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Paul Goble: “Russian national identity is the weakest in Eurasia”

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Paul Goble: “Russian national identity is the weakest in Eurasia”

Washington political analyst Paul Gobl, the author of the blog Window on Eurasia, shared with the Russian service of Voice of America an analysis of the processes taking place in Russia and assessed American-Russian relations.


Fatima Tlisova: Diametrically opposite assessments of the state and prospects of US-Russian relations are heard on different sides of the Atlantic, and there are extreme pessimists here, but there are also extreme optimists. What do you think?



Paul Goble: I think we in the US are finally moving in the direction where Russia no longer occupies a central place in foreign policy. For a very long time, we lived in echoes of the Cold War, when the whole world revolved around what was happening in Washington and in Moscow and the development of relations between the United States and Russia.

Today there is a much more realistic assessment of Russia - as a regional power, but not as a global superpower, which it really is no longer. It also seems to me that now a clearer understanding has come that all our hopes of the beginning of 1990's are that Russia will become a democratic country, a free market country, where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure the share of all residents of the country in the incomes from the enormous natural riches - all these hopes are crossed out.

This does not mean that progress is impossible. The fact that the United States and Russia are now outside of the situation in which there were only two choices — either a new cold war, or absolute agreement and cooperation — means that we entered a period when cooperation in narrow spheres became more real. .

There are problems whose solution involves the interaction of the United States and Russia, but there are still problems in which such cooperation is absolutely impossible. Our relations at the new stage will be neither exclusively friendly nor exclusively hostile.

We can speak at close positions in solving the problem of piracy, but it’s hard to imagine that we cooperate in maintaining Europe’s dependence on Russian gas, simply because we have different interests in this area. It seems to me that in Washington, there is a growing understanding of this situation, and this is a healthy approach to identifying those areas where cooperation is beneficial to both parties.

F.Th .: Some analysts in the West, as well as in Russia, view the upcoming Olympic Games in Sochi in 2014 as part of the idea of ​​“reviving a great Russia”. What do you think about it?



PG: It has become absolutely obvious that the Sochi Olympics, which Vladimir Putin planned as a symbol and the highest achievement of his presidency, will most likely turn into his biggest failure. I say this not because some kind of violence will happen there, and not because I expect a broad world boycott - but based on the experience of the Games in other countries.

When you are planning an international event that attracts the attention of the whole world, people see not only what you are showing them, but also something that you would very much like to hide. The more closely the journalists of the world look at the situation around Sochi, the more ugly it manifests itself.

We learned about the slave status of migrant workers in Sochi. We have learned about massive corruption - although much has not even been built, these games have already become the most expensive stories - evidence that most of this money goes to the offshore accounts of Russian officials.

We saw the barbaric seizure of the snow leopard in Siberia - just so that Putin could pose for the cameras. We will see much more detailed reports that 150 years ago, Sochi became the site of the greatest genocide of the 19 century, which led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people and the expulsion of the Circassians from their native land to the Ottoman Empire.

No matter how hard Vladimir Putin’s propaganda machine is, it’s powerless to resist it — simply because it’s journalism — for objectivity, they will need to balance the Kremlin’s statements with reports that the Kremlin doesn’t want.

In the end, for the Western public, who knows almost nothing about the Caucasus and never heard of the Circassians, this strange word "Sochi" will get a face. Thanks to the history of the region, thanks to the behavior of Moscow officials and personally Vladimir Putin there, this face will be ugly. This will be a black mark for Vladimir Putin, perhaps even the impetus that will force more and more Russians to doubt the legitimacy of his presidency.

FT: The press in Russia is increasingly reporting manifestations of national intolerance, both from Russians and from representatives of other ethnic groups. How do you explain the surge of national identity, and what can this result in the future for such a multinational state as Russia?



PG: It seems to me that in order to understand the depth of this process, you need to look back at the history of the country, look at the reverse side of imperial thinking - over the centuries, the assertion of the superiority of the Russian nation occurred not through the prism of Russian identity, but through the ability to suppress other nations.

Now in Russia there is a visible weakening of the positions of ethnic Russians against the background of strengthening the positions of non-Russians. This is an objective process, due to many factors, including low birth rate among Russians and high birth rates among non-Russians, migration from the countries of Central Asia and the South Caucasus in the complex leading to a sharp drop in the percentage of ethnic Russians in the total population of Russia.

On this account, there are contradictory statistics, it seems to me that it would not be a mistake to say that now in Russia ethnic Russians do not exceed two thirds of the population. This is a dramatic drop compared to 1991 in the year when Russians made up 90 percent of the country's population. As a result, Russians feel themselves in danger, therefore the idea of ​​the “big Russian brother”, the state-forming mission of the Russian nation is just the flip side of the fears of the Russian people.

It seems to me that the fact that the Russians spend so much time in disputes about the “national idea” is not so much a reflection of the cultural style as a symptom of a serious social disease, a dangerous disease, because if the Russians don’t manage to accept the loss of the empire, they risk becoming in international rogue.

F.Th .: It is believed that the policy of centralization of power pursued by the Kremlin negates the idea of ​​federalism or regionalism in Russia. How do you think the concentration of resources in Moscow is effective in controlling the provinces?



PG: When you observe the processes in Russia from a remote position, the unexpected growth of regionalism within the Russian Federation is striking. Revival and strengthening of Siberian identity, Eastern identity, Pomeranian - in the North, Cossack - throughout the south of Russia. This identity revolution reflects two important trends and points to a third.

First, this is a reflection of the fact that, contrary to the beliefs of most people, the Russian national identity is the weakest in Eurasia. Self-identification, for example, among Avars, Armenians or Ukrainians is much stronger than among Russians. In many ways, the Russians turned out to be the main victims of the state named after them. They were allowed to govern, but only at the cost of abandoning their own development as a nation. As a result, fragmentation occurs.

Geography and poor management are also contributing. You cannot drive by car from one end of the country to the other, because there are no normal highways, the railways are rusting, most airlines are squeezed out of business and are no longer functioning - huge parts of the country are isolated from each other. As a result, regional alliances are formed. The same type of regionalism that was brutally suppressed by Boris Yeltsin in the middle of the 1990s is being reanimated.

Combining and restraining the growth of regionalism and sub-ethnic Russian nationalism will be a serious challenge for the center. In the medium and long term, the growth of Russian sub-ethnic nationalism is a much more serious threat to Moscow’s ability to control the situation than any other “non-Russian” national movement.

F.Th .: The picture of threats described by you differs from the more popular one - the North Caucasus is considered to be the most dangerous and uncontrolled region of Russia. What are your estimates and predictions of achieving stability?



PG: There are two views on the North Caucasus. According to one, the North Caucasus is a collection of different nations, each of which pursues its own interests and goals. According to another, nationalism has been supplanted by Islam, Islam is the only glue capable of keeping the region from collapsing, Islam is also a threat equivalent to terrorism. I am convinced that, contrary to popular belief, Islamism has not taken such deep roots in the North Caucasus as many people think. One of the reasons why Moscow speaks so much about Islamism in the Caucasus is an attempt to justify any degree of repression that the Russian government uses there.

In my opinion, in the North Caucasus, there is a revival of the leading role of ethno-separatist ideas, I am convinced that we are witnessing the construction of national proto-states, potential states. The repressive policy of the Russian government does not work, because it does not have sufficient resources to carry out repressions of such a level and for such a long period of time to achieve final pacification, they do not have sufficient resources to bribe the entire population of the Caucasus. Therefore, Vladimir Putin made a bid to bribe the elites, hoping to achieve complete silence.

But on the example of Chechnya, we see that the result is not the one that Moscow thought about. For several years Chechnya has received unimaginable sums from Moscow, and today Chechnya is much more Islamized than in the entire history of its existence.

Speaking of stability, you need to remember that there are several of its varieties, and you need to know exactly what kind we are talking about. What about stability within individual republics? About stability within the region as a whole? Or about stability between the region and Moscow? I think that if the Russian government does not plan to spend significantly larger sums in the Caucasus and does not want to become smarter and more cautious in the use of force, relations between Moscow and the North Caucasus will become increasingly unstable.

And the question is not how many people go into the forest, the question is what kind of future do people in the North Caucasus want for themselves. According to my feelings, we will see a decline in violence and terrorist activity, but the region will increasingly move away from Moscow. We will also see the solidarity of the proto-states over the next decade.
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  1. Melchakov
    Melchakov 7 June 2013 15: 43 New
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    In general, the author outlined his illusions, thoughts and dreams about Russia.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 7 June 2013 18: 56 New
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      awakening will be terrible wassat
      1. aleksandroff
        aleksandroff 7 June 2013 22: 32 New
        +9
        damn, how can you talk about something you don’t know, and he (they) generally don’t know Russians and Russia.
        1. Babon
          Babon 7 June 2013 22: 48 New
          +4
          Yes, their mentality is completely different, they don’t understand much that other nations have different historical traditions, they look at everyone from their bell tower, in general it’s an Anglo-Saxon feature, that they are right, they can not only argue against Russians that way, they are ready for everyone teach, "how to"
        2. igordok
          igordok 7 June 2013 23: 53 New
          +6
          Quote: aleksandroff
          damn, how can you talk about something you don’t know, and he (they) apparently don’t know Russians and Russia at all.

          And at the same time, they are absolutely sure that they know Russia and Russians better than us.
        3. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 8 June 2013 10: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: aleksandroff
          damn, how can you talk about something you don’t know, and he (they) generally don’t know Russians and Russia.

          And they don’t want to know anything, they have Hollywood, he shows them everything.
          I don’t remember the name of the series, about some kind of Yankesian miracle helicopter, it went on television in the 90s. There is such a plot:
          Russian soldiers arrive on an island in the Pacific Ocean, make a fire, take a bottle of vodka from their overcoat pockets, drink from their throats and in their ridiculous earflaps with dangling ears, felt boots and long cavalry overcoats, begin to dance in a squat around the fire under the balalaika.
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 7 June 2013 23: 54 New
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        Quote: Ruslan67
        awakening will be terrible


        all our hopes of the beginning of the 1990s that Russia will become a democratic country - all these hopes are crossed out.

        It’s hard to live when hopes are crossed out ... laughing

        Today there is a much more realistic assessment of Russia - as a regional power, but not as a global superpower, which it really is no longer.

        Dream, dream ... wink

        This will become a black mark for Vladimir Putin, perhaps even the very push that will make more and more Russians doubt the legitimacy of his presidency.

        This is not even a dream, but schizophrenia with an obsession ... lol

        over the centuries, the assertion of the superiority of the Russian nation did not occur through the prism of Russian identity, but through the ability to suppress other nations.

        What is called, "from a sore head to a healthy one." wassat What about suppressing Native Americans?

        I think it would not be a mistake to say that now in Russia ethnic Russians do not exceed two thirds of the population.

        When it seems, you need to be baptized!

        railways rust

        laughing No comments...

        One of the reasons why Moscow speaks so much about Islamism in the Caucasus is an attempt to justify any degree of repression that the Russian government is applying there.

        And why does the US talk so much about chemical weapons?

        We will also see the solidification of proto-states over the next decade.

        Thinking of living another 10 years? belay Well, well ... Let's see ... wink

        Article minus. Uncle pompous turkey, wishful thinking. However, dreaming is not harmful. Whatever the child was amusing, if only he could not fight ...
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 7 June 2013 19: 23 New
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      Quote: Melchakov
      In general, the author outlined his illusions, thoughts and dreams about Russia.
      - and it deserves your plus to this vyser?
      "Today there is a much more realistic assessment of Russia - as a regional power, but not as a global superpower, which it really is no longer."- America’s localization is also just around the corner. Will they try to settle this by fomenting a great war? They will grab an incredible grief. It turned out to be kindled twice, they would be burned for the third time. So instead of gloating, let them deal with their problems.
      "It seems to me that the fact that the Russians spend so much time in disputes about the “national idea” is not so much a reflection of the cultural style as a symptom of a serious social disease, a dangerous disease, because if the Russians don’t manage to accept the loss of the empire, they risk becoming in international rogue."- it seems - be baptized. Translated into Russian, this quote sounds like this:" Russians, the place of the empire is occupied, and is occupied by us. And if you still dream of an empire - you risk becoming international outcasts, we will provide it. "But it doesn’t explain how they will drive Russia into outcasts. Is there a lot of gas in Europe? Or is military power going wild? Contact Syria with a tiny piss if they give them a little better weapons, what the hell is Russia? I think the Russians need to intensify the onslaught towards the empire, since it scares them so much that they scare them with "outcasts." DPRK, Venezuela, Iran, Syria and others go in "outcasts" and nothing, they live. Iran also manages to develop in scientific and technical terms. And the DPRK does not stand still. And the standard of living? And what is the standard of living? Sausage is the meaning of life? Well, let amers leave this meaning to themselves, we already see supermarkets , which doesn’t add happiness to the post-Soviet brow, but to realize that your country’s place is in the backyards, where even for SABZ it should take the place of those who for unknown reasons called themselves the main ones in this world is really hard. sausages, it turns out, is much easier, sausage - it’s just sausage. But to be the first in important areas, whether in space exploration, in science, in sports and others, even if at the same time you don’t have sausages, chewing gum, jeans - that’s really worth something in this life. To be such a state that no matter where you come, all your state is known and respected, and enemies - let not respect, are so afraid to shake in the nerves - that’s what you need to fight for.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 7 June 2013 19: 37 New
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        Quote: aksakal
        and it deserves your plus to this vyser?

        What do you want from America’s head? An objective analysis of the situation? Well, if the author so wants to measure the degree of tension in terms of Russian identity, let him go to Military Review. I'm afraid he will fly out screaming "Russians are coming." smile
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 7 June 2013 20: 19 New
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          [quote = Uncle] let him go on Military Review. I'm afraid he will fly out screaming "Russians are coming."
          And what, Dmitry, you are right. We all differ in trifles, but we are united in the main thing, we are not indifferent to the fate of the Fatherland. And the differences are temporary and will soon be resolved, and then ALL THE WORLD WILL RISE IN THE POSITION OF A REGIONAL MORTGAGE with the cry "RUSSIAN GO."
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 7 June 2013 22: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Uncle
          I'm afraid he will fly out screaming "Russians are coming." smile

          Yes, it is reliably aware of several cases of such events, when high-ranking Amer warriors jumped out the window from the nth floor, with the cry, "Russians are coming!" Fatal. Their propaganda machine spares no one ... am
      2. Russian
        Russian 7 June 2013 19: 43 New
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        that all our hopes of the early 1990s that Russia would become a democratic country, a free market country, where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure a share of all residents of the country in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes were crossed out

        Hahah, yeah, yeah, noodles are good on ears! Incidentally, the Americans are good at doing it. Their real goal was to ruin and dismember Russia as much as possible.
        And about Chechnya, these s-u-to-and financed all these Mujahideen, who penetrated into the territory of Chechnya and there the water was balamuti. So they all went far and long!
        1. Grenader
          Grenader 7 June 2013 20: 54 New
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          When you observe processes in Russia from a remote position, the unexpected growth of regionalism within the Russian Federation is striking. The revival and strengthening of Siberian identity, Eastern identity, Pomeranian - in the North, Cossack - throughout the south of Russia. This revolution of identities reflects two important trends and points to a third.
          This is generally killed. How dreamed that p_i_n_d_o_s. He sleeps and sees how to take Russia apart. About Pomeranian people have recently been written here. So the customer of this provocation has appeared.
          1. old man54
            old man54 8 June 2013 02: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Grenader
            When you observe processes in Russia from a remote position, the unexpected growth of regionalism within the Russian Federation is striking. The revival and strengthening of Siberian identity, Eastern identity, Pomeranian - in the North, Cossack - throughout the south of Russia.
            This is generally killed. How dreamed that p_i_n_d_o_s. He sleeps and sees how to take Russia apart. About Pomeranian people have recently been written here. So the customer of this provocation has appeared.

            Well, not so wrong. you are either off topic or somewhat shortsighted, sorry. These processes are not critical, yet, but definitely have a place to be! I live in Siberia myself. And this is not the fault of the behavior and policies of the federal center regarding the periphery and its shameless spit on them and their interests! If the Kremlin does not seriously come to its senses, then these trends in Russia will only be aggravated, and the West and Zionism in their growth have nothing to do with it, our people are still not stupid for now, they are still left with their heads.
      3. lesnik340
        lesnik340 7 June 2013 20: 39 New
        +9
        I think America is deliberately heating up the situation in the world to look away from problems in the United States. Indeed, in America, the indigenous population is still being destroyed, racism is flourishing. America is trying to play on Russia's ambitions so that the main cash flows go to the arms race and the standard of living falls. I think what needs to be done, what needs to be done, and then whatever happens. And from their thoughts we will not be worse. Although maybe I'm wrong.
      4. Seryoga D.
        Seryoga D. 7 June 2013 21: 40 New
        +5
        Well done, I have the same opinion! How, after all, they were afraid of our homeland of the USSR, and what of the Russian Empire, that they always spoke and speak of us only from the worst side, as if we were subhuman, barbarians, damned communists who only think to occupy Geyropa and invade the country mattresses. soldier
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 June 2013 21: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: aksakal
        I think the Russians, on the contrary, need to intensify the onslaught towards the empire, since that’s how it scares them

        I agree to all 100% !!! With those who do not want the good, will be on the bad! Remember, gentlemen horseradiologists. This is a RUSSIAN approach. soldier
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 8 June 2013 00: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          With those who do not want the good, will be on the bad!

          As our foreman said: "You can’t? We will teach! Do not want? We will force!" This can also be attributed to the respect of Russia.
      6. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 June 2013 21: 52 New
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        Quote: aksakal
        Tiny pisses contacted Syria

        Recently I was in Abkhazia for work. I watched the local TV. So here, dear forum users, gentlemen of the Americans with their oh propaganda and climb there, trying to quarrel Abkhazians with Shapsugs. Abkhazians themselves said it on TV! It didn’t work in Sochi, now it’s important, they want to prepare a hot spot for the Olympics, p. Adly. Sorry, the normal words are over. In my opinion, it wouldn’t hurt our special services to create some kind of mess with the amers, so that they would be less distracted by us! am
    3. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 7 June 2013 19: 26 New
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      Set of cliches. I read and think when it’s about balalaika, there will be vodka and bears ...

      But, the fact that bitches and lawlessness are stealing from us is true.
      1. smile
        smile 7 June 2013 20: 51 New
        +5
        Sergey_K
        Well, they have this in bulk ... only those who yell - "and this is true" - they have few. And those who are aware of this, are fighting this quietly, without watering themselves with slop ...
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 7 June 2013 20: 52 New
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        Quote: Sergey_K

        But, the fact that bitches and lawlessness are stealing from us is true.

        They steal in the United States no less, it’s so familiar there that nobody pays attention for a long time, and there are no laws at all, there are some precedents in each state.
    4. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 7 June 2013 19: 50 New
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      And what could these sodomites have come up with? I read about the genocide and closed the article - as they say except for the mat, there are no words. Well, no one recalls the Indians to them - no, sir, the Indians are bad, they killed, robbed and raped, and the "Circassians" fled from "bloody Russia" to the "free democratic Ottoman Empire."

      By the way, someone heard about the new Levada Center research - in their opinion up to a third of Russians want to get out of the country - this is also from the same opera - they conducted surveys among Muscovites and are happy.
      1. Babon
        Babon 7 June 2013 20: 50 New
        +4
        So I, too, only endured to suppression, didn’t even read further, it’s interesting and what’s their development of the “Wild West”? Also a specialist for me, Russophobe - and it was necessary to write. They depart from the stereotypes of the Cold War, it is very noticeable on him how he moved away.
        1. fedorovith
          fedorovith 7 June 2013 21: 25 New
          +4
          They have development, we have suppression, well, he swallowed, choking, looked around, but no, there are still RUSSIANs, well, that made him sick ...
      2. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 7 June 2013 23: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Blackgrifon
        new research "Levada Center"

        “Levada Center” is practically an NGO, so I advise you to take its assessments with caution. There are still guys ... so that they don’t have a bottom or a tire.
    5. T-100
      T-100 7 June 2013 19: 56 New
      +4
      Karoche: blah blah blah, the result of the day is all x *** me !!!!
    6. alexkross83
      alexkross83 7 June 2013 20: 22 New
      +7
      How can a person who does not speak Russian, does not think Russian, say something about Russians? This is not an illusion; this is nonsense that the media are trying to impose on the average man. I think it was not necessary at all to publish the opinion of this dubious comrade in our media. To tell him simply: "Who are you? Come on bye."
    7. Orel
      Orel 7 June 2013 20: 37 New
      +6
      Quote: Melchakov
      In general, the author outlined his illusions, thoughts and dreams about Russia.


      Or perhaps he (like most Americans) does not know the story. He doesn’t know about how for over a thousand years our people have successfully resisted many troubles and many invaders. Moreover, the disasters in our country and the war were of such proportions that America never dreamed of. But we all survived and survived.
    8. starshina78
      starshina78 7 June 2013 20: 44 New
      +4
      Worse! Again, continuous Russophobia, and wishful thinking is given out!
    9. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 7 June 2013 20: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Melchakov
      In general, the author outlined his illusions, thoughts and dreams about Russia.

      Interestingly, he also believes that Korea is next to Finland? (this is from the book of M. Larney "The Fourth Vertebra")
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 7 June 2013 21: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: Corsair5912
        (this is from the book of M. Larney "The Fourth Vertebra")

        I also think that this nonsense is caused by cramped, not in size freshly acquired shoes laughing
    10. Deniska999
      Deniska999 7 June 2013 21: 03 New
      +2
      I have no words. But what to do, enemy.
    11. Nevsky
      Nevsky 7 June 2013 21: 10 New
      +2
      And can you somehow put a minus article? Can register under the left nickname? 8 traitors liked his interview. Here we have the rear guys angry
    12. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 June 2013 21: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Melchakov
      In general, the author outlined his illusions, thoughts and dreams about Russia.

      It is easy to understand such anti-Russian propagandists of NATO morality. No matter how good it is in Russia, and whatever happens, they will always seek out, exaggerate, trick, misinform. At the same time, a huge amount of their own stocks and crimes is hushed up. Peace warrior ideologists. And I think so, the more the squeal is heard from THAT SIDE, the more we squeeze them from the hatched bridgeheads. And it makes me happy hi
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 8 June 2013 00: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: GSH-18
        It is easy to understand such anti-Russian propagandists of NATO morality. No matter how good it is in Russia, and whatever happens, they will always seek out, exaggerate, trick, misinform.

        However, can you imagine how such propagandists "frolic" in America itself? What are they promoting about us simple amers? I’m even afraid to imagine ... belay
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 8 June 2013 00: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Atlon
          However, can you imagine how such propagandists "frolic" in America itself? What are they promoting about us simple amers? I’m even afraid to imagine ... belay

          Imagine not hard. The main list of negative "stamps" is announced in the article. I think if we, Russians, with such frenzy, knowledge of the matter, were driven into our heads by thoughts of our exceptionalism, a special mission in the world, and that there are enemies everywhere that encroach on us and everything ours, and that we urgently need to be saved the world (not forgetting about your own pocket lol ) We would probably have torn the whole world for a long time, like a Bobby rag! And the same states whined plaintively at the boot. May God be thankful that the Russians are a peace-loving people! But as the song says: we are peaceful people, but our armored train is always on the siding! So that hi
    13. Explosiver
      Explosiver 7 June 2013 22: 23 New
      +2
      The best weapon against the enemy (potential in this case) is his own ignorance and naivety wink
    14. vezunchik
      vezunchik 7 June 2013 22: 34 New
      +3
      these conversations have been conducted by our "friends" for over a thousand years. The mysterious "Russian soul" haunts the West - give, solder, bleed - Russia lives and plays a major role in the world! How many times have Russia been pulled into pieces but we are reuniting together both the Russians and Ukrainians and Belarusians and the Central Asian peoples and Caucasians!
      And all the speeches of Western politicians are like monologues from a crazy house ...
    15. cartridge
      cartridge 8 June 2013 00: 36 New
      +4

      7-minute video "The collapse of the American dream" "Military Secret" from 29.04.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX
      Why in the US every sixth citizen is now a beggar?
      Let the unimpressed Goble look and comment, and Russian people will deal with their problems themselves and without snotty advisers from across the ocean!
    16. shutyai
      shutyai 8 June 2013 02: 08 New
      +2
      Clearly noticed)))))))
    17. Maks111
      Maks111 8 June 2013 09: 06 New
      +1
      So impudently and cynically can be watered with shit only for Kon.cheny pin.dosovsky bureaucrats can. They imagined themselves to be rulers of the universe, now they think that they can download rights wherever they want and how much they want. Well, nothing Goebels once also chose a career as a Russophobe, and how it ended for him, everyone knows perfectly well.
  2. stranik72
    stranik72 7 June 2013 18: 56 New
    -18
    that Russia will become a country where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure a share of all the country's inhabitants in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes were crossed out.
    Ready to subscribe to every word.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 7 June 2013 19: 28 New
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      Quote: stranik72
      that Russia will become a country where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure a share of all the country's inhabitants in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes are crossed out ..after them I stopped reading

      and after these words I stopped reading with the words ... went "nafig" "boy"
      and immediately in the comments))))
    2. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 7 June 2013 19: 29 New
      +8
      In vain we minus. Here he is right, but there is an ancient method for a lie to pass, you need to mix it up with the truth. This comrade is kneading. A bit of truth and a lot of nonsense ...
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 7 June 2013 19: 55 New
        +9
        where the state would protect rights and freedoms their citizens

        What freedom do I still need? and you just need to know the rights and use them.
        and would provide a share of all residents country in income from vast natural wealth - all these hopes are crossed out.

        All the STAMP can be packed ... the client is ready ...
        I imagine ... with these words how many toad strangled ...
    3. smile
      smile 7 June 2013 20: 58 New
      +5
      stranik72
      Signing up with big words is easy ... it’s harder to think about why you are being attracted to a subscription company, how your signatures are used, etc. .... well, well, it's time to recognize, like you, non-thinking signatories, we have accumulated enough mass .. ... well, the topic of degradation was recently discussed here on the site .... congratulations! :)))
    4. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 7 June 2013 21: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: stranik72
      that Russia will become a country where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure a share of all the country's inhabitants in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes were crossed out.
      Ready to subscribe to every word.

      Only mentally retarded ignoramuses imagine that Russia has some enormous natural wealth that can be divided into all.
      All the riches of Russia were created not by nature, but by the hands of the Russian people during the Soviet era, the oligarchs only appropriated them.
      Not a single state in the world, except the USSR, could have explored and mastered the deposits of Siberia, and not a single nation except the Russian could have mined them.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 June 2013 21: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Corsair5912
        not a single nation but the Russian can get them.

        However, there are already those who want to profit (except for native oligarchs) ...
    5. Lynx
      Lynx 7 June 2013 22: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: stranik72
      that Russia will become a country where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure a share of all the country's inhabitants in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes were crossed out.
      Ready to subscribe to every word.

      You just do not forget that America is sleeping and sees how to take our natural wealth into their own hands, and send us to turn the screws on the oil and gas pipelines ourselves.

      In general, somewhere I already read that "the fate of Russia is already a foregone conclusion." The same eggs, only in profile. Brzezinski has a successor, not otherwise.
      Donkeys don’t understand, that we are not afraid of such speeches.

      Some kind of cheap and stupid provocation .. the whole article.
    6. poquello
      poquello 7 June 2013 23: 02 New
      +3
      "that Russia will become a country where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens"

      Russia now defends the rights and freedoms of its citizens and citizens of other countries.

      "and would provide a share of all the country's inhabitants in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes are crossed out."

      Well, why, we annex Qatar for supporting global terrorism and distribute shares of income to residents.
    7. Atlon
      Atlon 8 June 2013 00: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: stranik72
      that Russia will become a country where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure a share of all the country's inhabitants in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes were crossed out.

      It should be read like this: that Russia will become a country where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of our corporations and ensure the share of all US residents in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes are crossed out.

      These "comrades" spoke more honestly:

      Margaret Thatcher (former British Prime Minister): “Russians should be reduced to 15 million people serving wells and mines.”

      John Major (former Prime Minister of England): “... Russia's task after the loss of the Cold War is to provide resources for prosperous countries. But for this they need only fifty to sixty million people. "

      Madeleine Albright (former US Secretary of State):“Where is justice here if only one country owns such land as Siberia?”

      Condoleezza Rice (US Secretary of State):“Siberia is too big to belong to one state”

      Still have questions?
    8. dmb
      dmb 8 June 2013 22: 06 New
      +1
      Eco stuck you cons. Apparently in yesterday’s article, Leont'ev still told the truth, uniting patriots of crooks and thieves into one ruling group. "Patriots" from this group and stuck. Among them, of course, there are a lot of naive people (not naive people write not on VO, but on Forbes or EP), so I want to ask them, do you really think that Shuvalov, Sechin and Deripaska should have the share of social wealth that they have, Do you have the share you deserve? Amerikos is an enemy, there is no doubt about it. He simply skillfully uses the "achievements" of patriots, crooks and thieves, united in one party, under the leadership of the well-known Guarantor.
  3. Pacifist
    Pacifist 7 June 2013 19: 00 New
    +7
    It’s more like telling dreams of a stoned idealist that in his country there are all elephants, and in other monkeys ... in short, Mr. Paul Goble is another liberal quack who lives by the principle of "I don’t see logs in my eye, I find a moth in someone else's."
    1. smile
      smile 7 June 2013 21: 00 New
      +1
      Pacifist
      This is just because. that the author eats too much! :))) All honey around him has learned. so I’ve gotten into ours. :))))
  4. Rezun
    Rezun 7 June 2013 19: 03 New
    +8
    "I am tormented by vague doubts ..." (c) Brzezinski 2.0??
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 June 2013 20: 15 New
      +9
      Quote: Rezun
      "I am tormented by vague doubts ..." (c) Brzezinski 2.0 ???

      Zbigniew against the background of this blackberry looks like a decent gentleman ...
      And finally.
      The article is a logical continuation of the discussion of the morning article "We Saved Russia from Hitler" - a special thanks to the leadership of the site.
      Now we have been given the opinion of a LITERATURE and sufficient HIGH-RISING official. He (probably) can read and write. But he thinks as one-sidedly as his compatriots, comic book lovers.
      I feel sorry for this country, its inhabitants. With such "neo-Bolsheviks" in the leadership, this country is not a tenant.
  5. Savva30
    Savva30 7 June 2013 19: 10 New
    +4
    Whose cow would moo ... dermocrats
  6. alex13-61
    alex13-61 7 June 2013 19: 10 New
    11
    And what does he mumble about the genocide of the Circassians there? ... How many indigenous people of S. America were destroyed? ... Teachers ....
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 7 June 2013 19: 34 New
      13
      Quote: alex13-61
      And what does he mumble about the genocide of the Circassians there? ... How many indigenous people of S. America were destroyed? ... Teachers ....

      - About Circassians - more than 150 years ago. Indians were spread rot on black less than 110 years ago, and blacks were generally discriminated until very recently - Condoleezza Rice, still not old, remembers all these benches “only for whites”.
      Mlyn, tin, there really aren’t enough words already, about Sochi to mumble something about the Circassians, when they don’t look back at their ass, there are such logs in the eye themselves, but no, everyone is climbing over the specks in someone else's eye.
      Local Israeli comrades also do not notice their logs in their own eyes in the form of sterilization of Ethiopian Jewish repatriates (this is a shame so shame!), And in the form of persecution of the Israeli physicist Mainunu, and all the same - "Assad - a dictator!" Take care of your own logs! Fascist TOTAL AND AGGRESSIVE STATE - ISRAEL! And the STATES are exactly the same! How do you read the interview that the Israeli, that Yusovtsa - all about the same. Where do they write the text and who? Fat cats on Wall Street? Nude Nude. Fat cats will go unpunished in the event of a mess, a simple yusovskiy guy and a peasant from a kibbutz will disentangle these texts laughing
      1. smile
        smile 7 June 2013 21: 06 New
        +6
        Guys, the topic is closed - if the Circassian nobility, arsonized by the Turks to war with us, was punished by the fact that their troops were actually destroyed, then believed the Turks and drove their people to die from hunger and cold in the Turkish Empire - this is their business. what do we have to do with it?
      2. Dimy4
        Dimy4 7 June 2013 22: 01 New
        +3
        Yeah, he would have remembered how Vyatichi drove the Krivichi.
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 June 2013 22: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: aksakal
        a simple yusovy guy and a peasant from a kibbutz will disentangle these texts

        Definitely. And after that, "fat cats" will also earn political fat on their lives! It turns out that aggressive propaganda, national fragmentation, the breeding ground of the "fat cats" ... sad
  7. orff
    orff 7 June 2013 19: 12 New
    +5
    down with the American propagandists! demoralization of the portal. MINUS article
    1. Lynx
      Lynx 7 June 2013 23: 06 New
      +2
      We cannot be demoralized by this.
      Very similar to a stupid and clumsy provocation. As if an American schoolboy wrote that he thinks that we and the bears with balalaikas walk along the streets.
      I won’t be surprised that they have whole institutions for the development of plans for the destruction and tearing up of Russia, only they don’t get nichrome)
  8. Strashila
    Strashila 7 June 2013 19: 14 New
    +9
    It’s just that people officially announced the US policy towards Russia ... what grandmas are spent on, what the "opposition" is sharpened on. Imagine what the Americans had opportunities in the 90s ... and so it’s all worthlessly profound. And with their rat-henchmen in the 90s, Russia has long to disentangle.
    1. Lynx
      Lynx 7 June 2013 22: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      It’s just that people officially announced the US policy towards Russia ... what grandmas are spent on, what the "opposition" is sharpened on. Imagine what the Americans had opportunities in the 90s ... and so it’s all worthlessly profound. And with their rat-henchmen in the 90s, Russia has long to disentangle.

      It’s good that even now scientists. Another example of Libya, Syria before my eyes.
      The information war has long been going on all fronts. They decided to fight with torrents ... It would be better if they fought with "Putin," "Putin is guilty," and "poison the little ones," sometimes written from one IP.
      For a year now something has been sitting on some resource that offends Russia and the Russians with words that probably flow from the mouth of the author along with bile. And they can’t ban everything. But for all they did the minimum ban not for three days, but for three hours.
  9. BARKAS
    BARKAS 7 June 2013 19: 16 New
    +9
    As Comrade Chernomyrdin said, if it itches, then scratch Mr. Goble elsewhere wassat
  10. Sergey47
    Sergey47 7 June 2013 19: 27 New
    +2
    Well it is necessary. Here is dreaming this floor gap. If none of this is in sight, then we must come up with it and believe it ourselves. And what do you, gopota, steal less? And whose human rights do you see infringed? Swamp seams and LGBT perverts. Say thank you for not burning them at the stake, BECAUSE! And we will somehow deal with the Caucasus without you, and you, gopot, Goblin can only spit saliva. Your blacks and Arabs will destroy you. And as one character of the famous Soviet TV series used to say: "and you won’t get away with anything." Die id homosexual.
  11. jandjella
    jandjella 7 June 2013 19: 31 New
    +6
    In my deep conviction, the Americans are our eternal enemies. They are for the collapse of our country into regional centers. For the weakening of our state! In order to prevent our unity, they will in every way incite septratism in the regions. In unity is our strength. We interfered and weave their world hegemony. We cannot have anything in common with them! They will always work against us! To weaken and crush us.
    1. does it
      does it 8 June 2013 01: 01 New
      0
      Quote: jandjella
      In my deep conviction, the Americans are our eternal enemies. They are for the collapse of our country into regional centers. For the weakening of our state! In order to prevent our unity, they will in every way incite septratism in the regions.
  12. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 7 June 2013 19: 33 New
    +2
    Mr. Goble sees what he wants to see.
    Russia is the largest supplier of energy and weapons to the whole world; Russia has the ability to destroy the United States in a place with Mr. Goble
    in an hour, Russia has large territories and talented people, and Mr. Goble is trying to assure us hehe that WE ARE PAPASSES.
    Mister Goble and you would not go to three letters.
  13. Just Vasilich
    Just Vasilich 7 June 2013 19: 34 New
    +2
    Knock Knock! This is me, the postman Pechkin, brought an announcement on the site annual survey-2013 "Evaluation of state and political figures". Here is the link:

    http://topwar.ru/29025-anons-opros-ocenka-gosudarstvenno-politicheskih-deyateley
    -2013.html

    This is a repeat of last year’s survey, which had a wide response on the site. This year, the content of the survey has been significantly reduced and supplemented. Now the list of respondents (survey objects) is limited to only ten policies:
    1) Joseph Stalin
    2) Nikita Khrushchev
    3) Leonid Brezhnev
    4) Mikhail Gorbachev
    5) Boris Yeltsin
    6) Vladimir Putin
    7) Dmitry Medvedev
    8) Viktor Yanukovych
    9) Alexander Lukashenko
    10) Nursultan Nazarbayev

    To participate in the survey, you must submit an application in any form to the email address [email protected] In a reply message, survey participants receive an Excel questionnaire file, which must be returned in the completed form. until 20 June 2013.

    Mailbox [email protected] waiting for your applications!
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 7 June 2013 22: 26 New
      +1
      Vasilich, got it already. Stalin is the most gut! Gorbach with EBN is the most gentry! The rest are nothing. laughing
  14. Warrawar
    Warrawar 7 June 2013 19: 40 New
    +4
    It is necessary for home-grown “Eurasians” to say more often that “Russian is not a nationality, but a way of thinking” and invent fairy tales about the “brotherhood” of Eurasian nationalities and then the “Russian national identity” will be weaker and weaker until it disappears completely.
  15. rexby63
    rexby63 7 June 2013 19: 46 New
    +4
    The work of antiquity Zbignev lives and thrives. And after such interviews, gentlemen, the democrats are trying to convince us that "yes, who needs us"
    Bl.di!
  16. klavyr
    klavyr 7 June 2013 19: 48 New
    +3
    Yeah, we are far from Europeans with their same-sex marriages and all pedozoophilia
  17. Russ69
    Russ69 7 June 2013 19: 50 New
    +4
    Interestingly, he smoked weed when he gave the interview ... smile
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 June 2013 21: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Russ69
      It is interesting that he smoked weed when he gave the interview

      No, no .. They don’t smoke or drink. They already pins are not childish! wassat
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 7 June 2013 21: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      Interestingly, he smoked weed when he gave the interview ...

      I suspect that nothing !!! But he’ll smoky outsmart Brzezinski .... in the madhouse open day wassat
  18. George
    George 7 June 2013 19: 52 New
    +2
    The repressive policy of the Russian government does not work, because it does not have sufficient resources to carry out repressions of this level

    We have enough resources. We don’t have enough political will to make such decisions. Especially when the politicians who tidy up the military are pulled and beat, who, in turn, are pulled by foreign “colleagues”.
  19. Shaitan
    Shaitan 7 June 2013 19: 52 New
    13
    It seems to me that the fact that the Russians spend so much time in disputes about the “national idea” is not so much a reflection of the cultural style as a symptom of a serious social disease, a dangerous disease, because if the Russians don’t manage to accept the loss of the empire, they risk becoming in international rogue.

    The fact that the Russians do not want to just eat, cf..t, and hammer each other in the ass under the guise of tolerance for everyone ..am, but think about the question of why they were born into the white light, does not seem to suit the author at all, and that the country which over the past few centuries has not attacked or killed anyone simply because of national strategic interests, it must suddenly become an outcast and does not bother him either. In general, it is obvious that the author paid a damn.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 7 June 2013 20: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: Shaitan
      The fact that the Russians do not want to just eat, cf..t, and hammer each other in the ass under the guise of tolerance for everyone ..am, but think about the question of why they were born into the white light, does not seem to suit the author at all, and that the country which over the past few centuries has not attacked or killed anyone simply because of national strategic interests, it must suddenly become an outcast and does not bother him either. In general, it is obvious that the author paid a damn.

      And no one cares about justice. Russians are made outcasts because we are weakened. And the weaker we are, the more we will be denigrated and despised. Gradually, Russians will begin to abandon their identity, because they will be ashamed of their nationality. And in Russia there will be many new nationalities - Pomors, Ingermanlanders, protoukry, Siberians, Uraloids, Arkaimians, etc. etc., and then the country will break up into several dozen small but proud and independent states (of course, under the protectorate of the United States and the EU).
      And the only way to avoid such an unenviable scenario is to become strong, healthy and rich again, to establish life in the country, to increase the well-being of citizens - so that no one would show us to Europe and save and multiply the Russian people.
    2. nevopros
      nevopros 7 June 2013 20: 13 New
      +2
      Must "upset" - he analliteg. And he is confident in his knowledge. Among the same Yelsko-Harvard anallytega he will feel confident. However, the interweaving of some pulled out facts and emotions prompted by these "facts" is unsightly stupidity and stupidity. And in order to convict him of his own stupidity, it is necessary to operate with facts-parallels (as with us - and like you). And from anallitega all blown away analitic dust.
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 7 June 2013 20: 13 New
      14
      The title and content of the interview. Who we are Paul we know who gave the interview, we also know so why be surprised.
      Now directly about the essence of the interview.
      It should be borne in mind that Russia experienced stagnation during the Yeltsin era, well, it experienced shocks during the Gorbachev period. As a result of the actions of these politicians, Russia was essentially thrown back. It is no secret that it was precisely with the collapse of the USSR that Russia suffered. Other countries of the post-Soviet space, in comparison Russia suffered the least. The damage that Russia suffered in terms of scale was comparable only to the war. Any other state, simply put, could not stand such shocks, but Russia did.
      Russia as a state with a thousand-year history, survived in its history both turmoil and civil war. It survived in the first and second world war. The burden of both the first and second world war was borne by Russia again. It takes time to heal all those wounds. she suffered. In the process, I immediately recalled the saying, “Moscow wasn’t built right away either.” Russia is slowly but surely getting out of the situation where the grief of politicians drove it. So that Russia is louder and louder on the world stage, it says that gradually it recaptured over and over again It takes all those positions that were when they were lost. Yes, it’s hard and hard to break, as they say, do not build. I’m more than sure that the moment will come that the United States and other countries will have to reckon with Russia as in the old and recent times. There are all the opportunities and resources.
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 7 June 2013 23: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        the ron that was inflicted by Russia is comparable in scale

        Alas ... the damage that the country suffered during perestroika is many times greater than the damage during the Second World War. The country has never lost so many of its territories and such a population as in the late 80s and early 90s. Therefore, it is so painfully long and recovery is taking place. Which, by the way, is impeded in every way. And the Goble interview is a small drop of the same poison that poisoned the country in '85. I hope that most people have developed immunity to this poison. This is also evident from comments, including . Which can not but rejoice.
    4. does it
      does it 8 June 2013 01: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Shaitan
      In general, it is obvious that the author paid a damn.
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  21. GEO
    GEO 7 June 2013 20: 06 New
    +4
    The author of the article is an eccentric in capital letter M
  22. AnpeL
    AnpeL 7 June 2013 20: 08 New
    +5
    Paul Goble - another of the poofs (very modest characteristic) of which more than enough angry
  23. La hire
    La hire 7 June 2013 20: 13 New
    +2
    Voice of America? We pass by, gentlemen.
  24. My address
    My address 7 June 2013 20: 16 New
    +7
    If you do not like this, then in many ways we are doing the right thing.
    Pay attention, according to Goble, everything is bad with us, well, everything. But this can not be, if the state lives quite stably a considerable time. As a person with some experience in interacting with many different people, I see one explanation - much didn’t grow together with Gobl’s plow, it didn’t come true, and he hides his anger behind the accusations.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 7 June 2013 20: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: My address
      many things didn’t grow together at Goble’s pawn, they didn’t come true, and he hides his anger behind the accusations.

      The sexual partner did not give him at night, or vice versa - he was too rude and now it hurts to sit. wink Hence the anger in the whole world. And most likely, that he couldn’t see our successes, he’ll lose his job! The American establishment will make him an outcast. Therefore, he sings in the tune that it’s nice to hear his authorities! They meditate like that! laughing
  25. Russ69
    Russ69 7 June 2013 20: 21 New
    +6
    The verbal diarrhea of ​​some American "figures" is very reminiscent of the speech of Goebels, unless the tones are somewhat relaxed, but the message is the same.
  26. andrei332809
    andrei332809 7 June 2013 20: 28 New
    +1
    When you are planning an international event that attracts the attention of the whole world, people see not only what you are showing them, but also something that you would very much like to hide. The more closely the journalists of the world look at the situation around Sochi, the more ugly it manifests itself.

    Pin Dos analysts, as always, in their own way. but now we know for sure what the most independent Western journalists will write
  27. WIN969
    WIN969 7 June 2013 20: 29 New
    0
    Smelly Nazi!
  28. de klermon
    de klermon 7 June 2013 20: 36 New
    +1
    Goble? Goble ... Goble ... lin ... Goblin! They would be a tolerant same-sex couple with McCain would be ... On the whole - nothing surprising, it’s good that they have not switched to barking or hissing!
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 June 2013 22: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: de Klermon
      Goble? Goble ... Goble ... lin ... Goblin! They would be a tolerant same-sex couple with McCain would be ... On the whole - nothing surprising, it’s good that they have not switched to barking or hissing!

      There Brzezinski add-> normal Swedish family! laughing with Durdomovsky bias.
  29. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 7 June 2013 20: 37 New
    +1
    In general, the author outlined his illusions, thoughts and dreams about Russia.
    Unfortunately, not only thoughts. They are doing everything for this, regardless of whether Russia is tsarist, Soviet, or now. It’s good that even the law
    about foreign agents accepted.
  30. Shkval
    Shkval 7 June 2013 20: 39 New
    +1
    Oh cocksucker, Mr. Goblin, how this ugly-minded bastard is trying to reanimate the thoughts and desires of the entire Western company of ushlepok who tried to conquer us in every imaginable way in the history of Russia's existence, but he is silent that artificial America is bent on from a financially created meat grinder, not for mountains that day when America suddenly bends and spreads to 4-5 states. Well, why not live in peace with them, the Anglo-Saxon race always arranges blood flows around the world. The punishment is already knocking on you Mr. Goblin your mother ......
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 June 2013 00: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: ShkvaL
      The punishment is already knocking on you Mr. Goblin your mother ......

      Rather, inevitably stands on the threshold. How many rope do not curl ...
  31. Bezarius
    Bezarius 7 June 2013 20: 40 New
    +4
    They either slopoki or lie. Russia slipped just in the 90, to a regional power. Now we again begin to collect bit by bit the legacy of the USSR, and then they suddenly realized that everything was bad with us. No, it’s all bad there, but at least it’s stable with us, and in all areas of life we ​​have been for centuries :)
  32. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 7 June 2013 20: 46 New
    16
    We got acquainted with the opinion of the American, I will express my opinion, a resident of Russia. Paul Goble complains that 90's democracy has failed. With a shudder, I recall this "democracy". Russia is lagging behind the West in foreign policy, not having its own opinion. Domestically, US advisers created chaos. There is a looting of the economy. And this "guardian" of the Russian land laments that this process of "democratization" of Russia has been interrupted.
    Quote: 150 years ago Sochi became the site of the greatest genocide of the 19 century, which led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the expulsion of Circassians from their native land to the Ottoman Empire. Dear Sir, guardian of the Circassians, tell us how the Americans methodically destroyed the indigenous population of America. Who calculated how many Indians died at the hands of the conquerors? You Paul, find any reason to humiliate Russia. Only a neutral person can speak objectively about Russia. You are an enemy of Russia, therefore you cannot be trusted. How can one not believe the Voice of America, the mouthpiece of Russia's enemies!
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 June 2013 00: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Quote: 150 years ago, Sochi became the site of the greatest genocide of the 19th century, which led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the expulsion of the Circassians from their native land to the Ottoman Empire.

      laughing What other hundreds of thousands of Circassians! ??? They then did not exist in nature so much! A maximum of a few thousand. In addition, they were not expelled, but relocated with their own consent into the territory of the Krasnodar (now) territory and Adygea (notice, in a fertile agricultural region), having provided assistance! And only the most implacable and warlike were destroyed by the regular army (because of the danger of supporting a possible Turkish invasion). Such then were the times and customs (excuse me, shit democracy have not yet been invented) throughout the world and in Russia in particular.
      Now, let's compare the methods and numbers of exterminated Indians in Mr. Goble’s country. And it’s better if next time let “the voice of America” ask you to comment on the “truthful” ideologist of these facts. Moreover, the time is more recent, and occurred in a more civilized time in a more "civilized" country. hi
  33. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 7 June 2013 20: 46 New
    -1
    Everything can be perverted. And such Mr. form public opinion among those who are looking for Russia on the globe in Africa.
  34. Nevsky
    Nevsky 7 June 2013 20: 55 New
    +2
    And it seems to me that fear spoke in him ... But judge for yourself. Russia has not broken up, although in the 90s all this was already expected. The United States, on the contrary, is slowly, but stagnating, a debt of 17 trillion. dollars, war games do not work out in the Middle East, BRICS as opposed to the West lol
  35. satellite
    satellite 7 June 2013 20: 56 New
    -20
    the most interesting thing is if you gather all of you who comment, you won’t even shake hands with each other, or one Russian will look at the other with envy, that’s all the problem
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 June 2013 21: 08 New
      +9
      Quote: satelite
      you don’t even shake hands

      Well, nobody will definitely shake your hand ...
    2. Penachet
      Penachet 7 June 2013 21: 59 New
      0
      Damn, did you come here with a scuba gear, or not? How is the Gulf Stream not cold? Swim back buddy, well you am
    3. Seryoga D.
      Seryoga D. 7 June 2013 22: 00 New
      +5
      We, like all Russian people of Soviet education, not only shake hands with each other, we also drink, have a bite, talk heart to heart, sing songs, (such as: Tanks rumbled on the field ..., Only we with a horse ..., I’m walking along the scorched earth ... etc.) Well, of course we will beat you in the face, so you probably won’t drink or sing, and you will immediately see who the Cossack sent here. drinks
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 7 June 2013 23: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Seryoga D.
        drink, have a bite, talk heart to heart, sing songs,

        As one of my friends in her youth said, "Well, we’ll sing a little more and a song and then cry" ... Oh, they don’t know the Russian soul! They don’t know ... This is not given to them. And then we all are ours, we will find a common language, even if we are arguing now.
      2. satellite
        satellite 8 June 2013 11: 39 New
        -2
        YOU WOULD ONLY DRINK, CHILDREN EDUCATED IN THIS SPIRIT NOW REAP THE FRUITS "GIVE COLORING"
    4. Lynx
      Lynx 7 June 2013 22: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: satelite
      the most interesting thing is if you gather all of you who comment, you won’t even shake hands with each other, or one Russian will look at the other with envy, that’s all the problem

      After you get bogged down on sites where liberal SCAR reigns, or rather, is teeming with swelter, most visitors and commentators on this site want to not only shake hands tightly, but also want to hug and kiss them, because you know that these are normal men, patriots with traditional values, sober-minded and next to which shoulder to shoulder it’s not scary to go into battle and defend your country.
      So, "Akella missed." And not Akella, but Tobaccos.
      Go solve your problems. We can do it without you.
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 7 June 2013 23: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Lynx
        for you know that these are men, normal,

        Yes, and women, too, nothing ...
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 June 2013 22: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: satelite
      the most interesting thing is if you gather all of you who comment, you won’t even shake hands with each other, or one Russian will look at the other with envy

      I wonder where you got such confidence? Have you read the propaganda articles of Amer’s horseradiologists ?! belay laughing
    6. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 7 June 2013 23: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: satelite
      in Russian with envy will look at another in

      My dear, this is what a fright you so decided? Why would I envy anyone? Yes, and I do not advise you, a waste of time. You will not increase your envy and I will not lose it ... You have some kind of distorted look, don’t you? I’m afraid that they won’t understand you here.
  36. Nevsky
    Nevsky 7 June 2013 20: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: satelite
    the most interesting thing is if you gather all of you who comment, you won’t even shake hands with each other, or one Russian will look at the other with envy, that’s all the problem


    That's why we are looking for nat. Idea: Izborsk Club, Essence of Time, Trade Union of Russian Citizens.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 8 June 2013 00: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky
      That's why we are looking for nat. idea:

      And to be honest, this way of posing the question is somewhat surprising. Our national idea is simple as a rake. For me and those with whom I’ve talked in life, it sounds like I WOULD BE LIKE A COUNTRY !!!!! There will be a country alive (even if she’s sick), we’ll survive any sorrows, we will overcome any enemies ..... And in order for my country to live, we need to help her in everything, and if there are no forces left, then at least not to harm. The rest, I assure you, will follow .. ..... After all, why were you seduced by sweet speeches at 85? We don’t know how to lie, and now we believe. Now they have seen, we are scrubbing out on the sly .... And who can understand this over the hill so much effort and resources spent on the collapse, but it didn’t work !!! Everything seemed to be here! Here is a bit more for us khan. But it didn’t happen again ... And they will never understand why? And it’s good that they don’t understand ....
  37. aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 7 June 2013 20: 59 New
    +2
    Washington political analyst Paul Gobl, the author of the blog Window on Eurasia, shared with the Russian service of Voice of America an analysis of the processes taking place in Russia and assessed American-Russian relations.


    It is precisely from such irresponsible political scientists and analysts that the people, even in AI, are fleeing to alternative channels. And in the world many nose from these clowns is already turning. Stink from them a mile away. Faithful go shit democrats! The flag is in your hands and .... ....! wassat
  38. cartridge
    cartridge 7 June 2013 21: 06 New
    +6
    Only fools believe in American fables!
  39. Nevsky
    Nevsky 7 June 2013 21: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: satelite
    the most interesting thing is if you gather all of you who comment, you won’t even shake hands with each other, or one Russian will look at the other with envy, that’s all the problem


    Are you probably a representative of a national minority? Rejoice in vain. If the Russians do not become like a connecting canvas, you will be crushed by the "civilized" ones in your dwarf, non-independent republics like this:

    Once this people and the whole country were under the protection of the Red Russians and people of Russian (Soviet) thinking, and here is the result, in their native streets:

    1. satellite
      satellite 8 June 2013 11: 42 New
      -3
      Yes, you will succumb to everything, a “connecting drinker link.” You are not tired of the empty trepidation.
  40. Nevsky
    Nevsky 7 June 2013 21: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: Grenader
    When you observe processes in Russia from a remote position, the unexpected growth of regionalism within the Russian Federation is striking. The revival and strengthening of Siberian identity, Eastern identity, Pomeranian - in the North, Cossack - throughout the south of Russia. This revolution of identities reflects two important trends and points to a third.


    This is generally killed. How dreamed that p_i_n_d_o_s. He sleeps and sees how to take Russia apart. About Pomeranian people have recently been written here. So the customer of this provocation has appeared.


    STOP! ATTENTION! NOT IN THE EYEBROW, AND IN THE EYE !!!

    Pay attention, for the Pomors, nobody has really heard ... and this political mattress, yes. In fact, Pomors, this is the level of school essays of the lesson of the native land. Grenader Good job! Had seen!!! How much has passed, 2 weeks after publication for the Pomors military review?
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 7 June 2013 22: 49 New
      +1
      This is not a joke. The Americans are pulling the railroad to Alaska. Then they will dig a tunnel through the Bering Strait and extend a branch to the Trans-Siberian Railway. This means that they plan to occupy the raw material regions of Russia. The occupation will take place in approximately the same scenario as in 1918-1923. Marines will land in Arkhangelsk, Vladivostok, Kamchatka under the guise of uprisings of "Pomors", "Buryats", "Circassians". At the same time, they form new states like the FER. The local population is genocidal. The occupation of the raw material regions of Russia will make it possible to control developing China. This is how this Paul Goble reveals to us the details of US policy towards Russia.
      1. poquello
        poquello 7 June 2013 23: 18 New
        +2
        "This is no laughing matter. The Americans are pulling the railway to Alaska. Then they will dig a tunnel through the Bering Strait and stretch a branch to the Trans-Siberian Railway. This means that they plan to occupy the raw material regions of Russia. The occupation will take place according to the same scenario as in 1918- 1923 "

        let them pull, it will be easier to deliver PLA to them
      2. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 8 June 2013 00: 13 New
        0
        Quote: sergey261180
        The occupation will take place in approximately the same scenario,

        And how did it all end? I hope they also have not forgotten how sugar is poured in our village?
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 8 June 2013 00: 28 New
          0
          30 million corpses, and an ice ax on the head of their troll.
      3. family
        family tree 8 June 2013 00: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: sergey261180
        Marines will land in Arkhangelsk, Vladivostok, Kamchatka under the guise of uprisings of "Pomors", "Buryats", "Circassians".

        Wow! Right? We need to tell the peasants, oh, trophy! Will be them, the uprising of "Pomors", in Alaska itself good
  41. Lynx
    Lynx 7 June 2013 21: 28 New
    10
    I get shocked with anger when some feces is trying to say something about Russia in this vein, something is yapping about genocide, about slavery, about the suppression of other nations, and in general, her words appear in our media. Maybe he needs to be reminded how the United States imposes its will on the whole world, which arranged in Libya that not all US states have abolished the death penalty, while Russia was forced into a moratorium, maybe we should recall Guantanamo? Maybe it’s necessary to say how they “hunt” there for a cougar with crossbows in the fence or shoot from long-range rifles at partridges for one and a half kilometers, after which there is not even a wet place from the bird? As a representative of a nation dares, among which there are zombies who attack people and start to eat their face, among which the normal thing is to beat and kill adopted children, forget them in cars in the heat and feed them with psychotropic drugs so that they do not run, like all normal children , generally jail at us ???
    It all starts with the fact that this crazy riffraff is given the right to speak in our media, they listen, they discuss ... I can’t imagine the situation when our political scientist went there and began to print in their newspapers with at least some truth about them. At the same time, we communicate with them diplomatically, and similar high-ranking speakers, which I now comment on, are far from the diplomatic language.
    So the question is - how is this generally allowed? We do not allow a situation when an alcoholic comes to our apartment and begins to humiliate our family members. And it all starts with a small and seemingly insignificant.

    And now this nation dares to poke us with our nose in violation of human rights, into the slavish position of someone there and teach shit democracy.

    Take a pitchfork and dispel the illusions of this subhuman about our country.
  42. Jarserge
    Jarserge 7 June 2013 21: 38 New
    +3
    I wonder how ... I have long understood that a political scientist is a kind of beggars i.e. such a profession where they do not answer for anything, they grind the language .... akin to journalists and meteorologists. The funniest thing is that an American whose national identity is generally quite difficult to determine as everywhere and always with his narrow-minded brains is trying to learn Russian. For European identity, one does not have to speak from Switzerland to Spain only blacks (Euro-Africans) Arabs ..... Turks
  43. Lynx
    Lynx 7 June 2013 21: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: Grenader
    When you observe processes in Russia from a remote position, the unexpected growth of regionalism within the Russian Federation is striking. The revival and strengthening of Siberian identity, Eastern identity, Pomeranian - in the North, Cossack - throughout the south of Russia. This revolution of identities reflects two important trends and points to a third.
    This is generally killed. How dreamed that p_i_n_d_o_s. He sleeps and sees how to take Russia apart. About Pomeranian people have recently been written here. So the customer of this provocation has appeared

    Now it’s clear that Brzezinski hung on the ears of students in Rostov-on-Don.
    How he was generally allowed to go there, after all that he said and worked up ...
    There is no sense in all this military armament, Mistral, submarines, if it is unclear who can come to Russia at any time and get our people to secede from Russia ?!
    On one resource, the "Ukrainians" run into the Russians, then the "Russians" run into the Ukrainians. As a result, it turns out that these are neither the one nor the other, but simply a provocation aimed at introducing discord between the people of the two countries. But neither we nor the Ukrainians remember Bismarck’s words that the power of Russia can only be undermined by separating Ukraine from it, and, in general, by opposing Ukraine to Russia, and willingly peck ..
  44. Penachet
    Penachet 7 June 2013 21: 43 New
    +1
    Of course it's good to shout that amers, and we are the most, but ..! They, without washing, so skating, fundamentally changed our education. Now our children may well believe this Goal .. Paul .., in short, I don’t remember, dol .... this (the same applies to the article about the victory of the Mustache over Germany ) is that we are already almost in boots and with balalaikas, and we are destroying all the positive dynamics in the world, and that we need to fight already. And why should he, he worked his own babos, this one like him, Gan ... or something ? But we need not cheer, but think how to quickly remove our children and grandchildren from these Sneakers and Pepsi, and instill in them what is good and eternal, what we radically different from all. And for this it is necessary (I think so), first of all, send Livanov overseas, let him go home. Otherwise, we will get at the exit such a Fifth Column that it will not seem enough.
  45. Ilyas
    Ilyas 7 June 2013 21: 45 New
    +2
    And the most interesting thing is that then America shouts about the strengthening of anti-American sentiments. Pour Russia with lies and sloppies, lie completely unashamedly, insult, and then wait for us to love America?
    But in order to slander and drown in the garbage pit of the holy of holies of democracy - you do not need to invent anything, just tell the truth.

    Paul Goble, have you been together with McCain in Vietnam for 5,5 years in prison? Or maybe the mass hysteria of the fear of a nuclear strike in the USA of the 60s has forever changed something in your head? Fear of dying in the prime of life?

    A typical mouthpiece of the agitation industry of the USA, it has thousands of such opuses there: http://www.golos-ameriki.ru/content/dagestan/1676183.html

    Do we have something like that? You need to have something similar to this shithead called the voice of America. Only there you will not have to lie, but just tell the truth, and there will be a lot of people who want to tell the truth, and from all over the world!
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 June 2013 23: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Ilyas
      You need to have something similar to this shithead called the voice of America. Only there you will not have to lie, but just tell the truth, and there will be a lot of people who want to tell the truth, and from all over the world!

      Has already. And fortunately, it works very successfully! Satellite channel in English and other languages. RT (Rush Tudey) successfully wets the enemy in his own territory with his own weapons. yes
  46. Seryoga D.
    Seryoga D. 7 June 2013 21: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: stranik72
    that Russia will become a country where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure a share of all the country's inhabitants in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes were crossed out.
    Ready to subscribe to every word.


    What do you need here, mongrel sub-intakes? Go all to ... a forum of silver rain, as there are many gay people like you there !!!
  47. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 7 June 2013 21: 47 New
    +7
    ... that Russia will become a country where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure a share of all the country's inhabitants in income from enormous natural wealth - all these hopes are crossed out ...

    Amer "good cares" about Russia did everything to
    income from tremendous natural wealth
    handfuls of people settled in their pockets, followed by "immigration" of these incomes to the United States, and earlier, under the USSR, incomes in the form of free-of-charge medicine, education, apartments, and worthy pensions were distributed just to every citizen. My parents with a working experience of 20 and 25 years old had pensions of 120 + 12 (for continuous experience) = 132 rubles for each. In terms of the "rights and freedoms" of its "citizens - traitors to Russia", the same measures succeeded: under the USSR it was possible to complain about an official and measures were taken without any "human rights defenders. Now, under the protection of these" defenders "embezzlers and balamutes on a political scale, JOY OF AMEERS.
  48. Vladomir
    Vladomir 7 June 2013 21: 48 New
    +6
    A pure American-desirable propaganda outlook on events in Russia. Talking about Russian suppression of nations? Stupidity and stupidity! The Russians saved practically ALL of the nations and nationalities of Russia, assimilated them into a single Soviet family. Yes, when the USSR collapsed and the Russians weakened, other nations did not feel comfortable, and in search of their identities set off in search, reflection and action, maybe not always right and not always with thoughts about the general structure in Russia. But, the "childhood" disease of "leftism" is passing, and now ALL almost see themselves as part of a united and strong Russia. The policy of America, from the moment of its inception, is based on the actual suppression of the destruction of the indigenous peoples of America and everyone else around the world, which we see to this day. As they say with us, “whose cow would moo?”
  49. Nevsky
    Nevsky 7 June 2013 21: 52 New
    +3
    And why the administration of the site "Military Review" posted his interview in prime time in the evening? Check our reaction? Present mood? Wish so good night? what
  50. ed65b
    ed65b 7 June 2013 22: 00 New
    -1
    Today there is a much more realistic assessment of Russia - as a regional power, but not as a global superpower, which it really is no longer. It also seems to me that now a clearer understanding has come that all our hopes of the beginning of 1990's are that Russia will become a democratic country, a free market country, where the state would protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens and ensure the share of all residents of the country in the incomes from the enormous natural riches - all these hopes are crossed out.

    And all this is thanks to you. And there’s nothing to blame if the face is crooked.