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The Ministry of Defense is working on the creation of a light strike aircraft based on the Yak-130

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The Russian Defense Ministry is working on the creation of a promising light strike aircraft with more powerful engines on the basis of the Yak-130 training and combat aircraft, Colonel-General Alexander Zelin, adviser to the Russian defense minister, former Air Force commander, said.


As Zelin said at the 36 meeting of the Interstate Coordination Council for cooperation in the field of aircraft engine building, which took place in Zaporozhye on the basis of Motor Sich JSC, the creation of such an aircraft will require modernization of the standard AI-222-25 engine with an increase in its thrust to 3000 kg.

The combat-training aircraft of the new generation Yak-130 developed by OKB Yakovlev Designer was chosen as the base for basic and advanced training of pilots of the Russian Air Force. Yak-130 allows you to train pilots for Russian and foreign combat aircraft generation "4 +" and "5". State tests of the Yak-130 with weapons successfully completed in December 2009. Since February, 2010, the aircraft enters the Russian Air Force and successfully operated in training centers. The total combat load on the nine nodes of the external suspension of the aircraft can reach three tons.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 6 June 2013 13: 20 New
    15
    The Ministry of Defense is working on the creation of a light strike aircraft based on the Yak-130
    And why is it WORKING - CREATING NEEDS ...
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 June 2013 14: 36 New
      34
      I apologize for nothing. Well, so that everyone sees the news.

      Pentagon: Russian landing ships take S-300 to Syria



      The United States suspects that S-300 air defense systems are on board Russian ships sailing into the eastern Mediterranean, cnn reports citing an anonymous source in the Pentagon. It is reported that the ships a few days ago left the port in the Black Sea.

      According to an unnamed source in the US Department of Defense, American satellites tracked several containers on three landing ships. American intelligence agencies have found that modern weapons are on board. The Pentagon suggests that the ships also transport components of the S-300 missile systems, newsru.com reports.

      Last week, the Lebanese media broadcast the words of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad that Russian S-300 systems are already in Syria. However, it later emerged that the words of the Syrian leader were "misinterpreted." Representatives of the Russian authorities had to comment on the situation.

      Presidential Aide Yuri Ushakov said that arms deliveries to Syria will be carried out within the framework of the concluded contracts as the deadlines approach. According to him, Russia does not supply weapons that have fallen under international bans. In addition, the other day, Vladimir Putin said that the supply of S-300 Syria has not yet been carried out.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 6 June 2013 14: 47 New
        14
        They suspect and carry, as they say in Odessa 2 big differences.
      2. Army1
        Army1 6 June 2013 15: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        American satellites tracked several containers on three landing ships. US intelligence agencies found that modern weapons are on board

        Satellites are spies! Hmm ..........
      3. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 6 June 2013 15: 37 New
        13
        In principle, what matters to the Americans, Russia is fulfilling the previously signed contracts, but the amers are supplying bandits now for a small fraction, and if they have the mood, as they say, for peace, then no bastard will fly from the S-300 to bomb peaceful cities .
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 6 June 2013 19: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: AndreyAB
          In principle, what the hell are Americans

          Americans are considering a no-fly zone over Syria. Like Libya, where the not-fly zone means the possibility of bombing peaceful cities, and the S-300 can greatly reduce the capabilities of US aircraft or friends
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 6 June 2013 19: 27 New
            -9
            It is doubtful that in Syria there are currently peaceful cities
      4. Quiet
        Quiet 6 June 2013 18: 52 New
        +4
        The United States suspects that S-300 air defense systems are on board Russian ships sailing into the eastern Mediterranean.

        Russia suspects that the American government is completely down!

        We don’t care what the eggheads are still looking for nuclear weapons in Iraq !!!
      5. chaban13
        chaban13 6 June 2013 19: 05 New
        +2
        Interestingly, will the S-300 fit on the BDK? After all, this is a whole complex: not only launchers, but also a command post, loading machines, radar, etc.
        1. Pelican
          Pelican 6 June 2013 20: 09 New
          +1
          At three, just fit! : squeak:
      6. waisson
        waisson 6 June 2013 19: 19 New
        +2
        I will be glad that what I saw and read becomes reality
      7. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 6 June 2013 20: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: Sith Lord
        US suspects S-300 air defense systems aboard Russian ships sailing into the eastern Mediterranean

        Why didn’t they search the BDK?
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 6 June 2013 21: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Quote: Sith Lord
          US suspects S-300 air defense systems aboard Russian ships sailing into the eastern Mediterranean

          Why didn’t they search the BDK?

          Basmanny Court did not issue a search warrant)
      8. mirag2
        mirag2 6 June 2013 21: 17 New
        -3
        Dear! Yes, there are no S-300s or eh-300s there! And I am sure of this just as you are sure that they are there. this is not news, but transfusion from empty to empty ...
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 6 June 2013 21: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: mirag2
          Dear! Yes, there are no S-300s or eh-300s there! And I am sure of this just as you are sure that they are there. this is not news, but transfusion from empty to empty ...

          I also thought about it. East is a delicate matter...
      9. luka095
        luka095 6 June 2013 21: 56 New
        +2
        If driven - then everything is correct. You can't watch a warship ...
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 6 June 2013 14: 38 New
      10
      Quote: svp67
      And why is it WORKING - CREATING NEEDS ...

      Most likely, the Yak-130 reservation was created as a light shock, light multi-purpose combat, reconnaissance, jammer, deck trainer, etc. this is indicated by a set of weapons and cannon installations, missile launchers, corrected and conventional bombs are suspended from seven external nodes. Guided air-to-air missiles for short-range maneuverable combat R-73, R-60 - 2-4 pcs; B8M-1 blocks with S-8 unguided missiles - 2-4 pcs; bombs and RBK caliber up to 500 kg - 2-4 pcs; Cannon containers UPK-23-250 with 23mm cannons and 250 rounds of ammunition each - 2-4 pcs; NSPU-130 ventral cannon container with 23mm GSh-23L cannon and 110 rounds of ammunition
      1. Genry
        Genry 6 June 2013 19: 51 New
        +1
        So if you hit all the guns, he will fly tail first.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 6 June 2013 21: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Genry
          So if you hit all the guns, he will fly tail first.

          The keyword will fly))) And this is the main thing)))
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 23 New
          0
          with new Ukrainian motors ???? Nah, everything will be a bunch. :)
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 21 New
        0
        read "Technique-youth"! No. 4-5
      3. yurasumy
        yurasumy 7 June 2013 11: 52 New
        0
        I remember about a year ago, when the Chinese l-15 had already gone into production on this engine, on this site I was "fooled" for the "seditious" thought that Russia would also need such a sample. Then it all boiled down to the fact that they say let the stupid Chinese take these "underplanes" on "odvizhkas", but Russia does not need it. And it turned out like that. It turns out it is necessary. And the herd of rams obediently assent again. I get the impression that whatever "vomits" the Russian Defense Ministry will be categorically supported here. And when will we think?
        P.S. I understand that almost everyone here will not like this post, but justice demands. The fact that I'm being fooled now doesn't bother me.
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 6 June 2013 14: 48 New
      -11
      It is not necessary to develop rogue options, but to improve the Su-25.
      1. Joker
        Joker 6 June 2013 14: 52 New
        21
        Nishchebrodskaya aviation also needs to have, we have the Caucasus, what to drive there expensive planes, you can send YAK, cheaply and angrily.
        1. Shturmovik
          Shturmovik 6 June 2013 14: 59 New
          41
          I wonder how the Yak-130 would have looked))) A "Rook" flew in and sat down !!!!
          1. KAZAK67
            KAZAK67 6 June 2013 16: 29 New
            +1
            neither have completely different tasks.
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 7 June 2013 14: 06 New
            0
            My Yak-130 as a beast killed
            On the ground lies broken.
        2. Arberes
          Arberes 6 June 2013 15: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: Joker
          Beggar aviation also needs to have,

          I dare also speak out on this project.
          Maybe this version will be created purely for export ???
        3. Avenger711
          Avenger711 6 June 2013 15: 52 New
          0
          Watch for and turn off not that of MANPADS, or ZU-23-2, but with a machine gun.
          1. Joker
            Joker 6 June 2013 16: 10 New
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            Watch for and turn off not that of MANPADS, or ZU-23-2, but with a machine gun.

            The Americans have a thunderbolt flying and nothing, the main armament is good, the coordinates are thrown, and there it took off, threw the bomb and flew back, you don’t need to poke into the hell from them, it’s not baked and it’s better to destroy the specialists than a bomb gift throw, I think so.
            1. vadson
              vadson 6 June 2013 18: 35 New
              +2
              even in purely American tactics there is a sound grain ...
          2. Aljavad
            Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 35 New
            0
            Yes you, my friend, some kind of villain!
        4. Nitup
          Nitup 6 June 2013 20: 24 New
          0
          Beggar Aviation the Future
        5. aviator_IAS
          aviator_IAS 6 June 2013 21: 45 New
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          Quote: Joker
          Nishchebrodskaya aviation also needs to have, we have the Caucasus, what to drive there expensive planes, you can send YAK, cheaply and angrily.


          Avaricious always pays twice. It’s better to drive drones there. And the Yak-130 is not protected from MZA and MANPADS in any way. If you use this unit in the shock version, then only in some kind of backward Papuan.
          1. Joker
            Joker 6 June 2013 23: 28 New
            0
            Better to drive there.

            A drone such weapons will not pull, the weight of weapons on them is much more modest, and the shock drone still need to create.
          2. Aljavad
            Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 44 New
            0
            The design bureau has a UAV version based on "130"
            1. Joker
              Joker 7 June 2013 00: 06 New
              0
              The design bureau has a UAV version based on "130"

              It will be more expensive, besides, it is necessary to train our young pilots, here and give them the opportunity to bomb, too, what any experience.
        6. Avenger711
          Avenger711 7 June 2013 14: 05 New
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          Will you keep the wives of the dead pilots?
      2. TSOOBER
        TSOOBER 6 June 2013 17: 18 New
        +2
        I agree one hundred percent! SU-25 to bring to mind, controlled weapons and more! And the YAK is not cheap anyway, but the "improved" one is just so!
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 45 New
          0
          read "Technique-youth"! No. 4-5
      3. Genry
        Genry 6 June 2013 19: 55 New
        +5
        You, apparently, have already bought a PAK-FA, so the Yak-130 is rogue.
        And for the Su-25 you need a strip of 1200m, for the Yak-130 - 600m (roughly). Plus, the Yak does not require complicated maintenance (the pilot himself can enter and exit and stick the hose with kerosene into the tank).

        Finalization to the attack aircraft is possible. More powerful engines and titanium armor, automatic terrestrial target designation system and warning-evasion from defeat.
      4. wlad59
        wlad59 6 June 2013 21: 19 New
        -4
        Su-25 was produced in Georgia ... ((continue further?
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 6 June 2013 22: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: wlad59
          Su-25 was produced in Georgia ... ((continue further?


          But do not they produce them in Russia?

          Yak-130 is a combat training aircraft. Our aviation needs them, if only because the old training aircraft are already living out.
          PS: a number of countries (and not only the poor) use single Hawk as a light fighter and attack aircraft.
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 47 New
          0
          and in Ulan-Uda - spark. The second person in the attack aircraft is not superfluous.
      5. Aljavad
        Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 24 New
        0
        what did old Vinnie say? "Both. And you can des bread" So, what?
      6. Letterksi
        Letterksi 7 June 2013 09: 34 New
        0
        It is not for nothing that the MiG 29 and SU 27 exist for air combat, but for work on the ground, the Su 25 and Su 24. A combat training aircraft is nonsense. This is the same as overdosing. The plane can be training or combat, no other way. In 1993 (or 1992) I don't remember. Several so-called Chechen combat training aircraft L-29 attacked the Mi-24 federals, they managed to knock out one helicopter. But the crocodiles responded by overwhelming the training planes easily and without constraint. This speaks of the "unfinishedness" of training aircraft for real battles. Because the plane, anyway, should have an advantage over the helicopter. The training aircraft should be easy to control, not expensive, but combat-capable - to effectively carry out a combat mission. These requirements are conflicting.
        It is hard to imagine that the Yak-130 is capable of arranging a "carousel" in battle with a fighter, such as the f-16. In such a "battle" the Yak-130 with a weak radar (or even without) with a weak engine will be a "whipping ball".
        In short, for an air battle, such an aircraft will not work.
        To work on the ground, Su-25 type reservations and expensive reconnaissance equipment, such as those used in the 25s in Afghanistan, are also necessary, which are comparable in cost to the price of a Yak-130 plane. Do not install expensive equipment on an airplane that is not covered by armor and vulnerable to bullets from AK.
        In short, it turns out that a combat training aircraft, in terms of work on the ground, is only suitable for chasing the Papuans, who have only spears. and even then, such a Papuan can only be looked for "visually" without fancy equipment.

        It is not for nothing that the question arose about a "more powerful" engine for the Yak-130, because the characteristics of the training aircraft in all respects "do not reach" the combat aircraft. An attempt has been made to "hold out" at least some kind of combat use. But by such "pulling" you can get an unusable plane for training, since it will be very powerful, very complex and very expensive for a beginner

        In short, I would not want to fight on such an airplane; I do not want to be a victim of marketing. In the truest sense
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 June 2013 09: 46 New
          0
          Quote: LetterKsi
          A combat training aircraft is nonsense.

          Hawk Mk.1 - even on British aircraft carriers (aircraft carrier) is used as a combat.
          In other countries, he established himself as a good light attack aircraft.
          1. Letterksi
            Letterksi 7 June 2013 09: 57 New
            +1
            For what Britain has been doing for the past 50 years, chasing Papuans is quite suitable
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 June 2013 10: 01 New
              0
              Quote: LetterKsi
              Britain for the past 50 years, chasing the Papuans, is quite suitable

              Or maybe Russian aircraft of this type will be designed for alternative tasks? Not all the same, to reduce to combined arms combat.
              1. Letterksi
                Letterksi 7 June 2013 12: 15 New
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                Hawk Mk.1 - even on British aircraft carriers (aircraft carrier) is used as a combat.
                In other countries, he established himself as a good light attack aircraft.

                you are a victim of the media ...

                It seems to me that "even on British aircraft carriers ..." is the key phrase. The British, perhaps, would like to shove an A-10 attack aircraft there, but they cannot shove unpushable ones.
                But it is even more likely that the British use the aircraft not as a battlefield, but as a reconnaissance plane - visually admire the surrounding water areas, and consider traces of smoke on the horizon from the enemy’s ships or as a rescue vehicle. And as a combat-only to disperse the Papuans.

                I think that the Yak-130 as a combat aircraft is purely a plane for export to third world countries, where the main task is to keep our own population in obedience and cows in the meadow to graze.

                Well, judge for yourself. They will put a more powerful engine there, their combat radius will immediately fall, due to the fact that the fuel engine will eat more. Eating more fuel, then you need to hook the hanging tanks, if the tanks cling, then there is no place for weapons. Not a plane, but some kind of tachanka with NURSs.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 7 June 2013 13: 13 New
                  0
                  Quote: LetterKsi
                  They will put a more powerful engine there, their combat radius will immediately fall, due to the fact that the fuel engine will eat more.

                  Between AI 222 engines with a thrust of 2,5 and 2,8 tons, the difference in specific consumption is only 003. Therefore, this is not even taken into account. Let them cut back - all the same, it will fly further than the MiG-29 (like the MiG-2MLD). 2000 will fall to 1800 km (MiG-29-1500 km).
                  1. Letterksi
                    Letterksi 7 June 2013 14: 42 New
                    0
                    When the arguments end, the nit-picking of words begins and TTXmeasurement of a fighter with a training aircraft (snake with a hedgehog laughing)
    4. Quiet
      Quiet 6 June 2013 18: 45 New
      +1
      And why is it WORKING - CREATING NEEDS ...

      We are waiting for another Rust ??? lol
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 7 June 2013 14: 10 New
        0
        I think that even Rust would have shot the Su-35 with the OVT or fought for any time without slipping.
  2. Russian sniper
    Russian sniper 6 June 2013 13: 21 New
    +3
    Question, hi What for?
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 June 2013 13: 31 New
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      Quote: Russian Sniper
      The question is, why?

      The answer is that this type of "light combat aircraft" has very good prospects for export, not all of us "Su" and "Mig" are selling ... And such an aircraft is not superfluous for us as a "mobile option" ...
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 6 June 2013 13: 52 New
        +4
        svp67
        That's right Sergey! And call the new car "Terrorist's Nightmare"! hi
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 June 2013 13: 58 New
          +7
          Quote: sergo0000
          Terrorist Nightmare!


          Already then "PE" - "BLACK COAT" ...
      2. alexkross83
        alexkross83 6 June 2013 14: 18 New
        +9
        The Yak-130 is capable of solving local tactical tasks, so the decision was made not with the aim of selling for export, but with the goal of staffing front-line aviation, based on the prevailing conditions of local conflicts.
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 June 2013 14: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: alexkross83
          YAK -130 is capable of

          If we don’t do it, the Chinese will do it very quickly ...
          1. sergey158-29
            sergey158-29 6 June 2013 15: 14 New
            +4
            Quote: svp67

            If we don’t do it, the Chinese will do it very quickly ...


            In my opinion already done:
            http://topwar.ru/28877-ukraina-postavit-v-kitay-aviacionnye-dvigateli-na-57-mlrd
            -dollarov.html
          2. Gemar
            Gemar 6 June 2013 15: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            If we don’t do it, the Chinese will do it very quickly ...

            They already did. A prototype on a Chinese forum, also hung on the very "I do not want", has long flashed. Chinese patriots, in turn, are furiously demanding that the "national" development be put into operation.
            Design Bureau "Yakovleva" and "Motor Sich" long ago provided the assistance they needed in creating their "own" design. The engines are supplied by Motor Sich with an afterburner. Now, as the CPC assures, the needs of the world market for a light twin-engined two-seat generation 4+ fighter are being studied (as they are going to present it). Although, it seems to me, China is actually waiting for their spy network to provide data on the Yak-130 to make its own version. Russia has long studied this market for them. UB needs 2500. Light IBs are about 1500 (as the Chinese write).
            There is a photo of the training L-15, but the military ... damn it 百度 is not loaded, bummer.
            1. wlad59
              wlad59 6 June 2013 21: 22 New
              -2
              The Chinese L-15 is more likely a fighter, but they want to make an attack aircraft from the Yak-130, and this is not the same thing!
          3. Aljavad
            Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 51 New
            0
            And they are already releasing VERY similar supersonic L-15
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 6 June 2013 14: 42 New
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        The answer is that this type of "light combat aircraft" has very good export prospects.


        Then what kind of x is being asked. did Yakovlev’s firm help the Chinese in creating the clone of the Yak-130 UTS L-15? Here it will definitely go for export, do not hesitate
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 June 2013 14: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Vadivak
          Then what kind of x is asked. Yakovlev’s firm strongly helped the Chinese to create a clone of Yak-130 UTS L-15
          I honestly understand that our side is trying to support China's interest in allied relations in this way, but honestly sometimes our "openness to China" is simply amazing, but there must be some limit ...
        2. Akim
          Akim 6 June 2013 14: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: Vadivak
          did Yakovlev’s firm help the Chinese in creating the clone of the Yak-130 UTS L-15?

          All the same, the original is prettier.
          The Chinese delivered 12 cars to Africa and Latin America that year. This year wants another 20. According to a Chinese respondent Ice berg the price of one 10 million green.
        3. Aljavad
          Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 57 New
          0
          stupidly no grandmas anymore. For the same reason, they were friends with Italy. Now here they are offering M.346 at the same tenders. But the Italian is twice as expensive, with less bells and whistles, and a supersonic Chinese generally does not pull on TCB.
      4. apro
        apro 6 June 2013 14: 50 New
        +3
        An easy-to-operate strike aircraft with the possibility of basing outside airfields is ideal for local warfare, not all the same chasing drying. Not for nothing that the amers used the A-37 tsesna in Vietnam.
    2. alexkross83
      alexkross83 6 June 2013 14: 20 New
      +3
      Cheap and cheerful. That's why.
  3. Akim
    Akim 6 June 2013 13: 22 New
    +5
    M-346 with the same glider (but lighter) with engines of 2,8 tons each - goes to supersonic.
    1. mga04
      mga04 6 June 2013 14: 19 New
      +2
      To do this, he must have no more than 500 kg of fuel. And then this is in theory. There should be enough thrust, but how does a plane not designed for this behave when it comes to supersonic?
      1. Akim
        Akim 6 June 2013 14: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: mga04
        but how will a plane not designed for this behave when it comes to supersonic?

        He behaves normally. Read the pasta. The Chinese, too, did not greatly alter the glider and fly even at high speeds.
        1. zennon
          zennon 6 June 2013 16: 06 New
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          Quote: Akim

          He behaves normally. Read the pasta. The Chinese, too, did not greatly alter the glider and fly even at high speeds.

          There is no faith in pasta. They are trying to promote it. As for the official L-15, it is equipped with AI-222-25F, with afterburners. The general idea is sound. The machine is standing, screwdriver. Here we only need to reserve a cabin. When are we our engines will do?
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 59 New
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        and range and combat radius will decrease.
    2. viktorR
      viktorR 6 June 2013 15: 39 New
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      If the maximum speed of 1050 km / h doesn’t fail me, and even by 10 the speed of sound is about 000 km / h, I can hardly imagine this super sound, the maximum transonic.
      1. Akim
        Akim 6 June 2013 15: 50 New
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        Quote: viktorR
        If my memory serves me at its maximum speed of 1050 km / h,

        Does not change. I will not search for long (there are other sources). read the Italian WIKI 1255 km / h at maximum altitude.
        http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_Aermacchi_M-346_Master
        1. viktorR
          viktorR 6 June 2013 16: 33 New
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          They lie to the bourgeoisie), On the wiki, I myself wrote such a thing ... that Po-2 can enter the lunar orbit).
          Well, although it may have been dispersed with a dive angle of 45 degrees
          1. Akim
            Akim 6 June 2013 16: 46 New
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            Quote: viktorR
            They lie to the bourgeoisie), I write this on the wiki myself.

            Well, don't Believe Wiki here:
            http://digilander.libero.it/en_mezzi_militari/html/m346.html
            Mach he draws and Mach 1,2 in a dive. It's not about that. Glider allows. Engines are simply more powerful.
            1. viktorR
              viktorR 7 June 2013 17: 32 New
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              I don’t argue about the glider, it allows supersonic, the Chinese are flying and nothing. But the Italians still do not believe the advertising trick no more. There will be no benefit from such supersonic. Yes, and the hundred and thirty in this case, I think in a dive, too, can go to supersonic, but what's the point?)
              1. Akim
                Akim 7 June 2013 19: 12 New
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                Quote: viktorR
                . Yes, and the hundred and thirty in this case, I think in a dive, too, can go to supersonic,

                In the dive, I have no doubt. A cadets need supersonic in order to know what it is already in a familiar car. And then many already finish their studies in the army According to the engines are a little lighter and more powerful and he would have loudly declared supersonic.
  4. redwar6
    redwar6 6 June 2013 13: 23 New
    +1
    In principle, a good idea. At the front-line airfields, it’s quite convenient to keep. The supply of the 130th will be cheaper than Grach, I think. To support the infantry, probably a good car.
    1. Akim
      Akim 6 June 2013 13: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: redwar6
      130th will be cheaper than Rook, I think

      No one will refuse from the Su-25. This will probably become a fighter-bomber, which we successfully wrote off in the early 90s, and now many regret it.
      1. redwar6
        redwar6 6 June 2013 13: 39 New
        +1
        Yes, but I meant that he will guard the near approaches, rook will be enough for long distances.
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 6 June 2013 13: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: redwar6
      To support the infantry, probably a good car will be


      Without radar, without armor, and immediately to support the infantry? Have you decided to do a one-time airplane?
      1. redwar6
        redwar6 6 June 2013 14: 02 New
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        Well, firstly, it will be finalized, and secondly, I wrote "Probably"
        wink
      2. zennon
        zennon 6 June 2013 16: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Botanologist
        Quote: redwar6
        To support the infantry, probably a good car will be


        Without radar, without armor, and immediately to support the infantry? Have you decided to do a one-time airplane?

        Why without a radar? On Irkut, they plan to stick the Bars-130 radar.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 7 June 2013 00: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: zennon
          Why without a radar? On Irkut, they plan to stick the Bars-130 radar.


          And where are you going to stick it? He barely goes to Su, and you are wooing him to "fig" Yakovskaya request
          1. zennon
            zennon 7 June 2013 09: 49 New
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            laughing
            Quote: Botanologist
            Quote: zennon
            Why without a radar? On Irkut, they plan to stick the Bars-130 radar.


            And where are you going to stick it? He barely goes to Su, and you are wooing him to "fig" Yakovskaya request

            Well, not me, but Oleg Demchenko. Yakovlev Design Bureau. laughing
      3. Avenger711
        Avenger711 7 June 2013 14: 13 New
        0
        Yes sir. Only in fact it was rejected for obvious reasons for all little understanding of what weight in aviation is.
  5. Russ69
    Russ69 6 June 2013 13: 28 New
    +3
    Quote: redwar6
    In principle, a good idea. At the front-line airfields, it’s quite convenient to keep. The supply of the 130th will be cheaper than Grach, I think. To support the infantry, probably a good car.

    Reservation, he would then need, at least some.
    1. redwar6
      redwar6 6 June 2013 13: 29 New
      +1
      I agree, designers should already try.
    2. avt
      avt 6 June 2013 14: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Russ69
      Reservation, he would then need, at least some.

      laughing Or then do the Su-25 right away? For sale option, the very thing for those who Rook and a real attack aircraft can not afford to afford.
  6. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 6 June 2013 13: 35 New
    0
    And what is this above the right influx - the gap of the right air intake, like the MiG-29? Specialists, enlighten.
    1. urzul
      urzul 6 June 2013 14: 07 New
      +4
      It is clearly illustrated.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 6 June 2013 14: 30 New
        0
        Everything is clear with the MiG. I'm talking about a gap in the same place on the Yak-130.
        1. Shturmovik
          Shturmovik 6 June 2013 14: 34 New
          +5
          the upper entrance opens when the axial entrance is closed at the landing or take-off, to exclude the ingress of foreign objects from the runway
          1. urzul
            urzul 6 June 2013 14: 47 New
            +1
            See the scheme of work in the picture
        2. FunkschNNX
          FunkschNNX 6 June 2013 14: 40 New
          +4
          "Slots" behind the cockpit - open when the air intake is closed, so that debris does not linger on the ground. The "cracks in the tail" is the APU.
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 7 June 2013 00: 02 New
      0
      read "Technique-youth"! No. 4-5
  7. Vtel
    Vtel 6 June 2013 13: 38 New
    13
    The Yak-130 lost the recent tender of the Russian Air Force for a promising strike aircraft. According to a source in the Russian aviation industry, "the requirements in the first place for booking and defense systems were too high for a light aircraft." The tender won the project of a deep modernized Su-25 attack aircraft weighing 19,5 tons, which is almost two times higher than that of the Yak-130.

    However, Irkut continues to work on a single-seat combat modification of the aircraft, relying on export customers, as well as the fact that the Russian Air Force will also purchase a light attack aircraft. The single-seat modification Yak-130 received the Yak-133 index, previously the double Yak-131 and supersonic Yak-135 were previously known. The first prototype of the Yak-133 will be built in 2014. Changes in the glider will be minor, the rear pilot seat will be replaced with an additional fuel tank and other additional equipment. The FK-130 radar developed by Fazotron (the index will remain unchanged despite the modification) can be in the millimeter range for ground targets, a multifunctional 30-mm radar with a slot antenna, or a 30-mm radar with AFAR. These new sensors will allow the strike modification of the Yak-130 to use the X-31 anti-radar / anti-ship missile and the new Russian X-38 missile with various guidance options, as well as guided bombs. Air-to-air weapons will include R-77M medium-range missiles.
    1. tixon444
      tixon444 6 June 2013 13: 45 New
      +4
      What a handsome!
      1. Akim
        Akim 6 June 2013 13: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: tixon444
        What a handsome!

        One bad thing is the Italian.
        1. tixon444
          tixon444 6 June 2013 14: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          One bad thing is the Italian.


          The penny was also Italian, and nothing, very quickly Russified yes
          1. Akim
            Akim 6 June 2013 14: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: tixon444
            The penny was also Italian, and nothing, very quickly Russified

            Here the opposite is true. but about a "penny" ... I would not mind this option, but we are not Italians.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 6 June 2013 14: 43 New
              +3
              Quote: Akim
              . I would not mind this option,


              And what is this beauty?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 6 June 2013 14: 51 New
                +3
                Quote: Vadivak
                And what is this beauty?

                Vadim is a car, a convertible is called laughing black colour winked
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 6 June 2013 16: 01 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Vadim is a car, a convertible is called


                  Can't it really be with an internal combustion engine?
              2. Akim
                Akim 6 June 2013 15: 05 New
                +2
                Quote: Vadivak
                And what is this beauty?

                This is a Fiat 124 spider. Remember in Top Gear Clarkson about socialist cars said that it was a sports car from which we made a "penny". I then, too, could not gouge what he was talking about.
                http://auto.bigmir.net/video/1504971-Top-Gear-ezdit-na-sovetskih-avtomobiljah
                1. viktorR
                  viktorR 6 June 2013 15: 54 New
                  0
                  Clarkson probably beguiled fiat 124 spider and fiat 124 are like different machines) http://a2goos.com/fiat-124.html
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 6 June 2013 15: 59 New
                    +1
                    Quote: viktorR
                    fiat 124 spider and fiat 124 are like different cars

                    This is already an automotive theme, but inside they are the same. (Spider looks like our "three". I saw her at a retro exhibition and now I want one myself. It's not harmful to dream!
                2. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 6 June 2013 16: 07 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Akim
                  This is a Fiat 124 spider. Remember in Top Gear Clarkson about socialist cars said that it was a sports car from which we made a "penny".


                  Thank you, he’s only lying a penny, it’s a Fiat 124 Fiat, he’s often lying, especially when he pulled Niva out of the swamp with a rover, she would have passed there and had not noticed this puddle
                  1. tixon444
                    tixon444 6 June 2013 16: 41 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    Thank you, he’s only lying a penny, it’s a Fiat 124 Fiat, he’s often lying, especially when he pulled Niva out of the swamp with a rover, she would have passed there and had not noticed this puddle


                    And why be surprised, they have the whole nation like this, when it concerns us Russians, they will make white black.
            2. biglow
              biglow 6 June 2013 16: 43 New
              +1
              that in the picture it’s not a fiat coupe. Fiat coupe 124 looked like a 2101 Lada only without a roof and with 2 doors. In 90 years, sailors brought such a couple of times from landfills ... But the spider price is not proletarian at all ..
          2. Aljavad
            Aljavad 7 June 2013 00: 05 New
            0
            and this Italian is from the Russian DAD
            (well, type: WE are his mom .....)
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 7 June 2013 00: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Vtel
      These new sensors will allow the Yak-130 impact modification to use the X-31 anti-radar / anti-ship missile and the new Russian X-38 missile


      Not, if it is so direct, it’s only to the Caspian Sea - to drive poachers. In the Far East, he will not reach the borders of the economic zone from X-38.
      I wrote above - a one-time plane is obtained.
  8. Darkheir
    Darkheir 6 June 2013 13: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: Russ69
    Booking, then he would need at least some

    Then you have to redo the entire 130-nickname, it is better to design something like the American "Thunderbolt"
    1. Artmark
      Artmark 6 June 2013 13: 54 New
      +1
      I completely agree with you, it’s better to create a new one. Yes, if you delve into the archives of the Design Bureau and maybe there is a suitable option since Soviet times hi
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus 6 June 2013 14: 45 New
        +1
        IL-102. Engines and electronics will be updated and cooler Thunderbolt will be.
  9. OlegYugan
    OlegYugan 6 June 2013 14: 06 New
    -2
    I think it’s time for aircraft manufacturers to switch to a capsule bailout system, of course, an armored one.
    Then questions on thrust-to-weight ratio will not go to the detriment of pilot safety.
  10. alexkross83
    alexkross83 6 June 2013 14: 12 New
    0
    Another good rational solution, which will allow us to resolve the issue of speedy manning of our troops with tactical aviation equipment.
    1. lazy
      lazy 6 June 2013 15: 49 New
      -2
      without armor it’s just a good target that even with Kalash will be shot down by 7,62mm
      1. alexkross83
        alexkross83 6 June 2013 15: 58 New
        0
        Sorry, dear, but your comment, apart from laughter, causes nothing ... you at least read the literature "Planes in the village" :-) :-) :-)
        1. lazy
          lazy 6 June 2013 16: 07 New
          +1
          Mi-8 and Mi-24 flew across the Caucasus, shelling out of 7,62 is all alive and healthy thank God, the Mi-8 has several penetrations of the hull and the intermediate gearbox is damaged (and it is seriously unknown what would have happened if it hadn’t been flying for 15 minutes and hour), which is interesting that even the Mi-24 had one penetration of the fuel tank. the task of the attack aircraft is to iron the ground, which means flying to the PMV and being bombarded, including from infantry small arms (or bandits) and without armor, he can’t do anything, but here we already have a good su-25
          1. alexkross83
            alexkross83 6 June 2013 18: 50 New
            +1
            Please indicate at least one fact when the attack aircraft was shot down with the help of AKM? In the first or second company or in South Ossetia, even at an extremely low altitude? You do not stand in the state design bureau (design bureau)? Just so zealously contribute to the development of a new modification of the aircraft. Or do you think they don’t know the performance characteristics of ground systems and weapons? Or do you know the% of staffing with SU 25 aircraft of our military units?
          2. alexkross83
            alexkross83 6 June 2013 21: 08 New
            0
            You, I look instead of facts, put the cons, so you’ll at least get it))) from this my real military rank will not decrease)) the kindergarten is just some kind of ... the most important thing is that you stop talking nonsense ... well, or rubbish nonsense .. however, as you like more))
            1. lazy
              lazy 8 June 2013 13: 18 New
              0
              You are talking about the Su-25, it is armored, and the Yak-130, which you call "Another good rational decision that will resolve the issue of the prompt acquisition of tactical aviation equipment for our troops." unarmored and therefore vulnerable if it is armored is to reinvent the wheel, instead of improving the good su-25, which really did not shoot down from small arms. and do not juggle.
  11. cartridge
    cartridge 6 June 2013 14: 13 New
    +5
    For air support of the Ground Forces in a full-fledged war, there is no better machine than the Su-25. But to drive bandyuk, for example, in the Caucasus mountains that do not have full air defense for this, the Yak-130 will be good, and perhaps even more profitable for the money will be the use of a screw machine such as the Brazilian Tukano light attack aircraft.
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 June 2013 14: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: cartridge
      and perhaps even more profitable for the money will be the use of a screw machine such as the Brazilian light Tukano attack aircraft.
      Or shock UAV ...
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 6 June 2013 14: 39 New
      +3
      There is a Yak-52B. True in the museum in a single copy. Such a low-cost attack aircraft with two cartridges for UB-32 NURSs. Drive Bandyukov - that’s it.
      Yak-52B - light attack aircraft, created by the Yakovlev Design Bureau on the basis of the Yak-52 training aircraft. The experience of military operations in Afghanistan indicated the need for the use of light maneuverable counterguerrilla attack aircraft in combat operations. One of the projects for creating such an aircraft was the Yakovlevsky Yak-52B (it was planned to assign it the designation Yak-54 in the case of mass production). The basis was taken cheap and reliable TCB Yak-52. Two pylons with suspended blocks UB-32 were installed on the plane. In this regard, it was necessary to strengthen the wings of the aircraft. The aircraft passed factory tests, but due to the fact that the military did not express interest in the aircraft, further work was stopped. The only version of the aircraft was transferred to the air museum in Monino.






      LTH:
      Modification of the Yak-52B
      Wingspan, m 9.30
      Length of aircraft, m 7.745
      Aircraft Height, m ​​2.70
      Wing area, m2 15.00
      Weight, kg
      empty 1100 aircraft
      maximum takeoff 1420
      Internal fuel, kg 100
      Engine type 1 PD VMKB (Veldeneev) M-14P
      Power, hp 1 x 360
      Maximum speed, km / h 250
      Cruising speed, km / h 212
      Practical range, km 450
      Practical ceiling, m 5800
      Crew, people 2
      Armament: 2 blocks UB-32
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 June 2013 14: 50 New
        +5
        Quote: Black Colonel
        There is a Yak-52B.

        and also An2, this one in general - not with bombs, so dust ... but everyone will get it lol
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 June 2013 15: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          as well as An2
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 7 June 2013 00: 12 New
          +1
          And from An-2 Viet Cong made Ganships and drove amers through the jungle.
    3. alexkross83
      alexkross83 6 June 2013 16: 06 New
      +3
      Tactical tasks do not include "chasing bandyuks through the mountains", and the re-equipment of the finished base, freed up due to the reduction of the training base, is always cheaper than buying junk abroad ... two Mistrals have already been bought ... they do not know which fleet shove. As I understand it to you, if only, whatever to write ... well, write the Internet is free, admins are not against incompetent comments.
    4. zennon
      zennon 6 June 2013 16: 20 New
      -1
      Quote: cartridge
      and perhaps even more profitable for the money will be the use of a screw machine such as the Brazilian light Tukano attack aircraft.

      Great idea! I think they will come to it. good
    5. Revolver
      Revolver 6 June 2013 18: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: cartridge
      the use of a screw machine such as the Brazilian light attack aircraft Tucano.

      Raise the drawings of IL-2, in the USSR, such things were required to be stored in the archive, and not in one copy. And if not, then it’s robust and restored by surviving aircraft. Put a theater instead of a piston dvigla, normal avionics. It can change the steel reservation to titanium, and the cockpit glazing for something newer and more bulletproof - but this must be calculated whether it is too expensive for money to save weight. No shooter needed. Change ShVAK to GSh-23. Suspend more modern rockets. The most that will drive in the mountains of dushmans.
      1. zennon
        zennon 6 June 2013 19: 12 New
        +1
        Revolver
        Well, of course! The idea is great. That's just not worth raising the old drawings. You need to build a modern car from scratch. But is there only a TVD engine of about 1500-1800 kW?
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 41 New
        +1
        Already in Korea, it’s not like IL-2, but IL-10M did not withstand air defense. Then Moscow refused the attack aircraft as a class.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 7 June 2013 04: 04 New
          0
          So after all, chasing dushmans is not to shout at Shilki. Or detach for PAK-FA bandits? Supersound and with smart rockets priced at Mercedes each?
      3. samoletil18
        samoletil18 28 December 2013 20: 36 New
        0
        change steel reservation to titanium,

        Do not. Even then, the IL-2 armor protection was good for today's modern aircraft. Technology then developed, be healthy.
  12. OlegYugan
    OlegYugan 6 June 2013 14: 15 New
    0
    alexkross83 I agree in terms of sealing the HOLES to the hole, but do not calm down on this - Need a new plane.
  13. Shturmovik
    Shturmovik 6 June 2013 14: 27 New
    +6
    And why did you not like the Su-25, a worthy plane! Why reinvent the wheel, start the production of the Su-25SM at the plant in Ulan-Uda, I would also put the Hephaestus equipment on it and there would be no price for it. A straight wing, a large number of suspension points, a wide range of weapons used. What does not suit you. And the Yak-130 will be brought to mind for a long time. Tell me where, besides Akhtubinsk, were they used for combat use?
    1. Nik One
      Nik One 6 June 2013 14: 45 New
      +1
      Single combat Yak-130 can be used anywhere from Africa to South America. The Su-25 is not affordable for everyone, so a relatively cheap multi-functional aircraft will be in demand.)
      1. Shturmovik
        Shturmovik 6 June 2013 14: 48 New
        +3
        I wonder where you got the data that the Yak-130 is cheaper than the Su-25 !!!!!!
  14. spirit
    spirit 6 June 2013 14: 39 New
    +1
    Yes, I understand why! Then, that everyone understands that NORMAL combat drones will come to us oh how soon!)))) Yes, and with the rare exception, we have conservatives, for whom 1 pilot in a helicopter or an uninhabited tower, is already DIVO !! So in our army, PEOPLE and again PEOPLE will be at the forefront of intelligence!
  15. Darkheir
    Darkheir 6 June 2013 14: 40 New
    -4
    Quote: Shturmovik
    And why did you not like the Su-25, a worthy plane! Why reinvent the wheel, start the production of the Su-25SM at the plant in Ulan-Uda, I would also put the Hephaestus equipment on it and there would be no price for it. A straight wing, a large number of suspension points, a wide range of weapons used. What does not suit you. And the Yak-130 will be brought to mind for a long time. Tell me where, besides Akhtubinsk, were they used for combat use?

    The classic is certainly good, but the SU-25 has already worked its way. It is time for new projects
    1. Shturmovik
      Shturmovik 6 June 2013 14: 46 New
      +3
      And what is the charm of this new project (Yak-130) for military operations? Unarmored cab, unprotected engines. In the event of a reservation, the alignment and weight characteristics will change, which will lead to a change in the thrust-weight ratio and, as a result, to a decrease in the combat load.
      1. Darkheir
        Darkheir 6 June 2013 14: 57 New
        0
        And I don’t say Yak.
      2. Shturmovik
        Shturmovik 6 June 2013 15: 03 New
        +4
        And here everything is thought out!
      3. Conepatus
        Conepatus 6 June 2013 15: 05 New
        +4
        The charm in squeezing the dough on a kind of fine-tuning to condition.
        The excuse that they do it for countries with a limited budget also does not hold water.
        If the country has a budget, then such a country cannot contain the Air Force from several types of combat aircraft. They buy one thing, as a rule, a fighter with a limited ability to work on ground targets. The Yak-130 as an attack aircraft is cheaper than $ 25 million, it doesn’t cost will. For that kind of money they’ll rather buy a Chinese fighter.
        Remember a black and white billion dollar tablet? It's the same story.
        IMHO.
  16. Marconi41
    Marconi41 6 June 2013 14: 40 New
    +8
    I think this idea is not very good for the domestic market. We have a cool Su-25 attack aircraft that will brush anyone you want and save the pilot’s life. And the Yak-130 is valuable to us only as a training machine. As for abroad - so please! If you have kamikaze pilots, then here is the Yak-133 for them.
  17. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 6 June 2013 14: 59 New
    0
    I think the idea is correct and timely ....
  18. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 June 2013 15: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Avenger711
    They suspect and carry, as they say in Odessa 2 big differences.

    Putin at the summit confirmed that in the near future the S-300 will be in Syria. Well done! spoke not bad not lebisil ..
  19. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 6 June 2013 15: 17 New
    +2
    If you make a stormtrooper out of 130, then there’s no use over the sound and an increase in traction is not necessary for this, but just for setting armor, and it is also possible to increase the range and payload. If you approach this competently, it will be an order of magnitude cheaper than creating a new one. Planer 130 is already sharpened for maneuvering near the ground with good characteristics.
  20. the polar
    the polar 6 June 2013 15: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: cartridge
    For air support of the Ground Forces in a full-fledged war, there is no better machine than the Su-25. But to drive bandyuk, for example, in the Caucasus mountains that do not have full air defense for this, the Yak-130 will be good, and perhaps even more profitable for the money will be the use of a screw machine such as the Brazilian Tukano light attack aircraft.

    To do this, there are attack helicopters that perfectly perform counterguerrilla missions
    1. zennon
      zennon 6 June 2013 16: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Polar

      To do this, there are attack helicopters that perfectly perform counterguerrilla missions

      They are expensive, they eat a lot. A turboprop attack aircraft will be much cheaper.
  21. Avenger711
    Avenger711 6 June 2013 16: 00 New
    +1
    http://topwar.ru/22901-uchebno-boevoy-samolet-vygodnoe-reshenie-ili-tragicheskay
    a-oshibka.html

    Great article showing why this project is at least dubious. If I like the same Gripen and Chinese FC-1 from fighters, then the attack aircraft have fundamentally different requirements for survival and combat load. I don’t see any reason to talk about how such a plane will affect the morale of pilots, at one time in Canada the very same F-5 was very painfully taken, although this car turned out to be very worthwhile.

    A much more interesting option would be a modern IL-2, which, due to fuel economy compared to jet engines, could carry a very decent reservation.
    1. Akim
      Akim 6 June 2013 16: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Avenger711
      A much more interesting option would be a modern IL-2,

      This is IL-102, but it was rejected.
      1. zennon
        zennon 6 June 2013 16: 30 New
        +1
        And what, would he be cheaper than a rook? And what would it cost to master in production?
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 6 June 2013 16: 51 New
          -1
          So the production of Su25 needs to be mastered. When the Union, Su25 in Georgia did. In Russia, it seems there is no production of Su25, only repair and modernization.
          1. zennon
            zennon 6 June 2013 17: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: Conepatus
            So the production of Su25 needs to be mastered. When the Union, Su25 in Georgia did. In Russia, it seems there is no production of Su25, only repair and modernization.

            The principal decision on the production of the modernized combat training Su-25UBM attack aircraft at the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant has been made, Vladimir Babak, general director of the Sukhoi Shturmoviki concern, told Interfax-AVN.
            "Upgraded Su-25UBM attack aircraft will be supplied to combat units in addition to the already operating Su-25UB," he told Interfax-AVN.
            The launch of the Su-25UBM is scheduled for next year, when two attack aircraft of this type should be built, V. Babak specified.
            "In the coming years, it is planned to gradually increase the production rate of the Su-25UBM," said the head of the concern.
            According to him, the Su-25UB aircraft "will be in service for another seven to ten years and retire as the resource is used up." But in general, this article of 2005 ...
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus 6 June 2013 17: 07 New
              +1
              That is, things are still there?
              1. zennon
                zennon 6 June 2013 17: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: Conepatus
                That is, things are still there?

                I honestly don’t know. With fanfare, the end of the State tests was announced in February 2011 ... request
                1. Genry
                  Genry 6 June 2013 19: 20 New
                  +2
                  Actually, the Su-39 (Su-25TM) is now relevant.
                  1. Shturmovik
                    Shturmovik 6 June 2013 19: 28 New
                    +4
                    I agree! To date, it is quite possible to restore the stocks for the Su-25UB at the plant in Ulan-Uda, and it will be possible to assemble Su-25T (TM) calmly. I didn’t have to fly them myself, but my comrades say that a quite decent airplane turned out. Leaving for flights with a longing I look at them
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 6 June 2013 20: 22 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Shturmovik
                      Leaving for flights with a longing I look at them


                      Do you remember this case with number 81?

                    2. VAF
                      VAF 6 June 2013 20: 41 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Shturmovik
                      I didn’t have to fly them myself, but my comrades say that a quite decent airplane turned out.


                      +++++! soldier good drinks

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                  3. Shturmovik
                    Shturmovik 6 June 2013 20: 18 New
                    +2
                    Not alone!!! 4 are in the parking lot, though they can really get up now 2
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 6 June 2013 20: 26 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Shturmovik
                      Not alone!!! 4 are in the parking lot, though they can really get up now 2


                      So I wrote that really "live" one, but you say the 4th? and which ones? 81, I saw, 83, I saw 85 I saw. And where is the 84th .. the greenest wink ? and you say 2 "live"? So mine was misinformed wink







                      1. Shturmovik
                        Shturmovik 6 June 2013 20: 59 New
                        +1
                        I’ll go to fly and see the side numbers. 2 had a resource on gliders (they seem to have already been written off), and 2 still in TU
  22. Makarov
    Makarov 6 June 2013 16: 31 New
    0
    you can increase it ... but why? there is an afterburner option, but to remake a good dviglo for no reason, and then 20 years to "bring" it, because initially it was not designed for this ... although theoretically it is more likely than not realistic ...
  23. harrymur
    harrymur 6 June 2013 17: 04 New
    +1
    in the light of local wars, and provided that the Sich engine increases dvig’s thrust, the project of a flying terrorist or rather an anti-terrorist based on the 130th has great prospects, everything that we and Yusa’s weapons are sold for strategies of the 3rd world is costly and who needs to spend money on shepherds, and here is the best option, in a good way to the project, to all Alaham akbar))
  24. abc_alex
    abc_alex 6 June 2013 17: 17 New
    +1
    I just do not understand, where does Motor Sich have to do with it? AI-222-25 for the Russian Air Force is produced in Moscow on "Salyut". In any case, Irkut supplies training vehicles for the RF Air Force with domestic engines.
    1. harrymur
      harrymur 6 June 2013 17: 31 New
      +1
      Of all the information that can be squeezed out on the Internet, Sichi has a backlog on a pyre to give out the result for the assault performance characteristics of the 130th assault, and to increase the reserve of traction to increase the airworthiness of the flyer
    2. Akim
      Akim 6 June 2013 17: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: abc_alex
      AI-222-25 for the Russian Air Force is produced in Moscow on "Salyut".

      The AI-222 series engines were developed by Ivchenko-Progress SE jointly with Motor Sich JSC in the late 90s. And "Salyut" simply releases it under license.
  25. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 6 June 2013 17: 24 New
    +1
    Unless, for sale in third world countries ...
    You must have armored attack aircraft and strike UAVs.
  26. gregor6549
    gregor6549 6 June 2013 18: 00 New
    +1
    There is no doubt that the 38 is a good light aircraft, but there are big doubts that a good light aircraft will turn out to be a good attack aircraft. Or it will cease to be easy, or they will hit the fuck in the first flight from small arms. At one time, SU25 was born in agony, which at 100% justified its purpose as a strike aircraft, and in this direction you need to step further, and not try to combine the incompatible. This in Latin America can still afford the luxury of chasing partisans and drug dealers on light aircraft with machine guns. And why is this for Russia? To fight drug trafficking from the southern republics?
    1. zennon
      zennon 6 June 2013 18: 16 New
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      Quote: gregor6549
      The fact that the Yak 38 is a good light aircraft no doubt

      Yak 38 ?! So after all, this is a "vertical" ... Old. The plant where it was produced was razed to the ground ...
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 8 June 2013 07: 52 New
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        Sorry, typo, of course YAK130. But the essence of my post does not change from this. At one time, the Germans made the light Alpha Jet attack aircraft in something similar to the YAK130. Then the Bundeswehr spat for a long time, realizing that the sense of such an attack aircraft over the battlefield was zero, if not minus, because to apply it to the earth will be all and sundry.
        And for the fight against drug trafficking, YAK130 is quite suitable in the form in which it is.
        And one more question. What nowhere else to put money? Indeed, each serious modification of an aircraft requires enormous expenditures both on the development of new equipment, and on its integration with existing aircraft systems, and finally on testing and certification of the suitability of a modified aircraft for flying under specified operating conditions. And these are not days, but months, if not years, of the work of large collectives.
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 7 June 2013 00: 24 New
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      and with drug trafficking too.
  27. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 6 June 2013 21: 24 New
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    SU-25 + modern devices on it is for RUSSIA. And on the Yak-130 spent a lot of denyuzhk
    therefore, it’s necessary to create something competitive or push it to the market. After all, we need a limited number of combat training, and the factory workers also want to eat.
  28. Idolum
    Idolum 6 June 2013 22: 03 New
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    It is necessary to do, a good export potential, not to mention its own need for such a machine.
  29. Algor73
    Algor73 6 June 2013 22: 05 New
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    A lot of aircraft are being developed, a lot of them are going into series. But units are truly successful. So it can be said about the Su-25, An-2, Su-27. The Yak-130 is just beginning its difficult path in conquering the world. What will be his share - we'll see. But the idea of ​​a light attack aircraft is pretty good, given the kind of war that is now arising.
  30. Andrey44
    Andrey44 6 June 2013 22: 09 New
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    Firstly, the President said that "the contract has not been fulfilled" - he is our diplomat (when necessary), and secondly, we would like our officers to sit at the control panels of these complexes (even tacitly, let us say that our "warriors" are lazy and have forgotten how to work, but we still have an elite). And then again the locals will ruin everything.
    Although it’s not good to wish this to anyone, Christianly, I would like to see on the Internet not how rockets slam fraternal Yugoslavia, but how their vultures burn in the air of fraternal Syria.
  31. Aljavad
    Aljavad 6 June 2013 23: 36 New
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    UBS "Magister" is still flying, newer ones - and even more so. In low-intensity conflicts, even Mi-35s become "superweapons". An example of this is Nicoragua. At one time, they smashed the Contras to shreds by our helicopters and returned the cars to their homeland. "In order not to violate the parity of forces in the region." And there in service then still "Mustangs" in Guatemala were. Hence: "Rook" is super. But not everywhere it is to the place and for the money. And there - even with MANPADS, even with AK - their business.
  32. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 June 2013 23: 51 New
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    hi not on the Yak-130, but very close. Here is a video from Syria. Missile and bomb strikes of the Syrian combat trainer aircraft L-39 "Albatross" on the positions of the SSA rebels. At 1:20 - shelling from anti-aircraft guns, at 1:40 - intensive shelling of anti-aircraft guns. IMHO, Question, and if the "rebels" would have MANPADS?My opinion is that this aircraft is primarily training.
  33. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 7 June 2013 01: 36 New
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    if there were mankind and rooks it would not be easy
  34. 120352
    120352 7 June 2013 01: 40 New
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    Yak-130 is rather weak in every respect. Like a flying simulator - it will do, but no more. Looks like something is not right and wrong with us, since we are going to remake training aircraft for combat aircraft.
  35. mpanichkin
    mpanichkin 7 June 2013 04: 46 New
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    yak-130 is a modern, promising Russian aircraft developed in the 21 century. Let me remind you that at the present time in the world there are very few salts developed precisely in the 21 century. Most of the ongoing projects are being debated in the 90 of the 20 century. The new aircraft are: American F-35, Russian YAK-130, Chinese G-20
  36. shinobi
    shinobi 7 June 2013 05: 38 New
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    An easy multi-purpose drummer in the army is already needed because the turntables do not always have enough time to reach the targets designated by special forces during counter-terrorist and small-format military operations. -130 is a wonderful car, but it would be worthwhile to create a light attack aircraft specially taking the same Su-25 as a basis. Yes, enriching the helicopter fleet with light vehicles is not bad
  37. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 7 June 2013 07: 29 New
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    Yak-130 is needed in the troops! If only our "valiant" carabiners did not start squandering the national treasure. Already mean little thoughts are spinning, from Africa to America, the sales market ... and it started. And then someone on the pocket, according to the well-known scheme.
    1. Letterksi
      Letterksi 7 June 2013 09: 53 New
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      He is needed not in the army, but in training. The troops need Su 35, MiG 29, Su 39, Su 34 and MiG 31
  38. Avenger711
    Avenger711 7 June 2013 14: 36 New
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    This news itself is a clear fake, and legs are growing from Ukraine. A variant of the attack aircraft based on the Yak-130 EMNIP was offered for a long time and was rejected. How it all went is not hard to imagine. Just a chain of questions, but add this, but this? As a result, the Yak-130 (4.6 tons) turns at best into the Gripen (7.1 tons) at worst in the F-16 (8-9 tons), if without armor, or into the Su-25 (10 tons), if with armor. That is, the aircraft will not have to be created on the basis of, but developed from scratch. Changing the Su-25 to a car with the same flight data makes no sense, obviously. If the machine is supposed to work with high-precision fuseys, then the MiG-35 is unambiguous, or the development of some MiG-37 on its basis (and the index in memory of two machines at once), how such a beast as the MiG was created on the basis of the MiG-23 -27 (about this and another not implemented project of the Soviet JSF).

    At present, our Air Force must be ready to tackle real combat missions in the absence of total superiority of ground forces over the enemy (within five days they only managed to reach parity) and surprise of an attack, when something will definitely go wrong. This guarantees heavy losses in aviation due to the need to meddle under the (P) air defense system. In such conditions, the survival rate of the vehicles should be maximum, it’s scary to even imagine what would have happened if in the “five-day” there were not “rooks”, but “cheap and angry light attack aircraft”, it is unlikely that then the damaged and later restored airfield.