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Large caliber sniper

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Over the last 20 years, large-caliber sniper rifles have become increasingly popular in armies and special forces around the world. About them today.


The modern Western doctrine of warfare is based on increasing the firepower of units. For infantry, this is expressed in producing as many shots as possible from an individual weapons by enemy per unit of time. In the XX century. This task was solved by equipping the troops with a semi-automatic and automatic weapon instead of a shop weapon. Light machine guns were widely used as a means of infantry support. However, the fighting showed that an almost ninefold increase in the rate of firing of an individual soldier’s weapon practically did not increase the effectiveness of the fire. In this situation, the best way to increase it is to use a small amount, in percentage terms, of shooters, snipers, who work directly to defeat enemy personnel. The experience of military operations has shown that effective sniper fire inflicts enormous damage on the enemy.

To solve the problems of sniper fire, foreign armies are equipped with sniper rifles chambered for 7,62x51 mm, 7,5x54 mm, 7,5x55 mm, .300, .222, .223, .243, .308, 6,5X55 mm.

Hecate II large-caliber sniper rifle shooting


However, combat experience shows that existing sniper rifles cannot provide solutions to a number of specific tasks, such as destroying long-term firing points, artillery and missile systems, radar stations, reconnaissance and command and control equipment, low-flying air targets, etc. 12,7 mm (.50) and higher.

Today, a number of large-caliber sniper rifles have been created, manufactured and put into service, among which the following are best known:
• М82А1, М82А mod.2, М82А2 bullpup, М90, М95 chambered for 12,7X99 mm (.50) by Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc. (USA);
• M87, M87R, M87ELR, M93 chambered for 12,7x99 mm (.50) from McMillan Brothers (USA)
• RC90 chambered for 12,7x99 mm (.50) by Robar Company (USA);
• 50 / 12 TSW, 50 / 12TS. 50 / 12TSW mod.2 chambered for 12,7x107 mm (RF) from Peregrine Industries (USA);
• model RA 500 chambered for 12,7x99 mm (.50) manufactured by Research Armament Industries (USA);
• Stopson / Erma Anthis II model chambered for 12,7x99 mm (.50) by Heckler & Koch and Mauser (Germany);
• Gepard M1 model chambered for mm 12,7x99 (.50) from Technik (Hungary).

Tactical and technical characteristics of these and some other large-caliber sniper rifles are presented in Table. 1.

Large-caliber sniper weapons can be divided into self-loading, magazine and single-shot.

Sniper rifle Hecate II caliber 12.7x99 mm (.50 Browning)


Self-loading rifles

The M82А1 sniper rifle is developed by Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc. (Murfieboro, Ten-Nesi) in 1982 and adopted by the US Army, Marine Corps, special forces units and anti-terrorism units.

Barrett M82A1


Automatic rifle operates due to the short stroke of the barrel. The barrel has longitudinal stiffeners, providing an additional surface for cooling. The weapon has a dual-chamber muzzle brake - a flame arrester, which reduces the recoil force by about 30%. Locking by turning the shutter. The recoil momentum is transmitted from the gate to the receiver through the original bolt carrier. The recoil spring and recoil absorber are located in the butt.

The rifle uses borrowed from .50 Browning М2НВ heavy machine gun magazine with a capacity of 10 cartridges and bipods.

For sniper shooting, experts recommend the use of 12,7x99 mm (.50) cartridges from Raufoss A / S (Norway), although it is possible to use cartridges intended for the 50 Browning М2НВ machine gun. The cost of one cartridge - 2 dollar.

The rifle can be used with a 10x telescopic sight of the MZ model from Leopold & Stevens or the M11 model from Swarovski, providing an effective firing range of up to 2000 m.

Barrett sniper rifle model M95 caliber 12.7x99 mm (.50 Browning)


The M82А1 mod.2 sniper rifle (USA) was developed on the basis of the M82А1 rifle and is its lightweight version. The main difference between М82А1 mod.2 and М82А1 is the design of the silencer manufactured by AWC System Techologies (Phoenix, Arizona) with 8 internal deflectors. The length of the muffler is 380 mm, width is 50 mm. The silencer allows you to reduce the energy of the shock wave by 60-70% and reduce the sound of the shot to the level of the sound when firing a pistol of the 5,6 caliber mm (.22).

The M82А2 Bullpup sniper rifle is designed for use in combat operations in cities and mountains. The main difference of the M82А2 rifle from the М82А1 is the presence of the front handle and the handle for transportation, the chrome finish of the bolt carrier and the anti-corrosion coating of the inside surface of the magazine. When firing, the rifle box rests partly on the shooter’s shoulder - this, according to the company's experts, makes it easier to hold when firing from a rifle without bipods or at high elevation angles, but this increases the tilting moment from the recoil force.

Large caliber sniper


The M87 and M87R sniper rifles were developed by McMillan Brothers (USA). Their automation operates due to the short stroke of the barrel. They are equipped with a muzzle brake-flame arrester and a sliding bolt and are used with a Leopold 10x or 16x optical sight.

The sniper rifle model .50 / 12 TSW was developed jointly by Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc. and Peregrine Industries (USA) and is designed to equip light infantry units of the US Armed Forces.

Automatic rifle works by the energy of powder gases. The weapon has a replaceable barrel with longitudinal ribs and a muzzle brake. Butt type bullpup equipped with a rubber butt pad. Replaceable magazine on 10 ammo mounted on the left side.

In the future, Peregrine Industries independently developed a version of the .50 / 12 TSW rifle for the Russian cartridge 12,7x107 mm. The new model differs from the basic version of the rifle only in the shape and size of the chamber. According to the company's specialists, the potential customers of this sample may be the states of the former social camp, where 12,7x107 cartridges are manufactured.

Shop rifles

The M500 sniper rifle was developed by Haskins and RAI (USA) under the 12,7x99 mm (.50) cartridge and is designed to equip a Marine corps.

The weapon is equipped with a sliding bolt and has a manual reload. It has a long heavy barrel with longitudinal ribs of rigidity and a two-chamber muzzle brake. To improve the accuracy of shooting the barrel is made floating. The rifle has a bipod.

The M90 Bullpup sniper rifle is developed by Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc. (USA) chambered for 12,7x99 mm (.50) based on the М82А1 rifle. It is equipped with a rotary bolt and a removable magazine with a capacity of five rounds. The use of the bullpup scheme made it possible to obtain a weapon with a total length of 990 mm and a barrel length 740 mm. For training snipers are used sports cartridges caliber 12,7 mm firms Dabco, Hornady, Thunderbird Cartridge Company.

The M88ELR sniper rifle was developed by McMillan Brothers (USA) on the basis of the M87 rifle and adopted by the Marine Corps in 1988.

The main difference between M88ELR and M87 is the presence of a folding stock.

The M88ELR rifle is the first large-caliber rifle that has successfully passed certification in the US Armed Forces and fire tests for survivability with a series of 500 shots. The dispersion cross section when firing a M88ELR rifle ensures successful defeat at a range of 915 and combat compartment of a BMP, floating anti-ship mines, or any target with dimensions corresponding to the air intake of a jet engine.

The M93 sniper rifle was developed by McMillan Brothers (USA) on the basis of a M87R rifle.

The special feature of the M93 rifle is the presence of a folding stock and a magazine Barrett borrowed from the M82А1 rifle with a capacity for 10 cartridges. The design of the store allows in the process of shooting to change the type of cartridge used.

The RC90 sniper rifle was developed by the Robar Company (USA) by order of the Turkish Armed Forces and is designed to equip the gendarmerie corps.

The rifle is equipped with a rotatable sliding gate with two lugs and a patented extractor from Sako. It has a muzzle brake with five deflectors. In the muzzle brake there are no two lower rows of holes, which made it possible to reduce the unmasking factors when firing.

The disadvantage of this design is the occurrence of the impulse acting on the rifle down when firing, while the rifle butt hits the arrow in the cheek.

In the process of testing the rifle RC90 provided the specified accuracy of fire.

The Stopson / Erma Anthis II sniper rifle was developed by Heckler & Koch and Mauser (Germany) and is designed to arm Bundeswehr snipers.

The rifle is equipped with a sliding bolt, butt with an adjustable crest, a magazine for six rounds and a bipod attached to the forearm. The barrel is equipped with a thermal jacket and a silencer. The rifle is used with an optical sight.

A certain contribution to the creation of sniper rifles chambered for 12,7x99 mm (.50) was made by Australian gunsmiths. In 1998, Precision Rifle Systems (Australia) announced the development of an ATWS .50BG rifle, designed to destroy material objects and enemy manpower.

ATWS .50BG - is a weapon with a sliding bolt and box magazine chambered for 12,7x99 mm NATO (.50) and a firing range of 1500-2000 m.

The barrel of the rifle and receiver are made of chrome-molybdenum steel; When used in a humid climate, these parts are made of stainless steel. When reloading the valve provides a smooth flow of ammunition into the chamber. Butt made of aluminum alloy. The rifle handle and butt can be made stationary or folding.

These features design rifle allow you to get four versions of the weapon. Unified for these options are mechanisms such as a muzzle brake and adjustable bipods that allow firing in the normal position, "bottom" and "side". It is possible to rearrange the shutter for "left-handed" and "right-handed." The weapon is equipped with an 2,5-10x12 optical sight, which also provides corrections for wind and elevation of the target. The universal mount for the optical sight is installed on the receiver. The rifle passes comprehensive tests in the Australian Army, for which 15 samples are ordered.

1 table. TTX large-caliber sniper rifles

Country

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

Sample index

М82А1

M82A1 mod.2

M82A2 Bullpup

M95 Bullpup

M90 Bullpup

M87

M87R

M88ELR

Characteristics

Cartridge

12,7x99 mm (-50)

12,7x99 mm

(50)

12,7x99 mm

(50)

12,7x99 mm

(.50)

12,7x99 mm

(50)

12,7x99 mm

(.50)

12,7x99 mm

(50)

12,7x99 mm

(-50)

Firing range m

2000

2000

2000

2000

2000

2000

2000

2000

Initial speed, m / s

850

850

850

850

850

850

850

850

Range of dispersion at a distance, mm

-1005 m

- 2000 m

350 510

350 510

350 510

37x50 (100 m) 280-300 (915 m)

165-550

910 (915 m)

Range armor ability, mm

-500 m

-1200 m

 

30

19

 

30

19

 

30

19

Mass of weapons, kg

16,1

14,7

12,24

9,93

10,8

9,5

9,5

Length, mm

- rifles

- trunk

 

1575

839

 

1549

839

 

1409

763

 

1143

763

 

990

740

736

 

1295

965

Store capacity, patr.

10

11

11

5

5

5

5

5

Year of adopting

1982

1984

1989

1987

1988

1988

Country

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

Germany

Hungary

Sample index

M93

RC 90

.50 / 12 TSW

.50 / 12TSW

mod.2

RA500

Maud. Xnumx

Stopson /

Erma Anthis II

Gepard M1

Characteristics

Cartridge

12,7x99 mm (.50)

12,7x99 mm (.50)

12,7x99 mm (.50)

12,7x99 mm (.50)

12,7x99 mm (.50)

12,7x99 mm (.50)

12,7x99 mm (50)

12,7x99 mm (50)

Firing range, m

2000

2000

2000

2000

2000

2000

2000

2000

Initial speed, m / s

850

Range of dispersion at a distance, mm

-1005 m

- 2000 m

 

145,4

290,9

Armor penetration range, mm

-500 m

-1200 m

20

Mass of weapons, kg

11.8

16,35

16,35

13,6

16,35

16

Length, mm

- rifles

- trunk

1346

740

 

1410

737

 

1410

737

840

 

1308

737

 

1540

1100

Store capacity, patr.

10

5

10

10

5

Single shot

6

Single shot

Year of adopting

1988

1989

1989

1989

1990

1991

1996

Country

Australia

Slovakia

Slovakia

Belgium

Sample index

ATWS

Falcon 0Р 99

Falcon OP 96

HECATE II

Characteristics

Cartridge

12,7x99 mm (.50)

12,7x99 mm (.50)

12,7x99 mm (50)

12,7x99 mm (.50)

Firing range, m

1500-2000

1600

1600

2000

Initial speed, m / s

825-925

Range of dispersion at a distance, mm

-1005 m

-2000 m

 

Xnumx on

100 m

Armor penetration range, mm

- 500 m

-1200 m

Mass of weapons, kg

15,3:13,5

12,9

13,4

13,5

Length, mm

- rifles

- trunk

 

1450

800

 

1260

839

 

1380

927

 

1380

700

Store capacity, patr.

6

2

2

7

Year of adopting

1998



Interesting sniper rifles caliber 12,7 mm made gunsmiths of the Republic of Slovakia. At the end of XX century. The company Technopol International (Bratislava) developed the Falcon sniper rifle in two versions: OP96 for the cartridge 12,7x107 mm and OP99 for the cartridge 12,7x99 mm (.50 Browning).

The rifle is made according to the design scheme of bullpup. Samples are completely unified, with the exception of the chamber.

Rifle adopted by the army of Slovakia.

Falcon OP99


At the beginning of the 1990's The Belgian company FN Herstal SA has developed a HECATE II sniper rifle chambered for .50 (12,7x99 mm) Browning M2 machine gun, adopted by the army of Belgium. On the basis of this model, sniper rifles chambered for the 7,62x51 NATO - Ultima Ratio Commando I and Ultima Ratio Commando II were created.

The HECATE II rifle is made according to the classical scheme, equipped with height-adjustable bipods and additional support on the butt. There is a front handle.

Rifle production deployed at FN Herstal SA

Single shot rifles

Sniper rifle mod. 5100 was developed by AMAS (USA) for the US military.

The rifle has a piston slide, the barrel is equipped with axial ribs for cooling and a muzzle brake. There is a mod. 500 height-adjustable bipod, pistol grip and butt with adjustable shoulder rest. At the top of the receiver is a swivel lever guard. There is no open sight, the sample is designed for firing only with optics or a night vision device.

Gepard M1


The Gepard M1 sniper rifle was developed by Technika (Hungary) and is designed to destroy lightly armored and unarmored vehicles, helicopters and manpower.

Rifle Gepard М1 - single-shot weapon with manual reloading when moving the longitudinal sliding gate. Locking by turning the shutter. The muzzle brake absorbs 55% recoil energy. The butt is equipped with a soft "cheek" and a shock absorber. Folding bipod placed in the center of gravity of the weapon.

The rifle is equipped with an 20x optical sight with a 40 field of view.

When firing at a range of 1200 m rifle strikes helicopters and open manpower, at a range of 600 m - helicopters and manpower behind an embankment or thin wall.

In the stowed position, the Gepard M1 rifle is transferred in the pack and transferred to the combat position in 30 seconds.

Rifle production

Along with the intensive development by foreign firms of sniper rifles for existing 12,7X99 mm cartridges, their production was organized and, accordingly, their adoption by armies. The dominant position in the development and production of high-precision small arms are US firms. Leading should be considered such companies as Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc., McMillan Brothers, Robar Company, Peregrine Industries, Research Armament Industries, etc.

Calculation of a large-caliber rifle! Barrett model M95 in firing position


In the manufacture of sniper rifles in the United States widespread cooperation. In this case, the most critical parts, such as trunks that determine the weapon performance characteristics, are manufactured by specialized enterprises with high-precision equipment and appropriate technology.

In the United States, among such internationally recognized manufacturers of high-precision weapon trunks, both combat and sporting, are Shilen, Krieger and Bartlein. The main supplier of barrels for sniper rifles of caliber 12,7 mm and above is Bartlein.

Data on the production of sniper rifles caliber 12,7 mm are presented in Table. 2.

2 table. Data on the production of large-caliber rifles in the United States

Country

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

USA

Germany

Sample index

М82А1

mod.1

M82A1 mod.2

М82А2

M87

M88 ELR

M95

RC90

RA500

Stopson / Erma

Anthis 11

Characteristics

Start of production, year

1982

1983

1989

1987

1988

1995

1989

1983

1996

Monthly production, units

50

50

Number of samples made, units

3900-4000 (1997)

250 (1997)

1400 (1997)

650

1000

350

Provision for production, mln.

30,828

6,620

Number of staff employed, pers.

260

60

Sample price, USD

7000

6000:7000

3100 4300 ...

4700

10000

Customer, country

USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, France

USA

Sweden

USA

France, Turkey

USA

USA

Turkey, Saudi Arabia

USA

Germany

Combat use of 12,7-mm sniper rifles

The combat use of 12,7-mm sniper rifles was preceded by extensive testing in potential combat use areas: in the Middle East and in Western Europe.

The M82X1 rifle was tested in Western Europe, which showed that dispersion at a distance of 1005 m was 350 mm, on 2000 m - 510 mm. Bro-impenetrability at a distance of 500 m was 30 mm, and at a distance of 1200 m - 19 mm.

Similar tests passed rifle mod.5100 company AMAC and when shooting provided dispersion values, which are presented in Table. 3.

The results of the use in combat operations (Operation Desert Storm in the Persian Gulf against the Republic of Iraq, 1990-1991) of the M82-1 rifle by the Marine Corps are currently known. In order to solve combat missions, reconnaissance and sniper groups were created in the Marine Corps.

The targets are artillery batteries, light combat vehicles, mines and live force. The positions of the artillery batteries were fired from a range of 1500 m, and the retractable devices and mechanisms for pointing guns were hit. The shooting was carried out with sniper cartridges .50 (12,7x99 mm) from Raufoss (Norway).

In the area of ​​the oil complex El Burgan of this rifle at a distance of 1600 m, the strength and technique of the mechanized brigade (BMP-1 type vehicles) was successfully amazed.

Snipers also used the M82А1 rifle to solve such unusual tasks as the destruction (detonation) of mines laid in the ground.

For their part, the Iranian servicemen successfully spotted the positions of a shooter armed with an M82A1 rifle at the muzzle flame. And only the destruction of the Iranian observer by a sniper allowed him to avoid being hit by artillery and tank guns.

It should be noted that the use of large-caliber rifles by the US Army in this operation was not a secret for the army of Iraq.
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  1. Yarbay
    Yarbay 6 June 2013 08: 57
    +1
    *** Combat use of 12,7-mm sniper rifles *** - Azerbaijan already has extensive experience in the application of this kind of rifle in combat conditions!
    * Istiglal * sniper rifle -Azerbaijan sniper rifle IST 14.5 “Istiglal” (IST 14.5 Anti Material Rifle) is included in the catalog of world small arms.

    According to APA, technical indicators and other necessary information on weapons have already been submitted to Janes, the company that makes up the catalog.

    The Azerbaijani side presented the necessary information at the IDEX-2011 exhibition, which was held last week in Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates.

    The catalog mainly contains information on widespread special purpose small arms. This catalog from the CIS countries includes some weapons made in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.

    In an explanation to the press, the Minister of Defense Industry, Yaver Jamalov, said that Istiglal was Azerbaijan’s first national weapon: “A study showed that there is no analogue to this weapon. In South Africa there is a weapon resembling Istiglal, but its range is 2 thousand meters. However, IST 14.5 has the ability to hit targets at a distance of 2500 meters. ”
    http://www.azglobus.net/585-azerbaydzhanskaya-snayperskaya-vintovka-istiglal-vkl

    yuchena-v-katalog-mirovogo-strelkovogo-oruzhiya-video.html
    There is a reduced model of 12,7

    The Shimshek sniper rifle, which in Azerbaijani means “Lightning”, is produced under cartridges of 12,7 mm caliber. Moreover, both under the Soviet 12,7 x 108 mm and under the NATO 12,7 x 99 mm (.50 BMG). Apparently, it is an easier version of the Istiglal sniper rifle, which is produced under the Soviet cartridge 14,5x114 mm, but unlike it is self-loading. The weight of the rifle is 16 kg, the total length is 1800 mm, the barrel length is 1100 mm, the magazine capacity is 7 rounds.
    http://raigap.livejournal.com/77208.html
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 6 June 2013 09: 11
      +2
      here is the video of the rifle



  2. smersh70
    smersh70 6 June 2013 09: 35
    -1
    The Istiglal rifle simply did wonders in the Murov mountains ... ... with its help in the mountains above 1500 meters, where there is also thin air, our soldiers controlled all approaches, trails, roads, pillboxes, dugouts of the Armenian invaders, based on the fact that the front line passed at long distances between the opposing sides ... ... when I was tore an enemy soldier from her shot, easily destroyed the fortifications of the riflemen ...
    1. Stoic
      Stoic 6 June 2013 11: 02
      +6
      This is in what century did your fighters control something in the mountains somewhere ????
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 6 June 2013 12: 14
        0
        to your attention .. even since 1994, a truce was concluded between the Azerbaijani and Armenian armies, there are 400 armies on the 2 km long confrontation line, and there is a position war on the front line, with shootings, killings ... since 1996, 5 major clashes using artillery ...
        1996 - capture by the Azerbaijani army of strategic height in the Tovuz region, controlling the road to Noyembrian
        1997 - battle for the height "Siberia" (height 1998,0) in the Geraboysokm region, near the Gulustan Fortress, where the Agreement was concluded
        2000 - repulsion of the attack of 3 Armenian battalions by a company of yurghaba, numbering 75 people.
        2004 battle in the Fizuli direction. Exit to the rear of the enemy, as a result of the NKAO troops leaving their positions. (Ours returned to their original positions due to orders)
        2007-2008 battle in the Terter and Fizuli direction .. (use of large-caliber artillery from the side of the Azeri army.
        1. Fidain
          Fidain 7 June 2013 11: 20
          +2
          Man you chooooooooooooo, I don’t know how your army works but propaganda is awesome. This is when the attacks of the Azerbaijani troops on the Armenian positions turn upside down and suddenly the Armenian army, which by all forecasts and statistics is 2-3 times inferior, has attacked the Azerbaijani positions
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 7 June 2013 16: 50
            +1
            I still regret that on July 2, 1997 I did not take a camera to the height of Siberia .... for history and for people like you .. and you wouldn’t ask such questions here ..
            1. Our
              Our 3 January 2014 15: 30
              +1
              Have you heard about the post Tep. Dzhabrailov?
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 6 June 2013 13: 04
        -3
        Nesstoik, you will know it, only you will not feel anything
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 6 June 2013 13: 00
      0
      And there is also a 12,7 caliber Mübariz rifle. It is produced in Turkey under an Azerbaijani license.
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 6 June 2013 22: 16
      +5
      Powerful device ...
    4. Fidain
      Fidain 7 June 2013 11: 11
      +1
      For you, the whole of Nagorno-Karabakh is on your platter, and your president waves everything from Baku, saying as soon as we blow, we will scatter all Armenians ...
      Yes, but not something like that, if you assume that you are so cool, until I'm sure that you would have already started a warrior !!! And do not say that the whole thing is humanity or the desire of the peacefully minder of his whole ...
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 7 June 2013 16: 51
        -1
        if you read Russian well, read the answers to your questions a little lower ......
  3. biglow
    biglow 6 June 2013 09: 41
    +8
    comrades Azerbaijanis, people are not the ones who defeat the war.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 6 June 2013 09: 54
      +2
      Quote: biglow
      comrades Azerbaijanis, people are not the ones who defeat the war.

      and who argues with this ??
      But even without weapons, people cannot do anything!
      here we are talking about weapons and I presented our domestic weapons, which the author may not know about, and a compatriot and colleague wrote about his use!
      what don't you like?
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 6 June 2013 10: 18
      -2
      Quote: biglow
      comrades Azerbaijanis, people are not the ones who defeat the war.

      “National Hero of Azerbaijan Mubariz Ibrahimov killed 45 Armenian servicemen. Because of this incident, two generals were dismissed from the Armenian army "
      “Every evening I look towards the occupied territories, and my heart breaks with the sight of the lands devastated by the enemy. In every house there used to be a light, and the voices of people were heard. And now in that direction there is only dead, ominous silence, which all the time reminds me of how enemies have abused my Motherland, ”these pain-soaked words belong Azerbaijan’s national hero, twenty-two-year-old ensign Mubariz Ibragimov.
      Do you mean such people ???
      we also have such !!!
      There are Farids Akhmedovs who, without thinking of their lives, went after the body of the deceased hero !!
      So it’s not for you to tell us about people!
      1. biglow
        biglow 6 June 2013 10: 30
        +3
        I'm talking about the fact that you constantly write that someone has been occupying your land for 20 years. And you are not doing anything about it.
        Somehow it's all strange. If the lands are captured, they usually seek to free them ... I hope the train of thought is clear.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 6 June 2013 10: 40
          +1
          Quote: biglow
          I hope the train of thought is clear.

          No, not clear!
          I answered in detail and there was a conversation not about the occupied lands, but about a specific weapon and its use!
          1. biglow
            biglow 6 June 2013 10: 43
            +3
            and what’s not understandable here. You write all the time that someone is occupying your lands but are not even trying to free them. Or change your point of view on this issue.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 6 June 2013 11: 02
              +3
              Quote: biglow
              and what’s not understandable here. You write all the time that someone is occupying your lands but are not even trying to free them. Or change your point of view on this issue.

              where about this in this thread I wrote ??
              Why not try?
              Political negotiations are ongoing !!
              Skirmishes daily, sometimes fights, soldiers die!
              Everything has its time!
              1. biglow
                biglow 6 June 2013 11: 40
                +5
                The people of Azerbaijan live in our house, I asked them about the Karabakhs, they said that they were not interested. And recently relatives of another 7 people came to them, also from Azerbaijan, bought an apartment and everyone else trades in the market.
                And I don’t understand, is it really possible to trade vegetables in the market much better than living at home in Azerbaijan. Or is it not so good there, but Ukraine also has no fountain
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 6 June 2013 11: 50
                  -1
                  Quote: biglow
                  Azrbadjans live in our house, I asked them about the Karabakhs, they said that they were not interested

                  And what about the traitors of the motherland, someone canceled ??
                  I’m generally from St. Petersburg, but I’ll absolutely go. And I know very well who of the Azerbaijanis will go to St. Petersburg and who will not. If there are 2 sons, 1 family must go, all the excuses are bullshit.
                  And among the Armenians it turned out perfectly ideally, now there will be fewer volunteers, many have tasted the fruits of the rule of the Karabakh clan and are not so eager to go.
                  Quote: biglow
                  And I don’t understand whether it is really better to trade vegetables in the market than to live at home in Azerbaijan

                  Well, how can I tell you, I was also surprised to get involved in this. But then I found out that the mark-up starts there from one hundred percent. And I know a lot of people who have parents in this business and are very rich, amused most of all when the summer season ended with the rest of their goods 1 Azerbaijanian in the baggage of a Mercedes Jiel carried away the cost of 100 bucks.
                  Azerbaijanis control the entire food and vegetable flow. Do you think going to Okey you buy from others? Okey itself is buying up everything from all these companies, there are a lot of intermediaries.
                  They just share with the right people and the business flows calmly and quietly. There are huge grandmothers. They bring the Abkhaz mandarin conditionally, pasted a label of another country with a more branded one and the margin of one hundred and higher went.
                  1. biglow
                    biglow 6 June 2013 12: 08
                    +1
                    the first family lives with us for about 15 years and they are similar to rich people. Moreover, they all trade themselves. The second family bought a 2-room apartment for 7 people and they are all already on the market.
                    At the expense of traitors, this is probably too much, although for example I live in a different country and in a different culture completely uncomfortable. I lived half a year in Germany, the conditions were good but I could not live there. That is, there must be very serious economic reasons for such a move. .
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 6 June 2013 12: 48
                      +3
                      Quote: biglow
                      At the expense of traitors, this is probably too

                      No at all. Motherland is a mother who has forgotten her mother is not worthy of respect.
                      Quote: biglow
                      although for example I live in a different country and in a different culture it’s completely not comfortable. I lived half a year in Germany, the conditions were good, but I could not live there.

                      no, Russia is a different topic. My relatives have been here since Soviet times, our culture (real, not the one shown by some) does not annoy the Russians and vice versa.
                      Russia combines west and east. And this is its strength and uniqueness, but gradually it is lost and Russia becomes more like the west with its values.
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 6 June 2013 12: 16
                  0
                  globalization, my friend .... when I was in Germany in 2008, I thought I got to Russia .... and that there was a war in Dagestan Chechnya, and many Russians or Russians traded around the world ..... ... hi
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 6 June 2013 11: 41
              +1
              Quote: biglow
              You write all the time that someone is occupying your lands but are not even trying to free them

              Georgia tried to liberate, but it crushed the Ossetian units and quickly entered Tskhinvali. But what in the end?
              This is a political question. While Russia on the side of the Armenians does not make sense to start a war, we stupidly consolidate their status. Plus Georgia had strong support from the West, but we don’t have it. And how many Western countries will allow us to fight? And they’ll be knocked out of a couple of regions, AND THEN Nobody needs anyone to bring peacekeepers there. As long as there is a XNUMX% guarantee from Russia about its neutrality, they will knock out the Armenians from there, not quickly and easily, they will burrow deep there, but we will knock them out.
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 6 June 2013 13: 50
                +1
                Breaking news - "the ministry of defense of armenia announces the admission of girls to military educational institutions. Obligatory conditions are 18 years old, physically HARDENED ...". I wonder in which area they STEENED?
                1. Fidain
                  Fidain 7 June 2013 13: 05
                  -1
                  “Dear” don't you know that in the Russian army or in any other, too, in certain places, as for example, girls can serve as an example. Considering how many of you, you are forced to make such sacrifices, in the 90s, the demography fell very much in all the beating republics of the USSR.
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 7 June 2013 15: 17
                    0
                    so don’t leave your country ...... but our demography just didn’t fall .. on the contrary, it grew, ......
                    and as for protection, we are not going to attack Armenia, we will liberate 20% of our land recognized by the UN, Russia, France, America, Europe ...... hi
                    1. Fidain
                      Fidain 8 June 2013 03: 07
                      +1
                      The question is, if "tomorrow" the US, Europe and Russia recognize the NKR as legitimate, will you immediately renounce all your territorial claims?
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7t3sDA35hE
            3. smersh70
              smersh70 6 June 2013 12: 26
              -1
              The deployment of several Iskander-M missile systems at a military base in Armenia is not directed against Azerbaijan, since the Russian military base in Gyumri itself is directed not against Azerbaijan, but against Turkey. This opinion was expressed by the head of the analytical department of the Russian Institute of Political and Military Analysis Alexander Khramchikhin.

              "At the same time, this base will be used against whoever Armenia will be in a state of war with. First of all, of course, I mean Turkey. But if an Armenian-Azerbaijani war breaks out and it affects the territory of Armenia proper, then theoretically this base can also be used against Azerbaijan, "the expert said.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 6 June 2013 11: 02
          -2
          we would release in a week, a month, unfortunately, the troops of such a large country as Russia are still in Armenia ..... and there are no guarantees that they will intervene or at least not keep quiet ... that’s the problem .... it remains only to agree with the owner of Armenia, as Lavrov said a few years ago, Armenia is an outpost of Russia, if an outpost, then this building belongs to Russia ...... that's all ...... ..
          1. Fidain
            Fidain 8 June 2013 03: 16
            +2
            Well, you give, and that Turkey is so poor or has little support for Azerbaijan ?! Or they bought little weapons from the same Russia, and this is a sign that in the Karabakh conflict, Russia will not directly support one of the parties completely.
        3. smersh70
          smersh70 6 June 2013 12: 25
          +1
          “I would not say that many in Moscow talk about cooling Russian-Azerbaijani relations. In Russia, fewer people are interested in what is happening around, even in the former republics of the USSR. ” This was stated by Vesti.Az by a well-known Russian politician, expert, editor-in-chief of the Open electronic newspaper Forum.msk, deputy of the National Assembly of the Russian Federation public association Anatoly Baranov.
          “I do not think that Armenia will leave Karabakh on its own. In addition, the Lachin corridor is strategically important for Armenia and Azerbaijan. Control over this territory will make Baku’s policies more independent from Moscow, and the Kremlin, I hope, still understands this. And how does Baku use this possible independence of its own? The Kremlin does not know this. For example, holding an independent oil pipeline to the Black Sea, greatly depreciating the strategic projects of V. Putin in the oil and gas sector. This is exactly Putin must understand. Again, the threat of war in Iran - and Iran is the only source of goods traveling on land for Armenia. If Armenia again finds itself in a blockade, then Russia's strategic positions in the Caucasus will also obviously weaken. Well, answer me, why would anyone in Moscow rush to resolve the Karabakh conflict? ”A. Baranov asked a question.
          1. Fidain
            Fidain 8 June 2013 03: 22
            +1
            As for Russia, it was your choice, either Russia or Turkey, you can’t beat a bit between the two. You made your choice, and Russia already made conclusions based on this ...
        4. xetai9977
          xetai9977 6 June 2013 13: 07
          -2
          biglow
          Everything has its own time, it is necessary to prepare, rearm, to agree with some.
          1. Fidain
            Fidain 7 June 2013 13: 10
            +2
            Well, yes, Armenia is under blockade from two sides, it is necessary to negotiate with Gruzinomi too, so that they would cut off and then when the warrior is completely surrounded, so what? You are so cool !!
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 7 June 2013 14: 21
              0
              YOU is still ahead ........ we will block the sky for you, according to all the canons of war ...... hi
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 7 June 2013 22: 35
                -2
                According to military experts, at present, the air defense system of Azerbaijan is in full control not only of the occupied territories, but also at the same time, all airspace over Armenia from the north-west direction and from the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. Due to the radar equipment acquired in recent years, and in particular with the help of the TRML-4D radar purchased from the USA, it became possible to keep airspace over the Caspian Sea under full control.

                Airspace over the Nagorno-Karabakh region and surrounding areas occupied by the Armenian armed forces is controlled by radar systems located in the Beylagan, Fizuli, Agjabadi, Goygol and Kurdamir regions, as well as in Nakhchivan. All processes taking place in this airspace, in the air above Armenia, are recorded (fixed).

                Azerbaijani missile systems located near the front line are considered a potential source of danger to Khojaly airport, which the Armenians are planning to put into operation. These missile systems make it possible to directly prevent flights to this territory.
                1. Fidain
                  Fidain 8 June 2013 03: 37
                  +1
                  We have it, we have what and what! Are you going to defeat the war with your statistics or computer graphics ??? soldier
              2. Fidain
                Fidain 8 June 2013 03: 31
                +2
                What are you !!! Well, let’s what are you waiting for? If Aliev has enough spirit, let him try, Russia will not if it does not slow down and take Baku hi
      2. Stoic
        Stoic 6 June 2013 11: 06
        11

        Private Artak Gabuzyan. Cavalier of the RA medal “For Courage” and the NKR medal “For Combat Service”. Thanks to this brave guy from Stepanavan and his comrades, on the night of June 18-19, 2010 the breakthrough of the sabotage group through the positions of the NKR Defense Army in the region of Matagis was stopped. And one Ibragimov who headed this group, imagining himself a sort of Azerbaijani Rambo, turned into a banal and foul-smelling bunch ...

        And so yes. You would be released in a day)))
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 6 June 2013 12: 23
          -5
          my friend, you watch the video where Sargsyan comes to his house and says that son, what the Armenian battalion was supposed to do, you did, your commanders ran away ... and then this "hero" says-mama-jan, I hid under bed and when this Rimbaud killed everyone, out of fear I shot him in the back ...
          right now I’ll find this video and expose
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvo0C7gFibk&feature=player_detailpage
          1. Stoic
            Stoic 6 June 2013 12: 33
            +2
            My friend, you better tell me what you know about the attempt of penetration of your sabotage groups into the territory of Armenia from 04/06/12 to 08/06/12? When H. Clinton arrived. Do you know anything?
            Meanwhile, you have five asker already have time to condemn for this)))))
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 6 June 2013 12: 53
              -6
              due to the fact that the Armenian side is constantly waiting for an offensive from Azerbaijan, they are actively operating reconnaissance units, because their intelligence and network in Azerbaijan is very weak or not at all, they rely only on the help of the SVR.
              secondly you rpav, because of a dream this attack also occurred, and 5 were killed, and for which their commanders were recently convicted
              Now I’ll tell you, you’re persistent, all the major clashes that have taken place over the years have occurred precisely because of the Armenian intelligence groups, and everywhere they have been rebuffed. Especially in 1997, at the Siberia post, exactly where the sentry fell asleep., I still remember watching through binoculars, where the last of the Armenian reconnaissance group of 22 people, fleeing behind the boulders of Maly Murov .... the rest stayed forever in the mountains Murova ...
              1. Fidain
                Fidain 8 June 2013 03: 42
                +1
                I don’t know who translated for you, but there’s no one talking about the battalion, they just praise him. But it’s not important for you, you have your own truth about it and you live << Long live Aliev, Safarov and AX >>
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 6 June 2013 12: 55
            -4

            This Video?))))
            where he says that this is a boxer?)))
            Mubariz that they killed with their bare hands?))))))
            1. Stoic
              Stoic 6 June 2013 13: 29
              +4
              Installation. Not a quality cut. Can't you see yourself? )))))))
              And the Azerbaijani text is many times more than the Armenian. Do you understand that in Armenian, yarbai?
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 6 June 2013 13: 48
                0
                Askanumez, Ahper Jan ... translate then, let people listen .... and especially the words of the President .......... hi
              2. The comment was deleted.
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 6 June 2013 13: 46
              -4
              and even because of the fear of the dead, they tied his hands, Mubariz even the deceased did not give them a descent ....
              1. Stoic
                Stoic 6 June 2013 13: 58
                +3
                In this video there are no words of the president))))
                You got your impassable stupidity and pathological love of lies)))))
                So, on June XNUMX, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia reported that: “On the north-eastern part of the Armenian-Azerbaijani border, the ceasefire was once again grossly violated by the Azerbaijani side - an attempt was made to penetrate the territory of Armenian positions located in the direction of the villages of Berdavan and Chinar ". The disseminated information also said that: "As a result of the measures taken and the courageous actions of the Armenian military, the sabotage attack was stopped and thrown back with losses from the enemy." It was reported that three Armenian soldiers died and several were injured.

                This dry information is supplemented by the following information from a reliable source:

                “They attacked in two different directions. In Berdavan, according to preliminary data, the Azerbaijani sabotage group consisted of 8 people. They tried to go into the depths of our territory (they were preparing either an ambush or a sabotage), but they were spotted by our foot patrol when they crossed the minefield. Our patrol, consisting of three people, actually ran into a sabotage group. The elder patrol was killed immediately, and the second one was immediately injured. The remaining one of our third soldiers prevented the passage of the enemy group. It was this guy who put those whose cries were heard all night in the minefield. The task was carried out with dignity.

                In Chinari, the situation was different. There the enemy acted in two groups. The first, assault, consisted of 5-6 saboteurs. The second, a cover group, of 15-20 enemy soldiers. Apparently, their task was to capture our post. The enemy assault group was to go into our trenches, and the cover group, from a distance of 300-400 meters, provide them with fire support from machine guns. However, our observer spotted the enemy assault group. He not only managed to raise the alarm, but also fought back. Raised by alarm our fighters occupied positions already under heavy fire of the enemy cover group. It was in this situation that two of our soldiers died and many were injured. Thanks to our observer, who discovered and entered into battle with the enemy assault group, the enemy’s affairs didn’t go according to plan and, having suffered losses, they decided to limit themselves to a long distance battle. Honor and praise to our defenders, who not only were able to stop the enemy, but also managed to survive in this situation. ”

                Thus, the information disseminated by the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia on the deaths of three and injured by several of our soldiers in the Azerbaijani sabotage on June XNUMX is confirmed.

                Samvel Aghababyan

                7 2012 June

                http://www.panarmenian.net/rus/news/110843/
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 6 June 2013 14: 18
                  -1
                  Quote: Stoic
                  “As a result of the measures taken and the courageous actions of the Armenian military, the sabotage attack was stopped and thrown back with losses from the enemy.”

                  this is one fighter brave warriors took for a sabotage group?))))))))
                  yeah ,, in fear the eyes of giants))
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 6 June 2013 14: 33
                    -1
                    Comrade Judge !!!!!!!!!! and he (they) cannot sit laughing
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 6 June 2013 14: 25
                  -2
                  our persistent, what fairy tales about sabotage squads, Mubariz was alone, left a suicide note, to his parents, .. and left without saying a word to either the platoon commander or the company commander ....... and left during the shootout ... ....... so send at least Artak Gabuzyan ............ you like to argue on a scale of the universe like Baghramyan in the summer of 41 and 42 ........... ... fellow .
                  1. Stoic
                    Stoic 6 June 2013 14: 37
                    +4
                    Yes, what Mubariz ?????
                    Do you know how to read in Azerbaijan?
                    Mubariz died in 2010.
                    And I am writing to you about the events of June 2012
                    Your level of development does not inspire me with optimism))))
                    Okay yarbay, everything has been clear with him for a long time, but you still gave hope)))))
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 6 June 2013 15: 36
                      -2
                      you are completely lost) it turns out that uvaz is a rimbo who worked against 8 trunks, which were directed by the opposite, and not just foot soldiers, but reconnaissance squad soldiers, and their training is at least always high with respect to foot soldiers wassat
                3. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 6 June 2013 14: 50
                  -2
                  Quote: Stoic
                  Honor and praise to our defenders, who not only managed to stop the enemy, but managed to survive in such a situation»

                  Now noticed this phrase)))))))))))
                  La is dead laughing
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 6 June 2013 15: 33
                    -3
                    probably took refuge in the trenches did not show signs of life ........ laughing lol
                    Yarbai, you noticed that they don’t even have a line of defense, but they have a foot patrol fellow because there is no one to put in the trenches, everyone joined the program of Russia and "Compatriots" laughing
                    1. Stoic
                      Stoic 6 June 2013 17: 12
                      +2
                      50 dead askers
                      According to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, on June 6, the armed forces of this republic suffered two irrevocable losses. So, asker Huseynov Ali Huseyn oglu, who serves in the military unit “N” (Fizuli), shot his colleague Ragimov Mirgasym Vugar oglu from a machine gun.

                      Then, in Baku, on the territory of the Garadagh region, an asker-over-conscript Tural Magerram oglu Bashirov (born 1988) was hit by a car. Asker died at the scene.

                      I want to remind you that the death of M. Ragimov and T. Bashirov became the 49th and 50th loss in the armed forces of Azerbaijan this year. The previous irretrievable loss in this structure was recorded on May 30, when the asker - over-conscript Samir Vagif oglu Mehdiyev hanged himself.

                      Fifty!!!! person. This is half the company for six months.
                      As in the saying "In spite of my grandmother, I will frostbite my ears"))))))))))))
                      1. smersh70
                        smersh70 6 June 2013 18: 54
                        0
                        your arguments - sound like - "but we have the biggest nose" or "but we have the best water in the world" hi fellow
                4. smersh70
                  smersh70 6 June 2013 22: 00
                  -1
                  see the continuation. where Sargsyan is talking with a soldier ..
            3. Fidain
              Fidain 7 June 2013 13: 12
              +1
              Well, really funny !!! , directly with your hands or an AX needed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          3. Arminian power
            Arminian power 6 June 2013 20: 34
            +2
            vay))))))))))))))) wassat mamed skazki doma raskajesh laughing
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 6 June 2013 19: 49
        +7
        Alibek, whence 45, if in the battle in which the ensign Mubariz Ibrahimov died, 4 Armenian soldiers were killed? Where and where are such massive losses? If there were 45 dead - such a storm would rise around it. Which generals were fired, where?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 6 June 2013 20: 53
          -1
          Quote: Pimply
          Alibek, whence 45, if in the battle in which the ensign Mubariz Ibrahimov died, 4 Armenian soldiers were killed?

          This was not written in the open press !!
          Do you really think that for 4 soldiers they would give him the Hero of Azerbaijan, especially since he went to the enemy without an order! Those four were destroyed by him on the first line of defense, in trenches!
          Mubariz led the battle until morning!
          According to radio intercepts and intelligence data, it was precisely established that more than 40 were destroyed, more than one hundred military personnel were wounded!
          As far as I know, he knocked out a transport from a grenade launcher that was being advanced to this place with military personnel and defeated the barracks! I think dear Smersh is more knowledgeable, he served in that area!
          I knew a very knowledgeable person of a high-ranking officer who called the figure much more !! In the Russian news even 150 people were killed in the first issue of the news! Then everything changed the numbers !!
          Therefore, out of anger, the enemy did not want to give out his body for a long time!
          As for the generals, they wrote about this in the open press but did not indicate the reason, but literally a day after the events happened!

          here there is also a statement by our consul general in Istanbul!
          “National Hero of Azerbaijan Mubariz Ibrahimov killed 45 Armenian servicemen. Because of this incident, two generals were fired from the Armenian army, "said former Consul General of the Republic of Azerbaijan in Istanbul, Deputy Chairman of the Board of Palmali Group of Companies Ibrahim Nabioglu, Turkish media reported.
          http://www.regionmedia.net/novosti/2208-mubariz-ibragimoglu
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 6 June 2013 21: 08
            0
            Yarbay is completely popular !!!!! and the first one to talk about him was the NTV news program, literally the news began with the words - a new Rambo appeared in Azerbaijan !! It was from there that the rumor about him went like Rambo !!!!! !!!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 6 June 2013 21: 22
              +1
              Quote: smersh70
              it was from there that the rumor about him went, like Rambo !!!!!!!!

              Rambo, that looks like Mubariz !!
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 6 June 2013 23: 40
            +5
            Alibek, information - it is like water. Leaks out. They give it not for the number of enemy soldiers killed, but for the deed. This piece is reprinted dozens of times. And the real information is zero.

            Courage - not in the number of soldiers killed. Otherwise, the pilot who dropped the atomic bomb would be the main character
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 7 June 2013 00: 30
              -2
              Mubariz went to certain death, he had no order, he knew what he was doing ..... you can put his suicide note here, which gives a lot of answers, sometimes to the questions posed here
              he was only a soldier and it’s a pity that he was not a pilot, he would have done more for the Motherland !!! hi
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 7 June 2013 14: 40
                0
                Going on an adventure is not a hero, excuse me. Heroism is not that. This is just crazy.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 7 June 2013 15: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Heroism is not that. This is just crazy.

                  To understand it and the motive must live with us!
                  See what we saw, feel, what we felt!
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 7 June 2013 07: 48
              -2
              Quote: Pimply
              And the real information is zero.

              And you do not look for her in the newspapers!
              They can tell you about it!
              You see, I know for sure that corpses and wounded were taken out all day long!
              What a three-day mourning was declared in Armenia!
              4 soldiers die often, but mourning is not declared!
              One of the officers, Farid, a couple of days later followed the body of Mubariz and died, also committed an act!
              The act was noted but not so!
              I repeat, he went to this act in violation of the order, we have this strictly and if it concerned only 4 soldiers it would hardly have been marked like that!
              He committed unprecedented heroism, the officers who saw a lot told me about the event in shock that one person did this!
              1. Stoic
                Stoic 7 June 2013 10: 29
                0
                You see, I know for sure that corpses and wounded were taken out all day long!

                Weeks, yarbai, not a day, but a week)))))

                How do you know for sure? Was there? Is it with Ibadushka? My inseparable friend)))

                How is he? Isn’t it still an hour, bastard?
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 7 June 2013 14: 18
                  -1
                  Hitler’s skull is stored in a small box in Moscow, like a trophy, and thanks to the Ibadushka-skull of your Melkonyan with his favorite knife, the owner of the trophy is also kept with a cross !!!!! laughing
          3. Fidain
            Fidain 7 June 2013 13: 21
            +1
            This is purely your speculation! And your General Staff !!! You once did not know how to admit your mistakes and never teach, and such a "nation" has no future !!!
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 6 June 2013 21: 13
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Alibek, whence 45, if in the battle in which the ensign Mubariz Ibrahimov died, 4 Armenian soldiers were killed? Where and where are such massive losses? If there were 45 dead - such a storm would rise around it. Which generals were fired, where?

          Look at the respected face of Sargsyan., In the video presented by Yarbay - gloomy, displeased, he knows the price of fights, he himself fought since 88, carried out the occupation of our lands, so he directly says what your battalion had to do., no one did .... he knew what losses his battalion actually suffered ....... according to this soldier himself (literal translation), he heard shots. he came out with his old broken machine gun. he saw that nothing was from the battalion all the soldiers, the ovicers were destroyed, and only managed to release the entire clip ........
          1. Stoic
            Stoic 6 June 2013 21: 31
            +1
            Listen, Smersh, or whatever it is, in the video from yarbai)) there is no gloomy Sargsyan. There is no Sargsyan at all. What about literal translation
            According to this soldier himself (literal translation), I heard shots. I went out with my old broken machine gun. I saw that there was nothing left of the battalion. All the soldiers, the ovicers were destroyed, and only managed to release the entire clip ........
            long time ago didn’t laugh like that. Artak does not say this)))))
            Old submachine gun. Queue in the back. There was nothing left of the battalion. ))))))))
            In the Armenian army, the battalion, as in the USSR, is three companies. And this, as even your reason not burdened with intellect should understand, is far from 45 people)))
            Here you are dreamers.
            I can post you a photo of the strangled Mubariz with a clear trace of the inlet bullet hole. You will see where he was piled
            Here you like theatrical effects in Azerbaijan)))))
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 6 June 2013 21: 53
              +3
              you are still the worst sergeant. and will be him until the end of the comments. laughing
              Yes, well) we did not know. what do you have 3 companies in the battalion)))))))) fellow
              it’s just that you have a maximum of 70 people serving in the battalion according to the emergency situations ... fellow it’s your generals who speak and say that they created a new doctrine. Based on them, the local population serves in the border units, because there are not enough recruits)))))))
              1. Fidain
                Fidain 8 June 2013 03: 57
                0
                On the one hand, you are 10 times better armed, on the other hand, you are 3-4 times more on the rubbed side, you have the highest morale and plus everything in Armenia and there are almost no military personnel. Based on this, there is only one conclusion: draw a large Armenia with the nosed Armenians and tear this drawing all over Azerbaijan, because you have nothing else to do !!!
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 6 June 2013 22: 23
              +2
              Quote: Stoic
              In the Armenian army, the battalion, as in the USSR, is three companies

              this is in which USSR (in Armenian?) in the battalion there were three companies?))))))))))))
              David you apparently did not serve at all)))
              What were you white ticket ???))))
              Well, your brave man thought that the whole battalion was killed)))
              village))))))
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 6 June 2013 22: 50
                0
                and they do not even have in the battalion, except for 3 companies, platoons of sapper, reconnaissance, MTO, communications, mortar batteries ..... horror .... is there really such a shortage of fighters laughing laughing wassat
            3. smersh70
              smersh70 6 June 2013 22: 23
              0
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_6tGKH_58g а теперь на сцену выходит сам Саргсян--спецпредложение для нестоика--посмотри как тут он разговаривает с солдатом .... laughing and translate .....
              I always tell the truth and answer for my words fellow
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 6 June 2013 22: 29
                +1
                Now we translate))))))))
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 6 June 2013 22: 46
                  -1
                  Imagine Yarbai .. if it weren’t for Mubariz. This soldier would still live in poverty and wretchedness, only in these frames does the standard of living in Armenia seem to be low .... fool
                  1. Fidain
                    Fidain 7 June 2013 13: 23
                    +2
                    And if not for the ax, how would SAFAROV live? !!!!!!
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 7 June 2013 14: 16
                      0
                      he would continue to serve !!!!!! and destroy the invaders in his country by force of arms, this time a firearm, by the way he served with me, and he was a very competent officer !!!!!!!!!
                      By the way, through the fault of the Armenian invaders, he became a refugee from the Dzhabrailovsky region, which does not enter the former NKAR
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 7 June 2013 15: 00
                      +2
                      Quote: Fidain
                      And if not for the ax, how would SAFAROV live? !!!!!!

                      Yes, too!
                      Our officers get a very good salary !!))
                      He just received his salary for 8 years, which he did not receive!
                      1. Fidain
                        Fidain 8 June 2013 04: 11
                        +1
                        The saddest thing is that you do not even distinguish a hero from a killer !!! I have never said bad words about Mubariz, because he was sent by a soldier or he got out and went on a diversion that you couldn’t articulate there. And Safarov, on the orders of your General Staff, vilely killed in a dream, this is not a sniper with a card shot the target, it’s not a melee where he was better ... And you don’t understand how you think, they killed one officer so you have more chances? Stupid, naive, unworthy ...
        3. Stoic
          Stoic 6 June 2013 21: 26
          +1
          Eugene.
          And here is the source of yarbai)))
          stated the former Consul General of the Republic of Azerbaijan in Istanbul, Deputy Chairman of the Board of Palmali Group of Companies Ibrahim Nabioglu


          What could be more reliable than the former consul general? ))))
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 6 June 2013 22: 25
            0
            and he gave your consul a beer and pumped out all the drinks you are poor. you don’t have money for beer smile and he used the open source in (in) or .......... lol
        4. Yarbay
          Yarbay 6 June 2013 21: 27
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          If there were 45 dead - such a storm would rise around it.

          and from 4 soldiers a three-day mourning was declared in Armenia ??
          1. Samuray
            Samuray 7 June 2013 10: 35
            +4
            Dear Yarbay, I was recently in Baku and one of my acquaintances told about the feat of an Azerbaijani officer! He killed an Armenian officer in Budapest during a simmit in my opinion. So everyone admired his "feat" and called him a hero. Only later I read on the Internet that he hacked to death with an ax a sleeping Armenian officer and is now serving time in a Hungarian prison. And so I cannot understand how it is possible to heroize this murder in such a way.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 7 June 2013 12: 00
              -1
              Quote: Samuray
              Only later did I read on the internet that he had hacked a sleeping Armenian officer with an ax and was now serving a term in a Hungarian prison.

              Yes, on the internet, Armenians write all sorts of crap!
              Old tricks!
              An officer of the Armenian army at him scribbled the flag of his country!
              I would kill too!
              As for the sleeping, also fiction!
              Here are the details!

              http://vesti.az/news/149386
              http://vesti.az/m/?c=show&id=150427

              the main thing is that they are outraged, those who heroized international terrorists who bombed civilians at the world's airports!
              Varujana Karapetyan, Monte Melkonyan!
              Their victims were not military, but women and children, and innocent of anything!
              Read it!
              http://www.peoples.ru/state/criminal/terrorist/varuzhan_karapetyan/

              On September 24, 1981, Melkonyan organized an attack on the Turkish Embassy in Paris. In November of that year, the local police arrested him with fake documents, but ASALA managed to secure his release by conducting several terrorist attacks. The French authorities deport him to Lebanon, however, Melkonyan again returned to Paris and in 1983 carried out a terrorist attack against the representative office of Turkish Airlines at Orly Airport. As a result, five people die and another 55 are injured. Two years later, the terrorist is caught and arrested, and this time the French put him in prison for 6 years, having found him guilty of 4 acts of terrorism at different times and in different places. In 1989, Monte was released and deported to Yemen, but he again returned to Europe, where he lives illegally for another year and a half. Melkonyan came to the Karabakh front in the early 90s.
              1. Samuray
                Samuray 7 June 2013 12: 10
                +3
                Well, yes, the reason is really a respectful murder for insulting the flag! He is really a hero, he even managed to buy an ax for "Self-Defense"
                1. Stoic
                  Stoic 7 June 2013 12: 17
                  +1
                  Full text of the first interrogation of the "hero" in English http://budapest.sumgait.info/safarov-interrogation.htm

                  There is no Vedazedovskaya nonsense about the flag.
                  But in detail, how he bought an ax, how he planned, how he waited in the morning, when the dream was the strongest, how the door was unlocked.
                  1. Samuray
                    Samuray 7 June 2013 12: 27
                    +1
                    Thanks for the link! I just read this report
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 7 June 2013 12: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Samuray
                      Thanks for the link! I just read this report

                      printed in Yerevan?))))))))))))

                      Why should I bother how they killed an officer in the army of Armenia, whose country the president organized a massacre of civilians in Khojaly !!?
                      Well done!
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 7 June 2013 14: 10
                    +2
                    as Putin said, we’ll destroy enemies everywhere, we’ll catch in the toilet, we’ll also wet there !!!!!!!!!!!! laughing am
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 7 June 2013 12: 28
                  0
                  Quote: Samuray
                  Well, yes, the reason is really a respectful murder for insulting the flag! He is really a hero, he even managed to buy an ax for "Self-Defense"

                  Of course the hero killed an officer of the enemy army !!
                  sorry that he was not awarded!
                  Everyone has their own methods!
                  I would have strangled Margaryan there when he blundered about my country!
              2. Fidain
                Fidain 8 June 2013 04: 18
                +1
                You don’t understand Melkonyan, like you Safarov, don’t understand not Armenians not Armenian heroes. So from the beginning you will live in this world so much and experience so much, and then vazmite to judge
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 7 June 2013 14: 13
              0
              Enemy — he is an enemy everywhere !!!!!! no one is allowed to insult the country, flag, people. Here the Ossetian dispatcher found the Zweitz dispatcher and killed him, he was a hero in Russia! They gave the post of deputy minister, the same Melkonyan, blew up the airport in Paris, and we were greeted as a hero! although he was a citizen of another country and blew up an airport of friendly Armenia’s country ........ the pad is not right,
              and then this officer served his time, .....
      4. Fidain
        Fidain 7 June 2013 12: 48
        +1
        Considering that they won with lesser forces, it is logical to say that the Armenians killed more Azerbaijanis or they just ran away !!
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 7 June 2013 14: 08
          0
          as long as there is no peace and a peace treaty has not been signed, it is not yet known who won whom whom !!!!!!!!!! hi
  4. smersh70
    smersh70 6 June 2013 10: 14
    -1
    Quote: biglow
    comrades Azerbaijanis, people are not the ones who defeat the war.


    Well then why in the 21st century missiles, tanks, we will fight with our hands, bows, stones, cobblestone weapons of the 21st century !!!!!!! fellow
  5. Grbear
    Grbear 6 June 2013 10: 17
    +2
    Not that caliber, but our new one. There is a beginning. And these guys were shown as developers of pistols for special forces.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AXY_Qnvu9Y 27 минута.
  6. lx
    lx 6 June 2013 10: 25
    +3
    What nonsense is this? Hecate II is developed and manufactured by the French company PGM precision
    http://www.pgmprecision.com/fr_FR/fusils/hecate2.html
    1. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone 6 June 2013 14: 26
      +2
      Yes, the rifle is designed and manufactured by the French PGM, but sold worldwide through the FN Herstal retail chain, like all other PGM rifles.
      1. lx
        lx 6 June 2013 22: 49
        +1
        The article says completely different, as I said. As for distribution, I won’t argue, but as far as I know, HECATE II FN does not implement it (unlike MH and UR)
  7. PSih2097
    PSih2097 6 June 2013 12: 07
    +1
    To solve the problems of sniper fire, foreign armies are equipped with sniper rifles chambered for 7,62x51 mm, 7,5x54 mm, 7,5x55 mm, .300, .222, .223, .243, .308, 6,5X55 mm.

    Author, and where did you go? .338 Lapua Magnum / 8.58x71 and .338 Winchester Magnum (.338 Win Mag)?
    1. neznayka
      neznayka 6 June 2013 14: 01
      +1
      Unfortunately, the author indicated only that the first came to mind or eyes, and even apparently in a hurry. Intrigued by 7,62x51 mm, .... and .308, then it was necessary to add M118 with M118LR wink. And indeed, the entire first paragraph of the article (introductory and non-binding) can be analyzed by quotes - a complete misunderstanding, that's just laziness.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 7 June 2013 12: 09
      0
      Nowhere to go. But for any army, such systems are too expensive, as well as the cost of cartridges. These systems are in service with the FBI, FSO and other specialists. Well, wealthy hunters.
  8. SIT
    SIT 6 June 2013 13: 17
    +6
    If you shoot not by shepherds, but by a regular army, then a sniper survives only due to disguise and timely change of position. With a dispersion of 35cm at 1000m and 50cm at 2000m it is clear that we are talking about firing on equipment. On this technique, there may be a bunch of electronics that picks out the optics and flash of the shot. Suppose the first shot succeeded in incapacitating the engine of some kind of armored unit, but the second shot is already detected and will fly back from all systems and calibers, because armament then works. Changing a position unnoticed with such an oar is also not easy. If you shoot a caliber of 2 mm in manpower from a distance of 14.5 meters or less, then there can be no talk about any disguise. Such a shot completely unmasks the position. And when they’ll spot the position, they’ll just crack the soul out of the mortars, so that they can shoot while there are mines, and the gunners will be promised as much alcohol as they fit into them. By sniper BC do not regret.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 6 June 2013 13: 50
      -2
      if there is a fierce battle with the use of artillery, I completely agree! but when there is a positional struggle, and when the distance between the enemy is more than 500 meters, it is just cool !!!!!!!
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 7 June 2013 11: 59
        +3
        When there is a positional struggle, 7.62x54 and .308Win (7.62x51) are enough. The sniper will not shoot at armored vehicles - only open the position.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 7 June 2013 15: 25
          -2
          7,62 is not enough for dugouts, light armored vehicles, but 14,5-just right, consider that it shoots an armored personnel carrier, .. do not need a motor, nor equipment, or gasoline, .. shot off and change position ...
  9. neznayka
    neznayka 6 June 2013 14: 29
    +2
    The M82A1 rifle was tested in Western Europe, which showed that the dispersion at a range of 1005 m was 350 mm, at 2000 m - 510 mm. Bro-impenetrability at a range of 500 m was 30 mm, and at a range of 1200 m - 19 mm
    The author from where the data on the dispersion cross-sections is R100 or R50 and for how many shots? In general, I doubt about armor penetration. Firstly, why did they fire, and secondly, why? For comparison, a 14,5 mm B-32 cartridge, when firing from a KPVT, pierces 20 mm homogeneous armor at an angle of 20 degrees to the normal by 300 meters with a probability of 80-90%; 12,7 mm B-32 when firing from CORD at a range of 100 meters, but why should there be little things 30 mm BT for the 2A42 cannon has a modest 20 mm at a distance of 700 m when meeting a target at an angle of 60 degrees, and a sub-caliber (BP) of 25 mm at a distance of 1500 m.
  10. Andrey77
    Andrey77 6 June 2013 14: 41
    +2
    "Modern Western Doctrine" ... Did the author sit out on political studies?
  11. Andrey77
    Andrey77 6 June 2013 14: 56
    0
    "Over the past 20 years, large-caliber sniper rifles have become increasingly popular in the armies and special forces of various countries of the world. They will be discussed today."

    The author may not be aware, but now there is a rejection of large-caliber rifles in favor of the target cartridge. Look at the benchrest, where the caliber is in tenth, and the cartridge (manual assembly) is in the first.
  12. smersh70
    smersh70 6 June 2013 23: 08
    0
    South African company Denel is interested in participating in the production of large-caliber sniper rifles in Azerbaijan.

    Vesti.Az reports with reference to AzeriDefence.com that Azerbaijan has ordered a batch of NTW-20 sniper rifles manufactured by this company. The company reached a preliminary agreement with the Ministry of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan on the joint production of 23 mm sniper rifles.

    Denel rifles are fired with 20 × 82 mm (NTW 20) and 20 × 110 mm (NTW 20x110) ammunition, and the effective firing range of these models is 1500 and 1800 m, respectively.
  13. ... in motu
    ... in motu 7 June 2013 14: 02
    +2
    THANK YOU, M82A2 Bullpup general TALE! hi
  14. smersh70
    smersh70 8 June 2013 22: 32
    +1
    First of all, it is worth noting that this SWR stands out among such weapons even with the ammunition that is used in it. Typically, a 20 mm large-caliber sniper rifle uses a German 20x82 cartridge, but the RT-20 is powered by a more powerful 20x110 ammunition
    Like all large-caliber sniper rifles, the RT-20 is a weapon designed to hit live targets at long distances, damage enemy lightly armored vehicles, destroy radar, as well as destroy unexploded ordnance.

    However, due to the fact that the rifle uses a cartridge that has a bullet of sufficiently large dimensions, this rifle has advanced capabilities compared to a conventional cartridge
    And finally, we came to the main issue - mitigation of recoil when firing from the SWR RT-20. Looking already at only one muzzle brake-compensator for recoil of this rifle, it becomes clear how powerful this weapon is. but with just one muzzle brake-compensator for the recoil of this rifle, it becomes clear how powerful this weapon is, but even it is not enough to ensure that shooting from a “hand gun” does not make a disabled person a shooter.

    Most of these weapon models use a hydraulic barrel rollback system, but this most often negatively affects the accuracy of the weapon, and the weight of such a design does not obviously decrease from this. In addition, do not forget that the use of hydraulics makes the weapon susceptible to ambient temperature, and maintenance in painful conditions becomes clearly difficult.

    In the large-caliber sniper rifle RT-20, designers went the simpler way, adapting the scheme for recoilless weapons to their rifle. Approximately in the center of the barrel of the RT-20, a series of holes were made through which part of the powder gases burst when fired.

    From the holes in the barrel they exit into the tube above the barrel of the rifle, exiting from which they create jet thrust, pushing the weapon forward, thereby compensating for the recoil. Naturally, such a system affects the speed of the bullet, but given that the ammunition in this rifle is really very powerful, part of the powder gases can be donatedhttp: //www.youtube.com/watch? Feature = player_embedded & v = uWi
    yA5Q-GP4
    Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/055057052124050056052048056.html
  15. Des10
    Des10 14 June 2013 22: 15
    0
    SWR they are unique, rare and a source of pride. I liked the article, did not expect such a surprise from Azerbaijan.
    But I still think in Soviet memory.
    Your polemic is ... not pleasant. Like the war. On each side there are scholars, heroes, and faint-hearted. A life...
    But in the end, both of them trade in the Russian Federation, hold positions in power and state structures, etc. And the attitude towards both nationalities is almost the same. Because - international affairs - in other articles, and here - about the SWR.