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Nobel laureate Andrew Geim: The townsfolk will kill humanity in 50 years

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The famous physicist, the discoverer of graphene, the Nobel and even Schnebel Prize laureate, the knight of the British Empire Andrei Geim left Russia long ago and works in the largest Western scientific centers. Last week, he unexpectedly arrived in Moscow to support the criticism of Minister Dmitry Livanov, who came under fire, in particular, he participated in the meeting of the Public Council under the Ministry of Education and Science and became its honorary chairman. At the end of the Moscow mission, the Nobel laureate told RBC correspondent Kirill Sirotkin about a strange democracy, cheerleaders, brainwashing, stagnation, and about the inhabitants threatening the destruction of humanity, as well as about Rosnano rollbacks, Skolkovo money, graphene prospects, and Lego 3D.


Nobel laureate Andrew Geim: The townsfolk will kill humanity in 50 years


Andrei Konstantinovich, why did you, after so many years of non-participation in our political and scientific affairs, decide to speak in support of Dmitry Livanov?

I decided to help him in the fight against windmills, which were built in the scientific community of Russia. Nobody wants to notice that there are two ministries of science in the country, and something needs to be done about it. The situation is exceptional, and I thought that I could help a troublemaker with my actions - this is my function. In any system there must be kind uncles who walk and stroke the pioneers on the head, cheerleaders, as I call them. A cheerleader is more profitable than a troublemaker, but it’s the latter that are lacking, only they can transfer the situation from one equilibrium to another. Therefore, I have already reconciled myself with this post of a troublemaker, to whom spits fly.

Naturally, I am not always right in my judgments, I can already see from correspondence that with my performances in Russia I have offended many, most deserved it, but someone unfairly. I chose this role and is ready to carry it. I think Russia needs it at the moment. The Ministry of Science and the Academy of Sciences need to establish a new balance of power, it is necessary to bring people from the Russian Academy of Sciences to the ministry.

Will you be given any authority under the new post of honorary head of the Public Council under the Ministry of Education and Science?
?

I have so many titles that I was not eager for this post. It was a surprise for me that something would be offered to me. When Livanov came to me, we talked about the fact that I would be a member of this council, visiting him whenever I could. When they appointed me an honorary or “odd” chairman, I had bulging eyes. But he called himself gruzdem, get into the body: I ​​could not refuse.

Andrei Konstantinovich, today ...

Nobody called me Andrei Konstantinovich since childhood. I am more often called Sir, Sir Andrew or Andrey, even Russian students call Andrey.

The election of the head of the Russian Academy of Sciences, as you said, of the second Ministry of Science, was won by your colleague in MIPT - Academician Vladimir Fortov.

I wish him all the best. I was asked for whom I would vote, I was afraid to say that for Fortov, because sometimes the support of individuals (like me) is the same as throwing a black ball. So I said nothing. But, frankly, I did not want to see Zhores Alferov in this post, if only because the age is not the same. Still, this work requires physical exposure.

What do you think should be done in order for a powerful Soviet Academy to become a modern scientific community?

How to eat is impossible. The existence of two ministries will lead to permanent conflicts between the Academy of Sciences and the Ministry of Science. No one likes revolution and restructuring - especially in Russia. Everyone is tired of them, but something needs to be done about it. In the meantime, everyone hopes that the matter somehow settles itself.

The opinion that I heard from many people working in the Russian Academy of Sciences that the Academy is unremarkable, but the Ministry of Science is even worse. Perhaps this point of view is fair, no matter how bad or good academics are, they are experts, or at least they were experts in science, they know the system well. The expert is much better than the official who did not know anything about science and is trying only to manage it for political reasons. This point of view is correct and must be treated with respect. At the same time, it is necessary to realize that to exist simultaneously as an executive and legislative authority in science is an exceptional situation, it has remained only in Russia, China and North Korea.
The Academy is a respected community, a respected club of people who have done something in science, who are experts. 90% of Western academics from the British Royal Society or the American Academy of Sciences would have fled, as if from fire, if they were given the opportunity to distribute money, lead institutions, and the like. This is a club that should give advice to society, people, politicians, the state. Its function is deliberative, and its status is high due to the availability of expertise on many issues.

Many people in the Academy of Sciences want everything to remain as before. To change to the new, we must admit that the old is impossible. How to change the system, how to redo it, how not to create something worse than the existing monster is, of course, a difficult question. It is necessary first to come to a consensus that something needs to be done.

The Russian authorities are constantly blamed for the fact that the country can not get off the oil pipe. Yes, there is Rosnano, there is Skolkovo, but the changes are unnoticeable. Andrei, in your opinion, in which sectors should the state invest, what should be done?

The Russian problem of dependence on a pipe is not unique, the same words in other languages, in the same translation I heard from representatives of Arab countries, Norway, I heard the same words in England, however, instead of a pipe there were banks. All states of the same opinion - that it is necessary to get off the pipe, only the pipes in different parts of the world are called different. The situation is complex worldwide. In the same South Korea, which seems very successful, as Samsung and LG are everywhere, the same problems. What will we do in five to ten years? The technologies that are used around the world come to the end of their existence. Remember: ten years ago we changed computers every two years - they improved so quickly. Now, if we change a computer or mobile phone, the improvements are minimal. They are what it looks like, and not what technology is invested there.

Over the past ten years, people around the world have realized that something is changing. We are experiencing a new paradigm, a new state of the global economy. Economists and non-professional people (like me), who understand something about economics, believe that we are at the beginning of global stagnation. The low fruits reaped everything, and we approached what we had to pay for the mistakes of the last 50 years, which we did not invest in science and technology, believed that it was possible to invest in fast-applied applied technologies, and not in fundamental technologies.

Skolkovo is a good idea, but the implementation turned out the same as always. Over the past few days I have repeated many times that they tried to build a garden city from Skolkovo: to build buildings, attract people from nowhere — from the same Mars or Saturn — completely unrealistic plans. Ditch a huge amount of money. Of course, now everything needs to be done, only one garden city for such a large country is not enough. It is necessary to merge an academy with a higher education, just as it is done in most Western countries, where this system has been operating for decades, if not centuries. This can be done without building from scratch. For example, there is Dolgoprudny with a well-known Physicotechnical Institute, academic institutions can be built there, and Chernogolovka with academic institutes, a university could be built there. This could be several times more efficient. For the money that went to Skolkovo, it would be possible to build four mixed campuses. But what's done is done.

With Rosnano, the same thing happened - they wanted it better ... The same high technology investment programs exist in Norway and the United Arab Emirates. But for some reason, as always, bureaucracy and corruption have turned out in Russia. “Rosnano” was used entirely for the purposes they should have been.

I'll tell you history. An Israeli came to me at a conference. For about three years he constantly visited Moscow, but apart from the word "hello" he practically knows nothing in Russian. I asked him what his impression of Rosnano was. And he answers me: "Rollback".

Since he does not speak Russian, I ask what it is. And he again says to me: "Rollback". We communicate in English with him. He explained to me that this is a Russian word. I am telling him that such a Russian word does not exist, if only in the context of "cannon rollback". I did not know any other context three years ago. After that, I came to Manchester and asked a visitor from Moscow what this Israeli meant. And he explained to me a new concept of this word, which I did not know. Now I know what they mean by rollback in Russia. But imagine, a person knows three words in Russian: "hello" and "for health" and "rollback." This story says a lot, hence my opinion about Rosnano.

You are known for their harsh judgments, which seldom allow themselves to be representatives of power structures. Before talking with Dmitry Livanov about your return to Russia, did you set the terms of a political nature?

Nobody shut up my mouth, but to put some conditions on it is not in my rules. Keep in mind that I flew to Russia at my own expense. They offered to pay from the ministry, I said that it was not necessary that I could pay for the ticket myself. Time is important to me. I did spend two days on this trip. Money is not so important.

If we talk about politics, then I see Minister Livanov as a victim of this policy, he needs to be helped to avoid politics, and not to impose conditions. Naturally, the system of democracy in Russia is rather strange. I must say, I also met with democracies in other countries and am not a big supporter of Western democracy. I agree with Churchill that democracy is a terrible political system, but we have not yet invented the best one.

What happened to the Russian democracy, I see, reading separate newspapers, separate sites like yours. As always, people in Russia love to criticize, for which they are paid to journalists. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but it seems that everyone can be criticized, with the exception of Putin. From my western view, as they say, from abroad, it is very noticeable that the ministers became whipping boys. For example, selling answers to state examinations is so serious that it should be included in the presidential function. This is a serious matter, a serious open corruption and political, not an administrative issue. Somehow the same Minister Livanov became the whipping boy. In the West, ministers are politicians, here ministers are not politicians, but appointees of the head of state. It would be possible to make demands, say, to President Putin or members of the State Duma who are professional politicians, and Livanov is a professional administrator.

Andrei, you mentioned the Unified State Exam. Many representatives of the Russian Academy of Sciences, representatives of the university community are not tired of criticizing him, saying that his introduction has destroyed the Soviet school. What is your opinion on this?

I have no opinion. This is what I do not know, do not understand, I will refrain from expressing an opinion. I do not know the specific system. I know that in England there is a Unified State Exam that works. Whether the western system is always applicable to Russia is another question.

We have many people talking about the decline in the quality of training Russian students. You often encounter graduates of Russian universities. Is there really such a trend?

For Russian students, especially graduates of Moscow universities or, say, Novosibirsk University, the best universities will chase, they are the most competitive. If they are not at the highest place in the rating, this is partly due to ignorance of the English language, ignorance of the western system, insufficient acquaintance at conferences.

Graduates from Moscow, graduates from Ryazan, graduates from Novosibirsk, from Volgograd work in my laboratory. I work Chinese, Indians, Ukrainians and many others. Language does not matter, it only helps communication. The main thing is the level at which they work. Of course, it happens that completely unintelligible people are coming, but the 70% of Russian graduates I have come across are just great guys compared to English, American, and others. Here Russia engages in too much self-flagellation. Yes, the level probably falls, but it falls all over the world, it falls in all countries, it falls in China. This is due to the fact that society is becoming richer, brains are covered with a crust of fat. But in Russia things are not as bad as in many other developed countries.

Could you tell us a little about the future of graphene? Everyone has heard about his discovery, they are aware of your Nobel Prize, a lot is being said about the huge prospects for new material.

I am not an industrialist and a developer, I am a man who cuts through the jungle and is the first to pave the way for others. I do basic research and am not responsible for what can happen with applied research. Whether graphene will be used in the industry, whether it will be done by what ordinary people can feel, I am not responsible for it.

I have never had a dream to become a billionaire and open my own production. I am poorly educated for this, I have no incentives for this, no ardent desire to become a rich person, and others have. I'm professional.

But in order to justify all the other industrialists and developers, I must say that it usually takes 40 years to turn a new material from an academic laboratory into a commercial product. Graphene is only eight years old, people have become interested in graphene since 2007, and for several years now it has been in the industrial laboratories of the same Samsung, in a bunch of Japanese laboratories.

Over the past two years, everything slowly began to dissipate into various sentences. I have already seen a Lenovo mobile phone with a touch screen made from graphene: it is no different from the usual. This is currently a test copy. There is hope that it will be cheaper than current smartphones. There is a great hope that the side surface, which is not used in modern mobile phones, will also become a touchscreen. Japanese company Sony makes 100-meter graphene rolls. I know a company called Blue stone, they have the same task: to produce ten-kilometer graphene rolls for sale. The original goal is mobile phones.

Everything looks very optimistic and, compared to other materials, happens at the speed of light. Graphene has many titles. It seems that he deserves the title of the material, which is faster than others moved from science to the present production. It remains to wait a few years to see this material in commercial products.

It is usually considered that it is good for a scientist to open a direction or area in science. I am credited with creating three directions: gecko tape (superglue “according to the recipe” of geckos), graphene and diamagnetic levitation.

It seems that we have discovered a fourth area, which I have been doing for the last two years. It is completely new, but a bit like graphene. What is graphene: we pulled out a single atomic plane from a piece of graphite, learned how to measure it, learned how to handle it, learned how to do it. In the same way, we can disassemble two dozen other materials into separate planes.

Our new direction is a scientific discovery, because it was not clear whether this is possible or impossible. We take individual leaves of atomic thickness and fold them into new materials, building up layer by layer new materials.

Probably, any other person, if you asked him two years ago, would say that this is impossible. You can put separate leaves on each other, but they will be glued together with some kind of dirt. It seemed impossible to make them as clean as new crystals. It turned out that this is possible. A new paradigm - artificial materials built from separate planes that were pulled out or raised in this way. If graphene is a two-dimensional material - so much has been added, you can imagine a great opportunity to combine different materials and make different three-dimensional structures from a library of materials, which today consists of two dozen. It promises to be as hot and as productive as graphene. The minimum of what we can expect is that such structures built from separate planes will at least help graphene to be competitive in areas where it is slightly undershoot, and its combination with other materials can help.

Who knows what can happen when there is a completely new class of materials that do not have a thickness, their thickness is one atomic layer, less can not be imagined. Now we have a new class of materials that we can optionally add as a Lego. You can design everything you can imagine.

To make it clearer to people far from science: what can be created from these three-dimensional materials?

I often repeat the phrase that I can accurately predict only the past. I can give you an example that probably will not happen, but it can show you what kind of tricks you can do. There is a class of materials called high-temperature superconductors. 20 years ago there was a huge boom about this. We hoped to find room-temperature superconductivity, then the trains would start flying, the wires would start to be made from high-temperature superconductors. But this did not happen. In some place it became very difficult to raise the temperature of these materials - they reached the limit. We know that temperature depends on many parameters, and one of these parameters is how far the semiconducting planes are from each other. The farther away - the higher the temperature, but the farther away - the less stable the superconductors become.

This is a somewhat childish, naive question, but why not ask it. What will happen if we disassemble the superconductors, where this point happened, this insurmountable barrier, to make it suitable for temperature, disassemble it and insert additional planes there, we will collect another material, a modified material that will show a higher superconducting temperature.

For example, Zhores Alferov received his Nobel Prize for heterostructures, which are currently grown using a very limited number of materials. These are again layered structures grown layer by layer. On this principle, many lasers, LEDs, transistors, and the like. Even for this activity, heterostructures have been proposed to do them with atomic precision, which cannot be achieved with other technologies. What comes out of it, we will see, is what we are trying to do, this is just an emerging activity. The main ambitions in this area are to make new types of heterostructures with the best lasers, new types of transistors. For example, a graphene transistor, as is now known, is impossible. But a transistor using layered heterostructures, using also graphene, has recently been demonstrated by many groups.

Our designer, allowing you to add something from materials has expanded significantly. Of course, to superconductivity, which I said, too far. But such thoughts come to many groups around the world: create a layered material that nature can not create.

In your acclaimed article, you wrote that for the new industrial revolution, humanity needs an asteroid that threatens the Earth. But it turns out that a revolution in science is possible without threats from space ...

No, unfortunately, economics and science are disconnected from each other. Over the past 50 years, after the "cold and hot" wars have ended, humanity lives in very comfortable conditions. The brains in this comfort are covered with a thin layer of fat. Homo sapiens are not too rational animals that often repeat: "We want everything at once, today, and not through 50 years." Under this pressure, which we ourselves, without noticing it, create, reduced investment in science.

This, of course, is a stamp, but war and the military industry stimulated investment in science. The same satellites, the same flights to the moon were provoked by an arms race. Such a threat no longer exists. And what happened in the world? States invest less and less money in university and academic science, in basic research.

The same is done by the industry. The best way to raise the stock price is to publicly say that your company is closing a research lab. Over the past 20-30 years, IBM’s world-famous laboratories, medical laboratories in England, and many others have either closed or become engaged in specific developments that are not looking any further than three years in advance. And this is not the fault of the companies - it is just market pressure. Markets want as much income as possible, and not in 50 years, but in the next year. Those companies that have invested in 50 years in advance simply do not survive in this system.

Companies are now hoping that technology will develop in academic institutions and universities, but, unfortunately, the scale of such work is not the same. I spoke with company heads around the world. Some, of course, are not interested in what happens in science, they are only concerned about what will happen to them in a year or two. But there are companies that want something good big in 10-20 years. But even with these companies, it is impossible to cross the chasm that we ourselves have created between academic developments and technology.

Universities at a small level are developing, all at the level of individual laboratories; it is almost impossible to transfer such technologies to large companies. Small companies play some role. The function of small companies is to start development, and then be absorbed by large companies. But this is a very slow path. In graphene it is possible, these are new materials.

And some new breakthrough technologies, such as technologies of the cold "thermonuclear", are funded exclusively by the states, and the taxpayers of these countries are dissatisfied. Everyone is unhappy that they have not done anything so far. This is basic research, no one can predict whether they will be successful in 10, 20 or 50 years. But one of the biggest problems facing humanity is where to take energy. Oil is impossible to burn. And at the same time, the US congress says: “You promised us a controlled thermonuclear last year, but you didn’t meet the deadlines for the delivery of a controlled thermonuclear. This is a philistine attitude to science. If any comet threatened humanity, the psychology would change .
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  1. bask
    bask 6 June 2013 06: 45
    12
    Invited, came to cut down the attendants.
    I didn’t answer questions. Russia is on his drum. And domestic science is the same.
    In short, Cosmopolitan, where it is better to pay for it and it works !!!
    1. For the Motherland
      For the Motherland 6 June 2013 07: 11
      10
      In order to achieve certain success in a particular area of ​​human activity, one good salary is not enough. All who have achieved something, as a rule are idealists, and money and material well-being is a consequence of their success. This rule works in science, culture, art, business, etc. Andrei Game apparently achieved some success in his field, and as a result he was offered a good job and better conditions abroad. We don’t want our brains to leave, let's offer them ideal conditions here. By the way, he once said in an interview that the best education in the world can be obtained in our Fizkhtekh and neither Cambridge nor Oxford were standing next to each other. But in order to promote the idea in Russia, there is not enough talent and genius. And why waste time and energy to overcome our mess.
      As for cosmopolitanism in science, this is from the area of ​​why ours and American planes are suspiciously similar, but because they fly according to the same laws of physics.
    2. Petrovich-2
      Petrovich-2 6 June 2013 07: 12
      +3
      Invited, came to cut down the attendants.
      I didn’t answer questions. Russia is on his drum. And domestic science is the same.

      Pancake! You can’t say better!
      Who are we preparing personnel for abroad ???
      Although, what to expect from this?
      Andrei Konstantinovich, today ...

      Nobody called me Andrey Konstantinovich since childhood. I'm more often called sir, sir Andrew

      Sir Andrew, WHICH ARE YOU WORKING FOR ???
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 6 June 2013 07: 27
        +5
        I also wanted to quote the words of the "democrat":
        Nobody called me Andrei Konstantinovich since childhood. I am more often called Sir, Sir Andrew or Andrey, even Russian students call Andrey.
        I think he gave himself away with giblets, his identity and essence. And apart from Zhores Alferov, at the moment I do not see other candidates. And the question in this case is not about age and physical training, but in patriotism itself, which Alferov has more than enough for one person. The patriot of the country should lead science, as Lomonosov did in his time (though Lomonosov and the Germans broke their noses about physical training, but he is Lomonosov, but the time is different now).
        1. fzr1000
          6 June 2013 09: 15
          +4
          Forts not a patriot or what? Or do you know nobody except Alferov?
      2. fzr1000
        6 June 2013 09: 19
        +2
        To science. Do not you understand?
      3. Rink
        Rink 6 June 2013 11: 15
        +1
        .... to support Minister Dmitry Livanov, who came under fire, in particular, he participated in a meeting of the Public Council under the Ministry of Education and Science and became its honorary chairman.

        They sent to support special agent Livanov.
        The destruction of the Russian school and science is a priority for the United States on our territory. This would allow them to prevent the appearance of the following versions of modern competitive weapons (S600 air defense systems, T60 fighter aircraft, etc.)

        When we launched the satellite, Eisenhower and Kennedy said that the Russians won the space race not at the missile range, but at the school desk. When I lectured at an American university in 1970, I was struck by the extremely low level of American students in the 1-2 courses. Now, when I hear the answers of some students in the exam, I'm already amazed in the other direction.

        From an interview with Zhores Alferov, Nobel Laureate
        17.05.2013
        http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/reports/view/80054/


        Here is their goal: the stupid Russians will not be able to confront the threats of our time - come and take it with your bare hands. Activities to destroy education will affect 15-20 years after its inception. First, there will be a shortage of trained personnel, then the level and speed of development of modern technology will decrease. And when the generation studying in the old school retires, the technological breakthroughs of Russian science will disappear, and the growing lag will begin until Russia (and Ukraine, in our education is the same) has slipped to the level of Papuan.

        Livanov works with a very distant sight.
        1. Ataman
          Ataman 6 June 2013 15: 32
          +1
          Sarandrew came to defend Livanov and does not know the word "kickback". I think Livanov will explain to him ...
    3. Denis
      Denis 6 June 2013 07: 27
      +7
      Mostly they left earlier, mainly because of working conditions, young specialists had their own laboratories in the West with any equipment, they could easily realize any of their discoveries - regardless of what the professors' retirees would say, in Russia at that time there was a chance of realizing their ambitions in science, there was practically none. Thank God everything is changing.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 6 June 2013 08: 36
      +2
      Quote: ....
      Keep in mind that I flew to Russia at my own expense.


      I suppose the sale of cheap tickets hit the Promotions from British Airways
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 6 June 2013 12: 01
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        I suppose the sale of cheap tickets hit the Promotions from British Airways

        No, I became a hundred millionth passenger and the ticket went for free. smile
    5. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 09: 28
      +6
      With "grandmas" he is already all right. His research interests, and the fate of science in Russia too.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 6 June 2013 13: 17
        -3
        Quote: fzr1000
        With "grandmothers" he is already all right. His research interests, and the fate of science in Russia too

        It is unlikely that he came with a certain purpose to support Livanov. And to support Livanov is to support Fursenko and the collapse of our education and science.
        So Sir Andrew, and he is already Andrew, and no one else, just fulfills the task assigned to him.
        Why is it he? It’s also simple. A person in scientific circles is a well-known person, a Nobel laureate, and even a native of Russia.
        Alas, there is no respect ....
        1. fzr1000
          6 June 2013 13: 30
          +5
          Firstly, a person can be mistaken that there is no supply to accuse him of corruption. Secondly, he speaks respectfully of the current President of the Russian Academy of Sciences. So Fortov also hires the West and ruins our science?
        2. avt
          avt 6 June 2013 13: 46
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          He came for a purpose, to support Livanov. And to support Livanov, this is to support Fursenko and the collapse of our education and science.

          And let's remember what the newly made laureate said, when the Skolkoliada had just begun, and the manager joyfully broadcast that now all the flags are to us. Do you remember? That they say how much money don’t make a fuss, and the cheese didn’t give a refusal to work in the former homeland. However, there were arguments and someone was able to propose something. And lo and behold! laughing That's when he will talk about graphene - I will listen carefully with bated breath trying to comprehend, but for life - fire him.
          1. fzr1000
            6 June 2013 13: 51
            +7
            And what, he was wrong? So far, there are more scandals and criminal cases in Skolkovo than inventions. And the vile hirelings of the West also say, like Alferov and Kapitsa, that it was necessary to finance the existing science cities. Strange, huh?
            1. avt
              avt 6 June 2013 14: 22
              0
              Quote: fzr1000
              And what, he was wrong?
              When? When did he speak immediately after the award or when, contrary to his statement, did Livanov come to rescue? Well, I want to ask - when was this cheese more frank? It seems to me right after the presentation of the prize and not now. Well, my attitude to this is in the previous comment, read it to the end.
              1. fzr1000
                6 June 2013 14: 28
                +2
                Or maybe he still understands something in scientific research when he says so (about the invitation to Skolkovo)? Or do you refuse him that? Have not you thought?
                He came to support Livanov, not to save. Only Medvedev, or Putin, can save Livanov from resignation. And Livanov, by the way, for some reason suited everyone at the top, until he began to promote the topic of fake or purchased dissertations among those in power.
    6. avt
      avt 6 June 2013 10: 42
      -4
      Quote: bask
      Invited, came to cut down the attendants.
      I didn’t answer questions. Russia is on his drum. And domestic science is the same.
      In short, Cosmopolitan, where it is better to pay for it and it works !!!

      Also offended laughing In general, science, especially fundamental science, is a way to satisfy curiosity at the state, less often private, expense. Well, the statement that Skolkovo "did not work out, or there, Rusnano", as always, generally characterizes him as an ignoramus in matters of politics and modern, human values. "It would be better if the popular programs were conducted a la" Obvious incredible "benefit it would be much more than from the Public Council under Livanov. But for some reason the campaign does not sit in the European laboratory request Somehow annoying conspiracy laughing
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 6 June 2013 17: 46
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Also offended


        And forgive me! Are you an EXPERT? Why do you have any complaints to Livanov? How can you have something if you don’t know who is right there and who is to blame?

        And Lomonosov fought with his colleagues. And Einstein’s theory was not accepted by many venerable scientists. The people of such HE are a scientist. And not only among scientists.

        But are you a scientist?
        If yes, then - excusable.
        If NO, then - maybe for a bastard take a FOREIGN OPINION FOR = TRUE!
        and MORE THAN ON THE BASIS of this dubious quality of truth, to build your opinions about a person who knows more about THIS, for sure.
        1. avt
          avt 6 June 2013 18: 36
          0
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          And forgive me! Are you an EXPERT?

          In graphene? No, and if you read about what I wrote, and did not seek out just what is interesting for yourself to miss the objectionable, you would pay attention to the fact that he did not concern his academic degrees and scientific achievements and did not dispute claims to me as an expert - your glitches . So if it’s about zapadlo - then filter and don’t mark with a broom, and before presenting the horse to throw read someone else’s opinion from and to and don’t pull out of the context only what you want to make an angry answer. And it’s not about Livanov but about the Game, it’s in the comment to which you refer.
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 6 June 2013 19: 43
            0
            Quote: avt
            Do not pull out of context only what you want to make an angry answer


            Yes, I have a surprise! Everything here is a negative boom. But I don’t have anything for you. Sorry if offended.

            I did not delve into the negative. I'm in support here = fzr1000

            I saw he is ONE trying to reason that Game is to blame only because you want to pour your negative on someone!

            And about Livanov - Game is very well explained.
            There is no reason whatsoever, if you do not know the whole backstage, to judge.

            I repeat once again = we did not cook in this (in the scientific community, in the depths of the cuisine of this world).
            What he is talking about - Game.
            1. avt
              avt 6 June 2013 21: 37
              0
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              we did not cook in this (in the scientific community, in the depths of the cuisine of this world).
              What he is talking about - Game.

              request So actually there was no talk of science! Mr. Interviewer gives quite an account of administrative and economic issues, but here we are already given the objective reality given to us by the sensation. Besides, as I wrote earlier, I do not very faithfully believe in sincerity
              Quote: avt
              And let's remember what the newly made laureate said, when the Skolkoliada had just begun, and the manager joyfully broadcast that now all the flags are to us. Do you remember? That they say how much money don’t make a fuss, and the cheese didn’t unambiguously refuse to work in the former homeland. However, there were arguments and someone was able to propose something. And lo and behold

              Well, I'm such a suspicious person request and hike
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              Yes, I have a surprise! Everything here is a negative boom.

              this is not a negative, but wariness with distrust with a share of sarcasm. Here's something like that, no offense hi
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 6 June 2013 22: 17
                0
                ///// The opinion I heard from many people working in the RAS is that the academy is unremarkable, but the Ministry of Science is even worse. Maybe this point of view is fair, because no matter how bad or good academics are, they are experts or at least have been
                experts in science, they know the system well.
                An expert is much better than an official,
                who knew nothing about science
                and tries only for political reasons to lead her. This point of view is correct and must be respected. At the same time, one must realize that
                exist simultaneously as an executive and legislative branch
                in science - this is an exceptional situation,
                she stayed
                only in Russia, China and North Korea.
                Academy is a respected community
                , a respected club of people who have done something in science, who
                are experts.
                90% of western academics
                from the British Royal Society or the American Academy of Sciences
                would run like from fire
                if they were given
                the ability to distribute money,
                lead institutions and the like. it
                a club that should give advice to society,
                people, politicians, the state.
                Its function is advisory,
                and the status is high due to the availability of expertise on many issues.



                Many people at the Academy of Sciences want everything to remain the same. To change to the new, one must admit that the old is impossible. How to change the system, how to redo it, how not to create something worse than the existing monster ////

                Quote: avt
                Completely on administrative issues Mr. Interview

                ///// The Ministry of Science and the Academy of Sciences need to establish a new balance of forces, it is necessary to bring people from the Russian Academy of Sciences with the ministry .//////

                Quote: avt
                this is not negative, but wariness with distrust with a share of sarcasm

                Aaaaaaaa! Well, is it like screaming?
                Or make fun of?
                Well then, it is clear.
    7. Kapitanyuk
      Kapitanyuk 6 June 2013 11: 35
      +4
      Excuse me, but what's wrong with working where they pay better? He did not swear anything to anyone and owed nothing to anyone. Let it work where it’s more convenient and breadier.
    8. Nevsky
      Nevsky 6 June 2013 13: 14
      +1
      This is what all scientific forces and personnel have been thrown at:






      Even better shots, even better video quality, even more programs and applications. But essentially the same phone without a wire.
  2. fenix57
    fenix57 6 June 2013 07: 11
    -4
    "I am more often called sir ..."Excuse me, Peter Penn ... "I am the man who cut through the jungle ..."-That's the jungle, your place!
    HE DIES BEFORE!
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 6 June 2013 07: 29
    +3
    Cheerleader to be more profitable

    Oh well...
  4. cartridge
    cartridge 6 June 2013 08: 48
    +2
    A completely alien in spirit to Russia man.
    1. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 09: 30
      +3
      Aren't you a stranger? Stamps alone in the head.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 6 June 2013 13: 18
        -3
        Quote: fzr1000
        Aren't you a stranger? Stamps alone in the head.

        Better stamps than such advisers.
        1. fzr1000
          6 June 2013 13: 36
          +5
          Yes on .... such advisers, here they go, goats. Only for some reason, "they, in the West," are constantly publishing new research, conferences, the introduction of the latest achievements of science into life, and we have one idle talk and time ... And then we wonder where are the new night sights, where are our drones, where are guided munitions, where are the stable communications and its compact means, where are our microchips and LSD, where are the new small arms? And this is all there, but not with us.
    2. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 6 June 2013 13: 29
      +3
      Absolutely agree. Inventor with a flexible mind. A fan of his craft and, finally, a SCIENTIST. Absolutely alien.
  5. Xmypp
    Xmypp 6 June 2013 09: 02
    12
    No matter how, but in his words there is a truth. Let’s talk frankly, maybe one of us didn’t know that all sorts of “conceived” or “skolkovo” are sharags for disbursing funds, and doesn’t smell of any developments there? Yes, everyone understands this. And the issue of providing jobs and normal conditions for graduates of physical education has been resolved?
    You can scold anyone, but without changing your attitude to specialists of technical specialties, scientific staff, then you should not expect anything bright in the future.
  6. Svarog
    Svarog 6 June 2013 09: 08
    12
    The right thoughts were expressed by man. All who lice unsubscribed, have you even read to the end?
    PS And the fact that he works abroad is not his fault.
  7. Averias
    Averias 6 June 2013 09: 20
    +9
    Normal interview. But, but one feels that a person lives in the West, there is no "brightness" in his words. Yes, and static like that. He is not "ours" and it can be seen. He is busy with other issues (science) - and rightly so. A person does what he can and loves. About the "rollback" - he laughed. A vivid example of how they form their opinion about us. In general, not bad, but somehow not emotionally, to see the prefix "sir" to his name makes itself felt.
  8. dominion
    dominion 6 June 2013 09: 20
    -3
    And why did this guest worker come to us? Chose the "best share" in Britain? Well duck and sit there, chew a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies, which grateful bourgeois have brought you. And with the dirty trick Livanov, they will deal with us without you!
    1. urganov
      urganov 6 June 2013 15: 31
      +1
      Are you sure about the barrel and the basket? On YOU and not on you in principle. "How are you, the same attitude towards you."
      How do you sir remind me of "Sergei from Taganrog" (Nasha Rasha).
  9. Corporal
    Corporal 6 June 2013 09: 33
    10
    I am proud that this guy is from Russia. And he does not care about the feeding trough, but about the fate of mankind. Damn, when will Russia be able to provide acceptable conditions for the fruitful work of scientists?
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 6 June 2013 10: 42
      +5
      Quote: Efreytor
      I am proud that this guy is from Russia.


      Bravo, corporal!

      No, not everyone works a weather vane!
    2. Rink
      Rink 6 June 2013 12: 34
      0
      Quote: Efreytor
      And he does not care about the feeding trough, but about the fate of mankind.

      Each shoemaker should grind his boots, and the pastry chef should bake pies.
      If you are a physicist - there is nothing to get into politics, do your graphene.
      Okay, he would have been our physicist, and not an emigrant with experience - then at least he would have known the current state in our science and education not from the Western media.

      And so - the value of the opinion of this already stranger on this issue is close to zero.

      Regarding "providing acceptable conditions for fruitful work" of our scientists, think about it: the Soviet scientific school, the Soviet education system at one time was the most advanced in the world. This was also recognized abroad. Moreover, the speed of development was phenomenal. If in 1923 the country was in ruins, then by 1953 it was already an advanced power with nuclear technologies, and soon after that it was the first to master space and much more.
      Why should we change the system in the manner of the "Bologna" education system, if even the West already admits that it cannot withstand competition and does not meet modern requirements? Where can the education system lead, thanks to which a whole "generation of C grade students" has already grown up? Young people are not kidding with their "Albany" language - they just generally do not know how to write correctly! Nowadays typos in books, mistakes in magazine and Internet articles are commonplace. Moreover, even among those who have two higher educations. Recently I spoke with one holder of the degrees of "lawyer" and "economist". This is horror!

      And this is the time when they plant their progressive "Bolvan" system on us, the same Great Britain, recently decided to use the experience of the Soviet education system http://polemika.com.ua/news-104377.html

      Our scientists just need not to interfere, and they will figure out their own academy. Because everything where politicians intervene turns into rollback schemes ...
      And so - I have a feeling that they are simply trying to "move" those old people who still remember what the Soviet scientific school was like.
      1. fzr1000
        6 June 2013 12: 51
        +3
        Well, yes, if a person is an outsider, uninterested, although no, he is MI6 sold out to the Windsor house, everything has already been decided, but smart, then the value of opinion is negligible, if a stupid, careerist, but "his" and assent to the authorities and licks the ass, then we need such personnel and their opinions. Right way blah blah blah
        1. Rink
          Rink 6 June 2013 13: 31
          +2
          Quote: fzr1000
          ... but smart, the value of opinion is negligible ...

          I am generally surprised by this practice when, on some issues of great public importance, they begin to consult with all sorts of smart, but non-core figures, including scientists.

          I will explain my skepticism.
          Recall that in society there is such an average image of an eccentric scientist, obsessed with his some abstruse questions there, but completely not adapted to real practical life. Such an image is often confirmed by real biographies of various scientists, when these unconditionally smart and talented people in their field of knowledge fell into full trash, being pulled out of their office.

          It is explained easily. A person who devotes all his energies to science simply does not have the opportunity to delve into activities that are not related to him.

          Now imagine: they pulled such a clever physicist out of the office and let him ask how we should continue to live, and what is the purpose of life, and in general, how to ensure the harvest? How competent do you think his advice will be?
          I’m sure not so.

          And even in the field of the development of science itself, it would seem the direct activity of any scientist - not everyone is a capable manager. On the contrary, usually those who do not have very great prospects in science itself often become good managers. Therefore, even of those who cook in this juice every day, not every smart and talented scientist can become the same smart and intelligent administrator. It's one thing to be engaged in science, another is to work “with people,” as Zhvanetsky said.

          And even more so when a person knows the current situation very superficially - in this case even a smart scientist with administrative skills can only guess the right decision.

          Do you understand what I mean?
          1. fzr1000
            6 June 2013 13: 45
            +5
            Understand. You can and should consult with everyone. Even with the Jewish Freemasons, I guess. This is the collection of the information field. But the right conclusions and actions based on these data must be able to draw for yourself.
          2. fzr1000
            6 June 2013 14: 40
            0
            Ksati, Game, except for the question on Livanov, does not go anywhere in non-scientific topics. All his answers relate to science (even Skolkovo) and the prospects of scientific and technical progress.
          3. urganov
            urganov 6 June 2013 15: 39
            +2
            Drive, yes. But only the participants in this field of activity, for the management of which this management system is conceived, should decide the fundamental issues of building a management system.
            Nothing so brain-wrenching?
            1. fzr1000
              6 June 2013 15: 58
              -1
              You have not seen our (company) internal construction documentation. Nothing available.
              1. Rink
                Rink 6 June 2013 17: 57
                +1
                Quote: fzr1000
                You have not seen our (company) internal construction documentation. Nothing available.

                To defuse the situation.
                I’ll joke about documentation!

  10. shurup
    shurup 6 June 2013 09: 34
    +4
    The emissary’s arrival from the West of the Game to save Livanov means that the criticism of the latter is correct.
    Students need to learn a foreign language starting from kindergarten. Because selection of geniuses at this stage is impossible, then you need to teach everyone.
    And not spoken English, but classical Latin and Greek.
    You look and the rollbacks will go into pro-scription, and the townsfolk will leave the state of the zombie consumer.
    1. urganov
      urganov 6 June 2013 15: 43
      +2
      Oh well. Share information on "emissary". I would like to know the facts.
  11. valokordin
    valokordin 6 June 2013 09: 48
    +2
    Quote: dominion
    And we will deal with the dirty trick Livanov even without you!

    It’s time to figure it out, because he’s a dirty trick, like those that created Rusnano and Skolkovo, headed by Ryzhiy and Viktor Vasilyevich, they don’t have a bottom.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 6 June 2013 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: valokordin
      Rusnano and Skolkovo led by Red

      Speaking of Red, have you seen this? Look what the Auditors of the Accounting Chamber say am
  12. KBPC50
    KBPC50 6 June 2013 09: 52
    -1
    Well, if the SR then it would bring down to them. Usually, everyone who has their SRs really dislikes the peoples of Russia and Russia itself. HERE was learned HERE, and there from childhood would work a broom.
    1. antispam
      antispam 6 June 2013 12: 04
      +2
      Well learned, so what? Did he have to work for a penny and to bum?
  13. fzr1000
    6 June 2013 09: 58
    +7
    To everyone who unsubscribed in the "negative". This scientist did not say a bad word about Russia in an interview. The fact that "in the West" he is paid good money for his work, but not here, is it his fault, and not Russia itself? The fact that he supported Livanov is his personal position, has the right, and people know better from science what is happening in their spheres. The fact that he works in England does not make him "a guest worker, a rootless cosmopolitan, a traitor to Russia." Here, nobody needed his work. Maybe in Russia he was betrayed in some sense? Turn on your brains and do not think in slogans, but as at a rally. A man just works. And the fact that he was invited to the RAS Supervisory Board by people who are more competent than you and me in the field of science also speaks volumes. Think about it, otherwise you are full of anger for nothing, for nothing.
    1. shurup
      shurup 6 June 2013 10: 13
      +3
      You cannot recruit a scientist for money, even through his wife. But a scientist can be outbid by the terms of doing scientific work and world recognition of his name. Although the eyes there attitude to those who left here, as to those who came in large numbers.
      But, if I got on the hook - please work out what was spent on you, incl. emissary or agent of influence.
      Anglo-Saxons and Teutons are cunning before Jesuitism.
      1. fzr1000
        6 June 2013 10: 21
        +2
        And in our country (and everywhere) all the inventions in the defense industry are not the same "hook"? We didn't need it, but the British do. Now it's too late to drink Borjomi. In the end, he did not give super-weapons to the Anglo-Saxons.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 6 June 2013 13: 12
        +4
        "Outbid" is incorrect. More precisely, it does not reflect the essence of the process. Every person needs a tool for his work. A scientist can work only where he has an instrument. A real scientist doesn't care about his salary if he has something to satisfy his basic needs. He does not live here, but mainly in the world of reason, money does not go there ...
        Stalin left Kapitsa here, so first of all he gave him an instrument of his scale! Laboratory of appropriate equipment, the ability to communicate with a certain circle of colleagues (the USSR regularly took its physicists to world congresses, even though all their work was top secret, that was physics) and the absence of a "struggle for existence" - that is, it is not the scientist's business to play kickbacks. Under these conditions, scientists will still be with us. This instrument was not in his hands, he went to where he was given. What else could he do?
      3. Rink
        Rink 6 June 2013 13: 43
        +1
        Quote: shurup
        You cannot recruit a scientist for money, even through his wife. But a scientist can be outbid by the terms of doing scientific work and world recognition of his name. Although the eyes there attitude to those who left here, as to those who came in large numbers.
        But, if I got on the hook - please work out what was spent on you, incl. emissary or agent of influence.
        Anglo-Saxons and Teutons are cunning before Jesuitism.

        Scientists are people too, and there are a lot of different examples.
        At least the same Peter Ufimtsev emigrated and taught American stealth technologies.
        There are different people, many can take offense and shame.
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 6 June 2013 11: 18
      +4
      Quote: fzr1000
      Turn on your brain and don’t think in slogans


      SUPPORT!
  14. Serg_NSK
    Serg_NSK 6 June 2013 10: 17
    +3
    For Russian students, especially graduates of Moscow universities or, say, Novosibirsk University, the best universities will chase, they are the most competitive. If they are not at the highest place in the ranking, this is partly due to lack of knowledge of the English language, lack of knowledge of the Western system, and insufficient acquaintance at conferences.
    - in my opinion, a good assessment of the quality of our university education. Not that often our "democratic media" and oppositionists try as abundantly as possible, I apologize for the expression, to crap: a la the quality of Russian education is worse than in Africa, everything was stolen, and in general Russian education does not exist ...
  15. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 6 June 2013 10: 40
    +3
    Quote: valokordin
    led by Ryzhiy and Viktor Vasilyevich, they have no tires.


    With Ryzh, this is understandable!
    And who is VIKTOR VASILIEVICH - WHY DO I NOT KNOW?
    What is so special?
    ================================================== =====
    They took and overtook a person's potassium. For what?
    What did he do?
    The word is not said in unison with what is needed?

    Well PEOPLE !!
  16. individual
    individual 6 June 2013 10: 47
    -4
    What kind of Russian is he?
    He calls himself SER.
    He made a name for himself, received one playful, another prestigious scientific award.
    Arrived in Russiaproud to have paid for the flight himself.
    Supports Minister Livanov, as if for becoming the honorary head of the public council of the Ministry of Education and Science - an unnecessary mediator and lobbyist.
    C is high, as it should be used b / y, the Russian criticized Russia, as is customary at the same time and V. Putin.
    Mission over time home where they pay a lot.
    1. Rink
      Rink 6 June 2013 18: 04
      -1
      Quote: individ
      What kind of Russian is he?
      He calls himself SER.
      He made a name for himself, received one playful, another prestigious scientific award.
      Arrived in Russiaproud to have paid for the flight himself.
      Supports Minister Livanov, as if for becoming the honorary head of the public council of the Ministry of Education and Science - an unnecessary mediator and lobbyist.
      C is high, as it should be used b / y, the Russian criticized Russia, as is customary at the same time and V. Putin.
      Mission over time home where they pay a lot.

      Well said!
      PR action of the Nobel / Shnobel laureate in support of the unfortunate reformer Livanov.

      PS By the way, the Nobel Prizes have long been a political weapon, and since Sakharov's time they have often been used to give weight to dissidents. Not always, but often. And after the Peace Prize to "peacemaker" Obama, this award became somewhat ambiguous - don't you think?
  17. huut
    huut 6 June 2013 11: 05
    -1
    We found someone to ask about arranging science and education in Russia - the British sir!
    They will equip us ... the second great Russian.
    Moreover, he bluntly said that hell knows whether it is worth planting the Western in Russia (USE). And he criticized Skolkovo. What kind of "support" was provided to Livanov, apparently one should look for in his speech at the meeting, in the article it is practically absent.
    And the fact that even a schoolboy knows today that cataclysms give rise to progress. But it costs a lot - millions of lives. Those very lives for which he is engaged in science. Fat upsets him, you see ... So the alternative is blood.
    Although, I am not opposed to the cataclysm in Britain, let them progress, their scientists even welcome this.

    Progress in wars is the misfortune of mankind, and not an ideal way of development. From the point of view of one person. From the point of view of mankind - I do not know.

    He was so hit in science that he forgot that the man himself. But such people can also be driven into the castle in case of war; they will not stand on ceremony. Peace fat and touched him, as he argues, overman. Relaxed.

    Although, of course, such types were never the initiators of wars. They basically developed and nurtured them. Always started others ... sirs ...
    1. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 11: 15
      +2
      In my opinion, it is you who swam with fat, if you vomit such. Nothing personal. And "Sir" was given to him in recognition of his scientific talent, in this case it is foolish to refuse.
      1. huut
        huut 6 June 2013 11: 41
        -2
        Quote: fzr1000
        In my opinion, it’s you who swam with fat, if you belch out.

        But for some reason you did not write the rationale. Apparently they thought that I questioned his scientific achievements. You were mistaken, I'm talking about his social views.
        And read the history of the relationship between Britain and Russia. It’s not always necessary to take what is given, one has to look who gives and what, when and to whom. He chose his path, and this path is different than ours.
        And if he advises something on science and education for Russia, being himself a British sir, it is necessary to think a hundred times whether it is suitable for us, and not look with an open mouth at the "foreign lamp".
        Science is his, but the structure of the state is not. This is evident from his words. He has "universal", "superhuman" views. So listen to him better about graphene than about the Ministry of Education. I have nothing against graphene.
        1. fzr1000
          6 June 2013 11: 57
          +3
          His social views correspond to the standards of England or the West WHERE? Where did you read this in the article? The fact that you need to look for new sources of energy, oil is running out, that the socio-economic model is changing, that the consumer society is "killing" fundamental science and humanity is killing the Earth with its consumerist approach - is this causing a congenital dissonance for you? Is this an example of Western thinking? Or, is it still a model of thinking of a sane person? About the history of relations between Britain and Russia in the course. I am fond of History. And Game has something to do with it? He was NOT NEEDED here. And still he writes respectfully about our science, about our students. The fact that he was given "sir" is how he treats this with humor, and the students mock him in return. Is it really not clear from the article? And here about this all, I'm sorry, went to shit.
          Regarding the Unified State Exam, he honestly said: it is good in England, I don’t know in Russia. And again let him impute the "agent of influence". And this already smacks of paranoia. Many "talkers" - think about it.
  18. biglow
    biglow 6 June 2013 11: 32
    +5
    maybe man is cosmopolitan, like many scientists, but he understands the scientific component.
  19. agbykov
    agbykov 6 June 2013 11: 45
    +7
    You can’t get personal when there’s essentially nothing to say. A reduction in basic research and, accordingly, discoveries in our time are very disturbing facts.
  20. agbykov
    agbykov 6 June 2013 11: 49
    0
    Judging by the interview: a great scientist and a true patriot of Russia, who is not indifferent to what is happening here and is really doing something.
    1. huut
      huut 6 June 2013 11: 52
      -1
      Quote: agbykov
      Judging by the interview: the great scientist and true patriot of Russia

      In general, I have never seen there exactly Russian patriotism. And indifference can have different roots, from monetary, to entertaining.
      1. fzr1000
        6 June 2013 11: 58
        +1
        Just an abscess of the brain. Do not be ashamed or judge by yourself?
        1. huut
          huut 6 June 2013 12: 26
          -1
          Quote: fzr1000
          Just an abscess of the brain. Do not be ashamed or judge by yourself?

          I am critical of everything Western, for there is much evil from there to the country. Moreover, such evil is not obvious, secretive-creeping, which will come out sideways in ... years. I have nothing against the Western exact sciences and do not presume to judge at all.

          From the article:
          I decided to help him in the fight against windmills, which were built in the scientific environment of Russia.

          What mills he saw from Albion there still need to be sorted out.
          In my opinion, I clearly expressed my point of view: I am categorically against the frenzied, reckless gaze at "Western" people, as at the beacons of something. To question and criticize all their attempts to equip Russia (in this case, our science). And only if, after all the tests, these methods are recognized as suitable, then it is possible, we will have to admit. Critical assessment and thorough analysis and only then recognition.

          What's not clear? Already chewed up the point of view is nowhere to go. Where is some "abscess" here? What am I "spewing" here? Where do I urge him to kill, boil and eat at a meeting of the Ministry of Education along with his graphene? These are your ideas.

          From the article:
          In your sensational article, you wrote that for a new industrial revolution, humanity needs an asteroid threatening the Earth.

          This is where the main resentment (which you called "shit") was directed. Do you know what the meaning is? "What a pity that there is no progress in science. Oh, the meteorite would have us twitch." Science is more important to him than people, it turns out. Well, what ideas did he prepare for us after such an understanding? And such that they must be examined very carefully and critically before falling down.
          1. fzr1000
            6 June 2013 12: 35
            +3
            Demagogy. Science is more important to him than people .... ASTEROID IS AN EXAMPLE, ALLEGORY. Until the thunder strikes, the Russian will not cross himself. So is it clearer to you? Nice, I do not fall, but happy for A.K. I am proud of the game, as they wrote above here, that we are from the same country. It is strange that such simple feelings as the joy and pride of part of the forum participants are not available here. But then aggression, suspicion and just rudeness come out.
      2. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 6 June 2013 13: 32
        +4
        Now, if he said a set of cliches like "Yankee bastards, Russia is super, The whole world is in dust," - then he would be a patriot)) This site is loved.
  21. Dimy4
    Dimy4 6 June 2013 11: 56
    -3
    Quote: bask
    Invited, came to cut down the attendants.

    Yes, to peep if they have invented anything for us that in Russian, you can steal.
    1. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 11: 59
      0
      Duplicate. Just an abscess of the brain. Do not be ashamed or judge by yourself?
      1. agbykov
        agbykov 6 June 2013 12: 02
        +2
        Maybe it's just elementary envy?
        1. fzr1000
          6 June 2013 12: 38
          +2
          Let them choose what stuck them there ....
          Unfortunately, the level of many participants is slipping to the level of the movement "Nashi" and attendants at the entrance, hissing into the distance a beautiful girl's mini-skirt. I'm tired, let them live as they live.
  22. My address
    My address 6 June 2013 11: 58
    -1
    The interview is not about anything. Man understands physics and that's it. Alferov multifaceted.
    1. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 12: 00
      +1
      Well, you understand better than him and studied Alferov. simply.
      1. huut
        huut 6 June 2013 12: 42
        0
        Quote: fzr1000
        Well, you understand better than him and studied Alferov

        Well, of course, typical admiration. Of course, no one can understand something better than Game or Alferov. Especially here, on the warrior site.
        There’s nothing to talk about.
        1. fzr1000
          6 June 2013 12: 56
          +1
          I have nothing against our soldiers, and I am also proud of them. But when someone can say, without giving any arguments or his academic degree: "Alferov is cool, Game is nothing." This is no comment. Because it's stupidity.
    2. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 12: 43
      +1
      Yes, for me ... at least minus 100 put. Alferov, something just studied or in the process?
      1. huut
        huut 6 June 2013 12: 59
        0
        Quote: fzr1000
        Yes, for me ... at least minus 100 put. Alferov, something just studied or in the process?

        Invitation to the swara? I will reject.
        1. fzr1000
          6 June 2013 13: 03
          +1
          The question about Alferov was not for you. And swara went from the very beginning in the comments in the article. I have the honor.
  23. Umnichka
    Umnichka 6 June 2013 12: 37
    -3
    Geek. A man without a homeland in his heart. He is engaged in "pure" science, and you, plebeians, somehow solve your problems, survive somehow ... Carefully so - "is the Western system always applicable for Russia" - but death is for us. All thousands of years we have survived only thanks to the collectivist foundation, if everyone is for himself - and there is no Russia. It's disgusting to read this Nobel laureate. Sissy.
    1. huut
      huut 6 June 2013 12: 55
      0
      Quote: Umnichka
      Geek. A man without a homeland in his heart.

      Here, the person even sent "Game" scientific achievements to hell, for the sake of other goals. And there is a grain of truth, not just bare words. Science or life? Is life without science possible? And science without life?

      And in general, this is a very complex topic, which in the philosophical, which in practical terms, certainly not for comments.

      What's the point, what is he for the development of fundamental science? I, damn it, also FOR, hands and feet, and Livanov is hardly against it. Will Game develop it? He came, presided over, said about "consumerism", and left for a British lab ...
      Why should saliva be allocated in his direction? Authority? Of course, in science. The rest - well, there are certain views, like everyone else.
      1. fzr1000
        6 June 2013 13: 01
        +2
        That person is not far and not brought up. He speaks in cliches and slogans, therefore he has no opinion. Let him write. We have a free country.
  24. geptilshik
    geptilshik 6 June 2013 12: 56
    +6
    Yes, people, your patriotism is on the verge of psychosis
  25. huut
    huut 6 June 2013 13: 03
    0
    Well, you give)) Are you generally trying to understand what the comments are about?) Do you read EVERYTHING like that, superficially? Okay, I see, a serious conversation is not working. "Abscesses spew out patriotic psychosis" all over the place.
  26. fenix57
    fenix57 6 June 2013 13: 25
    +1
    Quote: fzr1000
    Aren't you a stranger? Stamps alone in the head.

    And I like "cliches" - about the family, about the HOMELAND, about what and who is OBLIGED TO! protect!
    Where does the MOTHERLAND-BORN IN THE USSR begin, TELL IT, OR "NIK" YOUR PRO .. AND I WILL NOT WILL "MAKE" THE PICTURE, MOTHERLAND !!! MOTHER !!!!
    1. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 13: 38
      +1
      Ask again, only in a normal and without capsule? I will answer.
    2. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 13: 53
      0
      Aw, your question is not clear.
  27. sedoj
    sedoj 6 June 2013 14: 00
    +1
    His self-esteem, of course, rolls over.

    And I never had and never had dreams of becoming a billionaire and starting my own production.

    And in my opinion - this is the main reason for his departure abroad.
    1. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 14: 08
      +3
      In 1990, he probably only thought about it. In the best case, he patented his invention and will have a profit from it. But the award was presented to him in 2010, so that the person spent 20 years researching. I think he deserves it. But for some reason, the majority on the forum is angry. As if he stole something from the budget of the Russian Federation. But all our "beacons of finance and production management" who are brazenly stealing billions of dollars and who have not created anything new are also annoying, but apart from Serdyukov, they are not particularly encouraged to hang anyone for a causal place. Although, the name of these figures is legion.
  28. Vtel
    Vtel 6 June 2013 14: 46
    0
    If “our” liberal vrihushka and embezzlers had at least a gram of a sense of conscience, then even entikh funds would be enough to support our science, but the point is that they have a different task according to Brzezinski:
    “If the Russians are so stupid that they try to rebuild their empire, they will run into such conflicts that Chechnya and Afghanistan will seem like a picnic to them.”
    “We have destroyed the Soviet Union, we will also destroy Russia. You have no chances "
    “Russia is generally an extra country.” "Orthodoxy is America’s main enemy."

    But even those who go to the Aglichans and the West work for them are not a patriot of Russia, he is already a patriot of the West who has tasted it. Although he is a Nobel laureate - Andrei Game, but what is left of the Russian is the question.
    1. fzr1000
      6 June 2013 15: 55
      +2
      You know, a person’s personality is formed until the age of 16. Therefore, since the Game received Soviet upbringing and education, with its self-identification this factor will have an impact throughout life. To what extent it is very individual. And about the amount of Russian-non-Russian here I can not answer you. How to measure it? How much of a Russian is in the same Serdyukov, but Alferov or Joff? And the killer Evsyukov, and Maria Sharapova?
  29. Normal
    Normal 6 June 2013 15: 14
    +5
    I do not understand....
    Of course, Game has somewhat naive ideas about Livanov, for example.
    Of course, Game is no longer a Russian person, and Pyotr Kapitsa was Russian and in bast shoes? Or maybe Landau was a homely Russian peasant? Yes, we had Lomonosov. Almost from a plow, or rather from an oar with an ax. But Lomonosov has been in Euro for more than one day ... sorry, it is customary to write on the site in "geyrope" (hello to all site champions of the purity of the Russian language and literacy) lived and studied. These people are citizens of the world, no matter how infuriated this phrase of hurray-patriots. Science, especially fundamental science, is the property of all mankind, unless of course we are the Yanomami tribe and not the Afghan Taliban.
    In addition to supporting Livanov, I did not see anything in the interview that would cause me to be rejected. Maybe I didn’t understand something, but the persecution and defamation of the Game under discussion is too much ...
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 6 June 2013 15: 57
      +3
      The explanation is probably a simple "mass" local rejection.
      If the difference in iq between the one being discussed and the one discussing more than 40, the discusser rejects the one being discussed wink
      And any arguments will be used:
      - not a patriot (but a condemning one - a patriot? Are they really - the RF’s benefit has brought great? Or so the fighting Internet hamster)
      - sir (received as recognition of his contribution to the development of mankind, as graphene is indeed the basis of many future useful technologies)
      - lives not here (1. in 90, 1-2 did not leave well settled here, or unclaimed scientists)
      - refused to go skolkovo (right - an honest man has nothing to do at the sawmill - he’s just a rotten name)
      - not here (he didn’t break science into 90 when all talented ones left)
      Well and of course the complexes - a young, overly successful (Nobel anyway), smart came. Behaves as he can afford - those are arrogant. It's a shame to most wink