Military Review

Cleansing with fire, or What is bad soldier with a prison past? ..

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Thought my old as the world, or instead of the preface


Not so long ago, the Moscow government "generously" announced its desire to help previously convicted, released from imprisonment, employment. This was even dedicated to the plot of one of the central television channels.

I don’t remember all the subtleties, but it was about the following: a person with a criminal record will not be able to get a management position, but they say he can work as a builder, nurse (nurse) or “even” as an engineer.

The prejudice against the people who have been imprisoned is, once again, downright astounding and annoying! Since the stumbled (it’s not yet clear whether all the circumstances were properly considered when the court imposed a punishment on him), our not-so-distant “office-trading” society stigmatized: “Convicted !!!” And yet none of “clean and unspotted "And does not try to think about the fact that people go to prison different and differently. It’s one thing - a hardcore criminal with five or six “walkers”, and quite another - for the first time, got “there” for theft or a fight (in which they didn’t establish his role, maybe the unfortunate defended himself - this is something our justice doesn’t like to understand ). Where there! One has only to talk about people who have been behind bars, how stupid glamorous young ladies exclaim: "But they are murderers, rapists!" And I want to say: "Who told you, fools! You actually read the criminal code? “Do you know why a person can be there ?!”

However, I apologize to the readers for such a long introduction. I hope that girls belonging to the above category will not be among them. So, my thought is very simple and as old as the world - why not start the correction and re-education of people who have committed crimes through service in the army? Immediately, I would like to make a reservation that I propose to use both former and serving prisoners (for more details on this below) prisoners not in business or construction units, but in the most fighting ones!

ABOUT! I already have a premonition of how big the "liberas" who read my article up to this point will raise ... "This madman offers to give yesterday’s murderers and rapists weapon! He wants our death! ”- they howl. Well, let them howl, and I'll move on.

Which prisoner can become a soldier?

Firstly, not rapists, definitely! Those who "earned" such an "unpleasant" article in general still have to prove their right to continue to exist! So I propose to consider this question as closed. As for the killer, the killer - the murderer is different. Again, there are hired killers (which we denote by the English word killer, but I hate to clog a truly GREAT AND MIGHTY RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, and therefore I will write, if possible, without using borrowed words). There are domestic murderers who have deprived the life of their drinking companion (or drinking companion, worse when just their own household). But after all, there are those who motivated the bastards, who did not get full, thanks to "the most humane court in the world." In addition, in our criminal law there is the concept of "murder through negligence." And here I am absolutely nothing against re-education through military service and the war of the last two types of murderers.

Secondly, no one says that people who have just replaced a prison uniform for camouflage will immediately be given a weapon, as well as with live ammunition. In order to avoid all sorts of misfortunes in this sense, I propose that the commanding staff of the units, staffed by yesterday's prisoners, form an unusual one.

And now about everything in more detail. To begin with, far from every inhabitant of places of deprivation of liberty can be taken to the army. First of all, here it is worth paying attention to juvenile offenders serving sentences in educational colonies.

According to statistics, it is they, the “youngsters”, who “rewind” one term, continue their way “along a slippery slope”. Therefore, it is very important to nip the very possibility of such a future in the bud. And it does not matter that the juvenile prisoners have not yet fulfilled their 18 years for military service. Let us remember that after the failure of the campaign against Russia (and there could be no other outcome), Napoleon called for the army and did not reach adulthood. In 1813, they are 16-17-year-olds, and in 1814-m it has reached 15-year-olds. Of course, 15-year-olds are an obvious brute force, but a great commander can take such a step (and he is still great, we will not argue with this, not everyone will be able to organize an assault on the fortress in 24, and to command no more in 27 no less - the whole of Italy) decided from complete hopelessness. But in 16 years, many adolescents are already moving into the category of fully formed young men, who in their physical indicators are not inferior to other 20-year-olds. By the way, at the head of the army of 16-17-year-old soldiers, Napoleon defeated the coalition forces several times in 1813-m until he defeated him in the “Battle of the Nations” at Leipzig. So do not forget that they broke something "number": 300 000 soldiers had allies against the 120 000 French!

I already have a premonition of another attack of the “righteous howl” from all the same “liberas”, they say, to take on the service of minors - this is a violation of the rights of not just a person, but almost a “child”! Well, I immediately parry a possible blow. And placing a teenager (sometimes just 14 years old) for barbed wire, inadequate sleep, food, hard labor, beating from bumps, bullying by the prison authorities, and finally, also a disciplinary detention center (DIZO) is not a violation rights of a teenager, almost another child? And for what? - For some burglary, be it three times wrong! Oh well, if the theft, and if the murder is in a state of necessary defense (in this case they should be relieved of responsibility, but believe me, in our courts an acquittal verdict, and even in the case of a corpse, it is extremely rare). Yes, many readers may not know who such "bumps". Will explain. This is the foremen in educational colonies. As a rule, from among those who collaborate with the authorities and for that left there until 21, although, as a general rule, in 18 years, convicts from the “nursery” are transferred to adult colonies.

Now strain your imagination and imagine a picture. An officer arrives in an educational colony, and several pupils from 16 to 18 years are summoned to him, with whom he managed to work hard. All guys have an unenviable past: the period from 5 to 10 years, and they sit much more than half. And the arriving officer suggests: “Right now (tomorrow or the day after tomorrow) I am taking you to another place. There in a couple of months you will be made of "cons" by real soldiers. There will be no washing of kilometers of floors, no beatings, no lock-up, no hard work at all. You will learn to work with weapons, run, jump, fight, survive in different conditions. And there will be a clean bed, hot shower, excellent food, a full sleep on 8 hours a day, and on weekends (they will be strictly on 2 a week and holidays too) - sleep without restrictions and a table with different sweets. Arrival of parents is also possible. And for this to happen, you only need your consent. Oh yeah, I completely forgot, 3, of impeccable service, and you can go home. You will receive your salary from the very first day of service. But remember, one puncture: an unreasonable fight, theft from a bedside table at a comrade, non-execution of the order of the commander - returning “to the zone”, and you do not double your serving time! ”Isn’t this turn of events much more human?

Personally, I’m just sure that everyone who has been called up for such a conversation will not just agree, but from joy to the ceiling will jump!

However, speaking of "youngsters", I just propose to pay special attention to them, as the most, in my deep conviction, suitable contingent. The latter does not mean at all that it is necessary to abandon adult prisoners or from those people who have already served their sentence, but this label has a terrible "conviction" in our stupid society.

Of course, in the case of adults, emphasis should be placed on the general regime, i.e. tried for the first time. But since our legislation for a number of crimes provides for the imposition of punishment while serving in a strict regime colony, even if a person appeared before a court for the first time, then you should not give up on those who are “on the strictest”. In certain cases, it is possible to give an opportunity to “be cleansed by fire” and twice, and even three times convicted. Anyway, the approach must be purely personal.

I would point out just a few general rules. First, I repeat, those convicted of rape and similar nasty crimes cannot be considered in any way. Secondly, it is not necessary to disguise from the prison robe into military uniform and the so-called "offended" or "omitted". I really hope that these lines will not be read by children or the faint of heart, and nevertheless, I must explain these concepts. We are talking about people over whom sexual intercourse was forcibly committed in prison. Why are they not suitable? - Yes, because their will is already broken in most cases, and for the soldier there is nothing worse. Thirdly, I would not advise taking those who, thanks to the cooperation with the prison authorities, managed to acquire a “cushioned little town” “in the zone”: a caretaker, a librarian, a dining room manager or a clerk. Podlisam, sycophants, opportunists and serfs have no place in those special units, where you should use yesterday's prisoners! Yes, they are unlikely to agree, because they are in relatively tolerable conditions, allowing them to live peacefully until the end of the term, and more often to earn parole. And vice versa. Daring, unwilling to work, the violators of the regime and the regulars of the punitive or disciplinary detention center in the case of juveniles (SHIZO and DIZO, respectively) are suitable! Yes, they will require more attention, yes, perhaps they are dangerous ... But! It is daring and willingness to disobey the laws of a knowingly unjust world that are indispensable qualities for a fighter! A negative attitude, you just need to send in the right direction - against the enemies of the Fatherland!

Finally, in the divisions described by me, you should not take people with higher education from the colonies. Why? - Yes, simply because now we are talking about the service as a private, and I am a categorical opponent of a person with higher education serving as a private. At least in order to avoid conflict with younger commanders, whose level of education is almost always lower than higher education. By the way, prisoners with rare and simply demanded technical specialties (and also linguists) can be offered a service in the order of correction by officers. But such a question should be discussed separately. I promise to write about it, but not here and not now.

Re-education begins or forms the first "special" company

I will tell you about the means by which a person who got from prison to the army, in my opinion, can be successfully re-educated. Here we must first understand why the time he was "behind the thorn", most often returns there again. And the reasons are. First of all, even at large, yesterday’s "sitter" often has to perform heavy and low-paying work, similar to the one he did in prison. The attitude towards him does not change, remaining at liberty as bestial as it was on the part of the prison authorities. He only hears from everywhere (when there is a whisper, and when there are shouts): "He was convicted, he was in prison, and he is a criminal ...". About and without any reason about the label, the family and relatives will remind the person, and the employer (if the newly released person is employed at a job) - at any opportunity! The latter, even in the case of a fair and fully justified dissatisfaction with a previously convicted worker with working conditions, will not fail to say: “Yes, rejoice that you have been taken at all! I pay you so much. Mind you, we have - the first candidate for departure! ”Ow! “Liberasty-human rights activists”, try, disprove me!

Finally, there is a third reason. A man (especially young) who has come out of the prison gates is full of anger. He is angry with the court that put him in jail (albeit quite justifiably), angry at the prison authorities who mocked him, angry at society, at the state, etc. And "let off steam" is a must. And so that this very “steam” does not “burn” again innocent people, why not let it into the “pipe”, again aimed at the enemies of the Fatherland?

As for the first two reasons, shooting and hand-to-hand combat is still much easier to dig ditches, unload cars or clean floors and dishes. I am not even talking about how much nicer such an occupation is, more interesting, and most importantly with such an occupation, the future is there! After all, you can become a sergeant, and if you have a head on your shoulders, then later - an officer! Sorry, I run a little ahead. But the most important thing is not even that. In the units where yesterday's prisoners will serve, commanders are simply obliged to treat them HUMAN.

Gradually, I came close to covering issues directly related to the performance of yesterday’s prisoners of military service.
Naturally, I do not propose to immediately form an entire regiment staffed with similar personnel. But who prevents to start with a company. In this case, it will be quite easy to reassure our powers. After all, security measures can be the simplest - to place this company in the immediate vicinity, which is called - behind the fence, divisions to them. Dzerzhinsky. What new soldiers, arrived for service, to notify.

And now I’ll focus on what the command staff should be. First, the company itself. Probably, there are three main requirements: a person who perfectly knows military affairs, a commander who not only knows everything himself, but also knows how to teach a soldier intelligibly, as he proved at his previous duty station, and finally, the most important thing is HUMAN! I would even say kind, modern “Suvorov”, a real “father to the soldiers”, which is also confirmed by stories from previous duty stations. And the stories are not bosses, you must find the soldiers who served in his platoon or company! But with regard to the superiors, our company officer can be anything. It is not required at all that it should be an exemplary officer, ready to "click heels." Rather, on the contrary, for the command of such a unit, independence is needed, the ability to make decisions, without hesitation, and even the ability to argue and defend their point of view.

Secondly, for a company with similar, not the simplest personnel, a deputy commander for political and educational work (hereinafter the deputy commander) is required without fail. His main task is not just maintaining discipline and order, but finding a way to the hearts of yesterday’s “cons” disguised as army camouflage. Well, and help the commander in building relationships with subordinates. Therefore, it requires not a professional military man, but a person who has passed through prison! Yes Yes. And the past as a convicted person. But! Who managed, after serving a sentence, independently take the path of truth. It is also understood that such a political commander could serve only once, and on the outside after leaving prison he should live for at least 5 years, and better - all 10. Here it is just very desirable to have a higher education (any, and it’s just great if the person received it after the colony), but secondary technical is also acceptable. In the latter case, I would like the deputy politician to have time to work on the leading (again, any) position. A number of demands are also made to the political officer as to private soldiers who have just been “pulled out” because of the grille: it should not be “offended”, and the crime committed by it should not be from the category of vile (it’s vile, it’s necessary evaluate not by formal severity, but in fact). But in the case of the political commissar, it is not necessary that while serving his sentence he was a kind of “thug” or violator of the regime. If a person meets all the above indicators, but will not have any idea about military affairs (by the way, he may not serve in the army before), it is not a sin to arrange for him a training course lasting from three to six months with mandatory assignment officer rank (not lower than lieutenant). Now indignations from professional military can fall down. Like, as it is, courses for one person! For now, just say, take my word, it will justify itself. Finally, the age of the political officer. Well, let's say, no more than 40 years.

Thirdly, the three platoon commanders of the first such company should be the same as the company commander of the regular officers. It is clear that the platoon is, by definition, a young, just a novice officer. Therefore, here the same requirements as for the company are simply impossible. Let us just dwell on the stable knowledge obtained in the school, and again on the HUMANITY of these officers. Well, since our company is not at all simple, it is quite permissible to take convicted officers as platoon officers in the order of correction. Fortunately, yesterday's officers are sitting in our separate colony, it will be easier to search. Do I have to say that not for all crimes? - I think all readers have long understood this. I will give a couple of examples: it could be an officer convicted of a fight (including answering with a fist, in general, for a case that inked the “boss”) or, say, an officer who suffered the fate of Colonel Budanov. You can offer to command a platoon in our company and officers who have been sentenced in the form of restrictions on military service. But theft (especially, robbery or robbery) - for the officer is already an undesirable article, not an officer's business - to steal. Upon arrival at the duty station, the platoon platoon servicemen, who were freed from the colony for this purpose, should immediately (on trust) be restored to their former military rank. But the responsibility, in case they fail to justify the trust, awaits them much more serious than the rank and file. However, the responsibility - further.

Finally, fourthly, junior commanders or branch commanders should be recruited from free people, but previously convicted, as well as zampolit. In order to "not spread the thought on the tree," I will say that all the other requirements placed on them are the same as for the political officer. The only difference is in education. For sergeants, Youngcombs enough and complete average. Just as in the case of zampolit, the availability of fixed-term service is not required, to fill the shortcomings of military knowledge for future sergeants, you can arrange short-term courses (not 3-6 months, as for the political officer, and 1-2 a month, and enough).

I did not begin to describe our company with commanders. The command staff must be fully prepared a month or two before arriving at the location of the rank and file. So that by the time of arrival the soldiers and officers, and sergeants, had time to meet. For the company to have time to determine the advantages and disadvantages of each of them. In addition, prior to the arrival of soldiers, a company firm should have an exclusive right: to refuse any commander and demand his replacement. This right of the company extends decisively to everyone: from sergeants to the political officer. Already during the training of the soldiers, the commanders are simply obliged not only to learn how to carry out all the orders of the superior, but also to trust each other without a shadow of a doubt.
Further, ordinary, yesterday's prisoners arrive at the location of the company. And from the very first second, from the very first construction, in the very first words of their company and the political officer should make people understand that in front of them are not enemies or torturers, but those who sincerely want to help them. Any intimidation is simply unacceptable! All sent to the service, the responsibility had to warn more officers recruiters in the colonies. And if someone from the newly-baked soldiers suddenly had to remind them again of the possible consequences (which is highly undesirable, the conversation should be an adult: they said - understand it the first time), then only in a personal manner.

The first two weeks are generally worth devoting to a greater degree the study of future fighters. Light physical exercises are possible in the morning, drill, sometimes (but not so that it becomes a mockery) - working out of the climb on anxiety. After lunch - theoretical lessons. And here (at first) titanic work will have to be carried out by the political officer, because the front-line commanders will be engaged, in general, in a familiar and simple task. And in the shortest possible time he needs to get acquainted with each of the fighters, have time to talk heart to heart, to understand who is breathing and what. The main thing is that he should do everything possible so that people understand: they did not go from prison to prison, but build a new life, their life, and this is necessary, first of all, for them.

Gradually the load should increase. By the decision of the company, somewhere after two or three months of training, you can proceed to work with military weapons. I will not write in all details what and how it is worth teaching "recruits from behind the bars." Let me just say that the commanders and the political officer will need thoroughness and patience. Maybe I am an incorrigible dreamer, but I think that half a year is quite enough to "fashion" real soldiers even from such personnel.

Battle baptism or the cleansing of "dark" fire

And now let's move on to the use of fighters with a "dark past." Of course, you have to be a complete idiot to do such a daunting job, as I described above, and then send these ready-made soldiers to dig beds, lay bricks, or simply “drag service” in distant garrisons, say, in Yakutia. Of course not! I propose to form such units (and in the future, parts or even compounds) for use in combat conditions.

Well, now one of the readers in my mind will ask me a stupid question: “And what about us, war?” I will answer how the old Odessa: “And what, no ?!” Yes, we always have war. The question is, small or large. Such is the fate of our GREAT, and therefore long-suffering country. We always fight! And we will fight. We have a lot of land, but not so many people ... That’s why the whole world looks at us with our tongue sticking out, swallowing drool. I apologize in advance to people who think that they have to be so distracted and carry out an “educational program”. But some, alas, are needed ...

Well, now we really do not lead a big war (and thank God !!!), but small foci are everywhere. We will not list, here "educational program" already unnecessarily. And here I can no longer be asked a stupid question: “Well, after all, there are special forces: Alpha there, Vympel ... There are internal troops. There is, finally, an army, what are they for? ”- Yes, I do not argue. But special forces for special tasks. And the internal troops and the army are conscripts, there are contract soldiers, I do not argue. But the country should keep them (first and second) in case (God forbid, God forbid!) A big war. And send such guys to the “hot spots” so that they would die there in a formally peaceful time ... Do you not feel sorry for them ?! And the special forces are not sorry?

That's all ... I expect an attack of "righteous" howling not only from "liberastov" anymore! “Yes, this idiot offers companies from yesterday’s criminals how to use cannon fodder! Yes, he did everything and led to the fact that no one regrets these people! ”- accusations will fall to me. I, so that you know, it is generally a pity for all our people, except, perhaps, the most disgusting rapists, pedophiles, “representatives of minorities” and their ilk. And the death of one Russian person for me is the most terrible tragedy !!! But one thing is when a guy is simply called into the army for the duty to give back to the Motherland and is sent to the same Georgia. Meanwhile, he owes nothing to our Motherland! And nothing wrong. But yesterday's prisoner knows what he is sitting for (knows, believe me). And for him service is an opportunity to find a good name again. Once and for all erase the past. For this you can and try, and you can go under the bullets.
You can ... But do not! During the six months of training, about which I wrote, people can be taught not to die beautifully, but to live and win. But after all, ordinary soldiers are taught. - I agree, they teach. But ordinary soldiers do not have that audacity and, let's call it that, a necessary battle anger, which is more than enough from former prisoners. And if we add to this the consciousness that the complete service will be followed by a complete cleansing from all previous sins? In addition, many representatives of the underworld have downright irreplaceable qualities in war. Just for a second, imagine how useful the skills of the thief are, the “forchnist” or the “bearskin”, when storming the same fortifications of the enemy. There is another very important feature: people who have been in difficult conditions, but who have not broken down, have a much higher desire to survive and win than those who sat at their desk just before dinner a year ago, and then went home to his loving parents .

Conclusion: the soldiers described by me “with a dark past” in any war will benefit, as compared with the usual ones called “from will”!

So, after the first 6 months of service (maybe 4's, life will show), our company is ready for business. Well, from a large-scale war, the skies still keep us, so you can start from the same Caucasus. For example, to instruct our fighters to start a deep "sweep" of mountain villages in order to find and free Russian slaves. I hope no one will argue that there are more than enough of such “proud mountain eagles” in the villages. And since our guys are already prepared, then after several successful operations on the territory of Russia, it is possible to undertake a raid in Svaneti (this is in the north of Georgia, for those who do not know). More than sure that from there they will bring not one and not two Slavs, already losing hope in the chains. And they will be able to do everything quietly and quickly. Again, the thieves' skill will be to help the soldiers.

In general, after several combat operations, the unit will need rest. There is already a selective way to release the guys in the dismissal. I did not write, but I hope everyone understands that being in location, the commanding staff (including sergeants and political officer, also from the “former”, but already “from will”) may initially have the right of free exit to the city. Well, and after the first one, let's say, “warheads”, everything has already been verified, to a certain extent everyone can be trusted, and therefore it is not a sin to let them relax.

And then already boldly apply our company in all emerging “hot spots”, both in the country and abroad. And there are such places around the world today: both Kosovo in Serbia and Syria for you ... To conclude an agreement with the governments of these countries on rendering limited military assistance, and to “run in” the unit further. But just to immediately agree that they (the authorities of these countries) do not put our guys in the trenches, but use them for raids on the enemy’s rear, for a lightning breakthrough, etc. Well, so far, of course, from the field of “antiscientific fiction”, but what the hell is not joking? ..

At the end of the 3-year service life

When I first began my story about how, in my opinion, a set of prisoners should go to the service, I mentioned that the lifetime for them is set to 3 of the year, remember? So imagine, hitting from the "zone" in the army, a person will go through thorough military training for six months, and then also get two and a half years of combat experience. Agree, by the end of the term of service, he is already so “saturated with” the army that the prison is in his mind, if left, somewhere very, very deep. And yet, this person will understand perfectly well that according to all prison “concepts” (if “Martians” suddenly appear among my readers, I explain, “concepts” are unwritten internal laws of prison life) a return to jail is extremely undesirable. In order not to answer the question: “Why?”, I immediately suggest to all those who have it to read about the “bitch war” or, in general, how they took in the camps all the “cons” who had the “happiness” to go through the Great Patriotic War (hereinafter VOV).

Of course, if someone from the soldiers of our company, having served the required three years, does not wish to continue to “pull the strap” - this is his personal decision, which the state must understand and accept. It is imperative that the state be extremely honest with people who have literally cleansed their name with blood. Definitely, any data on their criminal record, stored in the main information center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or local information centers (GIC and CI, respectively), is subject to immediate destruction! Moreover, I propose to destroy the personal file of each of these already completely restored people in his personal presence. Suppose you burn, showing the man the cover (only the cover so that he would believe), right in the office of the company. And, if the already gallant soldier refuses to offer to continue the service, the company and zampolit should shake hands with him, thank him for the service and sincerely wish a happy and long life! In the military card, every soldier who wishes to leave “for the citizen” will be recorded that he served a year on conscription and two more on contract. If the former prisoner has already managed to serve an "urgent", then a three-year contract service should be recorded. It is possible to transfer to the reserve of such already experienced soldiers not ordinary soldiers, but, say, junior sergeants or sergeants. As a result, a person receives complete freedom, passes on all documents that have never been tried before (I forgot that we must also destroy all other documents indicating his past: the record of the court session, a copy of the sentence, a criminal case, etc.) , and can still enjoy all the benefits, as a participant in hostilities. The “dark past” cannot serve as a basis for refusing him state awards if the company officer considers the fighter worthy of awarding. And the rewards are an opportunity to enter a university without a competition, and the right to apply for an apartment, and much more ... If possible, those who come to our company from the educational colony should also be given an opportunity to complete during the service complete secondary education. Why not? Is it really not enough for three years for a person to go to the program of the last two classes of secondary school during his free time for missions and military studies?

We can not say about the exceptional circumstances. If a fighter of our company is seriously wounded, because of which he cannot continue to serve, he becomes free and cleansed of his “dark past” immediately, right in the hospital. As if he served all three years. Moreover, the state draws up his disability and appoints a pension. No matter, in the first battle this misfortune happened, or later. Well, if a soldier dies in battle, then in addition to a complete post-mortem purification, a pension is granted to his parents (of course, in the case when his parents brought him up).

And one more privilege. Already said that our justice is far from perfect. So, if on the day of the end of the service in our company, one of the fighters suddenly says that they condemned him illegally, and in fact he was not guilty, then the state will also have to pay him the services of a lawyer an infinite number of times used all the possibilities to be, albeit backdating, justified. Yes, yes, you heard right, such a fighter will have the opportunity to sue the state at the expense of the state itself! And if he happened to prove his case, a personal apology for such a rotten justice from the head of state himself and all other consequences should immediately follow.

I also mentioned about the financial support of the fighters of our company, which must be received on their personal account during all three years of service. At current prices for life, I suggest that it be a sum of money in the amount of 30 000 rubles monthly. Not so much for someone who at every opportunity is thrown at the very "inferno". Further, the procedure is as follows: our fighters are on full state support; therefore, in the first six months of their service, they will not need any money without leaving the location of their unit. But then they can freely cash them (just like all other citizens - through an ATM) or transfer them to relatives and friends. On the day of the end of the service, each soldier, in addition to the money accumulated in the account, must also receive a premium for impeccable service in the amount of, say, 50 000 rubles.

Once I started talking about money, I would also announce the salary rates offered by me for sergeants and company officers. Let the squad leaders (sergeants) receive monthly for 50 000 rubles, platoon commanders for 100 000, vice-commander for 150 000, and 300 000 is not sorry for the company officer! Well, in order not to climb “into the jungle”, we will not discuss the size of monetary rewards for successfully completed combat missions, as well as accompanying orders and medals. Let me just say that they, too, must be.

Looking to the future or how a company can grow to a regiment

Well, what if someone from the company fighters (I suspect that there will be many of them) will wish to continue the service? - Perfectly. After three years of uninterrupted combat training and participation in small (and perhaps large, who foresee this?) Wars, we can offer him to continue his service in ordinary (not such as our unit) military units. But isn’t it better to make an ordinary soldier, who decided to serve on, make a sergeant and put the squad commander in the same company, equipped with yesterday’s prisoners? - Naturally, better! After all, he himself is from “these”, and will become for the soldiers of his unit not just a commander, but an understanding senior comrade!

Hopefully, many already understand where I'm going. Well, yes, I propose to act further according to the rule of “snowball”, when a battalion will be created on the basis of our company, and maybe a regiment of soldiers with a difficult past. Well, why not ?! In three years, the company will show itself, but the proposed direction will justify itself. So you can think about the expansion. Accordingly, our company will become the commander of a battalion or regiment. Zampolit - commissar of the battalion or regiment. The commanders of platoons are company (and maybe battalion). By the way, let me remind you, we also had sergeants from free men, but with a prison past. And if you make for those of them who wish to continue to serve the 6-month training courses for junior officers, but assign at their graduation junior lieutenants? - Here you have some experienced platoon. Well, the most intelligent can be considered at the post of political commanders of the company. Missing officers and sergeants (although the latter, most likely, should be enough, there may be a shortage of platoon and deputy politicians) can be collected from the outside, following the rules I have already written in all its glory.

Well, thankful to all those who read to this place. Honestly, I don’t even hope that I will get your approval, dear readers. But it is better to express something that has long given no peace than “to be silent in a rag” !!!

Historical experience or to be continued ...

I know, I know that I’m tired, I’ll finish now. Give the last argument. Remember, at the very beginning I wrote that my thought is as old as the world? - So here are some examples from history ... Yesterday’s prisoners were drafted into the army back in tsarist Russia. Take the same Dostoevsky - after the 8-year hard labor he also served as a soldier. Well, everyone knows about the Second World War. By the way, during the war 935 000 "convicts" managed to transfer from labor camps to the Red Army. Our history will not let us lie, yesterday’s criminals did not drop the title of Russian soldier! Many mistakenly write that “convicts” were taken to penal companies - this is not so. The penal companies were staffed with guilty soldiers and sergeants, and the "convicts" were sent to assault battalions (again, not to be confused with the penalties in which the punished demoted officers of the Red Army fought). Sturmbats did not spare - this is true. And so the people who were going there understood that “you live well” will not be given. And believe me, this very people too was well aware of their guilt. In short, I knew what was going on, and that’s it!

There were examples of such units (and even connections) and our enemies, the Germans. I will not describe it in all colors, but I will say that it’s quite combat-ready examples. Yes, it is worth emphasizing that Hitler, unlike Stalin, was much more cruel to those who got into such troops. There it was impossible to “be cleansed with blood”, as in the Red Army.

Well, in the United States, during the war with Spain for the “independence” of Cuba (representatives of the “most democratic” state in the world managed to participate in such a way), they sent it directly from the courtroom to the front. There was even a sentence like this: "We are sentencing you to life service in the army." What is it like?

They may remind me that the "convicts" who warred in the Patriotic War, for the most part, later returned to the camps. And then I will not argue! Yes, but because of the need to restore the country, Stalin could not afford to think about the future life of these previously convicted people after the war. He could not, but no one bothers me! And I’m ready to share with you, readers, on this subject. But! Next time...
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  1. Soldier
    Soldier 5 June 2013 08: 46 New
    43
    It’s a complete utopia, and now I’ll explain why. Firstly, it was already like that at the time of Khrushev, it was then that concepts came to the army and we got hazing in the bad sense of the word. (Yes, in a good sense, it also happens when the old servant uses certain concessions, but transfers his combat experience to the young). Secondly, as a rule, the person who has passed the “zone” is no longer afraid to return there again (not in the sense of desire, but simply not afraid), he has his own ideas and if there are several of them, it is precisely around such people that a collective will most likely be formed, and not vice versa. Yes, I say, living examples are all the time. One Dagestan is a normal adequate man, and three are already fraternity, which goes to, is “negative” and trying to bend everyone else.
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 5 June 2013 09: 14 New
      21
      The convicted in the army does not belong! For some reason, it would never occur to anyone to use the skills of criminals in the police (one can also make an argument - who, if not a former criminal, will be able to catch his “colleagues” with his skills fool )
      Just for a second, imagine how useful the skills of a thief “fortuneteller” or “bear cub” are when assaulting the same enemy fortified areas.

      , and in the army you can arrange a "corner of education." Delirium, IMHO!
      The public with a criminal record, if anything can, will "enrich" the army even more with barracks, and in case of war, shooting in the back. There was once a period when the first Chechen contract began to take all kinds of trash indiscriminately, including those convicted, it didn’t end with anything good. Here was the article “Fight, student,” here is a quote from it:
      Worst of all, the new contractors. These are not the professionals and enthusiasts who were recruited at the beginning of the war. Went drunk, torn, homeless and just unemployed. One of them was immediately taken to the hospital with his arm torn off: he played with the Fly. The other was soon fired for hard drinking. The third dived into the abyss in the Urals from a supply platoon. The fourth one fell from the tank’s tower under the tracks of a passing BMP ...

      Do you need it in the army? Or do you want a joke
      Sergeant, check once again the private file of Private Sidorov. Each time after shooting practice, he erases fingerprints from the butt
      turn into reality?
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 5 June 2013 18: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Greyfox
        The convicted in the army does not belong!

        Konstantin Konstantinovich Rokossovsky, who has gathered his army for the most part from encirclement and convicts, would definitely not agree with you.
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris 5 June 2013 18: 29 New
          0
          Proportions of encirclement and convicts in the studio. And how did he put together his army?
          Share the grass, it’s very picky.
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 5 June 2013 19: 06 New
            0
            I won’t look for links, I’m lazy to search on the Internet for what I read from books. Well, in a nutshell (from memory): 1) Konstantin Konstantinovich Rokossovsky - the prisoner himself was released by order of Stalin (the guarantor was Zhukov) after a month of rehabilitation in g. Sochi received in Moscow two cars with anti-aircraft machine guns (four “Maxims”) and an order moving to the West to assemble an army. He was allowed to subordinate all units leaving the encirclement. 2) The headquarters of the Rokossovsky army was the headquarters of one of the divisions he met, who had come out of the encirclement ( maybe even it was the regiment’s headquarters, - you can find out more from the book “The Life of Wonderful People.”) The officers of this headquarters, on the orders of Konstantin Konstantinovich Rokossovsky, began to search for and subordinate the units of the Red Army that were leaving the encirclement, and also formed the army volunteer convicts from camps and prisons located west of Moscow were attracted (and in the future penal battalions - there were much more in this army than in others) .. .; 3) Despite the effectiveness of the actions of the troops, Konstantin Konstantinovich Rokossovsky - these troops were not used during the assault on Berlin because they were considered an "army of non-proletarian blood" - it was believed that these troops are 60% composed of a "declassed element" (most likely just felt sorry for the inhabitants of Berlin freed from fascism ...).
            1. anomalocaris
              anomalocaris 5 June 2013 19: 16 New
              +3
              So I will say without any reference that Rokossovsky was released on March 22, 1940, and on June 22, 1941 he commanded the 9th mechanized corps. So you are talking nonsense, maybe even a mad nymph.
              Maybe all the same, share the grass, or what are you doing in the open air, have fun?
              1. Arkan
                Arkan 5 June 2013 19: 30 New
                0
                Quote: anomalocaris
                So I will say without any reference that Rokossovsky was released on March 22, 1940, and on June 22, 1941 he commanded the 9th mechanized corps

                I recommend you read the book from the series "ZhZL" "Rokossovsky K.K." - you will understand in what situation these decisions were made, and why this task was assigned to Rokossovsky. Many of your questions will disappear by themselves. And I really do not remember the release date.
                Quote: anomalocaris
                Maybe share the grass anyway,

                Of course I will share it, I do not mind.
                1. anomalocaris
                  anomalocaris 5 June 2013 19: 35 New
                  +1
                  Yeah. I read this very book of publication, either 1993, or 1994. Slightly stunned. But then I read a lot more and my worldview fell into place.
                  I advise you not to disturb the vodka with hallucinogens.
                  1. Arkan
                    Arkan 5 June 2013 19: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: anomalocaris
                    Slightly stunned

                    Why? In this book even photos of some documents (from award sheets to military orders) are given. It seems that the matter is not in the burner, but in your perception of what does not fit into your template.
                    PS I'll go get drunk.
                  2. Arkan
                    Arkan 5 June 2013 19: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: anomalocaris
                    Yeah. I read this very book of publication, either 1993, or 1994

                    Publishing house "Young Guard". Moscow. 1984. 165 pages.
                    "-Everything you meet along the road from Moscow to Yartsev, you can subjugate yourself ..."
                    Page 166
                    "At the General Staff, the new commander was given a small group of commanders and armed - he received two vehicles with four machine guns and calculations with them ...
                    1. anomalocaris
                      anomalocaris 6 June 2013 15: 48 New
                      -1
                      Yeah again. By the way, your favorite rezun writes about the 9th mechanized corps as super-power ...
                    2. anomalocaris
                      anomalocaris 9 June 2013 16: 37 New
                      0
                      Yeah. You went to hell. For you are carrying deliberate nonsense.
    2. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 5 June 2013 09: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Armeec
      it was then that the concepts came to the army and we got hazing in the bad sense of the word

      I agree! One such "soldier" can completely decompose discipline in the unit. He served on an urgent one, he served six months in a juvenile, then, as I don’t know, they called for 18 summers for us, this blockhead was a type of second priority. Only after growing up he realized that he was imposing half-zoning orders.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 5 June 2013 09: 26 New
        +6
        Quote: Baron Wrangell
        One such "soldier" can completely decompose discipline in the unit.


        The commander of such a unit is worthless, it is necessary to work with people, and not to pose as the governor of the island of Borneo. As a company commander, they "kicked" a soldier to me who, in civilian life, was a henchman of a pimp. A rare insolent! Yes, the company officers made some efforts, but as a result had no problems either with him or from him, except that he behaved extremely boldly with the officers of those units where he had already managed to check in earlier.
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris 5 June 2013 16: 48 New
          +1
          And how much was it "processed"? It’s just interesting to compare the experience.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 5 June 2013 16: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: anomalocaris
            And how much was it "processed"? It’s just interesting to compare the experience.


            The final cut of this diamond was completed in two months.
            1. anomalocaris
              anomalocaris 5 June 2013 16: 59 New
              +1
              Almost the same. 1,5 months. But our team was very specific.
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 5 June 2013 17: 10 New
                0
                Quote: anomalocaris
                But our team was very specific


                And I have the most usual one - a mechanized company on an infantry fighting vehicle, two officers, I and a platoon and the 90s behind the window of the barracks.
                1. cartridge
                  cartridge 5 June 2013 20: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: Hudo
                  Quote: anomalocaris
                  But our team was very specific


                  And I have the most usual one - a mechanized company on an infantry fighting vehicle, two officers, I and a platoon and the 90s behind the window of the barracks.


                  In the Soviet Army there were no mechanics on the BMP, but there were motorized rifles. There are also no machine operators, but there are motorized arrows in the RA. Although what am I talking about? And who am I talking to? Looking at your age (44 years old, respectively graduating from college in 1990 or 1991) it is obvious that you have a microbial experience in service ... negative
                  If a mechanized company on infantry fighting vehicles, then you are talking about the army of Ukropia, therefore, we are talking ... laughing
                  It turns out that you are a gracious soldier and have not really seen a living. Then you were rightly pushed out of the ranks ahead of schedule. No one needs ballast. Even in the caricature dill army.
                  Be healthy and do not bother to answer me. Your opinion is not interesting to me soldier
                  1. anomalocaris
                    anomalocaris 6 June 2013 15: 45 New
                    0
                    I don’t know, infantry on the BMP is a motorized infantry. On cars - motorized infantry. Sorry, but for this terminology I was drunk for 4 years (what would be clear, I’m a “jacket”)
        2. Powder donut
          Powder donut 5 June 2013 17: 39 New
          +1
          Honor and praise, but there are many such officers as you were in your unit, capable of putting an overdone fellow ... or a team of fellows.
      2. FC SKIF
        FC SKIF 5 June 2013 20: 32 New
        +1
        And about juveniles, I’ve even bummed: something like the movie "bastards." Surely this movie creator of the author was inspired.
    3. Denis
      Denis 5 June 2013 09: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: Armeec
      came to the army, concepts, and we got bullying
      Hazing of course depends on concepts, too, but first and foremost it depends on the commander. If he works himself, and does not transfer part of his work to grandfathers, then there will be no mess
      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 5 June 2013 16: 51 New
        +1
        The commander is simply obliged to shift part of the work to sergeants and privates. Otherwise, the platoon does not run for 30 snouts, and the company for 120. This is such a banal fact. Another conversation is if the commander loses control thread.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 5 June 2013 16: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: anomalocaris
          The commander is simply obliged to shift part of the work to sergeants and privates.


          Otherwise, he will not have enough time even if he has more than 24 hours in a day. And in the zero result - a cat from home, a mouse to dance.
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 5 June 2013 17: 03 New
            +1
            So.
            In general, hazing, in the best sense of the word, appeared simultaneously with the organization of more or less regular troops. This is about 3000 years ago ...
    4. Explore
      Explore 5 June 2013 11: 43 New
      +6
      Fucking, being a soldier is an honorable right and duty of any military citizen of the Russian Federation. The author suggests aligning military service with the zone, sending inmates there.
      But it never occurred to me that even in a war, soldiers must be people of honor, since they have to “communicate” not only with enemy soldiers, but also with civilians (including on enemy territory). How this cantent who has mastered the thieves concepts will communicate with them, I hope it is not necessary to discuss. Then we will regret that we are being exposed as rapists, psychopaths, murderers and robbers.
      The article is sheer nonsense ...

      My opinion is that there is no place for criminals in the army. It is already saturated with thieves' concepts (alas, this is so) and this must be fought. As with hazing, as with fraternity ...
      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 5 June 2013 16: 54 New
        0
        Although now the service for most is the same zone ... It's a shame to tears.
        Prisoners place on the zone.
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 5 June 2013 18: 26 New
          0
          Quote: anomalocaris
          Although now the service for most is the same area ...

          I don’t know how in Russia, but in Ukraine the zone is a rest house compared to the army. smile
    5. igordok
      igordok 5 June 2013 12: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Armeec
      we got bullying

      This is not hazing, it is "criminality." Hazing was, is, and will be. In civilian life, in the army, in the navy, EVERYWHERE. When a young specialist arrives, they do not give him a responsible job, but begin with small things, perform low-skilled work, including cleaning. When they introduce “concepts”, this is “criminality. Unfortunately in the army, these concepts are intertwined, and everyone calls hazing.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 5 June 2013 13: 39 New
        +1
        The author suggests making a re-education tool out of the army? What for? Citizens come to the army to defend their homeland, and not to re-educate convicts (albeit former)!

        All adults! Who to reeducate? He pulled back, committed a crime - so reap the benefits! Responsible for your actions! And, besides the real term of imprisonment, there is still a censure and negative attitude of society. This is the right of society. And it is fair!

        And the potential prisoner always has a choice - to commit or not to commit a crime. And his choice is his choice. No one is forcing him to do this! And all references to "difficult childhood", "unemployment", etc. - are insolvent and cannot be an excuse for a crime.

        The choice is ALWAYS!
    6. Pimply
      Pimply 6 June 2013 03: 05 New
      0
      The experience was before Khrushchev. My grandfather just came after school to serve in the unit after the next Stalinist amnesty, in 52nd or 53rd. And they threw such guys to him, everyone who fell under the call. It saved that he was a weightlifter, a sportsman. A couple of times they tried to go at him with a knife, but received it firmly. So that...
    7. Andrey77
      Andrey77 6 June 2013 16: 12 New
      0
      Convicts are not allowed to serve on submarines, in the Strategic Rocket Forces, and in PV. DOT. The contingent is limited, communication with Moscow is limited ... The young man has accumulated “thieves” concepts or not - no one will risk it.
  2. Denis
    Denis 5 June 2013 08: 46 New
    +1
    He wants our death!
    I, and probably many, too!
    it's about the liberals
    And of course, these restrictions are nonsense, a person has served his time, why punish him yet?
  3. Hudo
    Hudo 5 June 2013 08: 47 New
    +6
    Put article "plus" despite its utopianism. The motivation is as follows:
    1). Everyone who has team experience, I think, will agree that a guilty, strictly but fairly punished soldier, who has realized his guilt, is ready to perform almost impossible to restore his good name. The main thing is not to wave a hand at a person and not to put a mark on him and, of course, to know the measure.
    2). All the same, it is better to have a company of soldiers than a few gangs of criminals.
  4. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 5 June 2013 08: 54 New
    +8
    article and not plus, and not minus!
    the author is apparently far from this contingent. although it seems like a good idea. But ...
    he dismisses convicts for various sex crimes, assassins or thieves with two or more walkers from enrollment. And who is left? the question is, robbers, robbers, extortionists, drug addicts (and all articles for drug trafficking) remain, others are not in prison.
    For the first theft, the majority are given a postponement of the sentence, robbers, these are all drug addicts, (pulled out a sotik, immediately sold it for a dose), robbery is usually a group organized, but here it’s also debatable, these are probably suitable. but they are few!
    I would suggest another option, such as taking conditionally convicted persons into such a company, but not a single officer can cope with discipline in such a company. So there is utopia.
    And finally, in part offended, in order to “Omit”, one does not have to have sexual contact, it is enough to give a drink from a glass of “Omitted”, they omit them by order of the administration!
  5. omsbon
    omsbon 5 June 2013 09: 00 New
    +9
    But it’s one thing when a guy was simply called up for an army duty to give back to his army and sent to the same Georgia. Meanwhile, he owes nothing to our Motherland! And didn’t do anything wrong.

    Protection of the Fatherland is an honorable duty of a citizen of a country if he is a citizen!
    who climbed into the apartment of the old woman and stole a pension, and the bastard will die, because his perverted consciousness and worldview can no longer be redone.
    Of course there are people who stumbled by chance, but there are very few of them.
  6. Denis
    Denis 5 June 2013 09: 04 New
    +2
    Napoleon defeated the coalition forces several times in 1813 until they defeated him in the “battle of the peoples” near Leipzig.
    And here is just a shameful article-rape of history
    In Russia he was fed with gingerbread, so that he threw the army from Berezina and pulled it?
    It remains as gay men to recognize Waterlow as the most important battle of that war.
  7. Veter
    Veter 5 June 2013 09: 12 New
    0
    In addition, in our criminal law there is the concept of “homicide by negligence”

    Our criminal law does not have such a concept, for murder is the intentional infliction of death ... (see Article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). Therefore, it cannot be by negligence that which is intentional.

    The topic is complex and controversial. But can they not be included in the list of persons by negligence (thanks to "the most humane"), persons who committed the act with intent.
    There’s some kind of penal battalion.
    1. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 5 June 2013 15: 59 New
      0
      It probably meant the death by negligence (Article 109 of the Criminal Code)
  8. baltika-18
    baltika-18 5 June 2013 09: 31 New
    +4
    The article is a minus. The author just apparently does not know the contingent. In the 90s I had to deal with such guys very often. By chance there are very few. Even after a year of serving, they already have concepts and folding in the head. There the system breaks a person, what would to survive you need to become the same as everyone else, to accept the rules.
    Of course, one can argue on this topic, about correction and the like. But here we should already be talking about the penal system itself, about its reform, about changing the Criminal Code. The question is very complicated.
    The author didn’t think over the question properly, reacted so populistically, read something on the topic, picked up examples as he thought appropriate. In general, minus.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 5 June 2013 10: 01 New
      +5
      Problem! What will happen to the army of convicts?
      Yes before your eyes. Like a telescope. Ukraine, or rather Urkain. Twice not convicted, three times under investigation pahan- "guarantor" and all criminal gang power, having the Constitution and Laws, as a sold girl. Living in concepts and having placed their "stare" across the power vertical.
      And so it will be in the army. Not by charters will be forced to live, but by concepts. Isn’t it, Citizen Chief?
  9. lvn321
    lvn321 5 June 2013 09: 35 New
    -10
    Protection of the Fatherland is an honorable duty of a citizen of the country,

    I wonder when he was in debt? Kindergarten pay, tuition pay, treatment pay. What should it be for? I understand what I should have been under the Soviet regime, but now ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 5 June 2013 09: 38 New
      0
      Quote: lvn321
      Protection of the Fatherland is an honorable duty of a citizen of the country,

      I wonder when he was in debt? Kindergarten pay, tuition pay, treatment pay. What should it be for? I understand what I should have been under the Soviet regime, but now ...


      I put you a minus for rot in the shower.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 5 June 2013 10: 55 New
        -5
        Quote: lvn321
        Protection of the Fatherland is an honorable duty of a citizen of the country,

        I wonder when he was in debt? Kindergarten pay, tuition pay, treatment pay. What should it be for? I understand what I should have been under the Soviet regime, but now ...


        Put "+" because I have the same opinion. In the end, I would like to SEE that the state owes something to its citizens.
  10. IRBIS
    IRBIS 5 June 2013 09: 46 New
    +7
    Conclusion: the soldiers described by me “with a dark past” in any war will benefit, as compared with the usual ones called “from will”!
    The conclusion is not true. He who voluntarily fights for his homeland and deliberately fulfills his duty is much more reliable than the one who "fulfills" freedom. Why freedom to the dead? - this, basically, will be the principle of action of the personnel of the criminal unit. And to professionally train criminals in military affairs, shooting, disguise, hand-to-hand combat and other things - in my opinion this is too much. Imagine a gang-gang whose members have undergone a similar training course for three years. Specialists will sweat when it is neutralized.
    The article resembles the movie "Bastards." Not a very good film, not quite a good article.
    1. Gato
      Gato 5 June 2013 11: 03 New
      +5
      The article resembles the movie "Bastards"
      as well as a host of other opuses, judging by which the war was won by the penal battalions and divisions formed from the ZK. And the rest of the army only got underfoot and prevented from fighting.
    2. Denis
      Denis 5 June 2013 11: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: IRBIS
      the film "Bastards".
      That is generally nonsense, what kind of obscurity did you find on V. Kunin?
      DRGs have always been volunteers, and where do juvenile criminals
  11. Onotollah
    Onotollah 5 June 2013 09: 54 New
    11
    I propose to form such parts from corrupt officials.
    You stole a million, based on the size of the salary offered by the author (30) for about 000 years and you serve. You stole more - you serve longer. That's the budget savings.
    Again - they’ll kill, it’s not a pity, and there are less problems with legal proceedings.
    Serdyukov and K - welcome. good
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 5 June 2013 09: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: Onotolle
      I propose to form such parts from corrupt officials.


      Ready in this part to be a platoon or company commander. With honor I will lead subordinates through hardships and deprivations to their clear conscience. soldier
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 5 June 2013 10: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Hudo
        Ready in this part to be a platoon or company commander.


        One can only guess what will happen in such a unit with the commanders in a year. A form sewn to order from Versace. Shoulder straps with gold (999 samples) stars. Instead of an official UAZ - a personal "luxury" Hammer.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 5 June 2013 10: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: IRBIS
          One can only guess what will happen in such a unit with the commanders in a year. A form sewn to order from Versace. Shoulder straps with gold (999 samples) stars. Instead of an official UAZ - a personal "luxury" Hammer.


          Do you measure yourself? In vain, it happens otherwise.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 5 June 2013 11: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Hudo
            In vain, it happens otherwise.

            Such a unit is a joke, of course. But, if the idea of ​​its creation is admitted purely hypothetically. And here harsh everyday life begins. You break away from army reality. The "ostentatious" barracks, boxes with equipment and other similar crap are not done at the expense of the state, but the command’s desire to see something and then show it to the overlying ones, betraying the built for personal achievement, remains. Therefore, fathers and commanders dodge as they can. They took it earlier and take it now, and they will take it.
            I've been extremely principled for more than a quarter century, I haven’t taken it. Yes, to be honest, I didn’t offer much. There have been cases, but these are other situations. And now I live in 35 square meters with my family and I think - maybe I got excited, a little?
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 5 June 2013 12: 02 New
              -2
              Quote: IRBIS
              I've been extremely principled for more than a quarter century, I haven’t taken it. Yes, to be honest, I didn’t offer much. There have been cases, but these are other situations. And now I live in 35 square meters with my family and I think - maybe I got excited, a little?


              Also drank in the 90s. Regularly gave the gates a turn to the regimental communist parties wishing, contrary to the class schedule, personnel for any type of unloading and loading. He had a hard time, spat and left ... If he hadn’t left, he would have lived like you on 35 squares with his family.
    2. Denis
      Denis 5 June 2013 11: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Onotolle
      form out of corrupt
      Then you will definitely need the notorious barrage detachments. The same ... paws to the top even before the first shot will
    3. COBOK
      COBOK 5 June 2013 11: 44 New
      +1
      Exclusively construction ... do not allow weapons
  12. Vladyka
    Vladyka 5 June 2013 09: 58 New
    +4
    The article is, of course, controversial and ambiguous, and I understand the opponents of such a campaign ... but ... A person should have a Chance for a new life in the Society, and if the Society does not give him this chance, then we will have a lot of organized crime groups.
  13. cartridge
    cartridge 5 June 2013 10: 01 New
    +6
    An article by an amateur who has never worked with personnel ... Such people should remember that the road to hell is always paved with good intentions.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 5 June 2013 10: 30 New
      -5
      Quote: cartridge
      An article by an amateur who has never worked with personnel ... Such people should remember that the road to hell is always paved with good intentions.


      Something to me, Mr. Great Methodologist on working with l / s, speeches resemble the working style of many political leaders. I mean those mehlises, who met a soldier who previously had a more or less large "flight", but who had not allowed such a thing for a long time, be sure to poke his face in guano for no reason recalling a forgotten past. The result is twofold - a normal soldier walks down into the water, and the Mehlis hovers above the ground from his own consciousness puffy significance.
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 5 June 2013 14: 22 New
        0
        Re-read your opus yourself, Mechlis specialist))) ... I personally did not understand your pompous nonsense, except that you were a raider, you were poked by a political officer with a muzzle in guano and you are for the service of the ZK in the army. To support you in this belief, I wish that starting with you all the peasants of your kind constantly intersect with the criminal public, not only in the army, but also in civilian life. Maybe in several generations your descendants will grow wiser, if only some recidivist does not interrupt the chronicle of your surname ahead of schedule.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 5 June 2013 16: 51 New
          -1
          You...
          Quote: cartridge
          little man
          Do not push and wrinkle your forehead. It will probably be news to you that people of different moral and business qualities come to serve in the military collective. Intelligent and not very disciplined and hooligan, physically prepared and unable to pull themselves twice on the crossbar. Those who want to serve come and not really. There are also those who have already been a defendant in criminal cases, but who have passed as a witness, etc. If the unit commander is unlucky, something like you might turn up.
          Also, for you "... little man ...", it will be useful to find out that discipline is achieved, among other things, by the "daily demanding of commanders (commanders) on subordinates and monitoring their diligence, respect for the personal dignity of military personnel and constant care for them, skillful combination and the correct application of measures of persuasion, coercion and public influence of the team .. "
          1. cartridge
            cartridge 5 June 2013 20: 28 New
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            Was your mosquito enough just to copy-paste the lines from the OVU? lol
  14. fenix57
    fenix57 5 June 2013 10: 02 New
    +4
    They probably forgot: “Don’t renounce the sum and the prison”, you can also: “If there were a person, there would be an article.” And in RUSSIA .. No, no, I don't mean “rapists”, I think one place ... the deeper the better (farther, longer .. forever!).
    Articles
    Quote: Veter
    The topic is complex and controversial.
    -That's definitely agree. Not a few PEOPLE are there NORMAL and TOO MANY from the "elite" are not there! hi .
  15. Hudo
    Hudo 5 June 2013 10: 14 New
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    Opposing those who write that they say the human material is not the one, I would like to remind the Muslim battalion that took part in the storming of the Amin Palace. As from a material unfit according to various kinds of mehlis, a damask steel blade was honed in a short time. It would be nice to recall the experience of the WWII, because many criminals passed with honor through the penal units did not return to the criminal past and later became honest people.
    1. imerkov
      imerkov 5 June 2013 11: 17 New
      +7
      No need to remember the Second World War! There was other propaganda, and ideology! Watch movies and do not think about what will happen next. They went to defend their homeland, yes, but even then not everywhere. And then what, tied up with the underworld? Fuck there, then there was even more, after the war the gangs were from former front-line soldiers who, as soon as they wanted to kill and rob nothing in their lives, did not want to. Why is a criminal needed in the army, that Russia has reached the pen, cannot normal call? So let the Government scratch the turnips and create conditions for normal children. Which is better when a normal serves, or a felon. It is like a virus, under certain conditions it begins to progress and mutate. In the army, too, there is enough of its own captain, both among soldiers and among officers. Look at the dynamics of crime growth in the army, IT DOES NOT DECREASE!
  16. pav-pon1972
    pav-pon1972 5 June 2013 10: 33 New
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    Article "MINUS". Dear Vladimir Glybin, if you had served in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the 90s, after Yeltsin allowed the convicts to serve in the army (for short terms, who studied in special schools), you would not have written this nonsense. A person wants (having a criminal record, actually sitting, and not with a conditional) or does not want to turn on “protection” at certain points - first counteracts “according to concepts”, and then transfers these concepts to the army more and more ....
  17. kaban0072
    kaban0072 5 June 2013 10: 54 New
    +5
    In the Russian criminal law there is no concept of “reckless killing”. There is "causing death by negligence." For killing always implies intent as a form of guilt. It’s like I’m smart, at the same time I’m correcting the author
    1. Denis
      Denis 5 June 2013 11: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: kaban0072
      In the Russian criminal law there is no concept of “reckless killing”.
      And by stupidity?
      Who in childhood didn’t tear apples from someone else’s garden, because it’s also a theft
  18. sashka
    sashka 5 June 2013 11: 04 New
    +2
    Strange article. So in all Organs gangsters and thieves. Now we got to the Army. The main thing to substantiate. That would look legit.
  19. imerkov
    imerkov 5 June 2013 11: 05 New
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    [b] Let's fly separately, cutlets separately. The person who passed the ITC for the murder, by caution or by negligence, is already a person with an altered psyche. This certainly does not have a place in the army. Although I know cases when, somehow, they manage to get into the ranks of the RF Armed Forces after prison precisely for the murder, and they serve normally. It is hard to say, this is a delicate matter, but it is subtle and torn there. Better not tempt fate.
  20. dmb
    dmb 5 June 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    Beautiful, but utopian. In order to reinforce the theory with practice, it would be worthwhile to familiarize yourself with the statistics of the relapse of the Soviet period from the number of those who served their sentence in DB and who were sent to serve in their units. And this despite the fact that those were under special control of the commanders, and the DB was not formally imprisonment. Perhaps the article would not have been published.
  21. zvereok
    zvereok 5 June 2013 11: 10 New
    +2
    Why criminals? why recide?

    For example, a person is convicted of a not serious offense and in the courtroom to offer him service, while during the service he has something to put in place - in case of systematic violations he will go to prison.

    In addition, there have already been similar experiments in the past: Foreign Legion for example. Today they no longer take criminals there, and before having served in the legion you got the right to start life from scratch, with a certain amount of lifting paid for the service in your pocket. The Legion was a fairly combat-ready unit.
  22. Turkish
    Turkish Granite 5 June 2013 11: 28 New
    +2
    The article put a "+". Of course, this is only an idea, if this is implemented, the topic will be worked out by more competent people. I would not advise to reject the idea from the threshold, see the situation with the appeal. Again, the author does not propose placing this contingent in vacant positions in all divisions of the Moscow Region indiscriminately. It is proposed to organize a separate formation with specially selected command staff, respectively motivated. The preparatory period before admission to weapons can be increased. And then the work of the commanders-chiefs of the formation. During the year it is possible to study the personal qualities of subordinates. In a month or two, especially “gifted” ones will show themselves, for which they will be returned to places not so remote, even if there will be up to 50%, but they will become an example for the rest (that is, how to behave is not necessary and what for it will be). And for the opportunity to return to normal life with the erasing of the past, the rest oh how to serve. The main thing is that the commanding staff of the formation should not be serving the number, but really work and strive to get the unit with which it is not scary to go into battle and not interfere with it with constant "assistance" and final checks. And after 3 years to verify this formation by the military inspectorate, everything will be clear there: whether to continue or the experiment failed. Once again, I focus on the desire of the commanders to engage in such a unit, namely the desire, with appropriate motivation, there are those who wish.
  23. Gato
    Gato 5 June 2013 11: 43 New
    +3
    I hope many already understand what I'm leading to. Well, yes, I propose to proceed further according to the “snowball” rule, when a battalion, or maybe a regiment of soldiers with a difficult past, will be created on the basis of our company.

    And in the end, we get a local analogue of the French Foreign Legion. And then we will replace the whole army with mercenaries "with a difficult past"?
    A normal army should not be formed from outcasts, otherwise it will turn into an armed rabble, more dangerous for its own country than for an external enemy.
    In the USSR, until a certain time, people with a criminal record were not accepted into the army, because they were unworthy. And as soon as they became (as mentioned in the comments above), then healthy paternalism (when more experienced elders take care of the younger ones) degenerated into criminal hazing.
    In general, the attitude towards the army resembles an ancient Chinese proverb:
    "The mahogany is not allowed for firewood, the decent girl is not given up in carols, and the soldier is not made from a decent person." So the Mongols conquered that China - no kung fu pandas helped.
    A similar nuisance happened with Rome when legions began to form from barbarian mercenaries.

    What is the meaning of the article?
    In Russia, for the army is not enough normal people? Or dear author proposed such an exotic way to combat crime?
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  25. lyuboyan
    lyuboyan 5 June 2013 12: 12 New
    +1
    But do not ask the criminals first, will they want to join the army? AND? Many young people shy away from the service, like the plague. And what are the convicts especially patriotic? They will certainly perceive the direction to the service as an additional punishment. “For what, uncles?” They will shout. What a wonderful article, just some kind of manilism. If you dream, then in the opposite direction. So that only the best youth representatives serve in the army. To serve in the army, indeed, was perceived as an honorary duty for a young man. That NON-draft in the army was like a punishment. It’s also a dream, but at least real. And with an active political will, it’s possible.
  26. NSG42
    NSG42 5 June 2013 12: 45 New
    -1
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Problem! What will happen to the army of convicts?
    Yes before your eyes. Like a telescope. Ukraine, or rather Urkain. Twice not convicted, three times under investigation pahan- "guarantor" and all criminal gang power, having the Constitution and Laws, as a sold girl. Living in concepts and having placed their "stare" across the power vertical.
    And so it will be in the army. Not by charters will be forced to live, but by concepts. Isn’t it, Citizen Chief?

    If so smart, then explain and compare: - life according to the charter and according to concepts. what is the difference?
    1. Denis
      Denis 5 June 2013 14: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: NSG42
      life according to the charter and according to concepts. what is the difference?
      According to the Charter, if you follow every letter of it you can’t live. The concepts in this regard are more humane
  27. Captain45
    Captain45 5 June 2013 12: 47 New
    0
    Not an article, but some kind of artistic-romantic retelling of the film "Bastards". Apparently, the author himself had a conflict with the law, to put it simply convicted, and now he received an order to create a bright image of the Russian ZK, who sleeps and sees how to save and protect his homeland. It was already in the 90's - the romance of crime in songs, films, accustomed people to the fact that without explanation everyone knows what “concepts”, “roof”, and “grater arrows” are. I saw on a business trip of those convicted as contractors to the first Chechen one, there’s not much good. As a criminal investigator with considerable experience, I’ll say right away that nothing good can come out of the author’s idea. I know this contingent firsthand. Stupidity, in a word. You do not need to break the law, if you listen to them, everyone is not guilty there, they are completely victims of arbitrariness.
    - They will put me in jail!
    - And you do not steal!
    movie "Watch out for the car"
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 5 June 2013 13: 46 New
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      Captain45

      By the way, there was a moment in our history when convicts were drafted into the army.

      Remember how in the Great Patriotic War they gathered people from numerous zones. But after all, people then atoned for their guilt and crimes with blood (I still don’t talk about the justice of sentences).
      In any case, they fought for their homeland!
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 5 June 2013 13: 59 New
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        Quote: aviamed90
        Remember how in the Great Patriotic War they gathered people from numerous zones. But after all, people then atoned for their guilt and crimes with blood (I still don’t talk about the justice of sentences).
        In any case, they fought for their homeland!

        In this case, I do not argue, and even more than that, I can assume that if God forbid, some kind of global mess starts like WWII, then 80-90 percent of those convicted will go to fight for their homeland, as it was in the war. But in this temporary situation, in local conflicts, and even as the author suggests somewhere abroad, there will not be and will not be any benefit from such formations.
  28. Syarzhuk
    Syarzhuk 5 June 2013 13: 43 New
    -3
    I completely agree with the author. An example served in the French Legion, the bulk of the former convicts. They will give odds to any special forces from Russia.
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 5 June 2013 14: 37 New
      +2
      So anyway? And most of the prisoners are right? And there are many from our northern logging sites? And you served with them there? Tell me more if you are not a storyteller ...
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 5 June 2013 17: 56 New
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      I say, now people with a dubious reputation are not being taken to the Legion. And so enough willing.
  29. faraon
    faraon 5 June 2013 14: 31 New
    +3
    The article was negative (-). All this is the author’s fantasy. We’ve already passed it!! 982 year DRA I was the commander of a reconnaissance platoon. I, a young lieutenant, took a platoon of a replenishment youth youth from Luga (Len. VO). Yes, it was a close-knit team with which it was possible to go through everything but only in wartime. Such contempt for death, cynicism, adventurism. And all other isms, I have never met in my life. Relations at first were not easy. It was a pack of wolves living by I’m starting from the very beginning, when familiarizing myself with personal matters, I noticed that they had no one who had parents, that is, someone who had but deprived of parental rights. All of their childhood they spent in the children's homes, later special. boarding schools, and then on to growing colonies. And this mass was offered to serve the Motherland. I met them at the recruiting station where they were separately from everyone in a closed box because In my opinion, they were socially dangerous for society. At first they tried to impose their own rules, which for me as a commander was not acceptable. As for the delivery of this contingent to a part, this is a long story. Here I had to command this flock. become the leader of the pack. My guys (and that’s exactly how I want to say it showed their best side.) But there was one thing but they were not controlled subordinate only to their mound, his word was law. That is, we had a relationship as a host-watching The guy was sensible, but all relations with the platoon were only through him. Later, after completing certain tasks and my actions, I also became an unquestioned authority. And I can say with full responsibility that I am proud of this appeal and that we are side by side all tests passed sideways. But there is the other side of the coin, do such military personnel be needed in the ranks of the VO.RF? I unequivocally declare NO. Now is not wartime. There is no need for this, thank God there were no more women who could give birth and educate normal guys. the government creates the conditions for this, revives the process of normal education from kindergarten. Armies need normal, mentally healthy, responsible soldiers, and not condemned men remove not only yours but also your enemies. For people who have gone through the camps (prison, colony), the psyche itself is broken by the very system of survival in places of deprivation of liberty, most of them will not be able to live in a normal society with its laws. Only chaos will bring this to the Army (hazing in its worst manifestations)
    Dear author of the article, I understand your good intentions with regard to re-education, but all that you wrote in your article is utopia. We have disciplinary battalions where these soldiers are only in their usual environment. And what you suggest is to try there at the beginning.
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 5 June 2013 20: 31 New
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      I completely agree with you and support you! hi
  30. Argast
    Argast 5 June 2013 14: 39 New
    -2
    And before and now, a soldier has less rights than a zk
  31. Volkhov
    Volkhov 5 June 2013 15: 15 New
    0
    The article is quite expected and logical - now it’s wartime, most commentators at VO are not able to notice a nuclear explosion (a distant one is considered a cloud, and a close one stops the process of awareness), but the Russian Federation in the war, heavy losses in Syria (burned militants mainly from the Russian Federation, and those who came not through a mosque, but through the army - they burn tattoos and a face so as not to disturb relatives and acquaintances), it is necessary to replenish, and the number of citizens of the Russian Federation is about 60 million, fit into the army 5 ... 10 million, it’s of all ages, , the army and officials are already about 5 million - that’s what beautiful ideas come up for, either women to call or convicts.
    There is no problem with discipline - the backbones of detachments in Syria are Chechen, there is 1 type of punishment, they do not soar with treatment - I have never seen the remains of bandages burned, they will not return to society, unless they rise up and leave the detachment, but then only to Asia as Soviet prisoners still living in Pakistan. It’s just that village money lovers end and we need a new source - a zone, then a madhouse.
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 5 June 2013 15: 40 New
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      Volkhov, your posts must be accompanied by such a picture.
      Do you fight in Syria? For whom? Where? Exhume the corpses of militants? Personally, did you see that all the warehouses where the AK-74 were lying were empty and they were taken to Syria? Tell me more ... You have such an interesting life ...
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 5 June 2013 16: 14 New
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        Why exhume - they are not buried, videos and photos are full on the Internet, there were automatic machines in Libya and the beginning of the Syrian conflict, then the models changed. Of course, something is left of the millions of reserves, but the general trend is clear.
        I see no reason to fight in Syria, because Zionism is fighting there with Nazism as a system, but I do not belong to them, although the Russian Federation is a country of Zionism. It’s just a pity that Russians and other people disappear for the purposes of extremist regimes.
        I try to show other areas of activity, natural hazards, but people like flies fly to sweets and stick in - also selection.
    2. faraon
      faraon 5 June 2013 16: 20 New
      -1
      Dear what you are calling for, the first one should have an ideology for which he is going to give his life in distant Syria. Yes and whether they will agree to go there, or you, like Stalin, put them in goods and send them to slaughter. Think they are all the same no citizens of rf
      And you thought that this contingent is sick of this Syria.
      Or do you want to replenish gangs of Baeviks in Pakistan and Avganistan. Understand this will be the worst Chechens in Moscow.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 5 June 2013 16: 57 New
        -1
        I’m just against sending mercenaries to Syria, but the big structures are for ... if you explain to the potential mercenary what awaits him, then he may not go - why does the dead man need money.
        Back in 11 he wrote "Libya as Versailles"
        http://warfiles.ru/3073-liviya-kak-versal.html
        and there the idea is clearly expressed - 1 natural doomsday is enough, it is better not to organize the second (military) one.
        The events predicted in the article take place, but with some delay - the main reason is magnetic reconnection, which delays the main process in geophysics for a year, but nuclear war is limited - what and where it came to Damascus, how Belaya Kalitva is doing, how many submarines are left - sad topics.
        I agree about ideology - it should be, I’m here for people, manipulators are against it.
        1. Greyfox
          Greyfox 5 June 2013 21: 00 New
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          Volkhov, from your stream of consciousness, I took one you Internet writer in the full sense of the word. Everything you write is drawn from the darkest corners of the Internet and Ren-TV, and then processed in the twilight zone of your brain. There can be no serious conversation can....
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 6 June 2013 00: 39 New
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            Quote: Greyfox
            There can be no serious conversation here ....

            Of course it cannot - with you, you don’t even try to discuss the arguments, sent a picture with a ferret ... And it was not written for you, but for competent people who do not shine in the comments but are looking for ideas, compare the facts.
            1. Greyfox
              Greyfox 6 June 2013 08: 09 New
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              Of course it cannot - with you, you don’t even try to discuss the arguments, sent a picture with a ferret ... And it was not written for you, but for competent people who do not shine in the comments but are looking for ideas, compare the facts.

              What kind of conversation can there be if you confuse a cat with a ferret, not to mention the substitution of reality for fantasy ....
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 18 December 2018 09: 44 New
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      Where did you get the substances? The anti-drug department is really interested.
  32. ale-x
    ale-x 5 June 2013 15: 24 New
    0
    This is the scenario of a new reality show, to replace HOUSE-2. Suicide bombers in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are in sufficient quantities in the form of DShB and DShR. This contingent is not amenable to re-education, but if the terms of imprisonment are replaced by the service, then I think this is more acceptable ...
  33. Vtel
    Vtel 5 June 2013 17: 12 New
    0
    It’s interesting and lingering that convicts right there are eager to join the enti-sonder teams, except for what business. And then the author decided everything for them, but maybe they disagree so come off, and even in the Caucasus. The tale is good, it’s painfully ephemeral. That's when the war comes, no one will ask tady, forward and with songs.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 5 June 2013 18: 02 New
      -1
      If you offer a person during the sentencing, to serve or sit (in the first case, you can’t blur your biography). It is very likely that a person will choose to serve. It is important that he leaves some money to start this very new life.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 5 June 2013 18: 28 New
        +1
        zvereok
        ale-x-y

        Yes, you are the originals!

        Equate the army to the zone! It’s necessary to think of such a thing!
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 5 June 2013 20: 19 New
          -1
          In France, thought of and do not regret.
  34. Crang
    Crang 5 June 2013 18: 39 New
    +2
    Put a minus, although the author wrote a lot and sometimes even interestingly. At least this:
    The latter does not mean at all that we must renounce adult prisoners or those people who have already served their sentences, but have this label “conviction” that is terrible in our stupid society.
    And you are not an author of this stupid society? Here is your phrase:
    Firstly, not for rapists, definitely! Those who "earned" such an "unpleasant" article generally still have to prove their right to further existence!
    I would mention only a few general rules. Firstly, I repeat, people convicted of rape and similar vile crimes should not be considered at all.
    Starting to climb into the jungle is to blame / not to blame in the case of killers, of all types of "rapists", without batting an eye, you row under one comb and put a label on them just like a "stupid" society does. Do you know sir that the article “rape” just sits the largest percentage innocent of people? Anything can be brought under this - he touched the topic, looked wrong. Yes, the "innocent girl" with angel wings gave you HERSELFand then I wrote a statement to you. And this often happens. Or she sat down at you in a disco and then told her friends that you were trying to rape her ... Why? Yes, just like that, for fun. "Fine" in a womanish way to spoil you, so to speak. And the fact that it will naturally break your life, that you will fall into a cockerel there and even if you survive, you will never return to normal life - she does not give a shit. She will forget about you in a week. Thus, in Russia, the fate of thousands of completely normal guys was broken. I'm not talking about the “take on a woman” technique to achieve some serious goal.
    If you do not understand this, if you sincerely consider women to be innocent "angels", then you are either 5 years old, or you are simply not a serious person. Accordingly, your article is not serious.
    PS It is possible to use criminals in the army only as punishers, as the Nazis once did. Accordingly, the officers to such "soldiers" were selected appropriate. And no more. Manage such "soldiers" will not succeed and they will bring much more harm to our army than to the enemy.
  35. optimist
    optimist 5 June 2013 20: 48 New
    +2
    Article, utter garbage !!! Sometimes pathological graphomaniacs appear on this site. The topic itself is absurd. Is it really so bad in our "indestructible and legendary" business that it’s time to put the prisoners under arms? fool
  36. Anat1974
    Anat1974 5 June 2013 20: 54 New
    +3
    I didn’t read the article to the end, I messed it up - and that’s why. I am not a liberalist, not a lady (or who else should argue with the author according to the scenario), but I am categorically against serving people with a “prison past” in the ranks of the Armed Forces. The “prison past” doesn’t come out of nowhere and doesn’t go anywhere, if a person has been convicted, it means that he already has a mess in his head, he already has no idea what’s good, what’s bad. They will object to me: “How many innocent victims do we have in prisons?” I personally do not know how many of them. But I also do not know (from my life practice) a single person convicted illegally and innocently.
    When I was in my military service, we had 1 convict, do you think he served a lot? Maximum 3 months, orgabil stall-planted.
    There are questions:
    1. Army = garbage can?
    2. How much was the author condemned at one time?
    3. Will his 18-year-old son go to serve with convicts?
  37. Crang
    Crang 5 June 2013 22: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Anat1974
    I personally do not know how many of them. But I also do not know (from my life practice) a single person convicted illegally and innocently.

    I know that.
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  40. Psyjoker
    Psyjoker 6 June 2013 12: 19 New
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    The idea may be a good one, it may be a bad one - I don’t know, I’m not familiar with the subtleties and had no business with convicts.
    I imagined how such fighters enter the territory of another state, in some locality. For some reason, it seems to me that they will have a lot of fun there and with only zealous harassment of the fair sex, things will not end. Almost everyone will have to set an observer. Maybe I'm wrong, but the associations are just that.
    1. Crang
      Crang 6 June 2013 12: 24 New
      +1
      As I said, this contingent can only be used as punishers in the occupied territory of the enemy. That is, legally allowing them to do what they were actually imprisoned for: kill, rob, rape, beat, etc. As soldiers they will not fight - the mentality is not the same.
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 6 June 2013 16: 44 New
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        Will be. And very good. Just keep them in check and not let down on the civilian population.
        1. Crang
          Crang 6 June 2013 20: 10 New
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          Well, you're kidding, huh?
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 6 June 2013 16: 40 New
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      You will fight those who are. Here is a political officer, or now "deputy educational work" will be needed. Such "fighters" may not be allowed to be fired.
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  42. blagomir
    blagomir 6 June 2013 22: 33 New
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    The topic is VERY interesting, but controversially difficult ... !!!
    And let's remember ... that Kvachkov Vladimir Vasilievich ... also now judge ...
  43. blagomir
    blagomir 6 June 2013 22: 40 New
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    Repression in the Red Army 1937 — 1938
    June 27, 1937 Rokossovsky Konstantin Konstantinovich was expelled from the CPSU (b) "for the loss of class vigilance." In the personal file of Rokossovsky there was information that he was closely associated with K.A. Tchaikovsky. On July 22, 1937 he was dismissed from the Red Army "due to official inconsistency." Komkor I. S. Kutyakov testified against the commander of the 2nd rank M. D. Velikanov and others, who, among others, “showed” to K. K. Rokossovsky. The head of the intelligence department of the ZabVO headquarters testified that Rokossovsky in 1932 met with the head of the Japanese military mission in Harbin, Mitaritaro Komatsubara.
    In August 1937 he traveled to Leningrad, where he was arrested on charges of having connections with Polish and Japanese intelligence, becoming a victim of false testimony. He spent two and a half years under investigation (Investigation case No. 25358-1937).
    The evidence was based on the testimony of a Pole Adolf Yushkevich, Rokossovsky's comrade-in-arms in civilian service. But Rokossovsky knew well that Yushkevich died at Perekop. He said that he would sign everything if Adolf was brought to a confrontation. They began to look for Yushkevich and found that he had long died.
    From August 17, 1937 to March 22, 1940, according to a certificate dated April 4, 1940, he was held in the Internal Prison of the State Security Directorate at the NKVD in the Leningrad Region on Shpalernaya Street. According to Rokossovsky’s great-granddaughter, who referred to the stories of Marshal Kazakov’s wife, Rokossovsky was tortured. The head of the Leningrad UNKVD Zakovsky took part in these tortures. Several front teeth were knocked out to Rokossovsky, three ribs were broken, they were beaten on the toes with a hammer, and in 1939 he was taken to the prison yard for execution and given an empty shot. However, Rokossovsky did not give false testimony to himself or to others. According to the great-granddaughter, in his notes he noted that the enemy sowed doubts and deceived the party - this led to the arrest of innocent people. According to Colonel of Justice F. Klimin, who was among the three judges of the Military Collegium of the USSR Armed Forces who examined the Rokossovsky case, a trial was held in March 1939, but all the witnesses who testified were already dead. The consideration of the case was postponed for further investigation, in the autumn of 1939 a second meeting was held, which also postponed the sentencing. According to some assumptions, Rokossovsky was sent to the camp. There is a version that all this time Rokossovsky was in Spain as a military emissary under the pseudonym, presumably, Miguel Martinez (from the "Spanish Diary" of M. E. Koltsov).
    March 22, 1940 was released in connection with the dismissal of the case, at the request of S.K. Timoshenko to I.V. Stalin, and rehabilitated. K.K. Rokossovsky is fully restored in his rights, in the Red Army post and in the party, he spends spring with his family at a resort in Sochi. In the same year, with the introduction of general ranks in the Red Army, he was awarded the title "Major General".
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      EvilLion 18 December 2018 09: 43 New
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      How is it that Rokossovsky was rehabilitated? It can’t be, because everyone was shot. And they also say that Stalin personally apologized to Rokossovsky and Nikitka Khrushchev with his "disclosures" Rokossovsky sent to hell.
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    blagomir 6 June 2013 23: 29 New
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    One of the first five Soviet marshals, the first cavalier of honorary military orders of the Red Banner and Red Star, Vasily Konstantinovich Blucher died of brutal torture (according to the conclusion of the medical examiner, death came from a blockage of the pulmonary artery by a thrombus formed in the pelvic veins; Auth.). in the Lefortovo prison of the NKVD on November 9, 1938. By order of Stalin, his body was taken for medical examination to the infamous Butyrka and burned in a crematorium. And only 4 months later, on March 10, 1939, the courts sentenced the dead marshal to death for "espionage in favor of Japan", "participation in the anti-Soviet organization of the right and in the military conspiracy."
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      EvilLion 18 December 2018 09: 41 New
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      Blucher "distinguished himself" in the defense of the Far East from the Japanese in that he did a little less for this defense than hell and disgusted himself with a skirmish on Lake Hassan. As a result, the award found a hero. Tell the tales of the 80s from The Twinkle elsewhere.
  45. blagomir
    blagomir 6 June 2013 23: 33 New
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    According to the head of the Center for Military History of Russia, Institute of Russian History of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Academician G. A. Kumanev, 1936 officers were repressed from 1938 to 50. 000 people survived.
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      EvilLion 18 December 2018 09: 39 New
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      And let's not lie, especially since repression refers to a huge number of types of disciplinary sanctions, for example, expulsion from the party, imprisonment, demotion, ... After which people not only did not die, but also often wrote complaints to higher ones instances, and even restored.

      I don’t remember the numbers now, but there EMNIP thousand 40 officers were expelled from the army for all reasons, up to retirement.
  46. blagomir
    blagomir 6 June 2013 23: 37 New
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    There would not have been these repressions, probably there would have been no World War II. In the fact that Hitler decided to start the war in the forty-first year, an important role was played by the assessment of the degree of defeat of military personnel that occurred at that time in the USSR.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 18 December 2018 09: 35 New
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      Tie with substances, otherwise glitches have already gone perfect.
      Although it might not have been, all sorts of Tukhachevsky were ready to give Ukraine the same without war. And they were shot, sadness, had to fight.
  47. Darkwinduck
    Darkwinduck 7 June 2013 14: 09 New
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    The first one. The author does not distort the story. He does not write that Napoleon won in Russia, BUT! At the beginning of 1813, after Bonaparte threw the army at Berezina in December 1812, he actually recruited 16-17-year-old boys into sodates and with them at least twice defeated allies in Prussia. So far, due to numerical superiority, he has not been broken near Leipzig (300 allies versus 000 French). One of the reasons - the allied army had a CRAD command. Kutuzov is dead. And stupid nemchura Bennigsen was not suitable for him.
  48. Darkwinduck
    Darkwinduck 7 June 2013 14: 20 New
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    The idea is good, it requires refinement, yes, I do not argue. I suspect that, by the way, the author would suggest himself for the role of political officer, if this were to happen. Our government will NEVER go for it, but the very idea is interesting and deserves a BOLD PLUS !!!
  49. EvilLion
    EvilLion 18 December 2018 09: 33 New
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    They may remind me that the "convicts" who fought in the Patriotic War


    And many of our convicts fought? My grandfather, for example, is now deceased, with 4 convictions just in those years he successfully sat out from the front. At the same time, he was not a scumbag, the first time he sat down at a loaf of bread.

    In general, the system exists in the United States. Right in the courtroom, either the camera or the army, choose. Laughing at their army.

    There are a large number of crimes committed, in principle, unintentionally. It was unlikely that she would take a bus that got under the train, in the morning I thought that let me kill fifty people and go to jail.

    That's just a man who did not care about the laws from the beginning, would not care about them in the army. At the same time, the penalties and especially the penal battalions of the Second World War have one feature, already trained people. In the case of a penal battalion, these are naturally months of training an officer for even the most accelerated programs, so it’s just a pity to lose a scarce qualified specialist, even if he did not give a shot. And whoever enters the army with civilian prisons, I think it’s clear that there are no less to teach these boobies, but there are more problems.