"The state doesn't see enclaves": on migrant enclaves and ways to combat them

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"The state doesn't see enclaves": on migrant enclaves and ways to combat them

Recently, the Center for Analysis of Migration Trends (CAMT) published a report on migrant enclaves in Russia, titled "Top 10 Migrant Enclaves in Russia." It aims to identify areas in Russia where migrants, or "new Russians," are so concentrated that they form stable, isolated communities. It turns out that there are actually quite a few such areas, and their number is growing.

At the same time, according to the authors of the study, the word “enclave” still does not have a legal definition, although the concept of “ethnic enclave” is found in a number of strategic planning documents (for example, in the “Strategy for National Policy of the Russian Federation until 2025,” the formation of “closed ethnic enclaves” is listed among new challenges and threats).



Not a single Russian law regulates the resettlement of migrants—even taking into account the dozens of laws passed after the Crocus City Hall terrorist attack. Not a single government agency has mapped the phenomenon it intends to combat. Which enclaves already exist in Russia, where they are located, and how "closed" they truly are—these questions remain unanswered. It turns out the state is fighting an unknown target.
- says in material CAMT.

The problem is that there is currently no consensus on what exactly qualifies as a migrant or ethno-migrant enclave. Some researchers believe that if migrants do not constitute the majority of the population in a given region or area, it cannot be considered an enclave.

What is a "migrant enclave"?


Traditionally, the characteristics of an enclave include the ethnic community of immigrants, their compact residence in a certain territory, the presence of distinctive cultural and behavioral characteristics that distinguish immigrants from the host population, and the presence of special socio-economic ties and relationships*.

CAMTC gives a broader definition of enclave:

An enclave is a territory of compact residence of migrants of other cultures, where their proportion is significantly higher than in the surrounding area.

CAMMT proposes understanding the formation of an enclave as a process: initially, migrants are attracted by cheap housing and jobs, then family reunification occurs, the proportion of children increases, and a social infrastructure focused primarily on this group is gradually established. The authors consider schools to be a particularly important indicator: in six of the ten territories studied, there are classes where more than half of the students have a migrant background. The number and proportion of migrants, their growth rate, the concentration of children, and the level of conflict are used as criteria for the "maturity" of an enclave.

CAMT examines the 10 largest and most dangerous (according to the study's authors) enclaves in Russia: the Rovensky District of the Saratov Region, the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug (Surgut), the Krasnogvardeisky District of the Republic of Adygea, the Martynovsky District of the Rostov Region, the Temernik microdistrict in the Pervomaysky District of Rostov-on-Don, the village of Shushary (Pushkinsky District of St. Petersburg), Kotelniki (Moscow), Maryino and Lyublino (Moscow), the village of Plekhanovo in the Tula Region, and the city of Obninsk (Kaluga Region). Obninsk is considered one of the most pronounced examples—according to CAMT estimates, the share of migrants there reaches 28%.

According to CAMTS, enclaves already exist in Russia and are not merely a potential threat. The main mechanism for their formation is spatial concentration, followed by family migration and demographic reproduction. Schools are considered a key indicator of enclave establishment. However, the state "doesn't see" these enclaves.

The state doesn't see the enclaves. We were unable to find reliable estimates of the number of migrants or their share of the population, or the proportion of migrant children in schools in half of the enclaves. This is the best illustration of the lack of necessary statistics for an objective and comprehensive assessment of the scale of the enclavization problem.
- says the study.

It's worth noting that the emergence of migrant concentrations in Russia remains poorly studied. Previous studies have focused primarily on ethnocultural fragmentation and integration, rather than on spatial enclavization itself. Russian statistics do not allow for a proper accounting of people with a migration background who have received Russian citizenship, nor do they accurately determine the actual number of foreigners and their actual distribution. This is an important point: the Central Asian Travel and Tourism Association (CAMT), for example, cites a figure of 28% migrants in Obninsk, but there is currently no methodology to officially define who exactly qualifies as a migrant.

The problem is that CAMTS uses the term "migrant enclave" very broadly, including ethnic groups that have long lived in Russia—for example, the Roma settlements in Plekhanovo (established in the 1960s) and the Dungan community in the Saratov region (who have lived there for about 25 years). If we're talking about 75% Dungans or a large Roma settlement, it's no longer a "concentration of foreign migrants." The term "ethnic enclave" is appropriate here, but certainly not a migrant enclave. If a certain ethnic group constitutes the majority of the population, but all of them are Russian citizens and have lived there for many decades, the term "migrant enclave" is not entirely appropriate.

On the other hand, official statistics typically record citizenship; migration status; registration; place of registration; and migration growth. However, they don't provide a simple indicator of "people with a migration background." CAMTC itself is proposing to introduce such a separate indicator. This is both an interesting idea and an acknowledgement of an existing problem: official statistics are truly ill-suited to measuring second-generation migrants and naturalized citizens.

Why do enclaves arise and how to fight them?


The problem of migrant and ethnic enclaves, however, remains unsolved, regardless of the "correctness" of terminology and methodology. In previous articles, the author has repeatedly noted that migrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus in Russia are reluctant to integrate into Russian society, preferring to associate with their compatriots and resolve all issues through diasporas—closed organizations with unclear legal status. In other words, migrants in Russia create closed communities that develop their own infrastructure and hinder integration.

The CAMTS study correctly points out that the emergence of enclaves often occurs not through state oversight, but often with indirect assistance. The enclave in Plekhanovo began with the Roma settlement program in 1956, and Obninsk became an enclave "thanks" to the compatriot resettlement program that began in 2006. Moreover, in all rural enclaves and Obninsk, the overwhelming majority of the newcomers have already received Russian passports, and it is impossible to impose any restrictions on residency in Russia on citizens.

The Center for Agrarian and Migration Studies (CAMT) proposes a number of measures to improve the situation: introducing more effective statistical recording/monitoring of migrants (migration statistics should include not only categories of citizenship and nationality, but also migration history); managing migrants' residence through employers rather than registration; discouraging family members from joining migrant workers; limiting the proportion of children from other cultures in a class to 10%; conducting a mass verification of the grounds for granting citizenship in existing enclaves, etc.

However, the main problem is that Russia, apparently, is pursuing not just the goal of attracting migrants, but also encouraging them to obtain Russian citizenship and move to Russia. Russia is pursuing a corresponding migration policy – ​​a policy of replacement migration, i.e., replenishing natural population decline by attracting migrants, primarily from Central Asian countries.

In this regard, the question arises: is the state interested in the measures indicated by CAMTC?

When the Russian government approved the "Strategy for the Implementation of Family and Demographic Policy and Support for Large Families in the Russian Federation until 2036" in 2025, the document stated that "migration growth remains an important factor in reducing population decline." This means that Russia is consciously approaching migration not only as a means of attracting labor (arrival, work, departure), but also as a means of attracting new citizens.

Some Russian officials have repeatedly spoken about preventing the migration of family members of migrant workers, but in practice, no legislative measures have been taken. Without concrete political and legal solutions, such statements should be dismissed as mere populism.

Note
* See T. A. Bazhan. "Ethnic Enclave as a Socio-Economic Phenomenon in Modern Russia." Bulletin of the Plekhanov Russian University of Economics. 2025.
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  1. + 34
    22 September 2026 04: 20
    Russia, however, appears to be pursuing the goal of not just attracting migrants, but also encouraging them to obtain Russian citizenship and move to Russia. Russia is pursuing a corresponding migration policy—a policy of replacement migration.

    Is there any further comment needed? It's unclear why the State Duma is straining to pass laws against migrants, who are some deputies trying to reach, and why are they writing letters to Bastrykin asking him to stop the migrant chaos if the government has already made its decision long ago? All resettlement programs have been adopted, an agreement with the IOM has been signed, and agreements with the leadership of the Central Asian republics have been reached. The president has already said more than once that his new "compatriots" are very profitable, that they generate income. All he has to do is say that they will be the future titular nation of Russia, like blacks in the US, and that radical Islam will be the main religion. He won't say this, of course, but his henchmen are doing everything to ensure that it happens.
    1. + 12
      22 September 2026 04: 39
      The document stated that “migration growth remains an important factor in reducing population decline.”
      We are shrinking, they are growing...
    2. + 19
      22 September 2026 05: 57
      Large sums of money are allocated to work with migrants, which are successfully utilized by officials and security forces, but that's another story.
      1. +1
        23 September 2026 17: 42
        In fact, funds aren't being allocated in the required amount for the MOST IMPORTANT THING—DEPORTATION of migrants who have broken the law. This is a very sensitive topic—the Ministry of Internal Affairs feeds us tales (disinformation) every year about the number. real deportations (passing off for them the issuance of orders for migrants to leave the Russian Federation, the voluntary departure of migrants from the Russian Federation, etc.) ... more details here: https://dzen.ru/a/aXpSuCxOMy6Uby7R

        The deportation budget is described in one article: https://www.vedomosti.ru/society/articles/2026/01/16/1169633-goszatrati-na-vidvorenie-migrantov-iz-rf - they simply stated the average cost of deporting one Tajik/Uzbek to their home country by air (excluding the costs of arrest, detention in prison/camp, and escort to the plane) = 17300 rubles for 2025. They also stated the budget for the deportation of migrants for all regions: 828,5 million rubles.
        We divide this amount by 17300 rubles and get the number of REAL deportations:

        828500 rubles / 17.3 rubles = 47890 tickets. Only about 50000 migrants (Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz) could be deported with this amount. Of course, deporting Cubans or Indians would require much more money for a plane ticket...
    3. + 16
      22 September 2026 07: 26
      Quote: AlexSam
      He won't say it, of course, but his oprichniks do everything

      He's done and said everything. First, he declared he was attacking terrorists at their farthest approaches, and then he hosted the new Syrian authorities in the Kremlin. How can that be? If that's not a reversal of the rules, what is?
    4. +8
      22 September 2026 07: 56
      Quote: AlexSam
      It's unclear then why the State Duma is straining to pass laws against migrants, who are some deputies trying to reach, and why are they writing letters to Bastrykin asking him to stop the migrant chaos if the authorities have already made up their minds?

      Never mind, the new State Duma will sort everything out now! They promised this before the elections.
      PS: By the way, why isn't there a word about the election results in the news or in Opinions? Even some old articles from yesterday have disappeared from the news...
      1. + 10
        22 September 2026 08: 33
        Quote: Good evil
        Why is there not a word about the election results in the news or in Opinions?

        I'm scared, I think. Everyone understands everything. For a media outlet registered with Roskomnadzor, this could be dangerous.
        1. + 11
          22 September 2026 08: 59
          There was something, but after that I received the 8th warning....
      2. 0
        22 September 2026 15: 29
        Quote: Good evil
        PS: By the way, why isn't there a word about the election results in the news or in Opinions? Even some old articles from yesterday have disappeared from the news...

        There is
        https://topwar.ru/290136-edinaja-rossija-blizka-k-sohraneniju-konstitucionnogo-bolshinstva-v-gd-rf.html#comment-id-16287472
        1. 0
          22 September 2026 15: 35
          I'm not talking about everything.
          From the news, even old ones from yesterday some articles have disappeared...
          The later ones disappeared.
          1. 0
            22 September 2026 16: 07
            Quote: Good evil
            I'm not talking about everything.
            From the news, even old ones from yesterday some articles have disappeared...
            The later ones disappeared.

            Commentators forget that "VO" is a licensed media outlet.
    5. The comment was deleted.
    6. + 14
      22 September 2026 09: 12
      Quote: AlexSam
      Is there any need to comment further? It's unclear why the State Duma is so eager to pass laws against migrants.

      The Pushkin City Court once again demonstrated to the world what true humanism is. 32-year-old Jurabek Shukurov, a native of Uzbekistan who apparently integrated very diligently into Russian life, was sentenced to eight years in prison.

      The story of this “valuable foreign specialist” began in March 2026.

      After tasting a fair amount of "haram drinks," Zhurabek decided to vent his pent-up energy on his wife. The result: more than 36 punches and kicks to her vital organs. She died instantly from a ruptured liver and other serious injuries. But the "specialist" didn't stop there: he simply dumped his lover's body in the trash, where it was discovered by utility workers.
      However, the justice system decided to show mercy. Instead of the murder charge (Article 105), the court applied Part 4 of Article 111 of the Russian Criminal Code—intentional infliction of grievous bodily harm resulting in death through negligence. Apparently, in the court's understanding, 36 crushing blows constituted the very same "negligence," and the migrant had no intention of killing.

      Eight years for such an "accidental" beating and dumping of a body in a trash bin is a "worthy" example of how humanism trumps common sense. However, given the general trend of tolerant humanism toward honored guests, in a couple of years the case could be dropped entirely and the person released on parole.
      1. + 10
        22 September 2026 14: 30
        When the critical mass exceeds the threshold, these humanists will not be protected by high fences or hired bodyguards, who are unlikely to save the owner and his property. This looks very much like mass insanity among those in power. After all, power has always been based on the identity of the population, a common cultural and behavioral code. If they hope to flee abroad, it will not be easy, firstly, whether the fire breaks out or not. They will simply be pushed out of power by outsiders, and therefore robbed before being released. Secondly, wherever they run, no one will ever become one of their own.
        1. +4
          22 September 2026 16: 23
          Quote: Essex62
          When the critical mass exceeds the threshold, these humanists will not be protected by either high fences or hired bodyguards, who are unlikely to save the owner and his property.

          I saw all this in France, especially in the south, Marseille, Toulon.
          There, the local population stays in their homes after sunset, and they stage demonstrative "namaz" (prayer) services in the streets, blocking traffic.
          Macron is pompously organizing "coalitions of the willing" when, in practice, a hidden war is being waged in the country, which the French will not win.
          Ceuta is already a wake-up call for Europe. Russia should take this into account.
          The Russian Security Council apparatus service reports:

          "In the first quarter of 2026, 2,5 million foreign citizens and stateless persons entered the Russian Federation," the statement reads. The press service noted that this figure is 15% lower than for the same period in 2025. Nearly 1,8 million of those arriving were citizens of CIS countries, accounting for 72,4%.
      2. -5
        22 September 2026 15: 34
        Quote: carpenter
        The woman died at the scene from a ruptured liver and a combination of other serious injuries.

        Apparently, they couldn't prove death on the spot, so they reclassified the article. This happens all the time.
        Moreover, regardless of nationality
        1. +1
          23 September 2026 19: 38
          Long sentences put a strain on prisons and camps—feed them, guard them, and feed the guards. It's time to move on to the experience of the 30s and 50s. Sentences of up to 15 years; anything longer is execution! And in the camps, they must work 12 hours a day, not 8. Otherwise, Russia will lose its sense of ownership of the Russian land.
          1. 0
            23 September 2026 21: 21
            Quote: Vladimir the sea master
            It's time to move on to the experience of the 30-50s

            The problem is that it later turned out that a certain number of people died accidentally, without any fault.
            And this is taking into account that the corruption component was small at that time.
            Are you personally prepared to be accidentally, without any fault of your own, spanked?
            No, later, in 20-30 years, you might be rehabilitated...maybe....
    7. +4
      22 September 2026 16: 22
      So, to prevent this from happening, we should have at least tried to roll the er... But, we are inert...
      We know everything, we see everything, but....
      1. +2
        23 September 2026 13: 47
        We should have at least tried to roll the er... But, we are inert..


        The current "elections" have shown that it's not how many people vote, but who counts the votes that matters. It seems the current government will be carried off feet first in a few decades by armed sailors. For example.
        1. 0
          23 September 2026 21: 23
          Quote: cast iron
          The current government will likely be carried off feet first in a few decades by armed sailors. For example.

          In 1991, power was carried out feet first - excluding the fact that behind it stood sailors, the army, the nuclear forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB, etc.
      2. 0
        23 September 2026 15: 27
        Will you be allowed to voice the numbers? "Only a rifle butt into the Golden Gate." (c)
  2. + 26
    22 September 2026 04: 41
    It's been said many times: when this mass crosses a critical threshold, these enclaves will become cognates, caliphates, khanates, and other such nonsense! And the Slavs will live in separate reservations. The country will lose its integrity and essentially fall apart. 🤷‍♂️
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        1. 0
          23 September 2026 21: 24
          Quote: cast iron
          repatriation of Russians without any exams and other nonsense?

          What nationality are my friends Sergei Sergeevich Sergey and Vasily Petrovich Nikolaev?
          1. 0
            24 September 2026 09: 28
            Are you against the repatriation of Russians to Russia?
            1. 0
              24 September 2026 18: 48
              Quote: cast iron
              Are you against the repatriation of Russians to Russia?

              Again -
              Quote: your1970
              What nationality are my friends Sergei Sergeevich Sergey and Vasily Petrovich Nikolaev?

              Once you determine their nationality, then we'll talk about repatriation.
              1. 0
                25 September 2026 19: 18
                Once you determine their nationality, then we'll talk about repatriation.


                Once you decide whether repatriation of Russians to Russia is necessary, we will continue the dialogue. As for the nationality of your "friends," you should ask your "friends" themselves.
                1. 0
                  25 September 2026 19: 39
                  Quote: cast iron
                  Once you determine their nationality, then we'll talk about repatriation.


                  Once you decide whether repatriation of Russians to Russia is necessary, we will continue the dialogue. As for the nationality of your "friends," you should ask your "friends" themselves.

                  You couldn't determine their nationality - how will you determine who is RUSSIAN so that you can repatriate them without exams?
                  Just by the face?

                  Z.y
                  Good friends - one from school, the other from my ex's work
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2026 09: 33
                    How will you identify RUSSIANS so that they can be repatriated without exams?
                    Just by the face?


                    It's interesting, you're again having some kind of insoluble problem when it comes to doing good for Russians and Russia. The Germans and Jews had no problem with repatriates. And suddenly you have a complete problem! Let me tell you. One thoughtful conversation with a potential repatriate is enough to understand whether they are Russian or not. And they might not even be ethnically Russian, but, for example, Tatar or Jewish. Can you imagine?
                    1. 0
                      26 September 2026 19: 41
                      Quote: cast iron
                      I'll tell you simply. One thoughtful conversation with a prospective repatriate is enough to understand whether they are Russian or not. Moreover, they may not even be ethnically Russian, but, for example, Tatar or Jewish.
                      - I believe it, but there is a nuance...
                      You are ready PERSONALLY Have a thoughtful conversation with 7 million migrants?!!
                      There are a certain number of incorruptible, honest, and decent employees—there definitely are. It wasn't for nothing that I worked as a customs officer for 12 years. The problem is that you come across NOT honest, NOT decent, ordinary bribe-takers.
                      And so, among you and me, there is someone like this - "he will have a thoughtful conversation" with a ton of bucks in his pocket.
                      You see the result.....
                      Can you imagine?
                      It wasn't just for nothing that I suggested you decide -
                      Quote: your1970
                      What nationality are my friends Sergei Sergeevich Sergey and Vasily Petrovich Nikolaev?
                      1. 0
                        27 September 2026 09: 36
                        Are you ready to have a thoughtful conversation with 7 million migrants PERSONALLY?!!


                        There's no need to talk to 7 million. It's enough to talk to those who speak Russian at a basic level. And immediately, 7 million will be reduced to 1 million.

                        There are a certain number of incorruptible, honest and decent employees


                        First, pay your employees properly, not some cheap handout. Second, keep an eye on your employees. Who would have thought that, right?

                        Among you and me, there are those who "have a thoughtful conversation" with a ton of bucks in their pocket.


                        A videotaped interview with two or three law enforcement officers from different departments or agencies. The penalty for taking the money is 20 years of forced labor without parole. Everything is solvable.

                        You see the result.....
                        Can you imagine?


                        So, Jews and Germans are smart, but we Russians are stupid, right? Can't tell a Russian from a non-Russian? Right? Only Jews and Germans. And no one else, right? Something brown smells in there.
                      2. 0
                        27 September 2026 12: 21
                        Quote: cast iron
                        It is enough to talk to those who know Russian at a basic level.

                        Did someone beat their chest - "no exams" or are you just not listening to yourself? How can you determine 1 million without surveying 7 million?

                        Quote: cast iron
                        First, pay your employees properly, not some cheap handout. Second, keep an eye on your employees. Who would have thought that, right?

                        Quote: cast iron
                        A videotaped interview with two or three law enforcement officers from different departments or agencies. The penalty for taking the money is 20 years of forced labor without parole. Everything is solvable.
                        -
                        Soviet traffic cops were well paid. But Bobkov also said that the KGB would target a specific traffic cop when his one-time bribe exceeded three rubles per person. Because "he had the opportunity to bribe his superiors in large quantities."
                        And now they’ll just increase the thickness of the cutlet and share it with the bosses and “2-3 security officials.”
                        And if it really is 20 years without parole, they'll just tell you, "Shove your high salary in." And that's it - you'll be left without employees.
                        Of the 56 generals executed during WWII, six were executed for embezzlement, among other things. Even though they knew full well that under the 1926 Criminal Code of the RSFSR, wartime crimes against the state and military crimes were punishable by death without question.

                        Quote: cast iron
                        So, Jews and Germans are smart, but we Russians are stupid, right?
                        if SUDDENLY You didn't know - both Jews and Germans DEMANDED confirmation of nationality DOCUMENTSIn USSR passports there was a column 5 - nationality.
                        Moreover, the Jews demanded confirmation of the nationality of the mother of the person leaving.1⁰⁰⁰
                        In case you didn't know, USSR passports were destroyed en masse long ago, and CIS passports don't indicate nationality.


                        Quote: cast iron
                        It smells like something brown.

                        It smacks of a desire to import as many ANYONE as possible who speaks even a little Russian...
                        "He'll talk," yeah...
                      3. 0
                        28 September 2026 11: 19
                        It smacks of a desire to import as many ANYONE as possible who speaks even a little Russian...
                        "He'll talk," yeah...


                        I understand everything about you. Dear Russian, who hates Russians abandoned by their country in 1991.
                      4. 0
                        28 September 2026 11: 33
                        Quote: cast iron
                        It smacks of a desire to import as many ANYONE as possible who speaks even a little Russian...
                        "He'll talk," yeah...


                        I understand everything about you. Dear Russian, who hates Russians abandoned by their country in 1991.

                        And everything is clear with you - you NOT were able to offer an adequate replacement for the exam and at least some way of identifying one's nationality - WITHOUT corruption.
                        Your proposal "to talk" - looks stupid both in terms of the volume (several million people) and in terms of the corruption component (the one who gave the bribe will easily speak Russian even if he is mute).
                        You couldn't determine the nationality of my friends by their full names, but you take it upon yourself to easily sort people at your discretion.


                        Quote: cast iron
                        Dear Russian, who hates Russians abandoned by the country in 1991.
                        This is not for me - this is for the homosexuals from the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Central Committee of the Republics - who flushed the country down the toilet.
                        It is a they You were abandoned - not me.
                        This is thanks to them They slaughtered Russians in Central Asia and the Caucasus.
                        This 19 million flock of sheep called members of the CPSU chose such leaders for themselves - it was not I who moved MSG and EBN.
                        So you can drool as much as you like, but this is not the right place.
                        Your accusations against me are accusations against the Reichstag janitor, not against Hitler, for starting WWII.

                        Z.y
                        What is the nationality of Serik Aidnalievich Bisengaliev, my deskmate at school?
                        Hint: he's not Kazakh...
                        Weak?
    2. + 13
      22 September 2026 07: 46
      Alas, I don't think the Slavs will survive under these circumstances. Judging by the events after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Only this time, there will be nowhere to run...
  3. + 11
    22 September 2026 05: 08
    In my city, the Khilok market is a full-fledged enclave of newcomers from the south.
    There is a full range of criminal delights there...from drugs to illegal aliens...it flourishes and smells sweet.
    1. + 12
      22 September 2026 06: 43
      There are plenty of such mini-enclaves everywhere - for example, cafes where only they go, because no Russian would think of going into an establishment filled with these characters.

      In general, it's all like classic American ethnic neighborhoods. Only, there aren't actually that many blacks in America, but how many immigrants are planned for the EU?
    2. 0
      23 September 2026 13: 53
      In my city, the Khilok market is a full-fledged enclave of newcomers from the south.


      Did you vote for United Russia? If so, then you personally support it.
  4. + 17
    22 September 2026 06: 03
    There is no longer any desire to comment on anything: by choosing United Russia, Russian citizens approved the actions of the Government and the domestic policy it is pursuing in relation to its citizens.
    This means that everything is fine in Russia.
    1. + 16
      22 September 2026 06: 48
      I wouldn't say they elected her. Unfortunately, too many have simply stopped going to the polls, having completely lost faith that anything can be done. And the official figures are questionable—how could so many people vote for her after all the brutal chaos that happened during the previous term? Have people really become so stupid?
      1. +7
        22 September 2026 08: 53
        Quote: paul3390
        And the official figures are questionable.

        Yesterday, we applied the Kisling-Shpilkin method to these elections. It showed United Russia received around 34%, which is indirectly confirmed by the polling station where my friend served on the commission.
        The final protocol looked like this (this is Moscow):
        I give only significant calculation results only paper ballots.
        Party:
        1. Communist Party of the Russian Federation - 277
        2. EP - 227
        3. New People - 217
        Single-mandate constituencies:
        1. United Russia (member of the SVO) - 199
        2. Apple - 184
        3. Communist Party of the Russian Federation - 172
        Everything else is an arithmetic error.

        And IMHO, I think this is very close to the reality around me. Of my acquaintances, friends, and relatives, not a single one voted for United Russia (or at least was embarrassed to admit it). This is Moscow, though, which, like the vast majority of large cities, has always been known for its "protest" voting.
        Next the shaman joins in. Churov Panfilova, and here's the final result: United Russia has 350 seats, and the Communists, instead of 57, got 40. Param-para-pam!
        The logic here is the same as in Putin's election. Each subsequent Putin must defeat the previous Putin, demonstrating steadily growing support. Similarly, United Russia couldn't project a worse result than in the last election, since the leader personally sided with them for the first time (previously, he had pointedly declared himself non-partisan and above the fray). And in the last one, they had 326 votes, so they were obliged to increase their vote total and seats.
        1. +1
          22 September 2026 14: 32
          The plastic world had won once again. Yegorka was right, but even he couldn't have imagined this.
        2. +9
          22 September 2026 14: 38
          Such figures are possible anywhere. It's just that no one has, or ever will have, access to the main figures, the ones voiced and accepted as the truth. There's no real opposition in Russia with such resources and real power capable of verifying the results. And most importantly, the population couldn't care less. This has been going on since the referendum on preserving the Union. Spinelessness will cost you the loss of your country and extinction (annihilation).
  5. K_4
    + 13
    22 September 2026 06: 03
    So what do you expect? People are silent and cheering, nobody cares. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow they introduce slavery and everyone just grumbles and silently goes to the master for collars. It's all really disgusting. People have turned into such weaklings. Nothing good awaits us in the future.
    1. + 11
      22 September 2026 07: 08
      Quote: K_4
      everyone will just grumble and silently go to the owner for collars.

      You will be informed about the master to whom you will be assigned through government services.
    2. + 12
      22 September 2026 07: 42
      The war factor is a major factor here, no matter how you look at it. Many people have decided that starting a ruckus in this situation isn't the best idea... And, in fact, that's probably true. But sooner or later—surely it will all end? Although... Apparently, alas, it's only just beginning; it seems the decision for Gayropa to wage war on us has already been made. And in the coming years, at that. So, what are we to do in such a scenario? The authorities won't give up all this hooliganism easily; they don't care about the will of the people when it comes to their own personal trough...
      1. +8
        22 September 2026 14: 40
        When NATO finally gets going (I can imagine the astonishment of Vechny and his General Staff clique, who have been fighting NATO for five years now, and haven't even started yet), all these "compatriots" of his will flee back to their villages. True, they'll be shot at the border crossings by their own people, since they don't really need Wahhabis, but that's another story. They won't stand under his banner and fight for their new homeland; that's not what they came for. That's the only good thing about the prospect of war with NATO.
        1. +1
          23 September 2026 17: 27
          They won't chicken out: their dear partners will start paying them in foreign currency for sabotage, unrest, intelligence, terrorist attacks, and other subversive activities—and this has already happened in Iran.
    3. +2
      22 September 2026 08: 39
      Like in an old joke.
      - You will be hanged tomorrow! Any questions?
      - Should I bring my own rope, or will the union provide one?
    4. +6
      22 September 2026 11: 12
      People have long understood that there's no point in going to the circus called "elections" and acting as clowns for the benefit of the bourgeoisie. They'll write it the way the authorities want. Now, if no one had come, that would have been a problem. What are the bourgeoisie supposed to do if no one voted? There's no legitimacy. They could do it like the Frogs did: one person from all over the country showed up, and everything is fine. That's a victory.
      1. +3
        22 September 2026 14: 45
        The Czechs will definitely come. No, they won't, of course, they're all here and a little at the front, but they'll write the right thing there. Putin's foot soldier, for example, got a modest 99,85%. The remaining 0,15% were probably Chechen gays.
      2. 0
        24 September 2026 13: 21
        If no one had come, then that would have been a problem.


        Have you been in a coma for the last 30 years? You're not aware that Russia abolished the minimum voter turnout threshold a million years ago. If even one United Russia member shows up and votes, the election is a success!
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  7. + 12
    22 September 2026 06: 35
    [Quote"The state doesn't see enclaves": on migrant enclaves and ways to combat them] [/ Quote]
    Russia's main enemy is the Russian official, no matter what they wear—a uniform or a judicial gown. And the higher their position, the greater the harm they cause.
    1. +2
      22 September 2026 09: 01
      Now you'll get a slap in the face for such sedition.😂
    2. -1
      22 September 2026 15: 38
      Quote: Idle_piston
      [Quote"The state doesn't see enclaves": on migrant enclaves and ways to combat them]

      Russia's main enemy is the Russian official, no matter what they wear—a uniform or a judicial robe. And the higher their position, the greater the harm they cause.
      And who was the USSR's main enemy when the country collapsed? Did Gorbachev take off everyone's pants?
  8. +6
    22 September 2026 06: 37
    If you're going to say "where," then say "who." Because no less dangerous than "where" is "who." That is, diasporas live in enclaves. The main danger, first and foremost, is diasporas. Especially under the leadership of leaders who are often already high-ranking local officials. Incidentally, I suspect that if Russians were to create their own diaspora, led by a patron of Russians high up in the local government, then Tajiks, other Uzbeks, and even Armenians would immediately start screaming about Great Russian chauvinism all over Russia.
    And all this is the result of the absence in the Constitution of articles stating that it was the Russian people who, over a thousand years, created the Russian state called Russia, and that the Russian people were assisted in this by the national and ethnic minorities indigenous to the lands that became part of Russia. These minorities, within a single state, are considered a national minority in relation to the Russian people on a national scale. Naturally, the Constitution should also have included paragraphs on the Russian language as the official language throughout the country. Russian should be the dominant language throughout the country, and national languages ​​(for example, in the names of buildings or in posters) can be used as folkloric or ethnographic explanations. We recently returned from a cruise along the Volga on the ship "Mstislav Rostropovich." Well, Moscow, Tver, Yaroslavl, Rybinsk, Nizhny Novgorod, Cheboksary, and Kazan are beautiful. But in Kazan, many buildings have names written in the dominant Tatar language, while the official Russian language is omitted, in a noticeably smaller font, etc. Incidentally, in the Baltics during the Soviet era, it was exactly the same with street names, house names, and posters. They were in capital letters in the national languages, and below them, in small font, were the names in the then official Russian language. Or sometimes there were no names in Russian at all. And you all know very well how it all ended.
    1. +7
      22 September 2026 09: 34
      Let's try a simple experiment. Let's say, a café staffed exclusively by Slavs. A migrant passing by—could he safely enter? Absolutely no doubt about it, both on his part and on the part of those sitting there. But how many of us would think of going into a diner staffed exclusively by migrants? Or, say, a gym—would you go to one filled exclusively with them? I doubt it... And so on and so forth... Maybe they won't do anything harmful to you, but you'll definitely feel uncomfortable there. The same can't be said for the opposite situation.

      In my opinion, this is all you need to know about the essence of the policy being pursued in this area... and its consequences.
      1. -6
        22 September 2026 13: 54
        You shouldn't judge by yourself, I've been to eateries full of migrants more than once, and I've seen their surprised faces - but in general it doesn't matter.
        I used to go to gyms like that, and it's all the same. Maybe it's because I spent a lot of time in multinational groups in the oil industry, lived in the Far East and the Urals, and I'm completely cool with it.
        Regarding the gym, I remembered an interview with F. Emelianenko about how, at the beginning of his career in the early 2000s, he went to the Volk Khan wrestling gym for several years in Tula. He and Mikhail Ilyukhin were Russians, while the other fifteen were from Dagestan. It didn't seem to bother him. Those who want to find a way, those who don't, make excuses.
        1. +6
          22 September 2026 14: 23
          Congratulations – you're a true tolerant person. Take care of yourself – there are fewer and fewer of you like you.

          And don't confuse Soviet times with today's. Again, migrants behave very differently at home and here.
          1. -3
            22 September 2026 14: 43
            What kind of tolerant person are you trying to insult?)) No, I'm an ordinary Soviet person and am used to judging people by their actions, not by how their fellow tribesmen behave elsewhere or what nationality their parents were born to. I've even encountered normal Roma in my life. It seems your life experience is limited to living in the Central Federal District, where there are only Slavs, since the idea of ​​going into a place with non-Russians is so scary. In Moscow, I've also been to many of the dive bars with only taxi drivers if I've been there along the way, and I haven't seen any downsides or inconveniences, except for the lack of beer.
      2. +5
        22 September 2026 14: 47
        They don't go to cafes and they have their own gyms. They don't even see the problem. Until they start cutting them down and ask them to vacate their chair and mansion.
      3. -5
        22 September 2026 15: 44
        Quote: paul3390
        But how many of us would think of stopping by a diner full of migrants? Or, say, a gym—would you go to one filled entirely with them? Oh, I doubt it... And so on and so forth.

        And you will go to a cafe where they sit only OURS Kazakhs (living here for more than 100 years) or Kurds (living in the Saratov region since 1970) or Koreans (living here since the 1950s) or Kazan Tatars (Ivan the Terrible, the infection, annexed lol)?
        Or are you only confused by Tajiks?
        1. +5
          22 September 2026 16: 25
          And you? I take it there's nothing bothering you about what's happening in the country?
          1. -6
            22 September 2026 16: 46
            Quote: paul3390
            And you? I take it there's nothing bothering you about what's happening in the country?

            You didn't answer my question. Did you dislike the actions of the Soviet government? Or was it just "this is different!!!" (C)?

            Quote: paul3390
            As I understand it, there is nothing that bothers you about what is happening in the country?

            It's confusing, but much less so than Muscovites. lol
            I have always said and will continue to say that if the salary cap for Muscovites is cut to 50,000, in a week the population of Moscow will decrease by 10 million, and there will be no migrants left at all.
    2. -1
      22 September 2026 13: 47
      I'm surprised you mentioned the signs in Kazan. In such republics, local laws require signs to be in both Russian and the local language, and of the same font and size. A quick search for photos of signs online yields a ton of photos in Kazan with letters of the same size. It seems you've encountered some oddly sized ones.
    3. -1
      30 September 2026 07: 18
      You write nonsense without knowing anything.
  9. +9
    22 September 2026 06: 39
    Where are the guards? The ones who approve of all this. I don't see them here.
    1. + 15
      22 September 2026 07: 09
      Quote from seamen2
      Where are the guards?

      At awkward moments, they retreat into the shadows. But only for a short time. Then they return and call forum members (those who don't support the ruling party) "tsypso-niks," "liberoids," "Navalny supporters"... It's their favorite pastime.
      1. +7
        22 September 2026 08: 02
        Yes, now they'll be shamefacedly pointing out the downvotes. They have nothing to say in defense of their idol.
  10. +9
    22 September 2026 06: 42
    The state does not see the enclaves

    It's not the state, but today's statist capitalists. They don't see the mines they themselves are laying.

    Migrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus who are in Russia do not want to integrate into Russian society

    Why integrate them into Russian society? No need. There's no need to bring them in at all. Those who need to can go to Central Asia (or somewhere else) and integrate with the local population there as much as they want.
    1. -5
      22 September 2026 09: 57
      Why integrate them into Russian society? No need. There's no need to bring them in at all.

      there is a shortage of workers
      All the heavy work at my company is done by newcomers.
      and they even work in the evenings and on weekends (just pay money)

      Russians don't do this kind of work
      1. +6
        22 September 2026 10: 15
        Quote: OlegEKB
        Russians don't do this kind of work

        Have you tried paying? Complying with the Labor Code, etc.?
        I'm asking honestly, I'm curious.
        1. -1
          22 September 2026 10: 25
          I'm answering you without any sarcasm.
          We don't have wage discrimination based on nationality, and in the summer even students work for the same money.
          Working hours, yes, there are times when the same truck needs to be dumped after work hours or on Saturday, for example (this is all paid, you can't just force migrants to do it these days), again, not even by hand, pallet trucks, forklifts are available
          Well, and visitors, as a rule, don't have the "oh, I have to take the kid to school on September 1st" mentality, sick leave, or hangovers after the ZPL (although this has become less common among Russians lately).

          My children, for example, worked for me part-time while they were students, and the conditions were all right, but they just don't see themselves in low-skilled jobs.
          1. +5
            22 September 2026 11: 23
            It's important to understand that the problem of staff shortages is a constant occurrence for employers. This is especially acute in low-skilled and demanding jobs, where turnover is high. This is understandable: the salary offered doesn't provide a sufficient influx of applicants, and competitors are poaching employees. HR management is an ongoing process. Almost any entrepreneur will confirm that they are experiencing a labor shortage. This is a normal working situation. It will never be different.
            1. +1
              22 September 2026 13: 48
              aiiiiiiiiiiii?
              Well, you kind of voiced some truth.
              What should I do with this?
            2. 0
              22 September 2026 15: 52
              Quote: Stas157
              It's important to understand that the problem of staff shortages is a constant occurrence for employers. This is especially acute in low-skilled and demanding jobs, where turnover is high. This is understandable: the salary offered doesn't provide a sufficient influx of applicants, and competitors are poaching employees. HR management is an ongoing process. Almost any entrepreneur will confirm that they are experiencing a labor shortage. This is a normal working situation. It will never be different.

              Have you ever worked in the field?
              Our Koreans (Soviet ones!!) worked on vegetables themselves and hired migrants - since 2021 they have stopped coming.
              Last year, Koreans stopped growing crops—there was no one to work—and began traveling to South Korea themselves to earn money.
              They couldn't pay more than 60 pipes - there was no point, the work was a loss.
              But people don't have that kind of money to buy tomatoes for 150.
          2. +4
            22 September 2026 14: 55
            I don't have any. Only the state, according to the wage scale or production quotas. And the state, of course, provides free daycare/kindergarten/school/university for children, housing, travel vouchers, pensions, and so on. You can't provide that to your employees, can you?
            Look, they'll start producing their own workers. And the Uzbeks will be at home picking cotton for the rich. There won't be such a mass production.
            1. -3
              22 September 2026 15: 47
              And it's a darling, and it provides free nursery/kindergarten/school/college for children, and housing, and travel vouchers, and pensions, and so on and so forth. You can't provide that to your employee, can you?

              Why do we need a government at all if you decide to delegate all these functions to business?
              1. +1
                23 September 2026 20: 21
                Absolutely not. You simply don't understand. What the hell is business when there's a wage scale, production quotas, and a State Planning Commission? Like everything else, and no profit. It's wages earned through personal labor. That's when there's enough for everyone, and the state has everything listed above.
                1. 0
                  23 September 2026 20: 35
                  Payment earned through personal labor.


                  Watch the film "The Prize"
                  How can you fail to fulfill your plan and still receive bonuses?
                  1. 0
                    23 September 2026 20: 43
                    Why are you trying to push these distortions on me? I don't need a movie; I've witnessed similar phenomena in real life, and we've even collectively stopped them. It's impossible to eliminate theft and corruption under any system. Only under communism, there simply wouldn't be any point. But that's a long way off.
                    1. -1
                      23 September 2026 21: 21
                      Why are you conveying these distortions to me?

                      it's a system
                      Please, in real life, housing construction in the Soviet system, when construction trusts were more than happy to carry out excavation work, assemble the frame, even glaze, because the volumes were large, and for such large volumes they were paid well according to your tariff scales
                      And finishing and fixing the flaws were neglected because it was a small job and wouldn't bring in much money. Of course, they did it because the building couldn't be completed. But what about quality? A Soviet citizen would choke on quality; at least he had a roof over his head. And there were those houses with holes through which the wind blew into the apartments in winter (I lived in one myself).

                      Similarly, oil production in the Soviet Union was boosted by easily accessible oil, as they chased production volumes and abandoned these wells to die, after which they pumped out the light oil. And these wells died.

                      And all these are your tariff scales, standards, plans, etc.
                      The worker wasn't concerned with production efficiency or quality, but rather with the volume of quantities, meters, plan fulfillment, and so on. Because they understood, well, what else can you do, as a citizen, and that's all that matters.
                      1. +1
                        23 September 2026 21: 27
                        And today, is the level of care and quality simply off the charts? lol The wind isn't blowing today because of modern technology and materials. I remember there were also drafts coming from the cracks in the Marseilles hotel in 1978. laughing And yet, this production did exist, and today it's in China. And who said capitalism and a drone on the worker's neck are needed to eliminate these shortcomings? It's all in our hands.
                      2. 0
                        23 September 2026 21: 33
                        And today, is the level of care and quality simply off the charts?

                        and today the buyer has a choice
                        When buying the same apartment, I look at the developer and the quality of the buildings they've delivered. Moreover, there are inspectors who will professionally describe any defects, and these can be easily recovered through the courts.

                        And who said that to eliminate these shortcomings we need capitalism and a drone on the worker’s neck?

                        I'm not talking about capitalism, I'm saying that the volume of production multiplied by the wages paid to the worker/shop/trust/factory led to my parents chasing Finnish boots, Yugoslav wall units, and Japanese tape recorders, considering them a sign of quality and comfort. My Vesna tape recorder died a year later.
                      3. +1
                        23 September 2026 21: 46
                        The buyer has no choice but to be trapped in a mortgage for life. Only in a fairy tale can an ordinary citizen win a lawsuit against a rich man. You're projecting the conditions of the bourgeoisie, forgetting that you earn a paltry percentage. However, they get it too, remembering how apartment buyers were robbed (the so-called Dolina case).

                        Once again, all of this can be fixed. Priorities need to be set correctly. Don't we know how to sew boots and make wall-mounted wardrobes and tape recorders? For that, we definitely need a layer of freeloaders. Aren't there enough competent managers with high salaries? Priorities and competence. The hardest thing is to break the self-serving mentality. That's where the bottleneck is sure to occur.
                      4. -1
                        23 September 2026 21: 51
                        what does this have to do with it
                        You're talking about the wage scales and standards that existed in the Soviet Union,
                        I'm telling you, all this led to our country failing in terms of consumer goods.
                        because they prioritized plans over quality
                        and the citizen of the country was forced to take what was given, because there was no other option

                        I suggest we end it here, because we'll start going in circles.
                        Thank you for the discussion
                      5. +1
                        23 September 2026 21: 53
                        It never disappeared. It was a lie from the perestroika supporters, enemies of Soviet power and socialism. It was pure sabotage, a means of stirring up trouble.
                        All the best. And thank you. hi
      2. + 10
        22 September 2026 11: 11
        Quote: OlegEKB
        Russians don't do this kind of work

        There's no job that people won't do. There are jobs that pay little.

        I was constantly hiring (in the 2000s) for construction and loading/unloading work (railcars). The Uzbeks were asking me for more than the locals. But the price is the deciding factor. Raise the wages two or three times, and you won't have any problems with workers (Russian or otherwise)!

        I understand my advice is useless. And you can't do it. Because you can't pay more than your competitors pay for the work. But imagine that there are no more migrants. Only locals remain. Do you think all the hard work will stop? Of course not! It's just that everyone (you and your competitors) will be forced to pay more for the same work.
        1. -1
          22 September 2026 13: 47
          Raise the pay two or three times and you won't have any problems with workers (Russian or otherwise)!

          It's just that everyone (you and your competitors) will be forced to pay more for the same work.


          No problem, it will all just go into the price
          Are you ready to pay for everyday purchases, even twice as much?
          1. +4
            22 September 2026 14: 53
            Is your business somehow connected to our homegrown salesmen, who won't even get off their asses unless they see 100% (or 200, 300, I don't know what the rules of the game are in trade) net profit? If it's not connected and your conscience is clear, then what's the problem? As it is, we see you justifying your unwillingness to pay decent wages by saying that baboons are absolutely necessary. No offense, but the average person (the people, the electorate) sees this as the primary reason.
            1. -1
              22 September 2026 15: 42
              Is your business somehow connected to our home-grown salesmen, who, unless they see 100% (or 200, 300, I don’t know what the rules of the game are in trade) net profit, won’t even get off their asses?

              Every business ends up making a sale, and the Martians don't need our products yet.

              And so we see that you justify the unwillingness to pay decent wages, so baboons are in dire need.

              once again, people don't want to work,
              taxis and couriers pay more
              1. +2
                22 September 2026 16: 24
                Quote: OlegEKB
                any business has a sale as its final point

                And you can't argue... But here, following logic, the FAS, relevant Duma committees, the tax service, and the prosecutor's office should be monitoring retailers' prices. Judging by the prices of groceries, essentials, baby products, medicines, and utilities, they're doing a slapdash job. They're the sovereign's people, what can you do?
          2. +3
            22 September 2026 15: 02
            And you, curb your own appetites and don't raise prices. Will you go under? It would be wonderful if this whole abomination called capitalism did.
            1. -3
              22 September 2026 15: 44
              And you curb your own appetites and don't raise your prices. Will you go broke?

              I can tell you roughly the same thing in response
              You should curb your appetites. Why do you need a big salary? A garden, your own potatoes, and that will be enough for you to feed yourself.
              1. +1
                23 September 2026 20: 35
                Why is that? If a person works, they're entitled to a salary. Why would anyone need a parasite if the state can provide an unlimited number of jobs? And even with a slight difference in salary for the same work and skills. A small difference of 10-20 rubles, admittedly. That's how it was, and it worked perfectly. And personnel were trained to meet any demand. Everyone benefited, both the employer (the state) and the employee. A Soviet lathe operator had far more freedom of choice than today's. Because "we'll buy everything there" eliminated industrial production almost completely. There's a shortage now because of the war, but five years ago, no one needed blue-collar jobs. It was all buy-there-sell-here.
            2. -4
              22 September 2026 15: 55
              Quote: Essex62
              And you, curb your own appetites and don't raise prices. Will you go under? It would be wonderful if this whole abomination called capitalism did.

              What will you eat? Rotten Soviet potatoes—which associate professors and postgraduate students will be sorting through all year round?
              1. 0
                23 September 2026 20: 38
                Yes, everything I ate then, I'll eat now. Stop watering it, I've traveled all over the country, both north and west. Not to mention the south, where they're absolutely bloated. No one was starving, quite the opposite.
                1. 0
                  23 September 2026 22: 10
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Yes, everything I ate then, I'll eat now. Stop watering it, I've traveled all over the country, both north and west. Not to mention the south, where they're absolutely bloated. No one was starving, quite the opposite.

                  "Comrade scientists, associate professors and candidates!
                  You are tormented with Xs, confused in zeros
                  Sit, decompose molecules into atoms
                  Forgetting that potatoes are decomposing in the fields..." (C) Vysotsky

                  Quote: Essex62
                  Yes, everything that I ate then, I will eat now.

                  Then you happily ate the "mass grave", but now you turn your nose up at it.
                  And sausage cheese is not cheese for you.
                  And the margarine is not made from genuine Soviet palm trees, but counterfeit.
                  Well, and tangerines once a year for the New Year, 1 kg per person.
                  1. 0
                    24 September 2026 07: 32
                    Nope, lard and sauerkraut, salted and pickled cucumbers, apples and all kinds of jams, bread and delicious ice cream, and select potatoes, hand-picked and carefully stored in the cellar. And if you're craving something special, head to the pub. They've got everything there. You need to work hard, not sit on a chair from bell to bell. lol

                    As for associate professors and candidates, well, that's the right approach: let them experience first-hand what it's like to work without bending their backs.
                    1. 0
                      24 September 2026 07: 40
                      And by the way, the availability of cheeses and sausages
                      This doesn't at all imply the presence of a huckster. With a reasonable approach, organizing all this without an emergency at the joint venture is no problem. Joseph Vissarionovich knew how.
                    2. +1
                      24 September 2026 18: 35
                      Quote: Essex62
                      As for associate professors and candidates, well, that's the right approach: let them experience first-hand what it's like to work without bending their backs.

                      And then they wondered: why isn't anything new being produced in this country? The professors are busy picking potatoes—they have no time to develop new microchips, cars, ships, and so on.

                      Quote: Essex62
                      No, lard and sauerkraut, salted and pickled cucumbers, apples and all kinds of jams, bread and delicious ice cream, and select potatoes, picked with our own hands and carefully stored in the cellar.

                      Quote: Essex62
                      You have to work hard,

                      I remember that your grandmother worked on a collective farm - it was because of people like her who wanted to work for YOURSELF The country had to drive away associate professors.
                      The real speculators are the Soviet collective farmers who worked the minimum number of workdays, whining that they need soldiers/students to help and looking for something else to privatize from the collective farm for their own homes.
                      1. -1
                        25 September 2026 08: 50
                        What are you talking about? You've completely lost your way with your hatred for your homeland.

                        My grandmother didn't work on the collective farm. She never worked a single day. She was disabled. She donated blood throughout the war. An honorary donor of the RSFSR. And all these delicacies come from the unbreakable alliance of the working class and the state farm peasantry. You'd spend your summer weekends lounging on the beach with a beer, while after a hard workweek I'd travel 200 miles to toil in the village.

                        So what if these little hands poked around in the ground for a week or two? Let them know what it's like. Then it'll only get sweeter to work with test tubes and microscopes.
                      2. +1
                        25 September 2026 11: 09
                        Quote: Essex62
                        My grandmother didn't work on the collective farm. She never worked a single day. She was disabled. She donated blood throughout the war. She was an honorary donor of the RSFSR.

                        So you were lying when you wrote that she worked on a collective farm. I know about her exclusively from your words.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        and after a hard work week I would come 200 miles away to work in the village.

                        Why did you do that if "in the USSR there was everything in the stores"???!!!!!
                        And yes, and you on what Did you travel 200 km to the USSR every weekend to the village?
                      3. 0
                        25 September 2026 12: 57
                        Why? To help my parents-in-law. That's how normal families work. Everyone harvests the crops together.
                        The rotten anti-league, I understand, has a different view. They don't want to get their hands dirty. negative

                        And yes, I had everything. I earned enough. As for the shortage, yes, it's bad. But it can be fixed, without speculators or emergencies.
          3. +1
            23 September 2026 08: 29
            Quote: OlegEKB
            Are you ready to pay for everyday purchases, even twice as much?

            Are you worried about me or don’t you want to pay your workers a decent salary?

            If the salary is higher, why not pay more for groceries? In Israel, for example, salaries (and prices) are very high. But no one there is upset about it. A street cleaner's salary there is 190 rubles in our money. They pay street cleaners such a large sum, but they don't bring in migrants from Central Asia, justifying it by saying, "Are you willing to pay more for services?"
            1. 0
              23 September 2026 08: 42
              It's good that you didn't include Switzerland in the comparison )))))
              For comparison, labor productivity in Israel is 1,5 times higher than in Russia; a typical janitor probably services more houses than a Russian one.

              and if you look at the structure of the Israeli product itself, you will see that there is a lot of intellectual content there
              Most likely, the cost of a conventional Russian product will have a high share of resources and materials, while an Israeli one will have higher human capital (this is an assumption; we need to dig in and study it)

              Don't you want to pay your workers a decent salary?

              How is a decent salary measured? We pay according to the labor market.
              1. +1
                23 September 2026 08: 47
                Quote: OlegEKB
                we pay according to the labor market

                I agree. It can't be any other way.

                Quote: OlegEKB
                Labor productivity in Israel is 1,5 times higher than in Russia.

                Have you ever considered that wages influence productivity? In countries where manual labor is expensive, there's more automation and robotization of work processes. And as a result, productivity is higher! But why do we need that? It's easier for us to bring in cheap migrant workers than to increase productivity. What I'm saying is that everything is interconnected.
                1. 0
                  23 September 2026 09: 47
                  Where manual labor is expensive, there's more automation and robotization of work processes. And as a result, productivity is higher!

                  you write correctly, but
                  The issue is not that simple; you can't just introduce automation wholesale; you also need trained personnel who are capable of working with it, or who are ready to master these technologies.

                  That is, a process of social development is required, to train the appropriate personnel, and not just take everything and ban it

                  ban it, this will most likely lead to a banal increase in prices
      3. 0
        30 September 2026 07: 19
        Have you tried paying?
        Maybe I should pay?
  11. + 16
    22 September 2026 07: 00
    To destroy enclaves, the first thing we need to do is ban the schizophrenic idea of ​​"friendly tribes." A visa regime and the verification and revocation of citizenship acquired illegally or semi-legally are needed. Lobbying for the importation of migrants should be prosecuted as treason. But alas, all this is impossible, I hope for now.
    1. +3
      22 September 2026 09: 03
      Dear Sir, those who established and promoted this idea receive a good tip...
      1. +2
        22 September 2026 13: 43
        You know, I got hooked on Chinese history, and a bit of Han culture. There were all sorts of things going on there, the country fell and was divided, but there was a clear assimilation of newcomers. In Han lands, there are only Han. The reason why China oppresses the Uyghurs is also from the past—they brought a lot of grief during the fall of the Tang Dynasty. That's also where the resistance to Islam in China comes from.
  12. +8
    22 September 2026 07: 18
    Diasporas are a mine planted under the foundations of the Russian State, and when it explodes, and it will explode sooner or later, we will be in for a lot of trouble.
    And what's typical is that blaming the "cunning Englishwoman" for this doesn't work...
    1. +1
      22 September 2026 15: 05
      Now that's a moot point. I'll post it, just in case. But...
      1. +3
        22 September 2026 16: 09
        It would have been more correct to write, of course, that “blaming only the ‘insidious Englishwoman’ for this is not possible.” hi
    2. +2
      22 September 2026 16: 39
      Any diaspora is a gangster organized crime group, which also serves as a cover for agents of foreign intelligence services.
      1. +4
        22 September 2026 17: 37
        It is not clear why the State does not suppress the diaspora-national organized crime groups, which are a threat to the State itself.
        1. +2
          22 September 2026 19: 08
          Because those who represent the state from these organized crime groups - the diaspora - have their own small profit.
  13. +6
    22 September 2026 08: 02
    The state sees everything... It's just that someone needs it. Very much.
  14. + 10
    22 September 2026 08: 07
    The influx of migrants is used to mask a very noticeable annual population decline.
    Which ultimately translates into a decrease in the proportion of Russians among "Russians".
    And they do this quite consciously, including correcting Shukshin, replacing his “Russians” with “Rossiyans.”
  15. +9
    22 September 2026 08: 40
    Judging by United Russia's re-election victory, this whole migrant mess will continue and intensify. Russia is finished. They'll devour us from within. It's a sad, heartbreaking sight...
  16. +4
    22 September 2026 09: 00
    Moreover, in all rural enclaves and Obninsk, the overwhelming majority of the visiting population has already received Russian passports, and it is impossible to impose any restrictions on residency in Russia on citizens.

    For me, a person living in the Baltics, reading and hearing such things is simply incomprehensible.
    That is why the government is trying to eliminate the word "Russian" from common usage, and is instead promoting the word "Rossiyanen".
    That is, everyone on the territory of Russia is Russian, and we who live in the Baltics are Russians and the locals call us that, even everyone who speaks Russian.
  17. 0
    22 September 2026 09: 29
    Why do enclaves arise and how to fight them?

    There is only one reason and it cannot be eliminated.
  18. -1
    22 September 2026 09: 45
    This isn't an enclave, Shmanklav, but a mahalla. Chilanzaru, salamchik. Stop posting migrant-phobia already. Are there many ethnic Russians in your government? That's how empires are built, instead of the root of the class divide. Look at who's got what kind of skull.
    1. +3
      22 September 2026 15: 02
      Quote from Mazunga
      Do you have many ethnic Russian people in your government?

      laughing Yes, everything laughing Only Jews, Ukrainians, and the recently fashionable Caucasian Jews and Armenians. The latter two categories openly work against the people and drag their co-religionists into every position they can reach. This is also part of the party's plan. And Armenians, as it turns out, are amazingly good at cinema! Every first Fellini! How could humanity not have figured this out? Then Hollywood would be Armenian, not Jewish.
    2. +2
      22 September 2026 15: 15
      I never saw anyone's skull measured in the Soviet Union. The empire was a sight to behold.
      1. -3
        22 September 2026 16: 05
        Quote: Essex62
        I never saw anyone's skull measured in the Soviet Union. The empire was a sight to behold.

        Judging by the fact that it was only 950 years short of the Eastern Roman Empire, well, so-so.
        1. +1
          23 September 2026 17: 37
          You don't understand much, you speculator and bourgeois yes-man. You're just not mature enough for such a wonderful country. It's everything to you, and you've screwed it up.
          1. -2
            23 September 2026 18: 30
            Quote: Essex62
            She gave you everything, and you crap.

            That is, homosexuals with party cards (who did everything through their asses) sitting from top to bottom in ALL system of power in the USSR - They have nothing to do with it, and I am to blame?
            Okay, what can you do...
            If there were at least a hundred thousand in the country REAL If there had been communists out of a flock of 19 million party card-holders, the country would have remained alive...
            And yes, if the country can be destroyed by speculators, then
            1) the country doesn't care about the needs of the people,
            2) the words of speculators weigh more than the mooing of party mummies,
            3) Nobody trusts the party
            4) there is no trade in the country at all

            And the CPSU didn't give a damn (another word!!) about the people and Article 2 of the Constitution - they didn't give a damn about the Referendum....
            But you keep blaming everything on the CIA and speculators...

            Z.y
            Empire...in the Empire, MSG would have died "of a stroke (with a snuffbox to the temple)" (c) and that's it....
            1. +2
              23 September 2026 19: 58
              There are a shitload of communists left in the country, they had no access to the buttons and no desire to kill their own. We didn't even have time to fully comprehend where your cunning asses are running things, screaming for more socialism. It's not an easy leap from being surrounded by your fellow citizens to realizing you're surrounded by enemies. This wasn't the 20s, after all, but the 80s and 90s. Decades of developed socialism. And when it was too late for most to realize it, everyone at the top was purged, and the lower echelons couldn't organize a fightback. So, screw you. Who else is to blame for the coup if not those unwilling to speculate? Did I really orchestrate it myself?
              And yet, everything you listed was carried out by your people, not the communists. It was pure sabotage. To stir up trouble. And they did. Scoundrels.
              You can turn yourself inside out, but having a party card does not automatically make you a communist.
              1. 0
                23 September 2026 21: 47
                Quote: Essex62
                You can turn yourself inside out, but having a party card does not automatically make you a communist.

                I've known for a very, very long time that you can't understand what's written - you couldn't understand my text again.
                Quote: your1970
                If there were at least a hundred thousand in the country REAL If there had been communists out of a flock of 19 million party card-holders, the country would have remained alive...




                Quote: Essex62
                Who else is to blame for the coup if not those who refuse to speculate? Did I orchestrate it myself?
                - and again you couldn’t understand what was written:
                Quote: your1970
                And yes, if the country can be destroyed by speculators, then
                1) the country doesn't care about the needs of the people,
                2) the words of speculators weigh more than the mooing of party mummies,
                3) Nobody trusts the party
                4) there is no trade in the country at all

                5) KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs incapable Understand where the threat to the country and the government is coming from. If the security forces are unable to cope with such a threat, they have either sold out or are a mindless herd that is squandering the country.
                1. 0
                  23 September 2026 21: 51
                  Yes, more than a hundred thousand. There were millions, but they didn't have time to organize a fightback. I've stated the reasons and won't repeat them. They are objective.
                  The security forces were eliminated just as methodically, just like the party leaders. The coup didn't happen overnight. The junta had been preparing it for five years.
                  1. 0
                    23 September 2026 22: 23
                    Quote: Essex62
                    Yes, more than a hundred thousand. There were millions, but they didn’t have time to organize a fightback.

                    Lie.
                    Even if there were 100,000 people, they could simply go out into the streets and stand.
                    Just fill Moscow with a traffic jam.
                    There were only 5,000 of you running around the BD in 1993 - and the whole country knew about it.
                    If there had been 100,000 - not to mention a million!!! - no one would have dared to overthrow the USSR...
                    Therefore, any slogans about “they couldn’t, they didn’t have time, there was no order” are kindergarten excuses from communists who squandered their country and their power.
                    1. 0
                      24 September 2026 07: 27
                      Just stand outside?laughing Hmm, it's even worse than I thought. So, in your opinion, the whole country was for the speculator's power?
                      1. 0
                        24 September 2026 18: 25
                        Quote: Essex62
                        1) Just stand on the street? Hmm, it's even worse than I thought. 2) So, the whole country was for the speculator's government, in your opinion?

                        How did you derive the second sentence from the first?!! fool Only you can draw such conclusions from unrelated sentences.


                        Quote: Essex62
                        Just stand on the street?
                        The Chinese "Moon Network" is simply parked in front of the house of a corrupt Chinese official who fled to the US. They find him and then they're back.
                        Not an ounce of crime, absolutely no violation of the law - they just stand and watch.
                        This method returns about 80% to China. belay those who escaped were given life sentences and death sentences.
                        The same would have happened in the USSR - if there had been even a little bit of PRESENT the communists.
                        But you need to "knock on the gate with your rifle butt" - so that you can then shoot those who shoot those who knock with their rifle butt.
                      2. 0
                        25 September 2026 08: 55
                        Hopelessly.
                        I need everyone to work and for the law to protect the worker. And for speculators and usurers to be outside this law. I don't want to shoot anyone. It's very unpleasant when they shoot at you.
                      3. 0
                        25 September 2026 11: 26
                        Quote: Essex62
                        I don't want to shoot anyone. It's very unpleasant when someone shoots at you.

                        It doesn't matter whether you want to or not, you will have to shoot.
                        Farmers - who have had their land taken from them - will be torn to pieces.
                        Shop owners - the rear has just made them outlaws -
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And so that the speculator and the usurer would be outside this law

                        Owners of ANY production - they will also fall under your control -
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And so that the speculator and the usurer would be outside this law.

                        My neighbor, the owner of a KAMAZ, is riding on it - he will end up here too -
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And so that the speculator and the usurer would be outside this law.

                        A farmer with a flock of 500 sheep will also be on your list.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And so that the speculator and the usurer would be outside this law


                        And so on - when you introduce your law - they AUTOMATICALLY speculators - and you will either take everything from them or force them to work for a salary.
                        And the neighbor who earned an apartment in Bulgaria on the seashore with KamAZ will either chop off your head or burn down the motor depot.
                        As it was in the 1920s and 30s...

                        "He won't shoot" (c) - lo and behold, you'll be just like a little boy...
                      4. 0
                        25 September 2026 12: 53
                        Incurable? The neighbor who toiled at KAMAZ is a hard worker, not a speculator. You need treatment.
                        Let's end this pointless argument. Go see a psychiatrist, then write to me.
                      5. 0
                        25 September 2026 13: 39
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The neighbor who toiled at KAMAZ is a hard worker, not a speculator. You need treatment.

                        Then don't talk nonsense about "speculators" - if he is a hard worker and not a money-grubber making money on transportation.
                        Not a single working person could scrape together enough money to buy an apartment in Bulgaria on the second line by the sea.
                        Did you earn enough for that? No? That means you're not a hard worker and you haven't worked a damn thing.
                        This is in YOUR logic.
                        And you are the one who needs treatment.
  19. BAI
    +1
    22 September 2026 09: 59
    That is, Russia consciously approaches migration not only as a means of attracting labor resources (arrive, work, leave), but also as a means of attracting new citizens.

    And at the same time, Russia points its finger at Europe, saying that there is Islamization there, but not here.
  20. -1
    22 September 2026 10: 35
    Typical bureaucracy. Well, it can't change anything. It's accustomed to what's already established. Seeing perfectly well that there are no grocery stores in this area, the bureaucracy does nothing to change it. Demanding any decisions from the bureaucracy is useless.
    1. +3
      22 September 2026 15: 10
      Bureaucracy has nothing to do with it. This is a program conceived long ago, and not ours. The perestroika people and their successors are simply implementing it. And quite successfully. Because the Russian people have lost their backbone.
  21. +3
    22 September 2026 11: 07
    Obninsk became an enclave “thanks” to the program of resettlement of compatriots, which began in 2006.
    Which Zatulin fought for with all his might. And who, thanks to his classmate from the Presidential Administration (he graduated from the Moscow State University History Department the year after Zatulin graduated), once again wormed his way into the State Duma from E.R.
  22. +1
    22 September 2026 13: 47
    There's a certain sense of defeat in the comments. I suggest we move on to the question of "what to do," since the answer to "who's to blame" seems to be already known.

    One attempt to answer the question "what to do" is the Russian Community. Don't be shy, find out, and join. Yes
    1. +2
      22 September 2026 15: 06
      Quote: Dmitry V. Shmykov
      I suggest we move on to the question of "what to do"

      Spinning out to 282nd, guarding the future titular nation laughing
    2. +1
      22 September 2026 15: 12
      They'll beat you up. There are tons of criminal code articles out there. Which one would you like to apply?
      1. -2
        22 September 2026 16: 06
        Quote: Essex62
        They'll beat you up. There are tons of criminal code articles out there. Which one would you like to apply?

        Have communists become afraid of the Criminal Code? What relation do they have to those who overthrow the government?
        1. 0
          23 September 2026 20: 06
          I thought you were smarter. Honestly, I didn't expect such kindergarten. lol
          1. 0
            23 September 2026 21: 55
            Quote: Essex62
            I thought you were smarter. Honestly, I didn't expect such kindergarten. lol

            So in 1993 you weren’t afraid, but now you are?
            And yes, let me remind you that ALL The Bolshevik leaders received sentences of several years at least.
            And today's communists say, "Oh, let someone shoot at the police, lie down under tanks, serve time, overthrow the government - and then we'll come to the rescue - to divide up the portfolios!!!" (C)
            1. 0
              23 September 2026 22: 06
              Where did you read that I'm afraid? I pointed out to my comrade the difficulty of implementing his proposal.
              And go away, provocateur.
              1. 0
                23 September 2026 22: 26
                Quote: Essex62
                Where did you read that I'm afraid? I pointed out to my comrade the difficulty of implementing his proposal.
                And go away, provocateur.

                So you're afraid...
                The opposition today is cowardly - not like under the Tsar or Stalin.
                Quote: your1970
                And today's communists say, "Oh, let someone shoot at the police, lie down under tanks, serve time, overthrow the government - and then we'll come to the rescue - to divide up the portfolios!!!" (C)
                1. 0
                  24 September 2026 07: 23
                  Provocateurs don't live long. That's a historical fact. I don't give a damn about your fabrications.
                  1. -1
                    24 September 2026 08: 30
                    Quote: Essex62
                    Provocateurs don't live long. That's a historical fact. I don't give a damn about your fabrications.

                    Revolutions in the 20th century were made by frostbitten soldiers and young people - there were no old pensioners there at all.
                    Of them, revolutionaries are like a bullet made from an offal...
                    Whining like "everything was great!!"(C)( but at the same time it crumbled into dust ANECDOTIC 5 years) - you can, do something - no.
                    Those who complain about the USSR forget that "Whoever wants to find a way, finds an excuse." They look for excuses (the CIA, the MSG, UFOs, speculators, "there was no order," etc.) because it's uncomfortable to live with the feeling that they did nothing and betrayed the country.
                    1. 0
                      25 September 2026 13: 11
                      Are you going to make more accusations against me, speculator? I don't feel comfortable living next to people like you. Anti-Sovietists, bourgeois lackeys.
                      Well, say something else... Provocateur. am
                      1. 0
                        25 September 2026 13: 46
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Are you going to make more accusations against me, speculator? I don't feel comfortable living next to people like you. Anti-Sovietists, bourgeois lackeys.
                        Well, say something else... Provocateur. am

                        So, you're only confused by me - but the Central Committee of the CPSU, which flushed the country down the toilet, doesn't bother you???!!!
                        And I feel uncomfortable living next to inadequate people who have screwed up the country, but are still yapping about “someone else’s fault”
    3. +1
      22 September 2026 16: 42
      Russian Community? It's certainly an interesting theory, but in my city, it's something like that gopher from the movie "DMB"...
      1. 0
        29 September 2026 11: 10
        Then you have every opportunity to influence the situation, if not by joining, then at least by reporting it. Simply find a relevant RO group for your city and write about such-and-such problems, violations, and how difficult it is to handle alone—and your comrades will contact you, write, and provide guidance. If you don't try to communicate, then yes, everything will seem trivial from the couch until the aliens and the RO's counteraction to them make the news.
        1. 0
          29 September 2026 19: 36
          I wrote, I contacted...And the so-called "comrades" turned out not to be comrades at all.
          1. 0
            30 September 2026 10: 35
            I agree, it happens. It seems you were unlucky with the coordinator. It's their job to make sure their comrades are genuine. Don't be discouraged. Write to other groups, in neighboring villages. Maybe they'll recommend something. You have to see where you are, because, yes, situations vary greatly.
    4. 0
      22 September 2026 21: 00
      I read about Don Quixote, he was fighting something there...
      The names of the phenomena are of course different, as is the subjectivity, but the essence is the same, in my humble opinion.
      Meanwhile, time is the most valuable resource.
      1. 0
        29 September 2026 11: 13
        I have a regional organization working in my area, and I can see the fruits of its labor. It's no Don Quixote. People are exercising their rights. The thing is, our rights are declarative. If you don't declare anything, it's as if you don't have any. Compare this to the work of diasporas, for example. They declare a lot. And then it turns out that migrants have more rights. But that's not true.
        1. 0
          29 September 2026 19: 17
          And migrants are just one consequence, not the problem. That's why we're tilting at windmills. Or do you really think it's impossible to pass the necessary laws overnight, if necessary? We have to fight, fight, and fight endlessly, so to speak, wasting all our energy on one consequence of many problems?
          Fighting for the sake of fighting? Well, so-so.
          Therefore, I do not agree with you here, and time will tell whose point of view was more correct.
          1. 0
            30 September 2026 10: 36
            I'm not trying to prove anything to you here, but to highlight that you have rights even under current laws. And your comrades do too.
            1. 0
              1 October 2026 23: 38
              Thank you. Perhaps I am too critical.
    5. 0
      24 September 2026 09: 45
      People in the chat seem completely unaware of what RO does. Everything is legal, including 282 and the like. Otherwise, they wouldn't be operating all over Russia for years. A lot of illegal immigration has been shut down, and many people have been saved, both physically and legally. There's a lot to be proud of, believe me.
      1. 0
        29 September 2026 19: 40
        I suggested that RO members in my city go to the shops and restaurants. Not just those owned by people from Central Asia and the Caucasus, but all of them.
        Regarding violations of trade rules and other documents.
        They called me a provocateur... Well, yes, sitting in place and shouting that they are the Russian Community and that they are only acting within the law is very important and very powerful, unlike real actions.
        1. 0
          30 September 2026 10: 33
          Notify the RO coordinator in your city. They usually don't refuse. Moreover, they conduct raids without invitations. Thanks to them, for example, there are no illegal traders in my area.
          1. 0
            30 September 2026 19: 08
            That's what I wrote to the coordinator... But they have other plans... Some kind of raids, that's not their thing... So what if someone somewhere is selling expired rotten stuff or forcing evacuation exits? What a load of crap for the Novokuznetsk Regional Department.
            1. 0
              1 October 2026 10: 13
              Novokuznetsk? I see. It's far from Moscow. I'll bet on it, of course. But the usual answer is that city residents should figure it out themselves, since they live there. The problem with illegal activity isn't even that they don't pay taxes. It's easier to finance ethno-organized crime groups with it. So this is a serious issue, and one that shouldn't just concern the authorities.
              1. 0
                2 October 2026 11: 36
                Only the blind would not want to see that ethnic diasporas are not only organized crime groups, but also potential "roofs" for agents of foreign intelligence services.
  23. +2
    22 September 2026 20: 05
    "...however, at the moment, there is no methodology by which one can officially determine who exactly is considered a migrant." There is no methodology, but migrants exist. 😄 There is no definition of an enclave, but de facto they exist, and de facto they are truly making life difficult for the native population. And while the learned men debate what and how to define them, how they will be stopped by Sharia patrols on their way to and from work and told exactly how they, their wives, and their daughters should behave.
    The fight against creative enclaves can be carried out using our own historical experience, based on the resettlement of Meskhetian Turks, Chechens, Ingush, and Crimean Tatars during the Great Patriotic War.
    1. -1
      23 September 2026 18: 35
      Quote: Black Colonel
      based on the resettlement of Meskhetian Turks, Chechens, Ingush, and Crimean Tatars during the Great Patriotic War.

      We don't have Kazakhstan—and that's not something we should feel sorry for. The Kazakhs howled at the Chechens...
      1. 0
        23 September 2026 20: 10
        Why the hell do we need Kazakhstan? Where they came from, they'll go back to Turkestan, not in orderly ranks. They'll roll up their rugs and go home to toil for the rich. The criminal element there will quickly die out; it's not like they're running amok in Russia. We're talking about breakaways; the Chechens are still in Russia.
        1. -1
          23 September 2026 22: 04
          Quote: Essex62
          From where they came there and... Back to Turkestan, not in orderly rows

          Do you know the cost of deporting one person?
          Are you aware of the problems with deportation through Kazakhstan?
          Are you aware of the problems of deporting at least 10-20,000 people?
          1. -1
            24 September 2026 08: 45
            No, we don't know. There are no problems if we're talking about the nation's security.
            1. -1
              24 September 2026 18: 46
              Quote: Essex62
              No, we don't know. There are no problems if we're talking about the nation's security.

              - Well, of course, we've never been to the border, and we haven't worked at the international checkpoint or railway checkpoint.
              The deportation of one Tajik costs a plane ticket (60,000 rubles) - Kazakhstan does not allow many to transit.
              There were two tent camps for migrants in the Orenburg region when Kazakhstan stopped allowing entry into Covid.
              Only 7000 - but there were a mountain of problems.
              You always push slogans without seeing the people behind them.
              1. -1
                25 September 2026 08: 37
                I don't care how much it costs. You'll take it out the same way you brought it in. You've brewed quite a bit of tea, nettle seed. Fork out the cash, the people demand it.

                The plane is theirs. Let them go on foot and don't bother asking the Kazakhs. Let them dodge it if they don't want to let us in.
                1. -1
                  25 September 2026 11: 02
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Let them go on foot and don’t bother asking the Kazakhs.

                  And you must have been smashed on the concrete floor with your head regularly as a child, since you still don't know about the existence of state borders and the procedure for moving people and goods across them.
                  The mower is a piece of crap....
                  1. -1
                    25 September 2026 13: 05
                    Once again, for those who are too dense to understand: you brought it in, and you're taking it out. Whatever you do, that's your problem.
                    1. 0
                      25 September 2026 13: 42
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Once again, for those who are too dense to understand: you brought it in, and you're taking it out. Whatever you do, that's your problem.

                      Kurds were brought in in the 1970s by homosexuals from the Central Committee of the CPSU - but this for some reason It's not their problem. Apparently you don't get it because you're too dense.
          2. 0
            25 September 2026 19: 05
            Do you know the cost of deporting one person?


            The cost of deportation is paid either by the deportee themselves or by their relatives. If the deportee has no money, they are sent to a labor camp to work off their deportation. It's all very, very simple.
            1. 0
              25 September 2026 19: 33
              Quote: cast iron
              Do you know the cost of deporting one person?


              The cost of deportation is paid either by the deportee themselves or by their relatives. If the deportee has no money, they are sent to a labor camp to work off their deportation. It's all very, very simple.

              The idea is brilliant - in theory feel .
              In practice, it turns out that 1) camps as such are needed, 2) security is needed, 3) work is needed near the camp, 4) changes in the laws are needed - for example, how long can a person who refuses to work be kept in a camp?
              5) translators, 6) doctors, 7) housing for guards and inmates

              There isn't always work available in the existing Federal Penitentiary Service facilities. If the number of camps increases, there will be even less.
              1. 0
                26 September 2026 09: 29
                In practice it turns out that


                In practice, Russophobes are constantly encountering some kind of problem again. And these problems are unsolvable, reaching the level of quantum physics.
                1) Long-term infrastructure "capitalist construction projects" are being devised that require large amounts of low-skilled labor. For example, building a six-lane concrete highway from Moscow to Vladivostok, or an affordable housing program for young families across the country.
                For this purpose, they recruit "valuable" Wahhabis from among those being deported. Labor camps are built for them. There are no problems here. Only careerists with huge asses have problems all around. Let the valuable Wahhabis look for translators among their valuable "comrades." And if a Wahhabi who doesn't speak Russian is allowed into the country, then the entire shift of those who let him in and signed the documents is also sent to the labor camp to work for their "ward."
                1. 0
                  26 September 2026 17: 29
                  Quote: cast iron
                  The labor camps are built for them.
                  You haven't heard about the shortage at the Federal Penitentiary Service, have you? Or are you personally secretly going to guard the camps in the taiga?

                  Quote: cast iron
                  Let the valuable Wahhabis look for translators among their valuable "comrades-in-arms".

                  You won't believe it, but even in the death camps the SS had translators. Because they had to somehow convey that "Barrack 3 is going to the gas chamber today."
                  And you set the task LARGE CONSTRUCTION SITE - where "Mützen ap- Mützen puff!" won't get you away.

                  Quote: cast iron
                  And if a Wahhabi who doesn't speak Russian is allowed into the country, then the entire shift of those who let him in and signed the documents will also be sent to a labor camp to work with their "ward."
                  I completely agree here – they would be better off impaled. But alas, they died long ago – the party-card-wielding bureaucrats who brought Koreans to the Saratov region in the 1950s, Chechens and Dagestanis in the 1960s, Moldovans, Georgians, and Kurds belay 1970s. And we've always had our own Kazakhs...

                  P.S. Judging by the love for simple solutions and hatred of non-Russians - "Maaskvich purebred"
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2026 19: 01
                    You haven't heard about the shortage at the Federal Penitentiary Service, have you? Or are you personally secretly going to guard the camps in the taiga?


                    A decent salary. Offer at least an "average" salary of 100,000,000 rubles (about $1,000,000) relative to GDP, and a ton of people will go to the taiga. They're giving out 35,000,000 rubles (about $3,500,000) and thinking everyone will run off to the taiga to lose their health and youth. That's long gone.

                    You won't believe it, but even in the death camps the SS had translators.


                    You won't believe it, but these are two very different things. In the first case, the SS themselves came to the non-German-speaking prisoners, while in the second case, a valuable Wahhabi who didn't speak Russian was let in by some corrupt Russians in the service. These Russians, along with the Wahhabi, should be sent to the camp—to work as translators and with a pickaxe.

                    Officials with party cards brought Koreans to the Saratov region in the 1950s, Chechens and Dagestanis in the 1960s, Moldovans, Georgians, and Kurds in the 1970s.


                    You've really nailed the Dagestanis, Chechens, Georgians, and Moldovans who studied in Soviet schools as valuable Wahhabis. :) Five stars! Nice try, but no. For example, I went to a high school in Tashkent where my class included Koreans, a Chechen, Jews, Russians, Azerbaijanis, Ukrainians, and even a Moldovan! And they were all educated in Soviet-Russian culture.

                    P.S. Judging by the love for simple solutions and hatred of non-Russians - "Maaskvich purebred"


                    Judging by the fact that you're having nothing but problems repatriating Russians to Rus', you're simply a "dear Russian" who hates his own fellow Russians with a passion. I've seen enough of these kinds of Russians in my 26 years of living in Russia. Back in 1999, a dear Russian woman at the Federal Migration Service told me point-blank, "Why are you all coming here?" I, a Russian from Central Asia who returned to my homeland.
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                      26 September 2026 21: 19
                      Quote: cast iron
                      At least offer an "average" of 100 thousand rubles from GDP and a bunch of people will go to the taiga.

                      North -170,000 - incomplete.
                      We have a compressor in the Saratov region - 90,000 - near our house - it's incomplete. Even without experience, they're trying to call through instant messengers.
                      And you naively go to the barracks in the taiga for 100,000.
                      Oh well.....

                      Quote: cast iron
                      You have powerfully registered Dagestanis, Chechens, Georgians and Moldovans who studied in Soviet schools in valuable Wahhabis :) Five points! Nice try, but no.

                      In 1994, those who graduated from SOVIET school - they cut the throats of Russian soldiers.
                      In Central Asia, those who studied in SOVIET school - they have been cutting down Russians since 1992.
                      Have you forgotten already?


                      Quote: cast iron
                      You won't believe it, but these are 2 big differences.

                      It makes no difference—translators are still needed. Even if we introduce SS regulations and check how many heads a Parabellum bullet penetrates...
                      And without them, we need even more.

                      Quote: cast iron
                      Judging by the fact that you are having nothing but problems with the repatriation of Russians to Rus', then you are a simple "dear Russian" who fiercely hates his own fellow Russians.
                      You demand the repatriation of Russians—but you've failed to offer a sensible and easily controllable way to test this Russianness other than through a conversation. The results of which will simply be a bigger cutlet...
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                        27 September 2026 13: 52
                        We have a compressor station in the Saratov region - 90,000


                        What does the Federal Penitentiary Service have to do with this? Do you know what the salaries are there? Much, much less than 170 rubles. I know this firsthand.

                        In 1994, those who studied in a SOVIET school cut the throats of Russian soldiers.


                        They were slaughtering people right in your city, right? And in 1905, trained Russian officers of the Tsarist army and secret police staged Bloody Sunday. Can you imagine? There wasn't a single Wahhabi or Chechen there. Something must have happened during the Civil War and the collapse of the Soviet Union that drove people so crazy?

                        There is no difference - translators are still needed.


                        We have so many wonderful diasporas! Ready translators!

                        You demand the repatriation of Russians - but you have not been able to offer a sensible and easily controlled way to test this Russianness,


                        Let's use the experience of the Germans and the Jews. Will that do? They already have this experience and have it worked out.
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                        27 September 2026 15: 07
                        Quote: cast iron
                        Let's use the experience of the Germans and the Jews. Will that do? They already have this experience and have it worked out.

                        if SUDDENLY You didn't know - both Jews and Germans DEMANDED confirmation of nationality DOCUMENTSIn USSR passports there was a column 5 - nationality.
                        Moreover, the Jews demanded confirmation of the nationality of the mother of the person leaving.
                        In case you didn't know, USSR passports were destroyed en masse long ago, and CIS passports don't indicate nationality.

                        Quote: cast iron
                        What does the Federal Penitentiary Service have to do with this? Do you know what the salaries are there? Much, much less than 170 rubles. I know this firsthand.

                        Once again slowly - at 170,000 and 90,000 - INCOMPLETE(!!!!), they can't dial.
                        And you naively think that the Federal Penitentiary Service officers will rush secretly into the barracks.
                        Ask these "first-hand" people - will they go guard a camp in the middle of nowhere or not - even for 100,000?
  24. +1
    23 September 2026 09: 11
    Without true love for the country, nothing will work. We've been looking at each other like wolves at wolves for a long time, unlike Muslims. Maybe it's time to turn 180 degrees and look at each other as friends, to sew up our culture, our faith...to raise our children in this vein...I am me, but the Motherland is us. I would like for us all to be one family.
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      23 September 2026 14: 02
      Our homeland is us, I wish we were all one family.


      That's all very well. However, Miller, Kudrin, Chubais, Rotenberg, Potanin, or, no, Tereshkova and Valuev, for example—they're not my family. You could even say it's the exact opposite.
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        23 September 2026 20: 51
        And how did Valuev upset you? Okay, so Valya changed her tune, although she was probably always like that. But what about Kolya? He's completely out of it, he's just a wedding general.
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          24 September 2026 09: 29
          How did Valuev annoy you?


          By the one who has been voting for anti-Russian laws for years.
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            25 September 2026 08: 58
            The State Duma operates under roughly the same principles as the rest of the country. No one counts votes there; whatever the clan says, so it will be.
  25. +1
    23 September 2026 11: 23
    The state doesn't see the enclaves? And it won't! Putin once loudly declared that he wouldn't allow the emergence of migrant (national) enclaves in Russia! A man said, a man did! Well, what was done needs to be clarified! But many remember what the man said! And the Man is the State! So how can the state see the enclaves after that, even if they exist!?
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    23 September 2026 13: 29
    Krylov tells a fable about a shepherd who began tending wild goats and forgot about his own. The wild goats, having survived the winter, fled back to the mountains. The shepherd rushed to his domestic goats, who died of cold and hunger in the barn. The moral of the story is that a high-ranking Russian official disdains classical Russian literature.
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      24 September 2026 09: 30
      A high-ranking Russian official disdains Russian classical literature


      Rather, he disdains the Russian people. That's why he has such an attitude.
  27. 0
    24 September 2026 19: 22
    Where can I find an enclave for a Russian person?
  28. +1
    25 September 2026 15: 46
    "The state does not see the enclaves"

    The state cannot see - it has no eyes...
    People don't see, or rather close their eyes...
    Those who sit in positions of power and serve the interests of the oligarchs...
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    1 October 2026 13: 02
    They also forgot about Moscow's Prokshino, where even the metro signs are in Uzbek for their convenience!)