KelTec: Pistols… Flat, Handy, and Deadly

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KelTec: Pistols… Flat, Handy, and Deadly
A very convenient and practical magazine for loading cartridges into the KelTec pistol.


But everything in Cape Town is decided by Browning,
And the British started shooting...

Poems by P. Gandelman and Sh. Secunda

stories about weapons. What are the first automatic pistols we know of? There are many, by the way: among them are the famous Mauser C96 (the Mauser K96, a German semi-automatic pistol developed in 1895), the Roth-Steyr M1907, officially the Roth-Krnka M.7, the Borchardt C93 of 1893, and many others. A noticeable difference in their design, however, lay primarily in the method of feeding ammunition: the Borchardt had a detachable box magazine, while the Mauser and Roth-Steyr had a fixed magazine fed by clips. The Browning 1900 also used magazines, as did all of John Moses Browning's subsequent pistols, and the much-celebrated Colt 1911.



Time, however, made a choice in favor of pistols with detachable magazines, since they were more convenient to reload than those loaded with clips.


A still from the film "Va-Bank 3." This is how you sometimes have to tuck a pistol into your belt. And, of course, a thin, flat pistol is the preferred choice in this situation!

And so, for military personnel, police officers, and civilians who use pistols in one way or another, a crucial question arises: why do they even need them today? Statistics are as follows: the average American police officer draws a pistol from its holster... once in 17 years of service, and fires it to kill even less often. In the military, officers also prefer to carry automatic rifles in combat situations, while SWAT officers prefer submachine guns, as do, incidentally, presidential and VIP security guards—they carry both Mini-Uzis and Micro-Uzis.

So today, it's perfectly reasonable to say that in the army, for example, a pistol is a status weapon, and the same is true in the police force. Even the city police in Spain, where the "peace" of its citizens is guarded by several armed units, do not carry weapons.


KelTec P15 pistol. Left side view.

Finally, in countries where pistols are legal for private purchase, laws prohibit carrying loaded pistols, or permit them but restrict their use, etc., etc. You can keep a pistol in your home and use it for "home defense," but you can't leave your home with it. You can shoot a pistol as much as you like (including your own) at appropriate shooting ranges and outdoor shooting ranges, but... there's precisely no need to quickly reload your pistol there. There's no need to rush there, although there are competitions that require the shooter to shoot quickly and, consequently, reload quickly.


The same pistol. View from the right.

Dimensions can also be a factor. A pistol with a thick grip for a double-stack magazine won't be comfortable for everyone. A "thick pistol" is also awkward to carry in a jacket or coat pocket, and it's definitely uncomfortable tucked into the waistband of jeans.


Magazine and ammunition for the P15

So, a "civilian-style" pistol could very well be... flat-bottomed and magazine-fed. Carrying comfort would be paramount in this case. And since this is a unique selling proposition, there will certainly be people who will, as they say, bite and buy such pistols.

And, naturally, a company was found that brought just such pistols to the US arms market. We're talking about the innovative development company KelTec, whose weapons we've already covered here.

Let's begin our exploration of their pistol line with the P15. It's a 9x19mm pistol with a double-stack box magazine, and it's currently the thinnest and lightest pistol in this caliber. Its slimness doesn't affect its ammunition capacity, which is 15 rounds plus one. These rounds are still stored in the magazine. It also comes with an extra magazine, holding 12 rounds. This is also quite sufficient. Since it's been proven that all pistol shooter problems are resolved within the first three, maximum five, shots, it must be admitted that this ammunition load alone is more than enough for a fairly lengthy firefight.

This is a very modern pistol in every respect. Tritium inserts in the front and rear sights allow for consistent target control. The ergonomic grip ensures a good grip and hold when firing. A special holster for concealed carry is included.


Pistol PR3-AT Defender. Right view

The PR3-AT Defender concealed carry pistol, however, doesn't have a magazine! All its ammunition, like the old Rota-Steyr and the Mauser, is stored in clips. The pistol is chambered in .380 ACP and comes with four seven-round magazines. It holds 13 rounds in total. The pistol's action is also uncommon—it features a rotating barrel. The company's main selling point in its advertising is that the pistol is very flat, yet capacious, and that it can hold two clips at a time! It's no wonder the saying "everything new is well-forgotten old" has been proven, and this pistol is particularly illustrative.


PR57 pistol. Right side view.

Next up is the PR57 pistol. The company claims this compact pistol is designed for concealed carry. It fires 5,7x28mm cartridges. Interestingly, the engineers at KelTec even went so far as to install a rotating barrel! Again, a rotating barrel system was used over 100 years ago on the 1907 Roth-Steyr pistol. Later, such barrels were used on the Italian Beretta 8000 Cougar and the Russian Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-18.

This design works like this: the barrel has a projection or projections that engage recesses in the slide. When the slide moves rearward after firing, it pulls the barrel along with it. However, due to this engagement, the barrel rotates. This engagement disengages the projections from the slide, stopping the barrel in its rearmost position while the slide continues to move. Then, naturally, the spring forces the slide back, the barrel rotates again, and its projections re-engage with the slide.


PR57 pistol with accessories and branded bag

The main advantage of using this type of action is that the barrel moves strictly along its axis, without shifting up or down. And, of course, this clearly improves the accuracy of a pistol with this type of action. True, the Browning design is simpler. But producing precise grooves and lugs for modern precision machine tools is not difficult. It's no wonder that several pistols of this design have been developed in Russia over the past two decades. However, these are military weapons, while KelTec produces their pistol for civilian use.


SUB-SDP Defender pistol

KelTec also has another interesting semi-automatic pistol: the SUB-SDP Defender. It's also a "defender," a protector for home and family, but its appearance is very similar to a compact submachine gun. It's a very shortened version of the KelTec SUB2000 folding carbine. Both the pistol and carbine have always been exclusively semi-automatic and have never been available in a burst-fire version. The company's engineers have come up with what they've created—a true submachine gun with a 27-round magazine in the pistol grip. The caliber is 9mm. The barrel length is 152 mm.


SUB-SDP Defender pistol with additional grip/magazine at the front. Left side view.

The most unusual feature of its design is the grip located under the barrel for a secure hold, designed to accommodate an extra spare magazine. It's convenient, to be sure. This placement keeps it within easy reach, eliminating the need to dig into your pocket or bag. Simply remove it here and insert it a bit further back, significantly reducing the time required to reload.


P17 pistol!


And it's also the fashionable sand color. But it also comes in black and green.

And finally, this company's latest pistol, the P17. It's very simple and, again, flat and slim, thanks to its .22LR caliber and rimfire cartridges. It's a "very small-caliber" pistol, but nonetheless very modern. It features a polymer frame, adjustable sights, and universal (ambidextrous) controls, including a safety. Three magazines, each holding 16 rounds, are included with the pistol. You could shoot this pistol all day long to practice your shooting skills!

P.S. All photos by KelTec.
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  1. +6
    25 September 2026 04: 23
    "Since it has been proven that all problems of a pistol shooter are solved by the first three, maximum five shots, then it must be admitted,"
    Hello from Argentina. That's why I carry a four-round revolver.
    1. +7
      25 September 2026 06: 05
      I remember a funny video of the police taking down a drug-crazed Mashnik. Somewhere in the Philippines, I think... They managed to put him down with about fifteen bullets, or something like that.
      1. +5
        25 September 2026 07: 39
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        He managed to put the bullets down like that from the fifteenth

        The question remains: did they "smudge" or is it a matter of stopping power? If the latter, then it's a matter of the quality of the pistol cartridge design, not the number of shots...
        1. -1
          25 September 2026 09: 14
          Quote: Rodez
          the question remains, did they "smear" or is it a matter of stopping power?

          They didn't miss it. There was an explanation there about how a firearm doesn't always decide against a knife.
          1. +6
            25 September 2026 10: 15
            There was a man heavily drugged, who, given his weight and size, didn't really feel the bullets—that's all. And let's not forget that even a normal, healthy person's pain threshold varies. Punch one person in the nose and they'll freeze in pain, while another will go berserk and even more aggressively fight. But you can punch someone in the nose and they'll just drop dead...
            1. +3
              25 September 2026 11: 03
              Quote: Victor Alien
              There was a man who was heavily drugged and, given his weight and size, he didn't really feel the bullets hitting him - that's all.

              True. But where's the guarantee that you won't be attacked by someone like that (God forbid, of course)? In that case, a four-shot revolver is a pretty poor idea...
              And in general, how many cases are there when ordinary people with a knife against a gun came out victorious, even though they caught a few bullets?
              1. +4
                27 September 2026 00: 46
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                True. But where's the guarantee that you won't be attacked by someone like that (God forbid, of course)? In that case, a four-shot revolver is a pretty poor idea...
                And in general, how many cases are there when ordinary people with a knife against a gun came out victorious, even though they caught a few bullets?
                You might recall the Gnome OC-20 revolver, it has 5 cartridges. 12,3x40R - 32 caliber for shotguns, but with a shortened casing to 40 mm. A hit to the body should physically stop the attacker without any pain threshold.
                Revolver "Gnome" - 1994, quantity 200 pieces, Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.
                hi
          2. +1
            26 September 2026 21: 09
            I've been reading discussions on this topic for a while now, both on LiveJournal, and then recently watched an American cop of Russian descent explaining the matter on a Muslim video hosting site. It's a well-known problem. Dealing with stoners is difficult enough in itself. Another problem is that a person with a knife can snatch it and cover several meters faster than a person with a gun can react.
            In this context, the phrase "all of a pistol shooter's problems are solved with the first three to five shots" should be understood as follows: if he doesn't manage to knock out the attacker in three attempts, then the problem resolves itself... In favor of the attacker laughing
            1. 0
              5 October 2026 00: 24
              Yes, whoever was the first to start military operations has more chances.
              1. 0
                5 October 2026 10: 47
                And in general, I think that if we ever get a civilian pistol in the foreseeable future, the simplest option would be a smaller Makarov with a smaller magazine. Whether it'll be detachable or not is another matter.
                1. 0
                  5 October 2026 14: 12
                  I don't think we'll ever have the freedom to own guns. On the other hand, in many countries where gun ownership is strictly prohibited, the firearms death rate is significantly lower than in the United States, where gun ownership is permitted under the Second Amendment.
                  • United Kingdom: The gun violence death rate in the United Kingdom is approximately 340 times lower than in the United States (about 0.01 per 100,000).
                  • Japan: The rate is hundreds of times lower (about 0.005 per 100,000).
                  • Canada: Canada's firearm death rate is approximately 5 to 7 times lower than that of the United States.
                  • Western European countries (e.g., France, Germany, Australia): The gun homicide rate in the US is 19 to 77 times higher
                  1. 0
                    5 October 2026 14: 40
                    As far as I know, gun ownership is not prohibited in France and Germany, but only heavily restricted.
                    1. 0
                      5 October 2026 14: 42
                      Germany has a strict ban. Getting a permit for an air gun is a real pain.
      2. 0
        11 October 2026 21: 59
        The illustration shows cartridges with expanding bullets. I think one would be enough for anyone.
    2. +1
      25 September 2026 07: 04
      Quote: stroybat ZABVO
      That's why I carry a revolver with four bullets.

      You're so great! I would do the same!
      1. 0
        5 October 2026 00: 26
        So who's stopping you? A hunting license, a shotgun, a couple of years of experience, and then it's all over the place. With a bagpipe, it's somehow calmer. hi
  2. +9
    25 September 2026 04: 23
    The Borchard had a magazine, but both the Mauser and the Rotsteyr were loaded using clips.

    Eh! Hmm!
    Dear author! They all had a magazine. Only the Mauser and Rotsteyer had a fixed magazine, loaded from clips, while the Borchardt was fed from a removable magazine, like most modern repeating pistols.
    1. +3
      25 September 2026 07: 07
      Quote: Grossvater
      there was a store

      You just had to add "replaceable," that's all. Don't take little things so seriously. But if you're drawn to editing, great! Buy my book "Revolvers and Pistols" from AST and look for the mistakes. They'll probably be there. It's still available... Then we'll decide how to thank you when it's republished.
      1. 0
        25 September 2026 09: 30
        1. The most noble thing that God has put into his creation is the word."
        Anne de Beaujeu, regent of the French kingdom during the reign of the young Charles VIII, was, according to contemporaries, "the most influential and powerful woman in Europe."
        So it's worth being careful with this very word. Especially since Voroshilov, the thirteenth century, used to say, "Artillery is an exact science."
        2. Your book can certainly be verified. The question is, how much are you willing to pay? wink.
        1. +2
          25 September 2026 12: 21
          Quote: Grossvater
          The question is how much are you willing to pay?

          We can discuss this in private messages....
      2. +4
        25 September 2026 10: 30
        Quote: kalibr
        Don't take little things to heart.

        Don't be angry, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but there are some parts of the article that are "eye-sore."
        Tritium coating on the front sight and sight allow you to reliably control its aiming at the target.

        Probably the rear sight. The tritium reticles themselves improve aiming in low-light conditions. They offer no other advantages in target acquisition.
        1. +6
          25 September 2026 12: 24
          Quote: Adrey
          Probably the rear sight after all.

          Of course. But when you translate "their" text, even with Google's help, the result is very crude, even in purely literary terms. And you have to reread and rewrite the translation. And sometimes, quite often, you miss quite trivial things.
          1. 0
            25 September 2026 18: 21
            Actually, I also have a question about terms. What are the first ones? automatic Do we know pistols? There are many of them, by the way: among them is the famous Mauser - C96 Mauser K96 - German self-loading pistol
            Are the concepts of automatic and self-loading deliberately mixed up?
            1. +2
              25 September 2026 18: 55
              Quote: balabol
              Are the concepts of automatic and self-loading deliberately mixed up?

              Household level, no more...
  3. +4
    25 September 2026 04: 26
    That is, a “civilian type” pistol may well be… flat and loaded with a clip.

    Translated into Russian, it should sound like this: ... and have a permanent magazine loaded using a clip.
  4. +5
    25 September 2026 04: 34
    That is, a “civilian type” pistol may well be… flat and loaded with a clip.

    There is no store at hand, but by feel wink The thickness of the magazine walls in the same PM is no more than 0,5 mm. This means that the grip thickness of pistols with removable and fixed magazines will differ by a whole ONE mm.
    Considering that the vast majority of firearms designers also equip their products with grip pads that increase the THICKNESS of the grip for the sake of grip comfort, the question arises...
    1. +2
      25 September 2026 05: 55
      It's not just the magazine wall thickness that needs to be considered, and not even the magazine itself, since the magazine essentially stays in place, eliminating the space it takes up in the grip, guides, and so on. Here, you can save 2-2.5 mm per side.
      1. 0
        25 September 2026 06: 56
        Ask if anyone you know has a traumatic Makarych. Look for "grip space and guides" that increase grip thickness. You can't skimp on 2-2,5 mm per side. The only thing you can do is reduce the thickness of the magazine well.
  5. +3
    25 September 2026 04: 45
    Interestingly, the use of small-bore cartridges seemed to allow the use of the simplest type of bolt on it - a free bolt.

    If you take the time to calculate the energy of this very "small-bore cartridge", then with a bullet weight of 2,1 g and an initial velocity of 716 / sec, you get 538 J, which is more than 9x19 and 7,62x25.
    Isn't it a bit much for a free shutter?
    1. +2
      25 September 2026 07: 10
      Quote: Grossvater
      Isn't it a bit much for a free shutter?

      They probably calculated all of this too and decided that its use was acceptable...
    2. +2
      25 September 2026 08: 55
      Reference books give 534 J. The weight of the free shutter should be around 700 grams.
  6. +1
    25 September 2026 05: 52
    The race for thin and flat doesn't take into account an important factor: grip comfort. For example, I have a fairly large paw and long fingers; I even put a rubber grip on the Groza, otherwise it's just not comfortable. And with similar models...
    1. +3
      25 September 2026 07: 13
      Quote: paul3390
      ease of holding.

      Market, Pavel... There are people with neat, short fingers, there are "pianist's fingers and pickpocket's fingers," there are sausage fingers, and even frankfurter fingers... So, a wide variety of grips, just like pistols, is a good thing. Come to the store, hold one, and choose!
  7. 0
    25 September 2026 07: 56
    May the author forgive me, the article is certainly interesting, but it looks too much like an advertising campaign...
    1. +4
      25 September 2026 10: 23
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      May the author forgive me, the article is certainly interesting, but it looks too much like an advertising campaign...

      No. KelTec doesn't need Shpakovsky's advertising. laughingThe company, although young by weapons standards, is quite well known.
    2. +4
      25 September 2026 12: 27
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      but it looks too much like an advertising campaign...

      It's taken from an advertising brochure, and... why shouldn't it smell like advertising? It doesn't matter to us whether it's advertising or not—it makes no difference. I haven't held these pistols in my hands or tested them. I have to trust those who have fired them "there" and what they wrote about it.
      1. 0
        25 September 2026 15: 32
        It's written smoothly...the company could have given a little money :))
        1. +3
          25 September 2026 16: 25
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          It's written smoothly...the company could have given a little money:

          Oh, Andrey! What are you saying... It's a fairy tale that some companies pay for these kinds of articles. They don't need it. They have their own website, advertising there, advertising in stores all over the country. And then there are the dealers. The good thing is that I get digests from them. And they haven't been blocked. "Ganz International" sends me a digest, I'm subscribed to it, but opening it... I can't always. As soon as I open it and start reading - "You've been blocked!" I used to be able to use the Metropolitan Museum of Art's statistics freely, but now - screw you - it won't even open. It's good that there are workarounds. And then, bank transactions "from there" are blocked too. So, if I write about some company, especially our Russian one, it's... "pure interest," without any "bribe." In the best case, the company contributes materially, not in cash, but with some of its products, to one or another book project for AST. And then, at the end of the book, she receives a thank-you from the author and the publisher, and a couple of books if the contribution was substantial. And that's it! Such are the circumstances of life today. Incidentally, some companies even refuse this kind of advertising—"give me money!" Although what special money for my homemade projects for school...
          1. +3
            25 September 2026 16: 36
            It's a fairy tale that some companies pay for this kind of article.
            What's the point of paying for advertising in a country where there is no private handgun market?
            1. +1
              25 September 2026 18: 53
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              What's the point of paying for advertising in a country where there is no private handgun market?

              Anton, you're not entirely right about that. VO is published in five languages ​​and is read in many countries where there's a market for it.
              1. +1
                25 September 2026 19: 10
                Vyacheslav Olegovich, KelTec probably publishes its advertising digests in these languages ​​too.
                1. +2
                  26 September 2026 05: 43
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  publishes its advertising digests in these languages ​​as well.

                  Of course! But in this case, the volume of the message matters. It's one thing when you publish it yourself. It's quite another when it's about you!
    3. 0
      5 October 2026 00: 37
      What problems are there in the 21st century?
      Opened the link
      www.keltecweapons.com
      and saw everything ourselves
  8. +1
    25 September 2026 08: 58
    Moreover, it fires 5,7×28mm rounds. Interestingly, the use of small-bore rounds seemed to allow it to use the simplest type of bolt action—a free-bolt mechanism.

    The author is seriously mistaken here. The 5.7x28 cartridge is not a small-bore cartridge, but a military one, with increased power for penetrating body armor. Its power is close to that of military intermediate cartridges.
    1. +2
      25 September 2026 12: 28
      Quote: Saxahorse
      "small-bore"

      Please pay attention to the quotation marks...
      1. +1
        26 September 2026 13: 01
        Quote: kalibr
        Please pay attention to the quotation marks...

        Of course I noticed. The point is that such a powerful cartridge makes using a blowback action difficult. However, many have already pointed this out.
        Overall, the article is good. Thank you!
        1. +2
          26 September 2026 13: 13
          Quote: Saxahorse
          Overall, the article is good, by the way.

          I'm glad you liked it. I wrote about the cartridge in my article about the KelTech submachine gun, so I didn't repeat myself. And, of course, it's important to keep in mind that this is a purely journalistic article. I haven't handled the pistol, disassembled it, lubricated it, and certainly haven't fired it. It's based on someone else's material, and it's written with a very specific approach. In English. It had to be translated without losing the meaning, and the style and presentation had to be adjusted—in other words, a purely journalistic treatment of the text. Therefore, the omission of a number of crucial technical points in articles like this is inevitable. There's no basic information, you don't have it, and, of course, there's nowhere to find it. Moreover, the user manual isn't much help here. They have their own presentation and style...
  9. +2
    25 September 2026 09: 11
    5,7×28 mm cartridge. It is interesting that the use of small-bore cartridges seemed to allow

    The 5,7×28mm isn't a small-bore cartridge. It's a fairly powerful cartridge for personal defense weapons (PDWs), more powerful than the 9mm Para. It was designed to penetrate standard body armor.
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      1. -2
        25 September 2026 12: 32
        There is a Derenger chambered for the AKM, but the short barrel produces energy at the level of 9 * 19, but inserting an AKM 7,62x39 7 gram bullet into a TT case with a 0,5 gram powder charge will give the same energy in the PP and TT at subsonic 9-19, but we have 7,62 barrels in our warehouses like dirt, this includes TT and PPSh and PPSh and PPS and the same Vityaz and AK 7,62x39 with a short barrel can be converted into a PP on 7.62x25, in vain did they not listen to Fedorov, he proposed at the beginning of the war to make the TT cartridge with a pointed bullet hi
  11. 0
    25 September 2026 10: 27
    When carrying a gun tucked into a belt, the thickness of the grip isn't important at all – it's what keeps the gun from slipping into your pants. And comparing which police officers use their weapons and how often is beyond comprehension. It's one thing for a detective who makes arrests every day, and quite another for a duty officer sitting on the phone in the duty room. Or even a guy in a rear-echelon position who doesn't even need a gun. Does a general even need one on the street?! Judging by that TV series where a general in civilian clothes tries to detain thugs in an indoor market, and in another case just happens to be outside a jewelry store during a robbery – why would a general carry a gun all the time?! I just noticed a traffic police officer on the highway has a holster hanging at mid-body level like a belt pouch, not on his belt near his pants, but slung diagonally over his shoulder. And the barrel there is clearly not small—either a Stechkin or some PP. It's a triangle with sides about 20-25 cm long.
  12. +3
    25 September 2026 11: 10
    Quote: Victor Alien
    When carrying a gun tucked into your belt, the thickness of the grip is not important at all - it will just prevent the pistol from falling into your pants...

    In the Americans, the method of carrying pistols/revolvers behind the trouser belt with the barrel inward is called "Mexican style"; holsters are made for this type of wearing.


    Quote: Victor Alien
    And comparing which police officers use weapons and how often is beyond comprehension. It's one thing for a detective to make arrests every day, and quite another for a duty officer sitting on the phone in the duty room. Or even a stupid person in a rear-echelon position, where a gun is completely unnecessary. Does a general even need one on the street?! Well, judging by the TV series where a general in civilian clothes tries to detain some thugs in an indoor market.

    In this case, the use of weapons probably meant foreign patrol police, in our case the PPS are classified as public security police, or authorized (opera) criminal police, in the bourgeoisie detectives.
    We have strict regulations regarding the use of service weapons. TV series depict police officers as gunfighters... they don't pretend to accurately depict investigative operations.
    Quote: Victor Alien

    I noticed a traffic police officer on the highway wearing a holster that's about mid-body, like a fanny pack—not on his belt, but slung diagonally over his shoulder. And the barrel is clearly not small—either a Stechkin or some other submachine gun. It's a triangle with sides about 20-25 cm long.

    The Ministry of Internal Affairs, including the Internal Troops, carried the APS, but I haven't seen it with the traffic police or the State Traffic Inspectorate (GIBDD) on assignment in Chechnya, or at patrol posts or mobile outposts in other regions. I've seen the Kedr submachine gun with traffic police; there's a holster for it, and it can also be worn on a belt.
    1. ANB
      0
      26 September 2026 02: 15
      In Moscow, the PPS are armed with:
      PM, AKSU-74, AK-74, Kedr, SVDS, RPK.
      Naturally, everything is in the armory. They take what they need according to the task and the team.
  13. +1
    25 September 2026 11: 32
    Quote: Victor Alien
    I noticed this at a traffic police officer's

    On election day I saw traffic police with AKSU in different places!!!
    1. +1
      25 September 2026 11: 59
      The defendant was taken to court in a paddy wagon. Under AKSU escort. I saw it with my own eyes on September 23rd...
      Where would they shoot from them so as not to kill a bunch of people with ricochets (unloading in the courtyard, from the second floor there are large windows all around...)?
  14. +2
    25 September 2026 12: 57
    And here, a very important question arose for the military, police, and civilians who use pistols in one way or another: why do they even need them today?

    I like the German approach back then—to meet the needs of police, personal, and self-defense weapons, they created the Walther RR and Walther RRK, which were as unified as possible but differed in barrel length (98 mm and 83 mm) and had a simple blowback-operated design. When we developed the PM based on these pistols, in my opinion, we over-unified them—the average barrel was 93,5 mm, shorter for the RR and longer for the RRK. Although it was clear that the pistol would be produced in large quantities anyway, it would have been more logical to create two pistols chambered for the 9x18 mm cartridge with different barrel lengths, as the Germans did. This would have covered all the basic needs for police, personal, service, and self-defense weapons. However, combat weapons—for machine gunners, tank crews, pilots, etc.—would have been logically designed for a more powerful cartridge and a more complex automatic system.
  15. +2
    25 September 2026 14: 11
    I live in the US and will never buy anything from KelTec because they sent free guns to pig farmers and used it as advertising. Plus, their quality is so-so—low-end in stores.
    I've never heard Americans use the term "Mexican style." If they carry a pistol (and they often do) in a holster inside their pants, they call it an IWB (inside waist band).
    I've never seen or heard of a four-round revolver. Someone probably carries a five-shot revolver with one empty chamber opposite the firing pin, for some unknown reason.
    1. +2
      25 September 2026 16: 27
      Quote: Volunteer
      They sent free weapons to the pig-country and made an advertisement out of it.

      Here are the dogs... But what can you say... "just business", seize the moment...
    2. +3
      25 September 2026 16: 29
      Quote: Volunteer
      And their quality is so-so - the lower niche in stores.

      I'd be interested in reading a review from you about what gun shops in your state sell most often, and which brands are in demand. Gunsmiths are usually chatty and can tell you a lot...at least that's what I've been told.
      1. 0
        26 September 2026 16: 01
        Thanks for your interest! I've been shooting pistols for many years and am passionate about shooting and hunting in general. I could talk for hours about this topic. This Sunday, I'm heading to the Canadian border to hunt grouse. Northern Maine isn't Siberia, but there's plenty of scope. It's impossible to cover everything in a simple comment, but I'd love to write about gun laws, handgun carrying requirements, gun purchase regulations, and so on in different states. Upon my return, I plan to contact the site administration and offer to cover this topic if they'd be interested.
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          26 September 2026 17: 52
          Quote: Volunteer
          I'd be happy to write about gun laws, handgun carrying regulations, gun purchasing rules, and so on in different states. Upon my return, I'm planning to contact the site's administration and offer to cover this topic if they'd be interested.

          Do it! You'll find a very appreciative audience here!
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      26 September 2026 14: 16
      Greetings from Argentina
      "Most likely, for some reason unknown to me, someone is carrying a five-shot rifle with one empty chamber opposite the firing pin...."
      I've been told hundreds of times to carry my revolver with one cartridge missing "opposite the hammer"... I've always done it that way. But once, before a precarious situation, just in case—and cases are different 😊—I loaded it fully and carried it that way for a while, forgetting about it. But one day, while playing with my dog, the revolver fell out of my pocket and fired. It went through a shelf in the kitchen and broke a cup... I use lead, unjacketed, expanding bullets, so there were no ricochets...
      In short, I strictly carry a "five-shot rifle with one empty chamber opposite the firing pin...."
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        26 September 2026 15: 31
        It makes sense... I almost always carry a pistol, but when it's really hot and I'm wearing a T-shirt, I'd reach for the Smith & Wesson 360PD. It's easy to carry in a special holster in my shorts pocket. It's not cheap, but like almost all modern Smith & Wesson revolvers, it has an internal striker block that blocks the firing pin's path while the trigger is forward. This prevents the primer from being punctured if dropped. But this spring, I managed to find a Heckler Koch VP9CC, which I also carry in a holster in my pocket when I'm lightly dressed. The VP9CC almost always comes with an electronic sight, which is inconvenient to carry in a pocket but costs an extra $300. And the pistol itself costs over $900. In short, the revolver now lives in a safe... The VP9CC suits me because I often carry and practice with its older brother, the VP9A1.
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    25 September 2026 14: 41
    Quote: Victor Alien
    There was a very stoned guy there

    And not only "there"... :)
    There are quite a few of them hanging around – they regularly post videos of police shooting, almost a dozen times, at a walking body before it collapses...
    And at the same time, it also advances on the shooter, who backs away...
    Now we're swapping the cop for a civilian - he might even believe in the walking dead...
    And if it's also a small-bore caliber, which has no stopping power at all, except for the head...
    So, the number of bullets matters...
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    26 September 2026 03: 22
    Quote: ANB
    In Moscow, the PPS are armed with:
    PM, AKSU-74, AK-74, Kedr, SVDS, RPK.
    Naturally, everything is in the armory. They take what they need according to the task and the team.

    I know, even though I served in the KM. I spoke for the traffic police during my daily duties, without interceptions or reinforcements... hi
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    28 September 2026 15: 37
    It's strange to chase grip thickness. There's a cartridge. And there's a barrel, which holds that cartridge. Wall thickness is a must. Then there's the barrel in the bolt. That's all about thickness. A blowback system requires mass. A powerful cartridge and a delayed blowback system, too. And a rotating barrel and gas system. Mass is always welcome. Mass is almost equal to thickness. Or make the bolt out of lead. laughing laughing
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    1 October 2026 13: 10
    I read somewhere that weapons from Keltek are of poor quality.
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    2 October 2026 13: 56
    It looks nice in the photo, but they all burn equally painfully.
  21. +1
    3 October 2026 20: 34
    The article is very useful!
    Unfortunately, the numerous comments don't address the idea itself: a flat pistol with a modern design.
    Legislation on civilian weapons should be based on one basic principle: the smaller the size of the weapon, the stricter the rules for its ownership.
    And vice versa: the larger the dimensions of the weapon, the easier it is to wield.
    Automation is prohibited altogether.
    So, a pistol made of modern materials, with a single-row magazine, loaded with a clip of 7-8 rounds - this is both a sufficient and necessary condition for the necessary self-defense.
    But the rules for owning and wearing them are (see above).
    But in society, in foreign countries, and especially in our own, there is a practically complete absence of a culture of civilian weapons.
    And the owners are practically not to blame for this.
    Because the origin (purpose) of short-barreled weapons is war.
    And it will enter civilian society later. Once it has proven itself in battles, combat, and operations. It will earn authority and a reputation for increased sales. Bolstered by its cinematic history.
    And when you have a 17-round beauty in front of you - heroic, lethal, like Mr. X himself, or small, flat, light, and, yes, beautiful, yes, also deadly, but unknown - then the choice is obvious.
    When a man sees a weapon he likes, the same instincts are activated as when he sees a woman.
    Choose the most beautiful, the most luxurious, the most attractive...!))
    And there's no one to blame for this. It's nature.
    The same goes for the weapon discussed in this article. It can and should be chosen solely with reason, to the exclusion of everything else. Or as a second weapon in the family.
    Something like this. All the best!