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For the first time, Ka-52 helicopters are involved in the military aviation exercise of the Southern Military District

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For the first time, Ka-52 helicopters are involved in the military aviation exercise of the Southern Military District

In the tactical flight exercises of the army aviation The southern military district, which is taking place these days in the Krasnodar Territory, is the first to use Ka-52 helicopters (Alligator), which arrived at the air base two months ago.


The flight crews of the Alligator squadron will work on several tasks in the sky at once. They will have to redeploy and land on unfamiliar airfields, aerial reconnaissance, detect and destroy ground and air targets, as well as carry out live firing and destroy manpower and fire weapons of the conditional enemy.

During the week, the pilots will fly around the 30 helicopter in pairs and links. More than 50 helicopter pilots were involved in the training, as well as about 100 aerodrome technical support specialists.

Events of this level in the army aviation district on the Ka-52 are held for the first time.
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  1. il grand casino
    il grand casino 4 June 2013 13: 36 New
    +3
    Good cars and good news!
    1. Interface
      Interface 4 June 2013 14: 02 New
      +6
      In 2011, the Bell concern lost the Russian Helicopters to the palm. Ka-52 - the best helicopter in the world, let anyone challenge.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 4 June 2013 14: 24 New
        +3
        And here you can in more detail?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 4 June 2013 15: 27 New
          10
          And instead of answering in more detail, the people began to pour in minuses. Where Russian Helicopters intercepted a palm tree, how - all do not care. The main transparency and cheers shout. And do not care about the real situation 8).
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 4 June 2013 15: 35 New
            +7
            This is most likely about this:



            1. Marine One
              Marine One 4 June 2013 16: 03 New
              11
              The comparison is absolutely incorrect. Russian holding uniting ALL civil and military helicopter production in the country and one American company that has a civilian range ten times larger than the military, and which specializes in the army, primarily, for convertiplanes. Where is Sykorsky, Boeing with McDonnell Douglas and their joint Apache - the main US combat helicopter?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 4 June 2013 16: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: Marine One
                uniting ALL civil and military helicopter production of the country

                All remaining in Russia during the collapse of the USSR and not sawn after. Only 5 factories and 2 KB.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 4 June 2013 17: 08 New
              +3
              Well, if you take the absolute numbers, then Eurocopter is the leader



              If interest is relative to 2011, then Bell and Robinson



              Russian Helicopters have growth, and not bad. And the result is not bad overall, very good. But the palm of priesthood ???
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 4 June 2013 19: 02 New
                +1
                I do not know. The question is not for me.
                On the other hand, the Ka-52 is still better than Bell's AH-1 Cobra. Maybe this friend meant?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 4 June 2013 20: 39 New
                  +2
                  8))) Maybe this. Although doubtful
          2. sub307
            sub307 4 June 2013 15: 46 New
            +8
            I agree. Some commentators just "amuse":
            - something was built, flew (went out to sea), etc. - "Nice cars and good news!":
            Duc and so "clear pepper", which is clearly not bad.
            - something fell (drowned), died, stolen, etc. - "we groan, we condole, rest in peace", etc. from a set of "duty" phrases.
            But noted.
            1. Edward72
              Edward72 4 June 2013 16: 36 New
              +6
              A year since I visited the site, I noticed these people for a long time. Just to be noted. In Russia there is a saying, keep silent for a smart side.
      2. VAF
        VAF 4 June 2013 16: 26 New
        +6
        Quote: Interface
        Ka-52 - the best helicopter in the world, let someone challenge.


        I bet! What? And what does it mean ... let it be? request
      3. sashka
        sashka 4 June 2013 16: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: Interface
        Ka-52 - the best helicopter in the world, let someone challenge.

        Is Apache worse?
      4. Rustam
        Rustam 4 June 2013 17: 40 New
        +4
        What? Who lost to whom and especially in what and by what indicators?

        Right, where's the Boeing and Agusta? And Eurocopter

        Just to blurt out, but what and how it does not matter?
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 4 June 2013 14: 11 New
      +5
      And what is even better - some three months ago, they said that they had solved the questions on the URO. And then to fly only with NURs such a machine was not right.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 4 June 2013 14: 26 New
        10
        What a maximalist you are! laughing
        NURy early to write off. For example, pick-up jeeps with a DShK in the back attacked Russia, will you really wet them with high-precision rockets? Tanks are unlikely to attack, but jeeps are very likely. DShK hits on 2 -2.5 km. From a distance of 3 km NURs are accurate enough if the pilot is skilled enough. It’s expensive to wet such precision missiles, I would even regret NURs for such a lame pickup truck, I would drop an ordinary bomb, but there is no way to get so close. The DShK will not break through the cockpit - the KA-52 has reliable armor from bullets up to 14.5 mm, but it can easily damage other parts of the helicopter.
        1. VAF
          VAF 4 June 2013 16: 45 New
          12
          Quote: aksakal
          For example, pick-up jeeps with a DShK in the back attacked Russia, will you really wet them with high-precision rockets?


          Dear Aksakal! For pickup jeeps and Ka-52? lol

          Although yes ... more then who can he fight? So far ... only against infantry, with assault rifles, and with DShK, but even with MANPADS ... already problematic.
          At the moment!

          Yes, and you still have to get into the jeep .... here's an example:



          Hit accuracy ..... for 100% straight crying



          Here you have the whole NURS and NAR recourse
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 4 June 2013 17: 12 New
          +4
          Well, how do pickup jeeps ride in a village or city with a civilian population? Ali error in the identification? And in the middle of a rocket flight will you receive a signal about this?
        3. VAF
          VAF 4 June 2013 17: 13 New
          +7
          Quote: aksakal
          DShK hits on 2 -2.5 km. From a distance of 3 km NURs are quite accurate,


          The maximum range of NUR's application is 4000 meters. Effective -1,5-2,5 km (at which minimal dispersion is achieved) and, as you can see, it just fits into the range of the DShK wink



          KB gives "advertising" that the cabin is protected up to a caliber of 23 mm belay , but there are two "powder barrels" (ejection seats) in the cockpit request
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 5 June 2013 10: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            The maximum range of NUR's application is 4000 meters.

            I’m probably not in the know about the latest events, but has the 30 mm gun been already removed from the Ka-52? I would have fired a jeep from a gun, if necessary.
        4. sergey261180
          sergey261180 4 June 2013 18: 03 New
          +5
          Over Americans helphires on freestanding people naughty and Nitsche. It costs $ 190000 by the way.
        5. Suhov
          Suhov 4 June 2013 18: 15 New
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          NURy early to write off.

          You are definitely right. .
          Compare DShK with NURsami - incorrect. There are bullets, shells here.
          Again, the choice between a pickup truck with DShK and a helicopter with NUR's for a person with a normal psyche is obvious.
          laughing
      2. abc_alex
        abc_alex 4 June 2013 17: 34 New
        0
        And what are the problems of the Ka-52 with a URO? EMNIP there the only problem was not quite the right choice of the URO system. Unlike Milevians, the Kamovites did not take the Attack, but the Whirlwind. And not only is it too ATGM, so in addition it seems to be recognized as unpromising and is being withdrawn from the armament ... But it seems that even when it was taken into service, it could carry the KBM-ORO.
        1. VAF
          VAF 4 June 2013 18: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: abc_alex
          And what are the problems of the Ka-52 with a URO?


          So far, very large! Not yet at the Ka-52 URO, and with a gun .... not really ... yet!

          Quote: abc_alex
          Unlike Milevians, the Kamovites did not take the Attack, but the Whirlwind.


          And there was an Attack and there, Whirlwind ... this is "Wishlist", only the "Attack" has been flying on the Mim-28 for a long time, and on the Ka-52 ... only once on the wholesale number 52 and that's it .... for now, hopefully

          Here is the freshest photo from the design bureau .. while only .. "carry", what will happen next .. let's see bully

          1. Pimply
            Pimply 4 June 2013 18: 16 New
            +5
            Does the gun have any restrictions on rotation?
            And what else?
            1. VAF
              VAF 4 June 2013 19: 04 New
              +7
              Quote: Pimply
              And what else?


              Zhenya, hello! Let me not answer, otherwise it’s the same ... lol
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 4 June 2013 20: 40 New
                +2
                Yes, Serezha, they love this business. Still accused of conspiracy 8)
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 4 June 2013 21: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            And there was an Attack and there, Whirlwind ... this is "Wishlist", only the "Attack" has been flying on the Mim-28 for a long time, and on the Ka-52 ... only once on the wholesale number 52 and that's it .... for now, hopefully

            "Attack" is a second generation complex. It's somehow not good for a modern combat helicopter to hang and wait for it to fly.
    3. Airman
      Airman 4 June 2013 15: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: il grand casino
      Good cars and good news!


      It’s only a pity that these cars arrived 2 months ago, and not 10 years ago, the skill of the crews would be higher. But what they did is already good.
  2. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 4 June 2013 13: 36 New
    +1
    This can not but rejoice.
  3. Vtel
    Vtel 4 June 2013 13: 37 New
    0
    The hands are itching just the same - to steer and give a salvo of all types of weapons, look at the enemies, we don’t fly on a broomstick.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 4 June 2013 14: 26 New
      +5
      Let's hit, be sure to hit! The whole world is in ruin ... But then.
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 4 June 2013 15: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        But then.

        Then, we ours, we will build a new world, who was nobody, that will become everything
      2. datur
        datur 4 June 2013 15: 05 New
        -2
        Pimpled, and what do you have to do with it? wink
        1. tomket
          tomket 4 June 2013 15: 14 New
          +3
          Yes, for Apache it offends him, that's all.
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 4 June 2013 17: 51 New
            +7
            Apache is offended by him
            -----------
            What are you? For Apache, on the contrary, it does not hurt him, Apache in its 3 versions is the standard and the perfect

            Ka-52 and Mi-28n still catch up and catch up
            1. OTAKE
              OTAKE 4 June 2013 18: 01 New
              +4
              Quote: Rustam
              What are you? For Apache, on the contrary, it does not hurt him, Apache in its 3 versions is the standard and the perfect

              Wang a bunch of minuses and a mandatory reference story about an Iraqi grandfather who brought down a vaunted Apache from a berdanka
              1. Rustam
                Rustam 4 June 2013 19: 43 New
                +4
                Grandpa remember how now winked against the backdrop of Apache, and a sweet tale of how he damaged it from the drill.


                Photo March 2003 - an epic hero about whom visionaries are still legends, the farmer’s feat is immortalized for centuries smile
            2. PLO
              PLO 4 June 2013 18: 27 New
              +7
              What are you? For Apache, on the contrary, it does not hurt him, Apache in its 3 versions is the standard and the perfect

              oh .. could not stand it, Rustam)

              Apache will never be the best helicopter, especially perfection itself.
              how a helicopter / platform (according to performance characteristics, payload, reservation) Mi-28 and Ka-52 are completely superior to Apache

              the truth is that as a complex of weapons Apache is now really superior to Mi-28 / Ka-52, but no more.
              1. VAF
                VAF 4 June 2013 19: 16 New
                +7
                Quote: olp
                the truth is that as a complex of weapons Apache is now really superior to Mi-28 / Ka-52, but no more.


                Oleg, the point is that the amers and NATs ... consider everything as a COMPLEX, and we are like ... a good helicopter and a good airplane, but the fact that the Ka-52 is still the best weapon is a "slingshot" (I exaggerate , but for greater perception) this is not the main thing.
                The main thing is fellow good news etc.

                And what is the BKO complex there, as before, 50% .so this .... st, the main thing fellow

                And what about the Ka-52, even when NUR's firing the speed limit of at least 100 km / h due to engine surge?

                But on Apache with Helfs .. there is no such thing .. well, etc.

                So, Rustam, unfortunately, is 100% right!

                Well, about the "powder barrels" in the cockpit ... I already wrote above ... here's a photo ... they are perfectly visible ... then everything is clear ... in terms of the consequences of a hit? wassat

                1. PLO
                  PLO 4 June 2013 20: 30 New
                  0
                  hello, Sergey.
                  Oleg, the point is that the amers and NATs ... consider everything as a COMPLEX, and we are like ... a good helicopter and a good airplane, but the fact that the Ka-52 is still the best weapon is a "slingshot" (I exaggerate , but for greater perception) this is not the main thing.
                  The main thing is that fellow is good news, etc.

                  Well, I'm still sure that those who should (well, those who want) see this helicopter exactly as must

                  in the end, seriously upset about the quality of comments on a military, but still popular site, regarding a similarly popular article is stupid.


                  but the fact that the best weapon on the Ka-52 is the "slingshot"
                  And what about the Ka-52, even when NUR's firing the speed limit of at least 100 km / h due to engine surge?

                  restrictions on the operation of new equipment are not uncommon, but tests are probably being carried out and these problems are being solved

                  Well, about the "powder barrels" in the cockpit ... I already wrote above ... here's a photo ... they are perfectly visible ... then everything is clear ... in terms of the consequences of a hit?

                  honestly did not understand this comment
                  if a shell got into the cockpit and saved energy in order to detonate the powder engines for pilots, I think there’s nothing to worry about.
                  and indeed for the first time I hear that ejection seats were a drawback.
                  in any case, this is no more dangerous than carrying ATGMs / bombs / nurses on an external sling, the probability of their detonation is much greater

                  And what is the BKO complex there, as before, 50% .so this .... st, the main thing is fellow

                  Do you mean that there are still no EW components? Is she even planned there? like protection against the infrared seeker is standing there.

                  and what is hanging on the suspension of this helicopter in the photo?
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 4 June 2013 20: 45 New
                    +4
                    If the car is good in the long run, then you should not say that it is better. Now she's NOT BETTER. Now she is WORSE. And you should not forget about it. That's when she really will be better, then you can brag. In the meantime ...
                    1. PLO
                      PLO 4 June 2013 20: 56 New
                      +1
                      If the car is good in the long run, then you should not say that it is better. Now she's NOT BETTER. Now she is WORSE. And you should not forget about it. That's when she really will be better, then you can brag. In the meantime ...

                      you just entered that thin ice called extreme
                      why do you think it is necessary to either praise or pour mud? I personally prefer to give credit
                      and the creation of any weapon system and / or system for its use cannot happen instantly, but this does not mean zero significance in the creation of a particular stage and element
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 4 June 2013 21: 11 New
                        +2
                        Because these are already production cars. And there is no need to wave the flag and shout "ours is better" if it is not. They are worse at the moment, and not only in terms of the armament complex. Both the Mi-28 and the Ka-52 have a number of serious shortcomings. If you compare them with Apache Longbow block 3, and say that ours are better, then let's present something other than words.
                        These are good helicopters. But still very raw.
                      2. PLO
                        PLO 4 June 2013 21: 25 New
                        +2
                        refinement always occurs even after the start of mass production and the operation of many types of weapons is limited. mass examples
                        of the latter, a vivid example of the Su-34 (mass production in 2010, adoption in 2012)
                        or the same F-35 has been mass-produced for a sufficient amount of time, but if it is accepted for service, it will know when and whether it will be incomprehensible at all.

                        They are currently worse, and not only in terms of weapons. That the Mi-28, that the Ka-52 has a number of serious drawbacks.

                        be more specific, anything other than words (C)

                        If you compare them with Apache Longbow block 3, and say that ours is better, then let's present something other than words.

                        I’m saying how the Ka-52 and Mi-28 helicopter surpasses Apache utterly, confirmation of their LTH

                        These are good helicopters. But still very raw.

                        so they told you below that in a year and a half they have dried up significantly)
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 4 June 2013 23: 56 New
                        +2
                        F-35 is a small experimental series, which did not stand on combat duty. And no one says yet that he is the best, most wonderful, and is doing everything now. They say that he WILL BE the best, the most wonderful, and WILL do all. But this is now an unfinished platform for which not everything has been finalized.

                        It’s absolutely normal when the car has fine-tuning. This is a normal development process. But if the machine has taken up combat duty, if it is SERIOUSLY going into the troops, it is not necessary to say that it is better if this is not so. Than? LTH? On the paper? Let’s then remove the armament from him, figs need, LTX fence.
                        From what is known, the avionics are brought up, the self-propelled guns on both the Ka-52 and the Mi-28 are damp.

                        And Apache Block 3 has the ability to operate several UAVs, which neither the Mi-28 nor the Ka-52 have. We will discuss the nomenclature of armaments?
                      4. PLO
                        PLO 5 June 2013 00: 59 New
                        +3

                        And Apache Block 3 has the ability to operate several UAVs, which neither the Mi-28 nor the Ka-52 have. We will discuss the nomenclature of armaments?

                        you should read what is written above, many of your questions would disappear by themselves

                        F-35 is a small experimental series, which did not stand on combat duty. And no one says yet that he is the best, most wonderful, and is doing everything now. They say that he WILL BE the best, the most wonderful, and WILL do all. But this is now an unfinished platform for which not everything has been finalized.

                        What kind of combat duty are you talking about? Is that your submarine?
                        a small experimental series has been going on since 2006.
                        in 2012, the first production (!) came to the combat unit. if you remember in the fall there were heated discussions.
                        so you are wrong.
                        about the fact that no one says that he is the best again wrong.
                        but in general you need to work on the logic of a helicopter (Ka-52) which, according to Sergey’s information, is not currently using UR and cannot automatically be armed.


                        Than? LTH? On the paper? Let’s then remove the armament from him, figs need, LTX fence.

                        not that you, let's send all the Apaches to the junk, configure the balloons on the rope so that they do not fly away, but we will hang several hundred Hellfires. OK, yes? continue clowning?

                        but seriously. the effectiveness of any system depends on its elements, so your skepticism about LTX is inappropriate.

                        From what is known, the avionics are brought up, the self-propelled guns on both the Ka-52 and the Mi-28 are damp.

                        I doubt very much that you even know not what exactly right now problems arise, but also the severity of these problems, as well as the degree of their solution.
                        all this applies to the same Apaches.


                        And Apache Block 3 has the ability to operate several UAVs, which neither the Mi-28 nor the Ka-52 have.

                        yah? this is just one of those "unparalleled" wunderwaffe only from the American side.
                        the path to this opportunity lies in a completely different plane of direct relevance to the development of the helicopter without. here, first of all, a platform is needed. and she [the helicopter], however amusing it may be. there are actually no drones that can be controlled, and there is no corresponding research on the need to give a similar analogue later on.

                        We will discuss the nomenclature of armaments?

                        why not discuss if you want to. I think it will be funny.
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 5 June 2013 01: 06 New
                        +1
                        I understood. The main thing for you is the right label, right?
                      6. PLO
                        PLO 5 June 2013 01: 19 New
                        +1
                        I understood. The main thing for you is the right label, right?

                        not. You misunderstood.
              2. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 5 June 2013 10: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                If you compare them with Apache Longbow block 3

                Does figure 3 probably speak of a third modernization? then the 1st and 2nd were not happy with something.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 4 June 2013 20: 41 New
        +2
        They do not consider the helicopter as something separate, but as part of a certain general concept, where one supports the other. FROM
    2. Rustam
      Rustam 4 June 2013 19: 57 New
      +3
      Hello ! Well, at least for some positions you agree with me drinks

      Last year, we discussed this topic many times.
      1. PLO
        PLO 4 June 2013 20: 35 New
        +1
        Hello ! Well, at least for some positions you agree with me

        I agree with you in many ways, we just have different conclusions hi
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 4 June 2013 22: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: olp
          I agree with you in many ways, we just have different conclusions

          Sometimes the conclusions are so far from the truth
          that even to call them erroneous - the language does not turn.
          laughing
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 4 June 2013 13: 39 New
    +5
    All the same, in my opinion, our military equipment is the most beautiful in the world!
    1. INTER
      INTER 4 June 2013 13: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: avant-garde
      All the same, in my opinion, our military equipment is the most beautiful in the world!

      I agree that these same designers would be given the opportunity to design Russian-made cars good
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 4 June 2013 14: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: INTER
        Russian cars


        all in good time, I was pleasantly surprised to learn that an engine of the standard E-4 530-series was developed at YaMZ, KamAZ, for example, did not master it, puts Cammens from China. I will explain a little, this is a fundamentally new engine, before that they assembled engines developed back in the 50-60s, only the periphery of the injection system changed, by the way, the amazing thing KamAZ does not install YaMZ engines, but for the Typhoon it condescended, State order
      2. avant-garde
        avant-garde 4 June 2013 17: 18 New
        0
        represent winkedbeautiful lada viburnum flies over our roads fellow
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    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 4 June 2013 14: 11 New
      +4
      Yudashkin still invite as a designer.
  • maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 4 June 2013 13: 41 New
    +1
    Fly falcons! As often as possible.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 4 June 2013 13: 49 New
    +4
    Favorite reptile !!!
    The larger our menagerie (crocodiles, alligators), the calmer we feel!
    1. datur
      datur 4 June 2013 15: 09 New
      0
      [= Marconi41] Favorite reptile !!!
      The larger our menagerie (crocodiles, alligators) the calmer we feel! --- then, our terrarium + flower garden
      !!! wink yes
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 4 June 2013 13: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: maxcor1974
    Fly falcons! As often as possible.

    But still I want all the flights they had only a curriculum!
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 4 June 2013 13: 57 New
    +2
    Hello everyone! Fascinating photos ++++++++ We would use such machines + Mi-28 to replace the obsolete Mi-24 fleet in the ratio of 1 to 1 repeat, as well as weapons and fire control more efficiently soldier , but the most important thing is that the pilots get experience and regularly raise these birds in the sky!
    1. Check
      Check 4 June 2013 16: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: evgenii67
      Hello everyone! Fascinating photos ++++++++

      I welcome, but how do you like it
    2. abc_alex
      abc_alex 4 June 2013 17: 30 New
      0
      Do not confuse one with the other. Mi-24 is a landing assault (or attack) helicopter. It is not just called flying armored personnel carrier. He can deliver or pick up 8 people.
      And the Mi-28 is exclusively and only a drummer. Like the Ka-52.

      So replacing them 1: 1 is simply pointless. :)
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 4 June 2013 17: 55 New
        0
        Quote: abc_alex
        Do not confuse one with the other. Mi-24 is a landing assault (or attack) helicopter.

        But I don’t confuse anything, everyone should do their own thing and do their job perfectly, if you want to deliver airborne troops and fireworks (to shoot), then the Mi-8AMTSh will cope with this task.
      2. VAF
        VAF 4 June 2013 18: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: abc_alex
        only drummer. Like the Ka-52.


        This is what it is ...... your reconnaissance and command helicopter has already become a strike? belay
        Than "hit" you will .. and most importantly .. whom wassat

        All these photos are just for now .. "photo sessions" of that. that "wanted" and .. "want" no more, I hope that for now, but hope every day becomes less and thinner crying

        1. Hemi cuda
          Hemi cuda 4 June 2013 21: 22 New
          +1
          They will strike with a helicopter no matter what they strike with, but the Vedas are so beautiful.
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 7 June 2013 13: 36 New
          0
          Intelligence and command assumes that it is in whose interests to intelligence and who to command. It seems that you are no more competent than the rest of the people here.
      3. Avenger711
        Avenger711 7 June 2013 13: 35 New
        -1
        The Mi-24 is just a bad helicopter, which neither carries the troops nor does it fly because of the excess weight from the "cabin".
  • Pimply
    Pimply 4 June 2013 14: 27 New
    +3
    According to reviews from 2011, the helicopter was damp. I wonder what changes have made recently.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 4 June 2013 15: 03 New
      +7
      Quote: Pimply
      According to reviews from 2011, the helicopter was damp. I wonder what changes have made recently.

      Now it dried up does not drip and does not creak
    2. avant-garde
      avant-garde 4 June 2013 17: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Pimply
      According to reviews from 2011, the helicopter was damp. I wonder what changes have made recently.

      So they took you and told you !! This is classified information !!!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 4 June 2013 17: 43 New
        +3
        belay Fair???? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Panic Panic Panic
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 4 June 2013 14: 50 New
    +2
    The car is just a dream of any pilot!
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov 4 June 2013 15: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Scandinavian
      The car is just a dream of any pilot!

      Still with Hermes figured out.
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 4 June 2013 17: 15 New
    +3
    Everything new is not easy. The machines need to be operated, to correct deficiencies, to work in short. Just yesterday I was returning from a business trip, going through customs at the Rostov air base. The helicopter parking lots were pleasantly surprised - a lot of new cars, brand new Mi-26, modifications of Mi-8, Mi-28. Perhaps there are "raw" helicopters among the new ones, but in any case, this is a forward movement.
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  • Freem2012
    Freem2012 4 June 2013 19: 19 New
    0
    Pilots from Torzhok about the KA-52 spoke better than about the Mi-28.
    1. VAF
      VAF 4 June 2013 20: 03 New
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      Quote: Freem2012
      Pilots from Torzhok about the KA-52 spoke better than about the Mi-28.


      Well .. I don’t know who I was talking to, they said the opposite!

      After all, the helicopter was created for the war ... do not forget, so I repeat, if you just fly, then on the Ka-52, but if you just .. try it. It’s only on the Mi-28 soldier

      1. olegff68
        olegff68 5 June 2013 20: 53 New
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        Quote: vaf
        Quote: Freem2012
        Pilots from Torzhok about the KA-52 spoke better than about the Mi-28.


        Well .. I don’t know who I was talking to, they said the opposite!

        After all, the helicopter was created for the war ... do not forget, so I repeat, if you just fly, then on the Ka-52, but if you just .. try it. It’s only on the Mi-28 soldier


        And on MI-28 they solved the problem with surging engines during missile launches, or all the same with restrictions of 100 km. in hour ???
  • individual
    individual 4 June 2013 19: 42 New
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    It looks beautiful and powerful.
  • shalk
    shalk 4 June 2013 20: 50 New
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    At all forums, the operational hopelessness of the weapons produced by Russia is voiced by the operators, as usual, through intermediaries.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 4 June 2013 20: 58 New
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    Quote: shalk
    At all forums, the operational hopelessness of the weapons produced by Russia is voiced by the operators, as usual, through intermediaries.

    In any new technique, after operation, some kind of imperfections or shortcomings are manifested. This is normal ... The main thing is to quickly fix it.
    1. shalk
      shalk 4 June 2013 21: 20 New
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      Quite true. But, skeptics prefer, any weapons created by Russia, "funeral service" forward with gates. Already only because it is Russian.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 4 June 2013 23: 57 New
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      This is true and perfectly correct. This is a common thing. The question is not to sing praises ahead of time
      1. shalk
        shalk 5 June 2013 01: 35 New
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        Perhaps, in all the military forums, regardless of whether champagne was opened or not, about any product produced by the Russian military-industrial complex, the "burialists" immediately, literally on their fingers, explain to the esteemed public what a futile suck it all is. It is clear when the "boys" from the trench opposite are doing this. But, after all, everywhere there is a caste of "their own" authoritative experts, as a rule, from among the retired military, who, simply, morally destroy any Russian weapons. Strange, isn't it? Right at the time to get discouraged.
        Soviet weapons, the receiver of which is Russian, are one of the most warring in the world. It fought and fights, in capable hands, no worse than others.
  • helix
    helix 5 June 2013 09: 37 New
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    There are SUCH experts gathered here! And is there on the forum who operated the discussed helicopters? Ka-52, Mi-28, Apache, Hugh-Cobra? And can you really compare them? Or is all the talk and controversy based on gossip and media? I am a helicopter pilot, engineer, airborne officer. 26 calendars in the army. Only helicopters. Last 3 years at Kamov's company. Comparing the Mi-28 and Ka-52 as aircraft, I would argue that the Ka-52 is better. I do not comment on avionics and weapons - not special. The Mi-28 still has serious transmission problems. Not yet eliminated. I hope these issues will be resolved over time. So far, the Mi-28 has less raid on malfunctions (detected on the ground and in flight). Do you know what they say in Budennovsk (the place where the Mi-28 is actually operated)? "A rare car will reach the middle of the planned table" But, I hope, these are childhood diseases. I will not say anything about weapons, tk. not a specialist in this area, but guided weapons were used with the Ka-50 back in the "second Chechnya". And successfully. Fact. Limitations on the movement of the gun along the horizon? So the helicopter is spinning! And this (restriction in the movement of the gun) is a deliberate sacrifice. The gun was fixed closer to the center of gravity of the helicopter - which means less shaking - which means more accuracy, less shell dispersion. And in the nose of the helicopter there is the greatest vibration amplitude (just geometry), and hence the accuracy.
    And which of the members of the forum exploited Apache? No, I think. So what are we talking about? Compare advertising performance with real-life usage?
    The guys who have visited all kinds of joint UN missions in Africa can bring some clarity. And they saw (only saw) the exploitation of "foreign" turntables up close. Comparisons are not in their favor.
    1. yanus
      yanus 5 June 2013 12: 13 New
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      Quote: helix
      Avionics and weapons do not comment - not special.

      So there are no aerobatic teams discussing.

      Quote: helix
      Restrictions on moving the gun horizontally? So the helicopter is turning like that!

      No, well then on a new tank you need to make a motionless tower. The tank can turn around like caterpillars ..
      1. helix
        helix 5 June 2013 13: 09 New
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        Why compare tanks and aircraft? On fighters and attack aircraft, the guns are generally fixed immovably. And here are just some restrictions on movement in the horizontal plane. So the coaxial scheme is the most "fidgety" in this plane. By the way, the Swedes have a crazy tank. The gun moves a little for final aiming, and rough aiming - with the whole body, and in height - by changing the clearance in front or behind. There is one in Kubinka. You can watch it live.
        And about the first remark - I didn’t understand what it was about. I'm talking about the helicopter, how about the aircraft I can speak competently. But I’m not ready to discuss the intricacies of the operation of avionics and avionics equipment (IED) and the use of weapons, as not special in etof area.
      2. helix
        helix 5 June 2013 13: 16 New
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        Are you an expert on avionics Ka-52? Or serve in Torzhok, Chernihivka or Korenovsk?
  • Stas
    Stas 5 June 2013 12: 36 New
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    The helicopter is handsome !!! Anyone behind the hill produces cars with a coaxial arrangement of screws? Share the information.
    1. helix
      helix 5 June 2013 13: 22 New
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      There is no serial production of coaxial machines over the hill. Especially military helicopters. Someone (it seems Sikorsky) thinks to master as promising for high-speed helicopters.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 9 June 2013 21: 50 New
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    The dark color suits him.