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Showdown from the keel to the short. The work of shipbuilders is absolutely not satisfied with the state

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On May 24, the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Rogozin, held a meeting with the directors of domestic shipbuilding enterprises, at which he firmly demanded to restore order in shipbuilding and ship repair.


In fact, the shipbuilding captains gathered to get acquainted with the new head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Vladimir Shmakov, who, as planned, was to be presented by the Deputy Prime Minister. But what they heard after the presentation of the newly appointed head of the USC, made those present stronger hold on to the director's chairs, which, probably, some of them may soon lose.

Return to manual control

Dmitry Rogozin began a difficult conversation, stating that the state cannot tolerate the current situation, when a huge amount of financial resources abroad are withdrawn from the country instead of meeting the needs of domestic companies for new ships or repairs, the state cannot. This situation is simply intolerable and should not continue.

Meanwhile, the money invested in the industry is huge, but the returns from them are not yet visible. Moreover, there are direct threats to the failure of the implementation of the State Armaments Program for 2011 – 2020 years (GVV-2020) in the part of shipbuilding and ship repair. In order to prevent this, direct intervention in a critical situation is necessary, from which there is only one way out: direct dialogue between the government, USC and private companies operating in this field. It is extremely necessary to eliminate the problems that have emerged recently.

But the words alone will not fix the situation. That is why the President of the Russian Federation recently made a conceptual decision to place all orders for ship repair and shipbuilding in Russian capacities. At the same time, the attraction of foreign partners is possible and necessary, but only under the following two conditions.

The first. In case of serious justification of the requirements for their connection and placing orders outside the country. For example, due to the lack of proper potentials in Russia itself. At the same time for all orders placed outside the country will be made personal decisions. “Each such contract will be checked by me personally,” the deputy prime minister emphasized, “and only after my consent as authorized by the president for all shipbuilding, including military and civil, can this contract be signed.”

The second. All such transactions should be carefully designed. It is not only about the documentation and transparency of the agreements, although this is extremely important, but also about technology transfer, primarily using the offset scheme. This is how the whole world works. And it is time for us to move on to this, and not follow the stupid “buy-sell” scheme. It is necessary to land the latest technologies, scientific developments and investments on Russian soil. The largest countries that buy weapons and military equipment for themselves are actively using offset agreements. At the same time, they not only acquire civilian and defense equipment necessary for their needs, but also condition these transactions by attracting investments, transferring technologies, creating joint ventures and obtaining foreign assets.

In the near future, Dmitry Rogozin will hold a series of meetings with major companies - customers of marine civilian technology for the development of promising fields (Gazprom, Rosneft, Sovcomflot and others), which will discuss issues related to determining the needs of such vessels.

No strategy

The vice-premier's irritation caused a strange situation when customers try to place an order, and shipbuilders, under various pretexts, refuse such deals, finding for this various reasons. “These games between industry and customers need to end,” he said. - One offers to see the company's website - everything is supposedly written there, and the other does not know where to place these orders, at what time, what amounts of funds are supposed to be invested. Everything should be brought to a single scheme of synchronization of needs and demand. ”

Showdown from the keel to the short. The work of shipbuilders is absolutely not satisfied with the state

This is also important because the state defense order (GOZ) in accordance with the LG-2020, under which 23 trillion rubles was allocated to 2020, is constantly expanding. Therefore, it is imperative to make a decision as to what capacities can be involved in the state defense order and which should be completed or modernized. It is necessary to move away from paper scribbling and to engage in specific investments in infrastructure, the creation of new industries, the construction of specific objects.

In this connection, the lack of strategy of the United Shipbuilding Corporation is surprising, which Dmitry Rogozin called completely unacceptable. According to him, the government just got tired of waiting for it to appear. It was the failure in this area, when the USC was unable to submit elementary conceptual documents, led to the resignation of the former leadership of the corporation. Its new head, Vladimir Shmakov, promised to submit such a document to the Russian president in the near future. According to the Deputy Prime Minister, he can fully count on the support of the government in this work.

Such a document should not just have a beautiful name, but become a real “road map” of shipbuilding in Russia. Two most important elements should be included in the USC development strategy: defense and civil. It is impossible to break them. Only through cross-financing can the industry be raised. After all, the situation is different - there are GOZs, but there are no civil orders, but it happens the other way around. Dmitry Rogozin called for the use of civilian industry capacities when implementing large defense procurement contracts. Here we need a single managerial approach and a long-term vision of the situation. Moreover, such plans can and should be implemented in close cooperation and coordination with major consumers - Gazprom, Rosneft, Sovcomflot and fishing fleet.

It is possible that it will be necessary to revise the adopted federal programs, including the Federal Target Program “Development of civilian marine technology for 2009 – 2016 years” and “Development of the transport system of Russia for 2010 – 2015 years”, focusing on financing the thorough modernization of production facilities and building new shipyards. . As the Deputy Prime Minister noted, using the example of the shipyard of the Far Eastern Plant Zvezda, it is already clear that in order to meet the needs of Rosneft in the courts to work on the shelf, it is necessary to shift funding from the federal budget to the left - from 2016 to 2014 a year. The allocation of funds in limited quantities does not justify itself.

What to do

As practice shows, success is achieved not only due to proper cash flow. They, as already noted, recently sent to the destination in considerable quantities and regularly. The reason for the failures is the moral untidiness of individual leaders. Dmitry Rogozin accused the Far East of hiding information about the problems of the Zvezda plant. As a result, an order for the construction of an important facility was disrupted and delayed for 10 months.


Shipbuilding is of strategic importance to the country. Is it really incomprehensible to all, was it really difficult for some senior officials to bring information about the problems to the government? The Vice Prime Minister demanded to report directly on all the problems associated with production and construction. “We will find time to sort this out,” he said.

However, the degree of distrust is so great that Dmitry Rogozin ordered to install a video camera in the shops of the “Stars” to obtain objective information about the construction and repair of ships. Such a line will be connected to the situational center of the government. The vice-premier proposed doing this six months ago while visiting the factory. But then the management of the enterprise and the industry found a lot of reasons to block the implementation of this order. “Why is it impossible to establish an elementary communication line in the XXI century? - He turned to the directors with a question. - Or should we correct the situation for you? Officials who have lagged behind in the construction of the facility for 10 months, who have not responded to requests from the center and have actually been negligent should be punished. ”

In civil shipbuilding, it is necessary to eliminate the existing imbalance in the distribution of money from research works (R & D) to the modernization of production, construction of shipyards. The relevant order is being prepared. “There is a lot of research, a lot of papers, but there have never been any ships. Why? - asked Dmitry Rogozin. - Do we need research - of course, we need! But we cannot turn all the money that the state sends to shipbuilding into another paper stream of incomprehensible documents. We must end with this. "

The development strategy of the USC should also provide for the improvement of the corporate governance model of subsidiaries and affiliates. It is necessary to analyze the effectiveness of regional shipbuilding centers in the form of JSC. For this, the new head of the USC will be given all the necessary powers, including personnel.

The “roadmap” should include the possibility of a public-private partnership (PPP), laying it in attractive position for business. With such large-scale tasks facing the industry, the implementation of all programs only at the expense of the federal budget is impossible. This also applies to the state defense order. Moreover, there are no problems for the implementation of PPP in the implementation of the state defense order.

Special conversation - on the ships of the Navy, requiring repair. We must not wait for them to go to the dock, but order the replacement units in advance. To do this, it is necessary to carry out a preliminary inspection at sea Representatives of shipyards assigned to them should be on such ships. Moreover, the ship repair plan was presented by the Navy Headquarters and it is easy to calculate when and which ship will be up against the wall.

“This will be true outsourcing, about which Serdyukov talked a lot, but reduced everything to distribution of everything to private shops,” Dmitry Rogozin explained. “Real outsourcing is in constant joint cooperation of the army, navy and industry, changing their roles at different stages of the life cycle.”

When a ship is handed over to the fleet, this does not mean that the shipbuilding industry can forget about it. The industry must accompany him, including during exercises, to take readings and observations. And it is high time to establish such a dialogue. “We are one team,” the deputy prime minister said. “We should not break production ties, as it did before.”

Soon, many contracts concluded under Serdyukov with the tacit consent, unfortunately, of the previous board of directors of USC will be revised. The managers who were part of it are also fully responsible for nodding and cheating when concluding contracts at deliberately low prices. “You can, of course, beat the industry with a hammer on the head, but only then it will come out anyway,” said Dmitry Rogozin indignantly about pricing. “And what will close this deficit of funds now?”

This problem has been reported to the president, and at the end of July a serious discussion will take place on it. If necessary, an audit will be carried out, and an appeal to the Court of Accounts is prepared for all contracts: how real they are. This will contribute to the new flexible law on the GOZ, which will work from January 1 2014 of the year. In the meantime, we have to conclude: many of the signed contracts are defective.

The question of the shortage of professional personnel in connection with the sharp increase in the state defense order, primarily of highly skilled workers, and engineering and technical personnel, is becoming ever more acute. Dmitry Rogozin called for a bold search for them, including outside the Russian Federation. As an example, he cited the Ulyanovsk Aviastar aircraft factory, to which the first eight highly qualified young specialists from the Tashkent aircraft factory, our compatriots, arrived. They will be provided with an external Russian citizenship. The Vice Premier is ready to review the lists of such professionals by himself in order to resolve issues of citizenship with the President. He instructed the Ministry of Industry and Trade and the Ministry of Education and Science to submit proposals on this issue as soon as possible, providing for the training and retraining of personnel.

In the near future, the role of the Maritime Collegium at the Government of the Russian Federation will increase. The corresponding order is being prepared. The personal responsibility of managers for the strict observance of deadlines for the implementation of all decisions will be established.

In conclusion, Dmitry Rogozin said that the government would not tolerate a breakdown in the shipbuilding program. The country must prove to everyone that, despite the enormous problems that have occurred in shipbuilding in recent years, the industry is able to overcome them, relying on its potential and high professionalism.
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  1. Darkheir
    Darkheir 5 June 2013 19: 07
    +7
    I believe that our shipbuilding has several problems:
    1. The irresponsible management of enterprises for which repairing a ship is like sinking it. No matter how, the main thing to do.
    2. Outdated equipment and scientific base.
    3. Lack of modern shipyards.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 5 June 2013 19: 11
      +5
      Quote: DarkHeir
      2. Outdated equipment and scientific base.
      3. Lack of modern shipyards.

      I will continue!
      4. Lack of qualified personnel and sensible managers.
      5: A lag in electronics and the latest technology!
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 5 June 2013 20: 04
        +6
        And the last one is sabotage.
        1. d_trader
          d_trader 5 June 2013 21: 41
          +2
          I would say diversion.
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 6 June 2013 04: 11
          +3
          enter a "firing squad" article! wink
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 5 June 2013 20: 24
        +9
        Quote: Arberes
        I will continue!
        4. Lack of qualified personnel and sensible managers.
        5: A lag in electronics and the latest technology!

        All true.
        Today, at least in the civilian fleet, WELL VERY BIG PROBLEMS.
        SYSTEM CRISIS has matured in this area.
        1. The average age of vessels operating under the Russian flag exceeds 15 years.
        2. All vessels that are in demand on the transportation market have been sold to foreign shipowners, or transferred under a "convenient" flag, which deprives the country of deductions, both direct and indirect.
        3. There is not a SINGLE SHIPPING COMPANY left in the country with the participation of state capital, and, as a result, no control over the state of affairs in this industry. The Baltic Shipping Company, which consisted of over 300 modern ships, was "torn apart" in the blink of an eye at the turn of the 80s and 90s of the last century. Such "little things" as the Northern Sea Shipping Company are quietly in agony to this day. Murmansk Shipping Company is bankrupt.
        The fact that today plows the vast oceans under the Russian tricolor cannot be called a fleet.
        4. Naval personnel, who remember the precepts of Admiral Gorshkov, are finalizing their term: "The modern fleet is a triad - the navy, the civilian fleet and the fishing fleet."
        5. The coastal infrastructure is dilapidated and requires modernization.
        6. The vocational schools that trained ordinary personnel for the SSRZ and the fleet: welders, locksmiths, sailors, minders, dockers, crane operators, etc., went into oblivion. etc.
        Summary.
        From banknotes of ships, docks and schools can not be glued.
        It is necessary to appoint specialized, experienced specialists to the head of the USC and to leading positions, until they retire, or "have not moved to the churchyard."
        hi
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    2. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 5 June 2013 19: 54
      0
      Take a look. Listen, it’s just the point and it will become clear - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e00TPb9HmI&feature=player_detailpage
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 5 June 2013 20: 13
        0
        This is a joke.
    3. 755962
      755962 5 June 2013 20: 29
      +7
      Quote: DarkHeir
      Our shipbuilding has several problems:

      But the most important thing is FRAMES!
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 5 June 2013 20: 43
        +2
        Maybe our shipbuilding companies have enough money to chop? Maybe you should think about the country's defense capability? Could it be worth making serious decisions on rogues?
        Well, where have you seen this: "As an example, he cited the Aviastar Ulyanovsk aircraft plant, which was attended by the first eight highly qualified young specialists from the Tashkent aircraft plant - our compatriots. They will be provided with external Russian citizenship. resolve issues of citizenship with the president. " Maybe Rogozin himself needs to put on a helmet and pick up a hammer.
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 6 June 2013 05: 16
        0
        The authorities have forgotten not only this thesis "Cadres decide everything," but also "We have no irreplaceable people."
    4. Orik
      Orik 6 June 2013 00: 17
      +1
      The first point is the problem of the whole country. The level of management is unacceptably low, 20 percent of the norm.
    5. sanych your division
      sanych your division 6 June 2013 00: 21
      +1
      change something in your text and boldly apply to the whole mother of Russia ...
    6. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 June 2013 04: 07
      +3
      the problem is that in twenty years the main specialists have died or fled, try to find now a high-class turner or milling machine! They are not stupidly prepared anywhere! Vocational schools are underfunded, reduced, closed ... if a welder can be "made" out of almost anyone who has eyes, then the turner is a piece, and experience grows over the years. and the second-STEAL ...
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 5 June 2013 19: 19
    15
    I would also add one of the main problems is personnel training .. In the USSR, managers of factory enterprises, etc. went through the whole chain of professional growth and naturally knew production and were rooting for it .. (now snotty top managers buy-sell)
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  3. orff
    orff 5 June 2013 19: 20
    +8
    Here is the hallmark of a commercial and state-owned enterprise:
    some effectively build the production chain of their enterprise, while others need to be controlled, like a chantrap, through webcams
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 5 June 2013 22: 19
      +4
      Quote: orff
      Here is the hallmark of a commercial and state-owned enterprise:
      some effectively build the production chain of their enterprise,
      and others need, like chantrap, to control through webcams

      Appointing Leaders
      From among the stupid performers,
      Wait is not worth it from the hangers-on
      Great performance.
      hi
  4. Armata
    Armata 5 June 2013 19: 27
    +7
    But indicative. Today, Esaul posted an article how everything is cool with us, but in reality it turns out that production will increase if you put cameras. Nonsense is complete. I understand that cameras are cheaper than educating people and restoring respect for working professions. Damn solved the problem of the type again at low cost rams.
    1. sanych your division
      sanych your division 6 June 2013 00: 25
      +2
      and returning respect is easy. give people a decent salary and privileges and there will be no end. but this is possible in Russia only in relation to deputies.
  5. UFO
    UFO 5 June 2013 19: 32
    10
    Some time ago, there was an article about buying Finnish shipyards, so some of our chatologists raised such a howl on the site! "We will do everything ourselves, we will build it ourselves, no need to spend money, etc."! It is sad from such% of idiots among patriots. request
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  6. Stas
    Stas 5 June 2013 19: 51
    +7
    Damn, some kind of circus, put cameras, watch the work. Or maybe it would be better to introduce the directors' personal responsibility for the work done and ask them in full, right up to putting them in jail for theft and sabotage of work. In Bolshoy Kamen (Primorye, a closed town) in the 90s there was a plant "Red Vympel", and so this director, who successfully bankrupted him, was then transferred to another "Era" or the above-named "Star" (I don't remember exactly, I don't lie want,). To anyone interested, you can dig deeper into the Internet. And how will such a "owner" raise the plant? Even funny ... Hence, conclusions can be drawn. Who to ask that?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 June 2013 21: 22
      +3
      Quote: Stas
      it might be better to introduce the directors ’personal responsibility for the work done and ask them in full, up to and including landing in jail for theft and sabotage ...

      Finally, men with eggs come to the leadership of the state branches of mechanical engineering, (shipbuilding), who are able to ask the captains of the industry, who have grown fat from trips to the CANARY and nothing "doing" together with "not being responsible" for anything.
      The shipbuilders sadly revived Shmakov’s appointment to the USC. According to reviews, demanding, but how soon will figure out the specifics of shipbuilding. On the other hand, support from above is provided to him.
      So - "we'll see."
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 5 June 2013 22: 39
        +5
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        The shipbuilders sadly revived Shmakov’s appointment to the USC. According to reviews, demanding, but how soon will figure out the specifics of shipbuilding. On the other hand, support from above is provided to him.

        What to watch?
        Before setting tasks for the performers, management MUST KNOW what to talk about, what to ask for ...
        Putting Comrade Shmakov as head of the USC, the government wants answers, but not results.
  7. Delink
    Delink 5 June 2013 20: 25
    +3
    Yes, fools rule, but smart ones work. And when was it different?
  8. Melchakov
    Melchakov 5 June 2013 20: 31
    +1
    Any system, both capitalist and socialist, can be built to work for the good of the state. It is only necessary to approach wisely. Why in the West under capitalism there is no such nonsense. Because if you do something wrong and / or at the wrong time, then they will give you such lyuli that it will be cheaper to nationalize. This is the first. And the second is normal competition. It is possible to nationalize enterprises, but as they did trash, they will. Because monopolists. There were no private owners under the Union, but red directors appeared who also contributed to the collapse of the USSR, and then turned into managers .. Why did they buy lynxes, because AMZ did not make an intelligent armored car, but tigers. Ask the servants on these machines, they will tell you a lot of things. Why do our commandos prefer foreign trunks ... And all other problems, so, grind spit. If they want, they can work. And who wants only to cut money ...
  9. dizelniy
    dizelniy 5 June 2013 20: 35
    +3
    Most importantly, it seems to me that there has been a change of principles from service to profit at any cost at the state level. All the spells that, here, the ships and planes from the gates of the factories will go and swim in orderly rows - are shamanic spells. We need a development concept for the whole country, we need to start with ideology, if you want, a paradigm. Time is running out, you need to hurry while Syria is still fighting.
  10. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 5 June 2013 21: 01
    +3
    Well done Rogozin ..... as it should .... on a business boat rocking .... gives out to everyone who needs gingerbread, and who drives a whip .... and even some pissed rags. With him, the matter in the defense industry moved at a good pace .... we would have more such ministers ..... however we have such ministers .... they only need to be put in the right place ..... MDA clearly does not hold out
  11. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 5 June 2013 21: 45
    +5
    Undoubtedly, there are many problems. Fixed assets are outdated, there are no skilled workers, there are no normal competent engineers who can work with people, industry leaders are weak and not particularly qualified! An example of USC in the article is an eloquent confirmation of this. This is all the result of the government’s self-removal from industry leadership. It is naive to believe that the market itself will straighten everything out. Capitalists have long gone over to a “forecasting” system (the essence of planning at the level of state needs for specific types of products). And our reformer-democrats drowned in the liberal slops of capitalism, throwing with the water all the good that we have gained.
    Therefore, it seems to me it's time to return to the Soviet practice of receiving ships with weapons systems that passed state tests at sea, being installed on iron, and not on stands at the research institute. For example, during the construction of the Kiev takr, 49 systems and weapons systems were not adopted by the Navy from industry. During the BS, they were accepted, or comments were written on them. But refinement was on the ship. And the pros lived on the ship, replacing each other, until they brought the technology to mind. As a result, the time from the drawings to the acceptance by the state commission of a specific type of weapon was reduced 1,5 times.
    And here whole research institutes for years produce "projectors" and no one asks for it.
    Without an iron hand and personal demand, we will not see good luck. We will overwhelm GOZ 2020, how to respond to the challenges of the States and K *?
    Sad however! But hope dies with the fighters!
  12. fzr1000
    fzr1000 5 June 2013 21: 50
    +1
    It is necessary to build not only military vessels, but also commercial or fishing ones. This is also a production school. There is not enough capacity — to build a couple more shipyards at the World Cup and Far East. Yes, the Far East is subsidized and everything is expensive there, but you cannot measure everything with the ruble.
  13. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 5 June 2013 21: 51
    +3
    Rogozin sees our shipbuilding industry as ... a business. Either he is very stupid here, or ... What is such a business? That is, Rogozin has in mind - he gave money and a ship was built for him ?! I'm wildly sorry ...
    For such an approach, which is almost completely alien to our "big business", the staff needs others! How does it work now? The state gives money to "big business". The large 80-85% steals immediately. This is exactly what all our "large corporations" are geared towards. This "business" has no other personnel, capacities, people, knowledge and skills. Rogozin's demands that money should be built, these businessmen understood in the only way possible for them - that they are bad, carelessly registering theft. And they began to "work cleaner", hence a heap of incomprehensible, but terribly beautiful papers about research and development.
    Factory directors refuse to sign contracts? Actually, of course, our shipbuilders have some real specialists. These are the same masters who are vigilant so that the incomprehensible director does not live until evening. This is the first thing. Second. How will the shipbuilders fulfill the contracts? And by whom? The stolen 85% should have been invested in factories, not in foreign banks! And not now, but at least ten years ago. Because it is not enough to buy equipment. One must be able to apply it, and in truly large volumes it is not even engineering science, but engineering art.
    The construction of the scale of a warship strongly resembles the work of an orchestra, necessarily of the highest world level. That is, not only does a flutist with a diploma train fiercely every day, moreover, under the guidance of a musician of enormous magnitude. A musician and not an accountant! An accountant can manage musicians ... only they will lose their level in a matter of weeks, and most likely forever.
    There is nothing and no one, that's how it looks at the moment. And any attempts to revive the industry will impassably rest on the entire composition of "shipbuilding corporations". Because only a few engineers survived there, of the most conformists, but by chance. But their number is sixteen. Changing one financier to another is a strong move ... Papers will be issued not for research and development, but for "reconstruction". But they won't start building, it's impossible. The process should be managed by the Chief Designers, people of the scale of Tupolev and the Queen, in full strength and power. Yes, they were killed twenty years ago ...
    As far as I can tell, replacing the builders of things with zero painters has not so devoured only Gazprom. Because he, almost the only one, is building quite successfully now ...
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 6 June 2013 00: 32
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Rogozin sees our shipbuilding industry as ... a business. Either he is very stupid here, or ... What is such a business? That is, Rogozin has in mind - he gave money and a ship was built for him ?! I'm wildly sorry ...

      One hundred percent you are right, business will never build anything in our country, because the system itself is not built on patriotism, but on theft and robbery of the people.
  14. 77bor1973
    77bor1973 5 June 2013 21: 59
    0
    It seems to me that in vain all the shipyards united in the USC, they simply took and killed the main principle of capitalist production - competition! And then everyone forgot that after the Russo-Japanese War, the fleet was supported by donations from ordinary people, and which fleet in less than 10 years. Let's create joint-stock companies for the construction of modern ships, place orders where they can and can!
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 6 June 2013 00: 38
      +2
      Quote: 77bor1973
      77bor1973 RU Yesterday, 21:59

      It seems to me that in vain all the shipyards united in the USC, they simply took and killed the main principle of capitalist production - competition! And then everyone forgot that after the Russo-Japanese War, the fleet was supported by donations from ordinary people, and which fleet in less than 10 years. Let's create joint-stock companies for the construction of modern ships, place orders where they can and can!

      What competition, colonel, like a thief and a thief will compete in what. Defense construction should be strictly state-controlled under constant control. Imagine the Stalingrad Tractor, Uralvagonzavod, Magnitogorsk ZTM compete in 1941-1945. Design bureaus competed to improve TTD, but were not private.
  15. ilya63
    ilya63 5 June 2013 22: 15
    +8
    the whole thing is that the systemic crisis in our country is not in industries or some particular enterprises, the crisis is in the heads of the country's leadership, so they put cameras, etc. (you would think that the money is pressed by workers or engineers), the country as a whole (change of life priorities (not the main amount of money in life), the revival of culture, education (at least at the USSR level), articles with confiscation and execution, for those who have distinguished themselves, and embezzlers and corrupt officials simply chop their hands in frontal place, and it’s idle and showing on TV with Malakhov or some other talker, introducing personal responsibility of civil servants for their words, deeds and actions (promised, didn’t fulfill, answer, ran the plant, went bankrupt, compensate and answer, or let the family answer to the seventh generation)
  16. shamil
    shamil 5 June 2013 23: 03
    +1
    For example: At a large oil and gas field in the Krasnoyarsk Territory owned by Rosneft, there are cameras on the rigs along the entire rig and below it, aimed at the wellhead.
    Drilling work, online video of the process itself is transmitted to the head office in Moscow and everything works
    1. alexkross83
      alexkross83 5 June 2013 23: 19
      0
      Cameras with recording equipment must be installed in the offices of the bosses ... especially when the contract for the order is made ... because the fish rots from the head.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 6 June 2013 11: 58
      0
      On a normal camera set in order to control and improve the workflow. From the enterprises where the video is mounted, as a rule, immediately from somewhere, from 25 to 35 percent of the employees leave. After that, theft losses fall about 10 times. Gradually, workers begin to realize that cameras work for them against idlers. Because they stop rolling the usual idle patterns - where have you been? I was busy! With what? And in response - silence ...
      But such a picture is exclusively at enterprises where the owner is interested in the correct organization of production. For fans of the USSR, that is, government officials, I specially note - do you think there are at least one state enterprise among enterprises seriously concerned with optimizing their work processes? Right. Not a single one ...
      Rogozin's attempt to install video surveillance at the plant is a gesture of despair. He gives money, "shipbuilders" report to him - the work has started! The deadline comes - nothing, no money, no work. So he wants to control - he has transferred another billion, and has at least one person approached the slipway? It takes three days to organize this kind of video. But the army will have to protect the installers and the operating equipment. And to guard it properly, thoughtfully and seriously ...
  17. alexkross83
    alexkross83 5 June 2013 23: 17
    0
    Weaned to work ... especially without kickbacks .... but nothing, I think in the near future will force. Taburetkin also thought that Rogozin had been put in order for beauty and order.
  18. Cossack
    Cossack 5 June 2013 23: 43
    +5
    Rogozin is an ordinary balabol who does not have serious knowledge of anything, but "flies" here and there. You can't do anything with money alone. First of all, competent professional people are needed. Both engineers and rank-and-file personnel. And not just literate, but people In the 90s, the entire system of training personnel for the shipbuilding industry was killed. In the USSR, there were two shipbuilding institutes in Leningrad (LKI) and Nikolaev (NKI). The duration of study in these universities is 5.5 years. I graduated from NKI in 93. Of our total graduation, 8 people now work at the institute and a maximum of 8 in shipbuilding / ship repair. Those who worked at first at shipyards and shipyards then left because of total poverty. I think at LCI. the same thing happened. I want to note that these are not some polytechnic institutes of which, like uncut dogs, but serious specialized universities. Now there is only one shipbuilding institute in Russia. So count how many years it takes to learn and raise But if you can still learn it, then who will grow it by transferring your experience to him? There are almost no old people, and the 40-45-year-olds are gone, because there weren't any of them ...
    Well, I'll also tell you a story about research work. In September last year I was in Gelendzhik at the Hydroaviasalon-2012. Passing the Krylov Central Research Institute's stand, I saw their advertising booklet. Now it lies in front of me. I bring the cap completely. "Innovative projects of marine technology. Federal target program "Development of civil marine technology for 2009-2016". OKR "Development of technical proposals for the design (creation) of small and specialized scientific research vessels of a new generation to perform geophysical, environmental and other types of research." 3.5.2 Main Results: Developed conceptual project of a small seismic NIS-catamaran with limited draft, designed to perform seismic studies in shallow water ... "
    Everything seems to be cool and you need to rejoice fellow .Here is only one bad luck. I was engaged in this vessel on my diploma. The topic was "Complex of general ship systems of a geophysical catamaran, etc. ..." drawings) as a keepsake and the project number is written there, but it's too lazy to go after it) And it was in 1993 ... laughing .Here are such INNOVATIVE CONCEPTUAL projects now. Everything has been developed and calculated a long time ago ... it’s just not built. But now someone grabs the money for the development of the early 90s. I rummaged the Internet and found that 461 million were allocated for this project . rubles ... very little winked .
    Well, let it be at least that way ... The ship is good, but so far it can’t be born ... For more than 20 years.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 6 June 2013 12: 13
      +1
      That's right! What does the United Shipbuilding Corporation have? Skyscrapers in Moscow. Who "works" there? Kids of different big people. What are they doing? They are nothing, they only receive a salary (not a salary, they do not work, therefore they cannot EARN anything). And many more young people of both sexes, adapted as servants. They have the appropriate education (such as a manager, a management specialist), that is, professional licking.
      They also know how to look well and appropriate someone else's, because this is what the "management specialists" taught! The way to research and projects of engineers and scientists is closed to them. Not because they cannot get them, but because they will never be able to either reprint them or recognize the scanned. They have no vocabulary, or even a minimal understanding of what REAL shipbuilders wrote about in their projects. But the graduation project is enough for that. Well, that is, not to understand it, it's for nothing, but simply to crush it into pieces of paper, on the basis of which the "big people" will achieve the allocation of half a billion. And then they will draw a report ...
  19. shpuntik
    shpuntik 6 June 2013 00: 04
    +3
    Rogozin must know each director by sight, and they still hang out the deck. First Trotsenko, then another, today is the third. And so it is everywhere. Which cameras? He called the director to Moscow, on the carpet, questioned him, found out what was needed for production. He combed his bangs at last. If he steals, set the tax on him, take away the cooked and dismissal. One talking room, a concert. What the hell am I sorry?
    Directors as zits-chairmen change, but deputies remain. How can I put things in order if the fitter is listed on the documents in the brigade, but in fact the deputy is on duty at the dacha. beg. workshop, the stove is drowning.
    At the same time, the beginning shop periodically changes.
    Or they are inviting guest workers from Ukraine to build a submarine. Try to keep an eye on them, teach more, spend yes and show where to get the gasket. The quality is worse, after six months they left, not to ask.
    The firm firm is engaged in hiring migrant workers, there are also small offices at the shipyards, in which the same, former shipyard workers work. There is a cut inside the enterprise. And everyone benefits, everyone feels good.
  20. Marconi41
    Marconi41 6 June 2013 00: 20
    +2
    It is unlikely that anything will work out in the near future. Everything comes from the top. The heads of shipbuilding companies are already used to doing anyhow. They are also accustomed to tearing good money for their "anyhow". A simple example: the Russian CTP (seiner trawler refrigerated) and the ITF (fillet) Norwegian Sterkoder cost almost the same. But in Norway it is pleasant to walk at sea and the equipment is like on a spaceship (everything is convenient), and the CTP, as it was the last century, has remained. Or else: the latest Russian-made radars of the Horizon type (not bad) cost almost 2 times more than their Japanese counterparts (the difference in quality is in the Japanese side). So who will buy Ours if you can buy the best for the same money!
    Moral: but ...
  21. Marconi41
    Marconi41 6 June 2013 00: 31
    +2
    By the way, I had to take the ship from production in Yaroslavl. The plant is a shadow of the past. And prices are the thorns of the future. There was a bad residue from their work. They handed us the tug of the 68th year of development and since then there has not been the slightest modernization of the project. Even mounts for antennas of the last century (we do not need) and they made.
    Something has changed?!
  22. valokordin
    valokordin 6 June 2013 00: 41
    +3
    Quote: Marconi41
    Something has changed?!

    Have you not noticed? all notice that the bourgeoisie is the boss everywhere and it’s not patriotism that counts, but simple theft.
  23. ALEKS419
    ALEKS419 6 June 2013 01: 12
    +3
    [quote = shpuntik]Rogozin must know each director by sight, and they still hang out the deck. First Trotsenko, then another, today is the third. And so it is everywhere. Which cameras? He called the director to Moscow, on the carpet, questioned him, found out what was needed for production. He combed his bangs at last. If he steals, set the tax on him, take away the cooked and dismissal. One talking room, a concert. What the hell am I sorry?
    Directors as zits-chairmen change, but deputies remain. How can I put things in order if the fitter is listed on the documents in the brigade, but in fact the deputy is on duty at the dacha. beg. workshop, the stove is drowning.
    At the same time, the beginning shop periodically changes.
    Or they are inviting guest workers from Ukraine to build a submarine. Try to keep an eye on them, teach more, spend yes and show where to get the gasket. The quality is worse, after six months they left, not to ask.
    The firm firm is engaged in hiring migrant workers, there are also small offices at the shipyards, in which the same, former shipyard workers work. There is a cut inside the enterprise. And everyone benefits, everyone feels good.
    [/I would like to add to your statement. Do not dismiss the directors, but plant !!!! If you are for stepping on this post you should be fully responsible. You can’t manage to leave voluntarily. Let it seem cruel to many
  24. sandrmur76
    sandrmur76 6 June 2013 02: 01
    +2
    [quote = stalkerwalker] [quote = Arberes] Continue!
    4. Lack of qualified personnel and sensible managers.
    5.Lag in electronics and the latest technology! [/ Quote]
    All true.
    Today, at least in the civilian fleet, WELL VERY BIG PROBLEMS.
    SYSTEM CRISIS has matured in this area.
    1. The average age of vessels operating under the Russian flag exceeds 15 years.
    2. All vessels that are in demand on the transportation market have been sold to foreign shipowners, or transferred under a "convenient" flag, which deprives the country of deductions, both direct and indirect.
    3. There is not a SINGLE SHIPPING COMPANY left in the country with the participation of state capital, and, as a result, no control over the state of affairs in this industry. The Baltic Shipping Company, which consisted of over 300 modern ships, was "torn apart" in the blink of an eye at the turn of the 80s and 90s of the last century. Such "little things" as the Northern Sea Shipping Company are quietly in agony to this day. Murmansk Shipping Company is bankrupt.
    The fact that today plows the vast oceans under the Russian tricolor cannot be called a fleet.
    4. Naval personnel, who remember the precepts of Admiral Gorshkov, are finalizing their term: "The modern fleet is a triad - the navy, the civilian fleet and the fishing fleet."
    5. The coastal infrastructure is dilapidated and requires modernization.
    6. The vocational schools that trained ordinary personnel for the SSRZ and the fleet: welders, locksmiths, sailors, minders, dockers, crane operators, etc., went into oblivion. etc.
    Summary.
    Now parents tell their children (in order not to work for an uncle, study). For whom? For a lawyer, lawyer, programmer, etc. WHERE TO TAKE WELDED, LOCKSWEARERS, TOKARES. They already have a huge queue! It's all sad. They only trade and steal. am
    1. Stas
      Stas 6 June 2013 08: 15
      +2
      At the expense of prof. frames do not quite agree with you. Graduated from the Marine University. them. Nevelskoy in Vladik (they still give a good engineering education there). I stumbled, snorted, worked for 3 years in the Far Eastern shipping company for a penny. Then he worked for the Indians and Germans. There for some reason they pay good money for your professionalism and ask for the full program. A couple of years ago I wanted to go to the Zvezda shipyard to work. So they do not need specialists and they are not going to pay normal money for their work. And there are enough acquaintances, competent engineers, but they mostly work not in their homeland, but over the hill. Nobody needs them at home !!!
  25. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 6 June 2013 03: 43
    +1
    Of course, cadres are everything. Our "cadres" are ordinary mediocrities, like Serdyukov, they can only distribute money for their own benefit, and such are the majority at the helm of industry.