Military Review

Compact submachine gun PP-90

As gunsmiths say, the military laws of physics are not written, because so often you can meet the requirements for arms contrary to common sense. Our designers, almost always, managed to do the almost impossible and, if not completely satisfy all the requirements in their designs, then at least come close to them. A striking example is the PP-90 submachine gun, which is usually negative reviews. Nevertheless, this weapon is very interesting, and most importantly it fully complies with the requirements that were imposed on it.

This submachine gun was developed at the beginning of the 90s of the last century, it was then that a compact PP was required, which would not burden the shooter when worn with its weight or dimensions and would be ideally suited for concealed carry. It was decided to make the weapon collapsible, although many weapon companies had already pierced it without having achieved the distribution of such samples. They tried to make a folding submachine gun and decided to make Tula gunsmiths and ensured that the folded weapon didn’t even look like a weapon, although the sample was only a separate one, but it looked like a separate piece of PP. The appearance of the submachine gun is quite interesting. When folded, it is a millimeter 270 block, 90 wide, and 32 thick. From this block, literally in 3-4 seconds, you can expand a submachine gun with a length of 485 millimeters and a kilogram 1,8.

The sample automatics is built according to the scheme with a free shutter, fire is fired from the closed shutter, only the automatic one does not have a single fire. The rate of fire is equal to 600-800 shots per minute, so, in principle, keep track of used ammunition arrow simply. It is powered by a PP-90 submachine gun from detachable box magazines with a capacity of 30 9x18PM cartridges, PMM cartridges cannot be used. The effective range of the weapon does not exceed 50 meters, which is not supported by the best aiming devices and ergonomics of the submachine gun, however, a large effective range of firing is not required from such a sample.

The design of the weapon very much resembles a folding butterfly knife. When bringing a submachine gun into a state of combat, the block is decomposed into two parts: the receiver and the butt, the handle remains in the center, it is the receiver of the store. Unfortunately, the design of the weapon is such that it is impossible to store the submachine gun in the folded state with the magazine. Therefore, in order to start firing a weapon, you first need to expand it, insert a magazine, and raise the shutter, while at will you also need to raise aiming devices that have not the most rigid fixation, which affects the effectiveness of the fire from the weapon. It is on the sights cussing most often. Butt arms, by virtue of maintaining the compact size of the submachine gun in general, also turned out very short and a person who is well developed physically will be uncomfortable. Reliability of PP automation also raises many complaints, however, whatever one may say, and when the weapon folds and unfolds in different directions, the play of parts is inevitable, and therefore there will be problems with the work of the sample.

In general, the weapon turned out to be quite simple, and although you can’t put it in your pocket, you cannot deny that the designers managed to create a sample that is compact enough when folded. Naturally, this PP is not suitable for widespread distribution, the reason for this is the small effective range of the PP-90 and the long preparation time of the weapon for firing, and complaints about the operation of the weapon are also clearly not to the benefit of this submachine gun. Despite this, it is impossible to evaluate this weapon strictly negatively; you should not forget that this is a folding PP of compact dimensions, and this weapon is quite specific. But our compatriot is often easier to swear at the weapon, without taking into account the fact that this submachine gun is not a full-fledged sample, although they ask it as if it were an ordinary PP.
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  1. Fox
    Fox 5 June 2013 08: 41
    as I saw it, startled ... we had this squalor in service ... with them more SOBR soldiers suffered than from bandos in the 90s ... just squalor.
    1. mark1
      mark1 5 June 2013 10: 00
      It’s just not clear why they gave him to the SOBR men, these guys didn’t seem to have hidden weapons, the APS is the best and even better PPSh.
      1. datur
        datur 5 June 2013 20: 01
        [quote = mark1] It’s just not clear why they gave him to the SOBR men, these guys apparently didn’t have a hidden weapon, the APS was the best and even better PPSh - not PP-93, that was the thing !!!
        1. denisey
          denisey 7 June 2013 10: 21
          Quote: datur
          not PP-93 the thing was

          Firstly, it’s now being applied, and secondly, this PP is rather inconvenient, the store can be unfastened at the wrong time, the cocking process is specific and requires attention because under-cocking leads to a shot.
  2. avt
    avt 5 June 2013 09: 32
    Yeah, the Tulaks joked. laughing But it’s better to have a folding knife.
  3. Flying Dutchman
    Flying Dutchman 5 June 2013 09: 34
    I remember in movie star Robocop 2 there was something similar.
    1. Hon
      Hon 5 June 2013 09: 45
      Ares FMG was there. Under his influence, and created the PP-90
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 5 June 2013 13: 43
        This is not Ares FMG, but Dave Boatman's UC-M21 design
        M21, by the way, appeared in the movie "RoboCop 2".
        It is a fairly accurate copy of the Ares FMG software designed by Eugene Stoner.

        This is the M-21 software disguised as a mid-range portable radio 1980x

        And here it is - Ares FMG software
        1. Hon
          Hon 5 June 2013 15: 33
          Yes, I know they are simply identical, I decided to indicate the name Ares FMG since he was the first.
      2. luiswoo
        luiswoo 5 June 2013 18: 45
        If with a pen, it’s better as in Ghost in the Shell. True cases now almost no one wears. But it will look less suspicious than similar folding devices.
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 5 June 2013 19: 49
          Quote: luiswoo
          If with a pen, it’s better as in Ghost in the Shell.

          There is one more device with factory options for hidden wearing:
          NK MP-5K is designed specifically as a weapon of hidden wearing.

          And they developed a suitcase for him, you don’t even need to open it:
          you hold the suitcase by the handle, and at the moment of danger -
          You press with your index finger the trigger built into the handle.
          There’s no need to talk about special accuracy,
          but the barrage of the fan in the first second of danger will do its job.
  4. Akim
    Akim 5 June 2013 09: 48
    The CZ 65 Scorpion is more compact and reliable.
    1. Ch0sen1
      Ch0sen1 5 June 2013 16: 32
      There is also the Italian Spectrum M4, also a very compact machine, and even with forced barrel cooling smile
      By the way, a hint to Kirill, it would be nice to have an article about him winked
  5. Algor73
    Algor73 5 June 2013 09: 52
    Each weapon has its own application.
  6. saruman
    saruman 5 June 2013 09: 56
    Perhaps to create something worthwhile in this segment, Magpul Industries, a manufacturer of various gadgets, managed to. This weapon is based on the Glock-18 - FMG9.
    1. Mister X
      Mister X 5 June 2013 13: 12
      Demonstration of Magpul FMG-9 at ShotShow 2008.

      1. Argon
        Argon 5 June 2013 14: 19
        It’s great at work to take a look. With the store going, but interesting with the cartridge in the chamber can be worn assembled? There is room to develop the PP-90. And the fact that such a weapon is necessary, personally, I have no doubt. wink
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 5 June 2013 14: 54
          Quote: Argon
          It’s great to look at work.

          Except in the video. The thing with the prefix "special":
          production in small batches and not for everyone.

          Suitable for the protection of the first persons of the states, million Erov,
          as well as for special operations to free hostages in a limited space
          and a tool for the liquidators.

      2. Pimply
        Pimply 5 June 2013 16: 57
        Glock based? Not bad. In fact, they produce the box itself, in which the glock is placed.
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 5 June 2013 18: 05
          Quote: Pimply
          In fact, they produce the box itself, in which the glock is placed.

          Almost completely: using a barrel, trigger, shop ...
          And they are not mounted in their native frame (case) from Glock,
          and in a foldable box called "Magpul FMG-9".
          1. Argon
            Argon 5 June 2013 19: 46
            Thank you, I just had the video in mind, but it's not clear, right after the "layout" you can shoot without jerking anything. Although if the "Glock" shoots from a closed shutter? Then the idea is possible, enlighten. As far as I understood from "Glock" "barrel, casing-shutter. CM I think it is original because the handle" breaks "forward the kinematics should have one more" degree of freedom ".
            1. Aleks21
              Aleks21 5 June 2013 20: 30
              If the cartridge is in the chamber then I think it shoots without juggling. I do not understand, though the mechanism of debugging-debugging the store. Surely the pistol grip was cut like that in the front?
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            3. Mister X
              Mister X 5 June 2013 22: 19
              Do not count on accurate answers: I did not hold it in my hands,
              and even more so did not make out.
              My "exes" also asked to find out more about this machine,
              But the developer states that this is a "prototype" wink
              Although I think a small amount of FMG is already "in use".
              Rumor has it that Bushmaster will produce FMG9
              Quote: Argon
              Can I shoot right after the "layout"?

              When folded, the trunk of the product is located separately from the store:
              A piece of hollow pipe lying in parallel with the warhead.
              Assuming that the designers managed to implement
              sending the upper cartridge from the magazine to the barrel chamber
              (at the time of unfolding this “Transformer”),
              then you yourself answered your second question:
              Quote: Argon
              Although if the Glock shoots from a closed shutter

              Quote: Argon
              the handle "breaks" forward the kinematics must have one more "degree of freedom".
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              2. Mister X
                Mister X 5 June 2013 22: 22
                I’ll post some photos with the handle at an “unnatural” angle, and others that I managed to get.

                FMG9 is already making copies of Airsoft with might and main.
                I post a video with instructions for assembling such a device.
                Of course, we will not compare the toy and weapons,
                but I think that many decisions are not without similarity with the original.

  7. bazilio
    bazilio 5 June 2013 10: 33
    Interesting design. For a very limited range of tasks, namely, stealthily carry, prepare in advance and only then apply. Quickly open firing from it will not work. APS looks somehow more attractive and you can shoot from it faster.
  8. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 5 June 2013 10: 48
    Well, even if this PP was shot in the cinema, there would be more benefit in every way.
  9. Kars
    Kars 5 June 2013 10: 51
    In Robocop 2 there was something similar.
  10. Savva30
    Savva30 5 June 2013 11: 46
    Somehow I shot from PP-90, not a fountain, so scare ...
  11. Captain45
    Captain45 5 June 2013 11: 57
    Personal impressions: in the year 95 or 96, in addition to the standard PM, the PP-90 was also fixed. I do not know how, but I have no particular complaints about it, for an operative it is not a bad thing, the only drawback is that you cannot fold the cartridge sent into the chamber. firing contact, thank God, did not have to be used, but at the shooting range and the shooting range he shot well, the main thing is to aim, get used to it. It is very convenient when used in an apartment, in a car, in a train car for compactness. Accuracy at 50 meters is not bad. : "A lot of criticism is also caused by the reliability of the PP automation, after all, whatever one may say, but when the weapon is folded and unfolded in different directions, the backlash of the parts is inevitable, which means there will be problems with the operation of the sample," I can say, maybe because the PP was new from the factory, there were no special backlashes. On the contrary, it was necessary to make some efforts to unfold, but as a rule, the weapon was brought into a firing position before the arrest, since the location of the bolt carrier in the folding Xia butt does not contribute to quick cocking, but again, if I took it in my hands for the first time. You can train. As a means of fire support at short distances, in my opinion, is not bad, the roar of shots, a bunch of bullets, like peas from a bag, is impressive.
    1. the47th
      the47th 5 June 2013 13: 35
      Quote: Captain45
      PM secured another PP-90

      But why is it to people who do not need to secretly wear a PP? Apparently they fixed "what is, we will give it."
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 5 June 2013 14: 02
        Quote: the47th
        But why is it to people who do not need to secretly wear a PP? Apparently they fixed "what is, we will give it."

        No, according to the staff list, he was part of the capture group.
      2. Argon
        Argon 5 June 2013 14: 13
        In my opinion, it is clearly written in the commentary; he was an "opera" in the mid-90s from "brit" jeeps it happened and a PC was seized. Or do you think that "operas" do not need hidden wearing?
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 5 June 2013 14: 03
      I shot, I also liked it, the recoil is soft, at a distance of 25-30 meters they can "draw"!

      You are by chance not from the Urals, there were such operas at the operas of UR!
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 5 June 2013 14: 23
        Quote: neri73-r
        You are by chance not from the Urals, there were such operas at the operas of UR!

        At that time he lived in Orenburg.
  12. Ilya Mikhalych
    Ilya Mikhalych 5 June 2013 13: 09
    In my cool trunk, it looks like a UZI. Shoot the banks will come down.
  13. carbofo
    carbofo 5 June 2013 14: 23
    Gorgeous thing, just in case.
  14. alex-cn
    alex-cn 5 June 2013 14: 54
    at an exhibition in the emirates, sheikhs took him for a radio station, and when they gave IT to one of them, they write that he understood what they gave him and almost squealed with delight
  15. Mister X
    Mister X 5 June 2013 15: 41
    "Compact submachine gun PP-90"
    Author Karasik Kirill

    A small addition: the article was about the PP-90M model.

    It turns out that there is also a model PP-90М1:
    chambered for 9x19 Para, with auger magazine and a retractable butt.
    Fire modes: single and automatic. Perhaps the use of PBS.
  16. uzer 13
    uzer 13 5 June 2013 18: 39
    Designers of the PP90 managed to solve the problem and create their own model of compact weapons, not without influencing the process of foreign similar submachine guns. As they say in such cases, not being a masterpiece of design and ergonomics, the weapon is suitable for practical use. As we see, all such devices made on the basis of a conventional pistol, to which a couple of parts allowing automatic firing are added. The only difference is that the submachine gun has a butt, which allows you to keep the weapon on the aiming line when shooting in automatic fire mode. And which submachine gun will be more in demand - compact or awkward, but more convenient to use - should be decided by those for whom this weapon is a working tool.
  17. shurup
    shurup 5 June 2013 23: 23
    Something seems to me that a hunter with an ordinary shotgun, hidden under a quilted jacket, will get ahead of the huntsmen with PP-90 and, at the same distance of 50m, will make more holes in it.
  18. evgen2124
    evgen2124 5 June 2013 23: 42
    I had PP-90! there are more minuses than pluses, which by and large do not exist! so let's start! when cocking the shutter, don’t fold it after that you have to disconnect the store and do the shutter release! , correspondingly, the time for bringing a weapon to battle increases, which leads to a decrease in the effect of surprise as one of the trump cards of this weapon! and the last of the most important drawbacks is that when used frequently, the butt lock loosens and when fired, it may develop in tact between shots, which I have and it happened almost chopping off my thumb! plus there is only one! it is a show off before bandits! I don’t want to talk about aiming strips! Thank God that they don’t order it from us anymore!
  19. shpuntik
    shpuntik 6 June 2013 02: 06
    Suitable for truckers, carry under the seat.
    1. the47th
      the47th 7 June 2013 07: 27
      Something like APS or Glock-18C is better under the seat, they need significantly less time to prepare for shooting. Anyway, you can even carry AKS-74U secretly in a car.
      1. sub307
        sub307 8 June 2013 20: 08
        Though I am not quite "in the subject", so am I more likely, but I agree with you. Here is an example: "After the signal was given, the first two subgroups captured the first bow saloon and the captain's cabin. The second two - the central and aft saloons. The main targets of suppression were people with weapons or those who offered resistance. The entire operation to capture and destroy three" terrorists "took Seven seconds".
        We read: "From this block literally for 3-4 seconds you can expand the submachine gun ... "
        The numbers speak for themselves: 3-4 seconds is a "waste" of time.
  20. dustycat
    dustycat 25 June 2013 20: 54
    The thing is interesting, but very unfinished.
    And apparently the time of his birth explains his incompleteness.
    The designers were very afraid to meet him on the street with bandits.
    Although bring to mind - how nefig do.
    There would be a customer without a title and with money.
  21. lisiy prapor
    lisiy prapor 14 August 2013 13: 45
    Unfortunately, the design of the weapon is such that it is impossible to store the submachine gun when folded with the magazine.

    The author drives, fold and unfold the PP-90 possibly! ONLY! with a fastened shop. I somehow folded this device without a magazine, and when it was laid out, the pistol grip did not fall into place. In order to insert it into place later, it had a rather short relationship with the PP-90 (it drove dumb, by force). Do not ever fold the PP-90 without a magazine. And paraffin it in vain, very successful design.