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It's only the beginning

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Over the past two weeks, such a shaft of information fell on our heads - just "Mama, do not grieve!". And remarkably, there appeared a mass of very high-quality articles, but not those that were recently overloaded to the very water line by the Russian media - ANTI-Russian, but on the contrary - quite in the spirit of patriotism, understanding of today's Russian politics and defending a renewed sense of pride in their homeland, for yourself and for the Russian History! This is what is encouraging.


But poisonous and often limp stuffing continues and will continue. On that they and "throwings". And there are no longer those verbose, written with a confident hand at the prompting of sponsors from abroad, articles where the “truisms” were hammered into the heads of unfortunate Russians, that everything in the country is bad and is not subject to recovery. tips gentlemen democratizers.

An illustration of the understanding of who is who is the article of Maxim Kalashnikov, and most importantly, the comments of members of the forum! If, quite recently, Kalashnikov’s appeals and fantasies have found a quick response from many, now all his attempts to "... awaken the dormant self-consciousness of the ethnos ..." have broken into small splashes of rock with mature and worldly simple and wise comments. And it was perfectly noticed by many that the author of the article “Time of jesters and idiots” is not averse to playing on the strings of the human soul like Adolf Aloisovich with “his struggle”. But now it seems that the time of fake calls has passed, therefore Maxim was not able to piss off the reading people as he would like. Well, God bless him - with Maxim. I would like to draw attention to the two pairs of articles that flashed on the Internet data flow.

The first is a somewhat pessimistic article written in a feigned-sympathetic tone about flightless rockets, non-firing guns, etc. etc. In general - everything is familiar - about thinned "polymers". And it was written according to the patterns already tested and according to the usual method - to snatch some disastrous moments and on this basis to bomb everything to the bone. That is - everything that is done - everything is wrong and wasted. And many are willing to welcome such articles as constructive criticism. Absolutely legitimate and admissible failures in the creation of new weapons, which are rich in the history of not only our developments, but also all foreign ones, are absolutely not taken into account. Won states - have not yet installed their F-35 and all are fighting over the modifications of F-22 and - nothing - is perceived as a normal production process. Well, not yet learned how to print on 3-D printers the latest breakthrough weapons!

But, thank God, after her, a wonderful article by Alexei Volodin appeared explaining the simple truths that when creating something new or working out new methods during combat exercises, everything invariably goes through a period of failures and blunders. If there were no failures, then there would not have been the perfection that our DOMESTIC gunsmiths in arms development have achieved, guys. And the fact that the Russian weapon in many respects is perfection, without difficulty you can learn not only from the reviews of Russian experts, but also from the lips of foreign experts. And confirmation of this is an article that appeared a couple of weeks ago that Russia returned to the Mediterranean Sea with an unexpected result for the West. In this article, music for the Russian ear, words were made that Russian missiles are an “unsurpassed work of art”! A! What a! Much can be said about our other military production workers, guys. And our "Dry", "MIGs" and "Yak" - is not it an object of pride? And ours Tanks? You look, what exam they hold now in Syria! I really hope that the BREAKTHROUGH will also “breed” and will show itself. And the “ARMATU” that everyone is waiting for? With the painstaking and fundamental approach with which our gunsmiths cherish this long-awaited child, it gives reason to hope that a healthy and developed “butuze” will be born, which will make a rustle. But, this is the diocese of Zhenya MECHANIC. Here he knows immeasurably more than many on the forum.

This is not to be forgotten, guys, when we read the next “critical” article about “polymers”. I have nothing against normal, professional and constructive criticism, but I categorically disagree to hear whining about the fact that everything is fucked up. I enjoyed reading the comments on the forum on the forum - a pro who can be listened to with ever-increasing respect and gratitude and who creates, and does not carry a blizzard with a bold look, falling asleep to an inexperienced forumchan with a mass of specific abbreviations and not sprinkling ashes on his head.

The second pair of articles is no less noteworthy and concerns a topic of current importance today - the civil war in Syria and semi-intervention carried out by Western countries with the introduction of Qatar and Saudi Arabia. One of them said that Assad will leave when Russia wants it, which is absolutely true, guys. And this is not bragging, but a fact recognized by the states themselves. The article was published on the Israeli Internet resource “Ynetnews.com”, which can not be suspected of a hot love for Russia, especially in light of recent events around Russian supplies to Syria C-300 and the very content of the article, where is Russia's policy in the Syrian issue which epithets only she was not honored - both brazen, and uncompromising, and uncompromising, and menacing, and (which sounds like a compliment in general) - simple and brutal. So, this article unambiguously said that on the “chessboard of the Syrian party” (the epithet is mine. Patent), Russia managed to arrange all the pieces so that the policy of Israel itself and all its “democratic” sponsors is the rambling babble of a recruiting recruit in the face of a wise father commander. I will not retell the article, below everyone will see the link and those who wish will be read.

The second article from this pair somewhat lifted the veil of secrecy over the words voiced by one of our politicians that the option of Russia supplying the MOST NEWEST weapon systems to Syria, in addition to the widely discussed C-300 complex, is not excluded. The article was about the latest Russian cruise missile X-101 / X-102.

Here is an excerpt from this article: ... thanks to the work of Soviet, and now Russian scientists, we managed to create the best cruise missile in the world. At the moment, it is the crown of the evolution of this type of weapon. This is certainly a new strategic cruise missile - X-101 / X-102. The rocket perfectly combined the parameters of accuracy and range with a very high destructive power and versatility (I remind you that the X-101 is a missile with a non-nuclear warhead, and the X-102 have a BU). Work on it began in the 1984 year, but only after 11 years the rocket was created and tests and subsequent refinements began.

In this case, the most striking range of the rocket, which, according to some data, ranges from 5500 to 10 000 km. Other sources cite information that she can spend 10 hours in flight, which will allow her at a cruising speed of about 700 km / h to hit targets at a distance of almost 7000 km. Most likely, such a difference in figures can only be caused by ongoing improvements and a small amount of information from official sources about this product.

So, guys, there is a reason to be happy for our defense-industrial complex and to congratulate our specialists with another victory. And notice, guys, with the combat potential that Russia has today, it absolutely unequivocally and brutally (as the Israeli journalist noted) opposes the entire “democratic” leash and forces not only to reckon with itself, but also leads its party throughout the world politics. And if we take into account all the efforts that are now being made by the leadership of the country to strengthen the country's defense and economic development, all the funding allocated to the defense industry and all those measures to modernize production and training personnel, then perhaps we are on the verge of breakthrough discoveries and the development of our home-grown and big-headed creators of the future.

Good luck and hopes come true to all of us, colleagues.
Sincerely. ESAUL


Materials used:
http://perevodika.ru/articles/23003.html
http://www.pravda.ru/science/technolgies/28-05-2013/1157914-x_101_102-0/
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 5 June 2013 06: 56
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    on the contrary, it is in the spirit of patriotism, understanding of today's Russian policy and upholding a renewed sense of pride in the Motherland, for oneself and for Russian History! This is just encouraging.
    I read this and the first thought that came to my mind, but whether the author esaul what Scrolled and it’s for sure laughing
    Valera, I’ll soon begin to recognize you from the headlines bully
    1. ole
      ole 5 June 2013 07: 16
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I read this and the first thought that came to my mind, but whether the author didn’t know what.
      Valera, I’ll soon begin to recognize you from the headlines

      To the point.
    2. esaul
      5 June 2013 07: 27
      +8
      Greetings to all, colleagues. hi
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Valera, I’ll soon begin to recognize you from the headlines

      Sasha, you flattered me. It’s great that you recognize me by the title. And I’m glad that at least you “scrolled”, and not like some - “didn’t read”. wink
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 5 June 2013 07: 37
        +6
        Quote: esaul
        not as


        But in the end they read wink

        Valery hi
        1. esaul
          5 June 2013 07: 45
          +4
          Quote: Vanek
          But in the end they read

          Salute, Ivan hi This is good, land wink drinks
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 June 2013 07: 40
        +7
        Quote: esaul

        Sasha, you flattered me.

        I re-educate you wink
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 5 June 2013 07: 42
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I re-educate you

          Well you're cool good From politicians to monks what belay
        2. esaul
          5 June 2013 07: 47
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I re-educate you

          Sasha, flattery is a reprobate vice. Makarenko would not support you. wink
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 June 2013 08: 35
            +3
            Quote: esaul
            Makarenko would not support you.

            Makarenko would not have raised you wink
        3. esaul
          5 June 2013 17: 23
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I re-educate you

          Sasha, - no offense ... I remember Putin's words addressed to Western journalists - "They will be tortured to swallow dust ..."
      3. Russian
        Russian 5 June 2013 10: 44
        +7
        Valery, and what, for example, in the article "Maxim Kalashnikov: Time for Fools and Fools" is not true? Quite recently there was an article that the program "Evening Urgant" dedicated to Sasha Gray had a lot of people who wanted to get a photographer from her, and in Russia as a whole she was greeted with great joy! Who is she anyway? *** dy, *** dyu! Some fascist doctor wrote that when examining Soviet girls, he was very surprised when it turned out that many of them were chaste! After that he wrote that such a country cannot be defeated! Now what? There is only one debauchery, the number of abortions is simply off scale. Or another example, a Russian girl is walking, or a guy is not important, newcomers start to pester him, there are a lot of Russians around, someone will help? Join ?? Of course not! All are looking down at the floor. Are these not indicators of our moral and cultural heritage ?? So there is a lot of bitter truth in that article, maybe exaggerated, but no less bitter from this.
        So your
        broke into small splashes on a rock of mature and worldly simple and wise comments
        causes only laughter.
        1. smile
          smile 5 June 2013 14: 21
          +5
          Russian
          Hello. I will answer, okay?
          Negative changes in public consciousness are not denied. Choking is also a fact. But the main message of this article is time to riot, climb the barricades. The author calls us cattle only because we do not follow people like him. Everything else is secondary.
          If you compare his text with that which was sucked in to the peoples of the USSR in the 90s, you will not see any difference. You just need to replace the party apparatchiks with officials, the scoop with the Russian people. Union collapsed. And this was welcomed by millions of our fellow citizens — in the republics — almost half the population. In Russia, there were also not hundreds of thousands of them. Moreover, many believe this is still correct.
          If anyone has forgotten, it was then that the organized "passionaries" began mass seizures of weapons, which were immediately put into action ...
          Now, such as the author have embarked on the next stage, the collapse of Russia itself ... using proven technologies and not changing the text of their campaigns at all ... not changing at all. The suffering of degradation is intended only to attract the people to their side ... the recipe is offered one-barricades ... That is why the article is hypocritical, and the author is the enemy.
          Therefore, the comments of people conducting a second time on such propaganda do not cause laughter, but bitterness and understanding that 91 years can be repeated already on a Russian scale.
          1. esaul
            5 June 2013 14: 48
            0
            smile (2)

            Salute buddy hi fellow Hardly can answer better! Thank! good good drinks
            1. smile
              smile 5 June 2013 15: 03
              0
              esaul
              Greetings! Thank you for the article. And better, in my opinion, answered Avt (with a shark on the avatar) in the comments on the article itself, and a bunch of people, just here I accidentally turned out to be the first ... :)))))
              1. esaul
                5 June 2013 15: 21
                0
                Quote: smile
                Greetings! Thank you for the article

                Good to see you, buddy. drinks
                Quote: smile
                And better, in my opinion, answered Avt (with a shark on the avatar)

                ABT is a monster. His comments are fundamental, like FBS blocks - I respect laughing
          2. Russian
            Russian 5 June 2013 19: 18
            -1
            Hello, Vladimir! With what you wrote, I agree. But at the same time I want to ask a counter question then. The Russian population is declining rapidly, villages and towns are dying out, many industries are closed, the state more or less supports only factories related to armaments, there is a rather noticeable stream of immigration to our country, with clearly less educated and knowledgeable people and their birth rate is much higher, than ours, and all this of course goes along with incredible corruption that has hit almost all sectors. Thus, I have listed very serious problems for you. Which require an immediate solution, and instead the central channels say that everything is fine with us, the authorities say that wait a little while more and everything will definitely be corrected! We fight corruption, blah blah blah, but in reality the main thieves are still free, and the maximum punishment is an honorable dismissal.
            And finally, my question is, do you propose to continue to sit back and look at it all, guided by the phrase, is my hut from the edge? I live well, but what is happening in the country doesn’t matter to me, do I understand you correctly?
    3. Normal
      Normal 5 June 2013 14: 42
      +3
      I read this and the first thought ...


      I read the title of the article and the first thought; Is not Alexander Romanov the author of the first comment? Scrolled and for sure - he, Alexander Romanov. laughing
      1. esaul
        5 June 2013 15: 05
        -2
        Quote: Normal
        I read this and the first thought ...


        I read the title of the article and the first thought; Is not Alexander Romanov the author of the first comment? Scrolled and for sure - he, Alexander Romanov. laughing

        I do the same - I liked Romanov’s comment. I’m talking about the same thing ... laughing Plus to you .... laughing
    4. VAF
      VAF 5 June 2013 18: 57
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      , which occurred to me, but did the author


      Only Esaul could write, although the term asks for it .. "compose" fellow lock ends) about the supply of AKP X-101. well, and especially X-102 wassat
      Well this is how much you need to drink something recourse

      And who will be the carriers? They are planning with us, they are only planning the Tu-160 and Tu-95MS16, but what about the Syrians?
      Future MiG-29M / M2 or immediately on the T-72 .. "hook" fool

      Generally MINUS for unprofessionalism! soldier
      1. z-exit
        z-exit 6 June 2013 00: 43
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        Only Esaul could write, although the term asks for it .. "compose" (the stock then lok ends) about the supply of AKR X-101. well, and even more so X-102
        Well this is how much you need to drink something


        I join. I put a minus for the article. And in general, the author is the Tambov wolf for you "guy". hi
    5. Dilshat
      Dilshat 6 June 2013 04: 03
      +1
      All this, of course, is wonderful, but you should not relax. Now the target is our future is the youth and their brains. We have to deal with the pedophilic lobby. To put things in order in the Russian Internet (sites promoting suicide among children). Also, to figure it out with TNT. The game MetroLastLight was recently released. The game was released. talented, very good. BUT! Such a scenario of the game I have not seen even in American games and films. The creators of the game are the Russian company 4аgames. The age of those working in the company is probably no less than 30 (remembering the USSR). Communists in the game are represented worse than the Nazis. The scenario was written Dmitry Glukhovsky (the same demiurge as Pavel Lungin "Tsar"), but the rest in 4a games are Slavs! 4a games are you not ashamed? I think you should institute a new medal. M.S. Gorbachev's medal 1-2-3 degrees will suit you just fine ...
      And the younger generation still does not "trick". Discusses on the Internet playability, "artistic" value of the game and other game moments, but not this aspect.
      It is worth discussing this in a separate topic. Young people begin to believe in all of this. How they did their own. Theirs will not lie.
  2. Armata
    Armata 5 June 2013 07: 08
    22
    I welcome Valera. In the morning I charged a positivist.
    You are right about mistakes and miscalculations. The one who does nothing is not mistaken. The only thing I forgot to point out is that there are not only technical miscalculations, but also specific economic and political brakes in all sectors of the defense industry.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 5 June 2013 07: 31
      +6
      And if you also take into account that this is not just work (I mean development), but also confrontation - the fight against bureaucrats and Cossacks sent from beyond the hillock, then in general you understand that all our developments are being created with battle. As one of our motorist constructors (I don’t remember the name) said that we don’t need to "help", just don’t interfere, and then we will handle it ourselves!
      1. Armata
        Armata 5 June 2013 07: 41
        11
        Quote: Oleg147741
        if you take into account that this is not just a job (I mean developments), but also a confrontation - the fight against bureaucrats and Cossacks sent from behind the hill, then you generally understand that all our developments are created with a fight.
        It has always been. By the way, recently Tagil improved his own world record from 41 to 12, inclusively, 130 thousand tanks were released.
    2. igor67
      igor67 5 June 2013 07: 34
      +7
      Putin: S-300 air defense systems have not yet been delivered to Syria

      publication time: 15: 05
      last update: 15: 19





      Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday, June 4, that the contract for the supply of Syria S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems has not yet been implemented.

      - S-300 missile systems in the forests of Russia. Hunting Results

      "The contract was signed several years ago. It has not yet been implemented," Putin said on Tuesday at a press conference after the Russia-EU summit.

      "As for the S-300, this is indeed one of the best air defense systems in the world, if not the best. The best, probably. It is, of course, a serious weapon. We do not want to upset the balance in the region," the Interfax news agency quoted Putin as saying.

      "As for Russian supplies, let me remind you that Russian arms supplies to Syria are carried out on the basis of transparent internationally recognized contracts. They do not violate any international provisions. And they are carried out exclusively and entirely within the framework of international law," Putin said.

      This is the first public statement by the President of Russia regarding the supply of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 June 2013 07: 39
        10
        Quote: igor67
        Putin: S-300 air defense systems have not yet been delivered to Syria

        Hi Igor! Putin did not say that the C 300 was not delivered in Syria. He said that it was not implemented, but here it can be understood in different ways. The contract will be implemented when the delivery is complete. wink
        1. igor67
          igor67 5 June 2013 07: 50
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: igor67
          Putin: S-300 air defense systems have not yet been delivered to Syria

          Hi Igor! Putin did not say that the C 300 was not delivered in Syria. He said that it was not implemented, but here it can be understood in different ways. The contract will be implemented when the delivery is complete. wink

          And good health to you, San! The point of this comment is that finally the first person in Russia at least somehow commented on the situation with the c300, remember last week some speculation about the delivery of complexes, here on the website
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 June 2013 08: 36
            +9
            Quote: igor67
            the meaning of this comment is that finally, the first person of Russia at least somehow commented on the situation with s300

            The point is that Putin let the fog go even more than it did laughing
            1. igor67
              igor67 5 June 2013 09: 04
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: igor67
              the meaning of this comment is that finally, the first person of Russia at least somehow commented on the situation with s300

              The point is that Putin let the fog go even more than it did laughing

              I did not say yes my lord: you did not say no laughing politics does not change over the centuries
            2. sergey32
              sergey32 5 June 2013 09: 20
              +3
              My opinion, Putin shows that he allows a certain backlash. Under some conditions, Assad may not receive C300.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 5 June 2013 23: 41
                +1
                This situation is quite possible.
        2. esaul
          5 June 2013 07: 54
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The contract will be implemented when the delivery is complete.

          I will gladly support you. And then hasty and tendentious conclusions can completely distort reality. So during the speeches the Frenchman FABIUS blurted out - "Unas has proven evidence of the use of OV in several cases. And, at least, the involvement of official Damascus in ONE OF THEM" (!) And on the basis of ONE OF THEM, France demands to crush "vile and cruel mode". And the use of OV in all other cases by bandits from the opposition is a struggle for democracy.
        3. atalef
          atalef 5 June 2013 08: 01
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Igor! Putin did not say that C 300 was not delivered in Syria. He said that it was not implemented, but here it can be understood in different ways

          Hello, Sasha, Hello Igoryanich
          Putin generally spoke clearly yesterday. The contract has not been implemented, Russia will not deliver weapons that upset the balance of forces.
          in general, I wrote this last week. For which he was practically driven into the skull.
          GDP voiced what was generally understood. Now, of course, you can comment on the reasons for not delivering the s-300 to Syria, as well as Assad’s lies (and I think the forced comments of the GDP on this matter) - about the fact that the s-300 is already in Syria.
          As for the S-300 systems, this is indeed one of the best air defense systems in the world, probably the best. This, of course, is a serious weapon. We do not want to upset the balance in the region. The contract was signed several years ago. It has not yet been implemented, "Putin said on Tuesday at a press conference following the Russia-EU summit.

          RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/arab_riot/20130604/941285395.html#ixzz2VJM8bMfG

          Pay attention to - we do not want to upset the balance in the region, i.e. delivery is the desire to upset the balance. After such words, believe the s-300 will never go to Syria. Again, the words may be the same, but the reasons are different.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 June 2013 08: 38
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            . The contract has not been implemented, Russia will not deliver weapons that upset the balance of forces.

            Putin didn’t say this, but what it means is not implemented hi
            1. Tarpon
              Tarpon 5 June 2013 11: 42
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: atalef
              . The contract is not implemented, Russia will not post weapons upsetting the balance of power.

              Putin didn’t say this, but what it means is not implemented hi

              Putin said just that. But, it doesn’t absolutely follow from this that exactly the S-300 can upset this very balance.
          2. esaul
            5 June 2013 09: 01
            0
            Quote: atalef
            After such words, believe c-300 never gets into Syria.


            "The police will come - they will figure out who the slave is ..." (film "Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession")
          3. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 5 June 2013 12: 22
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            After such words, believe the s-300 will never go to Syria. Again, the words may be the same, but the reasons are different.


            Sooner rejoice. GDP does not go into your pocket, and the contract will have to be respected anyway.
            1. atalef
              atalef 5 June 2013 14: 45
              +3
              Quote: Geisenberg
              Sooner rejoice.

              Matt, no one is happy. It is still unknown why they are not delivering for real. They won’t tell the truth. Here, either Israel is more important than Syria or the fear that we will destroy them (as promised) and then the s-300 image will end with all that it implies. Nobody knows the truth, but the result is known. Syria will not receive s-300 and there was no talk of fulfilling the contract. (or provide a link)
              Quote: Geisenberg
              and the contract will have to be respected in any case.

              Absolutely not a fact. Contracts are sometimes canceled.
            2. esaul
              5 June 2013 15: 03
              -1
              Geisenberg (6)
              Salute, Demetrios hi
              Quote: Geisenberg
              GDP doesn’t go into your pocket

              Very true. In yesterday's issue of Novosti.ru, I liked the beginning of his answer to a question from a Western journalist about his position on the adoption of Russian children by same-sex couples in the West - "You know what, you got me with this question. I come to Germany - everyone is waving flags at protection of the same sex. Here - the same. " Something like this answered.
              Quote: Geisenberg
              and the contract will have to be respected in any case.

              And he has already convinced all Western politicians that his word and deed do not differ. That is why such hatred and envy of Western "leaders" towards him. As Pirmanov said - "He is the master of himself and his word, and Western leaders are just sixes running errands."
              So - we’ll be sure - the contract will be fulfilled. this is a guarantee of the security of Russia itself. And let the dogs bark ...
          4. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 5 June 2013 12: 25
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Pay attention to - we do not want to upset the balance in the region, i.e. delivery is the desire to upset the balance. After such words, believe the s-300 will never go to Syria

            Never say never (there was such a movie). And if the balance is upset?
            1. True
              True 5 June 2013 13: 45
              +4
              Is there a balance from there?
              1. esaul
                5 June 2013 15: 07
                -1
                Quote: True
                Is there a balance from there?

                KOSHER balance, Yuri. Greetings hi
            2. atalef
              atalef 5 June 2013 14: 47
              +2
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Never say never (there was such a movie). And if the balance is upset?

              I don’t think that the matter is in balance. We talked about this (in the news and not a single day). The meaning will complicate the work of the Air Force, Israel will not put up with this.
            3. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 5 June 2013 19: 47
              +1
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              And if the balance is upset?
              USA F-16 fighters and the Patriot battery in Jordan are the balance.
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          1. esaul
            5 June 2013 08: 22
            0
            goody
            Something I do not understand, colleagues, than someone did not please the post of Dmitry (goody). This is a humorous collage that does not offend anyone and is similar to appearing before. Or the offender suspected treason?
            An appeal to Vadim Smirnov - Vadim, I welcome and ask you to evaluate this removal - its objectivity and compliance with the rules.
            Sincerely. Valery.
        5. phantom359
          phantom359 5 June 2013 12: 01
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: igor67
          Putin: S-300 air defense systems have not yet been delivered to Syria

          Hi Igor! Putin did not say that the C 300 was not delivered in Syria. He said that it was not implemented, but here it can be understood in different ways. The contract will be implemented when the delivery is complete. wink

          I think so. what to put. The C300 is a defensive rather than offensive weapon, unlike the F16 in Israel and deployed by the Americans in Jordan. And if the Jews are not going to attack, then what are they so worried about, not the Iskanders are turning around.))
      2. mogus
        mogus 5 June 2013 10: 26
        +1
        hi
        The first message was from Lavrov: we are fulfilling contracts.
        Second from Assad: we have received.
        The third from Putin: neither yes nor no (not yet implemented - we read how: we wait and think).
        Someone of someone (politician) decided to troll ..?
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 June 2013 14: 54
          +2
          Quote: mogus
          The first message was from Lavrov: we are fulfilling contracts.

          He did not talk about the S-300, there was only a hint.
          Quote: mogus
          Second from Assad: we have received.

          I immediately wrote that Assad was lying. The chief of military intelligence (Israel) said unequivocally that Assad does not have a s-300, in the best case (if they receive orders to fulfill the contract today) in 2014.
          Quote: mogus
          Third from Putin: neither yes nor no (not yet implemented - read how: we wait and think

          Wash Putin said unequivocally - the contract is not implemented, we will not post weapons, so as not to upset the balance. (although what is the balance between us) I would say so ---- we will not supply the S-300, so as not to violate the overwhelming advantage of the IDF
          1. mogus
            mogus 5 June 2013 17: 27
            0
            not
            break the overwhelming
            IDF advantages

            And where does the Tsakhal? This game is for those who want to help the "oppositionists" by introducing external forces.
            PS "Vietnam", "Korea" - if there is a will ... We just help Assad finish off evil spirits, we interfere with the United States.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 5 June 2013 23: 43
              +1
              Moreover, the complexes can fall either into the hands of Hezbollah, or into the hands of Iran, as payment for the services that they provide. But nobody wants this, including Russia.
              1. mogus
                mogus 6 June 2013 03: 01
                +1
                Also an option. Assad does not pass, S-300 does not prosrat.
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    3. esaul
      5 June 2013 07: 43
      +3
      Mechanic

      Salute, Zhenya hi Thanks for the kind feedback.
      Quote: Mechanic
      but the economic and political brakes are specific in all sectors of the defense industry.

      I agree with you and to deny the presence of such "brakes" would be unforgivable stupidity. And the "hard, fruitful and holy" work of "identifying shortcomings" will be gladly undertaken by the guys who like to do it with or without reason. The main thing is to shout LOUDER like - "Putinoids and uryakalka have lost everything," and the shalman will come running. Amuses me in many of them (but not at all. Not at all!) that they easily judge what they have very vague ideas about. I repeat - I really liked Ustin’s dialogue with the VAF, when, at first, the usual gorlopansky cries of the VAF came down from Ustin’s reasonable and sensible answers. Man is engaged in BUSINESS, and not zvizt. I’ve been out of town for two weeks (work in the field), upon arrival I went to the site, looked briefly and got into this dialogue so successfully.
      And yours, sometimes not flattering for me, I read with respect, the words of a person who is just engaged in strengthening this very defense of the country. And emotions ... We are all people and sometimes judge on the basis of momentary impulses and insults. I was very pleased, at one time, with VITO. Opponent, but - thinking and correct. That's something just left the race. It's a pity. If you suddenly see a comment, friend of VITO - hello to you and all the best to you in life. And - most importantly - health and family well-being.
      Hello again, everyone. ESAUL drinks
      1. Armata
        Armata 5 June 2013 08: 29
        +7
        Quote: esaul
        And the "hard, fruitful and holy" work of "identifying shortcomings" will be gladly undertaken by the guys who like to do it with or without reason. The main thing is to shout LOUDER like - "Putinoids and uryakalka have lost everything," and the shalman will come running.
        An objective assessment of everything that happens comes from 2 sides. A simple example. Now they have rolled out the "Armata" from the shop, but it is good, but 1 and so far 2 and 3 have not come close. That is, they froze the fact that I spend my working time, and I still have projects that need to be pulled. Who is to blame for this?
        1. esaul
          5 June 2013 08: 38
          +1
          Quote: Mechanic
          An objective assessment of everything that happens is stacked up with 2 parties.

          Zhenya, doubt is the beginning of knowledge. Not my words, somewhere slammed.
          Quote: Mechanic
          Now they have rolled out the "Armata" from the shop, but it is good, but 1 and so far 2 and 3 are not to be seen.

          And this is not news. Remember what you wrote about Bulava. There were some connoisseurs that this is a banal cut of the dough and soon this topic will be pushed onto the shelf. Not pushed in. And "Borei" and "Yarsy" were not pushed in. And now - we are proud. I think that MO contractors, in the class of your weapons, do not stand in line. There is nowhere to go. A tank is needed. , I dream of finding a customer who would tell me - “Embody all your ideas and don’t count the money, I’ll pay.” Netuti, unfortunately. But you still have more or less. laughing
        2. Tarpon
          Tarpon 5 June 2013 11: 47
          +2
          Quote: Mechanic
          An objective assessment of everything that happens is formed from 2 sides. ...
          There are much more parties. Remember the philosophy of the 15 stones of the Ryoanji garden.
          1. smile
            smile 5 June 2013 14: 52
            +2
            Tarpon
            Well, someone for your excessive addiction to Zen minus rolled in ... :)))
            And the fifteenth stone, hto, do you think? :)))
            1. esaul
              5 June 2013 15: 13
              +4
              MEN !!! Just appeared in the Infa News - El Qusair - taken !!! All this 50 000 pack is destroyed.
              Here is the answer to the statement
              Quote: atalef
              Israel will not put up with this.
              Iris smiles. And they will continue to smile. How the entire Western politic elite "defended" the gopots in El Qusayr ... But don't care - there is an enemy and it must be destroyed. good
              1. atalef
                atalef 5 June 2013 18: 47
                +2
                Quote: esaul
                Iris smiles. And they will continue to smile. How the entire Western politically elite "defended" the gopots in El Quseir

                Israel doesn’t give a damn about this gopota in El Quseir just like you.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 5 June 2013 23: 45
                +1
                Yeah. And in parallel there were reports that only part of the city was taken, and in fact, everything is not so rosy, the battles continue. How many times have they claimed the capture of Aleppo? So we will wait and see.
            2. esaul
              5 June 2013 15: 25
              -1
              Quote: smile
              hto

              good wink laughing
      2. VAF
        VAF 5 June 2013 19: 07
        +5
        Quote: esaul
        at first, the habitually gorlopansky cries of the VAF came down from Ustin's reasonable and sensible answers.


        You're lying like Trotsky ... rather, as a political officer! negative

        Do you measure my conversation with Ustin for yourself? As you write yourself ... "..... swallow the dust"!

        well .. finished angry
  3. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 5 June 2013 07: 18
    +3
    from the Don.
    Well done, Esaul! Good article. I think that Russia never: lowered its wings: as some characters want it. The world’s skating rink is rolling. And this light skating rink can stop our bright heads in the defense creating new weapons. Well and not the one who does nothing is mistaken!
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 08: 01
      +1
      borisjdin1957

      Greetings colleague hi I thank you for your kind words, and especially for your kind words about those who managed not to squander, but also to increase the preserved heritage and preserve the shield of the Motherland.
      And the fact that the Russian Land has not become scarce with bright little heads is a soul-warming truth. At the recent world intellectoliad, our young "botanists" shod the entire young world elite, including the Chinese. I don't take into account the American ones - these have not been competitors for a long time.
    2. Tarpon
      Tarpon 5 June 2013 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from the Don.
      Well done, Yesaul! Good article. I, I think, that Russia never: lowered its wings ...

      +1
      Only forward, no matter what, and against all odds.
      1. esaul
        5 June 2013 15: 29
        0
        Quote: Tarpon
        Only forward, no matter what, and against all odds.

        Salute, Sergey! hi This is how it should be with us. Without whining and whining. Plus, a colleague. drinks
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 June 2013 07: 19
    +2
    In this article, music for the Russian ear, words were made that Russian missiles are an “unsurpassed work of art”! BUT! What a! Much can be said about our other military production workers, guys. And our "Dry", "MIGs" and "Yak" - is not it an object of pride? And our tanks? You look, what exam they hold now in Syria! I really hope that the BREAKTHROUGH will also “breed” and will still show itself. And the “ARMATU” that everyone is waiting for?


    Always OUR weapon, in OUR hands was, is and will be the SWORD that defeats all who risked to go to war with us!
    And let everyone remember this.
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 08: 04
      -2
      Quote: aszzz888
      And let everyone remember this.

      Salute, Sheriff hi That's just the memory they are friend-to-friend, apparently, squeezed out through the anal holes (what can you say - buggers request ) They periodically forget about it and they have to hammer it constantly with a soldier’s boot. Now - the berets soldier
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 5 June 2013 13: 58
        0
        Hi Valery! I agree completely, hammered the berets to the knee. soldier I wonder who minus?
  5. kenvas
    kenvas 5 June 2013 07: 29
    +3
    I don’t know how anyone, but I think that it’s really getting better in Russia! After the labeled one who ruined the greatest country and sold to everyone and everything for a penny EBNom, I see no other politician who could have done as much GDP to raise the country ... Yes, not everything is smooth and not everything is fast, but the process is going on! coming! and again began to reckon with Russia and somewhere to be afraid! and the number of military equipment purchased from Russia speaks for itself! There are Minds in Russia and there are Masters, there are Patriots! And all these crap and liberals will find their way and get what they deserve! I believe that Russia is that country that continues to stand on guard of Peace on Earth and will never allow the United States of America to become a world executioner and turn the world into a prison!
  6. fenix57
    fenix57 5 June 2013 07: 30
    +3
    Greetings, Valery. "... Russian supplies to Syria of the LATEST weapons systems, in addition to the widely discussed S-300 complex. The article was about the newest Russian cruise missile X-101 / X-102 ..." - the Israeli leadership, sorry, "bear disease "toil about the S-300, and here it is for them CARAUL !!! Although" paper "is a shaft, use:
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 08: 10
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      Greetings, Valery

      Salute, namesake hi
      Quote: fenix57
      ... "- forgive the leadership of Israel," bear sickness "toil about the S-300, and here and absolutely for them CARAUL !!!

      Well, these are the problems of the Israelites. And it’s not a fact that it was about the supply of these missiles. In his speech, the politician said about the supply of the NEWEST “high-tech” WEAPON, and about which one - apparently, it’s not supposed to talk about the status.
    2. atalef
      atalef 5 June 2013 14: 57
      +3
      Quote: fenix57
      The article was about the latest Russian cruise missile X-101 / X-102 ..


      in more detail, with a reference. A cruise missile is an offensive weapon. Russia definitely will not supply. Do not mislead the people.
      1. esaul
        5 June 2013 15: 36
        0
        Quote: atalef
        in more detail, with a reference.

        Alexander, much more detailed. The link is indicated under the article. recourse

        "A cruise missile is an offensive weapon. Russia will definitely not supply"

        "Health magazine says so - nerve cells are not restored ..." (film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes Profession"). This is what I mean. Moreover, Shoigu has unequivocally stated that by lifting its embargo on arms supplies to Syria, the West will remove all restrictions from Russia on early agreements on the supply of arms by Russia to Assad.
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 June 2013 22: 01
          +1
          Quote: esaul
          This is me - why. Moreover, Shoigu unequivocally stated that by lifting its embargo on arms supplies to Syria, the West removes from Russia all restrictions on early agreements on the supply of arms to Russia by Assad.

          Valery, you probably forgot who rules the ball, neither Shoigu, nor Livrov, nor Medvedev or Rogozin. That's when Putin will say, set. We will supply or will not. it will be so.
  7. Borat
    Borat 5 June 2013 07: 30
    12
    Dear ESAUL, unfortunately you did not mention in the article how the missile will be delivered to Syria: complete with strategic missile carriers Tu-95 and Tu160 or will it be converted to ground based specifically for Assad?
    Suspicions torment that the article you were inspired with carries incorrect information. request
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 08: 16
      +1
      Borat

      Borat, I welcome you. hi The article is correct to the limit. If you follow the link, you will see that there is no question of deliveries of precisely these missiles, but the fact that they are intended for launches from aircraft carriers speaks in favor of the fact that you already know something about these missiles. And I mentioned these missiles as one of the possible options. The fact that I linked the two articles was intended to prove that Russia, in addition to C-300, has something no less serious in the coffin. After all, it’s not without reason that the NHS issued a statement that Russia is capable of neutralizing the American missile defense. The article also took place in VO.
      Sincerely. Valery.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 June 2013 22: 05
        0
        Quote: esaul
        The fact that I linked the two articles was aimed at proving that Russia, in addition to the S-300, has something no less serious in the storeroom

        Well, that is, who doubts. Only from you to you, the road is long. Assad must remember this. Syria is one of the poles in this world (for Russia) and far from the only one. And attraction from everyone and everyone pulls and everyone is important, if you stick to one, you lose the others. Politics is not a simple thing and the shortest way is usually not direct.
  8. kind
    kind 5 June 2013 07: 31
    +4
    I agree with Esaul, in many articles about armament they write frank heresy. Our country has something to be proud of! Prospective development of the military-industrial complex in Russia will be enough for many more years.
    Screaming to the gorlopans that we are eating through the legacy of the USSR, I want to say, Russia is precisely the heir to the USSR, because reserved for itself to be his successor, and for me, in particular, these concepts are inseparable. None of the remaining 14 republics helped us in paying off the external debt of the USSR. It turns out that they ate together, but pays one. Let the West still say thank you for the return of debts. It was possible not to pay anything at all, as was the case with the debts of tsarist Russia.
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 16: 22
      -1
      Quote: Good
      I agree with Esaul, in many articles about armament write frank heresy

      Vyacheslav, welcome hi and thank you for the good word. drinks
  9. Komodo
    Komodo 5 June 2013 07: 50
    +2
    I am joining, except that EVGENY FEDOROV would finally tell some good news.
    It would be generally wonderful. And then after his positive video zero. Or someone finally sent a refutation to his vision of the situation in Russia.
    1. sincman
      sincman 5 June 2013 10: 19
      +2
      Quote: Komodo
      here would still Eugene Fyodorov finally reported some good news.
      It would be generally wonderful. And then after his positive video is zero.

      He is only a herald of the real state of affairs and only. At the same time, he points to the direction of our common potential activity! And the good news is up to us to create. Especially since extra effort is not required. It is enough for every sane person to declare their support for the People’s Liberation Movement at future rallies so that the patriots from power, seeing our support could spread their wings and cleanse the country without looking back to the west! Even now it is very important to disseminate this information among relatives and friends. So that as many as possible adequate and active people are imbued with this vitally important issue now!

      And at the expense of the refutation ... So the media controlled by the West quickly cook it up for you. You can not even doubt ... Do we just need this ?! That is the question!
      1. sincman
        sincman 5 June 2013 10: 35
        0
        Minus set and where are the arguments ?! Weak with anonymous arguments?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 5 June 2013 11: 01
          +1
          Quote: sincman
          Minus set and where are the arguments ?! Weak with anonymous arguments?

          I set the second minus. Rallies, revolutions, riots, took place. A pretty hackneyed phrase (approximately to the text): noble people conceive revolutions, carry out fanatics, and scoundrels use their fruits. And then what? We stir up Syria? So far, the State Department experts have not lost their grip after the Arab seasons? Do not need these calls, patriots from the government (if any) must, without calls, engage in cleaning up the country from filth.
          1. sincman
            sincman 5 June 2013 11: 26
            +3
            Quote: Vladimirets
            A pretty hackneyed phrase (approximately to the text): noble people conceive revolutions, carry out fanatics, and scoundrels use their fruits. And then what? We stir up Syria?

            I understand where you drive, not d.u.r.a.k.
            RALLIES (I focus on this), and not revolutions and riots, because they are different! What did you dislike about the Sparrow Hills rally on December 24, 2011? And what do you dislike about the mass rallies in support of Bashar al-Assad taking place in Syria ?! The people there clearly declare their support for the president. And this inspires fighters to fight with enemies. they feel the support of the people.
            You probably don’t fully understand what it’s all about. It's about a conscious choice of the civil position of each person, and not the spontaneous riot of the crowd.
          2. sincman
            sincman 5 June 2013 11: 51
            0
            Carefully review the 3rd hour of the conversation and you will understand what I'm talking about
  10. Guun
    Guun 5 June 2013 07: 54
    +3
    Quickly would have adopted the X-101 / X-102. Peace is guaranteed, and the Democrats will not climb to us. Stable Russia - stable Kazakhstan.
    1. smile
      smile 5 June 2013 15: 08
      +1
      Guun (1
      Well, of course, the adoption of these missiles cannot guarantee anything ... but for:
      "Stable Russia - Stable Kazakhstan" +++++++++ :)))))
  11. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 5 June 2013 07: 54
    +5
    It is unlikely that there will be excellent students where they immediately solve any problem and do not have a single two or three. Only he who does nothing is not mistaken. Article plus.
  12. valokordin
    valokordin 5 June 2013 07: 57
    +2
    Yesaul liked the article, but the article does not show criticism of the existing system, which was erected on the foundation of exploitation by the capitalists of simple working people, including smart heads in the military-industrial complex.
    1. smile
      smile 5 June 2013 15: 24
      +2
      valokordin (
      In my opinion, there is enough criticism in other articles. This is just the answer to them. And to write a voluminous work with coverage of both positive and negative factors, probably, the format does not allow. I believe Esaul, like all of us, is well aware that not everything is alright in the Danish kingdom. But not everything in it is bad. The article is just about that.
    2. esaul
      5 June 2013 15: 46
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      Yesaul’s article was pleasant, but the article doesn’t show criticism of the existing system,

      Volodya, welcome. No offense - these your words inevitably remind Kartsev's interlude about a meeting at a distillery. “And what will the head of the garage tell us?” - the director of the enterprise, who has swallowed cognac, asks. And after the head of the garage (who had swallowed no less than the head) talked about the man-hours for half an hour, he again asks with impenetrable imperturbability - “Okay ... Now, what will our head of the garage tell us about the work of his department .. .? "
  13. valokordin
    valokordin 5 June 2013 08: 02
    +2
    The fact that the S-300 complex was not delivered to Assad, is additional evidence of the presence of bargaining with Nadovtsy about Syria, instead of real deliveries. And the money has been paid, and this is not fair on the part of the Russian authorities.
    1. Komodo
      Komodo 5 June 2013 08: 12
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      The fact that the S-300 complex was not delivered to Assad, is additional evidence of the presence of bargaining with Nadovtsy about Syria, instead of real deliveries. And the money has been paid, and this is not fair on the part of the Russian authorities.

      VVP said, literally: "the contract has not been fulfilled."
      In the sense, half of the complexes are already there, but to the end: "the contract has not been fulfilled."
      Terribly complex this diplomatic language. laughing
      Greetings, ESAUL !!
      1. esaul
        5 June 2013 15: 57
        -2
        Quote: Komodo
        Greetings, ESAUL !!

        Greetings Roman hi
        Quote: Komodo
        VVP said, literally: "the contract has not been fulfilled." In the sense. Until the end. So far. In the sense, half of the complexes are already there, but until the end: "The contract has not been fulfilled." This is terribly complicated diplomatic language

        Said on 100500! As a rule, all their ideas are hidden behind the diplomatic verbal fog, and no one can guarantee that there are no complexes (even at least) in Syria? The squeal of the West is mainly from impotence. good
  14. goody
    goody 5 June 2013 08: 16
    +5
    And if Putin meant this alignment ...
  15. andrei332809
    andrei332809 5 June 2013 08: 22
    +2
    U. Esaul.
    the article is good, but there are not many rainbow colors. yes, we’ll get out slowly, but there are still many obstacles. and most of them in our own country, mainly in the person of bureaucrats (and to them I include the vast majority of heads of defense enterprises (I saw this kitchen from the inside).
    With all respect, Andrew
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 08: 30
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      slowly get out, but still obstacles oh how many

      Greetings Andrew hi Who argues that there are no problems? They will always be and they need to be addressed. And the one who looks into the future and stomps the legs can decide. And stomping feet - under the force of optimism. wink drinks Optimists are the driving force behind progress. Find at least one statement that the pessimist creates history. But utterances are concentrated wisdom, living and knowing. And in the Bible, despondency is a grave sin.
      Sincerely. Valery.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 5 June 2013 08: 39
        +2
        Quote: esaul
        Optimists are the driving force

        in fact of the matter. he himself worked for the defense industry. spat on the bosses, on, let's say, stupid designers. you call an adequate constructor-mammoth and say, this will be better, faster and more reliable. and the constructor answers, do it, I will then "sketch" from nature and make changes to the cd. and then for arbitrariness from the authorities on the cap, on the cap
        1. esaul
          5 June 2013 08: 59
          -2
          you call an adequate constructor-mammoth and say, this will be better, faster and more reliable. and the constructor replies, do it, then I will "sketch" from nature and make changes to the cd. and then for arbitrariness from the authorities on the cap, on the cap

          laughing Andrei, I came across such a similar phenomenon, back in the Union, in production. One to one. There was only one foreman at the enterprise - a brainy man. And so, in the manufacture of non-standard equipment, they could not do anything by the handwriting of designers. He spat on all this bedlam, drove them all away, spent three days brainstorming and did it. These unfortunate designers then licked everything and gave it away, as if it were a development. So, my friend - nothing new in the sublunar world. laughing
        2. Armata
          Armata 5 June 2013 09: 11
          +4
          Quote: andrei332809
          in fact of the matter. he worked for the defense industry. spit on the authorities, on, say, stupid designers. you call an adequate mammoth constructor and you say, that’s how it will be better, faster and more reliable.
          And if several KBs worked on the project and the copyright was fixed?
  16. Normal
    Normal 5 June 2013 08: 38
    +4
    Bursts of rainbow optimism resemble slaps on the water ...
    Optimism is certainly good. Especially optimistic justified. As the saying goes, God forbid!
    But how did the hysterics of the pro-Putin propagandists about the "all-pro-salipolymers" get their hands on? They themselves came up with a stupid statement, and now, in response to any criticism of the authorities, friendly rituals, antics and leaps begin. Corruption? - the insinuations of the belolentochnikov !, selectivity of the law? - let's not rush !!, the collapse of the education and health care systems, failure in the development, production and supply of new weapons to the troops - all pro-salipolymers !!!
    Now any development by Soviet designers of the last century is declared a masterpiece, the best weapon in the world, even if this weapon has never been used in real life. Not only that, they are already talking about the possibility of delivering a strategic cruise missile to Syria, and of course this missile is the best and most advanced cruise missile of all missiles in the world.
    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 08: 48
      +1
      Normal (1)

      Greetings Vladimir hi

      Bursts of rosy optimism resemble flip flops ... "

      The foreign tourist speaks beautifully ... "(film" Ivan Vasilievich ...) I liked the same, Volodya. Therefore, I put a plus. But, for me, it is better to clap your palms in the water in order to swim out, and not fold the arms, with a top - to the bottom. This is how I live. hi
      And you are not right about polymers - a rather powerful and caustic phrase. That's why it hurts the anti-Putin propagandists.
      And from Soviet developments we are slowly moving away. It’s just more convenient for you not to notice. So - URA! fellow
    2. urzul
      urzul 5 June 2013 14: 45
      +4
      Good afternoon, Vladimir, what an attempt to offend your "Urya" !? about "vseprosralipolymers" certainly too much, but what does the collapse of education mean !? 10 years ago, some geniuses left schools? or could students do science?
      About the development of designers, of course, a strong move, but that Russia needs to abandon everything old and bury the heritage under the cover of the coffin? A lot of that was hurt, it was greatly changed, because it is no secret that the hardware, production and material base have changed since then.
      You know the answers to these questions, do not try to play on feelings.
      1. esaul
        5 June 2013 15: 59
        -2
        urzul
        Andrey, welcome! hi You haven't been in a long time. Or I just missed out on my running leg. Glad to see you, colleague. hi laughing
        1. urzul
          urzul 5 June 2013 16: 42
          +1
          Greetings Valera! Yes, all household chores, but the work did not even give rest.
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      2. Normal
        Normal 5 June 2013 19: 07
        +2
        Quote: urzul
        Greetings Vladimir

        Greetings, Valery
        Quote: urzul
        Good afternoon, Vladimir

        Good evening, Andrey
        Quote: esaul
        I liked the same, Volodya. Therefore, I put a plus

        Alas, the words are not mine. This is from A. Laertsky's song "Lateral Triangle" If you cite the entire phrase in its entirety, then most likely you will not like it. I will not like it very much.

        Quote: esaul
        And from Soviet developments we are slowly moving away.

        I don’t think it’s good. Even more; I don't think so
        Quote: urzul
        It’s just more convenient for you not to notice.


        Why do you think so? I am always ready to gladly accept positive developments in the field of production, defense or science. But only when it is REALITY, and not an attempt to pass off wishful thinking and a way to promote.
        Quote: urzul
        what an attempt to offend your "Urya" !?

        Well, what is this insult? Here it is:
        Quote: esaul
        So - URA!

        Quote: urzul
        Do not try to play on the senses.
        Well, why? Valery played the whole article only on feelings, but I can’t? Here you are;
        Quote: esaul

        You are wrong - a powerful enough and caustic phrase.


        This is about "vseprosralipolymers" I want to say right away that although I do not have the appropriate education and is tongue-tied, I have enough ability to come up with a "weighty and caustic phrase" in response. Do not be offended.

        Quote: esaul
        That's why it hurts the anti-Putin propagandists.


        I assure you that there will be something to hurt the pro-Putin propagandists.

        Quote: urzul
        What does the collapse of education mean !? 10 years ago some geniuses left schools? or could students do science?

        In order not to go into details (and there are a lot of them) I will answer briefly - USE! Or maybe you think that in 10 years some geniuses will start leaving schools and students will be able to do science?
        You ignored about healthcare. And it is right. What to say about what is no longer there. The authorities have a course on paid medicine, and this is just commerce and has nothing to do with healthcare. So, to paraphrase powerful and caustic phrase; all, prosrali health care.
        1. Normal
          Normal 5 June 2013 19: 15
          +1
          Quote: urzul
          About development


          About heritage and backlogs. No, do not refuse, but save, develop, increase and use! That's just
          Since then, the hardware, production and material base has changed.
          and I must say not for the better. For example, watch factories that produced not only wristwatches, but also devices, including probably for the needs of the Air Force and Navy, were safely covered with a copper basin. The 2nd Moscow Watch Factory ("Slava") ordered to live long. The buildings were demolished, probably the place was needed for elite buildings or office, shopping and entertainment areas. All-sprawling instrumentation ... Maybe not all, but a solid part of it.
          We are shouting cheers and throwing bonnets into the air. Is not it too early?
          For this I take my leave and thank you for your attention to my humble (but great laughing) person. hi
  17. shinobi
    shinobi 5 June 2013 08: 54
    +2
    There are critics and there are critics. Critics seek ways to solve problems, critics seek personal glory. In Syria, in fact, everything is just in full swing and the most interesting will begin at the end of the year. If the Israelis do not stir up another adventure.
  18. Igarr
    Igarr 5 June 2013 09: 38
    +5
    Hello to all.
    When there is something to rejoice about - how can you not be happy.
    And, moreover, I, sometimes, do not regret that nothing is being done in Mother Russia. It’s being done, how it’s being done - roads, for example, are repaired every spring. Here in Orel, summer and summer are exciting.
    Officials-thieves, by the ear and in the sun - to admire them - in, they say, Russia, 140 "lemons" in egg-boxes are kept. Well, look, solid uncle. What's next?
    Other mayors-peers-sirs .... "order" everyone around. And the deputies are lashing out from the Duma. Guess it, you see.
    Here, Roman, yesterday an article was about a worker of "lying labor" and Urgant - an assistant. It is quite understandable - from the TV screen in an implicit form is agitation for "all sorts of work is needed, all sorts of work is needed."
    No, I'm only FOR.
    The work is on. And, God forbid.
    .
    But a year ago, in the summer, it was a question of 300sq. km Russian territory, Controversial with China. In Buryatia somewhere or in Khakassia.
    Commission created. Decided - WHAT?
    The other day with Estonia troubles on the territory. Decided - WHAT?
    Ministry for Siberia and the Far East. Does it work? Or have they already transplanted everyone?
    USE this year ... how many scandals already? Is the minister still in place?
    .
    The president, of course, works more on the outside. It works well - I subscribe.
    But what is inside - giving everything to the obscure idiot?
  19. Corsair
    Corsair 5 June 2013 10: 01
    +1
    It's only the beginning

    EVERYTHING was "spread out" on their shelves +
  20. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 5 June 2013 10: 01
    +2
    Yes, we have many problems both in the defense industry and in the army, due to objective and subjective reasons ... ... but to say that everything is bad with us is not only wrong but also harmful. Life is so arranged that one cannot be the best everywhere .... therefore, we also have problems. But there are also samples of weapons that not only cause horror among the enemy, but also universal respect .... we will stand on this.
  21. Dromac
    Dromac 5 June 2013 11: 02
    +2
    Thanks for the positive! Hope to get out. In another way.
  22. phantom359
    phantom359 5 June 2013 11: 55
    +1
    Well done Esaul. 5 points.
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 16: 06
      -1
      Corsair (1)
      Dromac
      phantom359 (4)
      Thanks guys hi
      Quote: Dromac
      Hope to get out.

      It simply cannot be otherwise. Otherwise - just in a coffin, in white slippers.
  23. fenix57
    fenix57 5 June 2013 12: 44
    0
    Quote: sincman
    And the good news is up to us to create.

    I didn’t set a minus ...
    Quote: sincman
    It is enough for every sane person to declare their support for the People’s Liberation Movement at future rallies so that the patriots from power, seeing our support, could spread their wings and cleanse the country without looking back to the west!
    Oh .... revolution is drunk .., yes, you are for whom .. "for peace to the huts and ..." or WE will pack you all, into that sound, that which calls them (you) ...
    1. sincman
      sincman 5 June 2013 13: 01
      -1
      Quote: fenix57
      Oh .... revolution is drunk .., yes, you are for whom .. "for peace to the huts and ..." or WE will pack you all, into that sound, that which calls them (you) ...

      Read my answer to Vladimirtsu a little higher in the thread. Tell me, do you feel the difference in the energy of the rally in Support and the rally Against something or someone? The atmosphere is strikingly different.
      So here we are talking about rallies in support, and not against. And especially not about riots and revolutions.
      Or now, in fear of the hypothetical possibility of a revolution, everyone should sit quietly, with a mouse at home, in a secluded corner while we are impudently imposing Juvenile Justice, open sadomia and other nasty things, are they writing to us through NGOs the laws by which we and our children live ?!
  24. Vtel
    Vtel 5 June 2013 13: 17
    0
    Now it is necessary to surrender a truly patriotic movement, free from kosher liberals, so that the future leader of Russia, given from God, and not chosen by electronic games, can lean on him. Now there is no time to lose heart, and it’s harmful, only forward to the victory of Orthodox Russia! God is with us!
  25. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 5 June 2013 13: 29
    +2
    Great positive article!
  26. Karabin
    Karabin 5 June 2013 13: 40
    +1
    But the poisonous and often limp throws continue and will continue. That's why they are “stuffing”. And there are no longer those verbose written with a confident hand at the prompt of sponsors from behind the hill

    By "stuffing" Esaul means articles by Kalashnikov about "flightless missiles". At least the others are not mentioned in the opus. And the authors immediately received the label of defeatists, alarmists and agents of the State Department. Esaul you are not sick for an hour? Check for paranoia. To declare people's opinions and views a betrayal just because they do not coincide with yours is too much. And why did you decide that your perception of reality is useful for the Motherland? In my opinion, you are a typical Edrosov jingoist-patriot, wagging behind the "party line". But this is my opinion and I do not impose it on others.
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 16: 09
      0
      Karabin
      Your comment is the same to me - I like it, as one more confirmation of my opinion about you. Thanks - did not disappoint. laughing
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 5 June 2013 23: 59
        0
        Quote: esaul
        Thank you - did not disappoint

        Yes always please.
  27. Apollo
    Apollo 5 June 2013 17: 10
    +5
    Valery (Yesaul), good afternoon! hi
    I apologize for the offtopic.
    Not regarding the topic, but I really would like to get an answer to some questions. If you allow me.
    1. How do you feel about the arrest of the mayor of Makhachkala, and what did you think was the orderly assassination of the latter? Doesn’t it seem to you that the trend threatens the country's security no less than the country's defenses?
    2. How do you feel about the suspended sentence in relation to the former deputy of the Moscow regional Duma, Vasily Dupak, who committed the theft of 15 billion rubles. It turns out that if he had stolen even more, he could have committed another year or two.
    3. How do you think to stop the rampant theft and contract killings, what needs to be done.
    4. And finally, the last reason why you in every possible way avoid commenting on the theft committed in the Russian Defense Ministry and related criminal cases. What prevents you from speaking out and sharing your thoughts. Or have you outlined for yourself a circle of questions where you can write and where not? .
    1. esaul
      5 June 2013 17: 43
      0
      21 this May

      Apollon - ESAULU
      Yes, do not respect yourself in a discussion with you

      ESAUL - Apollo
      What is polemicizing with you? ... Fear God! And calm down. What haunts you

      Let's respect our words and be consistent.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 5 June 2013 17: 50
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        Let's respect our words and be consistent.


        I am consistent in my words, I did not enter into a discussion with you and I do not intend to enter. This is all only questions addressed to you, no more and no less.In any case, I’ll leave your answer unattended so as not to violate my word.

        Questions are asked with a view to assessing whether or not an answer is possible.
  28. valerei
    valerei 5 June 2013 21: 58
    0
    Bah !!! Esaul cut through, and I thought I was "blown away"! However, the "smoking room" is alive. Instead of comments, I dashed off a whole article, but about what? And so, as they say, about nothing, something pseudo-patriotic and exciting the minds of acne teenagers.
  29. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 5 June 2013 22: 45
    0
    on the “chessboard of the Syrian party” (the epithet is mine. Patent) ...
    Offset))) Patent granted)))
  30. Russ69
    Russ69 5 June 2013 23: 55
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    Yeah. And in parallel there were reports that only part of the city was taken, and in fact, everything is not so rosy, the battles continue. How many times have they claimed the capture of Aleppo? So we will wait and see.

    Yes, it seems like they took it and the militants even confirmed ...
  31. cartridge
    cartridge 9 June 2013 00: 50
    0
    I didn’t even know that such a missile in Russia is not just being created, but already really exists and is being produced. Just a sense of pride embraces both for Russia and for our gunsmiths!