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UAC is looking for a pool of suppliers for IL-76MD-90A

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JSC "Aviation complex named after S.V. Ilyushin ”is going to certify the civilian version of the IL-76MD-90A aircraft, Rossiyskaya Gazeta reports. According to the chief director of the complex Viktor Livanov, civil certification is a necessary condition for increasing the competitiveness of military transport aircraft in the world market. At the same time, the IL-76 is quite well represented in the world. Today, 100 Il-76 aircraft are used abroad, which are operated officially, unofficially about 300 such aircraft fly. So, even if it is possible to replace at least 200 aircraft in the fleet of commercial airlines, it will be good enough for us, said Viktor Livanov. In addition, the enterprise asks for the civil certification of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia, which carries out work around the globe.


The general director of the company clarified that the work on certification of the civilian version of the aircraft will begin only after everyone is sure that the state defense order for the supply of military transport aircraft IL-76MD-90А will be completed. According to Viktor Livanov, the aviation complex has a lot of important work to do, which is necessary for increasing the competitiveness of the IL-76MD-90А. The company has already made a technical assessment and figured out how difficult it is - yet the “transport worker” was designed more than 40 years ago, during which time the certification requirements have changed significantly. We figured on the company and how much it will cost. At the same time, a search for a circle of potential customers is conducted. Negotiations have already been held with major international airlines that operate in the market of commercial shipments (not only with Russian ones). Livanov believes that the certification of the aircraft, the company will be able to start no earlier than 2016 year.

At the IL-76: yesterday, today, tomorrow conference, which took place at the Aviastar-SP aircraft factory in Ulyanovsk, a rather important issue was discussed - the strategy for working with suppliers. Certainty in this matter is needed in order to fulfill a fairly extensive state defense order: the airline must assemble 39 IL-76MD-90А for the Russian Defense Ministry (and in the future - more than 100 aircraft up to 2020 of the year). Today it is the largest contract in the world for the number of heavy transport aircraft supplied.

UAC is looking for a pool of suppliers for IL-76MD-90A

At the conference, Deputy Director for Procurement of JSC UAC - Transport Airplanes, Alexander Konorev noted that today work is underway to create a pool of suppliers who would become partners of the enterprise for many years and understand the specifics of government contracts. Unlike other state defense orders, the price was set by the RF Ministry of Defense directives, the military department does not compensate for the costs of preparation and resumption of production, the credit load is about 15%. Therefore, there is such a situation in which the performer of this contract has a negative level of profitability.

The terms of the contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense are rather complicated: under the contract, the sale price of transport aircraft is 18% lower than their cost price. The direct loss of the KLA from their sale will be of the order of 600 million rubles per one delivered plane. On top of that, the military is going to pay for the planes later on 3 after the delivery of the aircraft - that is, in 2017. And this means that corporations, in any case, will have to raise credit funds. In order to at least somehow smooth out this situation and make the car competitive in the market, suppliers were asked to “moderate their appetite” and lay 15-1% instead of traditional 2% profitability. Losses promised to compensate for participation in other major projects of the KLA.

According to Konorev, suppliers who agree on these working conditions for the IL-476 project will receive a large number of opportunities. They are promised great prospects, not commensurate with the amount of discount, which now requires an aircraft manufacturing corporation. First of all, they receive a long-term contract for 39 aircraft in the framework of the Russian state defense order. In the event that another contract is concluded at the Ministry of Defense, they will be able to get an option to supply components for Il-76 transport aircraft and tankers based on them.


In addition, suppliers are offered to take part in another project of JSC UAC - the release of the MTA (multi-purpose transport aircraft), as well as in 2's, which are still potential projects for the production of An-124 and IL-112. The corporation is also ready to cooperate on the project “Superjet-100” and localize the production of foreign components in Russia. When the MS-21 Russian passenger aircraft is launched into the series, they will also be able to receive orders automatically. By the way, one of the loyal component suppliers for IL-76МД-90А has already created a joint venture with a foreign partner, which is a participant of the MC-21 project. Officially, this will be announced this summer at the Le Bourget Air Show.

At this point in time, OAK-TS has already selected 42 suppliers (among them are 3 large holding companies) with which negotiations are being held. At the same time, there are those companies that did not enter the position and refused the conditions proposed by the corporation. They are expected to conclude a contract for the 1-2 of the year (this is the 3-5 release of product kits); at the same time, the customer begins to offer their product range to other suppliers. Partners who have refused the terms of the KLA will be included in the “black list”: participation in other projects of the corporation will be impossible for them. As Alexander Konorev specified, it is planned to carry out an audit for all current projects: disloyal suppliers are planned to replace more loyal ones with those who are able to provide a competitive price level. Examples of the implementation of this decision in practice already exist. The President of the KLA recently signed an order to suspend all new projects and R & D work with one of the disloyal component suppliers who were involved in the production of hydraulic system elements.

Competitive advantages of the IL-76MD-90А (IL-476)

The new military transport aircraft IL-76MD-90 was created on the basis of the mass-produced military transport aircraft IL-76MD, which is intended for parachute and landing landing of military equipment, personnel and all kinds of cargo. On this plane more economical and powerful PS-90А-76 engines were mounted, which meet the requirements of ICAO (ICAO) for the emission of harmful substances, as well as the noise level. Their use on the 33% increases the thrust-to-weight ratio of the aircraft, and their reliability is higher immediately in 1,5-2 times. The installation of new Perm engines allowed to significantly increase the economic efficiency of the machine due to:


-increase 18% range;
- reduction of cruising specific fuel consumption by 12%;
-reduction of direct operating costs;
- increase of the transported commercial load during operation at elevated outdoor temperature and in conditions of high-altitude airfields.

The IL-76MD-90А aircraft has the following advantages over its predecessor the IL-76MD:

25% increase in maximum payload.
35% increase in the 40 transportation distance of tons of payload (average weight of goods transported).
Increased fuel efficiency by 17%.
Flight operations (landing) in category II of the ICAO and compliance with the requirements of the ICAO on the accuracy of navigation and safety.
4 certification for ICAO chapter noise and emissions.
The new PNPK ensured the introduction of KSNEI, an increase in 5 times the performance of the computing environment, an increase in the bandwidth of information exchange channels by 70 times, and an increase in accuracy of navigation several times.
The new digital programmable communication complex ensures the organization and maintenance in automatic mode with guaranteed quality of telephone radio communication, automatic data exchange with aircraft, ground and air control panels and gearboxes in a theater of military operations.
A new defense complex has been applied, increasing the survivability and combat effectiveness of the aircraft in accordance with customer requirements.
Improved cockpit ergonomics and modern requirements for habitat and crew performance.
Implemented measures for continuous embedded information support of the product life cycle, which allows for the maintenance of the entire aircraft in the system - “by state”.


The main structural differences from IL-76MD

The new IL-76MD-90А, also known as IL-476, received a new modified wing, PS-90А-76 engines, an upgraded chassis and new avionics. At the same time, the use of a new wing using long caisson panels made it possible to increase the maximum take-off weight of the aircraft by 10,5%, and in the variant of the tanker aircraft by 15,5%, while the maximum payload increased by 25%. At the same time, the use of new engines had a positive effect on increasing the reliability and fuel efficiency of the car. Modernization of the IL-76 chassis and braking system provides aircraft operation with a maximum take-off weight of 210 tons, and new wheels with brakes of increased power capacity provide operation with a maximum landing weight of 170 tons.

The new fuel system of the aircraft provides a more complete production of fuel, and also increases the safety of the flight due to the introduction of the regime of urgent fuel drain during emergencies. Modernization of the power supply system of the aircraft allowed increasing the total power supply capacity by 40% and combat survivability by 30%. The new auxiliary installation allowed 1,5 to increase the height of the launch times, the time of continuous operation increased 5 times, fuel consumption decreased.


At this point in time, approximately 30% of the global market for ramp transport airplanes are domestically produced aircraft, developed and delivered during the time of the USSR. At the same time, over the past 20 years, deliveries of Russian transport aircraft have been of a single character. At the same time, according to experts, the global market of military transport aviation remains fairly stable, and its volumes are estimated at about 5-6 billion dollars annually - about the order of 80-90 aircraft of various classes. The main competitors of IL-76МД-90А in the international arena today are Airbus А400М, Lockheed С-130 Hercules and С-17 (the plane of the American company "Boeing", whose production is scheduled to stop in 2014-15 years because of the high price).

Information sources:
-http: //www.aex.ru/news/2013/5/27/106094
-http://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2013/5/27/1804
-http: //rg.ru/2013/05/27/reg-pfo/postavshiki.html
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  1. svp67
    svp67 4 June 2013 08: 33 New
    +6
    It is difficult and difficult, but it is necessary ... When Ilyushin-2 saved the country, I really hope that Ilyushin-476 will be very useful in the rise of the new Russia ...
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 4 June 2013 10: 23 New
      +9
      This article says a lot and explains why in recent years the jump in prices for military products has approached the world (and somewhere has already caught up) and the quality, to say the least, is lame.

      Many reasons

      1-it’s not always necessary to blame the smut, because the subcontractors lift prices from the ceiling, realizing that there is no one besides them who would make a specific part for a specific sample (I spoke about this many times)

      2-smack must work with subcontractors, crushing them or looking for an alternative (even abroad) but the problem is in military acceptance, for example, the AMZ plant producing Tigers and BTR-82a is already openly crying from its suppliers calling the main scammers (Kovrov Plant and Kamaz OJSC) - they are happy to buy there, but even the purchase of a light bulb for lighting a Bosh-type interior requires coordination with military acceptance, which is 6 months minimum signatures
      So they are impudent
      3-glad that the guys from Ulyanovsk (in words) understand the importance of the contract and fulfill it on time, realizing that if they do everything successfully, new agreements will follow, and this is work for many years

      PS-it’s a pity that other random people (not all) who are at the helm of our military-industrial complex think differently
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 4 June 2013 13: 12 New
        +1
        Here is what surprised:

        Quote

        "The Il-76MD-90 military transport aircraft was created on the basis of the serially produced Il-76MD military transport aircraft, which is designed for parachute and landing landing of military equipment, personnel and all kinds of cargo."

        Everything is clear here and without question.

        Farther:

        "PS-90A-76, which meet the requirements of ICAO (ICAO) on the emission of harmful substances, as well as the noise level."

        Question: why does a military transport aircraft adhere to the ICAO requirements for noise and emissions of harmful substances during airborne landing?
        Or is ICAO already dictating noise requirements to our Air Force?
        Or do they mean by "harmful substances" our airborne forces, which with "noise" must complete their task?

        The author is with humor! Well done! Thinly noticed!

        Type the enemy warns: you throw troops on our territory - only quietly. And God forbid, while violating our laws on noise.

        Laugh or cry?

        And so the article - "+"!
        1. Tatar
          Tatar 4 June 2013 13: 53 New
          +2
          the plane is not only military but also transparent, so that it will not only carry troops, but also cargoes in the same Europe, therefore there are such requirements for it in terms of noise and emissions
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 4 June 2013 14: 07 New
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            Yes! You did not appreciate the humor!

            But seriously, in order to get a normal military-technical transport from Il-476, you still have a lot to work on landing equipment!
            By the way, the author ALREADY calls Il-476 military transport, if you notice!
            Quote:
            "Competitive advantages of the Il-76MD-90A (Il-476) aircraft

            The new Il-76MD-90 military transport aircraft was created on the basis of ... "

            And if at the exit we get a new BTA plane, then this is a comic situation, which I wrote about above.

            Why not a joke?
      2. fartfraer
        fartfraer 4 June 2013 14: 55 New
        +1
        "because subcontractors raise prices from the ceiling, realizing that apart from them there is no one who would make a certain detail for a specific sample" - a quote from a forum member
        "instead of the traditional 15% profitability, lay 1-2%." - a quote from the post. Now the question is 15% is an irrepressible appetite? for 1-2% profitability, dear, you will lose your business in a year (this is under favorable circumstances) or earlier. with such a profitability, you will not be able to upgrade equipment, index salaries to staff, etc., you will not even take out a loan. Apparently some on the forum thinks that it is better to let a year "for free", and then bend over than for a long time, but more expensive ...
        1. old man54
          old man54 4 June 2013 18: 39 New
          +2
          in general, servicing loans for the execution of a certain program / order is unambiguously taken into account by financial analysts and fits into the costs of the project! so no tantrums! Another thing is that in the Kremlin and around it they steal billions, and the manufacturers immediately twist their hands so that they would dance in the breakeven point, this is very bad. If everyone, starting from the top, would tighten their belts and go to old shirts and overcoats, like Joseph Vissarionovich for example, then, I think, very many people in the military-industrial complex themselves would be imbued with the ideas of modesty of their appetites and difficult economic situation in the country and would go to meet , and so ...: (((
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 4 June 2013 19: 58 New
            +1
            old man, maybe you are talking about the cost price. If the enterprise operates at zero, then this is almost the end of the enterprise.
            Regarding the second part of your komenta-completely agree
            1. old man54
              old man54 6 June 2013 21: 28 New
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              Quote: fartfraer
              old man, maybe you are talking about the cost price. If the enterprise operates at zero, then this is almost the end of the enterprise.

              "old man" ?? :)) okay, though close and unfamiliar, forgive! :))
              The cost of a loan with normal financial planning always falls on costs. The cost of this will be or the cost of additional funds raised for the production of products, it is not so important, depending on what financial method to take into account. The essence will not change - in any case it is not profit.
              And to work for 0 profit within the framework of one order, if there are other profitable orders, in the case when the company "breathes on its own" and the customers do not stand in a crowd under the windows, when there is nothing to pay for salary, then I think it is possible, on the more perspective! But the enterprise started working, revived, which is no less important. But now everyone still thinks by the criteria of the 90s - profit, profit ... They don't want to look at the day after tomorrow, they live one day, including the government!
          2. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 5 June 2013 10: 55 New
            0
            If the Kremlin adopted the lifestyle and thinking of Joseph Vissarionovich, then the military-industrial complex would have been in chocolate.
      3. VAF
        VAF 4 June 2013 17: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: Rustam
        This article says a lot and explains why


        Rustam, welcome! But only the article does not explain that .... what I wrote yesterday in the commentary in the article "The RF Air Force will see what else is possible ....".

        Here is the result .. today's article!

        Conclusion - there is no aircraft for the VTA. To somehow save the situation .. begin to "create" the visibility of "movements" in the form .. well, then everything is on the article.

        As a result, "citizens" do not need such an airplane, since it is too expensive .. it is cheaper to finish off their old TD's, and then lease a used Bobiki.

        And "enticements" like to participate in the "share" .... laughing chickens ... in short ... practically time trouble! soldier
        1. TSOOBER
          TSOOBER 4 June 2013 20: 12 New
          +1
          Hello Sergey! If IL is closed to BTA, then maybe AN! (Maybe not patriotic but practical!) Spit on pride and buy what you need! Correct if I'm wrong! request
        2. aviamed90
          aviamed90 4 June 2013 21: 42 New
          +1
          vaf

          Greetings!

          Here the guys are tormented - why on the IL-76 glazing on the cockpit (where the navigator is sitting). And why, in general, is a navigator needed in the crew (see posts below)?

          He answered as best he could ... There are not enough words! I'm desperate!
          If there is time - explain qualified from the point of view of the pilot.

          Well, damn it, comedians!
      4. old man54
        old man54 4 June 2013 18: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Rustam
        PS-it’s a pity that other random people (not all) who are at the helm of our military-industrial complex think differently

        that’s why the country has a prezik and a prime minister, I think that it would be necessary to regulate such issues, and if necessary, then these random ones or on the carpet in a knee-elbow pose, or nationalization and a complete change of leadership and owners. 1 or 2 do this and everything will immediately become silk and law-abiding! In this case, spit on a Western tantrum on this subject !!
  2. Trailer
    Trailer 4 June 2013 08: 41 New
    +7
    Good luck! I also want to see new Ruslans in my lifetime!
    1. sashka
      sashka 4 June 2013 09: 55 New
      11
      Quote: Karavan
      Good luck! I also want to see new Ruslans in my lifetime!

      I personally built them in Tashkent. 9 cars are mine. And "Mriya" too. There is a reason to be proud.
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 4 June 2013 10: 51 New
        +1
        What year do not tell me when they built it? And now how is it, they say with the outflow of Russian specialists the plant has bent?
      2. igor67
        igor67 4 June 2013 11: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Sasha
        Quote: Karavan
        Good luck! I also want to see new Ruslans in my lifetime!

        I personally built them in Tashkent. 9 cars are mine. And "Mriya" too. There is a reason to be proud.

        A guy worked with me in the 80s, he also worked in Tashkent, on the fuel system, in the assembly of ILs.
  3. mark1
    mark1 4 June 2013 09: 21 New
    +8
    "... At the same time, there are those companies that did not enter into the regulation and refused the conditions proposed by the corporation. It is planned to conclude a contract with them for 1-2 years (this is the release of 3-5 sets of products); in parallel with this, the customer begins to offer them nomenclature to other suppliers. Partners who refused the terms of the UAC will be included in the "black list": participation in other projects of the corporation will be impossible for them. As Alexander Konorev specified, it is planned to carry out an audit of all current projects: it is planned to replace disloyal suppliers with more loyal ones, who is able to provide a competitive price level ... "
    A familiar practice is the solution of your financial problems at the expense of a subcontractor (the main thing is to expand the prospects for future orders, which is written with a pitchfork on the water, but grass does not grow there). Well, counterparties will be replaced - now these are high-class enterprises, instead they will come to all those who agree, and even 15-20 percent will be ready to pay back ... The result will be very deplorable. We should take a closer look at the KLA leadership regarding the corruption component.
  4. sashka
    sashka 4 June 2013 09: 49 New
    +3
    Today, 100 Il-76 aircraft are used abroad, which are operated officially, unofficially about 300 such aircraft fly.

    We made six and a half cars a month. For so many years, so few? It even became a shame ..
  5. avt
    avt 4 June 2013 09: 50 New
    +3
    Good luck But to break into the market, even with the most beautiful machine .... request Sticks in wheels will be inserted childlessly.
  6. fartfraer
    fartfraer 4 June 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    I didn’t understand one thing — how does it happen that Ilyushenians will incur a loss from each aircraft? why does the MO purchase from us below-cost aircraft?
    Well, and the last question, specify what kind of industry rise can be discussed in the light of the above questions?
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 4 June 2013 10: 47 New
      +1
      fartfraer Today, 10:21 am New
      I didn’t understand one thing — how does it happen that Ilyushenians will incur a loss from each aircraft? why does the MO purchase from us below-cost aircraft?

      It's not very complicated. The scheme has already been tested in the redistribution of property.
      1) First comes the state order. 2) Deadlines are set. 3) Hold funding for a certain period of time. 4) The enterprise, in order to survive without dismissing the workers, is "forced" to take a loan from the bank. 5) The bank is either completely "manual" (personal), or by agreement as an intermediary.
      As a result, the legal "squeeze" of 10-15% of the contract amount. Ostap Bender Bey applauds :-)
    2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 4 June 2013 21: 50 New
      0
      They would write directly that the state will date it ..... then it is not clear why it is impossible to transfer these funds directly to the Ministry of Defense, why through subsidies ..? although if you think through subsidies it’s easier to steal ... otherwise it’s not clear why such a complicated system is to be started, then the money comes from one pocket ..?
  7. shpuntik
    shpuntik 4 June 2013 11: 07 New
    +4
    With the profitability of the supplier's enterprise, "subchik", at 1-2% per annum and our inflation (even if) 10%, by 2020 they will be blown away like a ball. They will not be able to lay the money for depreciation of production, they will not be able to raise wages.
    1. The general contractor gives 15% to the bank (is it not a relative of the shareholders?), And distributes the loss ratio to the shoulders of the contractors (as a monopolist).
    2. The contractor has nowhere to go, he agrees to enslaving conditions.
    3. By 2020, these (barely making ends meet) contractors will be bought with giblets by the general contractor, by then Ilyushchin will be in the ownership of some family clan. Moreover, these banking 15% will go to buy back shares.
    So, without investing a single ruble, they become billionaires.
    PS And what will happen to those enterprises that are on the "black list" of loyalty? Will the world's hard workers go?
    At the same time there are those companies who did not enter the position and refused the terms proposed by the corporation. It is supposed to conclude a contract with them for 1-2 years (this is the release of 3-5 sets of products);
    1. Argon
      Argon 4 June 2013 14: 05 New
      +3
      I completely agree with you, dear shpuntik, I am no less sorry for the hard workers than for you. I think for this all the "fuss" and started (consolidation of the entire production complex in one hand), of course, the scheme with a "smell", but let's look from the other side In reality, contractors (for the most part) are already debtors (or property) of financial structures. These structures, in fact, being intermediaries, are trying to increase prices (raising% of their own profits), the growth dynamics of which depends little on the realities of the economic component (they just got used to if the state order means it is necessary to cut, or reap, otherwise you are a "sucker") At least there will be demand from one owner (even a family clan). Your opinion is very interesting?
      1. El13
        El13 4 June 2013 17: 35 New
        +3
        Does it make sense in your words? For me, the Baltic Plant in St. Petersburg is an example, if I understand the situation correctly ...
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 5 June 2013 12: 50 New
          0
          El13 Yesterday, 17:35 ↑
          Does it make sense in your words? For me, the Baltic Plant in St. Petersburg is an example, if I understand the situation correctly ...

          And what kind of situation is there? A year ago, they wanted to declare him bankrupt, in my opinion.
          1. El13
            El13 5 June 2013 13: 00 New
            0
            Yes, it seems like he was bankrupt by taking a state order, then they took under the wing of the USC and again they gave a state order.
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 5 June 2013 15: 25 New
              +1
              El13 Today, 13:00 ↑ New
              Yes, it seems like he was bankrupt by taking a state order, then they took under the wing of the USC and again they gave a state order.

              It seems so. With "Severnaya Verf" the same thing, they gave ransoms to those who privatized them. In Komsomolsk "ASZ" quieted down altogether.
              Slowly it goes, but very slowly, the cadres do not have time to recover, the youth are reluctant to go, the old people leave.
      2. shpuntik
        shpuntik 5 June 2013 11: 15 New
        0
        Argon Yesterday, 14:05 PM
        There will be even demand from one owner (even if a family clan).

        Yes, this is how it is: a "home-grown" tycoon is better than a fat, foreign investor who is called to Russia, but he does not go to any, but for some reason, to communist, not democratic China.
        In general, the redistribution of property among 150 million people, on 1/6 of the Earth, took place before our eyes: first we studied the leading, leading role of the Communist Party, and then we happily smelled the "wind of change" and breathed it deeply. First, the property was taken away (from those who had it), and then after 75 years, they decided to distribute. And where is the meaning, where is the logic?
        And the logic, in my opinion, is that God is not a fryer and sees everything. And when they say that he is not there and we are all cool atheists, it turns out what happened: the last priest was not shown, and we don’t live under communism.
        The root, but subtle misconception is that people cannot be equal. Because God made it so that we are all different and there are no absolutely identical two people. There are similar ones, but not the same. So it is with property, money: there are rich, there is not much, each has his own work, try, study.
        Therefore, I am not against the rich, I just want them to raise the Russian industry, and not make up "black lists" and people without work.
  8. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 4 June 2013 12: 02 New
    -4
    It is Ilyushka who are working to win in Syria, and it is they who will deliver our unique C-300 to Syria. You will need more horsepower, load more on board and fly further on.
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 4 June 2013 21: 53 New
      +4
      You went to-op with your Syria .. already stumbled ... and to the place and out of place you poke ...
  9. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 4 June 2013 12: 07 New
    +4
    It is very important to provide the BTA with new machines, for the needs of the airborne forces and of course. I myself served in the BTA, and I know that half of the flies do not fly into the actual presence of Iashin, this is very bad, this greatly reduces the mobility of the army!
  10. KononAV
    KononAV 4 June 2013 14: 13 New
    +1
    I don’t understand why he needs a navigator’s place from below the cabin
    1. evfrat
      evfrat 4 June 2013 14: 25 New
      0
      I think for PVP flights?
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 4 June 2013 14: 38 New
        +1
        evfrat

        And when flying on instruments (IFR), in your opinion, the navigator is not needed?

        What is the connection?
        1. evfrat
          evfrat 4 June 2013 19: 01 New
          +2
          I thought that for visual observation by the navigator .... please explain where he looks then through the glazing and why? )))
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 4 June 2013 21: 24 New
            +2
            evfrat

            You're right!

            Well, firstly, to determine the ground orientations visually and reconcile them with those on the map (safety net in case of instrument failure).

            Secondly, to control the landing during repeated calls to the drop-out area (the position of the landing site, the position of the paratroopers (equipment by parachutes) dropped in previous calls). For the moment of landing the navigator calculates.

            Well, and thirdly, the view from there is painfully beautiful!

            And I thought that you were asking about the need for a navigator in the crew at all! And you're talking about glazing! In - how!
            1. Barabas
              Barabas 4 June 2013 22: 18 New
              0
              sorry, I climbed in with my memories. as it flew from Polyarny to Krasnoyarsk on 76th. as it is said by an aviator. just in this navigator's cabin. an unforgettable impression was left by the view from this "bulb" from a height of 9 km, and the rails along which the navigator's chair crawled By the way, I didn’t see him the whole flight. The men wrote a bullet somewhere.
            2. evfrat
              evfrat 5 June 2013 01: 11 New
              +2
              Thank you, I asked about specific tasks, landing and dropping of cargo, it’s clear now. It’s just that in an-26, the navigator seems to have a place behind the first pilot and only the aquarium on board flew to the ground several times ...
    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 4 June 2013 14: 32 New
      +3
      KononAV

      In wartime, GLONASS and GPS will probably not work (and much more).
      How do you order the course to be charted? A pack of Belomor?

      The navigator is definitely in demand. In addition, he takes part in the parachute landing process.
      For the same reason, in the aviation regiments so far, along with CGS (or ILS) they use CPD and OSB. And in ground-based radar groups - PRV (the adversary will not be so kind as to display his height in the form on VIKO).

      New modern equipment (including Western production) is not being replaced in place of proven domestic equipment, but in addition to it.
      Which is justified.
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 7 June 2013 13: 23 New
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        "the enemy will not be so kind as to display his height in the form on VIKO"
        Why not? If the opponent is cynical enough ...
      2. Amapok
        Amapok 10 September 2013 20: 33 New
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        "... And how do you order the course to be plotted? By a pack of Belomor?"
        (C)

        Air defense: "We don't fly ourselves and we don't give to others."
  11. avt
    avt 4 June 2013 20: 21 New
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    Quote: aviamed90
    In wartime, GLONASS and GPS will probably not work (and much more).
    How do you order the course to be charted? A pack of Belomor?

    Such a case was described - our warship went to Turkey on a visit, the Turkish marimans showed up, one laughed merrily pointing at the sextant and chirped something merrily, he was stern in response and the first died out. As the first source said later, the first laughed at the technical backwardness of the Russians, and the second answered him that they say your GPS will turn off at sea and you will freeze, and this Russian will determine your favorite place.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 7 June 2013 13: 31 New
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      On the submarine GPS does not catch. A sextant at a depth of 50m is problematic to use. And nothing swim. ;)
  12. Amapok
    Amapok 10 September 2013 20: 24 New
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    "... new avionics. ..." (c)

    Finally, I hear a reasonable answer.