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Who will free us from the hatred of the "liberated by Gorbachev"?

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Who will free us from the hatred of the "liberated by Gorbachev"?In ancient times, the inhabitants of the Russian Empire had such a custom - to challenge a duel with categorical disagreements.


Fortunately, the militant representatives of the liberal public, there are no hints of at least some minimal grandeur (in terms of territories, no more) today, so we can limit ourselves to just a verbal skirmish. And thanks for that.

Sometimes it is surprising that some representatives of the new generation with such categorical hatred relate to everything that they associate with the Soviet Union; there is a suspicion that once the object of their hatred "for the whole Soviet" will be simple working tools - a hammer and a sickle. However, forgive me such freedom, I forgot that the hands of today's liberals were not created for work, the blood from labor callosities did not flow on their palms - they are creative intelligentsia, and not some kind of mobile.

It is possible that Gorbachev would still be sitting on the throne, until now, like, as you say, the "North Korean leader." Only you would be the first to pour hot tears on your eternal topic regarding the “irremovability of power” - of course, if you had the right to vote at all and did not whisper shod about the apartments and the small rooms. And on the throne, by the way, Gorbachev sits quite often. Only already at their Western friends, who constantly and in a big way arrange birthdays for him and invite a lot of Western stars, who, in turn, pronounce laudatory odes in honor of the “Great Reformer”. By the way, is it not they who paint on their stomachs during their performances “Free Pussy Riot”?

It is also strange that there is a thought that speaks of some kind of "the liberation by Gorbachev of Europe". Probably, the concept of freedom has perverted today among people, and it is not surprising: freedom today is the right to dance in churches and march at gay parades. But I dare to remind you: if anyone already liberated Europe - and not half, but all entirely - it is Stalin hated by all liberals, along with the multi-million army of the dead - those who lie under the ground, those who truly fought for it in order to be free, and those with contempt today dare to suspect the "occupation" of the very "freedom-loving". No, no, you are not "children of the Gorbachev era."

I myself am so, I communicated with hundreds, thousands of the same: they do not have in their eyes the hatred that fills your souls, and which, like a cheesy virus in winter, is transmitted to you incomprehensibly from whom. Children of the Gorbachev era remember their childhood very well - the years when their parents had to spend a penny on a dime; the years when, instead of fighting smiling boys, on the streets of cities there appeared grimy homeless children hiding their faces in the collars of their coats, under which they had bags filled with “Moment” glue; years when the leader of a great nation (however, a leader?) made his citizens blush with shame for him, dancing the Sverdlovsk drunkard and causing hysterical laughter from the American president. No, you are not the children of the Gorbachev era: that generation is the last generation, romantics who believe in justice and fairness and dream of becoming hockey players and cosmonauts, and not businessmen and officials.

It is not surprising that you constantly write the word “Motherland” with a small letter. You probably don’t have it either: it’s not in vain in your liberal environment that the phrase “it’s time to blame” is key. A person without a Homeland does not have a home, and those who constantly call Russia “Rashka” (Rashka is, in fact, the medieval name of the Serbian principality), it’s not for nothing that they wander abroad looking for happiness, like homeless and wanderers. A person can leave forever, this is his right, but he should have a homeland - otherwise the moral frame of a person collapses into dust, and the person himself begins to degrade: he has nowhere to return.

It is you, the supporters of “liberalism” and “liberal reforms”, the supporters of “maximum freedoms” who have brought the situation to such limits that they themselves now poke everyone around in the face - from their fellow citizens to foreign observers: corruption, human rights violations, the catastrophic problems of drug addiction ... However, one can not remember about the latter: in the end, it is the liberals who are so fond of the saying “Personal freedom ends where the freedom of another begins”, simply saying, “Let a person do what he wants, I have the right to do so as long as I do not interfere. " Such a third-party, passive, absolutely weak-minded point of view led to a total society of indifference, a society of devil-may-care attitude and the erection of the definition of “the particular above the common” to the cult. Then do not be surprised that your children become complete scum, stealing things from home and driving themselves to the grave. This is what you can pass “in the inheritance from Gorbachev's times” - however, let's be frank, we are talking only about the heritage and consequences of those times.

It was also repeatedly pointed out that, they say, “what did all countries run away if everything was so good in the USSR?” And that's why they ran away, dear ones, because your “freedoms” brought the unique ability of a small handful of people to influence the destinies of multimillion states. Again, this is what you are now poking in the face right and left, shouting about the "irremovability of power" and "decision-making by a group of rulers." At the exit from this “gate” it was suddenly discovered that “outside the court” was not at all smooth asphalt and an eternal holiday, but dirt, wind and dust.

Free Latvia is now barely making ends meet, trying to somehow stimulate its citizens to remain in the country and not leave for work in the European Union. A free Ukraine, rapidly flying supposedly into a bright European future, has repeatedly shed tears of disappointment after its “people's elected” pro-European president. Free Estonia is experiencing a catastrophic shortage of funds - such that even the legendary Tallinn chimney sweeps, the pride of the Estonian capital, spit on their craft and also, following the Latvians, leave to sweep the streets of the European Union. Is it your freedom? Is it a release? It seems that if the residents of these countries knew in advance what the outcome of this “going out of the gate” would lead to, they would not leave a living place on the initiators of such a “desire for freedom”.

Do not shame the name of those who shed tears mixed with blood for a better life - let's be honest, if not the sweetest, but worthy. Russia's highest award for the collapse of a dream, for the collapse of the creed of our fathers and mothers, for the collapse of confidence and introduction to confusion, for the ambiguity of the future, which we are trying to put together for a minute, is a natural betrayal.

Therefore, tell your "Mikhail Sergeyevich" - let him put the order on the table, as he once put the party card on the table. More from him nothing is required - the rest, to our regret, he did without us.
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  1. Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris 5 June 2013 06: 36 New
    +8
    "Who will free us from the hatred of the" liberated Gorbachev "?"

    Judah must be planted, that’s all.
    1. krasin
      krasin 5 June 2013 08: 29 New
      +6
      Therefore, tell your "Mikhail Sergeyevich" - let him put the order on the table, as he once put the party card on the table. More from him nothing is required - the rest, to our regret, he did without us.

      Let a Judas live with 33 pieces of silver; only let him know how the people think of him !!
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 5 June 2013 19: 52 New
        +2
        If this "spotted" order is awarded, then Judas must be canonized as a saint! (He, in comparison with the "spotted" one, is just a petty shkodnik who publicly urinated on the corner of the house.)
    2. Airman
      Airman 5 June 2013 09: 06 New
      +9
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      "Who will free us from the hatred of the" liberated Gorbachev "?"

      Judah must be planted, that’s all.


      "There is no bread, but full of shoe polish, and the Brokeback leader mocks. ATAS!" He is still mocking us, praised by shit-thieves.
    3. Gari
      Gari 5 June 2013 11: 35 New
      13
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      Judah must be planted, that’s all.

      Dear, it’s correct to land only on the NUMBER and necessarily ASPEN
      1. zxz71
        zxz71 5 June 2013 22: 43 New
        +1
        I agree thirty-five times !! underwater snake.
    4. Rink
      Rink 5 June 2013 14: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      Judah must be planted, that's all

      Not, of course, Judas must be judged - as they say, "there is no bazaar."
      But this does not remove the question posed in the article: what to do with a whole generation infected with hatred of their own country and nationality? After all, they are infected with hatred specifically for the country, for everything Russian, and not for the ruling power or state system.

      Think at all times in all countries, revolutionaries destroyed the state because they disagreed with the course and policies chosen by the official authorities. They had an IDEA how to make their country better, how to equip it for good, and these ideas were too perpendicular to the official course. In this situation, there is only one way out - to overthrow the government and build the country according to your own understanding. That is, they were patriots. And even Hitler had as his goal not the destruction of his Germany, but the construction of the “Great Reich” on its base.

      And our liberals have one idea and purpose. Not a change in political direction in any direction, not a change in the ruling power due to differences in views on the methods of its construction (or even at least for the purpose of personal gain), namely, the destruction of their homeland as such. Whoever doubts, let him honor Novodvorskaya and other "ideologists" of the "progressive liberal" part of the "creative intelligentsia" of Russian society.
      This is a betrayal of everything that can be betrayed: the memory of their great-grandfathers, parents, the homeland small and Rodiny big, national interests - everything that can make up the moral backbone of a person.

      Therefore, I perceive liberal pro-Westerners approximately like rotten cherriesbecause they are suitable for anything exactly the same.

      PS Admires the wisdom of our ancestors, Scythians.
      Who remembers the fate of Anaharsis, the son of King Gnur, the brother of King Savlius and Caduit?
      According to Herodotus, he was killed for performing a foreign religious ceremony (Herodotus IV, 76-78):
      Anaharsis has seen many countries and has shown his great wisdom there. On the way back to the Scythian limits, he had to swim through the Hellespont to adhere to Kyzik. At that time, the Kizikenites solemnly celebrated the feast of the Mother of the Gods. Anaharsis gave the goddess such a vow: if he returns home healthy and unharmed, he will make a sacrifice to her according to the ritual that he saw among the Kizikens, and will establish an all-night feast in her honor. After returning to Scythia, Anaharsis secretly went to the so-called Gilea (this area lies near the Achilles' lists and the whole is covered with a dense forest of different species of trees; the lower reaches of the Dnieper or Don). So, Anaharsis went there and performed the full ceremony of the festival, as he had to see in Kizik. At the same time, Anaharsis hung small images of the goddess on himself and hit the tympans (copper plates). Some Scythian spied on the performance of these rituals and reported to King Saul. The king himself arrived at the place and, as soon as he saw that Anaharsis was celebrating this holiday, he killed him with an arrow from a bow. To this day, the Scythians still answer the question about Anaharsis that they do not know him, and this is because he visited Hellas and adopted foreign customs.

      A little tough by now, but the idea itself is correct. It is necessary to protect and develop YOUR culture, your country. Adherence to foreign customs and, especially, their adoption leads to the loss of national identity of the people.
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 6 June 2013 16: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Skating rink
        what to do with a whole generation infected with hatred of their own country and nationality?

        What self-conceit must one possess in order to blame the whole generation for something? And even more so - in hatred of his own country and all Russian. Maybe it’s you yourself who are infected with hatred of your own people, or at least a significant part of it? However, this is a typical feature of all Stalinists. They are ready to destroy half of the population of their own country in order to realize their ghostly ideas. A significant part of the younger generation really does not want to return to the Soviet "paradise", only nationality and patriotism have nothing to do with it. It is not necessary to equate the interests of the Communist Party and the interests of our country.
        Quote: Skating rink
        at all times in all countries, revolutionaries destroyed the state because they disagreed with the course and policies chosen by the official authorities. They had an IDEA how to make their country better, how to equip it for good, and these ideas were too perpendicular to the official course. In this situation, there is only one way out - to overthrow the government and build the country according to your own understanding. That is, they were patriots.

        Are you probably hinting at the Communists? I dare to recall that the initial goal of the "Lenin Guard" was not the Good of Russia, but the World Revolution. It was for this purpose that the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia, which in their hands was to become (and became) just a means of promoting the revolution on a global scale. They began to take care of the development of the country (for the sake of their own salvation) only after they became convinced of the impossibility of quickly achieving this goal. Stalin was also a communist and Russia (USSR) was interested in him only as a good tool for the establishment of communism on a global scale. Hence his indifference to the number of victims among his own people. The end justifies the means - the main informal slogan of the Bolsheviks, and now neo-Stalinists.
        Quote: Skating rink
        It is necessary to protect and develop YOUR culture, your country. Adherence to foreign customs and, especially, their adoption leads to the loss of national identity of the people.

        Interestingly, what do you mean by YOUR culture? The Russian folk culture was destroyed in due time along with religion by the Bolsheviks (Leninists, Trotskyists, Stalinists). Elite official culture existed in tsarist Russia and in the USSR. She exists now. If by YOUR culture you mean the party principles of Stalinism, then the Russian people are not on your way.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 7 June 2013 14: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: yurta2013
          What self-conceit must one possess in order to blame the whole generation for something? And all the more - in hatred of their own country and all Russian
          I apologize, but the term "lost generation" is not his thought. D. Medvedev, for example, uses. And about the hatred of their own country - not at the address, the media have tried hard in recent years, the result is obvious.
          Quote: yurta2013
          It is not necessary to equate the interests of the Communist Party and the interests of our country.
          Then you yourself stepped on your rake. On whose behalf do you speak?
          Quote: yurta2013
          Are you probably hinting at the Communists?
          Where did you see this hint? Do not think over the text. "At all times ..." does anything tell you?
          Quote: yurta2013
          I dare to recall that the initial goal of the "Lenin Guard" was not the Good of Russia, but the World Revolution.
          In what academies did you receive your education? The one who pulled towards this goal got an ice pick along the cumpole. Have the Svanidze-Melechins heard enough? Do not confuse Marx's theoretical conclusions with Leninist practice.
          Quote: yurta2013
          Stalin was also a communist and Russia (USSR) was interested in him only as a good tool for the establishment of communism on a global scale.
          I won’t even comment, I had to first read the post to the end to understand who I’m dealing with, damn it ...
          Quote: yurta2013
          The end justifies the means - the main informal slogan of the Bolsheviks, and now neo-Stalinists.
          Learn history, read less liberal agitation.
          Quote: yurta2013
          Interestingly, what do you mean by YOUR culture? The Russian folk culture was destroyed in due time along with religion by the Bolsheviks (Leninists, Trotskyists, Stalinists). Elite official culture existed in tsarist Russia and in the USSR. She exists now.

          Did you understand what you wrote?
          Quote: yurta2013
          If by YOUR culture you mean the party principles of Stalinism, then the Russian people are not on your way.
          all the same - on behalf of the Russian people. And about the "principles of Stalinism" - you need to know what to judge, it is indecent. Formulate, if only for yourself - what is meant here.
    5. PatriotRusi
      PatriotRusi 5 June 2013 16: 47 New
      +3
      You need to hang it.
      For the collapse of a world power plant little.
      1. mansur
        mansur 6 June 2013 01: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: Patriot
        You need to hang it.
        For the collapse of a world power plant little.

        And it is possible to dismember
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 6 June 2013 16: 13 New
          0
          Or maybe just hit the head?
    6. Quiet
      Quiet 5 June 2013 21: 54 New
      0
      It is sometimes surprising that some representatives of the new generation with such categorical hatred relate to everything that they associate with the Soviet Union

      Russia is scolded by those who lived happily at the expense of the USSR during the Soviet Union, not forgetting to yell that they feed Russia! When the collapse of the USSR began, they shouted even louder: “Russian VON !!! we’ll live better without you !!! Now all the former allied ORAs! fool am eat further !!!! And RUSSIA WILL LIVE WITHOUT YOU !!!! stop good drinks hi
  2. Prometheus
    Prometheus 5 June 2013 06: 44 New
    +9
    Why plant? Judas Iscariot hanged himself. And Gorby himself will not hang himself - he will not be able to climb a pine tree. Or she will break laughing Better to hang it yourself.
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 5 June 2013 07: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Prometheus
      And Gorby himself will not hang himself - he will not be able to climb a pine tree.

      Pendela him to disperse and perform at its best.
    2. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 6 June 2013 03: 18 New
      0
      Better to hang it yourself.

      Still messing about him. Himself after Raisa will leave soon. They are waiting for him there. The whole kagal was still incomplete.
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 5 June 2013 06: 45 New
    12
    Forgive the author, but did not read your article. Tired of a hunchback, burying and forgetting would be the most correct regarding Judah. We can write one thing here, but our state is doing something different with respect to the hunchback-Alas request
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 5 June 2013 08: 15 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Forgive the author, but did not read your article. Tired of a hunchback, burying and forgetting would be the most correct regarding Judah. We can write one thing here, but our state is doing something different with respect to the hunchback-Alas request

      The point is not in Humpback — his grave will be corrected, but in the generation of people with a mutilated conscience and thinking. Our generation must withstand this invasion, as an officer of the Air Force and Ministry of Internal Affairs of the 60-80s, I am deeply alien to the quasi-patriotic praise of the current system, the system of victorious enslavers. Cheering for the fate of the country and being true patriots, we should influence, if possible, the consciousness of our descendants.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 5 June 2013 08: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      bury and forget

      No no and one more time no !
      It has long been said and repeated more than once
      whoever forgets history dooms himself to its repetition!

      Another one for you Humpback needed at the head of Russia? So we already have a candidate, if he could supervise Russia so favored under supervision, what would happen if he sat down as a sovereign master?
    3. aviamed90
      aviamed90 5 June 2013 12: 07 New
      +3
      Alexander Romanov

      I do not agree with you.

      The comrade must answer for his actions.
      Alas, in this life you have to pay for everything! So let him answer.

      Hope this ever happens.
  4. Bigriver
    Bigriver 5 June 2013 06: 57 New
    23
    Regarding Gorbachev, until 2012 I had some kind of illusion regarding his decency and honor. I thought, well, maybe she’s going through it a bit, overestimates what she has done, blames herself ...
    Nifiga. He accepts the First Order of the Russian Empire! Bastard ...
    Thanks to Medvedev for getting rid of the illusions about his person. With him, too, everything became clear. Presentation by him of “Andrew the First-Called” to the labeled is an unambiguously foreign policy step, a signal: I welcome Gorbachev’s accomplishment and will complete his “work”.
    1. dropout
      dropout 5 June 2013 11: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: BigRiver
      The first order of the Russian Empire!

      But I don’t understand why he needs an order; he has pizza hanging on his chest.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 5 June 2013 13: 18 New
        0
        Quote: dropout

        But I don’t understand why he needs an order; he has pizza hanging on his chest.

        I think it was more necessary for Dima Badminton, who also positioned himself in this way, first of all - to the West, and secondly - to the internal Russian opposition.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 5 June 2013 15: 11 New
      +6
      Two bastards worthy of each other and hanging on one aspen
    3. AntonR7
      AntonR7 5 June 2013 19: 36 New
      +1
      Yes, this fact (award) also disappointed me, as if they approve of the collapse of the state, that’s what they should strive for. I believe that this significant order was vulgarized once.
      Hunchback should be deprived of property to be judged and sent to his Western friends, otherwise they would freeze the death penalty, and in prison feed his money down the drain.
    4. ded10041948
      ded10041948 5 June 2013 20: 03 New
      0
      From one oak acorns! I sometimes have doubts about the correctness of the actions when suppressing the GKChP. It seems that they didn’t help!
      1. zxz71
        zxz71 5 June 2013 22: 52 New
        0
        I had to participate in this circus. Alarm ice cream with porridge! We entered the pristine two days without a kitchen. Empty as drums. Muscovites fed. Asked if what not to shoot! Then at the exit from the capital I saw so much equipment. All. When a team a couple of trams, well, certainly didn’t help!
  5. individual
    individual 5 June 2013 07: 00 New
    +7
    That’s what pleases me, I’m not the only one who thinks about great historical betrayal USSR / Russia.
  6. fenix57
    fenix57 5 June 2013 07: 02 New
    +3
    +++ Liked though
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Tired of a hunchback, burying and forgetting would be the most correct regarding Judas
    -Support!
    And let the liberotolerants "knock over" to their idol and sing praises to him
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 5 June 2013 08: 49 New
      +2
      Do not forget!
  7. pinecone
    pinecone 5 June 2013 07: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Forgive the author, but did not read your article. Tired of a hunchback, burying and forgetting would be the most correct regarding Judah. We can write one thing here, but our state is doing something different with respect to the hunchback-Alas request


    Right. Restructuring, alteration, restructuring continues.
    1. hommer
      hommer 5 June 2013 11: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: pinecone
      Restructuring, alteration, restructuring continues.


      Perestroika, skirmish, roll call ...
  8. avant-garde
    avant-garde 5 June 2013 07: 11 New
    20
    I offer to give the hunchback a throne, I think he deserved it in full !!!
    1. Gari
      Gari 5 June 2013 11: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: avant-garde
      I offer to give the hunchback a throne, I think he deserved it in full !!!

      And then take a steam bath in this bathhouse
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus 5 June 2013 15: 40 New
        +2
        Why make a martyr out of Gorbachev?
        To take everything from him, to drive him out into the street, let him be homeless.
        Oh! And Novodvorskaya for his company.
        1. ded10041948
          ded10041948 5 June 2013 20: 10 New
          +1
          Not for the company, but for legal spouses! In there will be a couple, imagine - and then cringe, but if you still adopt an iPhone ...?
          People! Do not hit me! Is it already impossible to dream ?!
  9. waisson
    waisson 5 June 2013 07: 13 New
    +2
    it’s a pity the second person involved did not live out Yeltsin who drank Russia and the current ROCKS I would put in one team and send him to master Kalyma, but I wouldn’t put him down unequivocally. the enemies of the state should be useful and not write memoirs while sitting behind bars.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 5 June 2013 14: 59 New
      0
      He is now spinning like a propeller, so many curses are being sent to him every second.
  10. Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 5 June 2013 07: 13 New
    +1
    Who will free us from the hatred of the "liberated by Gorbachev"?

    OUR ADVICE, that's who!
    And on this .... Ugh, I don’t want to remember about him!
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 5 June 2013 07: 54 New
      +2
      OUR ADVICE, that's who!
      And on this .... Ugh, I don’t want to remember about him!


      Yes, I’m trying to get my hands dirty, but nobody wants to, but I must judge the dog. As a traitor to the motherland. After all, they have no statute of limitations for crimes committed. And even if this hunchbacked ruin in old age would slurp balandas, and not overseas dishes, as now.
  11. Soldier
    Soldier 5 June 2013 07: 21 New
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    "Why did all countries run away if everyone was so happy in the USSR? And who ran away? The minority rules the majority. Three of them gathered in the Bialowieza Forest and poher the Great State to please their personal interests. And in the referendum 89% voted FOR UNION: We didn’t want collapse, no one asked us. And while we feverishly ate imported sausage, dressed in Chinese clothes, and excitedly looked at Amer’s militants on freshly bought video recorders, they dragged out the country under the guise. ..I think there is not a single person who would be happy about the collapse of the Union.
    1. Frunze
      Frunze 5 June 2013 12: 33 New
      +2
      I agree and I pissed, and pay a heavy price what
    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 5 June 2013 17: 48 New
      +1
      Soldier

      Quote:
      "I think there is not a single person who would be happy about the collapse of the Union."

      You are mistaken, dear!

      Check out the posts below.
      1. Gari
        Gari 5 June 2013 19: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: aviamed90
        I think there is not a single person who would be happy about the collapse of the Union. "

        You are mistaken, dear!

        Check out the posts below.

        Yes, you're right, who then put the cons to me if not them?
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 6 June 2013 13: 53 New
        0
        Quote: aviamed90
        Check out the posts below.
        Yes, really .... Someone just now began to get something, someone "personally participated." In short, as always, shake - fill.
  12. Denis
    Denis 5 June 2013 07: 24 New
    15
    So pass it to your “Mikhail Sergeyevich” - let him put the order on the table
    And who was the initiator of his award?
    Tell this head with a patch that EBN and Berezovsky were waiting for him
    Here is his reward
  13. pahom54
    pahom54 5 June 2013 07: 25 New
    +9
    I completely agree with the author of the article. I would like to add from myself: here’s Medvedev’s face was clearly manifested - to reward the traitor of the Motherland with her highest award !!! I am amazed how the GDP did not stop him ...
    That's right, people who call our country Russia are those who have not shed a drop of sweat for its prosperity, only calls in fact for its collapse. The so-called complete freedom will lead to the collapse of both society and the nation (yes, in fact, it has already led).
    But Gorbachev would have to be judged by the people's court, and I think the punishment would be scary - mine, our generation, which Gorbach called "lost" (here S..ka !!!) is still living, and God grant us health - while we alive, the word homeland will be written only with a capital letter !!!
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  14. treskoed
    treskoed 5 June 2013 07: 26 New
    0
    Idol choose to your liking
  15. Sosland
    Sosland 5 June 2013 07: 44 New
    +2
    Everything has been clear and understandable with him for a long time - a cowardly creature without a mind of honor and conscience, who betrayed his homeland with the same "comrades-in-arms". It is a creature that has depreciated blood shed for Russia. It makes me grimace with disgust when it flickers on the screen or in some kind of newspaper. It can still justify itself and snarl, as a thief caught by the hand who has stolen from his children is justified. I would like to ask another creature who wrote him the award “FOR WHAT?”.
  16. Denis
    Denis 5 June 2013 07: 54 New
    12
    That's who would have freed from these last of his
    This is a mine laid under the base
    Who to believe ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 June 2013 10: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      That's who would have freed from these last of his

      Excuse me, but how did he become a State Duma deputy? How did they become deputies of Mitrofanov, Blinov, Mironov, Gudkov, Kozhevnikov ????? Our people, neighbors in the region, home, street, voted for them. Society must be cleaned up by itself, then there will be no such people in the State Duma.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 5 June 2013 10: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Mitrofanov, Pancakes, Mironov, Gudkov, Kozhevnikov ?????

        From the entire list I can only assume how Kozhevnikova became a deputy, although I would not be surprised if the others listed in the same way became deputies. It probably looked like this tongue
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 5 June 2013 13: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Our people voted for them

        This can not always be blamed - uncontested elections, beautiful promises, falsified vote counts, but you never know what.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Society must be cleaned up by itself, then there will be no such people in the State Duma.
        Even if the society "cleans itself", without a mechanism for recalling a deputy at any time and day, as soon as he loses the confidence of voters not to do. All the same, by hook or by crook, anything will climb up ... The laws of physics will help them. And so, I think, here you don’t even have to wait for the complete self-purification of society - responsibility (real and not only moral) always stimulates, and this is also responsibility not before the party leader, but before the voters. I admit, there are a lot of problems and nuances, but in the problem of self-cleaning of society there are even more of them, such is my opinion.
      3. Airman
        Airman 8 June 2013 11: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Denis
        That's who would have freed from these last of his

        Excuse me, but how did he become a State Duma deputy? How did they become deputies of Mitrofanov, Blinov, Mironov, Gudkov, Kozhevnikov ????? Our people, neighbors in the region, home, street, voted for them. Society must be cleaned up by itself, then there will be no such people in the State Duma.

        Yes, we did not vote for them, they went through the party lists, and on the lists who have more money, that is ahead.
    2. alexkross83
      alexkross83 5 June 2013 11: 58 New
      +3
      Judging by Step’s photo, he went to dad :-) :-) :-)
    3. ded10041948
      ded10041948 5 June 2013 20: 16 New
      0
      "Worthy" son of a "worthy" parent! Future candidate for defense ministers!
  17. nemec55
    nemec55 5 June 2013 08: 01 New
    0
    Humpbacked Court. Sentencing. Global Bullet.
  18. kind
    kind 5 June 2013 08: 04 New
    +3
    And by the way, Gorbachev sits on the throne quite often. Only already with their Western friends, who constantly and on a large scale arrange birthdays for him and invite a lot of Western stars, who, in turn, pronounce laudatory odes in honor of the Great Reformer.

    The skin of this skunk of a corrupt one needs to be put up in the State Duma meeting room with the caption- "Do not betray your people and this fate will not befall you!"
    PS Nearby you can hang the skins of Chubais, Serdyukov and the like.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 5 June 2013 08: 33 New
      +1
      Hello, Glory ..
      Imagine, the State Duma will start guided tours - because there - an exhibition of "selfish" business will be.
      Take anyone - yes to the wall and on the wall.
      Starting from this, two posts above.
      1. kind
        kind 5 June 2013 13: 44 New
        +1
        Well, at least some benefit will be. All the profits from the exhibition put into orphanages.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 5 June 2013 08: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Good
      Nearby you can hang the skins of Chubais, Serdyukov and the like.

      Let upholstery, I think, unfortunately, enough for everything and the supply will remain!
  19. nemec55
    nemec55 5 June 2013 08: 32 New
    +2
    You know, it seems to me that the time in which we live now in about thirty years will be perceived as golden or close to that. I think grief we grab after Putin left, you imagine what kind of political war will begin, a war for power. How many children are studying abroad now? How many already unlearned? and how much it will be for us to rub democratic (p.i.nd.so.s.s.k.i.) laws on maral and freedom in our time. SCARY. Here, in my opinion, option 2 (1) of the current government needs to be educated a whole generation of youth, patriots of their country who will come to rule the country and not sell it together with the people. (2) If they do not prepare for a change, there will be a mess worse than the 90s, after which a person like Peter the Great Stalin will come to power.
  20. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 5 June 2013 08: 34 New
    -7
    With Gorbachev, everything is clear. But who did not rejoice in glasnost, perestroika, and something else to the third. Until now, there is a rumble in the ears “a troika is walking across the country ... glasnost, perestroika”, which has been remade into “a troika is walking along the country, Mishka Raika perestroika”. In no case do I defend Gorbachev and I hope he will be given a proper assessment, as Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Lenin gave an assessment with his easy hand. At least someone who lived during the times of the leaders I have listed can say that they did not care about the PEOPLE, about the COUNTRY. And also Gorbachev, I deeply hope that I only wished for the good. Remember: the reduction of armaments, the program "cooperative movement", because it was under this program that China began to develop and we see the result in person. But those who were near Gorbachev did not want to work, but why? Oil, gold, ore, wood, gas are all ours. Download, drink, drink, that is, do what the kings always did. Why new equipment, why think, why work. Already said a lot need to finish. I think on this he got burnt, and then there was no going back.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 5 June 2013 12: 02 New
      +2
      Yes, under Brezhnev, I saw COOP stores. So the cooperatives were in the USSR.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 5 June 2013 13: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      And also Gorbachev, I deeply hope that I only wished for the good. Remember: arms reduction, program ...
      I don’t own the source, but I immediately believed the information that was thrown on the TV of the Russian Federation regarding the content of the lectures that Gorbachev gave to students of American educational institutions in Turkey. It painfully clearly fit into the "matrix of missing events" in my head. It turns out he knew and intentionally harmed, and Raisa was the inspirer of the angel. If someone owns the subject, he can explain if I understood something wrong. I would not want to slander a person.
  21. Fox
    Fox 5 June 2013 08: 34 New
    0
    I’ve flocked a plus, but she’s "wasted" ... they do not read the same article and do not visit such sites.
  22. valokordin
    valokordin 5 June 2013 08: 44 New
    0
    I propose that Putin be awarded the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called for the courage and tireless work of Anatoly Chubais and the Vladimir Kvachkov Medal for Courage
  23. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 5 June 2013 08: 50 New
    0
    For what they fought on and ran into it !! ... And the humpback (especially with a small letter) as a traitor to the Motherland must be judged .... popularly ...... and let other politicians, today. And all that is connected with Gorbachev (his rais, agents mi 6, etc.) is to be exposed, exposed and completely forgotten .... forever ...
  24. andr1966a
    andr1966a 5 June 2013 08: 55 New
    +1
    They used to shoot a bullet in the temple, now they are taking orders. There is NO HONOR for either Gorbachev or Medvedev
  25. nemec55
    nemec55 5 June 2013 08: 58 New
    0
    By the way, there are sites where Leberastas sit, so that they can spit in their faces (through the screen) wassat
    1. Denis
      Denis 5 June 2013 09: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: nemec55
      but there are sites where Leberastas sit
      Here, a very rare trash
      http://news.mail.ru/inregions/moscow/90/incident/13376701/?frommail=1
      they all there are similar to the contents of the State Department
  26. ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 5 June 2013 09: 17 New
    +1
    "... Therefore, hand it over to your" Mikhail Sergeyevich "- let him put the order on the table, as he had once put the party card on the table. Nothing more is required of him - the rest, unfortunately, he did without us ...."

    I agree with the article, do not agree with the last paragraph. Gorbachev is required a few more actions, namely to draw a plate "traitor", hang on his chest, write a penitent letter and soap the rope and hang himself. Then I can forgive him.
  27. Do not care
    Do not care 5 June 2013 09: 20 New
    -22
    Thank Humpback that you can defecate in his comments.
    With communists, even having a copy machine is a crime, but here computers, the Internet ...
    1. Denis
      Denis 5 June 2013 09: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Do not care
      Thank humpback
      So that he ...
      In the USSR, anecdotes about Brezhnev could not be heard or a partog ... didn’t send, or even a little face? Many who languished for this in captivity?
      Sometimes it's better to chew than talk
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 5 June 2013 09: 45 New
      +6
      Quote: Do not care
      With communists, even having a copy machine is a crime, but here computers, the Internet ...

      Milsoudar brought you here, what winds? Probably Western?
      Well about unemployment, homeless people, etc. not added, huh?
      Speaking of a copy machine, is it something personal? And even now have such a color
      the device is not registered is not welcome.
      bully
    3. Denis
      Denis 5 June 2013 10: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Do not care
      having a copy machine is a crime,
      I don’t really know how I lived without her, such a necessity
      1. Do not care
        Do not care 6 June 2013 02: 34 New
        0
        You would go through all the comments on this article and see that psychology is servile: the Tsar in the Kremlin - we pray for him, left the throne - we spit.
        Gorbachev collapsed, Putin gave ... But what themselves. Something I do not recall the protests in 87-91.
        Gorbachev gave a chance to decide our fate ourselves, and we missed this chance. Resignedly gave everything to thieves. Just as February 1917 was given to the Communists.
        Well, no master.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 6 June 2013 17: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Do not care
          And that’s what.

          So I'm interested, but you yourself, you yourself, what did you do to get this moral right to teach others?
          Nick squeezed from a popular song

          or how ?
          1. Do not care
            Do not care 6 June 2013 18: 59 New
            0
            Thank you for the song, I have not heard it.
            I myself gave up quickly. I admit I am sinful. But neither do I want to deceive myself.
            But politicians must be judged while they are in power.
            If one judges “later”, then the current ones have an irresistible desire to remain on the throne for life.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 6 June 2013 20: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Do not care
              current ones have an irresistible desire to remain on the throne for life.

              You might think they have no desire now ?!
  28. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 5 June 2013 10: 06 New
    +2
    If Medvedev was smarter, he would never give the order to Gorbachev, he must understand that by doing this he committed political suicide. It seems to me that Medvedev is not a very smart person, a kind of useful fool under Putin, like a dog to execute commands, but his independent initiatives are absolutely worthless and stupid. I won’t be surprised if the GDP itself made Dima the Fool hand him the Order to Gorbachev, and at that time he neighed over two idiots, it was important to puff out his cheeks.
    1. Denis
      Denis 5 June 2013 10: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: Standard Oil
      If Medvedev were smarter
      Are you talking about this?
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 5 June 2013 11: 05 New
      0
      I’ll agree with you, but tell me, fool, why give a bald order? To just embarrass an iPhone? Or deflection before the western masters? What it is?
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 5 June 2013 11: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Standard Oil
      If Medvedev were smarter

      The state of underestimation of the enemy stems from a vague idea of ​​the real strength of the enemy. Underestimating the enemy is the source of defeat!
  29. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 5 June 2013 10: 46 New
    +2
    dreaming of becoming hockey players and astronauts, not businessmen and officials.

    You are mistaken, dear. In the days of Gorbachev-Yeltsin, the most popular professions are prostitutes and re-enactors ...
  30. wano67nikolay
    wano67nikolay 5 June 2013 10: 50 New
    +2
    Both Medvedev, Putin, and Gorbachev are all liberals, guys. They themselves have repeatedly stated this, including Putin. Therefore, Medvedev cannot be smarter, because he is sick with liberalism. For him, Gorbachev is a saint, because he destroyed the USSR and humiliated the Russians. For any liberal, this is the basis of a worldview, like oxygen for breathing. They hate everything Russian and love everyone who has done something bad for the Russians. They love Hitler, many secretly, many obviously, but they all hate Stalin, including Putin.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 5 June 2013 11: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: wano67nikolay
      And Medvedev, Putin and Gorbachev are all liberals,

      Simplify my friend, very much simplify!
      In politics, my dear, —you know this, as I do — there are no people, but ideas; no feelings, but interests. In politics, they do not kill a person, but eliminate an obstacle, that's all. ...

      Is that familiar?
      Even now, Papa Sue does not shy away from liberal ideas. Fashion is like that now!
      Do you think these immortal words do not know?
    2. DominusAstra
      DominusAstra 5 June 2013 14: 20 New
      0
      Putin and Medvedev never called themselves liberals, a lie. They are conservatives.
  31. wano67nikolay
    wano67nikolay 5 June 2013 11: 34 New
    +2
    Yes, why simplify. Judge them according to their deeds. If you think that Putin is a patriot and disguises himself very strongly as a liberal, then is he not disguising himself too much, so you can tear his motherland out as a disguise.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 5 June 2013 14: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: wano67nikolay
      If you think Putin ...

      Again you are not talking about that. GDP is a politician, and a politician (politician) is a person who is professionally engaged in political activity, where political activity is the interaction of individuals and groups organized and performing power functions.
      here in such an acceptance!

      Peacocks speak ?!

  32. Mhpv
    Mhpv 5 June 2013 11: 37 New
    +2
    The plague peddler. laughing
    Early rejoiced geyropa over the collapse of the USSR.
    He sowed the seeds of LGBT. laughing
    Double agent of the USA. bully
  33. Dromac
    Dromac 5 June 2013 11: 45 New
    0
    Life will judge us all, put everything on the shelves. Gorbachev, of course, is a complete Mr. as a leader, or rather a traitor. But someone also elected him to the post. In the 80s, the apparatus began to decompose, there were no strong and worthy personalities, unfortunately. I think she would have collapsed without the Americans. We needed a change in the state. And without smart statesmen, this is unlikely. Therefore, there was perestroika and glasnost .... About the Yeltsin period, I generally am silent. One name. It’s a shame to say that the country was led by a daughter of Yeltsin and her husband and well-known Jews (one in Israel, the other recently ended).
    I regard Putin positively. Smart and cunning politician. Still to clean around and at the moment there would be a sweetie. We are not all ideals. And our leader too. If only because I couldn’t put together a normal working team for all the time I was in power. The problem is in the frames. People have forgotten how to think about the state. Money has come first. In general, in my opinion, the right people in power, to whom there is trust, can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
    1. Gari
      Gari 5 June 2013 12: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Dromac
      In the 80s, the apparatus began to decompose, there were no strong and worthy personalities, unfortunately.


      Dear, didn’t you read, because now so much has been written about how this bastard led to the top, about the sudden deaths and illnesses of others who stood or could stand in his way
  34. a
    a 5 June 2013 11: 54 New
    +2
    However, forgive me such volatility, I completely forgot that the hands of today's liberals are not created for work, blood from labor corns did not flow through their palms - they are creative intelligentsia, not some kind of black people.

    ___________________________________________________________________

    He worked as a loader, worked on working specialties before and after graduation. hands were in calluses. never shunned the rough work. but a liberal in fact. so that you don’t have to row all in one pile. you made a rogue from the liberals. but this is not so. among them a large number of people are very patriotic. only they, like me, do not separate their patriotism from such concepts as freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of movement.
    you'd better pay attention to the officials. there are no “liberals” or “patriots” among them. for most of them there is only one concept - money. that’s the real enemy of both “liberals” and “patriots”.
    as for the article itself, I think that of course Gorbachev is to blame for the collapse of the country. but only partially. partly because it is a product of the Soviet communist system. this system gave birth to the leader who buried this system. the system led to the degeneration of strong, persistent personalities. if Gorbachev was the top of the system, then you can imagine what kind of people were ranked a little lower. even weaker, even more miserable. Gorbachev, of course, is to blame. But it’s not his fault that he was a freak in such a system
  35. ed65b
    ed65b 5 June 2013 12: 04 New
    +1
    even if the GDP refers to Stalin normally, he will not say this. Status is not the same.
    1. wano67nikolay
      wano67nikolay 5 June 2013 12: 46 New
      +3
      And what other status does he need in order to honestly speak? Is he the president or x ... dog? And if he is afraid of the West to such an extent, then what for do we need him so much? Stalin did not have nuclear weapons until 1949 and the country was destroyed several times and he was not afraid of anyone, but he did his job and made it a great power. And Putin, in 13 years, what has he done except verbiage? Oligakhov bred like rabbits. People are growing poor, infrastructure is pouring in, grandmas are all going to the West, etc.
      You say that Gorbachev is not a product of the system, but who decomposed the system? Such as Gorbachev and do not whitewash him. And when was the system effective? By your own logic, it turns out that under Stalin. So Putin does not reproduce it with the necessary changes, but disengages from Stalin and makes friends with Kudrin?
      And as for the collapse of the Union. In 1941, the crisis was worse, but the country did not break up, and in 1991 there was nothing wrong, but it was deliberately and deliberately destroyed by the traitor Gorbachev and his gang. The USSR could calmly continue to exist, but like a dumb addict’s head kills his healthy body, so dumb Gorbachev's head killed the body of the USSR.
      1. DominusAstra
        DominusAstra 5 June 2013 14: 13 New
        -2
        "Gorbachev and his gang. The USSR could calmly continue to exist, but just as the dumb head of a drug addict kills his healthy body, so the dumb head of Gorbachev killed the body of the USSR."
        A new word in analytics. Radical criticism of Gorbachev in the back streets of the Internet.

        "And what has Putin done in 13 years besides verbiage?"
        The revival of the defense industry, tax reform, the adoption of the most important legal acts (CPC at least), an independent foreign policy, and deepening relations with Germany and China.
        That is enough.

        "The people are growing poor"
        You are blatantly lying. Was that what you were taught in the USSR to do?
        http://www.mk.ru/daily/newspaper/article/2012/12/16/788053-zarplatyi-rossiyan-vy
        irosli-v-10-raz.html
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 5 June 2013 14: 04 New
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      even if the GDP refers to Stalin normally, he will not say this. Status is not the same.
      He will say more, there was already a rather "thick" hint from him. The processes of separation of Stalin’s court ideologists from Lenin (although Stalin didn’t separate himself from Lenin), Stalin from the specific historical situation, and soon the next step is the separation of Stalin from Stalin. Leave only the "iron hand" and the Gulag. "Ah, you wanted Stalin - get ..."
  36. akm8226
    akm8226 5 June 2013 12: 35 New
    +2
    Tell Mr. Gorbachev that we will certainly judge him. Sooner or later, by our or the highest court, but without fail. So let him die in a foreign land and not even think about returning to Russia. In my opinion, the most correct decision is to deprive this Russian citizenship.
    Just refuse.
    No explanation.
    Forever.
    1. DominusAstra
      DominusAstra 5 June 2013 14: 17 New
      -3
      Nobody will hear you anyway, and no one will transmit anything to him. And why did you write this?
  37. Homeless
    Homeless 5 June 2013 12: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: fenix57
    +++ Liked though
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Tired of a hunchback, burying and forgetting would be the most correct regarding Judas
    -Support!
    And let the liberotolerants "knock over" to their idol and sing praises to him


    No, let them not get knocked down, I think they should be evicted from Russia, deprived of citizenship, and figs out.
    1. DominusAstra
      DominusAstra 5 June 2013 13: 36 New
      +1
      "And we will shoot Jews and commissars!" (from)
      How long have you had such bold fantasies? The liberals didn’t ruin the country, but the silent majority like you. They are for what?
  38. Garysit
    Garysit 5 June 2013 13: 04 New
    0
    Only we ourselves can free us from the hatred of the “liberated Gorbachev” !!!!
  39. aviamed90
    aviamed90 5 June 2013 13: 11 New
    +1
    "Who will free us from the hatred of the" liberated Gorbachev "?"

    And why should we, supposedly "liberated" (from the homeland, justice, conscience, humanity, etc.), be freed from hatred of Mr. Gorbachev if he deserves it?
  40. DominusAstra
    DominusAstra 5 June 2013 13: 33 New
    -3
    Your own country was ruined by your own elite, who stole so much that many modern officials would be choked with envy.
    Remember the "cotton case", the "Eliseevsky case", the "Sochi case".
    Gorbachev has nothing to do with it. The country was not destroyed by liberals, but by your beloved leaders. According to Luneev, the level of corruption from 1953 to 1981 increased by 45 times. Only Andropov recognized the problem, he began the struggle. Gorbachev continued it.
    I am grateful to Gorbachev for the fact that the country, which had no prospects for development, was replaced by the modern Russian Federation.
    1. wano67nikolay
      wano67nikolay 5 June 2013 13: 37 New
      +1
      And what are the prospects for the current RF?
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          1. DominusAstra
            DominusAstra 5 June 2013 13: 55 New
            -2
            How long have you had such thoughts? Of course, such a stage of mental disorder is no longer being treated, but you may feel better.
            By the end of Chernenko’s reign, alcohol consumption was 10.5 liters per person, and according to some reports, fourteen. This is approximately 90-100 bottles of vodka per year. But what are you, this is not drunkenness. This free Soviet man built socialism in a single person.
            Top-level corruption in the USSR and the abovementioned cases are not crime. This free Soviet leadership so struggled with social inequality.
            There was no food in the stores, but it was not a flaw in the stupid economic system sharpened by the military-industrial complex, but the fight against gastritis, yes.
            Continue to fantasize further. It is not dangerous to others. Usually.
            But the USSR could not cooperate with Japan, as well as integrate into Europe and build a rule of law. Well, as if in fact. But you are hardly aware of this.
            1. wano67nikolay
              wano67nikolay 5 June 2013 14: 01 New
              0
              Integrate with pederasts - thanks no. And for the rest, kid, I lived there, and you palm off other quotes on me. I can compare. Well, the fact that liberalism is a contagious disease, now everyone knows. You are sick of her. She is being treated with greenback on her forehead. Go teach a primer in your native Jerusalem.
              1. DominusAstra
                DominusAstra 5 June 2013 14: 14 New
                -1
                Pkh. And I'm not a liberal, but a conservative. But you don’t see the difference. After all, you studied in the USSR.

                "Integrate with the pederasts - no thanks."
                SHOCK IN EUROPE ALL PEDERASTS ONE SHOWER WAS NORMAL, SEE UNTIL REMOVED
                It only emphasizes your failure and amuse me.

                "And for the rest, kid, I lived there"
                Yes, he lived happily in ignorance, because the Soviet leadership was silent about everything that was inconvenient to him. There is nothing to be proud of, I am protecting - it’s like recognizing that being a slave is good.
                In general, admit that you merged and turned to insults because you have run out of arguments.
                1. DominusAstra
                  DominusAstra 5 June 2013 14: 42 New
                  0
                  Again scoops buhurt.
        2. ded10041948
          ded10041948 5 June 2013 20: 37 New
          0
          Diagnosis: Hopeless!
      2. Kapitanyuk
        Kapitanyuk 5 June 2013 13: 43 New
        0
        Large: we build democracy, in which we succeed, we develop capitalism. All the problems are from youth: we are not the United States, for example, who began to take this path 300 years ago - we are only 20. You just need to be patient and wait.
        1. DominusAstra
          DominusAstra 5 June 2013 13: 44 New
          -3
          They do not want such prospects. They again want to be beings without the right to vote and with their ears closed.
        2. wano67nikolay
          wano67nikolay 5 June 2013 13: 49 New
          0
          Similar to the previous comment. I'm from the liberals bastard. Look around. You live in hell. Everyone steals, everyone fights, everyone doesn’t give a damn about everything, plasticine food, you won’t let the children out, on TV one bl ... o. Is this the happiness of democracy?
          1. Kapitanyuk
            Kapitanyuk 5 June 2013 13: 51 New
            -3
            Eeee ... Nuuu ... To be honest, I like everything in my life. You are probably confusing Russia with some other country. In my Russia, everything suits me. : 3
            1. wano67nikolay
              wano67nikolay 5 June 2013 13: 52 New
              -1
              Then there are no questions
            2. aviamed90
              aviamed90 5 June 2013 13: 57 New
              0
              Kapitanyuku

              Have you tried to analyze what you like so much in today's Russia?

              Or again - "Eeee ... Nuuu ..."?
              1. DominusAstra
                DominusAstra 5 June 2013 14: 03 New
                -4
                1. The presence of serious prospects.
                2. The course towards building a rule of law and civil society.
                3. Prospects in foreign relations with Asian countries.
                4. The desire for modernization.
                5. The ongoing fight against corruption.
                6. Progressive legislation.
                7. The state of affairs in my city.
                8. The fight against smoking and alcoholism.
                9. The revival of the defense industry, the desire to build an innovative economy.
                Continue? I’m afraid that you did not analyze the state of affairs in the USSR of the eighties.
          2. DominusAstra
            DominusAstra 5 June 2013 13: 58 New
            -3
            Pkh. This is because you are watching REN-TV on TV. Watch good, interesting channels like Discovery, "Stars" and "Culture", maybe then you stop whining.
            "Everyone is stealing."
            Soviet legacy. I already wrote about it, by the way. Also, all normal people in Moscow quietly let the children go for a walk and are happy, but of course you can continue to whine and want to be enslaved again.
    2. Kapitanyuk
      Kapitanyuk 5 June 2013 13: 39 New
      -2
      I fully support, only, I'm afraid, you are now recognized as an oligarch / spy of the State Department / hipstor with Bolotnaya and showered with minuses. What can you do, such a contingent.
  41. Vtel
    Vtel 5 June 2013 13: 48 New
    -2
    Humpback to the answer! To the answer, and those who awarded him are liberal associates.
    1. DominusAstra
      DominusAstra 5 June 2013 13: 59 New
      -2
      You, for example. People like you ruined the country with their silence. Where were you in 1991?
      1. DominusAstra
        DominusAstra 5 June 2013 14: 19 New
        -4
        Oh, someone got hot.
        After all, they probably watched TV in 1991, and did not defend their favorite mode.
      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 5 June 2013 14: 25 New
        +4
        DominusAstra

        I will answer for Vtel.

        I was sitting in the bunker of the KP of the fighter-bomber regiment in the Far East and I had a full-suspension Su-17m4 squadron (BK-1) in touch, because Japan, China and South Korea, so beloved by you, together with the American contingent, were also in readiness Number 1.
        He sat and waited for when our wise "communist" comrade Gorbachev made a competent state decision! But did not wait!
        He even held a referendum on the preservation of the USSR, at which most of the citizens spoke out against the collapse of the country. And this "comrade" just wiped out the results of this referendum!
        And one fine morning I woke up not in my country, but in the Russian Federation invented by Yeltsin!

        So, I and many like myself, had to give a command to the combat sorties of those aircraft?

        And if I gave such a command, we would not be communicating so kindly on this forum.
        1. DominusAstra
          DominusAstra 5 June 2013 14: 30 New
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          Well, I’ll have no complaints against you.
          I just do not like those who blame the collapse of the country on Gorbachev alone, forgetting and thereby justify the stealing nomenclature elite.
          Whatever decision was made then, Gorbachev, it would be unsuccessful. The Soviet system could not be reanimated, the outskirts had already begun to split.
          "We would not communicate with you." You wouldn’t change anything, so you communicated in the same way.

          But why did people who could go and support the Emergency Committee sit at home? Now they are sitting in their comfortable apartments and are calling for reprisal on the Internet. correspondence box is there.
          The Soviet system was hopeless, and its current supporters, "potreot", are even more hopeless.
          Yes, I like Japan and China. Rich culture and history, developed economy, curious political systems. More successful than the Soviet, as practice has shown.
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 5 June 2013 14: 43 New
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            Then, to whom do you address your claims?

            Most of the citizens performed their work during this period according to their profession: doctors treated, teachers taught, workers worked, etc.

            Or did they have to get up, take up arms and arrange a massacre? Is this really the best way out?

            And there was a way out!
            Look at China! But our beloved Secretary General (and then the President of the USSR) deprived his people of this opportunity.
            And this is only his fault. After all, he is the head of state! He is responsible for the country and for everything that is happening in it.

            And by the way, no one denies the vices and ulcers of the Soviet system. It all was! But SCALE! And if we compare the scale of all this disgrace in the USSR and in today's Russia, Russia will lose by orders of magnitude, if not hundreds of orders.

            All those people who lived in the USSR are trying to tell you about this.

            And about Japan and China - yes to health! Love me please!
            But do not forget that in Russia (the USSR) history and culture are no worse, or perhaps richer, than those of our neighbors.
            1. DominusAstra
              DominusAstra 5 June 2013 14: 47 New
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              "And by the way, no one denies the vices and ulcers of the Soviet system. It all happened! But the scale! And if you compare the scale of all this disgrace in the USSR and in today's Russia - Russia will lose by orders of magnitude, if not hundreds of orders."
              Not. Now there are prospects. Then they were gone. Reforms like that. Chinese, it was necessary to carry out earlier, even Brezhnev.
              Now the situation is much better: the outskirts do not fall off, the country is quietly recovering.
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 5 June 2013 15: 40 New
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                DominusAstra

                And no one objects to you - Leonid Ilyich also had mistakes. But these were not FATAL errors and as a result of them the country did not fall apart!

                What prospects are you talking about right now? I do not understand. Name them!

                Outskirts don't fall apart?

                Take a trip to Kazan and Ufa and see how they feel about Russians there (not very good).

                Take a trip to Dagestan, Chechnya, Karachay-Cherkessia! Whatever the day is the "liquidation of the militants" (as if they are sharing budding!). There is no work - but everyone lives better than in native Russia. Moscow pays! Pays from our taxes with you! Just like the king paid Shamil in due time. But money does not solve all problems. Money will end and they will leave.

                In general, everyone forgot about the Far East and Siberia. What is going on there - only God knows!

                What is being restored? Do you mean industry?
                We are producing a lot of oil, and None of the refineries for its processing in EURO-4 or EURO-5 have not been built (or rather, the owners of this oil). Belarus does it for us.

                And the rest of the industry? We leave on what was built in the USSR. But this reserve will end soon. And all these slogans like "Gazprom is a national treasure" are for the demented! The owner is no longer the people (which contradicts the Constitution of the Russian Federation). The state has only 38,37% (Federal Property Management Agency) and 10,74% (Rosneftegaz), i.e. - 49.11%! Not even a controlling stake.

                What is built over these 20 years? What is something comparable with DneproGES, Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station, Magnitogorsk, BAM, Baikonur, Stan-2000, etc.? And you can call it all outdated as much as you like, but we still use it! Rather, those who own them.
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                2. DominusAstra
                  DominusAstra 5 June 2013 15: 49 New
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                  My second cousins ​​live in Kazan. And comrade. Russian, they are normal.
                  This is a disability argument.

                  "What has been built over these 20 years? What is something comparable with the Dnieper hydroelectric station, the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric station, Magnitogorsk, BAM, Baikonur, Stan-2000, etc.? And you can call it all outdated, but we we still use it! Or rather, those who own them. "

                  Vostochny Cosmodrome, Kaliningrad NPP, Bushehr nuclear power plant at least.

                  Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.


                  All this has not been built for 10 years actually.

                  If you can read in English - Angie.

                  "Take a trip to Dagestan, Chechnya, Karachay-Cherkessia! Whatever the day is the" liquidation of the militants "(as if they share budding!). There is no work - but everyone lives better than in native Russia. Moscow pays! It pays from ours with you taxes! Just like the king paid Shamil in due time. But money doesn’t solve all problems. Money will end and they will leave. "

                  Who-ko-ko, enough to feed the Caucasus? He brings us a big income due to oil production. The region needs to be restored, and this, imagine, is not free.

                  "About the Far East and Siberia, in general, everyone forgot. What is happening there - only God knows!"
                  That is why the Ministry for the Development of the Far East was created in the structure of executive bodies of the Russian Federation.


                  "And the rest of the industry? We are leaving on what was built in the USSR. But this reserve will end soon. And all these slogans such as Gazprom is a national treasure are for the weak-minded! The owner has long been no people (which contradicts the Constitution of the Russian Federation). The state has only 38,37% (Federal Property Management Agency) and 10,74% (Rosneftegaz), that is - 49.11%! Not even a controlling stake. "
                  As they sold abroad under the Union, so they sell. Nothing new. as if everything belonged to the people there, yeah.

                  "Outskirts don't fall apart?"
                  Not. Everything is very calm there.

                  "Not fatal"
                  Well, yes, the growth of corruption 45 times - this is so, nonsense. I shake hands, not very out of a lie.
                  1. aviamed90
                    aviamed90 5 June 2013 16: 56 New
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                    DominusAstra

                    Want specifically? The points? You are welcome!

                    The Vostochny Cosmodrome, as well as the Kaliningrad (Baltic) NPPs are only under construction. And when they will be built, then bring them as the merits of the new Russia.
                    In addition, many specialists have doubts about the successful completion of the construction of the East - because, stupidly, there is no estimate for the construction (read - there is enough information).
                    The Bushehr nuclear power plant began to be built in the distant 1975, the Soviet Union, not so beloved by you. Yes - completed in 2010! But look at the map - where is the glorious city of Bushehr located? And he is in Iran! Agree that Iran and Russia are two different powers!

                    About the Caucasus.
                    So why should this region be restored at the expense of other members of the federation? And you name at least one industry that flourishes in these republics? Moreover, citizens of them flooded the whole country from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok. And you can understand them - there is no work, but you have to live. But they don’t want to do anything at home! What for? Why work on a machine and produce something when you can trade flowers and vegetables in the market? And work is for the Russians!

                    About oil in the Caucasus.
                    In 2012, Russia produced about 517 million tons of oil, including:
                    - in Dagestan - about 193,9 thousand tons;
                    - in Chechnya - about 1560 thousand tons
                    Calculate the percentage yourself.
                    And more than half was stolen and obtained illegally (no one counted).

                    About the Ministry of Development of the Far East. Do not make me laugh! Even the President of the Russian Federation admitted that he doesn’t do anything at all (the Presidium of the State Council of the Russian Federation in November 2012)!

                    But I think, why are they representatives of the respective nationalities in all leading positions in Bashkiria and Tatarstan? Probably, the Russians, by their mental abilities, can not cope with the leading and well-paid job!

                    Next.
                    Your words:
                    "As they sold abroad under the Union, they are selling. Nothing new. As if everything there belonged to the people, yeah."

                    Yes. They sold. And all the money went to the budget of the country! And it is not our fault that the Saudis lowered the oil rate (as you know, this is one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR economy). And there is a culprit. And his guilt is proven. This is the USA.
                    But at the same time, no one bought football clubs and did not fatten on their own yachts. Under the Union, something would be torn off at once for such things!

                    On the outskirts.
                    Why don’t you go to ski resorts in Karachay-Cherkessia? And more and more in Sochi (where are the bright nights and sky-high prices)? After all, are Karachais all cheaper? But why don’t you go to Chechnya to visit museums of ethnography? After all, this is informative!

                    About corruption.
                    Did you yourself calculate the growth of corruption in the USSR? Where does this data come from?
                    And you count the growth of corruption in the Russian Federation! And compare! This is useful!
                    1. DominusAstra
                      DominusAstra 5 June 2013 17: 22 New
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                      “Vostochny Cosmodrome, as well as the Kaliningrad (Baltic) NPPs are only being built. And when they are built, then bring them as the merits of the new Russia.
                      In addition, many specialists have doubts about the successful completion of the construction of the East - because, stupidly, there is no estimate for the construction (read - there is enough information).
                      The Bushehr nuclear power plant began to be built in the distant 1975, the Soviet Union, not so beloved by you. Yes - completed in 2010! But look at the map - where is the glorious city of Bushehr located? And he is in Iran! Agree that Iran and Russia are two different powers! "

                      Yeah, that is, built over many Soviet years, you can give an example, but promising projects of the near future - it is impossible? We are talking about modern Russia, so I count 20 years. Putin and Medvedev as president are only 12. Moreover, construction is construction, there is no reason not to finish it.
                      About Iran - do you know the concept of "GNP"? In addition, this strengthens the position of the Russian Federation in the Middle East.

                      "Yes. They were selling. And all the money went to the budget of the country! And it is not our fault that the Saudis lowered the oil rate (as you know, this is one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR economy). But there is a culprit. And his fault is proved. It's the United States. .
                      But at the same time, no one bought football clubs and did not fatten on their own yachts. With the Union, something would be torn off immediately for such things! "

                      So what? The owner of the enterprise has the right to spend money as he pleases. There were no private owners in the USSR, so they did not spend.
                      I didn’t fatten on yachts, but the director of Eliseevsky’s furnished his apartment. Now 75% of oil sales go to the budget of the Russian Federation in the form of taxes.

                      "On the outskirts.
                      Why don’t you go to ski resorts in Karachay-Cherkessia? And more and more in Sochi (where are the bright nights and sky-high prices)? After all, are Karachais all cheaper? And why do not you go to Chechnya to visit museums of ethnography? It’s informative! "

                      I don’t go to resorts at all. Have you ever heard that you need infrastructure to relax? She is not in Chechnya.
                      Besides, I'm talking about secession, and you are talking about tourism. Rave.

                      "But I think, why are they representatives of the corresponding nationalities in all leading positions in Bashkiria and Tatarstan? Probably, the Russians, by their mental abilities, cannot cope with the leading and well-paid job!"

                      And what, is there any kind of ban on Russian leadership positions? I think the fact is that in RT most of the citizens are Tatars, not Russians.

                      "You yourself calculated the growth of corruption in the USSR? Where did such data come from?"
                      Russian criminologist Luneev, "Crime in the twentieth century." Why invent when everything is calculated by experts?

                      Heh, it is not gaining 45 times growth in the Russian Federation.
                      Over the past four years, it has generally decreased, judging by the data of the General Prosecutor's Office.
                    2. DominusAstra
                      DominusAstra 5 June 2013 17: 23 New
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                      “Vostochny Cosmodrome, as well as the Kaliningrad (Baltic) NPPs are only being built. And when they are built, then bring them as the merits of the new Russia.
                      In addition, many specialists have doubts about the successful completion of the construction of the East - because, stupidly, there is no estimate for the construction (read - there is enough information).
                      The Bushehr nuclear power plant began to be built in the distant 1975, the Soviet Union, not so beloved by you. Yes - completed in 2010! But look at the map - where is the glorious city of Bushehr located? And he is in Iran! Agree that Iran and Russia are two different powers! "

                      Yeah, that is, built over many Soviet years, you can give an example, but promising projects of the near future - it is impossible? We are talking about modern Russia, so I count 20 years. Putin and Medvedev as president are only 12. Moreover, construction is construction, there is no reason not to finish it.
                      About Iran - do you know the concept of "GNP"? In addition, this strengthens the position of the Russian Federation in the Middle East.

                      "Yes. They were selling. And all the money went to the budget of the country! And it is not our fault that the Saudis lowered the oil rate (as you know, this is one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR economy). But there is a culprit. And his fault is proved. It's the United States. .
                      But at the same time, no one bought football clubs and did not fatten on their own yachts. With the Union, something would be torn off immediately for such things! "

                      So what? The owner of the enterprise has the right to spend money as he pleases. There were no private owners in the USSR, so they did not spend.
                      I didn’t fatten on yachts, but the director of Eliseevsky’s furnished his apartment. Now 75% of oil sales go to the budget of the Russian Federation in the form of taxes.

                      "On the outskirts.
                      Why don’t you go to ski resorts in Karachay-Cherkessia? And more and more in Sochi (where are the bright nights and sky-high prices)? After all, are Karachais all cheaper? And why do not you go to Chechnya to visit museums of ethnography? It’s informative! "

                      I don’t go to resorts at all. Have you ever heard that you need infrastructure to relax? She is not in Chechnya.
                      Besides, I'm talking about secession, and you are talking about tourism. Rave.

                      "But I think, why are they representatives of the corresponding nationalities in all leading positions in Bashkiria and Tatarstan? Probably, the Russians, by their mental abilities, cannot cope with the leading and well-paid job!"

                      And what, is there any kind of ban on Russian leadership positions? I think the fact is that in RT most of the citizens are Tatars, not Russians.

                      "You yourself calculated the growth of corruption in the USSR? Where did such data come from?"
                      Russian criminologist Luneev, "Crime in the twentieth century." Why invent when everything is calculated by experts?

                      Heh, it is not gaining 45 times growth in the Russian Federation.
                      Over the past four years, it has generally decreased, judging by the data of the General Prosecutor's Office.
                  2. Denis
                    Denis 6 June 2013 07: 24 New
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                    Quote: DominusAstra
                    Bushehr nuclear plant
                    Then the dome of Melenium, nothing in London, there
                3. rainufa
                  rainufa 5 June 2013 18: 16 New
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                  I won’t say anything about Kazan, but as for Ufa, it’s a FALSE of the Bashkirs that they always have a good and brotherly attitude towards Russians!

                  Bashkirs feel their involvement in the great Russian culture and consider themselves Russian Russians!

                  And by the way, there are more Russians living in Ufa than the Bashkirs themselves fellow

                  The state has only 38,37% (Federal Property Management Agency) and 10,74% (Rosneftegaz), i.e. - 49.11%! Not even a controlling stake
                  Do you think that 50.89% belongs to some kind of moneybag ?! These shares are scattered and belong to various groups, and it turns out that the majority is still owned by the state.
              2. PatriotRusi
                PatriotRusi 5 June 2013 16: 47 New
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                It would be better to send this money to pensioners and doctors. Window dressing. Clumsy made layout with Chinese filling, machines do not work, no workers. An optimist in Russia may be either or Judas. I hope you are.
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 5 June 2013 14: 47 New
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            Quote: DominusAstra
            Yes, I like Japan and China. Rich culture and history, developed economy, curious political systems. More successful than the Soviet practice has shown

            I will not say anything about Japan, but China! Where did you find differences with the Soviet one in it?
            One thing was true, we have the Secretary General’s chair, it’s a pity it wasn’t electric, Gorby sat down, and they have Dan !!!
            All !
            And some will deny the role of personality in history ?!
            True, this requires very specific conditions, but here they were!
            hi
            1. Denis
              Denis 6 June 2013 07: 29 New
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              Quote: Cynic
              Where did you find differences with the Soviet one in it?
              As far as it is known, corruption is not particularly ceremonial there. It is they who fight, and do not call to fight, and the term for it is not conditionally ridiculous up to the highest measure
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 6 June 2013 17: 01 New
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                Quote: Denis
                As far as it is known, corruption is not particularly ceremonial there ... until the death penalty

                Why down? Basically they shoot!

                So what ?
                Sorry, but not an argument.
          3. ded10041948
            ded10041948 5 June 2013 20: 47 New
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            Well, go! The sooner you roll away, the sooner the air will begin to clear!
        2. ded10041948
          ded10041948 5 June 2013 20: 46 New
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          And I was deploying a cropped division and preparing missiles for combat use, hoping that I could manage to bring their number to at least 1,5 ammunition!
      3. Vtel
        Vtel 5 June 2013 14: 58 New
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        And you kid can see their descendant. At that time I was far from Moscow, and when you were still sitting on the pot, I already passed and plowed a lot, but I can’t justify myself. Just in time for the topic, I want to note that Humpbacked should lose his rewards for the collapse of the country, but we should not forget about the current elite that awarded him.
        1. DominusAstra
          DominusAstra 5 June 2013 15: 39 New
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          "Their descendant"
          Whom? None of my kin desires passionately for the return of that powerful, bright country.
          1. ded10041948
            ded10041948 6 June 2013 06: 38 New
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            No wonder they say that an apple does not fall far from an apple tree!
        2. Denis
          Denis 6 June 2013 07: 31 New
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          Quote: Vtel
          but do not forget about the current elite that awarded him
          And about many of us, naive fools who believed him
  42. faraon
    faraon 5 June 2013 15: 15 New
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    I blame Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and others for taking the country out of cancer for the sake of the United States. Because they undermined Russia's defense, For all those who were thrown overboard like an extra ballast: engineers, doctors, teachers. For the perestroika that grew in poverty.
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  43. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 5 June 2013 15: 37 New
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    from the Don.
    Only the grave will correct the hunchbacked one. There is nothing more to add!
  44. V. Salama
    V. Salama 5 June 2013 15: 37 New
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    http://topwar.ru/28482-kak-raspoznat-idiota-vo-vremya-diskussii.html Недавно ведь обсуждали эту тем. Многие отрицали её актульность, непонятно было значит зачем. Заполучите тогда... Обсуждаем, критикуем, может пора учиться приходить к совместным выводам и самим "самоочищаться" в рамках "Военного обозрения". Ну, а так, если не ленивые,то продолжайте. "Часто моется тот, кому лень чесаться". Обидно за сайт.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 5 June 2013 15: 43 New
      +1
      Simply, not everyone was imbued - there were absent ones, "brand new" ones came.
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 6 June 2013 14: 39 New
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        Quote: aviamed90
        ... the "new ones" came.
        And I tried to warn who came. In the first post, it was clear - either "and ... t" or the troll (the methods are similar, the troll has a wider range, although it is mowed under I. so as not to be unmasked). The first is harder, you can’t catch the contradictions, you have to refute almost every word, there isn’t any line ("one can ... ask so many questions that forty wise men will not answer" - this seems to be a proverb). I didn’t “take the baton” because of time pressure, that is - I give advice myself and often do not follow them.
  45. DmitriRazumov
    DmitriRazumov 5 June 2013 15: 56 New
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    I completely forgot that the hands of today's liberals are not created for work, blood from labor corns did not flow through their palms - they are creative intelligentsia, not some kind of black people.

    Creative intelligentsia are those who create, create, i.e. designs rockets and ships, writes complex software for serious applications (space, combat control systems, etc.), in the end, creates works of art (please do not confuse with painted toilets). remain in the memory of the people for centuries. And those who, excuse me, only ... that everything is bad with us and was even worse under the USSR, without creating anything on our own - this is not creative intelligentsia, these are idlers, idlers and parasites ...
  46. Mhpv
    Mhpv 5 June 2013 16: 07 New
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    Statements by Gorbachev M.S., the first President of the USSR in the selection of the Politburo section of the Pearl.ru site
    While still General Secretary of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Mikhail Sergeyevich issued a whole bunch of pearls, among which the immortal "who is hu" and "when, then" ... :-)

    • And I warned: it’s time for our citizens to come to the conclusion that it is so godless to walk, not to regret either ourselves or relatives - this is unacceptable. (About mass poisoning with surrogate vodka).

    • I leave you fertilized ... (At a meeting with residents of another city during a trip around the country).

    • Now I will go with an even bigger visor!

    • We were all there. Fifty-four European states. Already after, no, thirty-five, sorry, fifty-four - this is now when the Soviet Union. Thirty-five states. (At a press conference at AiF, 1999).

    • Give, I will say what I said.

    • She needs to, so that’s what it is.

    • These organizations and foundations (non-governmental) are used to calmly come here and do something with unclean hands.

    • How will he shape those who will rule Russia?

    • As a rule, those who have buttons now are normal people. (On the current situation of nuclear energy).

    • How did I get into politics? He brought the upper classes to meet the water - then it was an event! He broke the lesson, but approved the Komsomol district committee.

    • I like Putin. Character ... Clever turned out to be ...

    • The people have already clarified who is pulling back the country, who has thrown us this life.

    • But they are not going to fight against us, nor are we against them, in the end, neighbors, and let's because of this relationship, in the end.

    • The booze was everywhere. Both in production and in departments. I know this from the work of Raisa Maximovna. ("Results" No. 4, 1996).

    • Reforms must be completed by the one who started them. And I started them!

    • Russian becomes frank only with a glass or a glass. The anti-alcohol campaign is over, and I can have a drink.

    • It had to go. Take any question: property, publicity, husband and wife, or woman and man. All this and all that we touched upon - Gorbachev is to blame for everything. And so it was impossible to stay. ("Hero of the day without a tie", NTV, 1998).

    • I am in this case with Jesus Christ. He was the first socialist with us. There is nothing to be done.

    • I will answer you in the Gorbachev style. You know that it will be more difficult than a simple answer. ("AIF" No. 19, 1998).

    • I think that if Chernenko weren’t there, he should have been invented.

    • I suggested, as is traditionally the case, to drink for women: for very young, for young, for mature. But he suggested during a toast, to prevent women from taking power, to make them all happy.

    © Alex Webber, Perly.ru. When using the site’s materials on the Internet, including images, an open hyperlink to perly.ru is required! Who does not deliver - damn! laughing
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 5 June 2013 17: 57 New
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      MCHPV

      Thanks for the selection!

      I directly remembered perestroika times! Nostalgia, you understand!
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  48. slaventi
    slaventi 5 June 2013 16: 27 New
    +4
    I said "Brokeback" !!!
  49. rocketman
    rocketman 5 June 2013 17: 01 New
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    Quote: DominusAstra
    And Scoop? Alcoholism, an inefficient economic system, lack of normal food, elite arbitrariness, increasing crime, marginal nationalism, stagnation in the political system and economy, corruption in the absence of publicity.

    What a scream! And now children do not make beer, and adults do not drink! Everything at work, the economy is growing, there are not enough workers! Oh, laughter, that's all. What about the products? Well, where did you see in Soviet times that open milk, butter, sour cream lay in the refrigerator for a month and did not spoil? Well, tell me, young man, how much chemistry is in modern “food” and how many natural products. I don’t know for sure, but I think 9% 1.
    And "ELITE" doesn’t do anything arbitrarily now, their children don’t ride jeeps, they don’t kill children at stops. We’ll repair everything! Manual elite now, patriotic, decent! Not like before, when the chairman of the regional committee traveled to the whole VOLGA, and underground millionaires to the Cossacks, so as not to shine. And now there is no nationalism at all - Russians are simply sent in three funny letters, and they should still be happy that they are not beating or killing. YES! Quietly live, there is no nationalism! And now the publicity is such that there is no corruption at all, because the publicity is the same.
    In general, a naive Chukchi young man, if you still do not understand what you are carrying, it is better to be silent, do not make people laugh.
    Quote: DominusAstra
    They do not want such prospects. They again want to be beings without the right to vote and with their ears closed.

    You have the right to vote, so what does it give? Your unhappy voice is still "counted correctly." Somehow near Lviv, in one military town, 80% of the population voted for Yanyk, and not for Yusch. So what? on the server, the data shone the other way around - for Yusch - 80%, for Yanyk - 20%.
    Quote: DominusAstra
    But why did people who could go and support the Emergency Committee sit at home? Now they are sitting in their comfortable apartments and are calling for reprisal on the Internet. correspondence boxing is evident. The Soviet system was hopeless, and its current supporters, the "pototyot", are even more hopeless.

    Here, one hundred percent right. Humpbacked got everyone, and got a scoop. Everyone wanted the best, it seemed - we were about to live. It didn’t work out. The country was prosralized, now they have seen. That's all sorry. But nobody does a damn thing to revive the USSR or something like that. Because G / Bp? LT ?? NM - do not mess the bags, quietly and safely.
    1. DominusAstra
      DominusAstra 5 June 2013 17: 29 New
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      You are kind of from Ukraine. And we are talking about the Russian Federation.
      “You have the right to vote, so what does it give? Your unhappy voice will still be“ calculated correctly. ”Somehow, near Lviv, in one military town, 80% of the population voted for Yanyk, not Yush. So what? On the server the data shone on the contrary - for Yusch - 80%, for the yanyk - 20. "

      Only now they can listen to me. And in the USSR, what happened in Novocherkassk? In the Russian Federation, there are no executions of workers.

      "Here it’s screaming! And now children don’t drink beer, and adults don’t drink! Everything in business, the economy is growing, there aren’t enough hands! Oh, laughter, that's all. And products? Well, where did you see open milk in Soviet times? , OIL, sour cream lying in the refrigerator for a month and did not spoil? Well, tell me, young man, how much chemistry is in modern "food" and how many natural products. I don’t know for sure, but I think 9% 1.
      And "ELITE" doesn’t do anything arbitrarily now, their children don’t ride jeeps, they don’t kill children at stops. We’ll repair everything! Manual elite now, patriotic, decent! Not like before, when the chairman of the regional committee traveled to the whole VOLGA, and underground millionaires to the Cossacks, so as not to shine. And now there is no nationalism at all - Russians are simply sent in three funny letters, and they should still be happy that they are not beating or killing. YES! Quietly live, there is no nationalism! And now the publicity is such that there is no corruption at all, because the publicity is the same.
      In general, a naive Chukchi young man, if you still do not understand what you are carrying, it’s better to be silent, don’t make people laugh. "

      And I am not against chemistry in products. So it makes no sense to blame me.
      I don’t care in Russian, to be honest. So this also does not make sense. It seems to be such socialists, but they didn’t even hear about class interests, but they always were the first to shout “for Russia”. Scream, by golly. In your beloved USSR, you would be the first to sit down for this.
      There is corruption. Only now everyone knows about her. In the Union, these statistics were hidden for ideological reasons.
      Also, I don’t want the revival of the USSR. Because you are not socialists and your USSR will be hell. If real Communists get involved, I would have thought1 more.
    2. DominusAstra
      DominusAstra 5 June 2013 17: 30 New
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      You are kind of from Ukraine. And we are talking about the Russian Federation.
      “You have the right to vote, so what does it give? Your unhappy voice will still be“ calculated correctly. ”Somehow, near Lviv, in one military town, 80% of the population voted for Yanyk, not Yush. So what? On the server the data shone on the contrary - for Yusch - 80%, for the yanyk - 20. "

      Only now they can listen to me. And in the USSR, what happened in Novocherkassk? In the Russian Federation, there are no executions of workers.

      "Here it’s screaming! And now children don’t drink beer, and adults don’t drink! Everything in business, the economy is growing, there aren’t enough hands! Oh, laughter, that's all. And products? Well, where did you see open milk in Soviet times? , OIL, sour cream lying in the refrigerator for a month and did not spoil? Well, tell me, young man, how much chemistry is in modern "food" and how many natural products. I don’t know for sure, but I think 9% 1.
      And "ELITE" doesn’t do anything arbitrarily now, their children don’t ride jeeps, they don’t kill children at stops. We’ll repair everything! Manual elite now, patriotic, decent! Not like before, when the chairman of the regional committee traveled to the whole “VOLGA”, and underground millionaires to the “Cossacks”, so as not to shine. And now there is no nationalism at all - Russians are simply sent in three funny letters, and they should still be happy that they are not beating or killing. YES! Quietly live, there is no nationalism! And now we have such publicity that there is no corruption at all, because publicity is the same.
      In general, a naive Chukchi young man, if you still do not understand what you are carrying, it’s better to be silent, don’t make people laugh. "

      And I am not against chemistry in products. So it makes no sense to blame me. But there are products and there is no shortage.
      I don’t care in Russian, to be honest. So this also does not make sense. It seems to be such socialists, but they didn’t even hear about class interests, but they always were the first to shout “for Russia”. Scream, by golly. In your beloved USSR, you would be the first to sit down for this.
      There is corruption. Only now everyone knows about her. In the Union, these statistics were hidden for ideological reasons.
      Also, I don’t want the revival of the USSR. Because you are not socialists and your USSR will be hell. If real Communists get involved, I would have thought.
    3. aviamed90
      aviamed90 5 June 2013 18: 00 New
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      rocketman

      Dear, I give you the baton!

      Apparently, I did not convince the boy! Maybe you can do it?
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 5 June 2013 19: 02 New
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        Quote: aviamed90
        Apparently, I did not convince the boy!

        Was there a boy?
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 5 June 2013 22: 37 New
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          Cynic u

          Was!

          What am I, in your opinion, arguing with myself on the forum?
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 6 June 2013 17: 27 New
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            Quote: aviamed90
            What am I, in your opinion, arguing with myself on the forum?

            Well no . laughing
            Yes, usually this phrase is used in situations of doubt about the existence of an object of dispute.
            So, in this case, this phrase had a place to be as a doubt in your determination of the opponent’s age.
            yes
  50. rocketman
    rocketman 5 June 2013 17: 04 New
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    But the Soviet system is not "hopeless." It's just that she is very critical of people in leadership positions. It is necessary to educate such people since childhood, and not to elect for a box of vodka.