Turkey: fighters for democracy came together

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In Turkey, everything is mixed up, as in the Oblonskys' house. Mass democratic protests in the country against the autocrat Erdogan led to the latter standing up and stating that the rioters de "undermine democratic foundations." Even the White House could not resist and reminded the presumptuous Turkish government that “peaceful demonstrations are part of the democratic expression of the will”. In parallel with the statement of the Prime Minister, the repressive apparatus of the state (and he is always and everywhere exclusively authoritarian and exclusively monopolistic - by law) has been sharpened by an 1700 man. It is only on the morning of June 3; The number of detainees and prisoners in Istanbul, Ankara and other cities is growing.



The mass demonstrations began on May 28 from an ecological inconsistency: R.T. Erdogan decided to destroy the green oasis - Gezi Park in the center of Istanbul. Tree uprooting was called demagogic "reconstruction." How are the townspeople against the new construction? And the police used water cannons and tear gas against the protesters - peaceful weapon this very, like her, democracy.

Autocrat Erdogan, or Democrat, or totalitarian Islamist - does not matter. Nowadays, it is clear to a small junior high school student: he who is in power is right. It is clear to the same schoolchild how social revolts are being made and small and big revolutions are being made. To do this, there are well-established freedom spots organized by Zuckerberg and other enterprising people of the 21st century: Facebook, Twitter, and other analogues of VKontakte.

After talking through the social networks and outlining the minimum program and the maximum program, the disgruntled comrades gathered en masse in Taksim Square.

Journalists immediately caught an analogy with Tahrir Square (this is in Cairo), where the Egyptian revolution once started. The historian Lev Vershinin, however, пишетthat in Turkey is not a “spring” at all and that “Recep-Bey is itself a“ Turkish spring ”, only stretched in time and slightly dismissed as“ European values ​​”. In fact, this is not quite the case, because in the same Egypt “spring” was produced not only by the Islamists (the “Muslim Brotherhood” and the like). In Syria, not only Islamists fight against Assad. In addition, as noted by A. Fedyashin ("Voice of Russia"), even the pro-government press of Turkey calls the authorities' reaction to environmental protests unnecessarily harsh. As the pro-Islamist English-language newspaper, Today's Zaman, wrote, “the problem of Gezi Park can be the last straw that will break the population’s patience, and this will lead to the loss of Islamist control over Istanbul - the city that they have been running for the last 20 years.” Liberal newspapers, on the other hand, explicitly state that the reaction of the authorities could cost the careers of the “new sultan”.

For Istanbul, unrest spread to Ankara, Izmir, Adana, Samsun, Gaziantep and other cities - on 3 June, there were almost a hundred protests in different cities of the country. And almost everywhere there were clashes with the police. Almost everywhere, the state showed its opposition to popular protests. And almost everywhere, leftists, Kemalists, Kurds, and just students or trade union workers spoke against this very state in an unprecedented unity. Even football fans were noticed in their ranks, who have lately become an active segment of protest demonstrations all over the world.

This added fuel to the fire. Erdogan, whatever one may say, he himself signed in his own authoritarianism and nearness. Broken penny not worth his statement on democracy. Speaking about democracy, the Turkish people in the most natural way united in the struggle against the dictator, who from 2003 showed that this very people where to go.

SANA reports that in Izmir, demonstrators set fire to the headquarters of the Justice and Development Party. In Ankara, tear gas was sprayed from helicopters over residential neighborhoods in order to disperse the demonstrators hiding in the buildings. Hundreds of citizens there suffered in clashes with the police. Reuters reported that the Turkish police in Istanbul used pepper and tear gas against a group of young people who stoned Erdogan’s office with stones. (Other sources indicate that incendiary bottles also flew to the office). Ambulance crews reported that more than 1000 people in Istanbul were injured.

Radio station "BBC" 3 June reported that nightly clashes between protesters and police in Istanbul’s Besiktas region had become the bloodiest of all time. Mosques, shops and the building of the university turned into dressing points. The protesters dismantled the pavements at night and built barricades of them. Police responded with tear gas. About 10 thousand people participated in night collisions. In just two days, more than 67 protesters were arrested in 1700 cities across the country.

Despite the fact that in the evening of June 2, the White House reminded the Turkish authorities that “peaceful demonstrations are part of the democratic will,” R.T. Erdogan condemned the protesters, saying that they “undermine democratic principles” by their actions. At the same time, the prime minister dismissed the opposition’s accusations that his government was authoritarian and pro-Islamist.

He is convinced that behind the protests are marginal groups supported from abroad.

The old, proven for centuries argument of all politicians: we are looking for external enemies and internal enemies. Who will blame Erdogan? With Israel, he now seems to be friends. He looks at the USA and Europe as if he can (still) help advance the Sunni attacks to Syria. Maybe a convenient external enemy is Russia? But after all, Erdogan recently spoke with comrade Putin. The incident with the searched aircraft is firmly forgotten; instead, the two states want to bring the turnover to 100 billion dollars a year (according to the results of 2012, 33,3 billion dollars). Without Russia, Turkey will suffer large economically. The mere fall in tourism will hit the budget and the incomes of Turkish citizens so that a real “spring” will unfold in Ankara and Istanbul, which, logically, should be approved at the State Department and, which seems paradoxical, in Damascus.

Hearing a pulling voice from overseas, Avtokrat Erdogan hurriedly reduced.

Turkish Interior Minister Muammar Guler admitted that more 90 demonstrations were suppressed in major cities and towns. Against the background of further protests, Prime Minister Erdogan and President Gul were forced to announce that the Turkish police had harshly suppressed peaceful demonstrations. In an attempt to bring down a wave of protests, the Turkish Ministry of the Interior backtracked: it issued a statement saying that the law enforcement officers, who exceeded their authority, would be punished.

This is also a familiar trick: the police are guilty, it is not the authorities that are to blame. And we will identify the guilty and punish. So, we are good.

Deputy Chairman of the “Workers' Party of Turkey”, Bulent Esinoglu, as reported by SANA, said that mass demonstrations are nothing more than a revolution against the dictatorship that has been in power for 11 for years.

After the Erdogan government didn’t harshly or not harshly suppressed nearly a hundred speeches, comparisons began in the world press with Tiananmen Square.

In some countries of the world, actions were held in support of the Turkish people and against the policy of R. T. Erdogan. It is symptomatic that the United States was noted here. This means that the policy of the Turkish prime minister is bursting at the seams.

According to "Lenta.ru" With reference to France Press, 1 June gathered several hundred people in downtown New York to express support for the Turkish demonstrators and call on the Erdogan government for resignation.

The action took place in a park near Wall Street. Many participants dressed in red and white (colors of the Turkish flag). People held posters in English and Turkish, calling for the Turkish government to resign.

Supported by Turkish protesters and famous hackers. Grouping "Anonymus" on Monday night held a series of attacks on the websites of Turkish authorities, according to a group blog on the microblogging network "Twitter". As transmits RIA News", hackers managed to block access to a variety of government sites, including the resource of the President of Turkey and the Justice and Development Party. According to Hurriyet, the sites of some Turkish media, for example, the official Gazette of Official Gazette and the private television channel NTV, were attacked.

"Anonymus" held a rally in solidarity with the protesters in Turkey. In particular, the NTV channel was attacked for incorrect (in the opinion of the movement) coverage of the protests.

Interestingly, hacker group activists noted on Twitter that pro-government hacker groups are behind some online attacks.

This again suggests that dissatisfaction with Erdogan’s policy is so widespread that it has already spread to circles close to the government. Although, of course, rumors, sir ...

One thing is clear: within a few days, the slogans from the “greens” turned to political ones. The single demand of the rioters is the resignation not only of Erdogan, but of the entire government. Such a slogan has matured, of course, not at once and not from scratch. Dissatisfaction with the ruling party and especially the figure of Erdogan in the country has been growing for a long time. Park - the last straw, overflowing the cup of patience.

“Gezi Park is only a small part of the disgraces that Erdogan’s government creates. Erdogan is a dictator, we demand that he resign. Tomorrow we will continue to protest ", - said participant in the night protests in Ankara named Seville.

But why did the authorities of Istanbul decide to cut down trees in Gezi Park and crush Ataturk’s Cultural Center at the same time? To build a shopping and entertainment center and underground interchanges. And it seems to be an opera. The name “OccupyGezi” originated from the name of the uprooting park, which received protest actions on the network.

Alexander Bychkov (Gazeta.ru), referring to RIA "News”, Said that, demanding the resignation of Erdogan, the protesters call themselves“ Ataturk soldiers ”, oppose the Islamization of the country, call the Prime Minister a dictator and a padishah. The conflict was initiated by Erdogan himself: after all, he found it necessary to comment on mass actions. He writes, the journalist said that the Turkish government will not allow the minority to command a majority. With these words, the Prime Minister, one might say, turned the conflict into a political plane, since he stated that the main cause of the unrest is ideological.

On the streets of Ankara, notes A. Bychkov, at least 20 thousands of protesters turned out. Many of them pounded on pots and pans and chanted anti-Erdogan slogans. Ankara's governor, Alyaddin Yuksel, ordered that the prime minister’s palace, not the police, be pulled down to the palace of the prime minister.

On Sunday, the demonstrators raised Ataturk’s portraits and began chanting: “Dictator Erdogan”, “Government in retirement”, “Do not bow your head, be master of your country”, “No to fascism”, “Still Taksim, still resistance” slogans against “dry law”, Muslim schools and Islamization.

“This country was created by Ataturk. We owe him everything. Turkey is a secular country. How can our prime minister forget the covenants left by Ataturk and turn Turkey into an Islamic state? He behaves like padishah, makes decisions alone. We, the soldiers of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, will not allow anyone to take away what he fought for, ”said an elderly protester in Ankara.

It is also reported about the provocateurs, who hacked into crowds and threw stones at police. Protesters push them out and chant: “Do not throw stones!”

On the night from Sunday to Monday, Erdogan made a strange statement that “there is no project in which it is precisely stated what exactly will be built on Taksim on the site of the Ataturk Cultural Center”. He added that "maybe it will be an opera or a city museum."

To the question of the correspondent RIA News", given to many protesters: “If Erdogan resigns, who do you want to see in his place?” protesters admitted that they have not yet seen any worthy figure in the political arena of Turkey.

3 Jun. EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton expressed "deep concern" about the violence in the cities of Turkey, as well as regret about the "inappropriate use of force" by the country's police. This is stated in the official report of Ashton, transmits RBC. She expressed hope “for the speedy recovery of all injured” and called for restraint of the conflicting parties and an end to violence.

On the same day, it became known that protests against the construction of a shopping center on the site of the park were expressed by world famous trade brands. Representatives of many companies said they would not ship their products to the mall, if built, they report "Vesti". And what about Erdogan? He said that the reconstruction of the area is carried out in order to facilitate the movement of cars and vehicles. He has no intention of abandoning his construction plans.

Vladimir Avatkov (IA "REX") writes:

“The authorities planned to build a parking lot and a shopping center in the area, as well as to expand the road. And they could hardly imagine that the creation of a new one would lead to protests against the current - the current regime throughout the country. By the way, the fact that the Prime Minister of Turkey, R. T. Erdogan himself, Ottoman barracks were located in the park was also symbolic. Initially, with his reforms, Erdogan tried to drive the military into the barracks. And now I moved to the demolition of the barracks, and the reforms began to return to him a boomerang, the question is how. ”


Stanislav Tarasov (IA "REX") notes:

The “revolutionary plot” in Turkey develops according to the classical scenario. More recently, Erdogan, speaking at various meetings, welcomed the "Arab Spring", supported the "overthrow of dictators" in some countries, and stated that henceforth "Turkey can be an example of modern democracy in the region." Now the Turks call Erdogan a “dictator,” demanding his overthrow ... ”


Historian and political scientist Lev Vershinin ("But") believes that a lot in the conflict depends on the position of the West. The Kemalists in Turkey are sensitive to the opinion of the “elder brothers”, but, unlike Erdogan, who puts himself on the United States, they look to the European Union. Therefore, the outcome of the confrontation will be determined by the consensus of Brussels with Washington, which will have to share something, allowing the EU to participate in projects in the Middle East and South Caucasus. Vershinin believes that "the case will eventually end in a compromise." What kind of compromise?

Erdogan will retain the position, he will not be thrown off, but his star will start to roll. There will be no repression, and if they do, they will lead to a deterioration, which the “neo-osmans” cannot but understand, writes the historian. Erdogan’s recent victory over the army was obviously the last in the “victoria” of neo-Ottomanism. The appetites of Turkey as an independent regional player will be measured, the internal political climate will soften. In the future, it is possible that the Kemalists will return to Ankara.

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    1. +44
      4 June 2013 08: 30
      "The one who sows the wind must be ready to receive a storm in return ..."
      1. Vasya Ivanov
        +22
        4 June 2013 09: 01
        Erdogan is being punished by guys from the Fed for leniency towards Syria and a reluctance to start a full-blown war. In short, he was thrown out as a used peservative, and the chaos in the region is in general need. Everything goes according to plan.
        1. Apostle
          +22
          4 June 2013 09: 27
          Yesterday I watched the speech of one of the demonstrators, his words: "We are fighting the policy of obsessive Islamization ...", and in Turkey, Muslims are fighting radical Islam, while in Europe the same Islamists are killing their soldiers they also ask for forgiveness ... apparently I don't understand something request
          1. Vasya Ivanov
            +9
            4 June 2013 11: 19
            Quote: Apostle
            Yesterday I watched the speech of one of the demonstrators, his words: "We are fighting the policy of obsessive Islamization ...", and in Turkey, Muslims are fighting radical Islam, while in Europe the same Islamists are killing their soldiers they also ask for forgiveness ... apparently I don't understand something

            And they are also fighting Islam, but in general they are being used blindly to intimidate or overthrow Erdogan. Wait and see. If somewhere people went to the square, then the State Department needs it. There is such a sign.
            1. rolik
              +9
              4 June 2013 13: 01
              Quote: Vasya Ivanov
              If somewhere people went to the square, then the State Department needs it. There is such a sign.

              It is not a fact that this is the State Department. If it were him, words from the states would have already sounded in support of the protesters. Now silence and statement of fact. It seems that the State Department has not yet realized what has begun. And to punish for the uncertainty regarding Syria, could have been in other ways. Even through Europe and its desire to join the European Union, this is the first and simplest embodiment of pressure on Erdogan. But in principle, everything is correct, as it shouted and it rang out. Played with Islamic radicals. So much for their help.
              1. AndreyAB
                +5
                4 June 2013 15: 47
                Yeah, and now to declare Erdogan’s government reactionary and to bring weapons for the protesting fighters, it’s interesting then to listen to fellow bandits in a neighboring country what they say.
                1. vlad1
                  0
                  4 June 2013 19: 51
                  And there are more weapons and Chechen battalions to be reinforced as volunteers
              2. +1
                4 June 2013 16: 12
                Perhaps the State Department at the early stage of the revolution does not want to shine, just like an ally, a NATO member, so all NATO members claiming to be something more than they are allowed to run away if the big brother will smash them with their own hands!
                1. rolik
                  +2
                  4 June 2013 17: 41
                  Quote: T-130
                  Perhaps the State Department at the early stage of the revolution does not want to shine,

                  Imagine some kind of woodpecker begins to minus when he sees that there are doubts about the involvement of the State Department in the events in Turechina. Most likely, he cannot enter by his own gyrus, that there are other interested parties in this matter.
              3. fokino1980
                +1
                4 June 2013 18: 18
                Dear comrades !!! (gentlemen are not with us) it seems to me that everything will soon end in peace !!! Let’s release steam and that's it !!!
              4. Aucraig
                +3
                4 June 2013 20: 00
                The State Department should now demand the introduction of a no-fly zone in Turkey, and provide the rebels with weapons, communications and money. And first of all, it is necessary to deploy Patriot missiles in Syria. To establish democracy and overthrow the dictatorial regime of Erdogan.
              5. +4
                4 June 2013 23: 01
                Quote: rolik
                It seems that the State Department has not yet realized what has begun


                The problem is not what started. The problem is how we can take advantage of this.
            2. 0
              4 June 2013 17: 33
              you have the same people have a body, and the State Department has his head and will wink wink
          2. +2
            4 June 2013 14: 21
            Quote: Apostle
            . apparently I do not understand something

            Seek someone profitable!
            1. 0
              4 June 2013 15: 05
              Who gives money for all this?
            2. 0
              4 June 2013 17: 35
              Enlighten - to whom?
              Request based on facts only
          3. fokino1980
            +3
            4 June 2013 18: 14
            So Yes!!! The inconsistency was outlined !!! In general, the EU leadership reminds me of a hysterical woman or a type of woman in a man, not to make out. Hysteria resentment and persistence in the desire to spoil the offender wink
            1. +2
              4 June 2013 22: 31
              Quote: fokino1980
              In general, the EU leadership reminds me of a hysterical woman or a type of woman in a man, not to make out

              These are the same Arnold Schwarzenegger, when he was the governor of California, called somehow "girly men". So the liberals could not calm down for a couple of weeks, they say homophobic and finally ay-ay-ay, not politically correct. But Arnold never apologized.
            2. 0
              4 June 2013 22: 31
              Quote: fokino1980
              In general, the EU leadership reminds me of a hysterical woman or a type of woman in a man, not to make out

              These are the same Arnold Schwarzenegger, when he was the governor of California, called somehow "girly men". So the liberals could not calm down for a couple of weeks, they say homophobic and finally ay-ay-ay, not politically correct. But Arnold never apologized.
        2. Vasya Ivanov
          +1
          4 June 2013 09: 33
          Began to minus. I’ll explain, not my plans, but the guys from the Fed and their cap.
        3. +2
          4 June 2013 10: 20
          But it’s not yet clear where this plan is written.
          1. +3
            4 June 2013 11: 21
            Quote: Very old
            But it’s not yet clear where this plan is written.

            but for Obama this is the most convenient reason to refuse to support the militants in Syria, keeping their face ... the face of the American U-turn in Syria ..
            and Israel most likely will have to bite the bit, for it is not clear where the Turks will be deployed now, something like Erdogan Vasya Vasya and Bibi)))
            In some countries of the world, actions were held in support of the Turkish people and against the policies of R. T. Erdogan. It is symptomatic that the United States was also noted here. This means that the policy of the Turkish Prime Minister

            maybe the exchange went on in the Middle East .... probably soon it will be necessary to look at another part of the Middle East, the Asia-Pacific region and Central Asia ..... imha.
            1. 0
              5 June 2013 08: 01
              Quote: Scoun
              and Israel most likely will have to bite the bit, for it is not clear where the Turks will be deployed now, something like Erdogan Vasya Vasya and Bibi))

              They hate Erdogan in Israel, he ruined relations between our countries from really friendly to hostile, brought Turkey closer to radical Islam, and openly supports Hamas.
              Israeli media write boiling water with happiness when they show performances in Turkey.
              It has been written about Syria more than once that Israel will benefit from the civil war in Syria, until Assad defeats it, and not scumbags.
              So, God help the Turks.
        4. sincman
          +15
          4 June 2013 10: 30
          Quote: Vasya Ivanov
          In short, he was thrown out as a used peserva

          The time is coming when every inhabitant of planet Earth must decide for himself one main question - is he ready to put up with the role of a condom, to be used and then go to the trash can ?! This applies to literally everyone - both leaders and businessmen of any rank, even the highest, and ordinary commoners. There are plenty of precedents and examples of this in the world! While you are playing a role in a planetary drama called "The Creation of a New World Order" you are given some time to live for yourself. But the time will surely come and you will be removed as unnecessary! This also applies to the rulers - for example, Gaddafi, Mubarak and now Erdogan, etc. (All of them kissed on the gums with the top of the pyramid) and now, when they fulfilled their role, they were destroyed or began the destruction procedure. This also applies to the common people - the rebels of Libya, destroying their comfortable life, became beggars, ragamuffins without a future, the rebels of Syria in the process of destruction. Now they are joined by the rebels from Turkey and Kyrgyzstan, etc. etc.
          We are all brushwood for someone else's fire! And the sooner each individual is aware of this, from small to large, from poor to rich, the sooner we will begin to become real masters of our life, our future.
          The motto of all the actions of the Masters of the world is "Bolivar cannot bear two ...". We need to answer them with the same phrase!
          1. +8
            4 June 2013 11: 27
            Quote: sincman
            the rebels of Libya, destroying their comfortable life became poor beggars without a future

            It would be interesting to ask them ... how is life good now? .... calmly? for this hamster fought?
            probably in the internet then it will be possible to find something .. on this topic.
            1. +5
              4 June 2013 14: 36
              Quote: Scoun
              It would be interesting to ask them ... how is life good now? .... calmly? for this hamster fought?

              Beggars but FREE NOO but by the way, to large uncles who shared power, the problems of the one-time ... hamster ... are of little interest.
              1. 0
                4 June 2013 15: 11
                If only our compatriots who voted, campaigned, and "fought" for our "freedom" would be poor. And then they picked up, bastards, but they forgot about us.
          2. 0
            4 June 2013 15: 07
            Who was written off?
            I usually give a footnote
        5. +12
          4 June 2013 10: 44
          Quote: Vasya Ivanov
          Erdogan punished by guys from the Fed s

          Turanchox punished himself, wanted to build a new empire, support the terrorists.
          On the site, everyone said that he would end badly.
        6. +6
          4 June 2013 15: 22
          Quote: Vasya Ivanov
          Erdogan is being punished by guys from the Fed for leniency to Syria and unwillingness to start a full-scale war.

          And why does it not occur to anyone that the people are just fed up with forced Islamization. Women do not want to wear hijabs, and men tumble their butts upside down five times a day for namaz. And no one wants to shed their blood and fight for the "great Ottoman empire" and "the will of Allah everywhere and in everything."
          I think that this desire is much stronger than any horror stories, like the "Fed". There is no need to intimidate yourself with the "omnipotent power of the FRS", otherwise you yourself will imperceptibly turn into slaves of the invisible FRS.
          1. antibanukurayza
            -2
            4 June 2013 16: 53
            Not a people, but a crowd imagining themselves to be civilized Europeans. Who want to drink vodka to the point of extinction, make friends anywhere and anyone, listen to the obscene stage of half-naked prostitutes and jerk parts of their body to a zombie meaningless song about the meaning of life. From the point of view of improving the nation, a healthy lifestyle and moral education of youth, the government is doing the right thing, which revives religion and restricts alcohol.
            And not to "somersault", as you put it, but to fulfill religious duties. Dear, do not forget that Muslims are also sitting on this site, and there are practicing Muslims who do not tumble five times a day, but read namaz.
            Show respect for the feelings of other religions. Sometimes it is better to remain silent than blurt out what you know nothing at all.
            1. +7
              4 June 2013 17: 49
              My dear, people do not judge by themselves.
              If for you the accessibility of alcohol is only "to drink vodka until it drops," these are your problems.
              If you see only "... half-naked prostitutes ..." on the stage, this is again your problem.
              Not every woman you saw (wanted?) Is not a fully dressed prostitute.
              Work on yourself and their number around you will drastically decrease wink
              Like on the beach, girls in open swimsuits are not prostitutes, but just vacationers wink

              And you probably should not impose your faith.
              Well, the educated population of Turkey does not want obligatory prayers.

              For the sake of such Erdogan's "recovery" of the nation, it seems that it will be necessary to shoot, and it will probably also be necessary to drive the country into the Middle Ages.
              1. antibanukurayza
                -2
                9 June 2013 10: 57
                This was my response to a specific person to his specific statement about religious precepts that are sacred for a Muslim as well as Easter or Christmas for a Christian. Everyone has their own understanding of religion and, unfortunately, Islam is distorted to such a form that disgusts representatives of other religions. People not only despise Muslims, but also religion itself, because they think that religion teaches them this. But this is not the case. It is advantageous for our common enemies - the USA, Europe and Israel to represent Islam in this form, therefore their special services support representatives of extremist beliefs, which they themselves created. Islamic terrorism is not a religion, but geopolitics. True Islam and representatives of the true religion are not profitable for them. The imposition of religion is contrary to the principles of Islam, since the Qur'an is our guide as well as the Gospel for Christians. And it says: "There is no compulsion in religion!" (Sura al-Bakara). And it also says: "Do not speak badly about the religion of others, because due to the lack of knowledge about Islam, they will say bad things about Islam." We Muslims strictly adhere to the prescription of the Koran and do not slander about the religious practices of other denominations, as some do.
                And what I wrote about vodka, obscene music, etc. - I just quoted the words of an Orthodox priest. http://www.youtube.com/watch? v = w7F6UeJ1nQ4
                It may not be entirely successful, and out of place, but what has been done is done.
            2. +2
              4 June 2013 23: 27
              and representatives of "other religions" have not forgotten by chance that some people of these "other religions" do not want?
          2. Lukich
            +1
            5 June 2013 08: 46
            Quote: Polar
            Do not intimidate yourself with the "omnipotent power of the FRS", otherwise you yourself will imperceptibly turn into slaves of the invisible FRS.


            Do you have dollars? - who prints them you know? - here you have the Fed ...
        7. denn
          +1
          4 June 2013 18: 52
          Somehow I also adhere to this opinion. But here the question torments ... But is his resignation profitable for us? Erdogan, although not a gift, but still rested against all the limbs against the outbreak of war against Syria. Amers will not allow the statists to come to power; they need an obedient puppet who will do everything right.
          1. 0
            4 June 2013 23: 28
            we benefit from the crisis there ...
            and as for Erdogan’s position in Syria, he didn’t want war, he tried to sit on two chairs ...
            1. -4
              5 June 2013 01: 48
              Are you sure where you will sell gas at 25 billion a year, maybe Syria?
      2. +16
        4 June 2013 09: 03
        What beautiful Turkish women in the first photo and on 19, I would be with them ...)
        1. Vasya Ivanov
          +12
          4 June 2013 09: 19
          Kabelina, we’re talking about serious things and he’s talking about women. Although true, the girls are pretty.
          1. Ataman
            +6
            4 June 2013 10: 07
            And in place of people with 4,7,11 and 12 photos you do not want?
            1. +8
              4 June 2013 11: 18
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Turanchox punished himself, wanted to build a new empire, support the terrorists.
              On the site, everyone said that he would end badly.



              Quote: T-100
              What beautiful Turkish women in the first photo



              Quote: Ataman
              And in place of people with 4,7,11 and 12 photos you do not want?



              They don’t want to wear beautiful Turkish women wearing a burqa! And their men are clearly also against how to hide such beauty in rags (and mentally I am with them), so I have to endure it, as in the photo of the above!
              The people of TURKEY themselves want to remain in the ranks of secular states, and it pleases me, at least!
              ALL GOOD DAY — MY FRIENDS! hi
          2. +3
            4 June 2013 15: 14
            Still would. How many years Slavs, Arab women dragged to their harems
        2. Dima190579
          +4
          4 June 2013 09: 22
          Adrenaline makes people more beautiful.
          1. rolik
            +9
            4 June 2013 13: 04
            Quote: Dima190579
            Adrenaline makes people more beautiful

            Say this to the uncle who was planted between the legs between the legs (pictured). Here he probably adrenoline rose belay lol
            1. +6
              4 June 2013 13: 41
              Quote: rolik
              Quote: Dima190579
              Adrenaline makes people more beautiful

              Say this to the uncle who was planted between the legs between the legs (pictured). Here he probably adrenoline rose belay lol

              Erdogan is much worse than this uncle! laughing A man comes to his senses-Erdogan never.
              Maybe now his mouth will be less open on Assad!
            2. +2
              4 June 2013 18: 22
              ...
              Quote: rolik
              Here he probably adrenoline rose

              He seems to have no more adrenaline ...
        3. RUSSIA 2013
          +17
          4 June 2013 09: 25
          Erdogan was simply leaked, oh, I don’t envy him, wait a minute they will show him for Syria, but by and large I’m glad that there will be less than one six (amer-homosexual, euro zone).
          1. +4
            4 June 2013 09: 46
            And an hour, did the FSB have a hand in this? It may well be.
            1. +10
              4 June 2013 10: 13
              and these people told us that they’re picking their nose in an undemocratic way (Erdogans, Obama, militans and other about Bolotnaya) laughing laughing laughing
            2. +4
              4 June 2013 15: 16
              Yeah of course. Only the FSB, unfortunately, is prohibited by law from acting outside our territory
            3. 0
              4 June 2013 17: 55
              judging by the condemning intonations in the story of the protesters on official channels, our authorities are more likely on the side of Erdogan (perhaps it is true that they are simply on the side of any authorities and against any statements)
              1. 0
                4 June 2013 23: 33
                something did not notice much condemnation ...
                rather a statement of the fact of the riots ....
            4. +1
              4 June 2013 23: 32
              not the FSB Komrad, but the SVR officers :)
              and yes, an acceptable version
          2. Vasya Ivanov
            +1
            4 June 2013 11: 24
            Quote: RUSSIA 2013
            but by and large I'm glad that at least one of the six (amero-homosexual, euro zone) will be less.

            Sooner you rejoice, another will be appointed in his place, and no one knows how he will manifest himself.
            1. RUSSIA 2013
              +3
              4 June 2013 12: 03
              Sooner you rejoice, another will be appointed in his place, but no one knows how he will manifest himself. [/ Quote]
              But if he is a smart person, after her allies threw Turkey, the relations between them are clearly getting colder, and he will begin to squeeze out militants with a pile of territory, since no one needs extra hemorrhoids. Erdogan was sympathetic to Islamists, and Turks want to be a secular state if after the removal of Erdogan his successor continues his policy then Turkey will face a civil war.
        4. +1
          4 June 2013 15: 13
          Usually the opposite. Our go there and are engaged in prostitution
          1. 0
            4 June 2013 23: 35
            who is yours?
        5. +1
          4 June 2013 18: 16
          They don’t argue about tastes, I won’t even turn around. By the standards of our city, the third grade is not a marriage)))
      3. +12
        4 June 2013 10: 10
        Turkey seems to be on the list of the State Department rotation of objectionable countries and regimes :)
        In Syria, it doesn't work out and it doesn't work - then we go to you :)
        1. +18
          4 June 2013 10: 29
          Turkey very rashly found chemical weapons from anti-Syrian terrorists.
          1. sincman
            +7
            4 June 2013 10: 38
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Turkey very rashly found chemical weapons from anti-Syrian terrorists.

            This is the key reason for the beginning of the "nationwide" riot in defense of a small park - a brothel of prostitutes and drug addicts. This find puts a bold cross on all provocations of the West with the notorious "Red Line"! The West does not forgive this to anyone.

            If such a find had not happened, the people would be sitting at home now and watching TV!
            1. 755962
              +11
              4 June 2013 13: 08
              Turkish revolution in photographs
              http://mixednews.ru/archives/37042
      4. +1
        4 June 2013 15: 02
        I did not understand to whom or what it was - in the light of the consideration of this article.
        You mean the government of Attaturk, which concluded a peace treaty with the RSFSR, or the modern government, which dances westward, but at the same time wants to restore the Turkish empire, with the inclusion of our Caucasus, Crimea, Volga region, which fell under the influence of Islam, Kazakhstan and Central Asia
        1. 755962
          +1
          4 June 2013 16: 45
          Turkey riots: media report new victim

          Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1666938.html#ixzz2VFcyZnGr
          Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
          On June 3, another person died from injuries sustained in riots in Turkey. The deceased - 22-year-old Abdullah Komert - died in a hospital from gunshot wounds received during a riot in Hatay province.


          Earlier it was reported about the death of a young man injured during the protests. He was injured on June 2 when a taxi car crashed into a crowd of protesters in Istanbul. According to CNN, the number of victims of the riots in Turkey in two days amounted to at least 3195 people, of which about 25 are in serious condition.



          Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1666938.html#ixzz2VFd6vSLf
          Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
          1. 755962
            +2
            4 June 2013 16: 47
            Anti-government demonstrations in Turkey have reached resorts
            The geography of turmoil in Turkey is expanding. Clashes began in cities in the east of the country, and demonstrations made their way to resorts - it was already restless in Bodrum. In addition, today the most influential Confederation of Civil Service Trade Unions has joined the protests in the form of a strike.

            See the original material at http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/234494
            See the original material at http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/234494
    2. +24
      4 June 2013 08: 33
      For that fought for it and ran. Did you want "democracy" in Syria? Get "democracy" at home too. Most amusing is the fact that the West threw Turkey under these conditions and declared: "That the Turkish authorities are excessively cruel to democratic manifestations."
      1. +3
        4 June 2013 08: 35
        Beat ahead hi Well, I will not change the post, let there be the same beginning drinks
      2. 0
        4 June 2013 18: 01
        But one can assume that the West as a concept is simply heterogeneous.
        Some are pushing Islamists throughout the BV (USA, WB).
        Others do not know what position to take (Germany is the same), yet there are already millions of their Muslim population. In addition, there is dissonance in each country - for, against, nevermind, we are looking for our interest, etc.
        So they condemn - at the same time Assad, and Erdogan, and Gaddafi, etc.
    3. +3
      4 June 2013 08: 33
      For what, as they say, they fought for it and ran into it !!! It is a pity for the simple people, because not these brutes carrying "democracy" are perishing, but simple people. Well, in my opinion, patience will soon run out and people will simply lynch these supreme democrats.
    4. +2
      4 June 2013 08: 38
      Chet, how quickly people began to cool down to democracy, to see in appearance it is good, but to sniff?
      1. +3
        4 June 2013 08: 41
        Quote: botur
        Chet, how quickly people began to cool down to democracy, to see in appearance it is good, but to sniff?

        ... and if you taste it, then immediately - vomiting
        1. +2
          4 June 2013 11: 55
          - And if you swallow it, the forecast is difficult - a fatal outcome!
      2. 0
        4 June 2013 18: 04
        What is the connection between democracy and Islamists in Turkey?
        At the very least, democracy involves taking into account the interests of the minority (in their case, the minority is visible with 40% of the population).
        And here is ochlocracy - using the support of the least wealthy, educated layers of power, it abolishes the secular state, returning the Middle Ages.
    5. +2
      4 June 2013 08: 39
      Revolutions, like everything else, do not happen by themselves. Someone organizes them.
      See Erdogan poorly copes with the responsibilities assigned to him in Syria, and the reason for the indignation can always be found in the same way as the rams for its implementation.
      1. +23
        4 June 2013 08: 58
        Quote: Boris55
        the reason for the indignation can always be found in the same way as the rams for its implementation.

        How to say!
        “For three months, the action“ Rise, Ukraine! ”Raged across the country, but for some reason Turkey rebelled.” (A. Zubchenko) laughing
        1. Misantrop
          +12
          4 June 2013 09: 49
          Quote: Egoza
          “For three months, the action“ Rise, Ukraine! ”Raged across the country, but for some reason Turkey rebelled.” (A. Zubchenko)

          Maybe Ukrainian tourists rebelled? Who cares where to buzz? laughing
          1. +1
            4 June 2013 20: 47
            -Three months throughout the country, the action "Rise, Ukraine!"
            It is strange why the Crimean Tatars are silent ... Just wondering, for whom are they?
            PS Erdogan called on the "world community" to condemn the Syrian attacks against civilians and "to stand as a united front in the face of brutality and aggression."
            "Treat people (including Syria) the way you want to be treated."
            The golden rule of morality.
        2. MG42
          +5
          4 June 2013 12: 39
          Quote: Egoza
          For three months, the action “Rise, Ukraine!”

          Tymoshenko gave a command to curl up, it’s not enough sense, they shouted like a haul, they drove around the cities basically the same extras ..
          1. +3
            4 June 2013 15: 20
            The money ran out


            Have you run out of money?
            Hooool was born - a Jew strangled himself.
            And here Julia and with those and with those in kinship
        3. +5
          4 June 2013 15: 47
          Quote: Egoza
          “For three months, the action“ Rise, Ukraine! ”Raged across the country, but for some reason Turkey rebelled.”

          Well, where could they rise there wink .
      2. Nitup
        +2
        4 June 2013 11: 16
        Of course! The fact that our special services had a hand in this is unlikely. Most likely, this is a fairly intelligible signal to Erdogan to be more decisive on the Syrian issue. Or else an attempt to displace him and put an even larger puppet. And the detention of the capture of 12 fighters with chemical. weapons on the border with Syria was the last straw and the patience of the West burst. And the people, without understanding anything, contribute to these goals. Just like in Egypt, people wanted democracy, but they got what they got. And after all, Mubarak was also a puppet of the USA and where is he now?
      3. +8
        4 June 2013 15: 37
        Quote: Boris55
        Revolutions, like everything else, do not happen by themselves. Someone organizes them.

        Do not forget that in Turkey, the pro-proletarian officer corps has been very influential for decades. And Erdogan almost the entire highest composition of 450 officers put on trial. Because they actively resisted the Islamization of Turkey. So in Turkey, Erdogan has his own powerful opponent, whom he severely infringed upon stupidity. Now it seems the time has come for reckoning. Therefore, Fashington is at a loss as he was clearly out of business here, and had not yet decided who to support.
        1. +3
          4 June 2013 18: 06
          Here is the most reasonable comment so far wink
    6. +5
      4 June 2013 08: 59
      Erdogan started playing democracy and decided that the consequences of color revolutions did not threaten him, but it won’t turn out any dirty tricks to your neighbor and you would be happy.
      Yes, I read here an interesting opinion on faith is not worth taking, but still
      http://www.russia.ru/news/politics/2013/6/3/12327.html
      1. 0
        4 June 2013 13: 09
        Quote: BARKAS
        http://www.russia.ru/news/politics/2013/6/3/12327.html

        A custom-made purely pro-Erdogan pro-Islamic article, well, let it be cleaner under the Islamists, but it’s better for me to be dirty, but the state is not Sharia but secular, it is more important to me!
      2. +2
        4 June 2013 18: 06
        Erdogan himself is essentially a product of the color revolution (though it was held in election mode)
    7. +4
      4 June 2013 09: 02
      Maybe ours tried? Someone very well coordinates the actions of the demonstrators. Or patrons leaked Erdogan for lethargy in Syria? Or maybe he himself created the prerequisites for this with his stupid looks and domestic politics?
      The mystery is the reason. One thing is clear that Mr. E .... is a political corpse!
      1. +6
        4 June 2013 09: 29
        Our tried? !!! Each technology needs to be worked out. This means that there must be a history of trial and inevitable mistakes. Well, where is she with us? Can't you see how clear everything is in Turkey? First in the capital, then in 80 other cities, all of a sudden, flags, and tents in the main square, and food stalls for protesters, and the US statement of "disproportion", and an attack on Turkey in the stock market (-10% for one day). Everything is as if on notes. Soon the Kurds will demand independence ...
        1. +6
          4 June 2013 10: 33
          Kurds will have to demand independence from many, and this is even greater instability ....
          States can also benefit from this situation. Nobody will touch their bases in Turkey. Unless, of course, a person with pro-Russian views comes to power, which is very fantastic
        2. Grigorich 1962
          +2
          4 June 2013 16: 31
          Well, yes .... Erdogan’s GDP warned ... but he didn’t heed the advice ...
    8. Kovrovsky
      +6
      4 June 2013 09: 05
      Erdogan wanted to show that he was not intimidated by demonstrations and began to act harshly, if not cruelly. A little more, and the situation could get out of hand if the Americans had not restrained the excessively zealous Erdogan.
    9. +10
      4 June 2013 09: 05
      It seems to me that the events in Turkey have a clear connection with Syria. There are enough smart people in Turkey to understand where the wind is blowing and whose blood will pave the way for Syrian democracy. The rest is nothing but a sign and the work of government media ..
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +1
        4 June 2013 19: 15
        if the Erdogan government does not want to fight Syria, then it’s easier then to recruit mercenaries in the chaos ... but where is the closest to Syria and the easiest to create chaos? right in Turkey. and there are a lot of people there, for a long time it’s enough to feed the ranks of mercenaries.
    10. +7
      4 June 2013 09: 07
      For that fought for it and ran! Somehow everything is already clearly painfully happening, it seems like sabotage. Apparently those who are engaged in revolutions have reached a certain class.
      1. +3
        4 June 2013 13: 16
        Quote: sys-1985
        Somehow everything is already clearly painfully happening, it seems like sabotage.

        I noticed the same, and the protesters are well equipped with respirators, glasses, well organized .. here the police are more like rabble. Although perhaps no one is behind them, it’s just that the Turks themselves took into account the experience of revolutions in neighboring countries and organized themselves ..
        1. 101
          101
          0
          5 June 2013 00: 24
          Quote: DEfindER
          but just the Turks themselves

          Quote: DEfindER
          but just the Turks themselves

          It’s just that the mother calls her father to work, let’s say home, our people came bruised by the police, bruised by the father, he runs home from work and sees his people beaten up and already in the morning on the street the father and his comrades begin to find out by what right his people came to the house covered in blood do not like when someone offends their people
    11. Dima190579
      +10
      4 June 2013 09: 08
      If Bolotnikov had been so dispersed, howling it was, and so in Turkey, democracy can do everything for them. Here are the same photographs of the protest. http://mixednews.ru/archives/37042
    12. +13
      4 June 2013 09: 12
      Well, finally, Erdogan will feel the "beauty" of the Arab spring on his own skin! Qatar, Saudi Arabia and other troublemakers - wait for the revolution, artificially created by you, to visit ... Still, the "boomerang law" is working!
    13. +7
      4 June 2013 09: 15
      A person throwing poop to a neighbor, it is helpful to get one yourself by such a face.
    14. Dima190579
      +2
      4 June 2013 09: 16
      And what kind of snail horns in the 5th picture?
    15. +8
      4 June 2013 09: 18
      And I sincerely believe in the democratic aspirations of the Turkish people and our specialists)
      1. Dima190579
        +6
        4 June 2013 09: 25
        I also sincerely believed in the victory of democracy in 1991/1 of the land in 6.
    16. +3
      4 June 2013 09: 19
      Western colleagues decided to "drain" the too playful Erdogan. Looks like they don't need him anymore. Has the vector of the West's efforts changed, or has it turned around, or has it even reached a dead end?
      Turkey is a strong state, maybe its "time has come"?
    17. smersh70
      +3
      4 June 2013 09: 20
      .... the point is not Erdogan .... the Turks have a good feature - inside the country there are massively organized parties that fight each other inside the country to the point of blood, but when the problem of the unity of civil society or the state arises, the warring parties arise under one single flags are now fighting together against someone else .....
      1. +4
        4 June 2013 13: 30
        In my opinion, the warriors are involved here. How much he "demobilized" them. Where will they direct their skill, their education, their caste, their revenge. Perhaps the people have already realized that in vain they demanded the change of the military regime to democracy, which for some reason brings the country to Islamization.
      2. Fidain
        +1
        4 June 2013 14: 58
        I understand you smersh70 that torture will present this which is normal but not convincing !!! And to say now that this is a "Turkish spring" in the midst of summer or is it a lesson to Erdogan or to Turkey lost interest and decided to quietly drain, I will say not a popular thing, but maybe the SVR has worked (I just admit it). But now it is very difficult to see the full picture, only when "the smoke of democracy clears up" it will be possible to say what happened in Turkey, a lesson or a sentence ...
        1. smersh70
          -4
          4 June 2013 22: 30
          I didn’t say. it’s normal or convincing, but just stating vacca ....
          Yes, where does the SVR, but here, nothing to do with it, well, if the Armenian intelligence. then I admit wink
          and about the 3rd part, I fully agree with YOU !!!!!! as smoke does not dissipate, it’s difficult and difficult to say something !!!!!! hi
        2. Our
          Our
          +1
          13 December 2013 18: 51
          Well, the Arab spring has passed)! A handful of Kurds of Armenians and other part of the discontented population trying to shake the country have long been forgotten. And here it becomes clear who is the friend of the country and who is the enemy. Now they will clean up slowly. bad. thin for those who rubbed their hands with a smile on their faces seeing chaos on the street.
    18. SCS
      SCS
      +5
      4 June 2013 09: 24
      now also the security forces, overly tough, gathered to punish !!!))) and so they will soon turn their backs on the government! then it’s like a revolution ... some kind of weird Erdogan!
      1. smersh70
        0
        5 June 2013 13: 36
        Turkish soldiers prevent clashes between police and protesting citizens


        In Turkey, protests by the population continue. The Turkish army does not intervene in this confrontation.

        This time, protesting citizens gathered for a rally in the city of Hatay in southeastern Turkey, by their actions they wanted to demonstrate support for the protesters in the city of Gezi in Istanbul. The newspaper Yeni Şafak writes about this.

        As a result, the city authorities decided to disperse the protesters, however, the Turkish Armed Forces intervened in the confrontation, who stood as a "living screen" between the police and protesting citizens.


        - See more at: http://www.minval.az/news/9846/#sthash.P2MQu6mU.dpuf
    19. +6
      4 June 2013 09: 28
      It all started with protecting trees. It was only later that someone put memories of everything negative under Eodogan into their heads. And it worked, and even very much. He just imagined himself to be a kind of "father" of the Great Turkic, put himself on a par with Attaturk. On the contrary, he began to flirt with the Islamists according to the full scheme, trying to unite something. The Turkish people, apparently, did not appreciate his "good" intentions, they do not want to live only according to Sharia law. And then there is Syria, and his movements on this issue are clearly under someone's dictation. So the comrade received a "gift", a kind of belch of the Arab spring.
      1. +5
        4 June 2013 11: 38
        Well, right, there will be Sharia, there will be no tourists, everything is like in Ebibt))))
        1. 0
          4 June 2013 18: 11
          And we will go to Greece, which is a pity - in Turkey it is really cheaper wink
          In Egypt, Islamists already say women swim in clothes over swimsuits
      2. +2
        4 June 2013 11: 55
        Quote: IRBIS
        It all started with protecting the trees

        Yeah, "Khimki forest" in Turkish laughing
      3. +1
        5 June 2013 07: 59
        Erdogan slowly, slowly, tried to Islamize the country. Very many do not like it. Plus, he also had his hand in increasing pressure on Assad (the result of this pressure may lead not only to the Islamization of Syria, but to the emergence of a state controlled by terrorists), which is the leader of a secular country.
    20. Owl
      +11
      4 June 2013 09: 29
      There is a good Russian saying "Don't dig a hole for another, you yourself will fall into it." Erdogan strove into this very pit at a cruising speed. Let's see how it will get out. It is advisable not to get out.
      1. +6
        4 June 2013 09: 50
        What, is Erdogan "digging a hole" in Libya, Egypt, etc.? TURKEY IS MISSING IN FULL ACCORDANCE WITH THE "New Middle East and Greater Israel" PLAN, presented back in 2006. What are you happy about? Execution of the enemy's plan? Yes, Erdogan was a naive moron when for some reason he believed that the owners would spare him. For which he paid. But it is more profitable for us now to support and keep Erdogan, to turn him towards friendship with Syria. Maybe the Saudi princes, by his example, will finally understand that they are all in the same boat with Assad and Gaddafi? Although, unlikely ... Too arrogant ...
        1. 0
          4 June 2013 10: 39
          Set aside, the plan was presented not in 2006, but in 2003 to Bush Junior.
        2. +3
          4 June 2013 13: 25
          Quote: Prophetic
          But it’s more profitable for us now to support and hold Erdogan, to turn him to friendship with Syria.

          Well, people like Erdogan don’t change, but Russia shouldn’t sit idly by, take advantage of the situation and advance pro-Russian forces to power .. In addition, a significant part of the Turkish economy depends on us, as they say all the cards in hand, just take and do !
          1. 0
            4 June 2013 15: 34
            Refuse the Turkish resorts. A large country has everything in it, and service replaces normal human relationships. They can create all the conditions without money, but they can strip the cost of the best hotel, with all the servants in the kit.
        3. Seraph
          +2
          4 June 2013 21: 08
          And here is the picture that was drawn in America. It is necessary to imprison such artists in the dispensary and issue a map of the world-puzzle, so that they can be comforted. Cannibals
    21. +2
      4 June 2013 09: 31
      Nothing will be there. The "creative class" is revolting. Spontaneously. Sponsors of color revolutions will not support this. Neither local nor Euro-Atlantic.

      Erdogan can sleep peacefully. Change the Constitution slowly and change seats in the president’s chair.
      1. 0
        4 June 2013 15: 36
        Who are the "creative class"
        Creative is creation.
        THOSE. Rebellious workers, engineers, peasants?
        1. +1
          4 June 2013 15: 40
          "Creative class" is a self-name. If workers and peasants start to riot, then Erdogan will have problems.
        2. +2
          4 June 2013 18: 13
          engineers - yes, rebellion. The peasants are not, the Islamists. Workers are silent (yes there are not many of them there)
      2. 0
        4 June 2013 15: 36
        Who are the "creative class"
        Creative is creation.
        THOSE. Rebellious workers, engineers, peasants?
    22. +7
      4 June 2013 09: 48
      Good day to all.

      March today you paid a lot of attention to Turkey.
      If I did not read my comments yesterday in the mozayka, then I repeat.

      This is not a revolution. This is a warning to Erdogan not to get out of the stall. Poke a snout in the Middle East. One must be obedient. The scope of Turkey is the Caucasus and the Black Sea.

      Three days later, Turkey will be quiet and calm.
      1. +4
        4 June 2013 09: 56
        It may very well be so. At the present stage. But according to the plan, the result for Turkey is one. Erdogan at the expense. The economy is dumped. The coming to power of the Islamists. Branch of "free" Kurdistan.
        1. +5
          4 June 2013 10: 18
          Quote: Prophetic
          The coming to power of the Islamists. Branch of "free" Kurdistan


          Here I do not agree with you. Erdogan is nobody, but Turkey does not need to be buried.

          The principle of the governor in the region. I would do the same in the state. The countries of the region are in chaos and one who is watching over corruption. The Middle East is not even Qatar and not the Saudis, but Israel. Europe - Britain. Indochina - here's the snag. Still betting on China (current negotiations with China - an attempt to persuade to cohabit) or Japan? Well, Turkey - I will not repeat.
      2. +4
        4 June 2013 10: 24
        Quote: vorobey
        Good day to all.

        March today you paid a lot of attention to Turkey.
        If I did not read my comments yesterday in the mozayka, then I repeat.


        Oh, hello, Sasha! No, I didn't read it yesterday. I'm glad to see you".
        1. +4
          4 June 2013 10: 38
          Hello hello. also glad that again I can read you at least occasionally.

          Do you have any forecasts?
          1. +3
            4 June 2013 10: 50
            Quote: vorobey
            Do you have any forecasts?

            Here is my prediction, Erdogan overthrown hi
            Oleg hi
            1. -1
              4 June 2013 13: 24
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Here is my prediction, Erdogan overthrown

              It is unlikely that he came to power in a democratic way, analysts say the rating has risen even more, everything started there and for some laws, mostly alcohol
      3. +4
        4 June 2013 10: 49
        Quote: vorobey

        Three days later, Turkey will be quiet and calm.

        Hi Sanya! Are you sure that in three days there will be no shooting? It may calm down, but maybe not. request
        1. +6
          4 June 2013 11: 02
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Are you sure that in three days there will be no shooting?


          Hi Sanya. I live a long time, I see a lot.
          1. +5
            4 June 2013 12: 02
            Quote: vorobey
            I live a long time, I see a lot.

            Yes, I also lived quite a few, but I did not think that Mubarak was overthrown.
            1. +7
              4 June 2013 12: 15
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, I also lived quite a few, but I did not think that Mubarak was overthrown.

              Erdogan cool cleaned up the army elite and this can play a role in the long run. The army does not forgive this and will remember for a very long time!
              And the army elite prefers a secular lifestyle, so anything is possible!
              Or, Erdogan will have to drastically change his views on the conduct of domestic politics (primarily) in his country!
        2. 0
          4 June 2013 13: 32
          Everything began to subside! People made it clear to Erdogan that he should be removed! hi
          1. +4
            4 June 2013 13: 51
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Everything started to subside!

            Judging by the news, everything is just beginning. 3 dead, 3500 wounded. In all cities you are in full swing. you probably watch the media of Azerbaijan, then look at other channels
            1. 0
              4 June 2013 14: 15
              I watch Turkish media, one of the dead killed 2, the car could not stop, the second died yesterday in Reyhanl where the bomb exploded not long ago, someone hit the head with a hard object, not a gunshot wound hi
              1. rereture
                +3
                4 June 2013 14: 44
                Quote: ayyildiz
                I am Turkish media



                With this phrase you explained everything.
                1. 0
                  4 June 2013 14: 49
                  Quote: rereture
                  With this phrase you explained everything.


                  If you think that all 400 Turkish bodies. the channel is supported by governments then you are deeply mistaken hi
                  1. rereture
                    +3
                    4 June 2013 14: 54
                    They do not support, but there are no completely independent media. It is unlikely that the Turkish media began to raise a panic, and set people up against the authorities. By the way, the guy was shot by police. Yes, and see how the people are dispersed there.
                    1. Our
                      Our
                      0
                      13 December 2013 21: 49
                      But if only they sowed panic and raised people, then this is no longer independence))) hi
                2. Our
                  Our
                  +1
                  13 December 2013 21: 48
                  Unlike Russia, the press in Turkey is independent.
    23. +6
      4 June 2013 09: 52
      Quote: Boris55
      Revolutions, like everything else, do not happen by themselves. Someone organizes them.
      See Erdogan poorly copes with the responsibilities assigned to him in Syria, and the reason for the indignation can always be found in the same way as the rams for its implementation.


      So it seems to me that this "w-w-w" is not casual (s).
      Maybe, of course, I have little information.
      But why the people who came to the park were immediately dispersed? It seems that the police response is really too harsh and not even logical. Is this shopping center so important to the political elite of Turkey? I think that Erdogan personally will not get anything from its construction. Did you want to ditch the "Kemalist relic"? So isn't it easier to set some vandals and / or insects on the park, which will devour the trees, and then it will be possible to calmly clean them out under the guise of quarantine measures. Why go into direct collisions? It seems that the ruling Turks know that these protests have nothing to do with the park. So, just an excuse.
      Then, how did you manage to "suddenly" gather more than 20 thousand protesters? Well, if they had gathered after the massacre of the protesters near the park, it would have been understandable, say, next weekend, whether the people from the region or whatever they call it, the townspeople after a working week had a desire to relax and exercise. The authorities have gone crazy, it's time to knock it on the head. And here, on the first day, thousands take to the streets. And you guessed right, just in time for the weekend. Good for extras. This is clearly a prepared speech. Moreover, they say that protesters are being brought to Istanbul by buses. And where are they from and who are they - these protesters. Good question. But the organizer is clearly visible. And preparation too.
      Let's go further. Three days have not passed. And the Yeskovites have already expressed their "phi", and the amers also "scolded". Did they scold any of the Saudis and the Yeskovites? Fi voiced? Although there people were crushed not with water cannons, but with tanks after the "Arab spring". No, everything was normal. So, "his sons of bitches", and Erdogan, it seems, is not "his". Wait, let's wait, if it doesn't reach Erdogan, we'll hear from the USA that he is a damned dictator and it is time for him to follow Mubarak.
      And I also came across an article saying that they are performing there ... as it were, to put it mildly, LGBT activists. And who are the main sponsors of pi ... owls? That's right - the USA and the EU. Here they are and sent their vanguard ram.
    24. +6
      4 June 2013 09: 52
      Here they will ask me. And why should common people "drain" Erdogan? It seems like there was always "my own". Well, Mubarak was also "his own". Yes, and Gaddafi for a long time dubbed common people as sons and brothers. So no argument. Although from my side, too, is not an argument.
      But I can assume that Erdogan really cannot be forgiven that he "flunked" so many reasons for hitting Assad. And the plane was ruined and Turkish territory was shelled and even bombs were detonated. Nifiga. "Only after you" (c), first common people, then Turkey. And common people do not want to go with a steam locomotive. And in Syria, the situation for them is getting worse and worse. Look, in the "picture of the day" tape, the North Koreans have already been seen in the ranks of the Assadists. You look, soon the Cubans and Venezuelans will catch up. This is not to mention the Iranian "guards" and Hezbollists. So the terrorist international will be completely crushed. I need urgent help. The Jews started to rock the boat, but realized that "once again in the eye." Rather, Iranian missiles will destroy half of Israel, while Syrian and Lebanese missiles will destroy the remaining half. And then it will be of use to them that they will roll out Syria into the same pancake? And the common people will have to intervene against Iran. So they clung to our S-300s to justify the retreat. Who remains? Turkey only. And Erdogan is stupid, you see, give him a benefit for Turkey. And who are these Turks - "conquered lumps" (s)?
      So we watch the movie "Mubarak-2", he also did not want to interfere with Gaddafi. Only now I wonder if Erdogan rests on his horns, how do they imagine the continuation in the form of "Gaddafi-2"?
      1. Dima190579
        +1
        4 June 2013 10: 44
        So soon the West will cease to believe at all if they so quickly merge their allies and friends.
        1. +1
          4 June 2013 13: 37
          Oh, namesake, who believes them? They simply obey the orders of the suzerain (how many American military bases are there in the world?).
    25. avt
      +8
      4 June 2013 09: 54
      The Arab spring has passed, the Turkic summer has come, thanks to the Yankees for this. Somehow our benevolent Central Asian neighbors claiming that they’ve just got everything together and won’t have anything like that, we should think about it and look around. They found a grove, we have a forest in Khimki, you need to see in the steppe - what tree suddenly grows? And it is definitely growing!
    26. +1
      4 June 2013 09: 55
      In Turkey, everything was mixed up, as in the Oblonsky house. The massive democratic protests in the country against the autocrat Erdogan led the latter to stand up and say that the rebels de "undermine the democratic foundations." Even the White House could not resist and reminded the presumptuous Turkish government that "peaceful demonstrations are part of a democratic expression of will."

      Somehow, what is happening in Turkey is not much like "peaceful demonstrations".
    27. +3
      4 June 2013 10: 02
      "A spark will kindle a flame", as in all previous revolutions or changes of regimes by the West and the United States, it all started with a small spark. In Turkey, such a spark was the park and most likely the terrorist attacks that tried to dump on Syria in order to distract people from the ripening abscess inside the country ...
      Now Erdogan has run into the most pampered ones, and he recently stigmatized Assad that he is a tyrant and hates his people, only the people are for Assad and are against rabble, while Erdogan is exactly the opposite. Turkey’s friends spoke to Erdogan about Iran and Syria, and they themselves quietly launched the process of weakening Turkey.
      Do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask about the rule of relations with the USA and Geyropa.
      Israel, most likely you are next, not Iran.
    28. +2
      4 June 2013 10: 06
      I would like to believe that in Turkey, as a result of these dances, a more moderate government and regime will be formed, pursuing a less aggressive foreign policy.
      And then, after all, a more sad scenario can be drawn with political instability and other flowers. The Turks themselves say that there is no clear leader now, the soil to wreak havoc is already more than fertile.
      Well, the instability in the country in our neighborhood may well come back to us.
      1. +1
        4 June 2013 10: 14
        But much more peaceful? Two years can’t sign against Syria. Although God himself had commanded, when a neighbor had a fire, to joke in his crates for something that was bad.
        1. +1
          4 June 2013 12: 07
          Turkey is arming the militants and is engaged in their transfer to the territory of Syria, such activities are enough to cross out the formally declared "peaceful" relations. This is an unspoken war.
          I hope that these phenomena will disappear with the advent of the new government, and that Turkey’s regional ambitions will be tempered.
          1. 0
            4 June 2013 14: 29
            Well, so unspoken. And Assad wins her well. But if, in addition to hundreds of thousands of militants, two or three hundred Turkish soldiers with tanks and planes break into the country, Assad will have a cover. So Erdogan can still be considered a peacemaker.
      2. Fidain
        0
        4 June 2013 15: 19
        Yes, instability at the borders is very bad, but a country that is not directly possible, but through its elites did Chechen separatists and extremists is not the best neighbor to defend. And no matter how much they want the old grapple, but time is running out and Turkey can split up too, disappear or become the new Ottoman Empire (as she dreams). But what can be argued is that the processes launched the United States in the Middle East, Africa and generally around the world can greatly change the map of the world.
        1. 0
          5 June 2013 08: 02
          Who is protecting Erdogan? He is now raking in what he deserves. With a full spoon. It's just that the next one is likely to be worse. As the saying goes, "take care of your neighbor, because after him the neighbor may be worse" :).
        2. Our
          Our
          +1
          13 December 2013 21: 52
          Eye to eye dear hi we organized the PAC for them, and they cheated on us in Chechnya. And judging by the militants, they’re not being taught badly.
    29. +3
      4 June 2013 10: 13
      let there be no revolutions If events begin to go beyond throwing stones at the police then the army will come into play Some military council will take power into its own hands, remove the government of Erdogan, and after half a year will hold new elections and again give power to civilians Turkey is a proven technique - over the past 50 years it has already been like this three times
      1. -1
        4 June 2013 12: 15
        So they with their citizens who wish the good of their country so dealt with. With the alkaid aliens and them behind the zombies, it may not work. They will shoot at bandits / rebels / postans, and will fall on civilians, whose relatives will then join the ranks of the rebels.
    30. +3
      4 June 2013 10: 22
      "Yarbay TR Yesterday, 14:23 | Geopolitical mosaic: German intelligence services believe that Assad will win in Syria, and Western doctors will soon begin to treat Islamism


      Judging by the flags and clothes of these demonstrators (in the video), these are accomplices of the Kurdish separatists and the left!
      Their police will mutus horse-free is the norm!
      But when you see that most hands will have the flags of Turkey then something serious already !!
      And so it’s a common thing, these are so mutuzat almost weekly! "
      Your opinion on today's photos. hi
      1. +2
        4 June 2013 10: 51
        Quote: mhpv
        But when you see that most hands will have the flags of Turkey then something serious already !!

        They already have Turkish flags in their hands and this is serious.
    31. +4
      4 June 2013 10: 25
      To begin with, no matter what Muslims Turks are, in any case they will not accept radical or classical Islam. They go to a mosque, believe in Allah, but! they will not live like in Arab countries. Near Europe, which greatly influenced their life. on the other hand, the photo shows that young people are not attracted by the idea of ​​Erdogan to create a Muslim state and a lot of people don’t like it. Based on the fact that the speeches were transferred to other states, this indicates that the country is generally dissatisfied.
      and now the most interesting thing for me personally, when is it all over and how will the UN actions interpret it, not even the states, and not the EU, but the UN, why? Why, if the UN gives an assessment of the situation in Turkey, Erdogan’s actions, we can safely decide whether to continue to listen and listen to the UN in general.
      1. +5
        4 June 2013 10: 46
        Quote: Gentleman
        Is it worth further listening and listening to the UN in general


        Of course, I wildly apologize, but you still haven’t made conclusions for yourself who the UN is?
        Who pays the girl and dances her. The UN has become a kept woman on a state balance. This became clear from the bombing of Yugoslavia. hi
        1. +1
          4 June 2013 10: 50
          I agree, it's just that politics is the same, therefore it will be in the Russian Federation’s hand when it comes to submitting to the world certain situations occurring in the Russian Federation
      2. Hel
        +1
        4 June 2013 10: 52
        Dear, the UN can no longer listen or listen, there are more than enough examples. One Iraq is worth it.
        1. 0
          4 June 2013 12: 24
          Let's hold a contest for the best name of the UN!
          Organization Obye ..... th nation.
    32. minimum
      -4
      4 June 2013 10: 42
      Everything is fine, the process of building the Turkish political nation is underway. What Atatürk started with his reforms and modernization always and constantly collided with the rudiments of the Ottoman Empire, archaic orders, Islamism. Over the course of a century, Turkey has gradually approached the European state like this through blood, sweat and tears. Now two forces are fighting in Turkey: the rich village, the "new Turks" who appeared on the wave of the economic boom, the Islamists and the urban middle class, brought up on nationalist, secular, modernist values. If you don’t understand the source of this rift, and it is civilizational, then you don’t understand anything. All the more ridiculous are the hints of conspiracies, the State Department, etc.
      1. 0
        4 June 2013 18: 57
        Quote: minimum
        If you don’t understand the source of this fault, and it is civilizational, then you don’t understand anything. All the more ridiculous are hints of conspiracies, the State Department, etc.

        And why minus that, the comrade correctly noted. Of course, there are such sentiments in Turkish society, plus offended officers, who are put out of the blue by Erdogan. All this is in Turkish society, and organizers of their own were found. If there is no explosive potential in society, then you cannot bring it to the barricades by any money and by third-party organizers.
    33. kNow
      +2
      4 June 2013 10: 47
      What is happening in Turkey is not a revolution. The revolution occurred when the Islamist Erdogan was dragged into power. Today, people realized that Erdogan had deceived everyone with his populism and was actively building a dictatorship. In Turkey, such a receiver will not work. People refuse to be a toy. We are waiting for what the army will say.
    34. avt
      +2
      4 June 2013 10: 48
      Quote: Gentleman
      To begin with, no matter what type of Muslims Turks are, in any case they will not accept radical or classical Islam. They go to a mosque, believe in Allah, but! they won’t live like in Arab countries. Near Europe, which greatly influenced their life

      request Do you think that at the time of Ataturk, in this vein, that the Turks will never accept the secular power imposed by the victorious Entente and no one spoke out to remain zealous Muslims? And nothing, the fez took off, some forcibly and with their heads, and they introduced the then universal human norms and values. And now what will prevent the general people from turning the Turks 180 degrees and putting on fez? There would be a desire - there is a clamp.
    35. +3
      4 June 2013 10: 50
      The UN has long been a dead organization !!! Haha, it generally works until now, it’s not at all clear ..
      A minus article, his statement was amused by the saying that if 3 million not the richest Russians if they refused Turkey, then the economy would sag and a revolution would happen. Before that, at least I would get to know Turkey's economy.
      And the rallies there are 2 conclusions or the military is getting ready or it all settles down quickly. And if many are surprised by such organization, then do not be surprised at Turkey’s political forces, and indeed any organizations are very organized. Even in Baku during the march of the next anniversary of Khojaly Turks among the crowd stood out for their organization.
    36. +1
      4 June 2013 10: 50
      Everything mixed up in the Oblonsky house - Islamists, Democrats, Kemalists, Ottomans, Ataturks, Erdogans ... EU and USA. The bright future of democratic values ​​in a fog of tear gas! In full ...
    37. +1
      4 June 2013 11: 13
      And here is the continuation of the policy of creating and maintaining chaos in the BV ...
    38. Tatar
      +2
      4 June 2013 11: 14
      The Americans need a war, a big war, so that they would again turn from debtors to a creditor, as it was during the Second World War, and they will not have an ally, pawn allies, but the Slavs as their main enemy.
      News on the mail: We are concerned about reports of excessive use of force by the police. We hope that there will be a full investigation of these incidents, that the police will show restraint. In addition, Washington calls on all protesters, as well as the Turkish government, to avoid provocations with violence, ”said US Secretary of State John Kerry. given the fact that Turkey is an ally, just the same unexpectedly. that this is another reason to think about your future Licking ......
    39. +4
      4 June 2013 11: 15
      THERE IS ANOTHER 1 REASON FOR TURBLE IN TURKEY. Hidden and not obvious)))
      To harm, ruin the rest of the RUSSIAN people who like to relax both in Turkey and Egypt)
      Here is their insidious plan. What would we work without holidays)))
    40. 0
      4 June 2013 11: 16
      The Americans have no friends, only temporary allies and those whom they can use, and then they will throw them in the trash. And they just saw some Turks in the grave, at first they were cannon fodder in a possible war with the police department, and now the same meat in operations to plunge the Middle East into chaos. If you can sacrifice a Turkish pawn to overthrow Syria or Iran, then the Americans will brush it away.
      1. Alexandr0id
        -1
        4 June 2013 13: 09
        rave. the states have 2 really strong allies in the region, capable of shoving their neighbors - Turkey and Israel. Syria and Iran, even put together are not so important
    41. Bashkaus
      +6
      4 June 2013 11: 30
      Erdogan is convinced that marginal groups supported from abroad are behind the protests. Who can be more convinced of this, if not Erdogan, who is doing his best to support no less "marginal" groups in Syria.
    42. Tom230
      +2
      4 June 2013 11: 40
      In one photo, a peasant from a water cannon hit the balls right, I was already crying from sympathy crying
    43. +5
      4 June 2013 11: 59
      And where are our famous right-wingers in the person of Alekseeva-Kovalev-marsh? At one time, they lowered all the dogs to the OMON, who had gone a bit with a berets to some fagot on Bolotnaya. So, we have a police lawlessness, and they have democracy?
      1. Grigorich 1962
        +2
        4 June 2013 16: 27
        This corrupt, Alekseyeva tongue stuck in her ass ... because of the fact that her master was not given instructions to her from over the hill
        1. Seraph
          +2
          4 June 2013 21: 16
          "Human rights activists" do not even need to give instructions. They are fighting for democracy and peace out of pure motives, an aspen stake for them in zh.pu
    44. Blackwing
      +2
      4 June 2013 12: 17
      Erdogan completely played up - in Syria, he introduces democracy, supporting the terrorists. and disperses rallies at home.
      Here it is, what kind of democracy, when everything goes according to the mattress plan, so democrats and cannibals can be considered, and if not according to plan ...
    45. MG42
      +3
      4 June 2013 12: 21
      ..here and protests under nat. flags
      A young man died in Hatay province, injured in a gunshot
      Moscow, June 4 - AIF-Moscow. The second person died from injuries sustained during the riots in Turkey, reports France Presse referring to Turkish television.
      According to local media, 22-year-old Abdullah Komert was killed. He died from gunshot wounds, which he received in Hatay province, located in the south of the country, during clashes with the police.
      “Abdullah Komert was seriously injured by a shot from a firearm produced by an unknown person,” local television channels reported.
      The fifth day of protests takes place in Istanbul and a number of Turkish cities - Ankara, Antalya, Adana, Izmir and others. The inhabitants of Istanbul impede the authorities' plans to cut down trees in one of the few parks of the city - Gezi for the reconstruction of the central Taksim Square. As a result of clashes between the demonstrators and the police, as well as harsh criticism from the government and Prime Minister Erdogan, tensions in the country are growing rapidly.

      Earlier it was also reported about the death of another young man who suffered during the protests in Istanbul. According to media reports, the deceased was in a crowd into which a taxi crashed.
      The number of victims during the unrest in Turkey over the past two days amounted to about 3195 people. 25 of them are in serious condition.
    46. rereture
      +7
      4 June 2013 12: 35
      The people brought power.
      Watch how the demonstrators are dispersed
      1. rereture
        +1
        4 June 2013 12: 37
        Cruelty is complete.
    47. dc120mm
      +5
      4 June 2013 12: 36
      Ohohooo, the Turks are lighting am
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +1
        4 June 2013 19: 20
        I hope you didn’t light in Ossetia angry
    48. +6
      4 June 2013 12: 36
      Very intelligible, in my opinion outlined.


      "Against the backdrop of the riots in Turkey, I receive many letters asking to clarify the situation. This is on the one hand. On the other, I see massive publications on the Internet with the headlines" Pro-Syrian uprising in Turkey. "
      Inadequate assessment of events inevitably leads to errors. There is no "pro-Syrian" uprising in Turkey and never will be.
      What is there? There are attempts to rock the situation by the same forces that wreak havoc in Syria and other Arab countries.
      Но обо всем по порядку.
      From the very beginning of the American plan for Greater Chaos in the Middle East, Turkey has been actively involved in the collapse of neighboring states. There are two reasons - the urgent "requests" of Washington and London and the desire to try to recreate the Ottoman Empire in a new form, the entire Middle East was an integral part of which.
      Turkish border guards "turn away" when terrorists and militants go across the Turkish-Syrian border. “Refugee camps” are opening on Turkish territory, in which bandits from Al Qaeda train and arm. Turkey is completely on the side of the opposition forces, against Bashar al-Assad.
      However, the Turkish president is well aware that it is impossible to be a blind tool of the Anglo-Saxons. After all, the destabilization of the Arab countries will inevitably lead to the destabilization of Turkey. Why? Because chaos should be everywhere: in Europe there are many Arabs and cars are already burning in European capitals. There are also many Turks in Europe - which means that chaos should, if necessary, come to where they live.
      As a result, Turkey begins to “sabotage” the struggle against Syria. And now, air strikes on Syrian territory have to be inflicted by the Israeli Air Force. Israeli, not Turkish, which would be better and more convenient. After all, we need not only chaos, but also an inter-religious conflict of everyone with everyone. Israel will have a hard time, but Turkey should not sit aside. But sits.
      And then there are shelling of Turkish territory from Syria. Bombs explode in Turkish border cities. And again, nothing. Turkey "turns away" and threatens only in words.
      And so, Hezbollah enters the fight on Assad’s side. The militants are surrounded by the Lebanese border and will be exterminated if they are not helped. Who should help? Islamist militants? Well, certainly not Israel! Turkey!
      He doesn’t want to - he needs to be forced. And here is the "Turkish spring" in the streets. Pogroms, fights with the police, attempts to storm the offices of the ruling party. And all because of plans to demolish one park, as the media tell us? Complete nonsense.
      The purpose of the riots is to make Turkey actively fit into the Syrian conflict and help the Islamists.
      We can predict terrorist attacks in Turkey: first, at the border with Syria, if it doesn’t help, in resort areas. And all in order to push Erdogan to actively intervene in the conflict.
      Otherwise, the pro-Western Alcayedites will simply be exterminated.
      And most importantly, pay attention: some Islamic militants (Hezbollah) are fighting against others (Al Qaeda). And the second is actively supported by the West.
      So who blew up the skyscrapers and the Pentagon in September 2001? "

      /n-starikov.ru/
    49. Alexandr0id
      +1
      4 June 2013 13: 04
      the difference between the Arab countries, Russia and Turkey is fundamental. when dictatorships were overthrown in Iraq and Libya, complete anarchy began there, when the country collapsed in Egypt, the country collapsed, everything stopped. if Russia dramatically shift Putin (which is unrealistic, because there is no one) - the situation will be like in Egypt. if Erdogan resigns, and his party members lay down their mandates, they will simply call early elections and perhaps in the wake of protests the Kemalists from the People’s People’s Party will get the majority, and the Islamists will become the opposition. Turkish indices will fall and recover by the end of the year. army leadership will restore shaky positions, and nationalist ideology will again come to the fore, pushing Islamic cosmopolitanism. Kurdish activists will start shooting again.
      and so what will never happen is the civil war.
      for all the authoritarianism of Erdogan, the real multi-party system that has existed for decades will never allow Turkey to slide into dictatorship.
    50. 0
      4 June 2013 13: 17
      I wonder if our "opposition", yes, democratic Turkish, (or French, how they defended homosexuals! It's expensive to see) policemen and listen to them later.
    51. +4
      4 June 2013 13: 19
      Turkey made me happy for the “Arab Spring” in other countries, I think it would be fair to experience it for myself, in all its glory.
    52. +1
      4 June 2013 13: 49
      Quote: rolik
      Quote: Dima190579
      Adrenaline makes people more beautiful

      Say this to the uncle who was planted between the legs between the legs (pictured). Here he probably adrenoline rose belay lol

      I think after Charcot’s shower like that, the adrenaline won’t want to rise for another week. wassat
    53. +1
      4 June 2013 14: 21
      The United States and Europe need a war in the Middle East, and the more countries are drawn into it, the better it is for them, they will try to write off debts and boost the economy with military orders. The Middle East will face a redrawing of the political map in the big game for energy resources.
    54. +1
      4 June 2013 14: 37
      “Despite the fact that on the evening of June 2 the White House reminded the Turkish authorities that “peaceful demonstrations are part of the democratic expression of will,” R. T. Erdogan condemned the protesters, saying that by their actions they “undermine democratic foundations.” At the same time, the prime minister dismissed accusations from the opposition that his government is authoritarian and pro-Islamist."[/i]
      HOW DID THEY GET THE EVERYPRESENT DERMOCRATS!!!
      1. Grigorich 1962
        0
        4 June 2013 16: 22
        got it!!..to put it mildly.... ....as it is in Russian..." there is a plug in every barrel""... mother of them.....
    55. +1
      4 June 2013 15: 37
      Migratory birds fly
      In the autumn, they gave blue
      They fly to hot countries
      And I stay with you.
      And I stay with you
      Forever native country.
      I don't need a shore Turkish
      And I need Africa too.
      I’ve seen a lot of countries,
      Walking with a rifle in hand
      But there was no greater sadness
      How to live far from you.
      A lot of thoughts I changed my mind
      With friends in the far land
      But there was no greater debt
      How to fulfill your will.
      Let me drown in swamps
      Let me freeze on ice
      But if you say a word to me.
      I will pass all this again.
      Your hopes and desires
      I have connected forever with you
      With yours stern and clear.
      With your enviable fate.
      Migratory birds fly
      Look for the past summer.
      They fly to hot countries
      And I do not want to fly away.
      And I stay with you
      My dear side
      I do not need someone else's sun,
      Another's land is not needed.
    56. Stoic
      +4
      4 June 2013 15: 53
      God willing, this is the beginning of the dismemberment of a bloodsucking country built on the lands of other peoples.
      Let other people's tears flow to the Turks.
      1. Grigorich 1962
        0
        4 June 2013 16: 21
        the time has come!!
    57. +1
      4 June 2013 15: 56
      I think it’s not a matter of politics, it was later set up like that. The issue here is most likely a showdown between the financial clans of the Turks. Judging by the very cautious reaction of the Yankee State Department. Not a sharp condemnation and full support, but a reminder of democracy. One feels such slight bewilderment It’s unlikely that the Amers decided to dump Erdogan, there’s something else here. I’m not a financier, but most likely the true cause of the bedlam should be looked for in the quotes of Turkish companies.
    58. +3
      4 June 2013 16: 15
      Deja Vu. They did the same with Saakashvili in 2008. "You go ahead, we are with you." and then oops "You're a bad boy. Ay yay yay."
    59. 0
      4 June 2013 16: 18
      I don’t understand what’s wrong with my flag??? I am from Russia and have no plans to leave belay
    60. cool.ya-nikola
      +2
      4 June 2013 16: 18
      Quote: strannik595
      ...and these people told us that picking your nose is undemocratic (Erdogans, Obamas, Milibans and others about Bolotnaya)

      Erdogan said: “If it is Allah’s will, we will see how this butcher, this murderer (he’s talking about Assad!) will get what he deserves in this world... and we will thank Allah for this.”

      Congratulations to Mr. Erdogan on joining the “club of butchers and murderers”! And what would he sing if Turkish demonstrators (God forbid, of course!) used, following the example of the Syrian “rebels” and “freedom fighters,” the entire range of “democratic means” in the form of Kalashnikovs, mortars and ATGMs ? “Would he thank Allah for this”?...
    61. Grigorich 1962
      +3
      4 June 2013 16: 20
      And the Turks are great!!...I don’t like Erdogan either!!..American crap....you can’t fool the people!!...you got a damn self-importance, you know what...Turks, well done...Erdogan sucks.. .and also leave NATO...there’s no point in doing that...
      let those politicians who act against their people feel the consequences...betray them and despise them!!!......
    62. +1
      4 June 2013 16: 23
      Perhaps I’m wrong, but the development of the situation is familiar, the only thing missing is fiery speeches about the oppression of democracy, but the question is where do the ears come from? The United States is silent, and it’s somehow wrong to leak an ally and a partner - after all, Syria has not yet submitted! On the other hand, one way or another, they don’t need a competitor raising his head high in the region, so the events taking place today are a matter of time, although it is possible that someone accepted the conditions of the game, studied the theory of revolutions and began to beat the enemy with his own weapon, the only question is who is it?
    63. stroporez
      -1
      4 June 2013 17: 14
      I think this is very good. It’s time for the “democrats” to eat what they feed the whole world. Therefore --- the more Turks die on the streets of Turkish cities, the faster they will sober up.............
      1. fokino1980
        0
        4 June 2013 18: 27
        Don't offend the Turks!!! They work well on our construction sites wink
    64. 0
      4 June 2013 18: 44
      I don’t understand what kind of democracy we are talking about. The essentially everyday reason for the park served as a trigger for mass demonstrations by those Turks who do not want the Iranian version with its ayatolammi, chopping off hands, burqas and other medieval delights. And Erdogan’s ambitions for unlimited power in Turkey and Turkey’s dominance in neighboring countries frighten them. Before him, they lived quite peacefully and comfortably and they don’t really want to get into new wars with their neighbors. They have enough of those that have already been and are. The bucking of Erdogan and Turkey’s NATO allies are frightening. And this is already serious. It’s just possible to disperse a crowd, but if the crowd is well organized and well fed by someone, then you can’t just disperse it
    65. +1
      4 June 2013 18: 45
      antibanukuraise KZ
      Not a people, but a crowd that imagines itself as civilized Europeans...


      Let me disagree with you. It all started with speeches in defense of the “green oasis - Gezi Park in the center of Istanbul, against the uprooting of trees.” And the PEOPLE were treated to put it mildly...
      even the pro-government press in Turkey calls the authorities’ reaction to environmental protests too harsh

      And the subsequent events and the political demands of the PEOPLE are a reaction to the inadequate reaction of the authorities.
    66. rereture
      +3
      4 June 2013 20: 05
      A guy was killed by police in Turkey.
      1. -3
        4 June 2013 20: 48
        In Turkey, the police did not kill anyone in the riots!
        1. +2
          4 June 2013 23: 12
          Quote: ayyildiz
          In Turkey, the police did not kill anyone in the riots!

          Two shot dead, and several thousand wounded, do you think this is nobody?
          1. -2
            5 June 2013 01: 50
            And when were they shot? Or did I miss something!
            1. +1
              5 June 2013 09: 57
              Quote: ayyildiz
              And when were they shot? Or did I miss something!

              News with video, right before your previous message, take a look.
    67. Conepatus
      +4
      4 June 2013 20: 12
      We need to make a no-fly zone over Turkey. And look for chemical weapons. What?
      They are looking from other countries, why not look from the Turks? laughing
      1. -4
        4 June 2013 20: 46
        Without a flight zone over the Bosphorus so that ships do not move wink
      2. +1
        4 June 2013 23: 40
        Quote: Conepatus
        They are looking from other countries, why not look from the Turks?

        The second largest army in NATO! Are you tired of swallowing dust?
        1. +1
          5 June 2013 08: 45
          Don’t worry, the masters of “no-fly zones” are the first army in NATO. So, if they really want a “zone,” the Turks will have to swallow the dust.
    68. 0
      4 June 2013 21: 14
      Well, damn it's cool!!!Basharrrangeski Erdogan!!!
    69. +1
      4 June 2013 23: 38
      I watched the Russia24 summit in Yekaterinburg on Syria! Putin said that the contract for the supply of S-300 was signed 2 years ago and has not yet been implemented! We supposedly don’t want to upset the balance of power in the region! Sorry for being off topic.
    70. Restoration
      +1
      5 June 2013 00: 06
      photo report - just class, test ++++++++++++++++
    71. Stoik
      +3
      5 June 2013 00: 25
      I watch with regret how Turkey is being plunged into Islamism. The only one was an Islamic country with a secular regime and more or less sane laws, without any Sharia medieval institutions, a country where there was equality of men and women and other gains of progress. Unfortunately, radical Islamism is pulling Turkey, like other countries, back into the cave Middle Ages...
      1. -1
        5 June 2013 01: 54
        Quote: Stoik
        The only one was an Islamic country with a secular regime

        It will remain like this, no one will dare!
      2. +1
        5 June 2013 07: 52
        Quote: Stoik
        Unfortunately, radical Islamism is pulling Turkey, like other countries, back into the cave Middle Ages...

        It is Erdogan who is pulling her into radical Islam
    72. +1
      5 June 2013 02: 27
      Shouldn't Erdogan go on a visit to Peru? It would be better with a one-way ticket. To that specific point with specific coordinates.
    73. +1
      5 June 2013 03: 35
      wow, just judging by the photos! as if everything is happening and it’s not in today’s Turkey that’s happening, but somewhere in Latin America about 40 years ago)) in the middle of nowhere, I see young people having fun, there are almost no older generation on the streets, so it looks more like an unsuccessful football match than a real turnaround!! The photos are good due to the composition of the frame, they were taken by professionals! oh, by the way, the Turks, it turns out, also have a flag with a sickle and a hammer, or rather with a moon and a hammer)) this is the first time I’ve seen one like this, but I wouldn’t have thought of it!
    74. +2
      5 June 2013 07: 36
      The "Park Revolution" has arrived in Turkey smile
    75. Ruslan_F38
      +2
      5 June 2013 08: 15
      The mustachioed one jumped. I hope the Turks will finish what they started and send this bloodthirsty scumbag to the outskirts of history.

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