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Turkey: fighters for democracy came together

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In Turkey, everything is mixed up, as in the Oblonskys' house. Mass democratic protests in the country against the autocrat Erdogan led to the latter standing up and stating that the rioters de "undermine democratic foundations." Even the White House could not resist and reminded the presumptuous Turkish government that “peaceful demonstrations are part of the democratic expression of the will”. In parallel with the statement of the Prime Minister, the repressive apparatus of the state (and he is always and everywhere exclusively authoritarian and exclusively monopolistic - by law) has been sharpened by an 1700 man. It is only on the morning of June 3; The number of detainees and prisoners in Istanbul, Ankara and other cities is growing.




The mass demonstrations began on May 28 from an ecological inconsistency: R.T. Erdogan decided to destroy the green oasis - Gezi Park in the center of Istanbul. Tree uprooting was called demagogic "reconstruction." How are the townspeople against the new construction? And the police used water cannons and tear gas against the protesters - peaceful weapon this very, like her, democracy.

Autocrat Erdogan, or Democrat, or totalitarian Islamist - does not matter. Nowadays, it is clear to a small junior high school student: he who is in power is right. It is clear to the same schoolchild how social revolts are being made and small and big revolutions are being made. To do this, there are well-established freedom spots organized by Zuckerberg and other enterprising people of the 21st century: Facebook, Twitter, and other analogues of VKontakte.

After talking through the social networks and outlining the minimum program and the maximum program, the disgruntled comrades gathered en masse in Taksim Square.

Journalists immediately caught an analogy with Tahrir Square (this is in Cairo), where the Egyptian revolution once started. The historian Lev Vershinin, however, пишетthat in Turkey is not a “spring” at all and that “Recep-Bey is itself a“ Turkish spring ”, only stretched in time and slightly dismissed as“ European values ​​”. In fact, this is not quite the case, because in the same Egypt “spring” was produced not only by the Islamists (the “Muslim Brotherhood” and the like). In Syria, not only Islamists fight against Assad. In addition, as noted by A. Fedyashin ("Voice of Russia"), even the pro-government press of Turkey calls the authorities' reaction to environmental protests unnecessarily harsh. As the pro-Islamist English-language newspaper, Today's Zaman, wrote, “the problem of Gezi Park can be the last straw that will break the population’s patience, and this will lead to the loss of Islamist control over Istanbul - the city that they have been running for the last 20 years.” Liberal newspapers, on the other hand, explicitly state that the reaction of the authorities could cost the careers of the “new sultan”.

For Istanbul, unrest spread to Ankara, Izmir, Adana, Samsun, Gaziantep and other cities - on 3 June, there were almost a hundred protests in different cities of the country. And almost everywhere there were clashes with the police. Almost everywhere, the state showed its opposition to popular protests. And almost everywhere, leftists, Kemalists, Kurds, and just students or trade union workers spoke against this very state in an unprecedented unity. Even football fans were noticed in their ranks, who have lately become an active segment of protest demonstrations all over the world.

This added fuel to the fire. Erdogan, whatever one may say, he himself signed in his own authoritarianism and nearness. Broken penny not worth his statement on democracy. Speaking about democracy, the Turkish people in the most natural way united in the struggle against the dictator, who from 2003 showed that this very people where to go.

SANA reports that in Izmir, demonstrators set fire to the headquarters of the Justice and Development Party. In Ankara, tear gas was sprayed from helicopters over residential neighborhoods in order to disperse the demonstrators hiding in the buildings. Hundreds of citizens there suffered in clashes with the police. Reuters reported that the Turkish police in Istanbul used pepper and tear gas against a group of young people who stoned Erdogan’s office with stones. (Other sources indicate that incendiary bottles also flew to the office). Ambulance crews reported that more than 1000 people in Istanbul were injured.

Radio station "BBC" 3 June reported that nightly clashes between protesters and police in Istanbul’s Besiktas region had become the bloodiest of all time. Mosques, shops and the building of the university turned into dressing points. The protesters dismantled the pavements at night and built barricades of them. Police responded with tear gas. About 10 thousand people participated in night collisions. In just two days, more than 67 protesters were arrested in 1700 cities across the country.

Despite the fact that in the evening of June 2, the White House reminded the Turkish authorities that “peaceful demonstrations are part of the democratic will,” R.T. Erdogan condemned the protesters, saying that they “undermine democratic principles” by their actions. At the same time, the prime minister dismissed the opposition’s accusations that his government was authoritarian and pro-Islamist.

He is convinced that behind the protests are marginal groups supported from abroad.

The old, proven for centuries argument of all politicians: we are looking for external enemies and internal enemies. Who will blame Erdogan? With Israel, he now seems to be friends. He looks at the USA and Europe as if he can (still) help advance the Sunni attacks to Syria. Maybe a convenient external enemy is Russia? But after all, Erdogan recently spoke with comrade Putin. The incident with the searched aircraft is firmly forgotten; instead, the two states want to bring the turnover to 100 billion dollars a year (according to the results of 2012, 33,3 billion dollars). Without Russia, Turkey will suffer large economically. The mere fall in tourism will hit the budget and the incomes of Turkish citizens so that a real “spring” will unfold in Ankara and Istanbul, which, logically, should be approved at the State Department and, which seems paradoxical, in Damascus.

Hearing a pulling voice from overseas, Avtokrat Erdogan hurriedly reduced.

Turkish Interior Minister Muammar Guler admitted that more 90 demonstrations were suppressed in major cities and towns. Against the background of further protests, Prime Minister Erdogan and President Gul were forced to announce that the Turkish police had harshly suppressed peaceful demonstrations. In an attempt to bring down a wave of protests, the Turkish Ministry of the Interior backtracked: it issued a statement saying that the law enforcement officers, who exceeded their authority, would be punished.

This is also a familiar trick: the police are guilty, it is not the authorities that are to blame. And we will identify the guilty and punish. So, we are good.

Deputy Chairman of the “Workers' Party of Turkey”, Bulent Esinoglu, as reported by SANA, said that mass demonstrations are nothing more than a revolution against the dictatorship that has been in power for 11 for years.

After the Erdogan government didn’t harshly or not harshly suppressed nearly a hundred speeches, comparisons began in the world press with Tiananmen Square.

In some countries of the world, actions were held in support of the Turkish people and against the policy of R. T. Erdogan. It is symptomatic that the United States was noted here. This means that the policy of the Turkish prime minister is bursting at the seams.

According to "Lenta.ru" With reference to France Press, 1 June gathered several hundred people in downtown New York to express support for the Turkish demonstrators and call on the Erdogan government for resignation.

The action took place in a park near Wall Street. Many participants dressed in red and white (colors of the Turkish flag). People held posters in English and Turkish, calling for the Turkish government to resign.

Supported by Turkish protesters and famous hackers. Grouping "Anonymus" on Monday night held a series of attacks on the websites of Turkish authorities, according to a group blog on the microblogging network "Twitter". As transmits RIA News", hackers managed to block access to a variety of government sites, including the resource of the President of Turkey and the Justice and Development Party. According to Hurriyet, the sites of some Turkish media, for example, the official Gazette of Official Gazette and the private television channel NTV, were attacked.

"Anonymus" held a rally in solidarity with the protesters in Turkey. In particular, the NTV channel was attacked for incorrect (in the opinion of the movement) coverage of the protests.

Interestingly, hacker group activists noted on Twitter that pro-government hacker groups are behind some online attacks.

This again suggests that dissatisfaction with Erdogan’s policy is so widespread that it has already spread to circles close to the government. Although, of course, rumors, sir ...

One thing is clear: within a few days, the slogans from the “greens” turned to political ones. The single demand of the rioters is the resignation not only of Erdogan, but of the entire government. Such a slogan has matured, of course, not at once and not from scratch. Dissatisfaction with the ruling party and especially the figure of Erdogan in the country has been growing for a long time. Park - the last straw, overflowing the cup of patience.

“Gezi Park is only a small part of the disgraces that Erdogan’s government creates. Erdogan is a dictator, we demand that he resign. Tomorrow we will continue to protest ", - said participant in the night protests in Ankara named Seville.

But why did the authorities of Istanbul decide to cut down trees in Gezi Park and crush Ataturk’s Cultural Center at the same time? To build a shopping and entertainment center and underground interchanges. And it seems to be an opera. The name “OccupyGezi” originated from the name of the uprooting park, which received protest actions on the network.

Alexander Bychkov (Gazeta.ru), referring to RIA "News”, Said that, demanding the resignation of Erdogan, the protesters call themselves“ Ataturk soldiers ”, oppose the Islamization of the country, call the Prime Minister a dictator and a padishah. The conflict was initiated by Erdogan himself: after all, he found it necessary to comment on mass actions. He writes, the journalist said that the Turkish government will not allow the minority to command a majority. With these words, the Prime Minister, one might say, turned the conflict into a political plane, since he stated that the main cause of the unrest is ideological.

On the streets of Ankara, notes A. Bychkov, at least 20 thousands of protesters turned out. Many of them pounded on pots and pans and chanted anti-Erdogan slogans. Ankara's governor, Alyaddin Yuksel, ordered that the prime minister’s palace, not the police, be pulled down to the palace of the prime minister.

On Sunday, the demonstrators raised Ataturk’s portraits and began chanting: “Dictator Erdogan”, “Government in retirement”, “Do not bow your head, be master of your country”, “No to fascism”, “Still Taksim, still resistance” slogans against “dry law”, Muslim schools and Islamization.

“This country was created by Ataturk. We owe him everything. Turkey is a secular country. How can our prime minister forget the covenants left by Ataturk and turn Turkey into an Islamic state? He behaves like padishah, makes decisions alone. We, the soldiers of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, will not allow anyone to take away what he fought for, ”said an elderly protester in Ankara.

It is also reported about the provocateurs, who hacked into crowds and threw stones at police. Protesters push them out and chant: “Do not throw stones!”

On the night from Sunday to Monday, Erdogan made a strange statement that “there is no project in which it is precisely stated what exactly will be built on Taksim on the site of the Ataturk Cultural Center”. He added that "maybe it will be an opera or a city museum."

To the question of the correspondent RIA News", given to many protesters: “If Erdogan resigns, who do you want to see in his place?” protesters admitted that they have not yet seen any worthy figure in the political arena of Turkey.

3 Jun. EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton expressed "deep concern" about the violence in the cities of Turkey, as well as regret about the "inappropriate use of force" by the country's police. This is stated in the official report of Ashton, transmits RBC. She expressed hope “for the speedy recovery of all injured” and called for restraint of the conflicting parties and an end to violence.

On the same day, it became known that protests against the construction of a shopping center on the site of the park were expressed by world famous trade brands. Representatives of many companies said they would not ship their products to the mall, if built, they report "Vesti". And what about Erdogan? He said that the reconstruction of the area is carried out in order to facilitate the movement of cars and vehicles. He has no intention of abandoning his construction plans.

Vladimir Avatkov (IA "REX") writes:

“The authorities planned to build a parking lot and a shopping center in the area, as well as to expand the road. And they could hardly imagine that the creation of a new one would lead to protests against the current - the current regime throughout the country. By the way, the fact that the Prime Minister of Turkey, R. T. Erdogan himself, Ottoman barracks were located in the park was also symbolic. Initially, with his reforms, Erdogan tried to drive the military into the barracks. And now I moved to the demolition of the barracks, and the reforms began to return to him a boomerang, the question is how. ”


Stanislav Tarasov (IA "REX") notes:

The “revolutionary plot” in Turkey develops according to the classical scenario. More recently, Erdogan, speaking at various meetings, welcomed the "Arab Spring", supported the "overthrow of dictators" in some countries, and stated that henceforth "Turkey can be an example of modern democracy in the region." Now the Turks call Erdogan a “dictator,” demanding his overthrow ... ”


Historian and political scientist Lev Vershinin ("But") believes that a lot in the conflict depends on the position of the West. The Kemalists in Turkey are sensitive to the opinion of the “elder brothers”, but, unlike Erdogan, who puts himself on the United States, they look to the European Union. Therefore, the outcome of the confrontation will be determined by the consensus of Brussels with Washington, which will have to share something, allowing the EU to participate in projects in the Middle East and South Caucasus. Vershinin believes that "the case will eventually end in a compromise." What kind of compromise?

Erdogan will retain the position, he will not be thrown off, but his star will start to roll. There will be no repression, and if they do, they will lead to a deterioration, which the “neo-osmans” cannot but understand, writes the historian. Erdogan’s recent victory over the army was obviously the last in the “victoria” of neo-Ottomanism. The appetites of Turkey as an independent regional player will be measured, the internal political climate will soften. In the future, it is possible that the Kemalists will return to Ankara.

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  1. svp67
    svp67 4 June 2013 08: 30 New
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    "He who sows the wind must be ready to receive a storm in response ..."
    1. Vasya Ivanov
      Vasya Ivanov 4 June 2013 09: 01 New
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      Erdogan is being punished by guys from the Fed for leniency towards Syria and a reluctance to start a full-blown war. In short, he was thrown out as a used peservative, and the chaos in the region is in general need. Everything goes according to plan.
      1. Apostle
        Apostle 4 June 2013 09: 27 New
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        Yesterday I watched a speech by one of the participants in the demonstrations, his words: “We are fighting a policy of obsessive Islamization ...”, and this is in Turkey, Muslims are fighting radical Islam, while in Europe these same Islamists are killing their soldiers, and they also asking for forgiveness ... apparently I don’t understand something request
        1. Vasya Ivanov
          Vasya Ivanov 4 June 2013 11: 19 New
          +9
          Quote: Apostle
          Yesterday I watched a speech by one of the participants in the demonstrations, his words: “We are fighting a policy of obsessive Islamization ...”, and this is in Turkey, Muslims are fighting radical Islam, while in Europe these same Islamists are killing their soldiers, and they also asking for forgiveness ... apparently I don’t understand something

          And they are also fighting Islam, but in general they are being used blindly to intimidate or overthrow Erdogan. Wait and see. If somewhere people went to the square, then the State Department needs it. There is such a sign.
          1. rolik
            rolik 4 June 2013 13: 01 New
            +9
            Quote: Vasya Ivanov
            If somewhere people went to the square, then the State Department needs it. There is such a sign.

            It is not a fact that this is the State Department. If it were him, words from the states would have already sounded in support of the protesters. Now silence and statement of fact. It seems that the State Department has not yet realized what has begun. And to punish for the uncertainty regarding Syria, could have been in other ways. Even through Europe and its desire to join the European Union, this is the first and simplest embodiment of pressure on Erdogan. But in principle, everything is correct, as it shouted and it rang out. Played with Islamic radicals. So much for their help.
            1. AndreyAB
              AndreyAB 4 June 2013 15: 47 New
              +5
              Yeah, and now to declare Erdogan’s government reactionary and to bring weapons for the protesting fighters, it’s interesting then to listen to fellow bandits in a neighboring country what they say.
              1. vlad1
                vlad1 4 June 2013 19: 51 New
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                And there are more weapons and Chechen battalions to be reinforced as volunteers
            2. T-130
              T-130 4 June 2013 16: 12 New
              +1
              Perhaps the State Department at the early stage of the revolution does not want to shine, just like an ally, a NATO member, so all NATO members claiming to be something more than they are allowed to run away if the big brother will smash them with their own hands!
              1. rolik
                rolik 4 June 2013 17: 41 New
                +2
                Quote: T-130
                Perhaps the State Department at the early stage of the revolution does not want to shine,

                Imagine some kind of woodpecker begins to minus when he sees that there are doubts about the involvement of the State Department in the events in Turechina. Most likely, he cannot enter by his own gyrus, that there are other interested parties in this matter.
            3. fokino1980
              fokino1980 4 June 2013 18: 18 New
              +1
              Dear comrades !!! (gentlemen are not with us) it seems to me that everything will soon end in peace !!! Let’s release steam and that's it !!!
            4. Aucraig
              Aucraig 4 June 2013 20: 00 New
              +3
              The State Department should now demand the introduction of a no-fly zone in Turkey, and provide the rebels with weapons, communications and money. And first of all, it is necessary to deploy Patriot missiles in Syria. To establish democracy and overthrow the dictatorial regime of Erdogan.
            5. Botanologist
              Botanologist 4 June 2013 23: 01 New
              +4
              Quote: rolik
              It seems that the State Department has not yet realized what has begun


              The problem is not what started. The problem is how we can take advantage of this.
          2. cdrt
            cdrt 4 June 2013 17: 33 New
            0
            you have the same people have a body, and the State Department has his head and will wink wink
        2. Ustas
          Ustas 4 June 2013 14: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Apostle
          . apparently I do not understand something

          Seek someone profitable!
          1. washi
            washi 4 June 2013 15: 05 New
            0
            Who gives money for all this?
          2. cdrt
            cdrt 4 June 2013 17: 35 New
            0
            Enlighten - to whom?
            Request based on facts only
        3. fokino1980
          fokino1980 4 June 2013 18: 14 New
          +3
          So Yes!!! The inconsistency was outlined !!! In general, the EU leadership reminds me of a hysterical woman or a type of woman in a man, not to make out. Hysteria resentment and persistence in the desire to spoil the offender wink
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 4 June 2013 22: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: fokino1980
            In general, the EU leadership reminds me of a hysterical woman or a type of woman in a man, not to make out

            These same Arnold Schwarzenegger, when he was governor of California, once called "girly men". So the liberals couldn’t calm down for a couple of weeks, they say, homophobic and finally ay-ay-ay, not politically correct. But Arnold never apologized.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 4 June 2013 22: 31 New
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            Quote: fokino1980
            In general, the EU leadership reminds me of a hysterical woman or a type of woman in a man, not to make out

            These same Arnold Schwarzenegger, when he was governor of California, once called "girly men". So the liberals couldn’t calm down for a couple of weeks, they say, homophobic and finally ay-ay-ay, not politically correct. But Arnold never apologized.
      2. Vasya Ivanov
        Vasya Ivanov 4 June 2013 09: 33 New
        +1
        Began to minus. I’ll explain, not my plans, but the guys from the Fed and their cap.
      3. Very old
        Very old 4 June 2013 10: 20 New
        +2
        But it’s not yet clear where this plan is written.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 4 June 2013 11: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Old very
          But it’s not yet clear where this plan is written.

          but for Obama this is the most convenient reason to refuse to support the militants in Syria, keeping their face ... the face of the American U-turn in Syria ..
          and Israel most likely will have to bite the bit, for it is not clear where the Turks will be deployed now, something like Erdogan Vasya Vasya and Bibi)))
          In some countries of the world, actions were held in support of the Turkish people and against the policies of R. T. Erdogan. It is symptomatic that the United States was also noted here. This means that the policy of the Turkish Prime Minister

          maybe the exchange went on in the Middle East .... probably soon it will be necessary to look at another part of the Middle East, the Asia-Pacific region and Central Asia ..... imha.
          1. Toit
            Toit 5 June 2013 08: 01 New
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            Quote: Scoun
            and Israel most likely will have to bite the bit, for it is not clear where the Turks will be deployed now, something like Erdogan Vasya Vasya and Bibi))

            They hate Erdogan in Israel, he ruined relations between our countries from really friendly to hostile, brought Turkey closer to radical Islam, and openly supports Hamas.
            Israeli media write boiling water with happiness when they show performances in Turkey.
            It has been written about Syria more than once that Israel will benefit from the civil war in Syria, until Assad defeats it, and not scumbags.
            So, God help the Turks.
      4. sincman
        sincman 4 June 2013 10: 30 New
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        Quote: Vasya Ivanov
        In short, he was thrown out as a used peserva

        There comes a time when every inhabitant of planet Earth must decide for himself one main question - is he ready to put up with the role of a condom, be used and then go to the trash ?! This applies to literally everyone - both leaders and businessmen of any rank, even the highest, and ordinary commoners. There are plenty of precedents and examples of this in the world! As long as you play a role in a planetary drama called "Creating the 'New World Order'" you are given some time to live for yourself. But surely the time comes and you are being cleaned up as unnecessary! This also applies to rulers - for example, Gaddafi, Mubarak, and now Erdogan, etc. (All of them kissed the gums with the top of the pyramid) and now when they have fulfilled their role they were destroyed or they began the destruction process. This also applies to the common people - the rebels of Libya, having destroyed their comfortable life, became poor ragged people without a future, the rebels of Syria in the process of destruction. Now they were joined by the rebels of Turkey and Kyrgyzstan, etc. etc.
        We are all brushwood for someone else's fire! And the sooner each individual is aware of this, from small to large, from poor to rich, the sooner we will begin to become real masters of our life, our future.
        The motto of all the actions of the Masters of the world is "Bolivar will not stand two ...". They need to answer the same phrase!
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 4 June 2013 11: 27 New
          +8
          Quote: sincman
          the rebels of Libya, destroying their comfortable life became poor beggars without a future

          It would be interesting to ask them ... how is life good now? .... calmly? for this hamster fought?
          probably in the internet then it will be possible to find something .. on this topic.
          1. OTTO
            OTTO 4 June 2013 14: 36 New
            +5
            Quote: Scoun
            It would be interesting to ask them ... how is life good now? .... calmly? for this hamster fought?

            Beggars but FREE NOO but by the way, to large uncles who shared power, the problems of the one-time ... hamster ... are of little interest.
            1. washi
              washi 4 June 2013 15: 11 New
              0
              I wish our compatriots who voted, campaigned, and "fought" for our "freedom" would be poor. And then picked up, scum, but they forgot about us.
        2. washi
          washi 4 June 2013 15: 07 New
          0
          Who was written off?
          I usually give a footnote
      5. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 June 2013 10: 44 New
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        Quote: Vasya Ivanov
        Erdogan punished by guys from the Fed s

        Turanchox punished himself, wanted to build a new empire, support the terrorists.
        On the site, everyone said that he would end badly.
      6. the polar
        the polar 4 June 2013 15: 22 New
        +6
        Quote: Vasya Ivanov
        Erdogan is being punished by guys from the Fed for leniency to Syria and unwillingness to start a full-scale war.

        And why doesn’t it occur to anyone that forced Islamization merely hardened the people. Women do not want to wear hijabs, and men five times a day somersaulting their ass for the sake of prayer. And no one wants to shed their blood and fight for the "great Ottoman Empire" and "the will of Allah everywhere and in everything."
        I think that this desire is much stronger than any horror stories like the Fed. Do not intimidate yourself with the "omnipotent power of the Fed", otherwise you will quietly turn into slaves of the invisible Fed.
        1. antibanukurayza
          antibanukurayza 4 June 2013 16: 53 New
          -2
          Not a people, but a crowd imagining themselves to be civilized Europeans. Who want to drink vodka to the point of extinction, make friends anywhere and anyone, listen to the obscene stage of half-naked prostitutes and jerk parts of their body to a zombie meaningless song about the meaning of life. From the point of view of improving the nation, a healthy lifestyle and moral education of youth, the government is doing the right thing, which revives religion and restricts alcohol.
          And not "somersault", as you put it, but to fulfill religious duties. Dear, do not forget that Muslims also sit on this site, and practicing Muslims who do not tumble five times a day, but read namaz.
          Show respect for the feelings of other religions. Sometimes it is better to remain silent than blurt out what you know nothing at all.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 4 June 2013 17: 49 New
            +7
            My dear, people do not judge by themselves.
            If for you the availability of alcohol is only “drink vodka until it comes to an end,” these are your problems.
            If you see only "... half-naked prostitutes ..." on the stage, this is again your problem.
            Not every woman you saw (wanted?) Is not a fully dressed prostitute.
            Work on yourself and their number around you will drastically decrease wink
            Like on the beach, girls in open swimsuits are not prostitutes, but just vacationers wink

            And you probably should not impose your faith.
            Well, the educated population of Turkey does not want obligatory prayers.

            For the sake of Erdogan’s similar “recovery” of the nation, it seems that it will be necessary to shoot, and it is also necessary to drive the country into the Middle Ages.
            1. antibanukurayza
              antibanukurayza 9 June 2013 10: 57 New
              -2
              This was my answer to a specific person to his specific statement about religious precepts, which are holy for a Muslim as well as Easter or Christmas for a Christian. Everyone has their own understanding of religion and, unfortunately, Islam is distorted to such a form that it disgusts representatives of other religions. People despise not only Muslims, but also religion itself, because they think their religion teaches this. But this is not so. It is beneficial for our common enemies — the United States, Europe, and Israel — to represent Islam in this form, which is why their special services support representatives of extremist circles, whom they themselves created. Islamic terrorism is not a religion, but geopolitics. True Islam and representatives of true religion are not profitable for them. The imposition of religion is contrary to the principles of Islam, since the Qur'an is our guide as well as the gospel for Christians. And there it says: "There is no compulsion in religion!" (Surah al-Bakar). And it says there: "Do not speak badly about the religion of others, because due to a lack of knowledge about Islam, they will say bad things about Islam." We Muslims strictly adhere to the instructions of the Qur'an and do not slander the religious rites of other faiths, as some do.
              And what I wrote about vodka, obscene music, etc. - I just quoted the words of an Orthodox priest. http://www.youtube.com/watch? v = w7F6UeJ1nQ4
              It may not be entirely successful, and out of place, but what has been done is done.
          2. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 4 June 2013 23: 27 New
            +2
            and the representatives of "other religions" didn’t forget by chance that some people of these "other religions" do not want to?
        2. Lukich
          Lukich 5 June 2013 08: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Polar
          Do not intimidate yourself with the "omnipotent power of the Fed", otherwise you will quietly turn into slaves of the invisible Fed.


          Do you have dollars? - who prints them you know? - here you have the Fed ...
      7. denn
        denn 4 June 2013 18: 52 New
        +1
        Somehow I also adhere to this opinion. But here the question torments ... But is his resignation profitable for us? Erdogan, although not a gift, but still rested against all the limbs against the outbreak of war against Syria. Amers will not allow the statists to come to power; they need an obedient puppet who will do everything right.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 4 June 2013 23: 28 New
          0
          we benefit from the crisis there ...
          and as for Erdogan’s position in Syria, he didn’t want war, he tried to sit on two chairs ...
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 5 June 2013 01: 48 New
            -4
            Are you sure where you will sell gas at 25 billion a year, maybe Syria?
    2. T-100
      T-100 4 June 2013 09: 03 New
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      What beautiful Turkish women in the first photo and on 19, I would be with them ...)
      1. Vasya Ivanov
        Vasya Ivanov 4 June 2013 09: 19 New
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        Kabelina, we’re talking about serious things and he’s talking about women. Although true, the girls are pretty.
        1. Ataman
          Ataman 4 June 2013 10: 07 New
          +6
          And in place of people with 4,7,11 and 12 photos you do not want?
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 4 June 2013 11: 18 New
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Turanchox punished himself, wanted to build a new empire, support the terrorists.
            On the site, everyone said that he would end badly.



            Quote: T-100
            What beautiful Turkish women in the first photo



            Quote: Ataman
            And in place of people with 4,7,11 and 12 photos you do not want?



            They don’t want to wear beautiful Turkish women wearing a burqa! And their men are clearly also against how to hide such beauty in rags (and mentally I am with them), so I have to endure it, as in the photo of the above!
            The people of TURKEY themselves want to remain in the ranks of secular states, and it pleases me, at least!
            ALL GOOD DAY — MY FRIENDS! hi
        2. washi
          washi 4 June 2013 15: 14 New
          +3
          Still would. How many years Slavs, Arab women dragged to their harems
      2. Dima190579
        Dima190579 4 June 2013 09: 22 New
        +4
        Adrenaline makes people more beautiful.
        1. rolik
          rolik 4 June 2013 13: 04 New
          +9
          Quote: Dima190579
          Adrenaline makes people more beautiful

          Say this to the uncle who was planted between the legs between the legs (pictured). Here he probably adrenoline rose belay lol
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 4 June 2013 13: 41 New
            +6
            Quote: rolik
            Quote: Dima190579
            Adrenaline makes people more beautiful

            Say this to the uncle who was planted between the legs between the legs (pictured). Here he probably adrenoline rose belay lol

            Erdogan is much worse than this uncle! laughing A man comes to his senses-Erdogan never.
            Maybe now his mouth will be less open on Assad!
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 4 June 2013 18: 22 New
            +2
            .
            Quote: rolik
            Here he probably adrenoline rose

            He seems to have no more adrenaline ...
      3. RUSSIA 2013
        RUSSIA 2013 4 June 2013 09: 25 New
        17
        Erdogan was simply leaked, oh, I don’t envy him, wait a minute they will show him for Syria, but by and large I’m glad that there will be less than one six (amer-homosexual, euro zone).
        1. a52333
          a52333 4 June 2013 09: 46 New
          +4
          And an hour, did the FSB have a hand in this? It may well be.
          1. strannik595
            strannik595 4 June 2013 10: 13 New
            10
            and these people told us that they’re picking their nose in an undemocratic way (Erdogans, Obama, militans and other about Bolotnaya) laughing laughing laughing
          2. washi
            washi 4 June 2013 15: 16 New
            +4
            Yeah of course. Only the FSB, unfortunately, is prohibited by law from acting outside our territory
          3. cdrt
            cdrt 4 June 2013 17: 55 New
            0
            judging by the condemning intonations in the story of the protesters on official channels, our authorities are more likely on the side of Erdogan (perhaps it is true that they are simply on the side of any authorities and against any statements)
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 4 June 2013 23: 33 New
              0
              something did not notice much condemnation ...
              rather a statement of the fact of the riots ....
          4. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 4 June 2013 23: 32 New
            +1
            not the FSB Komrad, but the SVR officers :)
            and yes, an acceptable version
        2. Vasya Ivanov
          Vasya Ivanov 4 June 2013 11: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: RUSSIA 2013
          but by and large I'm glad that at least one of the six (amero-homosexual, euro zone) will be less.

          Sooner you rejoice, another will be appointed in his place, and no one knows how he will manifest himself.
          1. RUSSIA 2013
            RUSSIA 2013 4 June 2013 12: 03 New
            +3
            Sooner you rejoice, another will be appointed in his place, but no one knows how he will manifest himself. [/ Quote]
            But if he is a smart person, after her allies threw Turkey, the relations between them are clearly getting colder, and he will begin to squeeze out militants with a pile of territory, since no one needs extra hemorrhoids. Erdogan was sympathetic to Islamists, and Turks want to be a secular state if after the removal of Erdogan his successor continues his policy then Turkey will face a civil war.
      4. washi
        washi 4 June 2013 15: 13 New
        +1
        Usually the opposite. Our go there and are engaged in prostitution
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 4 June 2013 23: 35 New
          0
          who is yours?
      5. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 4 June 2013 18: 16 New
        +1
        They don’t argue about tastes, I won’t even turn around. By the standards of our city, the third grade is not a marriage)))
    3. Mr.M
      Mr.M 4 June 2013 10: 10 New
      12
      Turkey seems to be on the list of the State Department rotation of objectionable countries and regimes :)
      In Syria, it doesn’t work and it’s not possible — then we will go to you :)
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 4 June 2013 10: 29 New
        18
        Turkey very rashly found chemical weapons from anti-Syrian terrorists.
        1. sincman
          sincman 4 June 2013 10: 38 New
          +7
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Turkey very rashly found chemical weapons from anti-Syrian terrorists.

          This is the key reason for the start of a "nationwide" riot in defense of a small park - a brothel of prostitutes and drug addicts. This find puts an end to all the provocations of the West with the notorious "Red Line"! This West does not forgive anyone.

          If such a find had not happened, the people would be sitting at home now and watching TV!
          1. 755962
            755962 4 June 2013 13: 08 New
            11
            Turkish revolution in photographs
            http://mixednews.ru/archives/37042
    4. washi
      washi 4 June 2013 15: 02 New
      +1
      I did not understand to whom or what it was - in the light of the consideration of this article.
      You mean the government of Attaturk, which concluded a peace treaty with the RSFSR, or the modern government, which dances westward, but at the same time wants to restore the Turkish empire, with the inclusion of our Caucasus, Crimea, Volga region, which fell under the influence of Islam, Kazakhstan and Central Asia
      1. 755962
        755962 4 June 2013 16: 45 New
        +1
        Turkey riots: media report new victim

        Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1666938.html#ixzz2VFcyZnGr
        Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
        On June 3, another person died from injuries sustained in riots in Turkey. The deceased - 22-year-old Abdullah Komert - died in a hospital from gunshot wounds received during a riot in Hatay province.


        Earlier it was reported about the death of a young man injured during the protests. He was injured on June 2 when a taxi car crashed into a crowd of protesters in Istanbul. According to CNN, the number of victims of the riots in Turkey in two days amounted to at least 3195 people, of which about 25 are in serious condition.



        Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1666938.html#ixzz2VFd6vSLf
        Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
        1. 755962
          755962 4 June 2013 16: 47 New
          +2
          Anti-government demonstrations in Turkey have reached resorts
          The geography of turmoil in Turkey is expanding. Clashes began in cities in the east of the country, and demonstrations made their way to resorts - it was already restless in Bodrum. In addition, today the most influential Confederation of Civil Service Trade Unions has joined the protests in the form of a strike.

          See the original material at http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/234494
          See the original material at http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/234494
  2. Orel
    Orel 4 June 2013 08: 33 New
    24
    For that fought for it and ran. Wanted "democracy" in Syria? Get "democracy" and at home. The most amusing thing is that the West threw Turkey under these conditions and stated: “That the Turkish authorities are excessively cruel to democratic manifestations”
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 4 June 2013 08: 35 New
      +3
      Beat ahead hi Well, I will not change the post, let there be the same beginning drinks
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 4 June 2013 18: 01 New
      0
      But one can assume that the West as a concept is simply heterogeneous.
      Some are pushing Islamists throughout the BV (USA, WB).
      Others do not know what position to take (Germany is the same), yet there are already millions of their Muslim population. In addition, there is dissonance in each country - for, against, nevermind, we are looking for our interest, etc.
      So they condemn - at the same time Assad, and Erdogan, and Gaddafi, etc.
  3. avant-garde
    avant-garde 4 June 2013 08: 33 New
    +3
    For what, as they say, they fought and ran !!! The simple people are sorry, because it’s not these cattle that carry the “democracy” that perish, but ordinary people. Well, in my opinion, patience will end soon and people are simply lynching these supreme democrats.
  4. botur
    botur 4 June 2013 08: 38 New
    +2
    Chet, how quickly people began to cool down to democracy, to see in appearance it is good, but to sniff?
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 June 2013 08: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: botur
      Chet, how quickly people began to cool down to democracy, to see in appearance it is good, but to sniff?

      ... and if you taste it, then immediately - vomiting
      1. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 4 June 2013 11: 55 New
        +2
        - And if you swallow it, the forecast is difficult - a fatal outcome!
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 4 June 2013 18: 04 New
      0
      What is the connection between democracy and Islamists in Turkey?
      At the very least, democracy involves taking into account the interests of the minority (in their case, the minority is visible with 40% of the population).
      And here is ochlocracy - using the support of the least wealthy, educated layers of power, it abolishes the secular state, returning the Middle Ages.
  5. Boris55
    Boris55 4 June 2013 08: 39 New
    +2
    Revolutions, like everything else, do not happen by themselves. Someone organizes them.
    See Erdogan poorly copes with the responsibilities assigned to him in Syria, and the reason for the indignation can always be found in the same way as the rams for its implementation.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 June 2013 08: 58 New
      23
      Quote: Boris55
      the reason for the indignation can always be found in the same way as the rams for its implementation.

      How to say!
      “For three months, the action“ Rise, Ukraine! ”Raged across the country, but for some reason Turkey rebelled.” (A. Zubchenko) laughing
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 4 June 2013 09: 49 New
        12
        Quote: Egoza
        “For three months, the action“ Rise, Ukraine! ”Raged across the country, but for some reason Turkey rebelled.” (A. Zubchenko)

        Maybe Ukrainian tourists rebelled? Who cares where to buzz? laughing
        1. knn54
          knn54 4 June 2013 20: 47 New
          +1
          -Three months throughout the country, the action "Rise, Ukraine!"
          It is strange why the Crimean Tatars are silent ... Just wondering, for whom are they?
          PS Erdogan called on the "international community" to condemn the Syrian attacks against civilians and to "stand united in the face of cruelty and aggression."
          "Treat people (including Syria) the way you want to be treated."
          The golden rule of morality.
      2. MG42
        MG42 4 June 2013 12: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        For three months, the action “Rise, Ukraine!”

        Tymoshenko gave a command to curl up, it’s not enough sense, they shouted like a haul, they drove around the cities basically the same extras ..
        1. washi
          washi 4 June 2013 15: 20 New
          +3
          The money ran out


          Have you run out of money?
          Hooool was born - a Jew strangled himself.
          And here Julia and with those and with those in kinship
      3. OTTO
        OTTO 4 June 2013 15: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        “For three months, the action“ Rise, Ukraine! ”Raged across the country, but for some reason Turkey rebelled.”

        Well, where could they rise there wink .
    2. Nitup
      Nitup 4 June 2013 11: 16 New
      +2
      Of course! The fact that our special services had a hand in this is unlikely. Most likely, this is a fairly intelligible signal to Erdogan to be more decisive on the Syrian issue. Or else an attempt to displace him and put an even larger puppet. And the detention of the capture of 12 fighters with chemical. weapons on the border with Syria was the last straw and the patience of the West burst. And the people, without understanding anything, contribute to these goals. Just like in Egypt, people wanted democracy, but they got what they got. And after all, Mubarak was also a puppet of the USA and where is he now?
    3. the polar
      the polar 4 June 2013 15: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: Boris55
      Revolutions, like everything else, do not happen by themselves. Someone organizes them.

      Do not forget that in Turkey, the pro-proletarian officer corps has been very influential for decades. And Erdogan almost the entire highest composition of 450 officers put on trial. Because they actively resisted the Islamization of Turkey. So in Turkey, Erdogan has his own powerful opponent, whom he severely infringed upon stupidity. Now it seems the time has come for reckoning. Therefore, Fashington is at a loss as he was clearly out of business here, and had not yet decided who to support.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 4 June 2013 18: 06 New
        +3
        Here is the most reasonable comment so far wink
  6. BARKAS
    BARKAS 4 June 2013 08: 59 New
    +5
    Erdogan started playing democracy and decided that the consequences of color revolutions did not threaten him, but it won’t turn out any dirty tricks to your neighbor and you would be happy.
    Yes, I read here an interesting opinion on faith is not worth taking, but still
    http://www.russia.ru/news/politics/2013/6/3/12327.html
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 4 June 2013 13: 09 New
      0
      Quote: BARKAS
      http://www.russia.ru/news/politics/2013/6/3/12327.html

      A custom-made purely pro-Erdogan pro-Islamic article, well, let it be cleaner under the Islamists, but it’s better for me to be dirty, but the state is not Sharia but secular, it is more important to me!
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 4 June 2013 18: 06 New
      +2
      Erdogan himself is essentially a product of the color revolution (though it was held in election mode)
  7. JonnyT
    JonnyT 4 June 2013 09: 02 New
    +4
    Maybe ours tried? Someone very well coordinates the actions of the demonstrators. Or patrons leaked Erdogan for lethargy in Syria? Or maybe he himself created the prerequisites for this with his stupid looks and domestic politics?
    The mystery is the reason. One thing is clear that Mr. E .... is a political corpse!
    1. Prophetic
      Prophetic 4 June 2013 09: 29 New
      +6
      Our tried? !!! Every technology needs to be worked out. And this means that there should be a history of trials and inevitable errors. Well, where is she with us? Don't you see how everything is clear in Turkey? First in the capital, then in 80 other cities, all of a sudden, flags and tents in the main square, food stalls for protesters, the US statement about the "disproportion", and the attack on Turkey on the stock market (-10% for one day). Everything is like a note. Soon the Kurds will demand independence ...
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 4 June 2013 10: 33 New
        +6
        Kurds will have to demand independence from many, and this is even greater instability ....
        States can also benefit from this situation. Nobody will touch their bases in Turkey. Unless, of course, a person with pro-Russian views comes to power, which is very fantastic
      2. Grigorich 1962
        Grigorich 1962 4 June 2013 16: 31 New
        +2
        Well, yes .... Erdogan’s GDP warned ... but he didn’t heed the advice ...
  8. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 4 June 2013 09: 05 New
    +6
    Erdogan wanted to show that he was not intimidated by demonstrations and began to act harshly, if not cruelly. A little more, and the situation could get out of hand if the Americans had not restrained the excessively zealous Erdogan.
  9. domokl
    domokl 4 June 2013 09: 05 New
    10
    It seems to me that the events in Turkey have a clear connection with Syria. There are enough smart people in Turkey to understand where the wind is blowing and whose blood will pave the way for Syrian democracy. The rest is nothing but a sign and the work of government media ..
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 4 June 2013 19: 15 New
      +1
      if the Erdogan government does not want to fight Syria, then it’s easier then to recruit mercenaries in the chaos ... but where is the closest to Syria and the easiest to create chaos? right in Turkey. and there are a lot of people there, for a long time it’s enough to feed the ranks of mercenaries.
  10. sys-1985
    sys-1985 4 June 2013 09: 07 New
    +7
    For that fought for it and ran! Somehow everything is already clearly painfully happening, it seems like sabotage. Apparently those who are engaged in revolutions have reached a certain class.
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 4 June 2013 13: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: sys-1985
      Somehow everything is already clearly painfully happening, it seems like sabotage.

      I noticed the same, and the protesters are well equipped with respirators, glasses, well organized .. here the police are more like rabble. Although perhaps no one is behind them, it’s just that the Turks themselves took into account the experience of revolutions in neighboring countries and organized themselves ..
      1. 101
        101 5 June 2013 00: 24 New
        0
        Quote: DEfindER
        but just the Turks themselves

        Quote: DEfindER
        but just the Turks themselves

        It’s just that the mother calls her father to work, let’s say home, our people came bruised by the police, bruised by the father, he runs home from work and sees his people beaten up and already in the morning on the street the father and his comrades begin to find out by what right his people came to the house covered in blood do not like when someone offends their people
  11. Dima190579
    Dima190579 4 June 2013 09: 08 New
    10
    If Bolotnikov had been so dispersed, howling it was, and so in Turkey, democracy can do everything for them. Here are the same photographs of the protest. http://mixednews.ru/archives/37042
  12. Gladius
    Gladius 4 June 2013 09: 12 New
    13
    Well, finally, Erdogan will feel on his skin "all the charm" of the Arab spring! Qatar, Saudi Arabia and other balamutes - wait for the visit of the artificially created revolution by you ... Still, the "boomerang law" is in effect!
  13. My address
    My address 4 June 2013 09: 15 New
    +7
    A person throwing poop to a neighbor, it is helpful to get one yourself by such a face.
  14. Dima190579
    Dima190579 4 June 2013 09: 16 New
    +2
    And what kind of snail horns in the 5th picture?
  15. Trailer
    Trailer 4 June 2013 09: 18 New
    +8
    And I sincerely believe in the democratic aspirations of the Turkish people and our specialists)
    1. Dima190579
      Dima190579 4 June 2013 09: 25 New
      +6
      I also sincerely believed in the victory of democracy in 1991/1 of the land in 6.
  16. ale-x
    ale-x 4 June 2013 09: 19 New
    +3
    Western colleagues decided to "merge" too frisky Erdogan. Looks like they no longer need it. Has the vector of efforts of the West changed or turned around, or perhaps even reached a dead end?
    Turkey is a strong state, maybe its "time has come"?
  17. smersh70
    smersh70 4 June 2013 09: 20 New
    +3
    .... the point is not Erdogan .... the Turks have a good feature - inside the country there are massively organized parties that fight each other inside the country to the point of blood, but when the problem of the unity of civil society or the state arises, the warring parties arise under one single flags are now fighting together against someone else .....
    1. mabuta
      mabuta 4 June 2013 13: 30 New
      +4
      In my opinion, the warriors are involved here. How much he "demobilized" them. Where will they direct their skill, their education, their caste, their revenge. Perhaps the people have already realized that in vain they demanded a change of the military regime to democracy, which for some reason brings the country to Islamization.
    2. Fidain
      Fidain 4 June 2013 14: 58 New
      +1
      I understand smersh70 that trying to imagine this is normal, but not convincing !!! And to say now what it is, “Turkish Spring” in the midst of summer, or this is a lesson to Erdogan or to Turkey, they lost interest and quietly merged, I’ll say a not popular thing, but maybe the SVR worked (I just admit). But now it’s very difficult to see the full picture, only when the <smoke of democracy> can we say what happened in Turkey, a lesson or a sentence ...
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 4 June 2013 22: 30 New
        -4
        I didn’t say. it’s normal or convincing, but just stating vacca ....
        Yes, where does the SVR, but here, nothing to do with it, well, if the Armenian intelligence. then I admit wink
        and about the 3rd part, I fully agree with YOU !!!!!! as smoke does not dissipate, it’s difficult and difficult to say something !!!!!! hi
      2. Our
        Our 13 December 2013 18: 51 New
        +1
        Well, the Arab spring has passed)! A handful of Kurds of Armenians and other part of the discontented population trying to shake the country have long been forgotten. And here it becomes clear who is the friend of the country and who is the enemy. Now they will clean up slowly. bad. thin for those who rubbed their hands with a smile on their faces seeing chaos on the street.
  18. SCS
    SCS 4 June 2013 09: 24 New
    +5
    now also the security forces, overly tough, gathered to punish !!!))) and so they will soon turn their backs on the government! then it’s like a revolution ... some kind of weird Erdogan!
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 5 June 2013 13: 36 New
      0
      Turkish soldiers prevent clashes between police and protesting citizens


      In Turkey, protests by the population continue. The Turkish army does not intervene in this confrontation.

      This time, protesting citizens gathered for a rally in the city of Hatay in southeastern Turkey, by their actions they wanted to demonstrate support for the protesters in the city of Gezi in Istanbul. The newspaper Yeni Şafak writes about this.

      As a result, the city authorities decided to disperse the protesters, however, the Turkish Armed Forces intervened in the confrontation, who stood as a "living screen" between the police and protesting citizens.


      - See more at: http://www.minval.az/news/9846/#sthash.P2MQu6mU.dpuf
  19. IRBIS
    IRBIS 4 June 2013 09: 28 New
    +6
    It all started with protecting the trees. It was only then that someone put memories into their heads of everything negative under Eodogan. And a ride, and even very much. He simply imagines himself to be a sort of “father” of the Great Turkic, put himself on a par with Attaturk. Just the opposite - he began to flirt with the Islamists in a complete way, he tried to unite something. The Turkish people, apparently, did not appreciate his "good" intentions, they do not want to live only according to Sharia law. And then there is Syria, and its movements on this issue are clearly under someone’s dictation. So comrade received a "gift", a kind of burp of the Arab spring.
    1. tomas.09
      tomas.09 4 June 2013 11: 38 New
      +5
      Well, right, there will be Sharia, there will be no tourists, everything is like in Ebibt))))
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 4 June 2013 18: 11 New
        0
        And we will go to Greece, which is a pity - in Turkey it is really cheaper wink
        In Egypt, Islamists already say women swim in clothes over swimsuits
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 4 June 2013 11: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      It all started with protecting the trees

      Yeah, "Khimki Forest" in Turkish laughing
    3. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 5 June 2013 07: 59 New
      +1
      Erdogan slowly, slowly, tried to Islamize the country. Very many do not like it. Plus, he also had his hand in increasing pressure on Assad (the result of this pressure may lead not only to the Islamization of Syria, but to the emergence of a state controlled by terrorists), which is the leader of a secular country.
  20. Owl
    Owl 4 June 2013 09: 29 New
    11
    There is a good Russian proverb "Do not dig another hole, you yourself will fall into it." Erdogan strove into this very pit with cruising speed. Let's see how it will be selected. It is advisable not to get out.
    1. Prophetic
      Prophetic 4 June 2013 09: 50 New
      +6
      What, is Erdogan "digging a hole" in Libya, Egypt, etc.? TURKEY IS DRAINED IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN "The New Middle East and Great Israel", presented back in 2006. What are you happy about? Fulfillment of the enemy’s plan? Yes, Erdogan was a naive moron when for some reason he believed that the owners would spare him. For which he paid. But it’s more profitable for us now to support and hold Erdogan, to turn him to friendship with Syria. Maybe the Saudi princes on his example will finally understand that they are all with Assad and Gaddafi in the same boat? Although, it is unlikely ... Too arrogant ...
      1. Prophetic
        Prophetic 4 June 2013 10: 39 New
        0
        Set aside, the plan was presented not in 2006, but in 2003 to Bush Junior.
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER 4 June 2013 13: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Prophetic
        But it’s more profitable for us now to support and hold Erdogan, to turn him to friendship with Syria.

        Well, people like Erdogan don’t change, but Russia shouldn’t sit idly by, take advantage of the situation and advance pro-Russian forces to power .. In addition, a significant part of the Turkish economy depends on us, as they say all the cards in hand, just take and do !
        1. washi
          washi 4 June 2013 15: 34 New
          0
          Refuse the Turkish resorts. A large country has everything in it, and service replaces normal human relationships. They can create all the conditions without money, but they can strip the cost of the best hotel, with all the servants in the kit.
      3. Seraph
        Seraph 4 June 2013 21: 08 New
        +2
        And here is the picture that was drawn in America. It is necessary to imprison such artists in the dispensary and issue a map of the world-puzzle, so that they can be comforted. Cannibals
  21. Lopatov
    Lopatov 4 June 2013 09: 31 New
    +2
    Nothing will be there. Rebels "creative class." Spontaneously. Sponsors of color revolutions will not support this. Neither local nor Euro-Atlantic.

    Erdogan can sleep peacefully. Change the Constitution slowly and change seats in the president’s chair.
    1. washi
      washi 4 June 2013 15: 36 New
      0
      Who are the "creative class"
      Creative is creation.
      THOSE. Rebellious workers, engineers, peasants?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 4 June 2013 15: 40 New
        +1
        "Creative class" is a self-name. If the workers start to rebel with the peasants, then Erdogan will have problems.
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 4 June 2013 18: 13 New
        +2
        engineers - yes, rebellion. The peasants are not, the Islamists. Workers are silent (yes there are not many of them there)
    2. washi
      washi 4 June 2013 15: 36 New
      0
      Who are the "creative class"
      Creative is creation.
      THOSE. Rebellious workers, engineers, peasants?
  22. vorobey
    vorobey 4 June 2013 09: 48 New
    +7
    Good day to all.

    March today you paid a lot of attention to Turkey.
    If I did not read my comments yesterday in the mozayka, then I repeat.

    This is not a revolution. This is a warning to Erdogan not to get out of the stall. Poke a snout in the Middle East. One must be obedient. The scope of Turkey is the Caucasus and the Black Sea.

    Three days later, Turkey will be quiet and calm.
    1. Prophetic
      Prophetic 4 June 2013 09: 56 New
      +4
      It may well be that way. At the present stage. But according to the plan, the result for Turkey is one. Erdogan's expense. Economy to landfill. The coming to power of the Islamists. Branch of the "free" Kurdistan.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 4 June 2013 10: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: Prophetic
        The coming to power of the Islamists. Branch of the "free" Kurdistan


        Here I do not agree with you. Erdogan is nobody, but Turkey does not need to be buried.

        The principle of the governor in the region. I would do the same in the state. The countries of the region are in chaos and one who is watching over corruption. The Middle East is not even Qatar and not the Saudis, but Israel. Europe - Britain. Indochina - here's the snag. Still betting on China (current negotiations with China - an attempt to persuade to cohabit) or Japan? Well, Turkey - I will not repeat.
    2. Mart
      4 June 2013 10: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      Good day to all.

      March today you paid a lot of attention to Turkey.
      If I did not read my comments yesterday in the mozayka, then I repeat.


      Oh, hello, Sasha! No, I did not read yesterday. I'm glad to see you".
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 4 June 2013 10: 38 New
        +4
        Hello hello. also glad that again I can read you at least occasionally.

        Do you have any forecasts?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 June 2013 10: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          Do you have any forecasts?

          Here is my prediction, Erdogan overthrown hi
          Oleg hi
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 4 June 2013 13: 24 New
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Here is my prediction, Erdogan overthrown

            It is unlikely that he came to power in a democratic way, analysts say the rating has risen even more, everything started there and for some laws, mostly alcohol
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 June 2013 10: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: vorobey

      Three days later, Turkey will be quiet and calm.

      Hi Sanya! Are you sure that in three days there will be no shooting? It may calm down, but maybe not. request
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 4 June 2013 11: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Are you sure that in three days there will be no shooting?


        Hi Sanya. I live a long time, I see a lot.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 June 2013 12: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          I live a long time, I see a lot.

          Yes, I also lived quite a few, but I did not think that Mubarak was overthrown.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 4 June 2013 12: 15 New
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, I also lived quite a few, but I did not think that Mubarak was overthrown.

            Erdogan cool cleaned up the army elite and this can play a role in the long run. The army does not forgive this and will remember for a very long time!
            And the army elite prefers a secular lifestyle, so anything is possible!
            Or, Erdogan will have to drastically change his views on the conduct of domestic politics (primarily) in his country!
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 4 June 2013 13: 32 New
        0
        Everything began to subside! People made it clear to Erdogan that he should be removed! hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 June 2013 13: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Everything started to subside!

          Judging by the news, everything is just beginning. 3 dead, 3500 wounded. In all cities you are in full swing. you probably watch the media of Azerbaijan, then look at other channels
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 4 June 2013 14: 15 New
            0
            I watch Turkish media, one of the dead killed 2, the car could not stop, the second died yesterday in Reyhanl where the bomb exploded not long ago, someone hit the head with a hard object, not a gunshot wound hi
            1. rereture
              rereture 4 June 2013 14: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: ayyildiz
              I am Turkish media



              With this phrase you explained everything.
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 4 June 2013 14: 49 New
                0
                Quote: rereture
                With this phrase you explained everything.


                If you think that all 400 Turkish bodies. the channel is supported by governments then you are deeply mistaken hi
                1. rereture
                  rereture 4 June 2013 14: 54 New
                  +3
                  They do not support, but there are no completely independent media. It is unlikely that the Turkish media began to raise a panic, and set people up against the authorities. By the way, the guy was shot by police. Yes, and see how the people are dispersed there.
                  1. Our
                    Our 13 December 2013 21: 49 New
                    0
                    But if only they sowed panic and raised people, then this is no longer independence))) hi
              2. Our
                Our 13 December 2013 21: 48 New
                +1
                Unlike Russia, the press in Turkey is independent.
  23. alicante11
    alicante11 4 June 2013 09: 52 New
    +6
    Quote: Boris55
    Revolutions, like everything else, do not happen by themselves. Someone organizes them.
    See Erdogan poorly copes with the responsibilities assigned to him in Syria, and the reason for the indignation can always be found in the same way as the rams for its implementation.


    So it seems to me that this "ff" is not casual (s).
    Maybe, of course, I have little information.
    But why did the people who came to the park immediately begin to disperse? It seems that the police response is really too tough and not even logical. Is this mall so important to Turkey’s political elite? I think that Erdogan personally does not shine from its construction. Wanted to ditch the "Kemalist relic"? So isn’t it easier to set some vandals and / or insects on the park to let out the trees that they will eat, and then it will be possible to calmly disguise them under the guise of quarantine measures. Why go for direct clashes? It seems that the ruling Turks know that these protests have nothing to do with the park. So, just an excuse.
    Then, how was it possible to "suddenly" gather more than 20 thousand protesters? Well, if they had gathered after the massacre of protesters near the park, it would have been clear, say, next weekend, people from the region pulled themselves up or whatever they call it, the townspeople after a working week had a desire to relax and stretch themselves. Power "fucked up", it's time to bang her head off. And here already on the first day thousands take to the streets. And you guessed it, just in time for the weekend. Good for extras. This is clearly a prepared statement. Moreover, they say that protesters are brought to Istanbul by buses. And where are they from and who are they - these protesters. Good question. But the organizer is clearly visible. And the preparation too.
    We go further. Three days have not passed. And the Eskovites have already expressed their “fi”, and the amers also “scolded”. Did they and any of the Saudis reproach? Phi voiced? Although there, not with water cannons, but with tanks, people were crushed after the "Arab spring". No, everything was normal. So, “their sons of bitches”, and Erdogan, it seems, doesn’t have “his”. Wait, wait, sir, if he doesn’t get to Erdogan, we’ll also hear from the USA that he is a damned dictator and he should go after Mubarak.
    And I also came across an article saying that they are performing there ... as it were, to put it mildly, LGBT activists. And who are the main sponsors of pi ... owls? That's right - the USA and the EU. Here they are and sent their vanguard ram.
  24. alicante11
    alicante11 4 June 2013 09: 52 New
    +6
    Here they will ask me. But why should the universal people "merge" Erdogan? It seems as always was "mine." Well, Mubarak was also “mine”. And Gaddafi for a long time dubbed the sons and brothers of the universal people. So no argument. Although for my part, too, is not an argument.
    But I can assume that Erdogan cannot really be forgiven for the fact that he “failed”, there are so many reasons to run over Assad. And the plane was killed and Turkish territory was fired and even bombs were detonated. Nifiga. "Only after you" (c), first universal people, then Turkey. But the general people do not want to go on a steam locomotive. And in Syria, the situation for them is getting worse and worse. There, in the film "picture of the day" already, the North Koreans in the ranks of the Asadists were discerned. You see, soon the Cubans and Venezuelans will catch up. This is not to mention the Iranian "guardians" and hezbollistami. So the terrorist international is crushed. Need urgent help. The Jews were rocking, but realized that "once again in the eye." Rather, Iranian missiles will smash half of Israel, and Syrian and Lebanese - the remaining half. And then the sense will be to them from the fact that they will roll Syria into the same pancake? And the general people will have to confront Iran. So they clung to our C-300 to justify the retreat. Who is staying? Only Turkey. And Erdogan is stupid, you see, give him the benefit for Turkey. And who are they these Turks - "lumps conquered" (c)?
    So we watch the film "Mubarak-2", he also did not want to confront Gaddafi. But it’s interesting if Erdogan rests on horns, how do they imagine the continuation in the form of “Gaddafi-2”?
    1. Dima190579
      Dima190579 4 June 2013 10: 44 New
      +1
      So soon the West will cease to believe at all if they so quickly merge their allies and friends.
      1. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 4 June 2013 13: 37 New
        +1
        Oh, namesake, who believes them? They simply obey the orders of the suzerain (how many American military bases are there in the world?).
  25. avt
    avt 4 June 2013 09: 54 New
    +8
    The Arab spring has passed, the Turkic summer has come, thanks to the Yankees for this. Somehow our benevolent Central Asian neighbors claiming that they’ve just got everything together and won’t have anything like that, we should think about it and look around. They found a grove, we have a forest in Khimki, you need to see in the steppe - what tree suddenly grows? And it is definitely growing!
  26. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 June 2013 09: 55 New
    +1
    In Turkey, everything was mixed up, as in the Oblonsky house. The massive democratic protests in the country against the autocrat Erdogan led the latter to stand up and say that the rebels de "undermine the democratic foundations." Even the White House could not resist and reminded the presumptuous Turkish government that "peaceful demonstrations are part of a democratic expression of will."

    Somehow, what is happening in Turkey looks a little like "peaceful demonstrations."
  27. Mhpv
    Mhpv 4 June 2013 10: 02 New
    +3
    "A flame will ignite," as in all previous revolutions or regime changes by the West and the USA, it all started with a small spark. In Turkey, the park became such a spark and most likely terrorist attacks that tried to dump onto Syria in order to distract people from the ripening abscess inside the country .
    Now Erdogan has run into the most pampered ones, and he recently stigmatized Assad that he is a tyrant and hates his people, only the people are for Assad and are against rabble, while Erdogan is exactly the opposite. Turkey’s friends spoke to Erdogan about Iran and Syria, and they themselves quietly launched the process of weakening Turkey.
    Do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask about the rule of relations with the USA and Geyropa.
    Israel, most likely you are next, not Iran.
  28. Mr.M
    Mr.M 4 June 2013 10: 06 New
    +2
    I would like to believe that in Turkey, as a result of these dances, a more moderate government and regime will be formed, pursuing a less aggressive foreign policy.
    And then, after all, a more sad scenario can be drawn with political instability and other flowers. The Turks themselves say that there is no clear leader now, the soil to wreak havoc is already more than fertile.
    Well, the instability in the country in our neighborhood may well come back to us.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 4 June 2013 10: 14 New
      +1
      But much more peaceful? Two years can’t sign against Syria. Although God himself had commanded, when a neighbor had a fire, to joke in his crates for something that was bad.
      1. Mr.M
        Mr.M 4 June 2013 12: 07 New
        +1
        Turkey is arming the militants and engaged in their transfer to Syrian territory, such activity is enough to cross out formally declared "peaceful" relations. This is an unspoken war.
        I hope that these phenomena will disappear with the advent of the new government, and that Turkey’s regional ambitions will be tempered.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 4 June 2013 14: 29 New
          0
          Well, so unspoken. And Assad wins her well. But if, in addition to hundreds of thousands of militants, two or three hundred Turkish soldiers with tanks and planes break into the country, Assad will have a cover. So Erdogan can still be considered a peacemaker.
    2. Fidain
      Fidain 4 June 2013 15: 19 New
      0
      Yes, instability at the borders is very bad, but a country that is not directly possible, but through its elites did Chechen separatists and extremists is not the best neighbor to defend. And no matter how much they want the old grapple, but time is running out and Turkey can split up too, disappear or become the new Ottoman Empire (as she dreams). But what can be argued is that the processes launched the United States in the Middle East, Africa and generally around the world can greatly change the map of the world.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 5 June 2013 08: 02 New
        0
        Who protects Erdogan? He is now raking what he deserves. At what a full spoon. Just the next one is likely to be worse. As they say, "take care of the neighbor, because after it the neighbor can be worse" :).
      2. Our
        Our 13 December 2013 21: 52 New
        +1
        Eye to eye dear hi we organized the PAC for them, and they cheated on us in Chechnya. And judging by the militants, they’re not being taught badly.
  29. rus9875
    rus9875 4 June 2013 10: 13 New
    +3
    let there be no revolutions If events begin to go beyond throwing stones at the police then the army will come into play Some military council will take power into its own hands, remove the government of Erdogan, and after half a year will hold new elections and again give power to civilians Turkey is a proven technique - over the past 50 years it has already been like this three times
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 4 June 2013 12: 15 New
      -1
      So they with their citizens who wish the good of their country so dealt with. With the alkaid aliens and them behind the zombies, it may not work. They will shoot at bandits / rebels / postans, and will fall on civilians, whose relatives will then join the ranks of the rebels.
  30. Mhpv
    Mhpv 4 June 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    "Yarbay TR Yesterday, 14: 23 | Geopolitical mosaic: German secret services believe that Assad will win in Syria, and Western doctors will soon begin to cure Islamism


    Judging by the flags and clothes of these demonstrators (in the video), these are accomplices of the Kurdish separatists and the left!
    Their police will mutus horse-free is the norm!
    But when you see that most hands will have the flags of Turkey then something serious already !!
    And so it’s a common thing, they’re so muttured almost weekly! "
    Your opinion on today's photos. hi
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 June 2013 10: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: mhpv
      But when you see that most hands will have the flags of Turkey then something serious already !!

      They already have Turkish flags in their hands and this is serious.
  31. The gentleman
    The gentleman 4 June 2013 10: 25 New
    +4
    To begin with, no matter what Muslims Turks are, in any case they will not accept radical or classical Islam. They go to a mosque, believe in Allah, but! they will not live like in Arab countries. Near Europe, which greatly influenced their life. on the other hand, the photo shows that young people are not attracted by the idea of ​​Erdogan to create a Muslim state and a lot of people don’t like it. Based on the fact that the speeches were transferred to other states, this indicates that the country is generally dissatisfied.
    and now the most interesting thing for me personally, when is it all over and how will the UN actions interpret it, not even the states, and not the EU, but the UN, why? Why, if the UN gives an assessment of the situation in Turkey, Erdogan’s actions, we can safely decide whether to continue to listen and listen to the UN in general.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 4 June 2013 10: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: Gentleman
      Is it worth further listening and listening to the UN in general


      Of course, I wildly apologize, but you still haven’t made conclusions for yourself who the UN is?
      Who pays the girl and dances her. The UN has become a kept woman on a state balance. This became clear from the bombing of Yugoslavia. hi
      1. The gentleman
        The gentleman 4 June 2013 10: 50 New
        +1
        I agree, it's just that politics is the same, therefore it will be in the Russian Federation’s hand when it comes to submitting to the world certain situations occurring in the Russian Federation
    2. Whole
      Whole 4 June 2013 10: 52 New
      +1
      Dear, the UN can no longer listen or listen, there are more than enough examples. One Iraq is worth it.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 4 June 2013 12: 24 New
        0
        Let's hold a contest for the best name of the UN!
        Organization Obye ..... th nation.
  32. minimum
    minimum 4 June 2013 10: 42 New
    -4
    Everything is normal, the process of building the Turkish political nation is ongoing. What Ataturk began with his reforms and modernization has always and constantly encountered the rudiments of the Ottoman Empire, archaic orders, and Islamism. Over the course of a century, Turkey has been gradually approaching the European state like this through blood, sweat and tears. Now two forces are fighting in Turkey: a wealthy village, the “new Turks" who appeared on the wave of the economic boom, Islamists and the urban middle class, brought up on nationalist, secular, modernist values. If you don’t understand the source of this fault, and it is civilizational, then you don’t understand anything. All the more ridiculous are hints of conspiracies, the State Department, etc.
    1. the polar
      the polar 4 June 2013 18: 57 New
      0
      Quote: minimum
      If you don’t understand the source of this fault, and it is civilizational, then you don’t understand anything. All the more ridiculous are hints of conspiracies, the State Department, etc.

      And why minus that, the comrade correctly noted. Of course, there are such sentiments in Turkish society, plus offended officers, who are put out of the blue by Erdogan. All this is in Turkish society, and organizers of their own were found. If there is no explosive potential in society, then you cannot bring it to the barricades by any money and by third-party organizers.
  33. kNow
    kNow 4 June 2013 10: 47 New
    +2
    What is happening in Turkey is not a revolution. The revolution occurred when the Islamist Erdogan was dragged into power. Today, people realized that Erdogan had deceived everyone with his populism and was actively building a dictatorship. In Turkey, such a receiver will not work. People refuse to be a toy. We are waiting for what the army will say.
  34. avt
    avt 4 June 2013 10: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Gentleman
    To begin with, no matter what type of Muslims Turks are, in any case they will not accept radical or classical Islam. They go to a mosque, believe in Allah, but! they won’t live like in Arab countries. Near Europe, which greatly influenced their life

    request Do you think that at the time of Ataturk, in this vein, that the Turks will never accept the secular power imposed by the victorious Entente and no one spoke out to remain zealous Muslims? And nothing, the fez took off, some forcibly and with their heads, and they introduced the then universal human norms and values. And now what will prevent the general people from turning the Turks 180 degrees and putting on fez? There would be a desire - there is a clamp.
  35. Yeraz
    Yeraz 4 June 2013 10: 50 New
    +3
    The UN has long been a dead organization !!! Haha, it generally works until now, it’s not at all clear ..
    A minus article, his statement was amused by the saying that if 3 million not the richest Russians if they refused Turkey, then the economy would sag and a revolution would happen. Before that, at least I would get to know Turkey's economy.
    And the rallies there are 2 conclusions or the military is getting ready or it all settles down quickly. And if many are surprised by such organization, then do not be surprised at Turkey’s political forces, and indeed any organizations are very organized. Even in Baku during the march of the next anniversary of Khojaly Turks among the crowd stood out for their organization.
  36. Opera
    Opera 4 June 2013 10: 50 New
    +1
    Everything mixed up in the Oblonsky house - Islamists, Democrats, Kemalists, Ottomans, Ataturks, Erdogans ... EU and USA. The bright future of democratic values ​​in a fog of tear gas! In full ...
  37. goody
    goody 4 June 2013 11: 13 New
    +1
    And here is the continuation of the policy of creating and maintaining chaos in the BV ...
  38. Tatar
    Tatar 4 June 2013 11: 14 New
    +2
    The Americans need a war, a big war, so that they would again turn from debtors to a creditor, as it was during the Second World War, and they will not have an ally, pawn allies, but the Slavs as their main enemy.
    News on the mail: We are concerned about reports of excessive use of force by the police. We hope that there will be a full investigation of these incidents, that the police will show restraint. In addition, Washington calls on all protesters, as well as the Turkish government, to avoid provocations with violence, ”said US Secretary of State John Kerry. given the fact that Turkey is an ally, just the same unexpectedly. that this is another reason to think about your future Licking ......
  39. Mails
    Mails 4 June 2013 11: 15 New
    +4
    THERE IS ANOTHER 1 REASON FOR TURBLE IN TURKEY. Hidden and not obvious)))
    To harm, ruin the rest of the RUSSIAN people who like to relax both in Turkey and Egypt)
    Here is their insidious plan. What would we work without holidays)))
  40. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 4 June 2013 11: 16 New
    0
    The Americans have no friends, only temporary allies and those whom they can use, and then they will throw them in the trash. And they just saw some Turks in the grave, at first they were cannon fodder in a possible war with the police department, and now the same meat in operations to plunge the Middle East into chaos. If you can sacrifice a Turkish pawn to overthrow Syria or Iran, then the Americans will brush it away.
    1. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 4 June 2013 13: 09 New
      -1
      rave. the states have 2 really strong allies in the region, capable of shoving their neighbors - Turkey and Israel. Syria and Iran, even put together are not so important
  41. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 4 June 2013 11: 30 New
    +6
    Erdogan is convinced that marginal groups supported from abroad are behind the protests. Who better to be more convinced of this than Erdogan, who is struggling to support no less "marginal" groups in Syria.
  42. Tom230
    Tom230 4 June 2013 11: 40 New
    +2
    In one photo, a peasant from a water cannon hit the balls right, I was already crying from sympathy crying
  43. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 4 June 2013 11: 59 New
    +5
    And where are our famous right-wingers in the person of Alekseeva-Kovalev-marsh? At one time, they lowered all the dogs to the OMON, who had gone a bit with a berets to some fagot on Bolotnaya. So, we have a police lawlessness, and they have democracy?
    1. Grigorich 1962
      Grigorich 1962 4 June 2013 16: 27 New
      +2
      This corrupt, Alekseyeva tongue stuck in her ass ... because of the fact that her master was not given instructions to her from over the hill
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 4 June 2013 21: 16 New
        +2
        "Human rights activists" do not even need to give instructions. They are purely motivated to fight for democracy and peace, the aspen stake in them.
  44. Blackwing
    Blackwing 4 June 2013 12: 17 New
    +2
    Erdogan completely played up - in Syria, he introduces democracy, supporting the terrorists. and disperses rallies at home.
    Here it is, what kind of democracy, when everything goes according to the mattress plan, so democrats and cannibals can be considered, and if not according to plan ...
  45. MG42
    MG42 4 June 2013 12: 21 New
    +3
    ..here and protests under nat. flags
    A young man died in Hatay province, injured in a gunshot
    Moscow, June 4 - AIF-Moscow. The second person died from injuries sustained during the riots in Turkey, reports France Presse referring to Turkish television.
    According to local media, 22-year-old Abdullah Komert was killed. He died from gunshot wounds, which he received in Hatay province, located in the south of the country, during clashes with the police.
    “Abdullah Komert was seriously injured by a shot from a firearm produced by an unknown person,” local television channels reported.
    The fifth day of protests takes place in Istanbul and a number of Turkish cities - Ankara, Antalya, Adana, Izmir and others. The inhabitants of Istanbul impede the authorities' plans to cut down trees in one of the few parks of the city - Gezi for the reconstruction of the central Taksim Square. As a result of clashes between the demonstrators and the police, as well as harsh criticism from the government and Prime Minister Erdogan, tensions in the country are growing rapidly.

    Earlier it was also reported about the death of another young man who suffered during the protests in Istanbul. According to media reports, the deceased was in a crowd into which a taxi crashed.
    The number of victims during the unrest in Turkey over the past two days amounted to about 3195 people. 25 of them are in serious condition.
  46. rereture
    rereture 4 June 2013 12: 35 New
    +7
    The people brought power.
    Watch how the demonstrators are dispersed
    1. rereture
      rereture 4 June 2013 12: 37 New
      +1
      Cruelty is complete.
  47. dc120mm
    dc120mm 4 June 2013 12: 36 New
    +5
    Ohohooo, the Turks are lighting am
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 4 June 2013 19: 20 New
      +1
      I hope you didn’t light in Ossetia angry
  48. screw cutter
    screw cutter 4 June 2013 12: 36 New
    +6
    Very intelligible, in my opinion outlined.


    "Against the backdrop of the riots in Turkey, I receive many letters asking to clarify the situation. This is on the one hand. On the other, I see mass publications on the Internet with the headlines" Prosirian Uprising in Turkey. "
    Inadequate assessment of events inevitably leads to errors. There is no "pro-Syrian" uprising in Turkey and never will be.
    What is there? There are attempts to rock the situation by the same forces that wreak havoc in Syria and other Arab countries.
    Но обо всем по порядку.
    From the very beginning of the American plan for Greater Chaos in the Middle East, Turkey has been actively involved in the collapse of neighboring states. There are two reasons - the urgent "requests" of Washington and London and the desire to try to recreate the Ottoman Empire in a new form, the entire Middle East was an integral part of which.
    Turkish border guards "turn away" when terrorists and militants go across the Turkish-Syrian border. “Refugee camps” are opening on Turkish territory, in which bandits from Al Qaeda train and arm. Turkey is completely on the side of the opposition forces, against Bashar al-Assad.
    However, the Turkish president is well aware that it is impossible to be a blind tool of the Anglo-Saxons. After all, the destabilization of the Arab countries will inevitably lead to the destabilization of Turkey. Why? Because chaos should be everywhere: in Europe there are many Arabs and cars are already burning in European capitals. There are also many Turks in Europe - which means that chaos should, if necessary, come to where they live.
    As a result, Turkey begins to “sabotage” the struggle against Syria. And now, air strikes on Syrian territory have to be inflicted by the Israeli Air Force. Israeli, not Turkish, which would be better and more convenient. After all, we need not only chaos, but also an inter-religious conflict of everyone with everyone. Israel will have a hard time, but Turkey should not sit aside. But sits.
    And then there are shelling of Turkish territory from Syria. Bombs explode in Turkish border cities. And again, nothing. Turkey "turns away" and threatens only in words.
    And so, Hezbollah enters the fight on Assad’s side. The militants are surrounded by the Lebanese border and will be exterminated if they are not helped. Who should help? Islamist militants? Well, certainly not Israel! Turkey!
    He doesn’t want to - he needs to be forced. And here is the "Turkish spring" in the streets. Pogroms, fights with the police, attempts to storm the offices of the ruling party. And all because of plans to demolish one park, as the media tell us? Complete nonsense.
    The purpose of the riots is to make Turkey actively fit into the Syrian conflict and help the Islamists.
    We can predict terrorist attacks in Turkey: first, at the border with Syria, if it doesn’t help, in resort areas. And all in order to push Erdogan to actively intervene in the conflict.
    Otherwise, the pro-Western Alcayedites will simply be exterminated.
    And most importantly, pay attention: some Islamic militants (Hezbollah) are fighting against others (Al Qaeda). And the second is actively supported by the West.
    So who blew up the skyscrapers and the Pentagon in September 2001? "

    /n-starikov.ru/
  49. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 4 June 2013 13: 04 New
    +1
    the difference between the Arab countries, Russia and Turkey is fundamental. when dictatorships were overthrown in Iraq and Libya, complete anarchy began there, when the country collapsed in Egypt, the country collapsed, everything stopped. if Russia dramatically shift Putin (which is unrealistic, because there is no one) - the situation will be like in Egypt. if Erdogan resigns, and his party members lay down their mandates, they will simply call early elections and perhaps in the wake of protests the Kemalists from the People’s People’s Party will get the majority, and the Islamists will become the opposition. Turkish indices will fall and recover by the end of the year. army leadership will restore shaky positions, and nationalist ideology will again come to the fore, pushing Islamic cosmopolitanism. Kurdish activists will start shooting again.
    and so what will never happen is the civil war.
    for all the authoritarianism of Erdogan, the real multi-party system that has existed for decades will never allow Turkey to slide into dictatorship.
  50. Navy7981
    Navy7981 4 June 2013 13: 17 New
    0
    It’s interesting if our “opposition”, but democratic Turkish (or French, as they were defending pederasts! It’s very expensive to watch) policemen and listen to them later.