Russian idea

What would we like to see our homeland? Nowadays, the terrible definition about the state of our country is briefly and precisely defined by the words of the famous patriot-colonel Vladimir Kvachkov: “Who says that our Fatherland is in danger, he does not understand and does not see the true state of things, the true state of our Fatherland, which is not in danger, but in the occupation, with ongoing operations to complete the destruction of our Fatherland. There is a real genocide (massacre) of the Russian people. ”

Herewith, our people divided into those who are “pleased with everything” and who are “not satisfied with everything”. The ranks of the first group are either “tax collectors” - those who have something to COLLA, or the so-called obsessed - those who do not see beyond the passions of their body (fornication, drunkenness, vanity, entertainment) are anything and everyone except the objects of service to their passions. The second ranks - those who are “unhappy with everything” are made up of those who somehow touched the Russian tragedy, who drank from the cup of the bitter Russian misfortune, experienced its bitterness with their body, or without being deprived of the current universal human desire for cattle-likeness, of distinctive quality. , in its very heart feels this deadly "POISON FROM THE ELITE".

Here with the second and talk.

Brothers caring, compassionate and "all dissatisfied"! What would you like to see our homeland? Many predict about the war in the near future, and the old men warned a lot about it. Some, seeing terrible changes in society, in politics, especially concerning children, call for already concrete actions, for the creation of partisan detachments, etc. All this already in Russia was and was a success and victory ... And it all ended in the current defeat of the Russian people, the current misfortune. Why so?

What made the Russians lose the gold of the royal government? What are civil victories for - how are you getting to self-destruct? How did it happen that after defeating the “brown plague of fascism,” the Russian people became the living material of terrible experiences in the laboratory of Satanists and misanthropes? Is it not all that happens to us that we, the Russians, have forgotten that we are RUSSIAN ?! Forget what is to be RUSSIAN and what is RUSSIA HOLY!

No matter how many patriots want to bring the benefit of the Russian people, no matter how much we, the Russians, have tried to rebuild something in Russia, we must realize that all of our new “buildings” will be made in the place of the old, God-laid foundation. precisely HOLY RUSSIA. And if the next "new building" does not fit into this FOUNDATION, then it will not resist again, no matter how beautiful it would be, no matter how it beckons us - Russians with its promising abundance. Whatever the cost of blood would not be paid for it, for this "new building", fall, collapse! "And the destruction of her (temple) will be great."

Like the brethren along the ruins of Holy Russia, let's consider the foundation - the BASIS, God laid, and see what is HOLY RUSSIA, and who RUSSIAN is, and realize that there is no other dispensation, except Holy Russia!

A different concept, except for Russia - the Church, is the concept of a false utopian criminal. Therefore, anyone who wants to see our Homeland as an alliance of republics of the “free”, a powerful defense-capable state, democratic, constitutional, free, independent, self-sufficient, cared for families and child-rearing, etc., dreams of good, beautiful. After all, such a dream is the aspiration of every state and every nation. But Russia is not “every state,” and the Russian people are not “everyone is an ordinary people.”

What kind of state is HOLY RUSSIA, and what kind of people are RUSSIAN?

RUSSIA IS THE CHURCH. RUSSIAN IS A CHRISTIAN. And therefore, in order to understand RUSSIA and RUSSIAN, it is necessary to understand what is the CHURCH of God.

The church is a society of people united in spirit. The spirit manifests itself as an idea — a goal. There are only two spirits: God's Spirit and the opposite of Him are Satanic spirit. From this and the idea - there are only two goals - of God - Saving and satanic - the destructive. Man’s earthly life is short-lived, and therefore both of these goals — God's and opposing to her — have their main weight, influence on life below the line of earthly existence. Both churches, the Divine and the Satanic, have as their task to bring their novices upon termination of mortal life to their place for ever and ever in their place of being, their being. And the difference between these places is known to all: God dwells in Paradise, Satan is in hell.

The task of the Church of God - the Will of the Head of the Church for its children - members of the Church Body, is as follows:

Add all members of the Church Body to Yourself - to the Head - God as fully as possible. THIS IS THE UNIFICATION OF MAN WITH GOD, THE ONLY GOAL, WILL, IDEA OF GOD TO HUMAN. In this Unity, His Beloved, man ADORDS, disappears in God, dissolves in Him, Christ is imprinted in a person. God for all His creatures and more for Angels and man is Paradise. Man’s being in oneness with God is man’s being in the kingdom of God - in Paradise. And this Paradise Human life begins already here, during the earthly life. The person in whom Christ is displayed is the Christian. A Christian is His God, child, friend of God: “... the servants of you are not the verb of the word ... YOU'RE FRIENDS OF MY EAST ...” (John 15.14-15).

Upon the death of the body man, the Christian passes from a state of spiritual warfare for his right to be a Christian: to be in Unity with God — into a state of unceasing, without the difficult Triumph of the Unity of Soul with his Creator. A CHRISTIAN IS TRANSFERED FROM MEMBERSHIP OF THE CHURCH MILITARY - EARTH TO THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE CHURCH TRAVELING - HEAVENLY. Here is the only God's Will, God's Purpose and the Spirit of God the Church.

For the fulfillment of His Will, God gave man three known means: prayer, Communion, and God-thinking. God - Love has established and conditions for the use of these funds:

1) Awareness of these means to achieve the only goal set by God - Unity with God.

2) Continuity - the desire to be as much as possible, more often and longer, to be the users of these funds: that is, often, constantly, constantly pray, Communion, God-thinking.

3) Renunciation of all that is a hindrance to unity with God, that is prayer, communion and thoughtfulness. This denial is the carrying of the cross.

In all these Means, the soul, the mind (the mind is a member of the soul through which it unites with God) clings to God. Therefore, Christian work is a secret intellectual heart work, the secret of which is known only to one soul and God. It is for this reason that God and distracts consciousness - the mind of man, his feelings and will from all external, sensual, passionate, earthly, temporary ... For all the work and all pleasing God, and all the Glory of God and the Lepot - in the inner, intelligent heartfelt work. There is wrestling, there are victories and defeats, there is Love ... God took care of the outside to take care of his children from the outer, vain life (through which the whole world is captivated by Satan) and enable them to work intelligently and achieve God’s goal .

“Do not discern the saying: that the pits, that by the drink, or the clothes we wear, All the more the Gentiles are looking for. Message Bo Your heavenly Father is demanding these all. SEE THE SAME BEFORE THE REIGN OF GOD AND ITS TRUTH, and this will add to you ”(Matthew 6. 31-33).

The task of Satan is to captivate everyone into his captivity, tie him tightly to himself, tracing himself in the image of his novices, endowing them with his qualities, so that a person disappears in the image of Satan, so that having received education, as soon as possible, will pass from the earthly existence of time into hell imprisonment . THIS SOUND'S DUMPING OF SATAN IS MADE THROUGH A LOT OF MANY MEANS, THE GOAL'S GOAL AND THE GOAL IS REMAINING THE MIND (abduction, theft of the engine of the company) and THE ATTAINMENT OF IT (UMA) THE OWNER OF THE GENERAL MANUAL And through this clenching of the soul and captivated by Satan.

RUSSIA IS THE CHURCH OF GOD. Because she and HOLY RUSSIA. Rusichi are Christians, therefore not everyone born in Russia is Russian. This name belongs only to Christians. As well as not everyone who is baptized is a Christian, and not everyone who is wearing a robe (dignity) is a shepherd to the sheep of Christ. Names - Russian, Christian, shepherd by right belong to those who, in Russian, live in Christianity, who sincerely, according to God, perform their obedience to Christ and brotherhood.

Holy Russia is a people, not only the land of the plow screaming, but in the steppes and on the Volga-Mother and on the Don-Father, breathing freely through the will of the breast ...

HOLY RUSSIA IS THE PEOPLE, THE FATHER AND THE MOTHER OF WHICH - OLGA MOTHER AND VLADIMIR THE BATHY, HAVING FAVORING HIM TO BE THE CHURCH OF GOD, IN THE SECRET AND INTELLIGENT BY THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO BE GOD'S CHURCH IN THE SECRET, INTELLIGENT BY THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO BE CHURCH TO THE HOLY CHURCH OF THE CHURCH OF THE HOLY, HE'S CHRISTNESS IN THE SECRET, BELIEF TO BE HOLY, CHRISTNESS In the very heart of the HOLY SPIRIT, FREEDOM OF CHRIST, LIFE, LIGHT, TRUTH, POWER, LOVE! LIVE!

Our fathers and mothers have commanded us to live - from them the Russian Land has gone, on them the Holy Russia kept itself together! LIVE IN CHRIST!

Today, we, the Russians, need to study our life - the LIFE of the CHRISTIAN - RUSSIAN: what is LIFE ABOUT CHRIST, what is doing - work into the glory of GOD, that NARROW GATE and the CERTAIN WAY to LIVER, and that is LIFE and the death of the soul, which is LOVE, a that passion, that the RESURRECTION is the FIRST and that the Second. We need to have a clue about ourselves - about the Russians and about their homeland. And according to the concepts then go to the battle and shed blood.

Here is for the Christian LIFE, for the opportunity to pray - truly pray! For the opportunity to communion - true by God! And from the hands of the shepherds, not wolves in robes! For the possibility of God-thinking - to read the Holy Books, for the opportunity to educate your children in God! For all these things to stand and mean - to stand for RUSSIA. For the Church of God - RUSSIA Holy war - it means to be Russian! To be a Christian, to be a child of Holy Russia, a child of Truth! GETTING READY TO BE THE CHURCH OF GOD, BY YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY AND ALL RUSSIA. DON'T GIVE HEALTS, LIES, AND DAMAGE TO NEST IN RUSSIA.

For this, for the RUSSIAN IDEA to stand, to fight, to shed blood - and there is RUSSIAN CASE, RUSSIAN DAMN, in which VOEVODA is GOD. And with GOD ALWAYS VICTORY!

/ And the other thing that Russia needs is all the benefits that are natural to all of humanity ... even the Tsar Father, God will attach /

“LOOK BEFORE THE REIGNS OF BLOGS AND THE TRUTH OF HIS AND ALL THAT ALL WILL APPLY TO YOU” (Matthew 6. 33).

Comments

[fzr1000]

In the painting, Nevsky wipes Swedish blood from a sword? Such "tolerance" would not be appreciated in the West. Now for the revival of Russia it is useful to stain the blades with the blood of some "sworn compatriots".

[Russian]

Now the terrible definition of the state of our country is briefly and precisely defined by the words of the famous patriot colonel Vladimir Kvachkov: “Whoever says that our Fatherland is in danger does not understand and does not see the true state of things, the true state of our Fatherland, which is not in danger, but in occupation, with ongoing operations to complete the destruction of our Fatherland. There is a real genocide (carnage) of the Russian people. ”

And I want to say what happened to him? Now such people are not profitable for the authorities, she needs a dumb herd,

the so-called obsessed - invisible behind the passions of their bodies (fornication, drunkenness, vanity, entertainment) nothing and no one but objects serving their passions

It is necessary to wake up already, for 20 years too much has already been lost, otherwise the fate of Byzantium (just today was the last article about it) is not far off.

[GreatRussia]

Russian idea

Russian doctrine.
Sergievsky project:

http://www.rusdoctrina.ru/page95507.html

[YARY]

Here it is.
Well, a little slightly off topic.

"The contract was signed several years ago. It has not yet been implemented," Putin said on Tuesday at a press conference after the Russia-EU summit. "As for the S-300, this is really one of the best air defense systems in the world, if not the best. The best, probably. It is, of course, a serious weapon. We do not want to upset the balance in the region," the president said.

See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/world/news.asp?id=310499

After reading, I remembered all the debates on the site - "Did you deliver it or not?"
And also Kerry's "passes" in the direction of Russia, or rather the current authorities.
And here is the only conclusion that suggests itself - From Serbia to Syria through Libya, it is necessary to write on the map in large and red - "COUNTRIES BETRAYED BY THE PURCHASED GOVERNMENT OF RUSSIA"
All "games" of thought can and should be put aside!
It was not for nothing that it was written, "Judge them according to their works."
AMEN Syria.

[Volkhov]

Quote: Ardent

AMEN Syria.

The Russian Federation is simply on the other side — words and deeds are opposite.
Syria is currently a trap leading to the defeat of the Russian Federation, first by Iran and the DPRK, and then by the internal conflict, as in Turkey.

[Uncle]

Quote: Ardent

AMEN Syria.

The word amen does not stick to Syria. Amen - the truth, where does Syria?

[sergo0000]

Quote: Ardent

AMEN Syria.

The contract is considered fully implemented if the parties have fully complied with all the obligations and arrangements for the supply. The key word here ALL. But it can be implemented at the moment and partially from Russia. Which is also a lot for the Syrian people.
And who will say for sure how many and when these weapons will be delivered. Let’s tell you then about the deployment sites at once, maybe Jewish friends on the site will thank us!

[Karabin]

Quote: sergo0000

The key word is EVERYTHING. But it can be implemented at the moment and partially from Russia.

"The contract was signed several years ago. It has not yet been implemented," Putin said. Key words "not implemented" It seems possible to put an end to the dispute.
Because when supplying at least one complex to Assad, Putin would say different words, for example, "partially implemented" or "started to be implemented." But oh, supporters want to believe in GDP, right up to fantasies.

[Mitzhel]

Is Nevsky wiping Swedish blood from a sword in a painting?

Not Swedish but Russian. The blood of the freedom-loving Novgorodians who dared to refuse to pay tribute to the Horde ... the Horde mercenary Alexander, who was written a princely label in the horde, brutally suppressed the uprising of the city residents. He tortured, cut his noses, gouged out his eyes, and still ensured that the Russians would continue to obediently bend their backs before the horde.

[alexkross83]

Was the Horde? Or were you present at the excavations? Neither the Novgorodians. Neither the Vyatichi, nor the meadow, nor the Drevlyans ... were never slaves, unlike your fellow tribesmen in Egypt.

[enot555]

Mitzhel
the Horde mercenary Alexander, who was written the princely label in the horde, brutally suppressed the uprising of the city residents. He tortured, cut his noses, gouged out his eyes, and still ensured that the Russians would continue to obediently bend their backs before the horde.

can do without Jewish propaganda? already got everywhere !!!
they’re lying so they don’t have time to rewrite books, WELL FUNNY SAME !!!!! ANOTHER FRUIT OF RIVER IMAGINATION I SAW AND EXPLAIN EVERYTHING AS ITS IT !!!!

AND REMEMBER !!!!! SLAVES NEVER BEEN AND WILL NOT BE SLAVES !!!!!

[atash]

This is very relevant. "Monarchical rule" in Russia has always been tormented by the crisis of succession to the throne. Why? Because usually the monarch is appointed by the head of the church, for example, in Europe, the Pope. The Russian monarch was appointed by Byzantium, but it did not exist for long after the baptism of Rus. Then the Horde took over this function, ending the internecine strife, from which much more Russian blood was shed than from the hostilities of the Horde. Well, Nevsky, probably, knew better than any of those present, because he was not, a national hero. I would not have pursued my brother in vain with an army. There was no Russian state then, there were feudal principalities. For a citizen of Vladimir, for example, a Tatar from the Horde was the same neighbor as a Tver or Galician. Enemy today, ally tomorrow. And they spoke Tatar like their own. There is, for example, in Russian chronicles this: "... our great kagan Igor ... ". And Batu was another grand duke, to whom going to serve was not a betrayal, but a contract usual for that time. Like the athletes now: the contract with the club has ended, you can conclude with another. Feudalism. Why Batu by Europe walked through quite certain countries, and the richest Smolensk never thought to touch it, as if it were his hometown? Forget the word “yoke.” Myth.

[sergo0000]

[quote = Mitskhel] [quote] so that the Russians continue to obediently bend their backs before the horde. [/ quote]
Oh, the trololo drew! How is it that your salary in the Jewish super-battalion of cyber-trials did not increase your salary? They should be tripled in connection with the latest events! Now they’ll call some pysatyhs to your unit? Teach better history, improve qualifications, otherwise it’s not even an hour’s demoted and trenches will be sent to the Golan to dig.

[Penachet]

So it would be possible to say that if your people themselves destroyed the entire ghetto and drove Hitler in the tail and mane. And according to historical facts, your people did not succeed in this. So to say, raked the heat with the wrong hands, and at the same time gets in the present time dividends (however, like the whole story available to us, these are really reptilians, the tail has fallen off and is normal) So be quiet better, (dear)

[gribnik777]

Quote: Mitzhel

Not Swedish but Russian

Blind? Use a magnifier - Windows allows. See flags better.

Quote: Mitzhel

tortured, cut noses, gouged out eyes

Learn better the story of a tribe of sorts!

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Whose blood wipes away, this is not given to us to know, we can only fountose! For example, I think that the idea of ​​the horde was imposed on us by the Germans, and indeed they wrote the story, or rather we dictated to them ...

[Pit]

Quote: Mitzhel

so that the Russians continue to obediently bend their backs before the horde.

The Higher Clergy of Belovodye (the center of Belovodye was in Asgard, modern Omsk), the sacred land of Russenia-Rus-Russia, in 1222 from the RH decided to create a special governing body to protect the Old Faith, which began to be called: OR-DEN, which meant "Strength Light "or" Light Power ", where the H'ari rune" OR "meant" strength "in the Old Slavic language, the" DEN "rune meant" light ". This Light Power came from beyond the Urals in the form of retribution on the Russian lands, devastated and captured by the Greek-Jewish Christians.
This word “Order” was distorted by the Latins as “Orde”, and the history writers changed it to the word “horde” and the Great Horde or the Mongol-Tatar yoke appeared. Foreigners called Russia Mongolia. The very name "Mongolia" (or Mogolia, as Karamzin and many other authors write, for example) comes from the Greek word "Megalion", i.e. "Great". In Russian historical sources, the word "Mongolia" ("Mogolia") does not occur. But there is "Great Russia". The word "Igo" means order.
"Tat" is an enemy, ie The Tatar is the enemy of the Aryan. And to whom could the Aryan be the enemy? Could he be the enemy of the Rasiches, i.e. to your fellows? The only one to whom they were enemies was those who came to rob the Russian people, i.e. Jews and their henchmen.
Thank you so much to Messrs. Bayer, Miller and Schloetzer, from the filing of which they imposed the Norman theory on us and distorted our whole past!

[w.ebdo.g]

Churkin's famous speech ...

[Reasonable, 2,3]

The idea is "We are Russians, God is with us!"

[Vladimirets]

The author, forgive me, in my opinion is nonsense, "... horses, people and ..." (c) mixed up in a heap.

[fzr1000]

You do not "translate" for yourself literally the texts where the Son of God, Christ, Satan, etc. are mentioned. Replace it with words, good, evil, truth, deception, and everything will be clear.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: fzr1000

You do not "translate" for yourself literally the texts where the Son of God, Christ, Satan, etc. are mentioned. Replace it with words, good, evil, truth, deception, and everything will be clear.

I can understand the text without exaggeration. And, the things described in the article are correct, only the article itself is incoherent. In order for a normal person to convey his idea, it is not necessary to write the floor of the article in large print.

[fzr1000]

Ah, I do not understand. Well, it happens that the author, being carried away, loses the structure of the story.

[Uncle]

Quote: Vladimirets

And, the things described in the article are correct, only the article itself is incoherent. In order for a normal person to convey his idea, it is not necessary to write the floor of the article in large print.

I agree, wrote the sick man. The audience at the Military Review is not the right one, such speeches reach the ears of ultra-Orthodox like the biblical Pharisees.

[zennon]

Quote: fzr1000

You do not "translate" for yourself literally the texts where the Son of God, Christ, Satan, etc. are mentioned. Replace it with words, good, evil, truth, deception, and everything will be clear.

And this is a lie. And I won’t change anything. I, you know, an educated person, an atheist. I am deeply disgusted to plunge into dense ignorance. What did the writer try to convey to his opponents? I don’t have to hate fattened priests. I swore an oath to my country, and if necessary I would go to fight for it without prayers and a censer of priests.

[Ross]

Quote: zennon

Quote: fzr1000

You do not "translate" for yourself literally the texts where the Son of God, Christ, Satan, etc. are mentioned. Replace it with words, good, evil, truth, deception, and everything will be clear.

And this is a lie. And I won’t change anything. I, you know, an educated person, an atheist. I am deeply disgusted to plunge into dense ignorance. What did the writer try to convey to his opponents? I don’t have to hate fattened priests. I swore an oath to my country, and if necessary I would go to fight for it without prayers and a censer of priests.

Russian traditions of honor and military glory arose many years before Christianity in Russia and have nothing to do with the church. Let us recall the famous words of our Great pagan ancestor - commander Svyatoslav: the dead do not have shame!

[bear]

Ross
Russian traditions of honor and military glory arose many years before Christianity in Russia and have nothing to do with the church. Let us recall the famous words of our Great pagan ancestor - commander Svyatoslav: the dead do not have shame!

Totally agree with you.

[fzr1000]

Nobody is going to convince you.

[orkibotu]

To the author Huge +. painted everything correctly

[alexkross83]

I think we must first recreate the story that we rewrote ... and then talk about the Russian idea.

[Conepatus]

History has been rewritten many times. What story do you want to recreate? True?
And who knows her now?

[yurta2013]

Quote: alexkross83

first you need to recreate the story that we rewrote ...

First, it is necessary to clear our official history of the communist (Stalinist) myths, which still make up a significant part of it and significantly distort the perception of our past by all living generations of Russians. Only a true story can become a unifying factor for our country.

[vorobey]

Quote: yurta2013

Only a true story can become a unifying factor for our country

And who knows her - a true story. each has its own truth.

[Manager]

Quote: vorobey

And who knows her - a true story. each has its own truth.

Exactly! If you have been rubbed from childhood that America is good and Russia is evil, you should at least bring some truth to the capes, and there will be no sense.
The education of the current generation needs to be addressed. Patriotism carry.

[yurta2013]

Quote: Manager

If you were rubbed from childhood that America is good and Russia is evil

I wonder what school you rubbed in your childhood that Russia is evil?

[yurta2013]

A true story is based on historical facts firmly established by science, and not on legends and myths of past times. It does not hide anything (neither good nor bad), but gives everything accurate, scientifically verified estimates. The first step towards the development of such a story should be to clear it of Stalinist myths as the most dangerous for our people and country. Russia will not survive the second edition of Stalinism.

[atash]

Stalin has been vilified for 25 years, and this does not lead to any kind of revelation. But when he is finally rehabilitated in the public mind, then the turn will begin.

[yurta2013]

The complete rehabilitation of Stalin will mean the final moral degradation of our society, since it presupposes the oblivion of many millions of innocent victims of the Stalinist policy, the actual enslavement of the peasantry and the partial restoration of the slave-owning system of the economy in our country (convicts are the same state slaves whose labor was at the basis of most "great construction projects "Stalin's five-year plans, especially in Siberia and the Far East).

[atash]

Innocent victims will always be in any war, and "repression" was a war, and there were enough real enemies and guilty ones.
The peasantry went under the knife as a result of industrialization, without which Hitler would destroy the USSR. Stalin himself called collectivization robbery and hoped to do without it, but failed. This payment was inevitable after Trotsky squandered what the country had raised at the NEP on the Comintern and the world revolution. For this there was a war between the Stalinists and Trotskyists.

[yurta2013]

Quote: Atash

Innocent victims will always be in any war, and "repression" was a war,

If it was a war, then it was fought against its own people. Only a person who is one hundred percent sure that he himself will never become such a victim can talk about the inevitability of millions of innocent victims. However, under Stalinism, it is almost impossible to insure against this, which Stalin's assistants Beria, Khrushchev and Malenkov realized in time, having managed to eliminate their master at the very last moment. But Stalin did not have the wisdom to eliminate them earlier. Its end is the fate of any bloody dictator, for which there are many examples in world history.

Quote: Atash

The peasantry went under the knife as a result of industrialization

That sounds pretty cynical. Incidentally, the peasantry was then more than 60% of the Russian people and was the main custodian of its centuries-old cultural traditions. Thus, along with the liquidation of the peasantry, Stalinism undermined the foundations of the existence of the Russian people themselves, which subsequently led to its rather rapid degradation. This is precisely the main crime of Stalin.

Quote: Atash

industrialization, without which Hitler would destroy the USSR.

Incidentally, industrialization in Russia did not begin under Stalin, but back in the 19th century, and at that time they somehow managed without the destruction of the peasantry. And the initial draft of the Soviet stage of industrialization did not involve continuous collectivization. Stalin artificially shook both of them, which led to millions of victims. As for Hitler, it was Stalin who decisively contributed to his coming to power, pushing through the Communist International the German Communist Party to fight, first of all, with the largest at that time party in that country of the SPD (Social Democrats). This struggle weakened both parties, which allowed Hitler to come to power in a completely legal way (by the way, five years after the start of industrialization in the USSR).

[atash]

Civil war is the war of the people against themselves. If there is a war, God forbid, anyone can be under the bomb. And where to go, there have always been wars.
I think it is necessary to distinguish between the natural development of industry and industrialization - active rapid, usually artificial growth. In the word itself, the threat to the agrarian sector is resources: natural, human. During the industrialization of England, farmers were driven from their lands (enclosure), not looking at private property, mind you, driven to wool mills for pennies. Those who did not want to work were hanged for vagrancy. Outweighed about 1% of the then English population. I mean, everywhere, with industrialization, the peasantry suffered.
Here France, a country with a strong farming, shamefully surrendered to Hitler. And what, the Russians will help out as always. Russia could not afford it. England, too, did not want to strain, it actually sat out on the island, although England was the first to deal with Hitler. Accordingly, the status of a power was lost after the war. There was no choice, and there is no Stalin's fault, but there is a merit that the commander’s courage was enough to take on sin and save the country. The life of mankind has never been and never will be a holiday, blood and suffering is our destiny. You don’t want to believe it, I'm sorry, you want nothing to happen to you, so you are outraged.

[yurta2013]

Quote: Atash

Civil war is the war of the people against themselves

And what, was there a civil war in the USSR in the late 20s-30s? The fact of the matter is that only one side fought the war - the Stalinist state against the unarmed people.

Quote: Atash

it is necessary to distinguish between the natural development of industry and industrialization - active rapid, usually artificial growth.

Open the history book. In the 90s of the 19th century, the main indicators of industrial production in Russia increased by 2-3 times. Our industry experienced another similar boom in the last 10 years of the empire. This growth was achieved largely due to public investment (i.e., artificially).

Quote: Atash

During the industrialization of England, farmers were driven out of their land.

In fact, it was not the farmers who were rounded up, but the tenants and peasants feudally dependent on the English nobility. Farmers still exist there. It is on them that agriculture of this and all other countries of Europe rests. In Russia, before the revolution, the formation of farming was also actively going on, but at the same time there was also the cooperation of the peasantry, which gave him a chance for a successful existence even under the conditions of the capitalist market.

[sleepy]

Quote: yurta2013
"... Open the history textbook. In the 90s of the 19th century
key indicators of industrial production
in Russia increased by 2-3 times ... "

The rise in industrial production occurred after the abolition of Slavery in Russia in 1861.

The main reasons for the abolition of Slavery in Russia were as follows:
· Firstly, slavery restrained the development of industry.
· Secondly, peasant farms went bankrupt,
as the landowners increased corvee in the Black Earth region,
and Slavery is based on forced, extremely inefficient labor of serfs;
· Thirdly, Slavery is one of the main reasons for the defeat of the country
in the Crimean War, which showed the military-technical backwardness of Russia.
Fourth, the increase in the number of peasant unrest
(in 1860 there were 126 speeches of peasants)
posed a real threat of turning disparate appearances
into the new "Pugachevschina";
Fifth, awareness by the ruling circles,
that Slavery is a “powder magazine” under the state.
From liberal landowners, scholars, even relatives of the king,
in particular the younger brother of Grand Duke Constantine,
the government began to receive offers,
land reform projects.
"If we do not free the peasants from above, they will free themselves from below";
· Sixth, serfdom, as a form of slavery, was condemned by all layers of Russian society.

Slavery dictated the country an extremely slow pace of development. The Crimean War clearly showed Russia's growing backwardness.

After the abolition of Slavery, there was a demographic leap -
Families with 7-8 children are not uncommon.
It was the abolition of slavery that contributed to the increase in fertility
in Russia, since under Slavery, children could be sold separately
from parents, and who wanted this.
Now they write that so many children in peasant families were
due to lack of birth control pills.

PS Slavery in Russia was created for Russians by Peter - 1st Antichrist,
and smart Germans tactfully prompted him to call
Slavery in Russia for Russians
serfdom.

[yurta2013]

Quote: sleepy

The rise in industrial production occurred after the abolition of Slavery in Russia in 1861.

Firstly, do not confuse slavery and serfdom. Slaves (including the Stalinist ZEKI) do not own any property, including their own tools.
Secondly, the Industrial Revolution (that is, the replacement of manufactories by factories and factories, and therefore the rapid rise of industrial production) began in Russia in the 30s of the 19th century, that is, long before the abolition of serfdom.
Thirdly, the growth of industrial production took place in Russia constantly (with some interruptions for wars, unrest and hunger strikes), from the moment the first manufactories appeared (that is, from the beginning of the 16th century).

[sleepy]

Quote: yurta2013
"First, there is no need to confuse slavery and serfdom ..."

Question from the exam.
What is the name of the social system in which
1. People are sold as a commodity.
2. Owners of people can kill these people by any means, for example, order to be screwed up to Death.
3. Children are taken away from their parents for sale to other owners ...

Correct answer:
If it is in the southern states of the USA, then this system is slaveholding.
If it is in Russia, then it is serfdom.

Quote: yurta2013
"... Secondly, the Industrial Revolution (that is, the replacement of manufactories by factories and plants, and therefore a rapid rise in industrial production) began in Russia
in the 30s of the 19th century, that is, long before the abolition of serfdom ... "

Quote: yurta2013
"... Open the history textbook.
In the 90s of the 19th century key indicators of industrial production
in Russia increased by 2-3 times ... "

It is unclear in some years there was an increase in production.
And Stalin was not then.

The Stolypin reforms helped boost the country's economy, as Stolypin relied on the middle class.

It was easier for Stolypin, since his reforms were not preceded by civil war, intervention, or devastation.
After the murder of Stolypin, Nikolay 2 quietly covered Stolypin’s reforms.
After the revolutions and the civil, Stalin did not follow the path of Stolypin's reforms because the country needed industrialization.

The goal that Stalin outlined was simple — if in ten years he had not caught up with the advanced countries — Russia would be crushed.
It is necessary to create a powerful energy infrastructure, the construction of enterprises producing equipment and mechanisms. As a priority. So that tractors go to agriculture, so that machines go to industrial enterprises.
There was little time.

[sleepy]

After the February Revolution in our country, Wall Street assembled a large team led by Trotsky, put it on a steamboat and, supplying a large sum, sent it to Russia:
"Power is lying there on the ground, you have to pick it up.
And concentrate in the hands of American henchmen. "
The US Navy also went in support of Russian democracy. US President Woodrow Wilson himself issued Trotsky an American passport, he was accompanied by a visa to enter Russia and a British transit visa.
The Americans hurried with the casting of Lev Davidovich’s group because they had information from their ambassadors from Europe: Germany is preparing an assault to Russia led by Lenin.
So the enemies of Lenin and Trotsky were at the same time in one place, with one task, but aimed at different results. Lenin entered into an alliance with him, because behind the "Judas" stood a lot of American money, and Germany after World War I was not so generous.
Unlike the Russian Bolsheviks, Trotsky invested in the concept of "world revolution"
United States of the World - in the current terminology of the Planetary Oligarchy,
where our country was assigned place of supplier of resources and slave power. The fashion to behave like in a seized territory and defiantly show off in front of a poor country - also from there.
Stalin covered this shop, therefore, with any hint of the Stalinist five-year plans, the Democrats nipped like a tail.

[sleepy]

Stalin's five-year plans.
What were the goals of the first five-year plan?
"In order to strengthen the DEFENSE of the country,
in order to create the economic base necessary for the VICTORY of socialism, we must turn our country from an agrarian
into the industrial ... "
(Stalin, verbatim report of the XIV Congress of the CPSU (b), p. 488).

... The second five-year plan was held under the slogan
"completion of the technical reconstruction of the entire national economy" and had the purpose of "further strengthening the country's defense capability."
(Stalin, "Report to the 1940th Party Congress", published in XNUMX)

... The third five-year plan is the "chemistry five-year plan",
"five-year plan for special steels", "five-year plan for setting up enterprises in the eastern regions and in the Urals".

[atash]

Quote: yurta2013

90s of the 19th century

As a result, in the Russo-Japanese War, obsolete Russian ships met Japanese armored vehicles using the latest technologies at that time. And in the 2nd World Russia entered with a submarine fleet.

[yurta2013]

Quote: Atash

France, a country with a strong farming, shamefully surrendered to Hitler.

The reason for this was not farming, but the lack of political will of the then leadership of France. During the revolutionary wars, at the end of the 18th century, France, with free farming, successfully fought all of feudal Europe.

Quote: Atash

although England was the first to deal with Hitler.

No need to exaggerate the possibilities of England. She never had a strong ground army capable of fighting the forces of all of Germany alone. At all times, she fought in Europe only with the support of her allies.

Quote: Atash

There was no choice, and there is no Stalin's fault, but there is a merit that the commander’s courage was enough to take on sin and save the country.

There is always a choice in politics. And it depends only on the political leader how right or wrong this choice will be. Stalin chose the path of industrialization, which, in his opinion, was the shortest. He, like all Bolsheviks in general, did not care at all that the price of this choice would be the lives of millions of innocent people. Meanwhile, even for Soviet industrialization then there were other options that did not require so many victims. At the same time, the right international policy could completely exclude fascists from coming to power in Germany. Stalin himself created this problem for the country and solved it, as usual, at the cost of many millions of extra victims.

[atash]

Quote: yurta2013

as usual

Did he rule for several centuries?

[dmnatbor]

I completely agree with the author.
One faith - one spirit.
And until the Russians find themselves in the faith of their ancestors, i.e. in the Christian faith, there will be neither unity nor power.

See the root, rusich.

[alexkross83]

As I saw Serdyukov on TV at Easter, the all-night standing, what do you think he believed in?

[fisherman]

I am not a court or a lawyer, but I will express my opinion: it seems to me that in a golden calf ...

to stand in church is not an act ...

[ia-ai00]

Probably in his "personal" God, he prayed to HIM ...

[kosta7491]

Rusichs, Krivichs, Smolevichs and ... - never were non-Christians, these are the so-called tribes pagans

[bear]

Quote: dmnatbor

I completely agree with the author.
One faith - one spirit.
And until the Russians find themselves in the faith of their ancestors, i.e. in the Christian faith, there will be neither unity nor power.

See the root, rusich.

Our ancestors were Orthodox, not Orthodox Christians

[shinobi]

The country needs a simple and intelligible ideology under the mutual intercourse of the state and the Russian Orthodox Church. And Islam is also attracted, where without it now. Ideology is understandable to everyone, under the general thesis "empire / fatherland above all and family is its basis."

[vadimN]

Quote: shinobi

.Architecture of a multinational state.

Experience in solving such a problem was in pre-revolutionary Russia, and in Soviet. so you don’t have to go far. But one must have political will. It is this will that the ruling elite does not have. And it is not consciously, for we have not the government, but the occupation administration ... And while it is in power, the consolidation and plunder of Russia will continue.

[fisherman]

Creative Nature is a people, not some premieres or presidents there ...

earlier this dispute was called - "On the role of personality in history" ...

now there is no dispute, since the era of the post-industrial and network society ...

[domokl]

It was not with prayer but with a sword that Alexander Nevsky drove away what was left of the Swedes and Germans from the Russian land. Not with prayer but with the sword drove Kutuzov French from the Russian land. Not with prayer, but with a sword, our grandfathers swept Hitler's scum from the Russian land.
And the chosenness of Russia is not in breaking his forehead before the altar in the churches, but in pure thoughts, in the truth of God. The church is a helper, the church is a comforter, and the protector was and will be a SWORD

[alexkross83]

And on the buckles of the fascists it was written "God is with us", was he with them? Our tanks didn't say "For Christ", but that didn't stop us from ending the war in Berlin! Whoever wants to be a slave of God, let him be, I have not been and will not be anyone's slave. I completely agree with you, you should have voiced the Russian idea.

[Black]

Quote: alexkross83

And on the buckles of the fascists it was written "God is with us", was he with them?

You can also "Allahakbarit", but GOD is with those with whom the truth is.

[alexkross83]

So, you yourself answered what the Russian idea is in truth !!!!

[Orik]

What is the truth? Decrypt.

[specialist]

God is with those who believe and never give up.

[sashka]

I am not a lover of Putin. But when you imagine how to hold such a Power in "hands" Honor him and Praise. Paradox...

[atash]

He does not "hold" or control anything. Not today tomorrow the people will see through it, then the interesting will begin. The people were shocked by the exotic characters of the 90s, and when a decent-looking person was slipped into him, he clung to him. So there is no paradox, rightly not love.

[ale-x]

Shake your hand...

[domokl]

Quote: alexkross83

you had to voice the Russian idea

Thank you for the tip of the topic. I thought about this. There are too many people who speak for Great Russia in polemics, without suspecting it, pushing the country into the dirt of national, religious and other discord. Separate and conquer, the principle is universal.
So I’ll try.

[fisherman]

be sure to try ...

Before you formulate the next IDEA of GOOD, carefully understand the root cause of human hatred ...

if you find something new, be sure to let us all know, I’m sure that website visitors will nominate you and your teaching for all Nobel prizes at once ...

[vadimN]

Quote: domokl

There are too many people now who are advocating Great Russia in a polemic, without suspecting it, pushing the country into the dirt of national, religious and other hatred

You are absolutely right! This is very annoying and scary. Even in this article we are discussing, even a catch flashes, not even covered:

"Rusichi are Christians, therefore not everyone born in Russia is Russian. This name belongs only to Christians."

Already with this phrase, the author (for some reason hesitating to be called by his full name) opens the gulf between Russian people, depriving them of the right to be Russian and to love their Motherland of a person who does not share Christian religious views.
With the same phrase, the author drowns in the mud the centuries-old and glorious history of pre-Christian Russia, without which there would be no foundation on which Christian Russia was built.
Even Christianity itself, having come to Vedic Russia, became Orthodox, having absorbed the centuries-old natural roots of rosichs.

The Russian national idea cannot be based on one religion, otherwise this idea will never unite the entire Russian people.

By the way, all the greatest achievements of Russia of the twentieth century are the achievements of a great atheistic power! (no offense to the respected ROC will be said).

[kosta7491]

In general, I agree. Only a small amendment to the Orthodox Church it (Christianity) did not become due to coming to Russia. It was just that the clergy got to grips with each other, who is more important than Rome or Constantinople, he is Constantinople, he is Istanbul.

[vorobey]

Quote: alexkross83

I have not been a slave and will not be.

It seems so to you.

[Dimy4]

"For the Motherland! "
Such inscriptions flaunted on the towers of our thirty-four.

[fisherman]

An absolutely free person (not a slave) can be only that person who is in a dream, or, for example, in a coma ...

[GreatRussia]

Quote: alexkross83

And on the buckles of the fascists it was written "God is with us", was he with them?

For some, the devil is God. So what?

[MG42]

Quote: alexkross83

And on the buckles of the fascists it was written "God is with us", was he with them? Our tanks didn't say "For Christ", but that didn't stop us from ending the war in Berlin!

How cleverly you manipulate!
For starters, the Nazis are not even Germans, but Italians, the political movement from the 20s of the last century led the Mussolini ..
the Nazis were not Orthodox and knew how to distort characters, for example, the swastika was known long before the Nazis. The swastika, as a symbol, has many meanings, and for most peoples they were positive. So, in most ancient peoples, it was a symbol of movement, life, the Sun, light, prosperity.
So do not mix faith with the Nazis and engage in the promotion of atheism, everyone will decide for himself ..

[Black]

Quote: domokl

It was not with prayer but with a sword that Alexander Nevsky drove away what was left of the Swedes and Germans from the Russian land. Not with prayer but with the sword drove Kutuzov French from the Russian land. Not with prayer, but with a sword, our grandfathers swept Hitler's scum from the Russian land.

A sword can be a force in the hands of one, and it doesn’t matter, he is a believer, but not. But the Swedes drove the people, and the French beat the PEOPLE, but here it is a completely different matter! Without an idea, a unifying soul was not, and there will be no victory. And the idea in all centuries has been one- FOR HOLY RUSSIA!
And you drive Orthodoxy into commemoration and refuge with the body and soul of weak people. In my opinion VERA is a haven of the strong, their unity in HIM and RUSSIA.

[domokl]

Quote: Chen

But the Swedes drove the people, and the French beat the PEOPLE, but here it is a completely different matter!

Sorry, but according to these words, I concluded that you did not hear the bullets whistle and did not see the blood. You’ve got the words Zapolitov ...
The people are certainly great, but MAN must raise this people to death .. One man. And so among the front-line soldiers there is so great a worship of the cruel, even the most brutal commander G. Zhukov. He sent for death, but the soldier believed, not in vain, we will defeat the adversary.
And finally, go to any mass grave. Read the names of those who rest there. Ivanov, Petrov, Vlasenkevich, Shmalko, Geglidze, Abdurazakov and others. They are RUSSIAN soldiers, they died for Russia. And the Orthodox, and Muslims, and atheists, and even Buddhists and Zionists ...

[Black]

Quote: domokl

Sorry, but according to these words, I concluded that you did not hear the bullets whistle and did not see the blood. You’ve got the words Zapolitov ...

You should not have made such a conclusion. And I saw blood, and I heard bullets, to catch, fortunately, it did not lead.
And met different politicians. Not all fifth points were cherished, and they fought no worse. do not offend them indiscriminately.
Your promise that the soldier goes to death by the will of one person I do not accept. This is not true. One marshal is not a warrior in the field. They are fighting for an idea and with an idea in the soul, some with God, some with the Motherland, some with Justice, some with Hatred of the enemy. Without this, few achieved Victory.

[vorobey]

Quote: domokl

It was not with prayer but with a sword that Alexander Nevsky drove away what was left of the Swedes and Germans from the Russian land. Not with prayer but with the sword drove Kutuzov French from the Russian land. Not with prayer, but with a sword, our grandfathers swept Hitler's scum from the Russian land.

Domocles, with all due respect .... Matthew 26,52: "for all who took the sword will perish by the sword",

This is lithography from the original. Kutuzov at the service in front of Borodino

The church has always fought and fights with invisible enemies. From external visible enemies, the Church was protected by Orthodox kings, who now no longer exist. Do not confuse the Orthodox kingdom and the Orthodox religion or church. The Orthodox kingdom, therefore, lost the battle to its enemies because its subjects, for the most part, betrayed holy Orthodoxy (i.e. faith and the Church).

The words of the Holy Prince Alexander Nevsky are spoken in relation to the external enemies of Holy Russia. But Russia fell from its internal enemies and traitors.

Russia fell from the wrong choice of the path of external prosperity and power, instead of the patristic way of non-covetousness and inner life in God proposed by the Monk Nile of Sora.

The Russian people preferred a strong sword to prayer and the word of God, which is a spiritual sword. Already in the utterance of Saint Alexander Nevsky, hints of this choice are visible: "... they will die by the (Russian) sword." This phrase is suitable for raising a patriotic mood in a crowd of people, but not for a spiritual concept.

The expression from Matthew 26,52: "for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" cannot be taken out of the context of Scripture and absolutized. Otherwise, it will contradict other Scriptures, for example: Luke 22,36: 13,3: "Then He said to them: but now, whoever has a bag, take it, also a bag; and whoever does not, sell your clothes and buy a sword." Why buy a sword if you don't use it? And St. Paul says: Romans 4: XNUMX-XNUMX: "For rulers are not afraid of good deeds, but for evil. Do you want not to be afraid of authority? Do good, and you will receive praise from it, for the ruler is God's servant, for your good . If you do evil, be afraid, for he does not carry a sword in vain: he is God's servant, an avenger as punishment for those who do evil. "

So, the words "all who took the sword" cannot be understood literally, as Protestant heretics do, that is, that everyone who ever and for something takes the sword (weapon) in hand, they will certainly perish from the sword (weapon).
In the history of Russia, we see that the same Alexander Nevsky, Suvorov, Kutuzov and other Russian commanders did not die from weapons, but rested from old age or illness.

this is a quote.http: //www.omolenko.com/2048.html

[domokl]

A slave will never be free simply because a slave is a state of mind. God gave us the right to choose. God gave us the right to be independent. And only those who are strong in spirit (which, it seems to me, are the task of human life by the will of God) can not only do Acts, but also be responsible for them, and not blame your mistakes on the shoulders of the Creator.
The sword, in the hands of a Russian person, has always been a defender of the weak, and not an instrument of the conqueror

[fisherman]

"
... how monotonous the world of human desires surrounding him ... everyone wants to live better ... better than the same - like him ... or at least look better ... and voluntarily or involuntarily - everyone is fighting each ... and the best weapon is always the mind ... only a few - not realizing it properly - it’s enough to add something unusual to everyday life - to feel happy ... like for example - that slave - who fastens oriental carpets on the worn side of the camel - add a piece of lamb to the usual stew - ... and - of course - someone will see this ... and will consider themselves deprived ... slaves of the stomach ... and both will pray for this piece of meat - as they pray for ... .. .Yes...

... but this need is not enough for the majority ... their path is illuminated by the spark of success and the splendor of privileges ... and none of them can get out of this rut ​​... just as a quivering moth cannot but respond to the call of the fire .. . it is enough to entice them with a little bit of wealth ... or say - that they are very smart ... and they are already in your pocket ... after all, each of them wants the best ... slaves of the brain ... like this padishah ... with this fool he did the same trick - as with others - who so selflessly believes in the power of material wealth and immortal intelligence ... "

[evfrat]

add, in front of the sword - they prayed ...

[GreatRussia]

Saying Suvorov:

Today - to pray, tomorrow - to study, the day after tomorrow - victory or death!
http://knsuvorov.ru/materials/prav_articles.html

[Mitzhel]

Not with a prayer but with a sword, Alexander Nevsky made the Russians bend their backs before the horde. Tried, gouged out eyes, cut noses! Instead of the enlightened Europe in the person of the Teutonic knights who carried civilization to Russia and the light of truth threw the Russians at the feet of the Horde khans. Here he is so well done ...

[atash]

Well, in the 20th century, these enlightened Teutons came. AND? And under the Horde they lived happily for 300 years, received imperial traditions, on the basis of which they later built a state. Ivan the Terrible is known for mass executions, for example, he has not heard of such "incidents" under the Horde. What is known was done by Nevsky, well, he knew what he was doing. Again, not on a Grozny scale.

Quote: Mitzhel

civilization and the light of truth

Yah you.

[homosum20]

A very old proverb: "Trust in God, but don't do it yourself." Also: "Whoever gets up early - God gives him." And the aphorism - the one who is lucky is lucky.

[Conepatus]

Everyman: God, for so many years I asked for help to win a million in the lottery, prayed, fasted, went to services. But 3 years passed, but you still didn’t help.

God: Uhhh and yy !!! So at least once you buy a lottery ticket !!!!
This means that God helps those who do, and not those who are just waiting for help.

[Savva30]

Life is a textbook that closes only with the last breath.
Only those who remake themselves live; without it, any life is just self-decay.
Our neighbors strengthen us, and our enemies temper us.
Life does not like the proud as much as the proud - they hate life.
Some people rejoice at things, while others rejoice at the One from whom things arise and in whom they leave
The less you go to hospitals, the more health remains; the less you deal with bad thoughts, the brighter the heart and the stronger the mind and body.
Living on earth, everyone has to choose - for what to live: in order to become fertilizer, or in order to become the light of good, and to shine with this light to people.

[aviamed90]

Quote:
"From what did the Russians lose the gold of the Monarchist government?"
"And the rest that is necessary for Russia - all the blessings that are natural for all mankind ... even the Tsar-father, God will add"

Is this a call for the restoration of the monarchy? We already pulled this yoke. We know!

The goals, of course, are good for Russia. What about ways to achieve them? Just a prayer call? Is that all?
Russian idea in religion? Just do not combine God and soul with the state (not to be confused with the homeland). These are incompatible things.

I consider myself Orthodox. Appeal in a call-prayer, for some reason only to them.
Then it is not clear what the followers of other religions do - the citizens of the Russian Federation (Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, etc.).

In addition, some kind of church syllable. And in Russian, people no longer understand?

It may be right that an appeal to the people on behalf of the church (it is doubtful that the ROC knows about this). But then why, instead of it under the article stands:

"Georgy K."

Who is it?

[apro]

Russia will become great only when it sets itself the super-goal arches and rises, jumps above its head, surprising itself and others. As it was during the time of Ivan Vasilyevich 4 the Terrible and the red Monarch IV Stalin. The super idea of ​​the national liberation of communist construction is good for its time, but now our bright heads?

[domokl]

Quote: apro

Russia will become great only when it sets itself the super goal arches and rises, jumps above its head, surprising itself and others

And when Russia has already become the highest animal? Not an amphibian frog? Why do we always, the second millennium of enormous blood, jump ahead of everyone, and then sit on a hummock while the rest swim forward without jerks and extra blood ...
Why was tsarist Russia a more or less stable state? Yes, simply because the government did not interfere, and sometimes helped the people live

[baltika-18]

Oh, which is very religious .... Although essentially true.
But one could write with a much smaller religious connotation, it would be more acceptable.
For the supply of material minus.

[vorobey]

Quote: baltika-18

Oh, which is very religious .... Although essentially true.

Baltic again on his own. I respect although he could have mercy. the author is not afraid of his word.

Hi.

[baltika-18]

Quote: vorobey

Baltic again on its own

Sparrow, there he has one pearl in the article. Hello.
“Russia is a church. Russian is a Christian.” I cannot accept this in any way.

[vorobey]

Quote: baltika-18

"Russia is a church. Russian is a Christian."

Baltic counterargument. You do not mind the expression-Holy Russia. Or does it bother you?

[baltika-18]

Quote: vorobey

Baltic counterargument. You do not mind the expression-Holy Russia. Or does it bother you?

In no way pretends. For the holy derivative of the word light. So Holy Russia is equal to Bright Russia.

[Penachet]

I object, dear Sparrow, Russia was long before the so-called They did not immediately become saints and Christians, but lived on these lands, and they defended them as well. We were pagans before, but it was probably right in the soul, and accepted a normal faith

[vadimN]

Quote: baltika-18

“Russia is a church. Russian is a Christian.” I cannot accept this in any way.

... you are not alone ... Why, I believe that the article is somewhat provocative and does not unite the Russian people, but fragment it ... However, I already wrote about this a little higher ..., I will not repeat it.

And Russians from pre-Christian times did not consider themselves slaves of the Jewish God, but grandchildren of the Svarogovs ...

[Orik]

Truth unites, and various isms disconnect. Isms are extreme opinions, someone believes that everything should be common, someone that is private. Neither one nor the other is true. The correct balance is correct, the narrow path, but this can only be created by answering the question, what is the point? Faith gives the highest meaning and the author wrote it well, the rest is derivative. So what do you believe in, what are your intangible meanings? Tell me patriotism, but this is love for the motherland, Westerners have it too. Again the question to which homeland, what are the values ​​of this homeland! You say the family, but the family is of value to the Westerner. Again it is necessary to answer the question which family is right. Therefore, judging on the basis of secondary, derived ideas about life is not true.
Not knowing Orthodoxy, having deeply atrophied organs capable of perceiving the spiritual sphere, there is no need to judge it. Man is created in the image and likeness of God, he is not a slave but a SON. There are three stages in the spiritual age: a slave works out of fear, a mercenary because of gifts, and a son out of love for the Father. The last is the highest stage, the acquisition of true, passionless love and is the goal of human life, having acquired love, a person becomes like God. For God is LOVE. And then, “There is no more love than if someone lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:13) And from here follows love for the fatherland, family, people. The other comes from another spirit, the spirit of pride. How long the union lasted, only 70 years. Even Peter's empire is two hundred, and Holy Russia is even more. What do you want, State Greatness or Truth? Let everyone decide for himself, but do not condemn him without understanding Orthodoxy! The Orthodox Russian people created an empire, and the communist government first divided it into republics, and then destroyed it for the sake of its own saturation, and the majority did not even utter a word.

[alex13-61]

Quote: baltika-18

could write with a much smaller religious connotation, would be more acceptable

I agree. I also do not welcome radicalism ...
And therefore ... the material did not evaluate ...

[optimist]

Here we just lacked religious fanaticism. Despite the fact that churches are growing like mushrooms after rain, the Russian people are not getting better, smarter and stronger. Look at how the putler kisses the priests and it will immediately become clear to whose "mill" the water is pouring ...
"RELIGION, -OPIUM FOR THE PEOPLE !!!"

[Grigorich 1962]

Yes, patriotism and the ROC are better not to mention together.

[vorobey]

Quote: optimist

"RELIGION, -OPIUM FOR THE PEOPLE !!!"

oh, this slogan is already heard somewhere. It was precisely in a revolutionary outburst that the brother wet his brother, and the son hung his father. True, it was.

Quote: optimist

That's just religious fanaticism and we did not have enough

Again, it is true that we do not have enough. we are not afraid of either God or Satan. We jump on a rake. get and jump again. The masters of their fate and life themselves. only in reality nothing depends on us. flood, fire. Icicles equal everyone, but what a sense of self-worth and dignity - I am the master of my destiny.

[optimist]

Quote: vorobey

oh, this slogan is already heard somewhere.

Dear, in what century do you live? About 150-200 years ago, the commandments of the church still worked at the very least (and even that is not a fact). Religion fulfilled its function at a certain stage of mankind completely. And returning now to medieval obscurantism is the same as offering you to transfer from your foreign car to a wooden cart ....

[fisherman]

You confuse spiritual progress and technical ...

technological progress will stop only during the 3rd world war ...

spiritual progress has already stopped thousands of children, and it does not move further, a limit has already been found (for each denomination its own)

everything has been said a long time ago, for example, “to think about profit - to multiply evil” (Confucius) and that everyone stopped devouring each other? ..

no ... modern man develops only technically .....

[optimist]

Quote: fisherman

You confuse spiritual progress and technical ...

You understood me wrong. The main task of any religion (paganism) is to keep the masses in subjection and under control. You can't put a cop on everyone, but here he hung up "noodles" about the All-Seeing and the Almighty, you see, the people have calmed down. You can tell me long and hard about the spiritual component, etc., but a modern cultured and educated person does not need religion: he will go to a psychoanalyst, not to a priest. Moreover, religion is even harmful. Look at modern Muslim fanatics: for the most part, they are stupid, poorly educated people who are ready for any crime for the sake of dubious dogmas. Before the coup of 91, these "faithful" ate pork and did not do namaz.

[fisherman]

I won’t brainwash you ...

"logic and only logic"

any religion is just one of the tools of knowing the world ...

find an article in the internet "Alternative Reason or the Absolute Genius ..."

if you can refute at least one of her theses, then at least you can claim the Nobel Prize ...

and we will not discuss the details and nuances, and draw global conclusions on them, okay? :)

By the way, do you know what role negative feedback plays in electrical circuits?

[optimist]

You go too deep into the subject of the dispute. I’m talking about superficial, everyday moments and the perception of religion by an ordinary ordinary, nothing outstanding person, of whom the majority.
By the way, what is the OOS I am aware of: at one time I graduated from the military school of communications.

[fisherman]

I wish you good health, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel, very happy :)

You made it easier for me, firstly, we will not be like superficial people (or, as Solzhenitsyn said, “educated people”), otherwise they will lead me into the jungle, we will speak simply and clearly ...

- a society in a state of resonance (not resonance) can only collapse ...

[optimist]

I understood you, but you also understand me: I am not against religion as such. It's everyone's personal business, whether to believe it or not. Moreover, I myself was baptized as a child. BUT! I am against the forced imposition of religion in our society. And if after 1917 churches were destroyed and priests were hanged, now they have rushed to the other extreme. Believe me, religion is clearly not the way that will save our country. Now it is like in chess: tsungtsvag ... Russia will reach its "bottom dead center" so that, horrified, it will rise again. It has always been and will be so.

[fisherman]

It is everyone's personal business to believe or not.

I completely agree with you, but "a person is a social being" and "a person's fate depends on the fate of those around him" ...

The church is not for me, it is for society ...

they should come to churches themselves, without imposing, but here we must remember that the Church is now losing to gay pride parades that really impose their "values" ...

Who won? the answer is obvious, therefore the Church decided on this NON-TRADITIONAL step (she herself went to the trains, to the army, etc.)

this is an extreme, and I agree with you, but all because our whole existence today is an extreme and terrible marginalism ...

I'm not talking about a direct attack, that is, about punk prayers ...

[optimist]

Quote: fisherman

they should come to churches themselves, without imposing, but here we must remember that the Church is now losing to gay pride parades that really impose their "values" ...

Believe me: the church is not a very suitable weapon against pid..rov. And in our society there is clearly no place for homosexuality. We have a lot of other, more global problems that are clearly not in the competence of the clergy. Only one phrase of our priests: "All power is from God" turns me away from them completely and irrevocably.

Quote: fisherman

I'm not talking about a direct attack, that is, about punk prayers ...

Well, this "performance" with cheap fools-sluts generally "lowered" the church below the plinth. Instead of spanking them and letting them go to their mothers, they were made universal martyrs. You will see that they will be worn on hands after leaving the "zone" ...

[GreatRussia]

Quote: optimist

the bottom is only the phrase of our priests: "All power from God" turns me away from them completely and irrevocably.

Very bad. Because this is a phrase from the New Testament, and not from the priests. And the meaning of this phrase is somewhat different than what you put in it.

[vadimN]

Quote: GreatRussia

And the meaning of this phrase is slightly different than what you put in it.

Holy Scripture can be interpreted in any way. It is believed that it was written precisely for the purpose that it could be interpreted differently for the sake of a particular situation or ruling force.

The truth is straightforward and unambiguous, everything else is from the evil one!

From ancient times to the present day, Christianity has been used to govern people. This is his global task. Hence the corresponding interpretation. That is why phrases such as "all power is from God," "humility is the lot of a Christian," etc. have a direct effect and turn away thinking people from the church!

[fisherman]

We are full of other, more global issues that are clearly not in the competence of worshipers.

and I’ll call you without further ado: our most global problem is the number of HONEST people who sharply decreased after the 90s ...

who are clearly not in the competence of worshipers.

In addition to the state’s material scraps (power, number of officials, infrastructure, number of factories, steamships, steel and milk yield per capita), there are also spiritual bonds (quality issues, for example, moral and ethical quality of human material, for example, officials ... ........)

you cannot create a solid structure on one axis, there are not enough balancing moments, or a counterweight, or a wife is not enough for a husband :)

The church and the state, like a wife and a husband, are engaged in one business, but in different ways, "they are perpendicular" ..., and are not left to themselves, this is ideally, in fact - the horse has not yet been rolled ...

if the role of the Church were taken on by "other spiritual caretakers" (I am already smiling, since I have already tried it more than once :), then I would only be FOR ...

we'll see...

Instead of spanking them and letting them go to their mothers, they were made universal martyrs. You will see that they will be worn on hands after leaving the "zone" ...

and God forbid, lest they kill ...

You will look through the article, which I advised you, for example, my eyes opened right away :) about the same as after the "Rat King"

let me go to the barracks for a night break? :))

[atash]

Religion provides the basis for the creation and existence of the state. But a man needs a state. Without the state, in particular the police and prisons, you won’t get home from work.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

Religion provides the basis for the creation and existence of the state.

Not the state, but specifically the monarchy.

[atash]

Bolshevik ideology, too, was a religion with all the attributes, except without the identity of God. And so - here are the books for you, the prophets, the doctrine, ideology: the proletarian is good, the bourgeois is evil. This was the Soviet government.

[Yarosvet]

The Bolshevik ideology, even in places, used the same techniques as religions, nevertheless offered a scientific justification for itself.

Religions, which are essentially ideologies, do not offer such a justification, they give a choice - either pretend that you believe, or die.

[atash]

Marxism is not drawn to real science, more empiricist. It is approximately the same as the current western marketing, studied in due time on MBA.
In the scriptures centuries ago, it is said about the expansion of the Universe, about the relativity of time, about parallel worlds, etc. Mankind has abandoned religion, has taken up science for military purposes, and has come to the same. Not becoming happier at the same time.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

Marxism is not drawn to real science, more empiricist.

Empiricism, in other words, verified repeatable experience, is precisely the basis of science.

Quote: Atash

In the scriptures centuries ago, it is said about the expansion of the Universe, about the relativity of time, about parallel worlds, etc.

Nonsense. Such interpretations are far-fetched, but there are no real examples.
It’s also interesting - on what basis are you based claiming that humanity has not become happier?

Quote: Atash

Mankind has abandoned religion, has taken up science for military purposes, and has come to the same

Mankind has come to understand the falsehood of the religious explanations of the world, as a result of which religions have been discarded.

[atash]

Quote: Yarosvet

is the basis of n

But one basis is not enough. Based on experience, a coherent mathematical theory must be present.

Quote: Yarosvet

real examples

As for the expansion of the Universe, there is a specific verse in the Quran. Unfortunately, I’m not well versed to indicate a place in a book right now.
About relativity. A dumb atheistic argument: how could the Earth be formed in 7 days. Science has come to the conclusion that 7 days can be 7 seconds or 7 million years. And about the age of the Earth in science, the famous paradox is known: two correct answers.

Quote: Yarosvet

humanity has not become happier

Give you examples of happiness now. Cars, planes, medicine? For each new medicine, a hundred new diseases appear, what is the use?

Religion has been discarded on the basis of initial vulgar conclusions. And then Einstein and Bohr argued about God: "-I do not believe that God plays dice. -Leave God to decide what to play." "The more you do science, the more you believe in God." It has been repeated by more than one scientist.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

But one basis is not enough. Based on experience, a coherent mathematical theory must be present.

Mathematical theory is possible only in relation to mathematics, writing by means of formulas is possible in relation to any exact science, including economic calculations.
Marxism is a social science, its main tools are statistics and statistical analysis.

As for the expansion of the Universe, there is a specific verse in the Quran. Unfortunately, I’m not well versed to indicate a place in a book right now.

51:47 - it is specifically about the sky.

About relativity. A dumb atheistic argument: how could the Earth be formed in 7 days. Science has come to the conclusion that 7 days can be 7 seconds or 7 million years. And about the age of the Earth in science, the famous paradox is known: two correct answers.

There are no paradoxes - a hypothesis is not an answer, it is a working material from which one repels, an assumption, a probability.
Science has come to relativity, but scientific data does not allow double interpretation. And religions ... Look at the number of faiths, movements and sects in the same Islam.

Give you examples of happiness now. Cars, planes, medicine? For each new medicine, a hundred new diseases appear, what is the use?

For objective reasons, I am not able to do this, and you have taken such responsibility.
Happiness is an emotionally subjective category; applying it to humanity is simply incorrect.
But life expectancy has increased, you no longer have to yell from toothache, hunger is objectively defeated (its presence is a political issue), humanity knows and knows more than before, the likelihood of survival of the species has increased, etc. And you do not seem to be running away from civilization.

Religion has been discarded on the basis of initial vulgar conclusions. And then Einstein and Bohr argued about God: "-I do not believe that God plays dice. -Leave God to decide what to play." "The more you do science, the more you believe in God." It has been repeated by more than one scientist.

There is a lot of confusion with the quotes of the great ones: I do not know a single world-famous scientist of the 20th century, not a single Nobel laureate who, in the absence of a threat to his health or life, would say that he believes in God. But at the same time, any sane scientist will never categorically say that there is no god, until it is 100% proven.
Categorical statements are inherent only to religions.

[baltika-18]

Quote: fisherman

spiritual progress has already stopped thousands of children, and it does not move further, a limit has already been found (for each denomination its own)

Religions are also a brake on spiritual progress, a brake on cognition of the world on a spiritual level, for they are bound by dogmas invented by people in time immemorial.

[fisherman]

I completely agree with you, regarding the "brake", since for religion it is precisely restraint and inhibition that is the main purpose, just about - from time immemorial

there is one "but" that you missed: spiritual progress has stopped long ago, if this is not so, then you can easily point me to a NEW IDEA OF GOOD, right here on this site :)) name that teaching (philosophical, or religious, or political , or private), which the blind mankind missed in its movement towards "reason and light" ...

maybe this new doctrine (idea, religion, social theory) appeared recently, and I just don’t know about it? ..

in the first part (about the brake) I did not joke on you, you can re-read my answer above :)

[atash]

Explain to me, for example, why a person should not steal? After all, this is easier than working honestly. Not caught - not a thief. Those who catch thieves can be considered wrong, and the thief is right.
Theft can be "substantiated" only by religion: it is told you - do not steal. Also in Soviet ideology, a thief is a wrecker. And without this there will be no successful state.

[Vadivak]

Quote: optimist

"RELIGION, -OPIUM FOR THE PEOPLE !!!"

"Religion is the opium of the people, as it relieves their suffering." Friedrich von Hardenberg

[fisherman]

"... the only hope in this tortured world"

[not good]

In the God-loving country, which Russia was before the Bolsheviks, the rates of crime and suicides were two orders of magnitude lower than in the current enlightened and educated country. And this was not the last role played by the institutions of the church and family. This hour of suffering has become greater, it is not surprising that many reached to church (religion), this opium is much better than alcoholism, drugs and other ways to get away from the world. The state cannot give an alternative idea yet. You can draw a parallel between the betrayal by the Russian people of their country in 1917 and what subsequently fell to the Russian people (war, devastation, repression, etc.) And now WE are reaping the fruits of our grandfathers' retreat from the oath: For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland. First they betrayed the king, then they departed from the faith, and Fatherland remained One. Yes and God with it’s even more difficult for the Tsar to protect the Fatherland without faith, and religion, if it’s not sects and radicals, but denominations that have existed in Russia for centuries, can be spiritual and moral bonds We have much more benefit and society from the church than from the current ministers. And if a person believes God is of help, and if he does not believe, let him not interfere, but lives according to his conscience, then you look and the country will be reborn.

[atash]

First, the monarchy betrayed the people, sending them to the slaughter in favor of Europe, substituting them for invasion. She could not organize the defense of her own country, they handed over Moscow, they could not defeat Japan. This was tired of the people, and the church, truth be told, has discredited itself in these events.

[sergeschern]

I drove off to work, I was late, and ahead of us two steep jeeps are driving along the middle of the road at a speed of 40 km. and not to overtake in any way, the road is narrow. And I need to drive past the temple. So, having somehow got there, these "steep" ones turned into the courtyard of the temple. I slowed down, it became interesting; so two toasted priests got out from there! So I think since then, but what happens to the box "for the needs of the temple"? To be honest, it became very unpleasant for me.

[timurpl]

It looks like it's time to collect the Russian land! in the name of our common future.
-We must show Europe how to live right: without gays, emigrants, without double standards and with God in our hearts!
-And if someone doesn’t like something, then there is an ancient Russian fun-ON THE NUMBER!

[Eric]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

It is necessary to wake up already, for 20 years too much has already been lost, otherwise the fate of Byzantium (just today was the last article about it) is not far off.

[kazakh]

Only real Russians can resist the Western world

[alexkross83]

Only real Kazakhs will help real Russians in this!

[Svobodny]

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Quote: Kazakh

Only real Russians can resist the Western world

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Quote: alexkross83

Only real Kazakhs will help real Russians in this!

Like a balm for the soul! Here are comments so comments. One hundred pluses to you guys!

[essenger]

Quote: Kazakh

Only real Russians can resist the Western world

Let the main thing is not to drag us there ...

[Savva30]

If you fall from a cliff into the abyss, why not try to fly? What are you losing?
Max Fry

[Grigorich 1962]

But it’s better not to mix the ROC here! ... Russia was before Christianity and will be after it. The church, led by Cyril (Gundyaev), has long been solving only its problems and not the problems of the people ... of the Russian people.

[sashka]

Quote: Grigorich 1962

The church, led by Kirill (Gundyaev), has long been solving only its problems

The surname is interesting. And what then to think? Jews (Vladimir Vysotsky) No further arguing. Jews rule the world.

[yurta2013]

The article is quite interesting, because it tries to revive the understanding of the essence of Russian society and the state, which, in general, we already had in the days of pre-Petrine Rus. However, it is impossible to enter the same water twice. Too much of it has flowed under the bridge since then. Both the Russian people and Russia itself today are not at all the same as they were in the 15-17th centuries. They did their best to eradicate Holy Russia, each in his own time, and Peter the 1st, with all his followers of German nationality, and Lenin, and Stalin, and the Soviet system they created, and the subsequent rampant "wild market", and the modern political elite. Today, nothing has remained of this idea in the minds of the people, except, perhaps, an intuitive sense of their dissimilarity from the inhabitants of both the West and the East. Today it is possible to return to "Holy Russia" only with the help of a time machine, but, unfortunately, it will hardly ever be invented.

[pa_nik]

Quote: timurpl

-And if someone doesn’t like something, then there is an ancient Russian fun-ON THE NUMBER!

These are European entertainments - massacres. Russia has always been distinguished by Christian tolerance, mercy, including to enemies and traitors. (I do not beg the power of the Russian people and their weapons). Maybe this attitude to the World is the main mystery of the Russian soul and the energy that does not allow the adversary to possess our Power, and the Russians - to be broken!? ...

[kosta7491]

Yes, tolerance cannot be taken away from the modern Russian Orthodox Church. Stupid jerks of fate were broken. Although it was a banal petty hooliganism.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: kosta7491

Yes, the tolerance of the modern Russian Orthodox Church cannot be taken away.

Oh how! What side is the Russian Orthodox Church separated from the state?
Bastards?
Burned sluts, deliberately planned and implemented the action.
Especially Tolokonnikova:
http://actionism.ru/art-group/ebis-za-naslednika-medvezhonka-gruppovaya-seks-org

iya-v-biologicheskom-muzee.html

No wonder her hubby runs to the State Departments.




The authors of the picture remind that since the age of 18 P.Verzilov has been a citizen of Canada (he also issued a residence permit in this country to N. Tolokonnikova). A few weeks before the cassation of the verdict of the members of the group, he, together with the lawyers of "Pussy Riot" and their little daughter, went to America, speaking in the US Congress and on CNN.

[sergey261180]

RUSSIA IS A CHURCH. RUSSIAN IS CHRISTIAN.

As long as Jews come up with a Russian national idea, nothing good will come of it. The Russians should form their own worldview, that is, one must think with their head, and not live by abramic obscurantism.

[vadimN]

Me, as a Russian person and a patriot, deeply offends author approval
"Rusichi are Christians, therefore not everyone born in Russia is Russian. This name belongs only to Christians."
I am not an atheist, but the Christian faith and the church, as it is now, cause deep rejection. Therefore, I do not consider myself a Christian. But from this I did not become less patriotic and do not spit in my Russia! Why did someone take the right to decide whether I am Russian or not, and even on a religious basis?

[yurta2013]

Quote: vadimN

As a Russian person and a patriot, I am deeply offended by the author's statement "Rusichi are Christians, therefore not everyone who was born in Russia is Russian.

The author of this article reproduces the ideas that prevailed in Russian society during the pre-Petrine "Muscovite Rus". Then this idea ceased to be national and was gradually erased from the national consciousness.

[Avenger711]

The right-handedness of the brain is evident. But the Orthodox and devout Russia was somehow not very lucky, unlike the atheistic Soviet Union, which, after the war, controlled more territory than the Republic of Ingushetia for its entire existence.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Avenger711

The right-handedness of the brain is evident. But the Orthodox and devout Russia was somehow not very lucky, unlike the atheistic Soviet Union, which, after the war, controlled more territory than the Republic of Ingushetia for its entire existence.

Absolute nonsense - the Russian Empire controlled a larger space, had much more weight in the world (both economic and human).
And one more thing about the "quality of" controlled "territories. The Russian Empire had tremendous weight in Europe and was located much more in the West, while the USSR generally lost its western lands and climbed head over heels into Asia. So the Empire and the USSR are incomparable values. The USSR is just a stub of the Empire, and far from the best.

[Corsair5912]

Warrawar
The USSR is just a stub of the Empire, and far from the best

So explain to us where is the best piece of the empire.
The Russian Empire and the USSR had weight in the world not because of the territory, but because of the country's relatively high cultural, scientific, economic and military level.
Canada on the territory of the second country in the world, something is not heard, so that it would have at least some weight in the world.
The USSR did not lose any Western territories and did not climb into Asia, not just head over heels, but even Faberge. Russia in Asia, up to the Pacific Ocean, has been living 500 years since Ivan the Terrible.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Corsair5912

So explain to us where is the best piece of the empire.

And what you don’t see, CPSU party cards were changed to membership, and EP was the only thing for them that was the Komsomol, the Hitler Youth

[atash]

Come on, stop it! RI spent most of the last part of its history (beginning with Peter) serving the interests of a certain European camp, participating in European squabbles on its side. Because Napoleon went to Russia, he called her a henchman of England. The Russian people naturally did not like this, therefore Pugachev, therefore, in the end, a revolution. And in Soviet times, Europe was completely out of business; it was alive thanks to the USA. There were only two powers in the world - the USA and the USSR.

[Warrawar]

The Soviet regime destroyed the Russian people. Here are the words of the Soviet leaders:
“We must turn Russia into a desert inhabited by white Negroes, to whom we will give such a tyranny that the most terrible despots of the East have never dreamed of.” The only difference is that this tyranny will not be on the right, but on the left, not white, but red. In the literal sense of the word is red, for we will shed such streams of blood before which all human losses of capitalist wars shudder and turn pale. The largest bankers from across the ocean will work in close contact with us. If we win the revolution, crush Russia, then on the debris of it we will strengthen the power of Zionism and become such a force in front of which the whole world will kneel. We will show what real power is. Through terror, bloody baths, we will bring the Russian intelligentsia to a complete dullness, to idiocy, to an animal state ... In the meantime, our young men in leather jackets — the sons of watchmakers from Odessa and Orsha, Gomel and Vinnitsa — can hate everything Russian! With what pleasure they physically destroy the Russian intelligentsia — officers, academics, writers — LEIBA TROTSKY
- Russia is a brushwood that we will throw into the furnace of the world revolution - VI AND LENIN

[Warrawar]

The invasion of the Hitler hordes is a direct merit of the Soviet regime. Read, in the lines of "Mine Kamp"
- You must not forget the fact that the rulers of modern Russia are low bloodstained criminals, this is a human scum that took advantage of a combination of tragic circumstances that took it by surprise, carried out a wild bloody massacre of millions of progressive intelligent people, in fact destroyed the intelligentsia and now, for ten years now, has been carrying out the most cruel tyranny that history has ever known.
- Having seized political power, e..y finally drops the mask he wore before. A democratic people's Jew turns into a bloody e..i and a tyrant of peoples. He seeks in a matter of years to exterminate the national intelligentsia and prepare the nations that he has deprived of their natural spiritual leaders for the fate of slaves living under continuous oppression. The most terrible example of this kind is Russia, where in his truly fanatical savagery he killed thirty million people in inhuman torment or starved to ensure a handful of f ... scribblers and exchange bandits dominate the great people
True eyes hurts.

[Warrawar]

The merit of the Soviet regime in the technological progress that occurred in the USSR is not what. I will say more, the Soviet regime hindered the development of Russia and threw it back several decades.
As a result of the "revolution" millions of intellectuals were killed, and the same number fled from the country to the West (mainly to the USA). Moreover, they fled to the West along with their knowledge and talents. The most striking examples of this are Zvorykin (the inventor of the television) and Sikorsky (the inventor of the helicopter).
The fact that the world's first television and helicopter appeared in the United States, and not in Russia, is a direct merit of Soviet leaders!
By the way, to this day, the Sikorsky aviation company is the best in the world and is very successfully crowding our aviation industry.

[kavkaz8888]

Brother reasonably outlined.
I want to add that Prince Svyatoslav (the last prince of the Rus) did not in vain cross the Khazar Khaganate through the Wild Field. I knew the prince what such a neighborhood is fraught with.

[Corsair5912]

The fact that the world's first television and helicopter appeared in the United States, and not in Russia, is a direct merit of Soviet leaders!

You lie, however, the first television appeared in Russia in 1911, and not in the USA (1931) as Zvorykin’s invention, and Sikorsky’s helicopters could never compete with the Soviet ones. And what do the leaders have to do with it, did they not organize a world war and revolution?
Parasites and Mr. nations fled abroad, not engineers and scientists.
The USSR was far ahead of the whole west in the growth rates of industry and science, especially fundamental.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Corsair5912

Parasites and Mr. nations fled abroad

Sergei Vasilievich Rakhmaninov Mr. nation? Do not rush to extremes

[atash]

Yes, and the first American flew into space, not Yuri Alekseevich, and now Russia has nuclear weapons in spite of the "Soviet regime." The dissidents, contrary to the regime, developed, established production and armed the Soviet Army with nuclear warheads. Therefore, the KGB pursued them. You're going to go crazy, Barbarian.

[atash]

Without the "Soviet regime" these hordes would have come even earlier and would have divided Russia, and there would have been a real genocide.

[MG42]

Quote: Warrawar

The invasion of the Hitler hordes is a direct merit of the Soviet regime.

One post of another is more beautiful, why did you write the Hitler’s word with a capital letter, and you wrote the Soviet one with a small?

Quote: Warrawar

Read the lines "Mein Kampf"

and then Ostap suffered ... what Hitler will quote here now? you didn’t beguile the forum for an hour?

[Warrawar]

Quote: MG42

and then Ostap suffered ... what Hitler will quote here now? you didn’t beguile the forum for an hour?

Yes, we will quote Hitler, for the truth pierces the eye.

[MG42]

Quote: Warrawar

Yes, we will quote Hitler, for the truth pierces the eye.

Quote: Warrawar

The main thing is how many minuses have instructed me

You are a really strange guy who wanted to be showered with pluses for <mein kampf>, let's also quote about the superiority of the Aryan race and racial purity.

[dmb]

"Colitis" eyes, as you have pleased to put it, is not true, but ignorance of the native language. And the more illiterate, the more "patriotic". Somehow I have already spoken about the quotes you quoted, but for you personally, I will repeat myself again. Try (if you are really interested in disclosing the "insidious Bolshevik plans") to find the primary sources and continue to quote, refer to them. True, I'm afraid that as such, you will refer only to the speech of the notorious Dr. Goebbels. Some believed him, too, but ended up badly.

[Warrawar]

Quote: dmb

"Colitis" eyes, as you have pleased to put it, is not true, but ignorance of the native language. And the more illiterate, the more "patriotic". Somehow I have already spoken about the quotes you quoted, but for you personally, I will repeat myself again. Try (if you are really interested in disclosing the "insidious Bolshevik plans") to find the primary sources and continue to quote, refer to them. True, I'm afraid that as such, you will refer only to the speech of the notorious Dr. Goebbels. Some believed him, too, but ended up badly.

You refer me to the source, but I doubt that you yourself have re-read the complete works of Ilyich.
All these quotes roam the Internet and it is not difficult to find them (as well as from which particular "primary sources" they are quoted).
By the way, and my literacy, I should not be reproached if you yourself make gross grammatical mistakes: "It hurts" your eyes, as you were pleased to express - in Russian it is not written to express, but to express, with a soft sign and not otherwise. What to do - Express yourself (with a soft sign). What is he doing? - expressed (without soft).

[Warrawar]

The main thing is how many cons they taught me. But if I wrote posts like: "Let's revive the USSR! TAKE AND SHARE EVERYTHING! PLANT ALL BURZHUEI, AND BETTER SHOOT!", I would have drowned in pluses.

[Warrawar]

Read, but rather watch "Heart of a Dog". This work is the whole essence of the USSR.
I also advise Grigory Klimov "The Prince of this World" and "My Name is Legion" - you will learn a lot about the ethnic composition of the "revolutionaries" and their sexual orientations and preferences.

[atash]

Well, and who are you pure in heart and soul? Not SS sheep?
What do you suggest, what camp are you from?

[dmb]

If you and I switched to "You" dear, then: "I am aware of my guilt, measure, degree, depth" - and henceforth I will try not to rush to write the answer. However, your illiteracy is not from haste, but from skipping lessons at school. Of course, I have not read the complete works, but what does this have to do with my previous commentary? I can only repeat, please refer to primary sources or don't write nonsense. By the way, in "Heart of a Dog" Bulgakov mocked not so much about socialism as about individuals who are proud of their illiteracy. There is a significant difference between people who, due to their financial situation, the "blessed royal rule" did not allow them to receive knowledge, but who aspired to it. Academicians and aircraft designers, writers and lawyers emerged from them in Soviet times. Others were proud and proud of their ignorance. They are the Sharikovs. I sincerely wish you to take up your own education and move to the first category. Then, perhaps even if you want literature with a "strawberry" (well, which of us is not a sinner), you will read Maupassant and Balzac, and not "masterpieces" of some Klimov.

[zennon]

Quote: dmb

By the way, in "Heart of a Dog" Bulgakov mocked not so much about socialism as about individuals who are proud of their illiteracy.

But don’t you curious?
http://lib.ru/BULGAKOW/perspect.txt
True, he is not ironic here. And he wrote this as a young man. You can’t hide his skill in his pocket ...

[vadimN]

Not all Soviet leaders are worthy of your criticism. For what you are quoting above, Trotsky personally and the entire Leninist guard in general, a certain Soviet leader named JV Stalin in the thirties deservedly "put under the knife" and saved the Russian Empire, making it stronger!

[Warrawar]

Quote: vadimN

Not all Soviet leaders are worthy of your criticism. For what you are quoting above, Trotsky personally and the entire Leninist guard in general, a certain Soviet leader named JV Stalin in the thirties deservedly "put under the knife" and saved the Russian Empire, making it stronger!

Throughout the history of the USSR, Stalin was the only sensible leader. The rest are "human scum" (as was quoted above), and only the last Soviet leader Gorbachev and his heir EBN, so in general mortality - in the best traditions of the CPSU.

[atash]

But Stalin stopped all this utopia. And the Soviet period is the best part of Russian history. There was always enough blood in this story. And after the 2nd World War there was 40 years of peace and prosperity, not only in the USSR, but in the whole world there was peace, sorry for the Soviet pun, but this was compared to what is happening now.

[Seraph]

Orthodox and devout Russia lasted a thousand years and polamala the Mongols, Poles, Swedes, Turks, Krymchaks, Germans, French, and even the little things. The atheistic USSR lived for 70 years and broke the Germans. Comparison is not very in favor of atheists

[Vadivak]

Quote: Seraphim

The atheistic USSR lived for 70 years and broke the Germans.

After Stalin revived the Moscow Patriarchate in the turning point of 1943

[Black]

Quote: GG2012

The Russian Orthodox Church is a totalitarian sect that lasted 1000 years only due to administrative resources and physical and mental violence against the population of the Russian Empire.

So may the God-hater say so.
I was raised in the USSR, my father is a communist, a family of atheists, and I am not a church person. But I did not hear something from the grandfathers that they drove them with sticks to the church. On the contrary. Quite the opposite. In the village at the expense of the Cossacks built a wonderful Church of the Nativity of Christ. Hands of free Cossacks, not slaves! The church unites, and carries pure and worthy.
Where there is no God, the devil settles there, which means spirituality. A holy place is never empty. Look around - isn’t this the result of the fighting of the country?

[Warrawar]

Quote: Seraphim

Orthodox and devout Russia lasted a thousand years and polamala the Mongols, Poles, Swedes, Turks, Krymchaks, Germans, French, and even the little things. The atheistic USSR lived for 70 years and broke the Germans. Comparison is not very in favor of atheists

Yes, and this is the main argument. But the bulk of those present here does not mean anything. For they are not able to realize what we have lost and will never return.

[atash]

The French, the Poles surrendered Moscow, the Japanese again. The USSR did not let the Germans into Moscow. Revive the Soviet principles of governance and, God forbid, Russia will stand for another 1000 years, we will break the whole world. "We will inflame the world fire in woe to all bourgeoisie"

[Vladomir]

God's, pure world is the world of Russia, the world of a Russian Christian faithful to the covenants and deeds of his ancestors. And they deny the satanic world of the West, the world of blood, murder, debauchery, completely opposite to the Russian spirit of patriotism and self-sacrifice for the sake of relatives and their homeland. It is in the soul of a Russian person that there is a unity of soul and God. For a Westerner, the main God is the Dollar, worship and worship of him, the creation of Satan, the devil, shaitan.

[GG2012]

Quote: CaptainBlack

Moreover, faith, Jesus, etc. bullshit!

Quote: CaptainBlack

And my faith will be true - faith in VICTORY !!!

Quote: CaptainBlack

The army is for the strong in spirit, body, clear head, patriots who love their Great Motherland, and are ready to give their lives at any moment, not for a second thinking about "eternal paradise" and such crap!

Quote: CaptainBlack

Let the church milk its sheep in its parishes, but DO NOT climb into the Army !!!

Quote: CaptainBlack

Glory to the Heroes of the USSR and Russia !!!

I will subscribe to your every word!
I applaud !!!

[IRBIS]

First, about the proposed photo. Personally, I was never impressed by the artistically hung shiny things on the left and right chest. Moreover, among them, at least on the right side, there is not a single combat award. Grandpa is a "collector". Here at the paratrooper - yes.
About the article. It is already clear that the idea of ​​the church to penetrate into all areas of our life and the attempt to pass off "holiness" as a national idea that has united everyone is not valid. Religion is an explosive thing. There is no need to try to identify Russia only with Christianity, it may end badly. The appeals "For Holy Russia" and "In the name of God", even written in large letters, are better left where they were pronounced - in our history. Or does someone think that life under the laws of the Inquisition is better than life under the laws of Sharia?
And I already know one of God's people. And it jars me when someone tries to present himself as "chosen" by someone.

[GG2012]

Quote: IRBIS

And I already know one of God's people. And it jars me when someone tries to present himself as "chosen" by someone.

I agree with you.
But in the article, such a moment draws attention to itself:

"The task of the Church of God - the Will of the Head of the Church for her children - members of the Body of the Church, is as follows:
To join all members of the Church Body to Himself - to the Head - to God as fully as possible.

But this is about establishing the principle that all power in the country belongs to the Church and its head - the Patriarch.
Thus, the Church is going to seize power in the state and rule the country authoritarianly.

In my opinion, this is already too much!
He who wrote the article and considered the same way - took a breath of incense!

[IRBIS]

Quote: GG2012

Incense breathed!

Judging by the effects on the ability to think, it doesn't look like incense.

[IRBIS]

Quote: GG2012

“All of you who were baptized into Christ are clothed in Christ. There is no longer Judea, nor a Gentile; no slave, nor free; no male, no female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. "

So, according to the letter of Paul literally, Europe lives.
But seriously, I am constantly surprised that many people do not see the obvious - three world religions originated and took shape in one place, in one city. And two of them are in the same cave. How can this be ??? Well this is not casual ...

[Pimply]

Judaism, Islam, Christianity have common roots. The main difference starts outside the so-called Old Testament. Monotheism came from one man - Abraham. If we talk about it.

[IRBIS]

Quote: Pimply

Judaism, Islam, Christianity have common roots.

Let's just say that it’s not common roots, but one author (in the broad sense). And the difference is that the adjustment in each of these religions was carried out already in the course of actions, in relation to the created conditions.

[atash]

Quote: Pimply

If we talk about it

Allow extensive help to the extent of knowledge of the issue.
Abrahamic religions are the same religion at different times. You can say Christianity is "upgrade" of Judaism, Islam is "upgrade" of Christianity. "Upgrades" are really from one source - the Almighty. That is, for Muslims, the Jews who followed the teachings of Moses before the coming of Jesus, peace be upon them both, are absolutely faithful people. The faith of those who did not follow Isa (Jesus) is already being questioned. Likewise, Christians before and after the coming of Mohammad (m. E. And b. A.). If you believe in God, why don't you follow his prophet? That is, you need to follow the latest legislation, because it was published in order for a person to follow it, and not choose between it and the previous ones. And modern Jews and Christians, thus, stand on the faith of their ancestors. The Jews do not recognize Isa (m.u.) and Mohammad (m. E. And b. A.), Christians do not recognize Mohammad (m. E. And B. A.). Christians recognize Moses (ie), Muslims recognize Musa and Isa (peace be upon them both). Modern Judaism and Christianity are, as it were, unhealthy branches that grew out of the faithful previous sections of one tree trunk of the True Religion, which existed from the very beginning, from Adam (peace be upon him) and his books, it did not begin with Abraham (peace be upon him). From the beginning there was a true religion of monotheism, paganism appeared later, that is, then people began to distort it, some time after Noah (i.e.), if we talk about it. Islam, Christianity, Judaism are the names of the last three sections of the trunk.

[Pimply]

It should be added that the representatives of monotonous religions in Judaism stand out especially and are designated as "bnei Noah" - the sons of Noah.

According to the Talmud, God gave mankind through Adam and Noah the following 7 laws:
The prohibition of idolatry is faith in one God.
The prohibition of blasphemy is worship of God.
The prohibition of murder is respect for human life.
Prohibition of adultery - respect for the family.
The prohibition of theft is respect for the property of one's neighbor.
The prohibition of eating flesh cut off from a living animal is respect for living things.
The obligation to create a fair judiciary.

[sleepy]

Quote: pimple
"According to the Talmud, God gave mankind through Adam and Noah the following 7 laws: .."

Gave the Laws Before or After the Flood?
It is a pity that mankind is little familiar with the Talmud ...

[atash]

What is wrong with the destruction of ethnic hatred? This has always been sought. Internationalism, globalization. This was a strong empire.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

What is wrong with the destruction of ethnic hatred? This has always been sought. Internationalism, globalization. This was a strong empire.

Internationalism and cosmopolitanism are two different things.

[fisherman]

It turns out that the ultimate goal of Christianity as a religion is the destruction of all nationalities and their replacement with a single status of self-identification - a Christian.

Well, in order to find out who actually suffers from schizophrenia, it remains to declare responsibly that it is this teaching that contributes to the split :))

Thank you, with great pleasure I read you :)

[folds]

and if you read the statistics on the distribution of denominations:
"According to a sociological survey conducted in August 2012 in 79 of 83 constituent entities of the Russian Federation, the religiosity of Russians, whose total number is 143,2 million people, was distributed as follows: [9] [10]

58,8 million or 41% - Orthodox believers
9,4 million or 6,5% - Muslims (including Sunnis, Shiites, and mostly not belonging to a particular Muslim denomination)
5,9 million or 4,1% - Christians who do not belong to a particular denomination
2,1 million or 1,4% - other Orthodox (including parishioners of the Georgian, Serbian, Armenian apostolic and other churches)
1,7 million or 1,1% are followers of Tengrianism (Turkish-Mongolian ruen shamanistic religions and new religious movements) or neopaganism (including Rodnoverie, Ural and Caucasian neopaganism)
700 or 000% - Buddhism (mainly Tibetan)
400 or 000% - Old Believers
300 or 000% - Protestants
140 - Indians and Hare Krishnas
140 - Catholics
140 - Jews
18 - Baha'is (in 990) [2005]
36 million or 25,1% - “spiritual, but not religious”
18 million or 12.9% - non-religious (English) and atheists "
and apply this statistic to the quote from the article "RUSSIA IS A CHURCH. RUSSIAN IS A CHRISTIAN." - where to put 70 million people, so that we do not interfere with your life here?

[vadimN]

Quote: GG2012

Straight ... everything is clear in accordance with the Epistle of the Apostle Paul - to the Haths (chap. 3, v. 27-28): “All of you who were baptized into Christ are clothed in Christ. There is no longer Judea, nor a Gentile; no slave, nor free; there is no male or female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. "

So, it turns out, where Europe with its gay tolerance is heading - right along the path indicated by the Apostle Paul: "there is no male, no female ..."

[Vadivak]

Quote: GG2012

The church is going to seize power in the state and rule the country authoritarianly.

6 Apostolic rule - Bishop, or presbyter, or deacon, but does not accept worldly cares. Otherwise, let it be cast out from the holy rite.

[Vadivak]

Quote: GG2012

Excuse me ... but you are so romantic ... naive ...
Show me which pop complies with these rules?

I'm sorry. Open the orthodox church calendar.

Quote: GG2012

Now count the priests who have the status of deputies of all levels.

Ukrainian? There are no such priests among my acquaintances. And I will not consider such priests according to the same rules



Oh fog appeared with its minuses

[GG2012]

Quote: Vadivak

Ukrainian?

I live in the central part of Ukraine, so almost all churches here are the Moscow Patriarchate.

And now, a colleague, especially for you ... look at the official website of the Russian Orthodox Church: http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/2507811.html

We read there Magazine No. 93 ... Oh! miracle! and what do we see ??? !!! We see how points 1,2,3 contradict points 4 and 5.
Those. if for a simple reason, it’s impossible for priests to be deputies (paragraphs 1,2,3), but if you really need it, then you can (paragraphs 4,5).

The hypocrisy of Christianity found itself in this moment.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: GG2012

Those. if for a simple reason, it’s impossible for priests to be deputies (paragraphs 1,2,3), but if you really need it, then you can (paragraphs 4,5).

The hypocrisy of Christianity found itself in this moment.

Hypocrisy (Matt. VII, 5-1) - a sin against the second commandment, which consists in the outward acts of piety, as for example. fasting and strict observation of rituals are used to gain the respect of the people, not thinking about the internal correction of their hearts.

And how does this exceptional case, aimed at protecting the Church, stipulated in paragraph 4, relate to your illiterate epithet addressed to the Church, Mr. "EzalEzhny"?

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

Oh fog appeared with its minuses

Not right, minus you. I'm with my arguments! Greetings!

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

I see a little, because I have access to my post Today, 20:39 ↑, in a discussion with GG2012 Against For TUMAN GreatRussia, it’s not good to lie Oleg is especially impressed by the little things

You become like a novel! Exposing for public display who and how to vote. Please tell me, haven't you minus me? Or is it such a move?

[Vadivak]

Quote: TUMAN

Exposing for public display who and how to vote.

Well, I won’t be anymore, and you promise not to lie and write Romanov with a capital letter

Quote: TUMAN

Please tell me, haven't you minus me?

Do not minus and will not be minus

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

Well, I won’t be anymore, and you promise not to lie

You use your position as a moderator, and play unfairly, trying to put me in the right light for you.

Quote: Vadivak

Do not minus and will not be minus

This somehow does not fit, I do not understand the reason for the reproach, for this purpose a vote was created to vote, and vote as I want. Voting on this site is closed, if it were open, then we could discuss who votes and how. And you, like Mr. Romanov, using your position, put it on display! And also dare to reproach, it’s not good, oh how not a well respected MODERATOR !!!

[Vadivak]

Quote: TUMAN

You use your position as a moderator, and play unfairly, trying to put me in the right light for you.

You yourself put Oleg, removed the topic

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

You yourself put Oleg, removed the topic

No, I wonder, the moderators seem to have a special situation, and permissiveness. And when the moderator’s arguments end, then op .. and such a move. A trifle ... but nice. There is one more permissive, he calls himself a professor, you seem to have become like him.

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

and write Romanov with a capital letter

Why? novels writes "novels" with a little one. Why should I write big?

[Apollo]

Quote: TUMAN

Please tell me, haven't you minus me? Or is it such a move?

Oleg! Good evening. Vadim didn’t minus you, who ... but I can’t tell you this, it’s like a confession. You understand incognito. Do you still have questions about moderation.?!

[TUMAN]

Quote: Apollon

Vadim didn’t minus you, who ... but I can’t tell you this, it’s like a confession. You understand incognito. Do you still have questions about moderation.?!

And good evening to you! I did not raise this question; it was raised by Vadim! He put on a general show how I voted, and since you say that it is incognito, Vadim violated the rules of the moderator, and therefore I want him to apologize! Otherwise, I reserve the right to write a complaint to the administrator about it. What I have never done, and I do not want to do, it just becomes a system. And yet, Mr. Alexander Romanov often suffers from this, and I think it’s time to stop this practice, these gentlemen! Nothing personal, since I have to follow the rules, then the moderators too!

[Apollo]

Quote: TUMAN

I did not raise this question,

Not a fan of giving advice, I just think that it is better to solve personal issues in PM and not put on public display. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is my purely personal opinion.

[GG2012]

Quote: Apollon

Not a fan of giving advice,

I don’t want to look like a flatterer ... but, as they say, ... sorry for the truth:
Ascetic, Kaa and Apollo are some of the best Moderators for correctness to forum users and compliance with site rules, ... this is from my subjective point of view.
Sorry, who did not name!

About A. Romanov - ... either bad or nothing!

[Apollo]

Quote: GG2012

I do not want....

On the forum, no, good or bad moderators. Each of us performs, as far as we can and our abilities, assigned to him by him, the duties of a moderator.


PS So just in case I’ll add, nobody will succeed in driving a wedge into the ranks of moderators.

[Vadivak]

Quote: TUMAN

He put on a general show how I voted,

I caught you in a lie, stop crying already

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

I caught you in a lie, stop crying already

What lies are you talking about? You, the moderator who violated the rules of the site, have now cleverly deleted your post, and you are accusing me of something. Yeah! And this person talks about faith, love for one's neighbor, and reads the Bible. Did Christianity teach you to do this?

[Vadivak]

Quote: TUMAN

Vadim violated the rules of the moderator, and therefore I want him to apologize! Otherwise, I reserve the right to write a complaint to the administrator about it.

Crying Yaroslavna, you did not serve in the army, I see why you need a military review?

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

Crying Yaroslavna, you did not serve in the army, I see why you need a military review?

At first you touched me, and now just cause a condescending smile. At the moment, you, like a naughty cat, make an innocent face, blame others for it, and at the same time wonder at the sour cream that has disappeared!
I heard from you laudatory odes to the "guys" from Israel. Lie and blame others. Have you learned from them?

[Yarosvet]

Quote: GG2012

Even in my region, I regularly see the local GlavPop at the governor and the measure of the city.
Do you know why?

In the Omsk region, the head of the district built a church instead of housing:

http://rusplt.ru/news/news_9750.html

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Vadivak

6 Apostolic rule - Bishop, or presbyter, or deacon, but does not accept worldly cares. Otherwise, let it be cast out from the holy rite.

Mr. Gundyaev receives a golden apple symbolizing the power as a gift from the rabbi.
Mr. Putin is celebrating Hanukkah.
Then these gentlemen continue the activities of "good Christians", there are services, etc.
And on the apostolic rules, in particular on 70-e, and they, and the clergy, and the bulk of people who call themselves Christians - wanted to spit.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Yarosvet

And the apostolic rules, in particular the 70s, and they, and the clergy, and the bulk of people who call themselves Christians - wanted to spit.

You said yourself calling

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Vadivak

You said yourself calling

Maybe so, but I have not heard that the rest advocated for the implementation of the 70th rule with regard to the indicated persons.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Yarosvet

Maybe so, but I have not heard that the rest advocated for the implementation of the 70th rule with regard to the indicated persons.

What bothers you that the apple in the Bible symbolizes the fall of Adam? But the Bible does not say anywhere what exactly Adam and Eve ate.

In Judaism, the apple is a symbol of well-being and during the New Year's meal, Jews eat the apple, dipping in honey, to ensure well-being in the new year.

This is not a religious symbol, but New Year's.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Vadivak

This is not a religious symbol, but New Year's.

The fact that the Bible does not say about the apple does not change things - the apple is a symbol fixed in the mind. In your opinion is this a New Year's gift? Oh well.

And the pagan rituals held together with the Vancouver Indians are apparently not rituals - they simply cut down the light unsuccessfully, hence the candle. And the book is to kill a fly on the back of a guy’s head.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Yarosvet

And the pagan rituals held together with the Vancouver Indians are apparently not rituals - they simply cut down the light unsuccessfully, hence the candle. laughing

What does this follow from? There are no pagan attributes in the photo.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: GreatRussia

What does this follow from? There are no pagan attributes in the photo.

Quote: Spade

Why pagan? Among the Indians there, Orthodoxy is a fairly common religion. Like in Alaska.

Google to the rescue.

[Lopatov]

Do you think that Google will cancel the presence of the "Russian-American Company", which actively planted Orthodoxy among the Indians? Including Fort Ross, from which there is nothing to Vancouver

[Lopatov]

Why pagan? Among the Indians there, Orthodoxy is a fairly common religion. Like in Alaska.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Spade

Throw in the search engine the topic: "The Fifth Sergian Patriarch. Photo archive"

[Vadivak]

Quote: Yarosvet

apple symbol pinned in the mind.

Who is fixed? And who? You already decide, write directly an apple I have a symbol, and it will be clear to everyone what you believe

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Vadivak

Who is fixed? And who? You already decide, write directly an apple I have a symbol, and it will be clear to everyone what you believe

Perhaps you need to decide on this and put your thoughts on the shelves.
First you ask a question in the outline of which you yourself claim that the apple is a symbol:

Quote: Vadivak

What bothers you that the apple in the Bible symbolizes the fall of Adam?

Now trying to prove the opposite.

PS If you want to find out who has this symbol, ask the people about what kind of fruit was the cause of the "fall." 99% will answer that it is an apple.

[GG2012]

Quote: Vadivak

What bothers you that the apple in the Bible symbolizes the fall of Adam?

Quote: Vadivak

In Judaism, the apple is a symbol of prosperity

Here ... here ... and these Jewish traditions are called our original Russian religion ...
Pound it! And what is Russian, Orthodox ??? ... because everything is Jewish !!!

[Vadivak]

Quote: GG2012

Here ... here ... and these Jewish traditions are called our original Russian religion ...

I think brings you, well, gave the apple that he gave him the Talmud? What do you breed national hatred? You can’t do this, it’s punishable by criminal law

[evfrat]

So neither the Talmud nor the Bible took up what he ... about comparing Catholicism with Orthodoxy, and the Russian Orthodox tradition with the Greek generally can not speak.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Yarosvet

Mr. Gundyaev receives a golden apple symbolizing the power as a gift from the rabbi.

And the apostolic rules, in particular the 70s, and they, and the clergy, and the bulk of people who call themselves Christians - wanted to spit.

Bullshit.
Power (or sovereign apple) in Russian Christian tradition symbolizes the Kingdom of Heaven and, often, in medieval painting and icon painting of Jesus Christ or God the Father, it was customary to portray with a power.

Did you read the rule yourself?


70. If someone, a bishop, or a presbyter, or a deacon, or from the clergy list at all, fasts with the Jews, or celebrates with them, or accepts from them the gifts of their holidays, such as unleavened bread, or something like that: let it be cast out. If a layman: let him be excommunicated.


Do you think that a sovereign apple is a symbol of the Jewish rite, compare matzo, etc., and not Christian tradition?

[Yarosvet]

Quote: GreatRussia

Bullshit.

1 You are self-critical, and you are right in your self-criticism: a power symbolizes power in relation to the material world.

2 In addition to power, this apple symbolizes the MOST apple, as well as the power of the Khazar Khaganate.

3 So, in your commentary, Mr. Putin modestly went around the topic of the Hanukkah celebration?

[fisherman]

horror, what horror ...

and this same Putin and other religious holidays celebrated, is it really a betrayal of the Russian people? :))

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

and this same Putin and other religious holidays celebrated, is it really a betrayal of the Russian people? :))

Nope - this, in accordance with the official representations of Christians, is a betrayal of faith, and therefore should be punished in accordance with the 70th rule of the apostles.
Only here they forgot to apply the rule.

[fisherman]

horror, what horror ...

that is, in your opinion, is his face not religious, but religious? :))

"who thinks clearly - he clearly expresses" (Boileau)

can not answer :)

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

can not answer

Well what are you - I will answer with pleasure!

"who thinks clearly - he clearly expresses" (Boileau)

Golden words!

that is, in your opinion, his face is not secular, but religious?

The 70th rule ends like this: "... If layman: be excommunicated "

Fisherman, change glasses, go to a neurologist - it won’t hurt.

[fisherman]

horror, what horror ...

what does my glasses have to do with or your relationship with a neurologist? :)

Finally, give the ROC the right to determine its own attitude towards this or that "prince" (or "layman", as you said)

as I understand it, you are also afraid of a possible excommunication from the internal church life and other figures of secular power, for example, workers of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs?

yes, I understand you :)

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

Oh no, dear: if the Russian Orthodox Church crawls into all the cracks and gives itself the truth in the last resort, then let it go, it’s not a gag, but it deigns to comply with its own rules.

[fisherman]

oh no, respected intellectual, "all power is from God" ...

I understand, slipped past attention :)

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

"all power is from God" ...

Ento where it is written - in the bible? Well, let’s let the bible go and it’s appropriate: stop letting your fathers call their workers (Matthew 23: 7-9), stop going to procession of the crosses and showing them on the box (Matthew 6: 5-8), let go of the behi and meren to the domestic auto industry , and better on donkeys.

And let him finally engage in self-purification from pederasty and pedofelia. Then it will be possible to talk about God.

[fisherman]

-to the gospel ...

- why should they? They are not Catholics, nope well, if they suddenly, like respectable European Jesuits, begin to declare that they are "holier than all the saints", then even I will become a Bolshevik :) in the sense that I will not look for my own log, but carefully seek out exclusively " other people's dragons ":) I'll start, of course, with priests, well, since they are not a" cut of society "(parish), but represent incredibly saints :)

Thank you for switching to agitation and sloganism, I felt the atmosphere of the Communist Congress, I was glad :)

[evfrat]

the main thing is that Puten is here ... he’s all ...

[evfrat]

he does not know what taldychit is about.

[fisherman]

here the Church is to blame for all sins, but in the article "Izborsky ..." all the enemies of the Fatherland were named, but the ROC has disappeared somewhere :))) I hope I just forgot, of course, comrades more experienced in the class struggle will correct him , and he will vote not for the "2nd, but for the 3rd International :)

just kidding, of course :)

[AntonR7]

The article is too chaotic, boring, but the question needs to be raised. Now the word Russian, especially in the national republics, if not abusive, is as if awkward. The word Russian is replaced by Russian, it seems to me that the pride of belonging to this great nation, Russian, is being washed out of Russian consciousness.

[TUMAN]

Quote: AntonR7

The word Russian is replaced by Russian, it seems to me that the pride of belonging to this great nation, Russian, is being washed out of Russian consciousness.

Russia and Russians are in the Judeo-Christian manner. But Russia and Rusichi is our native, native!
Russia is a bright, pure, land sanctified by Gods. Hence, God's Russia and Holy Russia.

[Vadivak]

Quote: TUMAN

But Russia and Rusichi is our native, native!

I agree - Rusyns (later Rusichs) are your original Ukrainian, in the USSR, Rusyns were considered as an ethnographic group of Ukrainians, modern Rusyns inhabit the western part of Transcarpathian region of Ukraine. A Russian common name for the Slavic tribes from the Black Sea to the Baltic

[evfrat]

No no. They now have ancient UKRs, descended from dill to the flood.

[evfrat]

Have you embroidered an embroidery?

[pamero]

They came to Us with a sword, and what to expect? Climbed to Us in our "monastery with its own charter" out in the constitution says Article 15.p4 international law is the most important thing in our country? How to understand this? We must return to the foundations of our Russian life. There is some truth in the article.

[fisherman]

from another forum:

"

since human civilization stands on the Old Testament "eye for an eye" then it doesn't matter if you match this era :)

Oh well, also if you manage to spread your Christian love (as self-sacrifice, as "turning the other cheek" as free help to your neighbor, as simple and not requiring much effort to empathize) to your nearest and dearest ...

About t and h n about if you manage to spread It on any counter-cross in your everyday life ...

and, in my opinion, it’s simple And interesting - if you can embrace the whole world with Christian love - as it was possible, for example, to the Nobel laureate - Mother Teresa ...

I in no way require you to become a holy person (Dostoevsky Idiot ... or, as they say now, a sucker), because least of all I want to be like those modern Bolsheviks who have a very developed ability to supervise "other people's dragons" :) I just want to say that the time for the "turn the other cheek" paradigm has not yet come ... and therefore it is simply dangerous to live and love like that ... but you can always be a very good person ...

Always ask the truth from the people ... and not from the priest or the parishioner dancing ... and everything in your mind will be orderly ... success ...


smiling child - a humble budgie specialist :)

"

[individual]

This morning I turned on the radio "Russian News Service" he captured part of the radio program, where, to my amazement, he heard the program hosts L. Gozman.
He put to the vote an incorrectly posed question: "Is a mother, a father ready to send his son to die for the interests of the Motherland?"
He himself opposed his position.
What was mine satisfaction, when 67 percent of radio listeners spoke out BEHIND.
I would like to hear the comment of the cosmopolitan, but the transfer is over.
Patriots spoke for the defense of the MOTHERLAND.

[vadimN]

Quote: individ

What was my satisfaction when 67 percent of listeners voted FOR.

To see the expression on the face of this Gozman when the result was 67%. He then, along with his masters, thought that he had already achieved his goal - to turn the Russian people into a bldg consuming cola and stupid spectacles ... But no, more work needs to be done ...

[sprocket2008]

Bust with religion ... and specific ...

[kavkaz8888]

After Vladimir (a Jew by his mother) baptized Russia, NIGHT SWAROG began. An interesting coincidence, huh? And now priests are trading candles and rituals. Clean comrades.

[Seraph]

Wow! How's that !? Not a single historian (Ilovaisky, Tatishchev, Danilevsky) who studied that era has any mention that Malusha was Jewish, and 8888 has this information. Perhaps the seance opened?

[GG2012]

Quote: Seraphim

Wow! How's that !? Not a single historian who studied that era has a single mention,

I read from historians that one domestic servant named Migdal cheated on her husband Joseph with the Roman legionary Panderus.
From this extramarital affair, a boy was born ...
And another book says it was an immaculate conception ...
How to be ... I don’t know straight!

[Vadivak]

Quote: GG2012

I read from historians that one domestic servant named Migdal,

Talmud revered Slav?

[GG2012]

Quote: Vadivak

Talmud revered Slav?

Jerusalem, as well as the Old and New Testaments ...

An inconvenient desire to find the truth is more important than a comfortable lie.

[Vadivak]

Quote: GG2012

Jerusalem, as well as the Old and New Testaments ...

do not distort, your version from the Talmud its pagan Cels relished

[Pimply]

So did you read it? And in the know, what is the Talmud?

[fisherman]

doesn't know what to do now :)

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

Talmud revered Slav?

You wrote to me that you read the Bible. The Bible is part of the Torah, so you work here.

[Vadivak]

Quote: TUMAN

The Bible is part of the Torah, so you work here.

The Torah is part of the Old Testament (Pentateuch), however it’s excusable to you, but the Talmud is a completely different collection of legal and religious ethical provisions of Judaism - how to behave a believing Jew or that is, a Jew

[Pimply]

The Torah is part of the Bible, not the other way around. More specifically - the Pentateuch Moiseevo. TaNaH - Torah, Neviim, Ktuvim - Pentateuch, Prophets, Scriptures. He is the Old Testament. Well, if you are trying to bend your fingers here, you at least know the subject.

[GG2012]

Quote: Pimply

The Torah is part of the Bible, not the other way around.

Bubbly! You just touched Vidivak’s religious feelings because he believes in what he wrote.
Get ready, now return to ober-leyntnanty ...
And then, you are like Batman ... in a couple of nights from a lieutenant lieutenant colonel to startanuli ...
This foreshak was overdue ... or did vigorous peas come across?

[Pimply]

And where did I offend his religious beliefs? He says everything correctly, and clearly knows what is part of what. When the Bible is called part of the Torah - and not vice versa - it is banal illiteracy.

No, just a few ardent minus-minors went to the ban

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

Talmud revered Slav?

This distinguishes a sober-minded person from a dependent person, in your case, from a Judeo-Christianist. A free man is free to read whatever he wants, and limp, Christian, only what the priests say.
Slave - overshadowed (Ra) trouble (b) Slave - the distinction, separation (p) of a person (a) from the Divine (b) created (b). This is a man, deprived of will, slave, serf; a person converted into the property of another, consisting in his complete power.
The servant of God is the servant of Yahweh. "Servant of God" is a concept introduced to the Slavs since the time of Christianization. Christians believe that being a "servant of God" is an honor. This is nonsense, because slaves (slaves) were not among the Slavs. They called themselves the descendants of the Gods. The whitening of the concept of "servant of God" runs counter to Christ's commandment to prefer friends over slaves. However, there is no "friend of God" in Christian literature, but it is full of "slaves of God".
Slavishness - the system of education of slaves, as well as the behavior of a slave: slavish humiliation, groveling, cringing.

[Vadivak]

Quote: TUMAN

A free man is free to read whatever he wants, and

And then after reading all that he wanted, for example, Mine Kampf, to make his choice

Quote: TUMAN

God's servant is the servant of Yahweh.

A slave is a worker. Just don't bother

[TUMAN]

Quote: Vadivak

A slave is a worker. Just don't bother

For you, personally!
Work is an activity inherent in slaves, devoid of will and not being the owners of the fruits of their activities. Since ancient times, the Slavic-Aryans did not work, but worked for the good of the family, for the glory of the Progenitor, their Gods and Ancestors. In the old days, it was written `` rab tati '', that is, the slave of a thief, bandit, rabbi. To work, to hamper - to fulfill someone else's will, to be in slavery, to serve someone, for someone.

[Vadivak]

Quote: TUMAN

In the old days it was written `` work tati ''

The word came to the Old Slavonic language from the Indo-European language, in which the root orbhos had the meaning "corvée, work for someone."

In this case, working for God, and Zadornov will be enough

[fisherman]

did not work, but worked

not bad, not bad :))

not for nothing that the main property of human intelligence is speculation (speculativeness)

[GG2012]

Quote: fisherman

not bad, not bad :))

according to the content of comments ... You look like Eshkin Cat ... in a new hairless reincarnation ... like sphinxes ... No? Did not guess?

[fisherman]

the child is the slave of the father ...

favorite

[TUMAN]

Quote: fisherman

the child is the slave of the father ...

Re - return, repetition, reflection.
The child is a repeat of the Gods.
The parent is "kind and body", ie. a representative of the genus who gave the body for procreation.

[fisherman]

not bad, not bad at all :)

it is possible that the following wording will be more practical and useful for you:

"children are God's fairest answer to all parents' questions"

just don’t think that I insist, no, no, let the peremptory sectarians sin with this, of which we have a lot here :)

[TUMAN]

Quote: fisherman

not bad, not bad at all :)

This phrase seems like your hobby. We have a Jew on the forum, He calls himself with a Pimp, so he inserts the number eight, just like you put your own phrase. Hence the question: Are you from one kagala?
PS
Kagal (kahal, Hebrew קָהָל - assembly of people, gathering) is a body of community self-government, which headed the separate Jewish community in the Diaspora and was an intermediary between it and the state, in the broad sense of the word, the community of Jews.

[fisherman]

for me, the difference between Old and New is the root and the key, because I am a Russian officer, you understand me, not Jewish, not Polish, but Russian ...

when I find you have high intelligence or pathos, I will definitely pay attention to you ...

[GG2012]

Quote: fisherman

for me the difference between Old and New is the root and the key,

I apologize wildly for interfering in your conversation ... but "vague doubts began to torment me" ... have you read the books you named?
Are you ready to join the discussion ... and show off your "high intelligence and pathos"?
Ready to prove that Jewish mythology and the status of the Russian Officer have an equal sign?
Get ready, let me know!
Consider it an intellectual duel challenge!
And believe me ... I’m a patriot of the Russian Empire ... no less than yours, but I can’t stand the Jewish obscurantism.

[fisherman]

Jewish mythology and the status of the Russian Officer have an equal sign?

an interesting thesis, it feels like you have a "very complex brain architecture" :)

even very complicated ...

look for the answer in the word: "self-sacrifice" ...

in the same word you will find the key difference between Old and New ...

lately in Runet it is customary to joke as follows: - and if you want to discuss with me, then I remind you "address for correspondence": - "who thinks clearly - he clearly expounds" :)

everything is already in the comments, just don’t be too lazy and figure it out ...

[Pimply]

Damn it. But the peasants didn’t know ... G-Lord, how many different fools you have gathered, my friend, and you haven’t taught anything systematically.

[GG2012]

Quote: Pimply

G-lord, how much you, my friend, have collected various foolish things - and did not teach anything systematically.

Come on! Start learning to live!
I will take notes!

[Vadivak]

Quote: Pimply

G-lord, how much you, my friend, have collected various foolish things - and did not teach anything systematically.

You can’t say better

Quote: GG2012

And believe me ... I’m a patriot of the Russian Empire ... no less than yours, but I can’t stand the Jewish obscurantism.

You are not obscurantism you hate the Jews, which is characteristic

[TUMAN]

Quote: Pimply

Damn it. But the men didn’t know

Judging by the photos on your blog, you don’t belong to them!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: GG2012

I read from historians that one domestic servant named Migdal cheated on her husband Joseph with the Roman legionary Panderus.
From this extramarital affair, a boy was born ...
And another book says it was an immaculate conception ...
How to be ... I don’t know straight!

5 points

Here's what's interesting: Malusha, she is Malka.
We hammer in the search engine and get: Malka Tsentsiper, Malka Korets, Malka Immerwar, Malka Rosenthal, etc.

[atash]

And why is this "Migdal" so similar to Magdalena, and not to Maria? Maybe you are slipping a fake, the writer of which confuses such things because of atheistic ignorance?

[Metlik]

The Russian idea is unity. The Russians fought among themselves for a thousand years, sold each other into slavery, called on themselves to help enemies from abroad destroy Russia.
But in order to understand that unity means freedom, it took 300 years of the Mongol yoke.
We are now in the bondage of the ideology of consumerism. But there are still many true Russian patriots who are not sold for money. To unite them is the Russian idea.
PS
It is a pity that a party of the same name is essentially a profanation of the idea of ​​unity.

[vadimN]

Quote: Metlik

The Russians fought among themselves for a thousand years, sold each other into slavery, called on themselves to help enemies from abroad destroy Russia.

Where did you get such historical knowledge? Apparently, from the official historians of Elizabethan times, when all sorts of Millers and other "enlightened" Germans wrote the "history" of Russia for the sake of "civilized" Europe ...

[Metlik]

Did the Civil War in 1918 come up with Miller? The uprising of Razin, Pugachev, troubled times is that fiction?

[a.hamster55]

"... and there are people, the flock of the Heavenly Shepherd. And among them there are Warriors who stand on the stand. But if someone says:" They rise above people, so they will be wrong, for Warriors are people, but they stand apart. And not everyone with weapons, there is a Warrior. "

[ia-ai00]

domokl EN
It was not with prayer but with the sword that Alexander Nevsky drove out what remained of both the Swedes and the Germans from the Russian land. Not with prayer but with the sword drove Kutuzov ...

I think both SWORD and PRAYER! Almost everyone who went on the attack with exclamations "For the Motherland", "For Stalin", both party and non-party, before the battle, three times FASHIONED THEMSELVES THE CROSS, Father, the veteran of the Second World War told.

[bubla5]

I always thought and think true businessman-patriots in Russia, who organized their companies and work ended in the 90s, who were their own partners, someone came under the press of crime, but mainly from the authorities, and those greedy for dough continue to work

[a.hamster55]

But in the city of Udomlya, Tver Region, on 7 on June, a DAY OF RUSSIAN Wrath will take place against arrogant nokhchi.
And what is this dark-skinned pulls to a nuclear power plant? The guys are going from St. Petersburg, Moscow, Tver,
Rzhev and ...

[dredging]

You don’t have to gather against someone, but just start respecting each other. Now those who come to Udomlya will fight against people who respect each other. And this garbage will have no end and edge with varying success. But the past says one thing for now, Russians respected each other, aliens behaved quietly, even the personal protection of the king, which consisted of dzhigits.

[Corsair5912]

Rusichs are Christians, therefore not everyone born in Russia is Russian. This name belongs only to Christians. Like not everyone who is baptized is a Christian, and not everyone who wears a cassock (dignity) is a shepherd to the sheep of Christ.

For many millennia, Rusichs were pagans, this is our original natural faith, they are also our ancestors, whom we must honor and preserve their memory.
The great Russian prince Svyatoslav Igorevich the Brave was a pagan, but it was he who destroyed the nest of parasites in 965 - Khazaria.
His son Vladimir the Apostate betrayed the faith of his father, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, after the damned baptism, Russia fell into 250 small principalities and became the prey of foreign invaders.
It took 700 years for Russia to return the lands conquered by Svyatoslav. Millions of killed and sold into slavery Russia paid for the conversion to Christianity.
Where are they Christian pastors patriots? Wherever you look all the traders and sodomites.
Read the article by Archbishop S. Zhuravlev "The Russian Orthodox Church and Homosexuality" http://bolshoyforum.org/forum/index.php?page=331

[fisherman]

Relight and Oslabya

[GG2012]

Quote: Corsair5912

The great Russian prince Svyatoslav Igorevich the Brave was a pagan, but it was he who destroyed the nest of parasites in 965 - Khazaria.
His son Vladimir the Apostate betrayed the faith of his father, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, after the damned baptism, Russia fell into 250 small principalities and became the prey of foreign invaders.

I support! 100% ... you are a big plus!

[DeerIvanovich]

do not become like the church: do not call our ancestors - Slavs pagans. Slavs were Orthodox, this church called them pagans, in fact, not being Orthodox, but Orthodox

[Seraph]

Neopagans, evil spawn of hell

[GG2012]

Quote: Seraphim

Neopagans, evil spawn of hell

Select expression! ... Judging You are ours!

[GreatRussia]

Quote: GG2012

Select expression! ...

I.P. Rusanova, B.A. Timoshchuk. Zbruch Sanctuary (preliminary announcement). // Soviet archeology, 1986, No. 4, p. 90-99.
Zbruch Sanctuary
In extinctions 4 and 6 are human remains. Their location is clearly of some kind of magical character and this is clearly not an ordinary pagan cemetery.
http://www.russiancity.ru/hbooks/h036.htm

[Yarosvet]

Quote: GreatRussia

In extinctions 4 and 6 are human remains. Their location is clearly of some kind of magical character and this is clearly not an ordinary pagan cemetery

What follows from this?

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Yarosvet

What follows from this?

You should open and read the second image on page 132.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: GreatRussia

You should open and read the second image on page 132.

I read - what follows from this? That the pagans were bad and made human sacrifices?
Yes it was. And the Inquisition was, and the Old Believers were burned, and people were eaten ("Christianity and ergot" read).

The difference is that in the sane part of humanity this is left in the past, and Christians still carry exhibits of human dismemberment around the world.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Yarosvet

And the Inquisition was, and the Old Believers burned

They burned the top that incited the population of Russia to the sin of suicide (self-immolation), while remaining on the sidelines.
So that doesn’t.

3. Which by the charm of their commoners and their wives and children led them to burn themselves: and such thieves, wanted, for their theft, because of their charms people were burned, burn themselves.

The difference is that in the sane part of humanity this is left in the past, and Christians still carry exhibits of human dismemberment around the world.

With such a "progressive worldview", in no case say goodbye to the dead, do not kiss corpses, do not visit cemeteries with corpses, or go to the Mausoleum, etc.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: GreatRussia

With such a "progressive worldview", in no case say goodbye to the dead, do not kiss corpses, do not visit cemeteries with corpses, or go to the Mausoleum, etc.

Oh la la, what happened to your worldview, if you put on a par with farewell to a deceased relative and care for the burial place, and hysterical delight at the contemplation and kissing of a box with half-decomposed human limbs?

As for incinerations, etc. - there is a code of punishment, there is evidence of the brutal destruction of pagans and "heresies", the destruction of everything that does not correspond to the unsubstantiated dogma of the church.
The problem is not that it was - the problem is that they dream of returning to this.

And by the way: when someone does everything to break the existing law and thereby voluntarily sacrifice himself - this is, de facto, also suicide.

[fisherman]

it is, de facto, also suicide.

I'm sorry to interrupt, but you forgot to mention smokers, drug addicts, alcoholics, and have a number of them (donating a kidney, for example) whom you have not yet convicted (so busy that you only manage to chase priests :) of this mortal sin :)))

digress from your highly spiritual struggle for a couple of hours ...

but then I’ll definitely be there, suddenly you came up with a new weapon with EVIL :)

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

I'm sorry to interrupt, but you forgot to mention smokers, drug addicts, alcoholics, and have a number of them (donating a kidney, for example) whom you have not yet convicted (so busy that you only manage to chase priests :) of this mortal sin :)))

Nifiga - Your statement is true only in relation to hard drugs, and then in part: potential drug addicts are "processed", "planted", supplied - this is more murder.
And with regard to alcohol and tobacco, the important line is determined by the compensatory abilities of the body: beyond this line, consumption becomes suicide, before it passes - no.
As for the kidney - complete nonsense.

[fisherman]

Well, yes, complete nonsense, you think, he died two months later, not immediately ...

[Yarosvet]

So peremptorily, without options?
And where does so many fools ready to help their neighbor come from?
Fisherman, what are you smoking?

[fisherman]

so after all, the options here are determined only by you, you are our authoritarian, and you will also determine the time period (face, or measure, or degree), even I already understood it :)

about suckers, everything is more complicated, as I understand it, they are less and less, the trend is this

(of course, from the side of our Western comrades there are still calls to us that it’s not time for you, Russians, to live according to the laws of Christ; tea :))) now we also want to live by the laws of cunning comrades :)

therefore, life on planet Earth in the next decade will be more interesting and interesting :)

[atash]

I read, there weren’t any self-immolations. Peter pursued the schismatics in a fascist way. Guardsmen drove people into log cabins and burned. Peter also came up with the idea that the schismatics should wear yellow signs on their backs. Then the fascists used it on the Jews.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

I read, there weren’t any self-immolations. Peter pursued the schismatics in a fascist way. Guardsmen drove people into log cabins and burned. Peter also came up with the idea that the schismatics should wear yellow signs on their backs. Then the fascists used it on the Jews.

Probably both options occurred.

[Seraph]

admit that you are a practicing Jew! This is a Jewish tradition: blaming the opponent for the opposite in order to confuse all his arguments. Speak Yiddish, swearing dirty at Christianity, hiding behind pseudo-patriotism. Etc. Are you a habadnik? Everyone will understand. There are no anti-Semites here (in accordance with the rules of the site)

[Yarosvet]

How much bad is the Jews doing! Did not know.

How do you know what the Jews are doing ?! And, of course, how is it in Israel?

[Vadivak]

Quote: Corsair5912

this is our original natural faith,

It is natural.

Quote: Corsair5912

Where are they Christian pastors patriots?

Priests awarded the Order of St. George 4 degrees.

1. The priest of the 11th East Siberian Rifle Regiment Stefan Shcherbakovsky in consideration of the valiant feat of courage and fearlessness, committed by him in the Tyurenchensky battle.

II.
Priests, awarded - a pectoral golden cross from the Cabinet of His Imperial Majesty on the St. George ribbon and orders of St. Vladimir with swords and st. Anne with swords.

2. Priest of the 5th East Siberian Rifle Regiment Vasily Slyunin according to extract from the award sheet. - During the fighting on the western front of Port Arthur, filled with a desire to serve the homeland, he visited the trenches, where he warned the dying, bandaged the wounded, encouraged them, inspiring them with patience in suffering, and recalled healthy duty and oath to fight the enemy for faith, the Tsar and fatherland. Ignoring the shells tearing around, a swarm of buzzing bullets, he performed the rites of burial of the dead. Knowing the priest Vasily Slyunin during the 7 months of being in the forefront, I had the opportunity to be convinced of his high moral qualities and, moreover, of his courage, courage ... From November 13-23, the priest. V. Slyunin buried under enemy artillery and rifle fire, and also satisfied the religious needs of the wounded of all arms, visiting the 1st and 2nd dressing points. On November 19, during the heavy bombardment and rifle shooting, he served a prayer service, said a fiery speech, and then went from the center of the trenches of the Flat Mountain to the Vysokaya all the trenches, letting the cross kiss, sprinkled St. water and encouraged the tired shooters with a speech. - On November 22, during the most powerful attack, the enemy went to the High Mountain, where he made religious demands and, in addition, due to a lack of paramedics, bandaged the wounded, including Major General Tserpitsky.

3. Archpriest at the disposal of the army commander, John Golubev -
awarded the horde St. Vladimir 4th art. with swords and a pectoral cross from the cabinet of His Imperial Majesty on the St. George ribbon for committing during the battle, for a high example of courage and selflessness.

4. Priest of the 33rd Vost.-Sib. shooter. regiment George Shavelsky -
awarded the horde St. Anne 2nd and 3rd Art. with swords, pectoral golden cross from the cabinet of E.I. Majesties on the St. George ribbon. Extract from the award sheet (on August 17, 18, 1904 near Fansyatun Island under the fire of the enemy, priest G. Shavelsky performed pastoral duties and, being shell-shocked, did not leave the ranks of the regiment).

5. Priest of the 21st East-Sib. shooter. Regiment Nikolay Makarevsky -
horde St. Anne 3rd and 2nd Art. with swords from the Cabinet E.I. Majesties on the St. George ribbon, for joining the battle with the Holy Gifts on June 14 at the Dalin Pass and for selfless work.


Yes, a lot of them, it's just more convenient for you not to notice

[atash]

But the mother of Svyatoslav, Olga, the first baptized Russian man, was not a friend of the Khazars, to put it mildly, on occasion. These Khazars were given to you, in the robberies and sales of slavery, the Russian princes did not lag far behind them, like the other peoples of that time. Common feudal affairs. Their only minus is that they ruled the Jews there, or what?

[ia-ai00]

bubla5 (4) EN
I always thought and I think true patriots-businessmen In Russia, who organized their companies and work ended in the 90s, who had their own companions, someone came under the press of crime, but mainly from the authorities, and these greedy doughs continue to work

I completely agree with you. Those who have walked over the heads of their own and those of others "run the show," these people have no shame, no conscience, no compassion for people. Not only in the 90s, but to this day, each other is being fooled and shot. Stalin would have put things in order long ago!

[dropout]

Years, People, and Peoples
Run away forever
Like flowing water.
In the flexible mirror of nature
Stars are a net, fish are us
Gods are ghosts in darkness.
V. Khlebnikov

[Yarosvet]

Honestly - they have already fallen in love with talk about the Russian idea.

This idea is always on the surface, it is visible to everyone and it changes depending on the situation. Regardless of form, its essence is AVOIDING THE BAD, NEGATIVE, FROM WHAT DOES NOT DISPOSE AND COMING TO A GOOD, POSITIVE REPRESENTING NEED - is it really incomprehensible?

When a horde comes upon us, the victory over the enemy will be the Russian idea.
When a serious disaster happens somewhere, the Russian idea will be to eliminate and minimize its consequences.
The Russian idea is always multi-vector, meets the reality of today and changes with changing conditions, its basis is realism.

All talk about the Russian idea was inspired with the aim of withdrawing from her and her awareness. And now no one notices her and everyone is looking for her, instead of realizing it.

Survived!

[Svyatoslav72]

The title was promising, and the rest of the text was no different from buffoonery and mockery, buffoonery and mockery of logic and reason. Very sorry.

[dredging]

You just need not to swear among themselves, stop pounding cheap show-offs and, if possible, are not afraid to support each other at all. Although the last is the most difficult.

[sashka]

And what is it? I didn’t see politics. Chatter is nothing more ..

[maxcor1974]

The author needs a mental hospital. But what about the fact that one third of Russia's population is Muslim? Moreover, most of them love Russia and serve in its army. A large number of fought in the Second World War, died for their homeland, serves now and will serve in the future. Even in the army of St. Alexander Nevsky there were foreigners (Polovtsy). Russia without Muslims, Buddhists is Russia within the borders of the 13 century. The author is a big minus, this is an attempt to sow ethnic hatred, and ruin the country. Disgusting however ...

[GG2012]

Quote: maxcor1974

The author is a big minus, this is an attempt to sow ethnic hatred, and ruin the country. Vilely however ...

I agree with you!
From all this religious obscurantism, enmity is born between us: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Azerbaijanis, Bashkirs, Tatars, etc. (sorry if I didn’t name anyone ... long list).
And the benefit of this enmity is only for those who invented these religions.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: GG2012

I agree with you!
From all this religious obscurantism, enmity is born between us: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Azerbaijanis, Bashkirs, Tatars, etc. (sorry if I didn’t name anyone ... long list).
And the benefit of this enmity is only for those who invented these religions.

LOBKOV: We will also talk about science, but first say: the Russian Orthodox Church is bad !!!
ALFEROV: No, the Russian Orthodox Church is good. The Russian Orthodox Church is very important for national identity


J.I. Alferov: "I have a very simple and kind attitude towards the Russian Orthodox Church, "because" the Orthodox Church defends the unity of the Slavs. " "Over the past two decades, the Slavic world has suffered huge losses: Yugoslavia was defeated, the great triumvirate of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus ceased to exist. Organically I am an internationalist ... but the Slavs suffered huge losses. I remember how during the war, especially after 1943. , our soldiers went on the attack not so much shouting "for Stalin", but with the words "Forward, Slavs!"

Atheist, academician, communist about the Russian Orthodox Church:

[GG2012]

Quote: GreatRussia

J.I. Alferov: "I have a very simple and kind attitude towards the Russian Orthodox Church."

To date, we can already say that the Nobel laureate Zhores Alferov suffered for his atheistic beliefs.
It is known that the head of the Russian Academy of Sciences elected a true Christian and physicist concurrently Vladimir Fortov.
It was the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church and its proximity to Patriarch Kiril that made it possible to miraculously decide the outcome of the vote.
Fortov scored 55% of the vote and beat the Nobel laureate Zhores Alferov.

http://www.rosbalt.ru/blogs/2013/06/03/1136496.html

[GreatRussia]

Quote: GG2012

To date, we can already say that the Nobel laureate Zhores Alferov suffered for his atheistic beliefs.
It is known that the head of the Russian Academy of Sciences elected a true Christian and physicist concurrently Vladimir Fortov.

What kind of ones? For what the Russian Orthodox Church considers good?
Are you raving?

Quote: GG2012

http://www.rosbalt.ru/blogs/2013/06/03/1136496.html

Rosbalt is a Russophobic, liberal-pro-Western press.
They would be ashamed to spread this crap on a patriotic resource.

Quote: GG2012

It was the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church and its proximity to Patriarch Kiril that made it possible to miraculously decide the outcome of the vote.

I’m not going to comment on this nonsense, sucked from my finger.

[Black]

Quote: GG2012

Fortov scored 55% of the vote and beat the Nobel laureate Zhores Alferov.

You are distorting.
Fortov is not a Nobel laureate, but a prominent scientist and an excellent organizer. And here is the Russian Orthodox Church?

[Yarosvet]

Quote: GreatRussia

ALFEROV: No, the Russian Orthodox Church is good. The Russian Orthodox Church is very important for national identity
J.I. Alferov: "I have a very simple and kind attitude towards the Russian Orthodox Church, "because" the Orthodox Church defends the unity of the Slavs. " "

And after all, he told the truth - he defends unity in slavery under the fifth hell.
How else can a Jew relate to the Russian Orthodox Church?

But the head of the commission to combat pseudoscience, although very subtly, spoke out against the policy pursued by the Russian Orthodox Church: http://evrazia.org/news/26400

[Seraph]

this is not about your brothers?

WITNESS MAGIC!

Magus S. Sinichkin: I can’t be silent - Rodnoverie and homosexuality!

In many Rodnover communities, sexual perverts are still held in high esteem. When in 1988 I told my then spiritual father, the magician I., that I want to enter the Academy of the Magi, he dissuaded me, saying that "there is nothing for a normal person to do there." I could not understand why. That priest did not immediately tell me the truth about such "spiritual" institutions, fearing, apparently, to scare me away from the faith of my ancestors. When he saw that I sincerely did not retreat, wanting to enter the academy, he began to prepare me, introducing me into the course of affairs that were being done there under a beautiful screen. “When you study, do not try to get close to anyone among students or teachers,” the magician instructed me, “but try to stay away. Do not trust anyone, but only if you know a person well - two, then only communicate with them. " Seminarists themselves called some teachers and lecturers at the Academy of Magi not more than colossal pagans. After all, there are even Rodnovers in Russia .. who do not hide their orientation. I'm not talking about photos with group orgies of homosexual Rodnovers.
To my horror, during the time I was a student at the Academy of Magi from 1991 to 1996, I discovered that such vices are not an exception, but the norm.

[sleepy]

From the Internet.
Evidence of corruption and degradation of church organizations.
http://apocalypse-2012.com/miscellaneous/world_orthodoxy.html

"... In 2006, Father Seraphim, without any complexes, directly and openly spoke
about pederasty, pedophilia ... among priests and monks of the whole world,
which cannot be compared with his 2010 performances ... "

[Seraph]

It is fruitless to argue with native believers, neopagans and other occultists. Their weapons: distortion, lies, blatant lies, heaps of lies, cynicism, unprincipledness, insults, etc. All these are their "gods", that is, demons, allow and encourage

[Yarosvet]

Who is Sinichkin? I don’t know (a reference if possible), but A. Khinevich is ours !!!

In general, one gets the feeling that someone especially gifted called Sinichkin Zhuravlev, called the Christians pagans, and now is trying to pass it off at face value.
Not good. It's not Christian.

[sleepy]

You can argue with the Orthodox in different ways.

http://agafa-angel.livejournal.com/65377.html
- a link where you can read the examination materials,
which is called "extremism" that Orthodoxy is the true religion. Distribution of such materials humiliates other religions in the Russian Federation
and is a criminal offense.
Unbelievable, but true: in the Russian Federation for the propaganda of Orthodoxy
you can go to jail as a true religion.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: sleepy

You can argue with the Orthodox in different ways.

This proves once again that in the Russian Federation the law is what draws.

You can be issued retroactively and ring out for the dissemination of nationalist materials at a time when they were not prohibited, or you can ring out like this: http://askepak.livejournal.com/96353.html

[fisherman]

and people’s hairs are of different colors, and dress differently in spite of themselves ...

that's where the vast field for discord :)

[a.hamster55]

Dear dredge! Your actions are respected, or maybe a well-deserved sheep grower with comrades cut and carve a lamb on your landing, and then cook it on the balcony. Do not be a storyteller! There is a CHECHEN PEOPLE and there are impudent sheep-growers. I have never once served a long time
among different nationalities and problems were not.

[a.hamster55]

You can’t even swear if you are supported by riot police in specific gear on the landing.

[dredging]

You’d better come to this Udalm and compete with these Chechens. But it’s always easier to wave axes, right? But our ancestors didn’t die at the time and put a hut in Grozny))) on their land. And they taught us how to trade, build, plow the land. And also take hostages and cut heads.

[nickname 1 and 2]

/////// At the same time, our people were divided into those who are “satisfied with everything” and who “are not satisfied with everything”. The ranks of the former are either “tax collectors” - those who have something with the SLAUGHTERs, or the so-called obsessed — who do not see the passions of their bodies (fornication, drunkenness, vanity, entertainment) and nothing but objects to serve their passions. ///// //

The author would need to understand more thoroughly under THIS issue.
I do not consider myself not the first, not the second (especially).
They didn’t count me! Or they wrote the wrong way! This is offensive even!
And it seems THIS DETAIL IS NOT WHO TAKEN into account! How do you read PEOPLE?

What can a respected author discuss or instruct IF THE AUTHOR DOES NOT KNOW THESE CONTINGENT OF PEOPLE WHO IS APPEALING TO ???????

A, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT IT IS REPAPPED, by Georgy K. - You threw this libel into where you are and it’s awkward WHAT BELIEVERS READ IN YOUR NEWSPAPER!

[kosta7491]

CHRISTIANINE MOVES FROM MEMBERSHIP OF THE CHURCH OF THE MILITARY - EARTH TO MEMBERSHIP OF THE CHURCH OF THE MERRING - HEAVENLY
Interestingly, Jews, Muslims, etc. where they go. In general, the modern church is just another institution to fool the population. The people bring their money to the church, and the priests ride on expensive foreign cars. I read an announcement at the door of the Orthodox church: candles purchased not in our church are not blessed.

[atash]

Quote: CaptainBlack

The church does not go to battle, and never went!

Do you know where the Black Hundred comes from? The monks in their black robes marched into battle in the forefront. And before the battle for Moscow, Stalin, I read here in the comments, freed the priests from the camps, and they held a procession.

[fisherman]

they didn't have such a subject at school as "History" :)

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: Atash

Do you know where the Black Hundred comes from? The monks in their black robes marched into battle in the forefront.

You write nonsense here! The black hundred did not participate in battles (if only in pogroms and robberies), and they had nothing to do with the monks!

[atash]

The name of this organization you are talking about comes from there. They named themselves after those monks. That is, those monks were originally called the black hundred.

[atash]

Some poet wrote something like "black hundred ... slander ... defamed"

[uralkazak]

Do you seriously think that Tatars, Chechens, Dagestanis, etc. ready to proudly declare that they are Russians? The difference in nationality does not necessarily lead to war, and there is no need to force foreign peoples into Russian, as well as the Russian people into Chechen, Tatar, etc. Those who write everyone in a row to the Russian people, obviously, consider the Russian people to be a simple sum of all who live in a certain place, within the borders (of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation - it does not matter). Although the Finns were part of Russia, the Poles — are they also Russian? Maybe the Russians are somehow different? Orthodox faith, for example? Do not like it - be at least an atheist, even a Buddhist, but then you are a Russian, and not Russian, because the self-name of the simple Russian people is peasants (Christians). The main state-forming people of Russia was Russian (Orthodox). When the Tatar or Chechen people will be the state-forming nation, or whatever, then the state will be called in a different way: the Great Caliphate - and the faithful Caliphans will live in it, and atheists will end. There is an experience of peaceful residence of other peoples in the Orthodox Russian Empire - why invent a bicycle?

[Valery-SPB]

Oh, "Uralkazak" is wrong. This begs the question, but excuse me, since when are the Orthodox and Russians alike. Russian means Orthodox. And also Russians are peasants. Is this so? As in the annals? "And from those Varangians the Russian land was nicknamed. The Novgorodians are those people from the Varangian family, and before they were Slovenes." The meaning is obvious. From the Varangians-Rus, the land they occupied was Russian and the Novgorodians from those Varangians — the Russians. Thus, Russian is an adjective indicating an attitude towards someone. It follows that the primordially Russians are Novgorodians, who indicated their belonging (and perhaps subordination) to the Russians. And Novgorodians are dashing people, merchants and robbers. So that's it. "Show" your Novgorod passport and walk around Russia. Should the rest be denied Russianness?
The postulate on the Orthodox Christianity of the Russian people, the identity of the concepts Russian and Orthodox is a consequence of the imperial policy (not to be confused with the imperial), when, after the death of Primate Andrian in 1700, the patriarchate was abolished and until 1917 the Greek Catholic (Orthodox) church was governed by the Holy Synod, with the chief prosecutor at the head. As many as 217 years! It was during this period that the possibility of a career and advancement for foreigners became real after the adoption of Orthodoxy. As in the USA, either you are an Indian, so do not drink alcohol on the reservation, or you are a Yankee with all the rights. Two Jewish brothers lived in the Pale of Settlement, decided to become Russian, came to the capital, converted to Orthodoxy and became Russian, then they and their descendants married Danes, Germans and ... in the end, get from one of the brothers - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov .
Search now among all Russians those, others, ethnically pure Russians, fun and entertainment, if not worse.

[dredging]

The Russian idea. Uralkazak correctly said that we don’t invent a bicycle, we created the institution of cohabitation of many peoples and faiths in the same territory. Did anyone live badly or are living now? Who is pressed most? Before you answer, you should think carefully.

[dredging]

And this occupies me with the simplest observation. Does any of us Russians have at least one generation that did not fight, did not participate in the military action? Finally, ask your loved ones who was where, and you yourself will go crazy about your relatives, what they are.

[Warrawar]

Quote: dredge

The Russian idea. Uralkazak correctly said that we don’t invent a bicycle, we created the institution of cohabitation of many peoples and faiths in the same territory. Did anyone live badly or are living now? Who is pressed most? Before you answer, you should think carefully.

The Russian idea is to develop the Russian people.

[dredging]

I imagine this development, for starters, in the chants of FC fans. Do you agree?

[antispam]

Some kind of nonsense. I quickly looked through everything highlighted in caps and immediately all the questions disappeared.

[Valery-SPB]

The style is chaotic and the picture is unsuccessful. Such places on the Izhora River, when the bank is level with the surface of the water, only on the section of Zagorodnaya Street in the city of Kolpino, after the gateway of the Izhora plant dam and up to the Petrozavodsk highway, and then the plateau, the banks of the Izhora are already cultivated, but with slopes. Right before the confluence with the Neva River, on the left bank there is a chapel and a monument to A. Nevsky, indicating the location of the battle of 1240. I remember that earlier in the textbooks, the prince’s squad, according to the scheme, struck in this place from the right bank, and on the left, it turns out, there was a camp of the “Romans” (as in the “Tale of Life ..., there are no soldiers). It turns out warriors, before our eyes enemy, overcame a water barrier and, coming to the other side, found themselves in a completely different battle formation corresponding to those times. And the enemy, all the damn gentlemen, make no attempts to attack the substituted squad. It is impossible for the boats to moor at the bank of the Neva, since , it is high and steep. But the opposite bank of the Neva is sloping. Therefore, the new historians of the official school on the diagrams indicate the attack of the squad across the Neva, but this contradicts the description of the battle in the sources.
A dark story with the battle, and with the article too. The well-known type, “fly up and fly away.” And since the author refers to God, then I am referring to Thomas, who did not believe until he dipped his fingers into the wounds. Slogans are a good thing, of course, but what about the verification...?

[atash]

It is believed that the significance of this battle is greatly exaggerated. There were Russians. 200, the same number of Swedes, the Russians piled on the Swedes.

[AlNikolaich]

I read it. I put a minus! Although it was taken from the “Orthodox Warrior” website, the content of this opus smacks of sectarianism! Does the administration of “Orthodox Warrior” even check publications? Otherwise we have a mixture of Orthodoxy with neo-paganism, supported by biblical quotations, and even propaganda of complete monarchism! In short, complete nonsense! Such opuses must be filtered out, otherwise, God forbid, there will be followers who will literally take this as truth, and as a guide to action...

[uralkazak]

The self-name of a people is a response to individual thinkers about what kind of people they are. And if the people call themselves - Christians, i.e. Christians, then there is nothing to invent about the great pagan Rus'. We all started with diapers or diapers, but it’s not a matter of living on your own, what about development?! Before the baptism of Rus' there were either separate tribes or unions of tribes, but there was no single people. People are held together by religious beliefs. In Rus', the choice is Orthodoxy. This was chosen by the ancestors of the Russians. And - Russian is a relationship not by blood, but by faith - only in this way can ethnic Tatars (Kryashchens), Turks - Gagauz from Transnistria and everyone who accepted Orthodoxy on Russian soil be Russian. You don’t have to speculate on anything for your ancestors; if you don’t want to follow their path, just say: I don’t want to. Because then your fabrications are lies that justify your own laziness and desire for permissiveness.

[Yarosvet]

So another pattern has emerged.

The topic of the article is the Russian idea. But as soon as a couple of categorical statements of a religious nature were added to the article, no one needed the Russian idea on this thread, and the discussion turned into a banal brawl.

And after this, someone wants to make religion the basis of statehood?

[fisherman]

the basis of statehood? no, why such radicalism? :) and then, on the secular side, the priority is the material side of the matter :)

[Yarosvet]

Listen, fisherman: As far as I understand, you consider yourself a believing Christian. This faith is based on the Bible, which is considered the word of God.

Can you tell me what is written in the Bible about the soul, what is the soul?

[fisherman]

This faith is based on the Bible,

Are you serious? Or are you just kidding me?? :)

you know, now, it seems, I’m starting to resemble Mr. Woland from “The Master and Margarita,” but I just don’t know if I can stick out my eyebrows in such surprise :)

leave these thoughts about the soul, think about business (and you will certainly be saved, without quotes)

I already quoted it, I personally really like it, briefly, accurately and without blah blah:

"
since human civilization stands on the Old Testament "eye for an eye" then it doesn't matter if you match this era :)

Oh well, also if you manage to spread your Christian love (as self-sacrifice, as "turning the other cheek" as free help to your neighbor, as simple and not requiring much effort to empathize) to your nearest and dearest ...

About t and h n about if you manage to spread It on any counter-cross in your everyday life ...

and, in my opinion, it’s simple And interesting - if you can embrace the whole world with Christian love - as it was possible, for example, to the Nobel laureate - Mother Teresa ...

I in no way require you to become a holy person (Dostoevsky Idiot ... or, as they say now, a sucker), because least of all I want to be like those modern Bolsheviks who have a very developed ability to supervise "other people's dragons" :) I just want to say that the time for the "turn the other cheek" paradigm has not yet come ... and therefore it is simply dangerous to live and love like that ... but you can always be a very good person ...

Always ask the truth from the people ... and not from the priest or the parishioner dancing ... and everything in your mind will be orderly ... success ...


smiling child - a humble budgie specialist :)
"

[Pimply]

An eye for an eye is far from the only, and far from the main principle of the Old Testament.

[fisherman]

"since human civilization is based on the Old Testament "eye for an eye" "

[Seraph]

Why is “Pimply” always severely downvoted? It's just like some kind of algorithm...

[GG2012]

Quote: Yarosvet

The topic of the article is the Russian idea. But as soon as a couple of categorical statements of a religious nature were added to the article, no one needed the Russian idea on this thread, and the discussion turned into a banal brawl.

And after this, someone wants to make religion the basis of statehood?

Here is proof for you and all of us that religion does not unite people... moreover... it creates enmity.
Let us recall the commentary of a current clergyman of the Russian Orthodox Church under the nickname “Seraphim”:

Quote: Seraphim

Neopagans, evil spawn of hell

It turns out that those forum members who do not accept Christian views are “spawn of hell”, such as fucking people, degenerates and scumbags, to use modern language.
Holy shit oil painting!
Some priest took and insulted a large number of people (both members of the forum and in general), just because we do not worship a dead Jewish rabbi and consider Jewish mythology to be obscurantist.

My conclusion: Jewish mythology CANNOT be the foundation for Russian ideology!
Let those who want to believe in Christianity!
The rest will believe in the Great Russian Empire!

[Yarosvet]

I'm not sure about the empire - I like the Union more. But as for the rest - yes: religions have always divided and brought light (though light from fires).

And the local character “Seraphim” against the backdrop of what is happening is like little flowers, here Sasha Shumsky distinguished himself a year ago: "... We must have a very simple criterion - everything that goes against the church, against the teachings of the Orthodox Church, against the Holy Patriarch, of course, is spiritual extremism. We must firmly take this position, and in assessing extremism we must proceed from this. ..." Fine?

I don’t understand at all - who do you have to be to pass off unprovable, contradictory speculations as the ultimate truth?

[atash]

The quote probably meant religious extremism, not atheism. Because if you replace “church” with “mosque” and “patriarch” with “imam” in the quote, then both the mosque and the atheists would be happy. Extremists scare the mosque even more than atheists. And atheists are already practically safe for the mosque and other religions; everything they could do has already been done. It’s just the extremists who encourage them to perform further “exploits.” Or extremists of all stripes are disguised restless fanatics-atheists.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

The quote probably meant religious extremism, not atheism.

[Seraph]

You, dear fellow, incorrectly interpret some expressions of the Russian language. If you, an atheist, are offended by the “vicious destruction of hell” addressed to you, then the question arises: how much of an atheist are you??? com, I didn’t call you a scumbag and a geek. An evil creature of hell - yes, and I do not deny. Only for you this is as offensive as for me something like “Left-Trotskyist draft dodger.” I'll just laugh. And since you don’t laugh, but even get offended like a young lady, I conclude that you are: 1) a believer, of an as yet undetermined confession, 2) a hypocrite, since you carefully hide it.
And about the insults. You do this so often that there is no need to list all your boorish antics about Christianity. Plus: as recently as May 28 of this year, in the comments to the article “Dance, Obama, you have a letter,” addressing a certain Katsin, you, “a fighter against foul language,” wrote to him: “Kish mir in tuhes! Potz!” Which can only be translated as “kiss my ass.” Of course, if you did not want exactly the requested action, which would take us into a completely different discourse, this is an insult, and a dirty, boorish insult.
And you will teach me modesty? And fight for the rights of forum members?
You, my friend, are a boor and a hypocrite

[Seraph]

A certain Christianophobe under the nickname GG2012 wanted to say this:

[Yarosvet]

Did Brzezinski give you military secrets? Why did it happen?

[fisherman]

has fallen into an unconscious state in which there are no earthly passions (slavery), wish me colorful dreams :)

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

Rybak - Is your last name Putin?
The style is the same - a maximum of words with a minimum of information, and even that is not on topic.

I asked a simple specific thing - what is the soul in the understanding of a person who considers himself a Christian - as far as I can tell, this understanding should be based on the Bible, and do you consider yourself a Christian?
You answer me with verbiage.

Of course, I wish you colorful dreams, but nevertheless I never cease to hope for an answer.

[fisherman]

I asked a simple specific thing - what is the soul in the understanding of a person who considers himself a Christian - as far as I can tell, this understanding should be based on the Bible,

When you conduct a survey among Orthodox believers with the question: “What is the soul?”, you will get a lot of different options, not just one :)

and they will all be right in their own way, and, of course, you will be able to choose from this wide range of answers the one on which you will draw your own mind-blowing conclusion :)

and you will also be right in your own way, it is generally customary for us to “deduce the global from the local” :))) there are a lot, you know, geniuses of induction :) even a lot, it feels like everyone wants to analyze, synthesize, determine, detect, thank God that there are those who are ready to do...

For me, the soul is simply “the inner world of a person,” and I’m unlikely to be sad because someone’s definition of soul doesn’t match my definition :)

deeds, and only deeds determine: a pure soul or a rotten soul

but I understand those intellectuals who want to create an “earthly paradise” with the help of words and not actions, this is truly the age-old dream of many generations of intellectuals :)

Faith is “active love”, and not, excuse me, personal reflections on the world around us, does this mean that I am against prayers, no, after all, sociality can manifest itself here (this is when they pray for the health of someone, and not themselves, to example)

but deeds come first, you can say that to any priest who will explain to you the difference between the philosophical and, for example, Catholic definition of the soul, I assure you, I will support you even from a distance :)

A girl, a spiritual child, comes for a conversation with the confessor (a long skirt from waist to toe, a modest blouse and a scarf that covers everything). He turns, lowering his eyes, to the priest:
- Father! Express your conceptual assessment of the latest monograph by Archpriest John Meyendorff, dedicated to the Barlaamite-Palamite polemic and written during the era of his ministering to the Russian diaspora in Paris.
Father: MARRY, YOU FOOL!!! GET MARRIED URGENTLY!!!

:)

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

When you conduct a survey among Orthodox believers with the question: “What is the soul?”, you will get a lot of different options, not just one :)

Regarding the large number of answer options, you are absolutely right. You are wrong in that all those who answered can be considered Orthodox: the policy here is simple - only the one who believes the canon invented by fat uncles, the one for whom the canon has become a reality, is considered Orthodox.

For me, the soul is simply “the inner world of a person,” and I’m unlikely to be sad because someone’s definition of soul doesn’t match my definition :)

Of course, you shouldn’t be sad, but you should understand that as soon as you begin to have your own idea of ​​the soul (or anything else), you immediately cease to be Orthodox and become a heretic - such is dogmatics. At one time, a lot of people were killed because of this.

And you know what's the funniest thing?
All the dogmas of Christianity are based in one way or another on the Bible. At the same time, the soul is traditionally presented by believers as a kind of subtle substance, as a kind of intelligent vapor - but the Bible does not say anything like that. It clearly states what the soul is, and it has nothing in common with your ideas - that is, you, like many others, are essentially not a Christian (Leviticus 17:14).
And the biggest problem is that the Russian Orthodox Church simply lies, violates its own rules, its own dogma, and at the same time interferes with all spheres of life, declaring itself the ultimate truth - and this despite its own obvious deceit and a clearly defined commercial vector of activity . And the “believers”, as always, are either deliberately blind, or simply in the lot and have their own profit from this.

[fisherman]

You are wrong in that all those who answered can be considered Orthodox:

I didn’t say that these are Orthodox, but these are not, you’re just thinking it out for me, I assure you, I’m already used to it :)

moreover, as soon as the detection of the true Orthodox (true Jews, true believers.....) begins, cleansing immediately begins :), at all times there are people who love to conduct ANALYSIS, and love to lead cleansing processes faith, or party ranks, etc.

regarding everything else (so as not to spread out megabytes of details) I will give you a simple answer, I hope it will not shock you to the core :)

I. Christ was also not a believing Orthodox Christian :)

there are only two DOGMA, two vectors: for yourself beloved and for your neighbor, to yourself and from yourself, self-love and Love...

everything else is scientific blah blah :)

I understand your desire to lead the internal church life, to determine EVIL-GOOD, white-black, Christian-non-Christian, etc.

This is a completely NORMAL desire of an individual, it has been known and customary for a thousand years :)

phew, once again: they are ORTHODOX priests (orthodox), and not CATHOLIC, this is a cross-section of society, not only they are like this, we are all like this, when they start declaring (the word) that they are holier than all saints, then I will also take up Bolshevism: )

In any case, thank you for your treatise “On the Soul”, I love reading it :)

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

In any case, thank you for your treatise “On the Soul”, I love reading it :)

Yes, to your health, but you are changing the concepts.
Who is Orthodox and who is not is determined by the priests. And priests always organized purges - the heresy of non-covetous people, for example - remember?

But in order to claim that Jesus was not a believer, you must first at least prove that he was, prove that he is God, prove that God exists
However, an analysis of inaccuracies and inconsistencies shows that the Bible is an extremely dubious document mixed with Hebrew mythology, and starting to believe it means starting to believe in Koshchei, the Serpent Gorynych, Krishna, Odin, Zeus - they are all alike and there is no reason to choose which then one.

...butts are a cross-section of society...we are all like that...

Nevermind. Guys with at least a truncated conscience become priests, so there is no need to blame society for the mistakes of bureaucratic structures, be it the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Sov. Fed. or church.
They have long declared that they are holier than all saints and call the church holy. But a church consisting of sinners cannot, by definition, be holy.
And passing off unprovable conjectures as the ultimate truth, as the church does, is actually something.

[fisherman]

Who is Orthodox and who is not is determined by the priests.

what a horror, it turns out that among them there are also ordinary people :) You shocked me with this discovery :)

But in order to claim that Jesus was not a believer, you must first at least prove that he was, prove that he is God, prove that God exists

and exactly the same amount of evidence will be required to prove that I. Christ was, on the contrary, a believer:) it seems to me that these researchers need to be united together, you know why, yes, yes, to ensure an endless (and so useful) phenomenon , like scientific blah blah...

However, an analysis of inaccuracies and inconsistencies shows that the Bible is an extremely dubious document,

I beg you, take this huge Book somewhere far away from you :)) keep in your head only two principles, only two DOGMA, and I am sure that your worldview will be extremely harmonious and consistent...

Nevermind. Guys with at least a truncated conscience become priests,

Now this is really interesting, the whole point is that now “studies by British scientists” have begun to appear on forums, proving that the average atheist is much more moral than any believer :) while these “research” lead to “homeric sounds” :)) )they are so absurdly arranged and taught, but the efforts aimed at proving and introducing this thesis into the mass consciousness will, of course, increase (the purpose of art, as you know, is temptation, in order to lead herds of followers behind you, and have decent salary and fame), so you are still at the beginning of the journey, to catch up, look on the Internet, otherwise it still sounds very naive :)

They have long declared that they are holier than all saints and call the church holy.

ah, church, even I don’t doubt it :) when they start talking to themselves, let me know, okay? :)

But a church consisting of sinners cannot, by definition, be holy.

KA-A-A-AK??? Are you serious??? it looks like you're kidding me again :)

I'm afraid I will again cause your brain to shudder, but even a murderer, having left prison, can save children during a fire, moreover, after a while he can even be canonized...

And passing off unprovable conjectures as the ultimate truth, as the church does, is actually something.

exactly, for example, “God is Love”, for some this is really speculation and an unprovable truth :)

“a thought expressed is a lie,” so don’t be surprised if all your life, every minute of your existence, you will be surrounded by chance, uncertainty, subjectivity, lies in salvation, deliberate lies, misunderstandings and other similar human “truths”...

it would seem that “everything has already been said a long time ago”, the only thing left to do is the small matter, the deeds, but no, from century to century humanity prefers one Dogma to another, because it is reasonable, because the OVERWHELMING majority of humanity are NORMAL people...

that's all

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

what a horror, it turns out that among them there are also ordinary people :) You shocked me with this discovery :)
and exactly the same amount of evidence will be required to prove that I. Christ was, on the contrary, a believer:) it seems to me that these researchers need to be united together, you know why, yes, yes, to ensure an endless (and so useful) phenomenon , like scientific blah blah...

Banter and verbiage begin when arguments end - right?

I beg you, take this huge Book somewhere far away from you :)) keep in your head only two principles, only two DOGMA, and I am sure that your worldview will be extremely harmonious and consistent...

Yes, my friend, you are not only not Orthodox, but also not a Christian at all - one can only guess how, having put this huge book away, you learned about the Messiah - have you really caught a revelation?

Now this is really interesting, the whole point is that now “studies by British scientists” have begun to appear on forums, proving that the average atheist is much more moral than any believer :) while these “research” lead to “homeric sounds” :)) )

Oh yes, British scientists are such scientists
The funny thing is that the research was carried out not by shaved people, but by Americans, and it was not about morality, but about humanity - “I hear a ringing, but I don’t know where it is,” right, Rybak?

Further, you have written even more crap than at the beginning, so there is no desire to continue analyzing the nonsense you have written - there was an article here about how to recognize a conventional Internet “idiot” - this seems to be about you.

Beware of demons.

[fisherman]

Banter and verbiage begin when arguments end - right?

absolutely true, because I’m talking about the same thing for the 3rd time :)
(actually, the banter itself hasn’t gone away, but let’s not talk about that :))

Yes, my friend, you are not only not Orthodox, but also not a Christian at all - one can only guess how, having put this huge book away, you learned about the Messiah - have you really caught a revelation?

You forgot about who our ultimate truth is, I remind you that only you determine who is Orthodox here and who is an internet writer, uh, fighter :) and you yourself took on this mission, why do I need books when there are Internet filled with jokers? :) is it possible to joke about a book? It's just that they are modern intellectuals :)

The funny thing is that the research was carried out not by shaved people, but by Americans, and it was not about morality, but about humanity

what are you talking about? would I recommend you fish of second freshness? That blizzard has subsided for about 3 years now, I’m suggesting to you a completely new direction in the fight against these damned priests :)

I don’t know about other forum members, but I personally believe that it is you who will be able to prove the incredible, at times simply stunning, high spirituality of modern (this is an important nuance) atheists, in comparison with believers (preferably with all)

It’s a pity that they didn’t sparkle with their intellect in relation to the so-called “human truths”, and he’s a fool :)

Be afraid of stale fly agarics, they will lead you astray...

:)

[dmitrich]

the author is stoned, or narrow-minded, the article is a minus.

[Kolyan 2]

Quote: Mitzhel

Is Nevsky wiping Swedish blood from a sword in a painting?

Not Swedish but Russian. The blood of the freedom-loving Novgorodians who dared to refuse to pay tribute to the Horde ... the Horde mercenary Alexander, who was written a princely label in the horde, brutally suppressed the uprising of the city residents. He tortured, cut his noses, gouged out his eyes, and still ensured that the Russians would continue to obediently bend their backs before the horde.

This is where they recruit such idiots. Novgorod, Pskov WERE NOT CONQUERED BY ID---FROM

[Kolyan 2]

Well, you can see they didn’t cut your nose

[a.hamster55]

Dear dredge! I understand you - your position is not resistance to EVIL! To put it mildly in slang -
FUCKING FUCK. Maybe this is right at the moment - it cools down overly hot heads. And of course
better than Manichaean nonsense.

[sharingan]

Orthodoxy of the brain.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Sharingan

Orthodoxy of the brain.

Be careful with epithets. Otherwise they will answer you with the same things, for example about the godlessness of the brain.

[Genoezec.]

What kind of heresy did I just read? Complete nonsense.

[Genoezec.]

What kind of heresy did I just read? Complete nonsense.

[lexe]

A sword without faith is a stick. Don’t la-la that the atheist Soviet people won the Second World War. My grandfather, a front-line soldier, was wounded on the Kursk Bulge, after the war he was a forester. All his life he believed in God. It was the 1st years of the Second World War that the Germans were held back by the Russians Orthodox people, for only followers of Christ can perish in complete hopelessness; anger alone is not enough.
Faith is a kind of psychotechnics, and when necessary, it can be far from slavish... I am the one who considers Russian Christians to be downtrodden zombies. Was Suvorov a stupid zombie? NO! and prayed and studied and fought and won.

[Russ69]

In the trench, you can pray to whomever you want, just to get through...

[atash]

Quote: Atash

there were no self-immolations

I re-read my source, I'll get better. “... in 1691, two hundred of the most respected “monks and teachers” of the Old Believers, having gathered in council, unanimously condemned the practice of self-immolation, which actually occurred. A “reflective scripture” was released, mercilessly condemning the preachers of self-immolation as obsessed with “unreasonable and demonic obsession." And therefore, the reader is left to determine for himself, besides, in this case, whoever brought the fire to the huts where the Old Believers were locked up was to blame for the numerous mass burnings of Old Believers during the reign of Peter..."

[atash]

Quote: Yarosvet

51:47 - it is specifically about the sky.

Here are absolutely clear quotes from real scientists who have thought about the issue, from Harun Yahya's book "For reflective of people"
With the victory of the Big Bang, the concept of "eternal matter" - the basis of materialism - was thrown into the dustbin of history.
In this case, what happened before the Big Bang and what was the force that in one explosion transformed the universe from “non-existence” to “existence”? Of course, this question leads us to a truth that, according to Arthur Eddington, is unpleasant for materialists, namely, the truth of the existence of the Creator. Here is what the famous atheist philosopher Anthony Flew says about this:
"...I have a confession to make: the Big Bang model is troubling to the atheist. Because science has proven the claim defended by religious sources, namely, that there is a beginning to the universe. As long as the universe is accepted as something not only without end, but also without beginning, one can it is easy to argue that the present existence of the universe is a complete explanation. I still convinced (emphasis mine - Atash)in the correctness of this explanation, but, nevertheless, I must admit that defending this position in the face of the Big Bang theory is not easy and unpleasant."

Please note, “convinced,” that is, he accepted it on faith as his own religion and cannot renounce it even in the face of the fact - the basis of science.

The creator must be someone who created both matter and time, but at the same time independent of both of these concepts. Renowned astrophysicist Hugh Ross explains it this way:
"If time and matter were created by an explosion, then the cause that gave birth to the universe must be completely independent of the dimensions of time and space in the universe. This conclusion is extremely important for our understanding of who God is and who he is not. This tells us about that the universe itself is not God, nor is God located only within its boundaries.”

[atash]

http://www.origins.org.ua/
About the age of the Earth and the solar system from the point of view of atheistic science and science free from atheistic prejudices.

[atash]

http://www.origins.org.ua/page.php?id_story=1576
About the age of the Earth and the solar system from the point of view of atheistic science and science free from atheistic prejudices.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

I’ll look at the links a little later, now on the main comment:

Academic science has a very big problem - over time it becomes overgrown with dogmas - this happened with the “big bang”.
The “big bang” theory is not knowledge at the moment - it is a theory, partially confirmed working material from which one builds. Although this theory is the main one, it is nevertheless far from the only one (brane theory, for example), moreover, it has a large number of inconsistencies, which they try to compensate for by introducing new constants. There is a high probability that over time it will have to be revised, or completely abandoned.

At the moment we do not know what happened BEFORE the moment conventionally called the “big bang”. We don't know whether the Big Bang was a beginning or a transformation. We don’t know why the universe is expanding with acceleration, although logically it should be slowing down, and in order to be able to start from at least something, we introduce a new component, conditionally calling it dark energy.
With all this, we have no reason to make the main hypothesis the unlikely hypothesis of God: experience shows that everything inexplicable, everything attributed to a mystical component, over time, with the development of science, acquires an absolutely rational materialistic explanation.

As for a convinced philosopher, this is a completely unscientific approach. However, philosophy, especially Western philosophy - based on Christian scholasticism, can only be called science with a very big stretch, paying tribute to the people of the past who sought knowledge.

[atash]

Please note that the staunch supporter of the static universe theory is practically admitting defeat.
Come on. When people learned the scriptures, it was pointless to provide mathematical proofs; people did not know mathematics. Science, a means of achieving truth, quite naturally leads to religion.

[atash]

Dennis Siama, a long-time advocate of the persistence theory, shared his thoughts on the situation in which they found themselves faced with evidence that supported the Big Bang theory:

"At one time there was a serious confrontation between the supporters ... I defended the theory of constancy not because I believed in its truth, but because hotelso that it is true. As evidence emerged to refute the theory, Fred Hoyle took on a leadership role to counter these arguments. I took a seat next to him and pondered how I should respond to these hostile arguments. However, as evidence accumulated, it became clear that the game was up and the persistence theory had to be put aside."

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

Please note that the staunch supporter of the static universe theory is practically admitting defeat.

This is how sanity differs from religious faith: when science comes to UNDERSTANDING the inconsistency of a particular hypothesis or theory, it recognizes this and begins to either change the existing theory, or adds new data to already known data and creates a new theory.
Religion rests on its dogmas, no matter how crazy they are.
An example with “Orthodox” Christianity: one of the dogmas of the latter is that the Bible is a book, EVERY word in which is truth. And it doesn’t matter that in the Bible the bat is called a bird (Leviticus 11:13, 19). Moreover, a Christian will foam at the mouth to prove that there are no inconsistencies in the Bible, although there are hundreds of them - here is a list compiled by Muslims:
http://oneislam.ru/?p=1187
At the same time, there are also a lot of inconsistencies in the Koran, but Muslims, for obvious reasons, turn a blind eye to them, just like Christians in relation to the Bible.

Come on. When people learned the scriptures, it was pointless to provide mathematical proofs; people did not know mathematics.

Without knowledge of mathematics, you cannot build either Cheops or Brahadisvar, and there are thousands of such structures.

Science, a means of achieving truth, quite naturally leads to religion.

How can science lead to any religion if knowledge is completely antagonistic to both religious dogma and religious worldview, and faith is fundamentally irrational?
At best, science will confirm the validity of some religious ideas about the world, but will still explain them in its own way.

[Yarosvet]

I followed your links, what can I say...
I will give one of the most striking examples of the inconsistency of such fabrications:

Science is based on observation, but the only reliable source of determining the age of an object is the testimony of an authoritative witness who observed the events. The Bible states that its text is a transmission of information from the One God, the One who witnessed the events of Creation - the Creator himself. Thus, the Bible is the only reliable source for determining the age of creation.

Paradoxical "logic".

Firstly, science is based not only on observations, but also on measurements, calculations, verifiable and repeatable experience.
Secondly, if the most reliable testimony is the testimony of an authoritative witness, then where is this witness? No one living today has seen or heard it, no one can give guarantees of its adequacy and the correctness of its interpretations - that is, not a single person involved in writing the Bible is an authoritative witness, and as a result, the Bible is also not an authoritative source, and the author’s categorical statement to the contrary is a sign of inadequacy.
And finally, thirdly, in addition to the Bible, there are a lot of legends and sacred texts of various peoples and cults (Hinduism, for example), related to dating, which do not coincide with the concept of the Abrahamic religions, but there is no reason to trust them to a lesser extent than the Bible.

[atash]

Quote: Yarosvet

sanity is different from religious faith

Notice with what tenacity and reluctance scientists resisted a new theory that turned out to be correct. Why not accept it with enthusiasm, just as they accepted “evolution”? Because atheism, the religion of modern society, in this case loses its trump card.

[atash]

Quote: Yarosvet

Without knowledge of mathematics - no Cheops, no

I was referring to the mathematical tools that became available in the 20th century.

Quote: Yarosvet

faith is fundamentally irrational

Our whole world is irrational, so with faith it was always possible to live in harmony with it. Again, science, too, in its search for truth, comes to irrationality (twice two equals five, which is not irrationality, like all of Lobachevsky’s geometry), but scientific instruments are cumbersome, inaccessible to the broad masses, how can they live. And faith enters any heart that is open to it.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

Notice with what tenacity and reluctance scientists resisted a new theory that turned out to be correct. Why not accept it with enthusiasm, just as they accepted “evolution”? Because atheism, the religion of modern society, in this case loses its trump card.

Because admitting mistakes means losing authority and money, as well as discrediting the authorities of the past.
The point in this case is not about science, as a system of knowledge of the world - it’s about personal ambitions, both of individuals and groups. Such corporate "ethics", vanity and mercantile considerations are the bane of science.
Religion is not a system of knowledge of the world at all, since it does not accept alternative views that go beyond dogmatics at all.

Quote: Atash

Our whole world is irrational, so with faith it was always possible to live in harmony with it.

It is not the world that is irrational, but man, and as a consequence, society.

Again, science, too, in its search for truth, comes to irrationality (twice two equals five, which is not irrationality, like all of Lobachevsky’s geometry)

Where do you see the irrationality here?

scientific instruments are cumbersome, inaccessible to the general public, how can they live. And faith enters any heart that is open to it.

Scientific instruments are not available to the masses due to the disinterest of the masses themselves.
Faith does not enter into an open heart, but into a lazy mind.
Faith based on objective experience is not faith, but trust, an assumption of a high degree of probability - trust is rational. Faith that goes against objective experience (a version of religion) is irrational and speaks of personal and cultural characteristics, lack of education, and lack of ability for rational thinking.

[atash]

Faith lives in the heart, and logical explanations can be found with the mind. In every heart there is a belief in something - false or true, the mind is used to justify it, more or less objectively.

Quote: Yarosvet

Yes, and you don’t seem to be running away from civilization.

Two years ago I moved from the city in which I was born and lived for 39 years to the wilderness to live among relatives. The feeling of security in my opinion is happiness. When everyone on the street knows you for several generations, when you don’t have to look out the window every 10 minutes if your child is walking. Etc...

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Atash

Faith lives in the heart

If only figuratively: faith is part of the subjective worldview (or worldview), a conscious emotion, a consequence of human mental activity.

In every heart there is a belief in something - whether false or true, the mind is used to justify it, more or less objectively.

Reason is necessary, first of all, for awareness - without reason, a person is not even able to understand that he believes in something.
But as for the false and the true... Why believe (especially since there is a high probability of error) if you can know, or at least try to know, understand?

Two years ago I moved from the city...

You have not given up your computer, if you have health problems, you will not be treated with bloodletting, but will go to the city to see doctors, if necessary, use modern transport, etc. and so on.
You are not in the mountains of Afghanistan, where they don’t know what penicillin is - you have abandoned the city, but not civilization.

[Evgeniy667b]

The origins of Rus' and the Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians have, first of all, Vedic roots, and it is the return to this path that is the truth. Vladimir and Olga at one time tried a lot to strangle our origins.

[Svyatoslavovich]

Now the priesthood will not calm down, all of Rus' is reconciling itself, everyone is trying to marry her dear one to themselves, but her dear one resists and remains a pagan, and no matter how they baptize her, here and there, something from Svarog, then from Veles, or even from Rod himself, it will come out. Or the priests might wonder why Pushkin ridiculed them, burned people throughout the empire in 18, and in the Great Patriotic War they went to serve Hitler. Maybe they are superfluous here, strangers?

[Evgeniy667b]

Svyatoslavovich RU  Today, 00:41 


The priesthood will not calm down, all of Rus' is reconciling itself
What are we talking about!!!

[Svyatoslavovich]

We are talking about constant attempts to tie together, as something inseparable, orthodox Byzantine Christianity (pseudo-Orthodoxy) and Russian culture, ethnicity, exploits and achievements of the Russian people, to clothe in a cassock such banner-bearers-tolerators in the name of Christ the Savior.