L. Ivashov: “Refusal from draftees from Dagestan is a step towards its separation from Russia”

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L. Ivashov: “Refusal from draftees from Dagestan is a step towards its separation from Russia”

Not in these guys lies the danger, but in power, the expert believes

A strange anomaly was formed in Dagestan. Something is not happening there with young people, something that sincerely frightens even the new Minister of Defense Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu, who is actually a terrified comrade - he saw a lot of things when he was head of the Emergencies Ministry.

And what else, if not fear, can be explained by the decision of the Ministry of Defense to establish a quota for the appeal of an 800 man for an almost three million region? For comparison: in the neighboring Stavropol Territory with approximately the same population, the draft conscription plan has already drawn up 4000 recruits. At the same time, according to the census data available, the Russian population in the Stavropol region is about 80% of the total, while Dagestan does not have such a pronounced national dominant.

However, Daitbeg Mustafayev, the military commissar, is trying to reassure: “Taking into account delays, health conditions and other circumstances, Dagestan could only give the Armed forces of the country 25 – 30 thousands of tough guys this spring, but so far these are quotas for the republic. We hope that, as in the best of times, thousands of people will be called up from 4 – 5 from Dagestan. ”

Hope dies last, but here it is not she who is before us - the military commissar’s hope - but his obvious slyness, since he is certainly well known for the real reason for this “condescension” of the center to Dagestan and other republics of the North Caucasus. The bureaucracy - be it civil or military - does not like to create problems for itself, that’s the whole secret. And hot Caucasian guys are a real and inevitable threat to army-wide discipline, especially in those parts where whole diasporas are created. Well, there are no such “diasporas” - no, it seems like the problem itself.

The viciousness of this approach is recognized even by open opponents of "excessive militarization" - for example, the head of the "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers" Valentina Melnikova. “The level of discipline in the units depends on the commanders. Commanders and officers should work with barracks hooligans. And if they cannot do this, this is not a reason not to call up the natives of the Caucasus for the army, ”concluded the human rights activist.

But Melnikova herself, in her commentary to Nezavisimaya Gazeta, indicated that the authorities are much more serious about this perspective, when young highlanders successfully complete the necessary training in order to take good positions as a pro in the Wahhabi hierarchy ... Do we need this? The question is rhetorical.

But what to do with a shortage of troops is not rhetorical, but the most vital, only it seems that responsible uncles with asterisks on shoulder straps do not care. But maybe the truth is now exactly what it seems, Sergei Kuzhugetovich? Well, shall we then consider then the first 140 recruits from Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria and North Ossetia, sent to military units by a good effort.

In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, a well-known military-political expert, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, reserve colonel-general Leonid Ivashov noted that the authorities are afraid, first of all, of publicly exposing their incompetence, rather than aggravating interethnic relations in military units:

- Yes, these fears are not justified by anything, we simply can’t bring order in anything. What sphere do not take - everywhere defeat, corruption, theft. Here and in interethnic relations, too, frankly, a complete mess going on. Not in these guys lies the danger, but in such a power, which it will not undertake, it will surely izgadit, will destroy.

After all, what is the rejection of the mass appeal of young people from the same Dagestan? So then, according to their logic, we need to abandon Dagestan itself, as well as other republics, recruits of which “do not take root” in the Russian army. But if we leave them as part of Russia and they themselves don’t want to leave anywhere, then we need to jointly establish an elementary order there. And then we once, under the sauce of “rights and freedoms”, dragged radical Islam there, special structures of Western and Muslim countries, and now all that remains is that it is shy to close our eyes to that ...

The military in the current situation, you can try to understand: they also see who will come to the army. And in the same Dagestan, a good half of young people simply cannot find themselves in this life, they are deprived of the opportunity to get a good education, to join the culture, to find a decent job ... It is clear that the youth in these conditions inevitably degrade and, of course, such draftees - not really coveted contingent for army commanders.

But it is only here that it is time to put the question: what are these commanders today? We see that the military education system is actually destroyed. But this is still no excuse. If a commander cannot restore order in his platoon or in a company, how will he fight with a real opponent if he is unable to cope with the conscripts entrusted to him?
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  1. biglow
    +72
    4 June 2013 10: 57
    the author just doesn’t write, but where should I call the recruits from the Caucasus?
    The construction battalion and the railway troops is their limit, they are no longer suitable. They do not know how to behave, and holding a special sergeant with large fists in each unit is not an option.
    The army is now not so massive when it is necessary to rake all the draftees under the comb.
    They have nothing to do in the army, let the sheep graze in the mountains, develop agriculture
    1. +22
      4 June 2013 15: 37
      If they are not called up, then the Constitution of the Russian Federation will have to be changed!

      Let, indeed, serve as "alternative" - ​​graze sheep, etc.

      I’m just wondering how the refusal of conscription from Dagestan is consistent with the boastful shouts of "the honor of a highlander", "a valiant warrior and a horseman", etc.?
      Or the insult - "woman" and praise - "man" in relation to a Caucasian in Dagestan have already been canceled?
      1. +23
        4 June 2013 16: 05
        the author just doesn’t write, but where should I call the recruits from the Caucasus?
        The construction battalion and the railway troops is their limit, they are no longer suitable. They do not know how to behave, and holding a special sergeant with large fists in each unit is not an option.
        The army is now not so massive when it is necessary to rake all the draftees under the comb.
        They have nothing to do in the army, let the sheep graze in the mountains, develop agriculture

        Unfortunately, this is so.
        I served a conscript with this "conscript contingent". The first year "I don't understand Russian", the second - "Allah does not allow me to work." A hotbed of "community" and non-statutory relationships
        For com. parts truly a headache. They tried to scatter and scatter in distant parts.
      2. Avenger711
        +34
        4 June 2013 16: 43
        It is in excellent agreement, there, in Soviet times, as well as throughout the Caucasus, local healthy foreheads did whatever they wanted, just not to serve, let the Russian Ivan plow for them. And the horseman and man they have the one who robbed more.
      3. Shveik
        +28
        4 June 2013 18: 00
        What is the honor of a mountaineer ???? To rob, force, cut, and dump back into the mountains, that’s all honor
    2. +19
      4 June 2013 15: 46
      Quote: biglow
      the author just doesn’t write, but where should I call the recruits from the Caucasus?
      The construction battalion and the railway troops is their limit, they are no longer suitable. They do not know how to behave, and holding a special sergeant with large fists in each unit is not an option.
      The army is now not so massive when it is necessary to rake all the draftees under the comb.
      They have nothing to do in the army, let the sheep graze in the mountains, develop agriculture


      Well, that's right, we have such an approach to everything! Why bother? It’s better to follow the path of least resistance, we will allocate huge subsidies to the Caucasus, this money is successfully deposited in the pockets of all kinds of Kadyrov, who are becoming more impudent every year, and they don’t deal with affairs in the republic. Before, everyone served and nothing! It is necessary to create jobs, and not ordinary ones, but highly skilled not only in Moscow, but throughout Russia, the Caucasus should take special control, because after the collapse of the union, they now only understand the power, so we need to demonstrate it. Then there will be no extremism there.
      I read that before the Russian emperors there was protection from the Circassians, in my opinion, I won’t say for sure, but they certainly were considered to be the most incorruptible and loyal from the Caucasus immigrants, so you need to deal with these issues, and not pump up money bags of local kings.
      1. optimist
        +41
        4 June 2013 16: 02
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Well, that's right, we have such an approach to everything! Why bother?

        Here at least bother, at least not. This problem can only be solved radically. Let's face it: Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia, cut off "chunks". Russian laws do not apply there, and only war and trade are considered male occupations. And the frantic loot of subsidies is, in fact, the same continuation. And yesterday's militants, the guards of Kadyr, who you know what he did in the 90s. Over the past 20 years, a generation of real animals has grown up there, who perceive a good attitude towards them as fear of them. To act by the methods of JV Stalin, our government is fed up: what will the "civilized world" say ??? It is also impossible to separate, - the second "Syria" is provided close by. To educate is useless. So our government is paying off from solving this problem. And to recruit them into our army, to prepare future militants. Some here say that they go there from poverty. And not a damn thing like that !!! How many cases have been when the sons of local baisers who have been eating go to the mountains ... It's not about money, it's about mentality! No matter how many wolves you feed, the elephant still has more eggs! laughing
        1. +5
          4 June 2013 16: 17
          I completely agree with your words. +
        2. alexkross83
          +10
          4 June 2013 18: 13
          The recent detention of the mayor of Makhachkala suggests that not everything is so clear about indemnities, believe me, all these territories are controlled. As for the draft, so let them be in their own republic and in full view, otherwise Russia is big ... you can get lost in it after the draft. Let them stop rooted where they grew up.
      2. enot555
        +1
        4 June 2013 20: 41
        Russian
        Before, Russian emperors had security from the Circassians, in my opinion, I won’t say for sure, but they certainly were considered the most incorruptible and loyal from the natives of the Caucasus


        Well, at the expense of integrity, you got excited, many people love money very much and will not stop at nothing for money
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      3. +3
        4 June 2013 21: 24
        I don’t know about security. It’s possible. But the Caucasian native cavalry division in World War I was. 1% consisted of Muslim volunteers - natives of the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia, which, like all the native inhabitants of the Caucasus and Central Asia, are The Russian Empire was not subject to military draft. 90 brigades were loving, each grouped according to nationality. The officers were Russian nobles, and Colonel Yakov Davidovich Yuzefovich, Lithuanian Tatar of the Mohammedan religion, were appointed chief of staff of the division. The Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich commanded. I must say that they fought very worthily. We took part in the Brusilovsky breakthrough. We suffered heavy losses, the composition changed several times! But there was no shortage of volunteers. All officers were awarded orders for military merit. About 3 horsemen were awarded the George Crosses and St. George medals " For courage. "Tell me, maybe it makes sense to use SUCH experience? I do not insist on the idea, but b I'm glad to read the comments.
      4. builder
        -1
        4 June 2013 22: 41
        Well, where are the emperors?
    3. +4
      4 June 2013 15: 48
      Let them serve like everyone else, only introduce a restriction, no more than two people per unit. Well, as it says at the end of the article,
      But it is only here that it is time to put the question: what are these commanders today? We see that the military education system is actually destroyed. But this is still no excuse. If a commander cannot restore order in his platoon or in a company, how will he fight with a real opponent if he is unable to cope with the conscripts entrusted to him?
      This once again confirms the fact that the fish rots from the head. When I was in my service, the unit commander fought against such manifestations as hazing and fraternity cardinally. First, Guba, then according to the blat, arranged similar heroes in the part where, every other day, to the belt.
      I will not allow dual power in the part entrusted to me.
      1. +3
        4 June 2013 16: 35
        Quote: Sirocco
        no more than two people per piece ...

        -Two is already fraternity!
        -It will be enough for one part ... All problems are resolved !!!
    4. +22
      4 June 2013 16: 03
      Quote: biglow
      The construction and railway troops is their limit, they are no longer suitable anywhere. They do not know how to behave

      In fact, you need to serve in any troops, but also work in the engineering.
      The trouble is that a young man from the Caucasus comes already intoxicated with the poison of Wahhabism and nationalism, confident that he is in charge here. If this crap was laid in his head from the cradle, if his father and grandfather told him about it, then the army can no longer fix it! Therefore, the issue must be resolved in Dagestan itself, changing life priorities, explaining the principles of national policy, and clarifying the foundations of mutually beneficial interethnic communication.
      There are a lot of good, honest people in Dagestan; they need to be helped so that they lead people who are not bearded, illiterate individuals who misinterpret the Koran.
      1. Quartermaster
        0
        4 June 2013 21: 47
        I agree to all 100! The Ministry of Defense has its own important reasons and arguments - why teach local highlanders to fight, so that they then turn their weapons against the RA!
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      1. +1
        4 June 2013 16: 31
        Honest Jew! Whose cow mumbled and yours was silent! Do you understand me.
        1. Lakkuchu
          +12
          4 June 2013 17: 14
          How much without the Jews. While Russians and Chechens were piling up each other, the "honest" Jews pounded Russia and laughed at both. Now the project "evil Chechen" is closed, a new "evil dag" has opened.
      2. -2
        4 June 2013 16: 58
        Correctly "honest Jew" you have to do now against the Caucasians, otherwise if they are done away with, they can take you down. Judging by how many plus signs you already have for your brilliant statement, the conclusion is:
    6. +25
      4 June 2013 16: 12
      It is necessary to eradicate radical Islam in the republics. Under Stalin there would be no militants, they would give a command, they would not fulfill everything. It is necessary to conduct programs in schools to educate children, to plant, and it is better to execute those who clog the brains of young people, and the cultural education of generations, Homeland alone RUSSIAN FEDERATION YOU LIVE IN THE SUBJECT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, Nobody is going to break the traditions, you want to eradicate corruption, and much more another, control is needed and strong power.
      And then the phrase: "ALLAH GIVES MONEY TO CHECHNE." Doesn't fit in my head personally.
      1. beech
        -1
        4 June 2013 17: 16
        you come to Moscow and say it to local khachs ... you’ll leave home in zinc
    7. Vened
      +5
      4 June 2013 16: 23
      Immediately into a disbath, so that nerves and health would not spoil other recruits.
    8. w.ebdo.g
      +11
      4 June 2013 17: 13
      what is the problem?
      since they really want to serve, then introduce a point system of violations.
      scored the "necessary" number of points of violations - he goes home with a "wolf ticket", after which he will not be taken into any army ...
      most boobies will pick up penalties while still in training and will not fall into any part ...
      and begin to understand Russian and Allah will allow work ...
      I think so.
      1. +7
        4 June 2013 18: 49
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        scored the "necessary" number of points of violations - he goes home with a "wolf ticket", after which he will not be taken into any army ...

        And also on state. positions, other prestigious professions.
        Those. analogue of a white ticket.
      2. 0
        5 June 2013 01: 05
        Ragnarok Online picture. smiled wink
    9. +4
      4 June 2013 20: 03
      Quote: biglow
      Buildbat

      There are still no roads to Anadyr from Magadan (if I'm not mistaken). This is where the construction of the century is, that's where you will need your hands !!
    10. Sosland
      +3
      4 June 2013 21: 39
      served as a sapper bat. 93-95, I myself am from the Caucasus, the combatant MS weightlifter in my business is a pro of the highest class, the first mine clearing an incomprehensible bundle in the well, he took a picture and passed the camera down and himself for work. What a mess with someone in the unit was stripped to the waist, go one on one. The study will explain everything, the servant to the king is the father of the soldiers. Salary 0rub.00kop. I still remember respect, proud.
    11. 0
      4 June 2013 23: 30
      Quote: biglow
      They have nothing to do in the army, let the sheep graze in the mountains, develop agriculture

      Yes, they won’t graze the sheep, in the best case, join the ranks of national criminal gangs or in the worst they will become members of the gang underground, which, by their own account, is all the same. The authorities urgently need to cut this tight knot, otherwise IT will be pulled around the neck of the state. for later...
    12. honest jew
      0
      5 June 2013 04: 10
      no matter how the wolf feeds, he looks into the forest !!!
      1. 0
        6 June 2013 19: 20
        Quote: Honest Jew
        no matter how the wolf feeds, he looks into the forest !!!
        Do not like it, go to Israel!
    13. 0
      6 June 2013 19: 14
      Listen to you all, you won’t get enough sheep at all, pig-eaters are bad.
    14. 0
      6 June 2013 19: 59
      Nobody wants to join the army. We have created a vicious circle, you cannot get a job without an army. Then let them officially issue a law that without serving in the army "you can arrange your life", I assure you there will not be a single Caucasian and the problem will be solved. Otherwise it turns out that they don’t take the army and you won’t get a job. Guys are not in demand, so then get criminals and bandits. We ourselves have tied a noose around our neck and we are sitting here all discussing how to save Russia from the Caucasus. As you know, any sore, including hemorrhoids, manifests itself in the presence of conditions (the wrong way of life, I speak as a doctor), so a national policy is needed if you want to save the country, and not get small principalities. This is where everyone is now sitting and waving their fists for their invented nicknames. but in reality they are notorious and weak.
  2. +7
    4 June 2013 15: 26
    The author raised a very complicated and painful question. To resolve this issue, we must first eliminate the division of the country on a national basis, I mean republican statuses. One country - Russia, and the point. Everywhere is your home. And it must be protected. And while we are sharing each other, the problem cannot be solved.
    1. +2
      4 June 2013 15: 54
      Changing the legal status of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation is a difficult business, but possible. You just need to understand that although the Russian Federation is, de jure, an asymmetric federation, de facto it is already symmetrical. Fixed in 2000s. It will no longer be possible to create a unitary state. local riots will begin. "Cutting" the subjects differently is unrealistic and will give rise to its own problems.
      Appealing to the complexities of life, which justifies what is happening in the Caucasus, is not entirely correct.
      The standard of living, often, is higher than in central Russia (Tambov, Tula). In the Caucasus, just a lot of money in the shade. Admission to the university - the exam in Ingushetia and Dagestan - is another story. They do it, just then many cannot study. If in the same Dagestan there were more teachers able to write the exam on 98-100 points - woe to other applicants ...
      The problem is that the Caucasus is a new "acquisition" by historical standards. Moreover, those regions did not know developed statehood. This is not even an interethnic problem, but a civilizational one. It has been solved for centuries, but only with will and understanding.
      1. +9
        4 June 2013 16: 58
        Quote: Bronis
        It is solved for centuries, but only with the will and understanding.

        If there is a will, it is solved much faster. I know Chechnya and Dagestan 60-70 years. What kind of special banditry could there be?
        Consistent power unshakable work on the eradication of teipovism, weaning from a freebie, building a real economy. And such work is already underway. The arrest of the mayor of Makhachkala is an example.
        1. -1
          4 June 2013 17: 14
          Read the textbook of the mother tongue of the Chechen-Ingush SSR of the 70s. It directly says that the Russians are guilty of their troubles and they need to be cut.
          1. +1
            6 June 2013 19: 45
            It’s interesting in which textbook did you read it, written back in the 70s, h ... don’t carry a nude if you don’t know, or did you read it in Chechen-Ingush? Fiction on the 3rd shelf on the left!
        2. 0
          4 June 2013 20: 58
          Quote: Chen
          If there is a will, it is solved much faster

          Ermolov, of course, at one time very effectively dealt with the war. But the problem as a whole has not been resolved to this day. The conflicts of recent decades are proof of this. They could not be solved even in Soviet times. As soon as the power weakens, problems begin ...
          Our culture and worldview differ quite decently. And the farther, the more - our youth grows in postmodernism and a consumer society, Caucasian, first of all, with a sense of their national identity, a kind of aggressive nationalism. If the Russians are also united, hold on to each other - then everything will calm down and there will be no weddings with shooting, beatings and killings. Guests of the Caucasus behave not as they want, but as they are allowed.
          1. builder
            0
            4 June 2013 22: 47
            And how did Ermolov figure it out? Shamil was given money, given the rank of general, doesn’t resemble anything?
      2. +1
        4 June 2013 17: 03
        Maybe you are right. But I do not agree with the liquidation of the division on a national basis. This can be done. The problem is far-fetched. When these republics were created in essence, there was no national basis for them in many cases. A simple example. When they created Bashkiria, all the Tatars were recorded there by the Bashkirs, although they were not. And there is even more interesting northern autonomy, where the indigenous population is zero point zero, but also autonomy. In the Caucasus, the situation is different, there are so many nationalities that you gasp, in Dagestan alone there are a darkness of nationalities. They will live better and calmer in a common house, they need to share less, and they may stop biting. The question is only political will. Count nationality removed from the passport. But this is half measure, you can not stop halfway.
        1. alexkross83
          +3
          4 June 2013 19: 06
          The nationality column was removed :-) now all horsemen are asking where are you Russian from? Or maybe the descendants of the Mongoloids .... here we are "handsome" know our kind up to the 8th generation ... and you? I would like to answer them yes no, we are the descendants of those who stooped your middle ... the Khazar Kaganate and fascist Germany. We do not drink vodka, but drunks and you have enough! And unlike you there is a smell, not only then do you feel the shoulder of five comrades !!!
    2. 0
      4 June 2013 16: 33
      At least someone adequate and reasonable on the site!
  3. Fidain
    +6
    4 June 2013 15: 32
    It is necessary to strengthen the officer corps and the sergeant, so that the army would become a school for everyone, so that after the army, an 18-year-old boy would be proud that there are many friends among Russians and other nationalities, and would not put these mentally mature guys on the "needle of the Wahhabis". So we need to work on all those who are committed to the fight against terrorism, and not give them new blood ...
  4. +3
    4 June 2013 15: 35
    Yatsa (core) officers and sergeants need to have, then there will be no problems with conscripts.
    1. biglow
      +7
      4 June 2013 15: 49
      but what is the point of such a service if these mountaineers with the kpz haven’t been able to get out all the service that they’ve now been going out for 1 year now?
  5. +10
    4 June 2013 15: 46
    I think they are doing the right thing that they do not call .. (Maskhadov Dudayev, etc.) "served" the Motherland well
    1. +6
      4 June 2013 16: 17
      Dudaev and the like, our king Boris suggested taking as much independence as they want.
      And about "not to call" - to call, but first you need to restore order in the troops, give commanders more rights and opportunities to exercise these rights. Otherwise, today any punishment of a subordinate for his misdeeds becomes a punishment for himself.
    2. +5
      4 June 2013 17: 02
      Quote: MIKHAN
      (Maskhadov Dudayev, etc.) "served" the Motherland well

      Over the river, the guys from Chechnya and Dagestan fought courageously and with dignity.
      They did not lead EBN to power. And the same Dudaev is the fruit of Humpback and EBN, and not the army.
      1. +5
        4 June 2013 17: 26
        Yes, not everything is so simple with Dudaev. When he was killed with him, they found a party card and a star of the Hero of the Soviet Union.
        1. +3
          4 June 2013 23: 42
          Quote: Grenader
          Yes, not everything is so simple with Dudaev. When he was killed with him, they found a party card and a star of the Hero of the Soviet Union.

          Dudaev was a strong commander and a man honest and open, and the fact that political ambitions were to blame for him SO MUCH. A whirlpool of 90x events swirled General Dudaev and made him a hostage of events.
    3. 0
      6 June 2013 19: 42
      Look at the root, (Maskhadov Dudaev, etc.) is not the whole Caucasus. The demand is not from them, but from Yeltsin and Berezovsky, who sold the country with giblets and allowed it.
  6. +1
    4 June 2013 15: 47
    But if the Dagestanis and others are "correctly" re-educated in units of the same motorized infantry, the result could be a very good result. "Wild" divisions of the 21st century. Nobody wants to deal with this problem.
    1. ed1968
      +10
      4 June 2013 16: 02
      neither Chechens nor them can be re-educated
      1. +7
        4 June 2013 16: 19
        You can educate anyone. A particularly personal example. But with this now tension.
      2. +11
        4 June 2013 16: 30
        Quote: ed1968
        neither Chechens nor them can be re-educated


        Have you worked with these guys?
        I personally had to steer a wild division twice. When 98 people are subordinate and only 26 of them are Russian. Yes, he lived in the barracks for the first time. yes set priorities.
        It was all, but never betrayed.
        1. Airman
          +7
          4 June 2013 16: 53
          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: ed1968
          neither Chechens nor them can be re-educated


          Have you worked with these guys?
          I personally had to steer a wild division twice. When 98 people are subordinate and only 26 of them are Russian. Yes, he lived in the barracks for the first time. yes set priorities.
          It was all, but never betrayed.


          Now you will not "prioritize", you will arrange yourself. The commanders have no real levers to "educate" slobs, even on the "lip" through the courts, and not immediately. The "lip" was removed from the units, and earlier it was in every regiment. And spending the night in the barracks is not an option.
          1. +5
            4 June 2013 17: 07
            Quote: Povshnik
            Now you will not "prioritize", they will arrange themselves


            And in 90 there were a lot of leverage? The Caucasus is a delicate matter and the opinion of people in the village. who led him into the army worse than kichi or lips.

            Not so simple. and the Avar from Dargin can unscrew his head as well as the Kabardian Lezgin. Already between the two knives had to stand. Now, if you turn on the back then they’ll crush. It’s a pity that they do not teach this to the commanders at all.

            A night out is sometimes an option. find out who breathes faster.
            1. Airman
              0
              4 June 2013 20: 40
              Quote: vorobey
              Quote: Povshnik
              Now you will not "prioritize", they will arrange themselves


              And in 90 there were a lot of leverage? The Caucasus is a delicate matter and the opinion of people in the village. who led him into the army worse than kichi or lips.



              Enough, you can "beat up" with outfits, 5 days "lips" with repeated washing of the toilet with a rag and hands, 2 hours of drill quickly knock out arrogance.
        2. alexkross83
          0
          4 June 2013 19: 11
          Let me ask, how did you prioritize your company? Share your experience so to speak ...
    2. sergey261180
      0
      4 June 2013 16: 26
      If my grandmother had the right education, she would have turned out to be a good grandfather! laughing
    3. +4
      4 June 2013 16: 42
      Seryoga, you have the right opinion, only the colleagues and commanders seem to have a thin gut, if they prefer not to call for a solution to the problem. Many pseudo-patriots on the site do not understand another; if Russia does not call them, then others will not call on the side of Russia, that’s what you need to think about. After the collapse of the USSR, much in Russia is solved through an ostrich policy by sticking one’s head in the sand.
      1. alexkross83
        +1
        4 June 2013 19: 15
        They will be called ..only in Dagestan. There, starting from Makhachkala to Kaspiysk, there will be enough units for everyone .. let them explain the Dagestani officers the sums from the Koran.
  7. +19
    4 June 2013 15: 59
    The commanders that use in the "war" with them: CHARTER, fists to the brink.
    What the Dagestan appeal uses: complaints to the diaspora, committee of soldiers' mothers, prosecutor's office, executive authorities, brute force, intimidation of a family, murder, betrayal, venality, cowardice of higher commanders and officials, courts, etc.
    How do you like the ratio?
    The Caucasus has always recognized only power, in the Kremlin, apparently, amnesia about this ...
  8. dominion
    +6
    4 June 2013 16: 01
    If they are called up, it is only for service in the North Caucasus and in the part where there is no complicated equipment.
    1. Airman
      +2
      4 June 2013 16: 36
      Quote: dominion
      If they are called up, it is only for service in the North Caucasus and in the part where there is no complicated equipment.


      On the contrary, no one should be left in the Caucasus, sent to Kamchatka, the Kuriles, the Far North, to the Navy, to scrub the deck, and not study the machine gun, and 2-3 people each, so that one could "bend"
  9. +15
    4 June 2013 16: 06
    All these nulliparous soldiers' mothers and human rights activists, who suddenly made sure that cute Dagestan boys could serve in the army, never risk sending their son to the army. Yes, even in the company, which serves at least a dozen highlanders per hundred soldiers.

    I’m already the fifth time on this site I am writing the same thought on this subject: my younger brother will go to the army in the summer. I saw what recruits from the mountains are. And me just spithow there they at home will assert themselves to each other whether they are men or not, soldiers or not. In the ranks with normal Russians they have nothing to do.

    Not because of any one nationality, or religion, but because the vast majority do not know how to behave in a civilized society. They don’t know how much they can, that even a 100% male rude team does not fit.

    The army is not a day nursery, not a psychoanalyst’s courses to teach an adult 18-25 year old forehead to communicate with others and live in society. If 9 out of 10 Dagestanis do not know how to do this, then call them irrational. "You can sit at home, yepty" (c) R. Shirokov.
    1. +8
      4 June 2013 16: 11
      Quote: Enjoy
      Army - not a day nursery, not psychoanalyst courses

      "If the commander cannot put things in order in his platoon or company, then how will he fight a real enemy if he is not able to cope with the conscripts entrusted to him?"
      It is high time to stop playing democracy in the army. In my time, Caucasians washed the floors and ate pork. It's time to stop building an army on "gingerbread" alone. I don't want this is not an army principle.
      "If you don't know how, we'll teach, if you don't want to, we'll force you!" This is the army principle.
      1. +8
        4 June 2013 17: 44
        To put things in order, the entire vertical of the army must play one tune. And then I had ... a Caucasian soldier (I don't remember exactly which one) refuses to follow the order given before the company formation. I take him to the battalion commander, who sends him to the regiment commander. And the regiment commander with the political officer told him (the refusenik) "no-no" with a finger and sent him to the company, and me, the company commander, did you ... morally dry up that I want to initiate a criminal case and hang a criminal record on the unit. "Go educate !!", what am I, a nanny, "educate" idiots who directly declare that it is better to go to jail than to wash the toilet. There remains the option of assault, but here the refuseniks themselves run to complain and listen to them with pleasure and take action, in relation to ... officers, for hazing.
  10. CaptainBlack
    +9
    4 June 2013 16: 07
    I think that even if they get into our troops, now everything will be different already! In the best case, they will not get out of the outfits. Our guys will not let anyone else in the company be self-wishing! And at worst - DISBAT. If one of the candidates survives before him ?!
    Although, if good, intelligent, efficient fighters come to us in part, then let them serve with honor and praise! It is just that initially it is necessary to correctly carry out professional selection, testing, etc., to get the sheep here, and the sheep there ...
    But in fact, the above has already been said, better than the construction battalion and the engineering troops for them, and no! And even better - let them serve at home wherever they want, and by anyone! And it will turn out as always with us ... sewing troops !!!
    1. +1
      4 June 2013 16: 16
      Quote: CaptainBlack
      And at worst - DISBAT.

      Are they still there? request
      1. Kovrovsky
        +2
        4 June 2013 17: 05
        Nizhny Novgorod region, the village of Mulino.
  11. +2
    4 June 2013 16: 07
    Generations should be replaced, and it is better not one and the most important upbringing starting from d \ s and there is only one hassle (after all, they need to do food separately five times, etc.) they will start to buzz again ..
  12. sashka
    +2
    4 June 2013 16: 10
    So the Caucasus is no longer Russia?
    1. +5
      4 June 2013 17: 49
      The North Caucasus, de facto, never associated itself with Russia. I'm not talking about what is being declared, but about what and how the diasporas are doing and why they are doing and in whose interests.
      For them, Russia is a cow that allows itself to be milked today and have as they please. Of course they want to be in Russia. And no other way !!
  13. +2
    4 June 2013 16: 10
    m yes (((((I read comments and I understand how many cowards that write that there’s nothing to call from the Caucasus !!!!! that you are turning a chorus of bunny boys from the army !!!! !!! difficulties must be solved and you need to be ready !!! and not leave them !! and if you’re just afraid to solve them, you don’t have a place in the army and other structures !!!!!
    1. 0
      4 June 2013 17: 06
      Quote: sanek45744
      ! and if you’re just afraid to solve them, you don’t have a place in the army


      good
    2. +8
      4 June 2013 17: 53
      Need AUTHORITY, strong and serving the country. Or become the Russian diaspora themselves, shout about the friendship of peoples, and work for themselves, like other diasporas. Russia really will be bent at that .. (((But if the Russians become a minority in 20-30 years, then see Russia like that if the laws of stupid force, wallet and fraternity rule there. And the Kurbanbekovs and Khuliberdyevs will rule everything ..
  14. Ruslan Bear
    0
    4 June 2013 16: 10
    Dagestanis are the same citizens of the Russian Federation as everyone else, and they should serve just like everyone else, and all these problems with their behavior are your weakness in relation to them. You can minus as much as you want, but I'm right
    1. +5
      4 June 2013 17: 46
      Beautiful words .. definitely. Have you lived among them? Have you served with them?
      1. +2
        4 June 2013 20: 11
        Quote: Mairos
        Have you served with them?


        My best foreman was a Chechen - Haron Gapuraev. In the next company - there were Ossetians. They were not given concessions, but as they served, the officers still had to learn from them.
        1. +2
          5 June 2013 10: 14
          Yes, they love it! To command, to dispose, to distribute - to steer, in a word. The sergeant major is a Chechen, the commander-in-chief is a Dagestan, in the warehouses ... well, let it be Ingush. Well, the heels of their fellow countrymen in the company and the order will be perfect! Only this sign will be there, since they will stupidly jerk off and intimidate everyone, and they themselves will be like cheese in butter. As long as you "steer" them so, let "order" be in your company. However, the Caucasians will LIVE, and the rest will plow on them. From such "order" in the army, and goes crap. And what, let's make the entire vertical of power in Russia and all the power structures Caucasian? The order will be what! Uuuuu !!!
        2. +2
          5 June 2013 10: 37
          Do you really not understand the simple truth? Yes, they will serve until they are forced to do something that does not suit them, and even better if they are allowed to command others. This is a purely civilizational problem, as they wrote here. They have an archaic type of consciousness - the desire to suppress and dominate, otherwise they do not know how to assert themselves and realize themselves. We have this bzik in adolescence passes. That is why they are eager for someone in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who are lawyers of all stripes (and preferably bosses) - there the lives and destinies of other people will depend on them, and they like it. They are not bad, they are just SUCH. That’s the problem - how can one live with such SUCH ones?
  15. Eric
    +7
    4 June 2013 16: 17
    Quote: dominion
    If they are called up, it is only for service in the North Caucasus and in the part where there is no complicated equipment.

    That they shot our double bass there in the back? Head think Comrade.
  16. +5
    4 June 2013 16: 23
    A holy place is never empty. Those young people who have not served in the Army are easy to accustom to a machine gun and to shoot effectively, refusal of conscription does not prevent Wahhabism. Only as if later it was not too late. Their own country does not want to deal with its citizens, no matter what they are (Dagestanis are also citizens), then other "uncle-educators" will come who will want to teach and apply them for themselves, and these young people will not in any way identify themselves with this country, which treats them as outcasts and there will be a forecast of the author of the article. About the statement:
    Quote: Savva30
    The Caucasus has always recognized only power, in the Kremlin, apparently, amnesia about this ...
    ... Everyone recognizes the force, and Russia is no exception, the question is different: why can several Caucasians in a unit be able to subjugate everyone? Answer: go in for sports, dear colleagues. As it was in the advertisement of the bank imperial: "all the swans flew away" the answer of Tsar Nicholas; "You need to feed better, then they won't fly away." In this case: educate dear commanders, then they will serve normally, and learn to hold on to each other as they do.
    1. +3
      4 June 2013 16: 48
      Quote: Rustam09
      educate dear commanders, then they will serve normally ...
      -You say, you need to educate ...
      -My suggestion is this: the first half of the year, the Russian language course, then a history course about how bad behavior towards Russia usually ends ... and there is demobilization!
      1. 0
        6 June 2013 19: 36
        timurpl. The flag is in your hands, here you go!
    2. 0
      5 June 2013 10: 26
      "and these young people will not in any way identify themselves with this country"

      And now they identify the type?

      "and learn to hold on to each other like they do."

      So hold on, hence the slaughter in parts of wall to wall.
      1. 0
        6 June 2013 12: 20
        If they hold on, then why is everyone yelling here?
      2. 0
        6 June 2013 20: 04
        Quote: yllo
        "and these young people will not in any way identify themselves with this country"

        And now they identify the type?

        "and learn to hold on to each other like they do."

        So hold on, hence the slaughter in parts of wall to wall.

        They hold on, only not a single Caucasian yells here, how shitty he was in the army (do you feel the difference?)
    3. +1
      5 June 2013 10: 56
      Rustam, here the key word is "hold on to each other." Apparently the Russians will come to this, if the authorities themselves do not bother other "holding on". Because such a "grouping" according to the national zamlach principle is the creation of cancerous tumors on the body of the country. These "handfuls" -diasporas do not need Russia and not the country and its future, they are interested in "theirs" and their future, this is precisely that archaic-primitive approach to life that is being promoted by those who want to kill the country.
  17. +6
    4 June 2013 16: 24
    You need to work with conscripts and this is the task of the officers. The soldier must "crawl" into the barracks after classes and training. Then there will be no time for extra-statutory relationships.
    1. 0
      5 June 2013 10: 28
      You rightly noticed it.
  18. sergey261180
    +2
    4 June 2013 16: 24
    Kozhugetich is a rational manager, he has unnecessary hemorrhoids out of the blue. And the fact that it is hemorrhoids has been proven by more than one dozen years of experience. The most harmless thing is that from them it is a stupid racketeering, or even they say directly: "if the war starts, I will kill all of you (Russians) ...". Like this.
    1. +4
      4 June 2013 16: 46
      Sergey, and many Russian guys, including on the site, say to kill all the "blacks" (although the big question is who is "black"), that now let's all overwhelm each other. Like this.
      1. +1
        5 June 2013 11: 11
        There are few such Russians, in percentage terms, but the guys from the Caucasus, such a feeling, megalomania and their exclusivity almost universally suffer. It seems that they are taught this way by the elders in the family - there are their own and there are strangers, they have to hold on to their own, and the rest can and should be deceived, humiliated, etc. as much as possible - and all for the good of their own, the main thing. Those Russians who "talked" with the guys from the Caucasus for many years often fall ill with Caucasian phobia. From here begins skinheading and so on. And why in the army "the Caucasus rules" often, with a small number, everything is so simple. Russians are not yet accustomed to the fact that there is no power, in the form in which it should be, that the law and conscience do not decide anything in relation to "not their own", that all peoples "hold on to each other" for a long time. Then there will be two options: the power will become the POWER, which thinks about the country and the people, or the Russians, too, in the end, will begin to "clump together." In the second case, it will be very bad for many diasporas who are "driving" now. Since in the first case they will simply be "rebuilt", and in the second they will be torn, and, I'm afraid, sometimes in the literal sense.
        1. 0
          6 June 2013 12: 25
          The question is not that we need to group together. Our citizens are also treated badly abroad, the word "Russian" sounds like something common to them, is it unpleasant to hear it? In the same way, because of the behavior of criminals, it is unpleasant for us to identify with the whole people, and these things should be stopped long ago. All we are talking about here is a banal behavior violation that is not punished. Violate, punish, for this there is an officer corps, and there will be no extra-statutory relations. The same is with behavior in other places, the law has been violated - adequate punishment. And everything that happens is borne out by banal lawlessness, which is then projected onto the national plane.
  19. +6
    4 June 2013 16: 27
    First, they are in training, where the command staff of them is in the Arctic, and then as a foreign legion of the Russian Federation, the world shows the power of RUSSIAN weapons to blacks and Arabs !!!
  20. +12
    4 June 2013 16: 39
    In Stavrapolye, Russians simply survive. They distribute the inscriptions "do not buy from the Russians at home, soon they will be given to us for free." I watched it on TV. And you say that in the Stavropol region, more than 80% of the Russian population.

    The problem is very serious and sooner or later it will make itself felt in a much more acute form. What exactly do I mean is up to you to decide, because they can attribute the call to extremism.
    1. 0
      6 June 2013 15: 29
      Bullshit is everything! Do not listen to anyone ...
  21. Grigorich 1962
    +1
    4 June 2013 16: 41
    DAGESTANISTS TO UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN CHIPS AND TD .... ONLY FOR THIS AUTHORITY TO CREATE CONDITIONS. In Dagestan, as everywhere there are excellent parties, so it sucks
  22. Avenger711
    +9
    4 June 2013 16: 46
    There is nothing to call them. Weapons should be for Russians only. Otherwise, if something happens, this whole contingent, which the automatic was taught to keep, will have to be crushed by the tanks themselves. Whoever has weapons has real power.
  23. +3
    4 June 2013 16: 46
    All, under one comb, revenge is also not worth it. My son’s friend returned from the army, he told me that they also had a couple of dugs in the draft. and says nothing, normal guys are not without ambition of course. truth and the company was sensible, broke off all who tried to build something from themselves, despite their nationality.
    Sorry of course, but I can’t believe that the heels of Caucasians can build the whole part. Maybe all the same it’s worth kicking not Caucasians at least sometimes, but those under whose command they serve.
    1. 0
      5 June 2013 09: 29
      "Sorry, of course, but I can't believe that a heel of Caucasians can build the whole part."

      Therefore, they made restrictions so that there would be no more than 2-5, to the part.
  24. tverskoi77
    +5
    4 June 2013 16: 47
    The Committee of Soldiers' Mothers anneals to the fullest) why are you taking the kids to the army, now why aren’t you picking them up? Apparently they also work out bread from North American dollars.
    And what kind of officers are they? As far as I know, education is carried out by the Ministry of Education and Culture, and the re-education of the FSIN.
    The first thing to restore order in the Army is to disperse the committee of soldiers' mothers. And, in the Charter to prescribe that service is not only for physically healthy, and most importantly for healthy in spirit, and worthy people.
  25. Ghost of darkness
    +13
    4 June 2013 17: 03
    Draw conclusions yourself gentlemen, it is necessary by law, that means it should serve, only without any discounts and like all other citizens of Russia !!!
    1. +4
      4 June 2013 17: 16
      Quote: Ghost of the Dark
      Conclusions do it yourself gentlemen


      Draw conclusions.

      my village was liberated in 43. On the mass grave of more than a hundred names every third yang, oev, shvili, aev and others.

      About deserters it’s good, but how many were killed for Russian villages and villages.
      1. 0
        5 June 2013 09: 32
        And how many Russians have died! ???
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    1. itkul
      +3
      4 June 2013 17: 33
      Quote: Rattenfanger
      Conclusion: it is not the Dagi / Czechs / Ingush who are to blame, but the mom-dad, who are growing an asexual creature instead of a man.


      Why asexual?
      here is one of the cases

      http://www.blog.i-balans.ru/artem_harlamov/

      On June 23, Junior Sergeant Artyom Kharlamov died in the Pechenga Military Hospital. Doctors could not save him from a closed head injury, as well as according to some Adam's apple fractures.

      24-year-old Artyom, a native of the city of Kirovsk (Murmansk region), was called up for service in the RF Armed Forces on December 10, 2009. According to the distribution, he came to serve in the reconnaissance company 200 OMSBR (military unit 08275), which is deployed in Pechenga itself (the so-called 10-ka). Artem was a candidate for master of sports (CCM) in boxing, the commander of the department, a junior sergeant, an excellent student of service, and just a good guy.

      According to preliminary information, Artyom was beaten by a group of colleagues of Caucasian ethnicity (which are plentiful in the Pechenga brigade), which led to his subsequent death.
      1. +1
        4 June 2013 18: 53
        No need to juggle. You understand perfectly well that we are not talking about one concrete soldier, but about conscripts in general. Some go to clubs and sit online for XNUMX hours, drinking Yaga, while others fall asleep and wake up with the thought of training. Now most of the recruits ten times Where do you get your self-confidence and physical condition?
        Some parents from childhood say, "Don't give up, no matter what happens! Be a man!" And friend, "Vasya, it's not good to fight! Don't argue, give in, don't get involved", etc.
        The rhinos are raised by the fathers. And our slobber-moms in half the cases. That's the result.
      2. 0
        6 June 2013 12: 54
        Where did the colleagues look? I will give you another case: my younger brother (Circassian) ended up in Volzhsky, after six months of service in training in the engineering troops. From his words, the first thing that was expressed to him by those Russian colleagues was that you won’t last long here. No sooner said than done. He was brutally beaten and could not get out of bed for 3 days. As he later said, it was such a part, God forbid anyone touch a finger, immediately dismantling the commander. So in the morning divorce, he stood waist-deep in bruises and bruises, the commander brazenly passed, and did not even ask what had happened. And what was to be done in that case? Or you, or they. Fortunately, one Dagestani, a former colleague in training, arrived in the unit a day later, since this guy as he saw him in this condition took off his backpack, went to the city and came with several people (also Dagestanis), and all the perpetrators were quickly put in place. And in the future normal relations developed with both. Conclusions: When the disassembly took place, where the commanders looked: the answer is they are worms without any authority among the employees. All of this could have been corny to prevent normal management in parts and normal attitude. These were stupid 18-year-old guys, everything happens in life, the mind does not immediately come, but the fact that everything starts to drift, this is the result.
        1. Misantrop
          +1
          6 June 2013 13: 00
          Quote: Rustam09
          Conclusions: When the disassembly took place, where the commanders looked: the answer is they are worms without any authority among the employees. All of this could have been corny to prevent; there would be normal leadership in parts and normal attitude.

          The case is quite typical, but the conclusions ... Can you tell me HOW EXACTLY the leadership could influence the relations between the soldiers, if the leadership was deprived of ALL the leverage it had before? To threaten with a finger? So even in this case, the nearest "committee of nulliparous mothers" will arrange screaming. If you want effective leadership, give the officers at least some opportunity to provide this leadership
          1. 0
            6 June 2013 19: 29
            If the commander does not have levers, the levers grow in the soldiers themselves, in the form of such showdowns. Someone cheated on the site by writing about the lack of leverage and the "committee of nulliparous mothers", others immediately picked up in chorus. There are enough levers, there is a military prosecutor's office (there are no Caucasians there), there is a lip, in the future a penal battalion. Who wants to, he puts things in order, and as a bad dancer knows, something between the legs always interferes.
            1. Misantrop
              0
              7 June 2013 11: 50
              Quote: Rustam09
              there is a military prosecutor’s office (there are no Caucasians there), there is a lip, in the future a penal battalion.
              The military prosecutor's office prefers to pinch the officers on any occasion; the soldiers are of little interest to it. And an officer who addresses his subordinates with applications can immediately put an end to his future career. Not a single boss needs such a subordinate and fuck, he will get rid of in any way in the near future. Guardhouse? Where is she? It was canceled several years ago. At least that's what they told me. In Ukraine, at least. Extraordinary service outfits? And who will you scare them when the attendants on the fleet do not change for weeks (there is simply no one to replace, the shortage is wild), and instead of three orderlies in the barracks, one now takes over (for the same reason). Well, about the penal battalion, even you write that it is "in perspective" ...
    2. tol
      +3
      4 June 2013 17: 48
      Interestingly, you reason, the point is that they stick together, and the Russians are separate, And what do you think when they hold the whole parts, are also parents? when healthy officers with experience (wars, etc.) can not do anything))
      1. +7
        4 June 2013 18: 46
        Quote: tol
        when healthy officers with experience (wars, etc.) can not do anything))

        Were you in the army at all? If in the unit there are normal officers, there is no lawlessness, no black suit. Officers with experience of participation can not do anything? Well, well ... The contrabands who found "black wars" in the regiment (some In the late 90s, early 2000s, he drove into the regiment, then the PDP, almost half of the blacks), told how the officers themselves hammered them. Right on the parade ground, half and half, and were cut.
        Quote: tol
        Interestingly, you reason, the point is that they stick together, and the Russians are separate, And what do you think when they hold the whole parts, are also parents?

        No, the good wizard Goodwin should explain to them that they need to stick together and that there are situations when it is better to die than turn on the back.
        The parents are to blame. IMHO.
        1. +1
          5 June 2013 09: 48
          Situations are different ... One person can use his fists, another barrel, and the third can avoid conflict due to sociability and mental stability. So DO NOT, about the situation.
  27. annenkov242
    0
    4 June 2013 17: 18
    Quote: sanek45744
    m yes (((((I read comments and I understand how many cowards that write that there’s nothing to call from the Caucasus !!!!! that you are turning a chorus of bunny boys from the army !!!! !!! difficulties must be solved and you need to be ready !!! and not leave them !! and if you’re just afraid to solve them, you don’t have a place in the army and other structures !!!!!


    What are you minus for ??? It is said correctly! The officer is afraid of "mothers advice". Grachev, Swan - some birds, crows and next to a stool, what are you talking about !? all ideals are sold and betrayed. We completely forgot ourselves in boasting of beautiful words. I am ashamed for the OFFICER'S HONOR !!!
  28. +9
    4 June 2013 17: 20
    Quote: Rattenfanger
    Conclusion: it is not the Dagi / Czechs / Ingush who are to blame, but the mom-dad, who are growing an asexual creature instead of a man.

    I agree, it’s a shame to hear that a couple of Dugs are building a couple of dozen Russian boys in the barracks. The question arises, what kind of boys are these, if they cannot stand up for themselves.
    But, according to some comments, give free rein, tear America to tear on the British flag in 5 minutes.
    1. +1
      4 June 2013 19: 00
      Quote: Russ69
      But, according to some comments, give free rein, tear America to tear on the British flag in 5 minutes.

      Most of all militancy is usually among those who "I did not serve, but I have an objective reason! And that's how I wanted ..."
      My opinion and not necessarily true. (C)
    2. Misantrop
      0
      6 June 2013 13: 05
      Quote: Russ69
      But, according to some comments, give free rein, tear America to tear on the British flag in 5 minutes.

      Well, they themselves answered. To demand a result, you must first be given the opportunity to work. Now the officers do not hold their hands in front of the entrance to the barracks. Right - no, one duties
  29. +1
    4 June 2013 17: 34
    He made a golden conclusion! Everything is correct. Wrote perfectly. I support and urgently prohibit the committees of soldiers' mothers who did not give birth to children ...
  30. tol
    +1
    4 June 2013 17: 40
    Who interferes, call, but let the person serve in the region!
    1. +1
      6 June 2013 12: 59
      Bro, at one time they divided "into yours and yours" -Yeltsin- "take sovereignty as much as you like", the result is Chechnya requires independence, the central government is useless, we still rake it out, and your slogan is: "Who interferes, call, but let the person serves in his region! " from the same opera.
  31. +13
    4 June 2013 17: 46
    He served with the Dagestanis, Chechens (85-87 years, the Air Force, Baikonur) - they respect only strength and cohesion. And all are physically developed, not notorious. The weak near them is no place.
    In the Internal Forces there are a lot of recruits and officers from the Caucasus recently.
    Such a small quota is an indicator of weakness and not a mind of power. And society.
    They behave as they are allowed to. Everyone who shouts belligerently here had no direct dealings with them,
    probably.
    Be strong in body and soul - and it will not matter to whom you serve: with a Caucasian or a skinhead.
    1. Lakkuchu
      +5
      4 June 2013 18: 38
      Quote: Des10
      He served with the Dagestanis, Chechens (85-87 years, the Air Force, Baikonur) - they respect only strength and cohesion. And all are physically developed, not notorious. The weak near them is no place.

      Quote: Des10
      Be strong in body and soul - and it will not matter to whom you serve: with a Caucasian or a skinhead.

      That's right, I say as a Dagestan. Yes, we respect people who are strong in spirit and body, especially in the spirit, because in a weak body there is also an unbending spirit. Strength and cohesion are two of the most important and necessary qualities that were forged for centuries by the very conditions of life in severe mountains, in the most difficult conditions of the highlands only the strongest, physically strong and healthy survive. Cohesion is a necessary condition for the survival of small nations, only cohesion made it possible to survive the constant invasions of powerful numerous enemies. Of course, the Russians, who were always millions and who were never threatened with complete extinction, were hard to understand, hence the misunderstanding and condemnation.
      1. +1
        5 June 2013 10: 11
        Your right to respect or not respect strength of mind, cohesion, etc. But you must respect the law. In the 70s and 80s, let’s say the guys from the Vologda village getting into one part to serve also respected honor, fortitude, there were also community members, etc., but there were no problems of this magnitude. This is not a matter of cowardice or heroism, it is a matter of common sense.
        1. Misantrop
          +1
          6 June 2013 13: 10
          Quote: yllo
          But you must respect the law.

          They respect him. But only if it is the LAW (i.e., for its failure to be torn, like a Tuzik heating pad). And on the whole mountain of little tips, not worth the paper on which they are printed, they spat on a high hill. They are not used to the law with their head, but with the spine they are used to feeling. Historically, otherwise it was not possible to survive
    2. 0
      6 June 2013 13: 01
      Totally agree with you!
  32. Ghost of darkness
    +3
    4 June 2013 17: 50
    Quote: vorobey
    Draw conclusions.

    my village was liberated in 43. On the mass grave of more than a hundred names every third yang, oev, shvili, aev and others.

    About deserters it’s good, but how many died for Russian villages and villages


    it’s funny even a little your comparison, which can be discussed forever .. and how many Slavs died? or did they also have to pounce and run away? maybe religion does not allow to take arms in hand? how to poop on the monuments so we are the first ..
    1. +5
      4 June 2013 18: 00
      Quote: Ghost of Darkness
      Quote: vorobey
      Draw conclusions.

      my village was liberated in 43. On the mass grave of more than a hundred names every third yang, oev, shvili, aev and others.

      About deserters it’s good, but how many died for Russian villages and villages


      it’s funny even a little your comparison, which can be discussed forever .. and how many Slavs died? or did they also have to pounce and run away? maybe religion does not allow to take arms in hand? how to poop on the monuments so we are the first ..


      My comparison may be ridiculous, but how many Slavs are pissing now and right here. caucasus force. , dawn.

      Call and educate, work. from sergeant to general. and inappropriately disturb freaks and people in one heap. or few Dudaev’s Slavs were cut against their own, Or were Ukrainians in 2008 not Slavs on the Georgian side?
  33. +2
    4 June 2013 17: 55
    In 1988 I saw an engineer battalion at 90% of Uzbeks (who remembers the SA, Caucasians are children compared to them). In 1995 I saw an escort battalion of XV at 95% from Dagestanis (each platoon has one Russian), in both cases the officers are Slavs. there was no trace of fraternity at all! True, some officers were afraid to go into the barracks after the lights out, but the majority did not, but discipline was kept on fists! By the way, single Russians suffered if in accordance with their service life! Conclusion-formation of mono-ethnic units, preferably separate!
  34. +3
    4 June 2013 17: 55
    Quote: Kovrovsky
    Nizhny Novgorod region, the village of Mulino.

    Oooh !!! Mulino! "The fun part" When our column of Urals (conscripts) entered the division, we were immediately driven into the club to show videos about Mulino. Tin ..... we from Dzerzhinka sent all the frostbite to that place, even from Vityaz they got there ... Some of them served in Khabar under the regime.
  35. Owl
    +2
    4 June 2013 17: 58
    It is necessary to restore the Soviet (model of the 70s-80s of the last century) system of pre-conscription training (especially in central Russia), to restore (everywhere) the military-patriotic education of the younger generation in the spirit of the unity of the peoples of Russia and common for all nationalities, Victory over the enemy (both in the Great Patriotic War and in the ongoing war with our opponents: the USA, Great Britain, France, countries of fundamental Islam), restore the system of rewards and penalties (punishments) in the country's Armed Forces (guardhouse, disciplinary battalion), impose restrictions on the device to the state. service for persons who do not want to do military service in combat units, to toughen criminal liability for hazing, draft evasion and desertion, to evenly distribute the national conscription contingent among subdivisions and military units, in order to prevent the formation of "diasporas" in battalion companies and in military units, to return the closure of the Army, Navy, Border Troops, Internal Troops from "human rights defenders" and all sorts of "mothers" who mainly feed on our enemies and have the task of ruining and hindering the fulfillment of the Sacred Duty by the citizens of Russia. During my studies at the Ordzhonikidze VOKU and in the subsequent service in the ranks of the Soviet Army, I did not divide my colleagues along ethnic lines, fools and bastards were in every nationality, but everyone considered themselves to be the defenders of the Motherland.
  36. Warrawar
    +7
    4 June 2013 18: 00
    Caucasians are very different. I served with Caucasians. There were also quite sane guys, there were undefiners. Personally, I have developed a good relationship with everyone, even friends have remained to this day.
    Then they said "the weak do not belong with them" - it's true. But I would paraphrase this phrase a little - There is no place for the weak in the army at all. It's just that among Caucasians there is a much larger percentage of well-trained guys and they know how to rally. But the recruitment among Russians, Tatars, etc. is lame - they take just anyone, so this visibility is created.
    It is not necessary to call in the troops of cripples and it is necessary to develop their children from birth - then there will be no such problems.
  37. +7
    4 June 2013 18: 00
    Yes, ofiget Russians in Russia are 80 percent, well, how much percent of Caucasians from the remaining 20% ​​??? for 1 Caucasian 9 Russians. It all depends on the commander. In general, the ideal option is to control if this commander is a deputy, a Muslim.
    Everyone who calls for refusing to call from the Caucasus will be exiled. Moreover, Caucasians will be taught to hold a gun maximum, they will not be allowed into higher-tech troops to say that they will grow super specialists, and they can learn how to hold a gun from the bearded. Therefore, that’s all these are atmazki, here it’s sitting drooling, let’s tear all one thing, and to calm a couple of Caucasians in part is another, to collectively put the cons one thing, and collectively give bells to the presumptuous business.
  38. +4
    4 June 2013 18: 06
    My personal experience shows that you can serve normally with the guys from Dagestan (DMB autumn 1986, Schwerin, GSVG, motorized rifles).
    1. 0
      6 June 2013 13: 06
      Alexey You could serve normally, for one simple reason - you are a normal person!
  39. place
    -1
    4 June 2013 18: 08
    Create soldier collective farms, let the bread grow for the army, you look and come in handy ...
    1. 0
      6 June 2013 13: 08
      alexander -sito. Create collective farms for yourself and be useful to yourself; there are no slaves for you.
  40. +2
    4 June 2013 18: 11
    Quote: Warrawar
    Weak in the army does not belong.

    Yes. Original. Thank you.
  41. +5
    4 June 2013 18: 12
    Military service is the sacred duty of a citizen.
    But worthy citizen.
    Everyone cannot be called up, why in the Russian army are nationalists-religious and other extremists, criminals, etc.
    Well, let at least someone tell me intelligently to x ... are they there?
    And if at present there are a lot of such people in the Caucasus, then they have no place in the army.
    And this is the problem of the Caucasus. Educate your djigits better.
    And the commanders should have real levers of power to pacify the animals in the barracks. Discipline in the army, by definition, should be much higher than in civilian life. We have complete democracy in this matter. request . They can’t beat their faces, the guardian himself will be whistled for military discipline, despite the fact that he may have pacified the most unbridled person.
    So, gentlemen, do the real levers of power: a disciplinary court in each unit, garrison, military police, a guardhouse in each separate unit (even Suvorov said: "I occupied a city - put up a guardhouse!"
    Cattle who don’t want to serve properly from the army — you don’t want, bastard, to serve conscientiously in good faith, trying to scoff at your colleagues, shift the hardships and deprivations onto others — pay a considerable fine and go digging land in a civilian with a loss of rights!
    But, unfortunately, neither the farts (what can I get from him, other than atsing?), Nor the other leaders of the real measures to strengthen order and discipline.
    That's just not to call the Caucasus belay, and immediately it will be good - quiet and smooth.
    Ostriches with a head stuck in ... sand.
    Shame, and only.
  42. +4
    4 June 2013 18: 14
    Quote: Russ69
    I agree, it’s a shame to hear that a couple of Dugs are building a couple of dozen Russian boys in the barracks. The question arises, what kind of boys are these, if they cannot stand up for themselves. But, according to some comments, give free rein, tear America to tear on the British flag in 5 minutes.

    Yes, that’s not the point .... The fact is that if you have to fight with the West, that state of affairs, mobilization, etc. Everything will be different!!! And the Caucasians, they cry one by one and pray on their knees! Only the crowd they are power! And if there are only three of them, then they will attack in a quiet one, at night after the lights out, they will drive a feather into the stomach! I didn’t want to write, but in my call I somehow got into the military hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia (a wound to the head). With me in the corridor through three chambers from me lay a guy who had forgotten how to speak and pissed under himself! His psyche was broken for life and fate, too .. He served in the military unit 40-00 of our valiant internal troops, where, by a lucky chance, 80-85% of the dugs were in the company! After the lights out, they put the kid on a stool, put his head in the noose and lifted! Saved the company commander who managed to get out of the loop !!! All this happened in the appeal of spring 2008 --- spring 2009 ... Draw conclusions.
    1. +1
      6 June 2013 13: 15
      Alexander, if you say, "And the Caucasians, they are crying one at a time and on their knees praying! Only they are strong in a crowd!", Then why are many here squealing and complaining that a handful of Caucasians put a whole part? If such heroes, then restrain them, why did you find only one way out - not to call?
  43. Warrawar
    +1
    4 June 2013 18: 18
    Quote: SIBIR38RUS
    And the Caucasians, they cry one by one and pray on their knees!

    I do not agree with you. The character and preparation of these guys are usually at their best and they will at least be no worse than the rest.
    In general, in the army, it does not matter who you are Russian or Dagestani, your personal qualities play the main role. There is a proverb "For good people, the army is like a mother, and for bad people, like a stepmother."
    1. +4
      4 June 2013 18: 34
      In our "Panthers", Dagi and Chechens, and other Caucasians, wrote reports, complaints and begged for transfer from ODON to any units and troops, just to be away from the Panthers and Knight !!! laughing laughing laughing We trained them like dogs. They ate pork and we washed the floors !!! They boomed at us like wolves but were afraid to rush!
      1. Warrawar
        +2
        4 June 2013 22: 31
        Quote: SIBIR38RUS
        In our "Panthers", Dagi and Chechens, and other Caucasians, wrote reports, complaints and begged for transfer from ODON to any units and troops, just to be away from the Panthers and Knight !!! We trained them like dogs. They ate pork and washed the floors !!! They snarled at us like wolves but were afraid to rush!

        Well, that's because you had a "special" interest in them. But you must admit that some guy from the Kemerovo hinterland, who by the age of 18 did not lift anything heavier than a glass of moonshine, would not look better in their place. Or rather, he would not even have got into the "Vityaz" and "ODON", but was sent straight to the Railroad to lay sleepers.
  44. +2
    4 June 2013 18: 24
    He is a lawless man and a lawless man in the army, no matter what kind of tribe he is.
  45. +5
    4 June 2013 18: 33
    Quote: annenkov242
    Quote: sanek45744
    m yes (((((I read comments and I understand how many cowards that write that there’s nothing to call from the Caucasus !!!!! that you are turning a chorus of bunny boys from the army !!!! !!! difficulties must be solved and you need to be ready !!! and not leave them !! and if you’re just afraid to solve them, you don’t have a place in the army and other structures !!!!!


    What are you minus for ??? It is said correctly! The officer is afraid of "mothers advice". Grachev, Swan - some birds, crows and next to a stool, what are you talking about !? all ideals are sold and betrayed. We completely forgot ourselves in boasting of beautiful words. I am ashamed for the OFFICER'S HONOR !!!

    Minus, because most of those who left here their comments against the draft from the Caucasus signed their own cowardice in front of them, as well as those officers who serve in the army. where did your "spirit" of a warrior and "invincibility" go ??? In the comments of the Caucasians, we bend over in hundreds, and when it comes down to it, then the trace is gone, no one can be found.
  46. AleCo
    +1
    4 June 2013 18: 33
    Quote: agbykov
    My personal experience shows that you can serve normally with the guys from Dagestan (DMB autumn 1986, Schwerin, GSVG, motorized rifles).

    Now your personal experience does not roll, time is different, the country is different, people are different.
    1. piwnik22rus
      +1
      4 June 2013 20: 19
      Then under the USSR everything was different. Now there is no such thing. I myself take pisyagu "small in the USSR and woke up in" new Russia "
  47. +3
    4 June 2013 18: 45
    Let's look back:
    Khasavyurt agreements - joint statement of August 31 1996 years representatives of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Ichkeria on the development of "Principles for determining the foundations of relations between the Russian Federation and the Chechen Republic" ...
    That's where it was state surrender - Russia before the Caucasian bandits, which was projected onto all the peoples of the Caucasus and not only.
    This left a trace of Russia's weakness and betrayal by the EBN elite of internal security interests.
    The Caucasus understands only power. This was proved back in the 1820s by General A.P. Ermolov.
    The modern peoples of the Caucasus do not need separation from Russia, but there is creeping separatism and a manifestation of superiority over the “rotten” policy of the state.
    In the Caucasus, Russia has two paths, either to separate or to pass the path of A.P. Ermolov again.
    1. Owl
      +1
      5 June 2013 05: 06
      For a long time, since 2003, it is necessary again to clean the Caucasus with fire and sword, bayonet and butt. It is necessary to start from the "top", if for several years already refugees from the Chechen Republic (Chechens) have appeared, then this makes one think that if Chechens are fleeing from the Chechens, then it is not the nationality, but the "leaders" that matters.
  48. 0
    4 June 2013 19: 40
    Until they introduce tough and fair laws, including the death penalty, legal protection of officers, so that the troops have special units with wide capabilities, up to the use of weapons and, most importantly, a change of system
  49. piwnik22rus
    +3
    4 June 2013 19: 41
    It’s better to stay at home in the mountains. They don’t need in the army. When there are a lot of them they are arrogant and greyhound.
    1. 0
      6 June 2013 20: 13
      Quote: piwnik22rus
      It’s better to stay at home in the mountains. They don’t need in the army. When there are a lot of them they are arrogant and greyhound.

      I assure you they don’t need your fucking army either; there is no need to serve such fascists there.
  50. vlad tanks
    -2
    4 June 2013 19: 43
    Dagestan border detachments on the Tajik-Afghan border
    1. piwnik22rus
      +2
      4 June 2013 20: 01
      Remember dag double bass cracked on the outpost of Sobr from Altai. This was a year ago. He killed five officers.
  51. Master Tactician
    +4
    4 June 2013 19: 51
    Even though Serdyukov was a complete freak who destroyed an already collapsed army, I would shake his hand for minimizing conscription from the Caucasus. He was able to solve at least one eternal problem in our army.
    But Mr. Ivashiov seems to have no idea what these “strong guys” are like
    It’s easy to blame everything on commanders and superiors, but you can’t put an officer over everyone to watch them 24/7.
    For some reason, no one is proposing to cancel the conscription of Russians, perhaps because Russians approach conflicts more intelligently and rarely go to extremes.
    And as if there are no strong guys among the Russians? It’s just that their fists don’t itch.
    Gentlemen from the south not only ignore any written or unwritten rules, but also usually “serve” while lying on the bed. Claims that he will learn something there and then join the militants are absolutely unfounded, because they are asking to join the army solely to get a military license, but alas, they do not plan to do anything in this very army.
    So why do we need soldiers who not only just take up space but are also objects of increased threat to others.
    Anyone who had the “honor” to communicate with them knows what kind of character these people have - they can interpret any word as an insult, or they can silently decide to train their fists on someone.
    Maybe not all of them are like this, but if you receive a shipment of defective goods, you will not rummage through the entire shipment in search of non-defective copies, you will simply send it back.
    And if such batches come to you from time to time, then you simply refuse the services of the supplier, no matter what noodles he hangs on your ears.
    1. piwnik22rus
      +3
      4 June 2013 20: 12
      They only respect their fists. And when the opportunity arises, they immediately run to the AWOL and the military prosecutor’s office.
      1. 0
        6 June 2013 20: 16
        Quote: piwnik22rus
        They only respect their fists. And when the opportunity arises, they immediately run to the AWOL and the military prosecutor’s office.
        Obviously you don’t have these fists, like a man with a small pussy dreams of a big dick, you sit here and fantasize. And about the one who runs to the prosecutor’s office and is without permission, there is sooooo much doubt!
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  53. Master Tactician
    +3
    4 June 2013 20: 24
    And this is also a problem, if you snitch on them, not only will everyone consider you an informer, but your fellow countrymen may beat you up or even kill you. And whoever knocks on them, no one will say a word, but they will say that their fellow countrymen will “help” in the same way.
    They don’t respect sergeants and officers, and therefore if you don’t stand over them 24/7, it doesn’t matter how powerful the company/unit commander is.
  54. Master Tactician
    +2
    4 June 2013 20: 37
    Quote: alert_timka
    Quote: annenkov242
    Quote: sanek45744
    m yes (((((I read comments and I understand how many cowards that write that there’s nothing to call from the Caucasus !!!!! that you are turning a chorus of bunny boys from the army !!!! !!! difficulties must be solved and you need to be ready !!! and not leave them !! and if you’re just afraid to solve them, you don’t have a place in the army and other structures !!!!!


    What are you minus for ??? It is said correctly! The officer is afraid of "mothers advice". Grachev, Swan - some birds, crows and next to a stool, what are you talking about !? all ideals are sold and betrayed. We completely forgot ourselves in boasting of beautiful words. I am ashamed for the OFFICER'S HONOR !!!

    Minus, because most of those who left here their comments against the draft from the Caucasus signed their own cowardice in front of them, as well as those officers who serve in the army. where did your "spirit" of a warrior and "invincibility" go ??? In the comments of the Caucasians, we bend over in hundreds, and when it comes down to it, then the trace is gone, no one can be found.


    Because those who have a head on their shoulders know the behavior of these people and in their right mind would never enter into confrontation with them.
    Those who dare usually end up in news reports about “another murder in the army”
    This does not mean that people are weak or involuntary, everyone who encountered the impudence of Caucasians, I am more than sure, wanted to bury them in the ground, having first broken everything that was possible.

    Let’s say the Russians got together and taught the Caucasians a lesson, then no one can guarantee that these Caucasians won’t squeeze someone in a bathhouse or toilet and knock the wind out of him.
    Who needs this? No!
    Will it be easier for you if they kill you for defending your honor and the honor of your friends? What about the parents?
    Therefore, no one prefers to mess with them.
    Because due to the imperfection of the law, if you try to fight back, you will either end up in disbat or in prison for murder, or you yourself may be killed or maimed.
    Nobody needs such problems.
  55. -1
    4 June 2013 20: 45
    It is necessary to find positions for Dagestan conscripts that would correspond to their level of training. There are many of them in the army and navy. You just need to approach this issue wisely, not formally.
  56. waisson
    +3
    4 June 2013 20: 57
    the Caucasus does not serve, he is building a business in the capital. How is this.....about where 70 -80 where they flew like electric brooms in sartir for insubordination. all this is democracy. benefits for the Caucasus. mothers' committees. eradication of hazing, which, having begun to eliminate, captured the Caucasus and turned it into a community and this was lawlessness. return the army to the period of the USSR, everything will fall into place
  57. -1
    4 June 2013 20: 59
    That’s right, the destiny of the Dagestanis is to graze cattle in the mountains. And we will defend our homeland without their help
  58. Abakanets
    0
    4 June 2013 22: 08
    Why take them into the army? This is training potential terrorists. Let them graze the sheep and have intercourse with them.
    1. +3
      4 June 2013 22: 15
      Quote: Abakanets
      have sex with them.


      I’m sitting here and thinking: I should lower your rating for this phrase, or give you a negative rating, or maybe both.
      Maybe in our spare time we’ll finally remember how Dagestan fought off terrorists and was at the forefront of the fight against extremism.
    2. 0
      6 June 2013 13: 21
      Why are you from Abakan so brave and hiding, you don’t even have a name under your nickname on the website. They will have sex with you and with the sheep if necessary, and for this you don’t need to be in the army.
  59. +2
    4 June 2013 22: 16
    Quote: optimist
    And recruiting them into our army means preparing future militants.

    As if they won’t learn to fight without serving in the army!
    1. +1
      4 June 2013 22: 58
      They definitely won’t learn to fight, but to kill - yes!
  60. builder
    +1
    4 June 2013 22: 58
    I served them, each individually is normal, but more than one is a problem. Maybe try scattering them one by one?
    1. +1
      4 June 2013 23: 03
      So this is the old rule of the Soviet Army.

      Either equip the entire company (battalion) with them (as in construction battalions) or scatter them into units (objects).
  61. +6
    4 June 2013 23: 16
    Honestly? Why the hell they are not needed. They go to Russia, clearly understanding that they can do whatever they want here. And they won’t get anything for it, as long as they have enough money to buy it. We sell ourselves. For bribes we allow them to shoot with injuries on the streets, for bribes we let them leave the scene of an accident, for bribes we get them off in the courts. And their bribes are our taxes. Because they have nowhere to get more money from, because they are tired of working.
    1. 0
      6 June 2013 13: 25
      Alexey, it’s clear that you have a too simplified opinion about Caucasians, apparently you only know them from the news and via the Internet. Come, let's get to know each other, in the good sense of the word.
  62. +3
    4 June 2013 23: 19
    GreatRussia SU
    I served as a conscript with this “conscript contingent”. The first year “I don’t understand Russian”, the second - “Allah doesn’t allow me to work”...

    I wonder what would happen to such a conscript in the army of a Muslim country or the US army if, instead of following orders, he began to refer to Allah?
    1. 0
      6 June 2013 22: 18
      Quote: ia-ai00
      GreatRussia SU
      I served as a conscript with this “conscript contingent”. The first year “I don’t understand Russian”, the second - “Allah doesn’t allow me to work”...

      I wonder what would happen to such a conscript in the army of a Muslim country or the US army if, instead of following orders, he began to refer to Allah?

      Just let them adopt the experience of the United States instead of constantly criticizing them.
  63. OlegPatriot
    +2
    4 June 2013 23: 53
    The problem is in Russia, not in Dagestan... alas, twist the truth as you wish, but the weakness of the commander is visible even in the slit of his uniform! So let's, gentlemen, look at the ambiguity of the hucksters, and the weakness of normal and worthy Officers abandoned to the mercy of lawlessness... Well, of course everyone is afraid of the Dagestanis!? and not violations!? and problems?....
  64. +2
    5 June 2013 01: 52
    Served with this brethren on an urgent basis in the late 80s - officers chopped with an ax in the spring were collected along the roadsides - road construction corps (deployed 20000 people with headquarters in Vologda ((the largest fight of 1000 Russians and North Caucasians (without Chechens) against 1000 Central Asians) using shovels, crowbars, knives) ...
    The commandants dispersed the crowds with machine gun fire...
  65. Tao
    Tao
    0
    5 June 2013 05: 19
    Hah, and these people still want to draft Russians into the army! Yes, a normal Russian would be better as skin than as cannon fodder in the army. Hah, unless of course it's the army
    I remember in the movie Starship Troopers there was a very good punishment system.... WITH THE WHIP
  66. +2
    5 June 2013 06: 03
    Guys, I’ve been a foreman for the last 11 years. I’ve had some Dagestanis I won’t say a bad word about, it all depends on the command, you can’t help but get involved. Yes, at first they’re arrogant, but you’ll screw it up and that’s it.
  67. +1
    5 June 2013 06: 09
    Quote: Russ69
    All, under one comb, revenge is also not worth it. My son’s friend returned from the army, he told me that they also had a couple of dugs in the draft. and says nothing, normal guys are not without ambition of course. truth and the company was sensible, broke off all who tried to build something from themselves, despite their nationality.
    Sorry of course, but I can’t believe that the heels of Caucasians can build the whole part. Maybe all the same it’s worth kicking not Caucasians at least sometimes, but those under whose command they serve.

    not words but gold
  68. Ruslan Bear
    0
    5 June 2013 09: 50
    Quote: Mairos
    Beautiful words... definitely. Did you live among them? Serve with them
    I’m a mestizo, I live in Dagestan in the city of Izberbash, of course there are nationalists, but without them it’s impossible
  69. +1
    5 June 2013 12: 18
    How has the order in army collectives changed over the years and what will military prosecutors have to do in the near future? http://spec-naz.org/news/prochee/komu_meshaet_prokuror_/
  70. Svyatoslav72
    +2
    5 June 2013 13: 44
    I never considered Ivashov stupid, I watched his speeches and arguments, but here he was particularly stupid. There was such an empire, the Roman one, which demonstrated by example what can be done and what cannot be done (there were also “national” legionnaires/commanders from among the conquered peoples). Everyone knows how the Roman Empire ended, and one of the “nails in its coffin” was the legions from the enslaved peoples.
    In the USSR, service in the Army was considered honorable, until the massive recruitment of all “gov..n” and careerists (from privates to generals). Later, the Army became a breeding ground for corruption and crime, and that was the end of its defense capability; the USSR repeated the mistake of the Roman Empire.
    Everyone understands that they don’t want to join the Army now, for various reasons. People end up there unprepared, neither mentally nor morally nor physically, due to the lack of a basic system of self-preservation and development in society. Simply put, Russians have ceased to feel like a people, have lost their guidelines and priorities, have lost their sense of self-preservation and “vital energy” in self-development. AND! this is not surprising, for several centuries the Russians (Slavs/Little Russians/outskirts) were the “pulling force” and experimental subjects in achieving various small-scale personal goals for the Feudal Lords (Princes/Boyars), Monarchs/Tsars/Nobles and the General Sekov/TsKKPSS. It is impossible to exploit such potential for a long time and incompetently, and only with overvoltages and content in the “black body”.
    Once again, the Russians (Slavs) are faced with an impossible global task of quiet and humble extinction for the benefit of other peoples, for the amusement of Religious idols and in the name of Capital-Fascist interests. Due to neglect in the National Development Path, Russians are not being prepared for anything other than the role of performers-consumers-extras. Caucasians - following the National path of development, with a dominant mentality (We can do everything and we are the Masters here), religious support and the psychological stereotype of a “real man” - are more aggressive, arrogant, stupefied parasitic elements who establish their own bestial rules and orders.
    They stopped taking Caucasians into the Army so as not to raise enemies with training, to reduce the crime situation in the units and not to spread ethnic gangs throughout the territory of the Russian Federation.
    To restore order in the Caucasus (and not only), it is necessary to clearly indicate who is the Boss here and where whose place is. But! this was not done. As practice shows, “repeatedly stepping on the same rake” is not a national trait, but is a personal essence consisting of mediocrity and inferiority.
  71. +2
    5 June 2013 14: 09
    Quote: rugor
    You need to work with conscripts and this is the task of officers. The soldier must “crawl” to the barracks after classes and training. Then there will be no time for extra-articular relationships.

    I love comments like this after the deadline! Well, I just love it! Yes, your pumping is "extra-statutory"relationships, because officers and contract soldiers will not spend several hours in the scorching sun working with a company. This will be done by conscript sergeants from the second period! And our professionals will watch a movie in the barracks. Or drink beer.

    And what happened to us in classes in which conscripts commanded conscripts!
  72. 0
    5 June 2013 18: 00
    Quote: Enjoy
    Yes, your leveling up is an “extra-statutory” relationship, because officers and contract soldiers will not spend several hours in the scorching sun working with a company. This will be done by conscript sergeants from the second period! And our pros will watch movies in the barracks. Or drink beer. And what happened to us in classes where conscripts commanded conscripts!

    I agree in some ways, but in others I don’t... When I served, the discount between the “Vityaz” “Rus” units and our “ODON” was small, I personally joined the army and could do push-ups a maximum of 40 times... Run I could have done it from a maximum of 2 kilometers... But they f...ed us all the same! Time passed and I, like everyone else, began to run 9-12 km, do push-ups 250-300 times (I’m not lying about push-ups, because if you didn’t follow the order, you could refuse push-ups with... the condition... they’ll write it on your forehead w..m..o!!! and free until demobilization... Of course, in our “Dzerzhinka” surrender was like death!!!!!!!! We stood for 15-30 minutes with tears in our eyes at point-blank range lying down.... but did push-ups!!!! Conclusion: hazing in terms of beating the kidneys and piercing the skull with a stool is of course unnecessary, BUT! I am for physical training! I went through it personally.. I am grateful to my old-timers for life lessons and character development!
    1. Master Tactician
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      5 June 2013 18: 20
      Do not confuse physical training according to the program with physical training at the request of grandfathers/officers.
      The fact that the army regulations do not correspond to current realities is one thing, but nothing good will come from the fact that the sergeants put the company in a prone position or one and a half, while everyone should already fight back.
      And all this comes from the fact that commanders do not want to waste “their” time and blame everything on the sergeants/foremen from among the old-timers. Thank God, at least they don’t allow outright assault on their part (although not everywhere), but the essence does not change.
      If some situation arises, the company commander/deputy. First of all, he begins to load the sergeants/foremen, and in retaliation they load the personnel.
      Although in most cases they themselves are to blame.
      I was especially “pleased” by how they yelled at everyone at work “faster!!! faster!!! run bitches!!!” and as soon as someone twisted or broke something, they started pumping “for failure to comply with safety regulations”
      That is, they themselves force it to be violated, and in the end it’s still the soldiers who are to blame.
      Well, as I said at the beginning - there is a daily routine, go and study, and whoever disagrees, stick your nose in the regulations and that’s it. but no.
      At the set time, soldiers usually do shit like clearing snow/sweeping and pump them up when they should be sleeping.
      Besides, these upgrades won’t make you fight any better.
      We must approach service and military training wisely, but this is definitely not about the Russian army.
      On TV they show those who don’t know how “cool” everything is, but in reality only CT units that are stationed in the Caucasus and carry out combat missions every day are capable of fighting a normal enemy.
      And 90% of conscripts only know how to take revenge and lie on the bed (this is about “heroes”, these are the topics)
      If the USA attacked us, they wouldn’t even have time to think of anything before they would be captured.
  73. +1
    6 June 2013 00: 46
    А Does Russia need the Caucasus for that kind of money? and with such hemorrhoids? Billions and billions go there like into a bottomless barrel, and there is no return and protection of the borders of our Motherland in this region. I am not a supporter of giving Russia piece by piece, and so both Crimea and Berlin were screwed, but the question arises: Is this Russia?
  74. albanech
    +1
    6 June 2013 10: 04
    Stupid step! Why refuse! You just need to use the material correctly - people - soldiers!
  75. -1
    6 June 2013 22: 40
    Quote: Chen
    Quote: MIKHAN
    (Maskhadov Dudayev, etc.) "served" the Motherland well

    Over the river, the guys from Chechnya and Dagestan fought courageously and with dignity.
    They did not lead EBN to power. And the same Dudaev is the fruit of Humpback and EBN, and not the army.

    The politics were... I agree, dirty, cynical... Only there is the concept of “Honor and Oath of the Officer”... They weren’t politicians, were they?? Dudayev and Maskhadov studied very well in the military schools of the USSR..and studied and taught their subordinates to love the Motherland..and then using their knowledge (knowledge) they competently and technically destroyed those with whom they served..and “loved the Motherland.”.and their people they put it on the altar of their ambitions..There is no forgiveness for them..I think..!!
  76. +1
    16 June 2013 19: 35
    Quote: Lechik2000
    Served with this brethren on an urgent basis in the late 80s - officers chopped with an ax in the spring were collected along the roadsides - road construction corps (deployed 20000 people with headquarters in Vologda ((the largest fight of 1000 Russians and North Caucasians (without Chechens) against 1000 Central Asians) using shovels, crowbars, knives) ...
    The commandants dispersed the crowds with machine gun fire...

    As you put it, there is a “brotherhood” in your family; in the Caucasus, the issue of same-sex marriage and relationships is not on the agenda.

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