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L. Ivashov: “Refusal from draftees from Dagestan is a step towards its separation from Russia”

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L. Ivashov: “Refusal from draftees from Dagestan is a step towards its separation from Russia”

Not in these guys lies the danger, but in power, the expert believes


A strange anomaly was formed in Dagestan. Something is not happening there with young people, something that sincerely frightens even the new Minister of Defense Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu, who is actually a terrified comrade - he saw a lot of things when he was head of the Emergencies Ministry.

And what else, if not fear, can be explained by the decision of the Ministry of Defense to establish a quota for the appeal of an 800 man for an almost three million region? For comparison: in the neighboring Stavropol Territory with approximately the same population, the draft conscription plan has already drawn up 4000 recruits. At the same time, according to the census data available, the Russian population in the Stavropol region is about 80% of the total, while Dagestan does not have such a pronounced national dominant.

However, Daitbeg Mustafayev, the military commissar, is trying to reassure: “Taking into account delays, health conditions and other circumstances, Dagestan could only give the Armed forces of the country 25 – 30 thousands of tough guys this spring, but so far these are quotas for the republic. We hope that, as in the best of times, thousands of people will be called up from 4 – 5 from Dagestan. ”

Hope dies last, but here it is not she who is before us - the military commissar’s hope - but his obvious slyness, since he is certainly well known for the real reason for this “condescension” of the center to Dagestan and other republics of the North Caucasus. The bureaucracy - be it civil or military - does not like to create problems for itself, that’s the whole secret. And hot Caucasian guys are a real and inevitable threat to army-wide discipline, especially in those parts where whole diasporas are created. Well, there are no such “diasporas” - no, it seems like the problem itself.

The viciousness of this approach is recognized even by open opponents of "excessive militarization" - for example, the head of the "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers" Valentina Melnikova. “The level of discipline in the units depends on the commanders. Commanders and officers should work with barracks hooligans. And if they cannot do this, this is not a reason not to call up the natives of the Caucasus for the army, ”concluded the human rights activist.

But Melnikova herself, in her commentary to Nezavisimaya Gazeta, indicated that the authorities are much more serious about this perspective, when young highlanders successfully complete the necessary training in order to take good positions as a pro in the Wahhabi hierarchy ... Do we need this? The question is rhetorical.

But what to do with a shortage of troops is not rhetorical, but the most vital, only it seems that responsible uncles with asterisks on shoulder straps do not care. But maybe the truth is now exactly what it seems, Sergei Kuzhugetovich? Well, shall we then consider then the first 140 recruits from Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria and North Ossetia, sent to military units by a good effort.

In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, a well-known military-political expert, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, reserve colonel-general Leonid Ivashov noted that the authorities are afraid, first of all, of publicly exposing their incompetence, rather than aggravating interethnic relations in military units:

- Yes, these fears are not justified by anything, we simply can’t bring order in anything. What sphere do not take - everywhere defeat, corruption, theft. Here and in interethnic relations, too, frankly, a complete mess going on. Not in these guys lies the danger, but in such a power, which it will not undertake, it will surely izgadit, will destroy.

After all, what is the rejection of the mass appeal of young people from the same Dagestan? So then, according to their logic, we need to abandon Dagestan itself, as well as other republics, recruits of which “do not take root” in the Russian army. But if we leave them as part of Russia and they themselves don’t want to leave anywhere, then we need to jointly establish an elementary order there. And then we once, under the sauce of “rights and freedoms”, dragged radical Islam there, special structures of Western and Muslim countries, and now all that remains is that it is shy to close our eyes to that ...

The military in the current situation, you can try to understand: they also see who will come to the army. And in the same Dagestan, a good half of young people simply cannot find themselves in this life, they are deprived of the opportunity to get a good education, to join the culture, to find a decent job ... It is clear that the youth in these conditions inevitably degrade and, of course, such draftees - not really coveted contingent for army commanders.

But it is only here that it is time to put the question: what are these commanders today? We see that the military education system is actually destroyed. But this is still no excuse. If a commander cannot restore order in his platoon or in a company, how will he fight with a real opponent if he is unable to cope with the conscripts entrusted to him?
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  1. biglow
    biglow 4 June 2013 10: 57 New
    72
    the author just doesn’t write, but where should I call the recruits from the Caucasus?
    The construction battalion and the railway troops is their limit, they are no longer suitable. They do not know how to behave, and holding a special sergeant with large fists in each unit is not an option.
    The army is now not so massive when it is necessary to rake all the draftees under the comb.
    They have nothing to do in the army, let the sheep graze in the mountains, develop agriculture
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 4 June 2013 15: 37 New
      22
      If they are not called up, then the Constitution of the Russian Federation will have to be changed!

      Let, indeed, serve as an "alternative" - ​​graze sheep, etc.

      I just wonder how the refusal of the call from Dagestan is consistent with the boastful cries of "honor of the highlander", "valiant warrior and horseman", etc.?
      Or the insult - “woman” and praise - “man” in relation to the Caucasian in Dagestan has already been canceled?
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 4 June 2013 16: 05 New
        23
        the author just doesn’t write, but where should I call the recruits from the Caucasus?
        The construction battalion and the railway troops is their limit, they are no longer suitable. They do not know how to behave, and holding a special sergeant with large fists in each unit is not an option.
        The army is now not so massive when it is necessary to rake all the draftees under the comb.
        They have nothing to do in the army, let the sheep graze in the mountains, develop agriculture

        Unfortunately, this is so.
        I served urgently with this "conscription contingent." The first year "I do not understand Russian", the second - "Allah does not allow work." Hotbed of "community" and non-statutory relations
        For com. parts truly a headache. They tried to scatter and scatter in distant parts.
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 4 June 2013 16: 43 New
        34
        It is in excellent agreement, there, in Soviet times, as well as throughout the Caucasus, local healthy foreheads did whatever they wanted, just not to serve, let the Russian Ivan plow for them. And the horseman and man they have the one who robbed more.
      3. Shveik
        Shveik 4 June 2013 18: 00 New
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        What is the honor of a mountaineer ???? To rob, force, cut, and dump back into the mountains, that’s all honor
    2. Russian
      Russian 4 June 2013 15: 46 New
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      Quote: biglow
      the author just doesn’t write, but where should I call the recruits from the Caucasus?
      The construction battalion and the railway troops is their limit, they are no longer suitable. They do not know how to behave, and holding a special sergeant with large fists in each unit is not an option.
      The army is now not so massive when it is necessary to rake all the draftees under the comb.
      They have nothing to do in the army, let the sheep graze in the mountains, develop agriculture


      Well, that's right, we have such an approach to everything! Why bother? It’s better to follow the path of least resistance, we will allocate huge subsidies to the Caucasus, this money is successfully deposited in the pockets of all kinds of Kadyrov, who are becoming more impudent every year, and they don’t deal with affairs in the republic. Before, everyone served and nothing! It is necessary to create jobs, and not ordinary ones, but highly skilled not only in Moscow, but throughout Russia, the Caucasus should take special control, because after the collapse of the union, they now only understand the power, so we need to demonstrate it. Then there will be no extremism there.
      I read that before the Russian emperors there was protection from the Circassians, in my opinion, I won’t say for sure, but they certainly were considered to be the most incorruptible and loyal from the Caucasus immigrants, so you need to deal with these issues, and not pump up money bags of local kings.
      1. optimist
        optimist 4 June 2013 16: 02 New
        41
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Well, that's right, we have such an approach to everything! Why bother?

        Here at least bother, at least not. This problem can only be solved radically. Let's face it: Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia, cut off "slices." Russian laws do not apply there, and only war and trade are considered male occupations. And the frantic loot of subsidies, is, in fact, the same continuum. And yesterday’s militants, security guards of a cadir who you know what you did in the 90s. Over the past 20 years, a generation of real animals has grown there, who perceive a good attitude towards them as fear of them. To act according to the methods of IV Stalin, our power is asleep: what does the "civilized world" say ??? It’s also impossible to separate, the second “Syria” is provided at its side. To educate is useless. So our power is being bought off from solving this problem. And recruit them into our army, to prepare future militants. Some here say that they go there from poverty. And not a damn like that !!! How many cases were there when the guzzled sons of local bais left for the mountains ... It's not about the money, it's the mentality! How many wolves do not feed, and the elephant still has more eggs! laughing
        1. yllo
          yllo 4 June 2013 16: 17 New
          +5
          I completely agree with your words. +
        2. alexkross83
          alexkross83 4 June 2013 18: 13 New
          10
          The recent detention of the mayor of Makhachkala suggests that not everything is so clear about indemnities, believe me, all these territories are controlled. As for the draft, so let them be in their own republic and in full view, otherwise Russia is big ... you can get lost in it after the draft. Let them stop rooted where they grew up.
      2. enot555
        enot555 4 June 2013 20: 41 New
        +1
        Russian
        Before, Russian emperors had security from the Circassians, in my opinion, I won’t say for sure, but they certainly were considered the most incorruptible and loyal from the natives of the Caucasus


        Well, at the expense of integrity, you got excited, many people love money very much and will not stop at nothing for money
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      3. zennon
        zennon 4 June 2013 21: 24 New
        +3
        I don’t know about security. It’s possible. But the Caucasian native cavalry division in World War I was. 1% consisted of Muslim volunteers - natives of the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia, which, like all the native inhabitants of the Caucasus and Central Asia, are The Russian Empire was not subject to military draft. 90 brigades were loving, each grouped according to nationality. The officers were Russian nobles, and Colonel Yakov Davidovich Yuzefovich, Lithuanian Tatar of the Mohammedan religion, were appointed chief of staff of the division. The Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich commanded. I must say that they fought very worthily. We took part in the Brusilovsky breakthrough. We suffered heavy losses, the composition changed several times! But there was no shortage of volunteers. All officers were awarded orders for military merit. About 3 horsemen were awarded the George Crosses and St. George medals " For courage. "Tell me, maybe it makes sense to use SUCH experience? I do not insist on the idea, but b I'm glad to read the comments.
      4. builder
        builder 4 June 2013 22: 41 New
        -1
        Well, where are the emperors?
    3. Sirocco
      Sirocco 4 June 2013 15: 48 New
      +4
      Let them serve like everyone else, only introduce a restriction, no more than two people per unit. Well, as it says at the end of the article,
      But it is only here that it is time to put the question: what are these commanders today? We see that the military education system is actually destroyed. But this is still no excuse. If a commander cannot restore order in his platoon or in a company, how will he fight with a real opponent if he is unable to cope with the conscripts entrusted to him?
      This once again confirms the fact that the fish rots from the head. When I was in my service, the unit commander fought against such manifestations as hazing and fraternity cardinally. First, Guba, then according to the blat, arranged similar heroes in the part where, every other day, to the belt.
      I will not allow dual power in the part entrusted to me.
      1. timurpl
        timurpl 4 June 2013 16: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Sirocco
        no more than two people per piece ...

        -Two is already fraternity!
        -It will be enough for one part ... All problems are resolved !!!
    4. omsbon
      omsbon 4 June 2013 16: 03 New
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      Quote: biglow
      The construction and railway troops is their limit, they are no longer suitable anywhere. They do not know how to behave

      In fact, you need to serve in any troops, but also work in the engineering.
      The trouble is that a young man from the Caucasus comes already intoxicated with the poison of Wahhabism and nationalism, confident that he is in charge here. If this crap was laid in his head from the cradle, if his father and grandfather told him about it, then the army can no longer fix it! Therefore, the issue must be resolved in Dagestan itself, changing life priorities, explaining the principles of national policy, and clarifying the foundations of mutually beneficial interethnic communication.
      There are a lot of good, honest people in Dagestan; they need to be helped so that they lead people who are not bearded, illiterate individuals who misinterpret the Koran.
      1. Quartermaster
        Quartermaster 4 June 2013 21: 47 New
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        I agree to all 100! The Ministry of Defense has its own important reasons and arguments - why teach local highlanders to fight, so that they then turn their weapons against the RA!
    5. The comment was deleted.
      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 4 June 2013 16: 31 New
        +1
        Honest Jew! Whose cow mumbled and yours was silent! Do you understand me.
        1. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu 4 June 2013 17: 14 New
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          Where without the Jews. While the Russians and the Chechens laid each other in stacks, “honest” Jews pulled Russia and laughed at both. Now the project "evil Chechen" is closed, a new "evil Dag" has opened.
      2. Rustam009
        Rustam009 4 June 2013 16: 58 New
        -2
        Correctly, an "honest Jew" you have to do now against the Caucasians, and if they finish with them, they can take on you. Judging how many pluses you already have for your brilliant statement, the conclusion is:
    6. Army1
      Army1 4 June 2013 16: 12 New
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      It is necessary to eradicate radical Islam in the republics. Under Stalin there would be no militants, they would give a command, they would not fulfill everything. It is necessary to conduct programs in schools to educate children, to plant, and it is better to execute those who clog the brains of young people, and the cultural education of generations, Homeland alone RUSSIAN FEDERATION YOU LIVE IN THE SUBJECT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, Nobody is going to break the traditions, you want to eradicate corruption, and much more another, control is needed and strong power.
      And then the phrase: "MONEY CHECHNYA GIVES ALLAH." It does not fit personally in my head.
      1. beech
        beech 4 June 2013 17: 16 New
        -1
        you come to Moscow and say it to local khachs ... you’ll leave home in zinc
    7. Vened
      Vened 4 June 2013 16: 23 New
      +5
      Immediately into a disbath, so that nerves and health would not spoil other recruits.
    8. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 4 June 2013 17: 13 New
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      what is the problem?
      since they really want to serve, then introduce a point system of violations.
      scored the "right" number of violation points - he goes home with a "wolf ticket", after which he will not be taken into any army ...
      most boobies will pick up penalties while still in training and will not fall into any part ...
      and begin to understand Russian and Allah will allow work ...
      I think so.
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 4 June 2013 18: 49 New
        +7
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        scored the "right" number of violation points - he goes home with a "wolf ticket", after which he will not be taken into any army ...

        And also on state. positions, other prestigious professions.
        Those. analogue of a white ticket.
      2. rpek32
        rpek32 5 June 2013 01: 05 New
        0
        Ragnarok Online picture. smiled wink
    9. Onotollah
      Onotollah 4 June 2013 20: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: biglow
      Buildbat

      There are still no roads to Anadyr from Magadan (if I'm not mistaken). This is where the construction of the century is, that's where you will need your hands !!
    10. Sosland
      Sosland 4 June 2013 21: 39 New
      +3
      served as a sapper bat. 93-95, I myself am from the Caucasus, the combatant MS weightlifter in my business is a pro of the highest class, the first mine clearing an incomprehensible bundle in the well, he took a picture and passed the camera down and himself for work. What a mess with someone in the unit was stripped to the waist, go one on one. The study will explain everything, the servant to the king is the father of the soldiers. Salary 0rub.00kop. I still remember respect, proud.
    11. Corsair
      Corsair 4 June 2013 23: 30 New
      0
      Quote: biglow
      They have nothing to do in the army, let the sheep graze in the mountains, develop agriculture

      Yes, they won’t graze the sheep, in the best case, join the ranks of national criminal gangs or in the worst they will become members of the gang underground, which, by their own account, is all the same. The authorities urgently need to cut this tight knot, otherwise IT will be pulled around the neck of the state. for later...
    12. honest jew
      honest jew 5 June 2013 04: 10 New
      0
      no matter how the wolf feeds, he looks into the forest !!!
      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 6 June 2013 19: 20 New
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        Quote: honest Jew
        no matter how the wolf feeds, he looks into the forest !!!
        Do not like it, go to Israel!
    13. Rustam009
      Rustam009 6 June 2013 19: 14 New
      0
      Listen to you all, you won’t get enough sheep at all, pig-eaters are bad.
    14. Rustam009
      Rustam009 6 June 2013 19: 59 New
      0
      Nobody is torn in the army. They created a vicious circle, you won’t get a job without an army. Then let them officially issue the law that without military service “you can arrange your life,” I assure you that there will not be a single Caucasian and the problem will be solved. And it turns out that they don’t take them into the army and you won’t get a job. The guys are not in demand, so get criminals and bandits later. They themselves tied a loop around his neck and we are sitting here all discussing how to save Russia from the Caucasus. As you know, any sore, including hemorrhoids, manifests itself in the presence of conditions (the wrong way of life, I speak as a doctor), therefore, we need a national policy if you want to save the country, and not get small principalities. This is where everyone is now sitting and waving their fists for their fictitious nicknames. but in reality are notorious and weak.
  2. Orel
    Orel 4 June 2013 15: 26 New
    +7
    The author raised a very complicated and painful question. To resolve this issue, we must first eliminate the division of the country on a national basis, I mean republican statuses. One country - Russia, and the point. Everywhere is your home. And it must be protected. And while we are sharing each other, the problem cannot be solved.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 4 June 2013 15: 54 New
      +2
      Changing the legal status of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation is a difficult but possible matter. It is only necessary to understand that although the Russian Federation is, de jure, an asymmetric federation, de facto it is already symmetrical. For 2000 they fixed it. A unitary state can no longer be done. riots will begin on the ground. "Cutting" the subjects differently is unrealistic and will give rise to their problems.
      Appealing to the complexities of life, which justifies what is happening in the Caucasus, is not entirely correct.
      The standard of living, often, is higher than in central Russia (Tambov, Tula). In the Caucasus, just a lot of money in the shade. Admission to the university - the exam in Ingushetia and Dagestan - is another story. They do it, just then many cannot study. If in the same Dagestan there were more teachers able to write the exam on 98-100 points - woe to other applicants ...
      The problem is that the Caucasus is a new “acquisition” by historical standards. Moreover, those regions did not know the developed statehood. This problem is not even interethnic, but civilizational. It is solved for centuries, but only with the will and understanding.
      1. Black
        Black 4 June 2013 16: 58 New
        +9
        Quote: Bronis
        It is solved for centuries, but only with the will and understanding.

        If there is a will, it is solved much faster. I know Chechnya and Dagestan 60-70 years. What kind of special banditry could there be?
        Consistent power unshakable work on the eradication of teipovism, weaning from a freebie, building a real economy. And such work is already underway. The arrest of the mayor of Makhachkala is an example.
        1. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 4 June 2013 17: 14 New
          -1
          Read the textbook of the mother tongue of the Chechen-Ingush SSR of the 70s. It directly says that the Russians are guilty of their troubles and they need to be cut.
          1. Rustam009
            Rustam009 6 June 2013 19: 45 New
            +1
            It’s interesting in which textbook did you read it, written back in the 70s, h ... don’t carry a nude if you don’t know, or did you read it in Chechen-Ingush? Fiction on the 3rd shelf on the left!
        2. Bronis
          Bronis 4 June 2013 20: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Chen
          If there is a will, it is solved much faster

          Ermolov, of course, at one time very effectively dealt with the war. But the problem as a whole has not been resolved to this day. The conflicts of recent decades are proof of this. They could not be solved even in Soviet times. As soon as the power weakens, problems begin ...
          Our culture and worldview differ quite decently. And the farther, the more - our youth grows in postmodernism and a consumer society, Caucasian, first of all, with a sense of their national identity, a kind of aggressive nationalism. If the Russians are also united, hold on to each other - then everything will calm down and there will be no weddings with shooting, beatings and killings. Guests of the Caucasus behave not as they want, but as they are allowed.
          1. builder
            builder 4 June 2013 22: 47 New
            0
            And how did Ermolov figure it out? Shamil was given money, given the rank of general, doesn’t resemble anything?
      2. Orel
        Orel 4 June 2013 17: 03 New
        +1
        Maybe you are right. But I do not agree with the liquidation of the division on a national basis. This can be done. The problem is far-fetched. When these republics were created in essence, there was no national basis for them in many cases. A simple example. When they created Bashkiria, all the Tatars were recorded there by the Bashkirs, although they were not. And there is even more interesting northern autonomy, where the indigenous population is zero point zero, but also autonomy. In the Caucasus, the situation is different, there are so many nationalities that you gasp, in Dagestan alone there are a darkness of nationalities. They will live better and calmer in a common house, they need to share less, and they may stop biting. The question is only political will. Count nationality removed from the passport. But this is half measure, you can not stop halfway.
        1. alexkross83
          alexkross83 4 June 2013 19: 06 New
          +3
          They removed the nationality of the column :-) now all the dzhigits ask the question where are you Russians from? Or maybe the descendants of the Mongoloids .... here we are "handsome" we know our genus up to the 8th tribe ... and you? I want to answer them, yes, no, we are the descendants of those who bent your ... Khazar Khaganate and fascist Germany. We do not drink vodka, but drunks and you have enough! And the darling unlike you is, not only then you feel the shoulder of five comrades !!!
    2. Rustam009
      Rustam009 4 June 2013 16: 33 New
      0
      At least someone adequate and reasonable on the site!
  3. Fidain
    Fidain 4 June 2013 15: 32 New
    +6
    It is necessary to strengthen the officer corps and the sergeant, so that the army becomes a school for everyone, so that after the army the 18-year-old boy would be proud that many friends among Russians and other nationalities would not put these not fully matured boys on the “Wahhabi needle”. So we need to work on all those who are fighting the fight against terrorism, and not give them new blood ...
  4. Manager
    Manager 4 June 2013 15: 35 New
    +3
    Yatsa (core) officers and sergeants need to have, then there will be no problems with conscripts.
    1. biglow
      biglow 4 June 2013 15: 49 New
      +7
      but what is the point of such a service if these mountaineers with the kpz haven’t been able to get out all the service that they’ve now been going out for 1 year now?
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 June 2013 15: 46 New
    10
    I think they’re doing the right thing, that they don’t call .. (Maskhadov Dudaev, etc.) well served the Motherland
    1. Andrew-001
      Andrew-001 4 June 2013 16: 17 New
      +6
      Dudaev and the like, our king Boris suggested taking as much independence as they want.
      As for the “do not call” - call, but first you need to restore order in the troops, to give commanders more rights and opportunities to exercise these rights. And then today, any punishment of a subordinate for the misconduct committed by him becomes a punishment of himself.
    2. Black
      Black 4 June 2013 17: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      (Maskhadov Dudaev, etc.) well served the Motherland

      Over the river, the guys from Chechnya and Dagestan fought courageously and with dignity.
      They did not lead EBN to power. And the same Dudaev is the fruit of Humpback and EBN, and not the army.
      1. Grenader
        Grenader 4 June 2013 17: 26 New
        +5
        Yes, not everything is so simple with Dudaev. When he was killed with him, they found a party card and a star of the Hero of the Soviet Union.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 4 June 2013 23: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: Grenader
          Yes, not everything is so simple with Dudaev. When he was killed with him, they found a party card and a star of the Hero of the Soviet Union.

          Dudaev was a strong commander and a man honest and open, and the fact that political ambitions were to blame for him SO MUCH. A whirlpool of 90x events swirled General Dudaev and made him a hostage of events.
    3. Rustam009
      Rustam009 6 June 2013 19: 42 New
      0
      Look at the root, (Maskhadov Dudaev, etc.) is not the whole Caucasus. The demand is not from them, but from Yeltsin and Berezovsky, who sold the country with giblets and allowed it.
  6. fzr1000
    fzr1000 4 June 2013 15: 47 New
    +1
    But, if the Dagestanis and others were “correctly” re-educated in units of the same motorized infantry, the result would be a very good result. "Wild" divisions of the 21st century. Nobody wants to deal with this problem.
    1. ed1968
      ed1968 4 June 2013 16: 02 New
      10
      neither Chechens nor them can be re-educated
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 4 June 2013 16: 19 New
        +7
        You can educate anyone. A particularly personal example. But with this now tension.
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 4 June 2013 16: 30 New
        11
        Quote: ed1968
        neither Chechens nor them can be re-educated


        Have you worked with these guys?
        I personally had to steer a wild division twice. When 98 people are subordinate and only 26 of them are Russian. Yes, he lived in the barracks for the first time. yes set priorities.
        It was all, but never betrayed.
        1. Airman
          Airman 4 June 2013 16: 53 New
          +7
          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: ed1968
          neither Chechens nor them can be re-educated


          Have you worked with these guys?
          I personally had to steer a wild division twice. When 98 people are subordinate and only 26 of them are Russian. Yes, he lived in the barracks for the first time. yes set priorities.
          It was all, but never betrayed.


          Now you will not "set priorities", you will set yourself. Commanders do not have real levers for "educating" slobs, even on the "lip" through the court, and not immediately. The “lip” was removed from the units, but before each regiment was. And spending the night in the barracks is not an option.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 4 June 2013 17: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: Povshnik
            Now you won’t “prioritize”;


            And in 90 there were a lot of leverage? The Caucasus is a delicate matter and the opinion of people in the village. who led him into the army worse than kichi or lips.

            Not so simple. and the Avar from Dargin can unscrew his head as well as the Kabardian Lezgin. Already between the two knives had to stand. Now, if you turn on the back then they’ll crush. It’s a pity that they do not teach this to the commanders at all.

            A night out is sometimes an option. find out who breathes faster.
            1. Airman
              Airman 4 June 2013 20: 40 New
              0
              Quote: vorobey
              Quote: Povshnik
              Now you won’t “prioritize”;


              And in 90 there were a lot of leverage? The Caucasus is a delicate matter and the opinion of people in the village. who led him into the army worse than kichi or lips.



              Enough, you can “gnaw” with clothes, for 5 days “lips” with repeated washing of the toilet with a rag and hands, 2 hours of drill training quickly beat out the arrogance.
        2. alexkross83
          alexkross83 4 June 2013 19: 11 New
          0
          Let me ask, how did you prioritize your company? Share your experience so to speak ...
    2. sergey261180
      sergey261180 4 June 2013 16: 26 New
      0
      If my grandmother had the right education, she would have turned out to be a good grandfather! laughing
    3. Rustam009
      Rustam009 4 June 2013 16: 42 New
      +4
      Seryoga, you have the right opinion, only the colleagues and commanders seem to have a thin gut, if they prefer not to call for a solution to the problem. Many pseudo-patriots on the site do not understand another; if Russia does not call them, then others will not call on the side of Russia, that’s what you need to think about. After the collapse of the USSR, much in Russia is solved through an ostrich policy by sticking one’s head in the sand.
      1. alexkross83
        alexkross83 4 June 2013 19: 15 New
        +1
        They will be called ..only in Dagestan. There, starting from Makhachkala to Kaspiysk, there will be enough units for everyone .. let them explain the Dagestani officers the sums from the Koran.
  7. Savva30
    Savva30 4 June 2013 15: 59 New
    19
    The commanders that are used in the "war" with them: CHARTER, fists to the brink.
    What the Dagestan appeal uses: complaints to the diaspora, committee of soldiers' mothers, prosecutor's office, executive authorities, brute force, intimidation of a family, murder, betrayal, venality, cowardice of higher commanders and officials, courts, etc.
    How do you like the ratio?
    The Caucasus has always recognized only power, in the Kremlin, apparently, amnesia about this ...
  8. dominion
    dominion 4 June 2013 16: 01 New
    +6
    If they are called up, it is only for service in the North Caucasus and in the part where there is no complicated equipment.
    1. Airman
      Airman 4 June 2013 16: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: dominion
      If they are called up, it is only for service in the North Caucasus and in the part where there is no complicated equipment.


      On the contrary, in the Caucasus, do not leave anyone, send to Kamchatka, the Kuril Islands, the Far North, the Navy, so that they would scrub the deck, and not study the machine, and 2-3 people, so that you could "gobble"
  9. Enjoy
    Enjoy 4 June 2013 16: 06 New
    15
    All these nulliparous soldiers' mothers and human rights activists, who suddenly made sure that cute Dagestan boys could serve in the army, never risk sending their son to the army. Yes, even in the company, which serves at least a dozen highlanders per hundred soldiers.

    I’m already the fifth time on this site I am writing the same thought on this subject: my younger brother will go to the army in the summer. I saw what recruits from the mountains are. And me just spithow there they at home will assert themselves to each other whether they are men or not, soldiers or not. In the ranks with normal Russians they have nothing to do.

    Not because of any one nationality, or religion, but because the vast majority do not know how to behave in a civilized society. They don’t know how much they can, that even a 100% male rude team does not fit.

    The army is not a day nursery, not a psychoanalyst’s courses to teach an adult 18-25 year old forehead to communicate with others and live in society. If 9 out of 10 Dagestanis do not know how to do this, then call them irrational. "You can sit at home, youpt" (c) R. Shirokov.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 4 June 2013 16: 11 New
      +8
      Quote: Enjoy
      Army - not a day nursery, not psychoanalyst courses

      “If the commander cannot restore order in his platoon or company, how will he fight the real enemy if he is unable to cope with the conscripts entrusted to him?”
      It’s high time to stop playing democracy in the army. In my time, Caucasians washed floors and ate pork. It’s time to stop building the army on the same “carrots”. I want, I don’t want, this is not an army principle.
      "Do not know how, teach, do not want, make!" Here is the army principle.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 4 June 2013 17: 44 New
        +8
        To put things in order, the entire army vertical should be blowing one tune. And then I had .. a Caucasian soldier (I don’t remember which one exactly) refuses to carry out the order given before the formation of the company. I’m leading him to the battalion commander, he sends him to the regiment. And the regiment commander, with the political officer (refusenik), was shown and sent a "no-but" finger to the company, and you, the company-man, morally dried me up, that I want to initiate a criminal case and hang the criminal record. “Go educate !!”, what am I, the nanny, “educate” idiots of adults who directly declare that they’d better go to jail than to wash the toilet. There remains the option of assault, and here the refuseniks themselves run to complain and they are listened to with pleasure and take measures, in relation to ... the officers, for irregular relations.
  10. CaptainBlack
    CaptainBlack 4 June 2013 16: 07 New
    +9
    I think that even if they get into our troops, now everything will be different already! In the best case, they will not get out of the outfits. Our guys will not let anyone else in the company be self-wishing! And at worst - DISBAT. If one of the candidates survives before him ?!
    Although, if good, intelligent, efficient fighters come to us in part, then let them serve with honor and praise! It is just that initially it is necessary to correctly carry out professional selection, testing, etc., to get the sheep here, and the sheep there ...
    But in fact, the above has already been said, better than the construction battalion and the engineering troops for them, and no! And even better - let them serve at home wherever they want, and by anyone! And it will turn out as always with us ... sewing troops !!!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 4 June 2013 16: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: CaptainBlack
      And at worst - DISBAT.

      Are they still there? request
      1. Kovrovsky
        Kovrovsky 4 June 2013 17: 05 New
        +2
        Nizhny Novgorod region, the village of Mulino.
  11. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 June 2013 16: 07 New
    +2
    Generations should be replaced, and it is better not one and the most important upbringing starting from d \ s and there is only one hassle (after all, they need to do food separately five times, etc.) they will start to buzz again ..
  12. sashka
    sashka 4 June 2013 16: 10 New
    +2
    So the Caucasus is no longer Russia?
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 4 June 2013 17: 49 New
      +5
      The North Caucasus, de facto, never associated itself with Russia. I'm not talking about what is being declared, but about what and how the diasporas are doing and why they are doing and in whose interests.
      For them, Russia is a cow that allows itself to be milked today and have as they please. Of course they want to be in Russia. And no other way !!
  13. sanek45744
    sanek45744 4 June 2013 16: 10 New
    +2
    m yes (((((I read comments and I understand how many cowards that write that there’s nothing to call from the Caucasus !!!!! that you are turning a chorus of bunny boys from the army !!!! !!! difficulties must be solved and you need to be ready !!! and not leave them !! and if you’re just afraid to solve them, you don’t have a place in the army and other structures !!!!!
    1. Manager
      Manager 4 June 2013 17: 06 New
      0
      Quote: sanek45744
      ! and if you’re just afraid to solve them, you don’t have a place in the army


      good
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 4 June 2013 17: 53 New
      +8
      Need AUTHORITY, strong and serving the country. Or become the Russian diaspora themselves, shout about the friendship of peoples, and work for themselves, like other diasporas. Russia really will be bent at that .. (((But if the Russians become a minority in 20-30 years, then see Russia like that if the laws of stupid force, wallet and fraternity rule there. And the Kurbanbekovs and Khuliberdyevs will rule everything ..
  14. Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear 4 June 2013 16: 10 New
    0
    Dagestanis are the same citizens of the Russian Federation as everyone else, and they should serve just like everyone else, and all these problems with their behavior are your weakness in relation to them. You can minus as much as you want, but I'm right
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 4 June 2013 17: 46 New
      +5
      Beautiful words .. definitely. Have you lived among them? Have you served with them?
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 4 June 2013 20: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Mairos
        Have you served with them?


        My best foreman was a Chechen - Haron Gapuraev. In the next company - there were Ossetians. They were not given concessions, but as they served, the officers still had to learn from them.
        1. Mairos
          Mairos 5 June 2013 10: 14 New
          +2
          Yes, they love it! Command, control, distribute - steer, in a word. The foreman is a Chechen, the captenarmus is a Dagestan, in warehouses .. well, let him Ingush. Well, the heels of their countrymen in the company and the order will be perfect! Only now this sign will be, as they all stupidly delayed, intimidate, and they themselves will be like cheese in butter. As long as you “steer” them so, you will have “order” in your company. That's just when the Caucasians will LIVE, and the rest will plow them. From this "order" in the army shit comes. And what, let’s in Russia make the entire vertical of power and all the power structures of the Caucasus? What will be the order !! Oooooo !!!
        2. Mairos
          Mairos 5 June 2013 10: 37 New
          +2
          Do you really not understand the simple truth? Yes, they will serve until they are forced to do something that does not suit them, and even better if they are allowed to command others. This is a purely civilizational problem, as they wrote here. They have an archaic type of consciousness - the desire to suppress and dominate, otherwise they do not know how to assert themselves and realize themselves. We have this bzik in adolescence passes. That is why they are eager for someone in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who are lawyers of all stripes (and preferably bosses) - there the lives and destinies of other people will depend on them, and they like it. They are not bad, they are just SUCH. That’s the problem - how can one live with such SUCH ones?
  15. Eric
    Eric 4 June 2013 16: 17 New
    +7
    Quote: dominion
    If they are called up, it is only for service in the North Caucasus and in the part where there is no complicated equipment.

    That they shot our double bass there in the back? Head think Comrade.
  16. Rustam009
    Rustam009 4 June 2013 16: 23 New
    +5
    A holy place is never empty. Those young people who did not serve in the Army can easily be accustomed to machine guns and effectively shoot, refusal to call up does nothing to prevent Wahhabism. Only as if later it was not too late. His own country does not want to deal with its citizens no matter what they are (Dagestanis are also citizens), then other “uncles-educators” will come who want to train and apply them for themselves, and these young people will not identify themselves with this country, which treats them like outcasts and there will be a prognosis of the author of the article. About the statement:
    Quote: Savva30
    The Caucasus has always recognized only power, in the Kremlin, apparently, amnesia about this ...
    . Everyone recognizes the power and Russia is no exception, the question is different: why can a few Caucasians subordinate all to themselves? Answer: do sports dear colleagues. As was the imperial’s advertisement in the bank: “all the swans flew away” is the answer of Tsar Nicholas; "you need to feed better, then they will not fly away." In this case: educate dear commanders, then they will serve normally, and learn to hold on to each other like them.
    1. timurpl
      timurpl 4 June 2013 16: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Rustam09
      educate dear commanders, then they will serve normally ...
      -You say, you need to educate ...
      -My suggestion is this: the first half of the year, the Russian language course, then a history course about how bad behavior towards Russia usually ends ... and there is demobilization!
      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 6 June 2013 19: 36 New
        0
        timurpl. The flag is in your hands, here you go!
    2. yllo
      yllo 5 June 2013 10: 26 New
      0
      "and these young people will in no way identify themselves with this country"

      And now they identify the type?

      "and learn to hold onto each other like them."

      So hold on, hence the slaughter in parts of wall to wall.
      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 6 June 2013 12: 20 New
        0
        If they hold on, then why is everyone yelling here?
      2. Rustam009
        Rustam009 6 June 2013 20: 04 New
        0
        Quote: yllo
        "and these young people will in no way identify themselves with this country"

        And now they identify the type?

        "and learn to hold onto each other like them."

        So hold on, hence the slaughter in parts of wall to wall.

        They hold on, only not a single Caucasian yells here, how shitty he was in the army (do you feel the difference?)
    3. Mairos
      Mairos 5 June 2013 10: 56 New
      +1
      Rustam, here is the key word - "hold on to each other." Apparently the Russians will come to this, if the authorities themselves do not grudge other "holding" ones. Because such a "bunching" according to the nationally zamlyayaschey principle - the creation of cancerous tumors on the body of the country. These “heaps” of diasporas do not need Russia and not the country and their future, they are interested in “their” and their future, this is the archaic and primitive approach to life that we are being promoted by those who want to kill the country.
  17. rugor
    rugor 4 June 2013 16: 24 New
    +6
    It is necessary to work with conscripts and this is the task of officers. The soldier must "crawl" into the barracks after training and training. Then there will be no time for extramural relations.
    1. yllo
      yllo 5 June 2013 10: 28 New
      0
      You rightly noticed it.
  18. sergey261180
    sergey261180 4 June 2013 16: 24 New
    +2
    Kozhugetych is a rational manager, he needs no extra hemorrhoids out of the blue. And the fact that this is hemorrhoids has been proven by more than one dozen years of experience. The most harmless thing is that it’s a dumb racket from them, and they even say bluntly: "if the war starts, I will kill you all (Russians) ...". Like this.
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 4 June 2013 16: 46 New
      +4
      Sergey, and many Russian boys, including on the site, say they’ll wet all the “blacks” (although the question is who is “black”), let’s now wet each other. Like this.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 5 June 2013 11: 11 New
        +1
        There are few Russians like that in percentage terms, but the guys from the Caucasus, such a sensation, suffer from megalomania and their exclusivity almost without exception. It seems that the elders in the family teach them this way - they have their own and there are strangers, they have to hold on to their own, and the rest can and should be deceived, humiliated, etc. as far as possible - and all for the good of his, the main thing. Here are those Russians who “talked” with the guys from the Caucasus for many years, they often get Caucasian phobia. From here begins skinheading and more. And why, in the army, the “Caucasus steers” often, with a small number, so that's just it. The Russians have not yet got used to the fact that there is no power, in the form in which it should be, that the law and conscience do not decide anything in relation to “not their own”, that all peoples have long been “holding on to each other”. Then there will be two options: the power will become the POWER that thinks about the country and the people, or the Russians, too, in the end, will begin to "bunch together." In the second case, the diasporas will be very bad for many “taxis” now. Since in the first case they are simply “put up”, and in the second they will be torn, and, I am afraid, sometimes in the literal sense.
        1. Rustam009
          Rustam009 6 June 2013 12: 25 New
          0
          The question is not what needs to be stacked. Our citizens are also ill treated abroad, the word "Russian" sounds to them as something common, is it unpleasant to hear it? In the same way, it is unpleasant for us because of the behavior of criminals to identify with the whole people and these things must be stopped for a long time. All that is being discussed here is a banal violation of behavior that is not punishable. Violated, punish, for this there is an officer corps, and there will be no extra-regular relations. The same thing with behavior in other places, he violated the law-adequate punishment. And everything that happens, breeds banal lawlessness, which is then projected onto the national plane.
  19. taseka
    taseka 4 June 2013 16: 27 New
    +6
    First, they are in training, where the command staff of them is in the Arctic, and then as a foreign legion of the Russian Federation, the world shows the power of RUSSIAN weapons to blacks and Arabs !!!
  20. yllo
    yllo 4 June 2013 16: 39 New
    12
    In the Stavrapolye, Russians simply survive. The inscription “do not buy from Russians at home, they will soon be given to us for free” is being circulated. I watched it on TV. And you say that in the Stavropol Territory more than 80% of the Russian population.

    The problem is very serious and sooner or later it will make itself felt in a much more acute form. What exactly do I mean is up to you to decide, because they can attribute the call to extremism.
    1. timurpl
      timurpl 6 June 2013 15: 29 New
      0
      Bullshit is everything! Do not listen to anyone ...
  21. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 4 June 2013 16: 41 New
    +1
    DAGESTANISTS TO UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN CHIPS AND TD .... ONLY FOR THIS AUTHORITY TO CREATE CONDITIONS. In Dagestan, as everywhere there are excellent parties, so it sucks
  22. Avenger711
    Avenger711 4 June 2013 16: 46 New
    +9
    There is nothing to call them. Weapons should be for Russians only. Otherwise, if something happens, this whole contingent, which the automatic was taught to keep, will have to be crushed by the tanks themselves. Whoever has weapons has real power.
  23. Russ69
    Russ69 4 June 2013 16: 46 New
    +3
    All, under one comb, revenge is also not worth it. My son’s friend returned from the army, he told me that they also had a couple of dugs in the draft. and says nothing, normal guys are not without ambition of course. truth and the company was sensible, broke off all who tried to build something from themselves, despite their nationality.
    Sorry of course, but I can’t believe that the heels of Caucasians can build the whole part. Maybe all the same it’s worth kicking not Caucasians at least sometimes, but those under whose command they serve.
    1. yllo
      yllo 5 June 2013 09: 29 New
      0
      "Sorry of course, but I can’t believe that the heels of Caucasians can build the whole part."

      Therefore, they made restrictions so that there would be no more than 2-5, to the part.
  24. tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 4 June 2013 16: 47 New
    +5
    The Committee of Soldiers' Mothers anneals to the fullest) why are you taking the kids to the army, now why aren’t you picking them up? Apparently they also work out bread from North American dollars.
    And what kind of officers are they? As far as I know, education is carried out by the Ministry of Education and Culture, and the re-education of the FSIN.
    The first thing to restore order in the Army is to disperse the committee of soldiers' mothers. And, in the Charter to prescribe that service is not only for physically healthy, and most importantly for healthy in spirit, and worthy people.
  25. Ghost of darkness
    Ghost of darkness 4 June 2013 17: 03 New
    13
    Draw conclusions yourself gentlemen, it is necessary by law, that means it should serve, only without any discounts and like all other citizens of Russia !!!
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 4 June 2013 17: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Ghost of Darkness
      Conclusions do it yourself gentlemen


      Draw conclusions.

      my village was liberated in 43. On the mass grave of more than a hundred names every third yang, oev, shvili, aev and others.

      About deserters it’s good, but how many were killed for Russian villages and villages.
      1. yllo
        yllo 5 June 2013 09: 32 New
        0
        And how many Russians have died! ???
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    1. itkul
      itkul 4 June 2013 17: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Rattenfanger
      Conclusion: it is not the Dagi / Czechs / Ingush who are to blame, but the mom-dad, who are growing an asexual creature instead of a man.


      Why asexual?
      here is one of the cases

      http://www.blog.i-balans.ru/artem_harlamov/

      On June 23, Junior Sergeant Artyom Kharlamov died in the Pechenga Military Hospital. Doctors could not save him from a closed head injury, as well as according to some Adam's apple fractures.

      24-year-old Artyom, a native of the city of Kirovsk (Murmansk region), was called up for service in the RF Armed Forces on December 10, 2009. According to the distribution, he came to serve in the reconnaissance company 200 OMSBR (military unit 08275), which is deployed in Pechenga itself (the so-called 10-ka). Artem was a candidate for master of sports (CCM) in boxing, the commander of the department, a junior sergeant, an excellent student of service, and just a good guy.

      According to preliminary information, Artyom was beaten by a group of colleagues of Caucasian ethnicity (which are plentiful in the Pechenga brigade), which led to his subsequent death.
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 4 June 2013 18: 53 New
        +1
        No need to juggle. You perfectly understand that this is not about one particular soldier taken, but about conscripts in general. Some go to clubs and sit on the net for a day drinking “Yaga,” while others fall asleep and wake up with the thought of training. Now, most of the conscripts are ten times will not pull up. Where to get self-confidence and physical condition?
        One child’s parents say, “Don’t give up, whatever happens! Be a man!” And we’re drunk, “Vasya, it’s not good to fight! Don’t argue, give in, don’t mess up,” etc.
        The rhinos are raised by the fathers. And our slobber-moms in half the cases. That's the result.
      2. Rustam009
        Rustam009 6 June 2013 12: 54 New
        0
        Where did the colleagues look? I will give you another case: my younger brother (Circassian) ended up in Volzhsky, after six months of service in training in the engineering troops. From his words, the first thing that was expressed to him by those Russian colleagues was that you won’t last long here. No sooner said than done. He was brutally beaten and could not get out of bed for 3 days. As he later said, it was such a part, God forbid anyone touch a finger, immediately dismantling the commander. So in the morning divorce, he stood waist-deep in bruises and bruises, the commander brazenly passed, and did not even ask what had happened. And what was to be done in that case? Or you, or they. Fortunately, one Dagestani, a former colleague in training, arrived in the unit a day later, since this guy as he saw him in this condition took off his backpack, went to the city and came with several people (also Dagestanis), and all the perpetrators were quickly put in place. And in the future normal relations developed with both. Conclusions: When the disassembly took place, where the commanders looked: the answer is they are worms without any authority among the employees. All of this could have been corny to prevent normal management in parts and normal attitude. These were stupid 18-year-old guys, everything happens in life, the mind does not immediately come, but the fact that everything starts to drift, this is the result.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 6 June 2013 13: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Rustam09
          Conclusions: When the disassembly took place, where the commanders looked: the answer is they are worms without any authority among the employees. All of this could have been corny to prevent; there would be normal leadership in parts and normal attitude.

          The case is quite typical, but the conclusions ... Can you tell me HOW exactly could the leadership influence the relationship between the soldiers if ALL the levers of influence it had previously been taken from the leadership? So, even in this case, the closest "committee of mothers without mothers" will arrange a screech. Want effective leadership - give officers at least some opportunity to provide this leadership
          1. Rustam009
            Rustam009 6 June 2013 19: 29 New
            0
            If the commander does not have leverage, the soldiers themselves grow leverage in the form of such a showdown. Someone deceived on the site by writing about the lack of leverage and the "committee of nulliparous mothers," others immediately picked up the choir. There are enough levers, there is a military prosecutor's office (there are no Caucasians there), there is a lip, in the long term a penal battalion. Who wants to, he puts things in order, and as a bad dancer knows, something between his legs always interferes.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 7 June 2013 11: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Rustam09
              there is a military prosecutor’s office (there are no Caucasians there), there is a lip, in the future a penal battalion.
              The military prosecutor’s office prefers to infringe on officers for any reason, the soldiers are of little interest to her. And an officer who applies with statements to his subordinates can immediately put an end to his further career. Not a single boss needs such a subordinate and fuck, he will get rid of it in any way in the near future. Guardhouse? Where is she? It was canceled several years ago. At least that's what they told me. In Ukraine, at least. Outfits for service extraordinary? And whom do you scare when the on-duty fleet attendants do not take weeks to replace (just replace with no one, the shortage is wild), and instead of three sentries in the barracks one is now intervening (for the same reason). Well, about the penal battalion, even you write that it is “in perspective” ...
    2. tol
      tol 4 June 2013 17: 48 New
      +3
      Interestingly, you reason, the point is that they stick together, and the Russians are separate, And what do you think when they hold the whole parts, are also parents? when healthy officers with experience (wars, etc.) can not do anything))
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 4 June 2013 18: 46 New
        +7
        Quote: tol
        when healthy officers with experience (wars, etc.) can not do anything))

        Have you been in the army at all? If there are normal officers in the unit, there is no lawlessness or black suit. Officers with experience of participation can’t do anything? Well, well ... Double basses that made the "black wars" to the regiment (some In the late 90s and early 2000s he drove to the regiment, then still the RAP, almost half black), they told how the officers themselves were hammering them. Right on the parade ground, half and half were chopped.
        Quote: tol
        Interestingly, you reason, the point is that they stick together, and the Russians are separate, And what do you think when they hold the whole parts, are also parents?

        No, the good wizard Goodwin should explain to them that they need to stick together and that there are situations when it is better to die than turn on the back.
        The parents are to blame. IMHO.
        1. yllo
          yllo 5 June 2013 09: 48 New
          +1
          Situations are different ... One person can use his fists, another barrel, and the third can avoid conflict due to sociability and mental stability. So DO NOT, about the situation.
  27. annenkov242
    annenkov242 4 June 2013 17: 18 New
    0
    Quote: sanek45744
    m yes (((((I read comments and I understand how many cowards that write that there’s nothing to call from the Caucasus !!!!! that you are turning a chorus of bunny boys from the army !!!! !!! difficulties must be solved and you need to be ready !!! and not leave them !! and if you’re just afraid to solve them, you don’t have a place in the army and other structures !!!!!


    Why are you minus ??? It is said correctly! The officer is afraid of the "advice of mothers." Grachev, Swan - some birds, a crow and a stool nearby, what are you exaggerating !? , all ideals are sold and devoted. They completely forgot about boasting beautiful words. I am ashamed of the HONOR OF THE OFFICER !!!
  28. Russ69
    Russ69 4 June 2013 17: 20 New
    +9
    Quote: Rattenfanger
    Conclusion: it is not the Dagi / Czechs / Ingush who are to blame, but the mom-dad, who are growing an asexual creature instead of a man.

    I agree, it’s a shame to hear that a couple of Dugs are building a couple of dozen Russian boys in the barracks. The question arises, what kind of boys are these, if they cannot stand up for themselves.
    But, according to some comments, give free rein, tear America to tear on the British flag in 5 minutes.
    1. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 4 June 2013 19: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      But, according to some comments, give free rein, tear America to tear on the British flag in 5 minutes.

      Most of all militancy is usually among those who "I did not serve, but I have an objective reason! And so I wanted ..."
      My opinion and not necessarily true. (C)
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 6 June 2013 13: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Russ69
      But, according to some comments, give free rein, tear America to tear on the British flag in 5 minutes.

      Well, they themselves answered. To demand a result, you must first be given the opportunity to work. Now the officers do not hold their hands in front of the entrance to the barracks. Right - no, one duties
  29. pamero
    pamero 4 June 2013 17: 34 New
    +1
    He made a golden conclusion! Everything is correct. Wrote perfectly. I support and urgently prohibit the committees of soldiers' mothers who did not give birth to children ...
  30. tol
    tol 4 June 2013 17: 40 New
    +1
    Who interferes, call, but let the person serve in the region!
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 6 June 2013 12: 59 New
      +1
      Bro, at one time divided "into yours and yours" -Yeltsin- "take sovereignty as much as you like," the result is Chechnya, it requires independence, the central government is useless, we’re still raking, and your slogan is: "Who is in the way, call, but let the person serves in his region! " from the same opera.
  31. Des10
    Des10 4 June 2013 17: 46 New
    13
    He served with the Dagestanis, Chechens (85-87 years, the Air Force, Baikonur) - they respect only strength and cohesion. And all are physically developed, not notorious. The weak near them is no place.
    In the Internal Forces there are a lot of recruits and officers from the Caucasus recently.
    Such a small quota is an indicator of weakness and not a mind of power. And society.
    They behave as they are allowed to. Everyone who shouts belligerently here had no direct dealings with them,
    probably.
    Be strong in body and soul - and it will not matter to whom you serve: with a Caucasian or a skinhead.
    1. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 4 June 2013 18: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: Des10
      He served with the Dagestanis, Chechens (85-87 years, the Air Force, Baikonur) - they respect only strength and cohesion. And all are physically developed, not notorious. The weak near them is no place.

      Quote: Des10
      Be strong in body and soul - and it will not matter to whom you serve: with a Caucasian or a skinhead.

      That's right, I say as a Dagestan. Yes, we respect people who are strong in spirit and body, especially in the spirit, because in a weak body there is also an unbending spirit. Strength and cohesion are two of the most important and necessary qualities that were forged for centuries by the very conditions of life in severe mountains, in the most difficult conditions of the highlands only the strongest, physically strong and healthy survive. Cohesion is a necessary condition for the survival of small nations, only cohesion made it possible to survive the constant invasions of powerful numerous enemies. Of course, the Russians, who were always millions and who were never threatened with complete extinction, were hard to understand, hence the misunderstanding and condemnation.
      1. yllo
        yllo 5 June 2013 10: 11 New
        +1
        Your right to respect or not respect strength of mind, cohesion, etc. But you must respect the law. In the 70s and 80s, let’s say the guys from the Vologda village getting into one part to serve also respected honor, fortitude, there were also community members, etc., but there were no problems of this magnitude. This is not a matter of cowardice or heroism, it is a matter of common sense.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 6 June 2013 13: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: yllo
          But you must respect the law.

          They respect him. But only if it is the LAW (i.e., for its failure to be torn, like a Tuzik heating pad). And on the whole mountain of little tips, not worth the paper on which they are printed, they spat on a high hill. They are not used to the law with their head, but with the spine they are used to feeling. Historically, otherwise it was not possible to survive
    2. Rustam009
      Rustam009 6 June 2013 13: 01 New
      0
      Totally agree with you!
  32. Ghost of darkness
    Ghost of darkness 4 June 2013 17: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: vorobey
    Draw conclusions.

    my village was liberated in 43. On the mass grave of more than a hundred names every third yang, oev, shvili, aev and others.

    About deserters it’s good, but how many died for Russian villages and villages


    it’s funny even a little your comparison, which can be discussed forever .. and how many Slavs died? or did they also have to pounce and run away? maybe religion does not allow to take arms in hand? how to poop on the monuments so we are the first ..
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 4 June 2013 18: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: Ghost of Darkness
      Quote: vorobey
      Draw conclusions.

      my village was liberated in 43. On the mass grave of more than a hundred names every third yang, oev, shvili, aev and others.

      About deserters it’s good, but how many died for Russian villages and villages


      it’s funny even a little your comparison, which can be discussed forever .. and how many Slavs died? or did they also have to pounce and run away? maybe religion does not allow to take arms in hand? how to poop on the monuments so we are the first ..


      My comparison may be ridiculous, but how many Slavs are pissing now and right here. caucasus force. , dawn.

      Call and educate, work. from sergeant to general. and inappropriately disturb freaks and people in one heap. or few Dudaev’s Slavs were cut against their own, Or were Ukrainians in 2008 not Slavs on the Georgian side?
  33. pogis
    pogis 4 June 2013 17: 55 New
    +2
    In 1988 I saw an engineer battalion at 90% of Uzbeks (who remembers the SA, Caucasians are children compared to them). In 1995 I saw an escort battalion of XV at 95% from Dagestanis (each platoon has one Russian), in both cases the officers are Slavs. there was no trace of fraternity at all! True, some officers were afraid to go into the barracks after the lights out, but the majority did not, but discipline was kept on fists! By the way, single Russians suffered if in accordance with their service life! Conclusion-formation of mono-ethnic units, preferably separate!
  34. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 4 June 2013 17: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: Kovrovsky
    Nizhny Novgorod region, the village of Mulino.

    Oooh !!! Mulino! “The fun part” When our convoy of Urals (conscripts) entered the division, they immediately drove us to the club to show videos about Mulino. Tin ..... we from Dzerzhinka sent there the whole frostbite, it was even from Vityaz got there ... Some in the "Khabar" under the regime served.
  35. Owl
    Owl 4 June 2013 17: 58 New
    +2
    It is necessary to restore the Soviet (model of the 70s and 80s of the last century) system of pre-conscription training (especially in the middle zone of Russia), to restore (everywhere) the military-patriotic education of the younger generation in the spirit of the unity of the peoples of Russia and common for all nationalities, Victory over the enemy (both in the Great Patriotic War and in the ongoing war with our opponents: USA, Great Britain France, countries of fundamental Islam), restore the system of rewards and penalties (punishments) in the Armed Forces of the country (guardhouse, disciplinary battalion), introduce restrictions on the device on state service for people who do not want to do military service in combat units, tighten criminal liability for missile relationships, for evading conscription and desertion, to evenly distribute the national military contingent among units and military units, in order to prevent the formation of "diasporas" in company battalions and in military units, to return the closeness of the Army, Navy, Border Troops, Internal Troops from "human rights defenders" and all kinds of "mothers" who are mainly fed by our enemies and who have the task of destroying and hampering the fulfillment of the Holy Duty by Russian citizens. During my studies at the Ordzhonikidze VOKU and subsequent service in the Soviet Army, I did not divide my colleagues on a national basis, fools and scum were in every nationality, but everyone considered themselves to be defenders of the motherland.
  36. Warrawar
    Warrawar 4 June 2013 18: 00 New
    +7
    Caucasians are very different. I served with Caucasians. There were also quite sane guys, there were undefiners. Personally, I have developed a good relationship with everyone, even friends have remained to this day.
    Here they said "the weak have no place with them" - this is true. But I would rephrase this phrase a little - Weak in the army does not belong. It’s just that among Caucasians there is a much larger percentage of well-physically prepared children and they know how to unite. But the set among the Russians, Tatars, etc. is lame - they take anyone horrible, and so this appearance is created.
    It is not necessary to call in the troops of cripples and it is necessary to develop their children from birth - then there will be no such problems.
  37. Yeraz
    Yeraz 4 June 2013 18: 00 New
    +7
    Yes, ofiget Russians in Russia are 80 percent, well, how much percent of Caucasians from the remaining 20% ​​??? for 1 Caucasian 9 Russians. It all depends on the commander. In general, the ideal option is to control if this commander is a deputy, a Muslim.
    Everyone who calls for refusing to call from the Caucasus will be exiled. Moreover, Caucasians will be taught to hold a gun maximum, they will not be allowed into higher-tech troops to say that they will grow super specialists, and they can learn how to hold a gun from the bearded. Therefore, that’s all these are atmazki, here it’s sitting drooling, let’s tear all one thing, and to calm a couple of Caucasians in part is another, to collectively put the cons one thing, and collectively give bells to the presumptuous business.
  38. agbykov
    agbykov 4 June 2013 18: 06 New
    +4
    My personal experience shows that you can serve normally with the guys from Dagestan (DMB autumn 1986, Schwerin, GSVG, motorized rifles).
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 6 June 2013 13: 06 New
      0
      Alexey You could serve normally, for one simple reason - you are a normal person!
  39. place
    place 4 June 2013 18: 08 New
    -1
    Create soldier collective farms, let the bread grow for the army, you look and come in handy ...
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 6 June 2013 13: 08 New
      0
      alexander -sito. Create collective farms for yourself and be useful to yourself; there are no slaves for you.
  40. Des10
    Des10 4 June 2013 18: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Warrawar
    Weak in the army does not belong.

    Yes. Original. Thank you.
  41. Alekseev
    Alekseev 4 June 2013 18: 12 New
    +5
    Military service is the sacred duty of a citizen.
    But worthy citizen.
    Everyone cannot be called up, why in the Russian army are nationalists-religious and other extremists, criminals, etc.
    Well, let at least someone tell me intelligently to x ... are they there?
    And if at present there are a lot of such people in the Caucasus, then they have no place in the army.
    And this is the problem of the Caucasus. Educate your djigits better.
    And the commanders should have real levers of power to pacify the animals in the barracks. Discipline in the army, by definition, should be much higher than in civilian life. We have complete democracy in this matter. request . They can’t beat their faces, the guardian himself will be whistled for military discipline, despite the fact that he may have pacified the most unbridled person.
    So do gentlemen, the real levers of power: a disciplinary court in every unit, garrison, military police, guardhouse in each individual unit (Suvorov also said: "occupied the city - set up a guardhouse!".
    Cattle who don’t want to serve properly from the army — you don’t want, bastard, to serve conscientiously in good faith, trying to scoff at your colleagues, shift the hardships and deprivations onto others — pay a considerable fine and go digging land in a civilian with a loss of rights!
    But, unfortunately, neither the farts (what can I get from him, other than atsing?), Nor the other leaders of the real measures to strengthen order and discipline.
    That's just not to call the Caucasus belay, and immediately it will be good - quiet and smooth.
    Ostriches with a head stuck in ... sand.
    Shame, and only.
  42. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 4 June 2013 18: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: Russ69
    I agree, it’s a shame to hear that a couple of Dugs are building a couple of dozen Russian boys in the barracks. The question arises, what kind of boys are these, if they cannot stand up for themselves. But, according to some comments, give free rein, tear America to tear on the British flag in 5 minutes.

    Yes, that’s not the point .... The fact is that if you have to fight with the West, that state of affairs, mobilization, etc. Everything will be different!!! And the Caucasians, they cry one by one and pray on their knees! Only the crowd they are power! And if there are only three of them, then they will attack in a quiet one, at night after the lights out, they will drive a feather into the stomach! I didn’t want to write, but in my call I somehow got into the military hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia (a wound to the head). With me in the corridor through three chambers from me lay a guy who had forgotten how to speak and pissed under himself! His psyche was broken for life and fate, too .. He served in the military unit 40-00 of our valiant internal troops, where, by a lucky chance, 80-85% of the dugs were in the company! After the lights out, they put the kid on a stool, put his head in the noose and lifted! Saved the company commander who managed to get out of the loop !!! All this happened in the appeal of spring 2008 --- spring 2009 ... Draw conclusions.
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 6 June 2013 13: 15 New
      +1
      Alexander, if you put it, “But the Caucasians are crying one by one and praying on their knees! Only the crowd is power!”, Then why do many scream and complain that a handful of Caucasians put the whole part? If there are such heroes, then restrain them, why did you find only one way out - not to call?
  43. Warrawar
    Warrawar 4 June 2013 18: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: SIBIR38RUS
    And the Caucasians, they cry one by one and pray on their knees!

    I do not agree with you. The character and preparation of these guys are usually at their best and they will at least be no worse than the rest.
    In general, the army does not matter who you are Russian or Dagestan, your personal qualities play the main role. There is a proverb "To good people, the army is like a mother, and bad people are like a stepmother."
    1. SIBIR38RUS
      SIBIR38RUS 4 June 2013 18: 34 New
      +4
      In our “Panthers”, Dagi and Chechens, and other Caucasians wrote reports, complaints and begged for the transfer from ODON to any units and troops just to be away from Panthers and Vityaz !!! laughing laughing laughing We trained them like dogs. They ate pork and we washed the floors !!! They boomed at us like wolves but were afraid to rush!
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 4 June 2013 22: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: SIBIR38RUS
        In our “Panthers”, Dagi and Chechens, and other Caucasians wrote reports, complaints, and begged for the transfer from ODON to any units and troops just to be away from Panthers and Vityaz !!! We trained them like dogs. They ate pork and we washed the floors !!! They boomed at us like wolves but were afraid to rush!

        Well, this is because you had a “special” interest in them. But you must admit that some guy from the Kemerovo hinterland, who by the age of 18 could not lift a pile of moonshine, would not look better in their place. Or rather, he would not even have ended up in Vityaz and ODON, but was sent straight to railway railways to lay the sleepers.
  44. agbykov
    agbykov 4 June 2013 18: 24 New
    +2
    He is a lawless man and a lawless man in the army, no matter what kind of tribe he is.
  45. alert_timka
    alert_timka 4 June 2013 18: 33 New
    +5
    Quote: annenkov242
    Quote: sanek45744
    m yes (((((I read comments and I understand how many cowards that write that there’s nothing to call from the Caucasus !!!!! that you are turning a chorus of bunny boys from the army !!!! !!! difficulties must be solved and you need to be ready !!! and not leave them !! and if you’re just afraid to solve them, you don’t have a place in the army and other structures !!!!!


    Why are you minus ??? It is said correctly! The officer is afraid of the "advice of mothers." Grachev, Swan - some birds, a crow and a stool nearby, what are you exaggerating !? , all ideals are sold and devoted. They completely forgot about boasting beautiful words. I am ashamed of the HONOR OF THE OFFICER !!!

    Minus, because most of those who left their comments here against the draft from the Caucasus signed their own cowardice before them, as well as those officers who serve in the army. where did your "spirit" of the warrior and invincibility go ??? In the comments of the Caucasians, we bend down hundreds, and as it comes down to it, the trace has caught a cold.
  46. AleCo
    AleCo 4 June 2013 18: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: agbykov
    My personal experience shows that you can serve normally with the guys from Dagestan (DMB autumn 1986, Schwerin, GSVG, motorized rifles).

    Now your personal experience does not roll, time is different, the country is different, people are different.
    1. piwnik22rus
      piwnik22rus 4 June 2013 20: 19 New
      +1
      Then, under the USSR, everything was different. Now there is no such thing. I myself take the penny "is small in the USSR and woke up in the" new Russia
  47. individual
    individual 4 June 2013 18: 45 New
    +3
    Let's look back:
    Khasavyurt agreements - joint statement of August 31 1996 years representatives of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Ichkeria on the development of "Principles for determining the foundations of relations between the Russian Federation and the Chechen Republic" ...
    That's where it was state surrender - Russia before the Caucasian bandits, which was projected onto all the peoples of the Caucasus and not only.
    This left a trace of Russia's weakness and betrayal by the EBN elite of internal security interests.
    The Caucasus understands only power. This was proved back in the 1820s by General A.P. Ermolov.
    The modern peoples of the Caucasus do not need separation from Russia, but there is creeping separatism and a manifestation of superiority over the "rotten" state policy.
    In the Caucasus, Russia has two paths, either to separate or to pass the path of A.P. Ermolov again.
    1. Owl
      Owl 5 June 2013 05: 06 New
      +1
      For a long time, since 2003, it is necessary again to clean the Caucasus with fire and sword, bayonet and butt. It is necessary to start from the “top”, if for several years now refugees from the Chechen Republic (Chechens) have appeared, this makes us wonder if the Chechens are fleeing the Chechens, then it’s not the nationality, but the “leaders”.
  48. bubla5
    bubla5 4 June 2013 19: 40 New
    0
    Until they introduce tough and fair laws, including the death penalty, legal protection of officers, so that the troops have special units with wide capabilities, up to the use of weapons and, most importantly, a change of system
  49. piwnik22rus
    piwnik22rus 4 June 2013 19: 41 New
    +3
    It’s better to stay at home in the mountains. They don’t need in the army. When there are a lot of them they are arrogant and greyhound.
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 6 June 2013 20: 13 New
      0
      Quote: piwnik22rus
      It’s better to stay at home in the mountains. They don’t need in the army. When there are a lot of them they are arrogant and greyhound.

      I assure you they don’t need your fucking army either; there is no need to serve such fascists there.
  50. vlad tankov
    vlad tankov 4 June 2013 19: 43 New
    -2
    Dagestan border detachments on the Tajik-Afghan border
    1. piwnik22rus
      piwnik22rus 4 June 2013 20: 01 New
      +2
      Remember dag double bass cracked on the outpost of Sobr from Altai. This was a year ago. He killed five officers.