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The episode with the "left" "Kalash"

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Increasingly, our compatriots are confronted with counterfeit goods that enter Russia from the territory of foreign countries. The lion's share of counterfeit is imported from China, since the industry of all kinds of fakes flourishes in China: from watches to Kalashnikovs.


Not so long ago, during one of the military training camps organized for young people in the Central Federal District, there was an unpleasant incident with counterfeit weapons. From one of the military units, several Kalashnikov assault rifles of the so-called “100th series” were brought, which were to be used for the draft conscription youth as objects of learning the rules and methods of firing from automatic weapons. On the very first day, it turned out that out of a dozen imported automata, only those stores that came with these weapons were suitable for two. In other words, if you confuse the "horns" of these AK-101, then the fighter will not be able to connect them with a gun. It is terrible to imagine what can happen when using such a machine gun in real combat conditions, because you only have to use the store that came with this type of weapon.

After checking the documents for weapons, it turned out that the automata were produced in Russia, but the experts had doubts about the authenticity of the documents. It could well turn out that the mediators simply skillfully concocted documents for Chinese-made automata, which, under the guise of Russian-made AK, were delivered to Russian military units. It would seem that in this case the system can help. consumer protection, but it seems that there is work for the military prosecutor's office. After all, if we assume that in batches of new weapons supplied to Russian military units there is a certain percentage of counterfeit, then what level of combat capability of the Russian army will then be better not to say.

There are those servicemen who say that low-quality small arms may well be Russian. The reject rate at Russian weapons factories is not reduced, since worn-out equipment, which is more than 40 years old, is used to make the same AK (weave).

This incident should initiate a large-scale verification of the weapons supplied to military units as part of the ongoing reform.
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  1. klimpopov
    klimpopov 3 June 2013 10: 24
    16
    Theft and corruption! Here is the answer to the question! Plant plant and plant again ...
    1. Pharao7766
      Pharao7766 3 June 2013 10: 34
      16
      ... no one will be frightened by landings, and no one is being planted.
      It’s already necessary to shoot the thief.
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 3 June 2013 11: 00
        10
        Only shooting !!! For undermining the country's defense capability !!! In general, it is necessary to lift the moratorium on the death penalty, pensioners can barely survive, and we feed and keep the murderers and rapists until their death !!!
        1. elmir15
          elmir15 3 June 2013 11: 49
          +4
          which under the types of AK made in Russia and put in the Russian military units.

          Abalde ... Chinese guns have already penetrated Russia, where we are rolling ... the culprits must be punished severely so that there are no more people who want to cash in. In general, the whole world needs to start fighting left-wing manufactures with Kalashnikovs, at least mark the struggle, threaten potential buyers of the left machine guns by ships.
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 3 June 2013 10: 34
      11
      There really is work for the prosecutor's office ... Planting as a betrayal of the motherland ...
      1. CaptainBlack
        CaptainBlack 3 June 2013 10: 52
        11
        For treason do not put !!! Cum on the spot ... Stalin must be returned for a long time. And then the rats completely lost their fear! angry
    3. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 3 June 2013 10: 38
      11
      The counterfeit fabric has already been sewn am both winter and summer, now the AK 100 series, Poplar is in line negative ? It’s time to declare the year 37, as led by effective managers like tabloid basil and macro on their own until 2037 stop
    4. svp67
      svp67 3 June 2013 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: klimpopov
      Theft and corruption! Here is the answer to the question! Plant plant and plant again ...

      This can already be regarded as an undermining of defense, with all the ensuing consequences ...
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 3 June 2013 10: 58
        +6
        You can’t do without 37 years. Need a figure equal to Stalin.
    5. The comment was deleted.
    6. rolik
      rolik 3 June 2013 11: 32
      +1
      Quote: klimpopov
      Theft and corruption!

      Except the word - ABZET !!! Nothing comes to mind. If it’s time to plant in even rows, this thing has matured so much that it simply cries out for the return of hard landings on a soft bench.
    7. kosmos44
      kosmos44 3 June 2013 11: 53
      0
      What? They forgot that during the VOV, the PPSh also came with only their own "relatives" (from production) disks in the set. They did not come up from an "outside" machine gun.
      (Not to the detriment of "KALASH" is said.)
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 3 June 2013 12: 09
        0
        Well, maybe we can recall the domestic 1812 of the year?
        Everything was okay with Kalash. How can it be spoiled? Yes, simple! wrote above!
        1. SCS
          SCS 3 June 2013 12: 30
          +1
          You can’t do without 37 years. Need a figure equal to Stalin.

          It's time to announce 37

          .. Stalin must be returned a long time ago

          Only shooting !!!

          Shoot thieves

          Guys, well, since we have a democratic state, it is simply obliged to fulfill the will of the People))! and do not care about this world (western) community ... after all, we who want to cleanse, return the 37th year, are gaining enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's time there upstairs to think ...
          1. vyd1956
            vyd1956 3 June 2013 15: 20
            0
            That's just it, that democracy is not for slaves. Ancient Greece example.
    8. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 3 June 2013 13: 09
      +5
      Quote: klimpopov
      Theft and corruption! Here is the answer to the question! Plant plant and plant again ...

      And plant, who will? The left hand takes, and the right hand puts, or what? Under this legal system, in Ukraine, in Russia, this will continue for a long time.
      They do not go to power in order to work and live on one pay, but to steal what is possible. And if you get normal, then they just eat it.
      Remember the movie, where in court the son-in-law's father-in-law cursed: "What would you be dead, that you would live on one patch." That is, living on one patch is much scarier than dying. This is the whole point. The main thing: grandmother, grandmother, grandmother, and to the light bulb on what and how.
  2. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 3 June 2013 10: 28
    +3
    No words, only emotions.
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 3 June 2013 10: 32
      +3
      Quote: Black Colonel
      No words, only emotions.

      Interjection ...
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 3 June 2013 11: 01
        +1
        Lots of
        Interjection ...
  3. waisson
    waisson 3 June 2013 10: 33
    +3
    yes shame and only
  4. svp67
    svp67 3 June 2013 10: 37
    +2
    It could well turn out that the intermediaries simply skillfully cooked up documents for Chinese-made assault rifles, which, under the guise of Russian-made AKs, were delivered to Russian military units

    What is this nonsense? Do we have Chinese assault rifles in the army? It seems to me that this alone is enough to start a really serious investigation of what happened and is actually happening with the supply of weapons to our Armed Forces ...
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 3 June 2013 13: 30
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Do we have Chinese assault rifles in the army?


      This is what killed the most.

      Not just Chinese Kalashnikovs in Russia, but in the ACTING MILITARY PART of the Russian Federation !!!

      Here we need a scandal with a total check. And to plant for this is not enough. This is either sabotage or treason.
      Marriage is bad (probably not fake). But our marriage or Chinese consumer goods is an even more worthless question.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 3 June 2013 14: 03
        0
        Well, what are the Chinese AK? Are you laughing? Who needs it. The usual marriage of Izhmash. Specialists out there, if possible, try to get a production machine until the 92nd year, somewhere.
  5. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 3 June 2013 10: 37
    +2
    shocked! our infallible AK and such a marriage! a shame!!!
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 3 June 2013 11: 03
      0
      I also have only the one that comes with the tiger in the kit, here’s ImMash!
  6. mirag2
    mirag2 3 June 2013 10: 39
    13
    Dear friends, something happened that I was most afraid of in the world! The machines are ours! One hundred pounds. It simply cannot be otherwise. The consequences of discipline and work organization at IZHMASH were just revealed. It was not for nothing that I said earlier that it is not clear why it is not accepted into service with the AEK (which has a lot of parts to unify with the AK, it is possible, and it is possible to establish its production inexpensively. It has better accuracy and something else, we are not talking about that now). The fact is that the quality of IZHMASH products is low and the campaign continues to fall The bosses need to be driven out of there - they keep in their places only by unconditionally supporting Putin, and probably has some (for a long time, and that's why they have been) connections with officials from the Ministry of Defense. I also support Putin, but my work you need to do it QUALITATIVELY. But what the hell is it when weapons are upgraded with piccatini strips? "Counterfeit" - what excuse me in pi ... for counterfeit? What kind of trick? No need to play around, you need to say frankly and honestly, "The IZHMASH management relaxed and cut off at the end, the products are nowhere." Why is it impossible to release the goods so that I didn’t have to grind it with a file? What is supernatural and impossible in this ???? !!! They just cut it to the root. I don’t know what kind of connections the IZHMASH leadership has in the Ministry of Defense, that they still produce such a hat !!!!! !
    1. V. A.
      V. A. 3 June 2013 11: 32
      0
      Yes, yes, and Izhevsk’s hunting rifles, then ... in the sense they’re no good ...
  7. sergeschern
    sergeschern 3 June 2013 10: 39
    +6
    Who will plant? Military prosecutor's office? Remember the case in the seaside, when the soldiers were fed canned dog food under the guise of stew? Whom then did the military prosecutor's office recognize as "extreme"? That's right - the whistleblower himself! These are the "miracles", and you "plant". And in the most, supposedly secret, part, the Chinese migrant workers lived, but the inspectors did not see the crime in this! It is funny and sad at the same time.
  8. Hellriker
    Hellriker 3 June 2013 10: 39
    +2
    To spoil the AK, with its tolerances and reasonableness - this should be able to.
  9. ale-x
    ale-x 3 June 2013 10: 42
    0
    Ahrenet. Survived!
  10. Yozhas
    Yozhas 3 June 2013 10: 42
    0
    Well, at least we still do not buy counterfeit grenades produced in Chinese. Although who knows.
  11. papas-57
    papas-57 3 June 2013 10: 44
    0
    By the way, now it is very profitable for enterprises to drive marriage, and then blame it on mythical fakes. And this is everywhere, starting with food and alcohol, and ending, as it is not regrettable, with weapons
  12. erased
    erased 3 June 2013 10: 44
    +2
    I do not understand those who are surprised. They gouged the military-industrial complex, dispersed the old cadres, but did not grow new ones, brought corruption to the limit and now you can bring anything into the country with impunity, no one bears any responsibility. And then they are still indignant!
    This is a consequence. So we disentangle ...
  13. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 3 June 2013 10: 48
    +7
    I began military service in the USSR. You can find fault and minus me, but such a situation in those years was impossible in principle. This was regarded as sabotage, undermining combat readiness and, as a result, 10 years as a minimum or the highest measure.
    Well, now we have "not 37th year" ... I wonder if these are still flowers, or are they the first berries?
    1. soaring
      soaring 3 June 2013 11: 07
      +3
      sanyabasik - I completely agree with you !!! Under the Soviets, this simply could not be in principle, or caps would fly to the very top !!! FROM the minister and to the locksmith, everything would be clarified and who should be planted! And now ..... Everyone is all fuck..y! It’s a pity that Kalash was so crap ... It's a shame ...
  14. Russ69
    Russ69 3 June 2013 10: 48
    +2
    And what we want, the military government was dispersed nafig. Here is the result.
  15. Dawn
    Dawn 3 June 2013 11: 07
    +3
    30 years of the camps with confiscation, and citizens will not even have the idea to steal from the army, otherwise you can’t re-educate these figures.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 3 June 2013 11: 15
      +4
      Are you cheating ?! Again repression ?! We have not 37 year! For this maximum finger chide and say ah - ah - ah ...
  16. Vanek
    Vanek 3 June 2013 11: 24
    0
    Only those stores that came with this weapon are suitable.

    Is that a cho? What about PPSh? Automatic and two stores - a set.
  17. Vtel
    Vtel 3 June 2013 11: 28
    +2
    It can be seen that the enemies specifically make such weapons, so that they could not be shot from the entom machine. Where are we going.
  18. V. A.
    V. A. 3 June 2013 11: 28
    0
    Quote: Black Colonel
    No words, only emotions.

    ... Only the drooling that our military prosecutors are letting out. JV Stalin would start from her.
  19. horoh
    horoh 3 June 2013 11: 32
    0
    What the hell is the failure of consumers, this is the combat readiness of the army and the security of the country !!!! What is the 37th year, according to the laws of wartime for treason and sabotage SHOT !!!!! And on the spot negative
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 June 2013 11: 37
      +3
      The fact is that this is hardly a counterfeit.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 3 June 2013 11: 51
        +4
        Most likely, marriage has become common for IZHMASH. Because the scheme of getting counterfeit into the military unit, I just can not imagine. Just first: NAFIGA?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 3 June 2013 12: 08
          +1
          Yes, this is an iron marriage of the Izhmashevskys who are completely cut off, who have already begun to use hammers when assembling weapons. The stories about "counterfeit" are just a fairy tale.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 3 June 2013 14: 05
            0
            Hammers during assembly are common. But when they are used instead of special tools, for certain and specific operations intended, or they do everything on the machine tools, FIG knows what old age ...
  20. smershspy
    smershspy 3 June 2013 11: 35
    +5
    Gentlemen! Better to start something like "SMERSH"! Let them be shot on the spot, and let the courts rest! For treason - execution! I have the honor!
    1. svp67
      svp67 3 June 2013 11: 40
      -3
      Quote: smershspy
      Let them shoot on the spot, and let the courts rest!
      And how will you react if SMERSH comes to you and carries out the sentence ... or to any of your relatives, and only many years later it turns out that they acted on libel?
      1. bubla5
        bubla5 3 June 2013 12: 21
        0
        To clean up, you can suffer
        1. svp67
          svp67 3 June 2013 13: 52
          -3
          Quote: bubla5
          To clean up, you can suffer

          Some kind of masochism ... Well, then you will not have to be surprised at anything ...
  21. ed65b
    ed65b 3 June 2013 11: 46
    +4
    The article is a complete lie. The supply of weapons to the military unit to track two fingers on the asphalt who worked in logistics knows this is not left pasta. Article left. minus
    1. Blackwater
      Blackwater 3 June 2013 12: 00
      -3
      There probably were no cartridges in the store ... This article is someone's sick fantasy.
  22. Alikovo
    Alikovo 3 June 2013 11: 57
    +1
    and to hell with the Chinese haggle
  23. Colonel
    Colonel 3 June 2013 12: 08
    +2
    Domestic machines. I am engaged in the acceptance of weapons from factories and I know that there can be no forged documents here, the mechanism is too complicated. But at the expense of the shops ... We received a batch of PP-19 "Bizon". They gave out to the people, held a lesson. After a while, they are invited to the duty room, asking for help in undocking the store. One miracle fastened to his "Bison" a store from a neighbor's (he didn't even look at the number). Unfastened, together, half an hour later.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 June 2013 12: 10
      +2
      Quote: colonel
      One miracle fastened to his "Bison" a store from a neighbor's (he didn't even look at the number). Unfastened, together, half an hour later.

      Why do we need such submachine guns?
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 3 June 2013 17: 01
        0
        Magazine capacity 4 packs of cartridges 9x18. Includes 2 stores. I suppose that counting 128 rounds for complete happiness is enough.
    2. family tree
      family tree 3 June 2013 12: 15
      +2
      Well, that’s the answer than GOST, the non-compliance of which was prosecuted by law, differs from TU.
    3. AK-47
      AK-47 3 June 2013 16: 00
      0
      Quote: colonel
      I am engaged in the acceptance of weapons from factories and I know ... One miracle fastened to my "Bison" a store from a neighbor's (I didn't even look at the number)

      And didn’t you try to not accept marriage?
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 3 June 2013 17: 03
        0
        So who knew him that they are so critical of other people's stores. We were told that it was not in vain that the shops were also numbered.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 3 June 2013 18: 08
          -1
          Well, in modern conditions this is a diagnosis for production, if parts or items of equipment are not interchangeable.
  24. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 3 June 2013 12: 30
    +1
    USSR, rearmament on 5.45 - I personally saw AK defective - the chamber on the barrel is not bored - the sleeve is climbing. fellow
  25. Begemot
    Begemot 3 June 2013 12: 32
    +1
    As for the circulation of the left weapon, an instructive story is recalled. In the year 86-87 (Gorbachev is already pluralizing and rebuilding it with might and main), several scientists developed and proposed an accounting system
    small arms and spare parts, which completely eliminated unaccounted for trunks and allows you to track their movement in the guns and warehouses. They were kicked from all the factories, and they turned to the Ministry of the code - they were fired and the case was closed. It is not profitable.
  26. uestlend
    uestlend 3 June 2013 12: 46
    -2
    Probably TABURETKIN bought goats need to shoot.
  27. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 3 June 2013 13: 12
    +1
    There are no perpetrators, or they will become witnesses in the case ... and what is wrong with this issue regarding the 37th year! ???????????
  28. Chukcha
    Chukcha 3 June 2013 13: 27
    +1
    The article is like a fake.
    There is no author or source.
  29. andsavichev2012
    andsavichev2012 3 June 2013 13: 27
    0
    The article is most likely bullshit journalistic ... counterfeit automatic machines from China .... laughing
  30. Volkhov
    Volkhov 3 June 2013 13: 30
    0
    The situation with the assault rifles is now the same as with rifles in the fall of 41 - the stocks of new AK-74s went to Libya and Syria to the rebels and already ran out (massively) more than a year ago, the stocks of AK-47 ran out recently (new to mobilize), the AKM series was used up earlier by the Allies USSR and all sorts of Caucasian police. That is, Soviet stocks - that’s all ... there are worn trunks that are not suitable for war due to inaccuracies and the old types (PPSh, DP, Mosin, RPD).
    The new AK 100+ goes to Venezuela, Iraq, Afghanistan and partly to the troops, and for the reservists - marriage and trash, that is, when mobilizing, Mosinka (who is lucky) of the 44th year of production is quite likely, also a curve due to the situation at the factories at that time.
  31. sys-1985
    sys-1985 3 June 2013 13: 33
    +1
    For this you need not to plant, but chop off your hands.
  32. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 3 June 2013 13: 33
    -1
    Yes, full PPC! But nothing, even this incredible news is encouraging - if such machines are riveted by China, then it means that they are also armed with China itself - draw conclusions.
  33. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 3 June 2013 13: 36
    0
    Yes, full PPC! But, draw conclusions - if China rivets such machines, then it is armed with the same ...
  34. Strashila
    Strashila 3 June 2013 13: 46
    -2
    "since for the manufacture of the same AK (hundred parts), sometimes worn-out equipment is used, which is more than 40 years old." ... so this is the most reliable equipment ... SOVIET or bought as it should be under the control of the state in those days. The cant can be shove from super-duper-modern Western hardware ... assembled from Chinese components, for cheapness.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 3 June 2013 14: 18
      -1
      No nonsense.
  35. kind
    kind 3 June 2013 13: 48
    +2
    Here is the result of the destruction of military acceptance.
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  36. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 3 June 2013 14: 09
    +1
    Quote: Hellriker
    To spoil the AK, with its tolerances and reasonableness - this should be able to.

    It would be a wish!
  37. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 3 June 2013 14: 16
    -1
    Well, it’s direct PPSh - they also only approached their disks. But in general, it’s a topic for the military prosecutor, because it’s pretty easy to track the authors, it’s not any pasta. And they got to the army.
  38. individual
    individual 3 June 2013 14: 42
    -1
    [b] Marx on capital
    [/ b].
    [B]“Provide capital with 10% profit, and capital agrees to any use, at 20% it becomes lively, at 50% it is positively ready to break its head, at 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime for which it does not would risk going, at least under pain of the gallows. ”
    Karl Marx 1835. [/ b]

    [b] And we are surprised at the fake Kalash ... [/ b]
  39. fisherman
    fisherman 3 June 2013 15: 21
    -1
    this check should affect not only the manufacturers of various types of weapons themselves, but also suppliers of component parts for these manufacturers, as well as private and foreign banks and financial institutions lending to these Russian military factories, not only in the hope of obtaining their bank interest, but and to participate in the subsequent illegal export of Russian weapons abroad. everyone knows that the only and official exporter of Russian weapons abroad is the state-owned company Rosoboronexport. others do not have the right to do such things. the businessman Ruben Vardanyan from Sberbank of Russia, who made a capitalist on the supply of Russian weapons abroad in the 90s, is especially noticeable in this illegal case.
  40. Sochi
    Sochi 3 June 2013 15: 22
    +2
    And what, the state acceptance is already gone? Damn, return all this junk to the factory, and let them bring to mind at their own expense, and even impose penalties ... and for every day the grandmother will be removed from them in the amount of the cost of the machine ... I think they will quickly come to my senses.
  41. starmos
    starmos 3 June 2013 17: 45
    +1
    Quote: Sochi
    return all this junk to the factory, and let it be brought to mind at your own expense, and even add the penalties ... and for every day the grandmother should be removed from them in the amount of the cost of the machine ... I think they will quickly come to their senses.

    I think they will go to court under the pretext "not our weapon" request and everything will get away with it, however, as usual, nothing new am
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 4 June 2013 09: 05
      0
      If you want guidance (and this is just the problem), to establish everything as I suggested is not a problem.
  42. ed1968
    ed1968 3 June 2013 18: 26
    +1
    Chinese Kalash in Russia !? belay all out wassat
    1. svp67
      svp67 3 June 2013 18: 29
      +1
      Quote: ed1968
      in Russia, the Chinese Kalash !? all out
      No, we have "our" Serdyukovs, who removed the military acceptance, so the marriage went to the troops ...
  43. ed65b
    ed65b 3 June 2013 18: 54
    -1
    colonel - Valera tell me, comrades have new Kalashi in their warehouses? otherwise people worry that they sold everything.
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 3 June 2013 20: 51
      +2
      I can only answer for my own. I have AKS74U last year born in 1996. Filled with CEDARS born in 2011, 2012 When one "craftsman" demolished the whispering of a single fire on a Kalash, Tula and Izhevsk refused to sell spare parts for repairs. similar barrels are discontinued. I sawed through the trunk, wrote the letter "U" and the Kalash became a training one.
  44. Genady1976
    Genady1976 3 June 2013 19: 26
    +1
    Yes, for 20 years everything is about --- whether even Kalash forgot how to do
  45. ale-x
    ale-x 3 June 2013 21: 30
    0
    If they are Chinese, then this is very bad. The little son does not serve for more than 1 day)))