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Finland in World War II

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Last month, the Finnish Defense Forces unveiled an archive of 160 000 photographs from the Second World War era. These are 1939 — 1945 snapshots describing the Winter War between Finland and the Soviet Union 1939 — 1940, Finland’s military actions when it became an ally of Nazi Germany in the 1941 — 1945 war against the Soviet Union, and the Lapland War — the hostilities between Finland and Germany in September 1944 - April 1945 of the year.


The swastika is one of the most ancient and widespread graphic symbols. From 1918 to 1945, the swastika is depicted on the banners of the Air Force and tank troops of Finland, and currently on the presidential standard.

Snowmobile with a propeller and a swastika, Haapasaari, Finland. (Photo by SA-kuva):

Finland in World War II


Flamethrower in action. In the forest near the village of Niinisalo in Finland, 1 July 1942. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Military operations over Yamijärvi, Finland, 17 July 1942. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Waiting for the approaching enemy aircraft. This incredible device is an acoustic locator. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Finnish soldier in Mikkeli, Finland, September 4 1941. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Finnish tank crew, 8 July 1941 of the year. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Evacuation of civilians, 1 July 1941. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Downed Soviet aircraft. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Hitler's visit to Finland in June 1942. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Helsinki bombing by Soviet aircraft, November 30 1939. On this day, the Soviet Union attacked Finland. The number of divisions - 21, the total number of soldiers - 450 thousands. Winter War has begun. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Wounded in Helsinki. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Lit building on Senate Square in Helsinki. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Helsinki streets after the bombing. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Anti-aircraft gun in Helsinki. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Vyborg. Then still in Finland. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Finnish armored train. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Experimental transportation of troops in cold weather. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Military Dog School Hämeenlinna. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Rocket launched from the forest. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Street fighting in Medvezhegorsk, Russia. The city was occupied by Finland for three years. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Frozen soldier. (Photo by SA-kuva):



About 400 Russian soldiers killed in battle, 1 February 1940. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Frozen horse near Ruhtinaanmäki, 21 January 1940. (Photo by SA-kuva):



A soldier in a protective suit against a gas attack. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Downed Soviet aircraft. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Restoration of the bombed tram tracks. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Two girls on the ruins of the Martin Cathedral in Turku, Finland. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Soviet prisoners of war. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Rising out of the water locomotive. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Air-raid hospital in Mikkeli, Finland. (Photo by SA-kuva):



An explosion at a military facility in the port in Helsinki, 14 September 1941. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Bomb attack. (Photo by SA-kuva):



The dead German soldier. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Cathedral in Vyborg after the bombing. (Photo by SA-kuva):



A thirteen year old boy in the hospital. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Bombers over the field, 2 July 1944. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Burning village Nurmoila, Finland. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Helmets of dead Soviet soldiers, 28 July 1941. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Finnish motorcycle and swastika tank. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Disguised bike, 17 August 1941. (Photo by SA-kuva):



Soldier and reindeer on the ice in northern Lapland, Finland, October 26 1941. (Photo by SA-kuva):

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  1. xetai9977
    xetai9977 4 June 2013 08: 40 New
    10
    War is scary!
    1. avt
      avt 4 June 2013 09: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: xetai9977
      War is scary!

      Yes, not a computer shooter. Especially when it becomes everyday, probably more correct, everyday reality and people just survive in it, but think that they live.
  2. Greyfox
    Greyfox 4 June 2013 08: 41 New
    +9
    Soldier and reindeer on ice in northern Lapland, Finland, October 26, 1941 of the year.

    Deer on the left. (well, just in case ...) laughing
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 4 June 2013 09: 44 New
      +5
      And if you look closely, the deer shows the middle horn to this soldier.

      and in the photo, where our dead soldiers, wallets are all turned upside down - foolishness?

      1. Samuray
        Samuray 4 June 2013 12: 04 New
        +4
        In war, looting is a common thing, and all armies sin without exception!
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 4 June 2013 18: 50 New
        +3
        And here his FIG knows, everything mixed up there: looting / collection of documents and personal data, etc. The usual thing for most wars
    3. Greyfox
      Greyfox 4 June 2013 10: 59 New
      +5
      Cons, as I understand it, from relatives of a deer ... laughing Offended ...
  3. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 4 June 2013 09: 38 New
    +5
    The Finns were never something significant, only thanks to the Soviet Union, they established themselves as a people, and then we had a knife in the side.

    And we also helped them restore the economy after the war by purchasing the lion's share of Finnish products. But after NTV showed a report about their sadistic attitude towards children, especially towards Russians, I lost all respect for them.

    And they are no warriors, just I.V. Stalin, did not stand up, got up and shot the wrong people, and the Finns fell into the hands of victory, and even then, only until 1943, and then, as mongrel, they grinned against their allies, which further confirms that they are like grass in the field, where the wind is, there they are.

    The eternal memory of Soviet Aviation and our pilots!
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 4 June 2013 09: 59 New
      15
      I can not agree with you. As an autonomy within the Russian Empire, it existed long before the formation of the USSR. Although it was the Russians who helped preserve the identity and language, there were all the prerequisites for the absorption of Finland by Sweden, with subsequent assimilation.
      As soldiers Finns showed themselves very well, the motivation for the defense of their homeland was very high.
      We must pay tribute to the political wisdom of Carl Gustav Emile Mannenheim, in time brought his country out of the war. At the same time, it should be understood that if only Stalin was confident of an easy victory with “little blood”. this would not have saved Finland from occupation.
      1. Rider
        Rider 4 June 2013 11: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Bongo
        At the same time, it should be understood that if only Stalin was sure of an easy victory with "little blood." this would not save Finland from occupation.


        specify what time your statement refers to.
        because after the Second World War, the Red Army (and after the Soviets army) could roll any European army into a pancake.
        It’s another matter that at that time Finland didn’t need anything else, since it refused to cooperate with the West and satisfied ALL the requirements of the USSR, both territorial and military.
      2. smile
        smile 4 June 2013 16: 38 New
        +8
        Bongo
        The Finns also had a motivation to seize our territories (right from the moment of rejecting part of our territory with the help of the German corps), which exceeded the territory of Finland by 2 times. I hope you didn’t forget about the dreams of Great Suomi?
        The political wisdom of this consistent hostility woke up after we hacked their defensive system to the full depth within a week, losing much less than the Finns and the country led by this fascist henchman was doomed .. tada yeah ... wise Karl fussed and stopped make friends with bad Hitler ....
        I hope you also remember that only in the newly created Suomi after the defeat of the Red Finns inflicted by German troops more people were killed than died on both sides during the fighting ... concentration camps were created ... Nazism was unusually popular, it was created shyutskor - translation-security units ... does not resemble anything?
        So, praise the good Stalin, who destroyed the Finnish army a second time, this time with little blood, but did not occupy Finland by forgiving its aggressive plans - the main thing for us was to ensure our security, as in the year 39.
        And they were good soldiers, for twenty years they, with the help of the leading countries of Europe, have been actively preparing for an aggressive coalition war against us ... have prepared.
      3. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian 5 June 2013 19: 22 New
        +1
        Watch the magnificent comedy of the Finnish-Soviet production "behind the matches" just about Finnish life as part of Russia, where peaceful Finns look very friendly and interesting; I also visited Sartaval on Ladoga - picturesque places.

        But there is its own specifics of the battle, and even though I share the authority of Stalin in organizing the management of industry and collaboration. In military affairs, I always admired Trotsky, Zhukov, Rokossovsky and Rybalko, and these are just a few names of talented military leaders.

        And not one of them took part in the Soviet-Finnish war. Therefore, the offensive and the rear were built mediocre. I didn’t have to deal with Finns, but the Swedish soldiers, in my opinion, are characterized by the logic of a jackal - to snatch and run away, and they are not mentally prepared for a long war, unlike a Russian person.

        PieS: look, they lose their traditions and their culture without war, practically work for China and India. Although it suits me, for me, Saracen is more dear to the crusader.
        1. rodevaan
          rodevaan 8 July 2015 17: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Kostya pedestrian
          for me - Saracen is dearer than the crusader.


          “You know,” I recently, recognizing the rotten grin of the West getting better and better — I begin to agree with you! Saracen, he is even a Mohammedan - but he is open, and all his actions are open. And the western trash - those rot, - they will trample you in the mud and the last cowards will be taken away.
      4. Corsair
        Corsair 5 June 2013 21: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        I can not agree with you. As an autonomy within the Russian Empire, it existed long before the formation of the USSR. Although it was the Russians who helped preserve the identity and language, there were all the prerequisites for the absorption of Finland by Sweden, with subsequent assimilation.
        As soldiers Finns showed themselves very well, the motivation for the defense of their homeland was very high.
        We must pay tribute to the political wisdom of Carl Gustav Emile Mannenheim, in time brought his country out of the war. At the same time, it should be understood that if only Stalin was confident of an easy victory with “little blood”. this would not have saved Finland from occupation.

        Stalin did not need the occupation of Finland, otherwise it would have been the 16 Soviet Republic already in the 1940 year ...
    2. Parabelum
      Parabelum 4 June 2013 11: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: Kostya pedestrian
      Yes, and they are no warriors

      That you tell the 100 who died during the Winter War. After all, if the Finns are no warriors, then ours didn’t know how to fight at all? As smart people say: "He who does not remember his past is doomed to relive it again."
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 4 June 2013 12: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Parabelum
        That you tell the 100 who died during the Winter War. After all, if the Finns are no warriors, then ours didn’t know how to fight at all? As smart people say: "He who does not remember his past is doomed to relive it again."

        Nevertheless, for the Soviet Union, such losses (incidentally, the losses are about 200000, but all of this together with missing persons, frostbite, died from illnesses, etc.) were not critical. Yes, scary, creepy, but not deadly. But for the Finns, alas. By February 1940, when the armistice was concluded at Manerheim, there was only enough troops to somehow keep the front (which was not continuous, there were "windows"), in addition, we must remember the 18th and 168th divisions that were in boilers "- they had to either be restrained or destroyed, which also required effort and money.
        The winter war was a sobering lesson. If it weren’t, a year later, in 1941 the situation could be many times worse.
        1. Parabelum
          Parabelum 4 June 2013 12: 47 New
          +2
          I agree with you, some conclusions were drawn from this bloody lesson. But among these conclusions was not "Yes, and they are no warriors." The Finns knew how to fight, and this is recognized by all historians.
          1. Kostya pedestrian
            Kostya pedestrian 5 June 2013 19: 47 New
            0
            I repeat once again: the majority of the losses of that war — from machine-gun fire in the ranks of attackers from the lowlands, were also achieved by the SS fascists, chained by their “colleagues” in the pillboxes during the retreat of the SS units, but this does not mean their tactical and strategic abilities.

            So this is not a victory for the Finns, but a disregard for our commanders, who are accustomed to war in an open field with cavalry with a saber.
            1. Parabelum
              Parabelum 6 June 2013 08: 06 New
              0
              Honestly, I do not understand your logic. I immediately recall the words of the stoker Baklanov from Tsushima: “If both sides were armed only with shafts, then the Japanese would not be able to resist us. The people are small, weak.”
              Then what do you say about the operation near Lake Tolvajärvi, where the Finns set up a twenty thousandth division with the efforts of one regiment and four battalions? Also not a tactical and strategic victory? Or the battle of Suomussalmi, when significant forces of the Red Army came to the aid of one surrounded Soviet division and ... suffered a crushing fiasco, while having a technical and human advantage?
              I will also repeat any defeat from the dolby *** ma of our own command, this is already the victory of the enemy, both strategically and tactically.
        2. Uzoliv
          Uzoliv 4 June 2013 19: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Landwarrior
          Nevertheless, for the Soviet Union, such losses (incidentally, the losses are about 200000, but all of this together with missing persons, frostbite, died from illnesses, etc.) were not critical.

          According to Krivosheev’s reference book (Military Publishing House 1993), our irrevocable losses (killed) are 126875 people, plus sanitary losses (injured) 264908. The total losses make 391783 by making an elementary mathematical addition.
          1. Landwarrior
            Landwarrior 4 June 2013 21: 13 New
            +2
            Uzoliv, I have a friend professor historian who is engaged in the Winter War, and for a long time and seriously. The figure voiced by me is from him.
            And why put the wounded with the dead? Yes, you can’t put the seriously wounded into service, but they did not all die, so there’s nothing to write them down to.
            1. Uzoliv
              Uzoliv 4 June 2013 22: 05 New
              0
              You see, I did not quite understand the figure that you brought these - 200000. Either it is killed, or total losses. That's why I brought, so to speak, official figures. This is for 1993, maybe now something has changed, but I do not think that in a smaller direction.
              And about the fact that I wrote them down where it is not necessary. I used the recording scheme that is in this directory: four graphs - killed, wounded, general and daily average (I did not specify the latter). Just such a recording technique. No malicious intent.
              1. Landwarrior
                Landwarrior 5 June 2013 21: 48 New
                0
                Given the losses in the "Winter" is generally a disaster, to be honest. My great-grandfather fought in 208 pp The 18th SD, was killed in February 1940, the funeral came in March, when the war was already over. However, after a couple of months another paper came, stating that he was not killed, but was missing. The great-grandmother immediately took away the survivor's pension, which was appointed shortly before.
                There are 208 sp. there are already about a dozen people there. Maybe they are more unknown. And for all, not a single archive of any information. If I hadn’t kept the documents, there would have been nothing to prove ...
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 5 June 2013 21: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Landwarrior
          If it weren’t, in a year, in 1941 the situation could be many times worse.

          Leningrad could have taken the rally, given its extremely dangerous proximity to the border and HOW events would have turned after the loss of such a significant point, it’s scary to even imagine ...
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 4 June 2013 13: 18 New
        +5
        We will be objective. We will hold out against the enemy far superior to them in manpower and equipment and inflict SUCH losses .... The Finns fought very competently. The scale of the personality of Mannerheim, who was a lieutenant general of the imperial army (awarded with golden weapons for courage), also played a significant role. . Despite Hitler’s pressure, he did not move the Finnish troops to Leningrad, but confined himself to the Karelian Isthmus.
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 4 June 2013 13: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          Despite Hitler’s pressure, he never moved Finnish troops to Leningrad, but limited himself to the Karelian Isthmus.

          Well, here I’ll disappoint you a little - the Finns did not have heavy artillery to break through the defense, and therefore they could not break through to Leningrad.
          1. AlexW
            AlexW 5 June 2013 05: 28 New
            0
            Hitler stubbornly offered him heavy artillery. With German calculations and without. Mannerheim did not kick out in every possible way.
            1. Landwarrior
              Landwarrior 5 June 2013 15: 57 New
              +2
              AlexW , something in the memoirs of Mannerheim did not find such a moment winked
              "You won’t wash the black male off." (c) if you understand what I mean hi
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 5 June 2013 21: 24 New
          0
          Quote: xetai9977
          We will be objective. We will hold out against the enemy far superior to them in manpower and equipment and inflict such losses .... The Finns fought very competently

          The Manerheim Line, the most powerful and state-of-the-art UR, the Red Army took on the forehead in the conditions of a polar winter, in a poorly explored, impassable terrain without the ability to maneuver around it (as the Nazis did with the Maginot Line). So the losses of the Soviet troops are quite comparable with the severity of the tasks entrusted to them ... The Finnish troops are honored that they were able to organize defense, and to defend as it is known is easier and easier.
        3. family
          family tree 5 June 2013 22: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          Despite Hitler’s pressure, he never moved Finnish troops to Leningrad, but limited himself to the Karelian Isthmus.

          They ran into KaUR, and therefore did not move. "Well, I didn’t mean ..." But I wanted to
          The document, received on September 5, 1941, three days before the blockade began, from the General Staff to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Finland: "An attack on the Petersburg fortifications between the border and St. Petersburg will probably require many victims, since they are very protected, and isn’t it better to take it from the south or whether to force the capitals of the city to surrender through hunger. "
          There is also a letter from the Finnish Ambassador to Berlin, Kivimäki, to the Minister for Foreign Affairs Whitting, where he urged "to get Germany to completely destroy St. Petersburg, since it is a constantly attractive force for the Russian population." This “letter of trust” was soon sent to President Ryti.
      3. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian 5 June 2013 19: 41 New
        0
        order the soldiers to attack in loose snow from the back with machine guns that cannot be reached with grenades - and so on up to eight attacks per day.

        How many days will it take, say, ten calculations of “Maxims” in bunkers on a hill with forest plantations to mow such a number?

        There was no art preparation, the landing was minimal, tanks in the forest ?, there were no flanking attacks by the sea. In short, the same thing when Budyonny, not with the help of Stalin, laid down Russian soldiers near Warsaw, losing to the small garrison of the Polish army.

        Not the soldiers win, but the commanders, and the more far-sighted and wiser the commander, the more chances the soldier has to drink for the Victory!
        1. i.xxx-1971
          i.xxx-1971 29 July 2013 01: 22 New
          0
          Not Budyonny, but Tukhachevsky.
  4. Dima190579
    Dima190579 4 June 2013 09: 48 New
    +2
    And now and many years ago, the war brought nothing but suffering and does not bring and does not bring. God forbid no one to war.
  5. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 4 June 2013 09: 53 New
    +4
    “Ancient swastika ?!”, hehe, they saw the ancient! am
    1. Parabelum
      Parabelum 4 June 2013 12: 02 New
      +4
      Here you are again wrong, the swastika was approved by Hitler in the summer of 1920 as a symbol of the National Socialist German Workers Party.
      From 1918 to 1945, the swastika is depicted on the banners of the Finnish Air Force and armored forces, and nowadays - on the presidential standard.
      The Finnish swastika is “ancient” to the German one brought to you, albeit for two years, but still ancient.
      1. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian 5 June 2013 19: 59 New
        0
        or maybe the Finns threw Hitler to the Germans, some very non-native ones, google “simo haikha”.
        And what? How is the idea? Use the mishandled dude so that the Germans can kill the aborigines of peaceful and good Europeans, then the Russians, destroy the German, Slavic, Baltic and Russian peoples, and then settle the insisting Aryans on our lands. Worthy of wevesa himself, and this one will be according to the ancient Vedas.
        1. Parabelum
          Parabelum 6 June 2013 08: 14 New
          0
          Eeee Simo Haiha? This is a Finnish sniper, if my memory serves me right. What does the swastika have to do with it? You blow my brain. I don’t see a causal link between the sniper, Hitler and the use of the Finnish swastika before the Nazis.
  6. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 4 June 2013 10: 25 New
    +5
    Hitler arrived in Finland and was met by President Ryti. Mannerheim did not come to meet, allegedly saying that the marshal could not meet the corporal. The photographs are of high quality.
  7. revnagan
    revnagan 4 June 2013 11: 03 New
    0
    They were given little ... The unfinished forest grows again ...
    1. Samuray
      Samuray 4 June 2013 11: 25 New
      +2
      Something I do not understand you. At 39, the Finns fought for the independence of their country, but the Soviet Union was just the same aggressor. What should they give them?
      1. Rider
        Rider 4 June 2013 11: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Samuray
        Something I do not understand you ___ Why should they give them?


        Well, at least for this: One of the Russian emigrants living at that time not far from Vyborg described the situation in the city as follows: “Everything was resolutely, from high school students to officials who came across the eyes of the victors in Russian uniform and shot at the spot; not far from the Pimenovs' house, two realists were killed, who ran out in their uniforms to greet the whites; 3 cadets were killed in the city; the surrendered red whites cordoned off and drove into the moat; at the same time, they also captured part of the crowd that was on the streets, and indiscriminately finished off in the ditch and in other places. Who was shot, for which, all this was unknown to the heroes of the knife! They were shot in front of the crowd; Before being shot, they tore off watches and rings from people, took away wallets, pulled off boots, clothes, etc. They especially hunted for Russian officers; their number was lost, and among them were their commandant, quartermaster, who had transferred his warehouse to white before this, and a gendarme officer; many were called from apartments, ostensibly to view documents, and they didn’t return home, and relatives then looked for them in heaps of bodies in the moat: even linen was removed from them ”[17].

        taken:http://actualhistory.ru/finland_russophobia
        1. Samuray
          Samuray 4 June 2013 11: 57 New
          -2
          And where did you get such bloodthirstiness from? Those people have long been gone. It's time to learn how to live in peace with neighbors, learn from them and not despise and give
          1. Rider
            Rider 4 June 2013 12: 27 New
            +5
            Quote: Samuray
            It’s time to learn how to live in peace with neighbors,


            perhaps I will dispel your pink mriy about the "universal happiness and well-being of the masses"

            interesting article, a couple of quotes (for the seed)
            Finland without a mask
            Johan Backman

            Many Finnish officials expect Russia to fall apart in 2015-2025, with the result that vast territories will move to Finland. According to the Finns, Russia is, in economic terms, an insignificantly small parasite state and a developing country, whose greedy leaders steal all the funds that come from abroad. According to the leading “specialists” of the Finnish Foreign Ministry, the Russians are lazy, greedy and dodgy liars who are not able to lead or take responsibility. The Finnish Foreign Ministry considers the final collapse of Russia as the only positive option for the development of events.

            The Finnish media create an extremely negative view of Russians. Finns consider Russia a "developing country." All Russian women, according to the Finns, are prostitutes, and Russian men are arrogant and greedy thieves and bandits. Many wish the final collapse of Russia and, as a result, the transition of Karelia to Finland.

            Finnish experts emphasized that the Russian economy is in its infancy and is unlikely to exceed the size of the Finnish economy. The Finns consider Russia an insignificant parasite attached to Finland, which itself cannot use its natural resources.

            Every year, Finnish experts predict the final collapse of the Russian economy. According to estimates by the Finnish Embassy in Moscow, the natural resources of Russia are insignificant - having sold all of its gas and oil reserves, Russia would be able to ensure a decent existence for its citizens only for six months, Finnish experts say in Moscow.


            taken: http://russway.narod.ru/articles/west06.htm
            1. Samuray
              Samuray 4 June 2013 12: 29 New
              -3
              Well, what do you propose to do ?! Beat?! especially since this is a forecast and I agree with some conclusions
              1. Rider
                Rider 4 June 2013 12: 38 New
                +2
                Quote: Samuray
                especially since this is a forecast and I agree with some conclusions


                and with which not with these: Finnish experts annually predict the final collapse of the Russian economy (taken from article)

                and what we have at the moment: On June 2, the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) published on its website the economic results of 2012 for its member countries and accession countries. The volume of GDP of the Russian Federation at purchasing power parity amounted to 3,38 trillion. dollars, Germany - 3,30 trillion. dollars. Thus, Russia became the largest European economy for the first time after the collapse of the USSR.
                taken:http://oko-planet.su/finances/financesnews/190772-oesr-rossiya-krupneyshaya-ekon
                omika-evropy.html


                or maybe you agree that Russia will fall apart?
                or all Russian women are prostitutes, and men are thieves and drunkards?
                you specify your Wishlist.
                1. Samuray
                  Samuray 4 June 2013 12: 45 New
                  -3
                  Well, my friend, what complexes do you have :-)
                  I agree with this quote: the greedy leaders of which plunder all the funds coming from abroad.
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 4 June 2013 12: 55 New
                    +1
                    you please do not shift from a sick head to a healthy one.
                    because you agree with the "theses" of the Finnish side.
                    1. Samuray
                      Samuray 4 June 2013 13: 00 New
                      -2
                      You asked! I replied
                      1. Rider
                        Rider 4 June 2013 13: 11 New
                        +1
                        I answered you. that most of the “forecasts” of the Finnish “analitecofs” are FULL bullshit.

                        but you apparently find an excuse for this, too, something like "well, they steal it, it means the truth."
                      2. Samuray
                        Samuray 4 June 2013 13: 14 New
                        0
                        And what is no longer stolen belay
                      3. Rider
                        Rider 4 June 2013 13: 17 New
                        +1
                        and where they do not steal?

                        name the country and I will dispel your illusions.
                      4. Samuray
                        Samuray 4 June 2013 13: 37 New
                        -2
                        Tell me, corruption in the former USSR begins with kindergarten and ends in ritual offices! Now imagine whether teachers or educators in the USA will take a bribe, or for example, try to give a policeman to his paw!
                      5. Rider
                        Rider 4 June 2013 13: 51 New
                        +2
                        my joy!
                        You have found yourself on fertile ground!
                        since you touched the USA
                        then I assure you there corruption is elevated to the rank of LAW!
                        Have you heard anything about LOBBY?
                        there are CORPORATIONS at the CONGRESS level.

                        so an attempt to expose America as a model of society is doomed to failure.
                      6. Rider
                        Rider 4 June 2013 14: 04 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Rider
                        so an attempt to expose America as a model of society is doomed to failure.


                        reference should read:

                        so an attempt to expose America as a model of society WITHOUT CORRUPTION is doomed to failure.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 4 June 2013 18: 54 New
                -1
                Do you read Finnish?
  8. Gecko
    Gecko 4 June 2013 15: 34 New
    +1
    Probably we, as “barbarians”, do not need to buy Finnish plumbing, but go straight to the street out of need, why do we paint them with primitive dugouts and why do we need their tires for backward wooden carts.
  9. rodevaan
    rodevaan 8 July 2015 17: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Rider
    Quote: Samuray
    It’s time to learn how to live in peace with neighbors,


    perhaps I will dispel your pink mriy about the "universal happiness and well-being of the masses"

    interesting article, a couple of quotes (for the seed)
    Finland without a mask
    Johan Backman

    Many Finnish officials expect Russia to fall apart in 2015-2025, with the result that vast territories will move to Finland. According to the Finns, Russia is, in economic terms, an insignificantly small parasite state and a developing country, whose greedy leaders steal all the funds that come from abroad. According to the leading “specialists” of the Finnish Foreign Ministry, the Russians are lazy, greedy and dodgy liars who are not able to lead or take responsibility. The Finnish Foreign Ministry considers the final collapse of Russia as the only positive option for the development of events.

    The Finnish media create an extremely negative view of Russians. Finns consider Russia a "developing country." All Russian women, according to the Finns, are prostitutes, and Russian men are arrogant and greedy thieves and bandits. Many wish the final collapse of Russia and, as a result, the transition of Karelia to Finland.

    Finnish experts emphasized that the Russian economy is in its infancy and is unlikely to exceed the size of the Finnish economy. The Finns consider Russia an insignificant parasite attached to Finland, which itself cannot use its natural resources.

    Every year, Finnish experts predict the final collapse of the Russian economy. According to estimates by the Finnish Embassy in Moscow, the natural resources of Russia are insignificant - having sold all of its gas and oil reserves, Russia would be able to ensure a decent existence for its citizens only for six months, Finnish experts say in Moscow.


    taken: http://russway.narod.ru/articles/west06.htm


    - Yes, they beat this chukhnik, and we will beat, if necessary again. In the Winter and World War II, every fifth Chukhonite was destroyed. That's what they are now sitting in neutrality for 70 years. Not just like that. And piss at one word Russia.
  • Rider
    Rider 4 June 2013 12: 34 New
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    I will continue

    (taken from there)

    Well, what do Finns think of themselves?
    When Finland joined the European Union in 1995, the Finns had an urgent need to prove that their roots, it turns out, are not in Russia in the Volga region, but that they are the chosen people of Europe, the people-lord.
    According to a recent study by Finnish scientists, Finns are the original people of Europe, who laid the foundation for European culture and was the first ruler of Europe. The Finnish Foreign Ministry also broadcasts to the whole world about the nobility of Finnish origin.
    And besides this, the Finns consider the division of people into higher and lower races natural. In their own opinion, the Finns, they belong to the very top of the racial hierarchy, as they can develop high technologies and use them. Nokia is living proof of this claim. Finns belong to the lower levels of the racial hierarchy, since, according to the Finns, the Russian ignoramuses do not know how to steal or tell jokes.

    Finnish history
    The Finns participated in the Second World War on the side of fascist Germany. The Finns pursued the same goals as the Nazis: the destruction of Russia, the looting of its wealth and territories, the destruction and enslavement of the people of Russia. Even then, the Finns considered the Russians to be lagging behind in the development of lower race people.
    Now the Finns want to abandon any ties with Adolf Hitler, although the Finns attacked the Soviet Union on the side of Hitler in the summer of 1941. Fighting on the side of Hitler, the Finns hoped to implement the idea of ​​Great Finland, to carry out ethnic cleansing there to destroy the Russian population. Petrozavodsk was in Finnish occupation in 1941-44. The Finns created several concentration camps for the Russian civilian population in East Karelia.
    The Finns participated in the blockade of Leningrad in the hope of destroying this city. Finnish President Risto Ryti wanted to move the Finnish border to the Neva. The most important figure in the history of Finland, JK Paasikivi even prepared a speech on the occasion of the destruction of Leningrad.
    Hitler's defeat in the war was an unbearable blow for the Finns, from which they have not yet retreated. The Finns still do not understand how this fate can be so unfair that it allowed Hitler to lose the war.


    and finally
    Friends of the terrorists

    Finns also provide top-level assistance to Chechen terrorists. When the European Union organized an assembly in Helsinki in 1999, a senior Foreign Minister of Finland, René Nyberg, met with a representative of Chechen terrorists at the hotel during the assembly. This fact came out and caused an unprecedented scandal.


    I especially draw attention to the fact that this is the opinion of a FINNISH writer. scientist and publicist about the FINNISH opinion about Russians and about Russia.

    Incidentally, I note that ONLY AFTER THE TERRORIST ACT in BOSTON, the address of the Caucasus Center site was closed (you know whose)
    Before that, I felt completely at ease on Finnish servers.
    1. Samuray
      Samuray 4 June 2013 12: 42 New
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      Well, this again, all nations sin! Historians rewrite their history and portray themselves as God's chosen people! But about the negative attitude towards Russia, you did not ask yourself why they so disliked their northern neighbor that made friends with Fascist Germany ...
      I will also quote the Russian author on this topic:
      I could not imagine then that very many foreigners, especially from youth who had lived in our country for several years (I don’t take diplomats into account - they have a special talk about them), go home if not the enemies of our state, then, in any case, very disappointed in all the good that they heard about the USSR before coming to us. Our reality is completely incompatible with everyday life in most countries I know.
      I don’t think the situation has changed in Russia today.
      1. Rider
        Rider 4 June 2013 12: 54 New
        +1
        you would bring the name of the author, all of a sudden this is a type of people like (not by the night remembered) Novodvorskaya, which considers the Russian people the dung of history.

        and again, according to your words, it turns out that they say we should forgive their shoals, but ours (like the same winter war (although I do not consider it unfair)) cultivate and repent in every way.
        1. Samuray
          Samuray 4 June 2013 12: 59 New
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          This character served in the KGB in Division 5 and oversaw the Novodvorskys. And about the jambs, what did they do to you personally ???? Again, I repeat that those people are no longer in this world and they have nothing to show! And do not repent! History itself will put everything in its place! Regarding the Winter War, this is ordinary aggression, the USSR attacked Finland, you can at least interpret and whitewash yourself and prove a thousand times that they say that we are right and therefore attacked, but the fact is a fact!
          1. Rider
            Rider 4 June 2013 13: 17 New
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            Quote: Samuray
            This character served in the KGB in Division 5 and oversaw the Novodvorsky


            Well, clearly, and then I followed the cutter.

            Quote: Samuray
            And do not repent! History itself will put everything in its place!

            so she arranged.
            the article cited by me is REALS OF THE RECENT PAST
            from them it is clearly visible how the Finns relate to us.
            and incidents involving the weaning of Russian children and the Kavkaz Center site are directly located.

            and you will see from non-resistance 7
            1. Samuray
              Samuray 4 June 2013 13: 25 New
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              You're wrong! This man served honestly and now lives in retirement in Moscow. He did not betray anyone and was not sold to anyone! It is simply useless to urge patriots to point out flaws!
              And regarding the weaning of children, and the Caucasus, let the Foreign Ministry deal with this center. I generally take a neutral position! By the way, I was always amazed at the patriotism of the Slavs born in Kazastan and living there! They do not consider the birthplace of the place where they were born and raised. Strange why!
              1. Rider
                Rider 4 June 2013 13: 37 New
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                Quote: Samuray
                You're wrong! This man served honestly and now lives in retirement in Moscow. He did not betray anyone and was not sold to anyone!


                okay, believe the word.

                Quote: Samuray
                And regarding the weaning of children, and the Caucasus, let the Foreign Ministry deal with this center


                you accidentally did not lose a thread of discussion?
                you initially said that they say we have nothing to offend the Finns.
                they say (type) in their own right.
                and suddenly it turns out that the Finns are not at all white and fluffy and there are no less shoals in front of the Russians, and KOSYAKOV DOES NOT BECOME LESS.


                Quote: Samuray
                I generally take a neutral position!


                Well, definitely from non-resistance.

                Quote: Samuray
                Slavs born in Kazastan and living there! They do not consider the birthplace of the place where they were born and raised. Strange why!


                and this is your spirit in a spiritualistic session
                whispered in your ear?

                and if touched.
                I CONSIDER KAZAKHSTAN AS MY HOMELAND!
                as well as Russia, in the army of which he served.
              2. Samuray
                Samuray 4 June 2013 13: 44 New
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                Well, you are a thread that I did not lose! Do not forget that these Russian children are citizens of Finland, and some have two citizenships! Therefore, it would be better if the Foreign Ministry understands. Remember that before the attack on Finland, the USSR prepared an alternative government from the Finnish communists which was supposed to take the reins of government after the fall of the white whales. Than not a jamb! And what do you mean by the word non-resident ??? Please explain. Moreover, I have nothing to do with Russia or Finland. Well, what a pleasure for you! It is good that you consider Kazakhstan to be your homeland. That would be so :-)
              3. Rider
                Rider 4 June 2013 14: 01 New
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                that's exactly what they lost
                in your opinion it turned out that the Russians have nothing to show the finals, they say one winter war wrote off everything.

                on the war itself.
                Yes, it was.
                since the USSR needed a friendly (controlled) government in case of a major war.
                and extension of borders from Leningrad.
                and by the way, having received a plunge at 40m, the Finns learned a lesson, and abandoned the immense priteniya on Korelia and northern Russia almost to the Urals.

                but non-resident.
                it is a non-resident of violence.
                and in your case (since you are not Finnish and not Russian) then it is to be kind at someone else's expense.
  • revnagan
    revnagan 4 June 2013 21: 27 New
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    Quote: Samuray
    you didn’t ask yourself why they so disliked their northern neighbor that made friends with Fascist Germany ...

    Excuse me, dear, did you confuse the chronology of events? Cause and effect?
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 5 June 2013 20: 07 New
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    Good advice for Japan. And then the wolf is looking at Russia.
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 4 June 2013 11: 52 New
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    Well, for what? At least in 1922. And for the Russian massacre in Helsingfors (Helsinki) in the fall of 1917. They had jambs.
    1. Samuray
      Samuray 4 June 2013 11: 58 New
      -1
      And you mean there are no stocks.
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 4 June 2013 12: 09 New
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        Well, there is, how not to be. request I love to know whether you can drive into Finland by cutting to the fullest "Take us, Suomi-Beauty!"
        I know that the Finnish border guards do not like her, but I can not help myself laughing wassat
  • smile
    smile 4 June 2013 16: 55 New
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    Samuray
    The Finns, by that time, had been preparing for an aggressive coalition war for 20 years. In the year 39, the immediate plans were to establish a new border with the USSR along the Neva, the southern shore of Lake Ladoga, Svir, Lake Onega and further to the White Sea and the Arctic Ocean (with the inclusion of the Kola Peninsula)
    At the same time, Finland’s area was doubled, and the land border with the USSR was more than halved. The border would pass entirely along deep rivers and sea-like lakes. When they agreed with Hitler at the beginning of '41 on a joint attack on us. appetites, of course, increased ...
    They fought for the seizure of our lands ... read about the course of bilateral negotiations in the year 39, and even you will have nothing to object to ... and even read at least the documents presented in Shirokorad’s books “The Great Intermission”. "Baltic land mine of Peter the Great." Mukhin "2 MV. Victims ..." .. only documents. without the author’s text ... after that, you will stop talking about the struggle for independence ... if you are not a Russophobe.
    By the way, the Finns themselves published almost all their predatory plans ... they hide almost nothing ... but, of course, it's hard to find out if you yourself do not want to abandon the fairy tale so kind to your heart about the innocent victim of the evil Stalin. ..
  • revnagan
    revnagan 4 June 2013 21: 23 New
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    Quote: Samuray
    What should they give them?

    It would be for that, they would have razed it to the ground. But it was for that. For the "lahtari" in the 20s, for the Great Suomi card hanging in every Finnish house, which included Petrozavodsk in the future Finland and signed by Mannegraim. For cut-out border guards, for “Shutskor.” And, by the way, Finland’s independence was not threatened. The “Government of Finland” created by Stalin was needed only to legitimize the fact of the rejection of part of the Finnish territory, because even according to the results of the Great Patriotic War Finland the USSR didn’t occupy, did it? in 1939 at the end of the Finnish voyny.SSSR merely pushed the border to a safe distance to Leningrad, then all delov.Tak received all over the world major powers to fine and then, and that all the same seychas.Tak little they were given.
  • Samuray
    Samuray 4 June 2013 12: 07 New
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    And we also helped them restore the economy after the war by purchasing the lion's share of Finnish products. But after NTV showed a report about their sadistic attitude towards children, especially towards Russians, I lost all respect for them.

    Here is a quote from a former KGB officer who visited Finland:
    Everything, or almost everything that is produced in the country, is of the highest or best quality. Most imported consumer goods are lower in price than those produced in Finland. Preferences - to their manufacturers. Finnish businessmen have experienced a number of negative effects over the years.
    impacts from all sides. “Big Brother” - Russia (“Venya” in Finnish) - crushed through the most necessary - oil, gasoline, fuel. He also crushed through governments that succeeded each other, but gradually developed a calm, dignified relationship with Venya.
    The West did not like Soviet-Finnish relations, and therefore it, the West (and especially the Americans), carefully monitored not to let the Finns with their goods into their markets.
    In Europe, the Finns were not favored for friendship with us either, and in the Nurd Kaloten, the Northern Union, relations between the five northern European countries are a delicate and incomprehensible matter. Apparently, the Finnish type of businessman developed precisely in these difficult conditions.
    So they cooked in their own juice, debugged the economy, came up with new products, new technologies, landscaped the country.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 5 June 2013 20: 41 New
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      I personally have no hostility to the finals. But the Finnish domestic production, I will never exchange for Finn according to the plan of distant directors and producers, so people in uniform who came to my country to rob, rape and kill will never become heroes or teachers for me. (that war was staged by the Finns at the suggestion of Nazi Germany, and given the failure of the ZOV at 41, and misses in the reaction to intelligence, I had the confidence that there was a betrayal at the highest level, so the winter war was not aggressive, but was provoked the desire to humiliate the military spirit of the USSR before the main crusade against the USSR)

      As for the rest, I am a fan of the US auto industry, I prefer Casio's Japanese electronic watch, Nike sneakers and I like to treat myself to French vodka. By the way, the finnish liquor and foam for washing were excellent.
  • igordok
    igordok 4 June 2013 12: 23 New
    +2
    Snowmobile with propeller and swastika

    The name of the photo is some kind of funny.

    In the first photo, NKL-16 / 42 trophy combat snowmobiles with Finnish identification marks. The Finns and Germans did not have their own, so they enjoyed the trophy with pleasure.
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 4 June 2013 12: 34 New
      +1
      They used trophies with pleasure. The 6-th photo above is our T-28,3-I below (with a motorcycle) it looks like our T-26.
  • Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 4 June 2013 12: 32 New
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    Good afternoon! Some photos cause at least questions .. For example, a photo of a downed Russian plane. For a soldier dressed in a light jacket, the Germans wore such after 1943, a fascist cross is visible i.e. the plane is either German or Finnish. Further .. photo of three wounded prisoners. The headgear on the average soldier is Finnish or German, and the uniform of the shoulder straps is also not Soviet ... The photograph with two Soviet helmets is clearly staged. What brought them by the wave? Alexander 1958
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 4 June 2013 13: 36 New
      +2
      Yes, it's just that everything is mixed up - the Winter War, the Continuation War and the Lapland War. If it were sorted, questions would not arise. hi
  • sudnew.art
    sudnew.art 4 June 2013 15: 00 New
    +1
    And why are there no photos of the killed Finns? Only Soviet and one German
  • Begemot
    Begemot 4 June 2013 15: 46 New
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    I had a mechanic - grandfather - a participant in the war, was captured in Karelia and sat with the Finns in the 1,5 camp of the year. He told me that they did not feed them at all, people died like flies. The lucky chance was to catch lemmings. Only it was necessary to swallow it alive and as quickly as possible, otherwise there were cases when the prisoners pulled the tail almost from the stomach. As for the ability to fight, then in a mountainous-wooded area, attacking with superiority less than 10: 1 is almost a guarantee of defeat.
  • Evrepid
    Evrepid 4 June 2013 15: 48 New
    +1
    The photos are superb.
    It would be necessary to organize an exhibition with photographs on either side and show it to the peoples on both sides of the border.
    What would be clear what will happen during the war.

    Let the confrontation on the sports field be better.
  • Minuteman
    Minuteman 4 June 2013 18: 00 New
    +1
    The Mannerheim Line protected only the western and central parts of the Karelian Isthmus to the lakes of Vuoksa, Sukhodolskoye, Otradnoe. But there were still hundreds of kilometers of the Soviet-Finnish border from Lake Ladoga to the Arctic Ocean. Soviet troops could easily get around the Mannerheim line, but instead began to storm it.
    It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines! It's all simple on the map - I drew an arrow and bypassed a mustache ... But in reality, there is a complete absence of roads, forests, and swamps. By the way, it was north of the Mannegraim line that several of our divisions were encircled and destroyed. The reason is the lack of roads for maneuvering and supplying units.
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 4 June 2013 18: 40 New
      +1
      Minuteman, well, you got excited with the swamps - winter is still wink
      and about the fact that "instead they began to storm" - here the situation is a little more complicated.
      In the late 20s and early 30s, a Soviet agent in Finland handed over to the GRU RKKA copies of albums from the pillboxes of the then Finnish defense line, the so-called Enkel Lines, and no questions arose here. There was little information about the so-called “Manerheim Line” and it was contradictory, therefore they did not know the exact location of the bunkers, they knew only the approximate area. hi
  • pinecone
    pinecone 4 June 2013 20: 14 New
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    Quote: Kovrovsky
    Hitler arrived in Finland and was met by President Ryti. Mannerheim did not come to meet, allegedly saying that the marshal could not meet the corporal. The photographs are of high quality.



    There is the concept of a diplomatic protocol. The president met the chancellor, who then met with the commander in chief of the country's armed forces.
  • Kazanok
    Kazanok 4 June 2013 23: 20 New
    -8
    it’s okay so the Finns of the popular red-bellied red-haired Red-bellied piled up ... the scoop waged a purely predatory war and a war of extermination .. I wanted to drive everyone there too to the collective farms ... and here the 3-millionth country hit 180 millionth colossus on the nose ... terrible shame .. so only the red ones could do it ...
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 4 June 2013 23: 40 New
      +1
      They give two unbeaten for one beat .. and after five and a few years they piled on the “Reds” by the first day, and this and that and a dozen of those who fell under the hot hand, so only the “Reds” can and enough Kazanks were naryry enough .. smile Alexander 1958
      1. Kazanok
        Kazanok 4 June 2013 23: 51 New
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        Quote: Alexander 1958
        and one beaten two unbeaten give

        in .. purely the principle of the red-bellied .... first they will let the yushka to them .. and then they start to think something there ... and the corpses are already under 100 thousand .... however, as always, it was ...
        Quote: Alexander 1958
        and after more than five years heaped up the "red" on the first number and this and that

        the Finns never failed .. washed again .. read the story wise guy ...
        and you’ll answer for the cauldron ...
        1. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 5 June 2013 19: 38 New
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          No, well, not pr ... are you? He called himself a cauldron, and now he is offended .. And as for the answer, come ..
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 4 June 2013 23: 43 New
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      Does the flag oblige? Do you have an alternative story there?
      1. Kazanok
        Kazanok 4 June 2013 23: 52 New
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        I don’t know why the flag is being killed .... I live in Belarus ...
        1. Kostya pedestrian
          Kostya pedestrian 5 June 2013 20: 31 New
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          From Zaporizhzhya?
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    4. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 5 June 2013 20: 26 New
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      here you are right, they always said to the Reds that on the earth they deceive the trustees and the gods who are not without sex and good and gold - probably from envy and anger.

      Here they are the Bolsheviks and paid for the desire to teach the illiterate, to give freedom to farm laborers, to put peasants on their feet, to introduce conveyor technologies and electricity to improve the life of the proletariat.

      Not to mention the help in the restoration of identity and culture to the hundreds of peoples inhabiting Russia and neighboring countries.

      The silver ones survive here. Otherwise, people like you with chronic diarrhea from the entire park of culture and rest will arrange a toilet.
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  • albanech
    albanech 6 June 2013 09: 40 New
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    Nice photos! Thanks to the author!
  • shura.mekishin
    shura.mekishin 12 June 2013 17: 07 New
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    Thanks for the nice photos! Author +++
  • zmeykiev
    zmeykiev 26 June 2014 12: 43 New
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    Quote: smile
    Bongo
    The Finns also had a motivation to seize our territories (right from the moment of rejecting part of our territory with the help of the German corps), which exceeded the territory of Finland by 2 times. I hope you didn’t forget about the dreams of Great Suomi?
    The political wisdom of this consistent hostility woke up after we hacked their defensive system to the full depth within a week, losing much less than the Finns and the country led by this fascist henchman was doomed .. tada yeah ... wise Karl fussed and stopped make friends with bad Hitler ....
    I hope you also remember that only in the newly created Suomi after the defeat of the Red Finns inflicted by German troops more people were killed than died on both sides during the fighting ... concentration camps were created ... Nazism was unusually popular, it was created shyutskor - translation-security units ... does not resemble anything?
    So, praise the good Stalin, who destroyed the Finnish army a second time, this time with little blood, but did not occupy Finland by forgiving its aggressive plans - the main thing for us was to ensure our security, as in the year 39.
    And they were good soldiers, for twenty years they, with the help of the leading countries of Europe, have been actively preparing for an aggressive coalition war against us ... have prepared.

    Stalin was the number one enemy for all countries that did not accept communism. Ina these were the reasons. Accusing the Finns of cruelty while stripping from the reds is a little ridiculous, at least for us who have left the USSR. After all, what the Reds did - in general, has few analogues, and today this behavior is considered savagery, everyone praises the achievement of the Reds and they also condemn them for gullags, collective farms, executions, persecution of churches, etc. Plus, the USSR attacked Finland itself, it provoked a conflict and as for me, the Finns responded with dignity, patting up a powerful army so that newspaper advice and losses were not taken to describe.
  • Alexander Raevsky
    Alexander Raevsky 11 December 2017 20: 02 New
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    P .... lei got it right, so don’t blather! Vata smelly!