Ukraine will supply 5,7 billion-dollar aircraft engines to China

Chairman of the State Agency for Science, Innovation and Informatization, Vladimir Seminozhenko, at a briefing in the Cabinet of Ministers, said that before 2041, Ukraine exports engines for L-15 training aircraft to 5,7 billion dollars to China.

According to Seminozhenko, the turbojet double-circuit engine was created by the state enterprise Zaporozhye Machine-Building Constructive Bureau Progress. Academician A. Ilchenko ”commissioned by HONGDU (China) for the L-15 training aircraft.

Engine deliveries commenced under contract in the 2001 year and should be completed in 2041. Total production is 5,7 billion US dollars. During the mentioned period, Ukraine plans to deliver 1 thousand 920 engines to China and carry out 3 thousand 840 repairs.

At the same time, according to the head of the State Agency, the number of jobs involved in the implementation of this contract is more than 4 thousand annually for 40 years.

Reference: “Hongdu L-15” is a Chinese combat training aircraft developed by HONGDU with the assistance of the Yakovlev Design Bureau.

Comments

[valokordin]

May God grant good luck and profit to our Ukrainian brothers.

[afire]

how painfully the yak-130 resembles an airplane, stupidly changed the construct a little and earned extra by selling china? Well done, of course, don’t sell the main conscience ...

[afire]

why cons? do you disagree with me? In my opinion, there are obvious similarities between the Chinese designs and the Yak-130, I'm not talking about the Ukrainian side’s profits with engines - this is even good, but that's what these engines are for ....
Money - money - money - money. Does anyone think about the homeland?

[Kars]

Can I ask a question?
What side is Ukraine to the Yak-130? She sold to China its sample? Documentation?

[afire]

the fact of the matter is that by no means, but the engines on a glider are essentially selling a yak ... sooooo interesting
China has a construct of an airplane similar to a yak (probably a slightly modified copy), but Ukraine has engines for this particular airplane ... are there any coincidences again? someone from the yak is apparently trading with China and Ukraine and Russia, tearing up the yak project and welded up from 3 sides - from the Russian Ministry of Defense, from China for the glider, from Ukraine (probably China with money is hiding behind Ukraine) engines, otherwise where Ukraine took the engine developed + money for its development? - China is sticking out or the ready-made solutions have been leaked from the yak.
That's actually what my suspicions are.

[Akim]

Quote: afire

but the engines on the airframe essentially sell yak ... sooooo interesting

And AI-222-25 can be installed on the L-159. On the Motor Sich website there are AI-222-28 engines that are designed for installation on the M-346. It turns out that they can’t be sold? China and Pakistan are buying even simpler AI-25TLSh, which they put on the K-8. But he is also put on the L-39. To please the Czechs, we will refuse supplies! (irony)

[Kars]

You will think up something))))

Quote: afire

how painfully the yak-130 resembles an airplane, stupidly changed the construct a little and earned extra by selling china? Well done, of course, don’t sell the main conscience ...

What is the problem then?

Quote: afire

Ukraine on this particular airplane engine available ... again coincidences

Are you sure that this engine, in principle, is not intended for installation on other aircraft? And do you have any specific claim that Ukraine sells engines? M

Quote: afire

from Ukraine (probably behind the back of Ukraine, China is hiding with money)

Stupid question - why do I need HID? He - China can safely come and order any engines that we can produce, or construct - or does the Sich motor owe someone?

Quote: afire

That's actually what my suspicions are.

I would advise you to be treated, of course, do not take it as an insult.

[Pimply]

Aerodynamic schemes in the same generation aircraft and for some tasks are similar, a common thing

[mga04]

Impose the image L-15 on the image of the Yak-130 and feel the difference. Yak-130 subsonic aircraft, L-15 supersonic with afterburner engines. Yes, these planes have common roots, but they are different planes. Yakovlev Design Bureau never hid his participation in the creation of the L-15. Why do not you then be hysterical about the Aermacchi M-346 in which the Yakovlev contribution is much greater. By the way, your picture is not exactly Yak-130. This is his early version of a period of close collaboration with Italians.

[Pimply]

Are you kidding me? This is not China’s neighbor with Ukraine, they don’t care.

[Akim]

Quote: Pimply

This is not with Ukraine China neighbor

I think then it would be more logical not to supply AL series engines.

[Lord of the Sith]

By the way, Ukraine has set moved to Iran.

[Aeneas]

Seminozhenko is a windbag official, since the days of Kuchma he has been able to loudly report on successes from scratch. For the Chinese have already prepared a home-grown dvigun for the L-15, which is really worse in characteristics and is criticized by Motor Sich specialists. Motor Sich has a "firm" contract for these engines, but only for 200 units. At the same time, the Chinese link the purchase of engines with the sales of this UBS abroad. In China itself, there is competition from several UBS, and the L-15 Pokémest is not a favorite.

[Phantom Revolution]

And the truth is not like the Chinese, they mostly buy in relatively small batches, which would then be copied.

[Wlad59]

They wanted it with Zaporizhzhya engines, but ours (according to Boguslaev) rested their horn: either all or nothing. ((and to organize the production of competitive engines, we need technologies that China does not have.

[Aeneas]

200 pieces is quite a lot and success for Motor Sich ... But 2 thousand for 40 years is written with a pitchfork on water.

[DDW]

Hmm ... For Ukraine, of course you can rejoice. For Russia, to be upset ... But it would not hurt to be wary of China ... Again, over time there will be a good and cheap clone ...

[TSOOBER]

one pleases the Chinese engines and unlearned to do!

[xetai9977]

And by 2041, the engines will not become obsolete?

[AK-47]

Quote: TSOOBER

... one pleases the Chinese engines did not learn how to do!

... deliver 1 engines to China and carry out 920 repairs.

Not only engines can not do, but also repair them.

[engineer74]

It seems that again the Ukrainians give out the wish for the reality - I hardly believe that the Chinese would contract ~ 2000 engines for 40 years. They supply Al-31 series engines with annual contracts, as a rule, and each time there is a squabble at prices ...

[Professor]

Chairman of the State Agency for Science, Innovation and Informatization, Vladimir Seminozhenko, at a briefing in the Cabinet of Ministers, said that before 2041, Ukraine exports engines for L-15 training aircraft to 5,7 billion dollars to China.

Well done! It is necessary to support the domestic defense industry.

[waisson]

again, once again, the Slav brothers turned out to be more agile than our Russian defenders

[Scarte]

Yes, of course, who is quicker, so the Chinese turned out to be! there, spilled Yak-130 (feed current is slightly changed), then did not bother further sales!

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Skarte

Yes, of course, who is quicker, so the Chinese turned out to be! there, spilled Yak-130 (feed current is slightly changed), then did not bother further sales!

It is one thing to pile a glider, another thing is electronics, an engine, etc.

[Wlad59]

So the Yakovlevites also developed this aircraft (in parallel with the Yak-130), and the engines on the Yak-130 and L-15 are almost the same!

[Avenger711]

For L-15, our engines weren’t supplied.

[Akim]

Quote: Avenger711

For L-15, our engines weren’t supplied.

For the Yak-130, too. They are Ukrainian.AI-222. Only for the Chinese, they come with an afterburner and bear the name AI-222-25F.

[Avenger711]

And therefore, everything must be done so that the back of the head is scratched in Russia and they begin to make their own production.

[sergey69]

On the L-15 and Yak-130 are the same engines of production and development Motor Sich Ukraine.

[mga04]

Not exactly the same, on Yak-130 afterburner AI-222-25, on L-15 afterburner AI-222-25F. Producer Motor Sich, developer Ivchenko-Progress.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: waisson

again, once again, the Slav brothers turned out to be more agile than our Russian defenders

Russian defenders, in this case, the Chinese have nothing to offer since the Yak-130 engines with Motor Sich.

[My address]

The numbers are really fantastic. Do not climb into any gate. For a thousand (!) Aircraft.

[svp67]

Quote: My address

For a thousand (!) Aircraft.

Or maybe on 500 and 500 engines in reserve, since the training aircraft will be operated very intensively ...

[pensioner]

And will planes accidentally not do on a 3D printer? If yes, then it’s clear ... But seriously - the news of those that become true after a decent time. Too volumes and delivery times are fantastic. Let's wait ...

[Avenger711]

Well, let them still earn money, since the Soviet factory turned out to be on their territory by chance. It is interesting for a long time, after all, China is pushing and puffing its motors to give birth.

[Makarov]

The AI-222K-25 hike was brought to mind ... dviglo - fire ... and the Chinese were actively working on this project back in 2005, they came to us with delegations .... so everything is natural ... here in the next topic "Ukraine trigger ", always lagging behind Russia ... well, well ....

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Makarov

The AI-222K-25 hike was brought to mind ... dviglo - fire ... and the Chinese were actively working on this project back in 2005, they came to us with delegations .... so everything is natural ... here in the next topic "Ukraine trigger ", always lagging behind Russia ... well, well ....

Do not pay attention to "Balabolov", there are craftsmen in Ukraine, they also make good equipment, and in Russia they do it just as well. You won't be a master in everything, we don't print money ........

[Avenger711]

What are you saying? Or maybe we'll see how many engines are produced in Russia? And not toys, AL-31F is a much more serious unit for which no compromises exist. Yes, and RD-33 without which the Chinese FC-1 pile of iron.

By the way, the same pedivikia says that I overestimated the dependence of the Russian Federation in terms of AI-225 and this motor is already being produced at Salyut. And there is infa for the 2010th year. But it turns out that in the Yak-130 project, Russia can do fine without Ukraine, and Ukrainian developers have nowhere to go, since there is little choice, or to sell everything with giblets to China, which uses a lot of Soviet technology, or in the same way to Russia, which legally requires domestic components to be installed on weapons systems, and takes nothing without technology. Or sit without money at all, because in Europe, even Russian technology, whether it is at least three times the best, is not needed by anyone.

In general, it is less necessary to pout lips from small successes that 30 armored personnel carriers shoved someone, or China bought something there. Although I can believe that China can take these engines for another 30 years, it’s not the AL-31 on the fighter, it’s uncritical, it’s easy to find a replacement and you can not spend money on development, focusing on serious things.

[Akim]

Quote: Avenger711

In general, less need to pout lips from small successes

There, on a neighboring political branch of a talk show: "Why Ukrainians Don't Like Russians" Yes, you yourself have a stigma in the cannon. Here they just provided information, and you are like in kindergarten: "But I still write on" Do not turn it into a booth. Indeed, Salyut produces AI-222-25, but as in normal partnership relations Ivchenko-Progress pays for the license.

[Wlad59]

Semynozhenko (I think) presents the desired as real. What exactly was signed: In 2011, Hongdu ordered 250 Ukrainian AI-222-25F engines for L-15 combat training aircraft with delivery by 2015 ... - and then this is most likely an agreement of intent. In any case, this fact indicates that the Chinese have abandoned their intention to organize the AI-222-25F production at their place. (and so they wanted) The main thing is that KB "Ivchenko-Progress" will competently manage the money and create something new ... they have all the prerequisites for this.

[pensioner]

Quote: Makarov

"Ukraine trigger", always lagging behind Russia ... well, well ....

Sometimes, SO can be left behind (for example, in a circle) that you unwittingly find yourself ahead ...

[Akim]

L-15 worse than the Yak-130 or M-346, like a training aircraft. It has less wing area, a longer fuselage, more landing speed, a larger turning radius. So this is not a pure copy of the Yakovlevsky plane (from which, moreover, China received drawings from Russia).

[Wlad59]

How training, maybe. But as a combat training ... the presence of an afterburner is a clear plus.

[Akim]

Quote: wlad59

But as a combat training ... the presence of an afterburner is a clear plus.

I agree. But above all, it must be educational. They planned to replace all L-39s in our Air Force. If in squadrons it is not yet scary, then to the cadets it will seem more demanding than the Albatross. Although there is still no money for a replacement. They fly on what is.

[Wlad59]

So here in Odessa all L-39s were upgraded (to L-39M1) ... moreover, yesterday I came across an article that the Russians also want to modernize their L-39s. (Yak-130 is too complicated for cadets)

[Akim]

Quote: wlad59

So we have in Odessa and modernized all the L-39 (to L-39M1) ..

Modernization is one thing. It only says that he can simulate a flight on a Su-27 and MiG-29. In fact, he is not capable of doing everything that makes 4-generation aircraft. It’s suitable for flying hours and performing some aerobatics, but there isn’t for training simulation.
It’s one thing to get a car right after a race track. another is to travel with an instructor in the city.

[Wlad59]

Most likely you are right ... but it all comes down to money!

[Akim]

Quote: wlad59

Most likely you are right ... but it all comes down to money!

I remember this when my colleagues in the OARZ spoke to me. Optics, and in Africa, optics, and after retraining, a Ravist can get from the mechanic brigade to aviation (more precisely, to the repair plant).

[Avenger711]

Full-fledged fighter planes. After all, they will only beat more frags.

[Aeneas]

L-15 develops super sound, but the Yak-130 does not. In addition, the L-15 control system, developed by order of the Chinese by some Kharkov cantor, seems to be a FED. In fact - this is a finished fighter. But from the Yak-130 they want to give birth to an attack aircraft.

[sergey158-29]

Well done Ukrainians !!! And the more the Chinese will buy ready-made engines, the longer they will lag behind in this area ... since even a very good copy is a technical lag of 10 years ...

[sashka]

Well, here you are the brothers Slavs. Throw a twinkle to the Far East.

[Yeraz]

Well done Ukraine.