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Ukraine will supply 5,7 billion-dollar aircraft engines to China

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Chairman of the State Agency for Science, Innovation and Informatization, Vladimir Seminozhenko, at a briefing in the Cabinet of Ministers, said that before 2041, Ukraine exports engines for L-15 training aircraft to 5,7 billion dollars to China.

According to Seminozhenko, the turbojet double-circuit engine was created by the state enterprise Zaporozhye Machine-Building Constructive Bureau Progress. Academician A. Ilchenko ”commissioned by HONGDU (China) for the L-15 training aircraft.

Engine deliveries commenced under contract in the 2001 year and should be completed in 2041. Total production is 5,7 billion US dollars. During the mentioned period, Ukraine plans to deliver 1 thousand 920 engines to China and carry out 3 thousand 840 repairs.

At the same time, according to the head of the State Agency, the number of jobs involved in the implementation of this contract is more than 4 thousand annually for 40 years.

Reference: “Hongdu L-15” is a Chinese combat training aircraft developed by HONGDU with the assistance of the Yakovlev Design Bureau.

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  1. valokordin
    valokordin 3 June 2013 06: 32
    11
    May God grant good luck and profit to our Ukrainian brothers.
    1. afire
      afire 3 June 2013 09: 17
      +3
      how painfully the yak-130 resembles an airplane, stupidly changed the construct a little and earned extra by selling china? Well done, of course, don’t sell the main conscience ...
      1. afire
        afire 3 June 2013 10: 35
        +1
        why cons? do you disagree with me? In my opinion, there are obvious similarities between the Chinese designs and the Yak-130, I'm not talking about the Ukrainian side’s profits with engines - this is even good, but that's what these engines are for ....
        Money - money - money - money. Does anyone think about the homeland?
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        3. Kars
          Kars 3 June 2013 10: 44
          +8
          Can I ask a question?
          What side is Ukraine to the Yak-130? She sold to China its sample? Documentation?
          1. afire
            afire 3 June 2013 11: 27
            -3
            the fact of the matter is that by no means, but the engines on a glider are essentially selling a yak ... sooooo interesting
            China has a construct of an airplane similar to a yak (probably a slightly modified copy), but Ukraine has engines for this particular airplane ... are there any coincidences again? someone from the yak is apparently trading with China and Ukraine and Russia, tearing up the yak project and welded up from 3 sides - from the Russian Ministry of Defense, from China for the glider, from Ukraine (probably China with money is hiding behind Ukraine) engines, otherwise where Ukraine took the engine developed + money for its development? - China is sticking out or the ready-made solutions have been leaked from the yak.
            That's actually what my suspicions are.
            1. Akim
              Akim 3 June 2013 11: 40
              +2
              Quote: afire
              but the engines on the airframe essentially sell yak ... sooooo interesting

              And AI-222-25 can be installed on the L-159. On the Motor Sich website there are AI-222-28 engines that are designed for installation on the M-346. It turns out that they can’t be sold? China and Pakistan are buying even simpler AI-25TLSh, which they put on the K-8. But he is also put on the L-39. To please the Czechs, we will refuse supplies! (irony)
            2. Kars
              Kars 3 June 2013 14: 27
              +4
              You will think up something))))
              Quote: afire
              how painfully the yak-130 resembles an airplane, stupidly changed the construct a little and earned extra by selling china? Well done, of course, don’t sell the main conscience ...

              What is the problem then?
              Quote: afire
              Ukraine on this particular airplane engine available ... again coincidences

              Are you sure that this engine, in principle, is not intended for installation on other aircraft? And do you have any specific claim that Ukraine sells engines? M
              Quote: afire
              from Ukraine (probably behind the back of Ukraine, China is hiding with money)

              Stupid question - why do I need HID? He - China can safely come and order any engines that we can produce, or construct - or does the Sich motor owe someone?
              Quote: afire
              That's actually what my suspicions are.

              I would advise you to be treated, of course, do not take it as an insult.
        4. Pimply
          Pimply 3 June 2013 11: 54
          +3
          Aerodynamic schemes in the same generation aircraft and for some tasks are similar, a common thing
        5. mga04
          mga04 3 June 2013 12: 14
          +4
          Impose the image L-15 on the image of the Yak-130 and feel the difference. Yak-130 subsonic aircraft, L-15 supersonic with afterburner engines. Yes, these planes have common roots, but they are different planes. Yakovlev Design Bureau never hid his participation in the creation of the L-15. Why do not you then be hysterical about the Aermacchi M-346 in which the Yakovlev contribution is much greater. By the way, your picture is not exactly Yak-130. This is his early version of a period of close collaboration with Italians.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 3 June 2013 11: 55
      +3
      Are you kidding me? This is not China’s neighbor with Ukraine, they don’t care.
      1. Akim
        Akim 3 June 2013 12: 05
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        This is not with Ukraine China neighbor

        I think then it would be more logical not to supply AL series engines.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 3 June 2013 17: 52
      0
      By the way, Ukraine has set moved to Iran.
  2. Aeneas
    Aeneas 3 June 2013 07: 03
    +7
    Seminozhenko is a windbag official, since the days of Kuchma he has been able to loudly report on successes from scratch. For the Chinese have already prepared a home-grown dvigun for the L-15, which is really worse in characteristics and is criticized by Motor Sich specialists. Motor Sich has a "firm" contract for these engines, but only for 200 units. At the same time, the Chinese link the purchase of engines with the sales of this UBS abroad. In China itself, there is competition from several UBS, and the L-15 Pokémest is not a favorite.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 3 June 2013 08: 57
      +3
      And the truth is not like the Chinese, they mostly buy in relatively small batches, which would then be copied.
      1. wlad59
        wlad59 3 June 2013 09: 18
        +3
        They wanted it with Zaporizhzhya engines, but ours (according to Boguslaev) rested their horn: either all or nothing. ((and to organize the production of competitive engines, we need technologies that China does not have.
        1. Aeneas
          Aeneas 3 June 2013 09: 32
          +5
          200 pieces is quite a lot and success for Motor Sich ... But 2 thousand for 40 years is written with a pitchfork on water.
  3. DDW
    DDW 3 June 2013 07: 03
    +1
    Hmm ... For Ukraine, of course you can rejoice. For Russia, to be upset ... But it would not hurt to be wary of China ... Again, over time there will be a good and cheap clone ...
  4. TSOOBER
    TSOOBER 3 June 2013 07: 25
    +4
    one pleases the Chinese engines and unlearned to do!
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 3 June 2013 07: 40
      +5
      And by 2041, the engines will not become obsolete?
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 3 June 2013 08: 12
      +1
      Quote: TSOOBER
      ... one pleases the Chinese engines did not learn how to do!

      ... deliver 1 engines to China and carry out 920 repairs.

      Not only engines can not do, but also repair them. negative
  5. engineer74
    engineer74 3 June 2013 07: 36
    +3
    It seems that again the Ukrainians give out the wish for the reality - I hardly believe that the Chinese would contract ~ 2000 engines for 40 years. They supply Al-31 series engines with annual contracts, as a rule, and each time there is a squabble at prices ...
  6. Professor
    Professor 3 June 2013 07: 40
    +5
    Chairman of the State Agency for Science, Innovation and Informatization, Vladimir Seminozhenko, at a briefing in the Cabinet of Ministers, said that before 2041, Ukraine exports engines for L-15 training aircraft to 5,7 billion dollars to China.

    Well done! good It is necessary to support the domestic defense industry.
  7. waisson
    waisson 3 June 2013 07: 47
    +1
    again, once again, the Slav brothers turned out to be more agile than our Russian defenders
    1. Skarte
      Skarte 3 June 2013 07: 56
      +3
      Yes, of course, who is quicker, so the Chinese turned out to be! there, spilled Yak-130 (feed current is slightly changed), then did not bother further sales!
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 3 June 2013 09: 00
        0
        Quote: Skarte
        Yes, of course, who is quicker, so the Chinese turned out to be! there, spilled Yak-130 (feed current is slightly changed), then did not bother further sales!

        It is one thing to pile a glider, another thing is electronics, an engine, etc.
      2. wlad59
        wlad59 3 June 2013 09: 24
        +2
        So the Yakovlevites also developed this aircraft (in parallel with the Yak-130), and the engines on the Yak-130 and L-15 are almost the same!
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 3 June 2013 08: 27
      0
      For L-15, our engines weren’t supplied.
      1. Akim
        Akim 3 June 2013 09: 52
        +4
        Quote: Avenger711
        For L-15, our engines weren’t supplied.

        For the Yak-130, too. They are Ukrainian.AI-222. Only for the Chinese, they come with an afterburner and bear the name AI-222-25F.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 3 June 2013 13: 46
          0
          And therefore, everything must be done so that the back of the head is scratched in Russia and they begin to make their own production.
      2. sergey69
        sergey69 3 June 2013 10: 03
        +4
        On the L-15 and Yak-130 are the same engines of production and development Motor Sich Ukraine.
        1. mga04
          mga04 3 June 2013 12: 20
          +2
          Not exactly the same, on Yak-130 afterburner AI-222-25, on L-15 afterburner AI-222-25F. Producer Motor Sich, developer Ivchenko-Progress.
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 3 June 2013 14: 52
      +1
      Quote: waisson
      again, once again, the Slav brothers turned out to be more agile than our Russian defenders

      Russian defenders, in this case, the Chinese have nothing to offer since the Yak-130 engines with Motor Sich.
  8. My address
    My address 3 June 2013 08: 01
    0
    The numbers are really fantastic. Do not climb into any gate. For a thousand (!) Aircraft.
    1. svp67
      svp67 3 June 2013 09: 34
      0
      Quote: My address
      For a thousand (!) Aircraft.

      Or maybe on 500 and 500 engines in reserve, since the training aircraft will be operated very intensively ...
  9. pensioner
    pensioner 3 June 2013 08: 14
    +2
    And will planes accidentally not do on a 3D printer? If yes, then it’s clear ... But seriously - the news of those that become true after a decent time. Too volumes and delivery times are fantastic. Let's wait ...
  10. Avenger711
    Avenger711 3 June 2013 08: 28
    0
    Well, let them still earn money, since the Soviet factory turned out to be on their territory by chance. It is interesting for a long time, after all, China is pushing and puffing its motors to give birth.
  11. Makarov
    Makarov 3 June 2013 08: 53
    +4
    The AI-222K-25 hike was brought to mind ... dviglo - fire ... and the Chinese were actively working on this project back in 2005, they came to us with delegations .... so everything is natural ... here in the next topic "Ukraine trigger ", always lagging behind Russia ... well, well ....
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 3 June 2013 09: 04
      +4
      Quote: Makarov
      The AI-222K-25 hike was brought to mind ... dviglo - fire ... and the Chinese were actively working on this project back in 2005, they came to us with delegations .... so everything is natural ... here in the next topic "Ukraine trigger ", always lagging behind Russia ... well, well ....

      Do not pay attention to "Balabolov", there are craftsmen in Ukraine, they also make good equipment, and in Russia they do it just as well. You won't be a master in everything, we don't print money ........
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 3 June 2013 16: 48
      0
      What are you saying? Or maybe we'll see how many engines are produced in Russia? And not toys, AL-31F is a much more serious unit for which no compromises exist. Yes, and RD-33 without which the Chinese FC-1 pile of iron.

      By the way, the same pedivikia says that I overestimated the dependence of the Russian Federation in terms of AI-225 and this motor is already being produced at Salyut. And there is infa for the 2010th year. But it turns out that in the Yak-130 project, Russia can do fine without Ukraine, and Ukrainian developers have nowhere to go, since there is little choice, or to sell everything with giblets to China, which uses a lot of Soviet technology, or in the same way to Russia, which legally requires domestic components to be installed on weapons systems, and takes nothing without technology. Or sit without money at all, because in Europe, even Russian technology, whether it is at least three times the best, is not needed by anyone.

      In general, it is less necessary to pout lips from small successes that 30 armored personnel carriers shoved someone, or China bought something there. Although I can believe that China can take these engines for another 30 years, it’s not the AL-31 on the fighter, it’s uncritical, it’s easy to find a replacement and you can not spend money on development, focusing on serious things.
      1. Akim
        Akim 3 June 2013 17: 44
        +1
        Quote: Avenger711
        In general, less need to pout lips from small successes

        There, on a neighboring political branch of a talk show: "Why Ukrainians Don't Like Russians" Yes, you yourself have a stigma in the cannon. Here they just provided information, and you are like in kindergarten: "But I still write on" Do not turn it into a booth. Indeed, Salyut produces AI-222-25, but as in normal partnership relations Ivchenko-Progress pays for the license.
  12. wlad59
    wlad59 3 June 2013 09: 09
    +2
    Semynozhenko (I think) presents the desired as real. What exactly was signed: In 2011, Hongdu ordered 250 Ukrainian AI-222-25F engines for L-15 combat training aircraft with delivery by 2015 ... - and then this is most likely an agreement of intent. In any case, this fact indicates that the Chinese have abandoned their intention to organize the AI-222-25F production at their place. (and so they wanted) The main thing is that KB "Ivchenko-Progress" will competently manage the money and create something new ... they have all the prerequisites for this.
  13. pensioner
    pensioner 3 June 2013 09: 53
    +1
    Quote: Makarov
    "Ukraine trigger", always lagging behind Russia ... well, well ....

    Sometimes, SO can be left behind (for example, in a circle) that you unwittingly find yourself ahead ...
  14. Akim
    Akim 3 June 2013 10: 00
    +3
    L-15 worse than the Yak-130 or M-346, like a training aircraft. It has less wing area, a longer fuselage, more landing speed, a larger turning radius. So this is not a pure copy of the Yakovlevsky plane (from which, moreover, China received drawings from Russia).
    1. wlad59
      wlad59 3 June 2013 10: 18
      +3
      How training, maybe. But as a combat training ... the presence of an afterburner is a clear plus.
      1. Akim
        Akim 3 June 2013 10: 24
        +3
        Quote: wlad59
        But as a combat training ... the presence of an afterburner is a clear plus.

        I agree. But above all, it must be educational. They planned to replace all L-39s in our Air Force. If in squadrons it is not yet scary, then to the cadets it will seem more demanding than the Albatross. Although there is still no money for a replacement. They fly on what is.
        1. wlad59
          wlad59 3 June 2013 10: 52
          +1
          So here in Odessa all L-39s were upgraded (to L-39M1) ... moreover, yesterday I came across an article that the Russians also want to modernize their L-39s. (Yak-130 is too complicated for cadets)
          1. Akim
            Akim 3 June 2013 11: 01
            +2
            Quote: wlad59
            So we have in Odessa and modernized all the L-39 (to L-39M1) ..

            Modernization is one thing. It only says that he can simulate a flight on a Su-27 and MiG-29. In fact, he is not capable of doing everything that makes 4-generation aircraft. It’s suitable for flying hours and performing some aerobatics, but there isn’t for training simulation.
            It’s one thing to get a car right after a race track. another is to travel with an instructor in the city.
            1. wlad59
              wlad59 3 June 2013 11: 03
              +1
              Most likely you are right ... but it all comes down to money!
              1. Akim
                Akim 3 June 2013 11: 08
                0
                Quote: wlad59
                Most likely you are right ... but it all comes down to money!

                I remember this when my colleagues in the OARZ spoke to me. Optics, and in Africa, optics, and after retraining, a Ravist can get from the mechanic brigade to aviation (more precisely, to the repair plant).
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 3 June 2013 16: 29
        0
        Full-fledged fighter planes. After all, they will only beat more frags.
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas 3 June 2013 19: 34
      +1
      L-15 develops super sound, but the Yak-130 does not. In addition, the L-15 control system, developed by order of the Chinese by some Kharkov cantor, seems to be a FED. In fact - this is a finished fighter. But from the Yak-130 they want to give birth to an attack aircraft.
  15. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 3 June 2013 22: 01
    +1
    Well done Ukrainians !!! And the more the Chinese will buy ready-made engines, the longer they will lag behind in this area ... since even a very good copy is a technical lag of 10 years ...
  16. sashka
    sashka 4 June 2013 03: 43
    +1
    Well, here you are the brothers Slavs. Throw a twinkle to the Far East.
  17. Yeraz
    Yeraz 9 June 2013 21: 54
    +2
    Well done Ukraine.