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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine adopted the new radar "Malachite"

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Mobile radars "Malachite" are a modernized Ukrainian version of the P-18MU "Terek" radar, developed in the USSR in the 1971 year. In the upgraded version of the radar, active noise compensation, digital signal processing, measurement of the speed of airborne targets, as well as their automatic search and tracking were applied.


The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine adopted the new radar "Malachite"


"Malachite" is also capable of automatically transmitting data on detected air targets. The radar is located on the KRAZ chassis and one cargo trailer (for comparison, the P-18M is based on two Ural-375 or Ural-4320 cars and two trailers). The radar can detect targets moving at speeds of up to a thousand meters per second and escort to 256 of them. The manufacturer of the new radar is a Ukrainian company "Ukrspetstekhnika".
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http://izvestia.kiev.ua/ru/news/21876
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  1. kosmos44
    kosmos44 1 June 2013 08: 45 New
    +8
    How many houses could be provided with television antennas.
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    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 1 June 2013 13: 04 New
      0
      Of course, it is better to exploit Soviet equipment to the limit than to cooperate with Russia and buy modern equipment ... but in general it’s sad to watch all this, is it really that Russia has done so much evil to Ukraine?
      1. Rider
        Rider 1 June 2013 16: 04 New
        +2
        ShturmKGB
        has Russia really done so much evil to Ukraine?


        You don’t understand anything!
        sworn Muscovites did not allow the wilful Ukraine to make their free choice.

        between Poland and Turkey.

        laughing
      2. Ivan Kalinovich
        Ivan Kalinovich 2 June 2013 02: 41 New
        -2
        Quote from ShturmKGB: Of course, it is better to exploit Soviet equipment to the limit than to cooperate with Russia and buy modern equipment ... but in general it’s sad to watch all this, is Russia really doing so much evil to Ukraine?
        Incorrect phrase-evil Russia does not Ukraine, but the Ukrainian oligarchy !!!
  2. svp67
    svp67 1 June 2013 08: 48 New
    +4
    It is interesting to compare with what we have. Explain who specials ...
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 1 June 2013 12: 00 New
      +1
      All from one country of the USSR, I served in this 94-96g.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 1 June 2013 12: 53 New
        +3
        My stepfather on the “Terek” served in the 70s, part of it was in Moldova.
    2. beard999
      beard999 1 June 2013 15: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      It is interesting to compare with what we have

      It’s worth starting with the fact that the P-18 base radar is already 42 years old (it was put into service in 1971). At the same time, P-18 was created on the basis of an even more ancient station P-12 (1956), by transferring it to a new elemental base. These radars were developed at NNIIRT and serially produced at NITEL (both enterprises are located in Russia). These enterprises made their options for the modernization of the P-18 back in the 90s. http://www.arms-expo.ru/050056053053124052049050057.html (characteristics are given by reference, you can compare with Ukrainian). But the appropriateness of procuring such modernized stations for the Russian Armed Forces is by no means obvious. We also have more modern meter radars - for example, “Sky-VCA” http://www.nniirt.ru/sites/default/files/docs/prod/nebo-svu_15-06-2012.pdf.
      And so, by the way, this is actually not the first message about the adoption of "Malachite" into service by Ukraine. This news first appeared more than a year ago, in January 2012 http://ura-inform.com/en/politics/2012/01/10/novyerlsukrainy ....
  3. Curculum
    Curculum 1 June 2013 09: 00 New
    12
    This news should be placed on the Internet resources of Ecuador, which bought all kinds of Chinese garbage ...
  4. Algor73
    Algor73 1 June 2013 09: 16 New
    10
    Firstly, I didn’t hear something radically about the newly developed radar systems in Russia, modernization, translation into "digital", etc. also continues. And secondly, why is this radar bad ?. Such radars (not modernized) throughout the former Union are in service and it remains to be seen how long they will stand. Ecuador will buy new ones ...
    1. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 1 June 2013 19: 28 New
      -3
      Have not heard of the radar from the PAR? Which are now installed on existing and prospective ground and air based radars. And I saw such radars at the 40 airfield years ago. But, if Ukrainians make such a technique, God help them. And there is no need to jerk here (I think so).
      1. Komsomolets
        Komsomolets 2 June 2013 03: 17 New
        +1
        ivanych47 you don’t know this topic and therefore put the FAR here. Meter stations, although they look archaic, will serve for a long time and reliably.
        And if they had taken an interest, they would have known that both Russia and Belarus are engaged in the modernization of these stations.
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 June 2013 09: 16 New
    -5
    And whom the Ukrainians gathered to follow whom .. ???
    1. Polytechnic
      Polytechnic 1 June 2013 11: 51 New
      11
      Is Ukraine only bordering Russia and Belarus? pfff
  6. Alikovo
    Alikovo 1 June 2013 09: 55 New
    0
    they have already sold radar stations to Georgia, now they will sell it to whom.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 1 June 2013 13: 00 New
      +8
      Do not be stupid, it was under Yushchenko. Under Yushchenko, the SBU was forbidden to spy on US ambassadors and businessmen, and there was an order to spy on Russian citizens. In the board of Yanukovych, on the contrary, it is forbidden to follow the Russians and in an orderly way they monitor citizens of the USA and Europe.
      Moreover, by presidential decree, 19 FSB officers who were expelled under Yushchenko were allowed to return to Crimea. Officially, the FSB said in Sevastopol their representation, a counter-terrorist branch.
  7. sergo1979
    sergo1979 1 June 2013 09: 56 New
    +4
    And whom the Ukrainians gathered to follow whom .. ???
    For you, so as not to shit where in a row
    1. trenitron
      trenitron 1 June 2013 12: 23 New
      +2
      So far, only you are crap
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 June 2013 10: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: sergo1979
    And whom the Ukrainians gathered to follow whom .. ???
    For you, so as not to shit where in a row

    No need to be so angry .. I just don’t understand what it is for you .. from whom are you defending .. ?? It’s clear that we deploy radars in Russia and we’ll also capture you .. so that in case of something .. and repel you from missiles .. and attack aircraft ... isn’t it easier to unite .. ???
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 1 June 2013 10: 43 New
      -15
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Quote: sergo1979
      And whom the Ukrainians gathered to follow whom .. ???
      For you, so as not to shit where in a row

      No need to be so angry .. I just don’t understand what it is for you .. from whom are you defending .. ?? It’s clear that we deploy radars in Russia and we’ll also capture you .. so that in case of something .. and repel you from missiles .. and attack aircraft ... isn’t it easier to unite .. ???

      who will beat Ukraine do not explain? And then you jump out of your pants, just to protect the brothers Slavs)
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 1 June 2013 11: 07 New
        0
        Quote: OTAKE
        And then you jump out of your pants, just to protect the brothers Slavs)

        It’s good when there is something to "jump out" of, some are naked rushing back and forth ... laughing
        1. OTAKE
          OTAKE 1 June 2013 11: 09 New
          -2
          Quote: Kurkul
          It’s good when there is something to "jump out" of, some are naked rushing back and forth ...

          Are you in any such places? do not tell belay
          1. Curculum
            Curculum 1 June 2013 16: 08 New
            -1
            Quote: OTAKE
            Are you in any such places? do not tell

            Do you know "places" only by your presence? Oh well... laughing
            1. OTAKE
              OTAKE 1 June 2013 17: 33 New
              -3
              Quote: Kurkul
              Quote: OTAKE
              Are you in any such places? do not tell

              Do you know "places" only by your presence? Oh well... laughing

              however fat vyser, they asked you a question, but you hand over the back one, lol.
              1. Curculum
                Curculum 1 June 2013 17: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: OTAKE
                however fat vyser

                Did they detect by smell or put pressure on their ears?
                Quote: OTAKE
                they asked you a question

                As they ask - so I answer, "in unison."
                Quote: OTAKE
                and you hand over the back

                Shaw "surrender", "back" of what?
    2. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 1 June 2013 19: 36 New
      -4
      Each sovereign state is obliged to protect its borders, including the air ones. And to protect the common airspace there is a joint CIS air defense.
  9. Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 1 June 2013 10: 18 New
    -1
    Of course, I’m not a great specialist, but still I served on the P-14 and P-12 radars. So this radar is very similar externally to the P-12 called chicken coop in the jargon (guess what :)) the development of the 50s. So RT-R station p-12 calculations didn’t cause anything except mats :) For I didn’t see anything :)
  10. aviamed90
    aviamed90 1 June 2013 10: 26 New
    +7
    And what is the modernization?

    Translated everything into a digit, replaced the chassis and all?

    All major performance characteristics remained the same.
    Here is what I found on the net:

    "The main areas of development of the Malachite radar provided for the introduction of: digital signal processing, primary and secondary processing of radar information, equipment for compensating active noise interference, a digital tracking system for moving targets, automatic transmission of data to distant consumers of information, determining the radial speed of air targets, as well as using transistor transmitter.
    The digital processing and display system is implemented on the basis of industrial computers and video monitors of workstations (AWS) and provides:
    - detection and encoding of received echo signals with the formation of target marks and displaying them on the color monitor screen;
    - selection of moving targets against the background of natural and organized passive interference;
    - management of radar operating modes;
    - automatic monitoring of radar performance and display of monitoring results;
    - simulation mode for training personnel;
    - the creation of target forms with the definition of azimuth, range, speed, altitude (when paired with the PRV) and nationality (when paired with the NRZ);
    - the formation and display of trajectories with the determination of the parameters of the movement of targets based on the marks obtained;
    - automatic transfer to the automated command post of data on the trajectories of the targets in each review using the ADF channel;
    - pairing with a radio altimeter type PRV-16A;
    - pairing with a requestor of the type "Password" or "Silicon."


    Ukrainians just took the old P-18, podshamanil and began to produce on their own.
    Well, God help them!
  11. shark
    shark 1 June 2013 10: 39 New
    +2
    “Terek”, “MI-2” - continuous alterations))))) And they also said that the USSR was 50 years behind ...
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 1 June 2013 12: 13 New
      +2
      Purpose and features

      Destination Mobile radar meter wavelength P-18 1RL131 ("Terek") is designed for timely detection and tracking of airborne objects, including made using the "stelt" technology, within the range of visibility, determining state affiliation and issuing their coordinates (range, azimuth) to consumers of information about the air situation.
      Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051050056124052049050057.html
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 1 June 2013 19: 20 New
        +2
        Genady1976

        Well yes! And in the mission of "Malachite" mentioned the ability to detect "stealth". As if no one had ever discovered them before!
        All meter stations have this ability.
  12. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 June 2013 10: 43 New
    -6
    They will sell again .. they still have not sold out .. ??? or there’s nothing to pay for gas. ?? (we will remember your anti-aircraft guns in 2008 ..) And also remember that a Russian civilian airliner was shot down (during exercises on the Black Sea) ...
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 June 2013 11: 14 New
    0
    Quote: OTAKE
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: sergo1979
    And whom the Ukrainians gathered to follow whom .. ???
    For you, so as not to shit where in a row

    No need to be so angry .. I just don’t understand what it is for you .. from whom are you defending .. ?? It’s clear that we deploy radars in Russia and we’ll also capture you .. so that in case of something .. and repel you from missiles .. and attack aircraft ... isn’t it easier to unite .. ???

    who will beat Ukraine do not explain? And then you jump out of your pants, just to protect the brothers Slavs)

    Well, let’s say the Turks ..or even poorer Poles with Romanians ..or the brothers of Ukrainians only have historical enemies .. ???
  14. heathen
    heathen 1 June 2013 11: 54 New
    +1
    It’s good that at least something else is being developed and modernized. And then the reports of the upcoming "reform" of the Ukrainian army somehow basically only depress ...
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 1 June 2013 12: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: heathen
      It’s good that at least something else is being developed and modernized. And then the reports of the upcoming "reform" of the Ukrainian army somehow basically only depress ...

      You are with the former prese, which the "victim of the Holodomor" looked at the "reform" of the army. There was a case in point when his right hand Yekhanurov (former prime minister), seeing how MUCH the budget was allocated for the army, resigned (a couple like 0.5%) ... At the same time, the Pomeranian leader did not interfere with holding grandiose parades, giving his amateur godmother ties, all sorts of nyashki, soar for ridiculous money USA tanks and planes (Schaub looked what is there)
      So compared to those years, right now, just what a dawn of the defense. Even Sushki and MiGs were taken from warehouses, they began to be assembled back and modernized ...
  15. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 June 2013 12: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    They will sell again .. they still have not sold out .. ??? or there’s nothing to pay for gas. ?? (we will remember your anti-aircraft guns in 2008 ..) And also remember that a Russian civilian airliner was shot down (during exercises on the Black Sea) ...

    Well, about gas, I wrote in vain a sore subject .. forgive Ukraine .. For independence, you need to pay .. alas ..
  16. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 12: 34 New
    +1
    Ahhh, made laugh laughing P-12, slightly expanded the antenna, it turned out to be P-18, and now this is a “miracle in feathers”)))) Do you have anything to do there? Have you heard about the phased array? You would have "Redoubt" modernized with the Second World War. Apparently, the spare part was not left from the “Redoubt”, and therefore did not take up it.
    And here they took spare parts, which shaft, Chinese chips and .... up! New, "modern" radar !!!
    Do not tell my slippers! With such an antenna in our time, only a raven in a collective farm garden is scary!
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 1 June 2013 13: 57 New
      +8
      GEO are complete nonsense, you apparently do not understand anything in the radar.
      Firstly, meter-long stations are reliable and simple, and they are standby mode radars so that your vaunted headlights, which are military mode stations, do not reveal their frequencies and do not develop their resources.
      Secondly, only meter stations provide guaranteed detection of any targets, even a stealth fighter, even a UAV, even a missile launcher, etc.
      Yes, and PRR do not shoot at them ...
      1. Ivanovich47
        Ivanovich47 1 June 2013 19: 42 New
        -2
        The main advantage of the phased array is that a radar with such an antenna can accompany the capture and destruction of dozens of targets with their weapons simultaneously. The shown whatnot (I respect such veterans) is not capable of this.
        1. Komsomolets
          Komsomolets 2 June 2013 03: 13 New
          +2
          ivanych47 why you enter into discussion if you do not think in this subject. Well, at least a few poyuzami in the internet before writing. P-18 radar meter of the standby mode, roughly speaking for combat duty in peacetime and wartime. They, unlike the PAR, have much more time between failures, they are simpler, they are more informative on small targets (they can easily see any stealth), they are CHEAPER. If in the country the standby radar is done with the headlamps, then there will not be enough money for any air defense systems, planes, or tanks.
          Yes, and do not go too far in the capabilities of the HEADLIGHTS, for today they can accompany dozens of targets, but at the same time destroy them, so far the bill goes to unity, both in modern air defense systems and in aviation complexes.
  17. alean245
    alean245 1 June 2013 12: 44 New
    +6
    Quote: GEO
    Ahhhh, they made P-12 laugh, slightly expanded the antenna, it turned out to be P-18, and now this is a “miracle in feathers”)))) Do you have anything to do there? Have you heard about the phased array? You would have "Redoubt" modernized with the Second World War. Apparently, the spare part was not left from the “Redoubt”, and therefore did not take up it.

    And here the headlamp is not needed. "Malachite" - is the duty radar. Its tasks are early detection of targets and an approximate assessment of their parameters. When designing such radars, the most stringent requirements are imposed on the detection range (hence the long waves) and the time between failures (since such a station should work around the clock). Accuracy is not that important, so why reinvent the wheel?
  18. Akim
    Akim 1 June 2013 13: 14 New
    +4
    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine adopted the new radar "Malachite"

    I would not like to upset the editors ВOh, but Yezhel signed a decree on adopting it 10th of January 2012
  19. heathen
    heathen 1 June 2013 13: 22 New
    +1
    Especially for those who can read and understand well written
    Quote: heathen
    And then messages about coming the "reform" of the Ukrainian army somehow basically only depresses ...

    I am infinitely far from praising what Yushchenko did. But at the same time, I see that the Ukrainian army now has an extremely low level of combat readiness. And the plans now voiced by Lebedev (http://topwar.ru/27248-ministr-oborony-ukrainy-pavel-lebedev.html) can lead to an even greater drop in this level. This is what bothers me
    1. Akim
      Akim 1 June 2013 13: 54 New
      0
      Quote: heathen
      And the plans now voiced by Lebedev

      We do this: Here firsthand, not allegory by journalists
      1. heathen
        heathen 1 June 2013 19: 53 New
        +1
        Lebedev can tell journalists and people any tales about a professional army.
        And I know the following:
        A non-aligned state cannot afford the luxury of having an exclusively contract army, unless, of course, the size of this army is comparable with the combined forces of bloc states in a proportion corresponding to at least 1: 3.
        The miserable 70 thousand of the coolest contract soldiers will not be able to stop the superior army 10 times (for example).
        Well, plus, the sale of "unnecessary" property and other nuances painfully resemble Serdyukov’s reform.
        1. Akim
          Akim 1 June 2013 20: 16 New
          0
          Quote: heathen
          A non-aligned state cannot afford the luxury of having an exclusively contract army

          I will not argue. Our people are used to perceiving everything with skepticism. Wait and see. Chi will ask us in this question?
  20. lobik
    lobik 1 June 2013 13: 24 New
    +2
    If I understood correctly, then only the antenna remained from the p-18. Judging from the article, now the automatic tracking and delivery of targets to a superior one. Super, it should be cheap and cheerful. The P-18 worked in our near 100km zone. There is nothing bad about it I heard it. It is very reliable and turned on unlike in Dubrava in any wind, and it was very rare to exit. It is interesting how it will now be with reliability, especially in hot weather.
  21. Genady1976
    Genady1976 1 June 2013 14: 27 New
    +5
    here he is malachite soldier
  22. Genady1976
    Genady1976 1 June 2013 14: 40 New
    +3
    And what is radar? what
    answer. good
    Lapping vodka to the sound of the radio. drinks
  23. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 16: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Komsomolets
    GEO are complete nonsense, you apparently do not understand anything in the radar.
    Firstly, meter-long stations are reliable and simple, and they are standby mode radars so that your vaunted headlights, which are military mode stations, do not reveal their frequencies and do not develop their resources.
    Secondly, only meter stations provide guaranteed detection of any targets, even a stealth fighter, even a UAV, even a missile launcher, etc.
    Yes, and PRR do not shoot at them ...

    Even to argue with you is ridiculous, just wallowing with laughter)))))))))))) p-12 decimeter station, and meter - P-14. Have your textbooks been smoked? Although I’m a REB, I’m not a locator, and I know
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 1 June 2013 17: 28 New
      0
      Dear, I wrote about the P-18 radar, which is discussed in the article, it has been a meter all my life. And I didn’t write anything about the P-12 and P-14, but if you are not in the know, then they are also in the meter range.
      Shame the great apartment, if only on the Internet poyuzal before writing.
  24. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 17: 06 New
    -1
    Quote: alean245
    Quote: GEO
    Ahhhh, they made P-12 laugh, slightly expanded the antenna, it turned out to be P-18, and now this is a “miracle in feathers”)))) Do you have anything to do there? Have you heard about the phased array? You would have "Redoubt" modernized with the Second World War. Apparently, the spare part was not left from the “Redoubt”, and therefore did not take up it.

    And here the headlamp is not needed. "Malachite" - is the duty radar. Its tasks are early detection of targets and an approximate assessment of their parameters. When designing such radars, the most stringent requirements are imposed on the detection range (hence the long waves) and the time between failures (since such a station should work around the clock). Accuracy is not that important, so why reinvent the wheel?

    ALWAYS need to invent, otherwise, stay in the cave. Ukraine profiled the entire legacy of the USSR under the joyful grunting of Bendera, squinting my country around Russia, and now it is puffing, trying to collect something from the spare parts. Do you recall shooting from the S-200 in the Crimea? Specialties Go to the Maidan and Orite Ukraine is not Russia. Are free. I studied at the Air Defense Center in Kiev, if anyone knows what kind of School it was, they too were delayed ... by order of NATO, but we kept in Russia. All of you are delinquent ... whether ... The drum is in your hands and on the Maidan.
    1. GEO
      GEO 1 June 2013 17: 40 New
      0
      Ha ha ha! Bendera minded tongue
      1. trenitron
        trenitron 1 June 2013 18: 50 New
        +1
        Well, we are a plus
    2. alean245
      alean245 1 June 2013 18: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: GEO
      Go to the Maidan and Orite Ukraine is not Russia. Are free. I studied at the Air Defense Center in Kiev, if anyone knows what kind of School it was, they too were delayed ... by order of NATO, but we kept in Russia. All of you are delinquent ... whether ... The drum is in your hands and on the Maidan.

      Here I have nothing more to do, how to pace and yell on the Maidan. My comment was only on radar. It is weak to object in terms of radar?
      Quote: GEO
      ALWAYS need to invent, otherwise, stay in the cave.

      Who argues. In the combat mode radar, the phased array and other advanced devices are used. But tell me, what's the point of using them in standby radars? In the station, from which it is only required to detect the fact of intrusion, violation of airspace, etc.? And which in case of conflict will be destroyed in packs?
      1. Komsomolets
        Komsomolets 1 June 2013 18: 41 New
        0
        alean245 in, from GEO just rushing hatred of Ukraine and ignorance of the topic
  25. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 1 June 2013 17: 23 New
    +4
    The main thing is that they would be distinguished from their strangers, and from lupanut inadvertently. They have the richest experience in getting anywhere, just not where they should be.
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 2 June 2013 00: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: Pilot200809
      The main thing is that they would be distinguished from their strangers, and from lupanut inadvertently. They have the richest experience in getting anywhere, just not where they should be.

      And why such a conviction that they did not want to get there?
      1. ed1968
        ed1968 3 June 2013 18: 16 New
        -1
        eat greasy x ..
  26. uzer 13
    uzer 13 1 June 2013 17: 23 New
    -1
    I used to make such antennas myself. The TV in the village didn’t show well, so I had to do technical work. The meter range is required for detecting aircraft made using STELS technology. The antenna unit of this type is narrow-band and requires pointing to the object. The directional diagram of such antennas is also narrow. This means that the design should rotate, and at a low speed, because it has a significant mass and a large moment of inertia. Such antennas were used during the Second World War. It was completely unexpectedly found out that they are still used. Such a radar can also be attributed to the fact that they are an excellent target for anti-radar missiles. Collapse the accordion and quickly move to another place is not good.
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 1 June 2013 17: 48 New
      0
      uzer 13 PRR will never shoot at meter stations, due to physics, you can’t put a meter antenna on PRR
  27. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 17: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Komsomolets
    Dear, I wrote about the P-18 radar, which is discussed in the article, it has been a meter all my life. And I didn’t write anything about the P-12 and P-14, but if you are not in the know, then they are also in the meter range.
    Shame the great apartment, if only on the Internet poyuzal before writing.

    Yes, since p-18, I made a mistake (range), since it’s not a locator. And what does that change ??? Explain. I do not disgrace APART because I wrote that EW
    P-18 is, as is now customary to say, an upgrade of the p-12. All this is the last century. I didn’t mention Redoubt for nothing
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 1 June 2013 17: 54 New
      +1
      GEO what is the difference last century or not. There are newer ones, for example, 1L13 "Sky-SV". They already wrote to you that these are stations on duty, they shine when the stations of the combat regime are silent and do not open themselves. They will perfectly detect any stealth, and they are not afraid of PRR.
  28. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 17: 38 New
    0
    Quote: uzer 13
    I used to make such antennas myself. The TV in the village didn’t show well, so I had to do technical work. The meter range is required for detecting aircraft made using STELS technology. The antenna unit of this type is narrow-band and requires pointing to the object. The directional diagram of such antennas is also narrow. This means that the design should rotate, and at a low speed, because it has a significant mass and a large moment of inertia. Such antennas were used during the Second World War. It was completely unexpectedly found out that they are still used. Such a radar can also be attributed to the fact that they are an excellent target for anti-radar missiles. Collapse the accordion and quickly move to another place.

    HERE !!! That is the salt! It's like an S-75,125,200 SAM. In modern warfare, it's nothing
  29. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 18: 05 New
    -2
    Quote: Komsomolets
    GEO what is the difference last century or not. There are newer ones, for example, 1L13 "Sky-SV". They already wrote to you that these are stations on duty, they shine when the stations of the combat regime are silent and do not open themselves. They will perfectly detect any stealth, and they are not afraid of PRR.

    So they wrote above. Explain to me, a loving TU, OUR UKRAINE, for whom this is all done in today's Ukraine ... It is difficult for me to forgive her role in 888.
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 1 June 2013 18: 15 New
      +1
      GEO is an arms market. Firstly, the modernization of their radars, and secondly, there are many of them in the CIS countries and former friendly countries of the USSR, so like all sensible people want to make money on this. I see nothing wrong with that.
      Incidentally, the modernization of the P-18 was carried out by both Russia and Belarus, but didn’t you foam from it, or just didn’t know?
      I honestly did not understand about the role in 888.
  30. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 18: 13 New
    -2
    Quote: Komsomolets
    uzer 13 PRR will never shoot at meter stations, due to physics, you can’t put a meter antenna on PRR

    This is not an EW station for you; PRR does not need to analyze the frequency or anything else. It is pointed at the SOURCE of radiation. And the fact that meter radars survive longer is simply due to re-reflection due to the wavelength. Do not think that the enemy and the idiot does not know that there are meter radars
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 1 June 2013 18: 33 New
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      GEO yes PRR is not an EW station, but just the same, it analyzes the frequency, and the computer gives the pilot recommendations on who shines on it and on whom to shoot first (if there are several emissions). So, first of all they will shoot at fire means, then at combat control stations (centimeter and decimeter range). But he will not shoot at the meter station, since he will not detect its radiation either by the aircraft’s onboard antenna or the HARM antenna. And the enemy is not either, he knows very well that meter stations detect them well, but they will never direct missiles at them.
    2. alean245
      alean245 1 June 2013 18: 41 New
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      Quote: GEO
      This is not an EW station for you; PRR does not need to analyze the frequency or anything else. She is pointing at the SOURCE of radiation

      And what does it take to aim at a radiation source? We need an antenna with a sum-difference radiation pattern. And in the meter range, such an antenna has decent dimensions and pushing it into the rocket’s body is very problematic.
  31. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 18: 48 New
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    Quote: Komsomolets
    GEO yes PRR is not an EW station, but just the same, it analyzes the frequency, and the computer gives the pilot recommendations on who shines on it and on whom to shoot first (if there are several emissions). So, first of all they will shoot at fire means, then at combat control stations (centimeter and decimeter range). But he will not shoot at the meter station, since he will not detect its radiation either by the aircraft’s onboard antenna or the HARM antenna. And the enemy is not either, he knows very well that meter stations detect them well, but they will never direct missiles at them.

    Komsomolets, everything, after all, depends on the task, right? Someone flies to bomb the Strategic Missile Forces of air defense, some radars, some dams ... If the air defense system is suppressed, then why won't the radars be destroyed? Can you explain?
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 1 June 2013 19: 00 New
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      GEO and I explained to you above. These are the Yankees rules of firing PRR. The frequency ranges of our stations they have already been flashed, and the rules are attributed to them, first of all, to destroy firepower, it is too painful for them to be afraid of our missiles. They proceed from the principle, if there is no one to shoot, then the command and control stations are already losing their meaning.
      That is, if in Yugoslavia both the SURNI of the KUB battery and the P-19 KP control battery are simultaneously illuminated, then the SURN is given priority for destruction, since destroying its battery becomes useless.
  32. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 19: 12 New
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    Quote: Komsomolets
    GEO and I explained to you above. These are the Yankees rules of firing PRR. The frequency ranges of our stations they have already been flashed, and the rules are attributed to them, first of all, to destroy firepower, it is too painful for them to be afraid of our missiles. They proceed from the principle, if there is no one to shoot, then the command and control stations are already losing their meaning.
    That is, if in Yugoslavia both the SURNI of the KUB battery and the P-19 KP control battery are simultaneously illuminated, then the SURN is given priority for destruction, since destroying its battery becomes useless.

    I will not argue with you, once again I ask you to forgive me for the inappropriate laughter. All night our friends celebrated the arrival of another of our friends.
    But, logically, the radar is not necessarily airborne, if it is not destroyed, it will give target designation further and to other air defense systems ... Where is the logic of not destroying the radar?
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 1 June 2013 19: 22 New
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      GEO Yes, I don’t say that radar control will not be destroyed, of course they will, it’s just a priority to destroy firearms for the radar. If during the raid firing means will be silent, then it will hollow out the radar of the combat command. If there are enough forces and means in the anti-aircraft defense suppression raid, then the firing stations and Tsushnye will be distributed and beat.
  33. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 19: 43 New
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    Quote: Komsomolets
    GEO Yes, I don’t say that radar control will not be destroyed, of course they will, it’s just a priority to destroy firearms for the radar. If during the raid firing means will be silent, then it will hollow out the radar of the combat command. If there are enough forces and means in the anti-aircraft defense suppression raid, then the firing stations and Tsushnye will be distributed and beat.

    Are you a military air defense? LATUZA?
    1. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 1 June 2013 19: 50 New
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      Air defense SV, the "military" hearing cuts me. Orenburg military missile defense system 1991-1995, Smolenskaya VA air defense SV 2000-2002.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 1 June 2013 19: 55 New
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        Bravo, colleagues!
        Greetings!
        It's nice to deal with you!

        Branch Voroshilovgrad VVAUSH (profile OBU) 1990, VVA them. Gagarin 1999 (ASUA department).
  34. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 19: 59 New
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    Quote: Komsomolets
    Air defense SV, the "military" hearing cuts me. Orenburg military missile defense system 1991-1995, Smolenskaya VA air defense SV 2000-2002.

    I from Smolensk was the head of the course in the 2nd year. When he came and said: "Who is the battery officer?" We did not immediately understand))) Skoblikov Sergey Sergeevich. Nice man)))
  35. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 20: 03 New
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    Air defense, .....

    I often used to meet with yours at the factories, for thorough repairs, in some cities they repaired us together))) They drank it))) With LATUZA more and more. Now there is none (((On Gorkovskaya in St. Petersburg
  36. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 20: 06 New
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    Quote: Komsomolets
    Air defense SV, the "military" hearing cuts me. Orenburg military missile defense system 1991-1995, Smolenskaya VA air defense SV 2000-2002.

    By the way, why does the "military" rumor hurt? What is this about? We always said that. If offended - sorry ...
    Air defense of the country and military air defense - protection of troops. There is not only CB ...
  37. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 20: 08 New
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    Quote: aviamed90
    Bravo, colleagues!
    Greetings!
    It's nice to deal with you!

    Branch Voroshilovgrad VVAUSH (profile OBU) 1990, VVA them. Gagarin 1999 (ASUA department).

    Pour it in! Did you have an awl or a sultig or a massander?
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 1 June 2013 20: 17 New
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      Prefer liquor "chassis"!
  38. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 21: 02 New
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    Quote: aviamed90
    Prefer liquor "chassis"!

    damn, I don’t know sho tse take!
  39. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 June 2013 22: 32 New
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    In short, you need to unite and not invent bicycles .. (I'm talking about the army and the security system) and let the politicians fight, they scream laws are issued .. they don’t need to interfere ..
  40. gregor6549
    gregor6549 2 June 2013 17: 12 New
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    Yes, the news is stunning. To give out an old P18, albeit even upgraded, for something new, you need to be able to.
    Nizhny Novgorod has long been three-coordinate radar meter range riveted. They, by the way, and when P18 did it. So fat in chocolate to colleagues Ukrainians for innovation and a sharp overtaking of all in technical progress
  41. ed1968
    ed1968 3 June 2013 18: 17 New
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    as it does not care, as in Ukraine as a whole
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 4 June 2013 16: 11 New
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      But this is in vain. Without Ukraine and Belarus there will be no strong Russia. A temporary twist is a temporary matter. They will pass.