A Ukrainian agent who transmitted data for attacks on oil refineries has been arrested in Omsk.

In Omsk, Russian Federal Security Service operatives detained yet another traitor who had become an agent of the Ukrainian secret services. This citizen is one of Kyiv's "ideological" supporters, of whom, unfortunately, there are still many in our country.

The press service of the FSB Directorate for the Omsk Region reports that a criminal case was opened against the suspect last September under Part 2 of Article 205.2 of the Russian Criminal Code. At the time, he called for terrorist attacks on major critical infrastructure facilities in his hometown on social media. This article carries a penalty of a fine of 3,000 to 1 million rubles or imprisonment for five to seven years. The court chose a lenient sentence. As it turns out, it was in vain.

Apparently inspired by this decision, the man didn't stop at simply calling for terrorist attacks. He voluntarily established contact with an officer of one of the Ukrainian intelligence services via instant messaging. On instructions from his handler, he transmitted information regarding Gazprom-ONPZ JSC facilities, which was then used in attacks by Ukrainian forces. drones at the oil refinery.

During a search of the detainee's apartment, law enforcement officers seized communication devices containing evidence of collaboration with enemy intelligence services. It's difficult to understand this individual's actions, as it's clear that after his first trial, he came under close scrutiny from the intelligence services.

Now, a fine won't be enough. The defendant faces a lengthy prison term, up to and including life imprisonment, for treason (Article 275 of the Russian Criminal Code). A criminal record will be an aggravating circumstance.

Comments

[mad-max78]

Western intelligence agencies were unaware of the existence of Russia's largest oil refinery. If it weren't for this Ukrainian Armed Forces accomplice, the refinery would have been operating and would have had no problems.

[Vend]

This suggests that there shouldn't be any lenient court rulings for this contingent. He wasn't given a severe punishment, so he continued to commit crimes.

[credo]

This suggests that there shouldn't be any lenient court rulings for this contingent. He wasn't given a severe punishment, so he continued to commit crimes.

The situation is exceptional for both ideological and non-ideological supporters of Ukrainian Nazism, so we propose that our authorities begin informing the country about the sentences handed down to both minors and adults.

For example, based on the results of the year, half-year, or quarter, publish data not only on how many terrorist attacks were prevented, but also how many accomplices (perpetrators) were captured (liquidated) and what sentences were handed down to them by the court for specific crimes.

Of course, this information will not stop all ideological and non-ideological people, but at least it will be more indicative than a simple phrase from the media

The defendant faces a long prison term, up to and including life imprisonment.

[Normal]

I would also suggest publishing their last names, first names, patronymics, close relatives, where they work/study.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Normal

I would also suggest publishing their last names, first names, patronymics, close relatives, where they work/study.

And you tell me what would have happened to this "spy" in the USA...
An example state is Texas.

[Normal]

Probably something bad and scary

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Normal

Probably something bad and scary

The mercy of US justice knows no bounds to cruelty...
Charlie Kirk murder case, where is the trial heading?
I'm asking to find out, because everything has somehow gone quiet, maybe the case has already been closed...

[Normal]

Thanks for the feedback and the information you shared. I didn't know that.

[ABC-schutze]

Just in case...

"Knowing" is one thing. But having active agents is quite another (and, by the way, "different," without quotation marks...).
But the aforementioned "trial in Omsk," I suspect, certainly didn't know that the SVO case against the Bandera Nazis and their masters (including "Western intelligence agencies") has been going on for five years now. Otherwise, in the FOURTH year of the SVO, i.e., last year, it would have certainly earned its "judge's salary" conscientiously, not for a "humanitarian" show, and sent the "ideological" freak straight to seven years. The Criminal Code is quite well-established, after all...

[LaraM]

Western intelligence agencies were unaware of the existence of Russia's largest oil refinery.

Intelligence knows about Omsk. But what exactly could one of them do that was so valuable? For some reason, they won't tell us.

On instructions from his supervisor, he transmitted information regarding the facilities of Gazprom-ONPZ JSC, which was then used during attacks. - What kind of information is this?
He went to the oil refinery entrance and attached a beacon there so that the drone could see where to fly?

Well, what can one illiterate idiot do that's so incredibly important?

[January]

Quote: LaraM

Well, what can one illiterate idiot do that's so incredibly important?

For example, I refined and adjusted the results of hits. Or I recorded the locations of mobile task forces and air defense systems. That's more than enough.

[LaraM]

recorded the locations of mobile task forces and air defense systems.

But can anyone really approach an air defense system—I, for example, have a hard time even understanding what it looks like in real life—and take a photo?

[January]

Firstly, they are often quite visible. For example, I've seen MTF tachankas roaming the city more than once.
Secondly, you don't necessarily have to approach or take photos. Just take the coordinates. And you can be "not just anyone" and have access to places where "outsiders B" are not allowed.

[bk316]

and what about air defense? For example, I don’t even I don't understand very wellWhat does it look like in real life? Can anyone come up and take a photo?

Lara, do you live in Russia?
Then just look around. You can't mistake a shell for a tractor.

[LaraM]

You can't confuse a shell with a tractor.

In Siberia, we only see tractors... For now.))

[bk316]

In Siberia, we only see tractors... For now

Where in Siberia is this?
I fly around the country a lot.
I've seen air defense systems everywhere...

[LaraM]

Novosibirsk region.

[bk316]

Well, that's where they are in Novosibirsk.
They even wrote that MOGs are riding.
And the entire 14th Air Defense Army

[LaraM]

Not in residential areas, though. If you want to see it, you'd have to go somewhere special.

[bk316]

There would be a desire.
And of course, only the hohols install air defense systems in residential areas.
But they have a different air defense concept.

[Evgeny64]

Driving past Novosibirsk, there are tons of them, near all the strategic sites. If you know what to look for, it's not hard to spot them, even without leaving the highway.

[bk316]

Or he recorded the locations of mobile task forces and air defense systems.

Most probably.

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: ian

For example, he clarified and adjusted the results of hits

You're right, even a dumb monkey would be able to understand with their fingers what information they need and how to convey it. The main thing for them is to find an idiot without moral compunction. Something else is alarming:

...in September of last year...The court chose a lenient sentence. As it turns out, in vain.

This means that the judge himself and those special services units that were supposed to keep an eye on this freak, allowing the leak of critical information, should bear some of the responsibility.

[January]

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

So, part of the responsibility should be borne by the judge himself, and by those special services units that were supposed to keep an eye on this freak.

In order for our courts and "authorities" to be held accountable for their actions, the principles and methods of the system must be changed. Unfortunately, this is unrealistic in the near future.

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: ian

the principles and methods of the system need to be changed

Every system has its own security units. Otherwise, it won't function; it would simply be undermined and destroyed from within.

[January]

It is they who, first and foremost, usually protect it from the encroachments of “revolutionaries” who are trying to change this system.

[Evgenijus]

LaraM (Lara): Intelligence knows about Omsk. But what exactly could one of them do that was so valuable? For some reason, they won't tell us.
Why do you need to know what one person can do to harm Russia? Go to your nearest FSB office (the police will tell you where to go), they'll explain everything to you. And they'll put you on record...

[Grancer81]

Intelligence agencies know about Omsk, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk, Kemerovo and Novokuznetsk, Tyumen and Surgut, but intelligence service is not only about knowing where and what is located.

[January]

"Apparently, this is one of those "ideological" supporters of Kyiv, of which, unfortunately, there are still plenty in our country."
Our country has been growing them for 30 years. And now we're wondering where they come from?
It's like with Moses: we'll have to lead the people for 40 years to bring about a new generation of "citizens of the world." Patriotism in a country isn't born in a week...

[ser-pov]

Patriotism in a country is not born in a week...

I think I would have been born if treason had been publicly sentenced to death... The number of people looking to make money and ideological idiots would have immediately decreased significantly...

[January]

This is not called patriotism, but the downtroddenness of the population.
You are confusing concepts

[January]

I'll add and reiterate, looking at the number of downvotes: patriotism doesn't grow from fear of punishment. It grows from pride in one's country.

[LaraM]

He grows up with pride for his country.

Where can you get any pride if this idiot West's concert sold out, and this pro-Kremlin gentleman, Nikolai Starikov, commented like this: "I have no complaints about the concert organizers. They're making money."

Are these normal people at the helm? He has no complaints. Britain banned this worthless scum from entering the country, but Russia has no complaints...

[January]

Russia has no issues with businesses as long as they pay their taxes. No matter what they are. Unfortunately...
And I already wrote where it will come from.

[LaraM]

Russia has no complaints about businesses as long as they pay their taxes, no matter what they are.

This is savagery. And the result of this savagery is that for four and a half years, everyone can see it. The first serious disaster showed how disastrous this idea is – to have no ideology in the country.

[January]

You are probably right.
Everyone's outraged and thinks "something needs to be done." Someone has to do something to make things better for us...
In the meantime, we live in this situation in this country.

[LaraM]

Somebody has to do something,

Not just anyone, but the president. Not just something, but a specific thing. Add two words to your own phrase: "People can live wherever they want, but within Russia's borders." And that's it, in the fundamental law. That's it. Nothing else is needed. That's the main thing. This will become the ideology for the nouveau riche. And ordinary people won't go anywhere anyway. Millions are needed to go there, and we don't have them.

[Evgeny64]

It's not a question of patriotism; you can't make everyone a patriot. But those who are patriots of other countries, or rather, of their money, should simply be afraid. Some will be proud, while others simply need to feel like they're involuntarily urinating at the mere thought of messing up their own country.

[January]

Quote: Evgeny64

It's not a question of patriotism,

It is in it.

Quote: ser-pov

Patriotism in a country is not born in a week...
I think I would have been born if I had been sentenced to death for treason...

The discussion was precisely about instilling patriotism through demonstratively punitive methods.

[Evgeny64]

Well, only if so, then yes.

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: ian

Patriotism in a country is not born in a week.

In the world's most socially stratified society, where 1% of the population owns three-quarters of the wealth and the government serves the interests of only this percentage, patriotism is fundamentally impossible. Most people can only be driven by one goal: survival. Therefore, the escalation of external threats is crucial for the approval ratings of the current government and its oligarchs.

[January]

Excuse me, but what country are you writing to us from?
Because the highest social stratification in the world is found in South Africa (SA). In this country, the richest 10% of the population receives approximately 66% of all income. A country where the top 1% owns 75% of the income is unknown to science...

[Sergey Novikov_3]

"Before spending huge sums of money on defense, we must first create for the people a standard of living they will be willing to defend." /Carl Gustaf Mannerheim/
Perhaps this is the very basis of patriotism? And when state demons deprive legal parents of their parental rights in favor of adoption by a foreign NATO spy, what kind of patriotism can we talk about?

[Boris Sergeev]

Who will foster and cultivate patriotism in the country? High-ranking "parents" and "educators" are often rattling off to Israel, the United States, and other Spanish countries after rattling off the usual speeches about patriotism and unity.


https://kprf.ru/ruso/218757.html

[January]

Quote: Boris Sergeev

Who will create and cultivate patriotism in the country?

Someone who wants to have a patriotic population in the future. And such a population can only exist in a country of which it is proud. So this isn't a question of "before the fall." It's a question of generations and changes in the country.
For now, we have what we have...

[your1970]

Quote: ian

Such a population can only exist in a country it's proud of. So it's not a question of "waiting until autumn." It's a question of generations and changes in the country.

So in 1991 the population was not proud of the country?

[January]

Quote: your1970

So in 1991 the population was not proud of the country?

You probably haven't been to this country?
The derogatory "Sovok" was the most common name for the country, and the idea of ​​scattering to apartments and "we ourselves live in poverty, but we are the ones feeding everyone" was heard on every corner.
However, little has changed in 37 years...

[Boris Sergeev]

History is written by the victors, of course, but the referendum - where it was allowed to be held - in 1991 spoke in favor of preserving the Union.

[January]

Being proud of your country and trying to preserve it are two different things, don't you think?

[Boris Sergeev]

Many were proud of it. Those who picked up the foreigners' chewing gum weren't proud.

[January]

The problem is that in 91 the overwhelming majority of the country dreamed of picking her up.

[LaraM]

In 91, the overwhelming majority of the country dreamed of picking her up

Absolutely right. And who brought 300 million to such a brutal state? A bunch of party elites who started licking the US's toes and sold everything for fat rations and houses abroad.

[January]

Why does a conversation with a woman always turn from "what to do" to "who is to blame?"
That's not what we were talking about...

[Boris Sergeev]

Speak for yourself, the country does not need your generalizations.

RIA Katyusha:

When I look at all this, memories of Mr. Maxim Leonidov come to mind. Remember that swashbuckler who, in 2022, began slinging dirt at Russia from abroad, but for some reason never became a foreign agent. Like many others like him. So, a long time ago, he fondly shared memories of his youth, when they would follow American tourists in Moscow, pick up their discarded gum, "clean it up," and then chew it themselves for a long time. He himself said these things about himself. Sometimes even with pride. This is the mentality of this part of our society. Which is not very large. But, unfortunately, a huge part of our elite is made up of precisely such characters.

[LaraM]

But, unfortunately, a huge part of our elite consists of precisely such characters.

You're right. Today, these characters are on the Forbes list, and half of them are abroad.

[Montezuma]

Quote: ian

You probably haven't been to this country?
The derogatory "Sovok" was the most common name for the country.

I remember there was a period in the "holy 90s" when officers were not recommended to appear in uniform on city streets - the result of liberal propaganda that the army is an obedient tool of the "commies".

[January]

I don’t remember, moreover, I spent those years mostly in uniform, but I admit that in some areas of the country this could well have happened...

[Montezuma]

Quote: ian

but I admit that in some areas of the country this could well have happened...

And it was. And I also remember some military men were forced to take on side jobs. I personally knew such an officer; he worked as a taxi driver in his spare time.

[January]

Quote: Montezuma

I personally knew such an officer; I worked as a taxi driver in my free time.

We are all sinners

[Evgeny64]

Yes, most of us worked part-time, whoever we could. I repaired cars for private owners and even worked part-time as a mechanic at a company, I repaired equipment, installed decoders in TVs, and on vacation I drove cars from the West to Siberia.
The political officer tried to bully me about my official part-time jobs, telling me to go work for the national economy. I was sent packing, because by then my pension had already been exhausted, and an officer's monthly salary was less than an evening's worth of tinkering with cars in the garage. And since I wasn't working in a warehouse, there was nothing to sell, and no one was interested in my position. So my superiors quickly explained to the political officer that if I were fired, he would leave his office and take my position, and after a couple of weeks of 24-hour shifts and endless assignments to various less-than-perfect locations, he would hang himself, if he lived that long.
That's how we lived, and by 2000 he retired anyway, thanks to the persuasion of his friends and wife.

[batmanxnumx]

I wasn't proud of it. I went to school during the perestroika years. Absolutely every student (including the younger grades) verbally mocked the "wretched Soviet Union," composed offensive songs about Gorbachev and the communists, and generally were 146% convinced that foreign products were the best and highest quality, while everything domestic was trash and "fecal matter."

[Boris Sergeev]

81 is apparently the year of birth. That is, she attended school in 1987-1988—so to speak, with Ogonyok and Comrade A.N. Yakovlev, who was recruited back in the early 60s.

[Boris Sergeev]

Someone who wants to have a patriotic population in the future. And such a population can only exist in a country of which it is proud.

You probably understand that appealing to the authorities on this matter, which defends the right of officials to property in the countries of a potential enemy, is useless.

[January]

Well, I'm not calling for that.
It seemed to me that the question being discussed is under what conditions and when will patriots of their country become the overwhelming majority of the population.

[Boris Sergeev]

Who will create these conditions? Only a nationally oriented government. There's no one else.

[January]

The question remains: where will it come from, if the generation capable of accepting this power grew up on the idea of ​​“grab and run”?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Be responsible for yourself and, as they say, do what must be done...

[LaraM]

depart for Israel, the USA and other Spanish countries.

What surprises you? "People can live wherever they want – V Putin"

[Boris Sergeev]

That's probably why he has no issues with Golikova-Khristenko regarding the publications about their property on the Côte d'Azur. France is one of the strongholds of the "coalition of those willing" to join Odesa with Nikolaev.

Golikova is not a bearer of state secrets, by any chance?

[LaraM]

Golikova is not a bearer of state secrets, by any chance?

They don't care. Chubais in Israel, Yumashev in Austria, Abramovich sticks his nose everywhere, from Kyiv to Istanbul...there are no secrets there anymore. We're only not allowed to message each other on Telegram, but they can do anything.

[bk316]

Who will create and cultivate patriotism in the country?

The guys who will return from the SVO.

[Boris Sergeev]

They will be taken for a ride on an icebreaker and appointed deputy governors.

[bk316]

They will be taken for a ride on an icebreaker and appointed deputy governors.

H4u, firstly, we don’t have that many provinces.
And secondly, the deputy governor is a perfectly suitable position for fostering patriotism.

[Boris Sergeev]

So give me an example of someone from "Time of Heroes" who was promoted higher! Yes, deputy governor is the perfect position for instilling patriotism, especially against the backdrop of the ubiquitous Kirkorov, who danced on a cross and walked "through the wrong door," Sobchak, who appears in all the "society" news (at least not in the yellow and blue ones, as she once danced with a certain "non-traditional" guy), and Kanye West, who's already being invited to Putin's office.

[bk316]

Have you been banned from Yandex? Well, read on then.

By decree of the head of state, Hero of the DPR Artem Zhoga was appointed Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the Urals Federal District.

Alexey Kondratyev became a senator of the Russian Federation.

This is right on topic of education.
Hero of Russia Igor Yurgin has become the head of the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Social Communications of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia).

[Boris Sergeev]

You're absolutely stunning! Haven't you been banned from Yandex yet, like I was on VO?

During the forum at the Yeltsin Center, Artem Zhoga toured the exhibits at the Museum of Russia's First President. The Plenipotentiary Representative denied that the organization distorts historical facts. "I was transported back to my childhood, my youth, my adolescence. I had just finished school when the Soviet Union collapsed, and I experienced it all firsthand. It's a very good museum, informative," Mr. Zhoga emphasized. The Plenipotentiary Representative assured that he has no intention of making significant changes to the Yeltsin Center's operations.

[bk316]

You simply knocked me out!

And why did you write this to me?
You asked who from the "time of heroes" was appointed to high positions.
I answered you.
Why the hell are you sending me some copypasta about the Yeltsin Center?
No one to chat with?

[Boris Sergeev]

What did you say? On the scales of real power, all these appointees of Putin's godmother, who struts under a portrait of Bandera, are worthless! Zhogi's example speaks volumes.

[Boris Sergeev]

Greetings to Igor Yurgin from Ksenia Sobchak!

[Grancer81]

People in Korkino, where gypsies killed a Russian taxi driver, have already seen for themselves what Zhoga is like.
And after that, there was recently the murder of a Russian guy who made a remark to drunken gypsies.
And where is he, Zhoga?

[your1970]

Quote: bk316

And secondly, the deputy governor is a perfectly suitable position for fostering patriotism.

He can easily be jailed for embezzlement in a year - since he is not a specialist - his subordinates will set him up in no time

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ian

It’s like with Moses: now we’ll have to lead the people for 40 years so that the generation of “citizens of the world” changes.

The Soviet Union succeeded—not all Ukrainians were policemen, after all. And all in just 20 years. Maybe it can work now, too?

Although...
At that time, there was a powerful repressive apparatus, combined with an equally powerful ideology. Today, only "universalists" recall that repressive apparatus when they smear our history, and the official language has the universal slogan "we're like that."
It's better not to think about ideology at all...

But for those caught red-handed, it would be great to reinstate the practice of "running to the nearest wall"...

And yes, I am that bloodthirsty. Of all my relatives, for example, none were convicted of spying for three foreign intelligence agencies or served in the Schutzmannschaft. Quite the opposite, in fact – the orders and medals of close relatives I keep, awarded for their labor and for the war, can be counted by the handful, not the thousand.

[bk316]

And yes, I am that bloodthirsty.

It's not bloodthirstiness, it's, so to speak, realism.
Otherwise we simply won’t survive.

[Montezuma]

Quote: ian

"Apparently, this is one of those "ideological" supporters of Kyiv, of which, unfortunately, there are still plenty in our country."
Our country has been growing them for 30 years. And now we're wondering where they come from?

Here's another one caught, and far from the last. There seems to be some kind of regular process of identifying and catching traitors. And each successive one apparently considers themselves smarter and more cunning than the last.

MOSCOW, August 20. /TASS/. FSB officers have detained a 59-year-old Crimean resident who was transmitting information about FSB border service facilities on the peninsula to Ukraine. This was reported by the FSB Public Relations Center (PRC).
"The Federal Security Service has detained a Russian citizen born in 1967 on the territory of the Republic of Crimea, suspected of treason," the Center for Public Relations reported.

According to the FSB, a resident of the village of Foros "proactively contacted a representative of the State Border Service of Ukraine and, via WhatsApp (owned by Meta, a company recognized as extremist and banned in Russia – TASS), transmitted information to his supervisor about the locations of FSB Border Directorate facilities in the Republic of Crimea." This information could later be used to plan sabotage and missile and artillery strikes by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

[Zoldat_A]

Alexander, !

Quote: Montezuma

Here's another one caught, and far from the last. There seems to be some kind of regular process of identifying and catching traitors. And each successive one apparently considers themselves smarter and more cunning than the last.

And if we were to show it "to the nearest wall" on the news, SLIGHTLY blurred, do you think it would help?
My opinion is that if at least one or two of them balk and refuse to cooperate with Ukraine, a positive effect will already have been achieved. Because even one terrorist attack can cause big problems. And adding even a modicum of preventative measures to good operational work is never a bad thing. If they can't think and feel, let them at least be afraid.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And if we were to show it "to the nearest wall" on the news, SLIGHTLY blurred, do you think it would help?

Igor, !
I think it would help if at least a few of them were shown, as a demonstration. On all the major channels, with a ticker tape explaining the charges, plus preluding footage of the arrest and personal confession. It would be a very compelling spectacle for potential followers.
But we are like that.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Montezuma

On all the central channels, with a running line informing why, plus preceding footage of the arrest and personal confession.

Moreover, for those who, on principle, do not watch our "thoroughly propaganda TV" (I know several people who, for ideological reasons, have not had a television at home for 20-30 years), they learn everything from Western media. They will raise SUCH a howl about "human rights" such as we have not heard since the expulsion of dissidents.

So everyone is guaranteed to find out. Especially the target audience, which still gets ALL its news exclusively from the enemy's "voices."

[LaraM]

And each subsequent one apparently considers himself smarter and more cunning than the previous ones.

That's not the point - they're sure that sooner or later they'll all be exchanged. There are tons of precedents. That's all.

[Montezuma]

Quote: LaraM

They are confident that sooner or later they will all be exchanged. There are a ton of precedents.

Could you give at least a few examples of the exchange of terrorists who are Russian citizens for someone from 404?

[LaraM]

Could you give at least a few examples of the exchange of terrorists who are Russian citizens for someone from 404?

Google it. What's there, nothing?

[Montezuma]

Quote: LaraM

Google it. What's there, nothing?

You asked this question, so you should google it.

[LaraM]

You asked this question, so you should google it.

My opinion is that sooner or later these prisoners will be released—either by exchange or otherwise—the time will come and perhaps we'll find out. I don't want to argue with you about why they're doing this. They're counting on something, so they're doing it. Whether their plans come true or not is beyond our control. If they want to, they'll give them up without exchange. Like the Marine they gave up the other day, they probably won't even report to us.

[Montezuma]

Quote: LaraM

My opinion is that sooner or later these prisoners will be released - either by exchange or by other means - the time will come and we will find out.

It turns out that your assertion about the "sea of ​​precedents" has suddenly withered on the vine, leaving only an opinion.

They are confident that sooner or later they will all be exchanged. there are a sea of ​​precedents.

[LaraM]

there are a sea of ​​precedents.

If I don't give you a "sea of ​​precedents," what difference will it make? There are no precedents, so is there a guarantee he'll serve his 20 years? Exactly.

They used to say the same thing about the Azov people.

[Montezuma]

Dedicated to the persistent Lara M.☝️

The last word should be mine,
Let them even contradict each other in chorus.
It doesn't matter if someone else is right,
I will wear you all down.

[Sarboz]

Quote: ian

It's like with Moses: we'll have to lead the people for 40 years to bring about a new generation of "citizens of the world." Patriotism in a country isn't born in a week...

I agree with every word. Re-educating "citizens of the world" is impossible, so at the current stage of the struggle, punishments for treason and betrayal of the Motherland must be dramatically increased.

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: ian

Patriotism in a country is not born in a week.

In the world's most socially stratified society, where 1% of the population owns three-quarters of the wealth and the government serves the interests of only this percentage, patriotism is fundamentally impossible. Most people can only be driven by one goal: survival. Therefore, the escalation of external threats is crucial for the approval ratings of the current government and its oligarchs.

[nordscout]

I never tire of repeating Lenin's phrase: ".... We must not deceive ourselves and believe in untruths; this is the source of our formalism..." A state lacking a state ideology, as a rule, ultimately loses its statehood... And a state in which everything "revolves" around money, where everything and everyone is subordinated to money and its quantity, embezzlement, betrayal, terrorism, and plain old theft for the sake of money become a perfectly understandable source of budget revenue, gradually "flowing" into a habit that corrupts the country's population...

[your1970]

Quote from nordscout

A state that lacks a state ideology, as a rule, ultimately loses its statehood.

Of the 192 countries in the world, 18 had an ideology (communist!!) - the rest lived without ideology.
Of them, only two remained alive - the rest are gone...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: your1970

The rest lived without ideology.

Well, you wrote something stupid.

[your1970]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: your1970

The rest lived without ideology.

Well, you wrote something stupid.

What ideology was in capitalist countries?
This was a response to the thesis

Quote from nordscout

A state that lacks a state ideology, ultimately, as a rule, loses its statehood... And a state in which everything "revolves" around money, where everything and everyone is subordinated to money and its quantity, embezzlement, betrayal, terrorism, banal theft for the sake of money,

Push the thought - what STATE IDEOLOGY Have you been to the USA/Australia/Germany/Japan?!!!!
And 7 downvoters decided that Denmark/India/Greece/and a bunch of other countries out of 192 certainly had some kind of STATE IDEOLOGY

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: your1970

What ideology was in capitalist countries?

are you serious now?!
for example, Nazism, fascism, Protestant ideology

[your1970]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: your1970

What ideology was in capitalist countries?

are you serious now?!
for example, Nazism, fascism, Protestant ideology

Excellent - that's the opponent's position

Quote from nordscout

A state that lacks a state ideology ultimately, as a rule, loses its statehood.

- FALSE - states with ideology they were completely losing their statehood.

Thank you for your help and support!!

[Boris Sergeev]

Of the 192 countries in the world, 18 had an ideology (communist!!) - the rest lived without ideology.
Of them, only two remained alive - the rest are gone...

And what does this prove? Is the "Epstein Coalition" in charge?

[your1970]

Quote: Boris Sergeev

Of the 192 countries in the world, 18 had an ideology (communist!!) - the rest lived without ideology.
Of them, only two remained alive - the rest are gone...

And what does this prove? Is the "Epstein Coalition" in charge?

This only proves that states can live quite well without state ideology - nothing more.

[bk316]

Of the 192 countries in the world, 18 had an ideology (communist!!) - the rest lived without ideology.

Don't confuse soft with small.
IDEOLOGY IS NOT IDENTICAL WITH COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY.

The Third Reich had Nazi ideology.
And in Israel it is Zionist.
A bunch of countries with religious ideologies (yes, religion is not separated from the state everywhere)
And in the EU, there's a globalist ideology of minority domination. All sorts of... God forgive me.

[your1970]

Quote: bk316

And in the EU, there's a globalist ideology of minority domination. All sorts of... God forgive me.

Is it written down in the Constitutions of the EU states?
The opponent claimed that

Quote from nordscout

A state that lacks a state ideology, as a rule, ultimately loses its statehood.

- If you claim that there is ideology everywhere, then all the states you listed (including the Third Reich, yeah) will live long and happily...

[LaraM]

And a state in which everything revolves around money,

Everyone understands this perfectly well. The only way to do anything is to bang rifle butts on their gates. Simple words don't reach the bigwigs.

[All names are taken]

Reading this makes you view the "repressions" differently. In 1941, after his first trial, he could only provide the coordinates of the camp barracks.

[Couch General]

In Morse code, with chattering teeth...

[Waifu]

Will we live to see the arrests of the "accomplices" who are smuggling gas and oil to Ukraine and the West?

[Gardamir]

I wonder why the transfer of billions to Ukraine is not considered treason.

[foxes]

Or the Lukoil tankers used to refuel the An-124s transporting weapons to Banderites. But Alekperov is allowed to do so. And he won't face the same prison sentence as for arson of a relay cabinet.

[LaraM]

Lukoil tankers used to refuel the An-124,

If the latest data is accurate, all of Lukoil's foreign assets have been confiscated. The US Treasury Department is monitoring this action. So, it's too late to rush around—all of Lukoil's foreign assets have been confiscated. Alekperov is silently watching, unable to intervene.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

This citizen is one of the “ideological” supporters of Kyiv.

impale the beast, literally impale it and don't remove it, let the skeleton remind everyone

[faridg7]

Just put it in a truck stop in a region where they sell no more than 200 liters a day, and remove the security from it so that the security guys don't have nightmares later.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

This is lynching, but what is needed here is exemplary punishment from the state.

[faridg7]

It was already demonstrative - conditional, they know that there will be no axe, and you look and they will just wag their finger

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Here's a demonstration of an axe-head and make one, or better yet, a stake in the ass

[Pravodel]

A Ukrainian agent who transmitted data for attacks on oil refineries has been arrested in Omsk.

Our guys keep catching and catching and catching these bastards, but they still don't go away...
Another greeting from the turbulent 90s from the liberals, who destroyed the system of raising children and youth that existed in the USSR and Russia, and replaced education with the provision of services...

[Kot28.Ru.]

Isn't it time for such ideological supporters of the Kyiv regime to "unmothball" all measures of social protection?

[Gomunkul]

Another traitor who became an agent of the Ukrainian special services was detained.

Such people should be sentenced to death.

[Reptiloid]

lenient punishment

This is the result of this softness. They should at least draw conclusions and stop spreading softness. It costs too much.

[rusich]

You can't treat people like that humanely; they should be given the full sentences right away. She had trouble with the law in Sochi because of her stupidity, but they treated her humanely. She planted explosives, and the officer died. It's the same story in Omsk. Humanitarianism won't help with such bastards; they should be given the full treatment the first time.

[Radical]

The press service of the FSB Directorate for the Omsk Region reports that a criminal case was opened against the suspect last September under Part 2 of Article 205.2 of the Russian Criminal Code. At the time, he called for terrorist attacks on major critical infrastructure facilities in his hometown on social media. This article carries a penalty of a fine of 3,000 to 1 million rubles or imprisonment for five to seven years. The court chose a lenient sentence. As it turns out, it was in vain.

Judge, pardon the tautology, judge as an accomplice!

[PVV22121922]

The liberal agenda has nurtured these scum. It's understandable when a person becomes less than human under the threat of death or torture. But simply being a scum is only for the liberals and the "saints" of the 90s.

[vi_fbpmail.ru]

Send this jerk to the gas station line.

[Anatoly Eliseev]

Life sentence for this bastard! Let him work for Russia.