KAAN: A cause for concern, especially for NATO allies

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KAAN: A cause for concern, especially for NATO allies

The KAAN P1 prototype, developed in Turkey, has entered a more advanced stage of development. The new Ottoman Empire needed its own fighter jet, since the F-35 failed, so no expense is spared: relying on licensed F-15s is possible, but with caution. Various scenarios could unfold, and all of them would be unpleasant for Turkey.

Turkish Aerospace demonstrated how an aircraft undergoes taxi tests under its own power.




Official footage shows that the airframe has been significantly improved and is designed to move from basic flight testing to full-scale operation, including combat.

This important milestone marks the program's transition from airworthiness confirmation to validation of the sensors, systems, and aerodynamic improvements needed to create a reliable fifth-generation fighter. This will strengthen the Turkish Air Force in the long term and enhance NATO's industrial and operational resilience in the future—assuming the alliance's members don't fall out completely for various reasons.

The P1 prototype underwent significant design changes, including redesigned air intakes, a redesigned nose, provision for domestically developed infrared, electro-optical, and electronic systems, and a redesigned chassis configuration.


While many components are still under development, the aircraft demonstrates Turkey's growing ability to develop and improve combat aircraft domestically.

On July 31, 2026, Turkish Aerospace released official footage showing the KAAN P1 prototype moving under its own power during taxiing tests at the company's facilities in Ankara. This is the clearest public indication yet that the program is moving into a more advanced testing phase.

This event follows two public flights of the P0 flight test prototype in 2024 and marks the transition from confirming the KAAN's airworthiness to evaluating its aerodynamic, structural, and systems configuration. The P1's sophisticated geometry and increasingly visible elements for domestically developed electro-optical, infrared, and electronic warfare systems suggest that the airframe already integrates important elements of the KAAN's future combat architecture, although their exact configuration and operational status have not been officially disclosed.

The P1 demonstrates Turkey's growing capability to develop its own combat aircraft, its potential contribution to the future resilience of NATO air power, and the strategic importance of maintaining an alternative development path, which is the KAAN, after the F-35 was abandoned.

From flight demonstrator to test vehicle



The KAAN P0 accomplished a crucial mission, proving Turkey's ability to design, manufacture, and operate a combat aircraft. The first flight on February 21, 2024, lasted 13 minutes and reached an altitude of 2400 meters, while the second flight on May 6 lasted 14 minutes and reached an altitude of 3000 meters.

Thus, the P1 should not be viewed as an identical second aircraft, but as the result of an engineering process that took into account the experience gained in the development of the P0, as well as in various rig work, ground testing, aerodynamic analysis, manufacturing activities and subsystem development.

Taxiway testing is crucial because it allows engineers to study several interrelated functions, including engine response, braking, nosewheel steering, hydraulics, power generation, cockpit displays, thermal management, and structural vibration. The aircraft's flight performance demonstrates that several key systems are working together as part of an extensive flight test program.

One of the most noticeable visual changes occurred at the front of the aircraft. The P0 was equipped with a long flight data acquisition boom, extending directly from the nose and aligned with the aircraft's longitudinal centerline. This instrument placement allows pressure, angle of attack, and sideslip sensors to be mounted ahead of the disturbed airflow created by the forward fuselage, providing engineers with accurate baseline data for aerodynamic calibration and flight control system validation.

The P1 also retained the air data acquisition boom, confirming that data collection is still part of the test program. However, the probe was moved from the centerline of the nose and mounted on the starboard side of the forward fuselage. This revised location may be due to changes in the forward fuselage geometry, the layout of the test equipment, or the need to retain the central portion of the nose, although its exact engineering purpose has not been officially disclosed. Therefore, the boom should be considered temporary flight test equipment rather than part of the intended operational configuration of the KAAN.

The P1 is also lower than the P0, with a shorter, more compact nose and main landing gear, and a wider main track. Due to the camera angle, an exact size comparison is impossible, but visually, the difference in landing gear position is significant.

TAAC officially describes the Australian-developed KAAN landing gear as a retractable tricycle system incorporating a steering nose wheel, integrated braking system, actuators, locking mechanisms, hydraulic components, control units and landing gear position warning equipment.

P0 performed public flights with the landing gear permanently extended and did not demonstrate its retraction. Therefore, P1 is intended to serve as a platform for evaluating the complete landing gear extension and retraction process, landing gear hatch operation, emergency release, and aircraft handling in an aerodynamically clean configuration—that is, with the landing gear retracted.

Improvements and integration in Turkish



The air intake and forward fuselage also appear to have undergone significant changes. On the P1, the leading edges of the side intakes begin further from the cockpit, and the intake fins are deeper and blend smoothly into the vertical stabilizers. In some views, the central fuselage appears wider. These changes may be related to inlet airflow management, internal ducting for cooling requirements, or to allocate additional volume for avionics, fuel, and internal weapons.

Furthermore, they may contribute to further reduction in signature, particularly in cases where the leading edges, fuselage vertical stabilizers, and internal ducts must balance efficient engine airflow with thermal signature reduction. The images do not show the geometry of the internal ducts, so it is premature to make precise statements about aerodynamic efficiency or signature reduction. However, the scale of the external changes indicates a major structural overhaul rather than a superficial modification.

A mockup of the planned ASELSAN KARAT infrared search and tracking system can be seen on the fuselage just in front of the cockpit canopy, while the angular fairing under the forward fuselage almost exactly matches the proposed location of the TOYGUN electro-optical targeting system. These systems will provide passive airborne detection, long-range identification, and high-precision targeting without the use of radar, indicating a focus on stealth.

However, their presence shouldn't be taken as proof that all sensors, processors, cooling systems, and software are ready for operation. Even as experimental setups or preliminary solutions, they demonstrate that Turkish engineers are working to improve sensor visibility, vibration isolation, structural attachment, power supply, thermal management, and maintainability within the aircraft's signature-based geometry. This is a significant improvement over the flying but poorly equipped demonstrator.


The contrasting areas visible at the leading edges and tips of the P1's canted vertical stabilizers also correspond to locations for radio frequency (RF) equipment or electronic warfare systems. Their arrangement is reminiscent of the broader integration concept implemented on the Kızılelma (or Su-57 – ed.), in which antenna functions are integrated into the airframe rather than relegated to traditional protruding hulls. On the KAAN, this arrangement could potentially provide radar warning, electronic support, communications, or electronic countermeasures, all while maintaining aerodynamic cleanliness and stealth.

Turkish Aerospace, naturally, has not published a detailed diagram of the antenna layout on the P1, meaning that each contrast panel cannot be described as an element of the electronic warfare antenna system; this would not be consistent with the available data.

It's safe to say that the vertical tail architecture is designed for distributed and conformal RF integration. Each additional aperture also imposes requirements for power supply, heat dissipation, electromagnetic compatibility, dedicated computing power for high-speed data processing, and space in the pilot's workstation. Thus, the P1 begins to reveal the architecture of the onboard information and control system, not just the fighter's appearance.

Changes are also noticeable in the rear fuselage and tailplane. The P1 features updated panels, vents, and fairings around the engine bays, and the space between the engines and stabilizer roots appears more refined than on the P0. The stabilizers have sharper angular contours, and the vertical tail tips also appear modified. Because the P1 remains an experimental aircraft, not all of its visible features can be considered representative of the final production configuration.

Sovereign Air Power for the New Ottoman Empire?



For Turkey, the P1 is a testament to something more significant than the successful development of an aircraft design: the very emergence of a domestic combat aircraft design complex. The decisive factor is the ability to define requirements, produce prototypes, collect test data, identify deficiencies, make design and system modifications, and return the improved aircraft to testing.

Turkish Aerospace is leading this process, but KAAN is also mobilizing a broader national ecosystem that includes the Presidency of Defense Industries, ASELSAN, TAAC, and numerous companies operating in the fields of structures, avionics, electro-optics, software, materials, flight control systems, and test equipment.


Turkey's official program goals emphasize maximum domestic industrial participation and technological autonomy, with the goal of achieving low observability and advanced control and sensor systems. The visible evolution of the P1 demonstrates that these ambitions are being realized in metal, composite materials, software interfaces, and flight test equipment.

The strategic outcome is not a rejection of international cooperation, but a strengthening of the capacity for cooperation without compromising national control over the development of management systems, certification weapons, electronic warfare programs, maintenance priorities and future upgrades.

Does NATO need all this?



For NATO, KAAN could represent much more than just additional fighter squadrons. The Alliance is once again placing a strong emphasis on expanding its defense industrial capabilities, protecting critical supply chains, and building capabilities that can be scaled and sustained in protracted crises.

A developed Turkish production and support ecosystem will create another center of excellence for combat aircraft development on NATO's strategically important southeastern flank, connecting the Black Sea, the Eastern Mediterranean, and the wider Middle East. The value of this aircraft to the Alliance will ultimately depend on demonstrated interoperability, enabled by secure communications, identification systems, tactical data exchange, cryptographic protection, mission planning, and common operational procedures.

It's doubtful that Turkey will ultimately roll out an aircraft that won't be integrated into NATO systems; that would be truly pointless. It will definitely be an aircraft that will not only be capable of performing joint missions with the air forces of other NATO countries but will also be of interest to those who can't afford the F-35.

Of course, even in the long term, things aren't clear-cut here. Fifth-generation compliance can't be judged solely by the airframe's shape, and the extent to which the KAAN can be considered a fifth-generation fighter will only be determined much later. Nevertheless, Turkey's ability to produce, maintain, and modernize a modern fighter under national control could strengthen NATO's industrial resilience by reducing the burden on combat aircraft production and maintenance.

NATO's Industrial Cooperation Strategy 2026 explicitly supports interoperability, scalable production, and partnerships, including joint design, joint development, joint production, and joint sustainment, which strengthen the Alliance and contribute to national sovereignty. At least, this is what numerous NATO resolutions state.

KAAN and F-35 as complementary elements of the Turkish Air Force



According to the Turkish military leadership, these successes should put an end to the habit of viewing Turkey's future air power as a choice between a national fighter and the F-35. Ankara continues to publicly pursue progress on the F-35 issue. During the NATO summit in Ankara in July 2026, Turkish authorities cited previous discussions and commitments from the United States and expressed confidence that the summit could lead to a favorable outcome.

If access is ultimately restored, NATO will be able to provide Turkey with a stealthy fighter, supported by advanced sensor integration, coalition interoperability, and a broad allied operational community. But only if the F-35 block is finally resolved, which, admittedly, is not yet in sight. However, Turkey has not given up hope.

The KAAN offers a different but complementary strategic advantage: a twin-engine combat aircraft whose configuration, indigenous weapons, electronic warfare development, mission data, and long-term modernization plan will increasingly be determined by Turkey.

A future force that will feature both platforms will be able to combine the F-35's mature, multinational ecosystem with the KAAN's sovereign development capability, while Turkish unmanned aerial vehicles will provide additional capabilities in reconnaissance, electronic warfare, countermeasures, and manned-unmanned interoperability.

KAAN does not weaken the strategic case for Turkey's participation in the F-35 program, but rather ensures that Ankara can achieve this goal by relying on its growing technological capabilities rather than by remaining dependent on a single external source.

Turkish Air Force's Expanded Capabilities: A Ponder



The KAAN P0 has proven that Turkey can fly a domestically developed combat aircraft. The P1 represents a more complex stage in transforming this achievement into a more sophisticated platform for aerodynamic optimization, sensor placement, and increasingly deeper integration with control systems. Not all elements visible on the prototype have been officially approved, and the P1 should not yet be considered the final production configuration. Nevertheless, the direction of development is clear. Through rigorous testing and the accumulated experience of Turkish engineers, technicians, and industrial partners, Turkey is building the infrastructure necessary to manage the entire lifecycle of a modern air force.

For NATO, these efforts mean a strengthened and technologically independent ally, and for Turkey, they mean that future cooperation on platforms like the F-35 can build on national capabilities, strategic confidence, and the irreversible growth of the Turkish aerospace industry.

Overall, with the KAAN project, Turkey is confidently establishing itself as a country capable of developing and building a modern combat aircraft from scratch. While it's still at the prototype stage, the journey is made possible by the will of the beholder. A country that just 30 years ago considered itself fortunate to license-assemble foreign aircraft, and now builds its own aircraft, is a different story.

It's not as if Turkey is just beginning; successful projects have already been launched. The TAI Hürkuş (Free Bird), a training aircraft that operates not only in Turkey but has also found its way into other countries, has been implemented in both normal and unmanned versions.


The TAI Hürjet, a supersonic trainer and light combat aircraft similar to the Yak-130, is intended to replace the Northrop T-38 Talon as a trainer and complement the F-16 Fighting Falcon for close air support. It is also planned to replace the Northrop F-5 used by the Turkish Stars aerobatic team, which is already a testament to its success. A domestic aerobatic team flying domestically produced aircraft is more than prestigious; it represents a level of excellence.


And not just airplanes, the TAI T929 ATAK 2—a heavy attack helicopter developed by Turkish Aerospace Industries and also scheduled to fly in 2023 (a golden age for Turkish aviation). A helicopter, a trainer, a supersonic combat trainer—yes, the only thing missing is the crowning glory: a proper combat aircraft.

Since the previous stages have been completed, there's a high probability that the KAAN will enter series production. This is both because a huge amount of work has already been done, and because the Turkish government's ambitions will not allow it to abandon the aircraft. Clearly, the political component plays a major role here. Turkey is eager to demonstrate its viability after the collapse of the F-35 deal, and it's entirely possible that this could happen.

And here Turkey has a virtually win-win situation: if the US agrees to provide the F-35, it will simply be integrated into the existing Air Force structure, fortunately, there are no problems with that. And the KAAN is no obstacle at all; the only question is which missions will be assigned to which aircraft. No – Turkey will quietly refine the KAAN and receive a modern aircraft for its Air Force that no one can use as a tool of pressure.

The development of its capabilities that Türkiye is demonstrating today is a cause for concern for many around the world, especially Turkey's NATO allies.
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  1. + 21
    26 August 2026 04: 46
    And whose engine is it? That's the most important thing. If it's American, what kind of sovereign aircraft are we talking about? It seems they have nowhere else to get one. As for making their own, I can't believe it. China isn't exactly successful, and it's not like it's suddenly becoming so, but its capabilities are orders of magnitude greater than those of the Ottoman Empire.
    1. +8
      26 August 2026 05: 46
      Quote: paul3390
      And whose engine is it? That's the most important thing. If it's American, what kind of sovereign aircraft are we talking about?
      The biggest obstacle for this newborn will be finding suitable engines, which will be a very, very difficult task. It's impossible to rely on imports forever, especially if Turkey has ambitious plans for mass exports to other countries...
      1. +3
        26 August 2026 10: 33
        Quote: Luminman
        The biggest obstacle for this newborn will be finding suitable engines, which will be a very, very difficult task. It's impossible to rely on imports forever, especially if Turkey has ambitious plans for mass exports to other countries...

        Yeah... just remember the Turkish Altay tank. The performance characteristics, according to the claims, are fantastic, the claims "Turkey makes it itself!" are a regular occurrence... and then the Deutschland Caliphate refuses to supply engines. Turkey's own engine is still in development. As a result, the tank had to be rescued by the Koreans.
    2. +1
      26 August 2026 08: 50
      Quote: paul3390
      And whose engine is it?

      There are reports that both aircraft are powered by American-made GE F-404 and F-110 engines, both developed in the late 70s but possibly modernized. The 404 powered the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk, and the 110 powered the F-14B. Nothing has been heard yet about the country's own aircraft engine-building school or its successes. Considering that modern American engines are equipped with manufacturer-provided monitoring instruments, it's entirely possible that they have been designed for "critical" situations.
      1. 0
        1 September 2026 22: 44
        There's no need for any back-up here. If the mattresses refuse to supply engines or service them, the KAAN will be lost far, far away...
    3. 0
      27 August 2026 00: 13
      The first stage will see the installation of American engines based on the F-16. Subsequently, either the Turkish engine, which is currently under development, or modified Eurofighter engines will be used as a backup.
      1. +1
        1 September 2026 22: 45
        So far, no country other than Russia, the US, Great Britain, and France is capable of developing modern turbojet engines. So all talk of Turkish turbojet engines remains just that. Even copying one is incredibly difficult—just look at the turbine blades alone...
    4. +2
      1 September 2026 22: 43
      The engines, as usual, are American. The Turks are raising their hand and claiming they'll make their own engine, but for now, as we know, only Russia, the US, France, and the UK can build modern turbojet engines from scratch.
      Apparently, the Turks were quietly raking in companies from all over Europe. And Indonesian money was still involved.
      But the project is highly questionable. Lacking their own engine, the Turks are heavily dependent on the US. And the Americans are keen to sell the monstrously expensive F-35, and will remove all obstacles to that end.
  2. +1
    26 August 2026 04: 52
    Leading aircraft manufacturers don't need this.
    The Americans are under the illusion that no one will come to their turf with the F16 and F35. The Europeans are being dumb (France won't supply them) and they don't have a 5th generation. So, Turkey is churning it out until they cut down on the technology.
    1. -1
      26 August 2026 16: 44
      The Turks can't make tanks or modern fighter jets.
      South Koreans can do it. So they copy what they do.
      But the Koreans don't have any problems with engines yet. The Turks do.
      1. +1
        26 August 2026 20: 16
        That's why they buy licenses...it's a healthy way to go.
        1. 0
          27 August 2026 00: 55
          In some ways, yes. They were counting on MTU engines for their tanks, but they didn't get them.
          Regarding the planes, they're American ones. But the issue is hanging. They have to make do.
          1. +2
            27 August 2026 06: 26
            They sold it to the Turks themselves. The refusal concerned export vehicles.
      2. +2
        1 September 2026 22: 51
        South Koreans can only make imitation tanks and fighter jets. They're simply taking advantage of the moment when demand for equipment is high and the Western military industry can't keep up. The Koreans also use American engines. They can't make their own. Only four countries can.
    2. 0
      1 September 2026 22: 50
      For the Turks, this is pure finger-pointing, like "they can do it too." Nothing more. Incidentally, the Americans are gradually replacing the F-16 with the F-35. It doesn't matter that the F-35 is inferior, but several times more expensive. Incidentally, there's another unexpected contender: the Super Hornet. While the F-16 is already obsolete, the Super Hornet remains the best American fighter, and no one is planning to abandon it.
      1. +1
        2 September 2026 11: 12
        No, you're wrong. The Turks have accumulated some expertise and technology (they have extensive experience in avionics, turbojet overhauls for the F16 and F35, and composite production for the F35), and they have access to Western suppliers. So this project is aimed at developing further expertise.
        And the F18 will last longer, because it's a deck-based aircraft...and the F35's development will take time.
        1. 0
          2 September 2026 12: 53
          Without a doubt, the Turks have accumulated a wealth of experience. But this isn't experience in creating a modern combat aircraft. Furthermore, this KAAN isn't even a "fifth generation." It only looks like a "fifth generation." The main problem—the lack of an indigenous engine—will also persist. Therefore, Turkey will remain dependent on foreign countries for its aviation needs.
          Despite all its shortcomings, more than 1345 F-35s have been produced. What development are you talking about? It's not a fighter, but a strike aircraft. It's in this capacity that it's being built to replace the F-16, which no longer has the capacity for modernization. And most importantly, American profiteers earn almost twice as much for each F-35 as for the F-16. And that's not counting maintenance.
          The F/A-18 was designed as a competitor to the F-16. And for many countries that don't have, and never will have, carrier-based aircraft (Malaysia, Finland, and Switzerland), it flies from airfields. In fact, the Super Hornet is currently the best American combat aircraft, and it hasn't exhausted all its potential. The F-35, for example, doesn't hold a candle to it. Therefore, the Super Hornet will continue to fly for a long time.
          1. +1
            2 September 2026 17: 29
            You're wrong, F35 is getting cheaper every year. It's already reached $85 ml. And it's the cheapest.
            1. 0
              2 September 2026 20: 34
              Is it really cheaper than the F-16 and F-18? I don't believe it!
              1. 0
                3 September 2026 09: 33
                Damn, the entire progressive world of aviation enthusiasts has been talking about this for 20 years.
                When I asked the same question on the Military Parity website, I was ceremoniously shot down. The F35 is a talented aircraft, with unique characteristics, and its price is declining every year, thanks to talented managers and marketers. If the F35 lacks some 5th-generation features, that's by design and not criticized.
                1. 0
                  3 September 2026 10: 24
                  Yeah, right... Initially, the F-35 was conceived at the end of the Cold War as a simple and inexpensive strike aircraft for the US and its allies. Another issue is that they simply can't get any cheaper. Everything military is constantly getting more expensive. And it's no surprise. The military-industrial mafia there keeps a tight grip on its trough. This isn't about the 5th generation. The F-35 is not a fighter, not even close. In short, it's been discussed many times, and all the conclusions have long been drawn. It's obvious that the Americans will eventually impose it on all their "allies," displacing the F-16 and, if possible, Russian aircraft.
                  1. 0
                    3 September 2026 10: 27
                    Besides, considering their main competitors, Russia and China, they weren't planning on introducing our 5th generation...and considering the enormous number of AWACS aircraft, the F35 is perfectly capable of handling the 4th generation. That's why the F22 program was put on hold.
                    1. 0
                      3 September 2026 10: 31
                      The F22 has a ton of problems. First, it's practically a pure fighter, but it performs poorly on the ground. It doesn't integrate into the combat network. It's incredibly expensive. They were designed to counter the Soviet fighter armadas. But those armadas ran out, so they started making the aircraft for neocolonial wars against countries that didn't have combat aviation.
                      The F35 hasn't been seen in aerial combat. Incidentally, the F15, F16, and F18 are still in service. And the F15 continues to be improved and produced.
                      1. 0
                        3 September 2026 10: 35
                        So, the F15 was extended first and foremost as a heavy fighter until the 6th generation.
                        What can't the F-35 handle? Considering Russia's actions against the 404? Only range compared to Russia's heavy fighters.
                      2. +1
                        3 September 2026 10: 40
                        It won't appear in the 404 at all. As far as I understand, they're being pushed onto something that's already obsolete and no longer needs them. "Testing" the F35 in such a difficult situation is extremely risky—any damaged aircraft would immediately damage the F35's marketing "reputation." Even the F16s don't come close to the front lines. And some F16s were, seriously, taken from museums.
                        Plus, it requires expensive on-site maintenance infrastructure, which would quickly be knocked out by Russian missiles and drones. And there are no targets for the F-35. Older aircraft can handle the launch of cruise missiles. And the F-35 is incapable of engaging in aerial combat against Su-25s.
                      3. 0
                        3 September 2026 10: 42
                        What will stop them from shooting at the external target control?
                      4. 0
                        3 September 2026 11: 22
                        The current air defense system is too dense, and now Gerani missiles have appeared. The F-35 doesn't carry long-range missiles. Medium-range missiles require target illumination, which means the F-35 exposes itself to Russian missiles for the duration of the illumination. No one is going to risk an AWACS aircraft for illumination. Sidewinders are the only option, but to use them, you'd have to get so close that you'd be shot down for sure.
                      5. +1
                        3 September 2026 11: 35
                        What if they're equal in number to us? One can illuminate, the others will fire. Their medium-range missiles are quite advanced...long-range ones are on their way.
                      6. +1
                        3 September 2026 11: 38
                        The F-35's payload is too small for long-range missiles. Regarding "equal numbers," we haven't seen any new equipment for the 404 yet. I think the Americans would rather send more F-35s to the Turks or some Poles than into the Ukrainian furnace, where they'll quickly burn up. If not in the air, then under ballistas and drones. The Americans know how to count their money.
                      7. 0
                        3 September 2026 11: 40
                        Long-range missiles adapted for the F35 bomb bay
                      8. 0
                        3 September 2026 11: 41
                        In any case, the economy isn't going anywhere. And it's the deciding factor here. If the war lasts another five years (alas), then perhaps...
  3. +4
    26 August 2026 04: 57
    Quote: Zaurbek
    The Americans are under the illusion that no one will come to their field with F16 and F35
    How can anyone not come? The Chinese fighters are fifth-generation, and there are already sixth-generation concepts. The Koreans are doing quite well at this too. The Turks are still a long way off, though they're doing well by trying to develop their own rather than buying foreign products.
    1. +2
      26 August 2026 20: 15
      The Turks aren't buying outside NATO yet. They're too financially tied up.
    2. +1
      1 September 2026 22: 54
      snow mountain
      We're talking about export opportunities. The Chinese aren't offering the 5th generation for export yet. They're making the J-20 for themselves, and it's not a very good aircraft. And the export-oriented J-35 will take a long time to refine. Therefore, the Chinese aren't yet competitors in the 5th generation. For now, they're supplying outdated equipment to poor countries, nothing more.
    3. 0
      2 September 2026 17: 31
      What US client with the cash would buy an I10? Look, the Turks bought one S400 division...let's see what happens. And the Turks, in terms of independence, aren't the EU.
  4. +5
    26 August 2026 04: 58
    Not a bad claim. If everything is truly domestic, the growth of industrial potential is impressive.
    1. +6
      26 August 2026 06: 47
      Quote: 123_123
      If everything is truly domestic, the growth of industrial potential is impressive
      It's unlikely they have everything indigenous. The engine, various alloys, electronics, and, finally, engineering experience—all of this is still close to zero. Take the Swedish Gripen, for example, where the engine, onboard electronics, and ejection system are manufactured by foreign companies, which is a significant dependence on component supplies. Let me remind you that Sweden is considered a highly industrialized country, which cannot be said of Turkey.
      1. +1
        1 September 2026 22: 55
        A glider, and even electronics, are no problem to make now. But an engine and many other things—not everyone can do them anymore.
        1. 0
          2 September 2026 17: 33
          Yes, everything is a problem. Look at how Russia makes the Il-112 or the Baikal or the Tu-214 and the MS-21. These aren't fighters.
          1. 0
            2 September 2026 20: 36
            The problem isn't that we can't make airplanes. That's not the problem. Some people just really don't want to.
            1. +2
              3 September 2026 06: 45
              I'm afraid that many areas have lost their competencies.
              1. 0
                3 September 2026 08: 49
                The main lost skill is management—the management of large industrial projects. Everything else will follow.
                1. +1
                  3 September 2026 09: 29
                  Not only that. Take the Il-112 for example. A banal airplane (in terms of the fuselage).
                  And it was there (not only there) that things went wrong.
                  In one project, both in the theater of operations and in the fuselage and in terms...
                  Il-114 – fuselage and wing from the USSR...
                  1. 0
                    3 September 2026 09: 31
                    Well, they still haven't put the Baikal into production. It would seem that if there are problems with such a simple aircraft, what can we say about something bigger and more complex?
                    1. 0
                      3 September 2026 09: 36
                      That's exactly what I'm talking about. Every project is lobbied for and against... As a result, the Il-114 could have been flying since the early 2000s, and the An-140 took its place.
                      Leftist articles are regularly published against the same Baikal.
                      1. 0
                        3 September 2026 10: 26
                        Baikal's main problem is that it just won't go into production. There's no alternative anyway. The An-2s have long since reached the end of their service life.
                        The An-140 is a strange situation. The aircraft was developed in Ukraine, with all the attendant problems...
                  2. -1
                    3 September 2026 09: 35
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    Not only that. Take the Il-112 for example. A banal airplane (in terms of the fuselage).
                    And it was there (not only there) that things went wrong.

                    It's from that series: "Can you do seven hats?"... They inflated the fuselage into a behemoth and reduced the wings, hoping for the Coanda effect... and when one engine failed, it immediately somersaulted... We will never know the exact cause of the disaster, which the aircraft's designers tried to blame on a bad engine, since it is a disgrace to the domestic school of aircraft construction.
                    1. +1
                      3 September 2026 09: 38
                      I disagree. A bulged fuselage is the norm for a modern vehicle. It depends on the cargo characteristics.
                      1. -1
                        3 September 2026 09: 54
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        I disagree. A bulged fuselage is the norm for a modern vehicle. It depends on the cargo characteristics.

                        Similar aircraft with similar fuselage dimensions, such as the Alenia C-27 Spartan, an American-Italian military transport aircraft, have a wingspan 1,5 meters greater and a wing area 17 square meters greater!!! But their engine power is also one and a half times greater... Our talented aircraft were downsizing... Of course, the engines are to blame, but otherwise, it's normal. The Il could only fly empty, and even then it crashed. Why the pilots didn't refuse to fly it, I don't know.
                      2. +1
                        3 September 2026 09: 59
                        That's what I wrote. Look at the Il-114 launch dates and what's happening with the Il-112 (and it's just as necessary). This is with the unification of the theater of operations and avionics.
  5. +6
    26 August 2026 05: 34
    Do any of my esteemed colleagues know the authenticity of Turkey's progress in developing this fighter? Is it all just marketing and hype, or have they truly achieved impressive success in developing fifth-generation fighters, which could lead to their future mass production?
    1. +3
      26 August 2026 08: 51
      Quote: Luminman
      …marketing and hype, or they have actually made impressive progress in developing fifth-generation fighters
      Although this is accompanied by a PR campaign in the style Turkish bazaar, but this is a decent attempt at a fighter with 5th-generation architecture; what they will ultimately come up with will be seen later. The main 'but': - P0/P1/P2 and the first production aircraft, already ordered, use the American General Electric F110. The US authorized the delivery of another 80 F110 engines in 2026 for the initial stage of production. Turkey is developing its own TF35000, which should become the KAAN engine around 2032. Engine development takes 10-12 years: if they solve this issue, then they will undoubtedly be beauties. I suspect that former Motorsich engines were involved; apparently, the Chinese didn't manage to lure everyone away.
      1. +2
        27 August 2026 00: 15
        The Turks also have a variant with a modified Eurofighter engine in reserve - there is an agreement on this.
        1. +1
          27 August 2026 00: 27
          Quote from solar
          The Turks also have a variant with a modified Eurofighter engine in reserve - there is an agreement on this.
          This is definitely not theirs. I'd like to believe the Turks have learned their lessons. joining Europe...
          1. +1
            27 August 2026 00: 36
            They have a special relationship with the British—there's a government resolution giving British companies complete carte blanche to participate in the development of the Turkish fighter. The British are trying to gain experience in this area so they can jump straight to the sixth generation, skipping the fifth, which they skipped.
            1. +1
              27 August 2026 01: 14
              Quote from solar
              They have a special relationship with the British - there is a government resolution that gives British firms...
              It's like a drawbar - wherever you turn it, that's where it goes. It's a smart idea, though - straight to sixth. Although it seems to me the Turks can't help the Brits with much, except perhaps serve as a technological testing ground. And I'd be genuinely surprised if the Brits shared their promising engine developments - that's their sacred, so to speak... only for money. In this case, for a very large amount.
              1. +1
                27 August 2026 20: 33
                As far as I understand, the British, working with the Turks, are seeking to develop technical and technological expertise with Turkish funding for the further development of the next generation, rather than building the fifth generation themselves. They want to advance the fifth generation stage together with the Turks, without building their own aircraft.
                1. +1
                  27 August 2026 22: 05
                  Quote from solar
                  As far as I understand, the British...
                  You may well be right. If I were the Turks, I would definitely keep everything under control and on my own territory. ..there are no eternal enemies or friends. Only the interests of the Crown… , how will things turn out tomorrow?
                  1. +1
                    27 August 2026 22: 09
                    In principle, the British don't need Turkish secrets so much as they need to develop their own 5th-generation capabilities. And to this end, they are willing to participate in Turkish developments.
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                      28 August 2026 02: 07
                      Quote from solar
                      In principle, the British don't need Turkish secrets so much as the development of their own competencies...
                      I think so, but the Turks probably don't have any secrets that would be of interest to the British. It's just the way it is: they might have ideas, but they probably don't have any interesting technologies. The British would be happy to take advantage of the opportunities provided, but the interesting ones will be dragged to the island.
                      The Turks have made great progress in the last decade, but there are technologies that take generations to develop, such as materials science.
                      I'll be interested to see what happens and to what extent. independentThe serial KAAN will be released
                      1. +1
                        1 September 2026 00: 26
                        I think so, but the Turks most likely don’t have any secrets that would be interesting to the British.

                        No, only the British are interested in the very possibility of working on such a project to gain experience; the Turks are still funding it.
      2. +1
        1 September 2026 22: 58
        Motorsich has never made fighter jet engines. So it's a no-go. And the Turks won't make one in 10-15 years. The Chinese can't even make an engine, let alone the Turks...
        This is purely a demonstrator of "what we can do too"
        1. 0
          2 September 2026 00: 34
          Quote: futurohunter
          Motorsich never made engines for fighter jets.
          That's true, but the Turks didn't even have that level. And if the Motorsich people are there, that's a significant boost.
          If the Chinese are to be believed, the latest batches of J-20 and J-10 are already equipped with Chinese engines. Some claim they're no less advanced than American or Russian ones. I'd probably even agree about the FADEC, but we probably won't know about the service life anytime soon.
          1. +1
            2 September 2026 01: 24
            No help at all. At most, engines for helicopters, cruise missiles, and training aircraft like the L-39. But they're incapable of making an engine for a modern fighter.

            The latest batches of J-20 and J-10 fighters are already equipped with Chinese engines. Some claim they are no less advanced than American or Russian ones.
            These engines are clones of older Russian engines. Everything else is just rumor. Time will tell.
    2. 0
      1 September 2026 22: 56
      For now and for many years to come, it's just a showpiece. It's nowhere near the Indian Tejas, which is a complete disappointment.
  6. +3
    26 August 2026 06: 24
    We need to think deeply about Turkey and the direction it's heading. The specter of the Ottoman Empire is increasingly becoming a tangible reality. We're essentially facing a Crimean War 2.0 between Ukraine, NATO, and Russia. Turkey could actually escalate its actions by directly engaging in combat, as it did in the first Crimean War. It's unclear why it didn't enter WWII on Germany's side. It took too long to figure everything out, just like Japan. Only our victories at Moscow and Stalingrad stopped them. soldier
    1. +2
      1 September 2026 23: 02
      You probably don't know that, starting in the 18th century, the Ottoman Empire began to bend heavily to the European powers, to the point that it was nicknamed "the sick man of Europe." Now, it's simply a southern NATO outpost, nothing more. The Turks can bend their fingers as much as they want, but they're only capable of fighting Greeks and Cypriots.
      Türkiye didn't join WWII because it didn't have the strength, and it didn't need to—it had enough of its own internal problems. But it successfully sucked up both the Allies and Germany.
  7. +4
    26 August 2026 10: 13
    So what? Where does NATO have anything to think about here?
    The Turks make their own aircraft, the Japanese, Koreans, Europeans, the British, etc.
    Producing all the equipment themselves? Unlikely. They'll order it from others, meaning the partners will also benefit and profit.

    That is, everyone is happy, everyone is covering for each other, other smaller countries can buy from the producers (or suffer from bombing, as it turns out)

    Something else is important.
    1) The global arms race has begun. The HPP has finally shown its worth. The 3000 Armat, Terminator, and Checkmate didn't really do much to push things forward.
    2) many countries began to develop and produce their own weapons, while previously they purchased them from several centers (the USA, Europe, Russia, or the Warsaw Pact)
    3) a lot of people are now calling for pressing the red button faster....
  8. 0
    26 August 2026 10: 41
    The aircraft's export potential will be limited by American licensing of the engine.
    1. 0
      27 August 2026 00: 17
      American is used only at the first stage, when concepts are being developed. Then, either your own or European
  9. +5
    26 August 2026 11: 04
    The air intake protrusions are deeper and smoothly transition into the fuselage fins.

    Someone could translate this into Russian, right? The fuselage vertical stabilizers and vertical stabilizers immediately reveal the author's level to anyone who understands the subject. sad
  10. 0
    27 August 2026 00: 10
    While many components are still under development, the aircraft demonstrates Turkey's growing ability to develop and improve combat aircraft domestically.

    The British are quite actively involved in the development; they see this as a step towards a 6th generation aircraft.
    1. +1
      1 September 2026 23: 04
      Yeah, right! Maybe even on the 7th? Where is the British aviation industry anyway? When was the last time they developed an airplane themselves? You guys like to believe in fairy tales. And Erdogan is such a storyteller...
      1. 0
        2 September 2026 13: 32
        When was the last time they developed an airplane themselves?

        Eurofighter 4,5 generation. Why would they need one on their own when they can be part of a coalition?
        1. +1
          2 September 2026 13: 36
          That's the point, they didn't do it themselves! The last one they developed independently was apparently the Harrier. And the British have long since lost their innocence, pardon me... sovereignty. They can't do anything on their own anymore.
          1. 0
            2 September 2026 13: 44
            But they don't need it. They have allies who are good for that. They need a taxi, not a checkered flag.
            1. 0
              2 September 2026 13: 47
              And they don't have their own taxis anymore. They've been going to their foreign master to bow down for a long time. And their foreign master even tells them: you won't take this route, but another one. And they just twist their fingers, like, "We choose our own routes." And for a long time now, instead of taxis, they've been driven on official buses.