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"Governor" will still live

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"Governor" will still liveAs Interfax reported, the scheduled extension of the service life of the RS-20 Voyevoda complexes (according to the NATO classification SS-18) of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) caused some concern in Ukraine. According to a high-ranking Ukrainian military source, Russian events will require the provision of the necessary legal framework. “Considering the plans announced by the Russian side to extend the life of the PC-20 complex, to ensure that these works are carried out on a legal basis, the Russian Federation and Ukraine need to extend the validity of the bilateral Ukrainian-Russian intergovernmental agreement from 2006 on the 15P118M complex (PC missile launchers 20. - “NVO”). The agreement expired in 2012 year, ”said the agency interlocutor.


Under the agreement, the work on the extension of the service life has the right to perform exclusively the lead developer and manufacturer of strategic missiles. RC 15P118М was developed by Yuzhnoye GKB named after M.K. Yangel and was mass-produced at PA “South Machine-Building Plant named after A.M. Makarova "(Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine). The warranty period of operation of the Republic of Kazakhstan, adopted by the Strategic Missile Forces during the period 1988 – 1992, is 15 years. Plans to extend the warranty period of the RS-2022 "Voevoda" to the 20, which are in service of the Strategic Missile Forces, were announced by the command of the branch of the military at the end of 2012. However, according to data from open sources, a new heavy liquid-propellant rocket is currently being developed in Russia, which should replace the PC-20.
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  1. pa_nik
    pa_nik 31 May 2013 10: 43
    12
    It seems that to the maximum it is necessary to use the existing resource created by the great USSR, otherwise the Shtatovs are already plagued, as if to rearm us. lol
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 31 May 2013 10: 54
      +6
      It is gratifying that a new rocket is being created, if there is an info share, the parameters are interesting.
      1. Jin
        Jin 31 May 2013 11: 10
        +1
        ShturmKGB
        It is gratifying that a new rocket is being created, if there is an info share, the parameters are interesting.


        Colleague, there was an article about her in VO. And you can find it on the network, naturally infa only in general terms reveals the topic, because it is secret.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 31 May 2013 11: 29
          +6
          “Considering the plans announced by the Russian side to extend the life of the RS-20 complex, in order to ensure that these works are carried out on a legal basis, the Russian Federation and Ukraine must extend the terms of the bilateral Ukrainian-Russian intergovernmental agreement of 2006 on the 15P118M complex (launchers of the RS-20 heavy missile complex -2012. - "NVO"). The agreement expired in XNUMX ", - said the interlocutor of the agency."

          The brothers will have an occasion to rest and bargain. smile
          1. edge
            edge 31 May 2013 13: 12
            +6
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Vladimir today, 11:29 ↑ New

            "Taking into account the plans announced by the Russian side to extend the service life of the RS-20 complex, in order to ensure that these works are carried out on a legal basis, the Russian Federation and Ukraine must extend the terms of the bilateral Ukrainian-Russian intergovernmental agreement of 2006 on the 15P118M complex (launchers of the RS -20. - "NVO"). The agreement expired in 2012 ", - said the interlocutor of the agency.

            yeah, they are concerned about intellectual property, they want to cut down the dough; and when they took the Zubrov project away from us and sold it to the Chinas, then nothing ... piss in their eyes, they will say God's dew (the legacy of the pshek)
            1. roial
              roial 31 May 2013 14: 27
              -5
              I want to remind you that at one time you also wanted to cut down money from us for the repair of Mi-24 and -8 helicopters
              so we are not the first not you are the last.
              And on the brush of the Soviet small landing hovercraft of Project 12322 Zubr, Ukraine has the same right to it as Russia.
              And who prevented you from selling them to China ??? Patriotic feelings ?? Yes, do not tell, they simply did not agree on the price.
              1. astra
                astra 31 May 2013 15: 28
                +3
                If we are working together on Voevoda, why not resume the production of BZHRK together?
          2. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 31 May 2013 14: 02
            0
            Quote: Vladimirets

            The brothers will have an occasion to rest and bargain. smile

            Brothers in this matter, never haggled and did not show off. Neither for Kravchuk, nor for Kuchma, nor for Yushchenko, for Yanek I am silent. Everything was done without question, so do not say nonsense.
          3. pensioner
            pensioner 31 May 2013 15: 25
            0
            Quote: Vladimirets
            The brothers will have an occasion to rest and bargain.


            And after all, what is the paradox of democracy, is that such things can be done by people TOTALLY not understanding the essence of the matter (such as Reagan and nicknames, or even worse), brought to power by electoral systems even by accident, too.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 31 May 2013 11: 38
          0
          Quote: Jin
          Colleague, there was an article about her in VO.

          Judging by that article, the total capacity in megatons after the replacement of the Voevoda will be halved.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 31 May 2013 11: 49
            +9
            More power was needed only because the missiles did not provide the required accuracy of the hit. Now, the error is no more than 100 meters. So you can reduce the charge power, and at the same time increase their security and quantity.
            1. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 31 May 2013 14: 06
              -1
              Quote: Wedmak
              More power was needed only because the missiles did not provide the required accuracy of the hit. Now, the error is no more than 100 meters. So you can reduce the charge power, and at the same time increase their security and quantity.

              And with what accuracy is provided? On the firing range, there are no questions. God forbid, some sort of mess, the open question is how the guidance system will behave when massively applied on both sides?
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 31 May 2013 14: 27
                0
                an open question: how will the guidance system behave in mass application on both sides?

                In the sense of how to lead? At the final stage of the trajectory, it is impossible to bring down warheads. So that Americans do not weave with their interceptors. And we also have maneuvering units, i.e. all figs get. The rocket is protected from an air and space nuclear explosion, the designers are not fools. The accuracy of the hit was explained more by the imperfection of the calculations than by external interference.
                1. Vovka levka
                  Vovka levka 31 May 2013 17: 54
                  -1
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  an open question: how will the guidance system behave in mass application on both sides?

                  In the sense of how to lead? At the final stage of the trajectory, it is impossible to bring down warheads. So that Americans do not weave with their interceptors. And we also have maneuvering units, i.e. all figs get. The rocket is protected from an air and space nuclear explosion, the designers are not fools. The accuracy of the hit was explained more by the imperfection of the calculations than by external interference.

                  And what about missile defense? And for some purposes, accuracy is needed. And whether it is achieved, with mass application, is a debatable question.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 31 May 2013 18: 13
                    0
                    And for some purposes, accuracy is needed. And whether it is achieved, with mass application, is a debatable question.

                    You know, warheads with a power of 50 Kt somehow do not matter if it hits 100 meters to the left or right.
                    I do not quite understand why you doubt whether the required accuracy will be achieved? Especially with mass application. If you do not get knocked down where it is possible, then practically nothing can be done. Even an airborne nuclear explosion along the path of warhead reduction can do little.
                    1. Vovka levka
                      Vovka levka 31 May 2013 19: 44
                      0
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      And for some purposes, accuracy is needed. And whether it is achieved, with mass application, is a debatable question.

                      You know, warheads with a power of 50 Kt somehow do not matter if it hits 100 meters to the left or right.
                      I do not quite understand why you doubt whether the required accuracy will be achieved? Especially with mass application. If you do not get knocked down where it is possible, then practically nothing can be done. Even an airborne nuclear explosion along the path of warhead reduction can do little.

                      If there is a deviation of 100 meters, then there are no questions. But I think it will be many times more.
                      1. old man54
                        old man54 1 June 2013 01: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Vovka Levka

                        If there is a deviation of 100 meters, then there are no questions. But I think it will be many times more.

                        you are wrong! This BR parameter is calculated, checked repeatedly by practical firing at the range, and there is no reason to believe that in reality the rocket will fly "where God will send"! a technical failure of the trajectory correction equipment is possible of course, but unlikely!
                  2. tungus
                    tungus 31 May 2013 18: 26
                    +1
                    A high coefficient of probable deviation is compensated by the power of the charge. If a hundred kiloton warhead explodes in 50 meters from the target, and a megaton warhead in 500 meters, the effect will be the same. Well, if you need a warhead to fly into the window, then there are cruise missiles on it.
                  3. old man54
                    old man54 1 June 2013 01: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Vovka Levka
                    And for some purposes, accuracy is needed. And whether it is achieved, with mass application, is a debatable question.

                    CVO (circular probabilistic deviation) from the aiming point is a very important and necessary characteristic of ICBMs. The topic when they hit the squares with KVO BR in 10km left forever! To destroy a heavily protected command post you need a good QUO! To destroy the silos of amers, you need a good KVO (within 100 m)! Warehouses for storage of nuclear weapons - QUO! Base submarine and NK - KVO!
                    And why then in small arms such characteristics as aiming range, accuracy of fire and so on, what do you think? Read the history of the combat use of the FAU-2 and you will understand a lot!
          2. edge
            edge 31 May 2013 13: 20
            +1
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Judging by that article, the total capacity in megatons after the replacement of the "Voevoda" will be halved

            to turn the Earth into the moon, a warhead of 250 megatons is enough, under Khrushchev they tested, they barely stopped the catastrophe; but they wanted to explode at first 500 megatons. So, 150 megatons in the airspace of the United States should also be pulled by the khan. Even it is not necessary to hit ground targets with enough height 25 Km
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 31 May 2013 13: 31
              +1
              for turning Earth into a moon, warheads of 250 megatons are enough, under Khrushchev they tested, they barely stopped the catastrophe; but they wanted to explode 500 megatons first.

              They wanted to test a thermonuclear bomb on 100 megatons, but they were afraid of strong destruction and contamination of the area and halved their power. However, the calculation was not entirely correct and as a result the explosion was 58 MT.
              So that 150 megatons in the airspace of the United States to explode and im Khan

              And also another half of the planet, due to dust and radioactive contamination.
              1. old man54
                old man54 1 June 2013 01: 12
                0
                but already 58 mt rushed, and nothing! Or what? (from your own words)
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 1 June 2013 19: 19
                  0
                  Well, nothing ... everything seems to have evaporated within a radius of 5 km. And the place is ...
                  In general, if 58 MT is nothing, it does not mean that 60 MT is also nothing ... What do we know about the processes on the planet and under its crust? Very little. But what is under the bark and how it works is generally crumbs.
                  Who can guarantee that a nuclear explosion at the junction of lithospheric plates does not impart reverse movement to them? And open a giant canyon a couple of tens of kilometers in depth? Or activates a chain of volcanoes? So .. it’s better not to joke with such things.
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 3 June 2013 01: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    What do we know about processes on the planet and under its crust? Very little. But what is under the bark and how it works is generally crumbs.
                    Who can guarantee that a nuclear explosion at the junction of lithospheric plates does not impart reverse movement to them? And open a giant canyon a couple of tens of kilometers in depth? Or activates a chain of volcanoes? So .. it’s better not to joke with such things.

                    5 Kt tactical nuclear warheads in the Yellowstone Reserve and there are no states ....
      2. Nitup
        Nitup 31 May 2013 12: 18
        0
        There will be no new heavy liquid rocket. These are old plans. It was decided to limit ourselves to outline design. There will be a new solid fuel based on Yars. It will be in the mine and in the mobile version.
        1. tungus
          tungus 31 May 2013 18: 29
          0
          Where does infa come from?
  2. JonnyT
    JonnyT 31 May 2013 10: 47
    +5
    yes it’s a sin to lose such a thing! States with their paler look
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 31 May 2013 13: 02
      +1
      Whether it is paler or not, it doesn’t matter ... they, like us, have enough of them to erase both the states and us from the face of the earth. And the interception of all these missiles is also a bluff ... So no matter how pale they look, we will have to reckon with them. Otherwise, the northern fox will come running ... and to all at once
      P.S. The news is good - without nuclear weapons Russia would probably not have been
  3. avant-garde
    avant-garde 31 May 2013 10: 48
    +5
    This is in the photo, as I understand it, the RS-20 rises in the USA? wink
  4. dimon-media
    dimon-media 31 May 2013 10: 54
    +6
    15 years warranty only (consider operation). We do not throw household appliances out of the house at the end of the warranty period. Well, something, but a high-class and reliable weapon of the USSR knew how and could. For me, it seems that the resource of this complex is practically unlimited. I won’t be happy if he can carry out combat duty until the middle of the 21st century. The fact that a new rocket is being prepared to replace this RS-20 is absolutely correct. Stop pulling the cat by the balls. We lost a lot of time to the joy of our "partners". But there is still time to create and experience. Maybe you still have to "comb out fleas" like from "Bulava". Where without it .. It does not happen.
  5. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 31 May 2013 11: 02
    +4
    Good Friends! The complex is excellent, the margin for extending the service life is also impressive! "Voivoda" and precisely the voivode, and the name of the missile, according to NATO opinion, is not indicated correctly in the article! Long years of service!
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 31 May 2013 11: 08
    +8
    caused some concern in Ukraine. According to a senior Ukrainian military source, Russian events will require providing the necessary legal framework

    Calm down my paranoia, did I hear, or did the Ukrainian state hope for an early cutting of this complex into pins? And the word "concern" smells like a state mattress ...
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 31 May 2013 11: 13
      +1
      So I thought about the same .. what is the concern in Ukraine connected with?
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 31 May 2013 11: 47
        +6
        Yes, the smell of grandmothers, so they began to stir. My lifelong dream is to modernize our missiles. Like "we" developed and modernized for us.
      2. edge
        edge 31 May 2013 13: 25
        0
        Quote: dimon-media
        So I thought about the same .. what is the concern in Ukraine connected with?

        type in our territory produced, therefore ours, give the loot laughing
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 31 May 2013 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      Ukrainian state hoped for an early cutting of this complex into pins?

      Just lads of pennies want. And who does not want? But not everyone is given.

      Here the refrigerator has worked for me - 10 years - and it works further. And then they suddenly come to me from Eurolux, they say, drive the grandmother on a legal basis for an extended service life. Who can tell you the address to which they should be sent?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 31 May 2013 11: 28
        0
        Just lads of pennies want.

        Um. By the way, I don’t know, the rockets are with us, the developer in Ukraine - do we pay them anything at all? For those. support (and where are the drawings of a complex interesting?), for spare parts, I don’t know there ...?
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 31 May 2013 15: 33
      +1
      Calm down. They have been concerned since the day of independence. When it comes from the Ukrainian authorities (in our direction), any adjective should be replaced with "concerned", and the noun with "concern". When in the direction of the states - on "as you say" and "I'm already running."
  7. Hort
    Hort 31 May 2013 11: 13
    0
    well, good news
  8. seller trucks
    seller trucks 31 May 2013 11: 18
    +4
    By agreement, the extension of the life of the product is exclusively authorized by the lead developer and manufacturer of strategic missiles. RK 15П118М was developed by GKB Yuzhnoye named after M.K. Yangel and mass-produced at the software "Southern Machine-Building Plant named after A.M. Makarova ”(Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine).


    Bingo! and Ukrainians go on another erotic journey.

    The "bomb" in the relationship, quite obviously, was laid back in the spring of 2009, when Serious misunderstandings arose in the relations between Ukrainian and Russian defenders regarding the modernization of attack helicopters Mi-24. The developer of this helicopter, Moscow Design Bureau. Milya refused to sign an agreement to accompany these works, which are being conducted at Aviakon Konotop aircraft repair plant. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, which was the customer of the modernization, in turn stated that helicopters would fly without Russian permission.
    We are talking about the Ukrainian project for the modernization of the Mi-24, developed in 2008 with the participation of the French company Sagem Defense Security and Motor Sich OJSC. This variant - Mi-24P - is equipped with the same TV3-117VMA-SBM1V engine manufactured by Motor Sich JSC, and is equipped with avionics of the French company Sagem. According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense, the modernization was carried out on 50 helicopters of the army aviation of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    The story itself began a little earlier, in February 2009, when the Russian Foreign Ministry sent a note to the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in which it notified him of the inadmissibility of work on the modernization of the Mi-24 carried out at the Ukrainian Aviakon. Director of the development and procurement of weapons and military equipment MOU Vladimir Grek then said: “In principle, we have no right to modernize this helicopter without the consent of the developer, but this rule does not apply to the property of the Ministry of Defense. In addition, during the Union, Ukraine contributed to the creation of this machine by creating an engine for it, and therefore has its share of rights to the Mi-24. ” In general, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine said that the Russians are not able to ban the operation of the updated Mi-24 in the sky of Ukraine.

    http://ric.ua/index.php?newsid=1492
  9. SCS
    SCS 31 May 2013 11: 19
    0
    all this is certainly good! but you need to develop and adopt new missiles of this class as soon as possible!
    After all, it’s not in vain that the developer establishes warranty periods ... of course, he (the term) was installed with a decent margin, but ... but the materials and parts have their own shelf life, as well as the shelf life in the product! therefore, it is necessary not just extension, but a set of measures and tests to confirm the perfect operation of the product as a whole. because (as was said above about household appliances) this is a military missile, and not household appliances ....
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 31 May 2013 13: 28
      +2
      Quote: SCS
      therefore, it is necessary not just extension, but a set of measures and tests to confirm the perfect operation of the product as a whole.

      And the former manufacturer still has specialists who are able to do it efficiently? Or is there only the name and seal left, which is attached to the renewal document? It is from this that one should proceed. And then these "young talents" are going to check it ... what
      1. Kars
        Kars 31 May 2013 13: 33
        +2
        Quote: Misantrop
        But did the former manufacturer have specialists who were able to do this efficiently?

        These former manufacturers are constantly servicing ICBMs and receive $ 20 million a year. At least until 2012 inclusive.

        The Russian Federation and Ukraine need to extend the validity of the bilateral Ukrainian-Russian intergovernmental agreement from 2006 on the 15P118M complex (launchers of the RS-20 heavy missile complex. - NVO). The agreement expired in 2012. "
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 31 May 2013 13: 41
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          These former manufacturers are constantly servicing ICBMs.

          How much they receive is the business of the contracting parties. If the quality of work and prices are satisfied, then for the state of the complex it is better that those who know how to continue to work. Otherwise, from penny savings (new contractors will also not work for free, but whether they will be able to) ditch the sensible complex
          1. Kars
            Kars 31 May 2013 13: 45
            +1
            )))))))))))))) you already turned the other way. But in fact, CB Yuzhny continued routine maintenance.

            And below is the uncounted Sea Launch --- just such a writer, Arians and so on fall at least as different Phobos-soils stop listening.
      2. SCS
        SCS 31 May 2013 13: 41
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        But did the former manufacturer have specialists who were able to do this efficiently?

        Yes, it's not the former manufacturer! we have enough of our enterprises, which probably carried out these checks !!!!
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 31 May 2013 14: 05
          0
          Quote: SCS
          we have enough of our enterprises, which probably carried out these checks !!!!
          Damn, is it really so difficult to read exactly what is written. And do not speculate on your own. Specify precisely those who are responsible for technical condition of the complex in the troopsWHO and HOW actually conducts regulations. They surely know who works and who simply puts signatures. Focusing on IT, and not on the financial or political component. And to decide on the basis of this request
      3. pensioner
        pensioner 31 May 2013 15: 39
        0
        WOW! I also immediately thought about it. He can already check everything on his own. We’ll check it ourselves no worse. And it will answer to whom, if that ... And then the thing is very serious. And what for do we need someone else here? Moreover, such unpredictable Ukrainian authorities.
  10. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 31 May 2013 11: 19
    +2
    Good, you bastard!
  11. V. Ushakov
    V. Ushakov 31 May 2013 11: 21
    +5
    If there is all the technical documentation for this product of the military-industrial complex of the USSR in Russia, it is necessary to begin to carry out all the maintenance operations, and possibly the assembly of the "Voevoda" in your country. There will be no "concern" about this Ukrainian Galician politicians. We should not be "tied" to not very, to put it mildly, reliable partners from the former Soviet "Republics". The core of the country is the Russian Federation. The rest - as they want. If they want - they will help to strengthen the defense - of Russia and their own, if they do not want - let them not interfere. All such "hindrances" should be ignored and eliminated.
  12. Vanek
    Vanek 31 May 2013 11: 23
    +2
    Russia is currently developing a new heavy liquid rocket, which should replace PC-20

    A good cook will find seasoning for everything.
  13. Suhov
    Suhov 31 May 2013 11: 33
    +4
    As Interfax reported, the planned extension of the operational life of the RS-20 Voyevoda systems (NATO classification SS-18) of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces (Strategic Rocket Forces) caused some concern in Ukraine. According to a senior Ukrainian military source, Russian events will require providing the necessary legal framework.
    “Given the plans voiced by the Russian side to extend the life of the RS-20 complex, to ensure that these works are carried out on a legal basis, the Russian Federation and Ukraine need to extend bilateral Ukrainian-Russian intergovernmental agreement from 2006 on the 15P118M complex (launchers of the RS-20 heavy missile complex. - NVO). The agreement expired in 2012, " - noted the interlocutor of the agency.

    I translate into Russian:
    Give me money!
    Give me money!
    .........
    Give me money!
    wassat
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 31 May 2013 11: 40
      +1
      ... and huh hu not ho ho? laughing
    2. roial
      roial 31 May 2013 12: 27
      -13 qualifying.
      That for God's sake, you can - the flag in your hands. But judging by how your mace flies, it's unlikely.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 31 May 2013 12: 37
        +1
        And how does our mace fly?
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 3 June 2013 01: 42
          0
          Quote: Nitup
          And how does our mace fly?

          Well, there is also "Sineva" ...
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 31 May 2013 12: 38
        +6
        Our Mace already flies beautifully and according to the test results has already gone into series. So, I think, if necessary, we can.
        Guys, before sorting out a neighbor’s fault, understand yourself.
        1. roial
          roial 31 May 2013 13: 05
          -4
          Well, yes, it flies somewhere in the sea.
          If we assume that approximately 50% of the launches were unsuccessful, and the reasons for the failures are the insufficient quality of components and the assembly of the missiles themselves, well then stamp)).
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 31 May 2013 13: 15
            +6
            Be sure to stamp. Have you counted many successful launches of new ICBMs created by the same Americans?
            And how much did YOU create yourself after gaining independence?
            1. MG42
              MG42 31 May 2013 23: 16
              +2
              Quote: Wedmak
              Have you counted many successful launches of new ICBMs created by the same Americans? And how much did YOU create yourself after gaining independence?

              Ukraine refused nuclear weapons, in exchange for third-party security guarantees, although it had a second nuclear potential after Russia in the post-Soviet space ..
              Interesting video of the times of the beginning of Independence >>
              In October 1993, a missile silo was "solemnly" blown up. The event was held in accordance with the agreement concluded by Ukraine with Russia and the United States. US Senator Richard Lugar specially arrived for this event.
      3. edge
        edge 31 May 2013 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: roial
        That for God's sake, you can - the flag in your hands. But judging by how your mace flies, it’s unlikely

        everything flies with us, the directive will be and the bast shoes will fly better than mirages, and here you have it ... only greed takes off, everything else sat down or fell at 5.30
  14. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 31 May 2013 11: 41
    +2
    Star-striped from this news stomach ache! belay
  15. Zubr
    Zubr 31 May 2013 12: 01
    +3
    Quote: B_KypTke
    Good, you bastard!


    BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT .... WE CAN WHEN WANTED.
    1. roial
      roial 31 May 2013 12: 24
      -5
      Well, actually you can’t. The rocket was created in the USSR.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 31 May 2013 13: 34
        0
        Quote: roial
        The rocket was created in the USSR

        "Voevoda" did the fighters for independence? In a stash on your knee? Or is it in the USSR? And how much is left of that legacy now? Judging by the results of the Sea Launch program - not particularly. So there isn't much to be proud of either, alas ... request
  16. pinecone
    pinecone 31 May 2013 12: 31
    +2
    Let it cost as much as it can. For fear of enemies. No wonder she was nicknamed "Satan" in NATO. Pidagogues are afraid of it.
  17. Sirs
    Sirs 31 May 2013 12: 34
    0
    It is necessary to take all the technologies from Ukraine faster and develop our own, otherwise everything we order from them is all info and documentation from NATO. (spare parts for these missiles and more)
    1. roial
      roial 31 May 2013 13: 09
      -4
      That without problems, but that is the money? And what are you ordering from us that are so interesting to NATO members ??
      It’s easier to buy it from your generals, it’ll be cheaper,
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 31 May 2013 13: 19
        +1
        From you evil saliva and splatters. You have brought your country to such a state that it would be sold at the market, it would have been bought not only by Russia, but also by a bunch of other, less friendly countries to you.
        Just don’t fantasize that someone other than Russia is interested in you as a whole country.
        1. roial
          roial 31 May 2013 14: 35
          0
          Malice? why? And on account of that fact that was disputed, you yourself are not far from us. I won’t be surprised if tomorrow it comes up that Taburetkin has laid your MO in a pawnshop.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 31 May 2013 14: 39
            0
            Quote: roial
            if tomorrow it comes up that Taburetkin laid your MO in a pawnshop.

            Let us remember how during the repair of the ONLY Ukrainian submarine "Zaporozhye" it THREE TIMES managed to sell it privately for scrap?
            1. roial
              roial 31 May 2013 17: 27
              0
              Well, well, if it was sold for scrap, then why is it still listed on the balance sheet of MO ??? No need to spread unverified rumors.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 31 May 2013 22: 46
                +1
                Quote: roial
                No need to spread unverified rumors.
                These are just not rumors. Quite reliable information. It was sold THREE. Two times - for metal, once - for a floating cafe. And they even began to remodel. Well still, the owners caught on time
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 31 May 2013 17: 51
            +2
            I won’t be surprised if tomorrow it comes up that Taburetkin has laid your MO in a pawnshop.

            Will we cite fait accompli or alleged? And if we admit our mistakes, then somehow you don’t hear any confession about: stupidly cutting dozens of Tu-160, endless disputes about the Black Sea fleet, endless consoles to our fleet, impudent gas theft and so on, and so on ...
            And the nationalists who raised their heads ... you have a separate song.
            And so that there would be no accusations - it is about the Ukrainian government.
    2. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 31 May 2013 20: 00
      0
      It is necessary to take all the technologies from Ukraine faster and develop our own, otherwise everything we order from them is all info and documentation from NATO. (spare parts for these missiles and more)

      "Come and get it" - the answer of the Spartan king to the Persian king Xerxes with exactly the same imperial manners as yours. That king by the way broke off to take. negative
  18. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 31 May 2013 12: 37
    0
    We will entrust the service to "Uncle Vasya" A completely confident man ... Kuzhegetovich, he will check his uncle, but in the next move he will see that he does not get infected from external propaganda (or an EU splinter)
  19. Gagarin
    Gagarin 31 May 2013 12: 53
    +2
    We can! Yes, we’ll manage without you! And we’ll do it better !!! Follow the news!
  20. Vtel
    Vtel 31 May 2013 13: 29
    +7
    New 100-ton heavy liquid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missile "Breakthrough" or "Inevitability". "Breakthrough" will be able to throw into orbit a useful weight of 5 tons, that is, 15 medium or up to 10 heavy nuclear warheads at a distance of over 10 thousand kilometers. The new missiles will be deployed in the same mines where the Voevoda RS-20 is now located. They will start like the RS-20 - by means of a mortar launch: a rocket will be thrown 20-30 meters above the mine with a special powder accumulator, then the first stage engine will turn on.
    Our answer to Chamberlain and Obama from Barack!
  21. Skuto
    Skuto 31 May 2013 13: 56
    +1
    We cannot ignore the fact that under the START-3 agreement, each of the parties has the right to 700 (+ 100 non-deployed) delivery vehicles and slightly more than 1500 warheads. Therefore, when creating a new heavy ICBM, close attention should be paid when creating mines of a different design and security + of course, the issue of secrecy, because A heavy ICBM carries about 10 warheads and in the event of its destruction, the retaliatory strike power drops significantly.
  22. My address
    My address 31 May 2013 13: 58
    0
    Well, let them work on replacing one M5 bolt on one rocket for the corresponding reward. And that's enough.
    After all, you can not renew officially, just leave as is. As is known, the average service life of products exceeds the warranty period (the service life in this case is most likely about the same)). No one throws out the TV after a year of warranty. My LCD plows for nine years and I don’t contact the manufacturer.
    And also see Sukhov's wonderful commentary from 11, 33.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 31 May 2013 19: 12
      +1
      Yes, they all the same somewhere yes yes shit. With a step will be mistaken or with length. Yes, and the brand began to double-check after them .. And nah ...? U! The train left. Smoke bamboo.
  23. individual
    individual 31 May 2013 14: 40
    0
    In the comments they write that the brothers are shaking from the heart ...
    In my Russia, there is something to offer that they don’t refuse and
    the choice is big.
  24. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 31 May 2013 15: 18
    +1
    In Russia, the Strategic Missile Forces are armed with 58 RS-20 Voevoda missiles. A couple of these missiles would be enough to cut an American state. Each missile has 10 warheads (treaties no longer allow, but you can do this up to 40). The Ojna warhead has a power of 750 kTn (a 15 kTn bomb fell on Hiroshima) The warhead's CEP is 450-500 m. In general, the “Voivods” alone can inflict irreparable damage on the United States. And there are also "Poplar", "Stiletto", "Yars", "Sineva" and "Bulava". Quite good "Kuzkina's mother".
  25. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 31 May 2013 17: 51
    0
    amers probably will not wait until it is already out of circulation, and it is all on duty and on duty, I would have squealed in their place seriously only from certain characteristics and appearance laughing
  26. MG42
    MG42 31 May 2013 18: 10
    +6
    Dnepr rocket launch. "Voivoda" in the peaceful service. A two-hundred-ton rocket with a capacity of almost 20 million horsepower goes into the sky in a matter of seconds. Already after 9 minutes the satellite is in orbit. The life of a rocket is short but bright. Her flight is the apogee of the hard work of the rockets.
    “Having been on alert for such a long time in a fueled state, it now deters spacecraft with high reliability. This is its main task,” emphasizes the chief designer of the Yuzhnoye design bureau named after M.K. Yangel, Hero of Socialist Labor Stanislav Us.
    At the start, much reminds of a non-existent country. The missile was made in Ukraine, flies from the Kazakh territory, and Russian missile launchers launch it. This is what they say here: 109th playground - one big family. Therefore, Gennady Marochkin after the next launch invariably in his symbolic T-shirt.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 31 May 2013 19: 41
      +2
      MG-42 is a good koment because we can at least do something together without eating and throwing poop at each other.
  27. KononAV
    KononAV 31 May 2013 19: 45
    0
    Let them eat in their mines and God forbid they never once rise in battle.
  28. Alexander D.
    Alexander D. 31 May 2013 21: 34
    0
    It is interesting, and which of you has at least something to do with the development of ICBMs in Russia to hear an adequate comment on the article ?! Who in the subject, share information!
    In order to build rockets in Yuzhmash, special unique workshops were built with special equipment. No wonder that during the time of Brezhnev Dnepropetrovsk taxied in the USSR.
  29. vkz
    vkz 31 May 2013 23: 04
    +1
    Quote: roial
    And on the brush of the Soviet small landing hovercraft of Project 12322 Zubr, Ukraine has the same right to it as Russia.

    Based on this logic, Russia has the same rights to the RS-20 complex as Ukraine.
    1. Skuto
      Skuto 1 June 2013 01: 01
      0
      I think that one of the republics has more rights to the Soviet legacy, which can best manage it with the highest quality.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 3 June 2013 01: 49
      0
      Quote: vkz
      Quote: roial
      And on the brush of the Soviet small landing hovercraft of Project 12322 Zubr, Ukraine has the same right to it as Russia.

      Based on this logic, Russia has the same rights to the RS-20 complex as Ukraine.

      only nobody wants to do the same "Bark" for 941 projects ...
  30. Sirs
    Sirs 3 June 2013 02: 04
    0
    Technologies from Ukraine must be taken away (redeemed etc.). The Russian Federation is the rightful heir to the USSR and this fact is not in dispute. Missile technologies in the Russian Federation will be independent of other countries of the near and far abroad.
    Ukraine and a number of other countries have repeatedly let Russia down from our point of view. From the point of view of these countries, there are probably no, this Russia failed them, because Russia does not want its population to pay for gas used by Belarus, Ukraine, etc.
    Conclusion: Ukraine’s rockets and missile technologies are certainly good, but we need to move forward. After all, gas breakdown will begin in Ukraine and they will remember about missiles (spare parts for them) and remember everything and say - rocket technology is a state secret they are known to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the CIA of one distant country ...