The Russian Aerospace Forces launched FAB strikes from the UMPK system on the bridge over the Dnieper River in Zaporizhzhia.

Russia launched a series of strikes on the Preobrazhensky Bridge over the Dnieper River in Zaporizhzhia, this time with hits, Russian media report.

The Russian Aerospace Forces carried out strikes with several FAB-500 and FAB-1500 aerial bombs equipped with universal planning and correction modules (UMPK). As a result, the railway track was destroyed and the bridge's supporting structures were deformed. This is the current information coming in. However, it should be noted that there is no official confirmation yet.

The Preobrazhensky Bridge in Zaporizhzhia connects Khortytsia Island with the right and left bank parts of Zaporizhzhia. It is the only bridge across the Dnieper that our Aerospace Forces can reach without entering the Ukrainian air defense zone. DefenseAttempts to attack this bridge were already made in July of this year, but then all five aerial bombs from the UMPK landed near the bridge.

If the hit on the bridge, which destroyed the railway track, is confirmed, it will mean the end of rail logistics through Zaporizhzhia. Railroad trains will no longer pass through the city, meaning Ukrainian troops on the left bank will be left without supplies as the Russian offensive continues. Of course, there are other railway bridges across the Dnieper, but they are much further away, and the supply route will be significantly longer.

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[alexboguslavski]

Russia launched a series of strikes on the Preobrazhensky Bridge over the Dnieper River in Zaporizhzhia, this time with hits, Russian media report.

Have you got your aim?

Two months ago, an attempt was made to carry out airstrikes on this bridge using FAB and UMPK, but for some unknown reason, all the bombs missed, after which it was forgotten.

Let's see if they start seriously attacking the bridges across the Dnieper now, or if this will turn out to be another demonstration operation without systematically destroying Ukrainian logistics across the river.

[Cepera H]

But they did nothing about it for two months, yeah right. After all, if you start destroying bridges, you can win! That'll shut down the feeding trough for the right people.

[WILL]

The Russian Aerospace Forces launched strikes with several FAB-500 and FAB-1500 aerial bombs equipped with universal planning and correction modules (UMPK). These strikes destroyed the railway track and deformed the bridge's supporting structures.

Yes, I do not want to So, how "armor-piercing-proof" was the bridge?

[YOU]

This is the question of all questions. But I think this question about the indestructibility of bridges is a bit far-fetched. The spans of such a bridge can and should be destroyed. The supports, of course, are more complicated. And if we don't allow the spans to be restored—they will certainly be temporary, meaning they won't achieve their former strength—then the supply shortage will largely be resolved.

[Andobor]

Quote: YOU

But it seems to me that this question about the indestructibility of bridges

That's not the issue, it's the accuracy of the hit. This bridge has been hit before, and everything has missed, just like in Mayaki. In Zatoka, they finally hit the road section.
The railway was "taken pity" - as some people whine.
Now we'll see if we finally got it right?

[YOU]

Precision is understandable, but sooner or later the project will collapse. The main thing is not to give up.

[Andobor]

They used dozens of missiles and even more drones on the bridge in Zatoka, but only succeeded in stopping the road section.

[dnestr74]

Dozens of missiles? Maybe a hundred? Don't make me laugh. If there were ten, that's good.

[rytik32]

Quote: Andobor

Now we'll see if we finally got it right?

A video has surfaced. Yes, they hit, but only a small (in width) section of the span collapsed.

[Simargl]

Quote: ANIMAL

So, how "armor-piercing-proof" was the bridge?

Judging by the video... it's not clear:
https://conflictora.ru/api/articles/585415/videos/2/play
There he is making up something about children... let him say thank you that they are alive.

[SSR]

Quote: ANIMAL

The Russian Aerospace Forces launched strikes with several FAB-500 and FAB-1500 aerial bombs equipped with universal planning and correction modules (UMPK). These strikes destroyed the railway track and deformed the bridge's supporting structures.

Yes, I do not want to So, how "armor-piercing-proof" was the bridge?

Perhaps this became possible after the air defense was exhausted?

[Pereira]

Is this article a real photo of an explosion or an AI fantasy?

[January]

Quote: Pereira

Is this article a real photo of an explosion or an AI fantasy?

https://spbnews78.ru/society/2026/08/16/311510.html

[alexoff]

Really?! Did anyone really look at the map and see a railway bridge 30 km from the LBS?!

[SSR]

Quote from alexoff

Really?! Did anyone really look at the map and see a railway bridge 30 km from the LBS?!

And what is the range of the Patriot missile? Have you looked at the map?
So you don't compare different facts?

[Cepera H]

We need to use Oreshnik more often to hit that "strategic" barn god knows where. And turn a blind eye to the bridges across the Dnieper.

[alexboguslavski]

Railroad trains will no longer pass through the city, meaning that Ukrainian troops on the left bank will be left without supplies as Russian troops continue their advance.

By the way, about echelons.

Ukraine, facing a shortage of locomotives following the Russian Armed Forces' strikes, has decided to tap into the Soviet stash.

Now the remaining rolling stock is being prepared to be converted to steam traction.

The main thing is that they didn't forget to remove the red star from the Soviet "L" series steam locomotive. But, alas, the "decommunization" that has begun will still have to be completed by Russian drones.

[Ivanhoe]

"Stop, locomotive, don't knock your wheels! Conductor, hit the brakes! The Geranium is looking for you, it will find you, and your life will end forever."

[Montezuma]

Quote: Ivanhoe

"Stop, locomotive, don't knock your wheels! Conductor, apply the brakes!

"Stop, locomotive, don't knock your wheels! Conductor, apply the brakes! The Geranium won't miss, you'll become a piece of junk, and the milling machine will cut you." 😪

[Simargl]

Quote: alexboguslavski

The main thing is that they didn’t forget to remove the red star from the Soviet steam locomotive of the “L” series.

Where will they find so many locomotive crews?! Those who are skilled and under 80.
Coal (not all of it is suitable, but for a short time - any will do... but where to get it?
Water... are they still intact? They need to be topped up every 100 km, max.

[Silba]

So what, it turns out it's not the design of Soviet-built bridges at all. You can completely obliterate the bridge deck between the piers, the main thing is to hit them. And the 500-caliber faba bombs might not be entirely effective. Many here have been ranting for years, justifying the lack of strikes on bridges by citing their invulnerability; the Kerch bridge was disabled even without a kinetic strike. Simply use more powerful weapons, with more precise guidance; then you certainly won't be able to restore it in a day or two. Good luck to our "bridge builders," the main thing is, they've started!

[Andobor]

Quote: Silbi

So what, it turns out it's not about the design of Soviet-built bridges at all; the roadbed can be completely erased between the pillars, the main thing is to hit them.

Yes, the main thing is to hit, that's the problem. They used dozens of missiles on the bridge in Zatoka before they hit it, and only the road section; they never hit the bridge in Mayaki.

[alexoff]

The bombs land precisely in a row in the forest belts, sometimes dropping four on individual houses, all landing within a 5-10 meter radius. The bombs simply won't hit the bridge unless they're launched. Even hurricanes from our territory would reach the Preobrazhensky Bridge, and a peony at maximum range would do the trick. But if nothing is done, nothing will happen.

[Andobor]

Quote from alexoff

The bombs simply won't hit the bridge unless they're sent.

Last time they sent five bombs at this bridge, not a single one hit the bridge. Do you think they were just trying to scare people?
There is information that bridges are covered with electronic warfare, but landings are not.

[alexoff]

Or maybe they were targeting them like that on purpose, sending a signal instead of actually hitting them? Like hitting a barn? The electronic warfare would have jammed the geraniums, but they were flying past the bridge and hitting the power lines.

[Andobor]

Quote from alexoff

Electronic warfare would jam the geraniums,

I don’t know what kind of guidance systems are on the Geraniums and the FABs; they could be different.

[alexoff]

It's a shame the developers don't share technology and can't integrate the Geranium or Lmur control system into Fab; it's every man for himself...

[Vitaly161]

It's a shame the developers don't share technologies and can't integrate the Geranium or Lmur control system into Fab.

I wonder if the LMUR has a TV seeker on a FAB with an UMPK? Why bother? There are KABs with TV seekers up to 3000, but the whole point of the UMPK is cheapness—a standard high-explosive missile with wings. Geraniums are probably now guided by Rassvet, at least Seekers. UMPKs and regular Geraniums/Gerberas/Panderolis fly with Komets, that is, via GLONASS. Antennas are constantly being upgraded. And as you've been told, a UMPK's hit depends directly on electronic warfare. Of course, bridges will be better protected, but you can't move it, you can't bury it, and it's a strategic target, so it's better protected than others.
P.S. There were times when even 20 FABs with UMPKs would fly anywhere but the target. Thank goodness our specialists are not sleeping and are modernizing the Comet.

[alexoff]

Quote: Vitaliy161

I wonder if the LMUR's TV seeker is on a FAB with a UMPK? Why bother? There are KABs with TV seekers up to 3000.

There are, there are a lot of them! There are KABs with laser homing heads. Geraniums are flying in formation near the bridge. Should I directly illuminate the bridge support from a drone? No! There is the Kh-32, an anti-ship missile that can home in on large surface targets. And there are plenty of anti-ship missiles in general. They can hit anywhere, at military bases, at airfields, at factories—but not at surface targets like ships and bridges. Why? I think it's electronic warfare, SIGINT, Starlink, NATO warnings and the bridge is being moved, and besides, the bridge will be repaired in a couple of days and the pontoons will be erected.

Quote: Vitaliy161

Electronic warfare will, of course, protect bridges better.

It's a shame there's no electronic reconnaissance to find this electronic warfare system. It's so well-known to our leadership that for years they haven't even tried to hit the bridge. As I've been told here, if they miss, it will be a disgrace, and no one will buy our UMPK systems.

[Vitaly161]

Geraniums are flying in a flock near the bridge. Should I light the bridge support directly with a drone?

Where did Geranium get its target acquisition system? Or targeting equipment? That's right, they don't have any, and the drones that can target the target acquisition system can't fly there, unfortunately.

There's the Kh-32, an anti-ship missile that can home in on large surface targets. And there are plenty of anti-ship missiles in general.

Has the bridge suddenly become a large surface target? And the anti-ship missile's accuracy clearly isn't designed for bridges. A 10-meter range is too high for a bridge; even a 5-meter miss is possible.

It's a pity that there is no electronic reconnaissance to find this electronic warfare.

It exists, electronic warfare does not stand still, it is redeployed, camouflaged, or even turned on, for example, when receiving information about a strike, try to find

[alexoff]

Quote: Vitaliy161

Or target designation equipment?

Borrow from Orlan? No, that's nonsense.

Quote: Vitaliy161

That's right, there aren't any, and the drones that can guide the LGSN can't fly there, unfortunately.

Why? Because they're smaller than geraniums, that's why they're made in St. Petersburg, that's why!

Quote: Vitaliy161

Has the bridge suddenly become a large surface target?

In general, yes, anti-ship missiles are described in black and white as being capable of striking bridges.

Quote: Vitaliy161

Well, the accuracy of the anti-ship missile clearly does not allow it to work on bridges.

Well, yes, bridges are much smaller than ships; a ship is a hundred or two hundred meters long—a colossus! But a bridge is a measly couple of kilometers—like hitting a squirrel in the eye.

Quote: Vitaliy161

For the KVO bridge, 10m is too much, even 5m is possible to miss

And if they miss, that's it – we'll have to capitulate! Because? Right, hit anti-ship missiles anywhere except the targets they were officially designed for!

Quote: Vitaliy161

Electronic warfare does not stand still, it is being redeployed

Where did you get this information? Have you seen this electronic warfare system? What's it called? Why doesn't it work on geraniums? Why wasn't it deployed near the bridge in Zatoka? How do you even know it exists? In Zaporizhzhia, aerial bombs land regularly, everywhere except the bridge.

Quote: Vitaliy161

turns on, for example, when receiving information about an impact

I think they have laser turrets there and shoot everything down, along with railguns and void shields. And back in 2022, our leadership was so utterly helpless in attacking the bridge 30 km from the LBS that they strictly forbade firing anything in its direction under threat of a tribunal. So, nothing was fired at the bridge, not even shells or MLRS missiles. Because it's impossible to hit, a waste of everything, just like with the Ukrainian leadership, with 750 kV transformers and other Beskydy tunnels, so heavily protected that it's impossible to even try.

[Vitaly161]

Well, yes, bridges are much smaller than ships; a ship is a hundred or two hundred meters long—a colossus! But a bridge is a measly couple of kilometers—like hitting a squirrel in the eye.

Yeah, the bridge deck looks a lot like a ship in profile, you can't really tell the difference, except for the fact that the deck is about 3 meters tall in profile, while the ship is much taller. So, there's no difference at all.

Borrow from Orlan? No, that's nonsense.

Damn genius, Geranium, it's a one-time use product, all that's left is to hang a laser sight on it, and why is a genius like you still warming a soft spot on the couch?

[alexoff]

The bridge deck, in profile, looks very much like a ship, you can't really tell the difference, well, not counting the fact that the deck is about 3 meters in profile

The X-32's diving surface is 20 meters long, don't write nonsense.

The ship is much higher, but otherwise it doesn't make any difference.

The missile literally goes crazy when hit from above, even before launch it says, "There's electronic warfare, I can't fly," and they don't launch it.

Damn genius, Geranium, it's a one-time use product, all that's left is to hang a laser sight on it, and why is a genius like you still warming a soft spot on the couch?

So what? Right, the bridge is there. UMPKs should be cheap, geraniums too, you can't launch an Orlan anywhere near them—that's why the bridges are there. Brainstorming at the General Staff led to nothing being invented over the years: electronic warfare, tiny bridges—let it stand! And the accuracy is zero when striking bridges, and it's generally harmful. By the way, were you among those who witnessed the hangars?

[Vitaly161]

so what?

It's worth it for reasons we're not supposed to know.

By the way, weren't you one of the witnesses that the hangars weren't needed?

No, I'm a reasonable person, not you.

Brainstorming at the General Staff led to the fact that over the years they came up with nothing, electronic warfare, tiny bridges, let it stand!

You're not from the General Staff, you're not supposed to know why this is so.

The missile literally goes crazy when hit from above, even before launch it says, "There's electronic warfare, I can't fly," and they don't launch it.

Don't write nonsense, it means there are other targets for it or problems with targeting a target like a bridge, after all, it does not have a GNSS channel, only an onboard radar + INS, and how to see a target like a bridge using a radar from the 80s, I don't know

[alexoff]

It's worth it for reasons we're not supposed to know.

that is, a deal

No, I'm a reasonable person, not you.

So, they didn't build hangars under Shoigu because there were thieves in the Ministry of Defense?

You're not from the General Staff, you're not supposed to know why this is so.

It's clear that they can't come up with excuses for their helplessness anymore. It has to be that way; it's not for nothing that Putin called them "parquet generals" in 2023.

So there are other targets for it or problems with targeting a target like a bridge, after all, it doesn’t have a GNSS channel, only an onboard radar + INS, and how to see a target like a bridge using a radar from the 80s, I don’t know

What are these important? Sheds? Forest belts?

[Vitaly161]

So, they didn't build hangars under Shoigu because there were thieves in the Ministry of Defense?

No, because there was no order.

What are these important? Sheds? Forest belts?

Aircraft carriers probably

It's clear that they can't come up with excuses for their helplessness anymore. It has to be that way; it's not for nothing that Putin called them "parquet generals" in 2023.

You're confusing soft and warm. Destroying infrastructure requires political will from the Russian leadership and a corresponding order. Did you serve in the army? Do you know what an order is? It seems like you don't, and you're a white-ticket holder.

[alexoff]

Quote: Vitaliy161

No, because there was no order.

How come there wasn't an order? And what about this—https://www.mk.ru/politics/2021/04/20/shoygu-obyavil-o-starte-massovogo-stroitelstva-samoletnykh-ukrytiy.html

Quote: Vitaliy161

Aircraft carriers probably

It is clear that there was no order, and the aircraft carriers were not found.

Quote: Vitaliy161

You're confusing soft and warm. Destroying infrastructure requires political will from the Russian leadership and a corresponding order. Did you serve in the army? Do you know what an order is? It seems like you don't, and you're a white-ticket holder.

It's great to be a general – zero responsibility. Here, orders are given, no one at the bottom knows anything, the weapons are of the wrong type, and NATO is helping the enemy. Where's the army's political clout? Why haven't all these generals said, "We're demolishing bridges. If any politicians object, then we'll have to choose between the lives of our soldiers and the thieving officials in Moscow?" Who's stopping them? Or maybe they're such great friends with these politicians and businessmen that they've elevated those who can't do anything and don't aspire to anything? Was General Lapin also ordered to ineptly defend the Kursk region? And whoever sent a company to storm Kharkiv on February 27, 2022 – did they also receive such orders from above?

[Vitaly161]

How come there wasn't an order? And what about this—https://www.mk.ru/politics/2021/04/20/shoygu-obyavil-o-starte-massovogo-stroitelstva-samoletnykh-ukrytiy.html

This is some kind of article, not an order. You can declare whatever you want; it's like writing on a fence.

Where is the army's political weight?

The army is a structure built on unity of command, and it should not have political weight.

Was Lapin also given the order to ineptly defend the Kursk region?

You could at least refresh your memory: Lapin was assigned to Kursk after the fighting in the Kursk region began; he didn't prepare the defense there.

And who sent the company to storm Kharkov on February 27, 2022? Did they also receive such orders from above?

Why are you asking me this? Go to the Russian Armed Forces Headquarters and ask, or are you so scared?

[Vitaly161]

And if they miss, that's it – we'll have to capitulate! Because? Right, hit anti-ship missiles anywhere except the targets they were officially designed for!

Anti-ship missiles were not designed to destroy bridges, stop eating mushrooms already.

Where did you get this information? Have you seen this electronic warfare system? What's it called? Why doesn't it work on geraniums? Why wasn't it deployed near the bridge in Zatoka? How do you even know it exists? In Zaporizhzhia, aerial bombs land regularly, everywhere except the bridge.

Indirect signs: if several salvos of bombs with a GNSS homing head land within a CEP of 50-100 m, it means the signal is being jammed; there is no third option.

Why doesn't it work on geraniums?

Who said it doesn't work? Are the Geraniums trying to hit bridges? Or maybe you have statistics on Geranium launches, hits, and losses? If you don't have that information, then don't spout nonsense.

[alexoff]

Anti-ship missiles were not designed to destroy bridges, stop eating mushrooms already.

Literally, potential targets were declared, "Stop eating mushrooms already." High-explosive aerial bombs weren't designed for bridges; you had 25 of them flying anywhere but the target.

Indirect signs: if several salvos of bombs with a GNSS homing head land within a CEP of 50-100 m, it means the signal is being jammed; there is no third option.

These are indirect signs that they were shooting to scare people, quo kilometer from the center of the bridge. I wonder what other targets this electronic warfare system is covering? And why was it turned off yesterday?

Who said it doesn't work? Are Geraniums trying to hit the bridges?

They're flying nearby, no signal interference. Or is the electronic warfare strictly limited to the bridge?

Or maybe you have statistics on Geranium launches, hits, and losses? If you don't have that information, then don't write nonsense.

Do you have statistics on hits on the bridge?
And yes, why hasn't anyone hit it with anything for years? Across the bridge where the trains with weapons are, 30 km from the LBS? Does the Uragan also repel electronic warfare?

[Vitaly161]

I wonder what other targets this electronic warfare system is covering? And why was it turned off yesterday?

How do I know if it's covering something, or maybe it was covering it and it was destroyed, maybe there was no diesel to power it, maybe it was redeployed to Odessa because it's hotter there, we can't know, the fact is, they worked on this bridge before, FABs with UMPKs flew into the air, yesterday they achieved a direct hit.

Do you have statistics on hits on the bridge?
And yes - why didn’t they hit him with anything for years?

Why didn't the Germans attack the crossings and bridges over the Dnieper during their offensive? The Red Army blew them up. And why did the Red Army later try to preserve the German crossings over the Dnieper instead of destroying them? Perhaps because by preserving and capturing the crossings and bridges, they could advance further without wasting time preparing to cross the mighty Dnieper? Such an operation would take three months, not a week, to prepare.

They're flying nearby, no signal interference. Or is the electronic warfare strictly limited to the bridge?

Where is "near"? 1 km from the bridge? 5? 10 mb? Specifics, please.

High-explosive aerial bombs were not created for bridges; you generally flew 25 of them anywhere except the target.

The high explosive effect of the FAB is what is needed to destroy the bridge, the question is how many units are needed to accomplish this task.

[alexoff]

How do I know if it's covering something, or maybe it was covering it and it was destroyed, maybe there was no diesel to power it, maybe it was redeployed to Odessa because it's hotter there, we can't know, the fact is, they worked on this bridge before, FABs with UMPKs flew into the air, yesterday they achieved a direct hit.

Or maybe it never existed? Maybe the enemy fooled the generals, who hadn't sent anything toward the bridge for years?

Why didn’t the Germans attack the crossings and bridges across the Dnieper during their offensive?

Are we advancing? When will we reach the bridges? The Germans crossed the Dnieper in flight, not crawled.

The Red Army blew them up.

and will they leave them whole for us?

Perhaps because, by maintaining the crossing and bridge and capturing them, there's the possibility of a further offensive without wasting time preparing to cross the mighty Dnieper? Such an operation would take three months to prepare, not a week.

Anyway, yesterday someone committed a terrible crime by hitting the bridge, because we were planning to cross the Dnieper! What if the bridge had fallen?!

Where is "near"? 1 km from the bridge? 5? 10 mb? Specifics, please.

nearby it is on land, a few hundred meters from the bridge

The high explosive effect of the FAB is what is needed to destroy the bridge, the question is how many units are needed to accomplish this task.

Over the past few years, only six fabs have been found. As usual, when it comes to important goals, everything goes to zero. But you could put twenty in the forest belt.

[Vitaly161]

Or maybe it never existed? Maybe the enemy fooled the generals, who hadn't sent anything toward the bridge for years?

How did he fool the FABs that fly via GLONASS? Explain.

Anyway, yesterday someone committed a terrible crime by hitting the bridge, because we were planning to cross the Dnieper! What if the bridge had fallen?!

If they were shooting at the bridge, it means there was an order. We didn't shoot at civilian ships before either, but now we're going at it like crazy. Why? Didn't the generals want it? Or maybe there was no order?

[alexoff]

Quote: Vitaliy161

How did he fool the FABs that fly via GLONASS? Explain.

He fooled the generals, who had been straining for years, really didn't want to, practically couldn't eat, allocated a few bombs and missed by a kilometer. They really wanted to destroy the bridge, really, really, but they hadn't been given bombs for years, and they were so upset by the miss that they forgot about the bridge for a month. They remember that bridge in Zatoka, but they want to demolish it so badly across the Dnieper that you can tell they didn't enter the coordinates right away, so as not to upset anyone. Like the owners of Zaporizhstal, which was also working and was left untouched. It was protected by electronic warfare.

Quote: Vitaliy161

If they were shooting at the bridge, it means there was an order. We didn't shoot at civilian ships before either, but now we're going at it like crazy. Why? Didn't the generals want it? Or maybe there was no order?

So maybe it's also impossible to cross the bridge? I remember people like you saying that it was absolutely impossible to get through to ships calling at Odessa, but just look at it—just like the hundred-meter queues in Moscow (I've seen longer ones now), the order suddenly came.

[Vitaly161]

Literally, potential targets were declared, "Stop eating mushrooms already." High-explosive aerial bombs weren't designed for bridges; you had 25 of them flying anywhere but the target.

Where were these claims made, and by whom? By the manufacturer after the upgrade? By the Russian Armed Forces Command? By some officials? If not, such statements are a disaster. I haven't seen any official comments from the design bureau or the Ministry of Defense on the issue of solving the problems with X-32 anti-ship missile guidance on bridges, and a cursory search didn't find any, only articles by "experts" like those of a Moscow street sweeper.

[alexoff]

What were the declared targets of the anti-ship missiles? What targets do they operate against? Which enemy ships do they regularly attack?

[Vitaly161]

And for what purposes were the anti-ship missiles declared?

Large surface radio-contrast targets, for which they have a radar homing head. There were rumors that they were modernized for work on land, but there is no information beyond rumors. Probably classified.

Which enemy ships are regularly attacked?

Don't jump around, let's go, okay?

[alexoff]

Quote: Vitaliy161

Large surface radio-contrast targets, for which they have a radar homing head

Yeah, bridges and ships, that's the only targets. But anti-ship missiles have been and are hitting anything but surface radar-contrast targets.

Quote: Vitaliy161

Don't jump around, let's go, okay?

You're saying anti-ship missiles are for ships. Where do Onyx, Kh-32, and Zircon missiles regularly land? What surface targets? The answer is: none. It's impossible! Especially against bridges.

[Vitaly161]

Where do onyxes, X-32s and zircons regularly arrive?

Is there any official information about onyxes being launched onto the ground? Not just some Latvian blogger's info, but official confirmation from the Russian Ministry of Defense?

[alexoff]

https://topwar.ru/286902-giperzvukovye-pkr-oniks-udarili-po-portovomu-ilichevsku-odesskoj-oblasti.html
https://topwar.ru/240208-pkr-p-800-oniks-v-specoperacii-opyt-primenenija-i-puti-razvitija.html
As the saying goes, "carry what's round, roll what's square." Geraniums on ships, anti-ship missiles on land.

[Vitaly161]

https://topwar.ru/286902-giperzvukovye-pkr-oniks-udarili-po-portovomu-ilichevsku-odesskoj-oblasti.html
https://topwar.ru/240208-pkr-p-800-oniks-v-specoperacii-opyt-primenenija-i-puti-razvitija.html
As the saying goes, "carry what's round, roll what's square." Geraniums on ships, anti-ship missiles on land.

Once again, the VO article isn't an official source of information; at best, it's an OBS. Where's the confirmation of Onyx strikes on the ground? Where's the objective verification from the Russian Ministry of Defense, even with a signature—it was an Onyx, that beautiful explosion, where is all that? Regarding the Kh-32, it's all clear: either the missiles should be scrapped or used for the air defense to some advantage. It's too early to scrap the Onyxes, and there are no videos of BRK launches, let alone Bastions, while OK missiles, like Geraniums, are working like crazy.
And the only reason modern anti-ship missiles may not work is their astronomical price.
By the way, there are no questions about the operation of Zircon; they can work with it in order to obtain information for its future modification.

[Aag]

Quote from alexoff

The bombs land precisely in a row in the forest belts, sometimes dropping four on individual houses, all landing within a 5-10 meter radius. The bombs simply won't hit the bridge unless they're launched. Even hurricanes from our territory would reach the Preobrazhensky Bridge, and a peony at maximum range would do the trick. But if nothing is done, nothing will happen.

I could be wrong in my opinion. But it seems the problem is the same: they can't guarantee destruction, destruction, or damage (let the specialists figure out what the problem is), so they report to the higher-ups that such strikes are inadvisable.
Yeah. Sounds stupid. But aren't we witnessing even greater "stupidities"?!
People are complaining about the Internet being blocked... Like, all that's left is to watch TV...
I'm reporting: Irkutsk, there was no TV broadcast for almost a day (10+10 channels). Cable (paid) - almost without interruptions.
What did Ilyich say about this: "mail, telegraph..."?

[alexoff]

Quote: AAG

They are guaranteed not to destroy, demolish, or damage anything (let the specialists determine what the problem is), so they report to the higher-ups about the inappropriateness of such strikes.

When did those at the top ever listen to such reports from below? They can send soldiers head-on against fortifications without artillery preparation or any preparation at all, but then—oh, the lower levels said it's complicated—let's forget it! Besides, the list of targets so complex that they don't attack them is quite impressive. After all, they don't even attack Ukrainian military academies.

[Aag]

Quote from alexoff

Quote: AAG

They are guaranteed not to destroy, demolish, or damage anything (let the specialists determine what the problem is), so they report to the higher-ups about the inappropriateness of such strikes.

When did those at the top ever listen to such reports from below? They can send soldiers head-on against fortifications without artillery preparation or any preparation at all, but then—oh, the lower levels said it's complicated—let's forget it! Besides, the list of targets so complex that they don't attack them is quite impressive. After all, they don't even attack Ukrainian military academies.

From my experience (it was a long time ago): Anything can happen... There are many possible reasons. The main thing is that they correspond to the plans of those above...
And I will add: "A plan without intent is fiction..."

[alexoff]

It's usually like this with the SVO - a huge list of targets that haven't been hit for years - the same list of justifications, and not from the General Staff, the Ministry of Defense, or the country's leadership; justifications are made up by armchair lawyers.

[Aag]

Quote from alexoff

It's usually like this with the SVO - a huge list of targets that haven't been hit for years - the same list of justifications, and not from the General Staff, the Ministry of Defense, or the country's leadership; justifications are made up by armchair lawyers.

Hmmm... "Sofa people" seem to be agents of influence))).
On salaries and other perks.
And there are probably plenty of those who are confused (confused), who have no time (!) to look at reality... I judge by those around me. Some don't give a damn (until it affects them!).
Alas, there are those who are after the money... Not realizing that the conditions were created for this.
There are ideological ones. I don't judge! Because if you look at each one's history, it's not an excuse, but a direct message!
In general, IMHO, the justifications, or "justifications," for this entire undertaking sound strange... Perhaps because many still don't understand the operation's goals and objectives? What should it look like in the end?
Not to mention the methods and techniques of conducting...
All this makes more and more people sick...

[Victor Alien]

Regarding blocking the Internet - it is not blocked. Servers and sometimes individual applications are shut down. After this, you can only access certain websites by entering your password, sometimes by making a new one, and in other cases even this doesn’t help. And the damn AI also doesn't allow access to some supposedly too old websites (like their software is outdated). I've already encountered something completely incomprehensible twice while traveling to Orenburg. For example, I filled up with gas 25 km from the city, and nothing came through when I received an SMS about money being withdrawn from a push-button phone that doesn't have internet. I came home and tried to call twice - there was silence on the phone. For some reason I decided to turn my phone off and on... and SMS messages arrived, missed calls appeared, and it became possible to make calls. And the smartphone and navigation on it worked. And the other day, when I was entering the city, my navigation worked, but a passenger's online banking didn't even open on her smartphone. And how will disabling access to a gaming site prevent drones and missiles from flying where they need to?! Why can one site show videos at this time, but not others?! Why the hell does Avito work even though you're blocking the internet, while Yandex Browser shows the stores' websites, but their phone numbers and addresses aren't showing up?! Why do Gazprom gas stations disappear from the map on the navigator?! Other gas stations are visible (although it doesn’t always show that they are working at all, whether there is gasoline there and what kind). Why the hell does Avito itself interfere with the search area settings if a specific point and radius around it are set?! This is not a blocking of the Internet - this is a division of information space. By the way, for some reason Roskomnadzor is not interested in advertising infobot programs at all - they creep in from every nook and cranny. I don't even bother searching for anything on my smartphone - it's a nightmare. Sometimes you don't even have to touch the screen - the smartphone will open and scroll automatically. When you enter a gas station with a navigator, it automatically shows you which pump to choose... What the hell?! We've had enough of apps on top of apps. Sberbank doesn't charge a commission for phone payments, but now Megafon does – you have to download its app and link your bank card to it to pay without a commission... And wherever you look, there are your banks - the car factory, the telephone operator, interregional gas, energy companies, cards or store apps, and everywhere, go download the app and link your card. With OSAGO, some people even sell e-OAGO. You go to their website, but the OSAGO policy can't be checked there. The State Traffic Inspectorate website has shut down its vehicle inspection and fine checking services – they don't have the IT skills to keep the site running more than three days a week. For some reason, online cash registers at brick-and-mortar retail locations are connected to a NON-WIRED internet connection—meaning, like a drone or missile attack, the cash register is down. Give me the cash. And no one says that banks charge too much for acquiring - as much as 3%. Why then is the price of the goods for cash cheaper than these 3%. It's the same thing with gasoline - do the tankers take gasoline from the gas stations back to the oil depots and refineries in cash?! Where is the logic ?! The website or app won't open and everyone is immediately typing on social media - there's no internet!!!

[Aag]

Quote: Victor Alien

Regarding blocking the Internet - it is not blocked. Servers and sometimes individual applications are shut down. After this, you can only access certain websites by entering your password, sometimes by making a new one, and in other cases even this doesn’t help. And the damn AI also doesn't allow access to some supposedly too old websites (like their software is outdated). I've already encountered something completely incomprehensible twice while traveling to Orenburg. For example, I filled up with gas 25 km from the city, and nothing came through when I received an SMS about money being withdrawn from a push-button phone that doesn't have internet. I came home and tried to call twice - there was silence on the phone. For some reason I decided to turn my phone off and on... and SMS messages arrived, missed calls appeared, and it became possible to make calls. And the smartphone and navigation on it worked. And the other day, when I was entering the city, my navigation worked, but a passenger's online banking didn't even open on her smartphone. And how will disabling access to a gaming site prevent drones and missiles from flying where they need to?! Why can one site show videos at this time, but not others?! Why the hell does Avito work even though you're blocking the internet, while Yandex Browser shows the stores' websites, but their phone numbers and addresses aren't showing up?! Why do Gazprom gas stations disappear from the map on the navigator?! Other gas stations are visible (although it doesn’t always show that they are working at all, whether there is gasoline there and what kind). Why the hell does Avito itself interfere with the search area settings if a specific point and radius around it are set?! This is not a blocking of the Internet - this is a division of information space. By the way, for some reason Roskomnadzor is not interested in advertising infobot programs at all - they creep in from every nook and cranny. I don't even bother searching for anything on my smartphone - it's a nightmare. Sometimes you don't even have to touch the screen - the smartphone will open and scroll automatically. When you enter a gas station with a navigator, it automatically shows you which pump to choose... What the hell?! We've had enough of apps on top of apps. Sberbank doesn't charge a commission for phone payments, but now Megafon does – you have to download its app and link your bank card to it to pay without a commission... And wherever you look, there are your banks - the car factory, the telephone operator, interregional gas, energy companies, cards or store apps, and everywhere, go download the app and link your card. With OSAGO, some people even sell e-OAGO. You go to their website, but the OSAGO policy can't be checked there. The State Traffic Inspectorate website has shut down its vehicle inspection and fine checking services – they don't have the IT skills to keep the site running more than three days a week. For some reason, online cash registers at brick-and-mortar retail locations are connected to a NON-WIRED internet connection—meaning, like a drone or missile attack, the cash register is down. Give me the cash. And no one says that banks charge too much for acquiring - as much as 3%. Why then is the price of the goods for cash cheaper than these 3%. It's the same thing with gasoline - do the tankers take gasoline from the gas stations back to the oil depots and refineries in cash?! Where is the logic ?! The website or app won't open and everyone is immediately typing on social media - there's no internet!!!

I understand and share your indignation. Because more and more "Why?" questions are arising...
Without going into details, it all smells really bad... ((!
For many people, the gap between a television and a refrigerator has long since exceeded the level of the late USSR.
And the gap is not to be seen.
Some, those who are realistically assessing the situation, are either enjoying life as if it were their last day or adopting an ostrich pose (one doesn't interfere with the other). True, there's another small group of acquaintances who are trying to ride this wave and swim to the "feeding trough." With slogans and hoots... ((!

[eckons]

About internet blocking

A taxi driver's in-depth analysis of internet infrastructure issues.

[Vovavvs]

Unfortunately, there is no second Polbin in our army...

[Simargl]

They dropped a support on the Kerch bridge—how much was in the truck? 20 tons?

[eckons]

It turns out it's not about the design of Soviet-built bridges at all; the roadbed can be completely erased between the pillars, the main thing is to hit them

Well, yes, all that's left is to move the front line a little so that there are about 50 kilometers left to the bridges. Then we can use the FAB.

[goga13]

Has it really begun? God willing, it won't be the last one.

[Andrey Mishin]

There's only one question here: Who's been holding up this operation so far? If we pull the strings, we can find a lot of interesting information.

[Andobor]

Quote: Andrey Mishin

Who has been holding up this operation so far?

On June 21, five bombs were dropped on this bridge, none of them hit. Who is to blame for this?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Andobor

On June 21, five bombs were dropped on this bridge, none of them hit. Who is to blame for this?

Why only 5 and the next ones in 2 months, and not the next day?

[Andobor]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Why only 5 and the next ones in 2 months, and not the next day?

There is information that the bridges are covered by electronic warfare. If so, then they have invented other guidance systems. We'll see what they have invented. The scale of the damage is not yet clear.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Andobor

There is information that the bridges are covered by electronic warfare. If so, then they have invented other guidance systems. We'll see what they have invented. The scale of the damage is not yet clear.

If they had thrown 5 every day for a week, they would have hit anyway, especially since electronic warfare is particularly strong and can't counter the UMPK, which uses a satellite and an inertial system, not radio... The problem is that they haven't even tried for 2 months...

[Vitaly161]

Moreover, electronic warfare is particularly strong and cannot counter the UMPK, which has a satellite and an inertial system.

There was no inertial system on the UMPK, GLONASS, and the USA, so they were very well diverted by electronic warfare for a while until the Kometas were modernized.

[Derbenev Anton]

There is information that the bridges are covered by electronic warfare

Is Zelensky and his Nazi gang also being covered by electronic warfare when he meets his partners at the Kyiv train station live on air? Or is that something else entirely?

[alexoff]

As many as five in the fifth year of the Secondary Military Service, and not five every two months.

[Cepera H]

And how much for only five in four years? Where are they throwing these bombs—anywhere but the strategic bridge? Here they tell us about thousands of geraniums a week. Yes, thousands of geraniums would dismantle this bridge into atoms. But no—anywhere, they'll attack the "strategic barn" with hazelnuts, just so long as they don't hit the bridge. TRAITORS.

[gribanov.c]

Destroying a bridge requires specialized ammunition, but what kind? A single, precise strike would collapse a span or bridge support, not just blow a hole in the bridge deck, for example. What explosive power would be required?

[Andobor]

Quote from gribanow.c

To destroy the bridge, special ammunition is needed,

To destroy a bridge you need to hit it, that's a problem

[gribanov.c]

But even that doesn't accomplish much. For example, how does a high-explosive munition work when it explodes? It creates a zone of increased pressure, typically shaped like a sphere. It lifts material as dense as soil, for example, and creates a crater. But a high-explosive munition can't damage reinforced concrete. A concrete-piercing munition pierces it, creating a hole. But even that's not enough for a bridge. It needs to destroy the bridge deck, say, 1 x 5 m in area, completely, without damaging it or punching a hole 50 cm in diameter. A task seemingly impossible for a single bomb. Or what kind of bomb, what kind of power, or design would it need to be, to distribute the energy of the explosion (or explosions) so well?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote from gribanow.c

Destroying a bridge requires specialized ammunition, but what kind? A single, precise strike would collapse a span or bridge support, not just blow a hole in the bridge deck, for example. What explosive power would be required?

A large hole in the bridge deck, or several, can seriously hinder the full use of the bridge, especially for railways, so don't think of holes in the deck as useless.

[gribanov.c]

But if we're talking about the principle of how rock is blasted, or, say, how old concrete structures are demolished. They drill holes, place charges in them, and detonate them simultaneously, or in a specific sequence. So, something similar is needed here, too. A cluster warhead containing several homing munitions. The cluster opens, they fall in a precise line across the bridge deck, penetrate the concrete a few centimeters, and detonate simultaneously. so both guidance and deceleration must be calculated precisely

[alexoff]

To destroy a bridge, the explosion must occur inside the bridge, not above it. For this, the optimal detonation time is calculated. A blast wave propagates much better through concrete than through air. In general, this issue has been solved very well in the West—the spans of our and Iranian bridges have been destroyed by very few aerial bombs, and not even half-ton ones.

[Sergey Mitinsky]

As always, there is a lot of talk about why this wasn’t done before, even though “we” all together developed detailed operational plans for the collapse of these bridges?
But the expenditure of missiles on the bridge in Zatoka and the expenditure of KABs did not justify the endless misses, so Gerasimov and Putin were aware of our valuable advice to the General Staff, but they could not carry out our congenial plans.
But now they are finally hitting the target and will continue to hit it.
New satellites are responsible for the accuracy of guidance: the Glonass-K2 constellation and the still modest Rassvet constellation
So, gentlemen, shadow and armchair staff workers, it was not about Gerasimov

[Derbenev Anton]

So, gentlemen, shadow and armchair staff workers, it was not about Gerasimov

Do you still think it's Abramovich?

[NakedMan]

That's right. It's clear to see how the accuracy of my shots is improving, but there's still room for improvement.

[2al]

If we look at the official statistics of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' strikes on the Zatoka bridge, we see that the attacks began in earnest in 2026; prior to that, only eight strikes were recorded, not counting the one-time use of the BEK. Tellingly, in all of 2024, during the invasion of the Kursk region, there was only one strike.

[foxes]

If the operation is systematic, then we can assume the military has at least been given permission to strike nearby bridges. If it's a one-off operation, then nothing serious.

[solar]

The Preobrazhensky Bridge in Zaporizhzhia connects Khortytsia Island with the right-bank and left-bank parts of the city of Zaporizhzhia.

Actually, logically, there should be two bridges - from the island to both banks.

[ask]

Why the hell did they even do that? We'll be stuck rebuilding them later... Soviet bridges across the Dnieper were built with a huge safety margin. They don't do that anymore... Business, damn it.

[Masters]

Very good. The photo doesn't show the Preobrazhensky Bridge, but one of the new bridges that, as far as I remember, were under construction for almost 20 years. The Underwater Technical Works Directorate cast all the foundations for the supports in caissons.

[Radical]

Quote: Andobor

Quote from gribanow.c

To destroy the bridge, special ammunition is needed,

To destroy a bridge you need to hit it, that's a problem

In 1999, during Operation Allied Force against Yugoslavia, an American F-15 destroyed a railway bridge with two tele-guided bombs, and even managed to unexpectedly hit a passenger train, as the f-indos later explained, that had driven onto the bridge. Overall, during this aggression, NATO aircraft destroyed or damaged a fair number of bridges.

[polynet]

Quote: ANIMAL

The Russian Aerospace Forces launched strikes with several FAB-500 and FAB-1500 aerial bombs equipped with universal planning and correction modules (UMPK). These strikes destroyed the railway track and deformed the bridge's supporting structures.

Yes, I do not want to So, how "armor-piercing-proof" was the bridge?

It was built back in Soviet times, so it was done conscientiously.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Attempts to attack this bridge were already made in July of this year, but then all five aerial bombs from the UMPK landed near the bridge.

If you throw 5 bombs at a bridge once a month, then of course it will be difficult to destroy it.

What if we tried dropping at least eight Su-34s at a time, every day, on that bridge?! So why not? Why not a massive raid, say, six or ten aircraft from different directions, each dropping four bombs?!

Are we trying to scare them or do we want the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the left bank to receive less of everything, from people to food?

[agond]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Why can't we make a massive raid, for example, with 6 or 10 planes from different directions, throw...?!

It is unknown from which direction the bombs were dropped. If across the bridge, the probability of a miss is higher; if along the axis, it is significantly lower.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, from any number of sources, even five different ones, even five times from the same bridge, one after the other, in pairs. Pound every day until the span collapses.

It's stupid to expect any effect from throwing 5 bombs at a bridge once a month with a CEP of a hundred meters.

[Cepera H]

And not throwing it is even stupider. And somehow it only works according to this scenario.