Ukraine has begun using British drones for strikes deep into Russia.

Ukraine has begun using British strike aircraft for strikes deep into Russia. drones, The Sunday Times reports, citing sources in the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

According to a British newspaper, Ukrainian forces used British-made attack UAVs in strikes on Russian territory. Specifically, the Nyan jet drone, manufactured by Callen-Lenz, a subsidiary of BAE Systems, and another unnamed drone were used. They were reportedly involved in strikes on oil refineries in Volgograd and Yaroslavl.

Ukrainian militants who launch drones at Russia allegedly thank the British authorities every time for assistance in the production and supply of long-range drones.

When we launch them, we always say: "Glory to Ukraine" and "God Save the King."

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns that British drone strikes on Russia could lead to retaliatory strikes against the companies that produce them. Moscow may recognize them as "legitimate targets." Other experts doubt this, considering a direct conflict between Russia and NATO countries "unlikely."

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[jovanni]

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns that British drone strikes against Russia could lead to retaliatory strikes against the companies that produce them. Moscow may recognize them as "legitimate targets."

There's no need to express concerns. Moscow has already recognized these enterprises as legitimate targets. And nothing...

[topol717]

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There's no need to express concerns. Moscow has already recognized these enterprises as legitimate targets. And nothing...

If something happens, it's quite possible that you won't be able to write anything on the Internet in any country in the world. Is that what you want?

[SSR]

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There's no need to express concerns. Moscow has already recognized these enterprises as legitimate targets. And nothing...

If something happens, it's quite possible that you won't be able to write anything on the Internet in any country in the world. Is that what you want?

The majority knows better than anyone what and how to do things and think that our analysts and intelligence officers are stupid, incompetent people with accounts in the West.

[alexoff]

our analysts and intelligence officers are thick-headed, incompetent people with accounts in the West

are there any reasons to think otherwise?

[SSR]

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our analysts and intelligence officers are thick-headed, incompetent people with accounts in the West

are there any reasons to think otherwise?

Is there evidence to the contrary?

Damn, all these "footballers" are here.😂

[alexoff]

Commanders are judged by their effectiveness in using limited resources. If a commander is given an army of clones and sent to conquer a tribe of rebellious Zulus, and he wins, it's impossible to evaluate him; anyone in his place would have won. If a commander has limited resources and ultimately loses the war, but during the process, he makes a fantastic transition with limited resources and defeats a superior army at Cannae, then he is a military genius.
But if intelligence can't do anything, enemy strikes are always a surprise, no one knows about the increase in drone production and no response is prepared in advance, oil refineries have been hit for five years and each time the consequences are more severe for the country - then it's obvious that intelligence and analysts may be good, but they are simply much better on the other side.

[SSR]

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Commanders are judged by the effectiveness of their limited resources. If a commander is given an army of clones and sent to conquer a tribe of rebellious Zulus, and he wins, it's impossible to judge him.

Blah, blah, blah, NATO Zulus, are European resources counted as Zulu?
Every hundred years, having accumulated resources, they attacked, but what about now?

[alexoff]

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Every hundred years, having accumulated resources, they attacked, but what about now?

And now they've attacked, and we're not fighting back—we're just enduring it. The Foreign Ministry is sending inquiries—why are they fighting us? Trust is being undermined! And they're keeping all sorts of Gerasimovs in their headquarters to show them how not to fight. I won't even mention Naryshkin; he's built a Schrödinger-style intelligence service—it's not quite right, it's not quite right.

[Sarboz]

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The majority knows better than anyone what and how to do things and think that our analysts and intelligence officers are stupid, incompetent people with accounts in the West.

You don't want to cast pearls before swine. You give them your word, they give you ten.
I am more interested in the apparent inconsistency in the information published by The Sunday Times.

Specifically, the Nyan jet drone, manufactured by Callen-Lenz, a BAE Systems company, and another drone, the name of which has not been disclosed, were involved in the strikes on oil refineries in Volgograd and Yaroslavl.

It doesn't add up. The Nyan jet drone couldn't have been used in the attacks on either Yaroslavl or Volgograd. According to the manufacturer's initial information, its range was 150 km. However, later reports emerged that installing a second engine increased its range to 240 km.
It doesn't add up. It wasn't used in Yaroslavl and Volgograd. Only in the nearby border areas.

[LaraM]

that our analysts and intelligence officers are thick-headed mediocrities with accounts in the West.

Well, you're lying. They don't have accounts in the West, but in Dubai. And they're not talentless, but tolerant and cautious.

[patxi46]

Dubai es Occidente, aunque este en Oriente.

[Damask]

It is also possible to bring drones to this country for work or natural disasters.

[Graz]

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If something happens, it's quite possible that you won't be able to write anything on the Internet in any country in the world. Is that what you want?

With this attitude, you'll wait until this British drone reaches your house.

[Dilettante grandfather]

You won't be able to write anything on the Internet!

If the lack of internet is the price for the absence of England, France, Germany, Poland, Canada and the USA from the world map, I agree to live without internet for the rest of my life.

[Reptiloid]

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you won't be able to write anything.....

.....the absence of the Internet will be the price for the absence of England, France, Germany, Poland, Canada and the USA....I agree......

Never mind! For the sake of the absence of demons, we can write paper letters and watch TV... as long as these "partners" disappear.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Never mind! For the sake of the absence of demons, we can write paper letters and watch TV... as long as these "partners" disappear.

I completely share this point of view. For me, it's better to know you're no longer under threat and be offline than to know about threats but still be able to chat online.

[Reptiloid]

Knowing the results of various inventions will help us restore lost achievements more quickly. Perhaps then Russian computers and a Russian internet will emerge.

[zloybond]

Agreed. Give our diplomats 24 hours to flee the island, burn this barbaric country to the ground, and forget about the word "Britain." The others will shut up forever.

[private person]

Agreed. Give our diplomats 24 hours to flee the island, burn this barbaric country to the ground, and forget about the word "Britain."

Well, these parasitic diplomats are of no use in Russia. So they can be burned along with them. The main thing is the element of surprise.

[2 Level Advisor]

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If the lack of internet is the price for the absence of England, France, Germany, Poland, Canada and the USA from the world map, I agree to live without internet for the rest of my life.

For some reason it seems that the absence of the Russian Federation will also be added to this, so I am against it.

[Dilettante grandfather]

For some reason it seems that the absence of the Russian Federation will also be added to this

Hmm. I'd like to point out that our air defense and missile defense systems have demonstrated their operational readiness, including against serious targets. Given the difference in the combat readiness of NATO and Russian strategic forces, the quality and production time of both the launchers and warheads, I'm not sure the US and NATO would be capable of a reciprocal response to a full-scale nuclear strike. I predict a response of at most a third of NATO's entire nuclear arsenal, including the US. Certainly, a certain number of missiles could penetrate our missile defense system, but this wouldn't be critical for the country. Siberia and the Far East will definitely not be destroyed. In the European part, the loss of some cities is possible. But that's only part of the country, not all of Russia. So you're wrong.

[topol717]

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I would like to note that our air defense/missile defense has demonstrated its readiness to operate, including against serious targets.

So, that's why our oil refineries are damaged? And the Ukrainian cruise missiles reach Perm?

[Dilettante grandfather]

So, that's why our oil refineries are damaged?

And who said that private Should oil refineries be protected by the country's air defenses? Oil refinery owners should have been concerned about this long ago. If they chose not to spend money on it, that's their problem. Fuel shortages? Public transportation isn't available due to a lack of fuel; security services, police, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, and ambulances are all operating just fine. The LBPs also have no fuel shortages.

Do the Ukrainian cruise missiles reach Perm?

There's no need to flatter the Ukrainians. There are no "Ukrainian" cruise or non-cruise missiles. These are missiles from Europe, passing off as Ukrainian. And this fact makes me even more eager to see Europe go up in flames.

[topol717]

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Who said that private oil refineries should be protected by the country's air defense system?

Why do we need air defense at all then? What do you think it's supposed to cover? Just the Kremlin and the Duma?
And tell me how the refinery can buy, for example, a Pantsir, and where they're supposed to train the crew for it? We already had one PMC, and we all remember how that ended.

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There are no "Ukrainian" cruise or non-cruise missiles. These are missiles from Europe that are being passed off as Ukrainian.

How does this relate to your phrase?

I would like to note that our air defense/missile defense has demonstrated its readiness for work.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Why should the Armed Forces even protect private oil refineries, or, say, furniture factories? Important facilities—yes, air defense does. Say, Nizhny Tagil. But a private shop is a headache for the owner. Besides air defense systems, there are also passive defense methods. Anti-drone networks, for example. We have many private companies that have invested in these networks and protected their facilities. There's electronic warfare. How many oil refinery owners have installed electronic warfare systems near their private enterprises?
No, it's expensive, you have to buy it, install it, pay the installers... So why should the army close down these private shops?

[topol717]

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Why should the Armed Forces even cover up private oil refineries, or, say, furniture factories?

Who does the army serve? And who pays for its provisions and weapons? Where does it get its diesel fuel and oil? And the beds it sleeps on? And the clothes it wears?

[Dilettante grandfather]

Who does the army serve?

The people. But certainly not those who are capitalists and business owners and are unwilling to invest significant amounts of money in protecting their own enterprises.

[topol717]

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To the people.

I don't even want to read your nonsense.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Read the charter, what are the problems?

[bubalik]

Significant objects - yes, air defense covers them.

Is the Progress Rocket and Space Center (part of the Roscosmos State Corporation) a significant facility?

[Dilettante grandfather]

Is the Progress Rocket and Space Center (part of the Roscosmos State Corporation) a significant facility?

It depends on the purpose. It's not the most significant for the Second World War, despite the fact that they also contribute to the launch of a satellite constellation into space. During the Second World War, the Kalashnikov Concern is far more important. As are aircraft manufacturers and tank factories.

[Right hand of the eye]

You write nonsense... For general information -
Alice -

Oil refineries are indeed considered strategically important facilities, and the state takes serious measures to protect them. I would say this: it's not specifically stated in the constitution, but in fact Such plants are classified as critical infrastructure, and authorities are building an entire security system around them.
Why is this so? Oil refineries have a number of characteristics that make them particularly important:
Key role in the economy and energy.
Refineries supply the country with petroleum products—without them, transportation, industry, and utilities cannot function. A disruption to their operation impacts the economy and creates social risks.
Hazardous industrial processes. Factories contain numerous fire- and explosion-hazardous substances, complex process units, and fuel tanks. Damage to such facilities can result not only in production shutdowns but also in a major accident and environmental damage.
Modern threats.
In recent years, protection against drone attacks has become particularly relevant.
How does the state implement this?
Special laws are being adopted. For example, in Russia, Federal Law No. 256-FZ of July 21, 2011, "On the Security of Fuel and Energy Complex Facilities" is in effect. It establishes the legal and organizational framework for preventing acts of illegal interference, etc.
Comprehensive security measures are being implemented. This includes not only physical perimeter security but also technical solutions (electronic warfare systems, anti-aircraft systems, and engineered barriers), as well as organizational measures: risk analysis, unified security command centers, clear response scenarios for personnel, and regular training. Sometimes, security is provided not only by departmental security, but also by reservists, and in certain cases, by departmental fire teams.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Dear Sir, It's immediately obvious that you are still quite young.
Do you seriously think that all these Alice, GigaChat, and Wikipedia are serious sources?
I'm not going to look at anything that isn't an official document.
I know the orders. And everyone can see how they are carried out.
I'm talking about something else. Please point me to the oil refinery that's state-owned. There aren't any. It's private property. And private property is the responsibility of its owners, not the Armed Forces. The Armed Forces protect the country's territory, not the facilities that belong to someone there. Yes, fuel, like electricity, is important. But that's no reason for the owners of these facilities to blame the state. Protecting their personal property is the responsibility of the owner, not the state.

[Right hand of the eye]

You know, I knew without Alisa that oil refineries are strategically important facilities, ensuring the normal functioning of the country's economic, transport, and other systems, and naturally, they are under special protection by state security agencies. But for those who don't know, I've provided Alisa's digested information. If you have any evidence to refute the presented facts—that oil refineries are guarded by government agencies, that they are critical infrastructure facilities, meaning the state should protect them, etc.—refute them factually. Otherwise, please keep your amateurish and ignorant opinions on this topic to yourself. There's no need to argue with information supported by objective facts, common sense, logic, etc.
And, you see, there's no need to rely on my youth as a fact that proves I'm wrong... Sometimes, even a child is smarter and more knowledgeable in some ways than an adult... In short, it's a stupid and cheap trick...

[Dilettante grandfather]

It was an extremely cheap and amateurish ploy on your part to cite a neural network. You could have also cited Ukrainian sources; I don't see the difference.

[Right hand of the eye]

(Face-to-face). I'm not referring to a neural network, but to the information it extracts from various information sources... I could have sifted through a bunch of websites and the like myself and found this... but that's why AI (in this case, Alice) is given to us to help, so that, based on the search parameters I specify, it can find and bring me what I need.
And once again, there is something to dispute actually Go ahead and share the information from Alice that I presented, otherwise all your unfounded blah-blah-blah about Alice lying and so on is worthless and looks really stupid, by the way.

[Dilettante grandfather]

So you haven't provided anything to dispute. Just some neural network chatter. Not a single official document, just chatter.

[Right hand of the eye]

Yeah, it's a tough case - "I look at the book and see a fig"...
You wrote, "Why should the state cover up private oil refineries, etc." To which I provided you with information that explains why (that they are critical infrastructure facilities, etc.) and that the state, naturally, should and does protect them... There's a reference to the law and an explanation of why it should cover them, how this is done in practice, etc. I think a reasonable person would have enough information to understand the "why."
But I see you're just a windbag who's fallen into disrepute and is now squirming around like a snake in a frying pan, just to avoid honestly admitting your ignorance in this area. I see no point in continuing the conversation with someone incapable of constructive, objective dialogue, who refutes any arguments and facts proving his ignorance with such stupid and empty slogans as "you're lying," "you haven't proven anything," and so on.
Basically, go in peace and find someone you're comfortable with. I'm not interested in people like that.

[Kerensky]

But this is no reason for the owners of these properties to blame the state. Protecting their personal property is the owner's responsibility, not the state's.

"- Why should I protect you?!
- Because you have shoulder straps, and I don’t...” (C)

[Arhat109]

If these facilities (refineries) are part of the country's critical infrastructure, then questions arise about our doctrine. So the question of the existence of countries like England, France, Germany, and Poland remains open.
Let me remind you that somewhere out there, the shelf life and operational life of the Tomahawks is ending, of which there are either 4500 or 7500... Is no one interested in where they will be disposed of after the air defense system is opened and critical infrastructure is partially destroyed?

[Kerensky]

The same anti-drone networks. Do we have many private companies that have invested in these networks and protected their facilities?

A private individual does not have the right to purchase a network himself (only from the list) and install it himself (installers on the second list).
And also according to the project that will be drawn up... approved...

[Dilettante grandfather]

A private individual does not have the right to purchase a network himself (only from the list) and install it himself (installers on the second list).
And also according to the project that will be drawn up... approved...

So what? There's a possibility. Why isn't it installed? Is it more expensive than the potential damage? No.

[Kerensky]

So what? There's a possibility. Why aren't they installing it?

They are installing.
There simply isn't enough space here to describe all the bureaucratic procedures involved. And my thoughts on the question of where to get the funds.

[alexoff]

private oil refineries

Are Rosneft and Gazprom refineries private?

[Dilettante grandfather]

Are there any doubts? Is there 100% government presence there?

[alexoff]

These are strategic objects with significant state participation.

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Is there 100% government presence there?

75% of Kalashnikov's shares belong to former Deputy Transport Minister Lushnikov, so is he privately owned? Like many other Russian defense industry enterprises.

[Dilettante grandfather]

75% of Kalashnikov's shares belong to former Deputy Transport Minister Lushnikov, so is he privately owned? Like many other Russian defense industry enterprises.

Maybe they do. I haven't checked. You, by the way, also wrote this without documentary evidence, but that's beside the point.
The point is that Kalashnikov Concern's facilities, oddly enough, aren't suffering damage. From drones and missiles. Perhaps because they're protected?
Here, the authorities own nothing at all. This is a very convenient position, by the way.
But that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is that it's the owners, not the state, who should protect their businesses. The state, and therefore the army, defends the country's integrity, and, as is now the case, they're trying to eliminate threats to what they're supposed to protect.
It doesn't always work, otherwise people wouldn't die. And this is where I'm ready to criticize both the Armed Forces and the authorities. Air defense should protect all areas where there's a threat. But there's no adequate defense for the Kursk, Bryansk, and DPR regions.

[alexoff]

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By the way, you also wrote this without any documentary evidence.

This is not secret information at all, it's all in open sources.

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And that it is the owners, not the state, who should protect their businesses.

The state must make every effort to protect itself; that's the main reason the state exists—not to collect taxes. A company can do something about fire safety so the entire warehouse doesn't burn down, but a doctor of warehouse sciences spent a long time explaining to me that replacing every fourth or fifth rack in a warehouse with a firewall is simply impossible. Redistributing 20% ​​of the warehouse's inventory requires more resources than building a new warehouse. Managers will all suffer strokes, and the loaders will develop schizophrenia and die in agony.

[Dilettante grandfather]

the state must make every effort to protect,

The state must make every effort to protect its territory and its citizens, not to protect private enterprises. The state is the territory and the population. Any buildings or businesses no longer fall under the definition of the state: they are a superstructure. The same applies to water pipes, electricity grids, and even a recreational park with a carousel.

[alexoff]

Businesses are located in the territories and provide jobs for the population. Not the forest, which is the territory.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Business is not the state's concern. The government withdrew its control over business after the coup and the betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
In the USSR, the state—that is, the authorities, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union—controlled everything except, of course, swindlers and crooks. This included production. After the betrayal, a different structure emerged: the authorities don't interfere in business or in the people's livelihoods. As long as they pay their taxes and comply with the laws the authorities have created. So what does the authorities have to do with private businesses suffering losses? Yes, they can provide support, or they can choose not to. They are not obligated to.

[alexoff]

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The authorities withdrew from control of business after the coup and betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

Yes, of course, maybe the authorities have already withdrawn from the matter of squeezing out the most profitable businesses?

[bubalik]

Oil refinery owners should have been concerned about this problem a long time ago.

The Federal Law of March 23, 2026, amending the Federal Law "On Weapons," permitted private security companies at oil refineries to use combat firearms. However, this permit is valid only during the period of the Special Military Operation (SVO). Weapons may only be borrowed temporarily from the Russian National Guard. There are also strict limits on the number of weapons and stringent training requirements for private security company employees.
To shoot down an aircraft-type UAV with 100 kg of TNT, at a minimum, large-caliber rapid-fire systems and automatic long-barreled weapons are required.

So how can private companies protect oil refineries?

[Dilettante grandfather]

1. Passive defense systems. Networks, electronic warfare. Rostec, I believe, recently presented equipment for protecting facilities; there was some news here on VO.
2. Taking firearms "for temporary use," as the law states. Along with trained shooters. Is it allowed? It is. Do they take them? But here's the question... Because money has to be paid.
It all comes down to the fact that no one is really willing to pay money to protect their own businesses. And no money, no protection.

[novel66]

The worst part is that they're still getting there. This means that reconnaissance can't report accurately, and they can't be destroyed as they approach.

[Dilettante grandfather]

The main thing is that the air defense is working on the LBP. The main thing is that they don't get there.

[Carmela]

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There's no need to flatter the Ukrainians. There are no "Ukrainian" cruise or non-cruise missiles. These are missiles from Europe, passing off as Ukrainian. And this fact makes me even more eager to see Europe go up in flames.

Is it possible to do without nuclear weapons? It seems a bit scary.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Is it possible to do without nuclear weapons? It seems a bit scary.

I don't think so. Because England has been doing us harm for centuries. The problem needs to be resolved once and for all.
France - what's there to feel sorry for if they are against Russia's existence?
Germany has long preached revanchism for the defeat of the Wehrmacht and the Nazis.
Poland – you should definitely feel sorry for them, right? The main supplier of weapons to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the main instigator.
They must be beaten. Beaten so hard they won't recover even in a thousand years.

[LaraM]

If they chose not to spend money on it, that's their problem.

That's for sure. They're just trying to get in there with their little candle factories, you see. Tomorrow, some old man's house will be burned down by enemies, and he won't say a word. He won't go to the district executive committee asking for a new house. He'll build a new one himself, using his pension.

[Sarboz]

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I would like to note that our air defense/missile defense has demonstrated its readiness to operate, including against serious targets.

So, that's why our oil refineries are damaged? And the Ukrainian cruise missiles reach Perm?

Yes, several drones fly in and cause damage to private and apartment buildings, and some infrastructure facilities.
But you're forgetting that every day, the Ukrainian Armed Forces launch between 1000 and 1500 fixed-wing drones, a dozen cruise missiles, plus KABs and other unmanned aerial vehicles at our rear. Here, we cited data from our British "comrades" about a 9% miss rate for our air defenses. That means that every day, 90-135 drones should hit their designated targets: oil refineries, defense plants, logistics centers. Can you imagine the scale of destruction and fires that would cause complete collapse in our rear areas, say, in a month? 2700-4050 hits per month? Is that realistic?
In fact, our air defenses are very effective. Most of the drones are shot down in the border zone. For example, last night, six hundred drones were launched at Moscow. The majority—about 400—were shot down in the border area. And 200 were shot down directly on the outskirts of Moscow. Did even one penetrate the capital?

[2 Level Advisor]

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I would like to note that our air defense/missile defense has demonstrated its readiness to operate, including against serious targets.

Well... the fact is that it's ready, the question is that the "wreckage" is still burning...

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I'm not sure that the US and NATO will be able to respond in kind to a full-scale nuclear strike.

When it comes to destroying an entire country, you can't be "not sure"... you can only be "sure," but there's no such certainty...

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Undoubtedly, a certain number of missiles could penetrate our missile defense system, but this would not be critical for the country.

Are you kidding? Any missile defense system can only shoot down a few missiles—that's what it's designed for. A massive strike would be useless, and besides, it only covers Moscow...

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Siberia and the Far East will definitely not be destroyed.

Great... They'll be useful to China, because without the European part of the country, these regions won't be able to pull themselves together, let alone restore the European part, unless they declare independence (and what's there? They'll demolish the industrial complex there, too). 16% of the country's population lives in the Far East and Siberia, by the way. 23 million in total...
The picture doesn't look very good, Andrey.

[Dilettante grandfather]

I don't intend to continue the debate on the topic of "what if..."
Who told you that air defense/missile defense protects only Moscow? He's not your friend, don't trust him. There are several air defense regiments stationed around my city. In the Urals.

Well... the fact is that it's ready, the question is that the "wreckage" is still burning...

It's not the debris that burns, but the warheads falling with it that detonate. Just because a drone shatters into pieces doesn't mean the warhead self-destructed immediately.

They'll be useful to China, because without the European part of the country, these regions won't be able to pull themselves together, let alone restore the European part, unless they declare independence (and what's there—they'll demolish the industrial complex there, too). By the way, 16% of the country's population lives in the Far East and Siberia. That's 23 million in total.
The picture doesn't look very good, Andrey.

I'll put it this way. It's well known that the European part of the country has more cities and population. It's obvious that Russia can survive without the European part, albeit with difficulties. But it's definitely not the European part that should be considered Russia. The Urals can survive without Moscow. Siberia and the Far East can survive. Even without St. Petersburg and Moscow, Russia won't fall apart. But with Moscow and St. Petersburg, but without the Urals, Siberia, and the Far East, the country will have colossal problems.

[2 Level Advisor]

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Who told you that air defense/missile defense only protects Moscow?

There's a significant difference between missile defense and air defense, and there's no missile defense anywhere except Moscow. Your regiments can't shoot down nuclear warheads, but planes can.

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If the drone was blown to pieces, this does not mean that the warhead immediately self-destructed.

Oh... it turns out what they say on TV is true - everyone shoots down everything, and this is just debris? It's a shame that in the hundreds of videos I've seen, the debris is still stuck together and the BGs are falling on their targets.

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Even having lost St. Petersburg and Moscow, Russia will not fall apart.

This is assuming nuclear missiles won't fly over Siberia from the Far East. Why wouldn't they? There are plenty of strategic targets there. And with 20 million people and beyond the Urals, it wouldn't be Russia anymore, but a poor, cold state under Chinese vassalage, at the very least. It's still a pretty bad picture to trade for the USA or anything like that. I'm not exactly a samurai or kamikaze, but I'm not exactly eager to sign up, and I think 95% of the country's population isn't either.

[Dilettante grandfather]

And with 20 million people and beyond the Urals, it will no longer be Russia, but a poor, cold state under the vassalage of China, at the very least.

Well, first of all, as I understand it, you just described me as a slave to the PRC. And everyone who lives in Siberia and the Far East, too. Secondly, "a poor and cold country" with a developed industry, specifically in the Urals, sounds a bit odd. Thirdly, both the Urals and the Far East are protected by air defense and missile defense regiments. And not just Moscow.

I'm into samurai and kamikaze, but I'm not really eager to sign up.

So they won't hire you. You lack the mental acuity, the sharpness of thought, or the analytical skills, so you won't make a ninja or the last samurai.

[2 Level Advisor]

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protected by air defense/missile defense regiments.

In general, you are out of the loop, as I understand it... ABM missiles are not the S-300 or the S-400... they are the A-135 and they are not available anywhere except Moscow... Now you know about ABM and will no longer confuse it with air defense, it is not a military secret...

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You don’t have the right way of thinking, the sharpness of your thinking, or the ability to analyze

Well, of course, they'll only take you, the one who possesses all these qualities... I'm glad that I was able to communicate at least a little with such an enlightened person, because he immediately writes off everyone who disagrees with him as inferior... even just because they don't dream of dying with a proud smile on their face, but just want to live like a normal person

[Dilettante grandfather]

In general, you are out of the loop, as I understand it.

Of course of course.

This is an A-135 and they are not found anywhere except in Moscow... Now you know about the missile defense system and will no longer confuse it with the air defense system, it is not a military secret.

Thank you very much! Can you tell me what the A-135 is? I know the S-500, but the A-135...

Well, of course, they'll only take you.

They won't hire me anywhere anymore.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

Can you tell me what the A-135 is?

This is a missile from the Russian missile defense system, and your question shows that you don't have the highest level of knowledge about missile defense, but that doesn't stop you from arguing about it.

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

They won't hire me anywhere anymore.

Oh, come on, everyone can be taken somewhere while they're alive... and then, in principle... now, it's partly clear where your fearlessness in front of nuclear weapons comes from

[LaraM]

But with Moscow and St. Petersburg, but without the Urals, Siberia and the Far East, the country will have colossal problems.

Never mind...there's so much land lying around in Zaryadye, they'll plant potatoes, survive...they'll learn to work with their hands, they can't spend all their time speculating on the stock exchange and chasing Asians.

[Carmela]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

Certainly, a certain number of missiles could penetrate our missile defense system, but this wouldn't be critical for the country. Siberia and the Far East would definitely not be destroyed. In the European part, the loss of some cities is possible. But this is only part of the country, not all of Russia.

I don't think any of us would want to end up in a burnt-out city.

[Dilettante grandfather]

I don't think any of us would want to end up in a burnt-out city.

Why? We're all mortal, so what difference does it make? I served in the Soviet Strategic Missile Forces. And the order was this: after a launch, pack up quickly and run. A forced march as far away from the launch site as possible. If we're lucky, the officers added, we'll have time to act as guerrillas.
I don't understand the fundamental difference between how you die. In bed, on the run, or in the city from a nuclear strike. Either way, it's death. And, in my opinion, better immediately. Not slowly, bedridden.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

And not slowly, bedridden.

If you don't burn up right away, then from radiation - that's roughly what death is like.

[Carmela]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

I don't understand the fundamental difference between how you die. In bed, on the run, or in the city from a nuclear strike. Either way, it's death. And, in my opinion, better immediately. Not slowly, bedridden.

You, Grandpa, are old, you don't care. But the young could live long and happily, raise children, build houses and roads, plant gardens and forest belts.

[Dilettante grandfather]

And the young people could live long and happily, raise children, build houses and roads, plant gardens and forest belts.

They could have. Or they might not have lived. It's a matter of luck.
Let me note that everyone dies. No one has yet become immortal.

[private person]

Hmm. I'd like to point out that our air defense/missile defense has demonstrated its readiness to operate, including against serious targets.

Well, yes, Cheboksary, Samara and others won’t lie. They bring out what makes Russia proud: electronics and cosmonautics.

[AlexSam]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

The absence of the Russian Federation will also be added to this, so I am against it.

Don't you need a ticket to heaven? Do you want to hang out in purgatory with all these democratic and nationalist kami?

P.S. For the turbopatriots: that was sarcasm.

[SSR]

Quote: 2 level advisor

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

If the lack of internet is the price for the absence of England, France, Germany, Poland, Canada and the USA from the world map, I agree to live without internet for the rest of my life.

For some reason it seems that the absence of the Russian Federation will also be added to this, so I am against it.

Our "footballers" won't agree, they'll immediately be in tatters, old men, without tatters they don't see any options, although they already exist.

[topol717]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

If the lack of internet is the price for the absence of England, France, Germany, Poland, Canada and the USA from the world map

Well, how are you any different from Hitler, who hated Jews? You're Anglo-Saxons, what's the difference?

[Dilettante grandfather]

Well, how are you any different from Hitler, who hated Jews? You're Anglo-Saxons, what's the difference?

The British have been waging war against us for a long time. There are enough casualties among our civilians and military personnel to strike back. And to inflict such a blow on England, our enemy, that nothing would remain of it. I understand why the president is not going to do this, and most likely will not. But I will not ignore what the majority of my compatriots across the country are thinking. I'll go further: if a referendum were held in Russia today on whether to attack or not to attack, 75 percent would vote for destroying the enemy, wherever he may be. And even if the internet were to disappear forever afterward, that wouldn't stop anyone.

[Fan-fan]

for the destruction of the enemy

Don't you understand that in response they will destroy us?

[Dilettante grandfather]

Don't you understand that in response they will destroy us?

Could you be more specific? Who will destroy them, and with what? How many operational nuclear weapons carriers do they have, and how many warheads are ready for immediate launch? Just don't try to tell me that every Minuteman launches within seconds. They've been in service, God forgive me, for 50 years, if not more. At least a third of these missiles won't hit their targets. Ballistics should be replaced at least every 10-15 years. I'm not talking about replacing the fuel, I'm talking about replacing both the carrier and the warhead. And if, as the Americans have been doing all this time, they simply test and replace the fuel, then the rudders will rust and the wire insulation will dry out.

[Fan-fan]

Could you be more specific? Who will destroy it, and with what?

1. The US alone has 14 strategic missile carriers armed with 24 Trident II ballistic missiles with 8 or 14 warheads (that’s 2688 or 4704 nuclear charges).
2. 4 boats carry 154 cruise missiles each (that's 616 warheads)
3. Europe is stuffed with US nuclear bombs
4. The Europeans themselves have about 500 nuclear charges.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Please learn about Trident. Once you've learned it, please contact us.

[LaraM]

And even if the Internet were to disappear forever after this, it wouldn't stop anyone.

Naturally. I don't give a damn about the internet, really. We've lived without it for centuries and done just fine. Let it go. What's stopping me is something else: we'll all go down the drain.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Something else stops us: we will all perish.

You won't believe it, of course, but everyone dies.

[Valery Demchenko]

Are you suggesting to love them?

[topol717]

Quote: Valery Demchenko

Are you suggesting to love them?

Why is it that for you (not you specifically, but so many here) the world is always black and white. Either friend or foe? Either love or kill? Is the gray middle even considered in any way?

[SSR]

Quote from: topol717

Quote: Valery Demchenko

Are you suggesting to love them?

Why is it that for you (not you specifically, but so many here) the world is always black and white. Either friend or foe? Either love or kill? Is the gray middle even considered in any way?

Because the internet won't give you change.
Ps.
With the gas shortage. How many whiners have changed their tune?
They chatter, criticize everyone, and remember Stalin.
They just don’t write about what would have happened to them in his time.
We would have worked at least two shifts.

[AlexSam]

Quote from: topol717

Well, how are you any different from Hitler, who hated Jews? You're Anglo-Saxons, what's the difference?

So, they can hate someone, but we are only allowed to kiss everyone's ass and turn our cheeks?

[topol717]

Quote: AlexSam

So, they can hate someone, but we are only allowed to kiss everyone's ass and turn our cheeks?

Who told you that someone hates you? You just got something into your head and think it's right.
Hitler also believed that the Jews hated him, so they all had to be killed.

[AlexSam]

For God's sake, everyone loves everyone there, especially us Russians. I can't speak for the Jews, but I suppose they do too, if that makes you feel any better.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: AlexSam

For God's sake, everyone loves everyone there, especially us Russians. I can't speak for the Jews, but I suppose they do too, if that makes you feel any better.

Having interacted with foreigners quite a bit, I haven't noticed any hatred, more friendliness. And someone like John from Iowa doesn't even think about the Russian Federation more than a couple of times a year, or even less, not to mention hatred. Simply put, most foreigners couldn't care less about the Russian Federation—whether it exists or not. We have far more thoughts planted in our heads by TV—"they all need to be killed, there are enemies all around, they want to kill us, capture us, etc."—although many negative things can be explained quite simply by the machinations of enemies.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Hitler also believed that the Jews hated him, so they all had to be killed.

You apparently don't know why the Nazis exterminated the Jews...
And if you look at what Israel is doing now to Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, I don't think the Jews are any different from the Nazis. The Nazis sought to exterminate Jews and Slavs, while the Jews are exterminating Arabs. I don't see the difference.

[Motorist]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

If the lack of internet is the price for the absence of England, France, Germany, Poland, Canada and the USA from the world map

Let's leave Germany alone—there are a lot of our guys there. Comrade Fachmann even writes articles for VO.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Let's leave Germany - there are many of our people there.

No problem.
As soon as those same Germans of ours convince their government that the revival of Nazism and attacks on Russia are bad, as soon as they remember Bismarck's warning and that Barbarossa drowned in some river while waging war against us, and that Hitler came to a bad end—no problem. Let them live together with Germany.

[Motorist]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

As soon as these same people of ours in Germany bring their government to its senses

Let's see the results of the upcoming elections (there). If the movement in the right direction accelerates, then we just have to wait. Our numbers are still smaller, but theirs are starting to see the light, too.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Let's see the results of the upcoming elections (there)

Let's see, I'm not against it. I just strongly suspect that the Alternative for Germany will still be suppressed, and the other parties there are not our friends.

[Derbenev Anton]

If something happens, it's quite possible that you won't be able to write anything on the Internet in any country in the world. Is that what you want?

Why are you defending Nazi collaborators who produce drones that kill Russian citizens?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Anton Derbenev

Why are you defending Nazi collaborators who produce drones that kill Russian citizens?

Are you talking about China? 80% of the drones in the SVO are from there...

[Derbenev Anton]

"Our countries are close neighbors, bound by centuries-old traditions of friendship and trust. And we highly appreciate that the Russian-Chinese relations of comprehensive partnership and strategic interaction, entering a new era, have reached an unprecedented level and become a model of efficiency, responsibility, and a focus on the future." V.V. Putin

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Anton Derbenev

"Our countries are close neighbors, bound by centuries-old traditions of friendship and trust. And we highly appreciate that the Russian-Chinese relations of comprehensive partnership and strategic interaction, entering a new era, have reached an unprecedented level and become a model of efficiency, responsibility, and a focus on the future." V.V. Putin

So, can we supply them with drones as a friend?

[Derbenev Anton]

Well, now you have answered for yourself what SVO is.

[belovvladimir]

Your reasoning is strange: Iran attacked bases and everything is calm, but now, what do you think, after the attack on English enterprises, you will have nothing to write about!?

[topol717]

Quote: belovvladimir

Your reasoning is strange, Iran attacked the bases and everything is calm,

What bases? Or do you think Kuwait has an army? Or the Emirates has an army? Or Iraq?

[fruc]

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns

Their fears must be justified; there are plenty of targets to strike in the world.

[figwam]

Strike British territory with our drones, and the launch was carried out by former military personnel from the outskirts who defected to our side—there are already more than 1000 of them. If the West plays dumb and pretends it's not them, then we'll play dumb too.

[fruc]

The British have military bases and logistics centers in the Indian Ocean, the Mediterranean, Africa, and the Middle East. Why not target England itself?

[Fedor Sokolov]

Well, that depends! For example, last year, 2025, a powerful explosion rocked a military plant in the English town of Swindon, forcing the evacuation of residents from nearby areas. Residents were confused as to why the United Kingdom was supporting military operations on Ukrainian territory. Ordinary Britons were beginning to understand that the British government's policies were effectively drawing their country into a confrontation with Russia. A year earlier, an explosion rocked BAE Systems, the oldest military plant in Wales, built in 1940. On July 25, 2026, a powerful explosion occurred at the plant in the British county of Essex. A fire and subsequent detonations nearly destroyed the production complex, and authorities urged residents to stay away from the area and keep windows closed. The cause of the explosion is still unknown.

[ser-pov]

Another group of experts doubts this, considering a direct conflict between Russia and NATO countries “unlikely.”

This is what Leopold's position leads to...

[WILL]

The drone in question is the Nyan jet drone from Callen-Lenz, a BAE Systems company, as well as another one whose name has not been disclosed. It is emphasized that they participated in the strikes on oil refineries in Volgograd and Yaroslavl.

Tell me, why hasn't the plant producing these drones been damaged yet? Why hasn't a single British oil refinery caught fire? They are waging war on us (with the hands of the Ukrainians), and we are smiling and waving...

[Mazunga]

200 of our citizens permanently reside in the UK. Do you want to see our people hit? We can slam it, but...there aren't many of our people in Zimbabwe.

[WILL]

Quote from Mazunga

200 of our citizens permanently reside in the UK. Do you want to see our people hit? We can slam it, but...there aren't many of our people in Zimbabwe.

Are these really "our" citizens? Somehow I don’t feel deep sympathy or common interests towards them.

[Lukas]

That's right. Our citizens are at home.

[Voenoboz]

These are no longer our citizens, let them scratch their heads.

[AlexSam]

Quote from Mazunga

200 thousand of our citizens permanently reside in the UK

And not just citizens, but the most worthy citizens, who through the backbreaking labor of their husbands, fathers and lovers have earned the right to live there!

[Hole puncher]

Quote: ANIMAL

Tell me, why has the plant that produces these UAVs not suffered any damage yet?

For the same reason why Chinese factories producing drones for the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not suffer.

[Denissdaf]

Because the real picture of the world order is not the one that has been instilled in us through propaganda for the last 35 years.

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: ANIMAL

The drone in question is the Nyan jet drone from Callen-Lenz, a BAE Systems company, as well as another one whose name has not been disclosed. It is emphasized that they participated in the strikes on oil refineries in Volgograd and Yaroslavl.

Tell me, why hasn't the plant producing these drones been damaged yet? Why hasn't a single British oil refinery caught fire? They are waging war on us (with the hands of the Ukrainians), and we are smiling and waving...

As the Foreign Ministry recently stated, we're committed to the Anchorage fart. The West is tired of laughing at such persistent stupidity.

[Mazunga]

Yes, there is no stupidity, they play their roles, but there is no bottom there.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: ANIMAL

Tell me, why hasn't the factory producing these drones been damaged yet? Why hasn't a single British refinery caught fire? They're waging war on us (through the Ukrainians), and yet we're smiling and waving...

In war, you need to take actions that help you win. Are you so sure that entering the conflict—directly, with Britain and the Dominions (and perhaps even NATO)—will improve the current situation? How will it improve it? Let's just launch nuclear strikes against NATO in response to the drones? I'm taking a shortcut, because after striking the factories, we'll end up using nuclear weapons anyway... yes... and we mustn't forget China—the Ukrainian Armed Forces are receiving far more drones from there than from Britain, and by your logic, China should be the first target...

[WILL]

For starters, China has stopped direct UAV deliveries to Ukraine; everything that gets there is shipped through third countries. The Chinese are profiteers; that's how they make their money.
Second, a sabotage war doesn't involve open combat; you have to do what you can and not get caught. And if we're to blame, well, everyone's already blaming us! And if the factory burned down, that's where it deserves to be!

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: ANIMAL

And so the factory burned down - that's where it deserves to go!

I shortened the path to nuclear weapons, but you decided to do it gradually, step by step? Okay, for starters, they'll start supplying not only drones in response in greater quantities, but also an unlimited amount of everything else, including airplanes. Will that make things easier for us?

[WILL]

So what if they actually can deliver something they haven't delivered yet? They've cleared out all their arsenals and started reviving their military-industrial complex for the Ukrainians. And it all started with first aid kits, helmets, and body armor.
We can't play a one-sided game; they're already at war with us, even supplying their own fighters. So let them get what they deserve.

[Fan-fan]

What else can they actually supply?

1. Tomahawk long-range cruise missiles
2. Licenses for the production of PAC-3 missiles for Patriot systems
3. The full volume of requested Patriot anti-aircraft systems and others.
4. The full scope of the requested missile systems ATACMS, Storm Shadow, etc.
I can list more

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: ANIMAL

So what if they actually can deliver something they haven't delivered yet? They've cleared out all their arsenals and started reviving their military-industrial complex for the Ukrainians.

You're mistaken. The bulk of the delivered weapons are either old or in storage, or about to be put there. No modern tanks or aircraft were delivered. And of the modern weapons delivered, probably 10 times less than they could, but the armies simply don't want to really disarm them. If there are 10 times more missiles, aircraft, and air defense systems than there are now, plus they can buy a bunch of other stuff from other countries... And? Will that really improve the situation? Even just a hundred or two armed aircraft will make our lives easier?

[AlexSam]

Quote: ANIMAL

The drone in question is the Nyan jet drone from Callen-Lenz, a BAE Systems company, as well as another one whose name has not been disclosed. It is emphasized that they participated in the strikes on oil refineries in Volgograd and Yaroslavl.

Tell me, why hasn't the plant producing these drones been damaged yet? Why hasn't a single British oil refinery caught fire? They are waging war on us (with the hands of the Ukrainians), and we are smiling and waving...

Because they are taboo for those who smile and wave at all kinds of meetings, consultations, visits and other gatherings.

[dFG]

This will continue indefinitely until... the people's militias of the DPR and LPR acquire Zircon missiles with conventional warheads, and these conventional warheads start blowing up drone factories. After all, no one will argue that the war with NATO is already underway, still with conventional weapons, so maybe it's time to respond specifically to England.

[batmanxnumx]

There have been no "people's militias of the DPR and LPR" for a very long time now. It's been about four years now.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: dfg

After all, no one will argue that the war with NATO is already underway.

I will... the war with NATO is nowhere near, and this term was invented to reassure people when asking questions like, "Why have we been at war with the Ukrainian Armed Forces for five years?" Because NATO... and everything is clear to the average person.

[silverwolf88]

It would be good to give the military-industrial complex a good thrashing, even with a warning from the UN rostrum about 12 hours in advance.
This would be extremely useful.

[rusich]

It's high time to turn "foggy Albion" into "underwater Albion." The Anglo-Saxons don't understand it any other way.

[APR2017]

I wonder...can this (massive strikes on the country's rear areas and the loss of civilian life) be considered a transfer of military operations to Russian territory? And can we already begin fighting and striking at 404 and its "residents," according to the recently adopted Russian doctrine? Or, again, not at the 21st level, and that's fine!

[AndreyN]

If they didn't understand
1) Deorbit Britain's satellites
2) Cut off the island from all underwater cables.
3) Flood the Channel Tunnel
and then the factories don't understand.

[topol717]

Quote: AndreyN

If they didn't understand

We can't really defeat the Ukrainian army, and you want to get involved in a war with all of NATO. Well, well, that's a very smart plan.

[paul3390]

Why, say, hasn't the IRA yet launched Russian drone strikes against targets in the UK?

[Metallurg_2]

The IRA has been deflated and abandoned armed struggle for a couple of decades now.

[gribanov.c]

Ah, so to achieve this, we need to work hard—decades of painstaking military and diplomatic work, foreign intelligence, and the consistent building and winning of our place in the world, together with our allies. Modern Russia has had none of this, and has none of it. and there won't be, Because we have a social and political system that doesn't need it. In short, the essence of this system of power is that its main goal is itself (power, as a collective bureaucracy), and everything else, internally and especially externally, is of little or no use to it.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: paul3390

Why, say, hasn't the IRA yet launched Russian drone strikes against targets in the UK?

Have you recently come out of a coma?

[foxes]

Judging by the comments, he is not the only one.

[Alexey Lantukh]

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns that British drone strikes on Russia could lead to retaliatory strikes against the companies that produce them. Moscow may recognize them as "legitimate targets." Other experts doubt this, considering a direct conflict between Russia and NATO countries "unlikely."

Which is better: a nuclear strike on Ukrainian military-industrial targets or a conventional strike on British targets with a higher risk of a Russia-NATO nuclear war? Ukraine should be attacked, especially since it aligns with our nuclear strategy.

[Lykases1]

So why a nuclear strike on Ukraine? What will it achieve? Millions of dead civilians. A breakthrough of the front? It can be broken through in other ways – you need a clear objective and a seven- to eightfold increase in personnel. With the appropriate weapons, of course. The troops will need tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and armored personnel carriers. The Soviet Union was preparing for a world war. We don't know what we have.

[Alexey Lantukh]

We need a clear task and a 7-8-fold increase in personnel.

Probably not 7-8 times, but more likely 2-4 times. As for the use of nuclear weapons, the General Staff certainly has materials on warfare under nuclear strikes. As for millions of civilians killed, that's an exaggeration, although hundreds of thousands are possible, even in the case of targeted use against military-industrial facilities.

[Lykases1]

Ukraine is the largest country in Europe. A surplus wouldn't hurt. But we need a clear goal—what exactly are we after? Conquering territory or something else. As for striking England, that's possible, but we need to understand they might respond. That means warning them that if they respond, several thousand warheads will be incoming. But the risk remains.

[Dilettante grandfather]

What is better: a nuclear strike on Ukrainian military-industrial targets or a conventional strike on targets in Britain with a higher risk of a Russia-NATO nuclear war?

A nuclear strike on targets in England would be better. And a couple of Poseidons along the coast. It's high time to turn the English Channel into a proper, fully functioning sea. The island is in the way.

[oleg_627]

Iran would have shut down their factories long ago, but we have a bunch of oligarchs grazing there and a crowd of families of bosses and ministers, and we can’t hit our own

[Victor Leningradets]

And who are they theirs?
That's right – a bunch of oligarchs and officials! It's time for a complete staff rotation.

[andrey martov]

The British have prudently placed families of our officials on every square kilometer of their territory, so, feeling protected, they do all sorts of nasty things to us with impunity.

[Dilettante grandfather]

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns that British drone strikes on Russia could lead to retaliatory strikes on the factories that produce them.

As far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't be worried. Strikes against decision-making centers were announced several years ago. And what? London, Washington, Brussels—they're still standing.

[Waifu]

Those in the Kremlin, with Israeli and British passports, will never go against their new "homelands".

[Vladimir-78]

With the words of Zakharova, Lavrov and Nebenzya everything is clear.
Why, if the accuracy allows for something other than just a dummy missile, launch it into London? Somewhere empty, like a stadium at night? Within an hour, summon the ambassador and say just three words: "This is your final warning."

[Ivan F]

"Launching a 'simple dummy' missile into London"—that's also an attack, a strike on another state's territory. Whether it's a dummy missile or something else is a matter of "minor nuance."

[Uma palata]

Quote: AndreyN

If they didn't understand
1) Deorbit Britain's satellites
2) Cut off the island from all underwater cables.
3) Flood the Channel Tunnel
and then the factories don't understand.

Actually, technically this is possible?
But our management won't take the risk.
There are children there.
Grandchildren.
Money.
"Your heart is where your treasure is."
And who would allow such a blow to the heart? The owners of the treasure, for the mere thought that suddenly flashed through the minds of their superiors, would ensure that Swan Lake was played. They would replace it.

[Million]

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns that British drone strikes on Russia could lead to retaliatory strikes on the companies that produce them.

In vain. This will not happen under the current government.

[foxes]

The enemy is actively preparing for open war with Russia. It's currently practicing strikes against the country's rear and is beginning to destroy the military-industrial complex. The situation is shaping up such that by 2030, the European part of the country, along with its entire industry and infrastructure, will lie in ruins. Some people aren't particularly worried about this and are pinning their hopes on North Korea, but that's a question for the doctors. The West is now activating everything it's been preparing for decades. And it's well-versed in its previous negative experience of war with Russia.

[jovanni]

Quote from: topol717

If something happens, it's quite possible that you won't be able to write anything on the Internet in any country in the world. Is that what you want?

Maybe. Or maybe not. There are, in fact, many different options for stopping the British aggression. As they say, asymmetry... But if we just sit back and count the increasing number of enemy shells flying at us, then one will definitely land on mine. And on yours too...

[tjeck91]

Strange logic. They've been using British Storm Shadow missiles for a long time now, and nothing's happening. Why would drones be an escalation?

[cocks]

Well, that's journalism.
In my opinion, 50%+ of the information on the resource is ordinary journalistic waste.

[alexbor]

The "guarantor" simply wants to sit out the 30th year, and then sit for a while longer... otherwise, a riot might break out and there won't be anywhere to sit.

[cocks]

Quote from S.S.R.

thick-headed mediocrities with accounts in the West

It took five years to justify this thesis. The thesis is justified. What arguments do you have to refute it?

[78bor1973]

They give thanks as if the poor were attacked by the hordes of Genghis Khan!

[Joker62]

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns that British drone strikes on Russia could lead to retaliatory strikes on the factories that produce them.

It wouldn't hurt to raze their military-industrial complex to the ground!

[cocks]

Quote: ANIMAL

Well, we smile and wave...

If only we were just "smiling and waving." We carefully and scrupulously honor those contracts that haven't yet been sanctioned. We carefully supply oil, gas, and other polymers to Europe. But how could we? The elite must profit, otherwise what kind of elite are they?

[alexbor]

They're good at talking nonsense, legitimate goals, doctrine, red lines, but when it comes down to it, silence, or maybe they wanted to scare the West with words, but they're not afraid... like in the story about the boy who cried wolf

[Reptiloid]

express concerns

So what the hell are they doing? Are they afraid? That means they deserve it! Get it, sign for it.

[Rybkin]

Isn't it time for us to take aim at the homeland of William, you know, our Shakespeare and these Nyans?

[Voenoboz]

Their ships are bound to run into reefs or icebergs. In both directions, actually.

[dFG]

Well, if we so joyfully state the obvious about the police of the republics and the Islamic Republic, then the conclusion will be obvious: no retaliatory measures will be taken, all that remains is to count the dead and the enterprises that are under repair, that’s all that remains

[K-50]

Ukraine has begun using British drones for strikes deep into Russia.

They should bomb something over the British Isles with an air strike and declare that if one more damn drone or missile of British manufacture hits Russia, the islands will be washed into the ocean, forever.
Then we'll see how they start to squirm on the frying pan.

[Vadim S]

You don't have to worry, our government will never agree to this. As Brzezinski said: "As long as their money is in our banks and their real estate is on our territory, no one will utter a word! Are you sure that your government is still in power?"

[FoBoss_VM]

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns that British drone strikes on Russia could lead to retaliatory strikes on the factories that produce them.

Our dear British partners shouldn't worry. This will never, under any circumstances, lead to any retaliatory measures, much less strikes on the companies producing these drones. Certainly not under Putin; he won't allow such rude treatment of the dear bearers of the spirit of Anchorage. Rest easy, British Isles, our apartments are watching over you.

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Uma Palata

The treasure's owners, for just such a thought, suddenly flashing through the minds of their superiors, will ensure the listening of Swan Lake. They'll replace it.

Somehow, Khodorkovsky got screwed over, Bereza bailed, and the great architect of privatization disappeared somewhere. Where there's a will, someone can be labeled a traitor overnight. Their influence shouldn't be exaggerated.

[Soldatov V.]

What's the question? By gradually increasing the number of drone strikes against Russia, they're accustoming us to this kind of life and the fact that some drones, even if only a small fraction, reach their targets. Then the British, French, or Americans will mount a couple of nuclear warheads on their drones and send them to Russia. And then they'll issue us an ultimatum to surrender. Especially since all the NATO countries are screaming about a nuclear umbrella and the possibility of a nuclear strike against us. We need a quick victory more than ever. We've had enough of playing war; it's time to defeat those British, Germans, French, Americans, and their accomplices again.

[Fitter65]

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns that British drone strikes against Russia could lead to retaliatory strikes against the companies that produce them. Moscow may recognize them as "legitimate targets."

There's no need to worry. As experience shows, Moscow, even if it recognizes these targets as legitimate, will unfortunately not touch them.

[Hiller]

There's no need to even "express concern." Strike, without a doubt! With all available forces and means. Destroy the petty British scum along with the khokhlopadal. Without looking back or hesitating. Stop looking back at the Nazi abomination. "Death to the fascist occupiers!" That's the slogan of the day.

[Lukas]

It's high time to strike at British factories. The VG doesn't have the guts to do it. It would permanently discourage the entire West from supplying equipment to the Ukrainians.

[BAI]

A number of British military experts have expressed concerns that British drone strikes against Russia could lead to retaliatory strikes against the companies that produce them. Moscow may recognize them as "legitimate targets."

Let them sleep peacefully. To answer that, you need balls, and no one in our government has any.
By the way, it’s not blows that can, but blows that can

[TOR2]

I read the comments and people are getting excited about blasting the Foggy Albion. I've suggested a response in the style of English humor. What's stopping you from handing over the Club-K system to the IRGC? The British base is right within Iran's range. We just need enough missiles to carry out a massive attack. The IRGC has some serious sensibilities; they can handle it!

[Andriuha077]

Quote: TOR2

What's stopping them from handing over the Club-K system to the IRGC? The British base is within Iran's range. The only problem is the missiles would need to be in sufficient numbers to enable a massive attack.

They could have done it themselves.
The total warhead weight of one full container in the ground-attack modification is 1800 kg (1,8 tons). This means that one four-missile salvo from the container is equivalent in explosive mass to a hit from one Khorramshahr ballistic missile. Iran's most widely used long-range precision-guided missile system to date remains the Paveh light cruise missile.

Radars from the Akrotiri base and a British air defense destroyer detect a mass approach of subsonic targets from the sea. The Sky Sabre system is activated.
There are 24 Paveh missiles in the air. The Sky Sabre division and the ship's Sea Viper systems begin to actively expend their ammunition (one division can engage up to 24 targets simultaneously). An intensive interception begins. The Iranian missiles are destroyed, but they completely tie up the air defenses and deplete the anti-missile reserves in the launchers.
At the same moment, eight Kalibr missiles launch from an unexpected direction (for example, from the Mediterranean, approaching from the west) at an extremely low altitude (20 meters). The base's air defenses are physically unable to retarget their radars. The Kalibr missiles deliver surgical strikes on key targets: the main air defense radar is disabled, the base's command post and the hangars housing Typhoon fighters are destroyed.
Thirty seconds after the Kalibr strike, with the base's air defenses completely blinded and destroyed, two heavy Khorramshahr-4 missiles descend from the sky, almost vertically, at hypersonic speed. Due to the lack of radar tracking, they are impossible to intercept. Three tons of explosives (the combined warhead of the two missiles) fall on the runway and central warehouses of the base, reducing Akrotiri to rubble.

[Alexey G]

considering a direct conflict between Russia and NATO countries "unlikely."

Let them not be afraid. Russia doesn't even dare strike at Zelenograd and Bankova. Moscow loves the British, their history, their films, their football. It loves them so much that it will do whatever it wants, God forgive me!
Moscow doesn't hate Europe or its values. Otherwise, we would have beaten them to the punch long ago. We want to be friends and reach agreements, no matter how humiliating and vulgar it may seem.
We send gifts to Trump and feed the enemy's ambassadors with nibs...
And we are proud of it... disgusting...

[Free Island]

The Brits got themselves a dog - Ukraine, and that dog got loose. Now the poor things are worried 🤷🤷🤷🤷

[Sergool]

Does Russia have the right to destroy a drone factory in England used for strikes against Russia?