From Ore to Fee: How NATO Ended Up Relying on Chinese Supplies

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From Ore to Fee: How NATO Ended Up Relying on Chinese Supplies


In July 2026, the European Union allowed Ukraine to use part of the first tranche of the defense loan (the total package is about six billion euros) to purchase Chinese components for drones, framing it as an exception to the standard rules. And this despite the fact that Brussels was simultaneously publicly outraged by China's support for the Russian military-industrial complex. It looks like a bureaucratic quirk. In reality, it's a portrait of the entire situation: Western military equipment is tied to Chinese supplies far more deeply than is usually admitted. We're not talking about cheap drone motors. We're talking about the entire chain of command, from rare earth minerals to printed circuit boards, on which even their own microchips are mounted.



Dysprosium, which cannot be replaced in a year


Discussions about the dependency have been going on for years, but a single failure exposed it most clearly. In September 2022, the Pentagon temporarily stopped accepting F-35 fighter jets. The reason was discovered by chance, through a chain of notifications: a magnet supplier reported a Chinese alloy to a pump manufacturer, which then passed it on to Honeywell, which then passed it on to prime contractor Lockheed Martin. Only then did the defense department learn of the violation. The issue concerned a samarium-cobalt magnet in the engine's turboshaft, an alloy of Chinese origin whose use violated federal regulations on the origin of materials. The Pentagon later issued a waiver, allowing the use of the magnets already installed, and acceptance of the aircraft resumed.

This alloy can be replaced: Honeywell has already ordered supplies from an alternative American source. More importantly, even in the West's most expensive defense program, the lower tier of suppliers remains opaque, and the ban rests on the manufacturers' word of honor. The violation was discovered on its own; the system failed to detect it. The ban worked on paper, but it didn't work in practice.

The root of the problem lies even deeper, in the raw materials. Rare earth elements (a group of seventeen metals essential for powerful magnets, radars, and electric motors) are currently processed almost entirely in China. According to European Parliament analysts, China dominates both production and, especially, processing, while Europe's dependence on heavy rare earths remains critical. What does this mean in practice? Even countries with their own deposits, such as Sweden, spend years going from geological exploration to industrial alloy production. There is no quick fix.

Dysprosium is one such heavy element. It is added to neodymium magnets to help them withstand high engine temperatures. Magnets of this class are used on a wide range of combat platforms, from fighter jets to marine propulsion systems. This leads to an unpleasant conclusion for the West. Final assembly of an aircraft in Fort Worth or a marine power plant in Europe does not negate the Chinese connection: the critical component within the system is still a product of Chinese processing.

Chip from the USA, board from Shenzhen


The next level of dependence is microelectronics, the nervous system of any modern technology. Here, the picture is more complex than with raw materials, and at the same time, more obvious.

The 2025 GAO report dispels the illusion of localization. According to it, approximately 88% of global microchip production and up to 98% of assembly, packaging, and testing operations occur outside the United States, primarily in Taiwan, South Korea, and China. The Pentagon relies on a supply chain of hundreds of thousands of suppliers, but its databases typically only record the country of the final product. The origin of the subcomponents that make up the assembly remains undisclosed.

It's simple, but it hurts. Control sees the final assembly country but not what's inside. The unit could be assembled in a friendly country from Chinese parts that passed through intermediate factories in Vietnam or Malaysia, and the production "flag" would still be officially clean. History The F-35 demonstrated this clearly: the Chinese alloy reached the finished product, apparently not in violation of the rules, but due to their poor traceability.

Added to this is a separate layer: printed circuit boards. These are the substrates on which even US-made chips are mounted. According to industry estimates, the vast majority of global board production is concentrated in Asia, with Chinese companies accounting for a significant share. This means it's possible to establish production of "in-house" chips and still install them on Chinese substrates. The top layer is localized, but the bottom layer remains Chinese.

It's worth defining the boundaries, otherwise the picture will be one-sided. The most sensitive components for the defense industry are indeed manufactured in the United States and allied countries under special certification. But a huge array of "everyday" electronics (microcontrollers, power supplies, communication modules) come from commercial supply chains, where Chinese manufacturers play their part. This mass is integrated into military systems as finished commercial products, without the strict controls applied to certified components.


Both sides with one element base


The lowest volume components are for drones, and here the dependence is clearly visible. A significant portion of the global market for motors, controllers, cameras, and batteries for drones are held by Chinese manufacturers: their products are mass-produced, inexpensive, and readily available.

The American Blue UAS program was created precisely to break this dependence. It compiles a list of commercial drones compliant with NDAA requirements and "cleaned" of components from China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea, for expedited military procurement. In practice, however, according to reports from 2025, some platforms on the "cleaned" list still fly with Chinese motors, batteries, and ESCs. The issue appears to be the scope of the ban itself: it was interpreted most strictly for components that store and transmit data, while "mechanical" components were essentially exempt from this logic. The list was declared free of Chinese components, but it was only clear at the top level: motors, batteries, and ESCs were simply not included.

The Ukrainian case takes this picture to its extreme. According to media estimates, by 2026, Ukrainian manufacturers will still be sourcing a significant portion of components for simple military drones from China—processors, cameras, and motors—which are significantly cheaper than their Western counterparts. Hence Brussels' decision to allow these purchases to be financed with loans: without Chinese industry, the front line cannot be supplied, no matter how much domestic production is increased. Europe is effectively fueling the Chinese defense industry, despite its own rhetoric about containment, simply because the alternative is either more expensive or unavailable in sufficient quantities.

Here we must point out something that is inconvenient for the Russian side, but remains a fact. According to open sources, both Russian and Ukrainian drones in the mass market often rely on the same Chinese components: the same processors, the same motors. There's no moral to draw here, but it's worth making a disclaimer: when analyzing someone else's vulnerability, it's foolish to pretend that your own is immune.

There's a coherent strategy behind all this. What follows is my guess, not reports. It seems China isn't seeking to displace Western manufacturers in the market for finished weapons systems. It's positioning itself as an indispensable supplier: it controls the low-end, mass-produced components without which industrial-scale warfare is impossible. While there's still competition for AI processors and secure navigation systems, China already has a firm grip on the motor and battery markets.

Raw materials as a lever


Dependence on a mass supplier is dangerous not in itself, but because the supplier is willing to exploit it. China has already demonstrated this, more than once.

In 2010, Beijing effectively cut off rare earth metal supplies to Japan amid a territorial dispute. In 2024, export restrictions on gallium, germanium, and antimony followed, affecting the American market in response to Washington's technology export controls. In 2025, new restrictions were announced for rare earth metals and magnets, and in 2026, according to media reports, several European defense companies were placed under Chinese export controls. According to Reuters, some European production lines were at risk of being shut down due to a shortage of materials, and rare earth metal prices soared.

A separate element of these measures is extraterritoriality. Reportedly, in some cases, Chinese control even extended to products manufactured abroad if they contained Chinese rare earth materials. This means that Beijing gained influence over supply chains beyond its own borders, not just direct exports.

The mechanism isn't new, and history provides a clear parallel. In 1973, the Arab OPEC countries imposed an oil embargo against those who supported Israel, and the world saw how a raw materials monopoly turned into a political weaponOil prices have skyrocketed, and Western economies are in crisis. The key points are the same: the concentration of a critical resource in the hands of one group and the vulnerability of the importer, who has no immediate substitute. But there's a limit to the analogy, and it's not in the West's favor. Oil can be bought from another supplier or consumption can be temporarily curtailed. But rare earth processing can't be launched in months: it requires factories, personnel, and separation technologies that take years to build. The 1973 embargo impacted prices, while Chinese controls are impacting the very ability to produce.

The conclusion about economic interdependence is unsettling for the West. It has long been considered a deterrent: closely connected parties find it harder to engage in confrontation. But this only works under conditions of relative equality. When one side dominates a critical segment, the relationship ceases to be reciprocal and becomes a one-sided lever.

A subtle trace in electronics


It's time to move from raw materials and supplies to the threat that is being discussed most loudly and at the same time most cautiously in the West: the possibility of interfering with the operation of technology through the components themselves.

Western publications paint extreme scenarios: bugs in microchips, hidden data transmission channels, electronics being "disabled" by external command, even paralyzing equipment during a conflict. Precision is needed here. As far as specific NATO systems are concerned, this is still a hypothesis: there are no publicly confirmed cases of bugs being implemented in defense platforms, and speculation should not be presented as established.

But the risk configuration is real, and it stems from two factors. The first is legal: China's national intelligence legislation generally obliges companies to cooperate with the state, including in data processing. The second is organizational: China's state-run Military-Civil Fusion program blurs the line between civilian and military products, allowing military structures to rely on developments from formally civilian companies. This, in turn, changes the underlying presumption. A component from a country where the civilian and military sectors are separate is assumed to be neutral until proven otherwise. This trust doesn't extend to the Chinese component—not because it is inherently vulnerable, but because the mechanism that would allow for its implementation exists and is formalized by law.

The practical implications of this distinction are straightforward. The biggest concern isn't the motors and batteries, but the "smart" components: those that contain the firmware, establish network connections, and process and transmit data. Hidden functionality is implemented precisely at this level, and standard functionality testing doesn't always catch it. Hence the requirements for such components: access to firmware documentation, independent auditing, and a ban on uncontrolled network connections. Where a component simply turns a propeller, the risk is different and the measures taken are different.


Do's and Don'ts


All of this raises the question that tops the list in Western reports: is it possible to completely abandon Chinese components? The honest answer: no, not in the foreseeable future. And this depends on three factors.

  • Raw materials. China's dominance in rare earth processing won't be eliminated by expanding its own capacity in a year or two. We're talking about years, and for some elements, even a decade.
  • Microelectronics. Assembly, packaging, chip testing, and printed circuit board production are concentrated in Asia not by chance, but due to decades of economies of scale that cannot be easily relocated.
  • Mass-produced drone components. Their Chinese price and volume make motors and batteries almost indispensable when a drone fleet needs to be deployed quickly.

So, the realistic goal is different: not a complete break, but a reduction in the criticality of the dependency and its transformation into a manageable form. This begins with the risk-based differentiation discussed above: sensitive electronics fail first, while "dumb" mechanics are tolerable with a replacement plan.

Next comes the set of measures being developed by the GAO and European legislation on critical raw materials. But listing them is insufficient; it's more important to understand the limits of each. Visibility of the "ore-to-payment" chain is limited by the willingness of hundreds of subcontractors to disclose their origins, and the F-35 incident demonstrated how difficult this is, even under contractual duress. Strategic rare earth reserves help to weather a short-term shock, but they are no substitute for domestic processing, which does not yet exist. Partnerships with resource-rich countries provide access to ore, but not to its separation capacity, which is precisely the bottleneck. Recycling materials from decommissioned equipment is feasible, but it covers a small fraction of the need. Each measure is feasible, and none will yield immediate results: the time horizon is measured in years, and for recycling, closer to a decade.

Taken together, the picture is as follows. The presence of Chinese components in Western technology isn't a random procurement glitch, but a structure that has developed over decades of industrial globalization. It can be made manageable, but it can't be eliminated overnight. And the same Chinese components that power Ukrainian drones also power Russian ones—a circumstance that deprives discussions of "decoupling" and breaking technological dependence on China of simple solutions for all parties.
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  1. +5
    12 August 2026 02: 42
    A decent article. It's no secret to specialists that most electronics and electromechanics are made in Southeast Asia, including China. For us, "independence" is completely unrealistic, so I've always taken the cries of turbopatriots about making military equipment exclusively using domestic components as ignorance.
    1. +3
      12 August 2026 03: 00
      Well, it's not for nothing that they call China that. world or world A factory! And so it has been, practically throughout history, with the exception of the period from the late 19th to the late 20th centuries, when the "Opium Wars" knocked China out of this world order. And the reasons for the "Opium Wars" were the same – China sold a lot and sold practically nothing, squeezing the British Empire like a sponge... History repeats itself, at a new level. And what is happening around Russia now is not an end in itself. The goal is not to destroy Russia, but to gain control over it, in order to use us and our resources in the main battle of the century – the confrontation with China!
      1. +1
        12 August 2026 22: 29
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        use us and our resources in the main battle of the century - the confrontation with China!
        to the last Russian...
        1. 0
          13 August 2026 03: 13
          Quote from alexoff
          to the last Russian...

          This is their usual scheme...
  2. +3
    12 August 2026 04: 02
    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
    It’s not for nothing that China is called the world’s or the world’s factory!
    The only difference is that just thirty years ago China was producing and massively exporting children's toys, greeting cards, Christmas tree decorations and other similar junk, but now it is producing and also massively exporting high-tech and science-intensive products.
    1. +1
      12 August 2026 04: 25
      Quote: Xenon
      Now it produces and also massively exports high-tech and science-intensive products

      And this is despite the fact that China has long ceased to be a source of cheap slave labor.
      1. +1
        12 August 2026 04: 27
        Quote: Puncher
        And this is despite the fact that China has long ceased to be a source of cheap slave labor.
        Yes, that's exactly it!
      2. 0
        12 August 2026 05: 17
        Quote: Puncher
        And this is despite the fact that China has long ceased to be a source of cheap slave labor.

        And it can't remain that way a priori. As the country's economy grows, so does the well-being of its citizens! Therefore, cheap labor is found elsewhere—in Vietnam and elsewhere. Although China itself still has a similar internal reserve—the standard of living of Chinese villagers is much lower than that of urban residents.
        1. 0
          12 August 2026 05: 26
          Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
          Although in China itself there is still an internal similar reserve - the level of Chinese rural residents is much lower than in the cities.

          There will be no demand for it. Increasing automation of production is actually reducing the labor force, and we will have to wait and see how China's leadership will address this problem. Millions of unemployed people will have to rely on welfare and food stamps.
          1. 0
            12 August 2026 22: 31
            No automation will replace road builders and other concrete workers; there, nearly 300 million internal migrant workers without city registration do roughly the same thing as our own – lay tiles and build another highway to Tibet.
            1. 0
              13 August 2026 03: 36
              Quote from alexoff
              No automation will replace road builders and other concrete workers; there, nearly 300 million internal migrant workers without city registration do roughly the same thing as our own – lay tiles and build another highway to Tibet.

              Are they developing humanoid robots for entertainment? That's certainly true, but the main idea is to replace humans.
              1. 0
                13 August 2026 09: 58
                Humanoid robots aren't about work at all. Humanoid robots are synonymous with uselessness.
                1. 0
                  17 September 2026 02: 37
                  T-800 categorically disagrees with you.
                  1. +1
                    17 September 2026 03: 04
                    Compare C-3PO and R2-D2 better.
    2. +1
      12 August 2026 05: 14
      Quote: Xenon
      The only difference is that just thirty years ago China

      So I wrote about horses in the 20th century, when China began to recover from the consequences of the Opium Wars. They had to start somewhere, so that's where they started...
  3. +3
    12 August 2026 04: 13
    Much has been said, but nothing has been mentioned about the fact that the US has been strangling the world with licensing legislation for decades. A well-known example is the ban on ASML lithographs supplied to China, but this applies to a wide range of equipment in relation to unfriendly countries like the USSR/Russia, China, and so on. And the fight for compliance with licensing legislation in Russia, waged by Roskomnadzor (RKN), is tiring everyone (almost everyone—N. Mikhalkov and Co. derive a substantial income from it without a trace) and seems to be troubling everyone.
    China is imposing restrictions on the sale of strategic materials to the US and allied defense industries, including targeted sanctions against American defense companies, banning trade with them altogether. If Western civilian industries are hit, the issue is resolved within a few months and supplies resume.
    As for poor Japan, to which China had imposed a ban on rare-earth metals, in the summer of 2019, Japan also imposed strict export controls on supplies of three key materials for chip and display production (fluorinated polyimide, resists, and hydrogen fluoride) to South Korea. Incidentally, Russia immediately offered to replace Japan, but it didn't work because the materials required exceptional purity.
  4. +3
    12 August 2026 04: 23
    Quote: smart fellow
    And the fight for compliance with licensing legislation in Russia is carried out by RKN
    Does Russia really need to comply with this licensing legislation? We're already heavily slapped with sanctions, and in the current situation, we can afford to do whatever we want. And this even gives us free rein. Shouldn't we just throw all this so-called international law to the wind and start doing what's best for the country, not some international laws written overseas—laws that, by the way, are only selectively observed by those who wrote them?
    1. 0
      12 August 2026 05: 00
      Quote: Xenon
      Does Russia need to comply with this licensing legislation?

      It's not really enforced. Here, it's nothing more than a bludgeon for extorting money from regulatory agencies.
  5. 0
    12 August 2026 04: 38
    You read about China's successes and you'll be downright envious. In 1985, Gorbachev launched perestroika and the new thinking, allowing for chatter and a bit of capitalism. As a result, the country was left with chatterboxes, but no pants or ideas.
    The Chinese made the right conclusion. If you want to earn money, earn it, but don't talk trash and don't steal.
    The results in both countries are well known.
    1. -1
      12 August 2026 05: 23
      Quote: Amateur
      As a result, the country was left with talkers, but without pants and an idea.

      Even before 1985, the country's pants situation was so-so... A state that can't provide its own population with jeans or create the conditions for its citizens to buy them themselves... Well, it's a so-so country in terms of efficiency...
      1. 0
        12 August 2026 06: 58
        and until 1985 the situation with pants in the country was so-so

        You're absolutely right! The entire country went about without pants and barefoot (Central Committee employees were given bast shoes). Instead of jeans, Soviet citizens were given free apartments and forced (oh, the horror!) to get a free (!!!) education, including higher education. And there was horrific violence against free individuals – everyone was REQUIRED to work, and those who didn't want to were called the offensive word "parasite." fool
        1. -1
          12 August 2026 09: 50
          Oh, the sarcasm! And the fact that, starting in 1983, various regions of the country began introducing coupons for sausage and meat... and this in the country that was the first to abolish the rationing system after WWII... how can you joke about that? And the special food program in 1982, designed to last until 1990, was probably adopted not because there were huge problems with providing the population with food, but because they were going crazy with fat? And words like deficit, blat, sausage commuter trains... I must have made that up? Did you even live in the USSR? Did you have a dacha? Well, that's where you worked the land—planted potatoes, carrots, onions, tomatoes and cucumbers... Because even if you're a professor or an academic, not to mention a simple engineer or technician... if you don't work the land, you won't get any vegetables. Well, unless you're a speculator and can afford to buy them at the market with stolen money. Or sifting through dirt at a co-op market, looking for a couple of healthy potatoes. Although, maybe you lived in Moscow or some other city with special supplies? The term is also quite interesting, could you make a joke out of it? And pants, yes, it was possible to "get" (also a rather interesting term) jeans (the pants of the American proletariat), strictly through connections and for 200-250 rubles (a month's salary)!
          But yes, everyone lived in free apartments! It's just unclear where the "Housing 2000" program came from in 1986, with its slogan: every family a separate apartment by the year 2000? Which, by the way, was never implemented...
          And yes, free education is a given. And primary and secondary education is, in fact, the best in the world! And I'm not being sarcastic. You could also add free medical care, the vestiges of which still remain, trade union vouchers, pioneer camps, sanatoriums, sports clubs—we, who played hockey for the neighborhood club, were given full hockey gear for free every fall!
          But you know what offset all of this? When I'm leaving the department store on New Year's Eve through the back entrance, where a "friend" of my parents has stuffed me with a bag full of hard-to-find items—a stick of smoked meat, tangerines, a bottle of champagne, a four-pack of Okocim beer, a can of caviar... and there's a line right next to the general entrance, waiting for something. "thrown out" (also a characteristic term)... and your bag rips and everything spills out into the snow... And then there's the angry, "hungry" look of people in line at all this... This look, coupled with the leadership's helplessness to provide for the primitive general needs of the population... And they abolished the USSR! Which, by the way, began to decompose as a system, starting in 1953.
          1. +2
            12 August 2026 10: 50
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            And the fact that, starting in 1983, coupons for sausage and meat began to be introduced in various regions of the country... and this in the country that was the first to abolish the coupon system after WWII...

            Before. Meat and dairy coupons were already in place before the Moscow Olympics. People actually begged their party to introduce them because the stores were empty.
            Due to the difficulties encountered in providing food, In many regions and districts of the USSR, it is common practice to issue products such as meat, butter, eggs, and sausages using coupons, which are issued by housing and communal services or housing management companies on a monthly basis.
            We ask you to consider and implement such a trading system in Krasnovishersk at the session.
            © Letter from workers of the Uralalmaz mine to the chairman of the Krasnovishersky District Executive Committee L.V. Leontyev with a request to introduce food stamps. November 1978
            We, workers at the Ural Chemical Plant, can't buy anything in our stores. We have absolutely nothing to feed our families with. Is it really impossible to somehow improve the food situation in this day and age? We demand improved food supplies and absolutely introduce coupons for receiving meat and dairy, as was introduced in the cities of Sverdlovsk, N. Tagil, Kizel, Gubakha, Gorky, Izhevsk and othersOnly then will we be able to buy groceries after work.
            © Letter from workers of the Ural Chemical Plant to the Central Committee of the CPSU and local party bodies with a request to introduce food coupons. May 1979
            By the end of the 70s, the meat shortage in the country was such that the problem was even mentioned in Brezhnev's speeches.
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Or sort through the dirt at a co-op market, looking for a couple of non-rotten potatoes.

            Sorting? Look at you, baby – take what you got! Here's the potato conveyor, put the mesh under it. Whatever it spills out is all yours. And you can sort it at home! Come on, don't hold up the line! wink
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            As for pants, yes, there was an opportunity to “get” (also a remarkable term) jeans (the pants of the American proletariat), it was strictly through connections and for 200-250 rubles (a month’s salary)!

            There were also Tver jeans - under Western license. Which were made according to the principle priests - fabrics "whatever we have," threads "whatever we have," fittings "whatever we have," style "whatever we could teach." It's okay, they're not high-class—they'll buy those anyway; they have nothing else but pants from the 50s.
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            and next to the general entrance there's a line waiting for something to be "thrown out" (also a typical term)...

            There was another key term—"to get." It described the process of purchasing any item of more or less acceptable quality. Not "to buy," but rather "to get." For example, a color television—which was distributed to war and labor veterans. Or a decent bicycle—also to war and labor veterans.
            And yes, there were long queues. A queue for a car, a queue for an apartment. And not just one queue, but several – a regular queue, a preferential queue, and one for the bosses and those close to them. And this queue could move both forward and backward – when the right people were squeezed into it.
          2. 0
            12 August 2026 13: 59
            There were coupons, there were "food packages." But no one had empty refrigerators. Yes, people bought under the table, overpaid, and through connections. But it all happened. And "the shoe department merchandiser is like a simple engineer..." in A. Raikin's story. The distribution system (Soviet trade) rotted due to corruption and impunity. But that's a whole other story.
          3. +1
            12 August 2026 22: 44
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            And if you don't till the land, you won't get any vegetables. Well, unless you're a speculator and can afford to buy them at the market with stolen money. Or you could sift through the dirt at a co-op market, looking for a couple of healthy potatoes.

            Yes, in the USSR, they had idiotic KPIs in the modern style: the main thing was to harvest so many tons of potatoes and that's it. Who cares what kind of potatoes they were, half of them rotted? First, they'd send someone from behind a drawing board to the nearest collective farm to pick potatoes, and then they'd go to their garden with a shovel, digging like an 18th-century peasant. Meanwhile, they ignored the fact that most of the plant was kicking around all Friday because they had to dig tomorrow, and then kicking around again on Monday because they'd been weeding the day before and their backs were falling apart. fool
            1. 0
              13 August 2026 03: 15
              But they did launch rockets into space! The term "Upper Volta with rockets" didn't just pop up out of nowhere... request
      2. -1
        12 August 2026 08: 34
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        The state which can not provide our own population with jeans

        Almost any third-world country could supply its population with jeans. And you seriously claim that the USSR—a superpower that produced supercomputers, sophisticated nuclear power plants, the automated Buran spacecraft, and advanced aircraft—couldn't produce jeans? Nothing was technologically impossible for the Soviet Union. Soviet people didn't go around without pants; they wore good-quality trousers made of natural fabrics. The problem was different: jeans simply weren't mass-produced. In the USSR, production was determined not by demand, but by a planned economy governed by an aging Politburo.
        1. 0
          12 August 2026 10: 51
          That's exactly what I wrote: the Soviet leadership was incapable of meeting the needs of the population!
          Quote: Stas157
          And you seriously claim that the USSR – a superpower that produced supercomputers, sophisticated nuclear power plants, the automated Buran spacecraft, and cutting-edge aircraft – couldn’t establish jeans production?

          Actually, I've made even worse claims: they couldn't provide the population with food! They simply couldn't provide everyone with sausage! Sausage coupons appeared in Sverdlovsk in 1983! They produced tanks, planes, rockets, and supercomputers... But sausage, in the capital of the Urals—the stronghold of the state—was rationed! Grain was bought abroad, and there wasn't even any beef or chicken on store shelves! Did the food program adopted in a superpower in 1982 stem from a well-fed lifestyle? Which, by the way, wasn't fully implemented. Its goals were overblown and didn't correspond to the actual capabilities of the country's agro-industrial complex (AIC). A superpower that can't meet its planned grain and meat production? Is nothing technologically impossible?
        2. +1
          12 August 2026 10: 54
          Quote: Stas157
          For the Soviet Union, nothing was technologically impossible. Soviet people didn't go around without pants—they wore good-quality trousers made from natural fabrics. The problem was something else: jeans simply weren't mass-produced.

          Jeans were mass-produced in the late USSR—"Tver"—under license. The problem was that by this time, factories throughout the production chain frankly didn't care about quality (they'd take them anyway), so the end result was "work pants" fit only in the dacha. smile
  6. +1
    12 August 2026 04: 39
    Raw materials. China's dominance in rare earth processing won't be eliminated by expanding its own capacity in a year or two. We're talking about years, and for some elements, even a decade.

    Specifically, in processing, not mining. For example, China owns shares in MP Materials, the Mountain Pass mine that produces neodymium. Where is the mine located? In the US. The stake is small, of course, but it's there. Or China owns 90% of Vietnam Rare Earth Co., and Vietnam is the world's second-largest source of rare earth metals. And in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, China owns 80% of the cobalt and copper mines. In total, China is an investor in 1250 projects worldwide. Therefore, China is the leader in rare earth metal production. BUT! All of this could theoretically be simply confiscated, if only there were the will and resources to do so.
    Microelectronics. Assembly, packaging, chip testing, and printed circuit board production are concentrated in Asia not by chance, but due to decades of economies of scale that cannot be easily relocated.

    Asia doesn't just mean China, although its share is high. China itself is interested in microelectronics sales because they bring in big money.
    It can be made manageable, but it cannot be removed in a short period of time.

    This is simply impossible. China boasts cheap electricity and a highly automated production system. There's no other country in the world capable of providing similar conditions.
    1. +1
      12 August 2026 05: 52
      Quote: Puncher
      And in the DR Congo, China owns 80% of the cobalt and copper mines.

      Moreover, if you look at the conditions in which the workers in these mines live and work - the length of the working day, safety precautions, the use of child labor, pay... then it becomes clear what kind of communist China really is! wassat
      1. +1
        12 August 2026 06: 01
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        How communist is China, really?

        The CPC is building communism. For itself. Unlike the RSDLP(b)/VKPB/CPSU, the CPC doesn't seek to establish communism on a global scale; they're building it for themselves at the expense of the entire world. Anyone who thinks a "turn to the East" is right doesn't understand that we will be turned into raw material for the construction of Chinese communism. Communism will be ONLY for the Chinese, and for no one else.
        1. 0
          12 August 2026 06: 12
          That’s exactly what I’m writing about, that this is not communism at all, but the real Capitalism!
          Communism is not about the nation, not about the national state, communism is about class! "Workers of all countries, unite!" It is the proletariat, the wage-earners, who are the hegemon (the ruling class) in communist ideology. For it is they, and they alone, who create added value; it is their labor that builds all of civilization. The Communist International is without regard to nation, gender, nationality, or national affiliation.
          This is communism! Everything else is not!
          1. +1
            12 August 2026 07: 01
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Communism is not about a nation, not about a national state, communism is about class! "Workers of the world, unite!"

            You have a rather superficial view of the teachings of Karl Marx and Co. Communism, first and foremost, is a complete ban on private property in all its manifestations. And the unification of the proletariat is required for the struggle for the advent of communism.
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Communist International, without reference to nation, gender, nationality, or state affiliation.

            Yes, China has strayed into heresy here, not following the canon. Let me clarify: they base their vision on communism, this is their "filioque," so to speak...
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              12 August 2026 10: 04
              Quote: Puncher
              You have a rather superficial view of the teachings of Karl Marx and Co. Communism, first and foremost, is a complete ban on private property in all its manifestations.

              You're confusing Karl Marx with Pol Pot (Salat Sar)! The ban on private property "means of production"If you could provide a reference in Marx's works to the complete ban on any private property, I would be grateful for your insight into Marx's teachings.
              Quote: Puncher
              Yes, this is where the PRC has gone into heresy and not followed the canon.

              Opportunism always leads to the same thing - the restoration of capitalism with all its consequences!
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                12 August 2026 10: 14
                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                If you could provide a reference in the works of K. Marx on the complete ban on any private property, I would be grateful for your insightful insight into the teachings of K. Marx.

                The Communist Manifesto, Section 2. PROLETARIANS AND COMMUNISTS.
                3. Cancellation of inheritance rights.

                If a person cannot inherit property, then it does not belong to him.
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                  12 August 2026 11: 07
                  Quote: Puncher
                  If a person cannot inherit property, then it does not belong to him.

                  Don't take this out of context! It's not about the inheritance of personal property in general. It's about the abolition of bourgeois inheritance rights—that is, the ability to pass on capitalist private property (the means of production, large-scale capital) by inheritance. Their goal isn't to abolish the transfer of personal property or small farms, but to destroy the foundation of exploitation: the ability to accumulate and pass on capital from generation to generation, which allows for the appropriation of others' labor.
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                    12 August 2026 12: 41
                    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                    Don't take it out of context!

                    There is nothing to pull out, everything is clearly stated:
                    In this sense, communists can express their theory in one proposition: the abolition of private property.
                    We, communists, have been reproached for wanting to destroy property, personally acquired, earned through one's own labor, property that forms the basis of all personal freedom, activity and independence.
                    Earned, acquired, and labor-earned property! Are you talking about petty-bourgeois, small-peasant property, which preceded bourgeois property? We have no business destroying it; industrial development has destroyed it and continues to destroy it day after day.

                    What's unclear or ambiguous here? Next, a description of what he considers private property and summarizes
                    In short, you reproach us for wanting to destroy your property. Yes, we really want to do this.
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                      12 August 2026 13: 42
                      Editing the text not from the beginning, throwing out inconvenient paragraphs is "taking it out of context" laughing
                      Why didn't you provide the quote from the beginning?
                      A distinctive feature of communism is not the abolition of property in general, but the abolition of bourgeois property.
                      But modern bourgeois private property is the last and most complete expression of such production and appropriation of products, which is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of some by others.
                      In this sense, communists can express their theory in one proposition: the abolition of private property.


                      Quote: Puncher
                      Next is a description of what he considers private property and summarizes

                      Whose "yours"?

                      Or perhaps you are talking about modern bourgeois private property?
                      But does wage labor, the labor of the proletarian, create property for him? Absolutely not. It creates capital, i.e., property that exploits wage labor, property that can only expand if it generates new wage labor to exploit it again. Property in its modern form moves in the opposition between capital and wage labor. Let us consider both sides of this opposition.
                      Being a capitalist means occupying not only a purely personal but also a social position in production. Capital is a collective product and can only be set in motion by the joint action of many members of society, and ultimately, only by the joint action of all members of society.
                      Thus, capital is not a personal force, but a social one. Consequently, if capital is transformed into collective property, owned by all members of society, this will not be a transformation of personal property into social property. Only the social character of property will change. It will lose its class character.


                      Next:

                      The average price of wage labor is the minimum wage, i.e., the sum of the means of subsistence necessary to maintain the worker's life as a worker. Consequently, what the wage laborer appropriates as a result of his activity is barely sufficient to reproduce his life. We have no intention of abolishing this personal appropriation of the products of labor, which serve directly to reproduce life, an appropriation that leaves no surplus that could create power over the labor of others. We wish only to abolish the pitiful nature of such appropriation, in which the worker lives only to increase his capital, and lives only insofar as the interests of the ruling class demand it.


                      Quote: Puncher
                      In short, you reproach us for wanting to destroy your property. Yes, we really want to do this.

                      And again, you skip the beginning:

                      You are horrified that we want to destroy private property. But in your present society, private property has been destroyed for nine-tenths of its members; it exists precisely because it does not exist for nine tenths. You reproach us, therefore, with the fact that we want to destroy property, which presupposes, as a necessary condition, the absence of property in the vast majority of society.


                      And conclusion...

                      You admit, therefore, that you recognize no one as a person except the bourgeois, that is, the bourgeois property owner. Such a person must indeed be destroyed.
                      Communism does not take away from anyone the possibility of appropriating social products; it only takes away the opportunity, through this appropriation, to enslave the labor of others.
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                        13 August 2026 03: 31
                        abolition of bourgeois property.

                        Where is the line between so-called "bourgeois property" and any other?
                        And there is no other because
                        Are you talking about petty-bourgeois, small-peasant property, which preceded bourgeois property? We have no business destroying it; industrial development has destroyed it and continues to destroy it day after day.

                        That is, private property does NOT have ownership, since, according to K. Marsk, the proletariat does not have it,
                        But does hired labor, the labor of the proletarian, create property for him? Not at all.

                        and petty-bourgeois and small-peasant property is destroyed by the development of industry. Therefore, the thesis
                        In short, you reproach us for wanting to destroy your property. Yes, we really want to do this.

                        It is unambiguous and cannot have any other meaning: private property is only bourgeois, no other exists and it will be destroyed.
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          12 August 2026 22: 46
          Quote: Puncher
          The CPC is building communism. For itself.

          Apparently only for the CCP. Because the birth rate there is Russian, and housing affordability is worse than in Russia.
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            13 August 2026 03: 48
            Quote from alexoff
            Apparently only for the CCP. Because the birth rate there is Russian, and housing affordability is worse than in Russia.

            Mmm... That'll have to wait. At the last plenary session, the 15th Five-Year Plan, for the first time in China's history, included a separate, dedicated plan for domestic market development.
            1. By 2030, the volume of retail sales of consumer goods in the domestic market should reach 60 trillion yuan (about 8,8 trillion US dollars);
            2. The domestic market becomes the main driver of the economy, while foreign trade relations are maintained to ensure the influx of advanced technologies.
            3. : Creation of a self-sufficient chain, where new high-quality domestic goods (supply) themselves create sustainable domestic demand (demand).

            China's domestic market is currently worth 50 trillion yuan, meaning they're planning to grow by 10 trillion yuan! Sorry, but that's impossible to achieve with just the CPC. To put that into perspective, our entire domestic market is only 4,62 trillion yuan.
            I honestly can't imagine how they'll do it; I don't think it's possible without free money. Even pension reform and free healthcare wouldn't be able to achieve such an increase.
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              13 August 2026 10: 02
              They plan to develop the domestic market through savings, as far as I remember. The Chinese have been hoarding money in banks for years at low interest rates, and it's been sitting there. A pension supplement. Now they want to bring this money into the light.
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                13 August 2026 11: 34
                Quote from alexoff
                The Chinese have been hoarding money in banks for years, earning low interest rates, and it's been sitting there. A pension supplement. Now they want to bring this money to light.

                Let's say so. But who's going to force them to spend? A citizen might agree with the "party line," but "one's own shirt is closer to the body." You're saving up for "sudden illness and infirmity," and then they tell you to "spend on yourself! Go to a restaurant! Buy some unnecessary crap." So what, are you going to follow through? For someone to start spending, you need to at least mitigate the threat of tomorrow and convince them that their country won't abandon you in times of need.
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                  13 August 2026 11: 48
                  You can raise prices—spending will rise, and GDP will grow. Or, for example, set deposit rates at minus 10% per annum. wassat
                  As far as I remember, they wanted everyone to take their low-interest deposits to supposedly high-yield stock markets, where sales and resales drive up GDP figures, capitalizations grow, top executives receive bonuses in the form of company shares and are incentivized to promote the company, and so on.
                  But the Chinese don't seem to be keen on investing their pension savings in a pig in a poke. We, too, wanted the same thing. Incidentally, one multi-move investor recently set the goal of doubling the capitalization of the Russian market. But it only ended up collapsing. request
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                    13 August 2026 18: 30
                    It's doubtful this will help. The desire to avoid scraping through garbage in old age will win out. Better to tone up today than die later. They clearly need pension and healthcare reform. At the very least. And given the job losses in manufacturing, they should also introduce food stamps.
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                      13 August 2026 19: 09
                      I doubt the Chinese will be given that much time to solve their problems. They're demonstrating a very short-sighted foreign policy, surrounding themselves with enemy countries and lacking defensive depth—they'll be shelled from the islands if they make any sudden moves. And they'll only be able to reach the Americans, Australians, and Europeans with ICBMs. And they can't use a nuclear weapon—the Americans would immediately hit three gorges and wipe out the population there, just like in all of Russia. request
                      Chinese craftsmen have built an incredibly powerful economy, but Chinese politicians haven't grown up in the same way; their boots are too big for them. They don't know what to do with the hundreds of billions of dollars in trade surpluses. fool
                      Well, the Americans won't wait for a new Qianlong to appear in the Politburo. I would act the same way in their place. American history shows that the greatest empire of the everlasting sun can turn into a shabby island in two hundred years if it allows a shabby, liberated colony to develop undisturbed.
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                        14 August 2026 03: 53
                        Quote from alexoff
                        They demonstrate a very short-sighted foreign policy, surrounding themselves with enemy countries

                        I suspect this is connected to Chinese nationalism. They have a sense of superiority, and the economic surge has exacerbated that. Yes, politicians shouldn't stoop to such a level, but in their current circumstances, it's impossible.
                        Quote from alexoff
                        Chinese politicians didn't grow up the same way; their boots are too big for them.

                        They've always pursued a cautious policy, always playing the wise monkey watching a tiger fight. But something unprecedented has happened: the tiger is alone, and it's not at all drained of blood. The monkey needs to become a tiger, but no matter how you dress it up, it's still a monkey. Xi is trying to be a tiger, but it's not working out. He's holding the line, trying to attack the tiger not directly, but through his minions, but they're too weak for that. The monkey needed to raise them to his level economically, develop them, then a few strong, even monkeys, would be able to counter the tiger. But Chinese nationalism doesn't allow for that.
                        American history shows that the greatest empire of the never-setting sun can turn into a shabby island in two hundred years if

                        You're absolutely 1000000000% right... But the US is facing a crisis of power and an attempt by third parties to destroy the political system from within. I'm not sure the Americans can handle it. Tiger is obese and mentally weak.
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                        14 August 2026 13: 57
                        I can assume that this is connected with Chinese nationalism.
                        All Asian peoples have this. Koreans, for example, would go ballistic if you mentioned the Sea of ​​Japan to them. But over the past few years, their brains have been literally rewired—now they love Japan, go there on weekends, and dream of a docile Japanese wife, because Korean women would eat their brains out. Americans—oh, thank you for saving us from the fate of our northern brothers! They're practically crawling on their knees with joy, like some Poles. And the Chinese have become such enemies in just a few years that they can't even eat. Someone has easily twisted their nationalism into something useful.
                        They always pursued a cautious policy, always playing the role of the wise monkey watching the tigers fight.
                        I wouldn't say so—they were rushing the Americans in Korea, helping the Khmers harass Vietnam, messing with the USSR, helping Vietnam, and a bunch of Maoists were fighting in Third World countries. They were fully involved in this battle of the titans and took a serious beating.
                        The monkey needed to raise them to its level economically, develop them, then the tiger would have several strong, even monkeys, against it. But Chinese nationalism doesn't allow this.
                        The monkey is stupid; instead of raising its allies' technological level, it's raising its enemies'. China buys 200 billion worth of goods from Australia and sells them for 100 billion. The Americans forced the Australians to use that extra money to arm themselves, buy more submarines. Meanwhile, when Duterte came to power in the Philippines and said he'd defect to China, what did they do? Nothing! They had the potential to break the blockade, create discord among their opponents, gain access to the Pacific Ocean, and they could have shown everyone that it's more profitable to be friends with the Chinese—but no, it didn't matter.
                        But in the US, there's a clear crisis of power and an attempt by third parties to destroy the political system from within. I'm not sure the Americans can handle it. Tiger is obese and mentally weak.
                        Even a monkey isn't what it used to be. Once upon a time, two million Chinese volunteers marched against the Americans with light infantry weapons at the ready. And now, when two grandparents have only one grandson, a single, darling son, how willing will they be to go to war? A bear isn't the same either; it can't repeat anything, and Europe is out of the question. A battle of the disabled in a nursing home. request
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                        16 August 2026 12: 06
                        Quote from alexoff
                        Battle of the disabled in a nursing home

                        😂😂😂
                        Aptly
    2. 0
      12 August 2026 22: 52
      Quote: Puncher
      Specifically in processing, not extraction.

      There are a lot of questions about Chinese mining in general. China pumps out rare earth metals for pennies, which is why no one can establish their own production. China is also the world leader in tungsten mining and production. It is also self-sufficient in tin, lead, and zinc. But then there's a hole. They seem to have found their own lithium, but so far it's mostly imported. Nickel comes from Indonesia and Russia. Cobalt comes from the DRC (Rwanda apparently seized the mines). No nickel or cobalt? Lithium is no longer useful; an important component is missing. Aluminum is two-thirds imported, copper is 80%, iron ore is 70%, and oil and gas are similarly poorly supplied. Their own deposits are located near the border, and they will certainly be destroyed in the event of a war.
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        13 August 2026 03: 51
        Quote from alexoff
        They will definitely be beaten in case of war.

        Well, they're not just cloning their fleet. A lot of it is imported by sea. Regarding war, I've said more than once that I don't believe they'll start any war, even over Taiwan. Blackmail and pressure, yes.
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          13 August 2026 09: 57
          I've said more than once that I don't believe they'll start any kind of war, even over Taiwan. Blackmail and bullying, yes.
          Who's going to ask them? In three or four years, they'll impose a blockade on the Chinese for oppressing the Uyghurs or some other egregious crime...
  7. +2
    12 August 2026 05: 01
    With regard to specific NATO systems, this is still a hypothesis: there are no publicly confirmed facts of implemented bookmarks in defense platforms.
    These bookmarks will only begin to work when the weapons sold begin to work against those who sold them. And never again!
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      12 August 2026 05: 29
      Quote: Schneeberg
      These bookmarks will start working

      What bugs? The US has its own chip manufacturer, and the Koreans and Taiwanese won't put bugs in their processors either; why would they? The US is protected in that regard. And no one in their right mind would install bugs in civilian chips, as it complicates production and increases its cost.
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        12 August 2026 06: 54
        A hardware bug can be embedded in a microchip or processor. This is a hidden element in the chip's circuitry. Such an element can disrupt the system, transmit data, or allow unauthorized access to the device.
        How a bookmark works
        It's a tiny piece of logic on a silicon chip.
        The bookmark waits for a rare signal or command to trigger.
        It is difficult to find during a normal test of the finished board.

        In February 2015, experts uncovered a secret NSA conspiracy. The agency had learned to implant spyware into the firmware of hard drives from leading global brands, including Western Digital, Seagate, Toshiba, IBM, and Maxtor.
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          12 August 2026 07: 14
          Quote: smart fellow
          A hardware bug can be embedded into a microchip or processor.

          Who's arguing?
          Quote: smart fellow
          In February 2015 years

          This is not about hardware, but about malware that uses factory backdoors to test HDDs.
          Quote: smart fellow
          It's a tiny piece of logic on a silicon chip.

          Why install it for mass production? I admit it's possible to replace such a chip on a specific PC or server for malicious purposes, but why bother with hundreds of thousands that won't end up on the PC you're interested in?
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            12 August 2026 08: 16
            There is some truth in what you wrote, and my comment made sense: never say never.
            There was an interesting case in the early 2000s. The Los Angeles police (I don't remember exactly) asked the FBI for help in tracking down a dangerous criminal. Using satellite tracking, the FBI pinpointed the approximate location of the criminal's cell phone, and the police, after establishing a presence there, arrested him. Although the FBI demanded secrecy, journalists got wind of the incident and reported it in the media. It's nothing new now. But it's a fitting example of an undocumented device in a mass-produced civilian product.

            Installing hardware and software bugs requires increased material and/or labor costs, but the intelligence agencies are not concerned because the costs are still borne by manufacturers (who include them in the price of the product) - for example (regarding who bears the costs), Internet providers are forced to install servers and software for storing and monitoring traffic at their own expense (consumers ultimately pay).
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              12 August 2026 08: 52
              Quote: smart fellow
              In the early 2000s, there was an interesting case. The Los Angeles police (I don't remember exactly) asked the FBI for help in locating a dangerous criminal. Using satellite tracking, the FBI pinpointed the approximate location of the criminal's cell phone, and the police, having surrounded the area, arrested the criminal. Although the FBI demanded that this be kept secret, journalists got wind of the matter and reported it in the media.

              This is a hoax; a satellite isn't needed to detect a cell phone; its location is determined by base stations. If the criminal had a satellite phone, then a top-secret satellite wouldn't be necessary either, as there's a satellite operator that can also provide their geolocation.
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        12 August 2026 07: 17
        Quote: Puncher
        this complicates production and makes it more expensive
        A few lines of software code embedded into a chip won't complicate anything. wink
  8. 0
    12 August 2026 06: 35
    Liberals are inherently incapable of systematically organizing production. In any country. For them, production is an annoying obstacle to achieving ever greater material wealth and a wide variety of pleasures. Consumer society is their ideal.
    Having destroyed the USSR, Western liberals decided that there was no longer any point in investing in industrial development.
    The idea that it is the presence of industry that ensures long-term growth in consumption is too complex a logical chain for them, requiring foresight.
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    12 August 2026 08: 12
    In 2010, Beijing effectively cut off Japan's supply of rare earths.

    Why can't our president reach an agreement with his friend Xi to do the same for Ukraine – not supply UAV components? Otherwise, we're left with a strange situation: the West claims China is Russia's ally, but this "ally" is actually an active participant in the supply chain for the war against Russia.
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    12 August 2026 08: 16
    Considering that China is the world leader in the extraction and processing of rare earths, this is not surprising.
  11. +1
    12 August 2026 10: 00
    From Ore to Fee: How NATO Ended Up Relying on Chinese Supplies

    you might as well write:
    From ore to board: how Russia ended up relying on Chinese supplies

    Do you see the difference in the titles?
    me not
  12. 0
    12 August 2026 11: 05
    There are no publicly confirmed facts of implemented bookmarks in defense platforms, and it is not worth passing off speculation as established.

    Learn your history! During the Soviet era, we were sold equipment with bugs—at least, I read about bugs in electrolytic capacitors. Is the story about the Buranovskaya computer true?
  13. -1
    12 August 2026 16: 15
    Death to the worthless artificial uguoma crafts!
    What are those "scales" in the last picture? No matter how much you puff up your INTELLIGENCE, you still can't demand much from a "rusty piece of iron," but where was the person looking?! The author, the site editor? The sloppy jockeys rule. angry
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    13 August 2026 03: 19
    The US is in the same position as Russia, as are other countries. The crux of the problem is that China produces everything in large quantities for sale, and the cost of the product drops significantly while maintaining the same quality. Meanwhile, if the US attempts to manufacture domestically, it will inevitably run into the high cost of small batches. Similarly, Russia produces its own electronics, but only for security reasons, and these small batches will inevitably be more expensive. Logically, security is even more important, but if you consider the low unit cost, it's a significant financial burden.