C-300 - think about democratizing Syria three hundred times

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The closer the so-called peace conference on Syria, which will be held in Geneva, Switzerland, the more heated the situation around Syria itself. One gets the impression that the fairly protracted civil war in the Syrian Arab Republic, like a “ripening” boil on the body, is about to burst and reveal all its true contents. This is indirectly confirmed by the activization of various political and near-political forces whose activities, one way or another, relate to the situation in the Middle East.

C-300 - think about democratizing Syria three hundred times


Not so long ago, the Russian president was literally attacked by foreign "partners" with his visits. The American delegation, the British, then the Israeli. Making the effort, the heads of the delegations smiled crookedly and tried to keep a calm look, which, however, not all and not always succeeded. Obviously, the main message of those visits to Russia is the desire to convince Vladimir Putin that he refuse to support the current Syrian authorities. And most importantly, he refused to supply the C-300 ZRS to Syria, otherwise these same systems will obviously interfere with the "democratization" of the country under the strict guidance of the United States, Great Britain, Israel and other global democrats of our time.
“Vladimir, my friend, maybe you don’t need it ...” - this is an approximate translation of those appeals from the above delegates to the Russian president during their visits to Russia and negotiations with Putin.

“It’s necessary, Benny, it’s necessary!” - Vladimir Putin’s exemplary answer to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who had already decided to “test” the Syrian air defense a couple of times with his planes, and found out that without the Russian C-300, this defense of “democratization” lends itself quite easily .

And on Thursday, Syrian President Assad, during an interview with Al-Manar (a Lebanese television station), stated that Syria had already received the first batch of C-300 SAMs from Russia, and after a while the remaining party would also arrive in the country. These words of Bashar al-Assad quickly dispersed on the Web with the help of Lebanese, Syrian and Israeli publications and television channels. If you believe Assad, then Putin’s message in the form of “We must, Benya, it is necessary!” Has worked, and now with the announcement of the no-fly zone over Syria there will be no particular problems for Assad himself. Well, in the sense that as soon as in the sky over a country engulfed in civil war and under attack by radicals of all stripes, some kind of “flying” F-16 appears, then a system capable of hitting aerodynamic targets at altitudes up to 27 km and at a distance of 150 km, this board will land quite effectively ... Forcing to land (at least in parts), if you like ...

One can imagine how this fact was "delighted" by Israeli, American and other "friends" of Syria. At the same time, violent "joy" was demonstrated even before the start of deliveries. For example, two Israeli ministers dispersed in earnest, stating that Israel knows what to do if C-300 are delivered to Syria. These ministers are Moshe Ya'alon (Minister of Defense) and Yuval Steinitz (Minister for Intelligence and Strategic Planning). But they knew “before” ... And now what? Now, something like C-300 is in the hands of Syrian government troops, if this is, of course, not a big disinformation, launched to achieve certain goals ... And if so, what will Mr. Yaalon start doing the same? If he is well acquainted with the characteristics of the Russian modernized C-300 ZRS, then the only option here is something like this: urgently go to the Wailing Wall and “own sorrow” about this to quench ...

It is worth recalling that the C-300PM air defense missile system, which is about deliveries in Syria and was in Russian-Syrian contracts, is a system of medium (long) range. The number of targets fired is 6, followed by targets is 12. The complex consists of 48 rockets capable of hitting targets at a speed of about 1800 m / s. To deploy the complex takes no more than five minutes. The rocket in use is 48H6, having a length of 7,5 m and a diameter of 0,519 m. The warhead of a rocket weighs about 145 kg. Today such a defensive weapons In addition to the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Greece, and China possess; Moreover, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Greece are NATO countries.

Interestingly, the words of Assad that the first batch of Russian C-300 came to Syria were published immediately after the information appeared about the intention of EU officials to lift the embargo on the supply of arms to Syria. The authorities of individual EU countries can get the opportunity to supply weapons to Syrian militants unilaterally without the need to coordinate such supplies directly with the EU authorities. The term of the embargo ends on May 31, and after that, the EU states alone may be able to transfer arms to the Syrian “opposition” directly. The embargo, reportedly, could be extended and all EU members without exception would be obliged to comply with it, but only in the EU does the horror story about the use of chemical weapons in Syria continue. Needless to say, it is the Syrian government forces that are able to use weapons of mass destruction in Brussels. The fact that this was done as an obvious provocation by radical Islamists is out of the question, although the evidence base is more than convincing.

Is it worth being killed about the fact that now even Europeans can directly get an opportunity to provide support to Syrian extremists? It would be possible to get killed if Syrian militants had not received any help before. But the presence of Western (plus Turkish, Israeli, Qatari) small arms, armored vehicles, equipment, MANPADS, mines, communications and navigation systems suggests that all this fussing with the embargo is nothing more than fuss. The embargo was only a cover for the Western world (well, the EU, at least) to cover up the illegal supply of weapons to the radicals in Syria. Like, look - we don’t deliver any weapons to the Syrian government forces, which means we are keeping the embargo .. But, excuse me, we didn’t wait for, for example, the British suddenly began to deliver weapons to the Assad troops ...

And if now the observance of the embargo on individual EU countries does not apply, then the EU finally signs off in a desire to support a motley crowd of extremists in Syria. Again to support extremists ... And yet this is already something that clearly resembles frank sadomasochism. At a time when European countries themselves are suffering from rising radical Islamist sentiments, when extremists allow themselves to keep in fear entire urban areas of the cities of the once calm old Europe, European leaders are ready to support Syrian militants with all their might. The disease is serious and requires effective treatment ...

But if the European leaders are not friendly with the head, then what about the Israeli authorities, who are going to solve the Syrian issue in the same way? One gets the impression that Israel wants to receive at its side another pseudo-state in which radical sentiments will reign that can ultimately spill over against Israel itself. If there is little Palestine, infinitely revolutionary Egypt, and if there is a desire to be in the tight circle of "friends" from among the radical Islamists with the elevation of this to the degree of chaos, carnage and clan fighting (as in Libya, for example), then Israel can only wish: forward and with a song! .. If the head on the shoulders of Israeli politicians has remained, then it is time to reconsider its policy towards the current Syrian authorities. At the very least, Netanyahu managed to besiege Minister Ya'alon, from his office, saying that he bit his tongue about Israel’s determination to solve the Syrian issue now. What is it? A glimpse of reason or a banal reassurance related to the advent of Russian C-300 in Syria? The second in this situation looks more likely ... Well, if there is no gray matter of its own, then C-300 adds it.

By the way, all the lamentations of the West and its allies about Russia's supply of S-300 to Syria, generally speaking, are unreasonable. ZRS-300 - a weapon of clearly defensive nature. And when you consider that the Syrian "opposition" has aviation no, but, therefore, it is difficult to use these complexes against it (the “opposition”), then the West, together with Israel, gives itself off with all its giblets. Between the lines regarding the American (European and Israeli) concern about the Russian supply of anti-aircraft missile systems reads: “Putin, what have you done! We already wanted to send our bombers to the skies above Syria, and you ... "Well, in words: wai-wai-wai - support for an authoritarian system, wai-wai-wai - axis of evil, wai-wai-wai - opposition to democracy ...

Yes, we heard all this already. Has got it already! Not impressive. And if they want to talk about it, then let them talk with our C-300 - heart to heart ... Maybe those foolish ones will beat out ...
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  1. Dima190579
    +82
    31 May 2013 07: 54
    Oh, God forbid, of course, but I would like to see with just one eye how C-300 will be foolish of NATO and Israel. Well, very interesting.
    1. +34
      31 May 2013 08: 04
      Quote: Dima190579
      but I would like to see how the S-300 will be out of NATO and Israel and they will knock out nonsense at least with one eye.

      Everything will depend on who will sit at the complexes, if the Syrians, then I have no confidence in the success. Yes, and it’s not clear where the complexes are now, in Syria or not.
      1. +32
        31 May 2013 08: 26
        I recently read on the site that it seems like our advisers will go again. Such weapons systems cannot be left just like that. They have already been burned more than once during the Arab-Israeli conflicts.
        1. +30
          31 May 2013 09: 06
          Our specialists are already there. And the Syrian calculations of officers for almost a year weaned from us
          1. Che
            Che
            +3
            31 May 2013 18: 08
            When enemy aircraft raids, you must fight and not pray on the rug. If so, then success is guaranteed. I hope that under the conditions of intervention in Syria, the army will act accordingly.
            1. +4
              1 June 2013 22: 26
              In the 7 century, during the period of conquest wars and the formation of the Arab caliphate under the leadership of Magomed, the Arabs did not have a habit of praying to Allah five times a day, and then they were reborn, lost their fighting spirit and now we have what we have
        2. +5
          31 May 2013 09: 08
          Quote: belij
          I recently read on the site that it seems like our advisers will go again.

          If they go, then this media will not get into the media. The rest is speculation.
        3. kavkaz8888
          +2
          31 May 2013 09: 18
          Already gone. 25 or 26.05
          1. +2
            31 May 2013 09: 35
            Quote: kavkaz8888
            Already gone. 25 or 26.05

            They told you themselves that they were leaving?
        4. 0
          31 May 2013 09: 22
          not the fact that they are already there !!!
          1. artemiy
            +13
            31 May 2013 11: 07
            our ships are constantly cruising to Syria! And they’re definitely not taking diapers!
            1. Gemar
              +7
              31 May 2013 11: 25
              Quote: artemiy
              our ships are constantly cruising to Syria! And they’re definitely not taking diapers!

              drinks
              And no ties. wink
              1. lapis lazuli
                +3
                2 June 2013 08: 34
                Quote: Gamar
                And no ties
                But no!
                Ties back in 2008 all devoured
        5. Kirgudum
          +2
          31 May 2013 11: 35
          There is information that our advisers are already there.
          1. 0
            31 May 2013 12: 47
            eat little
        6. Rusich
          +13
          31 May 2013 11: 58
          for your attention !!! We will win !!!!
      2. +13
        31 May 2013 09: 49
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .Yes and it’s not clear where the complexes are now, in Syria or not.

        Romanitch, until there is at least one downed target, they will be cherished like the apple of an eye. And hide the mother do not worry. So the question is whether they are already there, I will answer - I think that is.
        1. +7
          31 May 2013 10: 03
          Quote: Manager
          I will answer - I think that is.

          Putin knows for sure, but the infection is silent laughing
          1. +1
            1 June 2013 03: 46
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Putin knows for sure, but the infection is silent

            As an indigenous Petersburger, he could have told me Yes wassat
        2. 101
          101
          -2
          31 May 2013 20: 48
          I believe that iconic weapons in such situations cannot be used in any case. They will not play a key role with 300, and a fiasco with their use or destruction will inflict a crushing blow on the image of Russian weapons. And crocodile tears about the fear of our weapons and the escalation of hysteria about their deliveries are most likely enhance the effect of what can and is the ultimate goal of our well-wishers their mother
          1. Katsin
            -8
            1 June 2013 08: 47
            You say everything correctly, only who will listen to you? They would only wave a saber and earn and razderibanit. Now it’s 900 million. And that after such delivery and destruction of the S-300 no one else will buy this system, they don’t think about it ...
            1. +6
              1 June 2013 11: 16
              Israel and Nato waving a saber. And for a long time. And the use of our air defense in battle is a chance to work out a real defense and discover its weaknesses. And to discover not at the moment when the NATO planes will iron Moscow.
              1. -5
                1 June 2013 11: 29
                Quote: zvereok
                And the use of our air defense in battle is a chance to work out a real defense and discover its weaknesses.

                You think it will be someone to tell. Or do you think. that in case of conflict, someone will patiently sit and write down the advantages and disadvantages. and then transfer it to Russia?
                Everything will be simple. the system worked out. or not. Most likely not, because the fact that the s-300 will be suppressed is not in doubt among the majority of site visitors. But that’s why it didn’t work. have to think for yourself.
                In general, the hope of a miracle weapon, the one and only one that can turn the whole situation overnight - these are dreams known from the Second World War. But the prodigy does not exist. And the S-300 is not even relevant to it.
                1. Baboon
                  +3
                  1 June 2013 12: 00
                  Well, of course, Israel will succeed in crushing the S-300, in any case, no matter how much they are sent there. And you write with such gloating, just as if you were just waiting for this? And suppressing will most likely not be by airplanes, right?
                  1. +1
                    2 June 2013 08: 18
                    Quote: Babon
                    Well, of course, Israel will succeed in crushing the S-300, in any case, no matter how much they are sent there. And you write with such gloating, just as if you were just waiting for this?

                    Well in war as in war.

                    Quote: Babon
                    And suppressing will most likely not be by airplanes, right?

                    Do not know request
                2. Che
                  Che
                  +1
                  2 June 2013 15: 24
                  Atalef S-300 is a good weapon in good hands. If the Syrians are good students, then the aggressor is kirdyk. And you don’t have a miracle of weapons, they stole a vigorous bomb - I can’t deny this.
                  1. -1
                    2 June 2013 18: 33
                    Quote: Che
                    And you don’t have a miracle of weapons, they stole a vigorous bomb - I can’t deny this.

                    Who and how?
                  2. -2
                    2 June 2013 20: 02
                    Quote: Che
                    Atalef S-300 is a good weapon in good hands

                    Yes maybe . or maybe not. I would say - potentially good. While in battle it was not verified. do not say so clearly.
                    We can say that all the air defense of Syria (including the Shell, Buki and everything else, as well as the personnel. Organization and combat training) is complete bullshit. And to this statement I have undeniable facts.
                    It's too early to talk about the rest and about the S-300, the same thing.
              2. 101
                101
                -2
                1 June 2013 17: 56
                It’s like they’ll iron Moscow, it’s not messed up.
                1. Baboon
                  +3
                  1 June 2013 22: 35
                  What do you want to surprise? I passed the exams before the exam, and managed to go to the army, what do you want to surprise me with?
                  1. 101
                    101
                    0
                    1 June 2013 23: 24
                    Ege is a beast that suffers for Moscow. This is a little higher post.
            2. Baboon
              +2
              1 June 2013 12: 11
              Write cruelly, let them buy, there are countries with different levels of development on our planet)) But it’s true that the Arabs do not want to trust the image of Russian weapons, this is not only about the Syrians. The Egyptians disgraced themselves even steeper, it was necessary for them to arrange this in the Sinai, they are not warriors, they were not offended, but the bazaar was their destiny.
              1. +4
                1 June 2013 12: 33
                Quote: Babon
                The Egyptians became even more disgraced, it was necessary for them to arrange this in the Sinai,


                if you're talking about the doomsday war
                then I have a curious reference.

                quote:As we learned from the found memorandum, the rulers of Egypt, Israel and the United States entered into a conspiracy in 1973. They staged and conducted the “October War” - the Jews call it the “Doomsday War”, and the Arabs “the Ramadan War”. During its course, the sovereign ruler of Egypt, Anuar al-Sadat, betrayed the Arab cause, betrayed his military ally - Syria and doomed her army to destruction, gave the Palestinians to be eaten, betrayed friendship with the Soviet Union. The United States played Egypt, and then other countries in the region.

                I draw attention to the fact that this is written by an Israeli who was directly involved in the war.

                taken:http://www.israelshamir.net/ru/ruart205.htm
                1. Baboon
                  +1
                  1 June 2013 12: 36
                  The link is absolutely true, while Israel destroyed the Syrian army, the Egyptians generally do not understand what they were doing, they are not fighting!
              2. +1
                1 June 2013 22: 35
                Arabs are no longer warriors, from the 8 century, after the collapse of the Arab Caliphate
        3. +2
          1 June 2013 11: 13
          The presence of C300 is the presence of a weapon of retaliation, which will come from fired aircraft in the territories of neighboring countries, the blanks themselves, as far as possible they should intercept the beeches and shells. And then С300 changes its location. Friends of Syria cannot have satellites in the sky hanging around the clock to track the C300. And with no pilots, the same medium-range air defense will cope.

          The main danger is saboteurs and massive air raids, in the first case, when the destruction of air defense, the friends of Syria can do with little blood. In the second, larger.
      3. OTAKE
        +2
        31 May 2013 10: 10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Dima190579
        but I would like to see how the S-300 will be out of NATO and Israel and they will knock out nonsense at least with one eye.

        Everything will depend on who will sit at the complexes, if the Syrians, then I have no confidence in the success. Yes, and it’s not clear where the complexes are now, in Syria or not.

        The S-300 will not change the weather there, it can only feel better psychologically, but in fact it needs a layered modern air defense to withstand at least Israel, not that there .. NATO ..
        1. +17
          31 May 2013 10: 28
          Enough 10-15 pcs. downed NATO or Israel planes, so that they would think differently about the unmanned zone.
          1. smprofi
            +5
            31 May 2013 12: 20
            Quote: sasha.28blaga
            what would they think differently about unmanned zone.

            so oh unmanned planes in the West, yes, they thought about it. and besides reconnaissance, yes, there are shock versions of the UAV. and are successfully applied. and on this occasion the Congress even instituted a medal, for the "soldiers" of the "distance" war
          2. -1
            31 May 2013 12: 22
            Quote: sasha.28blaga
            Enough 10-15 pcs. downed NATO or Israel planes, so that they would think differently about the unmanned zone.

            I won’t say anything about NATO, but for Israel it’s enough 1-2, not 10-15, only together with air defense advisers, you need to carry a couple more battalions of ground protection advisers
            1. +15
              31 May 2013 12: 27
              C'mon, for two years the Syrians have learned to strangle terrorists well. So that your terrorists will be strangled. They will protect these systems more strongly than Assad’s eyes.
              1. +13
                31 May 2013 16: 23
                Quote: alicante11
                in two years, the Syrians have learned to strangle terrorists well. So that your terrorists will be strangled.


                do not underestimate the Israeli specialists, one of the best in the world (certainly better than the state one)

                and by the way, a joke:Marines

                The US Army is the most ... decide for yourself which one.

                Israel, 98th year. KMB base on the seashore. I am a lieutenant, an officer on duty at the base. Call from the gate - representatives of American Marines have arrived, their "guide" is late, go meet. I'm fine with English, so I go and meet. 3 hulks, 2 meters by one and a half, Arnold is a dwarf next to them. Polkan, his chief of staff and ensign, the so-called sergeant - major. How can I serve? They, it turns out, after a week of training, are going to land on the shore of the base. We came to inspect the area. Well, we can do that.

                Let's go ashore. They look around, write something in notebooks, and finally they are interested in:
                “Sir, what kind of antennas are there?”
                “This,” I reply, “is the Navy base Dugit.”
                “And what kind of concrete building is this a mile south of this base?”
                “This,” I answer, “is the base of the Palestinian commandos.” Dugit is located right on the border with Gaza.

                Prapor makes big eyes, turns to his polkan and stretches out at attention, says:
                - Sir, may I ask ...
                “Ask,” he agrees.
                “Sir, Gaza, is that not where Arafat is sitting?”

                Polkan turns to me in surprise. I explain that yes, this is the same Gaza, part of the Palestinian Authority, and Arafat very often happens there. Now the big eyes are made by the whole trinity.

                At this excursion was hastily completed. Arriving half an hour later, the Israeli major paratrooper, who did not meet the Americans because of traffic jams, ran out of me all the profanity. The final - the exercises of the proud US naval assault were canceled, and the very next day the entire squadron disappeared from the horizon. And today, when I see reports of the heroic actions of Marines in Venezuela, excuse me, Afghanistan, for some reason I laugh. The devil knows why.


                true or not. judge for yourself.

                wink
                1. +2
                  2 June 2013 15: 24
                  Well, whether it's true or not, it's not for me to judge. And, of course, Jewish elephants are the most elephant elephants in the world :). But, nevertheless, the Syrians now have fresh experience. Moreover, not against inept "rebels", but against fully trained militants and special forces of all countries "friends of Syria". So with all due respect, but wash yourself in blood.
                2. Che
                  Che
                  +1
                  2 June 2013 15: 36
                  Quote: Rider
                  do not underestimate the Israeli specialists, one of the best in the world (certainly better than the state one)


                  I agree with you, but they are not gods. It all depends on the Syrians, they want to fight for their freedom, they have enough determination, they will turn the tide in their favor, they will not bow down on rugs and fight - they will defeat any aggressor.
                  I wish Syria’s good neighbors, but there’s what it is,
            2. +13
              31 May 2013 12: 30
              I agree completely, one thing with the militants and another thing against the Israeli special forces. Here, for each complex, a motorized rifle battalion is needed. Most likely the guard will guard.
              1. rolik
                +5
                31 May 2013 14: 59
                Quote: Sith Lord
                . Most likely the guard will guard.

                During the Arab-Israeli conflict, our new MIGs were guarded by our own guys.
                1. +1
                  31 May 2013 18: 05
                  Because the Arab chiefs were rightly afraid that their "elite troops" would be bought for a couple of dollars. In the Arab world, this has been accepted since the time of the bow and arrow. So let's check whether Assad is supported or not. The Israelis will announce the destruction of the C 300 complex, if the information is confirmed - it is senseless to support Syria, without treason, and quite massive, this can only be done by a full-fledged military operation.
                  And even if no faithful troops were found at this, then the anti-people regime. If they destroy it by sheer stupidity and sloppiness (also common in the East), the Syrians are again not worth the support. To support a fool - only to drop yourself. In general, with 300 here they test not only their fighting qualities and not even so much of them ...
                  1. -3
                    31 May 2013 20: 13
                    During the Arab-Israeli period, the USSR provided the Arabs with a huge amount of modern and reliable weapons and equipment, which was stupidly lost and destroyed by the Jews. There is no need to help, they still will not be paid as always.
                    1. 0
                      2 June 2013 15: 25
                      so ALREADY paid. And the Iranians also made an advance. So here without a kid.
                  2. 0
                    31 May 2013 21: 45
                    Why? UAV and strike with precision missiles. There are units that specialize in this. They can work for tens of kilometers from the target.

                    Maglan, for example.
                  3. 0
                    1 June 2013 09: 07
                    Yes-ah ... Although I do not want to believe it, it’s very close to the bitter truth.
                    Although now in Syria the massacre on religious grounds is already, they may not be bought from a principled position ...
                    Regards mirag2.
              2. 0
                31 May 2013 21: 43
                With modern spike missiles, for example, not a single battalion will help. 8-25 km - depending on the version - and there is no complex. This is if to realities. The question is at the point of installation and armament. If they bet, then it is not quantity that will play a role, but means of camouflage, etc.
                1. Genady1976
                  +1
                  31 May 2013 22: 03
                  Maybe, but who knows for sure no one until this happens and for now 50/50
                2. ixsus
                  +1
                  31 May 2013 23: 06
                  I heard about Spike, a good thing, but dear.
                  1. Genady1976
                    +4
                    31 May 2013 23: 33
                    I heard a lot about Poplar
                    1. ixsus
                      +2
                      31 May 2013 23: 45
                      laughing
                      Well, pr Poplar, I also heard and read a lot, about Yars, about the Governor. But we have IT, but they DO NOT !!!
                      +
                      Well, poplar, of course, is more expensive, but the class is different, and I think we won’t use it there, although for some, if only for prevention, not the nuclear part, it would be possible if the situation gets to an escalation.
                  2. -2
                    1 June 2013 00: 33
                    Depends on the version. All modern weapons are not cheap. Life of a soldier and achievement of a goal is even more expensive
                3. posad
                  +4
                  1 June 2013 07: 07
                  But how fun it will be when the Jews begin to bring down! That will be joy!)))))
            3. smprofi
              +3
              31 May 2013 12: 49
              Quote: Toit
              enough for Israel 1-2

              Yes?
              Israel’s total losses in the 1973 war were, according to Israeli data, 110 combat aircraft.


              In total, from June 6 to June 11, 1982, the Israeli Air Force, according to data published in the Soviet press, lost 58 aircraft (50 aircraft and 8 unmanned aircraft)
              According to American sources, Israel lost 10 aircraft, including two A-4s, one F-4E and one F-I6A

              the Jews will be at war, if necessary.
              But NATa ... here is the real question: if a no-fly zone is simply announced, and the "peacekeepers" are shot down in more or less serious numbers, then NATa will stop flying.
              if a full-scale war does not start ...
              1. +14
                31 May 2013 14: 13
                I do not agree, the time is now consumers and overweight and general laziness and do not care.
                If the 1940s in a month the USA or Europe could lose 10 - 000 soldiers and public opinion took it for granted and no one protested against the war.
                В 1950s 1 - 000 soldiers.
                В 1960s already 500 - 2 per month and then the protests against the war began. Etc.
                В 1990s already 100-500 soldiers and the people began to resent.
                And now 2010-2020 years already worrying loss of 50-100 soldiers per month.

                Therefore, the loss of 10 aircraft and about 100 soldiers will be a strong blow to any army. Now public opinion is tender.
                1. Gari
                  +9
                  31 May 2013 14: 49
                  Quote: Sith Lord
                  Therefore, the loss of 10 aircraft and about 100 soldiers will be a strong blow to any army. Now public opinion is tender.


                  That's right, a very tender society in the West (geyvrop) is because public opinion is tender
                2. +5
                  31 May 2013 18: 09
                  Quote: Sith Lord
                  Now public opinion is tender.

                  Europe, like on the eve of the 2-th MV, is not mentally prepared to sacrifice well-being and fight (in principle) for the interests of others. Maybe for the sake of demonstrating Atlantic solidarity, they lazily shoot from afar. The main violin will be played by the States and Iziki.
                  But I suddenly thought that they could use the newly admitted members of the bloc, who will crawl out of their skin, to prove their loyalty and "need" to the bloc.
                3. +6
                  31 May 2013 18: 10
                  But. Not only tender. You do not take into account that this very opinion has also become ... absolutely powerless! It now resembles a bunch in the water. Well, another grandfather will shoot himself, so what? Now you can spit on the opinion and nothing will happen. Gone are the days when Europeans were able to overthrow governments. So it’s just that they’ll declare the losses not from combat, but from dezenteria. Well, the loss of private security companies. Opinion and calm down ...
                4. ixsus
                  +1
                  31 May 2013 23: 15
                  Vladyka has precisely noticed that soon they will fight with drones, soon they will be indignant at the death of each soldier. Progress is underway and I think it’s right, let it be better iron than man. But still, nothing replaced the person on the battlefield !!!
              2. +2
                31 May 2013 14: 32
                Quote: smprofi
                Yes?

                At 73 they attacked us, there is a different alignment
                1. smprofi
                  +7
                  31 May 2013 15: 12
                  Quote: Toit
                  73 attacked us

                  yes, but in the 82nd it was a little different

                  but minus Toit sculpt in vain
                2. +10
                  31 May 2013 15: 14
                  And the Jews are pink and fluffy - they didn’t attack you, but tried to clear you of the foreign lands that you had seized, which sooner or later would happen anyway, not just like that, the mattresses even wrote off you as a state from the account by the 2030 year, but, I think this will happen sooner as soon as the mattresses cannot finance you in the same volume, without their money you are zero without a stick.
                  1. potach
                    -5
                    31 May 2013 18: 03
                    It’s too easy for your small country to stand up for itself, which has been proven more than once, “And it produces weapons and sells them successfully.” By the way. fifth in the world. And what kind of weapon one Iron Dome is worth if you know what it is. And if necessary, then with the C300 next. For a long time in Greece we trained with their complex and very successfully. So Israel stood and will stand. And the land is our 5000 lieutenant
                    1. +1
                      31 May 2013 18: 47
                      In Russia, your electronics did not hurt, it was quickly abandoned by us.
                      1. -5
                        31 May 2013 21: 49
                        The processor you are currently working on is most likely developed in Israel.

                        http://habrahabr.ru/company/intel/blog/144767/
                    2. 0
                      1 June 2013 09: 21
                      Yes, it sells. In no case I won’t say that the IDF’s weapons are bad. But how and what sells ... Can we recall the contract with Estonia? Small, weak and unrequited? Which sold substandard small arms, with the condition that Estonia purchased agricultural products from kibbutsev.A complex of electronic intelligence for the Syrian Sunnis? It also increases the intensity of hostilities in Syria.
                      1. -3
                        1 June 2013 09: 25
                        Quote: mirag2
                        Which sold substandard small arms, with the condition of purchase by Estonia of agricultural products from kibbutzim.

                        Where did the firewood come from? More?

                        Quote: mirag2
                        And the electronic intelligence complex for the Syrian Sunnis?

                        Photo of the complex pliz. wink
                      2. 0
                        1 June 2013 09: 37
                        1) I apologize, I can’t remember now where the woods came from, where I read about it, or now I need to verify the authenticity of the source? Maybe we’ll do it together? Do you have the same network and keyboard? I’m not too lazy. And you?
                        2) And I saw a jeep with a filling in the ANNANWES agency report, but I won’t say it in either now. I absorb too much information. But most likely in the last month or even more likely in the last three weeks.
                        So, what do we look together for information on Estonian supplies? I will not spend one time.
                      3. -4
                        1 June 2013 09: 40
                        I was looking for reviews there about Galil. I didn’t find anything like that.

                        Quote: mirag2
                        And I saw a jeep with a stuffing in the ANNANWES agency report, but I won’t say it in either one now. I absorb too much information.

                        They didn’t show any filling there, but only an old jeep not used in the IDF.
                      4. +1
                        1 June 2013 09: 49
                        You’re right that you didn’t show the filling, but TOLD it, and I don’t have any reason to not believe ANNANWES reporters. I can believe them the same way you can not believe them. So?
                        Maybe for you a model of honesty and truth
                        CNN about the rebels — I will not try to influence your opinion about this.
                      5. -2
                        1 June 2013 10: 06
                        Quote: mirag2
                        You’re right that you didn’t show the filling, but TOLD it, and I don’t have any reason to not believe ANNANWES reporters. I can believe them the same way you can not believe them. So?

                        Are these the ones who found an Israeli-made Lau launcher in Syria? laughing

                        Here is a link to selling defective weapons by Israel to Estonia from Wikipedia, should I still try for you?

                        Try for yourself. Wiki doesn't roll, not seriously.

                        PS
                        About the production of kibbutzim generally amused. They have no problems with sales (the main item of their income is far from agriculture) and they do not belong to the state in order to link their transactions with sales from these collective farms.
                      6. -1
                        1 June 2013 10: 13
                        Lord, well, I honestly don’t want to search, dig. I don’t know, all the more so as authority for you. Probably DEBKA. COM or JEANS? They don’t write about it there.
                      7. 0
                        1 June 2013 09: 43
                        Here is a link to selling defective weapons by Israel to Estonia from Wikipedia, should I still try for you?
                        Thank you for your attention.u.wikipedia.org / wiki / Estonian Armed Forces
                  2. potach
                    -11
                    31 May 2013 18: 03
                    It’s too easy for your small country to stand up for itself, which has been proven more than once, “And it produces weapons and sells them successfully.” By the way. fifth in the world. And what kind of weapon one Iron Dome is worth if you know what it is. And if necessary, then with the C300 next. For a long time in Greece we trained with their complex and very successfully. So Israel stood and will stand. And the land is our 5000 lieutenant
                    1. Che
                      Che
                      +2
                      31 May 2013 18: 26
                      To maintain their statehood, make independent, competent and wise decisions. And do not go in the wake of the criminal policy of amers. Produce everything yourself, where there is raw material then, there is no raw material base.
                    2. The comment was deleted.
                    3. +1
                      1 June 2013 10: 38
                      A small country can stand up for itself because there is a large country behind it, which is not constrained in funds due to the presence of a printing press. That's just the "phenomenon of Israel".
                3. Che
                  Che
                  +1
                  31 May 2013 18: 19
                  I don’t see the difference, you are generally surrounded by a hostile Arab world.
                4. +3
                  31 May 2013 21: 55
                  Quote: Toit
                  At 73 they attacked us, there is a different alignment

                  Yeah! you were attacked in the 73rd ... What good things!
                  And what did Israel from 1947 to 73rd, let's remember together?
                  For clarity, you can still see a map of how the borders of Israel have changed from 1947 to 1973.
                  And then we will think who was "attacked" and why?
                  1. -3
                    1 June 2013 00: 35
                    The USSR appeared Kaliningrad region. Does this mean that the USSR attacked Germany?
            4. xan
              +4
              31 May 2013 14: 16
              Quote: Toit
              I won’t say anything about NATO, but for Israel it’s enough 1-2, not 10-15, only together with air defense advisers, you need to carry a couple more battalions of ground protection advisers

              Now the main task is to make sure that the S-300 is not found
              and the Jews will not fly until they find and destroy him
              Jews must look for him as long as possible and not find him
              very difficult task for the Syrians
              1. +9
                31 May 2013 14: 50
                Almost a week ago I wrote that the S-300 would be a bargaining chip in Assad’s hands. He will use it last and will not shine ahead of time.
                1. 0
                  31 May 2013 18: 52
                  Well, why not show, shoot down a couple of planes and come without a flight zone for all enemy planes, and hide the rest of the complexes.
              2. +1
                31 May 2013 18: 49
                Hide, for them it is the price of life.
            5. 0
              31 May 2013 18: 36
              The Syrians themselves will be well guarded, these complexes for them - life itself and victory. fool
            6. -1
              1 June 2013 11: 19
              Quote: Toit
              only with air defense advisers, you need to carry a couple more battalions of ground protection advisers


              It is right. Like the USA, in which the army is fighting, and private army companies bear the losses.
        2. Nitup
          +4
          31 May 2013 13: 44
          Quote: OTAKE
          The S-300 will not change the weather there, it can only feel better psychologically, but in fact it needs a layered modern air defense to withstand at least Israel, not like that .. NATO
          There are still Shells and Buki
        3. +5
          31 May 2013 17: 34
          Quote: OTAKE
          C-300 will not change the weather there,

          And it is not necessary, he will perform the functions of a "dead hand" there - let the cruise missile launched from the plane fly in and destroy the target, but the pilot will no longer recognize this wink, and he will fail already to be saved - it’s not C75, when they almost saw the rocket in the air, THIS rocket has three times the speed. am
        4. +3
          31 May 2013 17: 50
          Quote: OTAKE
          need layered modern air defense to withstand

          Right. therefore Our typical ZRV regiment now organizationally it will consist of 2 S-400 divisions and the Pantsirei division to protect them from enemy air forces. Plus "ambushes" from MANPADS shooters in the most dangerous areas of missile defense. Of course, other measures of protection and defense of the regiment's strategic positions are also needed.
        5. warrior
          +3
          1 June 2013 12: 19
          Jews have long been fucking ....
      4. artemiy
        +4
        31 May 2013 11: 03
        S-300 brought along with our specialists! So I think the Syrian soldier will learn in a short time!
        1. +18
          31 May 2013 12: 34
          The Union and Russia have never sold weapons without training soldiers of the customer.
          The Union and Russia never sold weapons until the trained soldiers of our customer passed the exams.
          The Union and Russia have never sold weapons without the accompaniment and supervision of advisers.
        2. 0
          31 May 2013 12: 47
          short terms are not 2 years old. so much is needed to prepare a sensible conscript soldier
          1. +6
            31 May 2013 14: 57
            in air defense, the basis of combat crews is officers and not soldiers. A soldier may be sitting there behind the wheel of a car.
            1. +4
              31 May 2013 16: 28
              Oh well ... Greetings to you from the sergeant RTV air defense regiment chief radar P-14.
              So all is absent. ALL air defense begins with RTV, namely with meter stations. And the operators at the stations are ordinary and non-commissioned officers.
              And even if my p-14 +’s accuracy is 10 km, this is quite enough for issuing a command and control center at the IAP or air defense missile system, which I actually did hundreds of times during the service through the command post of my ORLR.
          2. +3
            31 May 2013 16: 35
            More or less like this. Although a year later I already gave the standard for 1 category to track 20 targets per minute, and after 1.5 it was easy in general 30. Although during the exercises, if - the Migari-31 pipe was flown through the "OCHKO" (IKO), it was very difficult to determine who-where. The speeds are high - about 1200-2500.
            But you also need to track the request.
      5. +3
        31 May 2013 11: 30
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Everything will depend on who will sit at the complexes, if the Syrians, then I have no confidence in the success

        Yes, and in order to solve the problem of the carelessness of the Arabs, there is only one way out to automate the system to the maximum, so that the Syrian only needs to press one button "Destroy the target". Yes, and TOPs would be there because they are already like that.
        1. smprofi
          -9
          31 May 2013 12: 14
          Quote: DEfindER
          there is only one way to automate the system to the maximum,

          what is the little thing in dreams?
          S-300 remote control directly from Russia!
          flood Syria with military robots, on land and in the air!
          include Syria as an autonomous region in Russia!

          Well, and some other ury-patriotic delirium to choose from.

          DEfindERgo down to the sinful earth!
          1. +2
            31 May 2013 14: 02
            Quote: smprofi
            what is the little thing in dreams?

            In general, any export equipment is done taking into account the peculiarities of the buyer's country, there are many examples from AK-47 for Libya, firing bursts of no more than 3 rounds, and to aircraft modified for India and China. I think to put an extra control unit, not so expensive, the problem is time, which is not for the development of this unit ..
            The question arises: why didn’t they immediately put it on our S-300s, I think firstly this complex was developed in the 70s, secondly, the preparation of calculations was carried out at the highest level, and purely trust in the destruction of such targets as airplanes of all types, we they don’t want to, especially since there were precedents for the downing of civilian aircraft in exercises.
            TORs strike mainly small missiles at short distances, they can be automated, which they did.
            1. +1
              31 May 2013 19: 02
              Of course, the complexes go there only through modernization. It is possible that such blocks are there.
          2. potach
            -9
            31 May 2013 18: 08
            And not weak. Something is not visible, so that something new has appeared in you. You also want to. Manage from Russia.
          3. potach
            -9
            31 May 2013 18: 09
            And not weak. Something is not visible, so that something new has appeared in you. You also want to. Manage from Russia.
            1. SSR
              +5
              31 May 2013 23: 36
              Quote: potach
              And not weak. Something is not visible, so that something new has appeared in you. You also want to.

              Schoolboy, go study and expand your horizons ... for a small example ..
              Centrifuges similar to Russian ones do not exist in the world ... into space to the second station after our MIR and now the ISS .. passengers are delivered by our carriers ... the West generally considered the third NK-33 rocket engine a crazy enterprise .. fourth .. shkolo. Tetris created in Russia ..
              the fifth PakFa, but the sixth with the rudeness onli fo yu .. a pimply young man .. there is no more powerful than the Russian "daddy of bombs" in the world .... go young man and study further on advo balabola. I can continue indefinitely but this is a waste of time on the "humpback".
      6. smprofi
        +11
        31 May 2013 12: 08
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Everything will depend on who will sit at the complexes

        that's right!
        while in Libya there were simply Soviet-made air defense systems - the gringos and the Saxons raided Tripoli. as soon as the Soviet crews took over the duty, the raids stopped. Two years ago there were no Soviet (Russian or other) specialists in Libya. SAM - were. not a single "peacekeeping aircraft" was shot down ...
        As for Syria ... in 73, Soviet advisers worked on the same "Squares" ("Cubes"), and not only on them. a fair number of Israelis were shot down. in 82, in the Bekaa valley, the Syrians lost their entire air defense system. there were complaints about "poor quality" equipment. analysis found that the Syrians violated all the instructions and rules, which led to this result. but the most interesting thing: not a single drop of Arab blood was found on the wreckage of the equipment ...
        S-300 is a serious complex. but the technique itself does nothing. it all depends on crew training. and from tactics of application.

        as for the no-fly zone ... Obama has already given the Pentagon the task of developing a plan to create a no-fly zone. with the participation of the Saxons and paddlers.
        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/28/exclusive-barack-obama-asks-pen
        tagon-for-syria-no-fly-zone-plan.html
        1. +4
          31 May 2013 14: 17
          Gaddafi had French-made targeting systems. They framed our 82s back in the 200nd. Somehow we didn't bother to think that it is very difficult to interface systems of different countries. Now, you see, the "bookmarks" have worked. And without external target designation - the 200 is a fixed target for radar missiles. The Tripolitanian brigade was silent and survived. And the Bengazi opened fire and was suppressed. Apparently, based on experience, they did not shoot now either. Until they crawled up to them from the ground.
          1. smprofi
            +3
            31 May 2013 14: 56
            Quote: alicante11
            Gaddafi had French target designation systems.

            Do not confuse Saddam for an hour? in Iraq, it was precisely non-Soviet-made early warning radars. and the entire air defense system was created by the French. and bookmarks in Iraq in 1991 worked. not only in the radar, but in a communication system based on Siemens AG equipment. and in Iraq, the French Crotale air defense system refused to fire on NATO aircraft.
            and with Libya ... classic photo



            at the initial stage of the NATO raids. as part of a tank column marching on Benghazi, the Osa air defense system. here there is no smell of bookmarks or "glitches" of external target designation. "Wasp" was not even brought into combat position.
            1. postman
              -3
              31 May 2013 16: 25
              Quote: smprofi
              and bookmarks in Iraq in 1991 worked.

              it seems to me about the "bookmarks" philistine trash.
              1. manufacturers are serious, and will not defame their name, reputation
              2. If there were such a case (or at least relatively reliable data) - NOBODY WILL BUY ARMS from such a supplier, ever. And this is reasonable: to fuy spend money on "parade" equipment?
              3. The Arabs screwed up themselves (as always, they have a national habit, well, they are not friends with BT) and they start disinforming to justify their squinting.
              4. There is no reliable data on bookmarks (yes, even from the interested party)
              1. smprofi
                +2
                31 May 2013 17: 41
                Quote: Postman
                manufacturers are serious, and will not defame their name, reputation

                in any serious equipment, the same Cisco or Nortel, there is a backdoor or, in army terminology, a police function.
                Quote: Postman
                No reliable bookmark data

                if you do not know this, this does not mean that they are not. you just have to deal with this issue a bit
                1. postman
                  0
                  31 May 2013 18: 44
                  Quote: smprofi
                  backdoor exists

                  “New entities should not be attracted unless absolutely necessary”
                  This is not the case with military equipment delivered for EXPORT to another country and is provided for in relevant treaties and agreements.
                  Quote: smprofi
                  if you do not know this, this does not mean that they are not.

                  1) Something is known, I personally visited Siemens AG, visited the assembly shop and asked this question. They laughed for a long time and asked a counter question: "Who will buy from us products related to the country's defense, if we can block it at any moment? Do you know such idiots?"
                  (Well, I personally do not know)
                  2) VE Contract with the Ministry of Defense of Egypt (when Mubarak, Hosni was still there), and although there was no electronics there but some spare parts and spare parts for crane equipment (which was supplied to the USSR earlier), all the same dual-use goods - these conditions and sanctions were agreed in advance.
                  Quote: smprofi
                  you just have to deal with this issue a bit

                  I was engaged, and I don’t need to do it, just think, logically:
                  Who will pay the money for what the opposing party can disconnect at any time?
                  1. 0
                    2 June 2013 18: 24
                    But who then confesses to you? Do you know such idiots who will take and openly admit that they regularly bookmark exported military products (and not only exported ones). Or do you still want them to arrange a conference call and say that they put them? :)))
                    1. postman
                      0
                      5 June 2013 18: 39
                      Quote: old man54
                      Do you know such idiots who will take

                      And you know such idiots who REGULARLY will buy equipment with "tabs" in avionics, control systems with the same tabs, radar, air defense, government communications systems.
                      Buy, buy and buy and pay in gold again .....
                      HAVING SUCH "IMPORTANT" information!
                      ?
                      Quote: old man54
                      reported that they put them :)))

                      If they put (LET):
                      1.PPU (in other words, an antenna for receiving a signal) WHERE?
                      2. The unit for processing information and issuing su where?
                      3. Self-contained power supply, additional - where
                      etc.
                      1,2,3 and so on. HOW to hide all this, close access, protect against hacking?
                      4. If they (bookmarks) are, THEN ARE ACTIVATED ONLY IN "War of the loan day" (last), when all FSUs. Or in an attack on the country of origin.
                      And that they (bookmarks) would be activated at the request of the Americans in an ordinary war ....
                      WHO AFTER THIS WILL BUY PRODUCTS ???
                      According to your logic (and some comrades), we kirdyk:
                      domestic FPGA 5576XC4T and 5576XC3T - which are software compatible with Altera but have a different pinout-acquisition of imported microcircuits in the form of plates with a large margin, their testing and packaging

                      domestic ARM - purchased license for Cortex-M3

                      masks are manufactured abroad - not only can they be theoretically copied and studied, masks can be modified - companies like Chipworks are quite capable of this (for example, you can reduce reliability by disrupting the majority logic or damaging the error correction structures)


                      =================
                      The only thing that is permissible and reasonable (and that cannot be controlled):
                      reduce the reliability of the supplied chips
                      for example, it is enough not to add 1% copper to aluminum compounds, or to anneal the chip not in deuterium, but in hydrogen - and the service life will be reduced by 10 times.
              2. +3
                31 May 2013 23: 34
                Quote: Postman
                No reliable bookmark data

                As far as I know, the French themselves turned off all Hussein’s mirages from a satellite and the pilots couldn’t even turn them on, as a result, the main Iraqi fighter aircraft (Hussein relied on mirages) turned out to be out of the game, which made the situation even more critical ..
                1. -3
                  1 June 2013 00: 36
                  Have you ever brought a link? Either air defense systems, then Mirages. What next time? Flying saucers?
                  1. postman
                    -1
                    1 June 2013 04: 17
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Have you ever brought a link?

                    Eugene You don’t get it, what link. SAID:
                    Quote: DEfindER
                    How much me is known

                    himself and turned off, probably recourse
                  2. 0
                    2 June 2013 16: 19
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Have you ever brought a link? Either air defense systems, then Mirages.

                    If you are not trying to search and understand the issue of electronic bookmarks or backdoors in electronics, this does not mean that they are not there. Especially for you, I even found a document (although this is usually classified information):
                    The 266 US Senate Bill S1991 explicitly requires that
                    American cryptographic equipment contained traps,
                    known only to the NSA - the National Security Agency.

                    Or from other forums:
                    Saddam Hussein was defeated long before the Gulf War. The Mirage planes at his disposal were supplied by the French. Insidious paddling pools assured the buyer that the electronics of these planes was XNUMX% protected from unauthorized access. However, when it came to war, that defenses were broken immediately - with a single coded signal that bypassed the ingenious system. The aircraft onboard systems were turned off, and the dictator was left without aviation.
                    A similar "back door" to a supposedly protected system is available in ANY
                    CERTIFIED BY THE STATE PROGRAM, but this is not accepted
                    spread out loud.
                    1. -1
                      2 June 2013 16: 50
                      And where is the specific link? Well, on the materials of any serious research, and not OBS (one grandmother said) with screeching "insidious frogs"? And how did 24 of these Mirages fly to Iran?

                      Then you give bill S266. Did you read it? Do you know what he is talking about, in principle, do you understand his purpose?
                2. postman
                  0
                  1 June 2013 04: 13
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  As far as I know, the French themselves

                  Where is it known from?
                  Both SAGEM and Siemens (and so on) have contracts with the Russian government, including and defense.
                  If the nonsense about the "bookmarks" had a reason: NOBODY (FAPSI, Cheka) would NEVER let them go to defense, communications, energy, astronautics, aviation (the same combat)
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  disconnected all mirages

                  How you can "turn off" mirages from the satellite 0 I can not imagine.
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  which aggravated the situation to critical ..

                  But the Egyptians (Syrians, Jordanians), when they gave a damn to Israel, said: Soviet equipment is bad.
                  Is the same true?
                  maybe the hands are in the wrong place?
              3. postman
                -1
                1 June 2013 04: 22
                -3
                Minusator.
                I am for "-", but pliz with an explanation, at least 3 words.
                what if I'm wrong
                And:
                1.arabs are "excellent" warriors
                2.mythical bookmarks exist, and are so hidden in the architecture that \ neither "K" nor FAPSI can find
                3. And the satellite antenna for activating the bookmark has such nano-sizes (my satellite TV dish swells with envy) that fit on the 32 nm matrix of the chip.
                4. but there are no brains claiming the "bookmarks" version, or they have the same nano dimension
            2. 0
              1 June 2013 10: 45
              I read an interview with a participant in the investigation specifically in Libya. Perhaps the situation was the same in Iraq and Libya.
              1. postman
                -1
                1 June 2013 12: 16
                Quote: alicante11
                I read an interview with a participant in the investigation specifically for Libya.

                Here at the topvar there was also an interview with a "participant" of the air force in Iraq, a "real Russian air defense officer", an operator of the S-200 complex .....
                Honored. and how many comments were: Yes, and so are we.
                NUBE and not write
                1. 0
                  2 June 2013 15: 28
                  http://militera.lib.ru/science/sb_libya1986/sb_libya1986.html

                  Compared to the authors of the mililiters, you, my dear, are precisely the last noob. I'm sorry. But the site is very serious.
                  1. postman
                    +1
                    3 June 2013 19: 03
                    Quote: alicante11
                    Compared to the authors of Miltera, you,

                    "Not the nicest". To send you a REAL report (harm against the S-200 / I was interested in this first of all /? And not the "site". The neck is removed.





                    BUT to the case (issue under consideration) is IT DOES NOT MATTER
                    And here are the bookmarks? WHERE disconnection of RES and components by an "external" signal from the manufacturer ???
                    Western-made radars, in the main, were suppressed by active interference.


                    Are you stupid, rude by the flatulence of your stupid?
                    Before you write, blur the minuses- IN THE TOPIC, delve into.


                    And approx. About nubyo, I wrote about the interview of the "participant" in Iraq"a real Russian air defense officer", operator of the S-200 complex .....
                    Or is it you have dashed this pearl?

                    Quote: alicante11
                    But the site is very serious.

                    What are you talking about then generally "not the nicest"?
                    Serious about the site? About EW Coalition or Bookmarks?
                    Send you a report? German! Overpower? About the same events.
                    Quote: alicante11
                    I read an interview with a participant in the investigation specifically in Libya. Perhaps the situation was the same in Iraq and Libya.

                    Well PLEASE bookmark me on this "serious" site. Or you can not distinguish electronic warfare from bookmarks?
                    As in the film "dumb is even dumber": zkladki and electronic warfare (but BUT YOURSELF (!) ITSELF (!) Personally read
                    1. +2
                      3 June 2013 19: 15
                      And what conclusion? From damage analysis? Khan S-200 or is there a possibility of quick repair?
                      1. postman
                        +1
                        3 June 2013 21: 01
                        Quote: Kars
                        Khan S-200 or is it possible to quickly repair?

                        I sent them to the mail.
                        Read.
                        Short:
                        cabs do not care
                        Antennas for the most part then.

                        In fact, the quantity turned into quality (sickened)
                        ===
                        according to the Stasi report, it is even more interesting: the complete "oslism" of the air defense.
                        But there in German stop
        2. rolik
          +5
          31 May 2013 15: 06
          Quote: smprofi
          Obama has already tasked the Pentagon to develop a plan to create a no-fly zone. with the participation of the Saxons and paddlers.

          As far as I understand, the cunning African American president really wants the French and British to control this zone. And the American pilots, smiling happily at all their teeth, gently wiped their ash-peels standing at the airfields with velvet rags. While from the paddling pools and proud Britons, in the sky over Syria, they will make an "airy" vinaigrette.
          1. smprofi
            +2
            31 May 2013 15: 18
            Quote: rolik
            cunning african american

            but who knows what exactly he dreams. most likely this is not his personal decision. after all, it happened after McCain visited the "revolutionaries" in Syria.
            little to him, McCain, got in Vietnam ...



            1. postman
              -1
              1 June 2013 23: 45
              Quote: smprofi
              little to him, McCain, got in Vietnam ...

              You are a respected theologian ..... Bring OURS (presidents, senates, DGD, etc.) - WHO WAS IN VIETNAM, LIBYA, AFGHAN ..
              Huh?
              Weak?

              You don’t have much courage and courage to talk about McCain ...
              HOW MUCH?
              Moldova at least? Or Karabakh?
              1. +1
                2 June 2013 00: 10
                Quote: Postman
                Vietnam, Libya, Afghanistan ..
                Huh?
                Weak?
                Was such a Rutskoi. Not weak, rather disgusting and perplexed
                There wasn’t taught
                1. postman
                  0
                  2 June 2013 02: 50
                  Quote: Denis
                  He was such a Rutskoi.

                  He was. He is.
                  Why disgusting?
                  Was P. Grachev
                  Tales of him Durimarov, LISTENING is really disgusting. visit at least once a day of remembrance and listen to eyewitnesses.
                  But is not the point.
                  I NEVER READ, HAVE NOT HEAR AN OVERVIEW IN AMERICA, EEC ABOUT OUR VETERAN POLICIES ...
                  1. +1
                    2 June 2013 20: 36
                    Quote: Postman
                    Why disgusting?
                    About 50 suitcases of compromising evidence, so even my mother-in-law does not breach
                    Or is the deputy a different orientation?
                    1. postman
                      0
                      5 June 2013 14: 52
                      Quote: Denis
                      About 50 suitcases of compromising evidence, so even my mother-in-law does not breach

                      I was just the same sure that P. Grachev SPEAKED: Airborne Regiment, 1 day and our Terrible.
                      I was sure until 2012. Until I met with those people who served with him (before and after and during), the guys VERY fighting (real fighters, not clowns) came to my friend (the same Afghan) monument to P. Grachev to order .

                      They told so much: I doubt now about "Pasha Mercedes".
                      The Press. WHAT to take from her.
                      MB Rutskoi and in a fever said something about suitcases.
                      But the officer is fighting.
              2. -1
                3 June 2013 01: 39
                And what is this talking about? The fact that our politicians, at least, did not stain their hands with the blood of civilians? they didn’t burn the village with napalm. What are you proud of? The killers in power. So you have some murderers in power, only some smarter, they gave orders, while others are so stupid that they themselves executed.
      7. Gari
        +1
        31 May 2013 17: 42
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        where are the complexes now, in Syria or not.

        "Contracts not only for the most modern types of weapons were at one time concluded. And these contracts are gradually being fulfilled, as the deadlines approach," - Interfax quotes presidential aide Yuri Ushakov. He stressed that "the Russian side does not supply any weapons that would fall under the relevant international bans."

        From Russia officially but vaguely responded to Assad’s words about the S-300 and made an unofficial but clear hint
      8. Truffoff
        +2
        31 May 2013 21: 56
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .Yes and it’s not clear where the complexes are now, in Syria or not.

        Yeah, that's what they told you .. Maybe there’s another place for you to show where they’re hidden, they’ll hide ??
        Counterintelligence is working. Don't believe me? Then throw off the photo of "Armata".
      9. 0
        1 June 2013 00: 17
        Let them now think from NATO’s head, in fact, the Cold War didn’t stop; it went to a new level.
      10. 0
        1 June 2013 22: 14
        Syrians at the complexes will be trusted only to control the pressure in the tires of the chassis laughing
    2. Hudo
      +6
      31 May 2013 08: 08
      Quote: Dima190579
      Oh, God forbid, of course, but I would like to see at least one peep at how the C-300 will beat dope out of NATO and Israel


      The first launch made by the S-300 complex is a war. Much more effective than the S-300 as a means of deterring the incontinence of democracy.
      1. +14
        31 May 2013 08: 14
        But this is unlikely, the Turks were given a penny: they lost weight and that's all. Yes, for these "democratizers" the worst thing is combat losses, and the S-300 will provide them.
        1. +8
          31 May 2013 08: 22
          Quote: kartalovkolya
          But this is unlikely, the Turks were given a nickle

          What do you compare the flight of one aircraft with a large-scale raid. Now it’s not clear who will get a nickel, but one thing is clear that will end with a grandiose warrior. All with everyone in the entire region.
          1. Vasya Ivanov
            +5
            31 May 2013 08: 34
            All with everyone in the entire region.
            Take it further, it will affect not only the region. A fire with a strong wind in dry weather is unpredictable. And this hour is such a weather.
            1. +3
              31 May 2013 09: 09
              Quote: Vasya Ivanov
              Take it further, it will affect not only the region.

              First the region, then it will suck in the rest.
              1. Vasya Ivanov
                +1
                31 May 2013 09: 27
                First the region, then it will suck in the rest.
                I agree, it falls asleep so that no one would seem a little.
                1. +6
                  31 May 2013 10: 35
                  I absolutely agree that someone who knows how to suck and who does not know how to learn will suck. But we were not accustomed to bad things from childhood, we didn’t hold geyparads, we didn’t accept pederastic laws.
          2. Atlon
            +15
            31 May 2013 09: 26
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What do you compare the flight of one aircraft, with a large-scale raid.

            I'm not sure that due to new circumstances, a large-scale raid will take place ...

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s no longer clear who will get on a dime, but one thing is clear that will end with a grandiose warrior

            Even if there is such a raid (well, imagine!), Then after a large-scale "landing" of the raiders, only a nuclear strike is seen as safe. But this is unrealistic, due to the proximity to the affected area, American mongrels such as Israel, Qatar, Turkey and others like them. This means that one thing remains - a ground operation. This is yes, the war ... However, if in mind, you need to send specialists to sabotage air defense systems. But that's just fine. And how will it actually be? I mean, what is the purpose of the puppeteers? Maybe just a war between everyone and everyone? Then I won't be surprised if a "large-scale raid" is allowed under the S-300 knife. Can you imagine what kind of PR you can stir up? A lot of dead, Assad is demonized at the very least, the outraged public demands revenge ... Russia is the axis of evil, and so on. And in this meat grinder, Iran is being democratized on the sly. So anything can happen ... Let's see.
            1. +9
              31 May 2013 09: 41
              Quote: Atlon
              I'm not sure that due to new circumstances, a large-scale raid will take place ...

              What other circumstances or do you think that the C 300 will save you from intervention? Losses will be greater, but the West will not give up its goals.
              Quote: Atlon
              Even if there is such a raid (well, let's imagine!), Then after a large-scale "landing" of the raiders,

              That's when at least one plane is shot down. Then talk about SCALE GROUNDINGS.
              Quote: Atlon
              only a nuclear strike is seen as safe. But this is unrealistic, due to the proximity to the affected area, American mongrels like Israel, Qatar,

              What are you talking about??? Syria has a lot of chemistry and its use in case of aggression will lead to a complete outage in Israel and everyone understands this. But this threat does not stop anyone.
              Quote: Atlon
              Maybe just a war of all with everyone?

              The whole US industry is a military industrial complex and the more bombs in the world explode, away from the US itself, the more US industry will receive orders. They think so. Plus, saving the dollar hi
              1. +2
                31 May 2013 10: 39
                What other circumstances or do you think that the C 300 will save you from intervention? Losses will be greater, but the West will not give up its goals.

                They thought so in Vietnam and Korea and in several other countries in Africa and the Pacific.
              2. +1
                31 May 2013 19: 18
                The S-300 could very well save from the intervention, as NATO troops and amers are unlikely to fight without aviation support.
                1. ixsus
                  0
                  1 June 2013 01: 06
                  I agree with you, they are accustomed to go through the front door with the support of aviation (well, we will not forget about the land), all to break up !!! And here is no longer the lobby, there is already a back door with mousetraps !!!
                  IHMO!
                  Already several lost best planes (European and / or American (depending on which one is in service) may collapse their arms market) According to the articles from this site, it seems that their planes are NOT "the best".
                  It should be understood which modifications of the S-300 (one is written, we send another) are delivered to them (it is clear that export, but ... the number of channels, firing range, detection range (antenna posts)). Spare parts, etc.
                  Sincerely ...
            2. +3
              31 May 2013 09: 47
              Quote: Atlon
              I'm not sure that due to new circumstances, a large-scale raid will take place ...


              The first one. There is still no confirmation that the S-300 delivered to Syria.
              Second, if they are to be neutralized, then not by aviation but by the Kyrgyz Republic, until the ammunition runs out in the S-300 launchers
              1. +5
                31 May 2013 10: 40
                How can it end, they have "a grandfather working at a shoe polish factory."
              2. Kirgudum
                -1
                31 May 2013 11: 37
                Coming soon - in the form of a photo of the burned Israeli Phantoms.
                1. -2
                  31 May 2013 11: 47
                  Quote: Kirgudum
                  Coming soon - in the form of a photo of the burned Israeli Phantoms.

                  They have long been withdrawn from service. request
                  1. Kirgudum
                    +4
                    31 May 2013 12: 21
                    I beg your pardon, I do not know very well the composition of the Israeli Air Force, although the Turkish Phantom was shot down. Then F14 and F-15, or whatever flies there ... But I hope it doesn't come to that - "Guys, let's live together!"
                    Syria will not attack Israel first - Assad is a smart person and understands that shelling civilian targets in Israel will give NATO an excellent reason to attack him, and there will not help any air defense - they will crush the mass, regardless of the losses.
                    And, if possible, to my words "it won't come to that" - just don't say something like "of course it won't come, because we are on the way (during putting on duty / when the operators get off) we will knock them out. Do you know the saying "Do not boast on the way to the army, but boast on the way from the army"?)
                    It was not for nothing that Netanyahu went to Moscow to bow to him with a request not to sell the S-300 if they could be "knocked out on the way" - it is unlikely that he began to waste time and miss the opportunity to make anti-advertising to Russian weapons, destroying them in Syria in battle.
                    1. -13
                      31 May 2013 12: 31
                      Quote: Kirgudum
                      Syria will not attack Israel first

                      She does this already several times, about once a week. Each time it is documented and the corresponding note is transmitted to the UN.

                      Quote: Kirgudum
                      No wonder Netanyahu went to Moscow to ask him not to sell C-300

                      You and I were not at that meeting and Bibi could not only ask, but warn about the fate of these complexes if they were delivered.
                      1. Kirgudum
                        +8
                        31 May 2013 12: 57
                        "about once a week" - do you think the provocative shelling of the Golan Heights by FSA militants as "Shelling of Syria"? Do you seriously think that this is the Syrian army doing this, risking that Israel will attack, as if the civil war inside the country is not enough for it?
                      2. +6
                        31 May 2013 15: 31
                        The last anecdote - "Almighty and terrible Bibi terribly scared Vovan !!!!!" laughing This moron can only draw pictures on a cardboard box at the UN, it is not for nothing that Obama applied a delicious epithet. laughing
                      3. 0
                        31 May 2013 17: 35
                        Quote: professor
                        You and I weren’t at that meeting and Bibi could not only ask

                        Sorry, maybe I'm not on the subject yet. Why do you call your MO Bibi? When I read this, I want to cry out: "Come on ... !!!"
                      4. 0
                        31 May 2013 17: 37
                        Quote: IRBIS
                        Quote: professor
                        You and I weren’t at that meeting and Bibi could not only ask

                        Sorry, maybe I'm not on the subject yet. Why do you call your MO Bibi? When I read this, I want to cry out: "Come on ... !!!"

                        Bibi-nickname Benjamin from the time of his service in special forces. Nickname MO - Boogie.
                      5. The master
                        0
                        31 May 2013 22: 36
                        http://static.oper.ru/data/gallery/l1048755889.jpg
                    2. sem40
                      -1
                      7 June 2013 03: 21
                      for general education it will be useful for you to know that foreign soldiers NEVER died for Israel. We don't need NATO. And we are not in this gang. Moreover, in 1999 Israel was presented with an ultimatum, the same as Serbia. According to the formula "either you make concessions ... or you will be bombed." The prime minister's answer was broadcast on television - "We are not Serbia ... We have something to answer. Of course we cannot defeat NATO, but you will lose all aviation here." I saw this broadcast. And I remember well that there were no more threats.
                      Learn materiel. You see Israel's "friends" where they are not and were not.
                  2. +1
                    31 May 2013 12: 44
                    By the way, yes! removed.
                  3. FOX.
                    +2
                    31 May 2013 12: 48
                    Quote: professor
                    They have long been withdrawn from service

                    Nothing, "dear" professor, this is not critical, I think that the F-18 will do, and the "300" will not choke on the Raptors.
                    1. -6
                      31 May 2013 13: 12
                      Quote: FOX.
                      Nothing, "dear" professor, this is not critical, I think that the F-18 will do, and the "300" will not choke on the Raptors.

                      It is a pity to disappoint you, neither one nor the other in Israel either is not and never will be. wink
                      1. FOX.
                        +4
                        31 May 2013 13: 20
                        Quote: professor
                        neither one nor the other in Israel either is not and never will be.

                        I will not say that I am disappointed, but the news that Israel "is not and will not be" would give me even greater joy.
                      2. 0
                        1 June 2013 00: 10
                        Quote: FOX.

                        I will not say that I am disappointed, but the news that Israel "is not and will not be" would give me even greater joy.

                        I really didn’t want to react to your next rudeness, but since it directly concerns me and my loved ones, I will answer you: "You will not wait!"
                      3. GG2012
                        -1
                        1 June 2013 01: 26
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        I really didn’t want to react to your next rudeness, but ...

                        I really didn’t want to react ... but your statement sounds like a sergeant shouting on the parade ground ...
                        You did not mess up the pictures ?!
                        Therefore, I will answer you with all proletarian "politeness", ... WE WILL WAIT (!!!), ... Hondurasia, and NanoSexoGayBritania, and GayEuroPPa ...

                        So buy curlers! There will be what pace to reel on!
                    2. GG2012
                      -1
                      1 June 2013 01: 20
                      Quote: FOX.
                      Nothing, "dear"

                      There is nothing more expensive than an old friend!
                      Isn't it FOX ?!
              3. +3
                31 May 2013 13: 33
                Quote: Vadivak
                Quote: Atlon
                I'm not sure that due to new circumstances, a large-scale raid will take place ...


                The first one. There is still no confirmation that the S-300 delivered to Syria.
                Second, if they are to be neutralized, then not by aviation but by the Kyrgyz Republic, until the ammunition runs out in the S-300 launchers

                from KR S-300 (that object, that the army) protects the Shell (Tunguska) and Buk
              4. +3
                31 May 2013 18: 58
                Quote: Vadivak
                if they are to be neutralized, then not by aviation but by the Kyrgyz Republic, until the ammunition runs out in the C-300 launchers

                Our RDG ("commandos" in American style) and the amers in Iraq practiced a simple but extremely effective technique: shot from xnumx mm heavy sniper rifle destroyed the elements of the radar (magnetron antenna). D ambush shooting 1,5- 2 km. Groups of Israeli special forces are noted on the territory of the SAR. It is necessary to hide and guard the complex. This is a real threat.
          3. +3
            31 May 2013 09: 48
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            one thing is clear that will end with a grandiose warrior.

            Good day to all! Why is there a war in the raid finale? History knows quite a few examples. Great countries have found ways to build up a retreat with a dignified look.
            1. +5
              31 May 2013 10: 05
              Quote: Bort Radist
              Why is there a war in the raid finale?

              Because they need a warrior and nothing else.
              Quote: Bort Radist
              History knows quite a few examples great countries have found ways

              You are talking about the Caribbean crisis, but then it was about the possible destruction of the United States, and now about the destruction of the region far from the United States. Do not back down!
              1. +3
                31 May 2013 10: 32
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Are you talking about the Caribbean crisis,

                Vietnam, for the time being, for the time being, America felt at ease in the air. And then the day of mourning crying
          4. +3
            31 May 2013 09: 51
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What do you compare the flight of one aircraft, with a large-scale raid.

            That's it. A massive airstrike, from an unexpected angle, will never stop such an insignificant amount from 300.
            1. +7
              31 May 2013 09: 58
              Quote: Manager
              Mass air raid


              Hi Maxim. UAVs and KR, pilots will be allowed to finish off as always
            2. +2
              31 May 2013 19: 24
              Quote: Manager
              Mass air raid, from an unexpected angle

              Is Assad so bad with air defense? No emergency facilities? No early warning system? If so, then, as my father used to say, "drain the material!"
              Quote: Manager
              will never stop such an insignificant amount with 300.

              It turns out that the complex is not included in the general air defense system of the country? The air defense is not echeloned, the complex is not guarded by Buki and Torah, Shilki and MANPADS. If this is so, then everything is very bad ... The Syrian officers who graduated from our higher educational institutions and the Air Defense Academy are worthless! Generally! what are our advisers doing there?
          5. 0
            31 May 2013 19: 14
            The war is already underway and the Syrians will not be held back by the use of complexes against enemy aircraft, for them this is the price of life, they have already suffered so much from the bandit henchmen who scoff at their people.
      2. +9
        31 May 2013 09: 29
        Quote: Hudo
        The first launch made by the S-300 complex is a war.

        The war has been there for 2 years. And it will only intensify there regardless of whether the S-300 fires or does not fire. There is a lot of money invested in the war, but there is no return yet. Does anyone think that those who finance this war will give up their venture and prefer to lose everything that was invested, or will they still invest and go to the end?
      3. yak69
        +13
        31 May 2013 09: 31
        Quote: Hudo
        The first launch made by the S-300 complex is a war.

        The double feeling from this news. On the one hand, we began to clearly define our line (by degree of rigidity). On the other hand, it really is the BEGINNING of the WAR, which may be the last in the history of mankind. Everyone understands that this is not Syria fighting with bandits, this is a battle between two civilization systems: Russia, Orthodoxy, Common Sense on the one hand, and Degradation, Satanism and inhuman Malice on the other. If you go up to worldview generalizations, then this is Armageddon - the Battle of Light and Darkness.
        But if on a simple - Moment of Truth.
        Personally, I have no doubt for a moment in the Victory of Light over Darkness.
        1. Atlon
          +6
          31 May 2013 09: 54
          Quote: yak69
          Personally, I have no doubt for a moment in the Victory of Light over Darkness.

          Wow ... The only question is price ...
          1. yak69
            +4
            31 May 2013 11: 01
            Quote: Atlon
            Wow ... The only question is price ...

            What is the price of an immortal human soul?
            It is priceless and self-existent, therefore any price (even the most terrible and painful) will always be lower than its (soul) real value. And since the Battle of Light and Darkness, then each of the living will have to decide on whose side he is. So consider .....
          2. +7
            31 May 2013 11: 59
            Greetings to all, for Athlone, "We need one Victory, And for the price? And we will not stand for the price !!!"
        2. +2
          31 May 2013 10: 43
          Plusan ka i you.
        3. Phoenix s
          +1
          31 May 2013 11: 31
          I wonder whose side in this war do you see Israel?
          1. Kirgudum
            +8
            31 May 2013 11: 39
            Weird question. Look to whom Israel helps - Bachabites, Islamic fanatics, cannibals. Look at what he is interested in - weak Syria plunged into war and chaos, destroyed to such an extent. so that she would not be able to think about returning her lands - the Golan Heights - and answer for yourself on whose side Israel is Evil or Good.
            1. -20
              31 May 2013 12: 27
              Quote: Kirgudum
              See Who Israel Helps - Wahhabi

              Wahhabism is the Shiite trend of Islam, the obvious representatives of the Shiites are Iran, Hezbollah, with a stretch you can write down the Assad Alawites.
              That is, according to your Israel helps Assad ???? !!!! Bravo!!!
              1. Kirgudum
                +5
                31 May 2013 13: 00
                Troll - Go Out. Wahhabism is not really Islam, it’s like calling Satanism Christianity. You perfectly understand who I'm talking about - about the pseudo-Islamic fanatics-cannibals.
                Here.
                In short, either you add me to the black list, or in an hour I will do it myself. B..i, I still didn’t have enough trolls to feed, a supporter of cannibals, went out!
              2. +1
                31 May 2013 13: 44
                Quote: Toit
                Quote: Kirgudum
                See Who Israel Helps - Wahhabi

                Wahhabism is the Shiite trend of Islam, the obvious representatives of the Shiites are Iran, Hezbollah, with a stretch you can write down the Assad Alawites.

                From tyrnet:
                Wahhabism (from Arabic: الوهابية) is a religious and political movement in Islam that formed in the 1703th century. The term "Wahhabism" is named after the father of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab at-Tamimi (1792-1263), who is a follower of Ibn Taymiyyah (1328-XNUMX).

                As a rule, supporters of his ideas call themselves Salafis.

                Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab believed that true Islam was practiced only by the first three generations of the followers of the Prophet Muhammad (As-Salyaf al-Salih), and protested against all subsequent innovations, considering them brought from outside the bid.

                From the point of view of some ethnographers, Wahhabis are a relatively new trend, caused by the aggravation of socio-economic and political conditions between part of the Bedouin population, as well as part of religious figures, expressed as a protest against the wealth of urban residents and the rich. The movement also played a significant role in the war of liberation against Turkey.

                The movement was accepted by Prince Abdul-Aziz ibn Saud, subsequently the founder and first king Saudi Arabia (1932-1953). As a result, Wahhabism has become the dominant Islamic doctrine in this country. Now they call themselves “Salyafs”, although they themselves have the beliefs of the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab at-Tamimi.
              3. +10
                31 May 2013 14: 24
                M-yes, the Jews somehow crushed. They don’t even know how to lie.
          2. warrior
            +2
            1 June 2013 12: 28
            Israil i estj sAMO SLO:
        4. -2
          31 May 2013 12: 27
          And then Orthodoxy? PGM?
      4. +5
        31 May 2013 10: 32
        The war has been going on, if I am not mistaken, since 1990 with Operation Desert Storm, when Gorbachev surrendered Iraq. Since then, in any conflict, we betray someone, we surrender. In fact, Syria is truly a stage in Russia's reconstruction. If even now, after so many efforts, we surrender, then kirdyk is inevitable along the entire length of the border of our vast Motherland.
        1. +3
          31 May 2013 10: 37
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          The war has been going on, if I am not mistaken, since 1990 with Operation Desert Storm, when Gorbachev surrendered Iraq

          so we also surrendered Iraq fool
        2. +11
          31 May 2013 12: 02
          For Sasha, "In fact, Syria is at the present stage of Russia's restoration.", And I will add, the Great Exam for Russia !!!
    3. Vasya Ivanov
      +34
      31 May 2013 08: 26
      Yesterday I threw off the photo, it will just be in the subject.
    4. Rusich
      +10
      31 May 2013 08: 56
      To Raise THE SPIRIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. Rusich
        +7
        31 May 2013 09: 08
        We will partisan !!! ?????
        1. Malleus
          +3
          31 May 2013 12: 13
          We will be. Yes, HOW we will.
    5. +6
      31 May 2013 09: 15
      Good morning everybody!

      C-300 - think about democratizing Syria three hundred times


      - I would not only think With 300 times, but With 400 and With 500 times !!! soldier
      1. +2
        31 May 2013 09: 48
        Uh minusers! what is the minus? comments off topic is it?
        1. +7
          31 May 2013 15: 16
          Quote: LaGlobal
          Uh minusers! what is the minus? comments off topic is it?

          It’s the Jews you are minus, don’t be surprised ...
          They are trolling for work here.
          "Business, nothing personal!"
          1. 0
            1 June 2013 02: 41
            already managed to think that supposedly sinned where in his post))
        2. ixsus
          0
          1 June 2013 02: 36
          Like me, too, trolls (but not here) Positive people plyusanuli, so what do you +!
    6. +15
      31 May 2013 09: 16
      The S-300 must be covered with shells and Elite units, in order to prevent sabotage, I would cut off the heads of the dead bandits in the place of the Syrian military and put them on stakes in the places where they penetrate the border, let them admire what awaits them (although this is barbarism) , this is not the opposition, these people act worse than the Nazis, the West itself has become a fascist!
      1. +1
        31 May 2013 10: 54
        Kesarev Kesarev
      2. Kirgudum
        +1
        31 May 2013 12: 11
        I think Russia is not going to take S-300s to Syria without covering them with "Shells".
      3. smprofi
        0
        31 May 2013 13: 03
        Quote: Esso
        S-300 must be covered with shells

        Yeah, it was on the "Shell" I would "put", with its performance characteristics
        for ZRPK "Pantsir-S1":
        detection (!) of a target by the effective scattering area (EPR) of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system 2 m1 (with SOC S - XNUMX mXNUMX)
        now look at the RCS of some of the "any" targets:
        B-52 - 100 m² (after modernization reduced to 40 m²)
        F-16C, F-18C - 1,2 m²
        Eurofighter - 0,25-0,75 m²
        F-35 JSF - 0,005 m²
        B-2, F-22 - 0,01 - 0,001 m²
        BGM-109 Tomahawk - 0,1 m²

        for example: ZR S-300V Antey-300 (GRAU MO index - 9K81) is guaranteed to work on purpose with an ESR of 0,02 m²

        ZRPK "Pantsir-S1" hitting a target at a range of 12 km and an altitude of 8 km - well, except with helicopters to fight
        practical ceiling of some aircraft:
        B-52 - 16 m
        F-16C - 17 m
        F-18C - 15 m
        Eurofighter - 19 m
        F-35 JSF - 18 m
        B-2 - 15 m
        F-22 - 20 m

        Is it really not clear what the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system is capable of?
        1. 0
          31 May 2013 14: 25
          And if you give him target designation from Passive radars or from the same C-300 radar?
          1. smprofi
            -3
            31 May 2013 15: 05
            Quote: alicante11
            And if you give him target designation

            and this "if" is technically implemented? those. not in the voice "Okhapkin, pick up the phone", but directly data entry.
            but even that’s not the point, detection is half the battle, for guiding missiles / missiles and hitting a target it is necessary that the tracking radar sees the target. but this is not there.
            1. 0
              2 June 2013 15: 32
              It is implemented. At what a very long time. True, earlier active radars of target detection were also used. But they themselves are vulnerable to PRR. The primary target designation is issued by passive radars, and immediately before launch, for the necessary time, the radar of the air defense system itself is turned on.
        2. +8
          31 May 2013 15: 23
          Quote: smprofi
          Is it really not clear what the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system is capable of?

          The purpose of the Carapace is to cover objects. Raptors and Eurofighters are handled by C300. And the Shell lands on the approach what they shoot with. The carapace removes air-to-ground missiles, cruise missiles. The carapace will take care of the helicopters. F18 will not disdain, of course, if he, gape, finds himself in the affected area of ​​this cannon rocket complex.

          wink
          1. smprofi
            -3
            31 May 2013 15: 47
            Quote: Skating rink
            The carapace removes air-to-ground missiles, cruise missiles.

            belay
            HOW can he do it? he just won’t see them, WILL NOT !!!
            Is it really difficult to compare the data on the performance characteristics of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system with the EPR of at least the KR, not to mention the simple air-to-ground missiles of the AGM-65 Maverick type (there are even fewer)
            1. +8
              31 May 2013 16: 16
              Quote: smprofi
              HOW can he do it? he just won’t see them, WILL NOT !!!

              Yes, he can, and easily.
              The characteristics that you wrote down above are complete crap.
              I don’t know where you got them from; for the Shell, other figures are closer to the truth:

              Target and missile tracking station
              Maximum target detection range, km:
              - with EPR = 2m2 24km
              - with EPR = 0.03m2 7km

              ... High tactical and technical characteristics of the Pantsir-S1 complex, the implementation of the accepted principles of construction and technical solutions for the fixed assets of the complex, ensure it high combat effectiveness in repulsing massive strikes of air attack weapons with the use of precision weapons, amounting to at least 90-99%.

              ... Target tracking is carried out in the IR range of 3-5 microns, which ensures the daily use of rocket weapons in the optical mode. The range of auto tracking (with a meteorological range of 10 km) is: F-16 - 17-26 km; PRR HARM - 13-15km; KR ALCM - 11-14km.

              ___________
              Source http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/panz/panz.shtml


              However, the true characteristics of Russian complexes are never published. What is indicated in the open press is usually underestimated - this has been the custom since Soviet times.
              In the same way, the characteristics of American technology are usually overstated. (Nothing can be done - advertising! "A little lie for better sales never hurts")
            2. +5
              31 May 2013 17: 15
              he can do it. Recall the case of the F-117 in Yugoslavia. His EPR is somewhere 0,025 somewhere 0,01. And he was shot down by the S-125 system, according to another version of the Kub air defense system. Although this is not important in this case. It is important that the plane with such a small RCS was shot down by outdated systems. So what can we say about modern ones then? Naturally, even an object made according to the stealth system will be knocked down by the Pantsir, provided, as already noted, that this object will enter the zone of destruction of this air defense missile system.
              1. +5
                31 May 2013 18: 29
                Quote: Dimka off
                Recall the case of the F-117 in Yugoslavia. He has EPR somewhere writing 0,025 somewhere 0,01

                Stealth technologies are not equally effective for different radio emission bands. Building an aircraft that is equally invisible in all ranges is simply unrealistic. American stealth vehicles have a reduced RCS in a rather narrow band. It is enough to use a radar operating in a different range to make this "invisible" visible.
                What ran into F117 in Yugoslavia.

                Such meager ESRs, as the Americans give for their super-aircraft, may be there (I did not measure it myself), but only at the most optimal frequency for them. And who said that our air defense will work precisely in this range?
                And besides, you can talk about passive radar, when an array of radars connected to a network monitors changes in the radio environment. "Invisible" does not absorb radio waves, but simply reflects them in the other direction. The world is now saturated with radiation sources, starting from GSM repeaters - you can't suppress everything. And the array of passive radars, reflected from invisible waves from all these civilian sources, is enough to "see" a dummy who considers himself invisible. Plus, passive radar is nearly impossible to detect and suppress.

                Naive Americans think that if they took the mathematical apparatus from the Russians for constructing invisibility (from the works of the Soviet scientist Ufimtsev, the Yankees themselves could not solve this problem), now the Russians will not be able to figure out how to see these invisible ones ?!
                Zadornov was right, oh right ...
            3. +3
              31 May 2013 17: 52
              Quote: smprofi
              AK can he do it? he just won’t see them, WILL NOT !!!

              EPR is important for FAR targets, and to shoot at a target at a distance of 3-8 km, what kind of EPR does it have, especially since the shells also have an optical guidance system. The S-300 has its own guidance station and it will gladly share it with Pantsir " obtained "information where the bastards climb and how many there are. wink
            4. +1
              31 May 2013 19: 31
              And what to look at them - they need to shoot down. laughing
            5. 0
              2 June 2013 18: 35
              Then the question is: why is the Pantsir-C1 being put into service in the Russian Federation, if everything is so sad?
              1. 0
                3 June 2013 01: 40
                Yes, they just did not go to the topvar, did not listen to local trolls and did not know what kind of bullshit it was :).
          2. +2
            31 May 2013 17: 07
            this is the correct remark.
        3. 0
          31 May 2013 19: 29
          The carapace can not only shoot down low-flying aircraft, but also missiles fired from them and even bombs.
        4. 0
          31 May 2013 20: 50
          the purpose of the carapace is to cover the s-300 from missiles, to shoot down those missiles that cannot be shot down by the s-300! If everything is so bad in your opinion, why are the Americans and the Israelites fidgeting on their priests! We are used to attacking the weak, let them try!
    7. +1
      31 May 2013 09: 46
      That would be Migov of 100 stuff and Sushi of 50 stuff + XU NUMX stuff of 34 ..... Then Israel can forget about the air operation for 100 years ........... Oh dreams dreams ..... .
      1. +11
        31 May 2013 09: 50
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        That would be Migov pieces 100 and sushki pieces 50 + su 34 pieces 100.


        In the Russian army it is desirable, instead of our junk
        1. dc120mm
          +1
          31 May 2013 11: 54
          Quote: Vadivak
          In the Russian army it is desirable

          Are you sorry for your resource? You must be interested so that the Syrian army won without launching the S-300 and without your military. But you, on the contrary, dream that your guys fought there.
          1. +3
            31 May 2013 12: 26
            Quote: dc120mm
            And you, on the contrary, dream that your guys fought there.


            - in fact, no one dreams !!!

            On the contrary, our dreams are to solve everything without the intervention of anyone's troops.
          2. 0
            31 May 2013 19: 35
            Our troops will not be there, and the Syrians have already been trained.
          3. 0
            2 June 2013 15: 53
            In fact, a couple of hundred advisers will fight in Syria better than a couple of tens of thousands of conscripts in the Caucasus.
        2. +1
          31 May 2013 14: 11
          Quote: Vadivak
          In the Russian army it is desirable, instead of our junk

          It goes without saying that our army needs it, but it’s better to have Assad in Syria than henchmen of the West in the form of radicals who will then trample on us, for this he must have good air defense, air defense is not only ground-based systems, but also an air component in the form of fighters, and of bombers, capable of trampling the enemy’s military-industrial complex.
      2. -2
        31 May 2013 12: 59
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        That would be Migov of 100 stuff and Sushi of 50 stuff + XU NUMX stuff of 34 ..... Then Israel can forget about the air operation for 100 years ........... Oh dreams dreams ..... .

        From the beginning you find them in the Russian army in such quantities, and then supply them somewhere
        1. 0
          31 May 2013 15: 27
          You on Wiki, you will find everything there. Su-34 is already 27 is + 124 — 140 is ordered by 2020.
          twink-29 - 310 pieces. Su 30, 35 - each in 10 pieces + order.
          su- 27 - 400 pieces, etc. Everything is slowly going on.
      3. +3
        31 May 2013 15: 25
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        That would be Migov of 100 stuff and Sushi of 50 stuff + XU NUMX stuff of 34 ..... Then Israel can forget about the air operation for 100 years ........... Oh dreams dreams ..... .


        RSK MiG expects to supply the Syrian Air Force with more than 10 MiG-29 M / M2 fighters, negotiations are currently underway in Moscow, said Sergei Korotkov, General Director of RSK MiG. ... "
        http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2013/05/31/mig-vedet-peregovory-o-postavkah-v-siriju-i
        strebitelej-mig-29-m-m2-20827.html
    8. +12
      31 May 2013 10: 55
      Quote: Dima190579
      Oh, God forbid, of course, but I would like to see with just one eye how C-300 will be foolish of NATO and Israel. Well, very interesting.

      They will not, I hope. I would not want the conflict to develop to such an extent.

      But some members of the forum are right: it is too early to experience euphoria. This is just a tactical victory, only one episode is won, and not the situation as a whole.

      The best Western analysts are now looking for new approaches, workarounds and moves. If you calm down and sit on what has been achieved, they will still find something that will help them still arrange a coup and devastation in Syria.

      They in Syria shut up their strategic game.
      "Controlled chaos", "fire belt" around Russia. The West itself does not want to fight with Russia. They conceived to stir up the Islamists, bring them to power, give them strength, arm and set them against Russia. Just like they are fighting in Syria, by proxy. "War by proxy".
      This alone explains why the Catholic West is so tolerant of Islamists. They consider themselves terribly cunning, and think that they will be able to control this bull terrier, which they are going to lower from the leash.

      Whether it works out or not is another question, but the fact that all plans in Syria are crumbling is a fact. The fact that they have not yet matured a wave of their hand and retreat is also a fact. If they leave Assad alone, then it turns out that the support of the Albanians in Serbia, the war in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Egypt, Libya - all this was in vain, in vain; and they can’t get to Iran. And Iran is access to the Caspian. This is already Russia.

      Drink champagne early!
      1. +6
        31 May 2013 11: 40
        To retreat for all this pack is to admit defeat, and after all the money is swollen, my mother does not worry, and a lot is at stake.
        Israel’s militancy cannot be doubted either, if only because at the moment it’s one of the combat-ready armies, because they constantly plunge into conflicts, but now that their vile antics will (hopefully) have consequences for them, it’s also an undeniable fact.
        Look how the statement on the supply of C-300 influenced, now both Lebanon and Iraq (a little earlier) are determined to acquire Russian weapons. Probably many understood that acquiring NATO weapons, there are no guarantees that it will save from the same NATO aggression (after all, they only sell what they can easily destroy themselves later).
        The most important thing is that this whole mess of NATO, Israel, Turkey and the rabble in Syria only rallied the people with the president and Assad receives even more support from ordinary people, otherwise he would not have been able to withstand all this riffraff for two years.
    9. +4
      31 May 2013 11: 26
      Israel is going to destroy the Syrian S-300 before being put on combat duty



      RIA Novosti news agency, citing Israeli media, publishes a statement by the head of the Israeli National Security Council, Jacob Amidror, which he made at a private briefing with the participation of European diplomats. Amidror said that the Israeli army was going to destroy the S-300 immediately after their arrival in Syria, but before being put on combat duty.

      The Israeli and Western authorities believe that the S-300 in the hands of the Syrian army "destabilizes the situation in the region." At the same time, anti-aircraft missile systems are a defensive weapon and simply strengthens Syria's position in the region, which Israel does not want to allow.

      The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has repeatedly noted that the supply of S-300 air defense systems is a deterrent that prevents external intervention in the Syrian conflict. At a press conference on May 28, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov was unable to confirm or deny information that S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems were already delivered to Syria.

      It is worth noting that the European Union lifted the embargo on offensive weapons in anticipation of a peace conference. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu noted on this occasion that Russia, too, now may not consider itself bound by any restrictions on arms supplies to Syria.
      1. Kirgudum
        +14
        31 May 2013 11: 41
        Is Israel going? A pig can eat 12 kilograms of black caviar at a time. But who will give her ...
      2. +8
        31 May 2013 11: 56
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Israel is going to destroy the Syrian S-300 before being put on combat duty
        This statement is pure bluff. They take it for a cannon, only there are no cartridges in the "cannon". The C300s will go to the place of deployment under the cover of the Shells (and maybe not only, if ours supply the complexes, they will probably take care that they get to their destination), and the C300s themselves have the time to deploy from the marching position to the combat position does not exceed 5 minutes.

        However, well ...
        If you really want to - let them try.
        Even if the "cut off" missile launches are made from the Lebanese airspace, they will not get the C300. And if they enter the territory of Syria, they can immediately write off both the pilots and the equipment.
        1. +4
          31 May 2013 20: 05
          Quote: Skating rink
          Even if ... missile launches are from Lebanon's airspace, they cannot get the C300

          But C-300 can reach the aggressor even over Lebanese territory. This is precisely what Izikov does not like. It's one thing to shoot like in a dash, it's another thing when the S-300 radar sees Israeli planes taking off from their airfields! By the way, the aggressor can be punished when landing at your airfield, if the range allows. So, for Iziks it is clearly "not ICE!"
          1. -7
            31 May 2013 20: 11
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            It’s one thing to shoot like a dash, another thing when the S-300 radar sees Israeli planes take off from their airfields!

            Do not enlighten from which particular aerodromes? It is not so difficult, there are not a dozen of them.
            1. +2
              1 June 2013 15: 56
              Quote: professor
              Do not enlighten from which particular aerodromes? It is not so difficult, there are not a dozen of them.

              Actually, this is not my theater of VD, but what can you do for a vis-a-vis like you, dear.
              The Israeli Air Force website points to 11 air bases. The country's aerodrome network comprises 57 aerodromes of which 54 is paved.
              The closest to Syria is AB Ramat David (near the city of Afula), where 1 aerofoil is based, consisting of 3 F-16 air squadrons. The airbase is located in the Jezreel Valley at an altitude of 56m above sea level, has 3 runways up to 2500m long. Coordinates: latitude - 32 * 39.54 "s., Longitude - 35 * 10.46" in. (Iaf.org.il)
              AB cover mountains to take off need to rise above them.
              Takeoff towards the sea can be controlled by the MRZK of a friendly country, as was the case during the Vietnam War. So, if you wish, you can "see" your planes.
              The normal calculation of the UAV "Tunguska", "Shilka", or "Needle-10" will count "and - again!"
              1. -1
                1 June 2013 16: 11
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                Coordinates: latitude - 32 * 39.54 "s., Longitude - 35 * 10.46" in. (Iaf.org.il)

                Beautifully started. Look at Ramat David at Google Earth, the northernmost airfield. It is reliably covered from Syria by the Golan Heights and Mount Hermon (2400 m). Israeli troops sit on Mount Hermon and view Syrah hundreds of kilometers inland, and not vice versa. Therefore, none of the Israeli AB Syrian S-300 are not afraid and they will not see anyone on take-off.

                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                AB cover the mountains, to take off you need to rise above them.

                This is not true. Golan is a narrow segment just covering Israel from Syria. The Jordanian mountains perform the same function.

                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                The normal calculation of the UAV "Tunguska", "Shilka", or "Needle-10" will count "and - again!"

                Doesn't take off at all. Recall the complaints of General Shamanov?
                1. Kirgudum
                  +1
                  1 June 2013 23: 43
                  Professor, yes this Shalamov was given to you. Why did UAVs fly over the 58th Army? Yes, because they poked through and did not give them an escort of a short-range air defense system of the "Pantsir" type. And now we are looking at the same "Shell" - it destroyed the E-95 target from a distance, as far as I remember, 7 kilometers. The EPR of this target is only 0,15. Well, I think you saw the video with the destruction of the drone by the Russian MiG, so your drones are not so invulnerable.
                  1. 0
                    2 June 2013 11: 01
                    Quote: Kirgudum
                    Professor, this Shalamov was given to you.

                    Only not Shalamov, but the hero of Russia respected by me, General Shamanov.

                    Quote: Kirgudum
                    And now we are looking at the same "Shell" - it is being tested ...

                    Stop! Is this the one who missed the real bombing of the suburbs of Damascus? So much for the test ...
                    1. Kirgudum
                      0
                      2 June 2013 18: 34
                      Professor, why did you decide that "Pantsir" was there at all? Photo "Armor" near Damascus in the studio, I'm waiting.
                      And you did not take into account the political factor - it is no secret that Assad, fearing provocations from Israel, such as "Syria insidiously attacked our planes while we peacefully bombed their cities", could have given the order not to open fire on Israeli planes yet. It was the same with the Turkish F-4 - it was not immediately shot down.

                      And by the way, I apologize for the offtopic, I don’t want to rummage through the comments, otherwise my computer is already hanging, but still answer - what evidence is there for your assertion that Assad Jr. financed the terrorist attack at the disco?

                      And - why did you even decide that the missiles in the bombed-out warehouses were intended for Hezbollah? Is there any real evidence for this, other than the allegations of the Israeli military?
                      1. -1
                        2 June 2013 18: 45
                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        Professor, why did you decide that "Pantsir" was there at all? Photo "Armor" near Damascus in the studio, I'm waiting.

                        In general, the supply of shells to Syria is an absolutely open infa, which was recognized by both Syria and Russia. There were numerous links in previous posts, look for find
                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        And you did not take into account the political factor - it is no secret that Assad, fearing provocations from Israel, such as "Syria insidiously attacked our planes while we peacefully bombed their cities", could have given the order not to open fire on Israeli planes yet.

                        Only a question - then you need air defense? If Assad is so stupid. so as not to shoot down planes in its airspace (although they still trumpeted that they shot down and captured two pilots. though they still haven’t shown one or the other) - wonderful. let it remain. c-300 (if it receives 0, it will not start either - it would be worth it not to succumb to provocation laughing
                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        Assad Jr. financed the attack at the disco?

                        The headquarters of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, were in Damascus (before the events), receiving everything from Syria, from financing to training facilities

                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        And - why did you even decide that the missiles in the bombed-out warehouses were intended for Hezbollah? Is there any real evidence for this, other than unfounded
                        Israeli military claims?

                        Do you have any evidence other than Assad’s allegations?
                      2. 0
                        3 June 2013 02: 04
                        In general, the supply of shells to Syria is an absolutely open infa, which was recognized by both Syria and Russia. There were numerous links in previous posts, look for find


                        Are you or are you pretending? After all, you were clearly told that these complexes might not have been on "these" objects. In general, Armor, rather than this, cover the position of the S-200. Was at least one of them impressed? Now, if you have evidence that it was the affected objects that were dried out by the Shells. Then - great.

                        Only a question - then you need air defense? If Assad is so stupid. so as not to shoot down planes in its airspace (although they still trumpeted that they shot down and captured two pilots. though they still haven’t shown one or the other) - wonderful. let it remain. c-300 (if it receives 0, it will not start either - it would be worth it not to succumb to provocation


                        But this is trollism. If I hadn’t answered, I would have minusanul. Although it’s like a dead poultice to you :).
                        It has long been said that the attack was from Lebanese airspace. And I imagine what kind of howl you personally raised if your flying predators were not shot down over Syrian territory. This, mil-chel provocation, is called.

                        The headquarters of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, were in Damascus (before the events), receiving everything from Syria, from financing to training facilities


                        They ask you about a specific terrorist attack. And if the chief executives of the "Chechens" live in London, they are received in Washington, they use American weapons and equipment, why should we bomb Washington, London? If this happens, will you personally support our policy?

                        Do you have any evidence other than Assad’s allegations?


                        But what about the presumption of innocence? I’ll say right now that the Jews themselves organized the Lochocost and prove to me that this is not so. You can’t prove it. So the way it is? You talked about Lebanese weapons, and that's for you to prove.
                      3. 0
                        3 June 2013 17: 49
                        Quote: alicante11
                        . In general, the armor, rather than this, covers the position of the S-200. At least one of them was struck?

                        Maybe of course it is. laughing
                        Shells cover s-200 .s-200-shells, but generally thought the air defense should not allow the attack of the enemy air force. The rest is for shkolota. Were on those objects, not on those, covered one or the other. Fact one Israeli Air Force raided Damascus, 10 km from the presidential palace. it was bombed and flew away without loss. And the fact that the air defense covered some jerboas in the desert. Well let's laugh together

                        Quote: alicante11
                        that the shells dried out precisely the affected objects

                        All air defense slipped - along with s- (different) Shells and Beeches, everything else does not play a role. The fact is that if there were no Shell, Bukov, and generally all air defense in Syria, the result would be the same.

                        Quote: alicante11
                        It has long been said that the attack was from Lebanese airspace. And I imagine what kind of howl you personally raised if your flying predators were not shot down over Syrian territory.

                        Did you even look at the map? Distances there etc. Damascus in visibility (visual) from the Golan Heights. Distance 60 km. If they cannot track planes for 60 km - why the hell do you need air defense. By the way, 3 previous times were bombed with a call to the territory of Syria. The result is the same. I think the same thing this time. It’s just necessary, like Syrian air defense, to report to the people. It seems that the rays of the radar across the border do not interrupt.

                        Quote: alicante11
                        You are asked about a specific terrorist attack.

                        Let me give you a small example - the Dolphinarium. Organized by Hamas (10 years ago) .Then they were still sitting in Damascus. They blew up a disco. Mostly Russian-speaking teenagers aged 16-19 died, by the way, many of them are Russian citizens. Yes, I forgot, another 120 wounded, many became disabled for life.
                        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82_%D1%83_%D0%B4%

                        D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B8_%C2%AB%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D

                        1%84%D0%B8%C2%BB
                        List of the dead [edit]

                        Maria Tagiltseva - 14 years
                        Evgenia Dorfman - 15 years
                        Raisa Nemirovskaya - 15 years
                        Julia Sklyanik - 15 years
                        Anna Kazachkova - 15 years
                        Katherine Castañada - 15 years
                        Irina Nepomnyashchaya - 16 years
                        Maryana Medvedenko - 16 years
                        Liana Sahakyan - 16 years
                        Marina Berkovskaya - 17 years
                        Simon Rudin - 17 years
                        Julia Nalimova - 16 years
                        Elena Nalimova - 18 years
                        Irina Osadchaya - 18 years
                        Alexey Lupalo - 17 years
                        Ilya Gutman - 19 years
                        Sergey Panchenko - 20 years
                        Roman Dzhanashvili - 21 year
                        Diaz Nurmanov - 21 year
                        Ian Bloom - Xnumx Years
                        Uri Shahar - 32 of the Year

                        more evidence?
                      4. -1
                        2 June 2013 20: 50
                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        Professor, why did you decide that "Pantsir" was there at all? Photo "Armor" near Damascus in the studio, I'm waiting.

                        Receive and sign.
                      5. Kirgudum
                        0
                        3 June 2013 17: 12
                        Why did you decide that this is Syria? The source of the picture in the studio.
                        In addition - even if so, the fighters could let go just to prevent Israel from starting an operation to support the Islamists in Syria (which you would call an operation to prevent chemical weapons from falling into the hands of bandits or something like that).
                      6. -2
                        3 June 2013 21: 28
                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        Why did you decide that this is Syria? The source of the picture in the studio.

                        Do not run for cigarettes? wassat

                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        In addition - even if so, the fighters could let go just to prevent Israel from starting an operation to support the Islamists in Syria (which you would call an operation to prevent chemical weapons from falling into the hands of bandits or something like that).


                        I would cheat on them in the brain, says a nerd beaten by hooligans, but I don’t want to get involved ... laughing

                        Another photo "not from Damascus" on the road.
                2. +2
                  1 June 2013 23: 47
                  I parry.
                  1. I wrote that "AB cover the mountains," you described exactly how.
                  2. So I wrote about AB Ramat-David, and you suggest me to look at him again ...
                  3. "Advisers" will establish normal round-the-clock duty of DOS and all takeoffs of your aircraft will be timely detected.
                  4. There is also "Pantsir-1S" with its mm-radar, optoelectronic target search, detection and tracking system, there are 12 missiles and 2 X 30mm cannons. I guess the "Avenger" with his speed will not be comme il faut.
                  5. Shamanov talked about "Arrows" with their IK GOS. "Needles" is a completely different MANPADS, the heat signature is one of the slogans ... So you can smoke bamboo and think hard before getting involved in a large-scale adventure.
                  If a bonfire breaks out, we will have to check our latest developments in practice against state toys and your souvenirs, it seems to me.
                  1. -2
                    2 June 2013 11: 07
                    We apparently communicate in different languages. request
                    The mountains cover Ramat David from Syria, therefore, the Syrians and advisers are not able to monitor takeoffs and landings at any ABOI AB. What the Shell is capable of, we have already managed to make sure, now they scare the S-300. Shamanov complained of impunity for Georgian UAVs. He never heard of other air defense systems? Would he be denied these complexes?
                    1. Kirgudum
                      0
                      2 June 2013 18: 39
                      What the Shell is capable of has already managed to make sure the pilot of a Turkish fighter shot down by him)))
                      And under Damascus there was either no Shell, or they didn’t open the igron - for political reasons, so as not to provoke a foul neighbor, being a step away from defeating the bandits.
                      1. -1
                        2 June 2013 20: 46
                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        What the Shell is capable of has already managed to make sure the pilot of a Turkish fighter shot down by him)))

                        I listened to the ring, but I don’t know where he is. The ancient phantom was not shot down by the Shell.

                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        And under Damascus there was either no Shell, or they didn’t open the igron - for political reasons, so as not to provoke a foul neighbor, being a step away from defeating the bandits.
                  2. 0
                    2 June 2013 18: 52
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    So I wrote about AB Ramat-David, and you suggest that I look at him again ..

                    Today, it was there (Migdal Emek) From all sides of the mountain, Galilee (North) Carmel Ridge (from the South) The Israeli valley in the east rests on the island of Kineret and, accordingly, in the Golan Heights, but from the west - the sea and Haifa. By the way, not far from Ramat = David, Mount Megida is located (Har Megido) (Armagedon - in Christianity)
                    Like Mount Tavor, Nazareth and the Wadi Ara, according to which Jesus seems to come to Jerusalem upon coming.
      3. +1
        31 May 2013 12: 50
        they turn around quickly! the question is in combat calculations.
      4. 0
        31 May 2013 17: 58
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Israel is going to destroy the Syrian S-300 before being put on combat duty
        And who is stopping the deployment of the C300 in a port or near our base = that Israel’s gut will attack Russia? wink
    10. Kirgudum
      0
      31 May 2013 11: 34
      They won’t - now Israel will not attack Syria - is afraid. No wonder Netanyahu came to bow to Putin.
    11. +8
      31 May 2013 11: 48
      Fresh video from Syria

      Positioning
      1. -5
        31 May 2013 12: 25
        Thank you for the video. I especially liked the Caterpiller D-7 bulldozer in the service of Assad's army. The question is, where is the standard engineering equipment?
        1. FOX.
          +3
          31 May 2013 13: 02
          Quote: professor
          The question is where is the standard engineering equipment?

          Perhaps there are so many combat units that there is simply not enough staff "engineer" and conscientious Syrian patriots came to the aid of their defenders. In my opinion, everything is logical. Or is this fact strange for you ?!
          1. -8
            31 May 2013 13: 15
            It is strange that engineering equipment is not enough, and according to the staffing it should be like the Russian army, it is just as strange that it turns out that America is arming Assad, and urapatriots missed this fact.
            1. FOX.
              +3
              31 May 2013 13: 28
              Quote: professor
              it turns out that America is arming Assad, and the urapatriots missed this fact.

              I will not speak for the "urapatriots", but personally I do not care at all whose equipment or weapons will be used in defending a just cause. By the way, when I was in the service, I periodically had to use captured weapons and vehicles. Or after that you will say that the United States armed the Soviet Army ?!
        2. alexkross83
          0
          31 May 2013 14: 02
          There is an answer ... soon ... will be :-)
        3. alexkross83
          0
          31 May 2013 14: 02
          There is an answer ... soon ... will be :-)
        4. AndreyAB
          0
          2 June 2013 17: 20
          But besides the tractor, have you noticed anything else? So the zapadenschik, too, except the noble bandits, no longer sees anyone at point blank range.
    12. +1
      31 May 2013 13: 15
      Thanks for the article, it’s good to translate it into English and distribute it in social networks and in Western forums.
    13. 0
      31 May 2013 23: 12
      Quote: Dima190579
      Oh, God forbid, of course, but I would like to see with just one eye how C-300 will be foolish of NATO and Israel. Well, very interesting.

      Eh. Not so simple. To reflect the raid of a large number of aircraft and cruise missiles, a lot of things are needed. Even if we put these complexes in, they won’t do the weather there.
      Another is dangerous. In the history of Russia there have been many cases of drawing our country into the war. This retraction as a rule initiated the West to please its selfish interests in weakening our country. Now this is exactly the case. God forbid we get in there - it will have disastrous consequences for our country.
  2. UPStoyan
    0
    31 May 2013 07: 55
    The title of the article speaks for itself.
  3. +2
    31 May 2013 08: 05
    Let at least C-300 cool the overheated heads of the mericatos and ALL of these goats with them.
  4. +2
    31 May 2013 08: 07
    Of course, the news is good, but the supply of offensive weapons to other Arab countries looks strange. And I must say to not quite friendly Syria. And then yell: "Where did these terrorists get the latest weapons that our army does not yet have?"
    1. +4
      31 May 2013 08: 18
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      but the deliveries of offensive weapons to other Arab countries look strange

      Are you talking about anti-tank systems and Jordan? So it smells of treason.
      1. 0
        31 May 2013 08: 26
        RPG will be produced in Jordan
        1. +3
          31 May 2013 08: 49
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          RPG will be produced in Jordan

          What's the difference? Still, "Yars" in the United States began to produce under license.
          1. -1
            31 May 2013 08: 55
            Quote: Veter
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            RPG will be produced in Jordan

            What's the difference? Still, "Yars" in the United States began to produce under license.

            Well, how do you explain. request The RPG shooter has fewer chances of surviving and defeating armored vehicles times 5 than the ATGM operator.
            1. 0
              31 May 2013 09: 48
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Well, how do you explain. request The RPG shooter has a 5 times less chance of surviving and defeating armored vehicles than the ATGM operator.


              Yes, I'm not talking about that. The fact of production.
            2. +2
              31 May 2013 09: 50
              Well, not in 5 times, you turned down, a competent shooter, even on an RPG, even on an ATGM will hit armored vehicles. And meat, at least for ATGM at least for RPGs, will have one result.
            3. 0
              31 May 2013 17: 25
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              The RPG shooter has fewer chances of surviving and defeating armored vehicles times 5 than the ATGM operator.

              depending on where and how. ATGM is more convenient in open areas, in the city it can be used - but it will be problematic - it can not be put everywhere and in size it is larger than RPG. And RPG, on the contrary, is more convenient precisely for urban battles - small dimensions, the ability to shoot from the shoulder from any window and slit - these are its advantages.
        2. Kirgudum
          +1
          31 May 2013 11: 42
          Aaron, and this is duplicity - for the sake of money they gave the enemies of Syria one of the most effective means of destroying tanks today. Already today in Syria are fighting RPG-29 "Vampire", which Russia sold to Jordan.
  5. +4
    31 May 2013 08: 07
    refused to supply S-300 air defense systems to Syria, because these same systems will clearly interfere with the "democratization" of the country under the strict guidance of the United States, Great Britain, and Israel
    And the mattresses announced the supply of weapons to the opposition
    No need to repeat us the Yugoslav cant
    1. +14
      31 May 2013 08: 17
      I agree completely, as long as you endure this trash. As the unforgettable Nikita Sergeevich used to say: "It's time to put a hedgehog in their pants!"
  6. +12
    31 May 2013 08: 08
    They have already thought 300 times about the "democratization" of Syria, I am even more than sure they have shared it. But one thing, they forgot to think about us 300 times out of old habit. And then hrenaks and such a bummer at the GDP of the eggs were in place.
  7. +22
    31 May 2013 08: 09
    You know, all this hype around S-300, the nervous hiccups of the West, the hysteria of Israel - this is the coolest advertisement of the Russian military-industrial complex since the Vietnam War.
  8. +39
    31 May 2013 08: 12
    V. Churkin - admitted that Russia supplies weapons to Syria:
    1. +14
      31 May 2013 08: 32
      Handsome, I thought she would pounce on him !!! laughing good
      1. +18
        31 May 2013 09: 10
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Handsome, I thought she would pounce on him !!! laughing good

        Churkin is great !!!
        I would give him the Hero of Russia! For so many years, so competently and reasonably defend Russia's interests in the UN and the Security Council!
        1. +15
          31 May 2013 10: 25
          Quote: Tarpon

          Churkin is great !!!
          I would give him the Hero of Russia! ....

          Support!
          Diplomats like Churkin, Lavrov need to appropriate the Hero of Russia. Their contribution to the development of the country's defense is no less than the army.
          And Vladimir Chamov (ex-ambassador to Libya, who called Medvedev a traitor and quit voluntarily after Medvedev made a decision on Libya) - for courage, it is quite possible to represent a government award.

          And it’s time for the smiling boy Dimon to think about what to do and how to live on.
          (Although I just don’t expect this spineless thing to come up with something worthwhile. It’s just that the person is not in his place. Sending him to a restaurant somewhere as a waiter is precisely his competence. It was necessary to get so fucked up by iPhone !)
          1. +1
            31 May 2013 20: 18
            Quote: Skating rink
            Just out of place man.

            It is strange why Putin still tolerates this LADY? Because of this, he himself has to pull the carriage of the iPhone. And the MNC, know yourself, smiles ... "Radish!" Is a bad person.
    2. +17
      31 May 2013 08: 52
      Churkin is finally a handsome man! Close to the text: "If you (read the USA) managed to get an audience with Putin, then why should you complain at all" good laughing
      1. +8
        31 May 2013 08: 56
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        why do I complain

        Yes, no one even offered him coffee in the bastard, so he burst into tears that we do not have democracy and treat people badly smile.
        1. Atlon
          +9
          31 May 2013 09: 38
          Quote: avant-garde
          Yes, no one even offered him coffee in the bastard, so he burst into tears that we do not have democracy and treat people badly

          He apparently mixed up the 90s with 2013 ... Something has changed. wink And then, who is he that the President of Russia would run to meet him? This is Nemtsov companions on cirls running to McFall, but here the rank is not the same. Correctly Churov said: "Rejoice that you have received!" laughing
          1. xan
            0
            31 May 2013 15: 23
            Quote: Atlon
            Correctly Churov said: "Rejoice that you have received!" laughing

            Churov said more streamlined, I’m just freaking out what language they teach in diplomatic academies.
            I sometimes regret that a refined intellectual is sitting in the UN from Russia, and not a simpler man, which we have the vast majority.
            1. +4
              31 May 2013 15: 38
              Quote: xan
              Churov said more streamlined, I’m just freaking out what language they teach in diplomatic academies. ....


              Remember Savelia Skotenkova with his anti-aircraft codes Al-Efesbi?

              ... The course "Fundamentals of Cryptodiscourse" (Skotenkov read it at the Diplomatic Academy for two years) was a definite milestone by which one can judge where his views evolved with age.
              It is easiest to explain what a “cryptodiscourse” is by citing an opening from a lecture. Below we quote the preserved handwritten compendium of one of the listeners, where Skotenkov's oral speech most likely underwent significant reductions.

              Cryptodiscourse Levels.
              Any diplomatic or journalistic discourse always has two levels:
              1) external, formal factual (geopolitical),
              2) "essential" - the real energy content of the discourse, metatext.

              Manipulation of facts is simply the external design of the energy essence of each statement. Imagine, for example, that a Baltic diplomat tells you at an embassy reception:
              - Stalin, in a broad historical perspective, is the same as Hitler, and the USSR is the same as fascist Germany, only with an Asian touch. And Russia, as the legal successor to the USSR, is fascist Germany today.

              At the essential energy level, this phrase has approximately the following projection:
              “Roly, get up cancer. I’ll ride to Europe on horseback, and you will be cleaning my shoes for ten euro cents a day. ”

              At the same level, the answer, of course, is this:
              “Suck, what a swamp, then I’ll pour you oil - and if you suck well, maybe I’ll buy you some sprat. And for the fact that you had your own Legion of SS, the Jews will have you at cp @ ku for another hundred years, and so you need it. ”

              But at the geopolitical level, the essential response is projected like this:
              - Sorry, but this is a rather primitive concept. The Soviet Union during the Second World War bore the brunt of the fight against Nazism, and at present Russia is the most important economic partner of a united Europe. And any attempt to question the liberation mission of the Red Army is a criminal shamelessness, as disgusting as the denial of the Holocaust.

              The traditional misfortune of Russian diplomacy is the confusion of discourse levels. Our diplomat would most likely answer precisely at the energy level - because that is how the response is born in the soul. But diplomatic skill is to carefully reflect the essential response that is born in the heart, and then with a smile translate it into an impeccable geopolitical language.

              Some believe that an immediate transition to the essential level of communication is not a disaster, but just the strength of our diplomacy (Lavrov). But this is imperial. approach of the last century, due great number of tanks. division to Europe. Now out of date.

              ___________

              Victor Pelevin,
              "Pineapple water for a beautiful lady"
              Part two, "Anti-aircraft codes of Al-Efesbi"


              In general, an interesting little book.
              Who did not read - I recommend.
    3. +6
      31 May 2013 09: 16
      Krasava Churkin, they with their democracy have tortured the whole world ...
      1. +5
        31 May 2013 10: 25
        Quote: slavik_gross
        Krasava Churkin,

        I join, I don’t understand Chernomyrdin so many pearls by ear, and Churkin how many times the adversaries put in a puddle and almost never quote him. Someone presses the corn.
    4. +9
      31 May 2013 09: 45
      Babec is stupid, she’s told that C-300 cannot be used against militants, they don’t have airplanes, and she ..... Fool
      1. +13
        31 May 2013 10: 39
        Quote: maxcor1974
        Babec is stupid, she’s told that C-300 cannot be used against militants, they don’t have airplanes, and she ..... Fool

        She may not be a fool, but her specific goal was set by the editor of the TV channel before the interview - to mix Churkin with dirt, to show the whole world the "wrong" position of Russia. The pressure to which she began to resort when she felt that she was losing the situation is just one of the journalistic methods with which she tried to unsettle the interviewee, make him confuse and answer indistinctly. They are taught this.

        But Churkin did well, psychological training at a good level, and a nervous climatic woman did not care for him. I jumped and jumped, but you can’t argue against logic.

        ___

        PS Damn, how cleverly they learned to manipulate public opinion! They put everything upside down, call white black and vice versa - and as it should. Moreover, the western man in the street and part of ours still believe them!

        Goebbels said: - "A lie, repeated a thousand times, becomes the truth."
        Worthy students!
        1. Kirgudum
          +7
          31 May 2013 11: 44
          Media - A Tool for Manipulating Idiots.
    5. Kirgudum
      +8
      31 May 2013 11: 48
      "If you managed to get an audience with President Putin" - it was he who told this fool that "the US Secretary of State waited three hours at the reception")))) From the side - the governor of a small province begged for a meeting with the Emperor - in short, well done Churkin, beautifully presented Russia !
      1. +6
        31 May 2013 12: 23
        Quote: Kirgudum
        ... the governor of a small province begged for a meeting with the Emperor ...

        It reminds me a bit of how our grandfathers spoke with Western kings ...

        “... Previously, it did not happen that the great sovereigns of all Russia communicate with the Swedish rulers; the Swedish rulers communicated with Novgorod ... your father exchanged letters with the Novgorod governors ... When the Novgorod governors of the great Tsar of Russia send their ambassador to King Gustav, then Gustav, the King of Sweden and Gothic, will have to kiss the cross before the ambassador ... It’s impossible for him to be deceived by us... ".
        “... But King Magnus ... himself does not know that, as we about your manly family from all the lands that come to us. And that we granted King Artsimagnus the city of Polchev and other cities, then we with God's will in their patrimony are free: whom we want, that we favor... ".

        From a letter from Ivan IV the Terrible to Queen Elizabeth I of England


        Well, somewhere it is necessary, probably. wink
        1. +3
          31 May 2013 12: 52
          Quote: Skating rink
          It reminds me a bit of how our grandfathers spoke with Western kings ..

          Well, what about. Istoic traditions must be observedThousand here
    6. +4
      31 May 2013 12: 40
      If something seems to this Amanpur, then let him cross himself or spit over his shoulder, as desired. And our leader should not use rash phrases. We supply weapons not to the "Assad regime", but to the LEGAL GOVERNMENT.
    7. AndreyAB
      +4
      31 May 2013 15: 05
      So what's the problem then the West supplies the bandits with weapons oh sorry "rebels" and Russia supplies the legitimate authorities, and the S-300 is a defensive weapon and only a potential aggressor is afraid of it, moreover a cowardly one intending to kill with complete impunity from a height.
    8. +1
      31 May 2013 19: 17
      Churkin communicates very competently
  9. Andrew 121
    +4
    31 May 2013 08: 13
    Zhdems-s ... Wellcome so to speak.
  10. +3
    31 May 2013 08: 13
    The tone of the article is somewhat puffy. But the point is true. S-300 is good, it will cool hotheads. But if the opposition receives not only funds and weapons, but also people, quality training, then the Syrian army may not be able to withstand it. So, Syria will need conventional weapons like tanks, artillery and other things. Now this will become problematic if the UN begins to put sticks in wheels. And then, even if Russia can sell it to Syria, where is the guarantee that Syria will pay? Or again give away for nothing?
    Many questions arise. But one thing is good, as easy as before, NATO will not play. The sky over Syria is at least partially, but will be covered.
    1. +6
      31 May 2013 08: 18
      Syria will need conventional weapons like tanks, artillery and other things / Shoigu has already hinted about this - the EU lifts the arms embargo for the so-called opposition, and Russia lifts the supply agreement for Assad.
      1. +7
        31 May 2013 09: 16
        there the planes that want to send to Serbia were actually made for Assad, but the embargo prevented them from sending, now, theoretically, you can hammer a bolt on everything and send modern planes (read fucking offensive weapons). I think this is add. trump card will be in the near future.
      2. Atlon
        +6
        31 May 2013 09: 42
        Quote: small
        Syria will need conventional weapons like tanks, artillery and other things / Shoigu already hinted at this - the EU lifts the arms embargo for the so-called opposition, and Russia cancels the supply agreement for Assad.

        But who knows what our landing ships carry there? After all, as was written in one of the articles on VO: "Landing ships are such heavily armed transports that no one in the world, in their right mind and memory, would think of stopping or inspecting them." And what are they taking to Tartus? laughing
      3. +1
        31 May 2013 17: 30
        Quote: small
        Syria will need conventional weapons like tanks, artillery and other things /

        they need something, but they don’t have time to learn to fight on this technique. Something simpler is needed.
      4. 0
        31 May 2013 21: 17
        Quote: small
        Shoigu already hinted about this - EU

        Perhaps the Chinese comrades will join us for arms supplies and Iran.
    2. +8
      31 May 2013 11: 18
      Quote: erased
      And then, even if Russia can sell it to Syria, where is the guarantee that Syria will pay? Or again give away for nothing?

      What are we helping Syria for? Make money? And I thought we were defending our homeland. And if Syria falls and the Caucasus catches fire, will it be more profitable?
  11. +1
    31 May 2013 08: 14
    The amount is not enough)
    1. +2
      31 May 2013 08: 20
      Small spool but precious!
  12. +9
    31 May 2013 08: 21
    If only C-300 did not fail. Straight ahead of it.
    1. +3
      31 May 2013 09: 45
      Quote: Yoon Clob
      If only C-300 did not fail. Straight ahead of it.

      Similarly, I worry about the effectiveness of the use, I hope that the Syrian military is well trained.
      The "world gendarme" pondered, the bandit mongrels also calmed down, they think and reflect whether "crap" is needed in Syria.
  13. annenkov242
    +4
    31 May 2013 08: 21
    We put a good medicinal plaster on Benya and other boils from politics.
    Give a clear sky over Syria!
    Glory to Russian weapons !!!!!!!!!
    1. sem40
      0
      7 June 2013 03: 34
      Well, we live here. Far away from you. And our children are killed by your "friends." What do you care about Israel at all? Before everything in the Middle East? Owl little earth? Or are we interfering with life? Then it turns out that you are like Germans in the 30s. And the result will be the same as they are.
  14. -28
    31 May 2013 08: 22
    And if he is, what will Mr. Ya'alon begin to do the same? If he is well acquainted with the characteristics of the Russian modernized S-300 air defense system, then the only option here is something like this: urgently go to the Wailing Wall and quench your "sorrow" about it ...

    How does he know the characteristics? After all, he went all the way from the private to the chief of the general staff and the minister of defense and did not sell furniture before. request
    And to the Wailing Wall he just had to run, because this is a prodigy. laughing
    1. +7
      31 May 2013 08: 38
      Hello professor. Yesterday I asked a question not to you, but by mistake to someone else. I repeat. Tell me: in Israel, of course, they are considering options for a peaceful resolution to the conflict. And which ones? And what if with Assad? And without Assad, but with his like-minded people? And how are you going to communicate with the so-called the opposition? these are scumbags who definitely don't like you. We somehow do not really read your media. Inosmi is also not a lot. I'm wondering WHAT your authorities think (well, the people say). You have long spoken out on this subject. But the situation has changed a lot now. Assad seems to be winning.
      1. 0
        31 May 2013 08: 40
        I answered you yesterday, check. hi

        What would you like to know? A peaceful solution is no longer possible, at least with Assad. He was repeatedly offered the Golan to the borders of the 1967 year in exchange for normalization of relations. Assad refused every time. The train left.

        The opposition here is rarely called terrorists. There are no contacts with them. Sometimes they are treated with us on both sides. Healed and home. Assad has won the second year ...
        1. 0
          31 May 2013 08: 56
          ++++ Thank you.
        2. Kirgudum
          +4
          31 May 2013 11: 51
          "At both sides"??? I don’t know, everyone knows that you are treating Syrian criminals (treating - that's okay, but why are you RELEASING them then ???), tell us about the cases of Syrian soldiers being treated in Israeli hospitals - who, when, where?
    2. +9
      31 May 2013 08: 39
      In vain you are so professor. C-300 is quite a serious weapon, and as our Air Force commander said in almost direct text, suppressing them would have to pay the price with cars and pilots. It's just that Messrs. Do not understand here that if necessary, Israel will lose cars and bury its guys, but it will not back down from its own. And the amount of losses will be caused not only by the TTX S-300, but also by reconnaissance information, the presence of shock and reconnaissance UAVs, the presence of PRR and false targets from the opposing side. You already talked about the presence of heavy MLRS with a range of up to 150 km, about air-to-ground missiles working at the same range as the C-300 and KR missiles.
      1. 0
        31 May 2013 08: 43
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        In vain you are so professor. C-300 is quite a serious weapon, and as our Air Force commander said in almost direct text, suppressing them would have to pay the price with cars and pilots.

        He did not talk about cars and pilots, but only about the price.
        The rest I agree with you, I’ll add only that, the majority here does not understand that Damascus is within the reach of the AOI artillery.
        1. +10
          31 May 2013 08: 48
          Quote: professor
          that Damascus is within reach of the AOI barrel artillery.

          No, look at them, neither shame nor conscience, you’ve completely grown up, they’re not going to bombard so with artillery. So then you do not forget that you are within the reach of Syrian artillery.
          1. -13
            31 May 2013 08: 50
            Quote: avant-garde
            So then you do not forget that you are within the reach of Syrian artillery.

            But these are pipes, their trunks are short. bully Not that they will not reach the capitals of Israel, but also to large settlements.
            1. +8
              31 May 2013 08: 53
              The one who laughs last laughs. And at the expense of short "trunks" it is certainly not a Jewish nation to speak lol
              1. -19
                31 May 2013 08: 57
                Quote: avant-garde
                Laughs the one who laughs last.

                It's true. However, Assad is not laughing right now- rakes wins in full.
                1. +12
                  31 May 2013 09: 16
                  Quote: professor
                  . However, Assad is not up to laughter now; he is raking in victories in full.

                  Well, Jews have no equal in finances, but in politics you are sorry, oak trees (figuratively). Only the blind can not understand that everything will end with a great warrior and disaster for Israel. Is it really that hard to add 2 + 2 fool
                2. +4
                  31 May 2013 09: 39
                  However, Assad is not up to laughter now; he is raking in victories in full.

                  Oh, and you Jews are used to perverting reality forever.
                3. Kirgudum
                  +4
                  31 May 2013 11: 55
                  Professor, have you read the conclusion of the German intelligence service that Assad's position has significantly improved? So the strikethrough text "rakes" in your post is completely inappropriate. If the GERMANS have admitted that Assad is winning, it means that it is so, and you would not be ashamed to admit it.
                  Especially considering who he’s fighting against -
                  About 100 thousand foreign fighters from Arab and other countries entered Syria to participate in the hostilities, said President Bashar al-Assad
                  http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2013/5/30/22310898/
            2. +9
              31 May 2013 09: 09
              Gentlemen, let's not fight with trunks, whoever has more, because the main thing is that people can suffer, innocent people, maybe enough to fight, Someone Mr. Saakashvili also measured how everything ended everyone knows. Well, of course everyone will say that the Israeli army is better more prepared, but honestly I’m not sorry for myself. I’m thinking of taking the American government and those who stand behind it, the Israeli, Qatar, these fat desert cats, Saudi Arabia, the cradle of financial terrorism, give them arms and let them go to war on Syria , let their brave and brave Syrian soldiers pounce on the first number, let them go to fight instead of their soldiers, otherwise they are brave outside the walls and under guard, but in open battle it’s nothing to ruin people! I imagine if the kings fought on their own, here would be fun!
              1. sem40
                0
                7 June 2013 04: 05
                Our prime minister and half of the ministers, unlike Putin, Shoigu and Medvedev, are military officers who fought (the prime minister was a special forces officer who personally took part in special operations, was wounded. He lost his brother in Enteba - do you know what this is all about?). And did not sit at the turnout in Germany.
            3. +4
              31 May 2013 09: 20
              this does not mean that you have prepared a sweet life out of reach. what are you with ... and the Jews!
            4. Atlon
              +3
              31 May 2013 09: 45
              Quote: professor
              But these are pipes, their trunks are short. Not only will not reach the capitals of Israel, but also to large settlements.

              Hezbollah will help ... wink
              1. -6
                31 May 2013 09: 48
                For 7 years Hezbollah has been sitting quietly. Nasrallah 7 years from the bunker is afraid to get out ...
                1. +7
                  31 May 2013 10: 09
                  Quote: professor
                  For 7 years, Hezbollah has been sitting quietly.

                  And before the storm it was so quiet belay
                  1. -5
                    31 May 2013 10: 14
                    You continue to amaze me. Hezbollah will fit only for its patron, Iran, and that is not a fact. They still lick the wounds. Only recently restored the coastal highway ...
                    1. +8
                      31 May 2013 11: 07
                      Quote: professor
                      Hezbollah will fit only for its patron, Iran, and that is not a fact.


                      not so simple


                      Suitcase, train station, Israel

                      The Hezbollah Lebanese movement demanded that the Palestinian Hamas movement, its former counterpart in the fight against Israel, leave Lebanon "immediately, within a few hours." During the civil war in Syria, Hezbollah supported the Syrian government, while Hamas sided with the rebels.
                      The Hezbollah movement ordered Hamas supporters to leave Lebanon - moreover, "immediately, within a few hours." The cause of the ultimatum was the intervention of this rival Palestinian movement in the Syrian war on the side of the partisans.
                      ..........
                      Recall that the war in Syria has already partially spread to neighboring Lebanon. On Sunday, two rockets exploded in the Shiite-Christian quarter of Shia on the southern outskirts of Beirut. Shiah was bombarded several hours after the speech of the leader of Hezbollah, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, who first confessed to the intervention in Syria. Nasrallah promised to defeat Assad’s enemies - the irreconcilable Islamists (takfirists) associated with Al Qaeda, who, he said, "threaten Lebanon and all its communities." He said that Shiite militants are participating in the assault on the border city of Al-Quseir ......... As for Hezbollah, she firmly supported Bashar al-Assad not only for religious reasons - Shiites and Alawites are very different from each other , - the reason is quite pragmatic, because of cooperation with Tehran, Nadein-Raevsky explained ... Nadein-Raevsky reminded that Hamas remains the ruling force in the Gaza Strip, and in Lebanon it is considered a stranger: “In Lebanon, Hamas looks like anti-Lebanese, anti-national force". Therefore, Hamas’s position is strong only among Palestinians living in Lebanon. At the same time, the Palestinian movement itself is split into warring factions, the expert added.
                      more details http://www.vz.ru/world/2013/5/30/635009.html
                      1. -5
                        31 May 2013 11: 11
                        What are you surprised at? Hamas supported the rebels, and in Lebanon itself, the Sunnis more support El Qaeda than Hamas.
                      2. splaav
                        +6
                        31 May 2013 11: 53
                        It seems that Hezbollah began to fight with bandits on the side of the SAR, in response to covering the airspace of Lebanon and its bases with S-300 Syria with the permission or submission of Russia.
                        In this situation, Israel will no longer fly over Lebanon and Syria. (My personal opinion)
                      3. +5
                        31 May 2013 13: 01
                        Quote: professor
                        What are you surprised at?

                        Professor, I am surprised to see you sitting on a barrel of gunpowder, and the barrel itself is in the center of the fire belay nor do you think that you will fly into the air. You are a rare optimist professor wassat
                    2. +2
                      31 May 2013 12: 58
                      Quote: professor
                      You continue to amaze me. Hezbollah will fit only for its patron Iran and that is not a fact

                      But what have they to do with it? You sit in a ring of enemies and think about politics, diplomacy, economic or political benefits. So professor, when the nix starts on Israel, all who are near will fall, and next to you there are only "friends" where you don't spit laughing after the first shots, all diplomacy will fly to hell with the UN.
                      1. -4
                        31 May 2013 13: 19
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Quote: professor
                        What are you surprised at?

                        Professor, I am surprised to see you sitting on a barrel of gunpowder, and the barrel itself is in the center of the fire belay nor do you think that you will fly into the air. You are a rare optimist professor wassat

                        You do not know, but strategically, Israel has been in the best position since its inception. No neighboring army threatens its existence.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        What do they have to do with it?

                        Hezbollah has done only one thing in its history without Iran’s permission and paid for it. This will not happen again.
                      2. +3
                        31 May 2013 13: 30
                        Quote: professor
                        Not a single neighboring army threatens its existence.

                        I will copy your post and forward it to everyone. Great joke laughing
                        If you are not threatened, then why are we bombing Syria wink
                      3. -3
                        31 May 2013 13: 41
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I will copy your post and forward it to everyone. Great joke
                        If you are not threatened, then why are we bombing Syria

                        Patamushto in Israel value the lives of its citizens (for one of its 1027 they give strangers) and do not want hezbollons to bring down even one passenger plane. And the Syrian army in the best year did not threaten the EXISTENCE of Israel, and now even more so.
                      4. Baboon
                        0
                        31 May 2013 13: 43
                        Professor
                        Are you all a true Israeli citizen? All you don’t want to remember about us? In Russia, there is an EAO! Do you even want to remember where you were born?
                      5. +3
                        31 May 2013 13: 45
                        Quote: professor
                        . And the Syrian army in the best year did not threaten the EXISTENCE of Israel, and now even more so.

                        Fuck you logic, no it's something laughing you don’t have any enemies, they don’t threaten you. but you bomb by valuing the lives of your citizens and destroying hundreds of others. Where is the logic?
                      6. Baboon
                        -3
                        31 May 2013 13: 46
                        Well here Professor right, the Syrian army is always n ,,,,, and, not only Israel.
                      7. -5
                        31 May 2013 13: 51
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Your logic is fucking hot, no, it’s something you don’t have enemies, you are not threatened.

                        Flood? Not a good person at the post. I repeat EXIST not threatening. Just as Georgia does not threaten the existence of Russia even theoretically (and Russia bombed it), and America is able to destroy Russia. So understandable?
                      8. Baboon
                        +3
                        31 May 2013 13: 55
                        Well, you give examples, because of Gilad Shalit, you bombed the whole of Lebanon, and in South Ossetia our peacekeepers stood, And n ,,, and this is not Georgia, if that.
                      9. Baboon
                        +7
                        31 May 2013 14: 05
                        Well, that was Corporal Gilad Shalit! You can bomb the whole of Lebanon. But the battalion of Russian peacekeepers need to be destroyed from tanks means? That is, in your opinion, it was only necessary to watch on TV how our soldiers were being killed? Well, it’s not Jews, only Jews everywhere are offended, I forgot. But Russians can be killed, not Jews.
                      10. -6
                        31 May 2013 14: 36
                        Quote: Babon
                        But Russians can be killed, not Jews.

                        I did not write this, read carefully.
                      11. Baboon
                        0
                        1 June 2013 00: 09
                        Professor
                        Yes, you're right, but remember where you were born, this is our common homeland, so what about it? Here you are dumped from the homeland! You do not like? We will build the future without you. Although you decide for yourself, we remember that you are also our citizen, do you know how offensive it is to hear from you?
                      12. +5
                        31 May 2013 13: 59
                        Quote: professor
                        Flood?

                        No, I see contradictions in your words.
                        Quote: professor
                        Georgia does not threaten the existence of Russia even theoretically (and Russia bombed it)

                        Are you kidding me?
                      13. +4
                        1 June 2013 02: 55
                        Quote: professor
                        America is able to destroy Russia
                        Do not wait!
                        said one of your
                        so dream silently, animals, moreover, stupid
                        how many times the Yankees wiped your page, but never wiser
                      14. Baboon
                        +1
                        1 June 2013 12: 21
                        Well then, a counter question to you, but is Russia capable of destroying the United States? What will we measure whose eggs are cooler? Is it necessary at all?
                      15. +1
                        2 June 2013 11: 35
                        Quote: professor
                        Patamushto


                        Good afternoon professor. hi For your information, visitors, including myself, pay attention not only to the content of the comments, but also to the grammar.
                      16. -1
                        2 June 2013 11: 49
                        Quote: Apollon
                        Quote: professor
                        Patamushto


                        Good afternoon professor. hi For your information, visitors, including myself, pay attention not only to the content of the comments, but also to the grammar.

                        Sorry, why on earth? I carefully studied the site rules and there is not a word said about grammar. Is not it? hi
                        General rules on the site
                      17. +1
                        2 June 2013 12: 11
                        Quote: professor
                        I carefully studied the site rules and there is not a word said about grammar.


                        And here are the rules ?! winked
                        Visitors appreciate not only the content of the commentary, but also the way it is written. What is excusable to others is not excusable to you, professor, you are a consultant.
                      18. +2
                        2 June 2013 12: 32
                        We were persuaded that I will not go on jailing on the Great and Mighty, and I will adhere to the rules of spelling and punctuation as far as possible. hi
                      19. Baboon
                        0
                        3 June 2013 01: 41
                        Professor
                        It is not a matter of the great and powerful, you are an educated person, you can afford to write correctly, your education is enough. Although often you write unpleasant, but we read you and listen carefully. Well, it will not come out of you just to twist the words, we are all aware that you are an educated person!
                      20. Vtel
                        +5
                        31 May 2013 14: 16
                        You do not know, but strategically, Israel has been in the best position since its inception. No neighboring army threatens its existence.

                        Yes, it’s you who are so brave, your brothers in America and Geyrope are behind your poop.
                        Shaw then reminds me of Mowgli:
                        "People need to set traps for other people, and without that they will all be unhappy." - And we will go north !. The law of the jungle says ... Every man for himself! So they called me yellow fish? ”“ Yes, yes, fish, and also a worm - an earthworm!
                        Could it be about you! All the same, agree S-300 at the moment is the best cure for your kosher lawlessness. Our to you with a bone!
                2. +2
                  31 May 2013 11: 12
                  Nasrallah didn’t give a shit about you, but Hazbala nazed.
            5. +11
              31 May 2013 09: 47
              their trunks are short. Not only will not reach the capitals of Israel, but also to large settlements.

              How to say. Otherwise, you, the Jews, will once again have to wander in the desert for another forty years with the new "Moses".
              1. +3
                31 May 2013 11: 14
                Or you have to look for a new Moses or choose who will be him. I fully support. Without the homeland, without a flag, come and the right to rock, on the road they got bored, or something.
              2. +5
                31 May 2013 13: 03
                Quote: Megavolt
                Otherwise, you, the Jews, will have to wander in the desert for another forty years with the new "Moses".

                And can I lead them, I answer, I make them so that who the hell will they laughing
            6. +5
              31 May 2013 10: 10
              Quote: professor
              But these are pipes, their trunks are short.

              Hello, Mr. Professor!
              Yesterday your instruction, to learn mustard gas, to do circumcision and castration (article about the program "However" dated 29.05/XNUMX/XNUMX), has not yet been fulfilled, I'm afraid the barrel will suddenly have to be shortened.
              1. -2
                31 May 2013 10: 16
                Let's be precise: in order to listen to a Hebrew news release, you need to own it, regarding castration, it was a joke.
                1. 0
                  31 May 2013 10: 51
                  Quote: professor
                  regarding castration, it was a joke.

                  Thank God! Well, that did not hurry! fellow
                2. Baboon
                  0
                  31 May 2013 13: 49
                  Professor
                  Well, jokes.
            7. The comment was deleted.
            8. 0
              31 May 2013 11: 09
              Palestine reaches out.
            9. Kirgudum
              -1
              31 May 2013 11: 52
              Keep in mind that there is such a thing in the world as Iskander ...
            10. FOX.
              +5
              31 May 2013 13: 41
              Quote: professor
              But these are pipes, their trunks are short.

              What is this ??? Or do you seriously think that the distance from point A to point B is not equal to the distance from point B to point A in a straight line ??? You are killing me with your ignorance. Moreover, the type depicted on your profile picture had at least some idea of ​​physics ... were you a dummy in school?
              1. -2
                31 May 2013 13: 46
                Quote: FOX.
                What is this ??? Or do you seriously think that the distance from point A to point B is not equal to the distance from point B to point A in a straight line ??? You are killing me with your ignorance. Moreover, the type depicted on your profile picture had at least some idea of ​​physics ... were you a dummy in school?

                Before you blame anyone, look at the map of the region and the distance of Damascus from the border, or say Haifa or Tel Aviv from the border, and then laugh together at your apology.

                PS
                Waiting for an apology or calculations and calculations, you can limit yourself to marks on the map. hi
                1. FOX.
                  +6
                  31 May 2013 13: 57
                  Quote: professor
                  I'm waiting for an apology

                  ??? You didn’t mix anything up? What would I, the Soviet officer, apologize to ...? Besides, also because this ... poorly understands what TRYING to talk about? Well, you really surpassed yourself. Khutspa will not make you more competent, but he is already making fun of him. Take a look around and you will see the cheerful and kind faces of the anti-Zionists surrounding you ... Hear them GOOD Laughter? tongue
                  1. -3
                    31 May 2013 14: 01
                    Quote: FOX.
                    What would I, the Soviet officer, apologize to ...?

                    The Soviet officer has the concept of honor. you don’t, so what kind of Soviet officer are you?
                    1. FOX.
                      +3
                      31 May 2013 14: 09
                      Quote: professor
                      The Soviet officer has the concept of honor. you do not have

                      From this place please in more detail. Apparently, you and I have diametrically opposite concepts of honor in general and officer honor in particular. Let's compare the positions in order to discuss this issue in more detail. Where did I act dishonorably (in your opinion)?
                      1. -2
                        31 May 2013 14: 47
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Where did I act dishonorably

                        What is this ??? Or do you seriously think that the distance from point A to point B is not equal to the distance from point B to point A in a straight line ??? You are killing me with your ignorance. Moreover, the type depicted on your profile picture had at least some idea of ​​physics ... were you a dummy in school?

                        I’ll conduct a wack educational program as a duel. The real distance from the IDF deployment locations to Damascus is about 50 km, the distance from the nominal deployment locations of the Syrian army (in practice, nobody will allow them to deploy artillery in 2-5 km from the Israeli border) to Haifa 75 km, to Tel Aviv 120, to Jerusalem xnumx. (check it yourself on the map or lay it out?) As we see the distance from point A to point B is not equal to the distance from point B to point A in a straight line. I apologize for the unfounded accusations of ignorance. soldier
                      2. FOX.
                        +5
                        31 May 2013 15: 12
                        Quote: professor
                        (in practice, no one will let them deploy artillery 2-5 km from the Israeli border)

                        Do you seriously believe that, if necessary, the Syrian army will ask you for permission, where they will place their artillery? You are killing me, "amiable" professor. I was laughing so hard that I almost suffocated. Of course I will not apologize - they did not deserve it, but you can count on one "thank you", they cheered up !!! hi
                      3. +1
                        31 May 2013 15: 18
                        Quote: FOX.
                        Do you seriously believe that, if necessary, the Syrian army will ask you for permission, where should they place artillery?

                        You again did not carefully read. I repeat. Even with the deployment of Syrian artillery in 2-km from the Israeli border, the distance to Israeli cities will be beyond its reach, which can not be said about Damascus. So understandable?
                      4. FOX.
                        +5
                        31 May 2013 15: 30
                        Quote: professor
                        You again did not carefully read.

                        Not at all, I read your opuses very carefully, because you are a very slippery type, but you are making more and more mistakes, trying to prove your point by any means and running into the loud laugh of forum users. By the way, your new role suits you very much. I propose (as some time ago) to change the avatar to the following:
                      5. 0
                        31 May 2013 15: 41
                        A whole comment about one blah blah blah and nothing about the topic. you are not the case served as a political officer? So, how will the Syrian army shell artillery in the Israeli capital? Answer: no way.
                      6. FOX.
                        +2
                        31 May 2013 15: 49
                        Quote: professor
                        you are not the case served as a political officer?

                        The deputy politician is 9 companies, I have a slightly different specialization.
                        Quote: professor
                        how will the Syrian army shell artillery in the Israeli capital? Answer: no way.

                        You want it so much, but I can offer another answer to your question - direct fire. He personally impresses me more! hi
                      7. -2
                        31 May 2013 15: 58
                        Quote: FOX.
                        You want it so much, but I can offer another answer to your question - direct fire. He personally impresses me more!

                        Are you sure you ever served in the army? "direct fire"120 km. Tin. fool
                      8. FOX.
                        +2
                        31 May 2013 15: 41
                        How do you like this?
                      9. +1
                        31 May 2013 15: 48
                        When there are no arguments, then they go to the individual, but when they go to the avatak, then this is already below the plinth. Essentially, there is something to say "Soviet officer"?
                      10. FOX.
                        +5
                        31 May 2013 16: 02
                        Quote: professor
                        Essentially, there is something to say "Soviet officer"?

                        UNCONDITIONALLY, but unfortunately this is mostly profanity, which the system simply will not miss. But if you remove it and emotions, then the bottom line will be the following:
                        You, professor, are a petty dirty trickster who has dug in on the site and pushing here the ideas of the imaginary technical superiority of the West in general and Israel in particular over Russia, trying to demoralize the Russians in the framework of this forum and inspire us with the idea of ​​the futility of resisting a potential enemy. And further in the same vein ...
                        I will say simply, without frills - you miscalculated. Return the money to the employer !!! hi
                      11. -3
                        31 May 2013 16: 06
                        They wrote even more letters, but not a word in the case. however, you did not learn materiel because of this and verbal diarrhea. There is nothing to cover? request
                      12. FOX.
                        +7
                        31 May 2013 16: 14
                        Quote: professor
                        There is nothing to cover?

                        What to cover, professor? That nonsense that you carry? Or your delusional calculations based on "confidence" that you will not allow the Syrian army to fire on Israeli territory if something happens? Can you hear yourself ??? A madman in a feverish delirium carries less than you in your right mind (???) and possibly a hard memory.
                      13. -2
                        31 May 2013 16: 19
                        I was wrong about you. I apologize. I will no longer call you "Soviet officer" and an officer in general. You have never served in the army at all. Now this is 100% clear. Direct fire on 120 km- that’s what will go down in history from you. fool
                      14. +3
                        31 May 2013 22: 28
                        Quote: professor
                        I apologize.

                        Professor! Congratulations: You are growing above yourself! You have passed from punctuation to stylistic mistakes!
                        However, this is your whole national essence. You, even admitting yourself wrong, are not ASK FORGIVENESS and so, down Bring it to the goyim. You better bring your own Sorry, whether.
                        PS. I didn't want to offend. It's just for you for the "Soviet officer" and overt banter over a colleague.
                      15. 0
                        1 June 2013 07: 40
                        What kind of officer is he? yap. I hope he is not a colleague to you.
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        However, this is your whole national essence

                        Let's reveal your national essence? A very "productive" dialogue can turn out. To begin with, I'll post articles from the heading "Their customs" from the Caucasus Center. Fine? wink
                      16. +1
                        1 June 2013 09: 48
                        Good morning.
                        Quote: professor
                        I hope he is not a colleague to you.

                        He is my colleague, like you, on this site. We are all here gathered interest in the topic.
                        Quote: professor
                        Let's reveal your national identity

                        Legends are composed of generosity and generosity, fearlessness and contempt for the death of RUSSIANS. By the way as well about the wisdom of Solomon, tricks and greed of most of your brothers ... But the symbol of your kind has become the Eternal train! Continue to continue? If it does not make it difficult, look at your leisure utterances of the greats of this world. http://telegrafist.org/2013/05/29/59762/
                      17. FOX.
                        +5
                        31 May 2013 16: 06
                        Quote: professor
                        and when they switch to avatak, then this is already below the baseboard.

                        I'm sorry, but from under the baseboard you are no longer visible.
                      18. +4
                        31 May 2013 22: 15
                        Quote: professor
                        Essentially, there is something to say "Soviet officer"?

                        Hello professor. Allow me, as a Soviet officer, to remind you of something. C-300 is great! Effectively BUT !!! Defensively!
                        Retribution awaits you from the other side:from the offensive! from the Yakhonts! (To me, a naval officer, better known as Onyx.)
                        Specifically. "Missiles of this class were supplied to the Bashar al-Assad regime earlier, but the new batch is equipped with weapons with more modern features. Missiles capable of hitting targets up to 180 miles are equipped with stealth technology and are highly mobile. Besides, can be used against ground targets. In this embodiment, the range of the target’s defeat can be increased several times, compared to the standard 300 km in the anti-ship version. "About this newspaper New York Times on condition of anonymity, said a source familiar with the data of American intelligence services. (http://slon.ru/fast/world/yakhont-dlya-asada-rossiya-postavila-v-siriyu-partiyu-
                        novykh-raket-942327.xhtml)
                        Syria will most likely acquire the MiG-29. And they are capable of carrying 2 Yakhontas. Observe: FINISHED! for a specific task.
                        Now move your brains (they are sharp): what will Israel get in response to its attack on the SAR?
                        therefore purely professional advice: calculate how much it can cost you. ("Do I need it?" - as they say in Odessa). So that, gesheft obviously will not work!
                        I have the honor! soldier
                      19. -2
                        1 June 2013 07: 46
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Therefore, purely professional advice: consider how much it can cost you

                        Your professional answer does not contain information about Assad's lack of means of detecting targets at a specified distance. In your answer there is confidence in the invulnerability of the locations and launchers of these missiles.

                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Now move your brains (they are sharp): what will Israel get in response to its attack on the SAR?

                        Let me ask what Israel received for the air strikes attributed to it?
                      20. +2
                        1 June 2013 10: 11
                        Quote: professor
                        there is no information about Assad's lack of means of detecting targets at a specified distance.

                        Professor! Do not lose your image in my eyes. For GROUND TARGET (airfield, command post, launcher, etc.) what other means of control center are still needed? Maybe a geographer. coordinates is enough for a small GLONASS prompt? The airfield is not a ship, it will not run away anywhere! And you about the lack of "means of detecting targets at a specified distance" ... Akste, sir!
                        Quote: professor
                        What did Israel get for the air strikes attributed to it?

                        Are you seriously deny the fact of air strikes? And in my naivety, I considered you a decent person.
                      21. 0
                        1 June 2013 10: 24
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        For the GROUND purpose (airfield, KP, PU and so on) what means of TsU are still necessary?

                        Will you shoot yakhonts at airfields? Oh well. Were they not confused with the Tomahawks? With the mass of the warhead in 200 kg will you disable airfields, open the CP in the bunkers? You're like a fleet officer, how do you imagine this?

                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Do you seriously deny the fact of air strikes? And in my naivety, I considered you a decent person.

                        Give evidence (and not talk) that Israel conducted these bombings and then I will consider you a decent person.

                        -Saw, Shura, saw ... They are golden ...
                        - What if they are not gold?
                        -What do you think they are?
                      22. +1
                        1 June 2013 22: 56
                        Quote: professor
                        Will you shoot yakhonts at airfields? Oh well.


                        Respected! DO NOT BELIEVE! I was no less surprised than the New York Times, that Yakhonts “can also be used against ground targets. In this variant, the target destruction range can be increased several times, compared to the standard 300 km in the anti-ship version ".. (http://slon.ru/fast/world/yakhont-dlya-asada-rossiya-postavila-v -siriyu-partiyu-
                        novykh-raket-942327.xhtml).
                        I think: they lied Amer. Clarified. No, CIA agents are right. Yakhont is only a carrier, and the head and BZO are new! (To the delight of the torchbearers of democracy.) This is no longer a product of 1997.
                        Yes,about irony (I advise to reduce the sarcasm by half) about the BZO.
                        I have to disappoint you: in the RCC variant, it is semi-armor-piercing and 250 kg, and on airfields the equipment may be different — a cluster warhead with armor-piercing combat elements. Well, with such cute little things that, when exploding, they make a small funnel: 2-3m in diameter and depth 1-1,5 m. It’s more convenient for democrats to dig in. This is a word.
                        Quote: professor
                        Give evidence (not talk) that Israel carried out these bombings

                        About decency.
                        On the second day after the raid, your military said it was done so that the missiles (?) Would not fall into Hezbollah’s hands. And then, at the command from above, they shut up and made surprised eyes: “Who? We? No way! ”
                        So, brother Izya, you need to saw weights!
                      23. +1
                        2 June 2013 09: 08
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        I was just as surprised as the New York Times that the Yakhonts “can also be used against ground targets.”

                        This was known for a long time, but my surprise is the assumption that Yakhont with a warhead of 200 kg can cause how much damage to a well-fortified aerodrome (which are absolutely all AOI aerodromes). You can also shoot at the sparrows from the gun - there is a lot of noise, less effect.

                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        I have to disappoint you: in the RCC variant, it is semi-armor-piercing and 250 kg, and on airfields the equipment may be different — a cluster warhead with armor-piercing combat elements. Well, with such cute little things that, when exploding, they make a small funnel: 2-3m in diameter and depth 1-1,5 m. It’s more convenient for democrats to dig in. This is a word.

                        My disappointment has no limits. sad Especially looking at the harmoniously aligned aircraft on AB AOI.


                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        On the second day after the raid, your military said it was done so that the missiles (?) Would not fall into Hezbollah’s hands.

                        Can I refer to these military men? Is Mossad and the Internet cleaned up? wink
        2. +6
          31 May 2013 08: 58
          Quote: professor

          He did not talk about cars and pilots, but only about the price.
          Well, not in plain text, but everything is clear to everyone. Pilots have the same price for life, and unfortunately not one hundred Israeli pilots paid it on the orders of the state.
        3. +16
          31 May 2013 09: 30
          Of course, everyone is dumb here, only an Israeli Jew with an avatar of another Jew understands everything and knows everything laughing Shoigu has already said that we are free from obligations under previous agreements regarding the supply of weapons to Syria, and as for the possibility of getting Israel from Syria, nothing prevents us from supplying other heavy MLRS to Syria, then the chances will quickly equalize - on get each shot back. At the same time, mattress toppers will definitely help you only with language, since everyone knows who Obama and other leaders consider your Benya, they clearly explained laughing You should understand that the times when the Jews lived on the principle of "what I want, I turn it around" are over, to your regret. Even mattress toppers and those in their analytical notes wrote you off completely by 2030.
      2. +2
        31 May 2013 09: 19
        About boats do not forget dear. they are not far away and their armaments are directly aimed FOR PROTECTION AGAINST DESTRUCTION OF S-300 COMPLEXES
      3. +2
        31 May 2013 11: 08
        In general, Jews are considered smart people in the world. And smart learn from the mistakes of others. So do not repeat other people's mistakes, especially when they are prompted to you.
    3. +3
      31 May 2013 08: 55
      Quote: professor
      After all, he went all the way from the private to the chief of the general staff and the minister of defense and did not sell furniture before

      Yes, it would be better if he was selling furniture, if he had not learned to keep his mouth shut
    4. +5
      31 May 2013 09: 13
      Quote: professor
      And to the Wailing Wall he just had to run, because this is a prodigy.

      professors themselves often provoke people to flood. The question is why? Bored or something in the morning or drank coffee.
      1. -3
        31 May 2013 09: 23
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        professors themselves often provoke people to flood.

        All-tied.
    5. +1
      31 May 2013 11: 12
      Well, yes, it’s probably from a great mind that the Israeli clown in the chair of the Minister of Defense on Wednesday agreed to the point that he would threaten a blow to the Russian BDK in the Mediterranean, if they try to bring C-300, the GDP didn’t even dream of such a gift, probably there was a reason, in the style of the Gulf of Tonkin, laughing
      1. Kirgudum
        +1
        31 May 2013 11: 57
        So in Israel the S-300 is not so much AFRAID that some even FORBIDDEN to mention this name)))
    6. FOX.
      +2
      31 May 2013 13: 35
      Quote: professor
      and did not sell furniture before.

      What is this, "professor"? Has Serdyukov ceased to be your "favorite"? But what about your statements about his "balanced and thoughtful" decisions ???
  15. +11
    31 May 2013 08: 24
    Assad said at Euronews today that the C300 had arrived in Syria. And in the plot of the war, a government army appeared in the frame !! A glimpse of the truth, but appeared !! Previously, only dushmans appeared. all this is not casual. In addition, they told how bandyugan cry and ask for help from some surrounded city. There are 50000 of them. Many killed and wounded. They do not have time to bury. They say that if the Army enters there, there will be a massacre! Earlier, nothing like this had happened in euronews !! What is it for?
    1. +7
      31 May 2013 09: 14
      What is it for?
      They are preparing the population of Europe for Assad to finish the abomination and the Europeans will have to find out the real situation. Judging by such reports, the process has started ... after all, do not talk about the insight of eurons?
    2. +4
      31 May 2013 09: 42
      This is probably the bad news for these scumbags laughing
  16. vitek1233
    +4
    31 May 2013 08: 24
    Europe does not live long with its mind and does not seem to be in a hurry to do this
  17. +7
    31 May 2013 08: 27
    Well, Assad now needs to very well organize the defense of C-300 from sabotage groups (if they certainly are there). Western commandos are likely already sweating to work on creating a plan of operation to disable systems.
    1. shamil
      +4
      31 May 2013 09: 15
      Russia is also interested in their safety, in the same place our experts-advisers of "different stripes"
      1. +2
        31 May 2013 11: 14
        It goes without saying! BUT and Israel, the US and the EU are not shaky - they know how to spoil be healthy ...

        There, Jews are already shouting about the possibility of an attack on Russian BDKs carrying C300
        1. +3
          31 May 2013 14: 10
          Quote: JonnyT
          It goes without saying! BUT and Israel, the US and the EU are not shaky - they know how to spoil be healthy ...

          There, Jews are already shouting about the possibility of an attack on Russian BDKs carrying C300

          an open attack on a warship of another country in itself is Case belli, i.e. occasion for the outbreak of hostilities ...
          and they are going to destroy the S-300 en route to the position.
  18. +4
    31 May 2013 08: 29
    Article plus. One name is worth smile Now let the "crap-ratizers" think with their head off, and not opi.
  19. +5
    31 May 2013 08: 30
    The S-300 returns the balance of power to the region, Israel’s bombing cannot succeed, it cannot suppress such air defense, all hope is for amers with their massive launches of the Kyrgyz Republic, but this is a completely different level of conflict and our fleet will not stand and watch if the amers begin bomb. The situation for the enemy is stalemate, it remains to stand and rattle with arms while Assad crushes terrorists, and when he crushes to return home with a bare ass.
    1. +3
      31 May 2013 09: 52
      They will be able to suppress, only now they will lose 122 planes from 144 launches from C-300 (the defeat coefficient at the very minimum 0,85, usually it is much higher even for cruise missiles), the only question is whether they are ready to put so many pilots at once, I think that they’re not ready ... In addition, there are other air defense systems that will also open fire. If the Air Force will have such a massive loss, Benya and his government will fly guaranteed to resign. As for security, from the fall their special forces train very good specialists.
      1. -3
        31 May 2013 10: 00
        Quote: Andrey57
        They can suppress, only now 122 aircraft from 144 launches with C-300 they will lose with guarantee

        Of course guaranteed. Here is just one example of a kamikaze drone for air defense systems. Do you know how many such armed bourgeoisie are?




        Quote: Andrey57
        As for security, from the fall their special forces train very good specialists.

        Do not forget to equip them with fly swatter to intercept Tamuz.
        1. +4
          31 May 2013 10: 11
          Of course, we will equip them with a little more modern "fly swatter" than those with which mattress drones were planted in Iran, and, most likely, these "fly swatter" are included and already in place. And if you think that our S-300 operators, I apologize - instructors, will shoot from the S-300 at drones, then do not hope, although, if you wish, you can connect many Russian air defense systems that are in Syria to the S-300 command module. laughing
          1. -4
            31 May 2013 10: 19
            You have not learned the materiel. The S-300 is unable to distinguish false targets from real ones, but that doesn't matter. They will not "shoot" at kamikaze drones and do not need to. Drones will destroy targets. Regarding the flies, can you tell me how you will shoot down ATGMs? KAZ? wink
            1. +5
              31 May 2013 11: 34
              You have not learned the materiel
              Strongly resembles a parrot, "fly swatter" in the form of "Shells" and "Thors" are quite suitable, but in the target selection capabilities of the 3-S-300 everything is fine, so they will work not on drones, but on manned aircraft.
              1. -3
                31 May 2013 11: 45
                Quote: Andrey57
                Strongly resembles a parrot, "fly swatter" in the form of "Shells" and "Thors" are quite suitable, but in the target selection capabilities of the 3-S-300 everything is fine, so they will work not on drones, but on manned aircraft.

                You have not just mastered the materiel, you absolutely do not understand it. Neither Armor nor Torah are able to distinguish a cheap false target from a real plane. About the interception of ATGMs, MLRS shells and barrel artillery in general I am silent.
                Teach materiel!
                1. +5
                  31 May 2013 11: 59
                  Like a parrot, of course, all of the above flies exclusively at the same speeds and absolutely the same paths, and the developers of Russian air defense systems, well, are just dumb by nature and have no idea how they poor can learn to distinguish goals and conduct their selection, only Israeli Jews are the only ones in the world smart and everything can laughing
                  1. -3
                    31 May 2013 12: 03
                    Quote: Andrey57
                    blah blah blah

                    In addition to the slogans, are they able to analyze the performance characteristics of the false goals I have cited? Do you even have a clue what it is? At least you look at the wiki, I don’t expect more from you.
                    1. +3
                      31 May 2013 15: 57
                      "Professor" do not post your freaks here))
                      If you are here about false targets and "blah blah blah" gutari, so do not forget to mention the "inflatable army". Or do you remember about her only when it is convenient for you?
                      All around are fools, some Jews in rockets are just docks. It’s they who regularly fly into space on their launch vehicles. They are building intercontinental ballists))) The best MLRS in the world are also Jewish))
                      Remind Vidyuha from 080808, how did your Zadron Sukhoi see and immediately lie down?
                      1. -1
                        31 May 2013 16: 09
                        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
                        If you are here about false targets and "blah blah blah" gutarite, do not forget to mention the "inflatable army".

                        How can one forget about rubber products and their unique thermal signature. And the bonds of experience in their combat use in general causes goosebumps on the back.

                        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
                        The best MLRS in the world are also Jewish))

                        having no channels in the world we know whose wink
            2. 0
              31 May 2013 12: 55
              oh not capable? You think so.
        2. +5
          31 May 2013 10: 47
          Do not forget to equip them with fly swatter to intercept Tamuz.

          "Fly swatter", I'm sure there will be the same ...

          The shells, by the way, were developed in order not to "shoot a cannon at sparrows" and precisely to cover the S-300 and S-400 anti-aircraft systems.
        3. Kirgudum
          -1
          31 May 2013 12: 00
          To hit the target, these drones need to overcome the second and first air defense echelon around the S-300. In general, all these gadgets like drones are good against banana republics with outdated or outdated air defense, and not against modern air defense systems such as S-300, covered with Buks, Shells, anti-aircraft guns ... And this drone is not even supersonic , an excellent target for "Tunguska" or even "Shilka".
          1. -7
            31 May 2013 12: 07
            Quote: Kirgudum
            In general, all these gimmicks like drones are good against banana republics with outdated or outdated air defenses, and not against modern air defense systems like S-300, covered with Buks, Shells, and anti-aircraft guns ..

            How I "like" the comparison of Russia, which has the world's most advanced air defense system, with a banana republic. And can you quote Shamanov's statement about the powerlessness of the Russian troops in front of the Hermes UAV?
            1. Kirgudum
              +2
              31 May 2013 12: 31
              If it does not bother you, then please provide me with an interest in the context in which he said this.

              And then I'm very curious why Israel was so scared of the supply of S-300s to Syria, if all Russian weapons are powerless only in front of some UAVs that you have and are better than the Hermes?
              1. -4
                31 May 2013 12: 40
                Interlocutor: Vladimir Shamanov: “Sharpen the army structure for today's wars”
                In the same Abkhazian direction, Georgian drones regularly flew over the positions of our troops, and in most cases we had to put up with this. These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp for hours with impunity for hours because military air defense systems “didn’t take them”: ZU-23 anti-aircraft missiles didn’t penetrate, and MANPADS did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from drones.


                Quote: Kirgudum
                And then I'm very curious why Israel was so scared of the supply of S-300s to Syria, if all Russian weapons are powerless only in front of some UAVs that you have and are better than the Hermes?

                Many laugh here, but Israel fears the supply of these funds to Hezbollah and their use against passenger aircraft.
                1. Baboon
                  +2
                  31 May 2013 12: 57
                  Professor
                  You once wrote, but if modern anti-tank weapons such as Javelin get to the "rebels", the khan will be a T-72m. But when you wrote, did you think that these complexes are likely to end up in Iran? They will simply be sold, they will not even shoot. Even not to Russian designers will they get?
                  1. -3
                    31 May 2013 13: 20
                    Will the Sunnis hand over / sell them to the Shiites? And the paradise of the earth will come ... laughing
                    1. Baboon
                      0
                      31 May 2013 13: 31
                      And what about the Arabs are all so honest and religious? You think for the sake of money, they will not sell? In general, I look on YouTube how they are fighting, my opinion is that they don’t need life, as if they’ll kill well, okay, so do all Arabs fight? These are children, not warriors. So, of course, they will always be defeated.
                    2. +4
                      31 May 2013 19: 30
                      That's because of such professors and persecution of the Jewish people. Several of these professors are provocateurs, and a whole nation is tormented
                2. Kirgudum
                  -1
                  31 May 2013 13: 12
                  But what about a drone in Georgia, shot down by a Russian plane?
                  Well, no one will transfer anything to Hezbollah - they themselves need to, and this transfer will become a pretext for a war against Syria by NATO - if from the S-300 there is at least one launch on a civilian plane, it does not matter, from the territory of Syria or Lebanon - Syria, nothing will not help, and Assad understands this.
                  1. -2
                    31 May 2013 13: 32
                    Quote: Kirgudum
                    But what about a drone in Georgia, shot down by a Russian plane?

                    1. Ask Shamanov.
                    2. We are talking about air defense systems.
                    1. xan
                      +1
                      31 May 2013 23: 30
                      Quote: professor
                      We are talking about air defense systems.

                      It's about whether this Hermes had to be knocked down or not
                      As soon as it became necessary, a fighter and pistorius flew to Hermes
                      1. -2
                        1 June 2013 07: 47
                        8.8.8 fighters broke or were afraid of the same air defense system since they did not bring down a single Hermes? wink
                3. +1
                  31 May 2013 14: 21
                  These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp for hours with impunity for hours because the air defense forces “didn’t take them”: the ZU-23 anti-aircraft missiles didn’t penetrate, and the MANPADS did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from the drones.

                  were there "Tunguska" or S300V (VM)? no, it was not. the maximum that was was "Wasp"
            2. 0
              31 May 2013 12: 57
              Shamans paratrooper. You can say that. S-300 is rather weak. but the s-500 is good.
              1. Baboon
                +2
                31 May 2013 13: 01
                The S-500 is good, but where are the missiles with such characteristics?
                1. +3
                  31 May 2013 13: 18
                  The S-500 is good, but where are the missiles with such characteristics?

                  so far only on paper, for the S-400 only that year they dealt with technical problems ...
                  1. Baboon
                    0
                    31 May 2013 13: 20
                    That's the whole point, I believe that they will be the best, but so far they are not there.
            3. FOX.
              +1
              31 May 2013 13: 47
              Quote: professor
              Can you quote Shamanov’s statement about the powerlessness of the Russian troops in front of the Hermes UAV?

              Bring, be kind, ONLY WITH LINKS, PLEASE.
              1. -1
                31 May 2013 13: 53
                Already, see above.
                Waiting for your apology
                1. FOX.
                  +2
                  31 May 2013 14: 01
                  Quote: professor
                  Waiting for your apology

                  While this is just your fiction and nothing more, I asked for a link to the "interview". So on the apology for now, fish yourself. hi
                  1. 0
                    31 May 2013 14: 04
                    Quote: FOX.
                    While this is just your fiction and nothing more, I asked for a link to the "interview".

                    Develop eyes, there is a link. You must click on it. fool
                    1. FOX.
                      +3
                      31 May 2013 14: 23
                      Quote: professor
                      Professor

                      In general, you are certainly a master of distorting and distorting what anyone has written or said. In the interview, we are talking about what our Buk units lacked. After all, each system has its own purpose and scope.
                      1. -3
                        31 May 2013 14: 50
                        I can read. Words of Shamanov: These Hermes UAVs manufactured in Israel for hours with impunity circled above the camp of paratroopers, because the military air defense systems “didn’t take them”: ZU-23 anti-aircraft installations did not shoot through, and MANPADS missiles did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from drones. Refute them? Not fly with impunity? Did their air defense knock down?
            4. alexkross83
              +1
              31 May 2013 14: 16
              What is your indefatigable passion for war and weapons ... but rotten, dear, this is until you yourself have felt on yourself. Tell me is it genetically with you?
              1. -3
                31 May 2013 14: 51
                The love of weapons is genetic. What are you doing on Military Review? This is not a pacifist site.
    2. +2
      31 May 2013 10: 00
      Quote: Yuras222
      our fleet will not stand and watch if the amers begin to bomb.


      That is why we sold the "Bastions" to Assad so that he would cover our ships from the shore.
  20. +2
    31 May 2013 08: 34
    As soon as on August 1 the EU sets foot again and does not extend the embargo, I think Russia will immediately take this opportunity to supply Assad with modern weapons. The terrorists actually lost. And if new weapons appear at Assad, they will drive the last nail into the coffin of the militants. Sometimes it seems that only corrupt stupid people and traitors to the EU came to power in the EU. So the lifting of the embargo on the hand of both Assad and Russia.
    1. Atlon
      +7
      31 May 2013 09: 47
      Quote: romuchik
      Sometimes it seems that only corrupt stupid people and traitors to the EU came to power in the EU. So the lifting of the embargo on the hand of both Assad and Russia.

      Well, if they think with asshole ... Fagots, what to take from them? Yes
  21. -2
    31 May 2013 08: 34
    Taki Syria (and other other states of the BV) already has the sad experience of a warrior prose. Even despite the better support (than a couple of other air defense systems) support ...
    300-ki, of course, is good ... And yet, IMHO, there is more verbiage on this issue.
  22. OlegYugan
    +2
    31 May 2013 08: 36
    Good news! And Advertising of weapons marked "Made in Russia", those wishing to purchase are already in the queue.
  23. +2
    31 May 2013 08: 40
    Quote: Yves762
    Taki Syria (and other other states of the BV) already has the sad experience of a warrior prose. Even despite the better support (than a couple of other air defense systems) support ...
    300-ki, of course, is good ... And yet, IMHO, there is more verbiage on this issue.


    More less what a difference, if all the "friends of Syria" were so excited on c300, then apparently apart from verbiage they can not do anything.
    1. +3
      31 May 2013 10: 42
      Quote: romuchik
      All the "friends of Syria" got so excited on c300, then apparently apart from verbiage they can not do anything.
      -
      in my opinion, the thing is a little different:
  24. Dimkapvo
    +4
    31 May 2013 08: 40
    The S-300 is not 125, a very high level of automation - I am sure the Syrian officers will master it without any problems, it is stupid to consider them uneducated savages - normal, smart, educated men who also have a strong incentive to "learn in a real way" - a war at the gates of their home! Here is the old man 125 (NEVA) - a decent, but difficult to master complex, one PC is worth it, there to train and train people before admitting to the database.
  25. Pit
    Pit
    +2
    31 May 2013 08: 49
    “They are more effective against us than enemy armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous for our freedoms and those important things that we do. One can only regret that each state did not exterminate them long ago as pests of society and the most serious enemies for the well-being of America. ”George Washington

    After that, not a single American president blamed anything against the Jews.

    But if European leaders are not friends, then what can we say about the Israeli authorities


    Yes, not what the Jewish authorities do not think, because those who rule them live very far from Israel and rule other countries as well as Israel.
    It's simple: We inflame Islam, in the east, in the geyropa and when the population of the geyropa rises, we inflict a vaccine blow in order to reduce the number of Europeans, and the east will cut itself. And as for Israel, this is such an occasion will again whine about the genocide of the Jewish people. And ideally, it turns out to be a big Jew, or rather a world Jewry, where 50 of the most influential Jewish families rule. Although in fact, they practically rule the world for at least 150 years.
  26. +2
    31 May 2013 08: 51
    Quote: Dima190579
    Oh, God forbid, of course, but I would like to see with just one eye how C-300 will be foolish of NATO and Israel. Well, very interesting.

    Totally agree
    1. -13
      31 May 2013 08: 55
      Prepare a backup version of the explanation of why a non-taxed complex in the world may turn out to be ineffective in real hostilities:
      1. The operators were from local
      2. The enemy attacked without warning
      3. EW lighted radar
      4. And they rushed like ...
      5. Your option
      1. +15
        31 May 2013 09: 00
        Quote: professor
        5. Your option

        You 3,14zdets
        1. -6
          31 May 2013 09: 05
          This is saba (take a turn in the crowd of people who wish). good + + +

          5. Shells drove the wrong system
          1. +6
            31 May 2013 09: 10
            Quote: professor
            5. Shells drove the wrong system

            Yeah, tell me the square ones. Your posts can be called one word HYSTERIA! Go in the toilet paper shops are gone?
          2. shamil
            +2
            31 May 2013 09: 33
            do not gloat on your part, even flies will fly into Syria to fly
          3. ivachum
            +6
            31 May 2013 10: 21
            Quote: professor
            This is saba (take a turn in the crowd of people who wish). good + + +

            5. Shells drove the wrong system


            Well, if the S-300 is such a city, but what kind of boil? Fly to health ... Just don’t say that you care about the image of the Russian Federation.
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        3. faraon
          -13
          31 May 2013 09: 32
          5) option -Russian left
          1. +3
            31 May 2013 10: 02
            But the option "5) the Russians left" this time will definitely not be, they can only additionally drive up, for example, marines, from landing ships or airborne forces at Damascus airport, then for sure it will not seem a little for many.
          2. +8
            31 May 2013 11: 38
            In your place, the word "Russians" should be written with a capital letter and with great respect. If it were not for the "Russians", then at best the last representatives of your nationality would have died in uranium mines.
      2. +5
        31 May 2013 09: 07
        Yes, I know how you love Assad. But is it possible that EVERYTHING in your country is so belligerent against it? No options or what? Well, it can't be like that.
        1. -9
          31 May 2013 09: 15
          What are the options after his support for Hamas and the blood of thousands of Israeli citizens (and Russia, by the way, too) on his hands? To his wall for the cultivation of terrorism.
          1. +14
            31 May 2013 09: 30
            To his wall for the cultivation of terrorism.
            you don’t forget about yourself ... how many civilian lives are in your hands all over the world.
            I foresee speeches about the Holocaust, etc., in response I will say about the millions of Russians who gave their lives, but did not know that they had cleared the way for Judas like you.
            1. -19
              31 May 2013 09: 34
              Here is just one terrorist attack paid by Assad:
              The list of the dead:
              Maria Tagiltseva - 14 years
              Evgenia Dorfman - 15 years
              Raisa Nemirovskaya - 15 years
              Julia Sklyanik - 15 years
              Anna Kazachkova - 15 years
              Katherine Castañada - 15 years
              Irina Nepomnyashchaya - 16 years
              Maryana Medvedenko - 16 years
              Liana Sahakyan - 16 years
              Marina Berkovskaya - 17 years
              Simon Rudin - 17 years
              Julia Nalimova - 16 years
              Elena Nalimova - 18 years
              Irina Osadchaya - 18 years
              Alexey Lupalo - 17 years
              Ilya Gutman - 19 years
              Sergey Panchenko - 20 years
              Roman Dzhanashvili - 21 year
              Diaz Nurmanov - 21 year
              Ian Bloom - Xnumx Years
              Uri Shahar - 32 of the Year
              1. +11
                31 May 2013 09: 43
                If you write about your terrorist attacks and how many people died, then I'm afraid the server on this resource will collapse from information.
                1. -8
                  31 May 2013 09: 46
                  And you do not rush slogans, but give one example. By the way, the Russians did not make out the list?
                  1. +17
                    31 May 2013 09: 57
                    Russians all live at home, not in Israel
                  2. +18
                    31 May 2013 10: 28
                    Trotsky’s alone pardon Leva Bronstein alone, with the money of Jewish billionaires, has done so many troubles in Russia by arranging the genocide of the Russian people, so let's not look any further.
                  3. +8
                    31 May 2013 11: 13
                    Quote: professor
                    By the way, the Russians did not make out the list?

                    Professor! Why is everyone so sure that it was Assad who paid for the attack? Did he officially declare this? "Friends-Americans" are masters of organizing provocations and terrorist attacks (even at home), just to dump this abomination in the direction they need.
                    1. -5
                      31 May 2013 11: 19
                      Quote: Egoza
                      And why is everyone so sure that Assad paid for this attack? He officially announced this?

                      Ask where Mashal was sitting and who protected him.
                      1. Kirgudum
                        +1
                        31 May 2013 12: 37
                        "Ask where Mashal sat and who covered him." - I was not interested in who and where, I don’t know who it is, but you recently said that Israel was treating wounded Syrian bandits. According to your words, we can conclude that he treated the organizers of terrorist acts and the murderers - "covered", as you put it.
                      2. -2
                        31 May 2013 13: 22
                        Quote: Kirgudum
                        but you have not long ago said that Israel was treating wounded Syrian bandits

                        I did not say that. I said that in Israel (and now) the victims of the civil war in Syria are being treated, on both sides () Assad soldiers too). And also the children!
                  4. +6
                    31 May 2013 11: 50
                    Make a selection of all your gang raids on Lebanon and all other neighbors, include all the occupied territories and all the civilians you killed there - the picture will be the same, and after that do not hope that the Arabs will not destroy you everywhere and everywhere by all means rabid animals.
                    1. -5
                      31 May 2013 11: 56
                      Again slogans. Are you at a demonstration or party meeting? Come on, crush the facts, first names and surnames.
                      1. 0
                        31 May 2013 12: 09
                        Don’t worry, everyone will be crushed soon !!!
                      2. +6
                        31 May 2013 12: 22
                        Jews, owners of skyscrapers in New York, insured them for very large amounts three days before they were destroyed, why would it suddenly be? And take the list of victims of this organized terrorist attack only in Tyrnet, by the way, every single Jew who worked in these buildings exactly 11.09.2001 suddenly took a weekend! Well, just a pure coincidence, there are so many coincidences and everything is to the benefit of the Jews wassat
                      3. -4
                        31 May 2013 12: 33
                        Quote: Andrey57
                        Jews, owners of skyscrapers in New York, insured them for very large amounts three days before they were destroyed, why would it suddenly be? And take the list of victims of this organized terrorist attack only in Tyrnet, by the way, every single Jew who worked in these buildings specifically 11.09.2001 suddenly took a weekend!

                        Stop lying. Either you bring docs or I will continue to ignore your posts.
                      4. 3 inches.
                        +4
                        31 May 2013 12: 53
                        the list is rather big ... you can start, for example, with deir yassin. how do you like this?
                  5. +1
                    31 May 2013 12: 59
                    and the goys are on the list? unbelievable.
                  6. consul
                    +2
                    31 May 2013 14: 49
                    Quote: professor
                    And you do not rush slogans, but give one example. By the way, the Russians did not make out the list?


                    You can take an example - 1905, 1917 onwards, and only Russians are on the lists. For you, debt and debt are serious.
                2. +3
                  31 May 2013 09: 52
                  Quote: avant-garde
                  If you write about your paid terrorist attacks


                  Write very interesting, and we will support the server
                  1. +3
                    31 May 2013 10: 37
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    Write very interesting, and we will support the server


                    As I understand the list of victims of September 11 in the public domain on the Internet? I wonder how many pages are there?
                    1. Malleus
                      +1
                      31 May 2013 12: 28
                      in-in!
                      and how many, interestingly, are Jews on this list?
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              2. +7
                31 May 2013 09: 56
                rest in peace, do you need to compile a list of thousands of children in Syria whose murders are supported by your rotten state?
                1. +1
                  31 May 2013 10: 07
                  Quote: afire
                  list of thousands of children in Syria who support the killing


                  In this case, how do you explain that the Saudi imam Ali al-Rabiei promised for the head of Bashar al-Assad as much as $ 450.000. Does Israel support him too?




                  1. +1
                    31 May 2013 11: 12
                    they have one goal and it’s hard not to notice this evidence, it’s very strange to get this question from you
              3. Zopuhhh
                +2
                31 May 2013 11: 09
                Professor ... This is a list of names and all ... where is the evidence? And do not need articles from the media - real evidence ... Otherwise, it's all verbiage
                1. -5
                  31 May 2013 11: 17
                  Quote: Zopuhhh
                  All this is verbiage

                  Verbiage is with you, here's the evidence, go for it.
                  http://dolfi.ru/

                  http://www.dolphi.org/www.israeli-truth.org/delfi.html

                  1. Kirgudum
                    0
                    31 May 2013 12: 40
                    The blessed memory of the fallen. But provide evidence that this crime was organized and paid by the current President of Syria.
                    And the fact that Syria sheltered someone there - so she could easily do this just to prick Israel, let the hairpin in, so to speak.
                    This is often done in the world - for example. The West did not give the USSR the remnants of Bandera and Vlasov - although they were criminals. Do not you think, on the basis that the West did not give them to the USSR, that it was he who organized the Volyn massacre of the nationalists and the battles of the Vlasov army against the Red Army?
              4. Kirgudum
                +1
                31 May 2013 12: 34
                "Here is just one terrorist attack paid for by Assad" - Professor, specify which Assad - Bashshar or Kharez, his father?
                And is it possible to look at the payment with the signature of Assad - "payment for the terrorist attack"? In short, why did you decide that it was Assad Jr., the current president of Syria? What evidence is there - not conclusions and assumptions - but real evidence - testimony of witnesses, evidence, recordings of negotiations, etc.?
              5. +3
                31 May 2013 12: 38
                Quote: professor
                Assad paid attack:

                Are there any checks?
                1. Kirgudum
                  +2
                  31 May 2013 13: 25
                  And in response - silence ...
                  In the best case, the answer will be "Yes, this is definitely Assad, because there is no one else", diluted with a bunch of cunning conclusions and assumptions presented as evidence.

                  Professor - with all due respect to an unfamiliar interlocutor, it is ugly to blame lies and demand evidence from some, accusing them of lying, and not to give evidence yourself, while doing the same thing as blaming others. If there is any evidence in Israel - convincing evidence - Assad's involvement in this, then publish it. If they are not there - so call Assad the customer and financier of this terrorist attack will simply be idle talk and balabolstvo.
                  1. -4
                    31 May 2013 13: 34
                    There is evidence and has been published more than once, but here I am not going to convince anyone of this - it is useless. moreover, NOBODY of the opponents gave even a pale hint of evidence - the game in one (my) goal starts to bother.
                    1. Kirgudum
                      -1
                      31 May 2013 19: 01
                      Professor, do you mind when you ask someone for proof of something, they will answer you with your phrase "There is evidence and has been published more than once"?
                      They wisely wrapped it up, as well as sent it to Google.

                      In the meantime, I (yes, I am sure, others) will consider that there is no evidence of Bashshar al-Assad financing this explosion, and your statement that he was involved in it is UNSPEASABLE, and is based on your personal hostility to it.
                      1. -3
                        31 May 2013 19: 14
                        I want to see evidence from opponents at least once, and not ordinary verbiage. I myself support my claims with links to information sources. You can check in any of the topics I discuss. Already wrote about the game with one goal?
              6. Vtel
                +1
                31 May 2013 14: 43
                And here’s not only one terrorist attack mixed with kosher-masons:
                1st World
                The revolution of 1917 in Russia
                2st World
                Iraq
                Afghanistan
                Libya
                Syria
                Yes, and they will replace the 3rd world.
                Patamushto in Israel value the lives of their citizens (for one of their 1027 strangers give)

                Here I agree with you, but by half - your masses have ruined the people around the world decently, more than 1027 per brother. And why half, then remember the concentration camps of the 2nd World War, Geto, Leningrad - whether your monsters, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, and others like them, had infused this monstrous bloody massacre all over the world. And you Jews were killed in quite a few, in which we by the way condole the Russians. Well, where is the love of your Jewish massons, about which you are mumbling here - their love is involved in bloody dollars. And this is not the whole list.
                God bless you all!
          2. +8
            31 May 2013 09: 56
            Ah, well, yes, because al-Qaeda is much more peaceful than Hamaz, yab said that they adore Israel so much that they are ready to exterminate thousands of Arabs. Do the black flags of the "Syrian opposition" ever bother you?
          3. +3
            31 May 2013 10: 21
            there wouldn’t be a usa there wouldn’t be terrorism, about Israel can be said about the same. packs of people are killed and how their citizens will suffer in much smaller quantities, then hysteria begins, so you go with your double standards to the forest, then the field again to the forest and the sea
          4. +6
            31 May 2013 10: 22
            Whose cow would mumble, and even a Jewish one would be silent - there are more big bandits than there are no Jews in the entire region, a gangster state in its entirety, and it is difficult to imagine who is the most Jewish cultivator of terrorism on a state scale.
      3. Katsin
        -17
        31 May 2013 09: 56
        I give the sixth option: cowardly Jews despicably sent drones instead of pilots and despicably shot around the corner :-)
        1. +3
          31 May 2013 09: 59
          go put on a gas mask, otherwise the stink you have in the state is unbearable already
          1. +4
            31 May 2013 10: 04
            so they can’t cope with their sewers, they all crap at the same time when they heard that their end is close to that and that stink is like that!
        2. Zopuhhh
          +4
          31 May 2013 11: 15
          That's just curious, what will you write when six-pointed stars come down from the sky?
          I really like the approach of trolls like you: at first they proved with foam at the mouth that the S-300s would never be delivered. When it turns out that they are delivered, you start yelling that they will not bring down anything ...
        3. +1
          31 May 2013 11: 40
          Quote: Katsin
          cowardly jews

          I am more than sure that most members of the forum do not consider Jews cowards and minus you got for it ..
          but that not entirely ethical methods / morality so to speak guided or use it is yes.
        4. +2
          31 May 2013 12: 34
          Quote: Katsin
          I give the sixth option: cowardly Jews despicably sent drones instead of pilots and despicably shot around the corner :-)

          "Shell", our sun, works for any, including small-sized targets. He is able, working in automatic mode, to shoot both the drone itself and what it will shoot with.
      4. Natalia
        +12
        31 May 2013 13: 11
        Quote: professor
        Prepare a backup version of the explanation of why a non-taxed complex in the world may turn out to be ineffective in real hostilities:

        I would look at it from the other side.
        Prepare a version of the explanation of why Israel lost all military infrastructure when trying to destroy C-300:
        1. Mossad just provided the wrong coordinates.
        2. We did not know that they still have Iskanders there
        3. Russia should not have helped them
        4. We accidentally fired on Russian
        5. They used illegal methods
        6. We thought that they had a complete g ...
        7. America did not intercede
        .... oh my bastard, help help, houston we have a problem .... well and all that
        1. 0
          31 May 2013 13: 35
          Quote: Natalia
          Prepare a version of the explanation of why Israel lost all military infrastructure when trying to destroy C-300:

          Plus you. good I especially liked the horror story about another wunderfaf with a warhead of 500 kg capable of destroying "the entire military infrastructure", etc.
          1. Natalia
            0
            31 May 2013 14: 19
            Quote: professor
            I especially liked the horror story about another wunderfaf with a warhead of 500 kg capable of destroying "the entire military infrastructure", etc.

            Well, if you give me a plus, then I will, too. wink
            In general, I really like to watch you, you are cool and funny)))
            You are the only one here who dared to challenge the crowd, you are minus minus minus, and all the praet and the purse well, just like the Israeli tank Merkava (by the way the best tank in the world, it’s worth noting, in fairness)
            You really start a crowd, without you, I’m sure it would be much more boring, although I would like to note the fact that in your point of view there is a certain weight of truth, although not completely.
            Since you present everything from the point of view of a Western prism, thereby exaggerating the capabilities of your (American, Israeli) and underestimating the capabilities of Russian weapons, and this is understandable in principle, you are more comfortable psychological thinking that you can do everything, and this is normal ... although how I said in your words there is some truth.
            1. +5
              31 May 2013 14: 54
              Quote: Natalia
              Merkava tank (by the way, the best tank in the world, it is worth noting, in fairness)


              I was already twisted! I do not agree with you.
              With a creak in my heart I will explain why.
              There is no better technique. It happens good, excellent and guano.
              Also, all these 3 groups are divided into their subgroups. For example, the Merkava tank (we will certainly attribute it to the Excellent Tank group 2) But it was built in desert conditions and was never used in forest steppes, swamps, snows (frost), etc. Therefore, he is certainly the best in his region, like a camel in the desert. But at the same time, he is as expensive as a camel in rhinestones. But how will he behave in another region? I dont know. Our T tanks, I would call good, but more universal. No matter how they fought in any conditions. Moreover, it is cheaper and easier to repair.
            2. -2
              31 May 2013 14: 55
              Quote: Natalia
              Since you present everything from the point of view of a Western prism, thereby exaggerating the capabilities of your (American, Israeli) and underestimating the capabilities of Russian weapons, and this is understandable in principle, you are more comfortable psychological thinking that you can do everything, and this is normal ... although how I said in your words there is some truth.

              What I have said has nothing to do with the Western prism, but only with simple logic. I don't write anywhere that the IDF can destroy "the entire military infrastructure" of anyone with its Loras and missiles. It's just not serious. One F-16 carries a dozen Iskanders and makes a dozen sorties a day, and even in spite of this, I do not write that the F-16 can destroy "the entire military infrastructure" of anyone. hi
              1. +5
                31 May 2013 14: 59
                Quote: professor
                One F-16 carries a dozen Iskander

                Instein brought you in! But is it possible in more detail? Well, for general educational purposes?
                1. 0
                  31 May 2013 15: 10
                  Quote: Manager
                  Instein brought you in! But is it possible in more detail? Well, for general educational purposes?

                  Do not poke to start.

                  F-16 5420 kg combat load
                  Further, the f-16 is capable of carrying, for example, 8 bombs CBU-87 weighing 430 each and so on. F-15 recall?
                  1. +3
                    31 May 2013 15: 12
                    Quote: professor
                    F-16 5420 kg combat load
                    Further, the f-16 is capable of carrying, for example, 8 bombs CBU-87 weighing 430 each


                    And what does the Iskander have to do with it?
                    And about the poke, you're sorry. I’ll decide with whom you are and with whom you are. Do not like do not answer.
                    1. -1
                      31 May 2013 15: 20
                      Quote: Manager
                      Quote: professor
                      F-16 5420 kg combat load
                      Further, the f-16 is capable of carrying, for example, 8 bombs CBU-87 weighing 430 each


                      And what does the Iskander have to do with it?
                      And about the poke, you're sorry. I’ll decide with whom you are and with whom you are. Do not like do not answer.

                      Once again "poke" I will not answer, decide for yourself.
                      Iskander carries about 500 kg of explosives, F-16 is 10 times more. Neither one nor even the other can destroy "the entire military infrastructure" of anyone.
                      1. +3
                        31 May 2013 15: 27
                        Quote: professor
                        Iskander carries about 500 kg of explosives, F-16 is 10 times more. Neither one nor even the other can destroy "the entire military infrastructure" of anyone.


                        Besides weight, what do they have in common? But I do not set as an example Tu aircraft that can carry even more than F. Iskander is a ground-based base that is always covered with 300 in a compartment with the Shell.
                        F -16 is an airplane. So all the same, I see no reason to compare them. The purpose is the same, but the delivery methods as well as the flight speed and power are different.
                      2. -1
                        31 May 2013 15: 42
                        Quote: Manager
                        The purpose is the same

                        And I about it. Neither Iskander decides anything, nor 2-3 Ф-16. This is what it is all about.
              2. Natalia
                +5
                31 May 2013 15: 43
                Quote: professor
                One F-16 carries a dozen Iskanders and makes a dozen sorties a day, and even in spite of this, I do not write that the F-16 can destroy "the entire military infrastructure" of anyone.

                You are absolutely right, the F-16 is a pretty good thing and can do a lot of things if you let it go. But a plane that flies a little more than Mach 2.0 will very soon be overtaken by a 48H6E rocket flying at a speed of 2 km / s, and even in the opposite direction the f-16 is a fixed target.
                Let's send the MiG-29 the maximum take-off of which is 18100 kg, the combat load of which is about 2 tons at six nodes of the suspensions, to bomb military facilities in Israel. He also takes off dozens of times a day and also does business there, but this does not mean at all that he will be allowed to do this, right? Here ... with the F-16 the same story ... and that’s why it is necessary to place the S-300 there.
                Best regards hi
                1. -2
                  31 May 2013 15: 50
                  Quote: Natalia
                  Let's send a MiG-29 maximum takeoff which is 18100 kg, whose combat load is somewhere 2 tons at six nodes of the suspensions, to bomb military facilities in Israel. He also takes off dozens of times a day and also does business there, but this does not mean at all that he will be allowed to do this, right?

                  Even if it flies and fights back, even if even 10 times, it cannot destroy "the entire military infrastructure." Iskander and even more so because there are very few of them.
                2. -5
                  31 May 2013 15: 52
                  Quote: Natalia
                  We are absolutely right, the F-16 is a pretty good thing and can do a lot of things if you give it free rein. But a plane that flies a little more than Mach 2.0 will very soon be overtaken by a 48H6E rocket flying at a speed of 2 km / s, and even in the opposite direction the f-16 is a fixed target.

                  Natalia do not write nonsense


                  Here is a picture you like?
                  1. Natalia
                    +4
                    31 May 2013 16: 36
                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    Here is a picture you like?

                    complete nonsense, this duck scheme is far from reality, where on "two hectares" of land you will have an area inaccessible for shelling ... or you hope to sneak below the radar is also an unhealthy thought ... so either I did not understand you, or why are you then misunderstood ...
                    1. -2
                      31 May 2013 19: 22
                      Quote: Natalia
                      so either I didn’t understand you, or you re-misunderstood something ....

                      Natalia, do not try to talk about what you have no idea.
                      It looks funny and ridiculous
                      Quote: Natalia
                      complete nonsense, this duck scheme is far from reality, where on "two hectares" of land you will be inaccessible
                      I'm for shelling area

                      maybe this duck shemka is close to reality?

                      Can the radar on the 40B6 tower (take a two-section, 39 meters) detect the F-16 (flight altitude is 100 meters, the distance from the radar is 50 km). can you substitute the numbers in the formula?))
                      1. +5
                        31 May 2013 21: 43
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        maybe this duck shemka is close to reality?

                        If air defenses were built teapots - then yes. And so - no. It is enough to place the radar station higher (on the hills, on the mountain), the horizon moves much further. It is enough to give target designation from another, removed locator (stationary, mobile, or from an AWACS aircraft) and you can hit targets over the horizon. In the end, the "old" Msta is capable of striking far beyond the horizon moving goals. Merkava, by the way, is good for targets. Want to try?
                      2. -1
                        31 May 2013 23: 01
                        Quote: Skating rink
                        It is enough to place the radar higher (on the hills, on the mountain), the horizon moves much further

                        +/- 100 meters of weather will not do - airplanes can with impunity approach the positions of air defense systems at a distance of several tens of kilometers
                        Quote: Skating rink
                        It is enough to give target designation from another remote locator (stationary, mobile,

                        First they’ll break the remote locator, then the main one - what’s the problem?
                        Do you think the RC-135W crew is eating their bread in vain?
                        RC-135W is an aircraft for detecting and classifying air defense systems, a radio reconnaissance aircraft whose task is to build a radar map of the area indicating all radiation sources, vulnerabilities of the safest passages.
                        Quote: Skating rink
                        from an aircraft AWACS

                        None of the existing air defense systems have such a fantastic operating mode. By the way, Assad and the AWACS do not have
                      3. +2
                        31 May 2013 23: 56
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Do you think the RC-135W crew is eating their bread in vain?

                        I think that there is more than common sense in the statements of the Jewish military as there are more self-promotion and attempts to compete against Russia, like a Pug against an elephant.
                        Obviously, getting used to the easy victories over the poor Palestinians, they were dizzy with success, and they decided that they could fight against Russia in the same way, and they could intimidate the Russians themselves like Arabs with bellicose statements.
                        It's funny! .. Russia just turning around to see who is blathering there, will crush this Pug to death. Lord, they scare them with planes, they covered themselves with an iron dome. Have you seen how Russian MLRS work on squares? For example, "Tornado" with 9M216 "Excitement"? And how much of that Israel is there? Even nuclear weapons are not needed.

                        Aircraft, unpunished ... Aircraft are well punished right at the airport. Public whipping of the guilty. If it doesn’t help, any submarine floating somewhere in the Indian Ocean will calm all hunters with one volley to shoot with impunity.
                        Again they will go to the crying wall.

                        (When it cools, of course ...)
        2. +2
          31 May 2013 14: 05
          Quote: Natalia
          .... oh my bastard, help help, houston we have a problem .... well and all that


          Right! And then a round dance under Hawa Nagil!
  27. +3
    31 May 2013 09: 09
    Assad must also throw defensive Shell-C1 and restrictive T-90 with Msta-S, and replenish Toch-U wink
    1. -3
      31 May 2013 09: 16
      There is no T-90 in Lartoon yet. request
      1. -1
        31 May 2013 15: 49
        Quote: professor
        Lartune

        in Latrun

        In general, the idea is interesting.
  28. SPBOBL
    +5
    31 May 2013 09: 15
    S-300, a splinter in the State Department opera! Pleases ... :)
  29. +1
    31 May 2013 09: 19
    Tired of this chatter for a long time by this ........ m democrats need to give shouts about it. We’ll start looking at us too, we can already say that they have bribed all the bureaucrats, they have given citizenship, and they will start cutting our heads in Syria like rams. You need this CANCER TUMOR IN PLACE AND IN THE OTHER PLACES YOU ARE RE-FOR-A. And BB MAN, Syria needs help. More would be the S-300- and S-400, on the wings of Bush and the entire pack of forces.
  30. +1
    31 May 2013 09: 22
    C300 - rather a symbol that in reality will not be allowed to shoot. Surely Israeli drones control all possible ways of transporting the C300, deployment, not to mention the agents. Even if it can be deployed, how many cruise missiles will it take to crush the C300? Most likely, a long time ago and more than one option has been developed to turn off the C300, with the calculation of the necessary forces and means of both the United States and Israel, and both together.
    1. warrior
      0
      1 June 2013 14: 53
      ti zto Putina SA foolish prinimaesch?
  31. shamil
    +4
    31 May 2013 09: 22
    do not gloat everything will be a S-300 beam AT GUARD OF PEACE SYRIAN SKY FOR THE PEACE ON THE EARTH
    1. Zheka Varangian
      +9
      31 May 2013 11: 15
      It would be nice to put a bunch of false (inflatable) along with the real S-300 complex
  32. +3
    31 May 2013 09: 23
    A little offtopic. With the lifting of the embargo, no one is stopping us from helping the people of Syria modernize their armored vehicles. T72 and BMP-2 with the tactics developed by the Syrians has amazing survivability. WE HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE ON WEIGHT OF GOLD !!!! The Syrians would still have an Arena system for protecting cars.
    1. +3
      31 May 2013 09: 40
      Quote: PROXOR
      WE HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE ON WEIGHT OF GOLD !!


      Yeah, like a glass organ to a fool, he’ll break and cut his hands. Years of experience have long shown that from Arabs fighters are like from ... a bullet. How much money is swollen in these sheep farmers ....
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  34. +7
    31 May 2013 09: 25
    I think a couple of S-300 systems are not a panacea ... If they need to, they will demolish them ... But psychologically, the S-300 is already working not bad.
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  35. SCS
    SCS
    +5
    31 May 2013 09: 27
    here we are discussing possible scenarios ... bombing, artillery shelling !!! but PEOPLE, little CHILDREN live there ... after all, they have already forgotten what a peaceful, quiet life is ... well, really, it’s impossible to put an end to these bandits once and for all, and with joint efforts. (I don’t take the USA into account)! after all, to be friends, it is always better than fighting ...
    with such a development of events, a great war is coming, and it certainly does not bring happiness to this world to anyone (except for all sorts of people who enrich themselves on this)
    probably the world community has already forgotten that terrible lesson of the second world ...
    1. +2
      31 May 2013 12: 06
      Quote: SCS
      after all, to be friends, it is always better than fighting ...

      Who are you saying this to? "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat." The United States will go to world peace only if it is in power in the whole world. Or the nest of evil must be destroyed. Then (temporarily) peace will come.
  36. -12
    31 May 2013 09: 28
    When the smoking debris of the S-300 complex is shown on the video, the URA-patriots will begin to groan that the Arabs do not know how to do anything, that there were no conditions for normal deployment, that the terrorists' accomplices surrendered the position of the complex, etc. But damn it is already clear now. There are currently no conditions for the normal deployment and operation of the complex in Syria, not a single radar field, no air support, or the ability to equip positions, both spare and false, hidden from a potential enemy. Maybe it’s a secret for them, but Israel (and the EU and the US even more so) has means of destruction that allow them not to enter the S-300 missile defense zone, and Israel’s representatives warned Russia that if the S-300 was deployed in Syria, they would destroy it, which could lead to the death of Russian advisers. Therefore, all this hype is like "Well, we'll show them now!" and "They will be afraid of us!" absolutely from scratch.
    1. Katsin
      -17
      31 May 2013 09: 45
      Very adequate opinion
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        1. -7
          31 May 2013 14: 45
          Quote: GG2012
          Wow! Rabbi Katsin gives out marks! ... Well this is necessary!
          Here ... condescended, so condescended ...

          Katsin officer ha Hebrew
          1. MG42
            +4
            31 May 2013 18: 57
            Quote: Toit
            Katsin officer ha Hebrew

            Chief Editor of the Jewish World newspaper in the USA Rabbi Arie Katsin.
            http://evreimir.com/73555/73555/
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    2. -1
      31 May 2013 10: 14
      Quote: Nayhas
      When the video shows smoking debris of the S-300 complex

      Yes, they will not scream, they just throw Israel and all.
    3. 0
      31 May 2013 10: 42
      Quote: Nayhas
      When the video shows the smoldering debris of the S-300 complex,


      Let’s wait and see first!
    4. +5
      31 May 2013 10: 51
      Quote: Nayhas
      When the video shows the smoldering debris of the S-300 complex, then URA patriots

      And what will the patriots of the Guard begin? With a cry of Hurray, quite a few enemies were defeated, and with diarrhea, sit out and then run and yell - "I warned you that they would give up everything and they would get rid of us!
    5. +6
      31 May 2013 11: 26
      Quote: Nayhas
      When the video shows smoking debris of the S-300 complex

      It may well appear ... just the majority are considering a duel between the aircraft and the S-300 system .... but they do not consider that there may be backstabs, this is not a fight in the ring where prohibited blows are prohibited.
      Quote: Nayhas
      there are means of destruction that do not enter the zone

      and it’s quite possible that there are carriers that can, without crossing the border, strike not only at air defense objects but also at other objects ..
      And of course then many will scream to shit, we told you cheers to the crackers that it will be so.
      Just do not forget that the majority still think in terms of a classical war, while Israel and Co. are acting in completely different ways, fascist and a new type called "democratic revolution" .. Georgia on the opening day of the Olympic Games, Israel launched a missile strike on Easter night ...
      I think, and in this case, they do not disdain any of the possible ways to destroy both the "back" and the "sleeping", and this is in conditions when the country is torn apart from the inside by rabble from half a ball.
    6. +5
      31 May 2013 12: 14
      Quote: Nayhas
      When the smoldering debris of the S-300 complex is shown on the video, then the URA patriots will begin to lament that the Arabs and the hand-assed can’t do anything,

      Standard case. Amers attribute all the smoking fragments of aircraft to technical malfunctions.
      Quote: Nayhas
      may result in the death of Russian advisers.

      NATO advisers in Syria are already dying, however.

      S-300 can be destroyed. But you still have to try. And this makes the attack process more expensive. Cheaper to bow to Moscow. In general, it is cheaper for the Syrians to have only sabers. It would be enough to have one machine gun.
      Why bother climbing Syria, splurge on weapons? Because the truth is not possible for Satanists, they do not know how. Peace for them is destruction.
    7. +2
      31 May 2013 13: 05
      yes no rl field. Air defense focal. But the S-300 surveillance radar makes it possible to escort the target itself. With anti-radar missiles it is worse. their corner reflectors cannot be misled. but there is a way out. question? whether we will put this "exit" to Syria.
      1. 0
        1 June 2013 05: 47
        Just for many S-300s a panacea for all troubles from the air, but ground-based air defense without an air component has never in history provided a safe sky. In Syria, there are simply no conditions for the normal operation of the complex and, if it appears in Syria, it will not even be allowed to turn around ...
  37. faraon
    -1
    31 May 2013 09: 30
    Quote: avant-garde
    Quote: professor
    5. Your option

    You 3,14zdets

    You, dear one, did not take into account the level of education that Russian specialists received in relation to the Syrians, absorbed the moral and cultural values ​​that were opposite from the Syrian ones, and in general, based on previous experience of military operations, the Middle East armies did not show themselves in the hands of the most advanced and modern Russian (Soviet) weapons. Well, they don’t know how to fight, yes, with a knife from the corner, but no active military operations.
    1. +6
      31 May 2013 09: 45
      Quote: faraon
      from around the corner with a knife yes

      Is it Syrians from around the corner ???? belay belay belay You killed me with this phrase! It’s you who, from behind the backs of your owners, like not purebred dogs at all barking and climbing where your dog hasn’t fallen!
    2. +8
      31 May 2013 10: 46
      In the mid-90s he studied at the academy, and a neighbor in the hostel was a Syrian, the same listener as me. We talked naturally, went to visit each other and were generally friends of families. The Syrian made an impression of an absolutely adequate person. At the feasts, his wife was at the table with everyone, dressed in a secular manner and behaving accordingly. Not any Islamist leaps. He studied according to the same program as me. I mean that there are great specialists in Syria, well trained in our country. One pity they are few.
    3. 0
      31 May 2013 12: 24
      here of course the pharaoh from Israel is right. Studying with them is difficult.
  38. -4
    31 May 2013 09: 32
    - Is Israel capable of starting the destruction of C-300 complexes in Syria?

    - This is a mystery. An answer can only be obtained empirically. No one really knows what the Russian air defense systems are capable of. Whenever they are used, but not very successful, they are said to be old systems, and new ones are much better. laughing
    1. +14
      31 May 2013 11: 08
      When I was deputy commander of the S-200 anti-aircraft missile battalion, we had a "funny" case. The division was on combat duty in the Kaliningrad region. From distant ones there was a message that in the direction of the State. the border goes link F111. We naturally "blew up" (F111s are capable of carrying nuclear weapons on board), drove out the conscripts and ourselves (the officers) sat down at the places of calculations, I sat in the place of the capture operator. I want to say that I have not caught more adrenaline in all my service. When we asked for guidance on what to do, the planes would cross the border. The answer would be that Moscow "thinks". We answered that the arrival time was 2 minutes, after a hitch we were told "make your own decision." You yourself understand our condition. But the decision was to "blame". After the command of the commander, I took the target in the capture (the combat irradiation of the aircraft went, that is, the missile saw the target), I suspect that in the F111 cockpits all the sensors rang and all the lights blinked. As a result, the link turned sharply and went back to itself. They did not reach the border only 2 km.
      So for the skeptics, we would have overwhelmed these "eagles" with one salvo. We had no doubts about whether to blame or skip, remember Rust and the consequences of his flight that ended on Red Square. By the way, the S-200 worked at ranges of up to 240 km, and for another 50 km, the rocket could go under inertia in a controlled manner. Warhead 400 kg. Moreover, the higher the target's speed, the more likely it is to be hit. Yes, again, for those who do not believe in anything, during the shooting, training targets were ALWAYS fired from one rocket. The only drawback of this complex is its stationarity and liquid-propellant rockets flying on catfish (we had a leak of this nasty thing, it was scary, but that's another story).
      PS The radius of the continuous defeat is 600 meters (the missile does not have to hit directly on the target).
      And also the S-200 is the only complex in the world that flunked Avax in 1984. By the way, in Syria I don’t know just whose Israeli or American. I’ve flunked its division in which I served (I was concerned), I went to school at that time. Dear opponents, I do not know whether the Israelis have declassified this case (the wreckage of the apparatus fell on the territory of Syria).
      Sincerely.
      1. 0
        2 June 2013 22: 11
        What you wrote pleased you, thanks !!
      2. Efimk47
        0
        5 June 2013 21: 44
        From the above, I can note the following. In 1984, neither you nor your division simply could not overwhelm Avax. Simply because of his absence in that region. You have no idea what it looks like and on what the reconnaissance aircraft of Israel is based. So, don't drive the blizzard and wipe the locator.
  39. slugger666
    0
    31 May 2013 09: 39
    Answer if anyone owns the information, where and when was the S-300 tested? I mean real combat operations, why is everyone sure that it is so effective against any flight targets? All his praised qualities are only on paper so far, and I think no one knows how he will show himself in a real conflict
    1. +7
      31 May 2013 10: 43
      Quote: slugger666
      Is it so effective against any flying targets?

      it is really effective. made targets (in terms of parameters superior to real ones), and u was in order. the designers laid down the defeat of the target with one missile with the probability of 0,99. and since there’s just a couple of targets going on one goal, the destruction is 100%
    2. AK44
      +5
      31 May 2013 10: 46
      Jews and blue Europe are in a panic. So they are afraid. Although the S-300 has not yet been used in a real war, but as a psychological weapon, this installation works at 5+.
      PS Yes, and in real b. d. I think the S-300 will not disappoint. What - what, and weapons in Russia have not forgotten how to do it. For what they will not undertake, all the same "KALASHNIKOV" turns out!
      1. +4
        31 May 2013 12: 40
        Quote: AK44
        Jews and blue Europe in a panic.

        What are they afraid of? Do not go and do not get. Are you afraid of a bear at the zoo? If they are afraid, then not the S-300, but the fact that makes them climb the pitchfork. Let them see who pokes them in the back. It may be easier for them to turn around and then the S-300 will be on their side.
    3. +2
      31 May 2013 14: 50
      Quote: slugger666
      Answer if anyone owns the information, where and when was the S-300 tested? I mean real combat operations, why is everyone sure that it is so effective against any flight targets? All his praised qualities are only on paper so far, and I think no one knows how he will show himself in a real conflict

      What do you think, if the complex can simultaneously detect and fire at 24 aerodynamic targets, including inconspicuous objects, or 16 ballistic missiles with a reflective effective surface (EPR) of up to 0,02 m2, flying at speeds up to 4500 m / s.
      And about the real, it was not there, tk. it would apply only in case of war.
  40. +7
    31 May 2013 09: 40
    great written !!! read and smiled.
    but on the subject, I was here just a couple of days ago, "knocked" - for a year and a half, our specialists have been teaching the Syrians to use Soviet (Russian) air defense systems. perhaps, democracy will suspend its victorious stride
  41. faraon
    -11
    31 May 2013 09: 42
    Quote: unclevad
    Assad must also throw defensive Shell-C1 and restrictive T-90 with Msta-S, and replenish Toch-U wink

    Quote: Nayhas
    When the smoking debris of the S-300 complex is shown on the video, the URA-patriots will begin to groan that the Arabs do not know how to do anything, that there were no conditions for normal deployment, that the terrorists' accomplices surrendered the position of the complex, etc. But damn it is already clear now. There are currently no conditions for the normal deployment and operation of the complex in Syria, not a single radar field, no air support, or the ability to equip positions, both spare and false, hidden from a potential enemy. Maybe it’s a secret for them, but Israel (and the EU and the US even more so) has means of destruction that allow them not to enter the S-300 missile defense zone, and Israel’s representatives warned Russia that if the S-300 was deployed in Syria, they would destroy it, which could lead to the death of Russian advisers. Therefore, all this hype is like "Well, we'll show them now!" and "They will be afraid of us!" absolutely from scratch.

    I want to supplement you. Remember, there is almost the same population there, and now it is still suffering from the military operations of both warring parties.
  42. Katsin
    -19
    31 May 2013 09: 43
    Quote: FC Skiff
    You know, all this hype around S-300, the nervous hiccups of the West, the hysteria of Israel - this is the coolest advertisement of the Russian military-industrial complex since the Vietnam War.



    I accept the bet, I’m sure that the S-300 will be destroyed without loss from our country (downed drones do not count)
    1. +7
      31 May 2013 09: 50
      Do you have it in genes or something to play on the lives of your people? And if you embroil?
      1. elenasvetlova
        +13
        31 May 2013 10: 22
        and he also relishes his superiority over those who are a priori already weaker in the military unit, here it is - the Jewish essence in all its glory, and the most interesting thing is that they don’t fight with anyone, the main goal is not the abstract defense of the Jewish state, and the future rip off of whom they crush
        1. sem40
          0
          7 June 2013 03: 57
          I would have discussed with you .. if you were really interested in something. but you "know" everything. meaning? especially touched about "ripping". who to rip off? we are not you. we don’t rob other resources. we work 10 times harder and better than you. you are coming to us for treatment and study. I can not imagine that someone will come to you to study. even at MGU.
    2. +1
      31 May 2013 12: 26
      There's a possibility. but there is another option. who will lead. and you, as I understand it, started the next Blitzkrieg under the German marches?
    3. +4
      31 May 2013 12: 49
      There are several technical points that can be very important in this story. Some installations of the S-300 system may not necessarily be installed near Damascus - they can be installed on the Mediterranean coast of Syria in the air defense area of ​​the Russian fleet, which has its own S-300f air defense systems. An important technical and political moment is also the repeated statements by various Syrian leaders that any Israeli attack on Syria, including the Syrian air defense system, will entail an automatic response, unlike previous cases where Syria did not respond to Israeli attacks. Syria has a small number of old medium-range Earth-to-Earth missiles, which, judging by these statements, could be a Syrian response to a possible Israeli attack.
      http://warfiles.ru/show-32010-dlya-sohraneniya-strategicheskogo-prevoshodstva-v-
      regione-izrail-gotov-napast-na-siriyu-i-rossiyu-ekspert.html

      Sincerely.
    4. +6
      31 May 2013 15: 02
      Quote: Katsin
      I bet ...

      А зря.
      Take Validol better.
      (And you will continue to uncle Vova angry - you may need and petroleum jelly.)
    5. MG42
      +4
      31 May 2013 17: 14
      Quote: Katsin
      I bet I’m sure that the S-300 will be destroyed

      Cynicism you are not interested in, a born usurer, even if your idol dies, just to cut the money ..
      1. +3
        31 May 2013 21: 49
        Quote: MG42
        Cynicism you are not interested in, a born usurer, even if your idol dies, just to cut the money ..

        I remembered an old, Soviet anecdote from the 70s.

        Arab-Israeli conflict, battlefield. The Jew drags another, wounded, into the shelter.
        The wounded man groans: - Shoot me!
        - I won't shoot! - and drags ...
        - Well shoot!
        - Yes, I have no cartridges! ..
        - Well, BUY from me!
        1. MG42
          +2
          31 May 2013 22: 44
          Quote: Skating rink
          I remembered an old, Soviet anecdote from the 70s. The Jew drags another, wounded, into the shelter.

          Somewhere I heard ... there are still 2 Jews, one whines “I’m thirsty!” .. “I’m thirsty!” The second does not stand up and buys him a drink, he drank and continues to moan ... << like me thirsty! >> << how thirsty I was! >> crying
  43. +8
    31 May 2013 09: 45
    Quote: Atlon
    Even if there is such a raid (well, imagine!), Then after a large-scale "landing" of the raiders

    Duck the whole point is that the non-defender chooses when to attack the aggressor.
    This aggressor makes plans and attacks when it is most profitable .. the Nazis on the shortest night and the day off early in the morning, saakashvulli attacked on the day the Olympics began .. the Israelis bombed on Easter night ..
    in exactly the same vile way they can attack the S-300.
    For example .. a plane flies over the territory of Turkey .. flies and flies here and missed the rocket and tear ... and this already means that as soon as the plane appeared in the reach zone of Turkey, it is necessary to shoot .. and this is a full-fledged war ..
    On Easter night, the Jews did exactly that and launched missiles from foreign territory .. in general, without a declaration of war ... and this was done in the most despicable way .. because the Israeli leadership is the main result, and shame will not eat away ... and they have a concept of conscience relative
    1. +4
      31 May 2013 12: 52
      Quote: Scoun
      and this is a full-fledged war ..

      And why is the entire beginning of the war attributed to the Syrians? "Shmalnul rockets" - what is the strengthening of peace? People, call a spade a spade. The AGGRESSOR starts a war, which climbs into foreign territory. If they blow up the S-300, a Tochka-U will fly in response. Someday the patience of Syria and Iran will run out.
      1. +4
        31 May 2013 14: 08
        Quote: Petrix
        the beginning of the war is attributed to the Syrians?

        Turkish plane shot down Erdogan snot out ....
        Benya fired missiles at B Assad did not complicate things ...
        did not complicate things, so they began to scramble even more and again under
        they fired on their universal counter-argument on Easter night .. and when they are told that we will put the missiles, they start squealing that this is a threatening situation and they will take measures ... but in fact they are fighting in one gate .. we are fighting you and you don’t rock the boat.
        ugh damn it.
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  45. 0
    31 May 2013 09: 46
    Let homosexual Europe together with OSHA (USA according to Zadornov) go into the same homosexual wolf with its trademark "democracy"! And we have nothing to listen to them, be led by their tricks, do democratically, allowing gay pride parades ...
  46. shamil
    0
    31 May 2013 09: 46
    Che systems for shooting down drones did not deliver?
  47. +3
    31 May 2013 09: 47
    It seems to me that by supplying the S-300 to Syria, Russia has shown its firm intention to prevent the seizure of the country by the Islamists according to the Libyan or Egyptian scenario, most likely now the West will release everything on the brakes, throughout history, when the West sees Russia's firm will in protecting its interests, they retreat for this NATO and Israeli pack is too cowardly.
  48. Dzerzhinets
    +3
    31 May 2013 09: 50
    Good article and good news, the US and the EU, in their unhindered colonialist conquests, finally stumbled - intolerable impatience, broke down, take it for a fool for cheap, BUT IT IS BURNING A SPECIAL PIECE AND DOES NOT PASS INTO THE VALK MOUTH ... SO TO HOLD ...
  49. Lustrator
    +3
    31 May 2013 09: 59
    There is no doubt that Israel is doing everything right with regard to its own goals. They always calculated everything;)
    In the event of the fall of secular power in Syria and the formation of an Islamist abscess, in which - no doubt! - right away, a squabble for power and profit will begin, it will be much easier for Israel to fight against yesterday's sponsored collective farms than with a combat-ready adversary represented by the SAR Armed Forces. Moreover, the Israelis must know the composition, equipment, tactics and locations of the bands. They can be tricked into larger groups and rolled from the air. Or to interrupt with the hands of their own brothers, incited by Israeli provocateurs.

    By and large, the C300 for Syria is protection only against the classical threat in the form of Israeli and NATO aviation. This is a great target for the militants, given the fact that they can receive information about the deployment of batteries from Israel.

    Thus, I think that it is still unknown for whom this hemorrhoid is - for the "friends of Syria" or for Syria itself. But Assad has only one way out: to eliminate the ground threat to the air defense - the Wahhabis, which will not be so easy, since it's hard to fight against the bandits in the country, as well as abroad in the form of Israel, Turkey, Qatar and the Saudis.
    1. +3
      31 May 2013 13: 00
      Quote: Lustrator
      By and large, C300 for Syria - protection only from the classical threat in the form of Israeli and NATO aircraft

      But this aircraft struck to help the bandits. With the S-300 it is harder to do. So the bandits will be destroyed more. Everything is interconnected.
  50. +4
    31 May 2013 10: 17
    Quote: Hudo
    Much more effective than the S-300 as a means of deterring the incontinence of democracy.



    Here is a clear phrase laughing I propose to introduce the term (diagnosis) "Democracy Incontinence Syndrome" into circulation.
  51. +2
    31 May 2013 10: 18
    In the near future, we may find out how Western thieves will check the S-300 using drones. The vaunted pilots will be kept in barracks or assigned to sweep the area at airfields.
  52. +2
    31 May 2013 10: 27
    Fabulous! War is, of course, bad, but the fact that our authorities are not surrendering yet another country and are fighting NATO invaders is encouraging!!!
    Thanks to the author.
  53. Beibit
    +1
    31 May 2013 10: 32
    Meanwhile, something is happening in Kyrgyzstan...
  54. +4
    31 May 2013 10: 35
    There is no doubt that the S-300 is a good weapon. But let's be objective! It doesn't shoot on its own. It is necessary to prepare personal calculations. And it should have started back in 2012. Remember the defeat of the Arabs in the Arab-Israeli wars, the weapons were Soviet, and they were enough, but they screwed up the war. And why? No brains. The result is a loss of image of Soviet and Russian weapons. In addition, we must take into account that Israel has excellent Mossad intelligence; they can disable the complexes even in Syria, since the borders are full of holes. There are many Jews in the government of the Russian Federation, the Federation Council and other government structures that allow us to track all our supplies. In general, weapons need to be tested and preferably in combat, like the Americans. Everything was tested on people, Vietnamese, Serbs, Iraqis, even atomic bombs were tested in Japan. Therefore, Iskanders also need a couple of installations for testing.
    1. +2
      31 May 2013 11: 19
      I partially agree with you, Herr Oberst.
      In order for the C300 to fully realize its powerful potential, it must be operated and maintained by competent people with skillful hands and not a cowardly heart.
      I also agree that the Mossad really works effectively, not only in its region, but throughout the world, including in Russia. After all, the so-called corrupt i.e. a corrupt official doesn’t care what to sell, as long as he gets paid. As for the secrets of the S300, these officials sold them wholesale back in the early 90s, and sold them together with two sets of S300 PMU. And mainly Russians, Belarusians, Chechens and Azerbaijanis are involved in this sale. There was no smell of Jews there then. They were not allowed close to these secrets.
      Now about the “purely defensive” nature of the S300. The statement, to put it mildly and roughly speaking, is incorrect. This C300 has a very capricious character. It can knock down attacking planes over the covered territory, or maybe civilian airliners over someone else’s. Its missile defense system can also be used as a means of delivering explosives, chemical weapons, and other nasty things to quite a decent range. At least it can reach many targets in Israel. After all, none of the S300 owners will be concerned about the accuracy of delivery. Fell in a residential area and okay. And even the Syrian port of Tartus, where the Russian squadron is based, will be quite reachable. It all depends on whose very skillful hands this S300 will eventually fall into. After all, it is possible that not into the hands of Assad’s army, but into the hands of thugs called fighters for freedom for Syria
      Well, one last thing. Does anyone really think that Israel will sit and wait until passenger planes begin to be shot down over Tel Aviv airport? Never mind. Will he cover these C300s before...What will he cover them with? He will find what and where, as he has found more than once. And they will find something and someone to hide from a retaliatory strike (if anyone decides to do so). The States will not abandon him in trouble, especially since Israel is full of Israeli and American high-tech companies working not only for the Israeli Armed Forces, but also for the US Armed Forces
      1. Phoenix s
        +7
        31 May 2013 11: 29
        Yes, I ask you, enough about the horror story “shooting down passenger planes” - this fairy tale is designed for fools, and is promoted only by trolls like the Professor. Don’t you understand that a direct shot by Assad at CIVILIANS of another country will be an excellent reason for NATO to start a war against Syria, and neither the S-300 nor chemical weapons will help? After all, now NATO is not attacking Syria only because it is playing at the rule of law, and there is no clear reason to attack Syria. Well, if Israel tries to attack Syria, it will fight it off safely, maybe it will win - but it will wash itself with bloody snot, no one gave it a monopoly on hegemony in the region.
        1. +3
          31 May 2013 18: 04
          Phoenix,
          If you carefully read my post, you are unlikely to find in it a statement that it is Assad’s army that will shoot at civilian aircraft over Tel Aviv airport, although this is not excluded.
          We were talking about the potential danger of the S300 falling into the hands of the rabble who are fighting with this army or into the hands of Hezbollah and the fact that behind these hands there could be very competent brains of their patrons,
          And then, here I agree with you, there may be more than a solid reason to move from Assad’s persuasion to the destruction of his regime, and this time with NATO forces.
          Another scenario is also possible, when the S300 will fire at Israeli aircraft using Lebanese airspace to attack targets in Syria, and will not hit Israeli military aircraft, but civilian, including Russian, ships located in this space.
          After all, the S300 can distinguish between air targets only on the basis of “friend or foe”. Secondary radar channel i.e. it does not have the kind that is available in all ATC systems for obtaining information about the board number and ownership of civil vessels.
          That. I’m trying to abstract myself from the “political chatter” and evaluate what and how can happen when the C300 and other “toys” are used.
          I will repeat again, without getting hung up on discussions about “bloody Zionism, imperialism,” its patrons, and other nonsense. All this has already happened. The USSR has already supplied (and more than once) to its Arab friends not the worst weapons at that time and not the most stupid military advisers and instructors. The result is known. It is quite predictable this time too. Dot
      2. +3
        31 May 2013 12: 42
        I think that if captured by militants, it is possible to disable it in a few minutes. In the best case, the militants will get tons of warheads with shrapnel and vehicles with pipes. As I understand it, Assad himself does not seek to shoot down planes if they do not violate Syrian airspace. But I don’t know how to shoot at civilian aircraft, as you say. Bombing residential areas is the prerogative of NATO and American drones.
      3. +1
        31 May 2013 13: 30
        Quote: gregor6549
        until passenger planes begin to be shot down over Tel Aviv airport

        But the Westerners can arrange this. They themselves will shoot down a civilian plane and create hysteria about the aggressive Assad.
        Quote: gregor6549
        Now about the “purely defensive” nature of the S300.

        Even a stone from a fortress wall can be torn out to make it an offensive weapon. There would be a desire.
  55. +7
    31 May 2013 10: 56
    greetings to all hi

    food for thought
    1. -1
      31 May 2013 15: 15
      Well, the S-150 will not be placed closer than 300 km from the border. The Syrians lacked the joy of running into a volley of EXTRA MLRS. Syrians are not at all. They know that Israeli satellites are constantly circling over Syria, and the S-300 is not a needle in a haystack.
  56. +1
    31 May 2013 11: 00
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Because they need a warrior and nothing else.

    Agree. But why did they wait so long for the delivery of the S-300? They probably wanted war, but cheaper. It is now clear that the rates are rising over time. There is always the option that they will shout and calm down. Or maybe this is a distracting maneuver and will blaze somewhere else, not covered by the S-300.
  57. +1
    31 May 2013 11: 20
    The S-300 cannot solve problems. Yes, as a psychological factor it is super. But without the presence of deeply layered air defense and without specialists, it is just an expensive and good toy. And if you take into account the strength of the IDF special forces, then just before the raid they will send 5-6 groups and that’s it... no more S-300s and no air raids.
  58. VPO
    VPO
    +2
    31 May 2013 11: 21
    The question with 300 is actually very simple. The contract is signed, the contract is paid. It needs to be done. It won’t be possible to crap like Iran, and potential customers are already looking askance at our liberals. It’s a fact that the S300 won’t help the Syrians much; most likely they won’t even have time to shoot it. The fight against bandits did not benefit the Syrian air defense capabilities; the radio stations (RTS) used by the Syrians were hopelessly outdated. This applies to stations P-12, P-14, P-15, P-30, P-35, P-8; at the moment they cannot even use these stations. Many positions have long been moved or destroyed during the fighting. But the S300 cannot fight alone; it is not a lifesaver. The only option for Assad is to send our specialists with auxiliary equipment. The Jews came to understand whether our specialists would be included in the installations. Apparently they won't. And nothing has been sent there yet. At best, at the end of the year or at the beginning of the 14th. Assad is bluffing, but what else can be done? Putin will fulfill the contract, but most likely after Syria is sent for democratization.
  59. +4
    31 May 2013 11: 32
    The S-300 needs to be protected from Israeli sabotage and any other sabotage, otherwise the threats from crazed fucking children are becoming more and more bold. The satanic demonocratizers have already gone crazy there.

  60. VPO
    VPO
    +2
    31 May 2013 11: 38
    The top military leadership of Israel began to conspire with direct aggressive threats against those who are depriving them (the Israeli Armed Forces) of real combat power and hegemony in a modern non-nuclear war - superiority in the skies.

    So, on Wednesday, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon went so far as to openly threaten attacks on Russian warships (Large Landing Ships) in the Mediterranean if they try to deliver anti-aircraft weapons to Syria, The Washington Post reports.
  61. +2
    31 May 2013 11: 46
    Quote: Sith Lord
    Israel is going to destroy the Syrian S-300 before being put on combat duty

    Actually, this statement is pure bluff. As they say, “they take it to the gun,” only there are no cartridges in the “gun.” The S-300 will travel to the deployment site under the cover of Pantsirs, and the S300 itself will have a deployment time of no more than five minutes from the traveling to the combat position.

    Although, well... If you really want to, let them try.
  62. +1
    31 May 2013 12: 25
    Quote: Kirgudum
    Coming soon - in the form of a photo of the burned Israeli Phantoms.


    Such junk flies only among the Turks. The Jews have F-15, F-16.
  63. USNik
    -1
    31 May 2013 12: 42
    what will Mr. Yaalon start doing the same?...the only option here is something like this: urgently go to the Western Wall and “quench your sorrows” about this...
    laughing laughing laughing
  64. 0
    31 May 2013 12: 47
    The supply idea is very good; Russia has shown that it should not be discounted. But it’s really not worth sending the S300, there’s no point, most likely they won’t be allowed to turn around, and then the Americans will happily shout that the S300 is worthless. The S300 has now worked much better in psychological warfare, which is already a win. Although, of course, Russia needs to be told that yes, we have every reason to supply it.
    And there is no need to demonize the Israelis. For Assad, the main enemy now is Qatar, Saudi Arabia and, of course, the “peace-loving democratic” countries. Temporarily, however. Although for him it may be forever.
    And Russia and Israel have one common enemy.
  65. ed65b
    +1
    31 May 2013 12: 48
    Now the Syrian military needs to use the complex competently. Otherwise it will be like one day: “Our tanks are good, your soldiers are bad.” If they miss the mark even once or lose the complex, it will be an irreparable reputational mess.
  66. +5
    31 May 2013 12: 50
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    [b]Israel is going to destroy the Syrian S-300s before they are put on combat duty.

    Before declaring this, it is necessary to take into account that, unlike the Petriot, which is a transportable complex, the S-300 mobile complex and its deployment time for combat duty, or rather deployment, is 6 minutes, so you will have to chase after it, and in the pursuit you can run into to already deployed.
    And there is also this S-300, so go for it.
    1. MG42
      +3
      31 May 2013 16: 43
      Full-scale inflatable models equipped with additional devices for simulating electromagnetic radiation in the infrared and radio ranges. Let them chase... a mirage in the desert, a mirage in the desert, the heat is so heart-stopping...
  67. -1
    31 May 2013 12: 55
    “is a medium (high) range system”, the author is a “nerd”... before writing articles, understand the classification of air defense systems and air defense systems. What does high mean?
  68. yacht
    +1
    31 May 2013 13: 54
    There are a lot of unknowns with the supply of S-300. So did they install it or not? In the interview itself, this statement seems to be missing, this information is only available in the newspapers preceding the interview, so it’s not clear how everything really is. And Western intelligence services, which closely monitor Syria, do not confirm deliveries.
    Another point, although the Syrians were trained on the S-300, it is clear that at first our specialists will operate the complexes. And here the question arises: are the Syrians capable of creating an impregnable security zone for these complexes? There is no doubt that various kinds of saboteurs and militants will try to destroy them, so to speak, on the ground. I don’t want our guys to come under attack.
  69. theodorh
    0
    31 May 2013 14: 16
    If this is true, it will be interesting to see how Israel will behave. Will they decide on the next military act?
  70. +4
    31 May 2013 14: 16
    Quote: professor
    Plus you. good I especially liked the horror story about another wunderfaf with a warhead of 500 kg capable of destroying "the entire military infrastructure", etc.

    That's what you're fussing about? Do you want to seem cooler than everyone else? Your false aggression is fueled solely by the desire to bleed, to be the one and only winner, you have never fought one-on-one with a serious enemy, you always act proactively and you don’t care about how much evil you bring to those who never intended anything bad for you. You always come up with the most vile things about everyone, while immediately treating everyone about your eternal persecution (although no one actually does this), about how everyone always insults you (for a reason), how the Germans spread rot on you. Yes, the whole world hates you, I don’t understand how you can live with this? Are you pleased that they talk about you (the truth) as great deceivers? Why???? You have your own country, no one attacks you, you always only provoke everyone to retaliate!
    1. -2
      31 May 2013 14: 57
      Quote: afire
      you have never fought one on one with a serious enemy,

      Learn the history of the Arab-Israeli wars, the qualitative and quantitative composition of equipment and drugs, and only then spread your ignorance to the whole world.
      1. +1
        31 May 2013 15: 06
        no, he’s starting to make fun of me) the guy speaks with all seriousness about their (Jewish) past military “merits”!
        If only one of my paragraphs was quoted, then it turns out that you do not argue with the rest and agree?
  71. +6
    31 May 2013 14: 39
    Honestly, I read all the comments up to this point, I realized that Israel, in the person of the guys present here (Professor and Co.) are definitely not afraid of the Syrian S-300s (even with our calculations, military advisers, etc.), I firmly “believed” to them that their country will destroy these complexes in 5 minutes (maybe even faster), in short, everything with the S-300 is clear and explained beyond belief, including on this site. But I would like to hear the comments of our Jewish friends regarding the statement of one of their prominent politicians that they will begin to sink Russian warships if they find out that they are transporting weapons to Assad. From your point of view, what are the possible options for the development of such events? And also, how long do you think after this kind of event (I mean the option in which the Jews really risk attacking a Russian warship) will the independent State of Israel exist and will these minutes be enough for you to once again leave the country where you live?
    Professor, please comment if you don’t mind.
  72. +1
    31 May 2013 14: 42
    The main thing is that Assad manages to preserve them until real use.
  73. nikolayur
    +1
    31 May 2013 15: 11
    Let's wait and see how it will be. I think it won't be long now
  74. -8
    31 May 2013 15: 32
    Quote: Dima190579
    I would like to see at least with one eye how the S-300 will beat the crap out of NATO and Israel. Well, very interesting.

    Delivering the systems to Assad today means disgracing yourself and the creators of the S-300. NATO members will exemplarily destroy six "three hundredths" without losses on their part, causing irreparable damage to the image of the Russian military-industrial complex.

    Learn to look at things realistically - the US Air Force does not "fly reconnaissance with the help of the Tu-22M." Americans and Jews know how to hack serious air defense systems and practice such tasks every day.

    There are special aircraft for detecting and classifying air defense systems (Google: RC-135W Rivit Joint - there are no analogues in Russia)

    There are jammers and electronic warfare aircraft: EC-130H, EA-18G, EA-6B - The Russian Air Force has nothing like this, we fly Tu-22M for reconnaissance

    There are groups for overcoming air defense "Wild Weasels" - F-16CJ, the main weapon is THOUSANDS of AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles

    There are helicopter groups to overcome air defense lines and destroy anti-aircraft missile positions - AH-64D Apache Longbow

    Hundreds of sea-launched cruise missiles "Tomahawk"

    Drones, ground special forces groups (remember how the Jews stole the Soviet radar Operation Rooster-53, 1969), space reconnaissance systems... there’s not even anything to say here - NATO will exemplarily destroy the S-300 without losses on its part

    NATO doesn’t even need to invade the S-300’s kill zone; they crush the air defense without entering the air defense missile zone. How is this possible? All you have to do is open a 9th grade physics textbook - The Earth is round. Radio waves travel RIGHT LINEAR

    Stories about how the S-300 will shoot down targets at a range of 200...300 km - this only applies to objects in the upper layers of the atmosphere. The air defense system DOES NOT and cannot see low-flying targets, because this fundamental laws of nature.
    1. -7
      31 May 2013 15: 44
      Finally a balanced (though not the only) comment here. I'm afraid that you are singing to the deaf.
    2. +2
      31 May 2013 15: 46
      in general, I agree... Regarding the horizon line: if a missile defense system uses active homing at the final part of the trajectory, then it doesn’t care whether the target is beyond the horizon or not. The only question is detecting the target using radar.
    3. yacht
      +3
      31 May 2013 15: 48
      You described everything great! Clever! Erudite! Just please answer one question: why are the “friends of Syria” and Israel so hysterical about the supply of these systems to Syria? Judging by your description, there shouldn’t be any reason for that. You probably know much more about the possibilities of suppressing these complexes than the Israeli military leadership? So tell them, otherwise they are already annoying with their hysterics.
      1. -4
        31 May 2013 16: 04
        Quote: yacht
        Just please answer one question: why are the “friends of Syria” and Israel so hysterical about the supply of these systems to Syria? Judging by your description, there shouldn’t be any reason for that.

        There is only one reason - who needs extra costs, effort and extra risk?

        The cost of AGM-88 HARM is more than $300 thousand.
        Tomahawk Block IV - $2 million

        The S-300 is a serious weapon. The presence of "three hundred" in Syria will lead to a huge overexpenditure of ammunition and intense (and therefore expensive) work of aviation.
        Otherwise, everything is correct - NATO troops will suppress six complexes like puppies, without losses on their part

        True, it is possible that the systems will be destroyed even before entering combat duty - by ground groups of Jewish special forces (Shaket detachment's raid on an Egyptian airfield, 1966 EMNIP Jews at that time blew up 120 planes)

        I hope this does not happen. However, if they are delivered to Syria, we know how to proceed.
        - Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Yalon, May 2013

        Do you know what kind of airplane it is?
        1. yacht
          +3
          31 May 2013 16: 47
          I don’t know what kind of plane it is, I’m guessing it’s one of the electronic warfare planes.
          What Israel Can Suppress such a number of S-300, I have no doubt, but the fact that Israel can do without losses and it’s just a matter of monetary costs is pure propaganda. What the Israeli generals are afraid of is not monetary losses.

          Former commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force, Army General Anatoly Kornukov, whose opinion is quoted by Interfax, said that Syria will need 10-12 divisions of S-300 systems to fully protect its territory from air attack. He is convinced that the presence of such a potential will make it almost impossible to create a no-fly zone over Syria.

          Then Syria will be able to introduce a no-fly zone over Israeli territory - just a joke, don’t be afraid.
          1. 0
            1 June 2013 14: 02
            That is, in your opinion, Russia should stick its finger in... and watch how the “cool” people mock Syria? your cowardice touches
    4. MG42
      +4
      31 May 2013 16: 46
      The picture is somewhat straightforward, another thing is the terrain = mountains. The c-300 can work on low-flying targets from 25 meters, the curvature of the earth is 12,5 cm per 1 km...
      1. -3
        31 May 2013 17: 27
        Don't forget about the Golan Heights.
    5. -1
      31 May 2013 17: 04
      What a terrible lack of competence. No one wants to comment on this nonsense. So I apologize, does everyone have such a level of knowledge?
    6. +1
      31 May 2013 18: 20
      Agree to all 100
    7. Kirgudum
      +5
      31 May 2013 19: 19
      How smart you are, it’s breathtaking.

      But there is one caveat:

      1. Such a thing is a long-wave over-the-horizon location.
      2. For shorter waves - yes, they do not see low-flying objects. But these objects also DO NOT SEE THE GOAL. They can only ASSUME that this target is there. But it’s one thing to bomb a chicken coop in Syria, and another thing to have an S-300 covered by all the rules with medium- and short-range air defense systems, with several spare positions, each position equipped with DOZENS of corner reflectors and radar radiation simulators - by the way, anti-radar systems are still did not learn to distinguish the radiation of the simulators from the radiation of the S-300 radar. In addition, the radar can be turned off and moved to the side - and the inertial guidance of the anti-radar crap costing hundreds of thousands of dollars will gently smack it where this radar recently stood, or at best will smash the emitter or corner reflector (a piece of iron costing a couple of dollars) , for this purpose and left.
      Or do you consider the S-300 developers and Russian specialists complete suckers, and yourself a great expert? You know, if everything were so simple, Israel and others would not have become hysterical over the delivery of the S-300 to Syria.
      1. +1
        31 May 2013 23: 07
        Quote: Kirgudum
        1. Such a thing is a long-wave over-the-horizon location.

        Antenna measuring several kilometers (pictured)
        In addition, she suffers from farsightedness - she cannot see anything closer than 500 km
        Quote: Kirgudum
        But these objects also DO NOT SEE THE GOAL.

        And they don't need it

        Strike groups receive information about radiation sources from RC-135s flying hundreds of kilometers from the Syrian border, in the airspace of Turkey, Iraq and Israel. All that remains is to go at low speed to the launch area and shoot the homing anti-radar missiles. THOUSANDS of AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles

        The F-16CJ "Wild Weasels" themselves remain out of sight of the S-300 radar
    8. 0
      31 May 2013 23: 21
      Well, apparently, it’s not so simple since the Americans are afraid of the S-300, even on their TV channels they say ayyyy how bad the Russians want to deliver the S-300 to Syria, of course, if there are few S-300 complexes and there are few radars and, accordingly, the coverage area is small then a few weather complexes will not make a difference, but I think they can snatch sensitive answers from Syria and there is no need to be afraid for their reputation, no matter what miracle weapon there is, it is not weapons that fight, but people.
  75. KENTAVROS
    +6
    31 May 2013 15: 54
    God bless Russia and Putin
  76. olviko
    0
    31 May 2013 16: 02
    Quote: Andrey57
    Well, yes, it’s probably from a great mind that the Israeli clown in the chair of the Minister of Defense on Wednesday agreed to the point that he would threaten a blow to the Russian BDK in the Mediterranean, if they try to bring C-300, the GDP didn’t even dream of such a gift, probably there was a reason, in the style of the Gulf of Tonkin, laughing

    Agree . After Israel armed that devil Saakashvili and became an accomplice in the murder of our peacekeepers in South Ossetia, Putin has long been itching to collect a debt from the Jews, now with Israeli blood. As they say, revenge is a dish best served cold. Apparently the moment had come, the dish had cooled down.
    1. -6
      31 May 2013 16: 12
      Quote: olviko
      Agree . After Israel armed that devil Saakashvili and became an accomplice in the murder of our peacekeepers in South Ossetia, Putin has long been itching to collect a debt from the Jews, now with Israeli blood. As they say, revenge is a dish best served cold. Apparently the moment had come, the dish had cooled down.

      Even if Israel supplied Mishiko with $10 billion worth of weapons and 10 thousand Israeli fighters, even this would not compare to how much Israeli blood was shed by “yours.” So I don’t advise you not to even start counting who owes whom.
      1. +2
        1 June 2013 06: 34
        Quote: professor
        comparison of how much Israeli blood was shed by “yours”
        And if you count how much blood your...
        1. -3
          1 June 2013 07: 50
          Quote: Denis
          And if you count how much blood your...

          List in the studio.
          1. +1
            1 June 2013 12: 31
            Quote: professor
            List in the studio.

            That mournful list is huge
            there is another
            1. ULYANOV, Vladimir Ilyich (Lenin);
            2. SULISHVILI, David Sokratovich;
            3.UULYANOVA, Nadezhda Konstantinovna (Krupskaya);
            4. ARMAND, Inessa Fedorovna;
            5. SAFAROV, Georgy Ivanovich;
            6. Safarova - Martoshkina Valentina Sergeevna;
            7. Kharitonov, Moses Motkovich;
            8. KONSTANTINOVICH, Anna Evgenievna;
            9. USIEVICH, Grigory Alexandrovich;
            10. Usievich (KOH), Elena Feliksovna;
            11.RAVVICH, Sarah Naumovna;
            12. Tskhakaya, Mikhail Grigoryevich;
            13. SKOWLY, Abram Anchilovich;
            14. RADOMYSLSKY, Ovsey Gershen Aronovich; (Zinoviev);
            15. RADOMYSLSKAYA, Zlata Evnovna; (with son 5 years old)
            16. Boytsov N. (Radek KB) (Sobelson)
            17. RIVKIN, Zalman Burke Oserovich;
            18. SLYUSAREVA, Nadezhda Mikhailovna;
            19. GOBERMAN, Mikhail Vulfovich;
            20. ABRAMOVICH, May Zelikov;
            21. LINDE, Johann Arnold Johannovich;
            22. DIAMOND, Grigory Yakovlevich; (Sokolnikov);
            23. MIRINGOF, Ilya Davidovich;
            24. MIRINGOF, Maria Efimovna;
            25. ROSENBLUM, David Mordukhovich;
            26. PAYNESON, Semyon Gershovich;
            27. GREBELSKY, Fanya;
            28. POGOVSKAYA, Bunya Hemovna; (with 4's son)
            29. AIZENBUND, Meer Kivov.
            30. Rubakov (Anders).
            31. Egorov (Erich).
            What it is? Payment statement? Recording waiting lists for visiting the synagogue? No - this is a list of passengers of the very Lenin sealed train
            N.V. Starikov Who killed the Russian Empire?
            Did they drink the same amount of blood?
            1. 0
              1 June 2013 12: 41
              Quote: Denis
              Did they drink the same amount of blood?


              especially if you take into account Trotsky’s steamships, about 1000 rreeevaluationers arrived there
            2. 0
              1 June 2013 15: 37
              Do you want to say that 31 supermen of Jewish origin bent the Russian Empire and its people and kept it in a famous position for 70 years?
              1. 0
                1 June 2013 15: 59
                Well, not 31 for sure.

                and about 70 years is too much.
                (in fact, this is precisely why it is mainly people of human rights nationality who lament about Stalin’s repressions)

                but the fact remains.
                there were too many of you in the ranks of the fiery revolutionists.
                1. 0
                  1 June 2013 16: 14
                  The Russian people are not a herd of sheep to be put into a pose by some 1000 or even 10000 revolutionaries.
                  1. 0
                    1 June 2013 16: 24
                    Quote: professor
                    The Russian people are not a herd of sheep


                    ANY people are a herd.
                    I emphasize ANY!
                    the difference is only in the degree of socio/political
                    activity.

                    the most important thing is that the slogans of the “shepherds” (and I’m not saying that they were ONLY Jews) were in line with the desires of the majority.
                    announce a slogan acceptable to the majority.
                    something like “land for the peasants, factories for the workers” and they will happily follow the speaker.
                    regardless of the nationality of the leader.
                    (especially Russians, who have no xenophobia at all (well, at least before))

                    This trend can only be changed by providing objective and VERSATILE information.

                    but even in this case the correct result is not guaranteed.
        2. sem40
          0
          7 June 2013 03: 46
          but we didn’t invite you to our place. when you captured Poland, you got a Jewish population. and honestly, I don’t miss you. I just see you as enemies who enjoy seeing my people die. And therefore I’m forced to read all this nonsense. (And we don’t particularly care about Russia. It’s you who are looking for conflicts. And not only with the Jews. The whole world owes you something)
  77. 0
    31 May 2013 16: 14
    Syria has 1 wonderful way out and spits in the direction of Israel and the entire gang of watering cans. Agree with Iran and supply batteries on Iranian territory wink .Then it will be oh. The territory is not torn by war. The flight time is longer. Then Israel will wash itself with blood if it flies. And this will be a direct declaration of war on Iran if they start bombing S-300s on their territory. good
  78. +1
    31 May 2013 16: 29
    In general, in the case of Syria... it is much better for her to install 10 dot-y batteries And... frost... For a bombing or attack by the Israeli Air Force... A salvo on their territory... And their iron dome will not intercept them in principle. (although the AP is very good) And no matter how regrettable it sounds, we should warn Netanyahu that we will aim at densely populated areas (yes, this is cruel and looks like blackmail, but what can you do) And in general, Russia will already hit the table with its fist. I’m not a chauvinist or an anti-Simite, but I’m already tired of Israel with my arrogance. And everyone, including Western countries. And if Russia slams its fist, for some reason I’m almost sure that the striped ones will make some noise, but in their hearts they will be glad that someone hit their watchdog (which got out of hand).
  79. +1
    31 May 2013 16: 34
    As if, even if delivered, the Israeli special forces would not destroy these installations. There was a precedent with a radar in Sinai in the 70s, that one was finally blatantly stolen
  80. Uncle Serozha
    +3
    31 May 2013 16: 55
    Instead of jingoistic interjections, let's just quietly wish good luck to our crews and the S-300. The Israeli Air Force is a difficult opponent, as they have proven more than once. Our military experts considered the strength of the Israeli military to be their ability to impose battle on their own terms and carefully plan the operation. Their weakness is their inability to improvise, making quick decisions if something does not go according to plan.
    But in any case, boastful statements have never contributed to success, so let's try to avoid them.

    Quote: professor
    Even if Israel supplied Mishiko with $10 billion worth of weapons and 10 thousand Israeli fighters, even this would not compare to how much Israeli blood was shed by “yours”

    Professor, if we remember, then let’s remember about the millions of Soviet soldiers who laid down their lives for the sake of victory over National Socialism. How this National Socialism treated the Jews is not for me to tell you.
    As for the Jews who died from Soviet weapons in the post-war period, your ruling circles are also, to put it mildly, not angels, so you have nothing to complain about. I feel sorry for everyone who died, regardless of nationality, but they paid with their lives for Israel’s aggressive policy, and not at all for the supply of Soviet weapons to the Arabs.
    1. 0
      31 May 2013 17: 28
      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      Professor, if we remember, then let’s remember about the millions of Soviet soldiers who laid down their lives for the sake of victory over National Socialism. How this National Socialism treated the Jews is not for me to tell you.

      Honor and praise be to them.
      1. It was about the Israelis.
      2. Jews fought too
  81. Katsin
    0
    31 May 2013 17: 02
    Quote: Rus_87
    Honestly, I read all the comments up to this point, I realized that Israel, in the person of the guys present here (Professor and Co.) are definitely not afraid of the Syrian S-300s (even with our calculations, military advisers, etc.), I firmly “believed” to them that their country will destroy these complexes in 5 minutes (maybe even faster), in short, everything with the S-300 is clear and explained beyond belief, including on this site. But I would like to hear the comments of our Jewish friends regarding the statement of one of their prominent politicians that they will begin to sink Russian warships if they find out that they are transporting weapons to Assad. From your point of view, what are the possible options for the development of such events? And also, how long do you think after this kind of event (I mean the option in which the Jews really risk attacking a Russian warship) will the independent State of Israel exist and will these minutes be enough for you to once again leave the country where you live?
    Professor, please comment if you don’t mind.



    I am not a professor, but as a Russian-speaking Israeli, a reservist, a captain of tank forces, I will answer you: no minister has ever spoken about his intention to attack Russian ships. We have no intention of entering into an armed conflict with Russia. To destroy the S-300 there is no need to attack Russian ships carrying the S-300
    1. +1
      31 May 2013 19: 06
      Quote: Katsin
      I will answer you: no minister ever spoke about his intention to attack Russian ships.


      Let me not believe you.

      just type “Israeli Defense Minister threatens to attack Russian ships”
      and enjoy.
    2. AK44
      +1
      31 May 2013 22: 44
      Believe a Jew? How is it possible!?
  82. German
    +1
    31 May 2013 17: 20
    here recently there was an interesting translation from Hebrew of the combination S-300. Let me repeat it: S-300? - well, what the heck!
  83. Serafim1983
    0
    31 May 2013 17: 25
    Very good good news!!!!
  84. ed65b
    +4
    31 May 2013 18: 04
    Why are you comrades attacking the professor????? Here he alone is taking the rap for all of Israel. After all, there are people in the government who don’t do anything with their fingers, what kind of pragmatic Jewish politician wants to sink Russian ships???? Rave. It’s just that their analogue of our little fat blurted out. And the professor is a great guy and doesn’t hesitate to brush it off. I respect you, although I don’t agree with some passages.
    1. +1
      31 May 2013 18: 28
      Quote: ed65b
      And the professor is a great guy and doesn’t hesitate to brush it off. I respect you, although I don’t agree with some passages.

      In my opinion, the Professor is an analogue of our jingoistic patriots and his comments can be very biased.
      1. 0
        31 May 2013 19: 20
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        In my opinion, the Professor is an analogue of our jingoistic patriots and his comments can be very biased.

        Find at least one of my comments (I’m generally silent about my articles) where I, like a patriot, shouted that ours “has no analogues in the world,” “we will beat them down,” etc. Where have I ever stated that everything that’s ours is cool, and everything that’s someone else’s sucks?
        I am trying to analyze the situation and justify my statements. My comments may be biased since I am not a judge and I even pretend to be objective. hi
        1. +3
          31 May 2013 22: 34
          Quote: professor
          “We’ll put them down”, etc. Where have I ever stated that everything that’s ours is cool, and everything that’s someone else’s sucks?

          Yes in one. Only in other words, the meaning of which boils down to one thing: We don’t give a fuck... They bombed and will continue to bomb. Assad is bad, period. But Israel cannot understand that if you set fire to your neighbor’s house, even if you have fallen out with him, then the fire can spread to your house and others.
          1. -2
            1 June 2013 07: 53
            Quote: lewerlin53rus
            Yes in one.

            Examples in the studio.

            Quote: lewerlin53rus
            But Israel cannot understand that if you set fire to your neighbor’s house, even if you have fallen out with him, then the fire can spread to your house and others.

            This neighbor has been throwing Molotov cocktails at Israel since 1948, and his house has been on fire for 2 years through no fault of Israel.
    2. -3
      1 June 2013 00: 02
      Quote: ed65b
      Here he alone is taking the rap for all of Israel.

      Yeah =(... I also have something to say, but the stupid system of shoulder straps... My “fans” push all comments into the minus, even if it’s a stupid emoticon. And at the moment I can write 12 comments a day =)
      1. GG2012
        -1
        1 June 2013 01: 28
        Quote: Rumata
        Yeah =

        OOO! Hello! Rumatych!
        Your “passing emoticon” reminded me of your origins!
        Hello Papa Karla! And do not abuse the plane during manual labor!
  85. +6
    31 May 2013 18: 26
    Fluffy, innocently suffering Israel.
    1. -3
      31 May 2013 19: 23
      1948 - Arabs attacked Israel and lost territory.
      1967 - Arabs attacked Israel and lost territory.
      1973 - Arabs attacked Israel and lost territory.
      Will you provide links or will you take my word for it?
      1. +6
        31 May 2013 22: 42
        Well, yes, the Poles attacked Germany in 39. Provocations have not yet been canceled.
        1. -1
          1 June 2013 07: 57
          Logic worth 2 points. In your opinion, Kaliningrad fell to the USSR because the USSR attacked Germany or committed a provocation?
          By the way, could you enlighten me in more detail about the Israeli provocations in 1948, 1967, 1973, the years under discussion?

          PS
          I see you are a fan of cheap demotivators, should I post real photos of Arab atrocities? I can from Chechnya or Israel.
          1. +1
            1 June 2013 08: 23
            The logic is normal and there is no need to attract Kaliningrad here. We didn’t get it as a result of a cheap provocation. Everyone there is good in your Middle Eastern viper. I’m not whitewashing the Arabs. But it wouldn’t hurt to ask Israel either. You can dig up as many photos of atrocities on the Internet as you like. And not just Arabs. I’m just wondering why the Jews are helping not just Arabs, but terrorist rabble, to fight against other Arabs. Or do you think that having crushed Assad, they will not take on you? Or are you just stupidly hoping for help from your owners?
            1. -1
              1 June 2013 08: 37
              Quote: lewerlin53rus
              By the way, could you enlighten me in more detail about the Israeli provocations in 1948, 1967, 1973, the years under discussion?

              Forward.

              Quote: lewerlin53rus
              I’m just wondering why the Jews are helping not just Arabs, but terrorist rabble, to fight against other Arabs.

              A link about Israeli assistance to terrorists in the studio.
              1. 0
                1 June 2013 10: 03
                Quote: professor
                A link about Israeli assistance to terrorists in the studio.

                At least an Israeli air raid on Syria. Isn’t this helping terrorists? You will find the links yourself, Google will help.
                And provocations are provocations. The entire policy of Israel is a complete provocation. And not the people of Israel, but the owners of their rulers. Look for who benefits from all this, that’s where your legs grow
                1. +1
                  1 June 2013 10: 12
                  Quote: lewerlin53rus
                  You will find the links yourself, Google will help.

                  Those are not the words of a boy, but of a husband.

                  Quote: lewerlin53rus
                  And provocations are provocations. The entire policy of Israel is a complete provocation. And not the people of Israel, but the owners of their rulers. Look for who benefits from all this, that’s where your legs grow

                  Again, unsubstantiated fabrications. Give at least one example.
                  1. 0
                    1 June 2013 10: 21
                    Don’t start demagoguery - the question is about the raid - for which the terrorists expressed gratitude - and not about Google.
                    And regarding provocations, let me once again remind you of the film on channel 24DOC by a Jew, a former TsFHAL soldier, who became ashamed of pinching the Palestinians, which showed how Jewish CHILDREN throw stones at Palestinian women - there is an IDF army nearby, which does not allow them to defend themselves, but leaves them with one choice -either endure or leave.
                    If you now say that this is speculation and provide a link, then, I apologize, I will interrupt communication with the trolls.
                    Thank you for attention.
                    1. -1
                      1 June 2013 10: 28
                      Quote: mirag2
                      If you now say that this is speculation and provide a link, then, I apologize, I will interrupt communication with the trolls.

                      As soon as they caught you in a lie, they switched to personalities - a typical technique.
                      1. 0
                        1 June 2013 10: 52
                        Where did you, I wonder, catch me in a lie? Link, please!
                      2. 0
                        1 June 2013 11: 16
                        Well, yes, the Poles attacked Germany in 39. Provocations have not yet been canceled.

                        By the way, could you enlighten me in more detail about the Israeli provocations in 1948, 1967, 1973, the years under discussion?
                        Let's start with your lies about alleged provocations. Can you confirm these fantasies?

                        Yes, because I’m tired of every comment I make. look for links for you.

                        It was formulated incorrectly, it should have been correct like this: Yes, because I got tired of each of my inventions. look for links for you.

                        Although you know perfectly well that if you want, I will find you a link.

                        Let's move from words to action. I am waiting for a link about Israeli provocations that led to wars that led to the loss of territories by the Arabs.
                      3. 0
                        1 June 2013 11: 01
                        Why did I say that I don’t communicate with trolls? Yes, because I’m tired of every comment I make. look for links for you. I think that you also understood this, but instead you claim that you caught me in a lie. Although you know very well that if you want, I will find you a link. Or do you want to prove that you are right based on my lack of communication . links? This is funny. Because I will NEVER say a PREGNANCY. And I assume the same from my interlocutors - “by default”. Well, the person said correctly - “where is the evidence that Assad paid for the terrorist attack?” - after all, at first he did not demand links from you, or do you need a link to this comment now?
  86. +2
    31 May 2013 18: 35
    Putin is great, he did not make concessions to NATO, in short, respect to him. Syria democratization is temporarily unavailable.
  87. +3
    31 May 2013 19: 25
    Good evening everyone. I have a question for the professor. Judging by your numerous statements here, everything is generally good with you (Israel). You have no rivals in the region and there is no one to harm you. S-300 is so... nothing in general and you can easily deal with this “mosquito bite”! So why be so nervous? Why go to Moscow (I mean your government officials)?
    Quote: professor
    Finally a balanced (though not the only) comment here. I'm afraid that you are singing to the deaf.

    Question two, judging by this and not only your comment, as well as by your hopelessly negative rating, they don’t like you here, to put it mildly, and you pay in kind, what are you even doing here?
    1. +1
      31 May 2013 19: 38
      Quote: Oper
      I have a question for the professor. Judging by your numerous statements here, everything is generally good with you (Israel). You have no rivals in the region and there is no one to harm you. S-300 is so... nothing in general and you can easily deal with this “mosquito bite”! So why be so nervous? Why go to Moscow (I mean your government officials)?

      I'll say it again. For the first time since the founding of Israel, its existence is not threatened by any army or any army combined. The S-300 is annoying the government (not the people, the people are annoying the Grads) because they can fall into the wrong hands and shoot down, for example, a Boeing 747 with 5 hundred people on board. In military terms, the S-300, and even the large quantities of which they are supplied to Assad, will not do much good. For the sake of saving 500 citizens, even hypothetically, was it worth going to Sochi? In fact, no one knows what they were talking about.

      Quote: Oper
      and also according to your hopelessly negative rating, they don’t like you here, to put it mildly, and you pay in kind, what are you even doing here?

      This rating is for pioneers in the lightning. I'm not interested in him. It's very easy to earn it. Write urapatriotic short slogans about “geyrpa”, “pindosia”, etc. and you are among the marshals. peace of cake. What am I doing here? It’s clear that I’m earning money from the CIA, Mossad and MI6.
      1. 0
        1 June 2013 10: 36
        I wanted to go out, there is not the slightest opportunity to waste time looking for evidence almost from intelligence. You can’t kill the sources with a whip. But it made me laugh about the money of the CIA and MOSSAD. Then I’ll ask another serious question - what do you say to this: Do you think, i.e. State Israel thinks (otherwise you will tell me, give me a link, what I (you) think about this) that the S-300 MAY FALL INTO BAD HANDS, which is fraught with a threat to Israel. So, bad hands are not the hands of state Syria? Right? Then the bad hands of today’s enemy of the Syrian government, i.e. hordes of rebels, which means Syria, not being bad hands, has the right to protection, just as Israel has the right to protection. So what is the question?
        1. 0
          1 June 2013 10: 51
          Quote: mirag2
          Then I’ll ask another serious question: what do you say to this: Do you think, i.e. State Israel thinks (otherwise you will tell me give me a link what I (you) think about this) that the S-300 MAY FALL INTO THE BAD HANDS, which is fraught with a threat to Israel. So, bad hands are not the hands of state Syria?

          Bad Hands is the terrorist organization Hezbollah. That's clearer?
          1. 0
            1 June 2013 11: 03
            Thank you. I see. Isn’t the S-300 supplied under some kind of guarantee that it will not be transferred to another party? I think that’s true. No?
  88. 0
    31 May 2013 19: 26
    A reliable stranglehold has appeared for the “democratic” bombers and “democratic” bombs and missiles of the USA and NATO. But the Syrians themselves cannot cope with these tasks. We need advisers, just like during Vietnam. Then everything will be fine. The Syrians will be entrusted with the responsibility of guarding and defending these facilities. The “democrats” will not calm down. The defense of these facilities is urgently needed
  89. KononAV
    +2
    31 May 2013 19: 27
    the snakes began to move
  90. 0
    31 May 2013 20: 08
    Quote: professor
    In military terms, the S-300, and even the large quantities of which they are supplied to Assad, will not do much good. For the sake of saving 500 citizens, even hypothetically, was it worth going to Sochi?

    This is not even for the pioneers, the Octobrists would have their eyes wide open!!! Judging by such statements, your government officials should not leave their business trips at all!
    Quote: professor
    What am I doing here? It is clear that I am earning money from the CIA, Mossad and Mi6.

    You do a very mediocre job. Primitive! If the Israeli Air Force is as professional as the Mossad, the S-300 agents may not be useful to the Syrians.
    Okay, what a waste of time. I'll go read the book to my daughter.
    1. -1
      31 May 2013 20: 12
      Read books - it's useful. hi
  91. +4
    31 May 2013 20: 48
    TASS is authorized to announce! The government of the Russian Federation, in strict accordance with INTERNATIONAL LAW, fulfilling previously signed contracts with the government of the Syrian Arab Republic, supplied S-300 defensive anti-aircraft systems to protect the country from an external aggressor. In accordance with previously reached agreements, Russian military specialists will provide assistance in servicing the complexes. The Government of the Russian Federation draws the attention of other countries that any attempt to create a threat to the security of its citizens will be considered as a clearly unfriendly act, which gives Russia the right to use all available means, including military ones, to protect its citizens in whatever area of ​​the world they are located!
    1. Katsin
      -1
      1 June 2013 09: 58
      that's wonderful! Then Russia, protecting a million of its citizens in Israel, will destroy Hezbollah and the “peaceful Iranian atom”...
      1. 0
        1 June 2013 11: 05
        Are there a million people with dual citizenship in Israel?
        1. -1
          1 June 2013 11: 16
          Quote: mirag2
          Are there a million people with dual citizenship in Israel?


          More than 400t. citizens of Russia. And if you take Ukraine and Belarus - almost a million. But I’m not sure that Belarus recognizes dual citizenship.
  92. Penachet
    0
    31 May 2013 20: 49
    Quote: Penachet
    Stop bragging, grab your leg, we are talking about war. You Jewish guy, do you even understand what war is? You are protected by the ud-s, the whole history, everyone and everything you can think of (you're good at driving), weapons, damn banks, all sorts of Moses. Why, so simple? Should I put the children and women to bed? What the hell was Buchenwald for? Haven't learned yet? Warriors x-you.....Put on the dome of the winner, cartoon.....

    Well, who downvoted? The answer to the question has not been given. Please justify it.
  93. 0
    31 May 2013 21: 21
    Quote: Toit
    Quote: Kirgudum
    See Who Israel Helps - Wahhabi

    Wahhabism is the Shiite trend of Islam, the obvious representatives of the Shiites are Iran, Hezbollah, with a stretch you can write down the Assad Alawites.
    That is, according to your Israel helps Assad ???? !!!! Bravo!!!

    Let it be known to you that Wahhabism comes from Saudi Arabia, what does Assad have to do with it? Our Wahhabis are not going to Syria to cloud their brains...
  94. +1
    31 May 2013 22: 43
    On Monday, Putin announced sudden exercises, and on Tuesday and Wednesday he showed everyone how effective the S-300 can be, and on Thursday the first batch was already in Syria))) I think there are much fewer people willing to fly over the Syrian sky. But it would be possible to first shoot down a stray (from the same Israel), and then announce its presence.
  95. GEO
    GEO
    +3
    31 May 2013 23: 16
    Quote: asbaev
    That's because of such professors and persecution of the Jewish people. Several of these professors are provocateurs, and a whole nation is tormented

    Learn history. 90% of the people there are like that. Think about it, why practically no one in the world likes them? They themselves say that because they are painfully smart... Yeah... If you have a smart neighbor living in your building, how do you treat him? How about the cunning neighbor? That's the same... And you are a professor, professor... Now on all Russian-language sites such prahfesars sit - monitor and troll...
    1. +3
      31 May 2013 23: 26
      Quote: GEO
      Quote: asbaev
      That's because of such professors and persecution of the Jewish people. Several of these professors are provocateurs, and a whole nation is tormented

      Learn history. 90% of the people there are like that.
      By any chance, have you read Goebbels? It's very similar. In general, some community of people prevents all losers and quitters from living their lives - some are Jews, some are Caucasians, some are cyclists, some are redheads...
    2. GG2012
      -1
      1 June 2013 01: 45
      Quote: GEO
      Think about it, why practically no one in the world likes them?

      Source: http://warfiles.ru/show-31896-administraciya-obamy-oficialno-priznala-evreyskiy-
      zagovor.html
      That's strange! Why don't people like those who spread homosexuality in the world?
    3. 0
      1 June 2013 07: 59
      Quote: GEO
      Think about it, why practically no one in the world likes them?

      Listen, young man. Where are you loved? In the Baltics, the Caucasus, Central Asia or Europe? fool
  96. GEO
    GEO
    +2
    31 May 2013 23: 25
    Quote: Oper
    Good evening everyone. I have a question for the professor. Judging by your numerous statements here, everything is generally good with you (Israel). You have no rivals in the region and there is no one to harm you. S-300 is so... nothing in general and you can easily deal with this “mosquito bite”! So why be so nervous? Why go to Moscow (I mean your government officials)?
    Quote: professor
    Finally a balanced (though not the only) comment here. I'm afraid that you are singing to the deaf.

    Question two, judging by this and not only your comment, as well as by your hopelessly negative rating, they don’t like you here, to put it mildly, and you pay in kind, What are you doing here anyway?

    He, like many of his fellow tribesmen on similar sites, monitors the situation... That's why he endures all the shit that is deservedly poured on him here. You are all officers here, think about it...
  97. ed65b
    -3
    31 May 2013 23: 57
    Hang on, professor, hang on.
  98. -1
    1 June 2013 00: 13
    Quote: FOX.
    That nonsense that you spew?

    In fact, you are talking nonsense. I am surprised at the patience of the Professor, who is trying to explain very simple things to you, despite the fact that you are not reading carefully. The Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer.

    You wrote something stupid to the open mind, they pointed it out to you, and explained without rudeness where you made a mistake. In response, the proud “officer” got personal.
    Explain how you will hit Tel Aviv with direct fire, and why the distance from the border to Damascus is a priori equal to the distance from the border to Tel Aviv (this means that the distance from point A to point B is earlier than the distance from Point B to point A ...forgetting that our capital is point C). Using this “direct fire” logic, Assad will be able to fire at the fortifications on the border, and here the capital...
    Z.Y
    Here it is
    Quote: FOX.
    I will not say that I am disappointed, but the news that Israel "is not and will not be" would give me even greater joy.

    comment from the “Russian officer”? How glad I am that most of the Russian officers from the forum participants are much more adequate than you...
    1. GG2012
      -1
      1 June 2013 01: 49
      Quote: Rumata
      I'm so glad...
  99. GEO
    GEO
    0
    1 June 2013 00: 16
    Quote: Rumata
    Quote: FOX.
    That nonsense that you spew?

    In fact, you are talking nonsense. I am surprised at the patience of the Professor, who is trying to explain very simple things to you, despite the fact that you are not reading carefully. The Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer.

    You wrote something stupid to the open mind, they pointed it out to you, and explained without rudeness where you made a mistake. In response, the proud “officer” got personal.
    Explain how you will hit Tel Aviv with direct fire, and why the distance from the border to Damascus is a priori equal to the distance from the border to Tel Aviv (this means that the distance from point A to point B is earlier than the distance from Point B to point A... forgetting that our capital is point C). Using this “direct fire” logic, Assad will be able to fire at the fortifications on the border, and here the capital...

    Why explain? Now theory is slowly turning into practice... You'll see...
  100. xan
    +2
    1 June 2013 00: 37
    I think that the delivery of S-300 to Syria is useful from all sides
    And even if it is destroyed, and this must be made extremely difficult, this ultimately can only strengthen Russian air defense itself. Russia needs the most combat-ready, deeply echeloned air defense. Well, UAVs and kamikaze drones are against baboons who have neither air defense nor aviation.
    True, there is a minus - Syria is not Russia, 100 km is already a lot, you can test everything and strike practically from abroad.