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C-300 - think about democratizing Syria three hundred times

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The closer the so-called peace conference on Syria, which will be held in Geneva, Switzerland, the more heated the situation around Syria itself. One gets the impression that the fairly protracted civil war in the Syrian Arab Republic, like a “ripening” boil on the body, is about to burst and reveal all its true contents. This is indirectly confirmed by the activization of various political and near-political forces whose activities, one way or another, relate to the situation in the Middle East.


C-300 - think about democratizing Syria three hundred times


Not so long ago, the Russian president was literally attacked by foreign "partners" with his visits. The American delegation, the British, then the Israeli. Making the effort, the heads of the delegations smiled crookedly and tried to keep a calm look, which, however, not all and not always succeeded. Obviously, the main message of those visits to Russia is the desire to convince Vladimir Putin that he refuse to support the current Syrian authorities. And most importantly, he refused to supply the C-300 ZRS to Syria, otherwise these same systems will obviously interfere with the "democratization" of the country under the strict guidance of the United States, Great Britain, Israel and other global democrats of our time.
“Vladimir, my friend, maybe you don’t need it ...” - this is an approximate translation of those appeals from the above delegates to the Russian president during their visits to Russia and negotiations with Putin.

“It’s necessary, Benny, it’s necessary!” - Vladimir Putin’s exemplary answer to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who had already decided to “test” the Syrian air defense a couple of times with his planes, and found out that without the Russian C-300, this defense of “democratization” lends itself quite easily .

And on Thursday, Syrian President Assad, during an interview with Al-Manar (a Lebanese television station), stated that Syria had already received the first batch of C-300 SAMs from Russia, and after a while the remaining party would also arrive in the country. These words of Bashar al-Assad quickly dispersed on the Web with the help of Lebanese, Syrian and Israeli publications and television channels. If you believe Assad, then Putin’s message in the form of “We must, Benya, it is necessary!” Has worked, and now with the announcement of the no-fly zone over Syria there will be no particular problems for Assad himself. Well, in the sense that as soon as in the sky over a country engulfed in civil war and under attack by radicals of all stripes, some kind of “flying” F-16 appears, then a system capable of hitting aerodynamic targets at altitudes up to 27 km and at a distance of 150 km, this board will land quite effectively ... Forcing to land (at least in parts), if you like ...

One can imagine how this fact was "delighted" by Israeli, American and other "friends" of Syria. At the same time, violent "joy" was demonstrated even before the start of deliveries. For example, two Israeli ministers dispersed in earnest, stating that Israel knows what to do if C-300 are delivered to Syria. These ministers are Moshe Ya'alon (Minister of Defense) and Yuval Steinitz (Minister for Intelligence and Strategic Planning). But they knew “before” ... And now what? Now, something like C-300 is in the hands of Syrian government troops, if this is, of course, not a big disinformation, launched to achieve certain goals ... And if so, what will Mr. Yaalon start doing the same? If he is well acquainted with the characteristics of the Russian modernized C-300 ZRS, then the only option here is something like this: urgently go to the Wailing Wall and “own sorrow” about this to quench ...

It is worth recalling that the C-300PM air defense missile system, which is about deliveries in Syria and was in Russian-Syrian contracts, is a system of medium (long) range. The number of targets fired is 6, followed by targets is 12. The complex consists of 48 rockets capable of hitting targets at a speed of about 1800 m / s. To deploy the complex takes no more than five minutes. The rocket in use is 48H6, having a length of 7,5 m and a diameter of 0,519 m. The warhead of a rocket weighs about 145 kg. Today such a defensive weapons In addition to the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Greece, and China possess; Moreover, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Greece are NATO countries.

Interestingly, the words of Assad that the first batch of Russian C-300 came to Syria were published immediately after the information appeared about the intention of EU officials to lift the embargo on the supply of arms to Syria. The authorities of individual EU countries can get the opportunity to supply weapons to Syrian militants unilaterally without the need to coordinate such supplies directly with the EU authorities. The term of the embargo ends on May 31, and after that, the EU states alone may be able to transfer arms to the Syrian “opposition” directly. The embargo, reportedly, could be extended and all EU members without exception would be obliged to comply with it, but only in the EU does the horror story about the use of chemical weapons in Syria continue. Needless to say, it is the Syrian government forces that are able to use weapons of mass destruction in Brussels. The fact that this was done as an obvious provocation by radical Islamists is out of the question, although the evidence base is more than convincing.

Is it worth being killed about the fact that now even Europeans can directly get an opportunity to provide support to Syrian extremists? It would be possible to get killed if Syrian militants had not received any help before. But the presence of Western (plus Turkish, Israeli, Qatari) small arms, armored vehicles, equipment, MANPADS, mines, communications and navigation systems suggests that all this fussing with the embargo is nothing more than fuss. The embargo was only a cover for the Western world (well, the EU, at least) to cover up the illegal supply of weapons to the radicals in Syria. Like, look - we don’t deliver any weapons to the Syrian government forces, which means we are keeping the embargo .. But, excuse me, we didn’t wait for, for example, the British suddenly began to deliver weapons to the Assad troops ...

And if now the observance of the embargo on individual EU countries does not apply, then the EU finally signs off in a desire to support a motley crowd of extremists in Syria. Again to support extremists ... And yet this is already something that clearly resembles frank sadomasochism. At a time when European countries themselves are suffering from rising radical Islamist sentiments, when extremists allow themselves to keep in fear entire urban areas of the cities of the once calm old Europe, European leaders are ready to support Syrian militants with all their might. The disease is serious and requires effective treatment ...

But if the European leaders are not friendly with the head, then what about the Israeli authorities, who are going to solve the Syrian issue in the same way? One gets the impression that Israel wants to receive at its side another pseudo-state in which radical sentiments will reign that can ultimately spill over against Israel itself. If there is little Palestine, infinitely revolutionary Egypt, and if there is a desire to be in the tight circle of "friends" from among the radical Islamists with the elevation of this to the degree of chaos, carnage and clan fighting (as in Libya, for example), then Israel can only wish: forward and with a song! .. If the head on the shoulders of Israeli politicians has remained, then it is time to reconsider its policy towards the current Syrian authorities. At the very least, Netanyahu managed to besiege Minister Ya'alon, from his office, saying that he bit his tongue about Israel’s determination to solve the Syrian issue now. What is it? A glimpse of reason or a banal reassurance related to the advent of Russian C-300 in Syria? The second in this situation looks more likely ... Well, if there is no gray matter of its own, then C-300 adds it.

By the way, all the lamentations of the West and its allies about Russia's supply of S-300 to Syria, generally speaking, are unreasonable. ZRS-300 - a weapon of clearly defensive nature. And when you consider that the Syrian "opposition" has aviation no, but, therefore, it is difficult to use these complexes against it (the “opposition”), then the West, together with Israel, gives itself off with all its giblets. Between the lines regarding the American (European and Israeli) concern about the Russian supply of anti-aircraft missile systems reads: “Putin, what have you done! We already wanted to send our bombers to the skies above Syria, and you ... "Well, in words: wai-wai-wai - support for an authoritarian system, wai-wai-wai - axis of evil, wai-wai-wai - opposition to democracy ...

Yes, we heard all this already. Has got it already! Not impressive. And if they want to talk about it, then let them talk with our C-300 - heart to heart ... Maybe those foolish ones will beat out ...
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  1. Dima190579
    Dima190579 31 May 2013 07: 54 New
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    Oh, God forbid, of course, but I would like to see with just one eye how C-300 will be foolish of NATO and Israel. Well, very interesting.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 08: 04 New
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      Quote: Dima190579
      but I would like to see how the S-300 will be out of NATO and Israel and they will knock out nonsense at least with one eye.

      Everything will depend on who will sit at the complexes, if the Syrians, then I have no confidence in the success. Yes, and it’s not clear where the complexes are now, in Syria or not.
      1. belij
        belij 31 May 2013 08: 26 New
        32
        I recently read on the site that it seems like our advisers will go again. Such weapons systems cannot be left just like that. They have already been burned more than once during the Arab-Israeli conflicts.
        1. Andrey57
          Andrey57 31 May 2013 09: 06 New
          30
          Our specialists are already there. And the Syrian calculations of officers for almost a year weaned from us
          1. Che
            Che 31 May 2013 18: 08 New
            +3
            When enemy aircraft raids, you must fight and not pray on the rug. If so, then success is guaranteed. I hope that under the conditions of intervention in Syria, the army will act accordingly.
            1. воронов
              воронов 1 June 2013 22: 26 New
              +4
              In the 7 century, during the period of conquest wars and the formation of the Arab caliphate under the leadership of Magomed, the Arabs did not have a habit of praying to Allah five times a day, and then they were reborn, lost their fighting spirit and now we have what we have
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 09: 08 New
          +5
          Quote: belij
          I recently read on the site that it seems like our advisers will go again.

          If they go, then this media will not get into the media. The rest is speculation.
        3. kavkaz8888
          kavkaz8888 31 May 2013 09: 18 New
          +2
          Already gone. 25 or 26.05
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 09: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: kavkaz8888
            Already gone. 25 or 26.05

            They told you themselves that they were leaving?
        4. 76rtbr
          76rtbr 31 May 2013 09: 22 New
          0
          not the fact that they are already there !!!
          1. artemiy
            artemiy 31 May 2013 11: 07 New
            13
            our ships are constantly cruising to Syria! And they’re definitely not taking diapers!
            1. Gemar
              Gemar 31 May 2013 11: 25 New
              +7
              Quote: artemiy
              our ships are constantly cruising to Syria! And they’re definitely not taking diapers!

              drinks
              And no ties. wink
              1. lapis lazuli
                lapis lazuli 2 June 2013 08: 34 New
                +3
                Quote: Gamar
                And no ties
                But no!
                Ties back in 2008 all devoured
        5. Kirgudum
          Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 35 New
          +2
          There is information that our advisers are already there.
          1. Oberst_71
            Oberst_71 31 May 2013 12: 47 New
            0
            eat little
        6. Rusich
          Rusich 31 May 2013 11: 58 New
          13
          for your attention !!! We will win !!!!
      2. Manager
        Manager 31 May 2013 09: 49 New
        13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .Yes and it’s not clear where the complexes are now, in Syria or not.

        Romanitch, until there is at least one downed target, they will be cherished like the apple of an eye. And hide the mother do not worry. So the question is whether they are already there, I will answer - I think that is.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 10: 03 New
          +7
          Quote: Manager
          I will answer - I think that is.

          Putin knows for sure, but the infection is silent laughing
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 1 June 2013 03: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Putin knows for sure, but the infection is silent

            As an indigenous Petersburger, he could have told me yes wassat
        2. 101
          101 31 May 2013 20: 48 New
          -2
          I believe that iconic weapons in such situations cannot be used in any case. They will not play a key role with 300, and a fiasco with their use or destruction will inflict a crushing blow on the image of Russian weapons. And crocodile tears about the fear of our weapons and the escalation of hysteria about their deliveries are most likely enhance the effect of what can and is the ultimate goal of our well-wishers their mother
          1. Katsin
            Katsin 1 June 2013 08: 47 New
            -8
            You say everything correctly, only who will listen to you? They would only wave a saber and earn and razderibanit. Now it’s 900 million. And that after such delivery and destruction of the S-300 no one else will buy this system, they don’t think about it ...
            1. zvereok
              zvereok 1 June 2013 11: 16 New
              +6
              Israel and Nato waving a saber. And for a long time. And the use of our air defense in battle is a chance to work out a real defense and discover its weaknesses. And to discover not at the moment when the NATO planes will iron Moscow.
              1. atalef
                atalef 1 June 2013 11: 29 New
                -5
                Quote: zvereok
                And the use of our air defense in battle is a chance to work out a real defense and discover its weaknesses.

                You think it will be someone to tell. Or do you think. that in case of conflict, someone will patiently sit and write down the advantages and disadvantages. and then transfer it to Russia?
                Everything will be simple. the system worked out. or not. Most likely not, because the fact that the s-300 will be suppressed is not in doubt among the majority of site visitors. But that’s why it didn’t work. have to think for yourself.
                In general, the hope of a miracle weapon, the one and only one that can turn the whole situation overnight - these are dreams known from the Second World War. But the prodigy does not exist. And the S-300 is not even relevant to it.
                1. Babon
                  Babon 1 June 2013 12: 00 New
                  +3
                  Well, of course, Israel will succeed in crushing the S-300, in any case, no matter how much they are sent there. And you write with such gloating, just as if you were just waiting for this? And suppressing will most likely not be by airplanes, right?
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 2 June 2013 08: 18 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Babon
                    Well, of course, Israel will succeed in crushing the S-300, in any case, no matter how much they are sent there. And you write with such gloating, just as if you were just waiting for this?

                    Well in war as in war.

                    Quote: Babon
                    And suppressing will most likely not be by airplanes, right?

                    Do not know request
                2. Che
                  Che 2 June 2013 15: 24 New
                  +1
                  Atalef S-300 is a good weapon in good hands. If the Syrians are good students, then the aggressor is kirdyk. And you don’t have a miracle of weapons, they stole a vigorous bomb - I can’t deny this.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 2 June 2013 18: 33 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Che
                    And you don’t have a miracle of weapons, they stole a vigorous bomb - I can’t deny this.

                    Who and how?
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 2 June 2013 20: 02 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Che
                    Atalef S-300 is a good weapon in good hands

                    Yes maybe . or maybe not. I would say - potentially good. While in battle it was not verified. do not say so clearly.
                    We can say that all the air defense of Syria (including the Shell, Buki and everything else, as well as the personnel. Organization and combat training) is complete bullshit. And to this statement I have undeniable facts.
                    It's too early to talk about the rest and about the S-300, the same thing.
              2. 101
                101 1 June 2013 17: 56 New
                -2
                It’s like they’ll iron Moscow, it’s not messed up.
                1. Babon
                  Babon 1 June 2013 22: 35 New
                  +3
                  What do you want to surprise? I passed the exams before the exam, and managed to go to the army, what do you want to surprise me with?
                  1. 101
                    101 1 June 2013 23: 24 New
                    0
                    Ege is a beast that suffers for Moscow. This is a little higher post.
            2. Babon
              Babon 1 June 2013 12: 11 New
              +2
              Write cruelly, let them buy, there are countries with different levels of development on our planet)) But it’s true that the Arabs do not want to trust the image of Russian weapons, this is not only about the Syrians. The Egyptians disgraced themselves even steeper, it was necessary for them to arrange this in the Sinai, they are not warriors, they were not offended, but the bazaar was their destiny.
              1. Rider
                Rider 1 June 2013 12: 33 New
                +4
                Quote: Babon
                The Egyptians became even more disgraced, it was necessary for them to arrange this in the Sinai,


                if you're talking about the doomsday war
                then I have a curious reference.

                quote:As we learned from the found memorandum, the rulers of Egypt, Israel and the United States entered into a conspiracy in 1973. They staged and conducted the “October War” - the Jews call it the “Doomsday War”, and the Arabs “the Ramadan War”. During its course, the sovereign ruler of Egypt, Anuar al-Sadat, betrayed the Arab cause, betrayed his military ally - Syria and doomed her army to destruction, gave the Palestinians to be eaten, betrayed friendship with the Soviet Union. The United States played Egypt, and then other countries in the region.

                I draw attention to the fact that this is written by an Israeli who was directly involved in the war.

                taken:http://www.israelshamir.net/ru/ruart205.htm
                1. Babon
                  Babon 1 June 2013 12: 36 New
                  +1
                  The link is absolutely true, while Israel destroyed the Syrian army, the Egyptians generally do not understand what they were doing, they are not fighting!
              2. воронов
                воронов 1 June 2013 22: 35 New
                +1
                Arabs are no longer warriors, from the 8 century, after the collapse of the Arab Caliphate
        3. zvereok
          zvereok 1 June 2013 11: 13 New
          +2
          The presence of C300 is the presence of a weapon of retaliation, which will come from fired aircraft in the territories of neighboring countries, the blanks themselves, as far as possible they should intercept the beeches and shells. And then С300 changes its location. Friends of Syria cannot have satellites in the sky hanging around the clock to track the C300. And with no pilots, the same medium-range air defense will cope.

          The main danger is saboteurs and massive air raids, in the first case, when the destruction of air defense, the friends of Syria can do with little blood. In the second, larger.
      3. OTAKE
        OTAKE 31 May 2013 10: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Dima190579
        but I would like to see how the S-300 will be out of NATO and Israel and they will knock out nonsense at least with one eye.

        Everything will depend on who will sit at the complexes, if the Syrians, then I have no confidence in the success. Yes, and it’s not clear where the complexes are now, in Syria or not.

        The S-300 will not change the weather there, it can only feel better psychologically, but in fact it needs a layered modern air defense to withstand at least Israel, not that there .. NATO ..
        1. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 10: 28 New
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          Enough 10-15 pcs. downed NATO or Israel planes, so that they would think differently about the unmanned zone.
          1. smprofi
            smprofi 31 May 2013 12: 20 New
            +5
            Quote: sasha.28blaga
            what would they think differently about unmanned zone.

            so oh unmanned planes in the West, yes, they thought about it. and besides reconnaissance, yes, there are shock versions of the UAV. and are successfully applied. and on this occasion the Congress even instituted a medal, for the "soldiers" of the "distance" war
          2. Toit
            Toit 31 May 2013 12: 22 New
            -1
            Quote: sasha.28blaga
            Enough 10-15 pcs. downed NATO or Israel planes, so that they would think differently about the unmanned zone.

            I won’t say anything about NATO, but for Israel it’s enough 1-2, not 10-15, only together with air defense advisers, you need to carry a couple more battalions of ground protection advisers
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 31 May 2013 12: 27 New
              15
              C'mon, for two years the Syrians have learned to strangle terrorists well. So that your terrorists will be strangled. They will protect these systems more strongly than Assad’s eyes.
              1. Rider
                Rider 31 May 2013 16: 23 New
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                Quote: alicante11
                in two years, the Syrians have learned to strangle terrorists well. So that your terrorists will be strangled.


                do not underestimate the Israeli specialists, one of the best in the world (certainly better than the state one)

                and by the way, a joke:Marines

                The US Army is the most ... decide for yourself which one.

                Israel, 98th year. KMB base on the seashore. I am a lieutenant, an officer on duty at the base. Call from the gate - representatives of American Marines have arrived, their "guide" is late, go meet. I'm fine with English, so I go and meet. 3 hulks, 2 meters by one and a half, Arnold is a dwarf next to them. Polkan, his chief of staff and ensign, the so-called sergeant - major. How can I serve? They, it turns out, after a week of training, are going to land on the shore of the base. We came to inspect the area. Well, we can do that.

                Let's go ashore. They look around, write something in notebooks, and finally they are interested in:
                “Sir, what kind of antennas are there?”
                “This,” I reply, “is the Navy base Dugit.”
                “And what kind of concrete building is this a mile south of this base?”
                “This,” I answer, “is the base of the Palestinian commandos.” Dugit is located right on the border with Gaza.

                Prapor makes big eyes, turns to his polkan and stretches out at attention, says:
                - Sir, may I ask ...
                “Ask,” he agrees.
                “Sir, Gaza, is that not where Arafat is sitting?”

                Polkan turns to me in surprise. I explain that yes, this is the same Gaza, part of the Palestinian Authority, and Arafat very often happens there. Now the big eyes are made by the whole trinity.

                At this excursion was hastily completed. Arriving half an hour later, the Israeli major paratrooper, who did not meet the Americans because of traffic jams, ran out of me all the profanity. The final - the exercises of the proud US naval assault were canceled, and the very next day the entire squadron disappeared from the horizon. And today, when I see reports of the heroic actions of Marines in Venezuela, excuse me, Afghanistan, for some reason I laugh. The devil knows why.


                true or not. judge for yourself.

                wink
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 2 June 2013 15: 24 New
                  +2
                  Well, whether it's true or not, it's not for me to judge. And, of course, Jewish elephants are the most elephant elephants in the world :). But, nevertheless, the Syrians now have fresh experience. Moreover, not against inept "rebels", but against fully trained militants and special forces of all countries "friends of Syria". So with all due respect, but wash yourself in blood.
                2. Che
                  Che 2 June 2013 15: 36 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rider
                  do not underestimate the Israeli specialists, one of the best in the world (certainly better than the state one)


                  I agree with you, but they are not gods. It all depends on the Syrians, they want to fight for their freedom, they have enough determination, they will turn the tide in their favor, they will not bow down on rugs and fight - they will defeat any aggressor.
                  I wish Syria’s good neighbors, but there’s what it is,
            2. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 31 May 2013 12: 30 New
              13
              I agree completely, one thing with the militants and another thing against the Israeli special forces. Here, for each complex, a motorized rifle battalion is needed. Most likely the guard will guard.
              1. rolik
                rolik 31 May 2013 14: 59 New
                +5
                Quote: Sith Lord
                . Most likely the guard will guard.

                During the Arab-Israeli conflict, our new MIGs were guarded by our own guys.
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 31 May 2013 18: 05 New
                  +1
                  Because the Arab chiefs were rightly afraid that their "elite troops" would be bought for a couple of dollars. In the Arab world, this has been accepted since the time of the bow and arrow. So let's check whether Assad is supported or not. The Israelis will announce the destruction of the C 300 complex, if the information is confirmed - it is senseless to support Syria, without treason, and quite massive, this can only be done by a full-fledged military operation.
                  And even if no faithful troops were found at this, then the anti-people regime. If they destroy it by sheer stupidity and sloppiness (also common in the East), the Syrians are again not worth the support. To support a fool - only to drop yourself. In general, with 300 here they test not only their fighting qualities and not even so much of them ...
                  1. I'm Russian
                    I'm Russian 31 May 2013 20: 13 New
                    -3
                    During the Arab-Israeli period, the USSR provided the Arabs with a huge amount of modern and reliable weapons and equipment, which was stupidly lost and destroyed by the Jews. There is no need to help, they still will not be paid as always.
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 2 June 2013 15: 25 New
                      0
                      so ALREADY paid. And the Iranians also made an advance. So here without a kid.
                  2. Pimply
                    Pimply 31 May 2013 21: 45 New
                    0
                    Why? UAV and strike with precision missiles. There are units that specialize in this. They can work for tens of kilometers from the target.

                    Maglan, for example.
                  3. mirag2
                    mirag2 1 June 2013 09: 07 New
                    0
                    Yes-ah ... Although I do not want to believe it, it’s very close to the bitter truth.
                    Although now in Syria the massacre on religious grounds is already, they may not be bought from a principled position ...
                    Regards mirag2.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 31 May 2013 21: 43 New
                0
                With modern spike missiles, for example, not a single battalion will help. 8-25 km - depending on the version - and there is no complex. This is if to realities. The question is at the point of installation and armament. If they bet, then it is not quantity that will play a role, but means of camouflage, etc.
                1. Genady1976
                  Genady1976 31 May 2013 22: 03 New
                  +1
                  Maybe, but who knows for sure no one until this happens and for now 50/50
                2. ixsus
                  ixsus 31 May 2013 23: 06 New
                  +1
                  I heard about Spike, a good thing, but dear.
                  1. Genady1976
                    Genady1976 31 May 2013 23: 33 New
                    +4
                    I heard a lot about Poplar
                    1. ixsus
                      ixsus 31 May 2013 23: 45 New
                      +2
                      laughing
                      Well, pr Poplar, I also heard and read a lot, about Yars, about the Governor. But we have IT, but they DO NOT !!!
                      +
                      Well, poplar, of course, is more expensive, but the class is different, and I think we won’t use it there, although for some, if only for prevention, not the nuclear part, it would be possible if the situation gets to an escalation.
                  2. Pimply
                    Pimply 1 June 2013 00: 33 New
                    -2
                    Depends on the version. All modern weapons are not cheap. Life of a soldier and achievement of a goal is even more expensive
                3. posad
                  posad 1 June 2013 07: 07 New
                  +4
                  But how fun it will be when the Jews begin to bring down! That will be joy!)))))
            3. smprofi
              smprofi 31 May 2013 12: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: Toit
              enough for Israel 1-2

              Yes?
              Israel’s total losses in the 1973 war were, according to Israeli data, 110 combat aircraft.


              In total, from June 6 to June 11, 1982, the Israeli Air Force, according to data published in the Soviet press, lost 58 aircraft (50 aircraft and 8 unmanned aircraft)
              According to American sources, Israel lost 10 aircraft, including two A-4s, one F-4E and one F-I6A

              the Jews will be at war, if necessary.
              But NATa ... here is the real question: if a no-fly zone is simply announced, and the "peacekeepers" are shot down in more or less serious numbers, then NATa will stop flying.
              if a full-scale war does not start ...
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 31 May 2013 14: 13 New
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                I do not agree, the time is now consumers and overweight and general laziness and do not care.
                If the 1940s in a month the USA or Europe could lose 10 - 000 soldiers and public opinion took it for granted and no one protested against the war.
                В 1950s 1 - 000 soldiers.
                В 1960s already 500 - 2 per month and then the protests against the war began. Etc.
                В 1990s already 100-500 soldiers and the people began to resent.
                And now 2010-2020 years already worrying loss of 50-100 soldiers per month.

                Therefore, the loss of 10 aircraft and about 100 soldiers will be a strong blow to any army. Now public opinion is tender.
                1. Gari
                  Gari 31 May 2013 14: 49 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Sith Lord
                  Therefore, the loss of 10 aircraft and about 100 soldiers will be a strong blow to any army. Now public opinion is tender.


                  That's right, a very tender society in the West (geyvrop) is because public opinion is tender
                2. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 31 May 2013 18: 09 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Sith Lord
                  Now public opinion is tender.

                  Europe, like on the eve of the 2-th MV, is not mentally prepared to sacrifice well-being and fight (in principle) for the interests of others. Maybe for the sake of demonstrating Atlantic solidarity, they lazily shoot from afar. The main violin will be played by the States and Iziki.
                  But I suddenly thought that they could use the newly admitted members of the bloc, who will crawl out of their skin, to prove their loyalty and "need" to the bloc.
                3. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 31 May 2013 18: 10 New
                  +6
                  But. Not only tender. You do not take into account that this very opinion has also become ... absolutely powerless! It now resembles a bunch in the water. Well, another grandfather will shoot himself, so what? Now you can spit on the opinion and nothing will happen. Gone are the days when Europeans were able to overthrow governments. So it’s just that they’ll declare the losses not from combat, but from dezenteria. Well, the loss of private security companies. Opinion and calm down ...
                4. ixsus
                  ixsus 31 May 2013 23: 15 New
                  +1
                  Vladyka has precisely noticed that soon they will fight with drones, soon they will be indignant at the death of each soldier. Progress is underway and I think it’s right, let it be better iron than man. But still, nothing replaced the person on the battlefield !!!
              2. Toit
                Toit 31 May 2013 14: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: smprofi
                Yes?

                At 73 they attacked us, there is a different alignment
                1. smprofi
                  smprofi 31 May 2013 15: 12 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Toit
                  73 attacked us

                  yes, but in the 82nd it was a little different

                  but minus Toit sculpt in vain
                2. Andrey57
                  Andrey57 31 May 2013 15: 14 New
                  10
                  And the Jews are pink and fluffy - they didn’t attack you, but tried to clear you of the foreign lands that you had seized, which sooner or later would happen anyway, not just like that, the mattresses even wrote off you as a state from the account by the 2030 year, but, I think this will happen sooner as soon as the mattresses cannot finance you in the same volume, without their money you are zero without a stick.
                  1. potach
                    potach 31 May 2013 18: 03 New
                    -5
                    It’s too easy for your small country to stand up for itself, which has been proven more than once, “And it produces weapons and sells them successfully.” By the way. fifth in the world. And what kind of weapon one Iron Dome is worth if you know what it is. And if necessary, then with the C300 next. For a long time in Greece we trained with their complex and very successfully. So Israel stood and will stand. And the land is our 5000 lieutenant
                    1. Simon
                      Simon 31 May 2013 18: 47 New
                      +1
                      In Russia, your electronics did not hurt, it was quickly abandoned by us.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 31 May 2013 21: 49 New
                        -5
                        The processor you are currently working on is most likely developed in Israel.

                        http://habrahabr.ru/company/intel/blog/144767/
                    2. mirag2
                      mirag2 1 June 2013 09: 21 New
                      0
                      Yes, it sells. In no case I won’t say that the IDF’s weapons are bad. But how and what sells ... Can we recall the contract with Estonia? Small, weak and unrequited? Which sold substandard small arms, with the condition that Estonia purchased agricultural products from kibbutsev.A complex of electronic intelligence for the Syrian Sunnis? It also increases the intensity of hostilities in Syria.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 1 June 2013 09: 25 New
                        -3
                        Quote: mirag2
                        Which sold substandard small arms, with the condition of purchase by Estonia of agricultural products from kibbutzim.

                        Where did the firewood come from? More?

                        Quote: mirag2
                        And the electronic intelligence complex for the Syrian Sunnis?

                        Photo of the complex pliz. wink
                      2. mirag2
                        mirag2 1 June 2013 09: 37 New
                        0
                        1) I apologize, I can’t remember now where the woods came from, where I read about it, or now I need to verify the authenticity of the source? Maybe we’ll do it together? Do you have the same network and keyboard? I’m not too lazy. And you?
                        2) And I saw a jeep with a filling in the ANNANWES agency report, but I won’t say it in either now. I absorb too much information. But most likely in the last month or even more likely in the last three weeks.
                        So, what do we look together for information on Estonian supplies? I will not spend one time.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 1 June 2013 09: 40 New
                        -4
                        I was looking for reviews there about Galil. I didn’t find anything like that.

                        Quote: mirag2
                        And I saw a jeep with a stuffing in the ANNANWES agency report, but I won’t say it in either one now. I absorb too much information.

                        They didn’t show any filling there, but only an old jeep not used in the IDF.
                      4. mirag2
                        mirag2 1 June 2013 09: 49 New
                        +1
                        You’re right that you didn’t show the filling, but TOLD it, and I don’t have any reason to not believe ANNANWES reporters. I can believe them the same way you can not believe them. So?
                        Maybe for you a model of honesty and truth
                        CNN about the rebels — I will not try to influence your opinion about this.
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 1 June 2013 10: 06 New
                        -2
                        Quote: mirag2
                        You’re right that you didn’t show the filling, but TOLD it, and I don’t have any reason to not believe ANNANWES reporters. I can believe them the same way you can not believe them. So?

                        Are these the ones who found an Israeli-made Lau launcher in Syria? laughing

                        Here is a link to selling defective weapons by Israel to Estonia from Wikipedia, should I still try for you?

                        Try for yourself. Wiki doesn't roll, not seriously.

                        PS
                        About the production of kibbutzim generally amused. They have no problems with sales (the main item of their income is far from agriculture) and they do not belong to the state in order to link their transactions with sales from these collective farms.
                      6. mirag2
                        mirag2 1 June 2013 10: 13 New
                        -1
                        Lord, well, I honestly don’t want to search, dig. I don’t know, all the more so as authority for you. Probably DEBKA. COM or JEANS? They don’t write about it there.
              3. mirag2
                mirag2 1 June 2013 09: 43 New
                0
                Here is a link to selling defective weapons by Israel to Estonia from Wikipedia, should I still try for you?
                Thank you for your attention.u.wikipedia.org / wiki / Estonian Armed Forces
        2. potach
          potach 31 May 2013 18: 03 New
          -11
          It’s too easy for your small country to stand up for itself, which has been proven more than once, “And it produces weapons and sells them successfully.” By the way. fifth in the world. And what kind of weapon one Iron Dome is worth if you know what it is. And if necessary, then with the C300 next. For a long time in Greece we trained with their complex and very successfully. So Israel stood and will stand. And the land is our 5000 lieutenant
          1. Che
            Che 31 May 2013 18: 26 New
            +2
            To maintain their statehood, make independent, competent and wise decisions. And do not go in the wake of the criminal policy of amers. Produce everything yourself, where there is raw material then, there is no raw material base.
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. alicante11
            alicante11 1 June 2013 10: 38 New
            +1
            A small country can stand up for itself because there is a large country behind it, which is not constrained in funds due to the presence of a printing press. That's just the "phenomenon of Israel".
      4. Che
        Che 31 May 2013 18: 19 New
        +1
        I don’t see the difference, you are generally surrounded by a hostile Arab world.
      5. Rink
        Rink 31 May 2013 21: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Toit
        At 73 they attacked us, there is a different alignment

        Yeah! you were attacked in the 73rd ... What good things!
        And what did Israel from 1947 to 73rd, let's remember together?
        For clarity, you can still see a map of how the borders of Israel have changed from 1947 to 1973.
        And then we will think who was "attacked" and why?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 1 June 2013 00: 35 New
          -3
          The USSR appeared Kaliningrad region. Does this mean that the USSR attacked Germany?
  2. xan
    xan 31 May 2013 14: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: Toit
    I won’t say anything about NATO, but for Israel it’s enough 1-2, not 10-15, only together with air defense advisers, you need to carry a couple more battalions of ground protection advisers

    Now the main task is to make sure that the S-300 is not found
    and the Jews will not fly until they find and destroy him
    Jews must look for him as long as possible and not find him
    very difficult task for the Syrians
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 31 May 2013 14: 50 New
      +9
      Almost a week ago I wrote that the S-300 would be a bargaining chip in Assad’s hands. He will use it last and will not shine ahead of time.
      1. Simon
        Simon 31 May 2013 18: 52 New
        0
        Well, why not show, shoot down a couple of planes and come without a flight zone for all enemy planes, and hide the rest of the complexes.
    2. Simon
      Simon 31 May 2013 18: 49 New
      +1
      Hide, for them it is the price of life.
  3. Simon
    Simon 31 May 2013 18: 36 New
    0
    The Syrians themselves will be well guarded, these complexes for them - life itself and victory. fool
  4. zvereok
    zvereok 1 June 2013 11: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: Toit
    only with air defense advisers, you need to carry a couple more battalions of ground protection advisers


    It is right. Like the USA, in which the army is fighting, and private army companies bear the losses.
  • Nitup
    Nitup 31 May 2013 13: 44 New
    +4
    Quote: OTAKE
    The S-300 will not change the weather there, it can only feel better psychologically, but in fact it needs a layered modern air defense to withstand at least Israel, not like that .. NATO
    There are still Shells and Buki
  • Locksmith
    Locksmith 31 May 2013 17: 34 New
    +5
    Quote: OTAKE
    C-300 will not change the weather there,

    And it is not necessary, he will perform the functions of a "dead hand" there - let the cruise missile launched from the plane fly in and destroy the target, but the pilot will no longer recognize this wink, and he will fail already to be saved - it’s not C75, when they almost saw the rocket in the air, THIS rocket has three times the speed. am
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 31 May 2013 17: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: OTAKE
    need layered modern air defense to withstand

    Right. therefore Our typical ZRV regiment now organizationally it will consist of 2 S-400 divisions and the Pantsirei division to protect them from enemy air forces. Plus "ambushes" from MANPADS shooters in the most dangerous areas of missile defense. Of course, other measures of protection and defense of the regiment's strategic positions are also needed.
  • woin
    woin 1 June 2013 12: 19 New
    +3
    Jews have long been fucking ....
  • artemiy
    artemiy 31 May 2013 11: 03 New
    +4
    S-300 brought along with our specialists! So I think the Syrian soldier will learn in a short time!
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 31 May 2013 12: 34 New
      18
      The Union and Russia have never sold weapons without training soldiers of the customer.
      The Union and Russia never sold weapons until the trained soldiers of our customer passed the exams.
      The Union and Russia have never sold weapons without the accompaniment and supervision of advisers.
    2. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 31 May 2013 12: 47 New
      0
      short terms are not 2 years old. so much is needed to prepare a sensible conscript soldier
      1. Smol79
        Smol79 31 May 2013 14: 57 New
        +6
        in air defense, the basis of combat crews is officers and not soldiers. A soldier may be sitting there behind the wheel of a car.
        1. Yuriwhite
          Yuriwhite 31 May 2013 16: 28 New
          +4
          Oh well ... Greetings to you from the sergeant RTV air defense regiment chief radar P-14.
          So all is absent. ALL air defense begins with RTV, namely with meter stations. And the operators at the stations are ordinary and non-commissioned officers.
          And even if my p-14 +’s accuracy is 10 km, this is quite enough for issuing a command and control center at the IAP or air defense missile system, which I actually did hundreds of times during the service through the command post of my ORLR.
      2. Yuriwhite
        Yuriwhite 31 May 2013 16: 35 New
        +3
        More or less like this. Although a year later I already gave the standard for 1 category to track 20 targets per minute, and after 1.5 it was easy in general 30. Although during the exercises, if - the Migari-31 pipe was flown through the "OCHKO" (IKO), it was very difficult to determine who-where. The speeds are high - about 1200-2500.
        But you also need to track the request.
  • DEfindER
    DEfindER 31 May 2013 11: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Everything will depend on who will sit at the complexes, if the Syrians, then I have no confidence in the success

    Yes, and in order to solve the problem of the carelessness of the Arabs, there is only one way out to automate the system to the maximum, so that the Syrian only needs to press one button "Destroy the target". Yes, and TOPs would be there because they are already like that.
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 31 May 2013 12: 14 New
      -9
      Quote: DEfindER
      there is only one way to automate the system to the maximum,

      what is the little thing in dreams?
      S-300 remote control directly from Russia!
      flood Syria with military robots, on land and in the air!
      include Syria as an autonomous region in Russia!

      Well, and some other ury-patriotic delirium to choose from.

      DEfindERgo down to the sinful earth!
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 31 May 2013 14: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: smprofi
        what is the little thing in dreams?

        In general, any export equipment is done taking into account the peculiarities of the buyer's country, there are many examples from AK-47 for Libya, firing bursts of no more than 3 rounds, and to aircraft modified for India and China. I think to put an extra control unit, not so expensive, the problem is time, which is not for the development of this unit ..
        The question arises: why didn’t they immediately put it on our S-300s, I think firstly this complex was developed in the 70s, secondly, the preparation of calculations was carried out at the highest level, and purely trust in the destruction of such targets as airplanes of all types, we they don’t want to, especially since there were precedents for the downing of civilian aircraft in exercises.
        TORs strike mainly small missiles at short distances, they can be automated, which they did.
        1. Simon
          Simon 31 May 2013 19: 02 New
          +1
          Of course, the complexes go there only through modernization. It is possible that such blocks are there.
      2. potach
        potach 31 May 2013 18: 08 New
        -9
        And not weak. Something is not visible, so that something new has appeared in you. You also want to. Manage from Russia.
      3. potach
        potach 31 May 2013 18: 09 New
        -9
        And not weak. Something is not visible, so that something new has appeared in you. You also want to. Manage from Russia.
        1. SSR
          SSR 31 May 2013 23: 36 New
          +5
          Quote: potach
          And not weak. Something is not visible, so that something new has appeared in you. You also want to.

          Schoolboy, go study and expand your horizons ... for a small example ..
          Centrifuges similar to Russian ones do not exist in the world ... into space to the second station after our MIR and now the ISS .. passengers are delivered by our carriers ... the West generally considered the third NK-33 rocket engine a crazy enterprise .. fourth .. shkolo. Tetris created in Russia ..
          the fifth PakFa, but the sixth with the rudeness onli fo yu .. a pimply young man .. there is no more powerful than the Russian "daddy of bombs" in the world .... go young man and study further on advo balabola. I can continue indefinitely but this is a waste of time on the "humpback".
  • smprofi
    smprofi 31 May 2013 12: 08 New
    11
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Everything will depend on who will sit at the complexes

    that's right!
    while in Libya there were simply Soviet-made air defense systems - the gringos and the Saxons raided Tripoli. as soon as the Soviet crews took over the duty, the raids stopped. Two years ago there were no Soviet (Russian or other) specialists in Libya. SAM - were. not a single "peacekeeping aircraft" was shot down ...
    As for Syria ... in 73, Soviet advisers worked on the same "Squares" ("Cubes"), and not only on them. a fair number of Israelis were shot down. in 82, in the Bekaa valley, the Syrians lost their entire air defense system. there were complaints about "poor quality" equipment. analysis found that the Syrians violated all the instructions and rules, which led to this result. but the most interesting thing: not a single drop of Arab blood was found on the wreckage of the equipment ...
    S-300 is a serious complex. but the technique itself does nothing. it all depends on crew training. and from tactics of application.

    as for the no-fly zone ... Obama has already given the Pentagon the task of developing a plan to create a no-fly zone. with the participation of the Saxons and paddlers.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/28/exclusive-barack-obama-asks-pen
    tagon-for-syria-no-fly-zone-plan.html
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 31 May 2013 14: 17 New
      +4
      Gaddafi had French-made targeting systems. They framed our 82s back in the 200nd. Somehow we didn't bother to think that it is very difficult to interface systems of different countries. Now, you see, the "bookmarks" have worked. And without external target designation - the 200 is a fixed target for radar missiles. The Tripolitanian brigade was silent and survived. And the Bengazi opened fire and was suppressed. Apparently, based on experience, they did not shoot now either. Until they crawled up to them from the ground.
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 31 May 2013 14: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: alicante11
        Gaddafi had French target designation systems.

        Do not confuse Saddam for an hour? in Iraq, it was precisely non-Soviet-made early warning radars. and the entire air defense system was created by the French. and bookmarks in Iraq in 1991 worked. not only in the radar, but in a communication system based on Siemens AG equipment. and in Iraq, the French Crotale air defense system refused to fire on NATO aircraft.
        and with Libya ... classic photo



        at the initial stage of the NATO raids. as part of a tank column marching on Benghazi, the Osa air defense system. here there is no smell of bookmarks or "glitches" of external target designation. "Wasp" was not even brought into combat position.
        1. postman
          postman 31 May 2013 16: 25 New
          -3
          Quote: smprofi
          and bookmarks in Iraq in 1991 worked.

          it seems to me about the "bookmarks" philistine trash.
          1. manufacturers are serious, and will not defame their name, reputation
          2. If there were such a case (or at least relatively reliable data) - NOBODY WILL BUY ARMS from such a supplier, ever. And this is reasonable: to fuy spend money on "parade" equipment?
          3. The Arabs screwed up themselves (as always, they have a national habit, well, they are not friends with BT) and they start disinforming to justify their squinting.
          4. There is no reliable data on bookmarks (yes, even from the interested party)
          1. smprofi
            smprofi 31 May 2013 17: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Postman
            manufacturers are serious, and will not defame their name, reputation

            in any serious equipment, the same Cisco or Nortel, there is a backdoor or, in army terminology, a police function.
            Quote: Postman
            No reliable bookmark data

            if you do not know this, this does not mean that they are not. you just have to deal with this issue a bit
            1. postman
              postman 31 May 2013 18: 44 New
              0
              Quote: smprofi
              backdoor exists

              “New entities should not be attracted unless absolutely necessary”
              This is not the case with military equipment delivered for EXPORT to another country and is provided for in relevant treaties and agreements.
              Quote: smprofi
              if you do not know this, this does not mean that they are not.

              1) Something is known, I personally visited Siemens AG, visited the assembly shop and asked this question. They laughed for a long time and asked a counter question: "Who will buy from us products related to the country's defense, if we can block it at any moment? Do you know such idiots?"
              (Well, I personally do not know)
              2) VE Contract with the Ministry of Defense of Egypt (when Mubarak, Hosni was still there), and although there was no electronics there but some spare parts and spare parts for crane equipment (which was supplied to the USSR earlier), all the same dual-use goods - these conditions and sanctions were agreed in advance.
              Quote: smprofi
              you just have to deal with this issue a bit

              I was engaged, and I don’t need to do it, just think, logically:
              Who will pay the money for what the opposing party can disconnect at any time?
              1. old man54
                old man54 2 June 2013 18: 24 New
                0
                But who then confesses to you? Do you know such idiots who will take and openly admit that they regularly bookmark exported military products (and not only exported ones). Or do you still want them to arrange a conference call and say that they put them? :)))
                1. postman
                  postman 5 June 2013 18: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: old man54
                  Do you know such idiots who will take

                  And you know such idiots who REGULARLY will buy equipment with "tabs" in avionics, control systems with the same tabs, radar, air defense, government communications systems.
                  Buy, buy and buy and pay in gold again .....
                  HAVING SUCH "IMPORTANT" information!
                  ?
                  Quote: old man54
                  reported that they put them :)))

                  If they put (LET):
                  1.PPU (in other words, an antenna for receiving a signal) WHERE?
                  2. The unit for processing information and issuing su where?
                  3. Self-contained power supply, additional - where
                  etc.
                  1,2,3 and so on. HOW to hide all this, close access, protect against hacking?
                  4. If they (bookmarks) are, THEN ARE ACTIVATED ONLY IN "War of the loan day" (last), when all FSUs. Or in an attack on the country of origin.
                  And that they (bookmarks) would be activated at the request of the Americans in an ordinary war ....
                  WHO AFTER THIS WILL BUY PRODUCTS ???
                  According to your logic (and some comrades), we kirdyk:
                  domestic FPGA 5576XC4T and 5576XC3T - which are software compatible with Altera but have a different pinout-acquisition of imported microcircuits in the form of plates with a large margin, their testing and packaging

                  domestic ARM - purchased license for Cortex-M3

                  masks are manufactured abroad - not only can they be theoretically copied and studied, masks can be modified - companies like Chipworks are quite capable of this (for example, you can reduce reliability by disrupting the majority logic or damaging the error correction structures)


                  =================
                  The only thing that is permissible and reasonable (and that cannot be controlled):
                  reduce the reliability of the supplied chips
                  for example, it is enough not to add 1% copper to aluminum compounds, or to anneal the chip not in deuterium, but in hydrogen - and the service life will be reduced by 10 times.
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 31 May 2013 23: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: Postman
            No reliable bookmark data

            As far as I know, the French themselves turned off all Hussein’s mirages from a satellite and the pilots couldn’t even turn them on, as a result, the main Iraqi fighter aircraft (Hussein relied on mirages) turned out to be out of the game, which made the situation even more critical ..
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 1 June 2013 00: 36 New
              -3
              Have you ever brought a link? Either air defense systems, then Mirages. What next time? Flying saucers?
              1. postman
                postman 1 June 2013 04: 17 New
                -1
                Quote: Pimply
                Have you ever brought a link?

                Eugene You don’t get it, what link. SAID:
                Quote: DEfindER
                How much me is known

                himself and turned off, probably recourse
              2. DEfindER
                DEfindER 2 June 2013 16: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                Have you ever brought a link? Either air defense systems, then Mirages.

                If you are not trying to search and understand the issue of electronic bookmarks or backdoors in electronics, this does not mean that they are not there. Especially for you, I even found a document (although this is usually classified information):
                The 266 US Senate Bill S1991 explicitly requires that
                American cryptographic equipment contained traps,
                known only to the NSA - the National Security Agency.

                Or from other forums:
                Saddam Hussein was defeated long before the Gulf War. The Mirage planes at his disposal were supplied by the French. Insidious paddling pools assured the buyer that the electronics of these planes was XNUMX% protected from unauthorized access. However, when it came to war, that defenses were broken immediately - with a single coded signal that bypassed the ingenious system. The aircraft onboard systems were turned off, and the dictator was left without aviation.
                A similar "back door" to a supposedly protected system is available in ANY
                CERTIFIED BY THE STATE PROGRAM, but this is not accepted
                spread out loud.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 2 June 2013 16: 50 New
                  -1
                  And where is the specific link? Well, on the materials of any serious research, and not OBS (one grandmother said) with screeching "insidious frogs"? And how did 24 of these Mirages fly to Iran?

                  Then you give bill S266. Did you read it? Do you know what he is talking about, in principle, do you understand his purpose?
            2. postman
              postman 1 June 2013 04: 13 New
              0
              Quote: DEfindER
              As far as I know, the French themselves

              Where is it known from?
              Both SAGEM and Siemens (and so on) have contracts with the Russian government, including and defense.
              If the nonsense about the "bookmarks" had a reason: NOBODY (FAPSI, Cheka) would NEVER let them go to defense, communications, energy, astronautics, aviation (the same combat)
              Quote: DEfindER
              disconnected all mirages

              How you can "turn off" mirages from the satellite 0 I can not imagine.
              Quote: DEfindER
              which aggravated the situation to critical ..

              But the Egyptians (Syrians, Jordanians), when they gave a damn to Israel, said: Soviet equipment is bad.
              Is the same true?
              maybe the hands are in the wrong place?
          3. postman
            postman 1 June 2013 04: 22 New
            -1
            -3
            Minusator.
            I am for "-", but pliz with an explanation, at least 3 words.
            what if I'm wrong
            And:
            1.arabs are "excellent" warriors
            2.mythical bookmarks exist, and are so hidden in the architecture that \ neither "K" nor FAPSI can find
            3. And the satellite antenna for activating the bookmark has such nano-sizes (my satellite TV dish swells with envy) that fit on the 32 nm matrix of the chip.
            4. but there are no brains claiming the "bookmarks" version, or they have the same nano dimension
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 1 June 2013 10: 45 New
          0
          I read an interview with a participant in the investigation specifically in Libya. Perhaps the situation was the same in Iraq and Libya.
          1. postman
            postman 1 June 2013 12: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: alicante11
            I read an interview with a participant in the investigation specifically for Libya.

            Here at the topvar there was also an interview with a "participant" of the air force in Iraq, a "real Russian air defense officer", an operator of the S-200 complex .....
            Honored. and how many comments were: Yes, and so are we.
            NUBE and not write
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 2 June 2013 15: 28 New
              0
              http://militera.lib.ru/science/sb_libya1986/sb_libya1986.html

              Compared to the authors of the mililiters, you, my dear, are precisely the last noob. I'm sorry. But the site is very serious.
              1. postman
                postman 3 June 2013 19: 03 New
                +1
                Quote: alicante11
                Compared to the authors of Miltera, you,

                "Not the nicest". To send you a REAL report (harm against the S-200 / I was interested in this first of all /? And not the "site". The neck is removed.





                BUT to the case (issue under consideration) is IT DOES NOT MATTER
                And here are the bookmarks? WHERE disconnection of RES and components by an "external" signal from the manufacturer ???
                Western-made radars, in the main, were suppressed by active interference.


                Are you stupid, rude by the flatulence of your stupid?
                Before you write, blur the minuses- IN THE TOPIC, delve into.


                And approx. About nubyo, I wrote about the interview of the "participant" in Iraq"a real Russian air defense officer", operator of the S-200 complex .....
                Or is it you have dashed this pearl?

                Quote: alicante11
                But the site is very serious.

                What are you talking about then generally "not the nicest"?
                Serious about the site? About EW Coalition or Bookmarks?
                Send you a report? German! Overpower? About the same events.
                Quote: alicante11
                I read an interview with a participant in the investigation specifically in Libya. Perhaps the situation was the same in Iraq and Libya.

                Well PLEASE bookmark me on this "serious" site. Or you can not distinguish electronic warfare from bookmarks?
                As in the film "dumb is even dumber": zkladki and electronic warfare (but BUT YOURSELF (!) ITSELF (!) Personally read
                1. Kars
                  Kars 3 June 2013 19: 15 New
                  +2
                  And what conclusion? From damage analysis? Khan S-200 or is there a possibility of quick repair?
                  1. postman
                    postman 3 June 2013 21: 01 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Kars
                    Khan S-200 or is it possible to quickly repair?

                    I sent them to the mail.
                    Read.
                    Short:
                    cabs do not care
                    Antennas for the most part then.

                    In fact, the quantity turned into quality (sickened)
                    ===
                    according to the Stasi report, it is even more interesting: the complete "oslism" of the air defense.
                    But there in German stop
    2. rolik
      rolik 31 May 2013 15: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: smprofi
      Obama has already tasked the Pentagon to develop a plan to create a no-fly zone. with the participation of the Saxons and paddlers.

      As far as I understand, the cunning African American president really wants the French and British to control this zone. And the American pilots, smiling happily at all their teeth, gently wiped their ash-peels standing at the airfields with velvet rags. While from the paddling pools and proud Britons, in the sky over Syria, they will make an "airy" vinaigrette.
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 31 May 2013 15: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: rolik
        cunning african american

        but who knows what exactly he dreams. most likely this is not his personal decision. after all, it happened after McCain visited the "revolutionaries" in Syria.
        little to him, McCain, got in Vietnam ...



        1. postman
          postman 1 June 2013 23: 45 New
          -1
          Quote: smprofi
          little to him, McCain, got in Vietnam ...

          You are a respected theologian ..... Bring OURS (presidents, senates, DGD, etc.) - WHO WAS IN VIETNAM, LIBYA, AFGHAN ..
          Huh?
          Weak?

          You don’t have much courage and courage to talk about McCain ...
          HOW MUCH?
          Moldova at least? Or Karabakh?
          1. Denis
            Denis 2 June 2013 00: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Postman
            Vietnam, Libya, Afghanistan ..
            Huh?
            Weak?
            Was such a Rutskoi. Not weak, rather disgusting and perplexed
            There wasn’t taught
            1. postman
              postman 2 June 2013 02: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Denis
              He was such a Rutskoi.

              He was. He is.
              Why disgusting?
              Was P. Grachev
              Tales of him Durimarov, LISTENING is really disgusting. visit at least once a day of remembrance and listen to eyewitnesses.
              But is not the point.
              I NEVER READ, HAVE NOT HEAR AN OVERVIEW IN AMERICA, EEC ABOUT OUR VETERAN POLICIES ...
              1. Denis
                Denis 2 June 2013 20: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: Postman
                Why disgusting?
                About 50 suitcases of compromising evidence, so even my mother-in-law does not breach
                Or is the deputy a different orientation?
                1. postman
                  postman 5 June 2013 14: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: Denis
                  About 50 suitcases of compromising evidence, so even my mother-in-law does not breach

                  I was just the same sure that P. Grachev SPEAKED: Airborne Regiment, 1 day and our Terrible.
                  I was sure until 2012. Until I met with those people who served with him (before and after and during), the guys VERY fighting (real fighters, not clowns) came to my friend (the same Afghan) monument to P. Grachev to order .

                  They told so much: I doubt now about "Pasha Mercedes".
                  The Press. WHAT to take from her.
                  MB Rutskoi and in a fever said something about suitcases.
                  But the officer is fighting.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 3 June 2013 01: 39 New
            -1
            And what is this talking about? The fact that our politicians, at least, did not stain their hands with the blood of civilians? they didn’t burn the village with napalm. What are you proud of? The killers in power. So you have some murderers in power, only some smarter, they gave orders, while others are so stupid that they themselves executed.
  • Gari
    Gari 31 May 2013 17: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    where are the complexes now, in Syria or not.

    "Contracts not only for the most modern types of weapons were at one time concluded. And these contracts are gradually being fulfilled, as the deadlines approach," - Interfax quotes presidential aide Yuri Ushakov. He stressed that "the Russian side does not supply any weapons that would fall under the relevant international bans."

    From Russia officially but vaguely responded to Assad’s words about the S-300 and made an unofficial but clear hint
  • Truffoff
    Truffoff 31 May 2013 21: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    .Yes and it’s not clear where the complexes are now, in Syria or not.

    Yeah, that's what they told you .. Maybe there’s another place for you to show where they’re hidden, they’ll hide ??
    Counterintelligence is working. Don't believe me? Then throw off the photo of "Armata".
  • Mohomax
    Mohomax 1 June 2013 00: 17 New
    0
    Let them now think from NATO’s head, in fact, the Cold War didn’t stop; it went to a new level.
  • воронов
    воронов 1 June 2013 22: 14 New
    0
    Syrians at the complexes will be trusted only to control the pressure in the tires of the chassis laughing
  • Hudo
    Hudo 31 May 2013 08: 08 New
    +6
    Quote: Dima190579
    Oh, God forbid, of course, but I would like to see at least one peep at how the C-300 will beat dope out of NATO and Israel


    The first launch made by the S-300 complex is a war. Much more effective than the S-300 as a means of deterring the incontinence of democracy.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 31 May 2013 08: 14 New
      14
      But this is unlikely, the Turks were given a penny: they lost weight and that's all. Yes, for these "democratizers" the worst thing is combat losses, and the S-300 will provide them.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 08: 22 New
        +8
        Quote: kartalovkolya
        But this is unlikely, the Turks were given a nickle

        What do you compare the flight of one aircraft with a large-scale raid. Now it’s not clear who will get a nickel, but one thing is clear that will end with a grandiose warrior. All with everyone in the entire region.
        1. Vasya Ivanov
          Vasya Ivanov 31 May 2013 08: 34 New
          +5
          All with everyone in the entire region.
          Take it further, it will affect not only the region. A fire with a strong wind in dry weather is unpredictable. And this hour is such a weather.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 09: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: Vasya Ivanov
            Take it further, it will affect not only the region.

            First the region, then it will suck in the rest.
            1. Vasya Ivanov
              Vasya Ivanov 31 May 2013 09: 27 New
              +1
              First the region, then it will suck in the rest.
              I agree, it falls asleep so that no one would seem a little.
              1. sasha.28blaga
                sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 10: 35 New
                +6
                I absolutely agree that someone who knows how to suck and who does not know how to learn will suck. But we were not accustomed to bad things from childhood, we didn’t hold geyparads, we didn’t accept pederastic laws.
        2. Atlon
          Atlon 31 May 2013 09: 26 New
          15
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What do you compare the flight of one aircraft, with a large-scale raid.

          I'm not sure that due to new circumstances, a large-scale raid will take place ...

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It’s no longer clear who will get on a dime, but one thing is clear that will end with a grandiose warrior

          Even if there is such a raid (well, imagine!), Then after a large-scale "landing" of the raiders, only a nuclear strike is seen as safe. But this is unrealistic, due to the proximity to the affected area, American mongrels such as Israel, Qatar, Turkey and others like them. This means that one thing remains - a ground operation. This is yes, the war ... However, if in mind, you need to send specialists to sabotage air defense systems. But that's just fine. And how will it actually be? I mean, what is the purpose of the puppeteers? Maybe just a war between everyone and everyone? Then I won't be surprised if a "large-scale raid" is allowed under the S-300 knife. Can you imagine what kind of PR you can stir up? A lot of dead, Assad is demonized at the very least, the outraged public demands revenge ... Russia is the axis of evil, and so on. And in this meat grinder, Iran is being democratized on the sly. So anything can happen ... Let's see.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 09: 41 New
            +9
            Quote: Atlon
            I'm not sure that due to new circumstances, a large-scale raid will take place ...

            What other circumstances or do you think that the C 300 will save you from intervention? Losses will be greater, but the West will not give up its goals.
            Quote: Atlon
            Even if there is such a raid (well, let's imagine!), Then after a large-scale "landing" of the raiders,

            That's when at least one plane is shot down. Then talk about SCALE GROUNDINGS.
            Quote: Atlon
            only a nuclear strike is seen as safe. But this is unrealistic, due to the proximity to the affected area, American mongrels like Israel, Qatar,

            What are you talking about??? Syria has a lot of chemistry and its use in case of aggression will lead to a complete outage in Israel and everyone understands this. But this threat does not stop anyone.
            Quote: Atlon
            Maybe just a war of all with everyone?

            The whole US industry is a military industrial complex and the more bombs in the world explode, away from the US itself, the more US industry will receive orders. They think so. Plus, saving the dollar hi
            1. sasha.28blaga
              sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 10: 39 New
              +2
              What other circumstances or do you think that the C 300 will save you from intervention? Losses will be greater, but the West will not give up its goals.

              They thought so in Vietnam and Korea and in several other countries in Africa and the Pacific.
            2. Simon
              Simon 31 May 2013 19: 18 New
              +1
              The S-300 could very well save from the intervention, as NATO troops and amers are unlikely to fight without aviation support.
              1. ixsus
                ixsus 1 June 2013 01: 06 New
                0
                I agree with you, they are accustomed to go through the front door with the support of aviation (well, we will not forget about the land), all to break up !!! And here is no longer the lobby, there is already a back door with mousetraps !!!
                IHMO!
                Already several lost best planes (European and / or American (depending on which one is in service) may collapse their arms market) According to the articles from this site, it seems that their planes are NOT "the best".
                It should be understood which modifications of the S-300 (one is written, we send another) are delivered to them (it is clear that export, but ... the number of channels, firing range, detection range (antenna posts)). Spare parts, etc.
                Sincerely ...
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 31 May 2013 09: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: Atlon
            I'm not sure that due to new circumstances, a large-scale raid will take place ...


            The first one. There is still no confirmation that the S-300 delivered to Syria.
            Second, if they are to be neutralized, then not by aviation but by the Kyrgyz Republic, until the ammunition runs out in the S-300 launchers
            1. sasha.28blaga
              sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 10: 40 New
              +5
              How can it end, they have "a grandfather working at a shoe polish factory."
            2. Kirgudum
              Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 37 New
              -1
              Coming soon - in the form of a photo of the burned Israeli Phantoms.
              1. Professor
                Professor 31 May 2013 11: 47 New
                -2
                Quote: Kirgudum
                Coming soon - in the form of a photo of the burned Israeli Phantoms.

                They have long been withdrawn from service. request
                1. Kirgudum
                  Kirgudum 31 May 2013 12: 21 New
                  +4
                  I beg your pardon, I do not know very well the composition of the Israeli Air Force, although the Turkish Phantom was shot down. Then F14 and F-15, or whatever flies there ... But I hope it doesn't come to that - "Guys, let's live together!"
                  Syria will not attack Israel first - Assad is a smart person and understands that shelling civilian targets in Israel will give NATO an excellent reason to attack him, and there will not help any air defense - they will crush the mass, regardless of the losses.
                  And, if possible, to my words "it won't come to that" - just don't say something like "of course it won't come, because we are on the way (during putting on duty / when the operators get off) we will knock them out. Do you know the saying "Do not boast on the way to the army, but boast on the way from the army"?)
                  It was not for nothing that Netanyahu went to Moscow to bow to him with a request not to sell the S-300 if they could be "knocked out on the way" - it is unlikely that he began to waste time and miss the opportunity to make anti-advertising to Russian weapons, destroying them in Syria in battle.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 31 May 2013 12: 31 New
                    -13
                    Quote: Kirgudum
                    Syria will not attack Israel first

                    She does this already several times, about once a week. Each time it is documented and the corresponding note is transmitted to the UN.

                    Quote: Kirgudum
                    No wonder Netanyahu went to Moscow to ask him not to sell C-300

                    You and I were not at that meeting and Bibi could not only ask, but warn about the fate of these complexes if they were delivered.
                    1. Kirgudum
                      Kirgudum 31 May 2013 12: 57 New
                      +8
                      "about once a week" - do you think the provocative shelling of the Golan Heights by FSA militants as "Shelling of Syria"? Do you seriously think that this is the Syrian army doing this, risking that Israel will attack, as if the civil war inside the country is not enough for it?
                    2. Andrey57
                      Andrey57 31 May 2013 15: 31 New
                      +6
                      The last anecdote - "Almighty and terrible Bibi terribly scared Vovan !!!!!" laughing This moron can only draw pictures on a cardboard box at the UN, it is not for nothing that Obama applied a delicious epithet. laughing
                    3. IRBIS
                      IRBIS 31 May 2013 17: 35 New
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      You and I weren’t at that meeting and Bibi could not only ask

                      Sorry, maybe I'm not on the subject yet. Why do you call your MO Bibi? When I read this, I want to cry out: "Come on ... !!!"
                    4. Professor
                      Professor 31 May 2013 17: 37 New
                      0
                      Quote: IRBIS
                      Quote: Professor
                      You and I weren’t at that meeting and Bibi could not only ask

                      Sorry, maybe I'm not on the subject yet. Why do you call your MO Bibi? When I read this, I want to cry out: "Come on ... !!!"

                      Bibi-nickname Benjamin from the time of his service in special forces. Nickname MO - Boogie.
                  2. The master
                    The master 31 May 2013 22: 36 New
                    0
                    http://static.oper.ru/data/gallery/l1048755889.jpg
                2. sem40
                  sem40 7 June 2013 03: 21 New
                  -1
                  for general education it will be useful for you to know that foreign soldiers NEVER died for Israel. We don't need NATO. And we are not in this gang. Moreover, in 1999 Israel was presented with an ultimatum, the same as Serbia. According to the formula "either you make concessions ... or you will be bombed." The prime minister's answer was broadcast on television - "We are not Serbia ... We have something to answer. Of course we cannot defeat NATO, but you will lose all aviation here." I saw this broadcast. And I remember well that there were no more threats.
                  Learn materiel. You see Israel's "friends" where they are not and were not.
              2. Oberst_71
                Oberst_71 31 May 2013 12: 44 New
                +1
                By the way, yes! removed.
              3. FOX.
                FOX. 31 May 2013 12: 48 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                They have long been withdrawn from service

                Nothing, "dear" professor, this is not critical, I think that the F-18 will do, and the "300" will not choke on the Raptors.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 31 May 2013 13: 12 New
                  -6
                  Quote: FOX.
                  Nothing, "dear" professor, this is not critical, I think that the F-18 will do, and the "300" will not choke on the Raptors.

                  It is a pity to disappoint you, neither one nor the other in Israel either is not and never will be. wink
                  1. FOX.
                    FOX. 31 May 2013 13: 20 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Professor
                    neither one nor the other in Israel either is not and never will be.

                    I will not say that I am disappointed, but the news that Israel "is not and will not be" would give me even greater joy.
                  2. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 1 June 2013 00: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: FOX.

                    I will not say that I am disappointed, but the news that Israel "is not and will not be" would give me even greater joy.

                    I really didn’t want to react to your next rudeness, but since it directly concerns me and my loved ones, I will answer you: "You will not wait!"
                  3. GG2012
                    GG2012 1 June 2013 01: 26 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    I really didn’t want to react to your next rudeness, but ...

                    I really didn’t want to react ... but your statement sounds like a sergeant shouting on the parade ground ...
                    You did not mess up the pictures ?!
                    Therefore, I will answer you with all proletarian "politeness", ... WE WILL WAIT (!!!), ... Hondurasia, and NanoSexoGayBritania, and GayEuroPPa ...

                    So buy curlers! There will be what pace to reel on!
            3. GG2012
              GG2012 1 June 2013 01: 20 New
              -1
              Quote: FOX.
              Nothing, "dear"

              There is nothing more expensive than an old friend!
              Isn't it FOX ?!
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 31 May 2013 13: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: Atlon
        I'm not sure that due to new circumstances, a large-scale raid will take place ...


        The first one. There is still no confirmation that the S-300 delivered to Syria.
        Second, if they are to be neutralized, then not by aviation but by the Kyrgyz Republic, until the ammunition runs out in the S-300 launchers

        from KR S-300 (that object, that the army) protects the Shell (Tunguska) and Buk
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 31 May 2013 18: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        if they are to be neutralized, then not by aviation but by the Kyrgyz Republic, until the ammunition runs out in the C-300 launchers

        Our RDG ("commandos" in American style) and the amers in Iraq practiced a simple but extremely effective technique: shot from xnumx mm heavy sniper rifle destroyed the elements of the radar (magnetron antenna). D ambush shooting 1,5- 2 km. Groups of Israeli special forces are noted on the territory of the SAR. It is necessary to hide and guard the complex. This is a real threat.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 31 May 2013 09: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    one thing is clear that will end with a grandiose warrior.

    Good day to all! Why is there a war in the raid finale? History knows quite a few examples. Great countries have found ways to build up a retreat with a dignified look.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 10: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Why is there a war in the raid finale?

      Because they need a warrior and nothing else.
      Quote: Bort Radist
      History knows quite a few examples great countries have found ways

      You are talking about the Caribbean crisis, but then it was about the possible destruction of the United States, and now about the destruction of the region far from the United States. Do not back down!
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 31 May 2013 10: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Are you talking about the Caribbean crisis,

        Vietnam, for the time being, for the time being, America felt at ease in the air. And then the day of mourning crying
  • Manager
    Manager 31 May 2013 09: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    What do you compare the flight of one aircraft, with a large-scale raid.

    That's it. A massive airstrike, from an unexpected angle, will never stop such an insignificant amount from 300.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 31 May 2013 09: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: Manager
      Mass air raid


      Hi Maxim. UAVs and KR, pilots will be allowed to finish off as always
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 31 May 2013 19: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Manager
      Mass air raid, from an unexpected angle

      Is Assad so bad with air defense? No emergency facilities? No early warning system? If so, then, as my father used to say, "drain the material!"
      Quote: Manager
      will never stop such an insignificant amount with 300.

      It turns out that the complex is not included in the general air defense system of the country? The air defense is not echeloned, the complex is not guarded by Buki and Torah, Shilki and MANPADS. If this is so, then everything is very bad ... The Syrian officers who graduated from our higher educational institutions and the Air Defense Academy are worthless! Generally! what are our advisers doing there?
  • Simon
    Simon 31 May 2013 19: 14 New
    0
    The war is already underway and the Syrians will not be held back by the use of complexes against enemy aircraft, for them this is the price of life, they have already suffered so much from the bandit henchmen who scoff at their people.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 31 May 2013 09: 29 New
    +9
    Quote: Hudo
    The first launch made by the S-300 complex is a war.

    The war has been there for 2 years. And it will only intensify there regardless of whether the S-300 fires or does not fire. There is a lot of money invested in the war, but there is no return yet. Does anyone think that those who finance this war will give up their venture and prefer to lose everything that was invested, or will they still invest and go to the end?
  • yak69
    yak69 31 May 2013 09: 31 New
    13
    Quote: Hudo
    The first launch made by the S-300 complex is a war.

    The double feeling from this news. On the one hand, we began to clearly define our line (by degree of rigidity). On the other hand, it really is the BEGINNING of the WAR, which may be the last in the history of mankind. Everyone understands that this is not Syria fighting with bandits, this is a battle between two civilization systems: Russia, Orthodoxy, Common Sense on the one hand, and Degradation, Satanism and inhuman Malice on the other. If you go up to worldview generalizations, then this is Armageddon - the Battle of Light and Darkness.
    But if on a simple - Moment of Truth.
    Personally, I have no doubt for a moment in the Victory of Light over Darkness.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 31 May 2013 09: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: yak69
      Personally, I have no doubt for a moment in the Victory of Light over Darkness.

      Wow ... The only question is price ...
      1. yak69
        yak69 31 May 2013 11: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Atlon
        Wow ... The only question is price ...

        What is the price of an immortal human soul?
        It is priceless and self-existent, therefore any price (even the most terrible and painful) will always be lower than its (soul) real value. And since the Battle of Light and Darkness, then each of the living will have to decide on whose side he is. So consider .....
      2. Bekzat
        Bekzat 31 May 2013 11: 59 New
        +7
        Greetings to all, for Athlone, "We need one Victory, And for the price? And we will not stand for the price !!!"
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 10: 43 New
      +2
      Plusan ka i you.
    3. Phoenix s
      Phoenix s 31 May 2013 11: 31 New
      +1
      I wonder whose side in this war do you see Israel?
      1. Kirgudum
        Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 39 New
        +8
        Weird question. Look to whom Israel helps - Bachabites, Islamic fanatics, cannibals. Look at what he is interested in - weak Syria plunged into war and chaos, destroyed to such an extent. so that she would not be able to think about returning her lands - the Golan Heights - and answer for yourself on whose side Israel is Evil or Good.
        1. Toit
          Toit 31 May 2013 12: 27 New
          -20
          Quote: Kirgudum
          See Who Israel Helps - Wahhabi

          Wahhabism is the Shiite trend of Islam, the obvious representatives of the Shiites are Iran, Hezbollah, with a stretch you can write down the Assad Alawites.
          That is, according to your Israel helps Assad ???? !!!! Bravo!!!
          1. Kirgudum
            Kirgudum 31 May 2013 13: 00 New
            +5
            Troll - Go Out. Wahhabism is not really Islam, it’s like calling Satanism Christianity. You perfectly understand who I'm talking about - about the pseudo-Islamic fanatics-cannibals.
            Here.
            In short, either you add me to the black list, or in an hour I will do it myself. B..i, I still didn’t have enough trolls to feed, a supporter of cannibals, went out!
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 31 May 2013 13: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Toit
            Quote: Kirgudum
            See Who Israel Helps - Wahhabi

            Wahhabism is the Shiite trend of Islam, the obvious representatives of the Shiites are Iran, Hezbollah, with a stretch you can write down the Assad Alawites.

            From tyrnet:
            Wahhabism (from Arabic: الوهابية) is a religious and political movement in Islam that formed in the 1703th century. The term "Wahhabism" is named after the father of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab at-Tamimi (1792-1263), who is a follower of Ibn Taymiyyah (1328-XNUMX).

            As a rule, supporters of his ideas call themselves Salafis.

            Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab believed that true Islam was practiced only by the first three generations of the followers of the Prophet Muhammad (As-Salyaf al-Salih), and protested against all subsequent innovations, considering them brought from outside the bid.

            From the point of view of some ethnographers, Wahhabis are a relatively new trend, caused by the aggravation of socio-economic and political conditions between part of the Bedouin population, as well as part of religious figures, expressed as a protest against the wealth of urban residents and the rich. The movement also played a significant role in the war of liberation against Turkey.

            The movement was accepted by Prince Abdul-Aziz ibn Saud, subsequently the founder and first king Saudi Arabia (1932-1953). As a result, Wahhabism has become the dominant Islamic doctrine in this country. Now they call themselves “Salyafs”, although they themselves have the beliefs of the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab at-Tamimi.
          3. alicante11
            alicante11 31 May 2013 14: 24 New
            10
            M-yes, the Jews somehow crushed. They don’t even know how to lie.
      2. woin
        woin 1 June 2013 12: 28 New
        +2
        Israil i estj sAMO SLO:
    4. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra 31 May 2013 12: 27 New
      -2
      And then Orthodoxy? PGM?
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 10: 32 New
    +5
    The war has been going on, if I am not mistaken, since 1990 with Operation Desert Storm, when Gorbachev surrendered Iraq. Since then, in any conflict, we betray someone, we surrender. In fact, Syria is truly a stage in Russia's reconstruction. If even now, after so many efforts, we surrender, then kirdyk is inevitable along the entire length of the border of our vast Motherland.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 10: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      The war has been going on, if I am not mistaken, since 1990 with Operation Desert Storm, when Gorbachev surrendered Iraq

      so we also surrendered Iraq fool
    2. Bekzat
      Bekzat 31 May 2013 12: 02 New
      11
      For Sasha, "In fact, Syria is at the present stage of Russia's restoration.", And I will add, the Great Exam for Russia !!!
  • Vasya Ivanov
    Vasya Ivanov 31 May 2013 08: 26 New
    34
    Yesterday I threw off the photo, it will just be in the subject.
  • Rusich
    Rusich 31 May 2013 08: 56 New
    10
    To Raise THE SPIRIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Rusich
      Rusich 31 May 2013 09: 08 New
      +7
      We will partisan !!! ?????
      1. Malleus
        Malleus 31 May 2013 12: 13 New
        +3
        We will be. Yes, HOW we will.
  • LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 31 May 2013 09: 15 New
    +6
    Good morning everybody!

    C-300 - think about democratizing Syria three hundred times


    - I would not only think With 300 times, but With 400 and With 500 times !!! soldier
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 31 May 2013 09: 48 New
      +2
      Uh minusers! what is the minus? comments off topic is it?
      1. Rink
        Rink 31 May 2013 15: 16 New
        +7
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Uh minusers! what is the minus? comments off topic is it?

        It’s the Jews you are minus, don’t be surprised ...
        They are trolling for work here.
        "Business, nothing personal!"
        1. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 1 June 2013 02: 41 New
          0
          already managed to think that supposedly sinned where in his post))
      2. ixsus
        ixsus 1 June 2013 02: 36 New
        0
        Like me, too, trolls (but not here) Positive people plyusanuli, so what do you +!
  • Esso
    Esso 31 May 2013 09: 16 New
    15
    The S-300 must be covered with shells and Elite units, in order to prevent sabotage, I would cut off the heads of the dead bandits in the place of the Syrian military and put them on stakes in the places where they penetrate the border, let them admire what awaits them (although this is barbarism) , this is not the opposition, these people act worse than the Nazis, the West itself has become a fascist!
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 10: 54 New
      +1
      Kesarev Kesarev
    2. Kirgudum
      Kirgudum 31 May 2013 12: 11 New
      +1
      I think Russia is not going to take S-300s to Syria without covering them with "Shells".
    3. smprofi
      smprofi 31 May 2013 13: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Esso
      S-300 must be covered with shells

      Yeah, it was on the "Shell" I would "put", with its performance characteristics
      for ZRPK "Pantsir-S1":
      detection (!) of a target by the effective scattering area (EPR) of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system 2 m1 (with SOC S - XNUMX mXNUMX)
      now look at the RCS of some of the "any" targets:
      B-52 - 100 m² (after modernization reduced to 40 m²)
      F-16C, F-18C - 1,2 m²
      Eurofighter - 0,25-0,75 m²
      F-35 JSF - 0,005 m²
      B-2, F-22 - 0,01 - 0,001 m²
      BGM-109 Tomahawk - 0,1 m²

      for example: ZR S-300V Antey-300 (GRAU MO index - 9K81) is guaranteed to work on purpose with an ESR of 0,02 m²

      ZRPK "Pantsir-S1" hitting a target at a range of 12 km and an altitude of 8 km - well, except with helicopters to fight
      practical ceiling of some aircraft:
      B-52 - 16 m
      F-16C - 17 m
      F-18C - 15 m
      Eurofighter - 19 m
      F-35 JSF - 18 m
      B-2 - 15 m
      F-22 - 20 m

      Is it really not clear what the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system is capable of?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 31 May 2013 14: 25 New
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        And if you give him target designation from Passive radars or from the same C-300 radar?
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 31 May 2013 15: 05 New
          -3
          Quote: alicante11
          And if you give him target designation

          and this "if" is technically implemented? those. not in the voice "Okhapkin, pick up the phone", but directly data entry.
          but even that’s not the point, detection is half the battle, for guiding missiles / missiles and hitting a target it is necessary that the tracking radar sees the target. but this is not there.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 2 June 2013 15: 32 New
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            It is implemented. At what a very long time. True, earlier active radars of target detection were also used. But they themselves are vulnerable to PRR. The primary target designation is issued by passive radars, and immediately before launch, for the necessary time, the radar of the air defense system itself is turned on.
      2. Rink
        Rink 31 May 2013 15: 23 New
        +8
        Quote: smprofi
        Is it really not clear what the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system is capable of?

        The purpose of the Carapace is to cover objects. Raptors and Eurofighters are handled by C300. And the Shell lands on the approach what they shoot with. The carapace removes air-to-ground missiles, cruise missiles. The carapace will take care of the helicopters. F18 will not disdain, of course, if he, gape, finds himself in the affected area of ​​this cannon rocket complex.

        wink
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 31 May 2013 15: 47 New
          -3
          Quote: Skating rink
          The carapace removes air-to-ground missiles, cruise missiles.

          belay
          HOW can he do it? he just won’t see them, WILL NOT !!!
          Is it really difficult to compare the data on the performance characteristics of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system with the EPR of at least the KR, not to mention the simple air-to-ground missiles of the AGM-65 Maverick type (there are even fewer)
          1. Rink
            Rink 31 May 2013 16: 16 New
            +8
            Quote: smprofi
            HOW can he do it? he just won’t see them, WILL NOT !!!

            Yes, he can, and easily.
            The characteristics that you wrote down above are complete crap.
            I don’t know where you got them from; for the Shell, other figures are closer to the truth:

            Target and missile tracking station
            Maximum target detection range, km:
            - with EPR = 2m2 24km
            - with EPR = 0.03m2 7km

            ... High tactical and technical characteristics of the Pantsir-S1 complex, the implementation of the accepted principles of construction and technical solutions for the fixed assets of the complex, ensure it high combat effectiveness in repulsing massive strikes of air attack weapons with the use of precision weapons, amounting to at least 90-99%.

            ... Target tracking is carried out in the IR range of 3-5 microns, which ensures the daily use of rocket weapons in the optical mode. The range of auto tracking (with a meteorological range of 10 km) is: F-16 - 17-26 km; PRR HARM - 13-15km; KR ALCM - 11-14km.

            ___________
            Source http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/panz/panz.shtml


            However, the true characteristics of Russian complexes are never published. What is indicated in the open press is usually underestimated - this has been the custom since Soviet times.
            In the same way, the characteristics of American technology are usually overstated. (Nothing can be done - advertising! "A little lie for better sales never hurts")
          2. Dimka off
            Dimka off 31 May 2013 17: 15 New
            +5
            he can do it. Recall the case of the F-117 in Yugoslavia. His EPR is somewhere 0,025 somewhere 0,01. And he was shot down by the S-125 system, according to another version of the Kub air defense system. Although this is not important in this case. It is important that the plane with such a small RCS was shot down by outdated systems. So what can we say about modern ones then? Naturally, even an object made according to the stealth system will be knocked down by the Pantsir, provided, as already noted, that this object will enter the zone of destruction of this air defense missile system.
            1. Rink
              Rink 31 May 2013 18: 29 New
              +5
              Quote: Dimka off
              Recall the case of the F-117 in Yugoslavia. He has EPR somewhere writing 0,025 somewhere 0,01

              Stealth technologies are not equally effective for different radio emission bands. Building an aircraft that is equally invisible in all ranges is simply unrealistic. American stealth vehicles have a reduced RCS in a rather narrow band. It is enough to use a radar operating in a different range to make this "invisible" visible.
              What ran into F117 in Yugoslavia.

              Such meager ESRs, as the Americans give for their super-aircraft, may be there (I did not measure it myself), but only at the most optimal frequency for them. And who said that our air defense will work precisely in this range?
              And besides, you can talk about passive radar, when an array of radars connected to a network monitors changes in the radio environment. "Invisible" does not absorb radio waves, but simply reflects them in the other direction. The world is now saturated with radiation sources, starting from GSM repeaters - you can't suppress everything. And the array of passive radars, reflected from invisible waves from all these civilian sources, is enough to "see" a dummy who considers himself invisible. Plus, passive radar is nearly impossible to detect and suppress.

              Naive Americans think that if they took the mathematical apparatus from the Russians for constructing invisibility (from the works of the Soviet scientist Ufimtsev, the Yankees themselves could not solve this problem), now the Russians will not be able to figure out how to see these invisible ones ?!
              Zadornov was right, oh right ...
          3. Locksmith
            Locksmith 31 May 2013 17: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: smprofi
            AK can he do it? he just won’t see them, WILL NOT !!!

            EPR is important for FAR targets, and to shoot at a target at a distance of 3-8 km, what kind of EPR does it have, especially since the shells also have an optical guidance system. The S-300 has its own guidance station and it will gladly share it with Pantsir " obtained "information where the bastards climb and how many there are. wink
          4. Simon
            Simon 31 May 2013 19: 31 New
            +1
            And what to look at them - they need to shoot down. laughing
          5. old man54
            old man54 2 June 2013 18: 35 New
            0
            Then the question is: why is the Pantsir-C1 being put into service in the Russian Federation, if everything is so sad?
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 3 June 2013 01: 40 New
              0
              Yes, they just did not go to the topvar, did not listen to local trolls and did not know what kind of bullshit it was :).
        2. Dimka off
          Dimka off 31 May 2013 17: 07 New
          +2
          this is the correct remark.
      3. Simon
        Simon 31 May 2013 19: 29 New
        0
        The carapace can not only shoot down low-flying aircraft, but also missiles fired from them and even bombs.
      4. Esso
        Esso 31 May 2013 20: 50 New
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        the purpose of the carapace is to cover the s-300 from missiles, to shoot down those missiles that cannot be shot down by the s-300! If everything is so bad in your opinion, why are the Americans and the Israelites fidgeting on their priests! We are used to attacking the weak, let them try!
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 31 May 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    That would be Migov of 100 stuff and Sushi of 50 stuff + XU NUMX stuff of 34 ..... Then Israel can forget about the air operation for 100 years ........... Oh dreams dreams ..... .
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 31 May 2013 09: 50 New
      11
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      That would be Migov pieces 100 and sushki pieces 50 + su 34 pieces 100.


      In the Russian army it is desirable, instead of our junk
      1. dc120mm
        dc120mm 31 May 2013 11: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        In the Russian army it is desirable

        Are you sorry for your resource? You must be interested so that the Syrian army won without launching the S-300 and without your military. But you, on the contrary, dream that your guys fought there.
        1. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 31 May 2013 12: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: dc120mm
          And you, on the contrary, dream that your guys fought there.


          - in fact, no one dreams !!!

          On the contrary, our dreams are to solve everything without the intervention of anyone's troops.
        2. Simon
          Simon 31 May 2013 19: 35 New
          0
          Our troops will not be there, and the Syrians have already been trained.
        3. alicante11
          alicante11 2 June 2013 15: 53 New
          0
          In fact, a couple of hundred advisers will fight in Syria better than a couple of tens of thousands of conscripts in the Caucasus.
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 31 May 2013 14: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        In the Russian army it is desirable, instead of our junk

        It goes without saying that our army needs it, but it’s better to have Assad in Syria than henchmen of the West in the form of radicals who will then trample on us, for this he must have good air defense, air defense is not only ground-based systems, but also an air component in the form of fighters, and of bombers, capable of trampling the enemy’s military-industrial complex.
    2. Atrix
      Atrix 31 May 2013 12: 59 New
      -2
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      That would be Migov of 100 stuff and Sushi of 50 stuff + XU NUMX stuff of 34 ..... Then Israel can forget about the air operation for 100 years ........... Oh dreams dreams ..... .

      From the beginning you find them in the Russian army in such quantities, and then supply them somewhere
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 31 May 2013 15: 27 New
        0
        You on Wiki, you will find everything there. Su-34 is already 27 is + 124 — 140 is ordered by 2020.
        twink-29 - 310 pieces. Su 30, 35 - each in 10 pieces + order.
        su- 27 - 400 pieces, etc. Everything is slowly going on.
    3. Rink
      Rink 31 May 2013 15: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      That would be Migov of 100 stuff and Sushi of 50 stuff + XU NUMX stuff of 34 ..... Then Israel can forget about the air operation for 100 years ........... Oh dreams dreams ..... .


      RSK MiG expects to supply the Syrian Air Force with more than 10 MiG-29 M / M2 fighters, negotiations are currently underway in Moscow, said Sergei Korotkov, General Director of RSK MiG. ... "
      http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2013/05/31/mig-vedet-peregovory-o-postavkah-v-siriju-i
      strebitelej-mig-29-m-m2-20827.html
  • Rink
    Rink 31 May 2013 10: 55 New
    12
    Quote: Dima190579
    Oh, God forbid, of course, but I would like to see with just one eye how C-300 will be foolish of NATO and Israel. Well, very interesting.

    They will not, I hope. I would not want the conflict to develop to such an extent.

    But some members of the forum are right: it is too early to experience euphoria. This is just a tactical victory, only one episode is won, and not the situation as a whole.

    The best Western analysts are now looking for new approaches, workarounds and moves. If you calm down and sit on what has been achieved, they will still find something that will help them still arrange a coup and devastation in Syria.

    They in Syria shut up their strategic game.
    "Controlled chaos", "fire belt" around Russia. The West itself does not want to fight with Russia. They conceived to stir up the Islamists, bring them to power, give them strength, arm and set them against Russia. Just like they are fighting in Syria, by proxy. "War by proxy".
    This alone explains why the Catholic West is so tolerant of Islamists. They consider themselves terribly cunning, and think that they will be able to control this bull terrier, which they are going to lower from the leash.

    Whether it works out or not is another question, but the fact that all plans in Syria are crumbling is a fact. The fact that they have not yet matured a wave of their hand and retreat is also a fact. If they leave Assad alone, then it turns out that the support of the Albanians in Serbia, the war in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Egypt, Libya - all this was in vain, in vain; and they can’t get to Iran. And Iran is access to the Caspian. This is already Russia.

    Drink champagne early!
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 31 May 2013 11: 40 New
      +6
      To retreat for all this pack is to admit defeat, and after all the money is swollen, my mother does not worry, and a lot is at stake.
      Israel’s militancy cannot be doubted either, if only because at the moment it’s one of the combat-ready armies, because they constantly plunge into conflicts, but now that their vile antics will (hopefully) have consequences for them, it’s also an undeniable fact.
      Look how the statement on the supply of C-300 influenced, now both Lebanon and Iraq (a little earlier) are determined to acquire Russian weapons. Probably many understood that acquiring NATO weapons, there are no guarantees that it will save from the same NATO aggression (after all, they only sell what they can easily destroy themselves later).
      The most important thing is that this whole mess of NATO, Israel, Turkey and the rabble in Syria only rallied the people with the president and Assad receives even more support from ordinary people, otherwise he would not have been able to withstand all this riffraff for two years.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 31 May 2013 11: 26 New
    +4
    Israel is going to destroy the Syrian S-300 before being put on combat duty



    RIA Novosti news agency, citing Israeli media, publishes a statement by the head of the Israeli National Security Council, Jacob Amidror, which he made at a private briefing with the participation of European diplomats. Amidror said that the Israeli army was going to destroy the S-300 immediately after their arrival in Syria, but before being put on combat duty.

    The Israeli and Western authorities believe that the S-300 in the hands of the Syrian army "destabilizes the situation in the region." At the same time, anti-aircraft missile systems are a defensive weapon and simply strengthens Syria's position in the region, which Israel does not want to allow.

    The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has repeatedly noted that the supply of S-300 air defense systems is a deterrent that prevents external intervention in the Syrian conflict. At a press conference on May 28, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov was unable to confirm or deny information that S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems were already delivered to Syria.

    It is worth noting that the European Union lifted the embargo on offensive weapons in anticipation of a peace conference. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu noted on this occasion that Russia, too, now may not consider itself bound by any restrictions on arms supplies to Syria.
    1. Kirgudum
      Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 41 New
      14
      Is Israel going? A pig can eat 12 kilograms of black caviar at a time. But who will give her ...
    2. Rink
      Rink 31 May 2013 11: 56 New
      +8
      Quote: Sith Lord
      Israel is going to destroy the Syrian S-300 before being put on combat duty
      This statement is pure bluff. They take it for a cannon, only there are no cartridges in the "cannon". The C300s will go to the place of deployment under the cover of the Shells (and maybe not only, if ours supply the complexes, they will probably take care that they get to their destination), and the C300s themselves have the time to deploy from the marching position to the combat position does not exceed 5 minutes.

      However, well ...
      If you really want to - let them try.
      Even if the "cut off" missile launches are made from the Lebanese airspace, they will not get the C300. And if they enter the territory of Syria, they can immediately write off both the pilots and the equipment.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 31 May 2013 20: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Skating rink
        Even if ... missile launches are from Lebanon's airspace, they cannot get the C300

        But C-300 can reach the aggressor even over Lebanese territory. This is precisely what Izikov does not like. It's one thing to shoot like in a dash, it's another thing when the S-300 radar sees Israeli planes taking off from their airfields! By the way, the aggressor can be punished when landing at your airfield, if the range allows. So, for Iziks it is clearly "not ICE!"
        1. Professor
          Professor 31 May 2013 20: 11 New
          -7
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          It’s one thing to shoot like a dash, another thing when the S-300 radar sees Israeli planes take off from their airfields!

          Do not enlighten from which particular aerodromes? It is not so difficult, there are not a dozen of them.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 1 June 2013 15: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Do not enlighten from which particular aerodromes? It is not so difficult, there are not a dozen of them.

            Actually, this is not my theater of VD, but what can you do for a vis-a-vis like you, dear.
            The Israeli Air Force website points to 11 air bases. The country's aerodrome network comprises 57 aerodromes of which 54 is paved.
            The closest to Syria is AB Ramat David (near the city of Afula), where 1 aerofoil is based, consisting of 3 F-16 air squadrons. The airbase is located in the Jezreel Valley at an altitude of 56m above sea level, has 3 runways up to 2500m long. Coordinates: latitude - 32 * 39.54 "s., Longitude - 35 * 10.46" in. (Iaf.org.il)
            AB cover mountains to take off need to rise above them.
            Takeoff towards the sea can be controlled by the MRZK of a friendly country, as was the case during the Vietnam War. So, if you wish, you can "see" your planes.
            The normal calculation of the UAV "Tunguska", "Shilka", or "Needle-10" will count "and - again!"
            1. Professor
              Professor 1 June 2013 16: 11 New
              -1
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Coordinates: latitude - 32 * 39.54 "s., Longitude - 35 * 10.46" in. (Iaf.org.il)

              Beautifully started. Look at Ramat David at Google Earth, the northernmost airfield. It is reliably covered from Syria by the Golan Heights and Mount Hermon (2400 m). Israeli troops sit on Mount Hermon and view Syrah hundreds of kilometers inland, and not vice versa. Therefore, none of the Israeli AB Syrian S-300 are not afraid and they will not see anyone on take-off.

              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              AB cover the mountains, to take off you need to rise above them.

              This is not true. Golan is a narrow segment just covering Israel from Syria. The Jordanian mountains perform the same function.

              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              The normal calculation of the UAV "Tunguska", "Shilka", or "Needle-10" will count "and - again!"

              Doesn't take off at all. Recall the complaints of General Shamanov?
              1. Kirgudum
                Kirgudum 1 June 2013 23: 43 New
                +1
                Professor, yes this Shalamov was given to you. Why did UAVs fly over the 58th Army? Yes, because they poked through and did not give them an escort of a short-range air defense system of the "Pantsir" type. And now we are looking at the same "Shell" - it destroyed the E-95 target from a distance, as far as I remember, 7 kilometers. The EPR of this target is only 0,15. Well, I think you saw the video with the destruction of the drone by the Russian MiG, so your drones are not so invulnerable.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 2 June 2013 11: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kirgudum
                  Professor, this Shalamov was given to you.

                  Only not Shalamov, but the hero of Russia respected by me, General Shamanov.

                  Quote: Kirgudum
                  And now we are looking at the same "Shell" - it is being tested ...

                  Stop! Is this the one who missed the real bombing of the suburbs of Damascus? So much for the test ...
                  1. Kirgudum
                    Kirgudum 2 June 2013 18: 34 New
                    0
                    Professor, why did you decide that "Pantsir" was there at all? Photo "Armor" near Damascus in the studio, I'm waiting.
                    And you did not take into account the political factor - it is no secret that Assad, fearing provocations from Israel, such as "Syria insidiously attacked our planes while we peacefully bombed their cities", could have given the order not to open fire on Israeli planes yet. It was the same with the Turkish F-4 - it was not immediately shot down.

                    And by the way, I apologize for the offtopic, I don’t want to rummage through the comments, otherwise my computer is already hanging, but still answer - what evidence is there for your assertion that Assad Jr. financed the terrorist attack at the disco?

                    And - why did you even decide that the missiles in the bombed-out warehouses were intended for Hezbollah? Is there any real evidence for this, other than the allegations of the Israeli military?
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 2 June 2013 18: 45 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Kirgudum
                      Professor, why did you decide that "Pantsir" was there at all? Photo "Armor" near Damascus in the studio, I'm waiting.

                      In general, the supply of shells to Syria is an absolutely open infa, which was recognized by both Syria and Russia. There were numerous links in previous posts, look for find
                      Quote: Kirgudum
                      And you did not take into account the political factor - it is no secret that Assad, fearing provocations from Israel, such as "Syria insidiously attacked our planes while we peacefully bombed their cities", could have given the order not to open fire on Israeli planes yet.

                      Only a question - then you need air defense? If Assad is so stupid. so as not to shoot down planes in its airspace (although they still trumpeted that they shot down and captured two pilots. though they still haven’t shown one or the other) - wonderful. let it remain. c-300 (if it receives 0, it will not start either - it would be worth it not to succumb to provocation laughing
                      Quote: Kirgudum
                      Assad Jr. financed the attack at the disco?

                      The headquarters of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, were in Damascus (before the events), receiving everything from Syria, from financing to training facilities

                      Quote: Kirgudum
                      And - why did you even decide that the missiles in the bombed-out warehouses were intended for Hezbollah? Is there any real evidence for this, other than unfounded
                      Israeli military claims?

                      Do you have any evidence other than Assad’s allegations?
                    2. alicante11
                      alicante11 3 June 2013 02: 04 New
                      0
                      In general, the supply of shells to Syria is an absolutely open infa, which was recognized by both Syria and Russia. There were numerous links in previous posts, look for find


                      Are you or are you pretending? After all, you were clearly told that these complexes might not have been on "these" objects. In general, Armor, rather than this, cover the position of the S-200. Was at least one of them impressed? Now, if you have evidence that it was the affected objects that were dried out by the Shells. Then - great.

                      Only a question - then you need air defense? If Assad is so stupid. so as not to shoot down planes in its airspace (although they still trumpeted that they shot down and captured two pilots. though they still haven’t shown one or the other) - wonderful. let it remain. c-300 (if it receives 0, it will not start either - it would be worth it not to succumb to provocation


                      But this is trollism. If I hadn’t answered, I would have minusanul. Although it’s like a dead poultice to you :).
                      It has long been said that the attack was from Lebanese airspace. And I imagine what kind of howl you personally raised if your flying predators were not shot down over Syrian territory. This, mil-chel provocation, is called.

                      The headquarters of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, were in Damascus (before the events), receiving everything from Syria, from financing to training facilities


                      They ask you about a specific terrorist attack. And if the chief executives of the "Chechens" live in London, they are received in Washington, they use American weapons and equipment, why should we bomb Washington, London? If this happens, will you personally support our policy?

                      Do you have any evidence other than Assad’s allegations?


                      But what about the presumption of innocence? I’ll say right now that the Jews themselves organized the Lochocost and prove to me that this is not so. You can’t prove it. So the way it is? You talked about Lebanese weapons, and that's for you to prove.
                    3. atalef
                      atalef 3 June 2013 17: 49 New
                      0
                      Quote: alicante11
                      . In general, the armor, rather than this, covers the position of the S-200. At least one of them was struck?

                      Maybe of course it is. laughing
                      Shells cover s-200 .s-200-shells, but generally thought the air defense should not allow the attack of the enemy air force. The rest is for shkolota. Were on those objects, not on those, covered one or the other. Fact one Israeli Air Force raided Damascus, 10 km from the presidential palace. it was bombed and flew away without loss. And the fact that the air defense covered some jerboas in the desert. Well let's laugh together

                      Quote: alicante11
                      that the shells dried out precisely the affected objects

                      All air defense slipped - along with s- (different) Shells and Beeches, everything else does not play a role. The fact is that if there were no Shell, Bukov, and generally all air defense in Syria, the result would be the same.

                      Quote: alicante11
                      It has long been said that the attack was from Lebanese airspace. And I imagine what kind of howl you personally raised if your flying predators were not shot down over Syrian territory.

                      Did you even look at the map? Distances there etc. Damascus in visibility (visual) from the Golan Heights. Distance 60 km. If they cannot track planes for 60 km - why the hell do you need air defense. By the way, 3 previous times were bombed with a call to the territory of Syria. The result is the same. I think the same thing this time. It’s just necessary, like Syrian air defense, to report to the people. It seems that the rays of the radar across the border do not interrupt.

                      Quote: alicante11
                      You are asked about a specific terrorist attack.

                      Let me give you a small example - the Dolphinarium. Organized by Hamas (10 years ago) .Then they were still sitting in Damascus. They blew up a disco. Mostly Russian-speaking teenagers aged 16-19 died, by the way, many of them are Russian citizens. Yes, I forgot, another 120 wounded, many became disabled for life.
                      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82_%D1%83_%D0%B4%

                      D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B8_%C2%AB%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D

                      1%84%D0%B8%C2%BB
                      List of the dead [edit]

                      Maria Tagiltseva - 14 years
                      Evgenia Dorfman - 15 years
                      Raisa Nemirovskaya - 15 years
                      Julia Sklyanik - 15 years
                      Anna Kazachkova - 15 years
                      Katherine Castañada - 15 years
                      Irina Nepomnyashchaya - 16 years
                      Maryana Medvedenko - 16 years
                      Liana Sahakyan - 16 years
                      Marina Berkovskaya - 17 years
                      Simon Rudin - 17 years
                      Julia Nalimova - 16 years
                      Elena Nalimova - 18 years
                      Irina Osadchaya - 18 years
                      Alexey Lupalo - 17 years
                      Ilya Gutman - 19 years
                      Sergey Panchenko - 20 years
                      Roman Dzhanashvili - 21 year
                      Diaz Nurmanov - 21 year
                      Ian Bloom - Xnumx Years
                      Uri Shahar - 32 of the Year

                      more evidence?
                2. Professor
                  Professor 2 June 2013 20: 50 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Kirgudum
                  Professor, why did you decide that "Pantsir" was there at all? Photo "Armor" near Damascus in the studio, I'm waiting.

                  Receive and sign.
                3. Kirgudum
                  Kirgudum 3 June 2013 17: 12 New
                  0
                  Why did you decide that this is Syria? The source of the picture in the studio.
                  In addition - even if so, the fighters could let go just to prevent Israel from starting an operation to support the Islamists in Syria (which you would call an operation to prevent chemical weapons from falling into the hands of bandits or something like that).
                4. Professor
                  Professor 3 June 2013 21: 28 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Kirgudum
                  Why did you decide that this is Syria? The source of the picture in the studio.

                  Do not run for cigarettes? wassat

                  Quote: Kirgudum
                  In addition - even if so, the fighters could let go just to prevent Israel from starting an operation to support the Islamists in Syria (which you would call an operation to prevent chemical weapons from falling into the hands of bandits or something like that).


                  I would cheat on them in the brain, says a nerd beaten by hooligans, but I don’t want to get involved ... laughing

                  Another photo "not from Damascus" on the road.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 1 June 2013 23: 47 New
        +2
        I parry.
        1. I wrote that "AB cover the mountains," you described exactly how.
        2. So I wrote about AB Ramat-David, and you suggest me to look at him again ...
        3. "Advisers" will establish normal round-the-clock duty of DOS and all takeoffs of your aircraft will be timely detected.
        4. There is also "Pantsir-1S" with its mm-radar, optoelectronic target search, detection and tracking system, there are 12 missiles and 2 X 30mm cannons. I guess the "Avenger" with his speed will not be comme il faut.
        5. Shamanov talked about "Arrows" with their IK GOS. "Needles" is a completely different MANPADS, the heat signature is one of the slogans ... So you can smoke bamboo and think hard before getting involved in a large-scale adventure.
        If a bonfire breaks out, we will have to check our latest developments in practice against state toys and your souvenirs, it seems to me.
        1. Professor
          Professor 2 June 2013 11: 07 New
          -2
          We apparently communicate in different languages. request
          The mountains cover Ramat David from Syria, therefore, the Syrians and advisers are not able to monitor takeoffs and landings at any ABOI AB. What the Shell is capable of, we have already managed to make sure, now they scare the S-300. Shamanov complained of impunity for Georgian UAVs. He never heard of other air defense systems? Would he be denied these complexes?
          1. Kirgudum
            Kirgudum 2 June 2013 18: 39 New
            0
            What the Shell is capable of has already managed to make sure the pilot of a Turkish fighter shot down by him)))
            And under Damascus there was either no Shell, or they didn’t open the igron - for political reasons, so as not to provoke a foul neighbor, being a step away from defeating the bandits.
            1. Professor
              Professor 2 June 2013 20: 46 New
              -1
              Quote: Kirgudum
              What the Shell is capable of has already managed to make sure the pilot of a Turkish fighter shot down by him)))

              I listened to the ring, but I don’t know where he is. The ancient phantom was not shot down by the Shell.

              Quote: Kirgudum
              And under Damascus there was either no Shell, or they didn’t open the igron - for political reasons, so as not to provoke a foul neighbor, being a step away from defeating the bandits.
        2. atalef
          atalef 2 June 2013 18: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          So I wrote about AB Ramat-David, and you suggest that I look at him again ..

          Today, it was there (Migdal Emek) From all sides of the mountain, Galilee (North) Carmel Ridge (from the South) The Israeli valley in the east rests on the island of Kineret and, accordingly, in the Golan Heights, but from the west - the sea and Haifa. By the way, not far from Ramat = David, Mount Megida is located (Har Megido) (Armagedon - in Christianity)
          Like Mount Tavor, Nazareth and the Wadi Ara, according to which Jesus seems to come to Jerusalem upon coming.
  • Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 31 May 2013 12: 50 New
    +1
    they turn around quickly! the question is in combat calculations.
  • Locksmith
    Locksmith 31 May 2013 17: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Sith Lord
    Israel is going to destroy the Syrian S-300 before being put on combat duty
    And who is stopping the deployment of the C300 in a port or near our base = that Israel’s gut will attack Russia? wink
  • Kirgudum
    Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 34 New
    0
    They won’t - now Israel will not attack Syria - is afraid. No wonder Netanyahu came to bow to Putin.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 31 May 2013 11: 48 New
    +8
    Fresh video from Syria

    Positioning
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 May 2013 12: 25 New
      -5
      Thank you for the video. I especially liked the Caterpiller D-7 bulldozer in the service of Assad's army. The question is, where is the standard engineering equipment?
      1. FOX.
        FOX. 31 May 2013 13: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        The question is where is the standard engineering equipment?

        Perhaps there are so many combat units that there is simply not enough staff "engineer" and conscientious Syrian patriots came to the aid of their defenders. In my opinion, everything is logical. Or is this fact strange for you ?!
        1. Professor
          Professor 31 May 2013 13: 15 New
          -8
          It is strange that engineering equipment is not enough, and according to the staffing it should be like the Russian army, it is just as strange that it turns out that America is arming Assad, and urapatriots missed this fact.
          1. FOX.
            FOX. 31 May 2013 13: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            it turns out that America is arming Assad, and the urapatriots missed this fact.

            I will not speak for the "urapatriots", but personally I do not care at all whose equipment or weapons will be used in defending a just cause. By the way, when I was in the service, I periodically had to use captured weapons and vehicles. Or after that you will say that the United States armed the Soviet Army ?!
      2. alexkross83
        alexkross83 31 May 2013 14: 02 New
        0
        There is an answer ... soon ... will be :-)
      3. alexkross83
        alexkross83 31 May 2013 14: 02 New
        0
        There is an answer ... soon ... will be :-)
      4. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 2 June 2013 17: 20 New
        0
        But besides the tractor, have you noticed anything else? So the zapadenschik, too, except the noble bandits, no longer sees anyone at point blank range.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 31 May 2013 13: 15 New
    +1
    Thanks for the article, it’s good to translate it into English and distribute it in social networks and in Western forums.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 31 May 2013 23: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Dima190579
    Oh, God forbid, of course, but I would like to see with just one eye how C-300 will be foolish of NATO and Israel. Well, very interesting.

    Eh. Not so simple. To reflect the raid of a large number of aircraft and cruise missiles, a lot of things are needed. Even if we put these complexes in, they won’t do the weather there.
    Another is dangerous. In the history of Russia there have been many cases of drawing our country into the war. This retraction as a rule initiated the West to please its selfish interests in weakening our country. Now this is exactly the case. God forbid we get in there - it will have disastrous consequences for our country.
  • UPStoyan
    UPStoyan 31 May 2013 07: 55 New
    0
    The title of the article speaks for itself.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 May 2013 08: 05 New
    +2
    Let at least C-300 cool the overheated heads of the mericatos and ALL of these goats with them.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 31 May 2013 08: 07 New
    +2
    Of course, the news is good, but the supply of offensive weapons to other Arab countries looks strange. And I must say to not quite friendly Syria. And then yell: "Where did these terrorists get the latest weapons that our army does not yet have?"
    1. Veter
      Veter 31 May 2013 08: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      but the deliveries of offensive weapons to other Arab countries look strange

      Are you talking about anti-tank systems and Jordan? So it smells of treason.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 31 May 2013 08: 26 New
        0
        RPG will be produced in Jordan
        1. Veter
          Veter 31 May 2013 08: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          RPG will be produced in Jordan

          What's the difference? Still, "Yars" in the United States began to produce under license.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 31 May 2013 08: 55 New
            -1
            Quote: Veter
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            RPG will be produced in Jordan

            What's the difference? Still, "Yars" in the United States began to produce under license.

            Well, how do you explain. request The RPG shooter has fewer chances of surviving and defeating armored vehicles times 5 than the ATGM operator.
            1. Veter
              Veter 31 May 2013 09: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Well, how do you explain. request The RPG shooter has a 5 times less chance of surviving and defeating armored vehicles than the ATGM operator.


              Yes, I'm not talking about that. The fact of production.
            2. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 31 May 2013 09: 50 New
              +2
              Well, not in 5 times, you turned down, a competent shooter, even on an RPG, even on an ATGM will hit armored vehicles. And meat, at least for ATGM at least for RPGs, will have one result.
            3. Dimka off
              Dimka off 31 May 2013 17: 25 New
              0
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              The RPG shooter has fewer chances of surviving and defeating armored vehicles times 5 than the ATGM operator.

              depending on where and how. ATGM is more convenient in open areas, in the city it can be used - but it will be problematic - it can not be put everywhere and in size it is larger than RPG. And RPG, on the contrary, is more convenient precisely for urban battles - small dimensions, the ability to shoot from the shoulder from any window and slit - these are its advantages.
        2. Kirgudum
          Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 42 New
          +1
          Aaron, and this is duplicity - for the sake of money they gave the enemies of Syria one of the most effective means of destroying tanks today. Already today in Syria are fighting RPG-29 "Vampire", which Russia sold to Jordan.
  • Denis
    Denis 31 May 2013 08: 07 New
    +4
    refused to supply S-300 air defense systems to Syria, because these same systems will clearly interfere with the "democratization" of the country under the strict guidance of the United States, Great Britain, and Israel
    And the mattresses announced the supply of weapons to the opposition
    No need to repeat us the Yugoslav cant
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 31 May 2013 08: 17 New
      14
      I agree completely, as long as you endure this trash. As the unforgettable Nikita Sergeevich used to say: "It's time to put a hedgehog in their pants!"
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 31 May 2013 08: 08 New
    12
    They have already thought 300 times about the "democratization" of Syria, I am even more than sure they have shared it. But one thing, they forgot to think about us 300 times out of old habit. And then hrenaks and such a bummer at the GDP of the eggs were in place.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 31 May 2013 08: 09 New
    22
    You know, all this hype around S-300, the nervous hiccups of the West, the hysteria of Israel - this is the coolest advertisement of the Russian military-industrial complex since the Vietnam War.
  • fantast
    fantast 31 May 2013 08: 12 New
    39
    V. Churkin - admitted that Russia supplies weapons to Syria:
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 31 May 2013 08: 32 New
      14
      Handsome, I thought she would pounce on him !!! laughing good
      1. Tarpon
        Tarpon 31 May 2013 09: 10 New
        18
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Handsome, I thought she would pounce on him !!! laughing good

        Churkin is great !!!
        I would give him the Hero of Russia! For so many years, so competently and reasonably defend Russia's interests in the UN and the Security Council!
        1. Rink
          Rink 31 May 2013 10: 25 New
          15
          Quote: Tarpon

          Churkin is great !!!
          I would give him the Hero of Russia! ....

          Support!
          Diplomats like Churkin, Lavrov need to appropriate the Hero of Russia. Their contribution to the development of the country's defense is no less than the army.
          And Vladimir Chamov (ex-ambassador to Libya, who called Medvedev a traitor and quit voluntarily after Medvedev made a decision on Libya) - for courage, it is quite possible to represent a government award.

          And it’s time for the smiling boy Dimon to think about what to do and how to live on.
          (Although I just don’t expect this spineless thing to come up with something worthwhile. It’s just that the person is not in his place. Sending him to a restaurant somewhere as a waiter is precisely his competence. It was necessary to get so fucked up by iPhone !)
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 31 May 2013 20: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: Skating rink
            Just out of place man.

            It is strange why Putin still tolerates this LADY? Because of this, he himself has to pull the carriage of the iPhone. And the MNC, know yourself, smiles ... "Radish!" Is a bad person.
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 31 May 2013 08: 52 New
      17
      Churkin is finally a handsome man! Close to the text: "If you (read the USA) managed to get an audience with Putin, then why should you complain at all" good laughing
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 31 May 2013 08: 56 New
        +8
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        why do I complain

        Yes, no one even offered him coffee in the bastard, so he burst into tears that we do not have democracy and treat people badly smile.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 31 May 2013 09: 38 New
          +9
          Quote: avant-garde
          Yes, no one even offered him coffee in the bastard, so he burst into tears that we do not have democracy and treat people badly

          He apparently mixed up the 90s with 2013 ... Something has changed. wink And then, who is he that the President of Russia would run to meet him? This is Nemtsov companions on cirls running to McFall, but here the rank is not the same. Correctly Churov said: "Rejoice that you have received!" laughing
          1. xan
            xan 31 May 2013 15: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Atlon
            Correctly Churov said: "Rejoice that you have received!" laughing

            Churov said more streamlined, I’m just freaking out what language they teach in diplomatic academies.
            I sometimes regret that a refined intellectual is sitting in the UN from Russia, and not a simpler man, which we have the vast majority.
            1. Rink
              Rink 31 May 2013 15: 38 New
              +4
              Quote: xan
              Churov said more streamlined, I’m just freaking out what language they teach in diplomatic academies. ....


              Remember Savelia Skotenkova with his anti-aircraft codes Al-Efesbi?

              ... The course "Fundamentals of Cryptodiscourse" (Skotenkov read it at the Diplomatic Academy for two years) was a definite milestone by which one can judge where his views evolved with age.
              It is easiest to explain what a “cryptodiscourse” is by citing an opening from a lecture. Below we quote the preserved handwritten compendium of one of the listeners, where Skotenkov's oral speech most likely underwent significant reductions.

              Cryptodiscourse Levels.
              Any diplomatic or journalistic discourse always has two levels:
              1) external, formal factual (geopolitical),
              2) "essential" - the real energy content of the discourse, metatext.

              Manipulation of facts is simply the external design of the energy essence of each statement. Imagine, for example, that a Baltic diplomat tells you at an embassy reception:
              - Stalin, in a broad historical perspective, is the same as Hitler, and the USSR is the same as fascist Germany, only with an Asian touch. And Russia, as the legal successor to the USSR, is fascist Germany today.

              At the essential energy level, this phrase has approximately the following projection:
              “Roly, get up cancer. I’ll ride to Europe on horseback, and you will be cleaning my shoes for ten euro cents a day. ”

              At the same level, the answer, of course, is this:
              “Suck, what a swamp, then I’ll pour you oil - and if you suck well, maybe I’ll buy you some sprat. And for the fact that you had your own Legion of SS, the Jews will have you at cp @ ku for another hundred years, and so you need it. ”

              But at the geopolitical level, the essential response is projected like this:
              - Sorry, but this is a rather primitive concept. The Soviet Union during the Second World War bore the brunt of the fight against Nazism, and at present Russia is the most important economic partner of a united Europe. And any attempt to question the liberation mission of the Red Army is a criminal shamelessness, as disgusting as the denial of the Holocaust.

              The traditional misfortune of Russian diplomacy is the confusion of discourse levels. Our diplomat would most likely answer precisely at the energy level - because that is how the response is born in the soul. But diplomatic skill is to carefully reflect the essential response that is born in the heart, and then with a smile translate it into an impeccable geopolitical language.

              Some believe that an immediate transition to the essential level of communication is not a disaster, but just the strength of our diplomacy (Lavrov). But this is imperial. approach of the last century, due great number of tanks. division to Europe. Now out of date.

              ___________

              Victor Pelevin,
              "Pineapple water for a beautiful lady"
              Part two, "Anti-aircraft codes of Al-Efesbi"


              In general, an interesting little book.
              Who did not read - I recommend.
    3. slavik_gross
      slavik_gross 31 May 2013 09: 16 New
      +6
      Krasava Churkin, they with their democracy have tortured the whole world ...
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 31 May 2013 10: 25 New
        +5
        Quote: slavik_gross
        Krasava Churkin,

        I join, I don’t understand Chernomyrdin so many pearls by ear, and Churkin how many times the adversaries put in a puddle and almost never quote him. Someone presses the corn.
    4. maxcor1974
      maxcor1974 31 May 2013 09: 45 New
      +9
      Babec is stupid, she’s told that C-300 cannot be used against militants, they don’t have airplanes, and she ..... Fool
      1. Rink
        Rink 31 May 2013 10: 39 New
        13
        Quote: maxcor1974
        Babec is stupid, she’s told that C-300 cannot be used against militants, they don’t have airplanes, and she ..... Fool

        She may not be a fool, but her specific goal was set by the editor of the TV channel before the interview - to mix Churkin with dirt, to show the whole world the "wrong" position of Russia. The pressure to which she began to resort when she felt that she was losing the situation is just one of the journalistic methods with which she tried to unsettle the interviewee, make him confuse and answer indistinctly. They are taught this.

        But Churkin did well, psychological training at a good level, and a nervous climatic woman did not care for him. I jumped and jumped, but you can’t argue against logic.

        ___

        PS Damn, how cleverly they learned to manipulate public opinion! They put everything upside down, call white black and vice versa - and as it should. Moreover, the western man in the street and part of ours still believe them!

        Goebbels said: - "A lie, repeated a thousand times, becomes the truth."
        Worthy students!
        1. Kirgudum
          Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 44 New
          +7
          Media - A Tool for Manipulating Idiots.
    5. Kirgudum
      Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 48 New
      +8
      "If you managed to get an audience with President Putin" - it was he who told this fool that "the US Secretary of State waited three hours at the reception")))) From the side - the governor of a small province begged for a meeting with the Emperor - in short, well done Churkin, beautifully presented Russia !
      1. Rink
        Rink 31 May 2013 12: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: Kirgudum
        ... the governor of a small province begged for a meeting with the Emperor ...

        It reminds me a bit of how our grandfathers spoke with Western kings ...

        “... Previously, it did not happen that the great sovereigns of all Russia communicate with the Swedish rulers; the Swedish rulers communicated with Novgorod ... your father exchanged letters with the Novgorod governors ... When the Novgorod governors of the great Tsar of Russia send their ambassador to King Gustav, then Gustav, the King of Sweden and Gothic, will have to kiss the cross before the ambassador ... It’s impossible for him to be deceived by us... ".
        “... But King Magnus ... himself does not know that, as we about your manly family from all the lands that come to us. And that we granted King Artsimagnus the city of Polchev and other cities, then we with God's will in their patrimony are free: whom we want, that we favor... ".

        From a letter from Ivan IV the Terrible to Queen Elizabeth I of England


        Well, somewhere it is necessary, probably. wink
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 31 May 2013 12: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Skating rink
          It reminds me a bit of how our grandfathers spoke with Western kings ..

          Well, what about. Istoic traditions must be observedThousand here
    6. Proud.
      Proud. 31 May 2013 12: 40 New
      +4
      If something seems to this Amanpur, then let him cross himself or spit over his shoulder, as desired. And our leader should not use rash phrases. We supply weapons not to the "Assad regime", but to the LEGAL GOVERNMENT.
    7. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB 31 May 2013 15: 05 New
      +4
      So what's the problem then the West supplies the bandits with weapons oh sorry "rebels" and Russia supplies the legitimate authorities, and the S-300 is a defensive weapon and only a potential aggressor is afraid of it, moreover a cowardly one intending to kill with complete impunity from a height.
    8. asbaev
      asbaev 31 May 2013 19: 17 New
      +1
      Churkin communicates very competently
  • Andrew 121
    Andrew 121 31 May 2013 08: 13 New
    +4
    Zhdems-s ... Wellcome so to speak.
  • erased
    erased 31 May 2013 08: 13 New
    +3
    The tone of the article is somewhat puffy. But the point is true. S-300 is good, it will cool hotheads. But if the opposition receives not only funds and weapons, but also people, quality training, then the Syrian army may not be able to withstand it. So, Syria will need conventional weapons like tanks, artillery and other things. Now this will become problematic if the UN begins to put sticks in wheels. And then, even if Russia can sell it to Syria, where is the guarantee that Syria will pay? Or again give away for nothing?
    Many questions arise. But one thing is good, as easy as before, NATO will not play. The sky over Syria is at least partially, but will be covered.
    1. small
      small 31 May 2013 08: 18 New
      +6
      Syria will need conventional weapons like tanks, artillery and other things / Shoigu has already hinted about this - the EU lifts the arms embargo for the so-called opposition, and Russia lifts the supply agreement for Assad.
      1. afire
        afire 31 May 2013 09: 16 New
        +7
        there the planes that want to send to Serbia were actually made for Assad, but the embargo prevented them from sending, now, theoretically, you can hammer a bolt on everything and send modern planes (read fucking offensive weapons). I think this is add. trump card will be in the near future.
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 31 May 2013 09: 42 New
        +6
        Quote: small
        Syria will need conventional weapons like tanks, artillery and other things / Shoigu already hinted at this - the EU lifts the arms embargo for the so-called opposition, and Russia cancels the supply agreement for Assad.

        But who knows what our landing ships carry there? After all, as was written in one of the articles on VO: "Landing ships are such heavily armed transports that no one in the world, in their right mind and memory, would think of stopping or inspecting them." And what are they taking to Tartus? laughing
      3. Dimka off
        Dimka off 31 May 2013 17: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: small
        Syria will need conventional weapons like tanks, artillery and other things /

        they need something, but they don’t have time to learn to fight on this technique. Something simpler is needed.
      4. albert
        albert 31 May 2013 21: 17 New
        0
        Quote: small
        Shoigu already hinted about this - EU

        Perhaps the Chinese comrades will join us for arms supplies and Iran.
    2. Petrix
      Petrix 31 May 2013 11: 18 New
      +8
      Quote: erased
      And then, even if Russia can sell it to Syria, where is the guarantee that Syria will pay? Or again give away for nothing?

      What are we helping Syria for? Make money? And I thought we were defending our homeland. And if Syria falls and the Caucasus catches fire, will it be more profitable?
  • smart ass
    smart ass 31 May 2013 08: 14 New
    +1
    The amount is not enough)
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 31 May 2013 08: 20 New
      +2
      Small spool but precious!
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 31 May 2013 08: 21 New
    +9
    If only C-300 did not fail. Straight ahead of it.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 31 May 2013 09: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Yoon Clob
      If only C-300 did not fail. Straight ahead of it.

      Similarly, I worry about the effectiveness of the use, I hope that the Syrian military is well trained.
      The "world gendarme" pondered, the bandit mongrels also calmed down, they think and reflect whether "crap" is needed in Syria.
  • annenkov242
    annenkov242 31 May 2013 08: 21 New
    +4
    We put a good medicinal plaster on Benya and other boils from politics.
    Give a clear sky over Syria!
    Glory to Russian weapons !!!!!!!!!
    1. sem40
      sem40 7 June 2013 03: 34 New
      0
      Well, we live here. Far away from you. And our children are killed by your "friends." What do you care about Israel at all? Before everything in the Middle East? Owl little earth? Or are we interfering with life? Then it turns out that you are like Germans in the 30s. And the result will be the same as they are.
  • Professor
    Professor 31 May 2013 08: 22 New
    -28
    And if he is, what will Mr. Ya'alon begin to do the same? If he is well acquainted with the characteristics of the Russian modernized S-300 air defense system, then the only option here is something like this: urgently go to the Wailing Wall and quench your "sorrow" about it ...

    How does he know the characteristics? After all, he went all the way from the private to the chief of the general staff and the minister of defense and did not sell furniture before. request
    And to the Wailing Wall he just had to run, because this is a prodigy. laughing
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 31 May 2013 08: 38 New
      +7
      Hello professor. Yesterday I asked a question not to you, but by mistake to someone else. I repeat. Tell me: in Israel, of course, they are considering options for a peaceful resolution to the conflict. And which ones? And what if with Assad? And without Assad, but with his like-minded people? And how are you going to communicate with the so-called the opposition? these are scumbags who definitely don't like you. We somehow do not really read your media. Inosmi is also not a lot. I'm wondering WHAT your authorities think (well, the people say). You have long spoken out on this subject. But the situation has changed a lot now. Assad seems to be winning.
      1. Professor
        Professor 31 May 2013 08: 40 New
        0
        I answered you yesterday, check. hi

        What would you like to know? A peaceful solution is no longer possible, at least with Assad. He was repeatedly offered the Golan to the borders of the 1967 year in exchange for normalization of relations. Assad refused every time. The train left.

        The opposition here is rarely called terrorists. There are no contacts with them. Sometimes they are treated with us on both sides. Healed and home. Assad has won the second year ...
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 31 May 2013 08: 56 New
          0
          ++++ Thank you.
        2. Kirgudum
          Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 51 New
          +4
          "At both sides"??? I don’t know, everyone knows that you are treating Syrian criminals (treating - that's okay, but why are you RELEASING them then ???), tell us about the cases of Syrian soldiers being treated in Israeli hospitals - who, when, where?
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 31 May 2013 08: 39 New
      +9
      In vain you are so professor. C-300 is quite a serious weapon, and as our Air Force commander said in almost direct text, suppressing them would have to pay the price with cars and pilots. It's just that Messrs. Do not understand here that if necessary, Israel will lose cars and bury its guys, but it will not back down from its own. And the amount of losses will be caused not only by the TTX S-300, but also by reconnaissance information, the presence of shock and reconnaissance UAVs, the presence of PRR and false targets from the opposing side. You already talked about the presence of heavy MLRS with a range of up to 150 km, about air-to-ground missiles working at the same range as the C-300 and KR missiles.
      1. Professor
        Professor 31 May 2013 08: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        In vain you are so professor. C-300 is quite a serious weapon, and as our Air Force commander said in almost direct text, suppressing them would have to pay the price with cars and pilots.

        He did not talk about cars and pilots, but only about the price.
        The rest I agree with you, I’ll add only that, the majority here does not understand that Damascus is within the reach of the AOI artillery.
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 31 May 2013 08: 48 New
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          Quote: Professor
          that Damascus is within reach of the AOI barrel artillery.

          No, look at them, neither shame nor conscience, you’ve completely grown up, they’re not going to bombard so with artillery. So then you do not forget that you are within the reach of Syrian artillery.
          1. Professor
            Professor 31 May 2013 08: 50 New
            -13
            Quote: avant-garde
            So then you do not forget that you are within the reach of Syrian artillery.

            But these are pipes, their trunks are short. bully Not that they will not reach the capitals of Israel, but also to large settlements.
            1. avant-garde
              avant-garde 31 May 2013 08: 53 New
              +8
              The one who laughs last laughs. And at the expense of short "trunks" it is certainly not a Jewish nation to speak lol
              1. Professor
                Professor 31 May 2013 08: 57 New
                -19
                Quote: avant-garde
                Laughs the one who laughs last.

                It's true. However, Assad is not laughing right now- rakes wins in full.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 09: 16 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  . However, Assad is not up to laughter now; he is raking in victories in full.

                  Well, Jews have no equal in finances, but in politics you are sorry, oak trees (figuratively). Only the blind can not understand that everything will end with a great warrior and disaster for Israel. Is it really that hard to add 2 + 2 fool
                2. Megavolt
                  Megavolt 31 May 2013 09: 39 New
                  +4
                  However, Assad is not up to laughter now; he is raking in victories in full.

                  Oh, and you Jews are used to perverting reality forever.
                3. Kirgudum
                  Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 55 New
                  +4
                  Professor, have you read the conclusion of the German intelligence service that Assad's position has significantly improved? So the strikethrough text "rakes" in your post is completely inappropriate. If the GERMANS have admitted that Assad is winning, it means that it is so, and you would not be ashamed to admit it.
                  Especially considering who he’s fighting against -
                  About 100 thousand foreign fighters from Arab and other countries entered Syria to participate in the hostilities, said President Bashar al-Assad
                  http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2013/5/30/22310898/
            2. Esso
              Esso 31 May 2013 09: 09 New
              +9
              Gentlemen, let's not fight with trunks, whoever has more, because the main thing is that people can suffer, innocent people, maybe enough to fight, Someone Mr. Saakashvili also measured how everything ended everyone knows. Well, of course everyone will say that the Israeli army is better more prepared, but honestly I’m not sorry for myself. I’m thinking of taking the American government and those who stand behind it, the Israeli, Qatar, these fat desert cats, Saudi Arabia, the cradle of financial terrorism, give them arms and let them go to war on Syria , let their brave and brave Syrian soldiers pounce on the first number, let them go to fight instead of their soldiers, otherwise they are brave outside the walls and under guard, but in open battle it’s nothing to ruin people! I imagine if the kings fought on their own, here would be fun!
              1. sem40
                sem40 7 June 2013 04: 05 New
                0
                Our prime minister and half of the ministers, unlike Putin, Shoigu and Medvedev, are military officers who fought (the prime minister was a special forces officer who personally took part in special operations, was wounded. He lost his brother in Enteba - do you know what this is all about?). And did not sit at the turnout in Germany.
            3. afire
              afire 31 May 2013 09: 20 New
              +4
              this does not mean that you have prepared a sweet life out of reach. what are you with ... and the Jews!
            4. Atlon
              Atlon 31 May 2013 09: 45 New
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              But these are pipes, their trunks are short. Not only will not reach the capitals of Israel, but also to large settlements.

              Hezbollah will help ... wink
              1. Professor
                Professor 31 May 2013 09: 48 New
                -6
                For 7 years Hezbollah has been sitting quietly. Nasrallah 7 years from the bunker is afraid to get out ...
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 10: 09 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Professor
                  For 7 years, Hezbollah has been sitting quietly.

                  And before the storm it was so quiet belay
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 31 May 2013 10: 14 New
                    -5
                    You continue to amaze me. Hezbollah will fit only for its patron, Iran, and that is not a fact. They still lick the wounds. Only recently restored the coastal highway ...
                    1. Apollo
                      Apollo 31 May 2013 11: 07 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Professor
                      Hezbollah will fit only for its patron, Iran, and that is not a fact.


                      not so simple


                      Suitcase, train station, Israel

                      The Hezbollah Lebanese movement demanded that the Palestinian Hamas movement, its former counterpart in the fight against Israel, leave Lebanon "immediately, within a few hours." During the civil war in Syria, Hezbollah supported the Syrian government, while Hamas sided with the rebels.
                      The Hezbollah movement ordered Hamas supporters to leave Lebanon - moreover, "immediately, within a few hours." The cause of the ultimatum was the intervention of this rival Palestinian movement in the Syrian war on the side of the partisans.
                      ..........
                      Recall that the war in Syria has already partially spread to neighboring Lebanon. On Sunday, two rockets exploded in the Shiite-Christian quarter of Shia on the southern outskirts of Beirut. Shiah was bombarded several hours after the speech of the leader of Hezbollah, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, who first confessed to the intervention in Syria. Nasrallah promised to defeat Assad’s enemies - the irreconcilable Islamists (takfirists) associated with Al Qaeda, who, he said, "threaten Lebanon and all its communities." He said that Shiite militants are participating in the assault on the border city of Al-Quseir ......... As for Hezbollah, she firmly supported Bashar al-Assad not only for religious reasons - Shiites and Alawites are very different from each other , - the reason is quite pragmatic, because of cooperation with Tehran, Nadein-Raevsky explained ... Nadein-Raevsky reminded that Hamas remains the ruling force in the Gaza Strip, and in Lebanon it is considered a stranger: “In Lebanon, Hamas looks like anti-Lebanese, anti-national force". Therefore, Hamas’s position is strong only among Palestinians living in Lebanon. At the same time, the Palestinian movement itself is split into warring factions, the expert added.
                      more details http://www.vz.ru/world/2013/5/30/635009.html
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 31 May 2013 11: 11 New
                        -5
                        What are you surprised at? Hamas supported the rebels, and in Lebanon itself, the Sunnis more support El Qaeda than Hamas.
                      2. splaav
                        splaav 31 May 2013 11: 53 New
                        +6
                        It seems that Hezbollah began to fight with bandits on the side of the SAR, in response to covering the airspace of Lebanon and its bases with S-300 Syria with the permission or submission of Russia.
                        In this situation, Israel will no longer fly over Lebanon and Syria. (My personal opinion)
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 13: 01 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Professor
                        What are you surprised at?

                        Professor, I am surprised to see you sitting on a barrel of gunpowder, and the barrel itself is in the center of the fire belay nor do you think that you will fly into the air. You are a rare optimist professor wassat
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 12: 58 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Professor
                    You continue to amaze me. Hezbollah will fit only for its patron Iran and that is not a fact

                    But what have they to do with it? You sit in a ring of enemies and think about politics, diplomacy, economic or political benefits. So professor, when the nix starts on Israel, all who are near will fall, and next to you there are only "friends" where you don't spit laughing after the first shots, all diplomacy will fly to hell with the UN.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 31 May 2013 13: 19 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Quote: Professor
                      What are you surprised at?

                      Professor, I am surprised to see you sitting on a barrel of gunpowder, and the barrel itself is in the center of the fire belay nor do you think that you will fly into the air. You are a rare optimist professor wassat

                      You do not know, but strategically, Israel has been in the best position since its inception. No neighboring army threatens its existence.

                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      What do they have to do with it?

                      Hezbollah has done only one thing in its history without Iran’s permission and paid for it. This will not happen again.
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 13: 30 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      Not a single neighboring army threatens its existence.

                      I will copy your post and forward it to everyone. Great joke laughing
                      If you are not threatened, then why are we bombing Syria wink
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 31 May 2013 13: 41 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      I will copy your post and forward it to everyone. Great joke
                      If you are not threatened, then why are we bombing Syria

                      Patamushto in Israel value the lives of its citizens (for one of its 1027 they give strangers) and do not want hezbollons to bring down even one passenger plane. And the Syrian army in the best year did not threaten the EXISTENCE of Israel, and now even more so.
                    4. Babon
                      Babon 31 May 2013 13: 43 New
                      0
                      Professor
                      Are you all a true Israeli citizen? All you don’t want to remember about us? In Russia, there is an EAO! Do you even want to remember where you were born?
                    5. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 13: 45 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      . And the Syrian army in the best year did not threaten the EXISTENCE of Israel, and now even more so.

                      Fuck you logic, no it's something laughing you don’t have any enemies, they don’t threaten you. but you bomb by valuing the lives of your citizens and destroying hundreds of others. Where is the logic?
                    6. Babon
                      Babon 31 May 2013 13: 46 New
                      -3
                      Well here Professor right, the Syrian army is always n ,,,,, and, not only Israel.
                    7. Professor
                      Professor 31 May 2013 13: 51 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Your logic is fucking hot, no, it’s something you don’t have enemies, you are not threatened.

                      Flood? Not a good person at the post. I repeat EXIST not threatening. Just as Georgia does not threaten the existence of Russia even theoretically (and Russia bombed it), and America is able to destroy Russia. So understandable?
                    8. Babon
                      Babon 31 May 2013 13: 55 New
                      +3
                      Well, you give examples, because of Gilad Shalit, you bombed the whole of Lebanon, and in South Ossetia our peacekeepers stood, And n ,,, and this is not Georgia, if that.
                    9. Babon
                      Babon 31 May 2013 14: 05 New
                      +7
                      Well, that was Corporal Gilad Shalit! You can bomb the whole of Lebanon. But the battalion of Russian peacekeepers need to be destroyed from tanks means? That is, in your opinion, it was only necessary to watch on TV how our soldiers were being killed? Well, it’s not Jews, only Jews everywhere are offended, I forgot. But Russians can be killed, not Jews.
                    10. Professor
                      Professor 31 May 2013 14: 36 New
                      -6
                      Quote: Babon
                      But Russians can be killed, not Jews.

                      I did not write this, read carefully.
                    11. Babon
                      Babon 1 June 2013 00: 09 New
                      0
                      Professor
                      Yes, you're right, but remember where you were born, this is our common homeland, so what about it? Here you are dumped from the homeland! You do not like? We will build the future without you. Although you decide for yourself, we remember that you are also our citizen, do you know how offensive it is to hear from you?
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 13: 59 New
                +5
                Quote: Professor
                Flood?

                No, I see contradictions in your words.
                Quote: Professor
                Georgia does not threaten the existence of Russia even theoretically (and Russia bombed it)

                Are you kidding me?
              3. Denis
                Denis 1 June 2013 02: 55 New
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                America is able to destroy Russia
                Do not wait!
                said one of your
                so dream silently, animals, moreover, stupid
                how many times the Yankees wiped your page, but never wiser
              4. Babon
                Babon 1 June 2013 12: 21 New
                +1
                Well then, a counter question to you, but is Russia capable of destroying the United States? What will we measure whose eggs are cooler? Is it necessary at all?
          2. Apollo
            Apollo 2 June 2013 11: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Patamushto


            Good afternoon professor. hi For your information, visitors, including myself, pay attention not only to the content of the comments, but also to the grammar.
          3. Professor
            Professor 2 June 2013 11: 49 New
            -1
            Quote: Apollon
            Quote: Professor
            Patamushto


            Good afternoon professor. hi For your information, visitors, including myself, pay attention not only to the content of the comments, but also to the grammar.

            Sorry, why on earth? I carefully studied the site rules and there is not a word said about grammar. Is not it? hi
            General rules on the site
          4. Apollo
            Apollo 2 June 2013 12: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            I carefully studied the site rules and there is not a word said about grammar.


            And here are the rules ?! winked
            Visitors appreciate not only the content of the commentary, but also the way it is written. What is excusable to others is not excusable to you, professor, you are a consultant.
          5. Professor
            Professor 2 June 2013 12: 32 New
            +2
            We were persuaded that I will not go on jailing on the Great and Mighty, and I will adhere to the rules of spelling and punctuation as far as possible. hi
          6. Babon
            Babon 3 June 2013 01: 41 New
            0
            Professor
            It is not a matter of the great and powerful, you are an educated person, you can afford to write correctly, your education is enough. Although often you write unpleasant, but we read you and listen carefully. Well, it will not come out of you just to twist the words, we are all aware that you are an educated person!
  • Vtel
    Vtel 31 May 2013 14: 16 New
    +5
    You do not know, but strategically, Israel has been in the best position since its inception. No neighboring army threatens its existence.

    Yes, it’s you who are so brave, your brothers in America and Geyrope are behind your poop.
    Shaw then reminds me of Mowgli:
    "People need to set traps for other people, and without that they will all be unhappy." - And we will go north !. The law of the jungle says ... Every man for himself! So they called me yellow fish? ”“ Yes, yes, fish, and also a worm - an earthworm!
    Could it be about you! All the same, agree S-300 at the moment is the best cure for your kosher lawlessness. Our to you with a bone!
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 11: 12 New
    +2
    Nasrallah didn’t give a shit about you, but Hazbala nazed.
  • Megavolt
    Megavolt 31 May 2013 09: 47 New
    11
    their trunks are short. Not only will not reach the capitals of Israel, but also to large settlements.

    How to say. Otherwise, you, the Jews, will once again have to wander in the desert for another forty years with the new "Moses".
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 11: 14 New
      +3
      Or you have to look for a new Moses or choose who will be him. I fully support. Without the homeland, without a flag, come and the right to rock, on the road they got bored, or something.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 13: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: Megavolt
      Otherwise, you, the Jews, will have to wander in the desert for another forty years with the new "Moses".

      And can I lead them, I answer, I make them so that who the hell will they laughing
  • omsbon
    omsbon 31 May 2013 10: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    But these are pipes, their trunks are short.

    Hello, Mr. Professor!
    Yesterday your instruction, to learn mustard gas, to do circumcision and castration (article about the program "However" dated 29.05/XNUMX/XNUMX), has not yet been fulfilled, I'm afraid the barrel will suddenly have to be shortened.
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 May 2013 10: 16 New
      -2
      Let's be precise: in order to listen to a Hebrew news release, you need to own it, regarding castration, it was a joke.
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 31 May 2013 10: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        regarding castration, it was a joke.

        Thank God! Well, that did not hurry! fellow
      2. Babon
        Babon 31 May 2013 13: 49 New
        0
        Professor
        Well, jokes.
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  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 11: 09 New
    0
    Palestine reaches out.
  • Kirgudum
    Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 52 New
    -1
    Keep in mind that there is such a thing in the world as Iskander ...
  • FOX.
    FOX. 31 May 2013 13: 41 New
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    But these are pipes, their trunks are short.

    What is this ??? Or do you seriously think that the distance from point A to point B is not equal to the distance from point B to point A in a straight line ??? You are killing me with your ignorance. Moreover, the type depicted on your profile picture had at least some idea of ​​physics ... were you a dummy in school?
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 May 2013 13: 46 New
      -2
      Quote: FOX.
      What is this ??? Or do you seriously think that the distance from point A to point B is not equal to the distance from point B to point A in a straight line ??? You are killing me with your ignorance. Moreover, the type depicted on your profile picture had at least some idea of ​​physics ... were you a dummy in school?

      Before you blame anyone, look at the map of the region and the distance of Damascus from the border, or say Haifa or Tel Aviv from the border, and then laugh together at your apology.

      PS
      Waiting for an apology or calculations and calculations, you can limit yourself to marks on the map. hi
      1. FOX.
        FOX. 31 May 2013 13: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: Professor
        I'm waiting for an apology

        ??? You didn’t mix anything up? What would I, the Soviet officer, apologize to ...? Besides, also because this ... poorly understands what TRYING to talk about? Well, you really surpassed yourself. Khutspa will not make you more competent, but he is already making fun of him. Take a look around and you will see the cheerful and kind faces of the anti-Zionists surrounding you ... Hear them GOOD Laughter? tongue
        1. Professor
          Professor 31 May 2013 14: 01 New
          -3
          Quote: FOX.
          What would I, the Soviet officer, apologize to ...?

          The Soviet officer has the concept of honor. you don’t, so what kind of Soviet officer are you?
          1. FOX.
            FOX. 31 May 2013 14: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            The Soviet officer has the concept of honor. you do not have

            From this place please in more detail. Apparently, you and I have diametrically opposite concepts of honor in general and officer honor in particular. Let's compare the positions in order to discuss this issue in more detail. Where did I act dishonorably (in your opinion)?
            1. Professor
              Professor 31 May 2013 14: 47 New
              -2
              Quote: FOX.
              Where did I act dishonorably

              What is this ??? Or do you seriously think that the distance from point A to point B is not equal to the distance from point B to point A in a straight line ??? You are killing me with your ignorance. Moreover, the type depicted on your profile picture had at least some idea of ​​physics ... were you a dummy in school?

              I’ll conduct a wack educational program as a duel. The real distance from the IDF deployment locations to Damascus is about 50 km, the distance from the nominal deployment locations of the Syrian army (in practice, nobody will allow them to deploy artillery in 2-5 km from the Israeli border) to Haifa 75 km, to Tel Aviv 120, to Jerusalem xnumx. (check it yourself on the map or lay it out?) As we see the distance from point A to point B is not equal to the distance from point B to point A in a straight line. I apologize for the unfounded accusations of ignorance. soldier
            2. FOX.
              FOX. 31 May 2013 15: 12 New
              +5
              Quote: Professor
              (in practice, no one will let them deploy artillery 2-5 km from the Israeli border)

              Do you seriously believe that, if necessary, the Syrian army will ask you for permission, where they will place their artillery? You are killing me, "amiable" professor. I was laughing so hard that I almost suffocated. Of course I will not apologize - they did not deserve it, but you can count on one "thank you", they cheered up !!! hi
            3. Professor
              Professor 31 May 2013 15: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: FOX.
              Do you seriously believe that, if necessary, the Syrian army will ask you for permission, where should they place artillery?

              You again did not carefully read. I repeat. Even with the deployment of Syrian artillery in 2-km from the Israeli border, the distance to Israeli cities will be beyond its reach, which can not be said about Damascus. So understandable?
            4. FOX.
              FOX. 31 May 2013 15: 30 New
              +5
              Quote: Professor
              You again did not carefully read.

              Not at all, I read your opuses very carefully, because you are a very slippery type, but you are making more and more mistakes, trying to prove your point by any means and running into the loud laugh of forum users. By the way, your new role suits you very much. I propose (as some time ago) to change the avatar to the following:
            5. Professor
              Professor 31 May 2013 15: 41 New
              0
              A whole comment about one blah blah blah and nothing about the topic. you are not the case served as a political officer? So, how will the Syrian army shell artillery in the Israeli capital? Answer: no way.
            6. FOX.
              FOX. 31 May 2013 15: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              you are not the case served as a political officer?

              The deputy politician is 9 companies, I have a slightly different specialization.
              Quote: Professor
              how will the Syrian army shell artillery in the Israeli capital? Answer: no way.

              You want it so much, but I can offer another answer to your question - direct fire. He personally impresses me more! hi
            7. Professor
              Professor 31 May 2013 15: 58 New
              -2
              Quote: FOX.
              You want it so much, but I can offer another answer to your question - direct fire. He personally impresses me more!

              Are you sure you ever served in the army? "direct fire"120 km. Tin. fool
        2. FOX.
          FOX. 31 May 2013 15: 41 New
          +2
          How do you like this?
        3. Professor
          Professor 31 May 2013 15: 48 New
          +1
          When there are no arguments, then they go to the individual, but when they go to the avatak, then this is already below the plinth. Essentially, there is something to say "Soviet officer"?
        4. FOX.
          FOX. 31 May 2013 16: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          Essentially, there is something to say "Soviet officer"?

          UNCONDITIONALLY, but unfortunately this is mostly profanity, which the system simply will not miss. But if you remove it and emotions, then the bottom line will be the following:
          You, professor, are a petty dirty trickster who has dug in on the site and pushing here the ideas of the imaginary technical superiority of the West in general and Israel in particular over Russia, trying to demoralize the Russians in the framework of this forum and inspire us with the idea of ​​the futility of resisting a potential enemy. And further in the same vein ...
          I will say simply, without frills - you miscalculated. Return the money to the employer !!! hi
        5. Professor
          Professor 31 May 2013 16: 06 New
          -3
          They wrote even more letters, but not a word in the case. however, you did not learn materiel because of this and verbal diarrhea. There is nothing to cover? request
        6. FOX.
          FOX. 31 May 2013 16: 14 New
          +7
          Quote: Professor
          There is nothing to cover?

          What to cover, professor? That nonsense that you carry? Or your delusional calculations based on "confidence" that you will not allow the Syrian army to fire on Israeli territory if something happens? Can you hear yourself ??? A madman in a feverish delirium carries less than you in your right mind (???) and possibly a hard memory.
        7. Professor
          Professor 31 May 2013 16: 19 New
          -2
          I was wrong about you. I apologize. I will no longer call you "Soviet officer" and an officer in general. You have never served in the army at all. Now this is 100% clear. Direct fire on 120 km- that’s what will go down in history from you. fool
        8. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 31 May 2013 22: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          I apologize.

          Professor! Congratulations: You are growing above yourself! You have passed from punctuation to stylistic mistakes!
          However, this is your whole national essence. You, even admitting yourself wrong, are not ASK FORGIVENESS and so, down Bring it to the goyim. You better bring your own Sorry, whether.
          PS. I didn't want to offend. It's just for you for the "Soviet officer" and overt banter over a colleague.
        9. Professor
          Professor 1 June 2013 07: 40 New
          0
          What kind of officer is he? yap. I hope he is not a colleague to you.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          However, this is your whole national essence

          Let's reveal your national essence? A very "productive" dialogue can turn out. To begin with, I'll post articles from the heading "Their customs" from the Caucasus Center. Fine? wink
        10. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 1 June 2013 09: 48 New
          +1
          Good morning.
          Quote: Professor
          I hope he is not a colleague to you.

          He is my colleague, like you, on this site. We are all here gathered interest in the topic.
          Quote: Professor
          Let's reveal your national identity

          Legends are composed of generosity and generosity, fearlessness and contempt for the death of RUSSIANS. By the way as well about the wisdom of Solomon, tricks and greed of most of your brothers ... But the symbol of your kind has become the Eternal train! Continue to continue? If it does not make it difficult, look at your leisure utterances of the greats of this world. http://telegrafist.org/2013/05/29/59762/
  • FOX.
    FOX. 31 May 2013 16: 06 New
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    and when they switch to avatak, then this is already below the baseboard.

    I'm sorry, but from under the baseboard you are no longer visible.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 31 May 2013 22: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    Essentially, there is something to say "Soviet officer"?

    Hello professor. Allow me, as a Soviet officer, to remind you of something. C-300 is great! Effectively BUT !!! Defensively!
    Retribution awaits you from the other side:from the offensive! from the Yakhonts! (To me, a naval officer, better known as Onyx.)
    Specifically. "Missiles of this class were supplied to the Bashar al-Assad regime earlier, but the new batch is equipped with weapons with more modern features. Missiles capable of hitting targets up to 180 miles are equipped with stealth technology and are highly mobile. Besides, can be used against ground targets. In this embodiment, the range of the target’s defeat can be increased several times, compared to the standard 300 km in the anti-ship version. "About this newspaper New York Times on condition of anonymity, said a source familiar with the data of American intelligence services. (http://slon.ru/fast/world/yakhont-dlya-asada-rossiya-postavila-v-siriyu-partiyu-
    novykh-raket-942327.xhtml)
    Syria will most likely acquire the MiG-29. And they are capable of carrying 2 Yakhontas. Observe: FINISHED! for a specific task.
    Now move your brains (they are sharp): what will Israel get in response to its attack on the SAR?
    therefore purely professional advice: calculate how much it can cost you. ("Do I need it?" - as they say in Odessa). So that, gesheft obviously will not work!
    I have the honor! soldier
  • Professor
    Professor 1 June 2013 07: 46 New
    -2
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Therefore, purely professional advice: consider how much it can cost you

    Your professional answer does not contain information about Assad's lack of means of detecting targets at a specified distance. In your answer there is confidence in the invulnerability of the locations and launchers of these missiles.

    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Now move your brains (they are sharp): what will Israel get in response to its attack on the SAR?

    Let me ask what Israel received for the air strikes attributed to it?
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 1 June 2013 10: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    there is no information about Assad's lack of means of detecting targets at a specified distance.

    Professor! Do not lose your image in my eyes. For GROUND TARGET (airfield, command post, launcher, etc.) what other means of control center are still needed? Maybe a geographer. coordinates is enough for a small GLONASS prompt? The airfield is not a ship, it will not run away anywhere! And you about the lack of "means of detecting targets at a specified distance" ... Akste, sir!
    Quote: Professor
    What did Israel get for the air strikes attributed to it?

    Are you seriously deny the fact of air strikes? And in my naivety, I considered you a decent person.
  • Professor
    Professor 1 June 2013 10: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    For the GROUND purpose (airfield, KP, PU and so on) what means of TsU are still necessary?

    Will you shoot yakhonts at airfields? Oh well. Were they not confused with the Tomahawks? With the mass of the warhead in 200 kg will you disable airfields, open the CP in the bunkers? You're like a fleet officer, how do you imagine this?

    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Do you seriously deny the fact of air strikes? And in my naivety, I considered you a decent person.

    Give evidence (and not talk) that Israel conducted these bombings and then I will consider you a decent person.

    -Saw, Shura, saw ... They are golden ...
    - What if they are not gold?
    -What do you think they are?
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 1 June 2013 22: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Will you shoot yakhonts at airfields? Oh well.


    Respected! DO NOT BELIEVE! I was no less surprised than the New York Times, that Yakhonts “can also be used against ground targets. In this variant, the target destruction range can be increased several times, compared to the standard 300 km in the anti-ship version ".. (http://slon.ru/fast/world/yakhont-dlya-asada-rossiya-postavila-v -siriyu-partiyu-
    novykh-raket-942327.xhtml).
    I think: they lied Amer. Clarified. No, CIA agents are right. Yakhont is only a carrier, and the head and BZO are new! (To the delight of the torchbearers of democracy.) This is no longer a product of 1997.
    Yes,about irony (I advise to reduce the sarcasm by half) about the BZO.
    I have to disappoint you: in the RCC variant, it is semi-armor-piercing and 250 kg, and on airfields the equipment may be different — a cluster warhead with armor-piercing combat elements. Well, with such cute little things that, when exploding, they make a small funnel: 2-3m in diameter and depth 1-1,5 m. It’s more convenient for democrats to dig in. This is a word.
    Quote: Professor
    Give evidence (not talk) that Israel carried out these bombings

    About decency.
    On the second day after the raid, your military said it was done so that the missiles (?) Would not fall into Hezbollah’s hands. And then, at the command from above, they shut up and made surprised eyes: “Who? We? No way! ”
    So, brother Izya, you need to saw weights!
  • Professor
    Professor 2 June 2013 09: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    I was just as surprised as the New York Times that the Yakhonts “can also be used against ground targets.”

    This was known for a long time, but my surprise is the assumption that Yakhont with a warhead of 200 kg can cause how much damage to a well-fortified aerodrome (which are absolutely all AOI aerodromes). You can also shoot at the sparrows from the gun - there is a lot of noise, less effect.

    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    I have to disappoint you: in the RCC variant, it is semi-armor-piercing and 250 kg, and on airfields the equipment may be different — a cluster warhead with armor-piercing combat elements. Well, with such cute little things that, when exploding, they make a small funnel: 2-3m in diameter and depth 1-1,5 m. It’s more convenient for democrats to dig in. This is a word.

    My disappointment has no limits. sad Especially looking at the harmoniously aligned aircraft on AB AOI.


    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    On the second day after the raid, your military said it was done so that the missiles (?) Would not fall into Hezbollah’s hands.

    Can I refer to these military men? Is Mossad and the Internet cleaned up? wink
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 31 May 2013 08: 58 New
    +6
    Quote: Professor

    He did not talk about cars and pilots, but only about the price.
    Well, not in plain text, but everything is clear to everyone. Pilots have the same price for life, and unfortunately not one hundred Israeli pilots paid it on the orders of the state.
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 31 May 2013 09: 30 New
    16
    Of course, everyone is dumb here, only an Israeli Jew with an avatar of another Jew understands everything and knows everything laughing Shoigu has already said that we are free from obligations under previous agreements regarding the supply of weapons to Syria, and as for the possibility of getting Israel from Syria, nothing prevents us from supplying other heavy MLRS to Syria, then the chances will quickly equalize - on get each shot back. At the same time, mattress toppers will definitely help you only with language, since everyone knows who Obama and other leaders consider your Benya, they clearly explained laughing You should understand that the times when the Jews lived on the principle of "what I want, I turn it around" are over, to your regret. Even mattress toppers and those in their analytical notes wrote you off completely by 2030.
  • afire
    afire 31 May 2013 09: 19 New
    +2
    About boats do not forget dear. they are not far away and their armaments are directly aimed FOR PROTECTION AGAINST DESTRUCTION OF S-300 COMPLEXES
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 31 May 2013 11: 08 New
    +2
    In general, Jews are considered smart people in the world. And smart learn from the mistakes of others. So do not repeat other people's mistakes, especially when they are prompted to you.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 31 May 2013 08: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    After all, he went all the way from the private to the chief of the general staff and the minister of defense and did not sell furniture before

    Yes, it would be better if he was selling furniture, if he had not learned to keep his mouth shut
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 09: 13 New
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    And to the Wailing Wall he just had to run, because this is a prodigy.

    professors themselves often provoke people to flood. The question is why? Bored or something in the morning or drank coffee.
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 May 2013 09: 23 New
      -3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      professors themselves often provoke people to flood.

      All-tied.
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 31 May 2013 11: 12 New
    +1
    Well, yes, it’s probably from a great mind that the Israeli clown in the chair of the Minister of Defense on Wednesday agreed to the point that he would threaten a blow to the Russian BDK in the Mediterranean, if they try to bring C-300, the GDP didn’t even dream of such a gift, probably there was a reason, in the style of the Gulf of Tonkin, laughing
    1. Kirgudum
      Kirgudum 31 May 2013 11: 57 New
      +1
      So in Israel the S-300 is not so much AFRAID that some even FORBIDDEN to mention this name)))
  • FOX.
    FOX. 31 May 2013 13: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    and did not sell furniture before.

    What is this, "professor"? Has Serdyukov ceased to be your "favorite"? But what about your statements about his "balanced and thoughtful" decisions ???
  • pensioner
    pensioner 31 May 2013 08: 24 New
    11
    Assad said at Euronews today that the C300 had arrived in Syria. And in the plot of the war, a government army appeared in the frame !! A glimpse of the truth, but appeared !! Previously, only dushmans appeared. all this is not casual. In addition, they told how bandyugan cry and ask for help from some surrounded city. There are 50000 of them. Many killed and wounded. They do not have time to bury. They say that if the Army enters there, there will be a massacre! Earlier, nothing like this had happened in euronews !! What is it for?
    1. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 31 May 2013 09: 14 New
      +7
      What is it for?
      They are preparing the population of Europe for Assad to finish the abomination and the Europeans will have to find out the real situation. Judging by such reports, the process has started ... after all, do not talk about the insight of eurons?
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 31 May 2013 09: 42 New
      +4
      This is probably the bad news for these scumbags laughing
  • vitek1233
    vitek1233 31 May 2013 08: 24 New
    +4
    Europe does not live long with its mind and does not seem to be in a hurry to do this
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 31 May 2013 08: 27 New
    +7
    Well, Assad now needs to very well organize the defense of C-300 from sabotage groups (if they certainly are there). Western commandos are likely already sweating to work on creating a plan of operation to disable systems.
    1. shamil
      shamil 31 May 2013 09: 15 New
      +4
      Russia is also interested in their safety, in the same place our experts-advisers of "different stripes"
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 31 May 2013 11: 14 New
        +2
        It goes without saying! BUT and Israel, the US and the EU are not shaky - they know how to spoil be healthy ...

        There, Jews are already shouting about the possibility of an attack on Russian BDKs carrying C300
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 31 May 2013 14: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: JonnyT
          It goes without saying! BUT and Israel, the US and the EU are not shaky - they know how to spoil be healthy ...

          There, Jews are already shouting about the possibility of an attack on Russian BDKs carrying C300

          an open attack on a warship of another country in itself is Casus belli, i.e. occasion for the outbreak of hostilities ...
          and they are going to destroy the S-300 en route to the position.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 31 May 2013 08: 29 New
    +4
    Article plus. One name is worth smile Now let the "crap-ratizers" think with their head off, and not opi.
  • Yuras222
    Yuras222 31 May 2013 08: 30 New
    +5
    The S-300 returns the balance of power to the region, Israel’s bombing cannot succeed, it cannot suppress such air defense, all hope is for amers with their massive launches of the Kyrgyz Republic, but this is a completely different level of conflict and our fleet will not stand and watch if the amers begin bomb. The situation for the enemy is stalemate, it remains to stand and rattle with arms while Assad crushes terrorists, and when he crushes to return home with a bare ass.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 31 May 2013 09: 52 New
      +3
      They will be able to suppress, only now they will lose 122 planes from 144 launches from C-300 (the defeat coefficient at the very minimum 0,85, usually it is much higher even for cruise missiles), the only question is whether they are ready to put so many pilots at once, I think that they’re not ready ... In addition, there are other air defense systems that will also open fire. If the Air Force will have such a massive loss, Benya and his government will fly guaranteed to resign. As for security, from the fall their special forces train very good specialists.
      1. Professor
        Professor 31 May 2013 10: 00 New
        -3
        Quote: Andrey57
        They can suppress, only now 122 aircraft from 144 launches with C-300 they will lose with guarantee

        Of course guaranteed. Here is just one example of a kamikaze drone for air defense systems. Do you know how many such armed bourgeoisie are?




        Quote: Andrey57
        As for security, from the fall their special forces train very good specialists.

        Do not forget to equip them with fly swatter to intercept Tamuz.
        1. Andrey57
          Andrey57 31 May 2013 10: 11 New
          +4
          Of course, we will equip them with a little more modern "fly swatter" than those with which mattress drones were planted in Iran, and, most likely, these "fly swatter" are included and already in place. And if you think that our S-300 operators, I apologize - instructors, will shoot from the S-300 at drones, then do not hope, although, if you wish, you can connect many Russian air defense systems that are in Syria to the S-300 command module. laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 31 May 2013 10: 19 New
            -4
            You have not learned the materiel. The S-300 is unable to distinguish false targets from real ones, but that doesn't matter. They will not "shoot" at kamikaze drones and do not need to. Drones will destroy targets. Regarding the flies, can you tell me how you will shoot down ATGMs? KAZ? wink
            1. Andrey57
              Andrey57 31 May 2013 11: 34 New
              +5
              You have not learned the materiel
              Strongly resembles a parrot, "fly swatter" in the form of "Shells" and "Thors" are quite suitable, but in the target selection capabilities of the 3-S-300 everything is fine, so they will work not on drones, but on manned aircraft.
              1. Professor
                Professor 31 May 2013 11: 45 New
                -3
                Quote: Andrey57
                Strongly resembles a parrot, "fly swatter" in the form of "Shells" and "Thors" are quite suitable, but in the target selection capabilities of the 3-S-300 everything is fine, so they will work not on drones, but on manned aircraft.

                You have not just mastered the materiel, you absolutely do not understand it. Neither Armor nor Torah are able to distinguish a cheap false target from a real plane. About the interception of ATGMs, MLRS shells and barrel artillery in general I am silent.
                Teach materiel!
                1. Andrey57
                  Andrey57 31 May 2013 11: 59 New
                  +5
                  Like a parrot, of course, all of the above flies exclusively at the same speeds and absolutely the same paths, and the developers of Russian air defense systems, well, are just dumb by nature and have no idea how they poor can learn to distinguish goals and conduct their selection, only Israeli Jews are the only ones in the world smart and everything can laughing
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 31 May 2013 12: 03 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Andrey57
                    blah blah blah

                    In addition to the slogans, are they able to analyze the performance characteristics of the false goals I have cited? Do you even have a clue what it is? At least you look at the wiki, I don’t expect more from you.
                    1. Evgeny_Lev
                      Evgeny_Lev 31 May 2013 15: 57 New
                      +3
                      "Professor" do not post your freaks here))
                      If you are here about false targets and "blah blah blah" gutari, so do not forget to mention the "inflatable army". Or do you remember about her only when it is convenient for you?
                      All around are fools, some Jews in rockets are just docks. It’s they who regularly fly into space on their launch vehicles. They are building intercontinental ballists))) The best MLRS in the world are also Jewish))
                      Remind Vidyuha from 080808, how did your Zadron Sukhoi see and immediately lie down?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 31 May 2013 16: 09 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
                        If you are here about false targets and "blah blah blah" gutarite, do not forget to mention the "inflatable army".

                        How can one forget about rubber products and their unique thermal signature. And the bonds of experience in their combat use in general causes goosebumps on the back.

                        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
                        The best MLRS in the world are also Jewish))

                        having no channels in the world we know whose wink
            2. Oberst_71
              Oberst_71 31 May 2013 12: 55 New
              0
              oh not capable? You think so.
        2. Megavolt
          Megavolt 31 May 2013 10: 47 New
          +5
          Do not forget to equip them with fly swatter to intercept Tamuz.

          "Fly swatter", I'm sure there will be the same ...

          The shells, by the way, were developed in order not to "shoot a cannon at sparrows" and precisely to cover the S-300 and S-400 anti-aircraft systems.
        3. Kirgudum
          Kirgudum 31 May 2013 12: 00 New
          -1
          To hit the target, these drones need to overcome the second and first air defense echelon around the S-300. In general, all these gadgets like drones are good against banana republics with outdated or outdated air defense, and not against modern air defense systems such as S-300, covered with Buks, Shells, anti-aircraft guns ... And this drone is not even supersonic , an excellent target for "Tunguska" or even "Shilka".
          1. Professor
            Professor 31 May 2013 12: 07 New
            -7
            Quote: Kirgudum
            In general, all these gimmicks like drones are good against banana republics with outdated or outdated air defenses, and not against modern air defense systems like S-300, covered with Buks, Shells, and anti-aircraft guns ..

            How I "like" the comparison of Russia, which has the world's most advanced air defense system, with a banana republic. And can you quote Shamanov's statement about the powerlessness of the Russian troops in front of the Hermes UAV?
            1. Kirgudum
              Kirgudum 31 May 2013 12: 31 New
              +2
              If it does not bother you, then please provide me with an interest in the context in which he said this.

              And then I'm very curious why Israel was so scared of the supply of S-300s to Syria, if all Russian weapons are powerless only in front of some UAVs that you have and are better than the Hermes?
              1. Professor
                Professor 31 May 2013 12: 40 New
                -4
                Interlocutor: Vladimir Shamanov: “Sharpen the army structure for today's wars”
                In the same Abkhazian direction, Georgian drones regularly flew over the positions of our troops, and in most cases we had to put up with this. These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp for hours with impunity for hours because military air defense systems “didn’t take them”: ZU-23 anti-aircraft missiles didn’t penetrate, and MANPADS did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from drones.


                Quote: Kirgudum
                And then I'm very curious why Israel was so scared of the supply of S-300s to Syria, if all Russian weapons are powerless only in front of some UAVs that you have and are better than the Hermes?

                Many laugh here, but Israel fears the supply of these funds to Hezbollah and their use against passenger aircraft.
                1. Babon
                  Babon 31 May 2013 12: 57 New
                  +2
                  Professor
                  You once wrote, but if modern anti-tank weapons such as Javelin get to the "rebels", the khan will be a T-72m. But when you wrote, did you think that these complexes are likely to end up in Iran? They will simply be sold, they will not even shoot. Even not to Russian designers will they get?
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 31 May 2013 13: 20 New
                    -3
                    Will the Sunnis hand over / sell them to the Shiites? And the paradise of the earth will come ... laughing
                    1. Babon
                      Babon 31 May 2013 13: 31 New
                      0
                      And what about the Arabs are all so honest and religious? You think for the sake of money, they will not sell? In general, I look on YouTube how they are fighting, my opinion is that they don’t need life, as if they’ll kill well, okay, so do all Arabs fight? These are children, not warriors. So, of course, they will always be defeated.
                    2. asbaev
                      asbaev 31 May 2013 19: 30 New
                      +4
                      That's because of such professors and persecution of the Jewish people. Several of these professors are provocateurs, and a whole nation is tormented
                2. Kirgudum
                  Kirgudum 31 May 2013 13: 12 New
                  -1
                  But what about a drone in Georgia, shot down by a Russian plane?
                  Well, no one will transfer anything to Hezbollah - they themselves need to, and this transfer will become a pretext for a war against Syria by NATO - if from the S-300 there is at least one launch on a civilian plane, it does not matter, from the territory of Syria or Lebanon - Syria, nothing will not help, and Assad understands this.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 31 May 2013 13: 32 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Kirgudum
                    But what about a drone in Georgia, shot down by a Russian plane?

                    1. Ask Shamanov.
                    2. We are talking about air defense systems.
                    1. xan
                      xan 31 May 2013 23: 30 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      We are talking about air defense systems.

                      It's about whether this Hermes had to be knocked down or not
                      As soon as it became necessary, a fighter and pistorius flew to Hermes
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 1 June 2013 07: 47 New
                        -2
                        8.8.8 fighters broke or were afraid of the same air defense system since they did not bring down a single Hermes? wink
                3. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 31 May 2013 14: 21 New
                  +1
                  These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp for hours with impunity for hours because the air defense forces “didn’t take them”: the ZU-23 anti-aircraft missiles didn’t penetrate, and the MANPADS did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from the drones.

                  were there "Tunguska" or S300V (VM)? no, it was not. the maximum that was was "Wasp"
            2. Oberst_71
              Oberst_71 31 May 2013 12: 57 New
              0
              Shamans paratrooper. You can say that. S-300 is rather weak. but the s-500 is good.
              1. Babon
                Babon 31 May 2013 13: 01 New
                +2
                The S-500 is good, but where are the missiles with such characteristics?
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 31 May 2013 13: 18 New
                  +3
                  The S-500 is good, but where are the missiles with such characteristics?

                  so far only on paper, for the S-400 only that year they dealt with technical problems ...
                  1. Babon
                    Babon 31 May 2013 13: 20 New
                    0
                    That's the whole point, I believe that they will be the best, but so far they are not there.
            3. FOX.
              FOX. 31 May 2013 13: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Can you quote Shamanov’s statement about the powerlessness of the Russian troops in front of the Hermes UAV?

              Bring, be kind, ONLY WITH LINKS, PLEASE.
              1. Professor
                Professor 31 May 2013 13: 53 New
                -1
                Already, see above.
                Waiting for your apology
                1. FOX.
                  FOX. 31 May 2013 14: 01 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Waiting for your apology

                  While this is just your fiction and nothing more, I asked for a link to the "interview". So on the apology for now, fish yourself. hi
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 31 May 2013 14: 04 New
                    0
                    Quote: FOX.
                    While this is just your fiction and nothing more, I asked for a link to the "interview".

                    Develop eyes, there is a link. You must click on it. fool
                    1. FOX.
                      FOX. 31 May 2013 14: 23 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      Professor

                      In general, you are certainly a master of distorting and distorting what anyone has written or said. In the interview, we are talking about what our Buk units lacked. After all, each system has its own purpose and scope.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 31 May 2013 14: 50 New
                        -3
                        I can read. Words of Shamanov: These Hermes UAVs manufactured in Israel for hours with impunity circled above the camp of paratroopers, because the military air defense systems “didn’t take them”: ZU-23 anti-aircraft installations did not shoot through, and MANPADS missiles did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from drones. Refute them? Not fly with impunity? Did their air defense knock down?
            4. alexkross83
              alexkross83 31 May 2013 14: 16 New
              +1
              What is your indefatigable passion for war and weapons ... but rotten, dear, this is until you yourself have felt on yourself. Tell me is it genetically with you?
              1. Professor
                Professor 31 May 2013 14: 51 New
                -3
                The love of weapons is genetic. What are you doing on Military Review? This is not a pacifist site.