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Russian gas warning

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According to the National Bank of Qatar, the proven reserves of natural gas in this country reach 25,06 trillion. cubic meters. Experts have calculated: such reserves allow a small state to produce gas in the current considerable volumes for as many 160 years.


Russian gas warning


As indicated correspondent ITAR-TASS Vitaly Makarchev, the main reserves of Qatari gas are located in the North Field offshore field. In 2012, Qatar produced 420 million cubic meters of gas. Since 2006, this country has been holding the world championship in the export of liquefied natural gas. Last year, Qatar supplied 77 million tons of blue fuel (almost all of the LNG produced by it) to foreign markets, which amounted to 31% of the global export of liquefied gas.

There are reports that the Arab state is considering the issue of building a strategic gas pipeline to the European Union. He will pass through Syria and Turkey.

An unnamed employee of the City of London noticed in an interview with a correspondent. ITAR-TASS:

“The events now taking place in Syria, Qatar’s wide and intensive support for the Syrian armed opposition, is largely determined by the fact that Qatar is seeking to enter the EU’s internal gas market and become a strategic supplier of fuel to the EU.”


Thus, it became clear yet another reason for the war in Syria, and at the same time the reason why Qatar is actively arming the Syrian militants and opposing Bashar al-Assad.

Journalists sounded the alarm: with Qatar gas competition in Europe, what will happen to Russia?

Yuri Levykin (Utro.ru) writes that the basis of the Russian economy - gas exports - may soon be under threat. Indeed, thanks to close cooperation with Exxon Mobil and BP, Qatar has the most advanced technologies in the field of gas production and liquefaction.

In addition, Qatar is able to lead in the export of LNG, which has its own transport fleet, consisting of ultra-modern gas tankers with a displacement of up to 270 thousand tons.

Finally, relatively easily recoverable gas reserves with a relatively small population of the country provides Qatar with annual economic growth in more than 10% (one of the best indicators in the world).

According to Yu. Levykina, Qatar, which is developing new gas markets, is already beginning to compete with Russia in Europe. Qatari LNG and the shale revolution are one of the main reasons for Russia's defeat in the liquefied gas market, the journalist writes.

Moreover, there are unfounded assumptions that Qatar is about to enter the European markets with natural pipeline gas. And such a circumstance can inflict a crushing blow on Russia's energy power.

“... Due to the lower cost of Qatari gas, the entire system of gas supplies to Europe, built by Gazprom for years, could collapse. And for this, Qatar does not need to completely squeeze it out of the European market. The appearance on it of even insignificant volumes at a lower price than that of Gazprom will force the Russian monopolist to lower the price tag and change the terms of the contracts. However, unlike Qatar, with its cheaper gas and modern extraction technologies, the possibility of a price war with a Russian supplier is seriously limited. ”


The coming attempt of Qatar to enter the European market with pipeline gas is indicated by the assumptions of many analysts who link the events in Syria with the desire of Qatar and its influential allies to build a gas pipeline to the Mediterranean Sea bypassing Iran. The latter, due to political reasons, is the main limiter of the Qatari gas expansion. Therefore, Qatar is interested in a bypass pipe passing through Syrian land.

In the case of the fall of Assad, the journalist writes, Qatar will have the opportunity to bring the gas pipe to the Mediterranean Sea, and then take it to Europe. And then there will come sad consequences for Russia.

But it cannot be said that the dangers of such a development of events were not realized in the Kremlin. This, the author of the material notes, and its rather tough position on Syria is substantiated.

Another Russian gas warning came from Skolkovo. Roman Markelov (Rossiyskaya Gazeta), referring to the research data of the energy center of the Moscow School of Management Skolkovo, writes that by 2020, Russia risks completely giving the LNG market to its competitors if it does not introduce new production facilities.

According to the report's authors, the prospects for the Russian LNG market for the next seven years are no more than 6% growth. Moreover, this indicator will be able to provide only the timely commissioning of Russian plants.

If this does not happen, then, as analysts say, Russia's share in the LNG market will be reduced to two percent. Meanwhile, following the results of 2012, the Russian Federation occupied the 8-place in the world with a market share of 4,5%. Recall in the first place - Qatar.

As for the demand for liquefied natural gas in the world, analysts predict its growth. The largest consumers of LNG are Japan and South Korea. Europe will not lag behind in gas purchases: in the Old World, the demand for LNG will more than double in 2020 year. Global demand for this time is estimated by experts at 400 million tons per year. And by the year 2030 - even in 500 million tons.

Competitors of Russia on the world stage are Australia and the United States. In the next six to seven years, these countries may increase production capacity to 580 million tons per year.

The researchers conclude that the main thing for LNG suppliers is to closely monitor the timeframes for the introduction of new production capacities and the timeframes for concluding gas supply contracts. The journalist quotes experts:

"Any projects that will not be able to provide a source of demand for the period 2016-2020 for some period of time may be outside the market."


Against this unfavorable background, the president of the Russian Gas Society, Valery Yazev, also singled out among others the Qatari factor. Alexey Tsypin and Denis Dubrovin talked with him (ITAR-TASS, Moscow - Brussels).

Skeptical about the “shale revolution,” Valery Yazev said that in terms of competition with Russian gas, Australian, Iranian and Qatari gas are significant on the market today.

He further noted:

“We are not afraid of competition. As you know, Gazprom in the European gas market is in a situation of tough competition between the largest suppliers of natural gas and at the same time occupies a leading position. These positions no one brought on a plate. This is the result of effective work ... "


In the article "Is Qatar waiting for a cloudless future?" ("Le Huffington Post", France; source of translation - "InoSMI") Benoit Margot, consultant and specialist in Middle Eastern geostrategy, writes that Qatar was lucky. But, proceeding precisely from this very luck, the achievements of Doha are prematurely called sustainable.

Extremely favorable conditions have been created for the dizzying takeoff of tiny Qatar. At the disposal of this state are: 1) gas; 2) Emir Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, who for years 20 embodies his country's international ambitions; 3) is a deep economic crisis of the Western capitalist world that originated in the USA in 2007 year. Qatar’s hand and the current absence of a regional leader is due to the “Arab Spring”.

Since the beginning of the global financial crisis, the volume of Qatari investment in Europe has steeped upward. The influence of Doha in the Maghreb and in the Middle East reached its apogee from 2011.

“At the moment, the traditional Atlantic powers are losing ground in the Persian Gulf. Egypt was in a state of permanent revolution. Saudi Arabia and Algeria are gerontocracies under general anesthesia. Libya can’t find the way to the future. An explosion is brewing in Iraq, and Syria is heading for the abyss of self-destruction.

In such conditions, smart Qatar decided to take an empty place ... "


Today, Qatar is trying to prepare the ground for the future in order to secure a solid place in the international arena. In 2008, the Qatar-2030 program was launched. The emirate intends to circumvent foreign countries in the field of technology through the development of new sectors of the economy. Qatari also closely monitor the market for raw materials.

What is the weakness of the plans of Qatar?

The emirate, the expert writes, may lose its trump cards, as well as pay a high price due to a change in trends in the international arena. Gas market prices can go down. The shale gas boom will affect the competitiveness of Qatari gas, especially considering the weak diversification of its customers. Asian consumers can reorient themselves to Australia, which has every chance of ousting Qatar from the first place.

As for Europe, local customers may consider the recently discovered deposits in the eastern Mediterranean as well as future projects in Russia to be preferable.

Another risk factor: the Emir of Qatar, apparently intends to soon leave power. His health deteriorated, and he was about to hand over the throne to Crown Prince Tamim. A son can not boast of charisma or political vision of his father, the journalist writes. In addition, there is also the “gray cardinal”, the rival of the emir - his cousin Hamad bin Jaber Al Thani, who is now combining the posts of prime minister and minister of foreign affairs.

But the main thing is the geographical location of the country. This small and arid country, reminds the author of the material, almost completely relies on other states in ensuring their security, food needs and even labor.

The tiny Emirate is dependent on the favor of foreign patrons: in exchange for security, Qatar may turn out to be a US-Saudi protectorate. The Emir, according to Benoit Margot, must think about the precedent of neighboring Kuwait, which was never able to recover from the Iraqi invasion of 1990.

Let's sum up. Qatar turned out to be both an economic and geopolitical rival of Russia. In the gas issue, he ambitiously aimed at ousting Gazprom from Europe, and politically - at shifting Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Both targets have a gas background. And what about Russia? By not letting the West and the monarchies of the Gulf tear apart Syria, it takes care of its own economic security.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Dima190579
    Dima190579 31 May 2013 07: 57 New
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    But what about Russia? By preventing the West and the Gulf monarchies from tearing Syria apart, it takes care of its own economic security. People are dying for gas and for the economic prosperity of Russia. Naturally, Putin is helping Assad. I would help the same.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 08: 13 New
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      In any case, Qatar will become a bargaining chip. Life is not constant, everything goes, everything changes. As soon as the warrior leaves the borders of Syria, all Qatar's ambitions will be covered with a copper basin, together with Qatar itself.
      1. Ataman
        Ataman 31 May 2013 09: 52 New
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        Finally, the Americans turned on the brain and launched an advertising campaign:
        Get your natural wealth! Fight each other to reduce their cost! Sell ​​them for nothing! And you won’t have time, and we won’t buy your wealth from you, but buy from others! You won’t have time to market!

        Pipeline gas is cheaper. LNG and shale are more expensive. Russia already sells a huge amount of gas. There is nothing to worry about.
        And yet, the remark is off topic, Russia should sell gas for Russian rubles, and not for American candy wrappers.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 31 May 2013 10: 05 New
          +3
          "Pipeline gas is cheaper. LNG and shale are more expensive. Russia is already selling huge amounts of gas. There is nothing to worry about." Ataman, the topic of gas wars is not new and I had a chance to talk to understanding people at one time (let's say economists from the field of gas production). And so, transportation through the pipe is undoubtedly cheaper, but production itself is more expensive here.
          a simple example is oil (not gas, but I think that the order of numbers is not very different there. The numbers are not accurate, I’m saying right away, just approximate.) let's say the world price of oil is $ 100 per barrel, production in the Russian Federation (cost) -14 (only production , without transportation), and in the UAE - $ 4-6. Thus, we can assume that in the case of increased oil production by the wards (and gas, respectively), lower prices will hit us harder, and given the possibility of help (financial) to the Arabs from the states a year and a half, the UAE can live "in debt", in the Russian Federation there will be a terrible crisis. not only economic, but also political.
          it’s just one of the options for further gas and oil wars.
          "Russia already sells a huge amount of gas. There is nothing to worry about." - it sells to Europe and China (mainly). If Europe jumps off the Russian pipeline (and the price falls on gas), then you should not hope that China will take at higher prices - The Chinese will begin to dictate their prices and losses will only increase. Therefore, there is always something to worry about)
          1. optimist
            optimist 31 May 2013 13: 30 New
            -7
            It is high time! I mean, get off ... Oil and gas for Russia now, is all the same as a free heroin for a drug addict. So a sharp drop in prices is the only option for changing the political and social system in the country. Otherwise, putinoids will be eternal ... laughing
            1. Joker
              Joker 31 May 2013 15: 31 New
              +7
              I would only be glad if Qatar had pressed Gazprom, and the more serious, the better. Maybe then the government will understand that it is necessary to develop the economy, and not to engage in the sale of resources for green candy wrappers. Although as usual the people will suffer, the baryg always have all the same.
            2. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 31 May 2013 20: 23 New
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              Quote: optimist
              It is high time! I mean, get off ... Oil and gas for Russia now, is all the same as a free heroin for a drug addict. So a sharp drop in prices is the only option for changing the political and social system in the country. Otherwise, putinoids will be eternal ...

              Unfortunately this is nonsense. In fact, our "oil needle" is the greatest good. Which helped convey to us the collapse of our former system.
              The only source to get off the “needle” is the initiative of our citizens and their entrepreneurial spirit, and oil and gas revenues are an excellent stimulator for the growth of other sectors of the economy. If there is no excess mass of money in the country, then modern infrastructure and the necessary conditions for economic development will never be modernized and built. And there will be no demand for services of all sectors of the economy. At least solvent demand. We need not wait for it to fall from the sky, but simply build our business today, while oil and gas give a respite to our country.
              1. optimist
                optimist 31 May 2013 22: 25 New
                +2
                You, dear, do not seem to know the realities of life in Russia. And the reality is this: until a fried bird pecks in one place, a man will not scratch oneself. Putin and K are sitting in the Kremlin, sharing oil and gas loot, throwing something to the plebs (to us) so that they don’t blather. And on x .. im modernization and other mutoten ??? Salvage is already dripping (more precisely, it flows like a river) !!! And then on one (not perfect) day, prices fall: the plebs goes out onto the street with a pitchfork and plunges their authorities into the loin. Something similar happened in October 1917: in St. Petersburg sheds, bread ran out. Further, I think it is not necessary to tell.
                PS And minus, apparently, those who lowered their face into the oil and gas feeder ...
                1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
                  NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 May 2013 23: 20 New
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                  I put a plus .....
                2. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ 31 May 2013 23: 58 New
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                  Quote: optimist
                  You, dear, do not seem to know the realities of life in Russia. And the reality is this: until a fried bird pecks in one place, a man will not scratch oneself. Putin and K are sitting in the Kremlin, sharing oil and gas loot, throwing something to the plebs (to us) so that they don’t blather. And on x .. im modernization and other mutoten ??? Salvage is already dripping (more precisely, it flows like a river) !!! And then on one (not perfect) day, prices fall: the plebs goes out onto the street with a pitchfork and plunges their authorities into the loin. Something similar happened in October 1917: in St. Petersburg sheds, bread ran out. Further, I think it is not necessary to tell. PS And minus, apparently, those who lowered their face into the oil and gas feeder ...

                  You are naively reasoning and embittered in your words. But you are not angry with those people and not the events that made you so.
                  What plebs pleases is all the social guarantees in our country, pensions and benefits, without which the lives of most of our citizens could simply end. Oil and gas are sold for a reason and to extract these resources geologists and drillers. Builders and engineers work in seven pots, all this is given for a reason. And not for sale for comedies. Each ton of oil that leaves the borders of our state brings to the budget $ 411, plus the company that produces it pays MET and all social taxes for workers. It gives jobs to millions of people and all these people get the money they spend. And already their spending creates around them several rings of economic cycles, which in turn allow tens of millions to earn and create new industries to meet the needs of the whole people.

                  And when the plebs comes out with a pitchfork, only every third person returns home alive and the guys from the other side are always happy to watch such events in our country.

                  So do not write nonsense and do not play along with the enemies of your country.
                  1. optimist
                    optimist 1 June 2013 00: 14 New
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                    At the expense of bitterness, you correctly noticed. But I’m not embittered because I don’t share the oil and gas pie, or am deprived of anything at all. But because I do not want my descendants to live in a country of thieves and bandits. You can tell me for a long time and in detail about the movement of money and resources, but I know one thing for sure: today all this wealth is the curse of Russia. And we became like the Papuans, who at one time sold themselves and their freedom for cheap trinkets. Smart people in the West have long understood: the most terrible enemies of the Russians are the Russians themselves. And about "every third" is also not necessary: ​​in the current state of things, the Russians themselves will die out in 2-3 decades. So this is another question, who is playing along with the enemies ...
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 1 June 2013 04: 38 New
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                      Quote: optimist
                      But because I do not want my descendants to live in a country of thieves and bandits.

                      The long journey begins with the first step.
                      To paraphrase - the upbringing of the country begins with the upbringing of one person.
                      Raise your children as you see fit, this is the only way for a simple person to change something.
                    2. zardoz
                      zardoz 1 June 2013 14: 49 New
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                      Quote: optimist
                      But because I don’t want my descendants to live in a country of thieves and bandits


                      Well, in general, you have little choice - not to have any descendants at all or to move to a deserted island on a draw (if there are any). And so I do not know the countries that are suitable for your conditions :)

                      And the main message of Gluxar_ is to go work (not necessarily for an uncle / aunt) and work on yourself and loved ones and everything will be fine :)
                    3. evfrat
                      evfrat 2 June 2013 01: 03 New
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                      I agree, but where does oil and gas?
            3. mihasik
              mihasik 31 May 2013 22: 49 New
              +7
              What are you missing for revolution, deficit and hunger? Take a tour of North Africa, it may feel better. To get off you need to do something yourself and head off with your head and pens, and not eat chips with beer under the TV and wait for happiness to come !!
            4. evfrat
              evfrat 2 June 2013 01: 01 New
              +1
              Someone has resources and he sells them. Someone has no nichrome, and so he comes up with machine tools and rivets pots from them from resources. These pans are bought by someone who has the resources. Why should Russia become Japan? When can we buy Japan with its pots for our resources? Do not succumb to liberal nonsense about the raw material needle. Russia has been trading resources all its history and there is nothing wrong with that.
          2. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 31 May 2013 20: 19 New
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            Quote: fartfraer
            a simple example is oil (not gas, but I think that the order of numbers is not very different there. The numbers are not accurate, I’m saying right away, just approximate.) let's say the world price of oil is $ 100 per barrel, production in the Russian Federation (cost) -14 (only production , without transportation), and in the UAE - $ 4-6. Thus, we can assume that in the case of increased oil production by the wards (and gas, respectively), lower prices will hit us harder, and given the possibility of help (financial) to the Arabs from the states a year and a half, the UAE can live "in debt", in the Russian Federation there will be a terrible crisis. not only economic, but also political.

            Well, you’re more mistaken than you think correctly.
            The cost of gas in Russia is much lower than in the whole world. In Russia, there are many already developed fields. Accordingly, and the cost of production is low. Some of the new projects were frozen when gas demand in Europe began to fall.
            In Qatar, production is cheaper than in Russia, but the LNG production process and its subsequent degassing cost today about $ 40 per 1000 cubic meters. Of course, all this can be done only on special terminals, of which there are certainly not a few, but still very few, and they themselves are very expensive. In addition, gas must also be delivered somehow, the cost of a gas carrier freight per day reaches from 110t to 350t dollars, depending on the class of the ship.
            Of course, there is such a thing as maritime traffic. And to ensure at least 30% of the needs in Europe, a colossal fleet of gas carriers will be needed, which are not yet enough and mainly work for the Asian region. If it is possible to double the fleet of gas carriers, then decades will take to build, then in this case, shipping in the ports of LNG reception will turn into a hellish sight. And if a catastrophe or terrorist attack occurs? What about piracy? The capacity of Suez will not withstand such traffic, there and now ordinary container ships wait for days. There are many drawbacks to the idea of ​​supplying Europe with LNG, and there is only one declared plus. Namely, the price of such gas.
            However, just 2 months ago, the spot price for LNG was at $ 450 per 1000 cubic meters, which is much higher than the price of Russian gas.
            So this is the picture. Moreover, the orgom share in the cost of Russian gas is severance taxes and duties, rather than technical issues, as is the case with LNG. Therefore, to increase competitiveness, the Cabinet of Ministers can reduce duties and get gas significantly cheaper than competitors in a week. And to reduce LNG, you need to invest billions in terminals and the fleet and wait for returns for decades. So LNG is not a competitor to Russian pipeline gas and will never be able to become such.
            However, Qatari LNG is a competitor to Russian LNG, there are indeed problems here, although this market is not so important for the Russian Federation. The fact is that some gas projects, mainly on the Arctic shelf, are very expensive if they are connected to the Russian pipeline system, and the remoteness of some is not economically justified by distilling such gas for thousands of kilometers and only to the border of the Russian Federation. For such projects, the creation of LNG plants directly "at the well" is economically justified.

            So Russia has something to worry about, however, if it succeeds in reaching an agreement with the DPRK and laying a pipeline to South Korea, and from there to Japan ... then, itself, the other LNG itself will die as an economic failure.
            1. matross
              matross 31 May 2013 20: 53 New
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              I try to avoid thank-you posts, just so as not to mess up the forum. But here, sorry, could not resist. Thank you for the competent, detailed and intelligible justification of your position. By the way, I agree with her. You plus good
            2. fartfraer
              fartfraer 31 May 2013 21: 02 New
              +2
              I agree, I can be wrong. By the way, if you’re not telling us so much about how much separation of oil from "extraneous" products (water, etc.) costs
              I just was on a watch at the Nizhny Tarskoye deposit, there is not very “black gold” running there, rather dirty water. Well, the costs of shift camps, transportation, etc. we will have more, I think. although I do not argue with you.
            3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
              NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 May 2013 23: 28 New
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              Judging by the comments, you are special ....... only in your calculations did you miss the cost of laying this very pipe and it’s many, many km ..... for some reason you didn’t take this into account and did not take into account that the pipe lies on foreign land who are the friends today tomorrow, there are examples .... we will think that they did this not intentionally due to a misunderstanding .... but in general there were people in the government who said that LNG plants should be done ten years ago, but there are no prophets in our own country ... and the future for LNG .. no one denies this, not even Mueller ....
              1. Egen
                Egen 1 June 2013 08: 48 New
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                Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
                for LNG the future .. no one denies this, not even Mueller

                :)) Well, when the Germans LNG was not there :))
                LNG should not be seen as a new product, but as a means of logistics. In some cases, the cheaper pipe, in some - LNG. For example, from Australia to Japan you can’t extend a pipe :)
                Logistically, LNG is more universal than a pipe - wherever you went there :) But if Europe already has a network of pipelines, anyone will count more than once when it will pay off to build new LNG terminals to replace the pipe.
                Gazprom, on the other hand, scratches turnips where to get gas - this is evidenced by the acceleration of regional gasification programs. It is clear that it’s easier to sell on your market, and at the prices set by the state (whatever it wants). IMHO this is good: on the 1 side, we may lose revenue from gas exports, but we may lose it anyway; and with 2, the domestic market is developing: at least someone is investing something in the country, and not FROM.
          3. Ataman
            Ataman 31 May 2013 21: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: fartfraer
            if Europe jumps off the Russian pipeline (and the price falls on gas)

            So you are led to bourgeois propaganda.
            The first one. It does not come off, and every year more and more it sticks.
            The second one. OPEC is not interested in lowering prices and the influence of America on it is not unlimited.
            The third. This is Russia laying pipelines to China so as not to depend on one buyer.
            Fourth. Oil production in Russia is really more expensive and it is of lower quality. But, if desired, Russia can easily plug Qatar into LNG. Cooling the gas to -160 degrees is much more profitable at -30, but not at +50.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 31 May 2013 21: 18 New
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              Until they are profitable, they will not jump off, I agree. But they are looking for other ways of supply, exports will fall.
              China is certainly good, I do not argue, but China will take at world prices, not more expensive. Once again, dependence on European markets, etc.
              in one I agree, as long as there is no branch of the gas pipeline from Qatar, etc., the competitors in the Russian Federation will not completely lose the market.
              and it’s not a matter of propaganda, it’s the loss of monopoly on supplies. let’s not now, in a year, two or three. but this time is very short
              1. Genady1976
                Genady1976 31 May 2013 21: 34 New
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                Russia itself can feed itself and even half the world how much fertile land.
                Yes, that's just our people do not really like to work and the bureaucrats are different
                interfere with those who want to desire Russia can live perfectly and without foreign candy wrappers yes
                1. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ 1 June 2013 00: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Genady1976
                  Russia itself can feed itself and even half the world how much fertile land. Yes, only our people do not really like to work and bureaucrats are different for those who want, if they want, Russia can live perfectly without foreign wrappers

                  Everything is true and the Russians work very well, just the media give the information very distorted.
                  It is important that everyone simply understands how this world works and, depending on their knowledge and skills, choose their own path and walk along it, rather than waiting for happiness to pick it up.
                  Want to do business, do it. The conditions are acceptable, but have to be poked. No way without it.
                  1. OLGRIN
                    OLGRIN 1 June 2013 10: 53 New
                    +2
                    I agree that it is necessary to work - that's wheezing, we are working. But only taxes should be simplified - simpler, clearer, without a fool.
                    Taxes are steep on taking those who sell resources, because resources are the property of the people, that is, all of us and our descendants.
                    And to someone who at least tries to do something, it would not be bad for himself to propose a friendly banking policy from the state, and not su..i percent.
          4. Don
            Don 4 June 2013 14: 14 New
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            Quote: fartfraer
            if Europe jumps off the Russian pipeline

            Why, then, does Europe invest in Russian gas pipelines?
        2. Gladiatir-zlo
          Gladiatir-zlo 2 June 2013 12: 31 New
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          Damn here the flow of smart people, respect to all of you, and I'm serious.

          Nuna to develop industrial production at a modern technological level. And for starters, change the customs code of our country. They set up customs for the export of raw materials, and then they double up, they can be flown away. And there you look and our peasants will show themselves
      2. smirnov
        smirnov 31 May 2013 21: 12 New
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        Something reminded the behavior of Poland before the Second World War ...
      3. Gladiatir-zlo
        Gladiatir-zlo 2 June 2013 12: 25 New
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        Ah well done, I agree, everything is so good for the Qatar emirate that there is every chance that Qatar was ordered.

        “At the moment, the traditional Atlantic powers are losing ground in the Persian Gulf. Egypt was in a state of permanent revolution. Saudi Arabia and Algeria are gerontocracies under general anesthesia. Libya can’t find the way to the future. An explosion is brewing in Iraq, and Syria is heading for the abyss of self-destruction.

        In such conditions, smart Qatar decided to take an empty place ... "

        In how, and unless in history there are no examples, that sometimes an obvious leader in the struggle, from which he turned against everyone and everything against himself. There is no alpha country to be an exporter of gas, it is highly doubtful pleasure, because there you can also incite popular anger, and the revolution is small and small.
    2. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 31 May 2013 10: 21 New
      +2
      This is called the “BIG GAME”, only whole countries become victims in it !!!
    3. rolik
      rolik 31 May 2013 10: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Dima190579
      And what about Russia?

      A healthy liquefied gas plant is being built in the Far East. Just focused on Japan, Korea, China. I think it is not in vain that they are building there, for a short time Qatar will be a monopolist in those places.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 31 May 2013 14: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: rolik
        not long Qatar in those places to be a monopolist.

        It is necessary to bomb Qatar, preferably not with your own hands.
    4. Nitup
      Nitup 31 May 2013 12: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Dima190579
      But what about Russia? By preventing the West and the Gulf monarchies from tearing Syria apart, it takes care of its own economic security. People are dying for gas and for the economic prosperity of Russia. Naturally, Putin is helping Assad. I would help the same.

      People die, first of all, for their freedom and country. And then everything else.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 31 May 2013 20: 25 New
        -1
        Quote: Nitup
        People die, first of all, for their freedom and country. And then everything else.

        People die or people suffer differently. But someone comes to kill this people from abroad, and they come to kill for resources, and not for freedom ... well, unless their freedom of consumption.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 31 May 2013 22: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Gluxar_
          People die or people suffer differently. But someone comes to kill this people from abroad, and they come to kill for resources, and not for freedom ... well, unless their freedom of consumption.

          No, first of all, freedom, and then resources. And freedom is including freedom to dispose of one’s resources
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 1 June 2013 00: 32 New
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            Quote: Nitup
            No, first of all, freedom, and then resources. And freedom is including freedom to dispose of one’s resources

            I do not contradict. Just consciously people are dying for freedom. And not consciously for the interests of others ...
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 1 June 2013 04: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Gluxar_
              I do not contradict. Just consciously people are dying for freedom. And not consciously for the interests of others ...

              But I contradict! Freedom is a myth; too modern a person depends on many things that he himself can not create. For the majority, freedom is the right not to work and to receive material benefits from benefits, but this is unfair to workers and infringes on the freedom of the working person.
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    6. Interface
      Interface 31 May 2013 19: 06 New
      0
      It’s very interesting how it will pass through Syria, if for Qatar Assad is a “bloody tyrant, gd, sv --- wha? Hmm, the Arabian sun was robust to the Qatari sheikhs’ heads, if such thoughts visit them, because, as you know Assad is chasing terrorists all over Syria ... And if he wins, what will the Arabs do, though not, not the Arabs ... ah! Their European customers, yes, what will they do? Europe is important from import get rid of quickly, they think "but if ... Russia suddenly turns off the gas, what will happen?! ... uuuuuuuuuu, a frightening influence ...."
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 May 2013 23: 36 New
        0
        And there will be nothing, only our people will go out in a month with the question where is the loot, and it will not be swampy ... and another example in the subject, Ukraine has been blowing our brains for 20 years and we still pump gas and will pump, because if we close the faucet, there’s another source immediately and there’s no confidence in us anymore .. so leave your fantasies for personal use ......... what can we say if we are going to make the pipe to the Serbs at our own expense, because what you need to download non-stop .... like in the jungle .. fell from a palm tree, ate ...
  2. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 31 May 2013 07: 59 New
    34
    There is only one conclusion: Qatar as a state should cease to exist, arrange a small such Libya there. Not all Americans have fun.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 31 May 2013 08: 14 New
      +2
      Here, the mericatos will not do anything like what they are doing in Syria and for it.
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 31 May 2013 09: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: aszzz888
        Here, the mericatos will not do anything like what they are doing in Syria and for it.

        There we must do it! Support the opposition, wind up "protest moods", overthrow the autocracy, in the end! And it may be to incite Qatar to Syria, and Syria to provide all kinds of help. In general, something like this ... Although, I myself do not believe what I say ... Well, this is not our method, not Russian ...
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 31 May 2013 10: 27 New
          -3
          I agree, but insolently, with enthusiasm, in Russian ...
      2. Joker
        Joker 31 May 2013 15: 35 New
        +1
        Conclusion one, Qatar as a state should cease to exist

        This is not our method, forgive me, but I don’t want to go all shit, if Americans like it, it’s their problem, I don’t want to be the same animal. It's one thing to give cuffs to neighbors so that they work and do not relax, and another to kill children, because you propose to do this. We are Russian and we do not fight with children.
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 31 May 2013 22: 56 New
          0
          These "children" of terrorists are preparing for the whole world! Their bases are in Qatar and Saudi Arabia. And do not touch them potochka that under the mattresses have long lay down. They are Arab "democrats" (
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 31 May 2013 08: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: vladsolo56
      arrange there a little such Libya

      Vladimir, why so bloodthirsty and befitting a "mattress" and "geyropetsam"?
      In 2008, the Qatar-2030 program was launched -here is the answer about their oil and gas reserves.
      And as for the "tales" of the "cheap" LNG and the "shale revolution", everyone, by birth, already understood and realized. Only the result is always the same, we need more deposits and more and more and more.
      1. astra
        astra 31 May 2013 12: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Papakiko
        Quote: vladsolo56 to build there such a small Libya, Vladimir, why so bloodthirsty and befitting a "mattress" and "geyropetsam"?

        And imagine that peace has come everywhere on earth, stability everywhere, oil and gas supplies to the market have increased accordingly, it is easy to guess that oil and gas prices will collapse. Even the guardianship organization will not be able to restrain the fall, and since the Russian economy is largely supported by the export of oil and gas, in the event of a fall in prices, our economy will face collapse. So no matter how blasphemous it may sound, at the moment we are interested in instability in the oil-producing regions of the world to maintain high oil and gas prices.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 31 May 2013 14: 53 New
          +4
          Quote: astra
          Imagine that peace has come everywhere on the earth, stability everywhere, the supply of oil and gas to the market has increased accordingly, it is easy to guess that the price of oil and gas will fall down.

          It is easy to guess that if world peace comes, the developing and backward countries will begin to catch up with the developed ones, which will cause a sharp increase in energy demand. In addition, the golden billion will lose its colonies - it will lose all markets it controls, which will cause a collapse in the stagnation in the economy of precisely developed countries, which will balance the demand for energy.
          1. astra
            astra 31 May 2013 21: 53 New
            +3
            Setrac
            This is also true, but it is in the long run. Wait until the developing countries develop to such an extent that they will allow raising the price of oil and gas for a long time. Our economy at the moment is highly dependent on the price of gas and oil, even the rapidly developing China cannot provide a high oil price with its demand for oil.
        2. Yura
          Yura 31 May 2013 15: 02 New
          0
          Quote: astra
          And imagine that peace has come everywhere on earth, stability everywhere, oil and gas supplies to the market have increased accordingly, it is easy to guess that oil and gas prices will collapse. Even the guardianship organization will not be able to restrain the fall, and since the Russian economy is largely supported by the export of oil and gas, in the event of a fall in prices, our economy will face collapse.

          So let's develop your thought further, due to the fact that Russia needs much less funds to support its interests, this price difference may not be so terrible for our economy. Saving is the same as making money.
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 31 May 2013 13: 27 New
        0
        Actually, I was joking, but as you can see in every joke, there is a fraction of a joke
        But agree to sit back and wait for the weather by the sea, also stupid
    3. Horn
      Horn 31 May 2013 09: 47 New
      +2
      Cure Qatar Arab Emirates.
    4. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 31 May 2013 13: 20 New
      +3
      no need to have fun ...
      you just need to bomb this field in the Stone Age (as Churov promised) ...
      and who's stopping us?
      1. matross
        matross 31 May 2013 16: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: DanaF1
        you just need to bomb this field in the Stone Age (as Churov promised) ... and who's stopping us?

        At first glance, the proposal seems childish. And on the second ... no one would have bothered if we dared! And that would completely redraw the whole world, just one powerful killer bombardment without any warnings! Under their own howling europid.ory would continue to buy Gazprom’s gas, the Americans would not rock the boat for fear of unleashing the 3 World, but their further policy would be based on the lessons learned. Syria would be saved. The authority of Russia throughout the world would increase significantly. As friends, they would take a queue to us, and enemies would dig refuge in the courtyards, as in 80. The world in one day could return to a sustainable balance of power.
        Minuses. I do not see them. The possibility of a large-scale war, I think, is negligible. Eurointegration will be covered by the nth - who will cry for it?
        Spoil your relationship with the Saudis and other Sunni riffraff? We can’t fly to the UAE to rest? Gee-gee.
        And the Americans can announce a new reboot - they love it smile
        Sorry to overlook the attention of amateurish reasoning. Maybe someone argues reasonably?
    5. Gari
      Gari 31 May 2013 14: 22 New
      +4
      According to Yu. Levykin, Qatar, which is developing new gas markets, is already starting to compete with Russia in Europe.
      And this state was formed in 1971 (from the UK)
      Territory Total 158th in the world - 11 586 km²
      Population 1
      The tiny emirate is dependent on the grace of foreign patrons: in exchange for security, Qatar may turn out to be an American-Saudi protectorate, or it may already have become - and this is closer to the truth
    6. GG2012
      GG2012 31 May 2013 17: 28 New
      -1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Conclusion one, Qatar as a state should cease to exist

      I would add ... to offer that Syrian AppAzia (and in fact to the terrorists) that they would go to fight a couple - three years in Qatar!
      And Qatar will be Qatar!
  3. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 31 May 2013 08: 01 New
    +6
    Frightened, already horror. But it’s nothing that the exact data on gas and oil reserves in the Gulf countries are classified. In general, it is not known how many of them remain there. And how will they let a thread through Syria? God forbid, Assad will be killed, and after how many years can pipe work be safely carried out? 20? 30? 100?
    1. SPIRITofFREEDOM
      SPIRITofFREEDOM 31 May 2013 08: 16 New
      +8
      When questions arise about the billion and the geopolitical interest of Americans, the armored pipes will be put under guard !!!! Syria MUST survive !!!
      This is an axiom, nowhere to retreat
    2. fartfraer
      fartfraer 31 May 2013 08: 18 New
      +1
      Scythian, when the UAE launches towers for full oil, the world’s price drops sharply, such things are) Qatar is there at all, I think it will have enough resources to arrange a price collapse
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 31 May 2013 08: 37 New
        0
        Quote: fartfraer
        when the UAE launches oil rigs all over the world dramatically cheaper

        Dear you, our "pioneer" is sincerely sorry that you believe in this.
        Listen to this!
        After all, if the stars are lit -
        means - it is necessary for someone?
        So - someone wants them to be?
        So - someone calls these spit
        a pearl?
        And, tearing up
        in the snowstorms of midday dust,
        breaks into God,
        afraid that he was late,
        crying,
        kisses his sinewy hand,
        asks -
        that there must have been a star! -
        swears -
        will not suffer this starless flour!
        And then
        walks alarming,
        but quiet outside.
        He says to someone:
        "But now you have nothing?
        Not scary?
        Yes?!"
        Listen to this!
        After all, if the stars
        light -
        means - it is necessary for someone?
        Hence - it is necessary,
        every evening
        over roofs
        at least one star caught fire ?!

        The "Matrasovskaya" GREAT DEPRESSION was man-made - they themselves recognized this. And much, much does not happen by the will of the GODS. hi
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 31 May 2013 08: 43 New
          +1
          Byron product, if not mistaken?
          on the topic, you, as I understand it, do not believe it at all. Life will show who was right. Then you can explain why the trusteeship (whose leader in terms of resources and influence is the UAE) is able to regulate the price of oil by making a decision to increase or decrease production ?
          "Dear you are our" pioneer "" - I am far from yours, so you can communicate familiarly with those who know you. Otherwise, you will run into the answer. hi
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 31 May 2013 08: 49 New
            +1
            Byron's work

            Oops. All my life I thought that Mayakovsky ...
          2. Mart
            31 May 2013 08: 50 New
            +4
            Quote: fartfraer
            Byron product, if not mistaken?

            Dear comrade, this is Mayakovsky. 1914
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 31 May 2013 09: 47 New
              +2
              maybe I'm not strong in the literature) I admit the mistake, thanks for the amendment
          3. Papakiko
            Papakiko 31 May 2013 17: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: fartfraer
            "Dear you are our" pioneer ""

            Under the "pioneer" it is understood naivety and blind faith in the words that say "older" uncles. (There was no familarny and a gram)
            Quote: fartfraer
            Then explain why the guardianship (whose leader in terms of resources and influence is the UAE) is able to regulate the price of oil by making a decision to increase or decrease production?

            Instructions are given to brokers on the "play" exchange to increase or decrease.
            Quote: fartfraer
            about increase or decrease in production

            How many days pass from the minute when a barrel of oil is pumped out of the ground in Kuwait and delivered to an oil refinery, say in the USA?
            I’ll answer you: From the well to the oil tanks to the port 1-3 days (depending on the distance from the port), the average speed of the supertanker = 11 knots (one node is 1,852 km / h or 0,514 m / s) can go up to 500 km per day .From the "bay", to the "western", to the "eastern" coast of the United States, the distance is almost the same 11900-11200 km. We add the waiting time for unloading and loading (turn) 1-3 days and the time of loading and unloading (varies greatly from weather conditions) TOTAL WE HAVE A MONTH on the way !!!
            And now the question is: do prices change with the same “tail” or immediately after the “open market” of OPEC members and non-members?
            With all due respect. hi
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 31 May 2013 21: 12 New
              +1
              "naivety and blind faith in the words that say" Older "uncles." -Well, I saw what flows through the pipes in the field. Well, that’s not the topic)
              but the topic is that the world market is not regulated by the Russian Federation. And even Gazprom is not in a position to dictate gas prices. The Russian Federation is not ready for the economic and raw-material war. Here is my main idea. Most likely, others are not ready for it yet. " players, "however they qualify.
              Well, a personal-small Qatar can possibly afford to live on resources, a big Russia cannot, but it still lives. The second industrialization is not yet visible, there are no nanotechnological breakthroughs either. I do not argue that something is being done somewhere, the only question is how much will be enough . You need to buy technology, machines, etc., well, you yourself are not quite right, you know everything without me.
        2. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 31 May 2013 11: 05 New
          -1
          Quote: Papakiko
          GREAT DEPRESSION was man-made, they themselves recognized it.


          About the stars you are HEALTHY!
          However, no one has repealed the laws.

          From the series "from 3 to 5" Little Sasha, offended, dropped: "Now I will take and close my eyes!" He naively believed that in this way he would plunge everyone into darkness.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 31 May 2013 17: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: nick 1 and 2
            However, no one has repealed the laws.

            What kind of laws and what are regulatory?
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 31 May 2013 08: 05 New
    +3
    Either shale gas, or the omnipotent Qatar with its reserves and pipe to Europe. Of course, there are threats to one degree or another, but IMHO is greatly exaggerated. If Qatar was just to stretch a thread to Europe, then he would have done it a long time ago, but now in the light of Middle Eastern events and the instability of the region, this is generally a very distant prospect. Well, nothing can be predicted about shale gas.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 31 May 2013 08: 14 New
      +2
      We can add that it is still easier for them to find a common language with us than with the Arabs, and it’s safer to have a pipe in the north, here our people are much more adequate!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 31 May 2013 08: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        and it’s safer to have a pipe in the north, here the people here are much more adequate!

        The problem is that the West itself has lost its adequacy in communicating with us.
    2. fartfraer
      fartfraer 31 May 2013 08: 16 New
      +1
      shale gas in this case has nothing to do with it. the catar is already unfolding in Europe, the threat is not just real, it is almost an open "gas war."
      “but now, in the light of Middle East events and the instability of the region, this is generally a very distant prospect.” - just this shows that Russia has very little time left.
  5. fartfraer
    fartfraer 31 May 2013 08: 11 New
    0
    It’s easier to put a raw materials appendage in place, so it’s time for a long time to move away from raw materials dependence.
    Well, in the text, Qatar is certainly rich, but will it withstand massive rocket attacks on its territory? I mean that in a pinch, it would be possible to announce that there was a need to strike at the militant camps in Qatar. And there + \ - miss knock on the fields. well, somehow the Russian Federation could react.
    I’ll clarify right away that this is not hatred, just my opinion is, because. I think that the war has been going on for a long time (not only against the Russian Federation, against China, for example, too), and it’s time to use the OVs things in politics (no-fly zones, the struggle for democracy) against themselves, otherwise state agents (Qatar, UAE) will simply be destroyed our economy by order of the Washington Regional Committee at any time
  6. fenix57
    fenix57 31 May 2013 08: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: vladsolo56
    There is only one conclusion: Qatar as a state should cease to exist, arrange a small such Libya there. Not all Americans have fun.

    I support! From the territory of Iran you can get ...
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 31 May 2013 08: 38 New
      +3
      it’s better to tell the sea pirates about tankers :)
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 31 May 2013 10: 30 New
      +4
      Guys like all the adults here, let's keep normal and not garbage. Where Russia will strike at Qatar and who will let them do it, all these presidian monarchies under the protectorate of the USA and the West, and with it in real, and not as in the case with Georgia, there are huge oil and gas reserves, these countries are leaders in deliveries to Asia. Of course, this blow can bring down the global economy, because a half of the world's supplies will be destroyed, but it’s utopia.
      Enough to engage in childishness, but really need to look at things.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 31 May 2013 11: 33 New
        -1
        "...From where Russia will strike at Qatar and who will let them do it, all these presidian monarchies under the protectorate of the USA and the West, and with it in real, and not as in the case with Georgia... "
        Qatar finances squads of thugs to overthrow the legitimate government of the country in whose territory the base of the Russian Navy is located. - This is a short-sighted step, I would say, Lochovsky, because allows us to openly strike back on the territory of Qatar, despite the fact that there are state bases, with all due respect to them tongue A strike can be struck in three ways: a nuclear mine of 5–50 megatons, previously laid on some vessel passing near Doha, from a submarine, for example, Granite, without entering the bay, from Syria, using a long-range missile, for example, x-32 with Mig 25/31.
        1. Sirius-2
          Sirius-2 31 May 2013 11: 45 New
          +3
          This is so straightforward you can’t do. First: Qatar has a military alliance with Saudi Arabia. A missile attack on Qatar automatically means a war with the Saudis and other abominations, such as the United States. Secondly: the top of Qatar are Sunnis, and 90% of the population of Qatar are Shiites. That is what they need to be raised to fight against usurpers. That is, to do it completely since they are arming the Wahhabis in Syria.
          1. Tektor
            Tektor 31 May 2013 11: 53 New
            -2
            The Saudi monarch is in the stage of clinical death - there is now their trouble - no-in-turn. The war with usurpers by financing terrorist fighters is a consequence of the absence of other possibilities, i.e. sign of weakness. In addition, the decisiveness of the use of force can cool hotheads, such as McCain’s.
        2. fartfraer
          fartfraer 31 May 2013 11: 50 New
          0
          dear, the use of nuclear weapons is considered lightly by you, I think. didn’t you think about the response of the “Qatar allies”? It might not even be a nuclear strike — they just give out “dirty” bombs to the freak-terrorists and poison the water in the water supply system (say in Moscow or St. Petersburg) and yet. let's try to think more pragmatically — a strike may be without the use of nuclear weapons, but first we need to carry out powerful ideological training both in the Russian Federation and in other countries, otherwise we will look like aggressors. If you notice, then even the states always conduct such preparations before striking.
          the most optimal would be the use of the Libyan-Syrian variant in Qatar: the "opposition" armed with Iran (for example) is organizing terrorist acts and "popular unrest" there, sabotage in the fields, etc.
          now we have to look at things “wider”, the ethical side of the issue is another matter ..
          1. Tektor
            Tektor 31 May 2013 11: 58 New
            -2
            All that you have listed is from weakness. Why should we engage in masochism, if everything is clear to everyone in the world? - idiocy. Well, without the use of nuclear weapons - the states will just think that we will not be able to give them an adequate answer in the case of "faq". In fact, I would simultaneously send similar hotels to Tel Aviv, Ankara and London ... But what, in fact, to wait for? Incidentally, in Judea they already realized that they were not at war with Assad, but with Russia. So let's not "disappoint" them ...
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 31 May 2013 13: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: Tektor
          A strike can be struck in three ways: a nuclear mine of 5–50 megatons, previously laid on some vessel passing near Doha, from a submarine, for example, Granite, without entering the bay, from Syria, using a long-range missile, for example, x-32 with Mig 25/31.

          all the same childishness. Well, go ahead and sincerely believe in the nonsense you wrote. repeat
          1. Tektor
            Tektor 31 May 2013 14: 05 New
            0
            Justify ...
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 31 May 2013 15: 18 New
        -2
        Quote: Yeraz
        Guys like all the adults here, let's keep normal, and not toil garbage.

        For the sake of money, Qatar will be rolled away, and Saudi Arabia. Do we have submarines with cruise missiles?
        1. Tektor
          Tektor 31 May 2013 16: 11 New
          0
          An official from the Russian Embassy in the UK warned at a conference that there was no limit to Syria’s defense. They were familiarized with the position of the Russian Federation in advance, and all the same, they went to Syria ... This time ... At a meeting of the UN Security Council, Churkin unequivocally declared that Qatar would be destroyed if Syria fell. These are two ... What other warnings are needed?
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 31 May 2013 16: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          Quote: Yeraz
          Guys like all the adults here, let's keep normal, and not toil garbage.

          For the sake of money, Qatar will be rolled away, and Saudi Arabia. Do we have submarines with cruise missiles?

          Are you all living on the moon? Look here, seriously discussing that, because of gas prices, Russia will drop a nuclear bomb on Qatar, and everything will be reaped at the UN, and all ???? Have you heard about the Persian Gulf strategic alliance with the United States? ?? Okay, this alliance to the side, okay to the side, the fact that nuclear weapons were dropped only 1 time and then during the World War. BUT BLIN IS THE PERSIAN GULF EVERYTHING IS ALL !! There are half the oil transportation, this gulf feeds gas and non-oil not only Europe well a substantial part of Asia. And the whole world will watch Russia stupidly destroying these reserves undermine the entire world economy and become a monopolist in this area ???
          Be an adult and don’t bear any babble. America didn’t drop the core but Iraq and Afghanistan, and here Russia will take and drop so easily because of gas prices. Urapatriotism at the level of insanity
          1. Tektor
            Tektor 31 May 2013 17: 30 New
            -1
            That's the calculation: they drift ... If we really use WMD. And only in this case: glaze at least one Doha.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 31 May 2013 21: 22 New
              +1
              "Churkin unequivocally stated that in the event of the fall of Syria, Qatar will be destroyed," you can link. I just want to read.
              1. Tektor
                Tektor 31 May 2013 21: 59 New
                -1
                Please:
                http://topwar.ru/11463-podrobnosti-razgovora-churkina-s-poslom-katara.html
                or
                http://top.rbc.ru/politics/08/02/2012/636754.shtml
                I could not find the phrase right here and now, but I remember its discussion, the meaning or summary of which I set out above. Subsequently, Churkin stated that he was misunderstood ... Diplomat. But the meaning is exactly that.
                And I would like to add that glazing Doha and destroying Qatar are two big differences. In one case, something like Hiroshima, and in the other, a coordinated detonation of 3 to 10 charges is required, and so that a nuclear storm, such as a sandstorm, is formed only from a million-degree plasma, which should converge in a place with maximum desired destruction. And for the complete destruction of Turkey it is necessary from 50 such charges, approximately along the perimeter, but at a certain distance inland.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 31 May 2013 22: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            Are you all living on the moon? Look here, in all seriousness, discussing that because of gas prices Russia will drop a nuclear bomb

            Why immediately a nuclear bomb? I did not write about nuclear weapons. Enough cruise missiles. If Russia attacks any non-TOP country, then the whole world will be erased, nothing will be done. No one will fight with Russia for the sake of Qatar.
            1. Genady1976
              Genady1976 31 May 2013 22: 36 New
              -2
              Only Pu will not do this, but in vain
  7. rugor
    rugor 31 May 2013 08: 24 New
    12
    Let them pull to Europe what they want! It’s time for Gazprom to curtail its grandiose plans to squander Russian gas around the world. We have one third of the country’s gas supply, and we are worried about Europe. It is necessary to develop the real sector of the economy and begin full-scale replacement of the share of oil and gas in the export structure with high-tech products, even weapons. And why not, if it really competes in the global market?
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 31 May 2013 10: 57 New
      +6
      I fully support! In our village in Siberia, villages are still heated with firewood! The administration of the NSO still has a plan for harvesting firewood for the region for the winter! And the price of connecting gas is generally ..... c! For ten meters of pipe to a private house, 80 thousand rubles, and this is at reduced prices for pensioners!
      And there are cities that are heated only by coal, where in winter it is simply impossible to breathe! Abakan and Minusinsk for example, this is damn Siberia too ...
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 31 May 2013 12: 04 New
        +3
        What are you talking about, my dear, if even in the Moscow region there is not gas in all the villages and it’s worth letting your mother stand, do not worry (we will remember the USSR for a long time).
        1. RoadRunner
          RoadRunner 2 June 2013 09: 07 New
          0
          We have a house in the city of Gagarin (formerly Gzhatsk) - the old part to this day is heated by firewood. Where is the gas?
      2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 May 2013 23: 51 New
        +1
        What the fuck is Siberia? We have 150 km from Moscow in many villages and even towns there is no gas, the boiler room is heated with coal, I am generally silent about the private sector .... And you are Siberia ....
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 1 June 2013 04: 44 New
          0
          Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
          What the fuck is Siberia? We have 150 km from Moscow in many villages and even towns there is no gas, the boiler room is heated with coal, I am generally silent about the private sector .... And you are Siberia ....

          And who should hold the gas for you? Read your own NICK.
    2. True
      True 31 May 2013 11: 57 New
      +1
      And how much money did Russia bring in the sale of weapons, for example, last year? And the sale of hydrocarbons? We only then write off debts for weapons.
    3. paunch
      paunch 31 May 2013 17: 36 New
      +1
      good words. as well as oil and economical economy :)
  8. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 31 May 2013 08: 27 New
    +2
    Yeah, yeah. Gazprom is in a stupor, Miller is drinking hard.
    It is doubtful that out of nowhere such stocks appeared in a country the size of a sparrow-ass.
    The same fable as huge oil reserves, for 75-100 years of operation, of the Saudi monarchies. Where are the data of independent auditors? The rhetorical question: if it takes place and the hydrocarbon reserves reflected in it turn out to be much lower than declared, the northern fur animal will visit many.
    Dz: it looks like a banal divorce - Gazprom, first of all, in terms of pricing policy.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 31 May 2013 08: 34 New
      -1
      as a connoisseur of resources, do not share what actually stocks are in Qatar and the UAE? By the way, you can still figure out how much cheaper it is to get there than in Siberia and the Arctic
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 31 May 2013 08: 56 New
        +2
        He himself would be curious to know. Yes, this is bad luck, the Saudis do not give exact figures, limiting themselves to assurances that for 75-100 years is enough.
        The question arises: who is enough for Uncle Vasya to refuel a moped in the country? For the Arabians themselves? For the largest consumers?
        All this is muddy ...
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 31 May 2013 09: 49 New
          +1
          I agree, there is a lot of turbidity. However, the reserves of the Russian Federation are no less muddy. They are not in vain climbing into the shelves of the Arctic Ocean, there is not much available oil left for the campaign
          1. Ziksura
            Ziksura 31 May 2013 21: 21 New
            -1
            Quote: fartfraer
            No wonder they climb into the shelves of the Arctic Ocean

            Now, if this phrase was not a statement, but a question, it could be called the first sensible phrase in this entire forum. Reflect: Why is such a fight for the northern shelves suddenly planned? And so on? For example, getting to the resource base of Russia? (The assertion that we sell them for "candy wrappers" is not quite right, the dollar is not disgusting, but it’s still the main means of payment, and we use it, even in the West they recognize that it is effective). If all of these resources, according to the "experts" around the world, is about to be, well, just heaps and everything is so cheap. AND???? The future of mankind is a big fight for resources. And not only hydrocarbons. And not the stories that soon all messed up. But there will be gas wars. There are two defenses: a financial pillow in order to survive the attack, which a priori cannot be too protracted (it was created, and for this reason it is not in vain that the whole white-swamp “opposition” screams and not for nothing: “We must urgently spend it! Life is one! save up! "), get off the oil and gas needle (and this is the strategic, main direction of the economic policy of Russia. Yes, it is not very noticeable yet, but it could only be quickly broken with the Yeltsin-Gaidar zeal). And another important point. About the "experts." I hope no one will argue that if you want to have good knowledge in any field, you need specialized education and many years of experience in the specialty? And where do these specialists work in Russia for the most part? True in Gazprom. Where do we work with specialists who are most knowledgeable about the state of affairs in the gas industry? True in Gazprom. Even curious if there are arguments against. But what is Gazprom doing in this situation? Gazprom is ramping up production capacity (I have something to do with it).
            Somehow hi
  9. Veter
    Veter 31 May 2013 08: 28 New
    0
    The title of the article is Russia's Gas Warning. I did not understand what it is from the text.
  10. Warrawar
    Warrawar 31 May 2013 08: 31 New
    +4
    Qatar is a petty and smelly reptile and is subject to destruction.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 31 May 2013 08: 35 New
      +2
      but before that we need to solve the problem with the owners of this reptile. which, as we see, is not the easiest
  11. fisherman
    fisherman 31 May 2013 08: 35 New
    +2
    if you look at the map, you can see that they can stretch a gas line outside Syria, and directly through Iraq - Turkey (Kurdish areas)
  12. Parabelum
    Parabelum 31 May 2013 08: 49 New
    +5
    Qatar has recently begun to feel like ruler of the world, along with the Saudis. This country has an area equal to one TU160 missile load, imagines itself to be the navel of the world. It's time to pull them already.
    1. knn54
      knn54 31 May 2013 15: 44 New
      +1
      Parabelum: It's time to pull them already.
      Over the past decade, Qatari GDP growth averages 13% annually. Even during the crisis, Qatar's economic growth did not fall below 9%!
      Finding an unoccupied niche in the gas industry - the production of liquefied natural gas (LNG), Qatar confidently and very quickly created an impressive infrastructure for its production, liquefaction, transportation and regasification at points of sale. Under the leadership of Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Attiyah, Qatar made a significant breakthrough, increasing gas sales from 13 million tons in 2003 to 75 million in 2012. But the fee for the rapid breakthrough of the country is high. Qatar's public debt grew at a no less rapid pace - from $ 10 billion in 2000 to 71 billion in 2011. Ambitious plans also require grandiose investments - Qatar is the first in the world in per capita investment. But even they are not enough - and you have to borrow. The rapid growth of the Qatar economy has turned it into an extremely attractive speculative market - the value of shares of Qatari companies in just three years - from 2006 to 2009 grew from 61,5 to 88 billion dollars. And the presence of a very large share of speculative capital creates a danger - a slowdown in growth will cause a landslide of capital flight. (1)
      The economic breakthrough is not supported by adequate military power. The United States is able to protect (and not without problems) the territory of Qatar itself. And there is no one to defend his interests around the world. From a snickering Qatari soldier, that of Mr. ... and a bullet. Special forces are very small in number. Mercenaries from PMCs are able to protect only the most vulnerable spots of a branched transport infrastructure (ports, regasification facilities, tankers, pipelines), which over time becomes more vulnerable to point attacks around the world. (2)
      The disloyalty of a large group of the indigenous population and the presence of a huge army of migrant workers. Immigrants from Iran, which make up almost 15% of the indigenous population, are in a very politically constrained situation. They are forbidden to serve in the army in command positions, political activity, significantly limited economic rights. (3)
      Here are at least 3 points on which you can beat Qatar, weakening its expansion, and in the case of a serious approach to the problem, it is even possible to bring down its economy.
      Under the upcoming agreements with Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, Qatar will create recruiting structures that will select guest workers for work. not only builders and cleaners, and specialists of SPECIAL PROFILES. The latter will undergo “advanced training courses”: including career guidance. These bastards have already shown themselves in the North Caucasus. That is, Qatar destabilizes the situation in the Russian Federation and Russia has a moral right to conduct preparations (SYNCHRONOUS with Iran) for conducting riots in Qatar - we did not start the war. Moreover, the interests of the Russian nomenclature, in which the Qatari sheikhs openly take away a piece of bread, spread with oil and gas, NOW coincide with the state interests of the Russian Federation!
      PS It’s good to negotiate with Pakistan Kazakhstan (where Qatar is also sticking its nose) - the supply of the NATO group in Afghanistan STRONGLY depends on the northern route, which is still controlled by Russia, and the route through Pakistan.
      A joint speech will make the US think about the zealous defense of Qatar ...
  13. JonnyT
    JonnyT 31 May 2013 08: 49 New
    +7
    Qatar will enter the European market sooner or later. It's time to get off the needle !!!

    P.S. I have a question? And what does the common people have from Gazprom’s income ???? The tax we have is 13 percent, the rest are 87 pockets from uncles who transfer them to ovshory and buy property, cars abroad
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 31 May 2013 09: 22 New
      +2
      Not the people, but the state treasury. Right now, not communism, for the people, but capitalism. This money is not yours. The lip was rolled out.
    2. fisherman
      fisherman 31 May 2013 09: 47 New
      +3
      and comrade Gazprom, is it a private person with a 13% tax? :)
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 31 May 2013 10: 34 New
        +1
        Gazprom is OJSC

        count:
        Gazprom’s revenue in 2011 amounted to 4,736 trillion rubles. This is the official data, but how much more is in the shade?
        He paid taxes in 2011 year - 967,2 billion rubles
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 31 May 2013 10: 40 New
          +1
          ... and how many more national projects? ..
          1. JonnyT
            JonnyT 31 May 2013 11: 10 New
            +1
            ..... and how much more top managers left)))

            But seriously

            The number of employees 404,4 thousand people
            State controls 50,002% of shares
            Dividends (recommended) for 2011 year 8,97 rub per share
            Plus Gazprom employs a bunch of related companies, for example, construction.
            And the contractors and him do nothing a dime a dozen!
            All this money is in the economy of the Russian Federation and naturally, a fall in Gazprom’s income will result in a drop in the economy sector occupied by it!
            As for me, it’s neither warm nor hot for me from Gazprom, like most of the Russian population
            1. Mhpv
              Mhpv 31 May 2013 12: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: JonnyT
              As for me, it’s neither warm nor hot for me from Gazprom, like most of the Russian population

              We are only hungry (loot goes to a handful of shareholders) and cold (they still cannot gasify the country)
            2. fisherman
              fisherman 31 May 2013 13: 19 New
              +1
              convince people to get off the needle (currency goods) and I'm the first to nominate you for all the Nobel Prizes in the world :))

              that's clearer?:)
              1. JonnyT
                JonnyT 31 May 2013 16: 20 New
                +1
                )))))
                People do not need to convince! He himself will gladly do it. He will build new plants, research institutes, innovation centers. It is only necessary to say, to allocate resources for this and strictly control the execution.
                Only now no one sets goals to get off the needle and no one controls it! They are afraid of losing their influence. All the money allocated for the modernization and creation of new industries are not used by krainge effectively!
                Here is a striking example that I myself have encountered.
                The state allocated to the MICRON factory that Zelenograd money for new equipment. Our office (and not only ours) prepared a proposal for com on favorable terms with service and support. And the MICRON Management bought everything from the contractor who purchased everything from another contractor who purchased 3 of his contractor !!!! As a result, the cost of equipment increased 4 times compared to our offer. Without service and commissioning !! The equipment stands and doesn’t participate in the production process.
                It turned out that the micron’s leadership was clearly told from the ministry to work only according to such a scheme ..... and ..... about surprisingly the owners of the contractor firms were relatives from the ministry !!!
                Ordinary people (the level of the beginning of the department) made every effort to modernize as cheaply and efficiently as possible, but they were not given!
                Here is a modernization)
            3. Ziksura
              Ziksura 31 May 2013 22: 04 New
              -1
              Quote: JonnyT
              But seriously

              The number of employees 404,4 thousand people
              State controls 50,002% of shares
              Dividends (recommended) for 2011 year 8,97 rub per share
              Plus Gazprom employs a bunch of related companies, for example, construction.
              And the contractors and him do nothing a dime a dozen!
              All this money is in the economy of the Russian Federation and naturally, a fall in Gazprom’s income will result in a drop in the economy sector occupied by it!
              As for me, it’s neither warm nor hot for me from Gazprom, like most of the Russian population

              Kindergarten. By God. I don’t even want to comment. Do you want to work in Gazprom? I can arrange. There are vacancies. Only then do not run away from such a "freebie." Although if you really love to work, are patient by nature, then "well." Only at the expense of salaries .... Very disappointed.
              The main profit of the state from Gazprom according to the "Subsoil Law":
              Article 39. Payment system for the use of subsoil
              The use of subsoil is paid, with the exception of cases provided for in Section 40 of this Law.
              When using subsoil, the following types of payments are made:
              fee for participation in the tender (auction) and the issuance of licenses;
              subsoil use payments;
              deductions for the reproduction of the mineral resource base;
              excise taxes.
              In addition, subsoil users pay taxes, fees and make other payments stipulated by law, including payment for land or for the water area and the bottom of the territorial sea, as well as payment for geological information about the subsoil. "
              To be continued.
            4. Ziksura
              Ziksura 31 May 2013 22: 08 New
              -1
              Read more.
              Article 41. Payments for the use of subsoil
              Subsoil users are charged for searches, exploration of mineral deposits, their extraction and use of the subsoil for other purposes. "
              “These payments are charged in the form of one-time and (or) regular contributions per unit of the used subsoil plot or area. The size of regular contributions, as a rule, increases depending on the duration of the work.”
              The size of payments for mining is determined taking into account the type of mineral, the quantity and quality of its reserves, natural - geographical, mining - technical and economic conditions for the development and development of the deposit, the degree of risk.
              Payments for the extraction of minerals are charged in the forms of one-time, as well as subsequent regular payments after the start of production. Their sizes are included in the cost of mining and are determined as a fraction of the cost of extracted minerals and production losses that exceed the standards established by annual mining plans agreed with the state mining supervision authorities. At the same time, payments for the extraction of minerals from the amount of excess losses are charged in double amount.
              "Payments for mineral exploration within the boundaries of the mining allotment provided to the user of the subsoil for the extraction of this mineral shall not be charged."

              "Article 42. Distribution of payments for the use of subsoil
              Payments for the use of subsoil are received in the federal budget, the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, and the corresponding local budgets.
              Local budgets receive:
              payments for the search and exploration of deposits of all mineral resources and payments for the extraction of common mineral resources in the territories of the respective regions and cities;
              payments for the use of subsoil for purposes not related to mining;
              part of the amount of payments for mining, except for common.
              The budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and the federal budget receive a portion of the amount of payments for mining operations, with the exception of those for which payment is received only to local budgets.
              Payments for hydrocarbon production are distributed in the following order:
              local budget - 30%;
              the budget of the subject of the Russian Federation - 30%;
              federal budget - 40%.
              Payments for the extraction of other minerals are distributed in the following order:
              local budget - 50%;
              the budget of the subject of the Russian Federation - 25%;
              federal budget - 25%.
              The distribution of payments for the extraction of minerals from unique deposits and groups of deposits of federal significance between budgets of different levels can be set in different proportions. Proportions are established by agreement of all interested parties. In controversial cases, the decision on this issue is taken by the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation.
              Payments for the use of the subsoil of the territorial sea are distributed in the following order:
              the budget of the subject of the Russian Federation - 60%;
              federal budget - 40%.
              Payments for the use of the bowels of the continental shelf of the Russian Federation go to the federal budget. "

              "When using subsoil in the areas where small peoples and ethnic groups live, part of the payments received in the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation is used for the socio-economic development of these peoples and groups."
              Etc...

              If you are a citizen of Russia, then this makes you warm and hot ....
              Maybe I am abrupt, but TIRED BY THIS DEMAGOGICAL WHEEL. Well worse than a bitter radish. The bulk of 404,4 thousand people work. And notice for a modest salary. hi
              1. Genady1976
                Genady1976 31 May 2013 22: 27 New
                +1
                You don’t have to work in Gazprom, but to be a shareholder. Well, at least have% 30 winked
              2. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ 1 June 2013 00: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Ziksura
                If you are a citizen of Russia, then this makes you warm and hot .... Maybe I’m harsh, but TIRED BY THIS DEMAGOGICAL WHEEL. Well worse than a bitter radish. The bulk of 404,4 thousand people work. And notice for a modest salary.

                Well, not quite modest, but in general you are right. Few people really know how the market works and what payments are made. Nobody skates like cheese in butter. Salary of a drilling foreman 120t.r, shift method 1-1, 2-2. Since 2010, there has been a reduction and recruitment of new employees, already "at a loss" and the social network has been cut back. Who managed to get a pension now gets a separate Gazprom one up to 60000 rubles, plus the usual one. Now, too, you can earn .but not as much as a couple of years ago. And of course you need to work hard in the cold and wintering.
  14. pensioner
    pensioner 31 May 2013 08: 54 New
    +6
    Quote: rugor
    Let them pull to Europe what they want! It’s time for Gazprom to curtail its grandiose plans to squander Russian gas around the world. We have one third of the country’s gas supply, and we are worried about Europe.


    Gold words! And add gas engine fuel. And China is not covered. And also in Asia there are plenty of people who need Russian gas. Well, someone will, and Gazprom will be fine. Maybe not great, but good - for sure. There are far-oooh not fools sitting. But Europe will not jump off one thing from Gazprom gas. There are no fools there either.
    1. OLDTODD
      OLDTODD 31 May 2013 10: 45 New
      +1
      I completely disagree with you. Gzprom has long had time to think deeper about what is happening. Europe may not get off Gazprom’s gas, but at the price it will blow. This is what the Chinese are doing now and I think they will succeed. They will bring down prices - the feeder will become poor, and who will replenish? Look at the latest attempts by the government to transfer vehicles to gas, and for the population, the price of gas and the connection to it? You can recall the patterns of equal profitability between exports and domestic consumption. I get the impression that this office is not all happy. But more worried about the supply of gas within the country, geopolitical calculations are certainly good, but we live in Russia!
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 31 May 2013 11: 23 New
        +1
        Well, attempts with gas engine fuel have just begun. Even if they lead to at least 10% transfer of a / t to gas, Gazprom will need to more carefully consider the gas balance in order to satisfy all demands ...
  15. pinecone
    pinecone 31 May 2013 08: 58 New
    +3
    In order to pull the gas pipe from Qatar to Europe, it is not necessary to bring Assad down, it would be possible to agree with him. This is a question of ideology. For Wahhabis and the entire world pedagogical community as a whole, the very name of the ruling party in Syria is a sharp knife. The Arab Socialist Renaissance Party, no more, no less.
    A similar party was in power in Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
  16. nemec55
    nemec55 31 May 2013 09: 25 New
    11
    NDAE TO ME THE FARMER THE COAL OF THE WALKING DOG DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE FINALLY HIGH IDENTIFICATIONS OF THEM. We will soon switch to dung, we can’t afford coal anymore ... But we don’t dream about gas
  17. Micex
    Micex 31 May 2013 09: 27 New
    +3
    In fact, if !!! and there are plans to build a gas pipeline from CA and Qatar through Turkey to Europe, then Syria is stopping them, just look at the map.
    But something else made fun - LNG supplies to Japan and Korea. Again, we look at the map and go nuts from the distance - Persian Gulf - Japan vs. Japan - Sakhalin (where, incidentally, there is a liquefaction plant, recently bought by Gazprom from Western partners) The Sakhalin - 2 project was presented to foreigners by our beloved first president. The question arises about the feasibility of buying gas from wild e..ey, when Sakhalin and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk are nearby. The imposed contracts are evident in the US allies - the Yap and Koreans. Yapy, by the way, are interested in Russian hydrocarbons, they have repeatedly stated this.
    Therefore, the conflict in Syria, if Assad wins, could result in a nice bonus for Gazprom and Rosneft in the form of new contracts for Asians.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 31 May 2013 10: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Micex
      In fact, if !!! and there are plans to build a gas pipeline from CA and Qatar through Turkey to Europe, then Syria is stopping them, just look at the map.
      But something else made fun - LNG supplies to Japan and Korea. Again, we look at the map and go nuts from the distance - Persian Gulf - Japan vs. Japan - Sakhalin (where, incidentally, there is a liquefaction plant, recently bought by Gazprom from Western partners) The Sakhalin - 2 project was presented to foreigners by our beloved first president. The question arises about the feasibility of buying gas from wild e..ey, when Sakhalin and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk are nearby. The imposed contracts are evident in the US allies - the Yap and Koreans. Yapy, by the way, are interested in Russian hydrocarbons, they have repeatedly stated this.
      Therefore, the conflict in Syria, if Assad wins, could result in a nice bonus for Gazprom and Rosneft in the form of new contracts for Asians.

      Yes, they are not imposed. Firstly, the distance is greater, but the cost of producing Qatari gas is lower. Secondly, it’s stupid to depend on one supplier, the Japs and Koreans are not fools to buy gas only from the Russian Federation, therefore they buy from several, it’s advisable in state security.
      1. Micex
        Micex 31 May 2013 13: 09 New
        0
        This is what the Chinese do - they try to take 10-20% of the required volume from different suppliers. at the same time, China is independent and has its own fields (we are talking not only about hydrocarbons, but in general) to take gas from the Persian Gulf taking into account the geopolitical and geographical characteristics (Iran and the Strait of Hormuz) with a large volume - a minimum is not thought out, and the decision is imposed under pressure.
        As for the cost, I agree, but, nevertheless, the initial presence of foreigners in Sakhalin projects suggests that gas and oil are also cheap there, otherwise they would not have insisted on signing predatory agreements in the 90s
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 31 May 2013 13: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Micex
          This is what the Chinese do - they try to take 10-20% of the required volume from different suppliers

          And the rest don't do it, huh?
          Quote: Micex
          taking gas from the Persian Gulf taking into account geopolitical and geographical characteristics (Iran and the Strait of Hormuz) with a large volume is at least ill-conceived, and the decision is imposed under pressure.

          You know there are such things called forced ??? It is clear that if there were closer deposits they would take from there, but the trick is that a lot of the world's reserves are located in the Persian Gulf and it’s clear that many take from there, especially in the case of Korea and Japan these are their allies strategic ally and take from there it
          a.
          b.this is diversification of supplies.
          That is, if I weren’t it right for American influence, the Japanese and Koreans would buy Russian gas one hundred percent ?? Is it stupid and anyone can understand that dependence on one supplier can only be in the case of fraternal relations and it is unlikely that diversification of supplies is reasonable and a pragmatic move. And to say that they say it because of amers is at least naive and stupid.
          1. Micex
            Micex 31 May 2013 14: 27 New
            0
            As for the Russian Federation - well, damn it, if there is a huge reservoir of gas at hand - does it make sense to pour it for thousands of kilometers voluntarily, just for the sake of "diversification". There are Vietnam, Australia, Indonesia and a bunch of other countries that can provide resources and make it possible not to depend on a single supplier. But about the ally of their strategic ally - that’s the answer.
            I originally led the speech that if the West and their friends settle in Syria, the Far Eastern region of the Russian Federation will benefit from this.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 31 May 2013 16: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Micex
              As for the Russian Federation - well, damn it, if there is a huge reservoir of gas at hand - does it make sense to pour it for thousands of kilometers voluntarily, just for the sake of "diversification". There are Vietnam, Australia, Indonesia and a bunch of other countries that can provide resources and make it possible not to depend on a single supplier. But about the ally of their strategic ally - that’s the answer.
              I originally led the speech that if the West and their friends settle in Syria, the Far Eastern region of the Russian Federation will benefit from this.

              In the interests of the state, they’ll trample even from the moon. Japan is in the top 5 major economies of the world and its consumption is huge. The closest neighbors are not able to provide, especially in Qatar, the largest gas fleet in the world. That is, the thousands of kilometers of piercing are reduced due to low cost.
              In short, I propose that the discussion is a cool thing, especially a healthy one, tomorrow I’ll try to find the prices for Qatari and Russian gas for Japan and the volumes of extraction from my neighbors. Then we put a bullet drinks
  18. AK-47
    AK-47 31 May 2013 09: 37 New
    +3
    Qatar turned out to be both an economic and a geopolitical rival to Russia. On the gas issue, he ambitiously aimed at ousting Gazprom from Europe, and on the political one, on ...

    It’s okay, the loss of the oil and gas market in Europe will not lead to disaster, on the contrary, it will force the state to focus on science and industry and receive stable profits from them.
    It would be logical in general, caring for future generations, to legally ban the sale of natural resources.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 31 May 2013 09: 53 New
      +2
      AK, in principle, I agree, but there is one “but”) - science and industry must be developed already “yesterday”, there is not enough time. And we have a lot of losses from the “nanotechnological” Chubais so far the biggest achievement.
    2. fisherman
      fisherman 31 May 2013 09: 54 New
      +2
      it would be good...

      but for now, even give insulin to us abroad, not to mention products, computers, cars, and so on ...
  19. Averias
    Averias 31 May 2013 09: 58 New
    +5
    And why, gentlemen, Western experts, you have forgotten what is happening in B. Vostok. The "fire" that burns there, not without the participation of the West, cannot be put out just like that. What did all these Saudi Arivias, Cathars and others think and think, who were beautifully “blown” into their ears by the idea of ​​the “Great Caliphate”, by Western strategists. The same Qatar (let's imagine a little) crushing Syria, and indeed B. Vostok, what will it do with crowds of scumbags armed to the teeth? They will not be able to control them, and in fact they control these scumbags, people are by no means stupid. And do they really pass by such a tidbit as hydrocarbon reserves? If the sheikhs believe that they control them, because they give money, this is ridiculous. Examples of the mass when the barrels turned against the customer. And the war will begin in a new, only among themselves, war for the pipe, for the bowels. The gangs will try to control every centimeter of the pipeline, every barrel produced. They are not to miss such a profit. The weapons that they have are more than enough to arrange a bloodbath. And the very idea of ​​the "Great Caliphate" is initially utopian. Well, sheikhs will not go under the same padishah, emir, sultan, or whatever. Ambition will not allow. And the West will rub its hands, sell weapons, and gradually take B. Vostok to its hands. The agreement that now exists between the sheikhs and the West is just a temporary phenomenon. The West will never accept them on equal terms, never (the same ambitions). The flood of Europe by migrants, the incitement of national divisions and so on, all this in order to:
    1. Replace US (white) - IMI (cheap slave power, can be manipulated through religion, the ability to survive and be content with little, fanaticism, they are used to living under the master, not literacy).
    2. If paragraph 1 fails, then nothing will prevent B. Vostok from becoming a threat to the civilized world (hence the proliferated sects, religious movements, teachings, etc.), the atrocities of migrants in Europe (England, for example, although I doubt it, there is clearly not without special services). We form an opinion - that they are all enemies and animals. That would then calmly start a full-scale war in B. Vostok, and this will not cause condemnation. And then the reservation, B. Vostok will become one colony of the European world.
    But this scenario doesn’t want to work - neither in the 1st, nor in the 2nd case. Too many uncontrollable factors. Only one thing is clear - It will all end badly.
  20. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 31 May 2013 10: 00 New
    +1
    I’ll say a hackneyed phrase for a long time that Russia needs to get off the gas and oil needles this time, and secondly, do you seriously think that a cowardly geyropa will reorient from Russia to some Qatar? Qatar is in a too dangerous and unstable region, but it’s not represents no military or political force, and no one can be sure for its future, and the geyropeytsy are afraid to suddenly be without gas in the winter due to a coup or someone invaded its territory. as an additional source, it’s suitable, but it’ll never replace.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 31 May 2013 10: 10 New
      +2
      I think the question is somewhat different — with the help of Qatar, to bring down the price, and oil production in the same Libya does not stop, although there is a crisis and war. It’s just that this oil does not belong to Libyans. What prevents it from following the same pattern in case of a collapse? nothing
  21. My address
    My address 31 May 2013 10: 15 New
    0
    It means to supply Syria with another Troika battalion of divisions and coastal defense forces with volunteer advisers and the provision of necessary security. Close to Syria to keep a group of ships. It’s nice to mark a couple of generals who distinguished themselves in the war with Georgia. You still have to show your teeth, regardless of the tricks of Qatar, so it is better to do this not clamped in the corner.
    1. Micex
      Micex 31 May 2013 10: 40 New
      +1
      In politics, as in chess, any action causes a retaliatory move, in other words, an action - a reaction, until the participant surrenders and does not respond to the opponent’s action. What only the forum participants do not want to send to Syria - right up to special forces, nuclear submarines and nuclear weapons, but not a word about the response ...
  22. Mr.M
    Mr.M 31 May 2013 10: 38 New
    +1
    Um ..
    Are my thoughts correct that the full route of the Qatari gas pipeline will look something like this?
    Qatar - Saudi Arabia - section of the Red Sea - Israel - Syria - Turkey - EU
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 31 May 2013 10: 45 New
      +1
      why not directly through Iraq and Turkey (Kurdish areas)?
      1. Mr.M
        Mr.M 31 May 2013 10: 57 New
        0
        It is also an option. But then what is the need for Syria? The gas pipeline will turn out and bypass it.

        Maybe Qatar is interested in the security of the gas pipeline, and therefore confuses the political instability of Iraq? But, again, on the other hand, if (God forbid) Syria falls into the hands of the West, there is no need to talk about stability on its territory either.

        Yeah, some thoughts out loud, more questions than answers :)
      2. Micex
        Micex 31 May 2013 13: 11 New
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        next to Iran, there’s no need for long-range missiles in order to break up everything if necessary.
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 31 May 2013 13: 35 New
          +1
          exactly...

          missiles are not even needed, but just Kurds are needed,

          it’s both cheaper and more durable (in the sense that no one is in a hurry to form Kurdistan so far) and the Syrian Kurds, as it turned out, are not at all loyal to the “third force” - that is, they are simply fighting for Assad ...

          so, most likely, this direct option was already on paper, but ......

          when we walked along ravines, the future of the pipeline was covered with copper fog :)

          this is an option if the economic component was in the first place ...

          if the so-called political factor was in control of everyone, then the puppeteers still have to figure out, since the project of transferring pipe gas to European markets seems to have been later added to political hotunks (that is, someone promised Qatar his pipe gas in Europe, with the condition pay "geographic costs"))

          perhaps
  23. Nayhas
    Nayhas 31 May 2013 11: 01 New
    +2
    Qatar wants to overthrow Assad to pull a pipeline to Europe? What kind of nonsense? It is one thing to agree with a secular regime, albeit another thing, trying to negotiate with it is not clear with whom in a country torn by civil war? And the pipeline through Iraq is easier to pull to Turkey, it turns out closer. Assad’s theme was clearly pulled to the ears by the gas ...
  24. Mhpv
    Mhpv 31 May 2013 11: 09 New
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    How Qatar arose, it will also disappear. It was created to once again bring down the Russian economy, as the USSR economy once collapsed with oil. Now many of those countries themselves are blazing on fire, and Qatar, as soon as it fulfills its mission, one small revolution and all the joy of life will be in the hands of the Anglo-Americans. If Syria falls, Qatar is unlikely to be able to lay the pipeline so easily, because there will begin a struggle of tribes and everyone will tear the other for a piece of cake, you will ensure terror on the pipeline. Yes, Alexander Roman correctly noted. in-all flows, everything changes, and the cubs grow up, too, want to become leaders of the pack.
  25. report4
    report4 31 May 2013 11: 10 New
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    Yeah. And then a "shale bulge" appeared. But the article is similar to analytics before the appearance of this nonsense in the text. All this shale excitement can be called one word - "bubble".
  26. Tektor
    Tektor 31 May 2013 11: 14 New
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    "...What is the weakness of the plans of Qatar?"-With what fright did Qatar start" democratization "in Syria, knowing that there is a base of the fleet of the Russian Federation? An obvious inadequate: they can lose everything without gaining anything ...
  27. Scoun
    Scoun 31 May 2013 11: 34 New
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    Journalists sounded the alarm: with Qatar gas competition in Europe, what will happen to Russia?

    They are not asking the right question.
    Journalists sounded the alarm: with Qatar gas competition in Europe, what will happen to Qatar?
    Tear Aki Libya or hail beat their gas centers ...... I do not threaten .. so rumors in the ears.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 31 May 2013 11: 55 New
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      Qatar does not twitch and pursues an “acceptable” policy, so no one will touch it (yet).
  28. pinecone
    pinecone 31 May 2013 12: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Sirius-2
    . Secondly: the top of Qatar are Sunnis, and 90% of the population of Qatar are Shiites. That is what they need to be raised to fight against usurpers. That is, to do it completely since they are arming the Wahhabis in Syria.

    Probably you have in mind Bahrain. In the emirate of Qatar, Shiites are few, 10 percent, mostly Persians.
  29. USNik
    USNik 31 May 2013 12: 57 New
    -1
    If the sheikhs believe that they control them, because they give money, this is ridiculous. Examples of the mass when the barrels turned against the customer. And the war will begin in a new, only among themselves, war for the pipe, for the bowels. The gangs will try to control every centimeter of the pipeline, every barrel produced.
    There will be no gangs. At the command of the White House, the military from the base of El Udeid during the day "democratize" Qatar, and the sheikhs understand this very well, therefore, "sit straight and do not show off."
  30. fenix57
    fenix57 31 May 2013 14: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Yeraz
    Enough to engage in childishness, but really need to look at things.

    Why not dream. From Qatar to Russia, delusional “warnings” are not “childishness,” Israel’s threat to Russian ships is in the order of things, and the desire to “scam” this “flea” on the world map is not serious ... ? Normal desire not diplomats and citizens of Russia- state-state, with which the owners of these Cathars, Israel, etc. are reckoned with in the world.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 31 May 2013 21: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: fenix57
      Why not dream.

      Here people seriously say this)
      Quote: fenix57
      From Qatar to Russia, delusional "warnings" - is it not "childishness",

      Apparently they also have some dreamers.

      Quote: fenix57
      Israeli threat to Russian ships is in the order of things

      There are enough fools everywhere.
      Quote: fenix57
      and the desire to "scam" this "flea" on the world map is not serious ... Why? The normal desire is not for diplomats and citizens of Russia, the state, with which the owners of these Cathars, Israel, etc. are reckoned with in the world.

      this is a military site, not a kid’s one. shuutkanul hah laughed, but when they are seriously discussing the attack on Qatar, where large amer military bases are located, and their fields, which provide fuel for most of the planet Earth, are nonsense.
      It should discuss what steps Gazprom can take, and we’ll fry the garbage with the nuclear, we’re cool.
      disgusting.
  31. ed65b
    ed65b 31 May 2013 15: 32 New
    +1
    Declare Qatar as a sponsor of terrorism and tackle its economy.
  32. Umnichka
    Umnichka 31 May 2013 16: 10 New
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    The strongest survives. If we let the snot out, like the Liberals, it’s as if Qatar will squeeze us out of the way ...
  33. uzer 13
    uzer 13 31 May 2013 16: 42 New
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    Some run-down Qatar has both modern production facilities and modern tankers, while Gazprom, the world leader in gas sales, has only shovels and sledgehammers, which means that all the company's profits are entirely exported from the state and placed in offshore banks, even for the development of production and there is nothing to do with modernization. But there are a lot of millionaires in Russia, and they all operate exactly the same way.
  34. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 31 May 2013 19: 17 New
    +1
    30 May. Ashgabat concluded a framework agreement on cooperation in the supply of natural gas from Turkmenistan to Turkey. The document was signed following talks between the presidents of Turkmenistan and Turkey, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov and Abdullah Gul, who is in Ashgabat on a state visit.

    To supply Turkmen resources in the European direction, it is planned to lay a pipeline along the bottom of the Caspian Sea to the Azerbaijani shore about 300 km long, from where fuel can reach Turkey, which borders on European countries. The Trans-Caspian project could become part of several large-scale projects, such as Nabucco, AGRI, Tanap, of which Ankara is an active participant, Trend reports.
    Official Ashgabat believes that for laying a pipe along the bottom of the Caspian Sea, whose legal status has not yet been determined, the consent of those parties (Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan) whose territory the project covers is sufficient.
    Meanwhile, Russia and Iran believe that the issues of laying pipelines along the bottom of the Caspian Sea should be resolved with the consent of all the littoral countries.

    As stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the RF-EU summit in early June 2012, Moscow will not consider legitimate decisions on the Caspian taken without consensus.
    More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/05/30/1135342.html
    1. matross
      matross 31 May 2013 19: 37 New
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      Quote: ayyildiz
      Russia and Iran consider

      And they reasonably believe! For this, the Caspian flotilla is constantly being strengthened. Azerbaijanis and Turkmens do not shine laying pipelines there. By any means, Russia will impede the descent of Europe from the Russian gas needle. Until the use of force. For this and in Syria butting. Otherwise.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 31 May 2013 20: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: matRoss
        For this, the Caspian flotilla is constantly being strengthened. Azerbaijanis and Turkmens do not shine laying pipelines there.

        Pipes will be laid not by Azerbaijanis and Turkmens, but by Western companies that will invest these pipes, Azerbaijan will invest at its own expense a Trans-Anatolian pipeline, but there will be no Caspian pipeline. There will already be a battle between the USA, the West and Russia, who will be stronger. And such things will not be by force It is decided that Russia will not attack sovereign states due to a pipe.
  35. Do not care
    Do not care 31 May 2013 19: 34 New
    +1
    The pipe from Qatar to Europe is the main reason for the Syrian meat grinder.
  36. Navy7981
    Navy7981 31 May 2013 19: 45 New
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    Gas carriers drown wink ! Qatar bomb wink ! And finally, to do the economics ourselves, so that the invention or discovery of new energy carriers does not lead to problems with the country's income! request
  37. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 31 May 2013 20: 07 New
    -1
    And all this vileness against Russia is being made dictated by the USA
  38. 1goose3
    1goose3 31 May 2013 21: 07 New
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    Quote: Joker
    Conclusion one, Qatar as a state should cease to exist

    This is not our method, forgive me, but I don’t want to go all shit, if Americans like it, it’s their problem, I don’t want to be the same animal. It's one thing to give cuffs to neighbors so that they work and do not relax, and another to kill children, because you propose to do this. We are Russian and we do not fight with children.


    The Joker has an aggravation today. He is ready to destroy Gazprom, so that our children would be "good", but the Qatari children feel sorry for him. Whatever the kids suffer, I propose to do everything in a night or a day, in a pinch. The world community will understand us when they are presented with a found warehouse of chemical weapons ready to be used against their own people, and if we find eleven nanosarin kilograms in the pocket of a dumbed emir ... wassat
  39. VictoRO
    VictoRO 31 May 2013 22: 20 New
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    One of Gazprom’s problems is that it allowed itself to be drawn into the role of a political club with respect to the attitude of the former Soviet republics. This fact forced the West to look for alternative sources, because they also understand that if relations with Russia deteriorate, they too might find themselves in the situation of Moldova and Ukraine. I read the other day that Ukraine pokvpat Russian gas from Germany to 38 dollars. cheaper than getting from Russia. That is - it is clear that the price of gas for Ukraine is a method of punishment. Such use of the business has led to the loss of Gazprom’s face and the same West will tolerate this until the alternative appears. Remember, not so many litters ago, the United States imported gas - and how it began to produce shale gas - it stopped importing, even if the cost of its gas is more expensive. Gazprom urgently needs to change its policy to business, and then it will be hello, even if worthy competitors appear in a few years
  40. APASUS
    APASUS 31 May 2013 23: 49 New
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    It doesn’t sound sad, but the war in this region is beneficial for Russia. It would be better to learn how to “express concern for the fate of the oppressed people of Kater”, to help the opposition, as it were, the Americans!
  41. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 00: 55 New
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    In any case, Qatar will become a bargaining chip. Life is not constant, everything goes, everything changes. As soon as the warrior leaves the borders of Syria, all Qatar's ambitions will be covered with a copper basin, together with Qatar itself.

    It is necessary to soak Qatar. We hope I haven’t forgiven the insult to our ambassador? ...
  42. GEO
    GEO 1 June 2013 01: 00 New
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    Quote: VictoRO
    One of Gazprom’s problems is that it allowed itself to be drawn into the role of a political club with respect to the attitude of the former Soviet republics. This fact forced the West to look for alternative sources, because they also understand that if relations with Russia deteriorate, they too might find themselves in the situation of Moldova and Ukraine. I read the other day that Ukraine pokvpat Russian gas from Germany to 38 dollars. cheaper than getting from Russia. That is - it is clear that the price of gas for Ukraine is a method of punishment. Such use of the business has led to the loss of Gazprom’s face and the same West will tolerate this until the alternative appears. Remember, not so many litters ago, the United States imported gas - and how it began to produce shale gas - it stopped importing, even if the cost of its gas is more expensive. Gazprom urgently needs to change politics to business and then hello, even if worthy competitors appear in a few years

    Gazprom has long changed its policy to business, and is selling gas to market-makers to all kinds of limiters. Enough to feed all sorts of "little brothers" who then shit on the head and shoot in the back. What is Ukraine buying from Germany ??? These are all “mrias” (dreams) of Ukraine. There are no miracles in economics, only arithmetic ...
  43. Megatron
    Megatron 1 June 2013 18: 49 New
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    The problem is the misuse of raw material income.
    Where are they now investing? In debt obligations of the USA, WB and others with them, this is nonsense, just betrayal.
    We need to spend them on the needs of our country: the development of infrastructure, industry, the same high-quality oil refining.
  44. Ddhal
    Ddhal 1 June 2013 22: 53 New
    -1
    God is favorable to those who want his great-grandchildren to be happy here, to those who do not consider their homeland as a doomed donor ......
  45. Darkheir
    Darkheir 5 June 2013 17: 10 New
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    Russia is very dependent on oil and gas exports. What if the war begins with the west. Our entire rearmament program relies on "gas and oil." It is necessary to use this money primarily for the development of the economy, as was done in the USSR by selling grain and building factories with this money.