A Few Aircraft for the Whole Sky: Why Russia Understands the AWACS Mission but Doesn't Have the Fleet for It

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A Few Aircraft for the Whole Sky: Why Russia Understands the AWACS Mission but Doesn't Have the Fleet for It


An airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft combines a flying radar and an airborne command post in a single airframe: it can see the air situation hundreds of kilometers away and guide fighters and anti-aircraft systems to their targets. Experience in recent years has shown a simple thing: without such an aircraft, no fighter aircraft can survive. aviation, not echeloned Defense They're not operating at full capacity. And Russia only has a handful of heavy AWACS systems left in service. The promising A-100 "Premier" is delayed, and one of the aircraft was lost over the Sea of ​​Azov. The need was recognized long ago, but the fleet for it still isn't there.



Why is radar being raised into the sky?


Winged Rocket It flies at extremely low altitude, following the contours of the terrain, and a ground-based radar station detects it too late, due to the curvature of the Earth and the terrain itself. Moving the radar into the air solves this problem. The higher the AWACS raises its antenna, the further it "sees" over the horizon: a high-altitude platform sees a low-flying target earlier than an aircraft at a normal flight level, which in turn sees it earlier than a ground station.

The AWACS's operation consists of three functions. The first is surveillance beyond the radio horizon, beyond the natural visibility limit of ground assets. The second is data fusion: the aircraft assembles data from its own radar, ground stations, ships, and aircraft, and provides a unified situational awareness. The third is control: it guides fighters, distributes targets among anti-aircraft systems, and provides target designation at extreme ranges. For a country with its extensive borders, each of these three functions is important, and together they form the basis of air warfare control.

A special military operation became a test of this entire design. Small-sized drones Cruise missiles also have a small radar cross-section—a parameter that determines how well a target is visible to radar (referred to as RCS in specialized literature). Their widespread use exposed the weaknesses of the ground-based system: where terrain obscured the target, it passed undetected. In open discussions, it was estimated that Russian air defenses could reliably cover approximately 40% of strategically important targets at the start of the operation. This is an expert estimate from a public debate, not a statistically supported figure, and should be treated accordingly. But it points in the right direction: the ground echelon was insufficient, and without air surveillance, the gaps could not be filled.

"Bumblebee" on an old glider


When paired with the S-400 anti-aircraft system, the A-50U aircraft offers something the system's ground station alone cannot. It extends detection beyond the horizon and utilizes the system's full range: it provides target designation for low-flying targets and allows engagement at distances inaccessible to ground stations—right up to the maximum range of the anti-aircraft missiles themselves. This is the primary value of the AWACS in an air defense system. It doesn't fire itself—it allows anti-aircraft gunners and fighters to fire at locations their missiles can barely reach.

The A-50 itself is based on the Il-76 military transport aircraft and carries the Shmel electronic system. The upgraded A-50U features an updated digital processing path, updated computers, and updated operator workstations. According to publicly available data, the aircraft can detect large aerial targets at a range of approximately 650 kilometers, cruise missiles at approximately 215 kilometers, and track up to 40 aerial targets simultaneously. 650 kilometers is the range at which a single aircraft can monitor an entire operational area.


The quality of the A-50U is excellent. The problem is, there aren't enough of them. The exact composition of the fleet is not disclosed, but estimates as of mid-2026 indicate only a few aircraft remain in service, with approximately four combat-ready A-50Us. This extends across the entire border. The loss of an aircraft over the Sea of ​​Azov demonstrated the consequences: a highly valuable aircraft operating close to the front line becomes a target for long-range enemy weapons, with virtually no replacements in reserve. Another significant fact: Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov publicly stated the need to resume A-50 production. Resuming production of a vehicle already removed from the assembly line usually signifies not planned development, but an attempt to close a gap.

Why is Premier late?


In February 2022, the A-100 flying laboratory took to the air for the first time with its electronics system activated. This was a significant milestone, but it was nonetheless a milestone. The A-100 Premier is based on the modernized Il-76MD-90A and carries a dual-band active phased array radar (AESA—an antenna without a rotating disk, the beam of which is redirected almost instantly by electronics). This design should be more effective against low-observable targets, from stealth aircraft to cruise missiles.

Then the deadlines began to slip. Deliveries to the troops were planned for 2016–2017, but were then repeatedly pushed back, right up to after 2024. There were also reports of one of the experimental aircraft being damaged in an attack. drones In Taganrog. As of August 2026, serial production of the A-100 has not been confirmed in open sources: the project exists, but there is no publicly confirmed deployment.


Then comes the difficult choice. Upgrading the A-50 to the A-50U is quick and straightforward: the airframe is proven, the infrastructure is in place, and the personnel are trained. But relying solely on the old aircraft will stall everything: the potential of new radars and digital processing in the Soviet airframe cannot be realized. The A-100 offers this potential, but it is expensive, complex, and time-consuming. The heavy-lift segment ultimately finds itself in a state of transition: the old is maintained, but the new is not ready. And the longer this transition drags on, the higher the risk that the A-50U will become obsolete before the A-100 enters service in sufficient numbers. An aircraft that is indispensable is also becoming scarce.

The middle class that doesn't exist


To combat the widespread use of cheap drones over large cities and industrial areas, what's needed isn't so much a long-range aircraft as a constant airborne presence. And flying a heavy Il-76 for routine patrols is expensive: neither the fuel consumption nor the airframe's endurance are designed for such a load. The answer is well-known and has been tried by others: a medium-range AWACS based on a passenger or transport platform.

This path has long been trodden abroad, and it's not complicated. The Swedish Erieye and its development into GlobalEye, the American E-7 Wedgetail based on the Boeing 737—all of them carry a fixed "hump" with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) above the fuselage, rather than a rotating disk. The beam is shifted electronically, eliminating the need to carry a heavy rotating "dish," making the airframe lighter and cheaper to operate. And yet, a typical narrow passenger aircraft can carry a fully-fledged surveillance radar. However, the analogy here runs into a wall. Western aircraft were built on production, proven civilian aircraft, while our candidates—the Tu-214, MS-21, and Il-114-300—are themselves mired in sanctions regarding composites and avionics, and there's no large-scale production run of them yet. A military version would have to be developed and certified separately, and on top of a civilian aircraft that hasn't yet reached stable production.

There were developments in the country for a medium-range AWACS. As early as the 2000s, the Vega concern, according to published information, was developing preliminary designs for a deck-based and land-based patrol system with an AESA in a dorsal fairing. The project never progressed beyond the initial stages: priorities shifted, funding was cut, and production never took off. A separate line of work is unmanned patrol. The Kronshtadt company announced the development of a large unmanned AWACS, and the Helios-RLD, according to its stated specifications, is designed for 24-30 hours of flight at altitudes of 9-11 kilometers. This is a promising direction, but these are still demonstrators and concepts, not operational aircraft. While they are logical as a supplement to manned aircraft, they cannot replace them: the weight of a radar and the number of operator positions cannot be transferred to a drone.

From the Tu-126 to the question of mass production


The one-off heavy AWACS isn't an anomaly of recent years, but an inherited logic. The Soviet system followed the same path: first the Tu-126, then the A-50, always a few expensive aircraft on a heavy airframe, tied to a strategic mission. And back then, it was justified. Strategic bombers and cruise missiles were considered the primary threat, and they fly on countable routes, and there aren't many of them. Against such an adversary, a dozen aircraft on alert is a viable solution.

But here the similarities with today end. The threat has changed: bombers and missiles have been joined by masses of cheap drones, deploying in the tens and hundreds across the entire front and in depth. Against such a threat, a single expensive aircraft is powerless, and not because it's inferior. It simply physically can't be everywhere at once. The bottleneck has shifted: previously, it was the radar itself and its performance; now it's the number of platforms. Thus, the logic of three levels is established: a heavy aircraft as a command post, a medium aircraft for mass patrols, and a high-altitude unmanned aircraft as an early sensor. Of these three, Russia has more or less only the first, heavy aircraft, and even that is in short supply. Medium and high-altitude unmanned aircraft are simply not operational.

Сonclusion


The need for a multilayered AWACS system in Russia is recognized and confirmed by experience. However, it is supported by a limited fleet of heavy aircraft based on Soviet airframes, the protracted A-100 program, and medium- and unmanned concepts that never reached production. The strategic objective is being carried out using temporary supports. Over the years, the operation has come no closer to a solution: they still want more of what they need than is operational.
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  1. + 15
    4 August 2026 04: 30
    The promising A-100 Premier is delayed.

    The A-100 was promising 20 years ago. The whole "mushroom" concept is outdated.
    1. + 15
      4 August 2026 05: 59
      In any case, even in its current state, it's capable of detecting anything the enemy is flying at. It needs to be put in order and scrambled. It needs to be focused on defending the country, not hanging around restaurants. soldier
      1. +4
        4 August 2026 16: 04
        Quote: V.
        put everything in order and lift it into the air

        There are not many AWACS left, and those that exist are still working.

        But we need to start producing at least the A-50, since things are so bleak with the radar for the A-100.
        Even the Soviet-era AWACS is simply incomparably better than its absence. Yes
    2. + 10
      4 August 2026 06: 13
      The very concept of a manned AWACS aircraft is outdated. Last year, the United States abandoned the procurement of a Boeing 737NG-based replacement for the AWACS in favor of satellites and reconnaissance drones.
      1. 0
        4 August 2026 13: 36
        It is true that we are now forced to discuss the purchase of additional E-2Ds as a temporary measure.
    3. + 13
      4 August 2026 06: 59
      What difference does it make? The main thing is the antenna and the brains...
      I don't understand why they couldn't make a replacement vehicle. The PFAR is produced in Russia for the Su-35S and MIG-31, and the combat computer is also produced for them. Why not put a pair of antennas on the Tu-214? In both directions?
      1. + 16
        4 August 2026 07: 14
        You're absolutely right! It seems that the development of AWACS aircraft in Russia is being deliberately slowed and sabotaged.
        Back in the early 1980s, an AWACS system based on three MiG-31s ​​was developed and mass-produced, capable of monitoring and attacking an airspace area of ​​1000 x 300 km. So much water has flown under the bridge since then that it's all but washed away...
        1. +9
          4 August 2026 08: 32
          I'll throw in a couple of options:
          1. Buy new KJ-200 and KJ-500 aircraft based on the An-12 from China.
          2. Buy a used ZDK-03 Karakoram Eagle from Pakistan. These are Chinese export KJ-500s. They are going to write them off or have written them off.

          There's no time or resources left to invent or build anything. Even if it's an airship or a hot air balloon, which also need to be calculated, tested, and so on.
          1. +1
            4 August 2026 11: 57
            And at the very least, everyone who can should participate in the AWACS competition, not Taganrog alone.
          2. +3
            4 August 2026 16: 08
            I'll throw in a couple of options:
            1. Buy new KJ-200 and KJ-500 aircraft based on the An-12 from China.
            2. Buy a used ZDK-03 Karakoram Eagle from Pakistan

            The only sensible options in my opinion
        2. -1
          4 August 2026 11: 56
          The MiG-31 isn't the same as an AWACS. It doesn't have the same service life, doesn't have as many operators, and doesn't have the same level of comfort.
          The approach itself was already flawed in the USSR. And in Russia, it's gotten worse.
          Even in the USSR, which had a serial PFAR for the MiG-31, there were no projects based on the civilian airliners Tu-154, Yak-42, and An-24/26/32. Although PFAR, data exchange systems, and civilian carriers were all mass-produced.
          1. osp
            +3
            4 August 2026 15: 30
            I'll go further: the excellent PFAR system on the MiG-31 was supposed to be upgraded for both the Su-27 and MiG-29. But the collapse of the USSR and funding cuts prevented it.
            As a result, these fighters received outdated radar systems.
            And this problem has not been resolved with the Su-27SM, SM3, and Su-30M2 to this day!
            There are currently no such PFARs with fully electronic scanning.
            1. +2
              4 August 2026 15: 41
              So, in the end, what is on the Su35S?
    4. +2
      4 August 2026 19: 33
      Deliveries to the troops were planned for 2016–2017.

      That says it all...
  2. + 30
    4 August 2026 04: 30
    But we replace curbs every year in the non-rubber zone and build schools in Tajikistan. This is more important! We need to "understand" this! And AWACS aircraft, like air defense systems for oil refineries, can be built with volunteers!
    1. +1
      8 August 2026 12: 45
      That's right!
      Billions are buried in the ground, putting the money into the right pockets.
      They say they're already replacing the galvanized road barrier profiles in the capital...
  3. + 12
    4 August 2026 04: 32
    The need for a multi-layered AWACS system in Russia has been recognized
    … I’m embarrassed to ask: recognized by whom? By Znamenskaya Street, which had a great time And the... sorry, it wasn't effective enough. We're not taking the Ivanovo and Taganrog ones into account: they have vested interests.
    It seems to me the question rests on a common understanding: how? And who?
    1. +3
      5 August 2026 01: 56
      A task came from above.
      The commander called a meeting and asked the Chief of Staff a question: “What is the need for AWACS aircraft?”
      The Chief of Staff announced the number 10, with 1, 2, and 3 on standby.
      Well, the Engineer cooled everyone down by saying that there was only 1 (one) in combat readiness.
      We'll part ways here. And think about what and how to report to the higher-ups. /|\
      1. +4
        5 August 2026 02: 21
        Sometimes it seems like many people are only preoccupied with how to present their reports effectively. And, consequently, the level of results depends on the level of the office... The issue of AWACS isn't new, nor are the issues with communications, automated control systems, and so on... It feels like Znamenskaya Street is stuck in the Shipka era and is overflowing with potato traps...
  4. + 12
    4 August 2026 04: 46
    Mmm... Another article in the "WE NEED..." series. Of course, there's a great need. But the author himself concludes that there aren't enough resources. So, the morning begins with news of arrivals; it's become routine.
    1. +4
      4 August 2026 05: 29
      Briefly. Where did the Il-76 come from? At the time of its development, there was no other carrier in production. The Il-86 wasn't ready yet, and it was a bit heavy. And building a saucer on a high-wing aircraft, let's say carefully, isn't exactly a smart idea. The question breaks down into two: an AWACS aircraft is needed here and now. A promising one is needed, and it needs to be developed, but it's not fast. What's needed is a production carrier, a production radar, an onboard processing system, a ground-to-ground communications link, and a ground receiving station. Naturally, putting all this together from scratch won't be optimal, but it will work.
      The next question is: checkers or to go. If checkers, it's for about 10 years. If to go, it can be done in a year, using administrative resources so that the designers won't be disturbed. What to build it from? The carrier is a Tu-214 (there's no other), the radar is from a Su-35, onboard processing is feasible, but we need to think about the communication channel. Putting the radar in the nose instead of the weather system will take a long time, as integration with the air defense system will be needed. So, on the side or on top; on top is preferable. That's all.
      1. + 13
        4 August 2026 06: 02
        The Tu-214 is facing major problems at the plant – even civilian contracts have fallen through, and management is changing again.
        1. +1
          4 August 2026 19: 12
          Quote: Totor5
          The Tu-214 is facing major problems at the plant – even civilian contracts have fallen through, and management is changing again.

          use the Tu-154M from the Ministry of Defense's inventory
          1. 0
            4 August 2026 19: 30
            "one of the world's fastest production passenger airliners with a cruising speed of over 900 km/h."
            What for?
            1. 0
              5 August 2026 18: 25
              Quote: Totor5
              What for?

              Because the Ministry of Defense has it right now. The first aircraft for conversion isn't scheduled for delivery in four years.
              1. +1
                6 August 2026 00: 42
                This aircraft is being decommissioned.

                "Since the mid-2000s, airlines have begun gradually phasing out the Tu-154. The main reason for abandoning this aircraft type is not so much the aircraft's service life (most Tu-154s were produced in the late 1980s and could fly until 2015) or its quality, but rather the low fuel efficiency of the NK-8 and D-30KU engines (the D-30 consumes almost 1,4 times more fuel than the CFM56, the main engine used on Western aircraft).

                As of 2010, 100 Tu-154 aircraft of various modifications were in operation in Russia. As of 2013, UTair was the largest Tu-154 user in Russia, but it, too, soon phased out the Tu-154 from its fleet.

                As of 2020, one M-model aircraft, RA-85757, manufactured in 1992, remained in commercial service in Russia, operated by Alrosa Airlines. Two more aircraft, manufactured in 1976 and 1983, are operated by the national carrier of the DPRK.

                On October 28, 2020, the only remaining Tu-154 aircraft in Russian civil aviation completed its final flight.
                1. +1
                  6 August 2026 18: 17
                  Quote: Totor5
                  This aircraft is being decommissioned.

                  They've eliminated it from civilian airlines. Powered aircraft don't fly 20 hours a day like civilian aircraft, and they've preserved the airframe's lifespan. They share the same engines with the Il-76, so there should be a LOT of them.
                  1. +1
                    6 August 2026 18: 45
                    2017 year

                    The Russian Ministry of Defense may decommission the Tu-154, Tu-134, and Il-62M aircraft. They could be replaced in the Russian Armed Forces by new Tupolev Tu-214s and Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company SSJ 100s.

                    According to Kommersant, citing sources close to the Defense Ministry's leadership, Sergei Shoigu ordered a review of the renewal of the passenger aircraft fleet in January of this year. The crash of a Tu-154 over the Black Sea, which killed 92 people, was the impetus.

                    Currently, the Ministry of Defense operates 14 Tu-154B-2 aircraft (produced between 1979 and 1985), 7 Tu-154M (1986 and 2012), 36 Tu-134A and Tu-134A-3 (1975 and 1983), and 9 Il-62 (1977 and 1992).
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      2. +8
        4 August 2026 06: 17
        There are questions about the use of the Su-35 radar, for example, in terms of its service life. This is because the radar on an AWACS aircraft operates in a completely different mode than on a fighter. And yes, the Tu-214 is essentially no longer in production. Generally speaking, the idea of ​​deploying two imported, similar aircraft in a resource-constrained environment is a bit of a stretch.
        1. 0
          5 August 2026 18: 35
          Quote: Freeal
          There are questions about the use of the Su-35 radar, for example, in the context of its service life.

          Maybe try something even simpler: transfer the entire Tor system to the same Tu-154M. The SOC is on top, the downward guidance system is in radar-transparent fairings, and the workstations are in the cabin. And the communications link issuing the fighters' targeting instructions. Everything is mass-produced and much more numerous.
          Then you can at least hang missiles under the planes
      3. +1
        4 August 2026 06: 28
        Quote: DWG1905
        At the time of its creation, there was no other carrier in the series.

        You forgot to clarify. There was no carrier capable of lifting the necessary equipment. Well, the Il-62, for example, was a suitable base, after all. But the equipment racks wouldn't fit inside it...
        1. 0
          4 August 2026 13: 39
          Il-86, Il-96, Tu-154M
          The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
      4. +1
        4 August 2026 13: 37
        A pair of side blisters is perhaps the most realistic option.
      5. +1
        4 August 2026 13: 54
        There were Il-62Ms, and in large quantities.
    2. +3
      4 August 2026 08: 08
      The resources are there, but the desires and will... sad
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  6. + 14
    4 August 2026 05: 25
    I don't understand the problem. Those in charge need to be promised that by 2030, Russia will have... twenty A-100s and two more A-150s.
    1. + 11
      4 August 2026 07: 57
      Quote: avia12005
      I don't understand what the problem is.
      Maybe the problem is that we don't even make galoshes anymore, but buy them from China...
    2. + 11
      4 August 2026 08: 23
      They already promised. ) Have you forgotten how Chemezov loudly announced that serial production of the A-50U was resuming? Well, then some small-timer quietly said that they were still thinking about it and were waiting for the A-50U to finish testing and hadn't started serial production yet. wassat
  7. +9
    4 August 2026 05: 25
    Both the A50 and A100 are obsolete. Airborne "operators" are no longer needed—modern data transmission systems allow them to be stationed even on the other side of the world. The task of intercepting thousands of enemy UAVs and low-flying cruise missiles basically comes down to their detection. This, in turn, is accomplished by multiple, long-term, airborne surveillance points—radars and more. In today's reality, these include heavy UAVs, airships, and aerostats. Personally, I'd opt for the latter—tethered aerostats powered from the ground and an onboard radar. They're cheap and mass-produced. When voltage is increased, an aluminum cable weighing several hundred kilograms will easily provide tens of kilowatts at an altitude of 3-5 km. A Dyneema suspension cord weighs practically nothing. The streamlined, elongated balloon design provides wind resistance, and the only onboard radar is a surveillance radar, possibly converted from a civilian Chinese one. I would say this is the only way to quickly create a low-flying aircraft detection network on a national scale without spending years on development.
    1. -3
      4 August 2026 06: 00
      How will you guide aircraft and coordinate them in the air? By balloon?
      1. +3
        4 August 2026 06: 30
        Quote: Totor5
        How will you guide aircraft and coordinate them in the air? By balloon?

        Do you think a communication antenna on a balloon will look unsightly?
        1. +2
          4 August 2026 11: 35
          Do you think a communication antenna on a balloon will look unsightly?

          Why not place radar and communications equipment inside a balloon? The shell is radio-transparent...
        2. -2
          4 August 2026 13: 29
          I believe the balloon could be used as a bomber.
          1. +2
            4 August 2026 19: 39
            Quote: Totor5
            I believe the balloon could be used as a bomber.

            Back to the future!
            And set up fusees for defense.
            1. +2
              4 August 2026 23: 37
              You can even throw a sack on Zelensky - he won't know what hit him.
              Or are we also forbidden to use a bag?
          2. 0
            5 August 2026 03: 15
            Quote: Totor5
            I believe the balloon could be used as a bomber.

            Like bombing ourselves? Or don't you know that a balloon is a tethered, lighter-than-air aircraft?
        3. +4
          6 August 2026 08: 55
          I believe that the simplicity of this method (mounting a radar on a balloon) is overlooking one obvious truth...the balloon's deployment area, unlike that of an AWACS aircraft, is stationary. And then everything will follow the classic pattern...using ELINT/SIGINT and satellite reconnaissance, the enemy will identify these deployment areas and strike them, but then these areas will no longer be covered by radar, and everything will return to normal...the enemy's ASPs will once again dominate our country's skies!
          1. 0
            7 August 2026 03: 43
            Quote: Sanguinius
            the balloon's deployment area, unlike that of AWACS aircraft, is stationary

            Absolutely right. If we're talking about frontline areas.
          2. +1
            7 August 2026 14: 38
            Well, firstly, the ground installation can be made mobile, say, based on a 40-foot container. Secondly, the aerostat can be covered by UAV interceptors, or they can be placed on board. While radar systems currently detect ground-based radar positions and calculate their blind spots, airborne radars may have no blind spots at all.
            1. 0
              8 August 2026 09: 41
              Well, firstly, the ground installation can be made mobile, say, based on a 40-foot container.

              A tractor with a 40-foot container isn't a reconnaissance asset, and besides, we're talking about constant air surveillance, which means the aerostat will be in the air, and the container will also turn into a stationary target (the only exception is if they fold up and leave their position for scheduled maintenance, and that's it, and possibly reappear at a new position; that's the only feature that could possibly complicate their search). And take them while they're still warm.
              Secondly, the aerostat can be covered by UAV interceptors, or they can be placed on board

              We can't even properly cover infrastructure with these interceptors, and you're talking about aerostats. Incidentally, that's another way to supplement the aerostats: they themselves will need security, which we still haven't been able to organize properly, over the targets themselves.
              So, in my personal opinion, the idea with balloons is questionable, although not without promise...maybe it will work for controlling airspace deep in Russia.
      2. +7
        4 August 2026 06: 54
        Back in the early 80s, the Soviet Air Defense's radio and television systems were integrated into an automated control system. This means, for example, that Moscow could receive data from radars on Sakhalin, Franz Josef Land, and elsewhere. Back then, 50 years ago, decisions were made at the air defense control center, and they could still be made there, rather than in a balloon, if the radio and television systems hadn't been optimized.
      3. +3
        4 August 2026 10: 50
        Quote: Totor5
        How will you guide aircraft and coordinate them in the air? By balloon?
        From the ground. All the data will be transmitted there. An airplane or a UAV is definitely better and faster. But there aren't many other options if you need it fast.
        1. +1
          4 August 2026 19: 27
          We need to tell the Americans that instead of AWACs and RABs on wings, they need to place in Iran (and anywhere in the world) balloons and Tochi on the ground.
          1. +2
            4 August 2026 19: 44
            Quote: Totor5
            We need to tell the Americans that instead of AWACs and RABs on wings, they need to place in Iran (and anywhere in the world) balloons and Tochi on the ground.

            “Well, they are too stupid” © Mikhail Zadornov.
            And we can’t afford the balloons - it’s better to buy everything, as suggested above.
            Pakistan has the best used car inventory—they can be sold at the price of new cars, plus a premium. This decision will definitely be supported at the highest levels—it aligns with our two fundamental ideas.
          2. 0
            5 August 2026 08: 28
            Why would they? The US has no problems with either the AWACS or the UAVs. They probably have closer to a hundred AWACS alone, plus UAVs with reconnaissance capabilities. And we have so many of them on our territory. As the saying goes: "No time for fat, just to survive."
            1. +2
              6 August 2026 00: 33
              They have over a hundred Avaxes, but most of them are small ones from the Navy, which we don’t have at all.
              They use them for patrolling border services and other drug control activities, plus for wars from aircraft carriers to track and target fighters and missiles.
              Here they offer us balloons and something on the ground, without realizing that all this is worse and can only be done in controlled territory.
              1. +1
                6 August 2026 06: 08
                The question here isn't whether it's better or worse. The question is how to quickly create a radar field that covers all areas, be that as it may, even the curvature of the Earth. So that cruise missiles and UAVs can be shot down.
                It is clear that there will be no drone aircraft in the near future.
                Solution: a ground post and a balloon are the answer, as they allow for rapid planning, deployment, and surveillance. As for aircraft operating only over friendly territory, they operate only over friendly territory. Even our fighters and bombers operate only over friendly territory.
                1. -1
                  6 August 2026 18: 40
                  You can't win by playing defense. AVACS will allow you to map the enemy's air defenses and finally conduct a full-scale air operation to defeat the enemy—destroying strongholds like Kyiv and Dnipropetrovsk.
                  The aerostat is not a replacement for Awaks in any way, but some people talk about it as a replacement, and a complete one at that.
                  1. +2
                    7 August 2026 09: 00
                    AWACS alone can't do anything. The Americans have everything working together: AWACS, reconnaissance satellites, communications, drones, and the F-35 and F-22 stealth aircraft. This is what allows them to conduct air operations. And you're only writing about AWACS. It can't do anything on its own. We have the A-50, and how did it all end when they approached the line of contact? The most important thing now is air defense. In my opinion, this can be done to the maximum extent possible, by covering our territory with radar stations, and aerostats allow us to do this quickly and with minimal cost.
                    1. 0
                      7 August 2026 22: 29
                      Don't fill in the blanks for me. I never wrote anywhere that only AWAX is needed and nothing else. I only wrote that Aerostat is not a replacement for AWAX.

                      Aerostats can be made...temporarily, but their ease is highly questionable—do we have a mass-produced aerostat somewhere? Or a ton of people who can service them? The vulnerability of these aerostats and ground stations is also questionable. After all, they would likely also need air defense protection and maintenance.

                      Of course, you can write about the Voronezh station, but so what?
    2. +5
      4 August 2026 06: 12
      I also immediately thought: why did the author fixate only on airplanes? After all, there are also aerostats and airships. A regular aerostat shaped like a hot air balloon. How long can a heavy AWACS aircraft "hover" in the air? And what about the infrastructure: an airfield (not every one will do), roads leading to them, maintenance, hangars (we've already seen what the Ukrainians can do with an airplane without a hangar). But an airship can float in the air for weeks. No, of course, if they can squeeze all the AWACS equipment into an An-2, then I agree, the plane is cheap. All that remains is to resume production, which is a big problem; we can't replicate the "technology." And the author also writes about small, medium-range aircraft. My question is: can't gliders be adapted? I remember they can hover in the air for a long time too.
    3. 0
      4 August 2026 06: 21
      There are also questions about tethered aerostats' resistance to UAV interceptors. But I agree, the classic AWACS concept is outdated; even the US Air Force canceled the contract for the supposedly capable E-7.
      1. +2
        4 August 2026 08: 08
        Quote: Freeal
        There are also questions about tethered balloons' resistance to UAV interceptors.
        Variants of unified multifunctional towers, such as the UMV-30, are used. The towers are 30 meters tall. A network of such towers can create a control zone. Incidentally, the Yankees once used "Texas towers"—naval platforms that housed US missile defense radars. The photo shows a stationary tower.
        1. -4
          4 August 2026 10: 01
          But what if the UAV flies along the riverbed (which is what they mostly do now?) This tower won't see it.
          1. +4
            4 August 2026 11: 58
            Quote: PROXOR
            What if the UAV flies along the riverbed?
            We need to combine them; finally, towers can be placed on the shore.
          2. -1
            4 August 2026 13: 21
            Have you ever seen a single drone flying along the riverbed? Has anyone seen one?
            1. 0
              5 August 2026 03: 46
              Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
              Have you ever seen a single drone flying along the riverbed? Has anyone seen one?


              Personally, I haven't seen a single UAV flying at all. But there's plenty of evidence of them flying over the rivers, both on our side and on the Ukrainian side.
              1. -1
                5 August 2026 08: 36
                And where? The rivers are full of fishermen and river workers, but not a single one of ours has seen one.
        2. +1
          5 August 2026 03: 45
          Quote: Per se.
          Variants of unified multifunctional towers, such as the UMV-30, are used. The towers are 30 meters tall. A network of such towers can create a control zone. Incidentally, the Yankees once used "Texas towers"—naval platforms that housed US missile defense radars. The photo shows a stationary tower.


          The radio horizon of a 30-meter-high tower is less than 20 kilometers. This is over a completely flat surface. Taking into account the terrain, it could deflate to zero. The American satellite constellation has long been detecting our radars, and the subsequent route is calculated based on the terrain around them, which is the source of the problem.
          The horizon of an aerial radar at an altitude of 3–200 km is approximately 100–150 km. At this altitude, terrain becomes almost irrelevant.
          1. 0
            6 August 2026 11: 28
            No one would put a tower where the terrain would make it useless. What's your purpose in casting a shadow on the fence?
      2. +2
        4 August 2026 10: 00
        Quote: Freeal
        There are also questions about tethered balloons' resistance to UAV interceptors.

        There are no questions. No one is planning to bring tethered aerostats closer than 100 km to the LBS. Naturally, the ground-based anchor-power infrastructure also needs to be protected from drones like Lutiy. But in this case, the aerostat itself will be able to detect a threat approaching it in time and transmit information down.
    4. +2
      4 August 2026 08: 45
      Point by point:
      1. "Modern data transmission means allow..." - a slogan about a spherical horse in a vacuum. Let me remind you that we don't have Starlink yet, and what we have doesn't allow anything like that yet.
      2. Russia doesn't have any heavy-duty UAVs with powerful radars for surveillance and detection of aerial targets, not even in prototype form. Given the size and weight of domestically produced equipment, it would likely be the IL-76 unmanned aircraft.
      3. The fact that a Chinese "civilian" radar sees something there is of no use; this information must be somehow processed and transmitted to the air defense system. The issue of interfacing various equipment is often no less complex than the creation of this equipment.
      4. In unfavorable weather, or rather, in strong winds, this entire airship-aerostatic “armada” lands and cannot be used.
      In general, we have no alternative to AWACS aircraft, unless we fantasize.
      1. +2
        4 August 2026 10: 07
        Quote from: spyder100
        1. "Modern data transmission means allow..." - a slogan about a spherical horse in a vacuum. Let me remind you that we don't have Starlink yet, and what we have doesn't allow anything like that yet.

        The Rassvet satellite constellation has confirmed the planned data transfer rate; the question remains about saturating the orbit with our satellite constellation.
        Quote from: spyder100
        Russia doesn't have any heavy-duty UAVs with powerful radars for surveillance and detection of aerial targets, not even in prototype form. Given the size and weight of domestically produced equipment, it would likely be the IL-76 unmanned aircraft.

        Of course, we don't have 2nm technology, but our electronics aren't so archaic that we need a cargo platform. Let me remind you that the Su-57 has quite a lot of computing power, yet it fits into an aircraft no larger than the previous Su-35. Moreover, the Su-57 carries an active phased array antenna (AESA) on both the wings and the sides.
        Quote from: spyder100
        The fact that a Chinese "civilian" radar sees something there is of no use; this information must be somehow processed and transmitted to the air defense system. The issue of interfacing various equipment is often no less complex than the creation of this equipment.

        It's a purely programming question. There are plenty of talented people in the IT industry; it's a matter of motivation.
        Quote from: spyder100
        In unfavorable weather, or rather, in strong winds, this entire airship-aerostatic "armada" lands and cannot be used.
        In general, we have no alternative to AWACS aircraft, unless we fantasize.

        A tethered balloon requires practically a hurricane. With it, all those little flying contraptions would stop flying, unable to withstand the wind.

        In general, all your arguments are of the glass is half empty type.
        1. +1
          5 August 2026 12: 09
          1. There are currently 21 working Rassvets and over 10 Starlinks in orbit....
          For consideration: the Soyuz 2.1 launch vehicle can launch no more than 18 spacecraft at a time. From 2023 to 2026, Russia conducted an average of 17 space rocket launches annually (including manned) (the US conducted over 150 launches). How long does it take to reach saturation?
          2. Programming for military systems typically involves access to various classified information and the associated restrictions that talented IT professionals avoid like the devil from holy water.
          3. For a tethered balloon, the maximum wind speed is 5 m/s, which is not a hurricane at all...
          1. 0
            5 August 2026 19: 23
            From 2023 to 2026, Russia conducted an average of 17 space rocket launches annually (including manned) (the US conducted over 150 launches). How long will it take to reach saturation?
            Do you really think that everything comes down to the number of rockets? Satellite developers would be happy to make more, but they have nothing to launch them on? wassat
      2. -1
        4 August 2026 10: 10
        4. In unfavorable weather, or rather, in strong winds, this entire airship-aerostatic “armada” lands and cannot be used.

        What are the weather restrictions for "Lyuty"?
        1. +3
          4 August 2026 19: 25
          Why are you comparing a disposable kamikaze drone to an aerostat (airship)? Is it supposed to fly, too?
      3. +1
        5 August 2026 09: 06
        What about cruise missiles? They're apparently weather-resistant...
        1. +3
          5 August 2026 11: 59
          Initially, the discussion was about aircraft capable of carrying radar and performing AWACS functions - aerostats and airships and their fairly strong dependence on weather, and not about kamikaze drones and cruise missiles.
    5. +3
      4 August 2026 10: 39
      Quote: squid
      without spending years on development

      It took years for the country to realize that AWACS is even necessary, but there's still no result.
      1. +1
        6 August 2026 20: 29
        Now we need to understand that without AWACS, the country might not exist...
    6. +2
      4 August 2026 13: 40
      Take the Air Defense Forces, for example. AWACS aircraft fly around Russia, fully manned. And they cause a lot of damage.
      1. 0
        4 August 2026 21: 56
        Destroying AWACS isn't a technical problem, or rather, it's not a problem at all. For example, Iran shoots down American reconnaissance drones, but we don't.
        1. 0
          5 August 2026 20: 07
          But they're working against us? How can we do the same? And what are we going to patrol inside the country with?
  8. +4
    4 August 2026 05: 58
    We need a small, mass-produced AWACS like the Grumman E-2 Hawkeye. NATO has hundreds of them.
    They are currently putting the new propeller-driven Il-114-300 into production - I think I could work with it.
  9. + 10
    4 August 2026 06: 17
    We were preparing for the wars of the past, as usual. Before, generals laughed at drones, dismissed them as toys, and stood around at exhibitions making jokes about them. Now we laugh at balloons and aerostats, while the Chinese control their entire skies with them and fly into the United States. The States are already making cargo aerostats. Why is our stubbornness preventing us from developing? Why is everything like this?!
    1. +1
      4 August 2026 08: 03
      It's not stubbornness, but a fear of responsibility. And the same applies to our partner-opponents. Just look at Israel: those Merkavas are unguarded, and if Hezbollah had hundreds of thousands of drones (Ukraine has millions), the IDF would cease to exist. Meanwhile, the US and China have tens of times more resources and money, and they can afford to experiment.
    2. + 10
      4 August 2026 10: 42
      Because no one is punished for not having an AWACS. Just like they don't punish anyone for failing to do their main job. The most they punish is for bribes, for letting money slip past the boss, and the main job isn't important at all; you can screw up anything and nothing will happen.
  10. + 12
    4 August 2026 06: 59
    Transporting valuable specialists on a plane near the FRNTV line isn't a very good idea anymore. But mounting equipment on drones, airships, and satellites is much more interesting and likely cheaper.
  11. +3
    4 August 2026 07: 21
    As a country on the defensive, we don't particularly need powerful AWACS. And they'd be shot down immediately anyway. An aggressor needs powerful AWACS to project its power thousands of kilometers from its bases.

    We can plant micro-airfields within our own territory, even just 50 kilometers apart. Why then do we need hundred-ton AWACS flying thousands of kilometers? We need a network of small radars, like the airborne early warning and control (VNOS) posts of the Great Patriotic War. Flying radars should be small and mounted on unmanned platforms. They might even be able to take off from roads. The crew, after all, is in a bunker on the ground.
    1. +3
      4 August 2026 08: 58
      They are very useful in cases of drone and cruise missile attacks - they greatly increase the chances of interception.
    2. +1
      4 August 2026 16: 26
      Quote: also a doctor
      We can set up micro-airfields on our territory even 50 km apart from each other.

      Do you even understand that this will cost several orders of magnitude more than creating a fleet of AWACS aircraft?
      1. 0
        4 August 2026 17: 54
        If you cut it, then yes. But in terms of cost, one AWACS aircraft is more expensive than such a network per thousand kilometers.
        .
        And, most importantly, by 2032, the West will be ready to attack us. And it will attack if we don't counter it with a sufficient threat. The cheapest option is 10,000 single-warhead stealth missiles. But you'll still cry foul, saying it's too expensive... And without the readiness to use it, it's useless.

        But it is better to invest 40 billion from the Central Bank's reserves into defense now than to lose 4 trillion later if a third world war breaks out.
        1. +1
          4 August 2026 18: 20
          Quote: also a doctor
          If you saw, then yes.

          So you don't understand.
          First, your "small radars" alone will cost many times more than full-fledged AWACS. Because radars are incredibly expensive, and you'll need a lot of them—and given the short patrol time (thousands of kilometers of AWACS that scare you so much)—that's AIRTIME. So, where three AWACS capable of monitoring the skies for eight hours a day would provide round-the-clock coverage, you'll need 12 aircraft capable of monitoring for two hours. But given that your small radars also have a small coverage area, you'll need 48, not 12. And given that your aircraft's combat stability will be rock bottom, since AWACS, carrying a powerful radar, can stay away from the enemy, while yours will be forced into a clinch, you'll need a full 150.
          Your network of small airfields will need everything the larger ones do—fuel storage, personnel, all the necessary equipment, runways, even if they're more modest than standard ones, and air defense coverage. Keep in mind that three airbases, each with two regiments, cost the equivalent of a single nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. Based on this, you can estimate how much your network will support.
          Quote: also a doctor
          But you will still scream that it is expensive...

          Of course. Because you didn't even deign to figure out how much your dreams would cost.
          Quote: also a doctor
          But it's better now to invest 40 billion from the Central Bank's reserves into defense

          Which are not enough for anything you described - not even 1/1000
          Quote: also a doctor
          than to lose later

          You know, you remind me of a certain historical figure. His name was Tukhachevsky. He also demanded 100,000 tanks urgently, otherwise there would be war, and we were unarmed.
        2. +1
          4 August 2026 18: 20
          Quote: also a doctor
          If you saw, then yes.

          So you don't understand.
          First, your network of "small radars" alone will cost many times more than a full-fledged AWACS. Because radars are incredibly expensive, and you'll need a lot of them—and given the short patrol time (thousands of kilometers of AWACS that scare you so much)—that's AIRTIME. So, where three AWACS capable of monitoring the skies for eight hours a day would provide round-the-clock coverage, you'll need 12 aircraft capable of monitoring for two hours. But given that your small radars also have a small coverage area, you'll need 48, not 12. And given that your aircraft's combat stability will be rock bottom, since the AWACS, carrying a powerful radar, can stay away from the enemy, while yours will be forced into a clinch, figure a full 150.
          Your network of small airfields will need everything the larger ones do—fuel storage, personnel, all the necessary equipment, runways, even if they're more modest than standard ones, and air defense coverage. Keep in mind that three airbases, each with two regiments, cost the equivalent of a single nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. Based on this, you can estimate how much your network will support.
          Quote: also a doctor
          But you will still scream that it is expensive...

          Of course. Because you didn't even deign to figure out how much your dreams would cost.
          Quote: also a doctor
          But it's better now to invest 40 billion from the Central Bank's reserves into defense

          Which are not enough for anything you described - not even 1/1000
          Quote: also a doctor
          than to lose later

          You know, you remind me of a certain historical figure. His name was Tukhachevsky. He also demanded 100,000 tanks urgently, otherwise there would be war, and we were unarmed.
          1. DO
            +1
            4 August 2026 19: 52
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Where 3 AWACS capable of monitoring the skies for 8 hours a day provide round-the-clock duty, you will need 12 aircraft capable of staying on duty for 2 hours.

            Why do you think a loitering UAV, such as the Sirius with an onboard radar, will have a flight endurance of only two hours? No one needs such a design with a flight endurance of less than 12-24 hours. Even if this requirement requires, for example, periodically turning on the radar transmitter to conserve fuel, with an acceptable shutdown time between scans.

            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The combat stability of your aircraft will be at rock bottom, since the AWACS, carrying a powerful radar, can stay away from the enemy, while yours will have to go into a clinch

            In the context of this article, the radar carrier must be located outside the enemy air defense engagement zone.
            If a frontline AWACS UAV is required, it would be logical to follow the American concept and use the onboard radar of the S-70 stealth UAV.

            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            small radars also have a small control area

            Yes, that's true. The need for AWACS UAVs along the Northern Sea Route will be many times greater than the A-50. But the fact is that, based on previous experience, the A-50, much less its more modern counterparts, can be forgotten in the coming years. Flying radars are needed right now, as every month of their absence brings Russia ever greater losses to infrastructure, lives, and civilian health. The development and serial production of UAVs, however, can be organized quickly, perhaps in a matter of months, by combining existing solutions with minimal modifications.
            1. +2
              4 August 2026 20: 39
              Quote: DO
              Why do you think that a loitering UAV, for example Sirius with a radar on board, will have a flight time of only 2 hours?

              Of course not. Its 300 kg payload would allow it to lift some simple radar, like a Zhuk with a penetrating electronic radar. And it would be able to fly with it for about 20 hours. But the radar wouldn't work—it simply has no power source from Sirius to operate. But for a radar on Sirius to actually work... It would have to be either a pocket radar or no longer be Sirius.
              Quote: DO
              If a frontline AWACS UAV is required, it would be logical to follow the American concept and use the onboard radar of the S-70 stealth UAV.

              Their concept is airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft. They don't use UAVs for that purpose. And the S-70 is, again, expensive and not suitable for micro-airfields. It weighs about 20-25 kg and is priced closer to a fighter jet.
              Quote: DO
              And flying radars are needed right now.

              For now, they can cosplay as fighter radars.
              1. DO
                +2
                4 August 2026 23: 03
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Quote: DO
                Why do you think that a loitering UAV, for example Sirius with a radar on board, will have a flight time of only 2 hours?

                Of course not. Its 300 kg payload would allow it to lift some simple radar, like a Zhuk with a penetrating phased array radar. And it would be able to fly with it for about 20 hours. However, the radar wouldn't work—it simply has no power source from Sirius to operate.

                The Kronstadt company was working on the Helios AWACS UAV, with the Premier onboard radar from the A-100. However, this device never made it past the exhibition mockup stage, and nothing has been heard about it since 2024.
                If short deadlines are required (possibly at the expense of record-breaking performance), it seems appropriate to integrate the serially produced Belka AESA radar from the Su-57 into the UAV carrier. Its power consumption during continuous scanning is on the order of several kilowatts, and judging by the size of the round antenna in the publicly available photos, it is certainly less than that of the rectangular antenna panel from the radar used in the classic A-100 AWACS aircraft.
                The Altius UAV, with its 1-ton payload, is more suitable as a radar carrier than the Sirius. However, integrating the radar into the Altius should be handled by a specialized contractor, certainly not UZGA, which seems to have forgotten about it after it landed in a barn.

                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                The S-70 is, again, expensive and not suitable for micro-airfields.

                War in general is not a cheap activity.
                And yet, using the S-70 as a flying radar is cheaper than the Su-57 or Su-35 for the same purposes.
                And why "for micro-airfields"? The S-70 is not the An-2.
                1. +1
                  5 August 2026 07: 27
                  Quote: DO
                  The Kronstadt company worked on the Helios AWACS UAV, with the Premier onboard radar from the A-100.

                  You are mistaken. The Helios-RLD had a takeoff weight of 4 tons, which is significantly less than the weight of the A-100 radar.
                  Quote: DO
                  If short deadlines are required (possibly at the expense of record-breaking performance), it seems advisable to integrate the serial AESA radar "Belka" from the Su-57 into the UAV carrier.

                  The question is, why are we doing this? If we need to tighten control over Ukrainian UAVs, then yes, it might work. But monitoring the UAVs will be very difficult, and they won't be able to replace fighter jets. And there's no point in even talking about a war with NATO.
                  Quote: DO
                  War in general is not a cheap activity.

                  That's why it's important to look at the cost/effectiveness criterion.
                  Quote: DO
                  And yet, using the S-70 as a flying radar is cheaper than the Su-57 or Su-35 for the same purposes.

                  The Su-35 serves not only as a flying radar but also as an air defense system. The S-70...
                  1. DO
                    +1
                    5 August 2026 13: 51
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    You are mistaken. The Helios-RLD had a takeoff weight of 4 tons, which is significantly less than the weight of the A-100 radar.

                    I could be wrong, of course. But the panel Gelils is designing, as they say, is a fragment of the A-100 radar. Clearly, the A-50/100's capabilities are many times greater than what a UAV can possibly achieve.

                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Quote: DO
                    If short deadlines are required (possibly at the expense of record-breaking performance), it seems advisable to integrate the serial AESA radar "Belka" from the Su-57 into the UAV carrier.

                    The question is, why are we doing this? If we need to tighten control over Ukrainian UAVs, then yes, it might work. But monitoring the UAVs will be very difficult, and they won't be able to replace fighter jets.

                    Why would a flying radar make it difficult to monitor the LBS? Quite the contrary, since that's its intended purpose.
                    The S-70, as a means of destroying air targets, will certainly not completely replace manned fighters, although its arsenal of weapons includes X-74M2 high-explosive missiles.
                    However, detecting enemy cruise missiles, fighters, or long-range drones in advance and reporting their parameters to ground-based air defense services and fighters, as the experience of the Ukrainian Armed Forces shows, is costly.
                    And the transfer of the AWACS function from fighters to UAVs will reduce the losses of manned fighters (while increasing them for the unmanned and cheaper S-70).
                    1. +2
                      5 August 2026 14: 00
                      Quote: DO
                      But the projected Gelils panel, as they say, is a fragment of the A-100 radar

                      It could theoretically be an antenna fragment, but an antenna fragment is not a radar. And if such an antenna were used on a UAV, it wouldn't produce anywhere near the results of the A-100. But that was most likely just a dummy antenna for nothing.
                      Quote: DO
                      Why would a flying radar make it difficult to monitor the LBS?

                      The fighter is fast and has a full suite of ELINT and electronic warfare capabilities. If a fighter is caught in radar coverage or detects a missile launch, it can simply make a sharp turn and boost its power—and the range of missiles in the ZPS is almost half that of the PPS—the closing speed is completely different.
                      Therefore, a fighter can fly closer to the LBS than a UAV - there will be a whole sector in which the fighter will have time to escape the attack, but the UAV will not.
                      And this is critical, because the range of the fighter's air defense systems and UAVs cannot be compared with the AWACS.
                      1. DO
                        0
                        5 August 2026 14: 25
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        If a fighter is caught in radar coverage or detects the launch of an air-to-air missile/surface-to-air missile, it can simply make a sharp turn and boost its power (...)
                        (…)
                        Therefore, a fighter can fly closer to the LBS than a UAV - there will be a whole sector in which the fighter will have time to escape the attack, but the UAV will not.

                        Yes, while the S-70 can do all the same, its maneuverability and thrust-to-weight ratio are significantly lower than those of a fighter. However, the S-70's radar signature on stealth radars with its radar turned off is significantly lower than that of the Su-35 fighter. Therefore, the question of which of the reconnaissance aircraft under discussion can be answered only by combat experience.
                      2. +2
                        5 August 2026 14: 48
                        Quote: DO
                        However, the S-70's visibility on stealth radars with the radar turned off

                        So if the radar is turned off, it does not perform its function:)))))
                        Quote: DO
                        Therefore, the answer to the question of which intelligence officer among those under discussion will be able to work closer to the LBS

                        It's already been given. Both we and the Ukrainians are now striving to ensure that the airspace above and beyond the LBS is constantly covered by radar. Of course, there are other methods of AWACS operation—ones that rely on ELINT equipment, with the radar only providing additional reconnaissance of targets—but we don't have such aircraft.
                      3. DO
                        +1
                        5 August 2026 15: 07
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        So if the radar is turned off, it does not perform its function.

                        Any AWACS aircraft will turn off its radar upon detecting an attack on it.

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Quote: DO
                        Therefore, the answer to the question of which intelligence officer among those under discussion will be able to work closer to the LBS

                        Already given.

                        Would you mind providing a link to this answer?

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        AWACS has other operating modes, too - when the basis is ELINT equipment, and the radar only operates for additional reconnaissance of targets, but we don't have such aircraft.

                        The Stealth S-70 is ideal for frontline ELINT due to its low visibility.
                      4. +1
                        5 August 2026 16: 29
                        Quote: DO
                        Any AWACS aircraft will turn off its radar upon detecting an attack on it.

                        So try to get within attack distance of him...
                        Quote: DO
                        Would you mind providing a link to this answer?

                        This is a logical conclusion from the work of aviation on the LBS.
                        Quote: DO
                        The Stealth S-70 is ideal for frontline ELINT

                        Possibly. But we're talking about AWACS.
                      5. DO
                        +1
                        5 August 2026 17: 08
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        This is a logical conclusion from the work of aviation on the LBS.

                        However, the American company Northrop Grumman has developed a stealth reconnaissance UAV, the RQ-180, which also has an onboard radar:
                        https://topwar.ru/264954-strategicheskie-vysotnye-razvedchiki-ot-rq-4-global-hawk-i-wz-7-soaring-dragon-do-saetbyol-4-i-rq-180-white-bat.html
                        And the proposal to create an analogue of the RQ-180 reconnaissance aircraft based on the S-70 is not mine:
                        https://topwar.ru/269805-perspektivnyj-rossijskij-aviacionnyj-kompleks-dalnego-radiolokacionnogo-obnaruzhenija-vybor-platformy.html?ysclid=msg5d7i3xi258181171
                      6. 0
                        5 August 2026 17: 37
                        Quote: DO
                        However, the American company Northrop Grumman has developed a stealth reconnaissance UAV, the RQ-180, which also has an onboard radar:

                        True. However, this UAV is not positioned as either a replacement for AWACS or as a replacement for AWACS. The Americans plan to use it for reconnaissance purposes.
                      7. DO
                        +1
                        5 August 2026 18: 15
                        Andrey, judging by your posts, you're an educated, logical person. But it seems, in pursuit of your political preferences, which are opposed to my Russian ones (or perhaps in fulfilling your specific job?), you're playing the student who's fallen asleep during an exam and, instead of giving a substantive answer, is filling the awkward pause with all sorts of nonsense. AWACS isn't part of technical reconnaissance?
                        I think this conversation of ours has come to its logical conclusion.
                      8. 0
                        5 August 2026 18: 41
                        Quote: DO
                        You portray a student who has fallen asleep during an exam and instead of giving a substantive answer, fills the awkward pause with all sorts of nonsense.

                        I simply assume that the commentator "VO" has at least a minimal knowledge of the subject they're commenting on. You (no offense intended) don't have that knowledge, which is why my answers seem like nonsense to you.
                        The RQ-180's core mission is reconnaissance, designed to complement the capabilities of optical satellites and replace them in the event of a strike on the US satellite constellation as a tool for collecting intelligence at the operational-tactical level.
                        In addition, the RQ-180's functionality is closely linked to the Long Range Strike Bomber program: operating in conjunction with the B-21 Raider stealth intercontinental bomber, the UAV will be required to penetrate the so-called "A2/D2 denied access zones" and provide target designation to missile carriers (not only bombers, but also fifth-generation F-35 aircraft or guided missile ships).
                        This is reconnaissance. But it's not the functionality of an AWACS, whose purpose is, generally speaking, not reconnaissance, but rather control of air and ground space and the organization of air operations to destroy air and ground targets.
                        That is, the DrLO aircraft is not capable of performing the tasks of the RQ-180, but the opposite is also true.
                        You see, there are a lot of different reconnaissance missions. There's, for example, a reconnaissance platoon—it also does reconnaissance. But you wouldn't expect the RQ-180 to crawl on its belly through the forest and hide in ditches just because it's a reconnaissance aircraft, right? It's the same story with the DrLO.
                      9. DO
                        0
                        5 August 2026 20: 14
                        Andrey, it seems I greatly overestimated your ability to think logically. Here are two of your paragraphs.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        The RQ-180's functionality is closely linked to the Long Range Strike Bomber program: operating in conjunction with the stealthy intercontinental bomber B-21 Raider, the UAV will be required to penetrate the so-called "A2/D2 no-access zones" and provide target designation to missile carriers (not only bombers, but also fifth-generation F-35 aircraft or guided missile ships).

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        AWACS functionality, the purpose of which is, generally speaking, not reconnaissance, but control of air and ground space and the organization of air operations to destroy air and ground targets.

                        What do they have in common? Almost everything.
                        An aircraft uses its onboard equipment to detect targets and determine their characteristics. Decision-makers process this information and issue orders to strike aircraft crews.
                        So, what is your conclusion?
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        That is, the DrLO aircraft is not capable of performing the tasks of the RQ-180, but the opposite is also true.

                        It's absurdly categorical. Because the main difference between the RQ-180 and a classic AWACS aircraft is that the information from the RQ-180's technical equipment is processed for decision-making purposes by people on the ground or in another aircraft, while in an AWACS aircraft, those same people are on board.
                        ===
                        Frankly, the word game you've started is boring. Play it with your American grandchildren, if you have any.
                        Be healthy.
                      10. +1
                        5 August 2026 21: 15
                        Quote: DO
                        What do they have in common? Almost everything.

                        Absolutely nothing. The drone enters the A2AD stealthily and quietly glides to the strike site, where it carefully illuminates the target, pinpointing its location and relays the information to the B2. It's needed to operate in areas where the DrLO can't reach.
                        Its radar is designed for reconnaissance of ground targets, its task being target designation. The drone is not designed for airspace control. AWACS can perform drone functions where air superiority is possible, but generally, the B-2 operates outside this zone, where enemy air defenses dominate and where AWACS and fighters simply cannot reach.
                        Simply put, if a target needs to be hit 500 km from a base station, an AWACS can do it: a large air group with a pair of AWACS will penetrate enemy airspace. The AWACS will detect the fighters scrambled to intercept and, controlling the assigned air-clearance groups, repel their attacks. The AWACS will then illuminate the target, and it will be destroyed. In this scenario, the RQ-180 cannot replace the AWACS; its radar is too weak to monitor airspace, nor can it control combat.
                        But if a target needs to be hit 3,000 km from the LBS, the AWACS won't be able to reach it because the fighters escorting it won't reach it. That's the job of the RQ-180 and B-2 Spirit. The RQ-180 will fly stealthily to the target, acquire its target with its synthetic aperture radar, and provide the bomber with targeting guidance.
                        Quote: DO
                        Frankly speaking, the word game you started is a boring activity.

                        Consider this my last attempt to explain to you how it works. You are free to remain delusional; we live in a free country. wink
                      11. DO
                        0
                        5 August 2026 22: 31
                        Andrey, I will answer anyway.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        If it is necessary to hit a target 500 km from the LBS, this can be done by the AWACS - a large air group with a pair of AWACS will break into enemy airspace, the AWACS will detect the fighters raised to intercept, and, controlling the air clearing groups assigned to it, will repel their attacks, then the AWACS will illuminate the target and it will be destroyed.

                        Let's imagine a fantastical scenario where the "large American air group with a pair of AWACS" you described penetrates 500 km into the Ukrainian Armed Forces' rear through the LBS. These are full-size aircraft, although some are stealthy. However, they aren't Gerbers or Geranis; from certain angles, they are clearly visible on radar. How many of them will return? Not many, and perhaps none at all. The same would be true for a similar attack on the Russian side. In other words, no one in their right mind would attempt to penetrate the enemy's rear with an air defense system built and trained over four and a half years. The Americans' exploits in Iran don't prove otherwise, as today's Iranian air defenses can't yet be compared to those of Russia and Ukraine. Moreover, the Americans have already lost aircraft during their exploits in the Middle East.
                        Therefore, when it comes to the SVO zone, we can only predict which aircraft will be able to operate the radar from the Russian side closer to the LBS—the Su-35 or the S-70. Regarding the A-50, an answer has already been received.
                      12. +1
                        6 August 2026 07: 19
                        Quote: DO
                        Let's imagine a fantastic situation where the American "large air group with a pair of AWACS" you mentioned on the Russian side breaks through the LBS into the rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces by 500 km.

                        Unfortunately, this is not a fantastic situation at all.
                        Quote: DO
                        That is, no one in their right mind would break into the enemy's rear like this today with an air defense system built and trained over 4,5 years.

                        They will. I'll tell you more: the Americans will destroy this air defense system. Yes, not without losses, but quickly enough.
                        The US has always relied on air power, and when we demonstrated air defense based on SAMs in Vietnam, the Americans began to learn how to counter them. And they learned, albeit at considerable cost.
                        As a result, when the US encountered thirty-year-old Iraqi air defense systems in Desert Storm, they destroyed Iraqi air defenses within the first day of combat and established air superiority. When our Aerospace Forces encountered thirty-year-old Ukrainian air defense systems, a few days later, having suffered significant losses, our forces ceased entering Ukrainian airspace. I wrote in more detail about why this happened here.
                        https://topwar.ru/225946-vozmozhno-vazhnejshij-urok-svo.html
                        In general, do not perceive what is happening in the air today in the SVO as an example of modern warfare.
                      13. DO
                        -2
                        6 August 2026 10: 01
                        The Americans will destroy this air defense system

                        Why then has Russian air defense in the SVO zone been alive and well for five years, while F-16s, instead of doing whatever they please over Russian positions, are being shot down by Russian air defense over Ukrainian Armed Forces territory?
                        Why can't American air power do anything against Iran and unblock the Strait of Hormuz? To the point that Trump, out of desperation, is seriously discussing the use of nuclear weapons against Iran with his military?
                        The ideas you have presented are outdated and do not stand up to comparison with today's facts.

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Quote: DO
                        Let's imagine a fantastic situation where the American "large air group with a pair of AWACS" you mentioned on the Russian side breaks through the LBS into the rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces by 500 km.

                        Unfortunately, this is not a fantastic situation at all.

                        It's funny. For five years now, the US has been supporting the Ukrainian Armed Forces politically, with weapons, finances, satellite, radar, and other intelligence data, Starlink communications, its "vacationers," planning and commanding military operations, and so on. And they're suddenly going to go crazy and start bombing the interests of American capital in Ukraine, their "vacationers" and mercenaries, destroying their weapons, and then have American specialists from the American Patriots fire on them? :)))
                        You're trolling me. And feeding trolls is a thankless task.
                        The conversation is over.
                      14. +2
                        6 August 2026 12: 40
                        Quote: DO
                        Why then has Russian air defense in the SVO zone been alive and well for five years, while F-16s, instead of doing whatever they please over Russian positions, are being shot down by Russian air defense over Ukrainian Armed Forces territory?

                        Because the Ukrainian Armed Forces also lack the equipment and skills to combat air defenses. This requires specialized equipment, such as reconnaissance aircraft, electronic intelligence, and electronic warfare. And yes, we practically don't have any of these, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces don't have them at all. And conventional fighters—whether the F-16 or the F-35—can't defeat air defenses on their own; it's a highly complex task that requires a complex combination of forces and assets.
                        Quote: DO
                        Why can't American air power do anything about Iran and unblock the Strait of Hormuz?

                        Because you are again confusing two different things: Iran and Iran’s air defense.
                        Iran's air defenses were instantly overwhelmed by Israel and the US; they were no match for dozens, even hundreds, of aircraft flying over Iran. The Iranians only managed to shoot down isolated UAVs, and their successes against fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
                        The US suppressed Iran's air defenses. But they failed to suppress Iran itself, and couldn't have. Wars aren't won with air power alone. In Desert Storm, the US and its allies deployed, if I remember correctly, 2500 aircraft or more. And even then, a ground operation was necessary. What Trump was planning to achieve in Iran, which is four times larger than Iraq with three hundred aircraft, is beyond me. These aren't the forces that could force Iran to lay down its arms.
                        Quote: DO
                        It's funny. For five years now, the US has been supporting the Ukrainian Armed Forces politically, with weapons, finances, satellite, radar, and other intelligence data, Starlink communications, its "vacationers," planning and commanding military operations, and so on. And they're suddenly going to go crazy and start bombing the interests of American capital in Ukraine, their "vacationers" and mercenaries, destroying their weapons, and then have American specialists from the American Patriots fire on them? :)))

                        Excuse me, what did I just read? :))))))) The US will destroy OUR air defense system, not Ukraine's. And they will. And they would destroy Ukraine's if they suddenly needed to for some reason.
                      15. 0
                        5 August 2026 17: 38
                        Quote: DO
                        And the proposal to create an analogue of the RQ-180 reconnaissance aircraft based on the S-70 is not mine:

                        Mitrofanovshchina:)))))
    3. DO
      +2
      4 August 2026 19: 11
      Quote: also a doctor
      We can set up micro-airfields on our territory even 50 km apart from each other.

      If in a given region of Russia it is possible to "scatter" air defense installations "even 50 km apart," it is simpler and cheaper to use suspended aerostats.
      AWACS UAVs are needed primarily in the sparsely populated northern regions of Russia, where existing air bases will have to be used whenever possible.
  12. 0
    4 August 2026 07: 37
    What's stopping them from launching the Tu-154M as an AWACS aircraft, and the Civil Air Fleet will easily accept it? am
    1. +2
      4 August 2026 19: 32
      The lack of aircraft with sufficient flight life, the lack of tooling for manufacturing new ones, the lack of a sufficient number of units for repairs, and the complete lack of prospects for this in principle.
      There's a Tu-204/214, bury the flight attendant already...
  13. +8
    4 August 2026 07: 40
    Hasn't the market solved this? Why, no matter what, are there delays or shifts to the right all around? Zero accountability, only lining their pockets and blaming the state and the people. How long has United Russia been ruling the Duma, where laws call for the complete confiscation or ban of any state activity in the country if real estate, money, or children are abroad, not to mention other citizenships, including family. Studying and living abroad should also become a barrier to a career in government or parliament. Now they'll drag in SVO members for the elections, then the same people who now work only for themselves, forgetting about the people and the country, will be elected. Otherwise, everything is fine, just like the classics – they steal. I'll add – it's like they're beside themselves. The last time it all ended in 17. And it didn't start with the Aurora, but with the overthrow of the comprador thieving elite in February. How is the situation now any different from a century ago?
    1. -17
      4 August 2026 08: 00
      Could you be a little more specific about the instances of "stealing like crazy" you know about? And also: why should children who choose to live abroad become an obstacle to their parents' government activities? Like, they raised them poorly?
      1. 0
        4 August 2026 14: 46
        It's like you don't read the internet.


        This text is short, but: cramped for words, spacious for thoughts.
        1. -2
          5 August 2026 08: 16
          Well, why not? I read, like everyone else. I just reserve the right to think and distrust all that nonsense. Unlike you...
    2. +2
      4 August 2026 19: 35
      Because if you don't steal, but simply do nothing, rent and sabotage any work on microelectronics/weapons/aircraft/whatever—then NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. The main thing is to hide behind patriotic slogans at the right time, and promise, promise, promise...
  14. -8
    4 August 2026 07: 53
    Everyone keeps saying "we need to, we need to", but no one can clearly say "how?"
    1. +2
      4 August 2026 14: 47
      You can't say "how"; you have to do it. The goal is to squeeze money out of the budget without actually doing anything.
      1. -1
        5 August 2026 08: 14
        Is this the task you set for yourself? I wonder.
  15. +1
    4 August 2026 08: 57
    You need to use what you have as a base: the Il-114, the Superjet, and, as a last resort, try drones, such as the Okhotnik.
    1. 0
      8 August 2026 15: 18
      Were you into science fiction as a kid? It smells a lot like that. The hunter raked in the taxpayers' money, then stopped hunting, and quietly lived out his days under the fence.
  16. +6
    4 August 2026 08: 59
    Upgrading the A-50 to the A-50U is quick and easy: the airframe is proven, the infrastructure is in place, and the people are trained.


    Well... let's put it this way: the airframe of an AWACS aircraft is a completely secondary matter. It's primarily about the equipment. What do we have on it?
    Vega Concern, which is building the complex itself, is vacating its premises (the building has been sold to Sber) and moving in the coming months. The move, they say, will likely involve at least two fires. So, the availability of the test rig infrastructure is VERY questionable.
    Do you think older workers of retirement age are eager to move to a new, remote location? I'll let you in on a secret: even those who haven't reached retirement age yet aren't eager, so trained people are out of the picture too. And there aren't that many of them left anyway—read the employee reviews.

    Well, and finally, a little more history to confirm my words-
    The last aircraft upgraded was 2.5 years ago, in February 24. Before that, it was more or less every year. It recently got to the point where they even tried to pass off a refurbished aircraft as upgraded. I don't know if it was a coincidence or not, but something as trivial as a repair used to be unheard of in the news... and now they have to. There are persistent rumors about the A-100 being shut down, and the last news about flights was in 24 (which raises suspicions that these weren't tests, but rather that it was being ferried away from Taganrog).

    Conclusions... well, everything is fine with the patriots and so on... oh, yeah - we will defeat everyone.
    1. 0
      4 August 2026 10: 48
      They could have given the project to Almaz-Antey 15 years ago; they say they know how to make radars...
      1. +4
        4 August 2026 11: 39
        What project? A100? Almaz-Antey started working on it, and then handed it over to Vega, back in the 2000s.
        1. 0
          4 August 2026 11: 52
          They should have given it back and made them finish it. They can fit an S-400 into a ship, but they don't want a radar and control center in an airplane. So, it's wasted money and time, and the result is zero.
          1. +1
            4 August 2026 12: 07
            Well, let's start with the question: who would willingly hand over a project with funding? Especially 15 years ago, when things were still going quite well both in the country and globally.
            So why zero? They built one plane for testing. The problem is, later on, some insurmountable difficulties arose—either with personnel or technical issues, or most likely both.
            Besides, a ground-based radar and an airborne one are two very different things. Well, at least in terms of power supply and, consequently, the hardware components. So, yeah... fitting an S-400 into a ship and an aircraft is not the same thing.
            1. +1
              4 August 2026 12: 16
              One side was made for testing.
              As far as I remember, it flew in parades, so there's no doubt our Il-2s can do it. But what's with the radar is a mystery.
              Well, at least in terms of power supply, and accordingly the element base.
              I think this problem is solvable. Saddam Hussein, when necessary, built a collective farm for AWACS, but we have everything in the wrong place, the Tu-214R is just sitting there rusting.
              1. +2
                4 August 2026 12: 32
                I think this problem is solvable.

                Of course it can be solved, but personnel, personnel...
                1. +1
                  4 August 2026 13: 29
                  We have a problem with management personnel; universities and schools produce more than capable staff. But the Manturovs and Chemezovs appoint the worst ones to lead them.
          2. +2
            4 August 2026 19: 41
            Just don't talk about ships...
            And about “Zaslon” Anteevsky....
            Read Klimov here, there are materials about naval air defense.
            This is first...
            And secondly, the requirements for the mass, size, and energy characteristics of aircraft radar weapons are much more stringent than all others, both naval and ground-based...
            Otherwise, we'll have to convert the Ruslan into an AWACS... although we don't build them anymore either.
            1. 0
              4 August 2026 19: 57
              Just don't talk about ships...
              And about “Zaslon” Anteevsky....
              Read Klimov here, there are materials about naval air defense.
              This is definitely better than what is currently flying on the A-50U.
              And secondly, the requirements for the mass, size, and energy characteristics of aircraft radar weapons are much more stringent than all others, both naval and ground-based...
              Otherwise, we'll have to convert the Ruslan into an AWACS... although we don't build them anymore either.
              Yes, I have some doubts; no one is dragging a ten-megawatt diesel power plant to the same radars.

              Somehow they put radars on fighters, but to stuff an AESA panel five times larger on an Il-76 - that's it, Vega has paws, Antaeus has no desire request
              1. +1
                5 August 2026 12: 26
                Perhaps the issue is not only about detecting the target, but also about transmitting this information in real time to the air defense command post and ensuring integration with the existing automated control systems?
                1. +2
                  5 August 2026 12: 57
                  We should have learned to do this over our own territory long ago. But, of course, we all know where the person responsible for communications in the army is now.
              2. +2
                5 August 2026 18: 07
                Ага.
                This is probably why, for example, the S-300 includes a mobile diesel power plant weighing only 14 tons and with a capacity of up to 180 kilowatts...
                1. 0
                  5 August 2026 19: 11
                  Besides the radar and command post, there's a lot more there that's unnecessary on an airplane. Furthermore, a 150 kW generator weighs about an order of magnitude less and wouldn't add much weight to the airplane. And furthermore, these aren't megawatts, which are difficult for an airplane to generate, but a couple hundred kW, which isn't much for a four-engine aircraft.
    2. +3
      4 August 2026 16: 24
      According to the fighter bomber, the A-100 project has long been closed. This hasn't been officially confirmed.
  17. 0
    4 August 2026 09: 03
    We should have thought about this forty years ago. I understand, times were tough, there was no money, but the prototypes were ready to be perfected. So that, when the opportunity arose, they could be put into production.
  18. 2al
    +2
    4 August 2026 09: 13
    A solution already exists: a constellation of small satellites (200-300 kg CubeSATs) for remote sensing in low orbit. This has proven to be cheaper than the AWACS program and will provide a comprehensive solution for reconnaissance and target acquisition. In low orbits of 250-300 km, radiation-hardened electronics are not required, and satellites with GaN-based AFAR and SAR support, or with multispectral optics, or with passive SAR can be manufactured and launched into orbit by the hundreds per year.
    1. +1
      4 August 2026 15: 32
      Quote: 2al
      Satellites with AFAR on GaN and with SAR support or with multispectral optics or with passive SAR can be manufactured and launched into orbit in hundreds per year.

      Yes, you can. But why? (c) That's why they weren't made, and they weren't developed in this oil and gas paradigm...
    2. +1
      5 August 2026 04: 00
      Quote: 2al
      A solution already exists: a constellation of small satellites (200-300 kg CubeSATs) for remote sensing in low orbit. This has proven to be cheaper than the AWACS program and will provide a comprehensive solution for reconnaissance and target acquisition. In low orbits of 250-300 km, radiation-hardened electronics are not required, and satellites with GaN-based AFAR and SAR support, or with multispectral optics, or with passive SAR can be manufactured and launched into orbit by the hundreds per year.


      Considering that we have only just begun to deploy low-orbit communication satellites, all this seems like science fiction.
  19. +7
    4 August 2026 09: 18
    Western aircraft were built on production, proven civilian aircraft, while our candidates—the Tu-214, MS-21, and Il-114-300—are themselves mired in sanctions over composites and avionics, and there's no large-scale production run yet. A military version would have to be developed and certified separately, and on top of a civilian aircraft that hasn't even reached stable production yet.

    I wonder if the aircraft won't fly without certification? Does certification increase lift? Thrust-to-weight ratio? Does it make engines more reliable and fuel-efficient? It's a good thing the La-5, for example, didn't need to be certified during WWII, otherwise they would have managed it by the end of 1945. Especially if the approach had been modern.
    There's a customer, the Ministry of Defense. They have requirements. If everything suits them, the civil defense will go into production. This isn't a civilian aircraft, after all. How will we certify it? According to international standards and with the help of foreign specialized companies? Perhaps we'll also add it to international registries? And then the question: Why is it taking so long to build this plane?
    1. +2
      4 August 2026 13: 26
      Long-term certification is required for passenger aircraft. And there's some merit to it.
  20. +5
    4 August 2026 09: 20
    We've already discussed AESA balloons, cheap and effective. Even Poland buys them from Trump and controls their airspace.
  21. 0
    4 August 2026 10: 17
    Quote: squid
    The problem is solved by a multitude of long-term active aerial observation points—radar and other things. In today's reality, these include heavy UAVs, airships, and aerostats.

    What's wrong with AWACS? Unlike aerostats, it can move, and heavy UAVs can't yet carry that kind of payload.
    1. +2
      4 August 2026 20: 56
      When the A50 was built in the early 80s, computers were the size of trolleybuses, and people had to go to call booths to call relatives. Do you feel the difference now compared to 2026?
    2. +4
      5 August 2026 03: 58
      Quote: Schneeberg

      What's wrong with AWACS? Unlike aerostats, it can move, and heavy UAVs can't yet carry that kind of payload.


      The fact is that they don't exist, and it's simply impossible to produce them in sufficient quantities. The very concept of heavy AWACS aircraft is outdated. To protect against UAVs, 24/7 monitoring of the entire border area (and not just with Ukraine), the outskirts of cities, and significant facilities is required. And without any holes—otherwise, American satellite reconnaissance will map them and plot UAV routes. In short, we need to monitor the airspace at extremely low altitudes across the entire European part of the country. AWACS aircraft and even heavy UAVs simply can't handle that.
  22. +1
    4 August 2026 10: 33
    Modernizing the A-50 into the A-50U won't work—they simply don't have the aircraft. Well, maybe they'll find one. As for the A-100, it was held hostage by pre-war sanctions. Then the sanctions became pervasive. Currently, two aircraft are being developed. I don't know what they're trying to replace the imported ones with, but things are clearly not going well. And the developer is clearly not in top form—they're burning through cash and not delivering the product. The A-100's price tag is stratospheric, something like 20 billion per aircraft, but that's not even the issue—there's simply no product available. Apparently, the solution is to finish the A-100, even if it's just two aircraft, and then start a new one—a manned version based on the Tu-214 (the MS-21 won't do, its patrol time is too short) and an unmanned version based on high-altitude UAVs. But it needs to be done.
    1. +1
      4 August 2026 12: 21
      It won't be possible to upgrade the A-50 to the A-50U—they simply don't have the aircraft. Maybe they'll find one.

      Partially, yes. But that's not the main point—remember how the Ukrainians posted a video online of two decommissioned A-50s in Ivanovo? Well, there used to be about nine of them there. If they wanted, they'd find something to modernize.

      As for the A-100, it became a hostage of pre-war sanctions.

      It's utter nonsense to justify a delay under a "plausible" pretext. Even now, Western weapons are being purchased without a care – the same Ukrainians are compiling lists of everything foreign they find in the wreckage of missiles and drones. I doubt that an AWACS aircraft requires a larger procurement volume than the number of weapons currently being launched against Ukraine.

      Currently, 2 sides are being finalized.

      One
      1. 0
        7 August 2026 14: 18
        Regarding the pre-war sanctions, I meant that some electronics became unavailable, and import substitution is impossible—especially given the poor state of affairs at the Vega concern. Why do you think it's just one aircraft? One is already flying tests, and the other is being assembled in Taganrog, I think?
        1. 0
          7 August 2026 15: 06
          Regarding the pre-war sanctions, I meant that some electronics became unavailable, and it was impossible to import them.

          What's become unavailable? All the ERIs are being purchased just fine, albeit at a higher price, with dozens of misplaced parts, and with the markings knocked off, but they're being purchased. Take Solovyov's Italian villa—that one, yes, has become unavailable to its owner.
          A purely logical question: if import substitution failed, then what were they testing in 22?

          Why do you think it's just one plane? One is already flying for tests, and the other is in Taganrog, I think, being assembled?

          Well, because it was the only one built for testing. And even that one hasn't flown in a long time. Of course, one could mistake the LL that burned up in Taganrog for the second plane, but its purpose was to test certain systems.
  23. +5
    4 August 2026 12: 07
    We send our warmest greetings to all those people who shouted (and are still shouting) that we don’t need to produce everything ourselves – we can buy from others!
  24. +1
    4 August 2026 12: 13
    In general, while the AWACS issue remains unresolved, if I were our leadership, I would have long ago adapted the existing systems, with minimal modifications, to balloons or airships! Basically, we'd take the radars for existing systems (S-300, 400, BUK, etc.), launch them on an airship, and scan the area from there. If a radar is hit, we'll launch a new one (the crews remain unharmed). We'd create a kind of radar wall along the entire border thanks to the greater coverage provided by their altitude.
  25. +3
    4 August 2026 13: 34
    Airplanes are needed, no doubt about it. But they're needed now. Therefore, the only way to quickly resolve this issue is by producing airships and adapting them for radar. NATO countries are also developing them for this purpose, and Israel is already using them (their airship is pictured).
    1. +2
      5 August 2026 03: 52
      Quote: Evgeny_Sviridenko
      Airplanes are needed, no doubt about it. But they're needed now. Therefore, the only way to quickly resolve this issue is by producing airships and adapting them for radar. NATO countries are also developing them for this purpose, and Israel is already using them (their airship is pictured).


      An airship is a bit complicated for today's Russia. It involves engines, power systems, a control system, and so on. That also takes years to develop. A tethered aerostat powered by a wire from the ground (which doesn't weigh much—just a few hundred kilograms) is simpler. A ton of technical complexities are immediately removed, and all that's left is the radar.
  26. +4
    4 August 2026 13: 37
    What's stopping you from launching a radar aerostat in the rear regions? I'm no expert, of course, but there's no need to launch aircraft that are in short supply.
    1. +2
      4 August 2026 13: 48
      Probably "Faberge" is in the way... And restaurants, restaurants... Everything has been developed in essence for a long time: "Gepard" is a Russian tethered aerostat complex (TAC), developed by the company "RosAeroSystems" ("Augur"). Purpose and capabilities - Reconnaissance and communications: holding surveillance equipment, radio communications and radar control. Lifting altitude: up to 2,000 meters. Payload capacity: payload weighing from 100 to 300 kg. Autonomy: continuous operation at altitude for two weeks or more. Specifications: Shell volume: about 1,200-1,250 cubic meters. Length of the device: about 30 meters. Control type: unmanned automatic platform tethered to a ground winch. Tests: successfully completed in December 2009 at the testing ground in Volsk.
  27. +2
    4 August 2026 13: 44
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Why not put a pair of antennas on the TU214?

    Just a little - no Tu-214 😂
    1. Egg
      0
      8 August 2026 23: 40
      Quote from Scientist
      The least bit - there is no Tu-214

      No Il-76s either? I see them parked at every airport.
      And what about the airborne troops? Airborne troops have essentially outlived their usefulness, but the aircraft are probably still around.
      At worst, it’s impossible to buy something from China for the time being while their own are being developed?
      Or does pride for the country prevent you?
  28. DO
    +3
    4 August 2026 14: 43
    Western production of long-range drones and cruise missiles is noticeably accelerating. Hundreds of drones are flying into Russia every day. Almost every day, oil refineries and warehouses are burning, military factories are damaged, and people are killed.
    Therefore, the factor that has come to the forefront for Russians today is time creation of effective air defense, in particular the radar systems discussed here for detecting low-flying, stealthy targets.
    Experience shows that producing the classic A-50 AWACS aircraft, not to mention the A-100 or using civilian airliners, will take years. During this time, the enemy will completely destroy our infrastructure. Therefore, it's important to discuss relatively rapid ways to create radar-elevating systems. These include tethered balloons and AWACS-equipped UAVs.
    Tethered aerostats have two main advantages: they don't waste fuel hovering, and a fiber-optic communication channel is used to transmit radar data to the ground. The main disadvantage is the need for personnel to maintain the ground equipment and to land the aerostat in strong winds. This disadvantage isn't critical for the relatively densely populated southern and western regions of Russia, but it poses a significant problem for the sparsely populated northern territories along the Northern Sea Route.
    The use of AWACS UAVs is practical in sparsely populated areas of Russia, as well as a means of quickly replacing tethered aerostats that have failed or been damaged by the enemy. For the deep rear, far removed from active combat, the use of loitering UAVs is obvious, such as the Altius (perhaps its development could be transferred from UZGA, overloaded with civilian orders, to a design bureau, such as MiG) or the Sirius (which has two engines, providing better power and payload capacity than the Orion/Inohodets).
    A practical challenge is the high-altitude radar itself. Detecting low-flying, stealthy aerial targets requires an active phased array (AESA) radar. Information on the serial production of such radars optimized for tethered balloons and UAVs is lacking in open sources. Therefore, due to time constraints, it may be necessary to consider using the main circular antennas and equipment from the serial Belka AESA radar of the Su-57 fighter. Optimal radars, possibly with a gallium nitride antenna array, will be developed in parallel.
    For example, two serial round AESA antennas can be placed under the wings on the outside of the UAV carrier engines.
  29. 0
    4 August 2026 18: 29
    Actually, this is the key point. Stalin would have taken off many heads for failing to meet plans to mass-produce such equipment.
  30. +3
    4 August 2026 20: 02
    There's no time to dream about the A100, satellite constellations, redesigning old and unbuilt aircraft, and so on. Our civilians are dying every day, here and now, while Europe is increasing production and deliveries to Ukraine. Remember how they started making barbecue grills to protect equipment and the lives of soldiers? And it wasn't industry, research institutes, or government officials who did it, but ordinary soldiers using whatever was at hand. Tethered aerostats with low-cost radars and thermal imagers purchased from our eastern neighbor should become such a tool for AWACS. Active phased array radars are good, but we need to be realistic. The aerostats will need to be integrated into an automated control system using mobile, ground, radio relay, and other networks. The production of active phased array radars and other complex electronics should be established at Federal Penitentiary Service facilities. But who will do all this? Old men who are only capable of blabbering at conferences, meetings, exhibitions, and so on?
    1. 0
      5 August 2026 12: 31
      Establish the production of AFAR in FSIN institutions....
      This is not even funny ....
      1. +1
        5 August 2026 20: 06
        There are about 300,000 prisoners in Russia. I don't know what education, specialty category, or work experience you have, but I'm sure many prisoners have much more. When a programmer, scientist, engineer, or sixth-grade lathe operator is sewing slippers, that's mismanagement. These people could be offered such incentives that they'd move mountains. P.S. Yes, and you, too, don't say never.
        1. 0
          5 August 2026 21: 22
          I've never heard a more insane idea 🤣🤣🤣
          There aren't enough normal sewing machines for everyone there...
          By the way, the MLS sews not only slippers, but also most of the uniforms for law enforcement agencies and other special clothing...
          Only the quality of this leaves much to be desired... I'm not even talking about more complex products...
          Factories: workshops, equipment for producing all this in the MLS will appear out of thin air?
          I don't know if you could have finished school and gotten a degree with that kind of knowledge—most likely not—but you have a chance of learning to sew. But you can't learn to assemble electronics.
          1. +1
            6 August 2026 20: 35
            I don't want to spam, so this is my last message on this topic. You criticize a lot here, but offer nothing. Do offer some, and we'll objectively evaluate your thoughts, if you have any. By your logic, was I.V. Stalin stupid when he created the "sharashkas"? I've spent my entire life designing and assembling electronics, but maybe someday I'll learn to sew.
  31. 0
    4 August 2026 22: 22
    Well, where is the answer to the question?
    Why does Russia understand the AWACS mission but not have a fleet for it?
    ?
    1. -1
      7 August 2026 21: 37
      Because there's no electronic database for these aircraft, it's certainly nice to read "experts" claiming they've cobbled together an AWACS from the Su-35's radar. But in reality, the electronics are a disaster... not a complete disaster, but a complete disaster. So, even updating the Il-76 is no trivial task.
      And when there is no filling, then what else can we talk about?
  32. +4
    5 August 2026 02: 18
    The need for a multilayered AWACS system in Russia is recognized and confirmed by experience. However, it is supported by a limited fleet of heavy aircraft based on Soviet airframes, the protracted A-100 program, and medium- and unmanned concepts that never reached production. The strategic objective is being carried out using temporary supports. Over the years, the operation has come no closer to a solution: they still want more of what they need than is operational.

    The AWACS program with a crew on board is outdated, so Russia has no desire to develop them. AWACS based on UAVs is clearly the next step in this direction. AWACS aircraft are slow, unwieldy, and require a significant number of highly qualified specialists on board. This makes them an attractive target. It's likely that a variety of UAV-based AWACS will soon appear, with the technical specialists based on the ground or underground.
  33. +2
    5 August 2026 03: 13
    Quote: Puncher
    Do you think a communication antenna on a balloon will look unsightly?


    Why do you need a communication antenna if you have a ground wire? DSL was delivering megabits even over phone lines 20 years ago.
    1. DO
      0
      5 August 2026 16: 33
      Tethered balloons use fiber optics to communicate with the ground.
  34. +2
    5 August 2026 03: 38
    Quote from: spyder100
    Point by point:
    1. "Modern data transmission means allow..." - a slogan about a spherical horse in a vacuum. Let me remind you that we don't have Starlink yet, and what we have doesn't allow anything like that yet.
    2. Russia doesn't have any heavy-duty UAVs with powerful radars for surveillance and detection of aerial targets, not even in prototype form. Given the size and weight of domestically produced equipment, it would likely be the IL-76 unmanned aircraft.
    3. The fact that a Chinese "civilian" radar sees something there is of no use; this information must be somehow processed and transmitted to the air defense system. The issue of interfacing various equipment is often no less complex than the creation of this equipment.
    4. In unfavorable weather, or rather, in strong winds, this entire airship-aerostatic “armada” lands and cannot be used.
    In general, we have no alternative to AWACS aircraft, unless we fantasize.


    1. These modern transmission devices are now in every schoolchild's pocket. A regular phone can transmit tens of megabits over distances of up to 20 km. There's absolutely no problem transmitting radar data over YOUR territory anywhere. And the need for "airborne command posts" has long been obsolete.
    2. It is precisely because the development of heavy aerodynamic aircraft takes years that balloons were proposed.
    3. See point 1. Transmitting information is no problem. If the military can't receive it, let them do their best. Or remove the Russian Armed Forces from the scheme altogether and hand it over to private contractors. Within a month, they'll learn to exchange data and launch UAV interceptors based on signals from the airborne radar network. Today's Russian IT integrators are successfully solving much more complex problems.
    4. Of course, a hurricane will force the balloons to ground temporarily. But only in a limited area. The low cost and widespread use of the balloons will allow them to cover a significant portion of the European part of the country, so localized shutdowns will have a limited effect. Incidentally, the elongated, torpedo-shaped balloon with its tethered system is quite wind-resistant – according to some reports, it only requires launching in winds stronger than 20-25 m/s, which happens very rarely.

    Quote from: spyder100
    In general, we have no alternative to AWACS aircraft, unless we fantasize.

    Unfortunately, we don't even have airborne drones, to put it mildly. And we won't have them in sufficient numbers in the foreseeable future. That's where ersatz designs come from.
  35. +2
    5 August 2026 03: 48
    Quote: Totor5
    We need a small, mass-produced AWACS like the Grumman E-2 Hawkeye. NATO has hundreds of them.
    They are currently putting the new propeller-driven Il-114-300 into production - I think I could work with it.


    These are outdated pre-war concepts. Nowadays, only UAVs of various types (both aerodynamic and aerostatic) are available.
    1. 0
      8 August 2026 06: 43
      The Americans have a lot of reconnaissance UAVs. And how many have the Persians shot down already? They're certainly necessary, but they're just a supplement.
  36. exo
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    5 August 2026 16: 32
    If the USSR hadn't collapsed, we'd likely have the An-71 and Yak-144 for carriers. They're not as big as the A-50 and perhaps more widely available. We could at least scale up production of the Ka-31 helicopter now. We don't have the basis for an aircraft with an active phased array radar yet. The Il-114 is still in its infancy. Superjets aren't in production. The Superjet NEW isn't in production yet either. Perhaps a reconnaissance aircraft based on the Tu-204 could be further developed.
  37. +1
    7 August 2026 11: 39
    Because thieves are everywhere and only a few are imprisoned, but we need to shoot according to the laws of wartime! A ruler must have decisiveness.
  38. -1
    7 August 2026 20: 04
    Do you think the Kremlin Forest will give development to this aircraft?????
    Have you seen the fig?
    In Šiauliai, at a military airfield, I was about 8 years old then, the guys and I were climbing around this plane, a development of that time)
    That's it.
    I sat in MIGs and helicopters.
    But I never wanted to become a pilot - I loved yachts, the sea and ships, well, that's just by the way.
    Who will they fight with? With their masters?
    Aha
  39. -1
    8 August 2026 06: 41
    Yes, uh... When all the competencies were lost, our military realized the need for AVACS...
    Any armchair warrior has always realized this; just look at the US and Israeli air operations. But our academies, in the fifth year of the war... well, we've just realized that one wall in the barn is missing. I wonder when they'll realize the absence of electronic warfare aircraft? Do we need two academies and ten years of war?
  40. 0
    8 August 2026 12: 48
    Quote: Puncher
    Mmm... Another article in the "WE NEED..." series. Of course, there's a great need. But the author himself concludes that there aren't enough resources. So, the morning begins with news of arrivals; it's become routine.

    Why are there no resources?
    In a country where a new fifty billionaires have emerged, where the "tall greens" have villas and garages worth billions of rubles, where curbs are repaved every year, etc.
  41. -1
    8 August 2026 15: 06
    The A100 project stalled completely about 10 years ago. What was going on there, and most importantly, why, in 2022, we'll never know. The world has long since moved on from the mushroom-shaped rooftop. Resuming production of 1970s-style products (perhaps with slightly updated internals) is five steps backward.
  42. 0
    8 August 2026 15: 38
    Quote: Totor5
    We need a small, mass-produced AWACS like the Grumman E-2 Hawkeye. NATO has hundreds of them.
    They are currently putting the new propeller-driven Il-114-300 into production - I think I could work with it.

    Are you not aware that the Il-114, with a full payload (6.5 tons), flies for no more than 3 hours? It should fly for 6.5-8 hours. And have you heard about the service life of that hyper-crude engine (the one that killed the Il-112 crew)? This aircraft will definitely not be mass-produced. It would be good if they built 15-20 of them. And 75% of them would fly, not sit idle, as over 50% of all spare parts currently sit.
  43. 0
    9 August 2026 01: 53
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And at the very least, everyone who can should participate in the AWACS competition, not Taganrog alone.

    Do you know anyone else on this side of the border? They've been the only ones doing this for the last ten years.
  44. 0
    9 August 2026 11: 03
    Quote: Telur

    There is no IL 76 either?

    Do they have spare parts and consumables? The ones you see parked in the parking lots have long since been gutted to make parts for the existing ones.
    Quote: Telur

    At worst, it’s impossible to buy something from China for the time being while their own are being developed?

    China doesn't have its own. The West stopped supplying them with engines, and that's when airliner production in China ended.
    Quote: Telur

    Or does pride for the country prevent you?

    By 2022, two dozen Armatas and six hundred Auruses had been produced. The ruling class's priorities are clear.
  45. Egg
    0
    Yesterday, 00: 37
    Quote from Scientist
    Do they have spare parts and consumables? The ones you see parked in the parking lots have long since been gutted to make parts for the existing ones.

    So, there are some operational ones? Just recently, air defense systems, personnel, and equipment were actively deployed to Syria by plane, which means the Il-5s are still around. Surely, at least five of the operational ones could be designated for AWACS.
    And there are active Tupolev fighters, whose asses are they transporting? Maybe we should allocate some for AWACS?
    China has a wide variety of aircraft, so is it a problem to cooperate? At least buy airframes with their components, and you can even find your own engines if you have the desire and the funding.
    Just give our craftsmen free rein and they can create whatever you want.
    I also don't understand why the hell they're making certification so difficult for military aircraft. Are they going to fly them abroad?