The Russian Armed Forces have finally succeeded in bringing down a bridge span in Zatoka, Odessa Oblast.

After several years of periodic attacks on the bridge in the village of Zatoka in the Odessa region, a span in the northern part of this critically important engineering structure for enemy logistics finally collapsed.

As is known, since 2022, this bridge has been repeatedly attacked by Iskander missiles, Kh-59MK2 missiles, FABs with UMPK missiles, Geranium missiles, and even BEK missiles. However, previous attempts to disable the bridge's lifting mechanisms and supports only had short-term effects. Each time, the bridge was repaired and returned to service. Now, after the collapse of one of its spans, if attacks on the bridge continue, it will be extremely difficult for the enemy to repair it.

Furthermore, Ukrainian public groups report that the Russian Armed Forces are regularly striking the region with guided bombs. Reports of FABs from UMPK systems flying toward Chornomorsk or Zatoka have begun appearing in alerts from the Ukrainian Air Force and specialized Telegram channels. Adversary resources fear that strikes with powerful aerial bombs threaten to cause far greater damage to port infrastructure in the Odesa region than previous strikes. rockets or drones.

According to the Ministry of Defense, throughout the day, Russian forces struck ports, sea vessels, and transport infrastructure in Ukraine operating in support of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Fuel and lubricant storage tanks in the port of Odesa and a seagoing tugboat refitted for unmanned boat operations in the port of Mykolaiv were hit by air strikes.

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[wedmed5]

One of the best news in recent days!

[SSR]

Quote from wedmed5

One of the best news in recent days!

Yeah. And everyone missed the part about "numerous attempts."
Most of the forum members are weathercocks, populists, and the loudest losers of all are the polymerists.
PS.
This is not about comrades with specific criticism, but something like Cheburdashka.

[Arkady007]

To be honest, yes, these “numerous attempts” really grated on my ears.
I'm currently processing this news and wondering how I should perceive it: as a sign of weakness or write it off as a side effect?

[Perpetually]

Definitely side effects, I need to drink less and act like a couch potato. Or maybe weakness, or mental weakness...

[Saburov_Alexander53]

You need to drink less and act like a couch potato.

I just tried to drink and pretend... a couple of days ago, writing a wish where to hit this bridge, at what points... And since it hadn't been possible to hit the bridge support accurately for several years, either from the air or from the water, I suggested Hit the extreme points of the bridge. Even a poorly aimed missile or bomb hit there can cause a shock wave and ground movement, which could damage the bridge's support point.
Now I'm sure My proposal was read personally by the General Staff, they asked permission from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and they went ahead...at my suggestion.
Now I'm sitting here waiting for a well-deserved reward for my contribution to Zatoka. And you say the government doesn't listen to the people.

[saigon]

You can find almost anything online—for example, a bridge truss hinge. The picture isn't great, but it's enough to understand that a bridge can be destroyed. I suggest estimating the shaft diameter. So, the whole "nuclear weapons" thing about destroying bridges is just blah-blah and excuses.

[Arkady007]

Saburov_Alexander53
Last year, I said that the General Staff reads opinions on VO. They simply laughed at me and downvoted me.
I've concluded that these opinions and discussions are definitely not ignored. Even more so because elections are coming soon, and the government needs to listen to the people if it wants to gain additional votes.

[Bayun]

THEY'RE READING! Everyone's reading, whoever needs to. I suppose even a dedicated AI is needed to separate bot comments from human ones.

Sometimes, in a seemingly "stupid" comment "from the couch," there may be such a "military trick" that no headquarters could come up with.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Last year I said that the General Staff reads opinions on VO.

I don't know... maybe there's an analytical department that works with the press, but I assume the General Staff already knows all the sore spots on any structure where it's advisable to hit. And they've been hitting the bridge in Zatoka for five years now...
Incidentally, I was expecting the TV news yesterday to show us the actual damage to this bridge, what's actually happening, and how serious it is. But so far, I haven't gotten it. However, I've long been surprised by the lack of satellite images confirming such damage. And when we do show anything, it's only from American or European satellites...
Why is this so, given that we have a full range of reconnaissance satellites, including radiometric ones, that can provide a clear picture of the surface even through dense cloud cover? Yes, there are few of them in orbit, and it might take a day or two for a satellite to pass precisely over this bridge... But not once has the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (SVO) shown us any satellite images of the aftermath of our strikes. And that's a big mystery to me... What if the enemy's photos are deliberately concealing the force of our attacks and showing only three holes in the roofs of the Yuzhmash workshops, while in reality there are five or even six!?

[Fan-fan]

Are you sure this is true news? It could be the same lie as the one about Khibiny a few years ago.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

Now I'm sitting here waiting for a well-deserved reward for my contribution to Zatoka.

You don't need a reward, but a penalty for not writing this in 2022!

[Saburov_Alexander53]

I told my wife about my feat, and she recalled from Fedot the Strelets (L. Filatov):
You are such a master of ours
On Saturdays, or what?
Do you owe the minister something?
Explain such a trifle?

I answer her as it is:
My people are my relatives.
I'm without thoughts about the people
I can’t live a day! ..
In the morning I smear a sandwich -
Immediately thought: what about the people?
And the caviar does not climb into the throat,
And compote does not pour into your mouth!

Ah, in 2022, I didn't know the Zatoka bridge was so impenetrable to our missiles and bombs. So, now everything that used to be transported across it will be transported through Moldova? I checked my maps, looking at the railway from Romania to Ukraine via Moldova... I remember there was a passenger train from Moscow to Ungheni to Iasi to Bucharest. But will Sandu dare openly allow military cargo through?

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

But will Sandu dare to openly allow military cargo through?

Why not?

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Why not?

And he's probably been letting it through for a long time... I have only one doubt here: are trains and trucks with weapons going to Ukraine through Transnistria... or is Sandu looking for ways to bypass Transnistria so as not to run into trouble?
I previously read that Moldova and Transnistria had reached an agreement on customs-free transit along the main road and rail routes through Transnistria. And Transnistria agreed to this, in exchange for gas and other goods from Chisinau and Romania, when Russian gas supplies were cut off.
So I admit that trains with tanks and armored personnel carriers are passing through Transnistria to Ukraine, and nothing can be done about it...

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

So I admit that trains with tanks and armored personnel carriers are passing through Transnistria to Ukraine, and nothing can be done about it...

I doubt it's with tanks and armored personnel carriers. More likely with drones...

[Saburov_Alexander53]

I doubt it's with tanks and armored personnel carriers. More likely with drones...

Yes, it looks like there's no need to transport tanks through Transnistria... they're being transported across the bridge in Zatoka again, if we're to believe today's information about the restoration of this railway bridge.
No wonder I waited in vain for photos of the destruction from our media confirming the collapse of the span. It turns out they restored it faster than the film from our reconnaissance satellites could "develop."
Well, well...we must keep trying.

[cmax]

Quote from S.S.R.

Most of the forum members are weathercocks, populists, and the loudest losers of all are the polymerists.

Maybe we shouldn't give them reasons, huh? Don't go overboard with the accusations! The war is in its fifth year, it's time to hit that fucking bridge. Actually, that's good news.

[Deonnix]

Absolutely! I hope our people don't let it be restored. And they'll add it somewhere else.

[olezenka1]

The next (or next) attack(s) on the Beskydy Tunnel...That's more difficult, of course.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

The next (or next) attack(s) on the Beskydy Tunnel...That's more difficult, of course.

What do you think is the difficulty? Or do you know that nothing is connected to this one tunnel?
After all, just a hundred meters away, an old single-track tunnel is mothballed. A simple switch on the tracks would reroute all trains through a different tunnel, and presumably, any delays would not affect military trains, which would be given priority over passenger trains.
So we need to attack the old tunnel at the same time... Let's say they hit it and managed to collapse the portals (entrances) of both tunnels... How long do you think it will take to restore traffic, once we've dispatched an excavator and a track maintenance crew? From personal experience with similar projects, I'd estimate a maximum of a day or two.
Meanwhile, all military cargo will simply be diverted along a different railway line from Chop (Uzhgorod) to Lviv... Look at a railway map in Transcarpathia and you'll easily find this line, with as many as 11 small tunnels through the Carpathians. Collapsing them in the middle of a mountain is much easier; the rock above them is only a dozen meters high, but you still have to be able to reach that spot... And as we see with the bridge in Zatoka, this hasn't been possible for five years now.
But let's say we succeed, and collapse the tunnels on both railway lines... All military cargo will simply be removed from the platforms at the nearest stations, transferred to trucks, and transported 10-20 km along a luxurious highway (incidentally, without a single tunnel), past the destroyed tunnel. Yes, there will certainly be a delay of a day or two with such transfers onto trucks, but it's unlikely to significantly affect the state of the front. And considering that practically no military equipment is transported from Hungary and Slovakia through Transcarpathia, with almost all of it going through Poland, Romania, and, until recently, by sea... so what do you need the Beskydy Tunnel for?

[Huarabey]

Well, how can I not sweeten the pill of betrayal with this - "finally".

[Nexcom]

...Soviet builders really knew how to build...

[LaraM]

...Soviet builders really knew how to build...

It happened by accident) but basically - galoshes and that's it))..

[Nexcom]

Well, it wasn't me who said that about galoshes. It was someone else who said that. I'm actually aware of what they were able to do back then.

[LaraM]

I actually know what and how they could do in those days.

They know they could do it too. I'm writing about galoshes ironically, and people are downvoting them.

[Nexcom]

So I didn't downvote you. But here on VO, people sometimes have a hard time accepting irony and sarcasm. I've been caught out by this myself more than once.

[IVZ]

Purely mechanically. My apologies. I've corrected it.

[Skobaristan]

Whenever I see people bring up the "galoshes," I always ask, "Do you know the full quote?" And what was that phrase about?

[Montezuma]

Quote: Skobaristan

Whenever I see someone bring up the "galoshes" phrase, I always ask, "Do you know the full quote?" And what was that phrase about?

This phrase was ripped out of its context and turned into a meme, even though the meaning was completely different. People are simply too lazy to dig online to find out what was being said.

[Skobaristan]

A classic example of working in the information field.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Montezuma

Quote: Skobaristan

Whenever I see someone bring up the "galoshes" phrase, I always ask, "Do you know the full quote?" And what was that phrase about?

This phrase was ripped out of its context and turned into a meme, even though the meaning was completely different. People are simply too lazy to dig online to find out what was being said.

No, it's not about laziness. It's just that they're using it based on the principle of "tell the truth, but not the whole truth."

[Sergei Fonov]

"This phrase was taken out of its general context and turned into a meme, even though the meaning was completely different."
In general, the attitude towards reality is formed from reality itself, and those who consider the public speech of this or that politician, who expresses his personal subjective attitude on this or that issue, to be reality and the ultimate truth, are incapable of thinking independently.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Sergei Fonov

those who consider the public speech of this or that politician to be reality and the ultimate truth

Those who believe this are either completely isolated from reality or exist under constant hypnosis.
I have never had the chance to communicate with people so detached from reality.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Skobaristan

Whenever people start mentioning "Galoshes," I always ask, "Do you know the full quote?"

Personally, I brought it up about 20 times, and every time I was downvoted mercilessly. Although sometimes some tried to convince me that everything was fine with consumer goods back then.

[Skobaristan]

So what if there was almost no sausage, at least it was natural, not like all the junk you see now (C) The most interesting thing is that there are many layers here. Many who "remember" that everything was plentiful and abundant are those who were young then. And for them, that time was the best. It's also true that things varied in different parts of the Soviet Union. It was different at different times. There was the stagnation period, and then the perestroika era, five years apart. But essentially, they were completely different times. In short, there was always a shortage of consumer goods, as VVP mentioned back then.

[OlegEKB]

There was almost no sausage, but it was definitely natural

As you say, we hardly ate sausage in the Soviet Union, but it was delicious )))))
I dug around on the Internet

First, we need to understand what the Soviet GOST standard actually was—this abbreviation on product packaging still has a mesmerizing effect on all USSR fans. In fact, Soviet GOST standards had nothing to do with quality—they were simply descriptions of the various ingredients and percentages that could be used in a product. I emphasize—they could.
GOST regulated the range of possibilities for using certain components in the same sausage.

Thus, in addition to the first lines of the GOST standard, which stated that sausages must contain 75% meat, there were also extensive notes outlining what meat substitutes could be used according to the GOST standard. For example, meat substitutes could include a mixture of bone broth, starch, and food plasma, which manufacturers successfully utilized.
For example, the well-known GOST 23670-79 from 1979, as amended in 1980 (cooked sausage and frankfurters): "Instead of beef, pork, and lamb, the combined use of a protein stabilizer, beef or pork or lamb meat mass, food plasma (serum) of blood, starch, or wheat flour is permitted."

That is, the sausage could contain practically no meat – for example, only 10 or 20%, while the remaining “GOST meat 75%” could be supplemented with all sorts of offal, starch, and flour.

[Skobaristan]

Do you understand the meaning of the word "sarcasm?" And how did you interpret my comment? Is it difficult to explain your perspective?

[OlegEKB]

Do you understand the meaning of the word "sarcasm?" And how did you interpret my comment? Is it difficult to explain your perspective?

Vladimir, unfortunately, the text doesn't always convey the emotional coloring.
I just liked your phrase
You wrote it correctly, it was different everywhere
In my city there was practically no sausage, I don't remember its taste ))))) Now it's somehow simpler, I wanted sausage, went to the store and bought any kind and composition, I wanted green peas, there are whole shelves in the supermarket

[poquello]

Quote: OlegEKB

I wanted green peas, there were whole shelves in the supermarket

Mayonnaise, green peas, caviar - Soviet happiness, now the shelves are full of things a Soviet person might not have seen in his entire life

[gsev]

Quote: poquello

Mayonnaise, green peas, caviar - Soviet happiness, now the shelves are full of things a Soviet person might not have seen in his entire life

There's a new trend in Russia. Many people have taken out loans and fallen into debt bondage, losing their apartments. Or while working shifts, they've been fined two months' wages for sweating through their hair or removing their hard hats. They're now provided with a bed, and these people are sold off to day labor for about 2 or 2 rubles. To avoid the hassle of feeding them, they're paid about 3 rubles for their labor. On Stalin's collective farm, everyone had their own house and plot of land. For some Russian citizens, today's life is more disenfranchised than on Stalin's collective farm. Perhaps that's why Chulpan Khamatova was paid so much for the grotesque life of her film's heroine: some in the current government want to see Russians completely disenfranchised.

[poquello]

Quote: gsev

There is a new trend in Russia now. Many People who took out loans fell into debt bondage and lost their apartments. Or while on shift, they were fined two months' wages for sweating through their hair and removing their hard hats. Now they're provided with a bed, and these people are sold off to day labor for about 2 or 2 rubles. To avoid the hassle of feeding them, they're paid about 3 rubles for the work.

When you tell such horror stories, at least give some figures. You can legally lose your apartment if you sign it over as collateral. Removing your helmet is a 5 ruble fine. The minimum wage is currently around 18 rubles.

[Al_com]

You have outdated information.
The minimum wage is currently 27000.

[poquello]

Quote: Al_com

You have outdated information.
The minimum wage is currently 27000.

Yes, indeed, the minimum wage is growing so quickly, 27,093 rubles a month.

[gsev]

Quote: poquello

Removing a helmet is a 5 ruble fine; the minimum wage is currently around 18 rubles.

I attended a training session at a plant run by Kiriyenko last summer. They threatened me with a fine of 100,000 rubles for violations. The fine was the same for all violations, including removing my hard hat and walking around the premises without an escort. If I hadn't violated any regulations, I would have been there at least one and a half times longer and would have spent more time on accommodation than I earned.

[poquello]

Quote: gsev

I attended a training session at a plant run by Kiriyenko last summer. There, I was threatened with a fine of 100,000 rubles for violations.

And what about the salary of 200? Is it 50/50 salary/bonus? According to the Labor Code, they can only deprive you of the bonus and withhold direct actual damages.

[gsev]

Quote: poquello

and the earnings are 200?

Kiriyenko's fines don't depend on earnings. At least, that's what they said during the training. Middle management understands the absurdity of the company's regulations and hints at violating them. They ask employees to keep their hard hats on. Private companies with stable contracts from non-state entities are now trending toward avoiding government contracts.

[poquello]

Quote: gsev

Kiriyenko's fines do not depend on his earnings.

Fines may be within the limits of the bonus, since as such they do not exist for employees according to the Labor Code, and the Labor Code in the Russian Federation does not matter whether private or not

Quote: gsev

Private companies with stable orders from non-governmental organizations are now trending toward avoiding work on government contracts.

What are you discussing with the old ladies at the entrance to your building? This is nonsense.

[Al_com]

"many" - how much is that?
Yes, yes, quite a few small-family apartments and dormitories were built back then.
I'm 45, so I didn't live to see the dawn of the USSR.
But ...
One grandmother, a home front worker, inflated her age to go to work at a factory during the war, then spent her entire life in a clinic. My grandfather built the house at his own expense, with his own labor. They gave him a 5-square-meter dacha. My grandfather, a front-line soldier, went through the entire war, then worked his entire life in a slate factory—he earned nothing.
Another grandmother - I spent my life in a steel foundry, where she also injured her eye - received a 2-room apartment for a family of 4 people, my grandfather was a driver all his life - nothing.
My father worked at a factory and received a two-room apartment (let's not forget that it's in the middle of nowhere) for four people.
Mother - a paramedic - nothing

I got into debt, bought 2 plots of land (12 acres), built a house, bought a 1-room apartment, already paid off the loans, I plan to buy another one in a new building.

My memories of the USSR don’t reveal anything good, except for my childhood and youth.
Sometimes my father and I start to chew over this topic - he doesn’t remember anything good either.

[Stas157]

Quote: Al_com

Sometimes my father and I start to chew over this topic - he doesn’t remember anything good either.

It's hard for you. I sincerely sympathize with you. But my father and I have completely different memories!

[Al_com]

Where did I say that I’m having a hard time and need sympathy?
On the contrary, it’s time to sympathize with you that you still can’t let go of the past.

[gsev]

Quote: Al_com

"many" - how much is that?

At that plant, 15% of the workers, or approximately a third of Russian citizens, work there.

[Al_com]

Previously you wrote this:

There's a new trend in Russia now. Many people are taking out loans.

Now reduce everything to one, no-name, plant.
I also have friends who filed for bankruptcy due to their inability to pay their loans. However, they had previously taken out more debt than they could afford and started using credit cards to pay off large loans, then resorted to microloans.
Don't judge by one plant.
Look out the window – there's no room to spit in the courtyards; it's not uncommon for ordinary working-class families to have two supermarkets... Go into the private sector – see how big the houses are. Compare the old housing stock with modern private sector development.
I'm not even talking about consumerism inside houses/apartments, in clothing and other little things.

Private companies with stable orders from non-state companies are now trending towards avoiding work on government contracts.

And? That's right, the company has enough orders that it can fulfill efficiently and on time. Why would it need more orders if it already has stable, sufficient orders?

You apparently liked the word "trend," but I work for a private company and 90% of our orders are government contracts.

[gsev]

Quote: Al_com

Don't judge by one plant.

From November to December 2025, production at the factories I work with fell by approximately 30-40%. In 2026, I received 40% of the same amount as last year. Moreover, 30% of this amount was due to one company winning a tender to supply something to the Special Defense Forces. They needed a dispenser in June. But in November 2025, Nabiullina thwarted this company's plans to produce two such dispensers, which management, with the help of slave workers, had planned to complete by the end of 2025 in anticipation of increased drone strikes.

[Al_com]

That's what I'm talking about: you evaluate by one plant. Read - by one direction.
You understand that there are many production lines?

[gsev]

Quote: Al_com

You understand that there are many production lines?

I'm in design. Those I taught six months ago can enlighten me on the key issues facing Russian industry. It might be easier for me to find out the extent of the decline in production than for Mishustin. What's the problem with asking a manager at a company that produces key components? For controllers, cabinet components, and contactors, you can find out in Russia, but for machine tools and motors, you can find out in China. Mishustin is told that turnover has fallen by 10%, and he'll calculate the decline in production that way. But I'll learn that the sales volume in 2026 was three times smaller, and I'll conclude that the salaries of cleaners, secretaries, and top managers remained the same, prices have risen, and the actual output has fallen by 30-60%.

[Al_com]

I'm sorry, but your post is absolutely indigestible...

[gsev]

Quote: Al_com

who filed for bankruptcy due to their inability to repay loans.

Of my acquaintances, only one plant found itself in a difficult situation. It had planned to produce electronics in the hopes of receiving government import substitution orders. But our country's problem is that the order could go to a company that labels Chinese motors and passes them off as domestic, while simultaneously jacking up the price by 300% on Chinese components. In China, there's a trend to fire Russian translators (Chinese citizens who speak Russian) from factories, as Russia primarily buys drones and is scaling back its purchases of Chinese capital goods. Assess for yourself whether the machine tool inventory at your plant, which supposedly works on government orders and therefore on the SVO, has increased after December 2025. The problem is that Nabiullina's policies have halted the growth of Russia's production base and are beginning to lead to a shift in Chinese business from cooperation with Russia to cooperation with Ukraine.

[Al_com]

Electronics, again, with Chinese components! And at a price, it's cheaper to buy in China.
And again a "trend", and for all of China!!!
I think it's not up to Senka to decide for all of Russia and China?!
We have excellent cooperation with China and their translators.
No, not in the SVO.
Light industry but for surgery

I joined the company in 2023. Currently, two workshops with a total area of ​​2500 m² have been opened, a 1500 m² production facility has been launched in Uzbekistan (I personally went there to build and launch it), an adjacent property with an old warehouse building has been purchased for further production development, and an invoice has now been paid for 12 knitting machines to organize auxiliary production in order to get rid of intermediaries.
Now, in parallel with my main job, I am developing a concept for a new production facility for sterilizing medical products.

Yes, I will also tell you about one production.

[gsev]

Quote: Al_com

There's no room to spit in the courtyards, and in the families of simple workers, 2 maginas is not uncommon...

Since around 2000, the policy of Sobyanin, Putin, and Luzhkov has been such that if a company wants to attract and retain workers, it must pay them enough to allow the employee to maintain a car for commuting. Putin has moved production away from workers' homes. If a worker isn't paid for a car, they'll simply quit, and the likelihood of finding someone willing to commute to work somewhere like Istra by public transportation is only 5% of the likelihood of finding someone willing to work in Moscow. Similarly, broke people who bought studio apartments somewhere in Domodedovo and haven't saved up for a car can't find work there, and they simply can't work in Moscow, where they used to work. The round-trip commute is four hours, and the health of a 55-year-old man and a 45-year-old woman would be ill from such commuting. I have a friend who went to university in South Korea and worked evenings. Having heard propaganda that everything was fine in Russia, he decided to take a year off from his studies and save up some money after marrying a Korean woman. But in Moscow, finding work and renting a place was significantly more difficult. So, after struggling for a couple of months, he left for South Korea.

[Al_com]

Come on!!!
In my city and nearby towns, the largest production facilities are located on the production sites of the USSR.
Moreover, more or less large enterprises organize the transportation of employees or pay for travel.
Novosibirsk Oblast, by the way.

[Stas157]

Quote: poquello

Now the shelves are full of things that a Soviet person might not have seen in his entire life

Canned whale meat was readily available. Black caviar was sold in buffets. Anyone could afford to let their child buy a sandwich. Soviet times ended, and I never ate black caviar again. And what are you writing about?

[OlegEKB]

Canned whale meat was readily available. Black caviar was sold in buffets. Anyone could afford to let their child buy a sandwich.

As a child, I didn't eat whale meat or black caviar during the Soviet era. Well, we didn't have that in Sverdlovsk, in the family of ordinary engineers.

What are you writing about?

simple everyday products that you can now simply pop into a store in the evening and buy, without queues, without going to the market, just on your way home
and I remember very well the coupons and what was in short supply: sausage and meat (not those soup sets made from bones), cheese and butter (not margarine), sugar, candy, tea (not Georgian or Azerbaijani, which were complete crap), coffee, toilet paper
I won't even mention bananas and oranges, it was my childhood holiday when my parents bought them

[stankow]

You'd have to be a beast to consider buying oranges a "holiday." A holiday is September 1st, then graduation, winning a tournament or the Olympics.

[OlegEKB]

You have to be a beast to consider buying oranges a "holiday".

You'd have to be a beast to not know what a metaphor is in Russian.

and also judge others for what they experienced at any age

[stankow]

Yes, at any age a consumer is a consumer. From childhood to old age. A beastly state.

[OlegEKB]

You probably kept your children on bread and water )))))

[poquello]

Quote: stankow

The holiday is September 1st,

Pervert, the kids are celebrating the start of their holidays.

[stankow]

But definitely not buying oranges

[dnestr74]

Food was a real problem in Sverdlovsk during the Soviet era, that's for sure... I went to visit my grandmother, and her WWII veteran ID saved me.

[OlegEKB]

Our family was saved by the fact that my father was from Ozersk (the city where the Mayak Scientific Production Association is located). There was excellent supplies there; they literally had EVERYTHING! And his parents brought us food, clothes, and furniture.

[nerd.su]

Quote: OlegEKB

and I remember very well the coupons and what was in short supply

Do you also remember the years in which this happened?

Quote: OlegEKB

cheese and butter (not margarine)

Margarine began replacing butter en masse in 91, right around the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Quote: OlegEKB

tea (not Georgian or Azerbaijani, which were complete crap)

Georgian tea was quite good, which was basically Indian. I don't remember Azerbaijani tea in the Soviet Union, but now it's quite good.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of tea are you drinking these days? Something that's not complete crap? Princess Nuri, perhaps?

[OlegEKB]

Do you also remember the years in which this happened?

I remember we moved into a new apartment in 1983 and for the first time I saw the building manager who brought monthly coupons (I can't say what kind)

Margarine began replacing butter en masse in 91, right around the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

I just don't remember if margarine was freely available back then, but butter was definitely rationed.

Georgian tea was quite good, which was basically Indian. I don't remember Azerbaijani tea in the Soviet Union, but now it's quite good.

quite normal...
Remember Bulgakov's Woland, who said that fish is only the freshest, and it's also the last. It's the same with tea: it's either good or tasteless. Georgian tea has never been comparable to Indian tea.

The problem was that in the 70s in Georgia, tea harvesting was mechanized and the quality suffered greatly (hay and scorched earth were a pretty good comparison)

Just out of curiosity, what kind of tea are you drinking these days? Something that's not complete crap? Princess Nuri, perhaps?

I didn't have the chance to live in Sri Lanka for long and they have really tasty tea there, but unfortunately I couldn't find anything similar in Russia, usually it's Akhmat or Tez.
Nuri, this is for uninvited guests))))) Just kidding
Nuri, well, if it's really the end, but not in tea bags. I always drink brewed tea.

[nerd.su]

Quote: OlegEKB

I remember we moved into a new apartment in 1983 and for the first time I saw the building manager who brought monthly coupons

Probably the grimaces of a big city. At the time, we had a small settlement for a geological survey team with its own ORS. Nearby, the ORS for oil exploration was a bit more sophisticated. And in the main settlement, things were relatively fine; later, when the geologists folded, things didn't get much worse. Or maybe I don't remember.

Quote: OlegEKB

I just don't remember if margarine was freely available back then, but butter was definitely rationed.

Yes, by the time the Soviet Union collapsed, everything was rationed, and once prices were relaxed, everything quickly became rationed. But I remember margarine without rationing. Starting in 91-92, a lot of imported margarine started appearing in fancy plastic jars; it was even often passed off as butter.

Quote: OlegEKB

Remember Bulgakov's Woland said that fish is only of the first freshness,

Barbarous manners But that's fish...

Quote: OlegEKB

Georgian tea has never been comparable to Indian tea.

Georgian tea has never been purely Georgian. In the USSR, blending was used in tea production, and Georgian tea was 20-30 percent Indian or Sri Lankan.

Quote: OlegEKB

Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything similar in Russia, usually it's Akhmat

A director who worked in Canada for a while once told us about tea, including Akhmad's, that the Akhmad sold in Russia was inferior to the one sold abroad. I'm not sure how much we can trust him.

Quote: OlegEKB

In general, I always drink brewed tea.

I try too, but sometimes I'm too lazy to brew it. And anyway, a person doesn't come into this world to eat.

[OlegEKB]

Probably the grimaces of a big city.

I agree with you here, it was different everywhere
And here they already wrote that somewhere they ate black caviar and whale meat, those who lived in regions where livestock farming was taking place probably had no problems with meat, those who lived in Moscow were in chocolate
And in Sverdlovsk (and they wrote about it here too) the supply situation was a mess, there was a ton of defense equipment and practically no food nearby
But my parents worked in optics, and I always had toys that were made there. Maybe you remember the Barkhan cars, the Naturalist microscope, I don’t remember what it’s called, and watching filmstrips.

A geological crew's settlement with its own ORS. Nearby, the oil exploration ORS is a bit more sophisticated.

Yes, it could have been like that, I already wrote about it here
My grandparents lived in Ozersk, which is 100 km from Sverdlovsk. The Mayak plant, where they enrich uranium, is located there. They had supplies there, well, probably by Moscow standards (our TV, furniture, and all sorts of goodies came from there).

Georgian tea has never been purely Georgian. In the USSR, blending was used in tea production, and Georgian tea was 20-30 percent Indian or Sri Lankan.

Yes, I also read about this, that they diluted it

that the Akhmad that is sold in Russia is worse than what is sold abroad.

I agree, after living in Ceylon, I still couldn't find anything similar in Russia, I even tried Chinese, it was still not the same
You actually drank a cup of tea there, and you felt like your energy had increased, and your thirst had gone away.

[poquello]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: poquello

Now the shelves are full of things that a Soviet person might not have seen in his entire life

Canned whale meat was readily available. Black caviar was sold in buffets. Anyone could afford to let their child buy a sandwich. Soviet times ended, and I never ate black caviar again. And what are you writing about?

I am amazed at you,
"On Tau Ceti they live in beauty,
Live, by the way, in different ways
Our comrades in mind."
There was a time when canned seaweed was sold in stores, but for some reason, the few other products disappeared at that point. I actually tried real black caviar for the first time at the Sverdlovsk meat-packing plant's cultural center buffet around 85, during some trade union celebration. And for free, too. Had it been readily available, I suppose I would have somehow managed to get it on my New Year's table? But no, not here. Sterlet caviar, while not the most expensive, is an attribute of my New Year's table today. And I can't even remember anything about red caviar back then. It was all Olivier salad, potatoes, sprats, sausage and oranges, herring under a fur coat, and meat. My parents were probably morons—they thought black caviar was unhealthy to eat, and I went blind before 85, so it was there, but I didn't see it.

[Al_com]

A few questions:
1) in which city
2) what period of time
3) What did the parents do for a living?

I don't remember having any of this in our Novosibirsk region, and I ate black caviar for the first time in the 90s, but I ate it with a spoon and from a 3-liter jar)))

[Mazunga]

A Soviet person in Lithuania in those years had access to Paneri sausages everywhere and in abundance. Palanga was a familiar name. Skilandis was almost always around, but there was no money for it. Dry Rambinas cheese with caraway seeds. Chocolate-covered curd cheeses had never been seen in Russia. Back in the 70s, I'd gobble up Riga sausages, two hours on the commuter train, and you'd be in Riga. In Šiauliai, they even made TVs and bikes. So, there was enough, but not for everyone and not everywhere.

[poquello]

Quote from Mazunga

A Soviet man in Lithuania

The Baltics were part of the showcase of the Soviet state

Quote from Mazunga

And in Šiauliai they even made TVs and bikes))

I had a Baltic refrigerator with a chipboard coating. Many people didn't realize it was even a refrigerator, because it was a rare item.

[Skobaristan]

That's why I'm clarifying... I often misunderstand what people mean by their sentences. Speaking of peas: my memory immediately suggests the word "globe."

[poquello]

Quote: OlegEKB

That is, there could be practically no meat in the sausage –

oh well, it was perfectly edible, the weird plasticine came later, now I just have to figure out which one to choose

[OlegEKB]

Now I just have to figure out what to choose

You see how difficult life has become now? We go out, read the ingredients, try to figure out the different types of sausage. It's not like back in the Soviet Union, where we just bought whatever was thrown on the counter.

[poquello]

Quote: OlegEKB

Now I just have to figure out what to choose

You see how difficult life has become now, we go, read the ingredients, try to understand the types of sausage,

It's terrible, I haven't had any mustard with honey or Bavarian for two weeks now.

[poquello]

Quote: Skobaristan

In short, there has always been a shortage of consumer goods, as VVP was talking about back then.

With the production of consumer goods, galoshes were indeed of high quality, and black and white felt boots with glued on were more fashionable, but there was already a shortage

[Skobaristan]

Unfortunately, I was too young and stupid to appreciate the quality of galoshes back then. But I do remember that they were very popular among my grandparents in the village in the summer.

[Bayun]

Soviet chemists They were even able to remove the smell of boar and rotten meat for meat processing. (Inside information from the director of a meat-packing plant in the Union)

[Poplar]

Quote: Skobaristan

So what if there was almost no sausage, at least it was natural, not like all the junk you see now (C) The most interesting thing is that there are many layers here. Many who "remember" that everything was plentiful and abundant are those who were young then. And for them, that time was the best. It's also true that things varied in different parts of the Soviet Union. It was different at different times. There was the stagnation period, and then the perestroika era, five years apart. But essentially, they were completely different times. In short, there was always a shortage of consumer goods, as VVP mentioned back then.

Most commentators critical of the USSR somehow forget that only 30 years had passed since WWII. Half the country lay in ruins, and everything had to be rebuilt practically from scratch: houses, factories, roads, bridges, and so on. This is one of the reasons why consumer goods received less attention—there were more pressing issues. I have a question for these critics: what has been built in Russia in the 30 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union? A bunch of shopping malls? Oh, and they built the Moscow Ring Road, which is under repair year-round, here and there.
And yes, I agree with you: it was different in different regions. As a child, I went with my father to Siberia to visit relatives in 1979. The stores there had everything, unlike in our Non-Black Earth Region.
Regarding apartments, the situation also varied across regions: there was very active housing construction around promising industrial enterprises, in regional centers and in areas devastated during WWII. Incidentally, residential buildings were also being built in rural areas, often small, single-family units. My father was given a three-room apartment for four people after the birth of his second child. However, we lived in a regional center, where a lot of housing was being built.

[Skobaristan]

Quite a few have been built even now, by the way. But you've come here, as I see it, in a classic defense of your youth under the USSR. There are problems now, and there were problems back then, in governance, among other things. That's what we're talking about, that very same Putin line about galoshes. Which is being taken out of context on purpose.

[poquello]

Quote: Dart2027

Although sometimes some tried to assure that everything was fine with consumer goods then.

Yeah, "through the warehouse manager, through the store director, through the merchandiser, through the back porch"

[Stas157]

Quote: Dart2027

some tried to assure that with consumer goods everything was fine then.

And in your opinion, everything was bad?

Liberals like you have been telling us for 30 years that it was impossible to live under the Soviet Union—horrible shortages and inferior goods... And now, they say, we have a blessing—a veritable abundance of goods! But in reality, it's the exact opposite. Under the USSR, we were completely self-sufficient in consumer goods. There was nothing imported in the stores! And now, everything in the stores (consumer goods) is imported. Where is your blessing? Today's consumer goods production cannot even be compared to the Soviet era, either in quality or volume.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Stas157

Under the USSR, we were completely self-sufficient in consumer goods. There were no imported items in the stores!

Because everything imported was sold to locals and at very high prices. And, yes, not everything was domestic, but there was much more of what was available than there was back then.

[OlegEKB]

Under the USSR, we were completely self-sufficient in consumer goods.

The USSR may have provided for itself, but for some reason it couldn't provide for its citizens.
All this was necessary, as they said then, "to get"

It was impossible to live under the Soviet Union

You can live in prison, it's a question of quality of life
also under the Union, of course everyone lived peacefully, adjusted to the system

[Stas157]

Quote: OlegEKB

You can live in a prison camp

The Zone? Is that how you describe life in the USSR? You're wrong. If you don't believe me (an eyewitness), watch Soviet films. How cheerful they are! And that's how it was. And what now? Where has that Soviet carefree, laid-back attitude gone? These are mercantile and stressful times. Everyone's running somewhere... But at the same time, no one (few people) works in a factory!

[OlegEKB]

The Zone? Are you talking about life in the USSR?

No, I lived at that time myself

What I'm saying is that no one is trying to convince anyone that it was impossible to live in the USSR.
people can live in any conditions

[poquello]

Quote: Stas157

And now in the stores (consumer goods) everything is imported.

in stores, what people buy

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Putin said: “What we produced was of no use to anyone, because no one bought our galoshes, except for the ones that were in great demand in some African countries.”

[Skobaristan]

That's the first part of the quote. That very context-breaking thing. And then there's something else that changes everything.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Skobaristan

That's the first part of the quote. That very context-breaking thing. And then there's something else that changes everything.

Well, then bring the second one as an argument, I didn’t lie anywhere, I just quoted...

[Skobaristan]

https://yandex.ru/video/preview/18315849905089854081 Давайте проще, вот прямая речь. Кстати ваша цитата не совсем точная.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Skobaristan

https://yandex.ru/video/preview/18315849905089854081 Давайте проще, вот прямая речь. Кстати ваша цитата не совсем точная.

Do you know why you can't provide the second part of the quote? Both you and I know it doesn't exist.

[Skobaristan]

You're weird. I specifically included a video with direct speech. Or don't you have access to Yandex Video? Okay, then here's the transcript:

"Yes, the crisis was profound, and we fell further than many countries, absolutely. Why? Because we had a one-sided economy. Did it just happen yesterday? It's been that way for 70 years. Everything we produced was of no use to anyone. Because no one bought our galoshes except for the Africans who had to walk on hot sand. That's the whole point. We had a defense industry—a fantastic, strong one, and we're still proud of it. We're grateful to our grandfathers and fathers for creating such a defense industry after the Great Patriotic War. The first satellite and the first man in space are our shared pride, they're achievements of the Soviet government that we're all proud of. These are national achievements. But consumer goods... Where were they? They didn't exist. Let's not lie to each other or to the people." (c) And this isn't at all about the fact that the USSR ONLY produced galoshes.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Skobaristan

and this is not at all about the fact that the USSR produced ONLY galoshes.

But it's clearly about the fact that there weren't any decent consumer goods, they weren't produced... and the galoshes, judging from the text, are just an example... (This is VVP's opinion). The comment I responded to was specifically about consumer goods... So what did I write wrong? What are you arguing with? VVP didn't say that about consumer goods? Well, you yourself provided a transcript where it's written in Russian.

[Skobaristan]

Let's go back to where it all began. Find out who first mentioned "galoshes" in the comments and in what context. That's one. And it turns out there's a continuation of the quote after all. That's two.

[TerraSandera]

They don't understand sarcasm, eh. I cut one minus.

[expert]

Dmitriy ,
I drove across this bridge many times in the 1970s. Now I'm trying to remember what it's made of—it seems nothing special. A metal structure with a "drive-on-bottom" design. I think the middle section lifts up, and the deck (roadway) was wooden.
But I would never have thought that it is so durable!

[Nexcom]

Good evening Fachman
(I'm on my phone and the names on Android don't show up in the mobile browser).

That's the thing—it seems like Soviet builders didn't use anything special. But it turned out pretty well. I personally saw a 50s dorm being demolished with a Hyundai tractor (or whatever it's called). The dorm was brick. The Hyundai's beak (or whatever it's called for) was damaged by the impact—the hydraulics broke, and everything started leaking after hitting the wall. .

[expert]

This is what Hyundai deserves! Let them tremble.
This is not specifically about the tractor, but in general.

[Nexcom]

...and it broke after just a couple of hits - I saw it myself. This tractor driver was cursing at the imported equipment, saying it was so weak.

[Pantsuy_]

Quote: Nexcom

This tractor driver was cursing at the imported equipment, saying it was so weak.

...Russian lumberjacks laid down an oak log.
- Z-z-z-zick - said the foreign saw Husqvarna.
- Wow, said the Russian lumberjacks.
The Russian lumberjacks put down an iron crowbar.
“Dir-tyr-tyr,” said the foreign saw Husqvarna.
- Tyuuuuuu... - said the Russian lumberjacks.

[Bayun]

It was designed(!) to be demolished by a metal ball, like in "Well, Just You Wait!" And then they brought in a dumb gnome.

[Nexcom]

Ooooh! That's right! The ball is steel or whatever it's made of - you'd have to be really clever to break it - you'd be in a lot of trouble trying to split the ball. And in Korea or somewhere—apparently they don't build houses that sturdy—their Hyundai deflated after a couple of hits. And back then, what kind of hydraulics did we have? The ball pumped up, hit, and everything fell apart. Cheap, simple, and without any hydraulic bells and whistles.

[Bayun]

Continuing off-topic. It reminded me of a well-worn joke about trying to make a cannibal leader laugh in order to save himself while locked in an empty steel room with two heavy metal balls (like weights without handles). The Russian, as we know, managed: he broke one ball and lost the other.

Jokes aside, real Soviet technology, including military technology, was very sensitive to the SIMPLICITY of technical solutions, foolproofing, and minimizing the cost of solving a given problem.

[Nexcom]

..even the Americans have a saying: he's not smart enough to do simple and reliable things (c)

[Bayun]

Which is encouraging! Sooner or later, the world's mighty will realize that "eating crap" for 100 of the devil's money is STUPID!!! Everyone in the world is "in control," but for some reason they're still eating shit up to their ears.

[Vic Vic]

Hyundai should be pronounced and written in the Russian manner. The "yu" sound is completely unnatural, with the lips curled up. But the "u" sound is a completely different matter. It's easy to pronounce and sounds clear. In fact, that's exactly how everyone said it at first, but then they decided it needed to be written in a foreign manner... And what they call it themselves doesn't matter at all.
And if you write it in short, in general, practically, in our language it will be 😊

[expert]

In Germany they pronounce it "Hyundai"...

[Apis1962]

And we have it through UY, like give it to them with this very item
Just in case: this is below the belt humor.

[Nexcom]

Exactly. Hyundai - "yu" is pronounced like "you" according to English rules. That's how it's pronounced everywhere.
But Koreans pronounce it in their Korean as Hyundai.

[Vic Vic]

It doesn't matter at all what people pronounce in which country. Any name will be pronounced differently in a country where no native speakers of the producer's language live.
They say whatever is easiest to pronounce in the local dialect. You'll never imitate the phonetics of a foreign language correctly unless you've studied it deeply. This topic was recently discussed on a car show on central radio. Now we have a ton of Chinese cars with their own names, which we've already learned to pronounce, albeit with some difficulty. So, we pronounce it very vaguely, and there's no problem with that. There's no need to phonetically imitate Korean, German, Chinese, or any other language; it won't sound like the original anyway.

[Apprentice_SAM]

Quote from vicvic

They say it the way it's easier to pronounce in the local style.

As in a joke:
The husband asks his wife on the phone:
- Where are you?!
- I'm sitting in the Burrow!, the wife replies.
- What a fool you are!! How many times do I have to tell you - not "Nora", but "Renault"!!! It's a good thing I didn't buy you a "Peugeot"!

[Vic Vic]

By the way, the original name "Mercedes" (a derivative of the name) sounds like "MersEdes." Would you like to stick to "their" pronunciation in this case?

[poquello]

Quote from vicvic

By the way, in the original, the name is "Mercedes"

in Russian "Merin"

[Vic Vic]

It doesn't matter where or how they pronounce it. Koreans probably twist their tongues even more dramatically, but that's no reason to copy their diction. Export-market Zhiguli cars were once renamed "Lada" simply because "Zhiguli" sounds like a gigolo in Spanish.
In fact, the name of this brand is so ambiguous, so ambiguous, that there's no reason not to remember it. It's strange that the Koreans haven't changed the name for the Russian market, but we've simply gotten used to it over the years...

[Motorist]

Quote from vicvic

it must be pronounced and written in the Russian manner

[alexoff]

They were so efficient that the bridge was actually closed for repairs until the end of this year. It's more a question of the tenacity of those breaking it.

[Pantsuy_]

Quote: Nexcom

...Soviet builders really knew how to build...

But the Soviet military (and, incidentally, the Russian one) didn't know how to destroy them, as it turns out. Perhaps it's time for today's military to learn this?

[Dmitry Mikhailovich Seregin]

As it turns out, it's possible. We must continue to act in the same direction.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Long-awaited news. Now the main thing is to prevent it from being restored.

[nedgen]

Yes, it turns out there is something to destroy bridges with after all. It's just that the desire and will were lacking before. This could have been done at least back in 24!!! I hope the bridges across the Dnieper will be the next ones.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Write to Kartapolov, otherwise all his bridges are untouchable...

[Vic Vic]

They are not "untouchable" for him, but rather they are not killable.

[Dart2027]

Quote: nedgen

Yes, it turns out that there is something to destroy bridges with.

As is known, since 2022, this bridge has been repeatedly attacked by Iskander missiles, Kh-59MK2 missiles, FABs with UMPK missiles, Geranium missiles, and even BEK missiles. However, previous attempts to disable the bridge's lifting mechanisms and supports have only had short-term effects. Each time, the bridge has been repaired and returned to service.

When they started working on it en masse with FABs, then they were able to bring it down.

[Anatoly Eliseev]

Yes... 5th year... I'm afraid to say what I think about our generals...

[Careful]

I think that those generals who are in the "fields" have their hands strongly tied by the politicians from above.

[16112014nk]

A collapse of a span is a strong word. More like damage. It will be repaired in a week. The central span must be brought down; that's the guarantee of the bridge's decommissioning.

[alexoff]

After each arrival, the bridge was repaired for several months; most likely, nothing will be repaired, since the bridge does not go to the island at all; there are other routes.

[OlegEKB]

They won't fix it because the bridge doesn't go to the island at all; there are other routes.

I think the railway goes over this bridge there.
There is no other railway route to the Danube ports

[alexoff]

There is no railway line, but there are enough roads, the shoulder there is not very big

[carpenter]

Quote: 16112014nk

Collapse of a span is a strong word.

" Serious damage to a key infrastructure facility was recorded in the Odessa region as a result of a precision missile strike."
They're writing about it on every website. There's only one video, from "Iznanka," but it's completely unintelligible.
There are no more photos.
Let's wait until they clarify what and how.

[Montezuma]

Quote: 16112014nk

It will be restored in a week.

It's still unknown when and how they'll restore it. Furthermore, repeat visits would further disrupt the overflight if necessary.

[Silba]

Apparently, there weren't any accurate strikes from three-ton trucks before, but now they've improved and illuminated them. Well, we can only rejoice and look forward to further success! The main thing is to get started. So many spears have been broken here regarding the Dnieper crossings; maybe things will move forward there too.

[ankon]

Great news! When will we demolish the railway tunnel on the border?

[Dart2027]

Quote: ankon

And when will we destroy the railway tunnel on the border?

Just the other day there was an article about how the US tried to collapse a tunnel in Iran.

[Alexey Lantukh]

And when will we destroy the railway tunnel on the border?

It's impossible to destroy a tunnel with conventional bombs and missiles. The best-case scenario is to seal the entrance with rock. Clear it out, and that's it. A more rational approach would be to collapse the bridges along such a line. And the only way to seriously destroy a tunnel is with a nuclear explosion.

[nedgen]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

And when will we destroy the railway tunnel on the border?

It's impossible to destroy a tunnel with conventional bombs and missiles. The best-case scenario is to seal the entrance with rock. Clear it out, and that's it. A more rational approach would be to collapse the bridges along such a line. And the only way to seriously destroy a tunnel is with a nuclear explosion.

Do you think it's that easy to clear a collapsed entrance? It would take at least a week. And if they hit it with a dagger, and it collapses at least the first 20-30 meters, and on both sides, then a month would definitely not be enough to restore traffic.

[scary]

The saga was reminiscent of the Soviet "Zveno" system, used to attack a strategically important bridge in Romania in the fall of 41, near Constanta, I believe. But back then, everything was done much faster.

[Hiller]

They built it very well in the USSR. I rode across this bridge during the stagnation years on the commuter train from Odessa to Karolino-Bugaz. Well done! All that's left is to lower the lifting mechanism for safety.

[agond]

In the available videos, the strikes were carried out across the bridge, so the probability of a miss is quite high. If the missiles had approached the target along the bridge, it would have been easier to hit. By the way, the fallen span was above the shore, it will be easier to restore it than if another span had fallen from those above the water.

[TerraSandera]

So, please share your techniques for turning gliding bombs 90°+- in flight. And, of course, you need to hit the landing gear; the flight is being repaired. And yes, preferably closer to the center.
Moreover, the destruction of this bridge will achieve little. Now that the front is stationed there, there are no landing operations, or any other operations at all. The inviolability of the other bridges remains a mystery. But then again, when the front is stationary, removing the bridges won't significantly worsen the situation; they'll simply be repaired, that's all.

[Karelian]

Periodic strikes Maybe they are episodic?

[Metallurg_2]

Like, they finally decided to start in the fifth year?
The boss is taking a long time to get going. I hope we'll go quickly.

[TerraSandera]

We started with a first attempt, but based on the results or something else, we gave up. And this has happened many times. It's basically the same as with energy, traction substations, depots, and so on. We try, we give up—Minsk, Istanbul, Trump, grain deals, Anchorage, and so on. There's always hope. And it's always been disappointed.

[sasha_cho]

Please dismantle all the bridges in Kyiv!

[Waifu]

Less than four years passed.

[esso]

Well, it finally worked. As I wrote before, there were many attempts to disable it...

[rusich]

Ships no longer call at the ports of Sturkovina; the bridge span has been collapsed. Good news. We're waiting for the tunnel to collapse.

[Metallurg_2]

And don't forget about the wheel set change points at the border.

[Alexander_K]

Well, they can do it when they want to! Well done! The gunner and the gunner should be awarded, and this experience should be shared with the masses.

[Scaffold]

Quote: LaraM

...Soviet builders really knew how to build...

It happened by accident) but basically - galoshes and that's it))..

The phrase about galoshes is a great indicator of the interlocutor's level. I wish someone would have asked what Putin actually said.

[Evgeny_4]

Quote from vicvic

It doesn't matter at all what people pronounce in which country. Any name will be pronounced differently in a country where no native speakers of the producer's language live.
They say whatever is easiest to pronounce in the local dialect. You'll never imitate the phonetics of a foreign language correctly unless you've studied it deeply. This topic was recently discussed on a car show on central radio. Now we have a ton of Chinese cars with their own names, which we've already learned to pronounce, albeit with some difficulty. So, we pronounce it very vaguely, and there's no problem with that. There's no need to phonetically imitate Korean, German, Chinese, or any other language; it won't sound like the original anyway.

Absolutely right. The names of the cars are simply written in Latin letters.
It is stupid to read the name of the car according to the rules of the English language.

[Vyacheslav Boldyrev]

Is it really true that for the first time in 80 years since WWII they have learned to blow up and destroy bridges again?

[torbas41]

We tried, and there is a result. Of course, it is not easy to collapse a bridge, but, as we can see, perhaps now we need to deal with the bridges and dams on the Dnieper.

[Escobar]

Have you decided to entertain the electorate before the elections?

[Berg berg]

The Russian people built strong structures to last for centuries and didn't expect such baseness and betrayal from a neighbor! Now we have to roll everything back!

[nikon voron]

They weren't neighbors. We lived in the same country.

[Marlin]

Good news. It's time to get to the Beskydy Tunnel.

[MCmaximus]

What? Was that even possible? All the experts say it's impossible to demolish. But here they took it and demolished it

[nikon voron]

The photos and videos do not show any damage to the bridge.

[Totor5]

Maybe we should target the workers and equipment that are hanging around there and the companies that are doing the restoration?

[andrey martov]

"If you suffer long enough, something will come of it!" - German Ko-Tatar-Mongol-Pecheneg folk proverb. . .

[anclevalico]

There was a rumor somewhere that the railway section had survived. I couldn't find any confirmation or denial.

[matsur]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

You need to drink less and act like a couch potato.

I just tried to drink and pretend... a couple of days ago, writing a wish where to hit this bridge, at what points... And since it hadn't been possible to hit the bridge support accurately for several years, either from the air or from the water, I suggested Hit the extreme points of the bridge. Even a poorly aimed missile or bomb hit there can cause a shock wave and ground movement, which could damage the bridge's support point.
Now I'm sure My proposal was read personally by the General Staff, they asked permission from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and they went ahead...at my suggestion.
Now I'm sitting here waiting for a well-deserved reward for my contribution to Zatoka. And you say the government doesn't listen to the people.

From the moment we were deceived again, I wrote that every time we try to sit down at the table, we need to make demands worse than the previous ones. So that the opponent will regret not agreeing yesterday. Now this is being broadcast right from the top. They probably read me too, but they didn't award me a bonus. Some creep sits there and passes off all the best ideas from VO as his own.
I also wrote about the bridge's extreme points, but not as an expert, simply figuring that a blast wave trapped between the ground and the bridge deck could unravel the deck itself. Even if it were to be more pronounced on the right and left.

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Quote: MCmaximus

What? Was that even possible? All the experts say it's impossible to demolish. But here they took it and demolished it

Yeah, those are the kind of "experts" we have. They convinced the leadership that Ukraine would immediately agree to all the terms back in '22.
I'm already beginning to think that analysts in our country don't come from the word "analysis".

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Quote: saigon

You can find almost anything online—for example, a bridge truss hinge. The picture isn't great, but it's enough to understand that a bridge can be destroyed. I suggest estimating the shaft diameter. So, the whole "nuclear weapons" thing about destroying bridges is just blah-blah and excuses.

How do I get into this hinge???