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The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine approved the military reform program for 16,4 billion dollars

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The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine approved the military reform program for 16,4 billion dollars



On Wednesday, at a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, the state program for the reform of the country's armed forces was approved, Defense Minister Pavel Lebedev said.

The implementation of the five-year program is expected to spend about 131 billion hryvnia or 16,375 billion dollars, said Ukrainian Defense Minister Pavel Lebedev, ITAR-TASS reported.

The Minister noted that the reform will be financed from the state budget, as well as through the “realization of excess property by the Ministry”.

The program is aimed at bringing the number of armed forces of the republic to the optimum level and strengthening combat readiness.

The number of Ukrainian army is 184 thousand. People. The reform developed by the Ministry of Defense suggests reducing the size of the army to 70 thousand people.

Earlier it was reported about the plans of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine to transfer the army to a contract basis for the 2017 year.

At the time Ukraine declared its independence from the Soviet Union, the number of troops in the country numbered about 700 thousand people.

The strategic nuclear forces stationed on the territory of Ukraine in 1991 had 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles, as well as about 2 thousand. 600 tactical nuclear units weapons.
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  1. Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris 30 May 2013 06: 39 New
    +3
    Where did the money come from? bully The economy is kaput.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 30 May 2013 07: 03 New
      +2
      The budget of Ukraine ~ $ 40 billion. $ (Is it being implemented?) I.e. every year they are going to spend ~ 8% of the budget only on military reform! To reduce the army to 70 thousand.?

      Wonderful.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 30 May 2013 08: 46 New
        -3
        The budget of Ukraine ~ $ 40 billion. $ (Is it being implemented?) I.e. every year they are going to spend ~ 8% of the budget only on military reform! To reduce the army to 70 thousand.?

        Wonderful.


        Normally, it turns out that the Belgorod region has a budget of as much as 20% more than that of the whole independent one, but I don’t say anything about Maskvabad and Peter. Peter has 4 times more than the whole of Krajina.
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 30 May 2013 09: 06 New
          +3
          it seems that 16,375 billion $ for five years is not a bad amount for the Ukrainian army. and if so it will be - I am only happy for the army. but two points are alarming:
          1.
          The reform developed by the Ministry of Defense involves a reduction in the size of the army to 70 thousand people
          - will not be enough for Ukraine ?! what
          2.
          The Minister noted that the reform will be financed by the state budget, as well as through the "sale by the Ministry of excess property"
          - This is really scary. decided to sell what have not had time ?! stop
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 30 May 2013 14: 05 New
            -4
            I answered above, what is the budget.
          2. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 30 May 2013 16: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: self-propelled
            it seems that 16,375 billion $ for five years is not a bad amount for the Ukrainian army. and if so it will be - I am only happy for the army. but two points are alarming:

            Generally not very much. 16,4bn / 5 / 70000 / 12 = $ 3900 per month per soldier.
            Everything can be differentiated with a gradual decline in numbers over the years, then the amount per soldier will be even less. and now try to arm and equip the equipment of this same mythical average soldier and keep him a decent monetary allowance, provide housing, etc.
            After all, the main problem will be the cost of small-scale production / purchase of modern military equipment, when the unit cost will be astronomical.
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        3. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 30 May 2013 15: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          Normally, it turns out that the Belgorod region has a budget of as much as 20% more than that of the whole independent one, but I don’t say anything about Maskvabad and Peter. Peter has 4 times more than the whole of Krajina.

          You are too susceptible to the Internet meme culture, but you have problems with mathematics. The budget of St. Petersburg is $ 12,8 billion, the budget of Ukraine is slightly more than $ 55 billion. It turns out almost as you wrote, only in the opposite direction. The budget is independent. It is 4,2 of the budget of St. Petersburg.
        4. morpex
          morpex 31 May 2013 00: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          Wonderful.

          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          Peter has it 4 times more than the whole of Krajina.

          Well, in general, the budget of Ukraine 60 with a penny of billions of Baku. But that’s not the point. Why are you boasting guys? Are you awesome to live better because you have a bigger budget? I doubt it wildly .... For 20-years that you have built oligarchic capitalism in which the bulk of the people are poor and disenfranchised economies sucks and so on ... Remove you now from the oil and gas needles and where will you be?
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 30 May 2013 14: 04 New
        +2
        The budget of Ukraine for 2011 was 163,4 billion dollars
        The budget of Ukraine for 2012 was 176,2 billion dollars
        The budget of Ukraine for 2013 was 181,6 billion dollars

        A source: http://www.imf.org/external/
        1. TRAFFIC
          TRAFFIC 30 May 2013 14: 23 New
          -1
          This is probably the same GDP, the budget is more modest, about 41.5 billion dollars.
          1. TRAFFIC
            TRAFFIC 30 May 2013 14: 46 New
            +3
            Oh, I'm driving, at the rate of 1 $ pf 8 UAH. budget expenditures 2013 412 billion UAH. = 51.5 billion dollars.
          2. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 30 May 2013 14: 52 New
            0
            Yes, GDP is to blame
        2. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 30 May 2013 14: 40 New
          -2
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          The budget of Ukraine for 2012 amounted to 176,2 billion dollars

          "Statute 1. The amount of income to the sovereign budget of Ukraine for 2012 is from the sum 373.960.236,2 thousand hryvnias," zakon2.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/4282-17
          373.960.236 / 8 = 46 745 029,5 $
          373.960.236 / 10.35 = 36 131 423,77E at today's rate

          What is the purpose of dragging left links here? Read your laws.
          As I understand it, such reports in Ukraine are not a loss of face, but quite the opposite.
          1. TRAFFIC
            TRAFFIC 30 May 2013 14: 48 New
            0
            That you are not better, for starters, indicate budget expenditures, not incomes, and secondly, what kind of rate is you at 10,35, is that the rate against the euro?
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 30 May 2013 21: 46 New
            0
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            373.960.236 / 10.35 = 36 131 423,77E at today's rate

            Mathematician) lol
        3. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 30 May 2013 16: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Sith Lord
          The budget of Ukraine for 2013 amounted to 181,6 billion dollars

          Well, according to Ukraine itself, the indicators are as follows
          Budget revenues increase compared with the plans for the current year by 6,4%, up to 394,6 billion UAH. Costs will increase by 6,3%, to 434,6 billion UAH, which is more than this year by 25,6 billion UAH. The budget deficit is laid at 1,65% of GDP, which is UAH 27,8 billion

          http://ubr.ua/finances/macroeconomics-ukraine/osnovnye-cifry-proekta-budjeta-na-
          2013-god-162693

          http://mybank.ua/articles/articleDetail.do?objectId=13499

          It turns out that something is at the level of 55 billion, but not at all 181 billion. Where did such indicators come from? Perhaps you confuse GDP and the budget? So for a simple budget, these are taxes on GDP, which cannot be more than 100%.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 30 May 2013 17: 06 New
            +1
            Yes, I confused my mistake with GDP. But thanks also for your data)
      3. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 30 May 2013 15: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        The budget of Ukraine ~ $ 40 billion. $ (Is it being implemented?) I.e. every year they are going to spend ~ 8% of the budget only on military reform! To reduce the army to 70 thousand.? Wonderful.

        Well, your calculations are not entirely correct. The budget for this year in the expenditure part is 434,6 billion UAH, which corresponds to 55,5 billion dollars. Accordingly, about 6% will be sent to military reform. Which is also not small, but it says that Ukraine still began to feel that they want to cut it ...
    2. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 30 May 2013 07: 19 New
      -1
      And they have already budgeted gas discounts that they thought up for themselves.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 07: 21 New
      -3
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      Where did the money come from?

      And what does the money have to do with it? The reform will progress in two stages.
      1. Disarmament.
      2. The formation laughing
    4. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 30 May 2013 15: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      Where did the money come from? The economy is kaput.

      The article is written. Realization of excess property. It's time to go to the Crimea to relax, but maybe some land to buy. Interestingly, the auction will be open ??

      As for the reform itself, the sum is ridiculous. Russia now spends about $ 2020 billion a year on the "rearmament 83" program alone, while Ukraine will spend $ 3,34 billion. and this is taking into account the fact that the Russian army was at least somehow rearmed before. tasks of course are different and the number is also different. but why does Ukraine need an army of 70 soldiers? What can such an army do? Romania has an army 000 more. So in Uraine the population is more than twice and it is not covered by any military blocs.
      In general, the picture of the situation is understandable, but we must give tribute to the military leadership, they adequately assess their capabilities and try to create at least something controlled and combat-ready.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 30 May 2013 16: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Gluxar_
        It's time to go to the Crimea to relax, but maybe some land to buy.

        I recommend the villages of Marfovka, Ptashkino, Vyaznikovo, Kirovo, Kalinovo, Novonikolaevka, Privolnoye, Chapaevo, Rubinovka ...))))
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 1 June 2013 00: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Skavron
          I recommend the villages of Marfovka, Ptashkino, Vyaznikovo, Kirovo, Kalinovo, Novonikolaevka, Privolnoye, Chapaevo, Rubinovka ...))))

          Good offer. And how much is the land of private traders there now? Are there many military facilities? The location itself is simply gorgeous, at least for business, at least for life ... 10 km to the sea, its own fresh water.
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    6. vilenich
      vilenich 1 June 2013 13: 28 New
      0
      Guys, it's too early to discuss this news.
      On Wednesday, at a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, the state program for the reform of the country's armed forces was approved, Defense Minister Pavel Lebedev said.

      The Cabinet of Ministers has only approved the program, and it will be put into effect by Presidential Decree. So this is how the Minister wants it or the journalist got it wrong, but the program is only in the draft so far!
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 30 May 2013 06: 41 New
    0
    Interestingly, where did Ukraine get that kind of money?
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    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 07: 22 New
      -2
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      where did Ukraine get that kind of money?

      Why sho you pester lads money, money. The main fat was Schaub, the rest is secondary winked
    3. Kars
      Kars 30 May 2013 08: 55 New
      +7
      3 billion a year? Not really the budget and increased. Yes it will stretch not by five but by 8 years.
      The number of troops will decrease, the number of military bases and towns will be reduced, they will be sold. There is also hope for a reduction in the number of generals.
      70 contract workers will be more efficient than 000 those who could not slope. And the civilian staff was included in this number.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 09: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        70 contractors will be more efficient than 000 those who could not slope

        If there is money to train these contractors, then there will be even less sense from them. Kars, loot for exercises, shooting?
        1. Kars
          Kars 30 May 2013 09: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          otherwise there’s even less sense from them

          There will definitely not be less

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .Kars, loot for exercises, shooting?

          go to LJ to kotobot, read.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 10: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Kars
            go to LJ to kotobot, read.

            Don’t worry Kars, soon join the TS and there will be money and weapons wink
            1. Kars
              Kars 30 May 2013 11: 23 New
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Don’t worry Kars, soon join the TS and there will be money and weapons

              Vryatli.
      2. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 31 May 2013 18: 52 New
        +1
        Sorry Kars, but I've already heard that somewhere about "fighting efficiency" and about "quality". One of the speakers is already giving testimony, it is a pity that he is not in prison.
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 30 May 2013 09: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Interestingly, where did Ukraine get that kind of money?

      Why are you so dull! In Russian it says: "SALE OF PROPERTY!" fellow Come on guys!
      Hello everyone!
    5. Corneli
      Corneli 30 May 2013 21: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Interestingly, where did Ukraine get that kind of money?

      Well, yes .... the availability of money from Ukraine does not seem to be compatible with the fact that you, in Russia, are told by zombies or written in newspapers) Drama!
  3. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 30 May 2013 06: 46 New
    -2
    Yes, 70 thousand is quite enough to clean up the territory of the towns, to whitewash trees and borders, to refine the general's dachas.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 30 May 2013 06: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      , general summer houses to ennoble.

      Yeah, what else can they do, got fat, but like ours, only ours are fatter!
  4. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 30 May 2013 06: 56 New
    -5
    Well, if they reduce the army of thousands to 60. The fleet, aviation will be radically reduced, 200 tanks left. Then maybe this little thing for something and that's enough. But again, Ukrainians are rogue living from one tranche of the IMF to another. Where they will find 16 billion. This I do not even take into account the fact that some part of the money is stolen. And the other part will be spent on the purchase of equipment at likely high prices. Plus, they still do not need to forget about the extremely worn-out infrastructure with which something must also be done. And this little thing just doesn’t be enough for anything.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 07: 24 New
      -4
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      Where they will find 16 billion.

      Everything is thought out, first join the EU, there go bankrupt and ask for help in the amount of 100 billion. The scheme has already been tested and worked out in Greece and Cyprus hi
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 30 May 2013 08: 43 New
        -3
        Everything is thought out, first join the EU, there go bankrupt and ask for help in the amount of 100 billion. The scheme has already been tested and worked out in Greece and Cyprus
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 30 May 2013 07: 27 New
      +3
      Part of the funds will appear due to a 2,5-fold reduction. And they don’t need more.
    3. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 30 May 2013 08: 05 New
      -2
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      Then maybe this little thing for something and that's enough.

      At the festive parade on the Maidan.
    4. TRAFFIC
      TRAFFIC 30 May 2013 14: 27 New
      +2
      But again, Ukrainians are rogue living from one tranche of the IMF to another
      And when was the last tranche from the IMF, a well-known Ukrainian economy? It is clear that without oil and gas it is difficult for post-Soviet countries, but what to do.
    5. morpex
      morpex 31 May 2013 00: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      But again, Ukrainians are rogue

      Listen, you oligarch in bast shoes. Maybe enough to offend already? Listen to you, so a simple Russian hard worker eats hazel grouses every day and bites pineapples. For example, I know another Russia, which is worth living close to Ukraine in terms of living .. So, express your contempt for Ukrainians in your kitchen with your neighbor.
  5. shamil
    shamil 30 May 2013 07: 07 New
    -4
    will finally leave a guard of honor. There is no money to pay for gas
    Or maybe the West will give them money for rearmament, and they will put them a missile defense system
    Won Georgians taught to fight!
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  7. Warrawar
    Warrawar 30 May 2013 07: 25 New
    +3
    This is a common cut
    "The program is aimed at bringing the number of the republic's armed forces to the optimal level and strengthening combat readiness.

    The number of the Ukrainian army is 184 thousand people. The reform developed by the Ministry of Defense envisages a reduction in the size of the army to 70 thousand people. "
  8. ATATA
    ATATA 30 May 2013 07: 56 New
    +6
    A country with a population of 46 million people. Will have an army of 000!
    Is it funny shelves ?! laughing
    And the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine today is 220. And the reduction is not to be heard.
    Who is the main enemy of independence?
    External, or internal (your own people)?
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 30 May 2013 08: 48 New
      +3
      Germany with 90 million people has 120 thousand.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 30 May 2013 09: 36 New
        -5
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Germany with 90 million people has 120 thousand.

        Germany after the 2nd world disarmament.
        The Aryan mentality is re-soldered.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 30 May 2013 09: 45 New
          0
          Not with them, even with the existence of the GDR, the army was 4 times more apart from the mob reserve.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 30 May 2013 17: 42 New
            -2
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            Not with them, even with the existence of the GDR, the army was 4 times more apart from the mob reserve.

            You would still remember the times of the 2nd World War. laughing
            Former Aryans at the moment still go bent in front of the United States and Israel.
            There was a hurricane in New York, all German gold was washed away from US vaults.
            Aryans washed and swallowed.
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      1. ATATA
        ATATA 30 May 2013 10: 02 New
        -4
        Quote: kris
        the number of policemen is about 1 million. this is 1 policeman for 140 people.
        and Ukrainians have 1 policeman for 206 people!

        In Russia, it seems that they do not plan to reduce the army to 200 people.
        And you consider the number of police, even on the area of ​​the country, and not just per person.
        Because if anything, then you still need to get to a specific point.
        Quote: kris
        and as for the number, it’s not necessary anymore.
        behind Russia. and she will not hit in the back.

        Or maybe this pseudo-state doesn’t need an army at all ?!
        May Russia mother guard the independence ?!
        Speaking of Romania.
        Romania's GDP per capita 13.
        Ukraine's GDP per capita 7.
        This is already a reality.
        HERE THEY ARE!!!!
        THE TRUE ACHIEVEMENTS OF TERRITORIAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHICH YOU ARE TRYING TO DO NOT SPEAK !!!

        Soon they will enter the competition with the poor Moldovans.
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        2. kris
          kris 30 May 2013 10: 15 New
          -1
          Quote: ATATA
          And you consider the number of police, even on the area of ​​the country, and not just per person.
          Because if anything, then you still need to get to a specific point.

          We have many times more police officers per capita than in other countries. There is nothing to compare with the former USSR: then there were 2,1 policemen per thousand inhabitants. In modern Russia - 7,7. At the same time, the Soviet Uncle Styopa fixed traffic lights and helped the kids, and the current law enforcement officers groan from congestion and the "stick" system.


          In the near future the kaklov will not have a normal army.
          But so far, our rulers have gotten dirty in the stool and its affairs.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 30 May 2013 17: 47 New
            0
            Quote: kris
            We have many times more police officers per capita than in other countries.

            We have not only police officers and officials per capita in comparison with the USSR several times more. I sent an article here on this topic about 3 months ago.
            See admins hacked.
            It seems that capitalism in the Russian Federation, in principle, government managers need less, and there are several times more ?!
            Where is the efficiency? ...
            Well, no ... the time will come ... enough lampposts ....
            "God forbid to see a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless" (C)
            We forget the classics, but in vain.
            Do not forget the classic theory!
            I say again the state apparatus of the Russian Federation has turned into a class whose interests run counter to the interests of the country.
            When the tops cannot and the lower classes do not want everyone knows what happens.
            Putin / Medvedev, come down, think about it, realize this is the main threat to the Russian Federation.
            Not the USA.
            1. kris
              kris 30 May 2013 20: 36 New
              0
              Quote: ATATA
              We have not only police officers and officials per capita in comparison with the USSR several times more.

              here the policemen are protecting these parasite officials from ordinary people.
          2. morpex
            morpex 31 May 2013 00: 50 New
            -1
            Quote: kris
            We have many times more police officers per capita than in other countries.

            I will add
        3. Corneli
          Corneli 30 May 2013 21: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: ATATA
          And you consider the number of police, even on the area of ​​the country, and not just per person.
          Because if anything, then you still need to get to a specific point.

          So proudly said ... I see directly that in Siberia or beyond the Arctic Circle a lot of policemen go ... Probably guarding the bears. What difference does the country have (taiga, permafrost ...) if the police are still mostly in the cities?
          Quote: ATATA
          Speaking of Romania.
          Romania's GDP per capita 13.
          Ukraine's GDP per capita 7.
          This is already a reality.
          HERE THEY ARE!!!!
          THE TRUE ACHIEVEMENTS OF TERRITORIAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHICH YOU ARE TRYING TO DO NOT SPEAK !!!
          Soon they will enter the competition with the poor Moldovans.

          Yes ... We don’t have any GDP (On the other hand, what can I brag about? The GDP of the same Greece or Cyprus, which seems to be catastrophically bad, is higher than that of Russia belay How do you get it?
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 31 May 2013 01: 57 New
            -1
            Quote: Corneli
            Yes ... We don’t have any GDP (On the other hand, what to brag about? The GDP of the same Greece or Cyprus, which, it seems, is catastrophically bad, higher than that of Russia How is it so?

            We will boast that in Russia its GDP is almost 2 times higher than in the mendicant, but independent Ukraine.
            Ida ... cutting off questions about oil and gas. This sector in the structure of the economy is less than 10%.
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 31 May 2013 10: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: ATATA
              We will boast that in Russia its GDP is almost 2 times higher than in the mendicant, but independent Ukraine.

              Seriously? Do you think this is a mega comparison and a good result? For a country that should be in at least 5 of the coolest countries in the world by all imaginable indicators? And to make such comparisons ... strange ...: The US has 4 times more of the same GDP than Russia, takes pride? And Ukraine has 2 times more than the "impoverished" India, but somehow it doesn't make it easier for me (
              Quote: ATATA
              Ida ... cutting off questions about oil and gas. This sector in the structure of the economy is less than 10%.

              I don't have any questions), but oil and gas in Russia is about 40% of income from imports. And for Ukraine it is "-" a quarter of the budget (out of $ 45 billion of the budget, $ 13 billion was given to Russia for the "cheapest" gas in Europe)))
          2. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 31 May 2013 19: 08 New
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            Quote: Corneli
            Yes ... We don’t have any GDP (On the other hand, what to brag about? The GDP of the same Greece or Cyprus, which, it seems, is catastrophically bad, higher than that of Russia belay How is it so?

            Dear Corneli, go through. by reference.http: //www.ereport.ru/stat.php? razdel = country & count = russia
            And Greece and Cyprus to us are about the same as Ukraine before them (no offense).
            And generally enough to swear. It's time to unite. choose an adequate president who will think about your country, choose a parliament accepting normal laws and not brawlers (in both senses). Themselves, too, is not all right in these matters, but again follow the link and that says it all.
            Sincerely.
    3. vilenich
      vilenich 1 June 2013 12: 56 New
      0
      Quote: ATATA
      Who is the main enemy of independence?
      External, or internal (your own people)?

      Recently there was an article on the topic: "Who and how will tear Ukraine" (http://topwar.ru/28572-kto-i-kak-budet-rvat-ukrainu.html)
      Given the non-aligned status of Ukraine, she and the army of the current strength have nothing to catch, and with the transformed one it will be possible to sit and glue fins quietly!
  9. serzhserzh86
    serzhserzh86 30 May 2013 08: 07 New
    -4
    something tells me that the NATO partners will be partners in the "sale of excess property by the Ministry" ...

    I’ve got to see the rating of armies in order to compare the future SALO army with others and that's what I found))) http://basetop.ru/reyting-armiy-mira-na-2013-god/
    It turns out Russia and out of the bullet is not suitable for a powerful army of Israel
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 30 May 2013 10: 13 New
      +1
      they brought the proof, but they themselves read it:

      "In the ranking of the armies of the world for 2013, Israel is in the lead in terms of defense spending per capita - about 2 dollars."
  10. JonnyT
    JonnyT 30 May 2013 08: 11 New
    -2
    theft + collapse of the army + sale of all possible equipment of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces = military reform of Ukraine!
  11. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 30 May 2013 08: 33 New
    +2
    Ukraine is melting before our eyes .... it becomes incomprehensible that it is not a full-fledged state .... it's a pity .... the fraternal people have become hostage to worthless politicians ..... a bargaining chip in their games.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 30 May 2013 08: 50 New
      -9
      But I’m not sorry for them, they themselves are to blame for everything. Let them now pay in full. And all this is just the beginning soon all of our tears will be more than fulfilled by them.
    2. Kars
      Kars 30 May 2013 09: 24 New
      10
      The funniest thing is that if Ukraine had begun to increase the army and spend more lamentations on it, it would be even more that the fraternal people sold themselves to NATO and are preparing cannon fodder to help Western aggression. That Bendera is arming))))


      ________
      In the Zhytomyr region, there’s a trivial polish wave of howitzer self-defense artillery division of the 26th Berdychiv Artillery Brigade of the 8th Army Corps of the Ground Forces of the Ukrainian Zbroynykh Forces of Ukraine. Division, osbroєny self-styled artillery installations 2 С19 “Msta-S”, hello march, taking a position near the village of Bistrik Berdychivskyi district. In the head of the catering, as in the course of the Polish entrance, there is a special warehouse of howitzer artillery and artillery divisions - the command of the offensive.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 10: 52 New
        -3
        Quote: Kars
        - wednesday offensive.

        What? offensive action belay This is called window dressing. hi
        1. Kars
          Kars 30 May 2013 11: 22 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          his? offensive action is called window dressing

          this is called teaching

          The hour of the Polish leave of the 30th okremo guards ’mechanized brigades was to lower the control strips of the AK-74 and BMP-2 vehicles on a daily basis.

          “Come and see us regularly,” said the commander of the mechanized battalion, the Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Zubovsky. - Schonaimensh once a month the skin company has to enter the poligon for the weekend, the right to take tactful tactics is completed.

          For half an hour, there will be plenty of room for life and organization so that if there is little but half an hour spent in real combat. The leather day of the Polish leave, all the way to a good night, was awarded more than the number of practical practical skills for combat, the regular training, the organization of temporary support, and the organization of support points.

  12. Regis
    Regis 30 May 2013 09: 02 New
    +6
    Why does Ukraine need a large army? Russia will not attack anyway, but for Romania there are many 70k.
  13. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 30 May 2013 09: 42 New
    -2
    America will give them money, do not worry
  14. Skavron
    Skavron 30 May 2013 09: 47 New
    +9
    Hmm, from zhezhoscaly haters
    I have a question - What size army should Ukraine have in all branches of the armed forces, respectively?
    Oh, and also, the reduction in numbers, in my opinion, only indicates that Ukraine is not going to fight with anyone in the near future, or does the Russians have a different opinion?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 30 May 2013 10: 10 New
      -4
      Quote: Skavron
      I have a question - What size army should Ukraine have in all branches of the armed forces, respectively?

      If we talk about an independent and wealthy state, then from 200 to 000 people. These are the norms for a real state. Do not give an example of Germany and Japan, these states are occupied and do not have an independent foreign policy.
      But your Economy, it is beyond the power.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 30 May 2013 10: 27 New
        +6
        somewhere I thought so
        even 400 a lot, maybe such a quantity with everyone, including the Ministry of Internal Affairs
        on the other hand, a large army is really costly
        better to have fewer but pros than many unskilled soldiers
  15. Vtel
    Vtel 30 May 2013 09: 52 New
    -5
    About 131 billion hryvnias or 16,375 billion dollars are supposed to be spent on the implementation of the five-year program, Ukrainian Defense Minister Pavel Lebedev said

    And in hryvnia it sounds cooler. Nabos for every bow to the Blue West will receive a mulliard.
    The reform developed by the Ministry of Defense involves a reduction in the size of the army to 70 thousand people.

    With such a large army, the mustache will be packaged in oil. But if gay men are not allowed to parade in Kiev, they will get a cookie from Geyvropa.
    "An old friend is better than two new ones". Here are the slates on your bare feet.
    1. CaptainBlack
      CaptainBlack 30 May 2013 11: 05 New
      -2
      This is rightly said !!! drinks
  16. Algor73
    Algor73 30 May 2013 10: 37 New
    +8
    There are no imperial ambitions in Ukraine, it is not going to attack anyone. And there are no territorial claims as such. I do not support the government in this regard, as I was brought up under the Union, where the Army was honorable in all respects. But what to do if those in power are those who do not think about the army? They would have saved the military-industrial complex. But how many ill-wishers I see in Ukraine! I read the comments, I am amazed! Especially "Alexey Prikazchikov". You probably have something personal about Ukraine ... But you don't need to splash saliva. We are all ordinary people who write comments on the blog, alas, nothing depends on us. But what is interesting, is everything in the Russian army all right?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 10: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Algor73
      There are no imperial ambitions in Ukraine, it is not going to attack anyone. And there are no territorial claims as such.

      But others have to Ukraine.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 30 May 2013 11: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But others have to Ukraine.

        Sasha, besides Romania, who else?
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 30 May 2013 12: 17 New
          +2
          "The Hungarian Ambassador to Ukraine Michal Baer said that his country has no claims to the integrity of Ukraine, but at the same time he supports the idea of ​​creating autonomy for the Hungarian community in Transcarpathia," he said in an interview with Weekly.ua, speaking about the Pritisiansky region of Transcarpathia, where thousands of ethnic Hungarians live.

          He stated this in an interview with Weekly.ua, speaking about the Prisyansky district of Transcarpathia.

          “At the last meeting, the Hungarian government offered support to those initiatives that came from the legitimate political organizations of the Transcarpathian Hungarians. This is the initiative of one of the two Hungarian parties in Transcarpathia. We just secured our support for these initiatives, and we are not talking about any separatism, "said Baer."

          http://president.org.ua/news/news-318416/
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 30 May 2013 14: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: seller trucks
            This is an initiative of one of the two Hungarian parties of Transcarpathia.

            I’ll tell you about these Hungarian parties ... how many active members are there in each? A few hundred?
            Moreover, they constantly bite among themselves))) Those parties have no chance of anything more serious than chatter.
    2. shamil
      shamil 30 May 2013 13: 14 New
      +2
      Yes, better! There is no hostility towards Ukraine and Ukrainians (if only in anecdotes)
      Politics uvas incomprehensible yes
  17. Warrawar
    Warrawar 30 May 2013 10: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Algor73
    There are no imperial ambitions in Ukraine, it is not going to attack anyone.

    But others have these ambitions.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 30 May 2013 11: 10 New
      +1
      For example, in Romania? Or in Russia ?. If the first, then I do not think that there will be a military conflict, but if the second, then it is clear that Ukraine and Russia have nothing to compete with. Even if the army is 200 or 500 thousand. It’s better to say that the whole world is arming itself, that the 3rd World is coming, that it’s not time to play the pacifist oh ...
  18. CaptainBlack
    CaptainBlack 30 May 2013 11: 01 New
    +2
    My son serves on a contract in Ukraine. 3 years will be in the fall. And you won’t wait when this contract is already over to quit and send everyone, and come here to serve Russia again! Scout sniper is always in demand. So, during this time of service, he had to buy uniforms, shoes at his own expense, pay for an apartment, food, and many more. etc. As a result, it remains only to buy a rifle with cartridges for their own ... Salary of 1350 grivnas., And even then with delays. Repair of equipment and barracks - also at your own expense, everything! And why such an army in general, why does Ukraine need ???
    This is not an army, but a definition. There is no one to defend against, and even more so to attack! And there’s no sense in containing it either!
    Let them already pull away everything that remains of her, and that’s where it will all end!
    The rest is balabolstvo! Where does that money come from? Yes, even SUCH ??? If there is nothing to pay pensions even, and they will reconstruct the army, rams.
    Ukraine just needs to specifically send the whole west away, with the EU, and asks for Russia! On my knees damn it ...
    Such a country was ruined by corrupt bastards ... No honor, no conscience, no dignity, no pride ... they all poheril !!! fool
  19. desiscia
    desiscia 30 May 2013 11: 43 New
    +6
    It remains for us to fall to our knees and ask the great and mighty poor relatives of us to protect and feed pensions, we don’t get gas, we don’t pay, in the near future the fat will end with famine.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 30 May 2013 11: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: desiscia
      in the near future, fat will end in famine with memory.


      Yes, and you fat, as if not:

      Related materials:
      This is not the first batch of fat weighing 700 kg, which Ukrainians are trying to export from Russia
      http://www.km.ru/glavnoe/2006/11/09/kommentarii-dnya/eto-ne-pervaya-partiya-sala

      -vesom-v-700-kg-kotoruyu-uk ...
      An attempt to import 5 tons of smuggled fat into Ukraine has been stopped
      http://newsru.com/crime/20nov2003/salo.html
      Residents of Lugansk tried to carry 7 bags of bacon from Russia
      http://www.ukr.net/news/zhiteli_luganska_pytalis_pronesti_iz_rossii_7_meshkov_sa

      la-13442009.html
      Fat in ####### ju - smuggled
      http://www.u-f.ru/ru/Archive/2007/6/20/News/ID_10277

      copy paste, my post, from another forum
    2. desiscia
      desiscia 30 May 2013 12: 05 New
      +2
      That fat is in the way, May I’m telling you there’s nothing to do, just wag the dirt on us.
      1. shamil
        shamil 30 May 2013 13: 08 New
        -2
        You have to ask to join Russia. Your corrupt politicians cannot decide where to get to them, whether to the west or to Russia
        And shoe and fat for your army and girls have long been here. then the rest is small. we are fraternal peoples, are you embarrassed
        1. anton107798
          anton107798 30 May 2013 18: 56 New
          -4
          Quote: shamil
          A shoe and fat for your army and girls



          Girls? prostitutes or what? Do you even understand how you call your own countrymen?
          Need to ask? A Chezh do not ask that? Ask did not try to start why not ask? Why are there no high-profile shares that are not in support of the TS?
          Because no, Ukrainians do not want to in the TS, so do not ask. but you do not believe I can provide statistics.
          1. Apostle
            Apostle 31 May 2013 02: 39 New
            0
            You can shove your statistics in yourself .. you shove it !!!!! They want it, and whatever they want (well, except for the western one of course) !!!! But there are no shares because the people are frightened, because people are really scared for their lives and their lives loved ones ... cops kill, bureaucrats kill, bandits kill, and ordinary people are punished. Many hope that Russia will help ...
            1. roial
              roial 31 May 2013 18: 05 New
              -2
              who is scared ?? I see the real order for you.
              Gay parades, corrupt politicians, stealing military men, a poor village I’m not talking about the Caucasus, where Russians just cut their heads and we should ask there ??? Are you out of your mind then ??
    3. O_RUS
      O_RUS 31 May 2013 10: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: desiscia
      began to fall on our knees and ask the great and mighty poor relatives of us to protect


      .... we won’t fall on our knees! Ukraine will succeed. Let others fall on their knees ... We will receive interest-free 500 years from Russia and put the economy in order
  20. Andrew 121
    Andrew 121 30 May 2013 18: 10 New
    0
    In short, come on, guys fellow
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 31 May 2013 10: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey 121
      In short, come on, guys


      well yes ...

      Russia keeps the devils on subsidies .... move them and the Ukrainians to determine the balance
  21. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 30 May 2013 18: 11 New
    +1
    yes in the photo they are no doubt garn lads but denyuschek then in the treasury bye-bye bye-bye carried away laughing
  22. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 30 May 2013 19: 55 New
    0
    Nice to read the comments of the Russians. Continuous ICP. I really did not find a single Russian comment.
    As for the reform, it is long overdue. And in fact, it has been carried out for 2 years already, in terms of rearmament, repair and modernization. Of the 184 thousand troops today, 70 thousand will not be combat-ready. There are a lot of servants and so forth. Therefore, the reduction of the "train" will benefit the army. Military property of the mountain. He is guarded, served. Sell ​​and forget. And for this money to solder AN-70 or a corvette.
  23. Alexander D.
    Alexander D. 30 May 2013 21: 41 New
    +3
    It's so nice how Russians worry about the Ukrainian budget. Guys, can you come to an agreement with the GDP to cut the gas price, if you are so unbearable to look at our "poverty". Actually, we will somehow feed our soldiers ourselves.