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Georgian armed forces - the weakest in the region, despite an active desire to meet NATO standards: military analyst

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Georgian armed forces - the weakest in the region, despite an active desire to meet NATO standards: military analystMay 26, 2013, Georgia hosted the celebration of Independence Day. It was originally planned to hold a military parade, but later it was decided to replace it with an exhibition of weapons, as well as a small demonstration of combat aviation. Was presented armored vehicles "Didgori" and "Shamkori", infantry fighting vehicles (BMP) "Lazika" of its own production, Tanks T-72 of Israeli modification, BMP-2, Czech self-propelled artillery "Dana", American military SUVs "Hammer", BTR-80, modern American armored vehicles MRAP, multiple launch rocket launchers (MLRS) BM-21 "Grad" and their Georgian copies. In the end, Su-25 attack aircraft and Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters appeared in the sky.


The event is an excellent opportunity to look at how Georgia approached the problem of rearming and rebuilding its armed forces after defeat in the war unleashed by President Saakashvili against South Ossetia in August 2008. As a result of the military operation of the armed forces of the Russian Federation to force Georgia to peace, a significant part of the Georgian military equipment was destroyed or abandoned.

Almost immediately after the cessation of hostilities, statements were made by the United States and other allies of Georgia on the continuation of military assistance. The United States has declared its readiness to provide up to $ 1 billion to restore the combat capability of the Georgian army. The continuation of cooperation was also announced by Ukraine, the transfer of which of the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems (ADMS) to the Georgian air defense forces turned out to be the greatest problems for Russia during the 2008 combat operations of the year (Russia lost, according to various estimates, from 4 to 7 combat aircraft). Indeed, already in October 2008, Georgia received a large batch of military equipment from Ukraine - up to the 35 T-72 tanks. Later were transferred RSZO BM-21 "Grad", as well as ammunition and spare parts. For all this, Georgia paid only $ 5,6 million, which is several times less than the real price of the weapons listed above. In fact, these deliveries compensated for the loss of Georgian armored vehicles.

As for military cooperation with the United States, despite the statements made by the Americans, military assistance to Georgia in the postwar period averaged about $ 20 million per year. Basically, this money was provided to Georgia by armored "Hummer" and small arms. It is also worth noting the transfer of modern American armored vehicles 28 MRAP. In the 2012 year, the 2 patrol boats were transferred to Georgia, but this supply practically does not restore the Georgian fleet almost completely destroyed in the 2008 year. In addition, a significant part of the above funds goes to the training of Georgian officers and soldiers by American instructors.

Small supplies of military equipment were from other NATO countries, but they had scanty volumes and, in general, did not affect the overall picture.

Another global direction in the development of the Georgian armed forces is the development of its own military-industrial complex. Georgia has already started production of the Didgori armored vehicles - they are assembled on the basis of the Ford F-Series pick-ups. It was also demonstrated BMP "Lazika". The stated characteristics of these machines are quite good, but the real combat capabilities, as well as Georgia’s ability to set up production of a significant number of these machines, raise great doubts. Perhaps it would be more expedient to purchase time-tested and combat BMP-2, or the American M2 Bradley. Another product of the Georgian military-industrial complex was a copy of the BM-21 Grad rocket launcher system - ZCRS-122. Again - the number of systems produced can hardly be serious.

In general, these purchases very little enhance the real combat capability of the Georgian army, as there is a very large list in the direction of light weapons. As a result, it turns out that Georgia has at its disposal a very small amount of heavy weapons, as compared with neighboring countries. Many kinds weaponsGeorgia, such as operational tactical missile systems, or heavy MRLSs, does not exist at all, unlike its neighbors in the South Caucasus, Armenia and Azerbaijan. The latter also have a big advantage in the number of the same tanks - 2-3 times. As a result, there are very big doubts whether Georgia will be able to wage even a defensive war against these countries in the event of a hypothetical conflict. And an effective confrontation with the Russian Federation, Turkey or Iran is out of the question.

In modern warfare, as is known, one of the key factors is air superiority. Here lies the greatest weakness of the Georgian Armed Forces. Military aviation is available in Georgia in very limited quantities, and is represented only by Su-25 attack aircraft and Mi-24 helicopters. In such a situation, it seems appropriate to emphasize their strength on the strengthening of air defense. However, this practically does not happen. Georgia’s air defense is extremely weak, and it has not yet compensated for losses after the 2008 year. It is presented by the Israeli Spyder short-range air defense system, the Wasp short-range air defense system and the outdated C-125 air defense system. Also, perhaps after the 2008 war of the year, part of the Buk-M1 air defense system survived. All this is absolutely not enough to somehow cover the territory of the country. As a result, in combination with the absence of serious air forces, this will lead to a very rapid loss of control over the airspace and a very rapid defeat, as has already happened in August 2008 of the year.

The combination of all of the above should cause very serious concern to the leadership of Georgia, since the country, in fact, has the weakest armed forces in the region, despite the most active desire to meet NATO standards. Virtually no fully operational fleet. Both in quantitative and qualitative terms, all neighboring countries are superior to Georgian troops, and if the re-equipment vector of the Georgian armed forces is not shifted towards the purchase of serious heavy weapons and air defense systems, the situation will only get worse in the future.
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  1. lvn321
    lvn321 30 May 2013 10: 41 New
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    Comrades Georgians! A huge call for you: buy the latest weapons (the list is attached). We’ll come, pick up, study. And then they themselves have nowhere to put such junk.
    RS More than two aircraft carriers are inappropriately. But they must be complete with co-support (destroyers ....)
    Yes, don’t try to wind it up, you’ll still break it, then sweat it.
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 30 May 2013 15: 04 New
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      become a classic!
      1. Denis
        Denis 30 May 2013 15: 05 New
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        Quote: dmitreach
        become classics!

        What teachers, such and students.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 30 May 2013 15: 06 New
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          teachers. Mlyn.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 30 May 2013 15: 45 New
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            But what happened before Photoshop.

            Colonel Richard Clare, 75th Rangers Regiment. Submits to the US Army Special Operations Command. The level of combat readiness allows deploying them anywhere in the world after an 18-hour warning.

            At the moment - a brigadier general. More than 20 years in the army. He began his career as a commander of a rifle platoon of the 1st Battalion of the 48th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Panzer Division.

            Then he was the commander of the 3rd battalion of the 504th parachute infantry regiment of the 82nd airborne division in 2002. Two years later, he took command of the 1st Battalion of the 75th Ranger Regiment, and then took command of the entire 75th Regiment.

            Colonel Clark received a master's degree in security and strategic studies from the National Military College, Washington, DC, and received many military orders and medals. He is married to Suzanne Clark, has two children, Madeline and Wally. Oh, by the way, finished West Point.

            Now heads the Fort Drum base.

            He was in Iraq and Afghanistan, took a direct part in the hostilities.

            Among other awards is the holder of the Legion of Honor and the Bronze Star, the fourth largest military award in the US Armed Forces.

            This is about teachers, so that there are no illusions and hatred
            1. Manager
              Manager 30 May 2013 15: 48 New
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              Quote: Pimply
              Pimply

              Pimpy, understand, we all on this general
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 30 May 2013 15: 52 New
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                I understand. Are there many hats prepared?
                1. Sirocco
                  Sirocco 30 May 2013 16: 30 New
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                  Well what are you so? Yesterday, you yourself discussed an article about hat-throwing, only there Amers throw themselves. http://topwar.ru/28688-amfibiynye-gruppy-vms-ssha-blef-ili-realnaya-ugroza.html#
                  comment-id-1198792
            2. Rattenfanger
              Rattenfanger 30 May 2013 16: 02 New
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              The Americans, so that they do not write about them, are excellent fighters. Not all, of course. But still.
              But the Georgians ... Zadornov correctly noted 10 years ago: "Do you think that the Americans will teach the Georgians to fight? No. Rather, the Georgians will teach them to sing."
              Z.Y. Personally, I am grateful to Comrade Stsukoshvili and the Georgian Armed Forces for the new Sony Ericsson phone, good lightweight berets and an interesting cam figure.)))
              1. dc120mm
                dc120mm 30 May 2013 16: 06 New
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                Excuse me, did you take the toilet with macho?
                1. PROXOR
                  PROXOR 30 May 2013 16: 11 New
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                  Quote: dc120mm
                  Excuse me, did you take the toilet with macho?

                  You calm down young man. There, only your brainwashed can see the Russian military.
                  Havchik on a trophy defender - it was, Hamera - it was, your three blindfolds with your blindfolded were. So bury yourself in Saakashvili and don’t take out your tongue ... It stinks.
                2. Rattenfanger
                  Rattenfanger 30 May 2013 16: 11 New
                  +5
                  No, they did not bother you in him.
                3. Rattenfanger
                  Rattenfanger 30 May 2013 16: 15 New
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                  By the way, hot Caucasian guys, why did you even have the cops with firemen from Zugdidi running away?
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 30 May 2013 20: 43 New
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                    Quote: Rattenfanger
                    By the way, hot Caucasian guys, why did you even have the cops with firemen from Zugdidi running away?


                    They ran away right, thanks to them for this, there’s nothing to shed blood for the idiot and American noodles. It would be even more correct not to resort at all.
                  2. andrejwz
                    andrejwz 31 May 2013 01: 32 New
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                    Quote: Rattenfanger
                    By the way, hot Caucasian guys, why did you even have the cops with firemen from Zugdidi running away?

                    Syndrome "Gentlemen of Fortune": "Everyone ran and I ran!"
                4. shamil
                  shamil 30 May 2013 18: 59 New
                  +1
                  opportunists
                5. Phantom Revolution
                  Phantom Revolution 30 May 2013 22: 22 New
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                  Quote: dc120mm
                  Excuse me, did you take the toilet with macho?

                  Urine? Are you talking about Georgian wine? And about the toilets, Georgia probably proud of them so?
                  1. Borat
                    Borat 31 May 2013 08: 54 New
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                    Quote: Phantom Revolution
                    And about the toilets, Georgia probably proud of them so?

                    And what, Georgians know how to use the toilet ?!
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                7. Revolver
                  Revolver 31 May 2013 00: 45 New
                  +2
                  Quote: dc120mm
                  Excuse me, did you take the toilet with macho?

                  Chill out, daragoy. Bite off a tie - helps with nervous diseases.
              2. Andrey57
                Andrey57 30 May 2013 16: 06 New
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                These "excellent warriors" throw their wounded in Kosovo at the first sneeze. hi
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 30 May 2013 16: 08 New
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                  You can in more detail, plz. With links
                  1. Phantom Revolution
                    Phantom Revolution 30 May 2013 22: 28 New
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                    Quote: Pimply
                    You can in more detail, plz. With links


                    3: 30 Hamer the CIA blew up, and partners ran away leaving their own.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 05 New
                      -5
                      OBS, as always.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 06: 44 New
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                        Quote: Pimply
                        OBS, as always.

                        No, somewhere even this video was.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 31 May 2013 13: 36 New
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                        Video of how to drop? Here comes the commentary in a voiceover. Sasha, I'm sorry, in connection with the official hysteria about the United States and the knowledge of how such films are made - I believe little.
              3. Rattenfanger
                Rattenfanger 30 May 2013 16: 19 New
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                You now, having seen enough of the program Our in Kosovo, talk about thugs from SAD. CIA, I mean. And their warriors pull to the end.
                In general, neglect of a potential enemy is more likely characteristic of people who are infinitely far from the army. My opinion is subjective, and not necessarily true.
              4. Fidain
                Fidain 31 May 2013 01: 16 New
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                tak gatovyat ne tolko amerikancov, legendarnie SAS, brosayut ranenix, potamu chto oni abuza i meshayut vipolnyat prikaz ili takticheski octupat (ili prosto bezhat) smotrya kogda kak
            3. Homo
              Homo 30 May 2013 16: 21 New
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              [quote = Rattenfanger] Americans, so that they don’t write about them, are great fighters. Not all, of course. But still.
              Please enlighten how these excellent fighters distinguished themselves - except for Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 30 May 2013 16: 28 New
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                Are you going to finally take a course in military history?
              2. ultra
                ultra 30 May 2013 16: 48 New
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                Quote: Homo
                how did these great warriors differ - except for Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

                We must give them their due, a very well-organized and equipped army, with military experience above the roof, with a well-honed concept of warfare. And from the fact that we will write that they are “worthless” warriors and publish this kind of photo they are weaker, unfortunately, will not ! hi
                1. Blackgrifon
                  Blackgrifon 30 May 2013 19: 34 New
                  +3
                  "And from the fact that we will write that they are" worthless "warriors and publish this kind of photo they are weaker, unfortunately, will not" - you need to study the enemy, to know his methods of struggle. Knowledge is power!
              3. Blackgrifon
                Blackgrifon 30 May 2013 19: 34 New
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                "[quote = Rattenfanger] Americans, so that they don’t write about them, are great fighters. Not all, of course. But still.
                Please enlighten how these excellent fighters distinguished themselves - besides Hiroshima and Nagasaki? "- I don’t like Americans, but you shouldn’t refuse them as troops - when you have to fight well enough.
                They fought well in the Pacific during WWII; a number of units showed themselves well on the Western Front. They did not run in Korea.

                Their advantages:
                - well-developed troop supply,
                - a strong fleet
                - numerous aircraft (especially a large number of helicopters),
                - powerful propaganda (we have this direction after the 90s in its infancy),
                - an excellent allowance system for officers and sergeants,
                - A large number of modern weapons and the massive introduction of modern technology.
                - they use divisions, and not just scanty, stupid brigades.
                PS: their human rights defenders do not clap their hands in joy when the native army suffers defeats and does not allow themselves to insult veterans during national holidays, and the country's population has at least some unifying idea.

                Cons:
                - losses have a very large impact (more than in the Russian Armed Forces) on morale,
                - the Armed Forces are many foreigners seeking citizenship,
                - great confidence in digital technologies,
                - great conceit and eternal underestimation of the enemy,
                - the enemy’s civilian population is not non-combatants for the Yankees - civilian fire is practically not punished.

                Knowing and respecting your enemy is not a weakness, but a step towards victory over him!
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 30 May 2013 19: 56 New
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                  There are relatively few foreigners. I want to dispel some myths.

                  For starters, there are those who have green cards and who do not.
                  Those who have green cards - about 2%, according to the latest data, there are about 24000 people. The difference in the period of obtaining citizenship is extremely insignificant. Five years outside the army, three in it.

                  In total in the US Armed Forces - 1 people. Until 462, there were no people without a Green Card or citizenship. Then the United States had a need for translators and medical staff.
                  In early 2009, the Pentagon actually announced a pilot project for the admission of non-immigrants to the army. They took 700 translators and 115 medical workers. Then the project was frozen.

                  Recently he was resurrected again, but the restrictions there are very severe - language, specialty, training, etc.

                  As for the last point - also a myth. Both the percentage of investigations and the number of sentences handed down are quite high.

                  Self-conceit and underestimation is debatable here; they have been working on operations carefully since recently. Although, if we give a general assessment, this approach in neglect of the enemy is characteristic of most military men.
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 30 May 2013 23: 11 New
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                    There are relatively few foreigners. I want to dispel some myths.

                    Zhenya, greenback give almost the first year of service in the army, as soon as you go into the army, then apply for it.
                    Conceit and underestimation - this is debatable

                    Not Zhen, there is no doubt, they even managed to lose the helicopter even when the terrorist terrorist Namba 1 was captured wink The same film based on real events based on the “fall of the black hawk”, the same was hoped for by the hope that, in the end, nothing of the planned was fulfilled (but the enemy was crumbled well, there is no doubt)
                    such an approach in neglect of the enemy is peculiar to most military

                    This is yes, especially our hats, all the same it is necessary to sensibly evaluate the forces, the morale is nothing against the equipment, during the Second World War they tried to destroy the German cavalry with cavalry hi it is necessary to develop everything in a complex, otherwise we extol our screws to the skies, and we lower American lasers, we must think rationally.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 33 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Joker
                      Zhenya, they give grinka almost in the first year of military service, as soon as you go to the army, you submit documents to it


                      Green card and citizenship are two different things. You can’t enter the army without a green card. With the exception of the aforementioned program, which has been operating since 2012 and has a number of severe restrictions.

                      Quote: Joker
                      Not Zhenya, it’s indisputable here, even when they captured the Namba 1 terrorist, they managed to lose the helicopter The same film based on real events, based on the “fall of the black hawk,” they hoped for the same reason, as a result they didn’t fulfill anything planned (but they crushed the enemy well, there is no doubt)

                      Helicopter crashes in mountainous areas, and even in such difficult conditions, are not uncommon. The important thing is that they had a safety net for this case in the form of ordinary helicopters.

                      Quote: Joker
                      This is yes, especially to our haters, all the same, we need to appraise our forces sensibly, morale is nothing against technology, German tanks had already tried to destroy the cavalry in the Second World War, we need to comprehensively develop everything, otherwise we are extolling our cogs to the skies, and we must lower the American lasers more rationally think.

                      About that, in general, I’m talking about.
                  2. Blackgrifon
                    Blackgrifon 30 May 2013 23: 14 New
                    +1
                    “As regards the last point, it’s also a myth. The percentage of investigations and the number of sentences handed down are high enough.” - The bombing of civilian targets during recent companies is a prime example. Striking columns of refugees in Serbia, the real genocide in Vietnam - they did little to the Tribunals on these facts.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 36 New
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                      Have you studied the statistics of the affairs of the US military prosecutor?

                      Striking civilians as a mistake is not uncommon. Given the emergence of precision weapons, the number of civilian casualties has decreased. Previously, their number reached 90% of total losses.

                      About the Vietnam War - maybe we better not. Because the majority of people with whom they are talking do not know anything about her except for slogans. For example, almost no one knows what the Paris Agreements are.
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 1 June 2013 01: 36 New
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                  .... this time with you completely solas! always would be so ..))) drinks
              4. Avenger711
                Avenger711 30 May 2013 20: 51 New
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                Magadishu 1993, for example. But there were also guys on average 19 years of age, for whom this fight was the first.
                1. Blackgrifon
                  Blackgrifon 30 May 2013 23: 16 New
                  +1
                  "Magadishu 1993, for example. But there were also guys on average 19 years old for whom this fight was the first." - the operation was carried out by the rangers - if I do not confuse, this is something like our airborne forces. In addition, I already wrote above in battle, they are able to show themselves well - you can not underestimate them.
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 30 May 2013 23: 26 New
                    +1
                    Rangers conducted - if not confusing, it is something like our Airborne.

                    No, the Rangers are an analog of the GRU, an analog of the Airborne Forces they have marines.
            4. zvereok
              zvereok 30 May 2013 19: 59 New
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              As warriors, they are good, as professionals. And this is a consequence of a steaming printing press. Let’s look at the war of these pros, drop the us army budget to 100 yards of greenery.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 30 May 2013 20: 07 New
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                Why would he fall?
                Do not read these tales about printing presses. Won Zimbabwe turned on the machine - did it help them? No, it only created inflation. The United States can have such a military budget, because it is the largest economy in the world, and their economy is not only the financial sector.
                1. Avenger711
                  Avenger711 30 May 2013 21: 18 New
                  +2
                  This is because Zimbabwe’s money didn’t fall for anyone in the world, and dollars are still being used, and importing them into the USA is problematic, which is why all the oligarchs are in London, not the USA.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 30 May 2013 21: 33 New
                    +1
                    Fine. We continue the lesson in economics. And why do they all use them?
                    1. Avenger711
                      Avenger711 30 May 2013 22: 01 New
                      +1
                      Because it is so established. And let China take the first place as many as you like, few will accept its yuan. The point is not just in the machine, but in order for these dollars not to get anything from the USA itself.
                    2. Pimply
                      Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 07 New
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                      That's right. That is why China is so desperately trying to suck in yuan everywhere, and so feverishly increases domestic consumption. Well, thank God, everything is fine with the economy. Unlike most people sitting on the site.
                  2. dmitreach
                    dmitreach 30 May 2013 22: 36 New
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                    because according to the results of the redivision of the world, after the Second World War, for one of the victorious countries - "the war became a mother".
                    (World War I devoured, killed or weakened several empires. World War II - redrawed the world)
                  3. Pimply
                    Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 05 New
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                    Why for one?
                  4. dmitreach
                    dmitreach 31 May 2013 01: 43 New
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                    Do you want to say that there were huge financial injections into the USSR economy from third countries?
                    Take the trouble to google: how much did the "len-lease" credit line service cost for the British, and in what year was the debt repaid?
            5. Andrey Energiya
              Andrey Energiya 30 May 2013 22: 43 New
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              Since the economy is generally tight I look, they told you correctly do not look at this nonsense about printing presses. Yes, maybe you think that the money of any country should be provided with gold, so I will disappoint the money of any country that provides the GDP of this country, and the United States provides its own dollar with its economy
          2. ultra
            ultra 30 May 2013 22: 55 New
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            Quote: Pimply
            and their economy is not only the financial sector.

            Industrial production in the structure of US GDP is slightly more than 20%, and 75 is in the service sector.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 09 New
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              Comparison with the industrial production of other countries, as of 2010: [8]
              US - $ 3 billion
              China - $ 2 billion
              Japan - $ 1 billion
              Germany - $ 921 billion
              Brazil - $ 560 billion
              Russia - $ 539 billion

              And the service sector includes, for example, the development of new technologies, medicines, etc.
      2. OTAKE
        OTAKE 1 June 2013 10: 53 New
        +1
        well done, forced to peace, phone, berets, kamok, toilet bowl, women's underpants, slippers and toilet paper.
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach 30 May 2013 16: 19 New
      +4
      Eugene,
      But what happened before Photoshop.

      Colonel, write on the honors board to Guderian and Feder Von Bock? What? Someone argues that the Nazis are bad warriors? Moscow was examined with binoculars ...
      Or wait until Colonel General becomes?
      Oh yes !, I forgot ... they have the same "Brigadier General" ... Like there are differences from the Reich ...
      3'14 they don’t heat the stoves themselves, again ..
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 30 May 2013 16: 21 New
        -6
        Once again I ask, now you have - have you prepared many hats?
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 30 May 2013 16: 29 New
          +4
          for winter and colds? enough. ears will not freeze.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 30 May 2013 16: 37 New
            +1
            Yeah. Only wars do not win with caps
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 30 May 2013 16: 45 New
              0
              for winter and colds? enough. ears will not freeze.

              I use them for their intended purpose.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 30 May 2013 16: 57 New
                +1
                Judging by the comments - it doesn't seem
              2. dmitreach
                dmitreach 30 May 2013 17: 27 New
                +1
                And I'm judging by the weather outside the window, and not by the comments on the Internet. So to speak - I believe my eyes. Especially in the autumn-winter period. Have you already forgotten in Israel that Russia is a northern country? And here is General Frost?
                You will plan to Russia, exclusively on a visit, do not stock up for caps. There is a cold welcome.
              3. Pimply
                Pimply 30 May 2013 18: 04 New
                0
                I live in Moscow.
                Sorry, but I don’t see the reason to go to flood. Stupid waste of time. Total. Keep saving caps
              4. dmitreach
                dmitreach 30 May 2013 18: 06 New
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                About how!
                So it seems he served in Israel? Or am I confusing what?
                but I don’t see the point of going into flood.

                But why was it about hats to start? hi
            2. Andrey Energiya
              Andrey Energiya 30 May 2013 22: 56 New
              -3
              Well, only in the cold they hoped that the army would be poached, and not with modern army equipment and supplies, as it were, in the cold, then poker and whether it was a Russian or American German soldier, I re-read your comments and clearly understood for yourself if you were in the army the maximum is ordinary, well, it’s not really understandable what we were already doing when we considered the enemy weak, as a result, we lost several times more people in the war and in general almost broke us
            3. dmitreach
              dmitreach 31 May 2013 01: 35 New
              0
              poorly read. or manner of making hasty conclusions.
    3. Manager
      Manager 30 May 2013 17: 05 New
      +3
      Quote Report Site Violation

      What do you stick to hats? You have some kind of hatcoophilia!
      Nati, enjoy!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 30 May 2013 17: 07 New
        +2
        I have hatco-philia in the case of senseless flooding against the background of cheers-patriotism. Show where you started it? Instead of a real assessment of the Georgian army, and under what section of the rules of the site does it fall?
      2. Manager
        Manager 30 May 2013 17: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        me shakkofiliya in the case of a meaningless flood against the backdrop of cheers-patriotism.

        Nifiga like that, Georgia is an exception. I can’t take them seriously. Either hate after they have done or humor. Let offensive for them.
        In this article, I have chosen the second. For rude and spitting in their direction did not want to.
        I don’t know about you, but I will never forget neither our guys who were killed there from shots in the back, nor killed women and children.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 30 May 2013 17: 21 New
        0
        Do not take it seriously in vain. Khrulev survived by a miracle. 4 to 6 downed aircraft.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 17: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: Pimply
      Instead of a real assessment of the Georgian army

      The real assessment of the Georgian army was 08.08.08. By the way, many military analysts, before the well-known events, called the Georgian army, the most powerful in the Caucasus. Now they have revised their opinion wassat
    5. Yarbay
      Yarbay 30 May 2013 18: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      By the way, many military analysts, before the well-known events, called the Georgian army, the most powerful in the Caucasus. Now they have revised their opinion

      I also saw on Russian TV and the media how in 90 years they also called * the armies * of South Ossetia and Nagorno-Karabakh the strongest in the Caucasus!
      these assessments are political, order and take them seriously to respect yourself!
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 18: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Yarbay
      I also saw on Russian TV and the media how in 90 years they also called * the armies * of South Ossetia and Nagorno-Karabakh the strongest in the Caucasus!

      Alibek, in those years and grief there are enough Analysts. I look at the victories of the history of one army or another. If there are only defeats, there’s nothing to say.
  2. Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 30 May 2013 19: 56 New
    +4
    “The real assessment of the Georgian army was 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. By the way, many-war analysts, prior to the well-known events, called the Georgian army the most powerful in the Caucasus. Now they have reconsidered their opinion” - at that moment it could not be considered weak. If our peacekeepers and Ossetians did not detain the Georgians, they would have to seriously fight.

    Otherwise, it seems that the Georgians and their allies were 90% sure that Russia would “forget” about the peacekeepers.
    The underestimation of the Russian army by the Americans is striking - earlier on the site there was an interview with a Russian-speaking American commando, so he still regretted that they were not allowed to protect Georgia! And this despite the fact that modern warfare presupposes, first of all, the most powerful, massive and most importantly SUDDLE strike on the defending enemy, if he has modern weapons.
    Our army then and now is significantly weakened (especially now after the reforms of the "carpenter"), but it is able to adequately respond to the enemy. In 2008 and now the only army that poses a real threat to Russia in the western direction is the American army. NATO allies (with the exception of the troops of England, France and Germany, but they are not numerous) are inferior in all respects to the Russian Armed Forces - this is not bragging and hatred, but the real picture - who does not agree study the sources and assessments of the EU Armed Forces and the estimates of the American military about the Russian army during the "cooperation" in Yugoslavia. In an extreme case, a victory over Russia would be for the “winners” a pyrrhic victory, regardless of whether the Russian armed forces used nuclear weapons or not.

    PS: One of the issues of the magazine “Soldier of Fortune” described the arrival of a military expert from one Scandinavian country at the location of Russian troops during 1QV. The expert got acquainted with the situation and said that in such conditions it is impossible to fight! To the remarks of our military that during the war, good conditions are not always possible and for this expert to do this, enter his country into the war, the Scandinavian said: “I’ll leave for Denmark. I have relatives there. ”
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 06: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Blackgrifon
    . The expert got acquainted with the situation and said that in such conditions it is impossible to fight!

    Why? And I realized there is no dry closet and Conder in DotA laughing
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 17: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: Pimply
    Only wars do not win with caps

    Eugene, the soldiers win with sheepskin coats and felt boots, the French and Germans will confirm this to you. Many of them froze on our land. And all for some reason, there were no hats, and boots. laughing
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 30 May 2013 18: 06 New
      0
      Wars are won first of all by preparation, and not by slogans and throwing caps. In the USSR, before the war there were a lot of slogans about how easy it is to smash everyone. Remind the initial result?
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 18: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      Wars are primarily won by training,

      Well cooked Georgian pros and what?
    3. dmitreach
      dmitreach 30 May 2013 18: 33 New
      0
      These "pros" themselves about the Georgians did not speak flatteringly. (how about wars)
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 30 May 2013 18: 55 New
      +1
      Rather, about their approach to learning.
    5. dmitreach
      dmitreach 30 May 2013 19: 33 New
      0
      but...
      I was thinking about nepotism and theft, with Georgian national flavor ...
  • Pimply
    Pimply 30 May 2013 18: 54 New
    0
    The parts that they prepared showed themselves very well in all reviews. You prepared nothing at all for the troops, most of which at that time were on foreign missions in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Another thing is that the concept of a contract army for such a conflict, with the intervention of external forces, is not suitable. As well as the general equipment of the army, and training.
  • ultra
    ultra 30 May 2013 22: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    , showed themselves in all reviews very well.

    Where did they show? And who wrote the reviews? Weren't those who taught them?
  • Joker
    Joker 30 May 2013 23: 17 New
    +2
    There were a lot of slogans in the USSR before the war, about how easily we could break everything.

    There were no slogans for Zhen, they hoped to the last that the war would bypass, but not bypass sad I won't remember who was stupid anymore, how much you can grind the same topic. But still survived and won almost the whole of Europe.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 39 New
    0
    There were. It is enough to see the newspapers of those years, read books or watch movies. Everything is very clear - flying tanks, massive parachute landings, the enemy is thrown back and defeated.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 30 May 2013 16: 19 New
    0
    I haven’t been to Chechnya. There is room to grow.
  • SANAY
    SANAY 30 May 2013 16: 59 New
    +3
    And here on the photo the uncle is more serious.
  • Mikado
    Mikado 30 May 2013 17: 33 New
    0
    well, to be honest, I didn’t see anything impressive in his merits, on the contrary, a colonel, not a staffer, 20 years in the army, he fought in Afghanistan and Iraq and has only two awards, and one of them is foreign - he was clearly awarded for departure "in a hot spot, and the second, although military, is by no means of the highest dignity. There, ordinary children who have won at the forefront will have more awards, let alone Fathers with twenty years of experience.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 30 May 2013 18: 46 New
      +6
      He has not two awards. I have indicated two, among others. Do you want the whole iconostasis?
      I ask

      Clarke's awards and decorations include the Legion of Merit, Bronze Star Medal (with 4 Oak Leaf Clusters), Meritorious Service Medal (with 4 Oak Leaf Clusters), Air Medal, Army Commendation Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters), Army Achievement Medal ( with 7 Oak Leaf Clusters), National Defense Service Medal (with Bronze Star), Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and Afghanistan Service Medal. He has been awarded the Air Assault Badge, Combat Infantryman's Badge (2nd Award), Expert Infantryman Badge, Master Parachutist Badge, Military Freefall Parachutist Badge and the Ranger Tab.

      Nothing significant, absolutely true. Some kind of order of the Legion of Honor, some kind of bronze star - for heroism on the battlefield, and which one, that the second, just do not give. Bronze star - with 4 oak leaves. This means that he was awarded to her five times.

      Another point. Wars do not win medals. Not with a bang-patriotism and shouts "but, army of homosexuals". Not a photoshop then colonel of the 75th ranger regiment. And tactics and preparation. Heroism is someone’s miscalculation when preparing an operation, as a rule. In a good war there should be no place for heroism. Like medals.

      They have many such officers. And given that in certain areas it is either a potential adversary or an instructor of a potential adversary, neglect of it is stupid. Such an opponent must be soberly evaluated, and respected.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 30 May 2013 20: 12 New
        +1
        You indicated two medals, it follows from this that these are his highest awards. And judging by the name of the rest, which can be attributed to the "senior", it is. In our country, all worthy people have not been awarded the Legion of Honor, starting from Yeltsin and ending with Konchalovsky, apparently both have received heroism on the battlefield. So this award is not an indicator. But a bronze star, an honorary medal, but it can be awarded not for heroism on the battlefield, but for a "meritorious deed", in general an analogue of our medal "For Military Merit". We have such colonels, with a whole set of jubilee and senior medals, with a couple of medals "For Military Merit", every first probably. For a person who has gone through two wars, this is extremely small; he either sat in the headquarters or something else. I understand that they have a lot of worthy and brave people, just this example is very unsuccessful. If you want to discover the "real face" of those with whom you suddenly have to fight, it would be better if you cited Paul Ray Smith as an example
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 May 2013 20: 21 New
          0
          I cited Clark as an example, because in the photographed pink photograph he is. Is this still not clear?
          Was the medal "For Military Merit" in the ranking of the USSR military awards fourth in rank?
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 30 May 2013 22: 27 New
            0
            and the US bronze star medal is ranked fourth? Do not get fooled by wikipedia. Although, even there it says that she is the NINTH among all US awards. In general, it is already the whole 15th in a row (or even further). Smoke here

            http://army.armor.kiev.ua/forma-2/us-nagrady-2.shtml

            And as I said, Clark is a bad example, the position is not small, it seems like he even fought, but the rewards for this kind of officer are pshyk. We draw conclusions.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 11 New
              +1
              5 combat, and 10th in the military, we will be more accurate. So?
            2. Mikado
              Mikado 31 May 2013 00: 07 New
              +1
              To be more precise, after the medal of honor, after the "cross", after the "medal of outstanding service", after the silver star, after the medal of "excellent service", after the "soldier's medal" it turns out to be the eighth. And if we count how the Americans believe that it is more fair, it turns out that the same “cross” is not one medal, but three for different troops, and although it has one essence, they have different seniority, just like the soldier’s medals and medals of honor, so that a bronze star medal is obtained at best in 15th place, and note, it is awarded not only for a real battle.
  • Victor
    Victor 30 May 2013 18: 04 New
    +8
    Quote: Pimply
    This is about teachers, so that there are no illusions and hatred


    Popyrchaty, I will give you an example of my guard commander, General Vostrotin Valery Alexandrovich. And at the same time, there are not one hundred people like him in Russia. Dial such a hundred in the mattress.

    Sverdlovsk Suvorov Military School (1971)
    Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School (he was deputy platoon commander with the rank of senior sergeant; graduated with honors) (1975)
    Military Academy M.V. Frunze (graduated with honors) (1985)
    Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (1994)
    Biography [edit]
    1975-1982 - commander of an airborne platoon, deputy company commander, company commander, assistant chief of staff, chief of staff — deputy battalion commander, battalion commander of the 345th separate guards paratrooper regiment;
    1982-1985 - student of the Military Academy. M.V. Frunze;
    1985-1986 - chief of staff — deputy commander, Commander of the 300th Guards Parachute Regiment;
    September 1986 — May 1989 - commander of the 345th separate guards paratrooper regiment;
    1989 — 1992 - Commander of the 98th Guards Airborne Division;
    1992-1994 - student of the Military Academy of the General Staff;
    From 1994 to October 2003 - served as Deputy Minister of the Russian Federation for Civil Defense, Emergencies and Disaster Management. (He supervised the personnel policy of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia, the system of training and education of personnel, training in educational institutions of the Ministry of Emergencies, as well as work in the field of security of functioning of all parts of the system of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia)
    On December 7, 2003, he was elected to the State Duma of the Russian Federation of the fourth convocation on the federal list of the electoral association Party Unity and Fatherland.

    Guard Colonel General, a participant in the fighting as part of a limited contingent of Soviet troops in Afghanistan, a company commander took part in the assault on Amin’s palace in December 1979, and also oversaw the actions of the 9th company in a battle for a height of 3234; He was wounded twice (once - seriously). The military ranks are senior lieutenant, captain, major and colonel assigned ahead of schedule.

    He played the major role of Major Gusarov in the 1993 Black Shark feature film. He played the role of general in the film The Way.

    In early October, he was elected chairman of the "Union of Russian Paratroopers" and from October 4, 2011, he assumed the duties of chairman [1].
    Awards [edit]

    Colonel General Valery Vostrotin and Dmitry Baranovsky on Red Square
    Hero of the Soviet Union with the awarding of the Order of Lenin and the badge of special distinction - the "Gold Star" medal (1988)
    Order "For Merit to the Fatherland" IV degree (2008)
    Order of Courage
    The Order "For Military Merit"
    Order of the Red Banner (1980)
    Two Orders of the Red Star
    Order "For Service to the Homeland in the Armed Forces of the USSR" III degree
    Order "Star" III degree of the Republic of Afghanistan [2]
    Medals
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 30 May 2013 18: 56 New
      -5
      AND? Is Russia going to fight this general? Or with some kind of army he trained?
      We are talking about the fact that pictures and waving flags will not change the fact that the Americans, no matter how they are called there, are highly professional military men. And ignoring it is stupid.
      And now you give an example of not a military one, but a civil one, by the way. Chairman of the Veteran Organization.
      1. Victor
        Victor 30 May 2013 19: 16 New
        +7
        Quote: Pimply
        AND? Is Russia going to fight this general? Or with some kind of army he trained?

        On the experience of this general, during the period of Afghan events, your favorite mattresses studied. None of the real military on this site is engaged in hat-making, but nobody is going to overestimate the level of tactical and strategic ability of the American military. I have worked with Americans more than once, including in planning military operations during peacekeeping missions. Good normal preparation, but nothing more. There is nothing supernatural in them and they are nothing superior to our officer corps, so do not tell the myths to the children on the website about the striped omnipotence. Your love for Americans should not turn into an idolization. Especially on a site full of professional military personnel.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 May 2013 19: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Victor
          There is nothing supernatural in them and they do not surpass our officer corps in any way, so do not tell myths to children on the website about the striped omnipotence. Your love for Americans should not turn into an idolization. Especially on a site full of professional military personnel.


          Do not transfer your complexes to me, please. Did I indicate somewhere that they are superior to radically Russian officers, or was I talking about American omnipotence? I just perfectly imagine their strengths and weaknesses, and try to evaluate these guys soberly, not exalting, but not diminishing their strengths and weaknesses.

          However, the vast majority believes that if you post otfotoshoplennye photos, but laugh at the fact that they have open gays can serve, it will somehow change the American army. Let’s then close our eyes and say: "I don’t see you, then you are not. So, I won." So, it turns out?
        2. Andrey Energiya
          Andrey Energiya 30 May 2013 22: 51 New
          0
          here the fact of the matter is that mattresses learn from the experience not only of their own but also of the experience of foreign armies including ours, and we don’t even want to transfer our experience to future soldiers and officers
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 May 2013 22: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        We are talking about the fact that pictures and waving flags will not change the fact that the Americans, no matter how they are called there, are highly professional military men. And ignoring it is stupid.

        Here I completely agree with you!
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 30 May 2013 16: 36 New
    +5
    Quote: ..Author Leonid Nersisyan ..
    own infantry fighting vehicles (BMP) "Lazika"


    These are the times from which fright? Everyone knows that this Lazika modernization of purchased obsolete French BMX AMX-10P, the French after a series of modernizations of the BMX AMX-10P, came to the conclusion that g ... it is g ... so they started to sell their fleet ...






  • SANAY
    SANAY 30 May 2013 16: 58 New
    -3
    Bliiiiiiin! I do not want to offend anyone, but this is a monopenisual uncle-woman ...
  • dmitreach
    dmitreach 30 May 2013 20: 47 New
    0
    deliberately got confused (with the suggestion of Eugene) and opened both photos in a shop ... the shape of the face is different on the cheekbones.
    re-drawn:
    eye shape (pink set closer);
    eyebrows (completely different);
    eye color and shape;
    lip shape;
    chin and cheekbones (cheeks) ...

    there are similarities (gorges, Adam's apple, beret)

    In short.
    It seems that they took Clark's photo as the basis and glued the face (namely the face, without ears) of another crank. (otherwise not justifiably complicated alteration)
    But why?
    The author of the collage, if this is still a collage, pinned over the topic of the law allowing to serve 3'14s in the Omerigi army or personally over Clark?
    A collage wandered in our tyrnets in the wake of the advent of law approving sodomy in the army of the United States of Omerigi. If Clark is deeply modernized in the photo, then the question arises: the photo is the most typical for the CSO military, such literally - in terms of the number of military personnel, why take Clark as the basis? What distinguished this military man before the comedian - the author?
    Clark, in some original way, involved in the adoption of the law for 3'14 times?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 30 May 2013 20: 55 New
      +3
      Just a convenient photo for Photoshop. The face in the front, the front photo, the extra details are few.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 30 May 2013 22: 40 New
        0
        so it’s typical (official, made at the expense of the USA, probably) for a US soldier. There is a "flow", like a passport. as children are photographed in kindergarten, so here. MASS, STANDARD.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 13 New
          +1
          There is such a thing: Format. In the same way they photograph for example government officials. Do you think this is somewhat bad in relation to official photos?
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 31 May 2013 01: 47 New
            0
            fir-trees ...
            again:
            Why was Clark supposed to be the basis? What distinguished this military man before the comedian - the author?
            Clark, in some original way, involved in the adoption of the law for 3'14 times?

            for
            It seems that they took Clark's photo as the basis and glued the face (namely the face, without ears) of another crank. (otherwise not justifiably complicated alteration)
            But why?
            The author of the collage, if this is still a collage, pinned over the topic of the law allowing to serve 3'14s in the Omerigi army or personally over Clark?
            A collage wandered in our tyrnets in the wake of the advent of law approving sodomy in the army of the United States of Omerigi. If the photo is deeply modernized, yet Clark, then the question arises: the most typical photo for servicemen of the SSS, such literally - by the number of military personnel,
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 30 May 2013 16: 23 New
    +1
    Well, damn it like in the movies))))
    Armored vehicles Didgori and Shamkori, infantry fighting vehicles (BMP) Lazika of their own production, T-72 tanks of Israeli modification, BMP-2, Czech self-propelled artillery installations Dana, American military SUVs Hammer, BTR were presented -80, modern American MRAP armored vehicles, multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) BM-21 Grad and their Georgian counterparts. In the end, Su-25 attack aircraft and Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters appeared in the sky. And all this Georgia wants to give us? laughing
  • luka095
    luka095 30 May 2013 19: 52 New
    0
    The inscription was made by examiners, not teachers.
  • Quiet
    Quiet 30 May 2013 21: 23 New
    0
    Grad "and their Georgian copies

    Let them try to make fun of copies !!! Paul of Istanbul will be in ruins !!!! am
    In response, the Turks will cut the Sahak clan to the seventh generation !!! am fool laughing
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  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 30 May 2013 15: 07 New
    +4
    It would also be nice to learn a native language, otherwise you can’t master a complicated technique on time.
  • mamba
    mamba 30 May 2013 15: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: lvn321
    Comrades Georgians! enormous prose to you: buy the latest weapons. Yes, don’t try to wind it up, you’ll still break it, then sweat it.

    And it is better not to open the packaging and do not re-preserve. So be it, we will do it ourselves, free of charge, after transportation to our bases and research institutes.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 30 May 2013 17: 08 New
      +5
      The foundation of any army is a soldier and officer, that is, a man. Without assessing the psychophysical state of these components, talking about the strength of the sun is pointless. What did the war show on 08.08.08? She showed that the morale of the Georgian army is extremely low. Nobody ironed the Georgians with carpet bombing, burned villages and did not cut prisoners' heads, the soldiers simply fled, throwing weapons. So, whether the Georgians will buy heavy weapons or not, until they are ready to die for the balcony that Sahak carries, then there is no army. Honestly, it seems to me that they were throwing weapons, because they understood: there’s nothing to die for.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 30 May 2013 17: 24 New
        +3
        Not really. The trained brigades retreated in a very organized manner - but there were relatively few of them. Mostly reservists and poorly trained regular units fled. Here, in many respects, the issue of training was - and the Georgians had really few well trained soldiers.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 30 May 2013 17: 40 New
          +8
          Well, I can still agree that the mountains of small arms - reservists abandoned ...
          But TANKS? Didn’t you deliver the fuel? Or maybe they were undermined / cunningly mined to claim that this is a tactical device ...
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 30 May 2013 17: 43 New
            +1
            the same, see, "they didn’t deliver fuel" ...
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 30 May 2013 18: 48 New
            +1
            A tank, without air cover, is a target. Such a great target. A tank needs crews. Do you know that a tank usually does not go far under its own power?
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 30 May 2013 19: 36 New
              +4
              Eugene, I understand when I read reasonable comments from you on the essence of the matter ... but here ... a dispute for the sake of the dispute? back to the topic of hats? (there is at least a priori humor)
            2. Vadivak
              Vadivak 30 May 2013 22: 45 New
              +4
              Quote: Pimply
              Do you know that a tank usually does not go far under its own power?


              Eugene and where to go far in Georgia? The T-72 has a cruising range of 500 km, with all 700 suspended, only 120 km from Tskhinval to Tbilisi
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 14 New
                0
                Vadim, did you forget about the superiority of Russian aviation in the air? On the map - 120. In life - oh how more than 8)
          3. Quiet
            Quiet 2 June 2013 18: 05 New
            0
            to argue that this is a tactical device ...

            "Right" did !!!! Let Russia spend money on the maintenance of trophy trash !!!! Only this does not ruin Russia !!! Upgrades and sells In ,,,,,, good
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 17: 47 New
          11
          Quote: Pimply
          The trained brigades retreated in a very organized manner

          Yeah, organized all the way to Tbilisi wassatAnd the fact that they threw equipment and weapons was such garbage maneuver laughing laughing laughing
        3. wax
          wax 30 May 2013 18: 35 New
          +1
          Still very organized and efficient, hundreds of American advisers retreated across the Georgian-Armenian border.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 May 2013 17: 45 New
        +6
        Quote: Vladimirets
        What did the war show on 08.08.08? She showed that the morale of the Georgian army is extremely low. Nobody ironed Georgians with carpet bombing, burned villages and did not cut prisoners' heads, soldiers simply fled, throwing weapons


        In this I do not agree with you, but I will support Eugenius!
        I already wrote about this!
        In my opinion, the retreat of the Georgian army in those conditions was the right decision!
        Otherwise they would be surrounded and destroyed!
        Only the capture of the rocky tunnel could ensure the organized resistance of the Russian army by the Georgians, and even a little more than a week!
        The Georgians throughout the theater had neither serious fortification of the regions, nor layered defense!
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 30 May 2013 18: 04 New
          +2
          And why? But because the war was waged for the sake of the political profit of one 3'14daraza ...
        2. wax
          wax 30 May 2013 18: 38 New
          +4
          They hoped for the ass of Condoleezza Rice, who blessed them on feats.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 30 May 2013 20: 04 New
            +3
            Condomleezza Rice ...
            http://media.ifun.ru/k/v/kvt59rjm.jpg
            I will not post a picture here. For the photographer Uwe Ommer is known for his politically scandalous action.
            I will post more acceptable.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 06: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          Otherwise they would be surrounded and destroyed!

          Alibek, what can we talk about when one company takes an entire city.
          Quote: Yarbay
          The Georgians throughout the theater had neither serious fortification of the regions, nor layered defense!

          Yes, you’ll plant them at least in bunkers, there won’t be any sense. The main thing is not what kind of machine you have, but what your spirit is and whether you are ready to sacrifice yourself for the sake of the Motherland. Georgians don’t have this, they are traders, not soldiers !!!
        4. smersh70
          smersh70 1 June 2013 01: 47 New
          +3
          and according to the confirmations of the Georgians themselves, one of the shortcomings was the poor cover of the air defense of the ground units, there was a lack of elementary Arrows and IHL ..... and most importantly, the operation was prepared as a police, with an underestimation of the decision of the Russian leadership on the mass assault of the Russian Army ... ...
  • smersh70
    smersh70 1 June 2013 01: 27 New
    +1
    By the way, the regiment, whose military personnel wrote this request, has the greatest number of losses ......
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  • mcvdvlad
    mcvdvlad 30 May 2013 15: 28 New
    +4
    yes on ... im army? The saber choir is good! They don’t know how to fight, they don’t want to, they don’t have anything to fight for, let them sing better, but away from us (in the mountains of rams they frighten something)
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 30 May 2013 15: 28 New
    0
    Lessons of 2008 not assimilated. And soon the Georgians will dry the fruits of aggression from South Ossetia and Abkhazia. )))
  • Asgard
    Asgard 30 May 2013 15: 30 New
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    Marshal Baghramyan wrote to Stalin in 1942 ...
    " if in unit according to the payroll, less than half of the Slavs, then such a part cannot be a combat-ready unit and you cannot rely on it .... "(quote ..))

    this was seen in the fighting ... by the brilliant Military ...
    Stalin did not raise his glass for the "Soviet people", but for RussianWhen We Won!
    So armament is not the main thing, although if we bring the "swords" we can take advantage of this)))
    and then we are on OWN LAND, everything around is OUR and we will not give it to anyone * (even for credit debts))))

    bite it off))))
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 30 May 2013 22: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Asgard
      Marshal Baghramyan wrote to Stalin in 1942.

      During the war, troops under the command of Baghramyan were the first to reach the Baltic. To present this event more pretentiously, the Armenian general personally poured a bottle of water from the Baltic Sea and ordered his adjutant to fly to Moscow with this bottle to Stalin. He flew. But while he was flying, the Germans counterattacked and threw Baghramyan away from the Baltic coast. By the time the adjutant arrived in Moscow, they were already aware of this, but the adjutant himself did not know - there was no radio in the plane. And then the proud adjutant enters Stalin’s office and pathosly proclaims:
      - Comrade Stalin, General Baghramyan sends you Baltic water! Stalin takes the bottle, twirls it in his hands for a few seconds, then gives it back to the adjutant and says:
      - Give it back to Baghramyan, say, let it pour out where you took it.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 30 May 2013 23: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Asgard
      this was seen in the fighting ... by the brilliant Military ...

      And in what Baghramyan was a brilliant military, so that ran around the headquarters ??
      From the beginning of his service, he had neither commanded a platoon, nor a company, nor a battalion, nor a regiment, nor a division! He sat at headquarters and then when the advantage of the USSR was undeniably appointed as the commander of the front !!
      I am not at all begging for the labor and heroism of the Russian people, but all other peoples have given everything they could for the sake of this VICTORY!
      In June 1942, in Kerch, the 396th Azerbaijan Rifle Division completely died. Survived one and a half hundred people who carried the banner of the division led by Commissioner Haver Veliyev and junior political instructor Abumuslum Bakhshiyev.
      One of my grandfather’s brothers died there too!
      Another wounded sank on the ship Armenia *!
      Remember the Pamfilovites, where the majority were Kazakhs!
      And there were hundreds of such examples !!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 19 New
        +2
        Alibek, to be honest - it's annoying already. You have any Armenian - damn with horns. I understand everything, but this is a way out somewhere completely beyond. Now is there any other libel about ears? The ordinary general was, of which there were many. Is that Armenian. Twice Hero of the Soviet Union. No need to go too far.

        You have enough of your truth and your memory to not stoop to this.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 30 May 2013 23: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          Alibek, to be honest - it's annoying already. You have any Armenian - damn with horns. I understand everything, but this is a way out somewhere completely beyond. Now is there any other libel about ears? The ordinary general was, of which there were many. Is that Armenian. Twice Hero of the Soviet Union. No need to go too far.
          Show me where I wrote the lie ?? I just objected to the remark that Baghramyan was a brilliant military man!
          The brilliant military were Vasilevsky, Malinovsky, Konev, Zhukov, Rokoss
          ovsky, but not Baghramyan !!!
          Show what parts in the Second World War or even before the Second World War Baghramyan commanded?
          Perhaps he was a brave man I do not argue, but he was not a commander !!!
          For what merits and when did GSS Bagrymyan receive ??
          I studied the issue and Baghramyan and Babajanyan there were more complaints about them than their heroism and success!
          Take it yourself and study it yourself !!! Apparently, thanks to the blog, Mikoyan moved up the ranks!
          I can’t say anything about other Armenians of marshals and generals, until I have complete information!
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 1 June 2013 01: 53 New
            +2
            ... as the head of the operations department, he pissed off the South-Western Cauldron, the 1942 Kharkov operation, for which Stalin wanted to shoot him (note by Stalin Politburo), saved Zhukov from execution. having vouched for him
            but about Babadzhanyan ---- here, by the way, there was a good article on the site, which, contrary to scientists and specialists, he adopted the T-72, ... it still sounds around the world ......
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 31 May 2013 00: 20 New
          +2
          And yet Eugene’s statement by Baghramyan cited by Asgard regarding the lack of safety of parts of incomplete Russians is, in the majority, considered to be OUTDOOR MISCLAIM, for which he apparently promoted !!!
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 31 May 2013 00: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        I am not at all begging for the labor and heroism of the Russian people, but all other peoples have given everything they could for the sake of this VICTORY!

        Russia does not detract from the contribution of other peoples of the USSR to victory, it is the authorities of the former republics that are denied the Great Victory
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 31 May 2013 00: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Setrac
          Russia does not detract from the contribution of other peoples of the USSR to victory, it is the authorities of the former republics that are denied the Great Victory

          You're wrong!
          At least in my republic, this was treated and treated with great respect and reverence !!
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 06: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        And in what Baghramyan was a brilliant military, so that ran around the headquarters ??

        Alibek, if Baghramyan was not an Armenian, you would not write this crap.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 1 June 2013 01: 57 New
          +2
          .. well, if Zhukov or Chernyakhovsky would write, - no, it is HE !!!!, it is the national leader precisely against the national leaders, ...... make God pray, and he will break his forehead ....
  • 123tank
    123tank 30 May 2013 15: 30 New
    0
    The good news. Georgia is not Israel.
  • knn54
    knn54 30 May 2013 15: 31 New
    +6
    As one of the American instructors said, the one-day army.
  • Seraph
    Seraph 30 May 2013 15: 31 New
    10
    The tragedy of the situation is that both the Georgian leadership and its “allies” are not engaged in the development of Georgia, its sovereignty (including the army), but in tricking Russia. This cannot be a national idea and goal, it is not useful for the peoples of Georgia, it does not contribute to peace in the Caucasus. The guarantee of this world itself can only be a firm, peace-loving policy of Russia, reinforced by the troops of the South-East
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 30 May 2013 15: 32 New
    +4
    Technique is one thing, and the other is that Georgian warriors are masters of war only with civilians!
  • AK-47
    AK-47 30 May 2013 15: 32 New
    +3
    ... in October 2008, Georgia received a large batch of military equipment from Ukraine - up to 35 T-72 tanks ... BMZ-21 Grad MLRS, as well as ammunition and spare parts.

    Very unfriendly towards Russia. stop
  • crasever
    crasever 30 May 2013 15: 34 New
    +5
    August 2008 ... The inscription on the wall of the barracks of the 1st Georgian infantry brigade full of abandoned weapons, ammunition and ammunition: "1 infantry brigade, WHERE ARE YOU? 76 JDS" ...
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 30 May 2013 15: 34 New
    -1
    *** Many types of weapons, such as operational-tactical missile systems, or heavy MLRS, Georgia does not have at all, unlike the neighbors in the Transcaucasus - Armenia ***-Armenia has some advantage in this over Georgia thanks to Russia, and not to its economy!
    Armenia’s operational tactical missiles have long and hopelessly become obsolete!
    The professional training of Georgian special units is much higher than in Armenia!
    In aviation, the opulence is overwhelming!
    The military-industrial complex is much more developed than in Armenia!
    The equipment is also more modern !!
    So the author believes that several old Scud missiles give Armenia an advantage over Georgia ??
    Bullshit and nonsense!

    *** In modern warfare, as you know, one of the key factors is air superiority. Here lies the greatest weakness of the Georgian Armed Forces. Georgia has very limited combat aircraft, and is represented only by Su-25 attack aircraft and Mi-24 helicopters *** -and what does Armenia have in aviation ??
    Damn love you brag from scratch !!
    Mlyn disease!
    Indistinguishable!

    ** As a result, in combination with the absence of serious air forces ** -There is no more serious air force than in Armenia in Transcaucasia!
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 30 May 2013 16: 00 New
      12
      Dear Yarbay, there are enough Russian Air Forces in Armenia, and if it doesn’t seem enough, then it’s not a problem to strengthen hi And any mention of the word "Armenia" seems to annoy you.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 May 2013 16: 18 New
        +6
        Quote: Andrey57
        And any mention of the word "Armenia" seems to annoy you.

        I am well aware of the presence of a Russian military base in Armenia in details, including the aircraft located there!
        No, the author compares the armies of Transcaucasia !!
        And in this sense, Russian aviation is completely unprofitable !!
        the incompetence of the author shakes me!
        The Russian Air Force in numbers surpasses all the countries of the Caucasus several times !!
        You can not love Georgia, Azerbaijan or Armenia, but you can not write nonsense pretending to be a military analyst, as the author writes about himself !!
        with respect!
      2. gene
        gene 30 May 2013 16: 57 New
        +6
        Dear Andrei57, Yarbay’s irritation at the mention of Armenia has been going on since 1994, after the devastating defeat in Karabakh of their “heroic” and equipped with everything necessary army, therefore it is not worth wondering.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 1 June 2013 02: 13 New
          +1
          we are annoyed by that ill-conceived policy of Russia. which pushes a lot of money and weapons into a backward and destitute country, and from which there is no return, if only the "Compatriots" program was covered in Armenia, because of the mass departure of Armenians to Russia .....
          By the way, as Gryzlov said, if we silently look at the tank, in a week a devastating defeat this time in Yerevan will already date back to 2014 .....
      3. Artmark
        Artmark 30 May 2013 19: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Andrey57
        And any mention of the word "Armenia" seems to annoy you.

        Straight to the bullseye !!! hi
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 19: 52 New
          0
          Quote: ArtMark
          Straight to the bullseye !!!

          ) and any mention of the word "Georgia" is very annoying here! but Yarbey is an objective Man, unlike many others! and I do not think that he annoys the words of Armenia, but does not annoy the objectivity (Stupidity) of the Author!
          1. owl
            owl 30 May 2013 22: 06 New
            +1
            I have not heard that the word Georgia would annoy anyone in Russia, but the word Russia is definitely annoying for Georgians.
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 22: 15 New
              0
              Quote: sowa
              I didn’t hear the word Georgia annoying anyone in Russia

              on the site flogged)
              Quote: sowa
              but the word Russia is certainly annoying Georgians.

              actually no) maybe sense Saakashvili)
              1. owl
                owl 30 May 2013 22: 37 New
                0
                Dear you confuse irritation and ridicule. ))))))))))))))))
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 06: 16 New
            0
            Quote: GEOKING95
            , but the author’s annoyance is not objectivity (Stupidity)

            The author’s stupidity in calling the Georgian army an army laughing
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 17: 51 New
      +9
      Quote: Yarbay
      So the author believes that several old Scud missiles give Armenia an advantage over Georgia ??

      Alibek, Armenians will revolt Tbilisi in a week if a rebellion is needed. Georgia, at least as a weapon, one horseradish will be a choir and no more.
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 19: 43 New
        -3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Libek, Armenians will revolt Tbilisi in a week if the rebellion is necessary. Georgia, at least as a weapon, one horseradish will be a choir and no more.

        Hello Dear Alexander
        Are you serious? laughing

        if so, I will say that you are wrong))))
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: GEOKING95
          Are you serious?

          I met Sanya here, at first I had a great fight, now I consider him my friend and I will not turn away from this friendship!
          I also thought that Sanya wrote with humor, so I did not answer !!
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 21: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: Yarbay
            I met Sanya here, at first I had a great fight, now I consider him my friend and I will not turn away from this friendship!

            we also had a fight but then we understood each other! I respect him very much
        2. owl
          owl 30 May 2013 22: 39 New
          +1
          Life has shown that Alexander is right in Georgia only good can be good. But Georgians never knew how to fight.
          1. segamegament
            segamegament 30 May 2013 23: 13 New
            +1
            It all depends on motivation, during the Second World War, there are many examples of Georgian heroism!
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 31 May 2013 01: 52 New
              0
              But the current generation is fighting with monuments to their fathers.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 31 May 2013 00: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Alibek, Armenians will revolt Tbilisi in a week if a rebellion is needed.

        They can take it, but who will give them?
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 1 June 2013 02: 15 New
        +1
        ..for a week, Armenians will only get to the tip of their big nose ... laughing if of course there is enough gasoline ...........)))))
    3. bakso
      bakso 30 May 2013 19: 39 New
      +2
      Yarbay- Thank you, for your Comments, just try in vain, here is not the contingent to which you can explain something, it's like talking to the deaf, here they sleep and see how the Russian soldier destroys New York or Tbilisi, here the logic and reason do not understand , only vanity and urapatriotism, many more unpleasant words ... Live and hello dear opponents, time will put everything in its place ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: Bakso
        Yarbay- Thank you for your comments, just try in vain

        I write what I know and what I believe in!
        Maybe I'm wrong somewhere, but believe me, this is not biased!
        I hate Armenian ...... as well as fascists of any nationality with every cell of my body and soul!
        I’m not looking for support from anyone here, I’m trying to understand the position of everyone and express my position, if I don’t know something, learn, if I know something, try to pass it on to others!
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 1 June 2013 02: 17 New
        +1
        Thank you friend !!!!!! bravo !!!!!!!! 1.molodchina !!!!! 1 I will call you on fishing .... drinks
    4. segamegament
      segamegament 30 May 2013 23: 09 New
      +1
      But you rode Armenia in Karabakh, and now, after the battle, wave your fists, then ... army in general bullshit?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 31 May 2013 00: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: segamegament
        But you rode Armenia in Karabakh, and now, after the battle, wave your fists, then ... army in general bullshit?

        100 times already wrote about this!
        In the first place, the army was almost nonexistent, and more Russia was pierced at that time than Armenia!
        Just recently, Kurginyan admitted it!
        And I did everything I could!
        God willing, I have time to be there this time!
        And I’m sure we will win 100 percent!
        Now we have great fellows, we did not have 10 percent of their knowledge and capabilities that our soldiers and officers have now!
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 1 June 2013 02: 19 New
          +1
          ... as shown. starting in 1994, all 5 major clashes in the war, 3 of them are described in the book of Viktor Barents ...........
    5. smersh70
      smersh70 1 June 2013 02: 08 New
      +1
      and Armenni has very strong air forces - An-2. Il-76, L-39, without engines laughing
  • logik
    logik 30 May 2013 15: 34 New
    +2
    I don’t give a damn that we won’t be able to fight, but AMBITIONS!
  • Manager
    Manager 30 May 2013 15: 34 New
    -4
    Here he is the great Georgian warrior!
    1. Manager
      Manager 30 May 2013 16: 59 New
      0
      What time! White hat and beard, and all will not recognize their ((((
    2. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 22: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Manager
      Here he is the great Georgian warrior!
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 22: 26 New
        +5
        crying Liberation of Cantaria
        1. d_trader
          d_trader 30 May 2013 23: 12 New
          0
          Let's not talk about Abkhazia, okay? And who freed whom there .. I can remember and tell a lot about Gagra and Sukhum. Do not disturb flies with cutlets. South Ossetia is Abkhazia No. 2. in Abkhazia they didn’t understand, in Ossetia they explained to you again.
      2. builder
        builder 30 May 2013 23: 10 New
        +1
        and another 90 Georgian Heroes of the Soviet Union
      3. Manager
        Manager 31 May 2013 09: 03 New
        -1
        Quote: GEOKING95
        Geokingxnumx


        Nichrome like that. Initially, the flag was set by our "Ivan", but another person was already appointed for the photo.
    3. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 30 May 2013 22: 42 New
      0
      And he is a Bulgarian gypsy!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 May 2013 15: 36 New
    -1
    The teachers and "benefactors" of Georgians are Americans, and before the August war they armed these fighters according to NATO standards, and now they are doing the same. But all to no purpose. Standards are standards, and military professionals, apparently in Georgia, are not enough ...
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 30 May 2013 15: 52 New
    0
    *** The fleet is practically completely absent. *** -But Armenia has nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers))))))))))))))))))
    1. ronin
      ronin 30 May 2013 16: 41 New
      +3
      Does Azerbaijan have five?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 May 2013 16: 45 New
        0
        Quote: ronin
        Does Azerbaijan have five?

        Azerbaijan even has a fleet, Armenia does not even have a catamaran)))))
        1. AntonR7
          AntonR7 30 May 2013 20: 58 New
          +2
          Yarbey are you normal ?! Does Armenia have no access to the sea? And near the Caspian Sea, Azerbaijan - the fleet in the lake is very dangerous)))))
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 21: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: AntonR7
            And near the Caspian Sea, Azerbaijan - the fleet in the lake is very dangerous)))))

            The Caspian Sea (lake) is bigger than the Black Sea)))
            1. AntonR7
              AntonR7 30 May 2013 21: 06 New
              +1
              It does not matter the Black Sea is connected with the Mediterranean, and the Azerbaijani fleet in a confined space. Are you kidding?
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 21: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: AntonR7
                It does not matter the Black Sea is connected with the Mediterranean, and the Azerbaijani fleet in a confined space. Are you kidding?

                yeah) but this closed space is big)

                yes I dare))
                1. AntonR7
                  AntonR7 30 May 2013 21: 35 New
                  0
                  It’s to the extent of the size of the Caspian Sea))) if you like swimming in a bath, and the Black Sea is a way out in the middle, and then the Atlantic.
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 31 New
                -2
                Quote: AntonR7
                It does not matter the Black Sea is connected with the Mediterranean, and the Azerbaijani fleet in a confined space. Are you kidding?

                I agree in closed with 4 other states !!
                And what kind of sea does Armenia have !!
                How can one call the Georgian fleet incapacitated, while Armenia does not even have a patched boat, and how did you correctly pronounce access to the sea !!
                Armenia has Lake Sevan, even if they build at least one boat with a gun, then they compare it)))
                I repeat the question not in my attitude to Armenia, it is known to everyone here!
                The question is the incompetence of the author, proudly calling himself a military analyst!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 06: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  How can one call the incapable fleet of Georgia

                  Alibek what Georgia has cannot be called competent!
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 31 May 2013 20: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Alibek what Georgia has cannot be called competent!

                    Sanya or I do not understand writing or you are inattentively reading! Comrade * great analyst * compares the Armed Forces and the Navy of the three Transcaucasian countries !!
                    He considers his neighbor to be the most ineffective while not even having a boat with oars!
                    This is not serious!
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: AntonR7
            Yarbey are you normal ?! Does Armenia have no access to the sea? And near the Caspian Sea, Azerbaijan - the fleet in the lake is very dangerous)))))

            I'm certainly crazy!
            I was hoping you understood my humor!
            To compare the fleets of other states with no fleet is the stupidity of a friend of the author of the article !!!
            1. AntonR7
              AntonR7 30 May 2013 21: 38 New
              0
              Sorry for the harshness! But due to the geographical reasons of Armenia, there are sufficiently developed ground forces and the Air Force.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: AntonR7
                Sorry for the harshness! But due to the geographical reasons of Armenia, there are sufficiently developed ground forces and the Air Force.

                Never mind!
                But they don’t have this either!
                In addition, then why talk about the incapacity of the Georgian fleet !! ????
                What did the author compare in Armenia ???
                It is incompetent and biased !!
                It was necessary to write that Armenia does not play in the fleets at all, and not to call it incapable!
                According to anyone, in comparison with Armenia, the most incapable fleet is super power!
                Understand that the author considers himself a * military * analyst, and such statements show that he has no idea what he is talking about or that being an Armenian is biased!
                with respect!
  • Samminosh
    Samminosh 30 May 2013 16: 03 New
    +4
    Georgia urgently needs to buy Abrams tanks
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 30 May 2013 16: 10 New
      +4
      And what will they do with the Abrams? Lezgink around them to dance? laughing
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 30 May 2013 16: 34 New
        +4
        Taxing. Down the street named after Kust. (former Melaanskaya street, located in Isani-Samgorsky district of the capital of Georgia.)
        Georgia urgently needs to buy Abrams tanks

        and an aircraft carrier. the Spaniards (the trash that they sell on needles)
        but how? George and without an aircraft carrier?
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        2. dmitreach
          dmitreach 30 May 2013 16: 53 New
          +5
          Spanish Navy light aircraft carrier Principe de Asturias. With mileage. Not expensive. Urgently. New documents.
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 30 May 2013 19: 14 New
            +4
            Without run across the Russian Federation!
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 30 May 2013 19: 46 New
              0
              Without run across the Russian Federation!

              Squealed like a horse! Then he thought with his head ... and lead indeed ... a couple of years to the SF or Pacific Fleet = from Vladik through Siberia to drive a machine ... The analogy is exact!
        3. Quiet
          Quiet 30 May 2013 21: 06 New
          0
          and an aircraft carrier. the Spaniards

          ... inflatable ??? wassat
          1. Orchestrarant
            Orchestrarant 30 May 2013 21: 09 New
            +2
            Quietly deflated! A play on words! drinks laughing
            1. Quiet
              Quiet 2 June 2013 17: 59 New
              0
              Quietly deflated! A play on words!

              Even an aircraft carrier can be deflated !!! laughing
  • Vtel
    Vtel 30 May 2013 16: 31 New
    +1
    Georgian Armed Forces are the weakest in the region

    And their wine is weak, they don’t know who to shove, just some sort of barge. It’s really better to let them sing and dance the lezginka, it’s not bad at them.
    1. d_trader
      d_trader 30 May 2013 23: 17 New
      0
      No, Borjomi is a good thing and wine too.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 30 May 2013 16: 32 New
    15
    MDA military site, instead of a real discussion of the military aspect of this article, begins to tear, we will cast, amer sucks, in short stupid hat-making negative
  • piterkras
    piterkras 30 May 2013 16: 32 New
    +4
    Georgia rose from its knees only at the expense of US billion-dollar loans. And since Georgia obviously cannot and will not be able to pay for them, it will comply with all orders of bankers-money-lenders on time and on time. And then quickly in Georgia, the United States will arrange another Greece or Cyprus. Purchased country. Owner - USA. There can be nothing surprising in the behavior of Georgians. By the first order of the White House, they will send part of their contingent to Syria instantly. And the war of 888 is a test of the USA in practice, what would happen if the Russian Army began to fight with a limited contingent of NATO troops. Used meat and machinery. Georgia then threw babos and tightened tightly to creditors for using their own.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 30 May 2013 16: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: piterkras
      Georgia rose from its knees only at the expense of US billion-dollar loans.

      Well, it’s only at the expense of you that you have gone too far. Having weakened corruption, they made their economy more attractive. Take any kind of transport and go to Batumi for relaxation rather than relaxing near the Caspian Sea or Lake Gokcha (Sevan), therefore a huge flow of tourists there, at least bureaucratic volakita and it’s easier for a foreigner there it’s their business to complete, therefore they invest there, and of course we will not forget about transit oil and gas pipelines through the territory of Georgia, which substantially fills their budget.
      1. piterkras
        piterkras 30 May 2013 17: 07 New
        +1
        The owner of Georgia is the USA. All reforms and control are under American supervision. What kind of corruption can there be? America carefully monitors the waste of its money. Batumi is the estate of the Turks. Yes, this is the territory of Georgia. But there the Turks are at the same level as the Armenians in Sochi or Adler. Oil and gas pipelines are needed by the EU and the USA. But Georgia remains only the remnants. Although the budget could be filled more.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 30 May 2013 17: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: piterkras
          What kind of corruption can there be?

          America could have controlled it even without corruption, so this is the merit of the Georgian authorities, America controls many countries, but in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places corruption flourishes.
          Quote: piterkras
          America carefully monitors the waste of its money.

          Russia would begin to do this with them, otherwise the allocated money for Ossetia would obviously not fall into the pockets of Ossetians, while in Georgia the allocated money was used for its intended purpose.
          Quote: piterkras
          . Batumi is the estate of the Turks. Yes, this is the territory of Georgia. But there the Turks are at the same level as the Armenians in Sochi or Adler.

          drinks
          Quote: piterkras
          Oil and gas pipelines are needed by the EU and the USA. But Georgia remains only the remnants. Although the budget could be filled more.

          Yes, the pipes are needed by the EU and Georgia, too, and they don’t get crumbs, but quite a lot Georgia buys the cheapest gas, plus a certain percentage of gas from this pipe. Therefore, their budget is filled very well.
    2. owl
      owl 30 May 2013 22: 24 New
      +1
      The fact that Georgia rose from its knees is in my opinion too loudly said. Georgia is kneeling in front of Russia with an outstretched hand and begging to buy products that no one in the world takes. He begs tourists from Russia to visit her resorts. And the economic situation in Georgia is simply miserable.
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm 30 May 2013 16: 42 New
    20
    Regrettably, everything is right with regards to the war. This is to the conscience of Saakashvili.

    As for NATO, some garbage (someone will not accept us) and the Americans do not care about us, and so does Saakashvili’s conscience.
    Quote: Samminosh
    Georgia urgently needs to buy Abrams tanks

    That is not clear to me. Do you think that Abramsi is a nada? T-90 is not good? you say amerikoshi fintlyushki and abramsi and chamery like yes? The Americans aren’t giving us anything, only borrowed equipment that is useful in Iraq and Afghanistan and then taken back. Saakashvili said that was the case. Do you think that you will be at war with the weak Georgia and get rich? Well done. Victory over the weak, This is your weakness.

    But nothing, soon we will settle relations with Russia, make friends again and everyone will be happy wink We do not want NATO and the United States. This is all Misha and his team. Soon you will see.
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 30 May 2013 16: 45 New
      +4
      The USA gives loans to the country, for which the country buys exactly American weapons. Thus, dollar wrappers printed at the Fed work for the arms industry for free. In the same way, the US and Israel allot money. I repeat once again: they allocate for a purchase with the intention that the American armed industry should not fail and work like a clock. Very competent approach. But Georgians are not asked what they should buy. They are told to buy what other countries need.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 30 May 2013 16: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: dc120mm
      we will settle relations with Russia, make friends again


      This, of course, is good and it should be so, but as in the anecdote spoons were found, but the sediment remained ....
      1. piterkras
        piterkras 30 May 2013 16: 53 New
        0
        So that Georgia has settled relations with Russia, Russia will have to redeem Georgia from the United States by paying for Georgian credit debts. Multibillion. If there were oil or gas in Georgia, then you could still think.
    3. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 30 May 2013 17: 30 New
      -2
      Quote: dc120mm
      That is not clear to me. Do you think that Abramsi is a nada?


      And what’s cool, such a brutal thing, I’ll put it in the garden, I will ride the girls to the general store.
      Just imagine - I'm on the captured Abrashka with five red crosses on board in the general store for vodka, it's not a black boom for you.
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: dc120mm
      That is not clear to me. Do you think that Abramsi is a nada? T-90 is not good?

      I wonder if you served ??
      If so, where and when?
    5. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 22: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: dc120mm
      But nothing, soon we will settle relations with Russia,

      Yes
      Quote: dc120mm
      make friends again

      need time, make friends when problems with conflict zones end! and so the people will always be friends
      Quote: dc120mm
      We do not want NATO and the United States.

      once did not want to) but vinudili
      1. shamil
        shamil 31 May 2013 04: 57 New
        +1
        I saw on TV how Georgia and Saakash danced on the velvet revolution

        h like democratic change
  • AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 30 May 2013 17: 09 New
    +1
    The author’s position is somewhat unclear that by strengthening ties with NATO, Georgia ** may ** be at war with Turkey. If this is theoretically, then in theory, Georgia can declare war on the Lunatic.
  • USNik
    USNik 30 May 2013 17: 12 New
    +7
    Quote: Yeraz
    MDA military site, instead of a real discussion of the military aspect of this article, begins to tear, we will cast, amer sucks, in short stupid hat-making negative

    I think that here more than half of the capers are doing it just for fun. The surname of the author of the article suggests that it was he who began to throw the first hats. The troops of Russia will roll out the modern Georgian army into the same pancake as 08.08.08, even thinner, taking into account the upgrades. But we can talk about the combat readiness of the other neighbors for a very long time.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 30 May 2013 17: 17 New
      0
      Quote: USNik
      The troops of Russia will roll out the modern Georgian army into the same pancake as 08.08.08, even thinner, taking into account the upgrades. But we can talk about the combat readiness of the other neighbors for a very long time.

      I agree with the first part, about Georgia!
      As for other countries of Transcaucasia, the Russian army will roll out and the rest is a matter of time!
      Armenia is the easiest, since there is a Russian base there and the whole structure is well-known !!
      so to speak for a long time comparing with Russia is not serious!
      And in terms of quantity and quality of weapons, Azerbaijan is currently surpassing Georgia and Armenia combined, and this is a fact!
      1. piterkras
        piterkras 30 May 2013 17: 25 New
        0
        Turkey can buy off for Azerbaijan. And Russia does not need this. Although oil, as the Americans say, is good. Azerbaijan needs to prepare for an attack by the United States and its satellites on Assad’s Syria. You will also be involved there as a peaceful contingent to overthrow the local "despot."
      2. toldanger
        toldanger 30 May 2013 21: 03 New
        0
        After all, no one argues.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 30 May 2013 17: 26 New
      +3
      Georgia could do something, create a conscripting high-quality army and develop aviation. And so ... Russia has total superiority.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 May 2013 17: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        Georgia could do something, create a conscripting high-quality army and develop aviation. And so ... Russia has total superiority.

        The Georgian army was formed to conduct local operations !!
        In principle, the operation that led to military operations with Russia was largely local, where the special forces took part!
        Georgia was preparing a good army to roll out Abkhazia and South Ossetia in a short time, and to fight with Russia even with the general conscription is not serious!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 May 2013 18: 48 New
          0
          In fact, she did not prepare her. Ambition intervened.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 13 New
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            In fact, she did not prepare her. Ambition intervened.

            Again, I do not agree with Eugenny, because at one time, as a result of duty, I think I knew well enough about the training and equipment of the Georgian army!
            The question is different!
            How correctly the decision was made and what it relied on!
            It was a setup or Russian intelligence or Western!
            The fact that we have after what we have!
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 May 2013 21: 18 New
              +1
              I am sure - banal ambitions and underestimation of the situation. Not calculated all the possible consequences and all options.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 45 New
                +3
                Quote: Pimply
                I am sure - banal ambitions and underestimation of the situation. Not calculated all the possible consequences and all options.

                I will not agree with you!
                Just many forget what happened at that time!
                I remember well !!
                events in Kosovo!
                Speeches by Lavrov and Putin about the fact that if Kosovo is recognized, Russia will certainly recognize Ossetia and Abkhazia!
                A downed Georgian drone, a repaired railway in Abkhazia as soon as possible, a week before the events of women and children of Ms. Tskhinvali were taken away!
                I am sure that the Russian leadership was aware of the upcoming operation, it is quite possible and pushed Georgia to this!
                That would be a masterpiece at all !!
        2. toldanger
          toldanger 30 May 2013 21: 05 New
          +1
          Exactly. In general, it turned out to be interesting.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 May 2013 17: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        Georgia could do something, create a conscript high-quality army and develop aviation

        Zhenya, I thought you were smarter.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 May 2013 18: 51 New
          +2
          Sasha, what's so stupid? Russia was lucky that they did not block, for example, the Roki tunnel. Or that most of the parts were prepared very badly. That there was no intelligible reserve system. That the enemy army was 32 thousand people, and part of this army was abroad.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 30 May 2013 20: 13 New
            +1
            But Belarusians did not complain about mosquitoes, in swamps ... But they fought competently.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: dmitreach
              But Belarusians did not complain about mosquitoes, in swamps ... But they fought competently.

              When was this?
              Then people fought for the idea, for Stalin!
              I assure you that at that time the Georgians would have fought no worse!
              Ideology, education of that time, do not confuse with today!
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 30 May 2013 22: 56 New
                +1
                You do not confuse it. This is called "motivation." In the context of partisans, it is monopenisual, for which it is topical, in principle - when it is / is not.
                Example:
                not a popular war, for incomprehensible purposes;
                Civil War;
                war with the invader-occupier.
          2. toldanger
            toldanger 30 May 2013 21: 07 New
            0
            Not entirely correct.
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 30 May 2013 21: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Sasha, what's so stupid? Russia was lucky that they did not block, for example, the Roki tunnel.

            Dear Eugene, if I am not opposed, I will answer for Sanya !!
            The Rocky Tunnel would just take time !!
            You forget that the Russian army could strike from the side of Abkhazia, where right before the war they put in order the railway and from the sea! Where the Georgians could not oppose anything !!
            And in the most extreme case, Armenia would have dealt a crushing blow !!
            It’s really stupid to say that with the capture of the Roki Tunnel, Georgians would decide something !!
            I disagree with you!
            Respectfully !
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 30 May 2013 21: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              The Rocky Tunnel would just take time !!

              I agree, but to no avail, "Opponents" would be surrounded

              Quote: Yarbay
              You forget that the Russian army could strike from the side of Abkhazia, where right before the war they put in order the railway and from the sea! Where the Georgians could not oppose anything !!

              I agree! they could resist in Kodori if the Army and the Police were not ordered to retreat
              Quote: Yarbay
              And in the most extreme case, Armenia would have dealt a crushing blow !!

              I agree!
              Quote: Yarbay
              It’s really stupid to say that with the capture of the Roki Tunnel, Georgians would decide something !!

              would win the time!
            2. ultra
              ultra 30 May 2013 23: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              It’s really stupid to say that with the capture of the Roki Tunnel, Georgians would decide something !!

              Well, this would give them the main thing - time gain. Sending units of the 58th army to Abkhazia would require much more time.
          4. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 30 May 2013 22: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            what's so stupid?
            Ours, i.e. Kazakhstani analysts have a version that the attack on South Abkhazia was made in order to expose the Russian Federation to the world community, i.e. West .. make it an aggressor:
            Russia was lucky that they did not block, for example, the Roki tunnel.
            Anyone who is not even knowledgeable in military affairs, this thought comes to mind ..
            It really was a strange war. To begin with, the Georgian attack on Tskhinvali was generally an adventure from the very beginning. Any possible strategic analysis should have led to a simple thought that Russia would not stand aside and it would be strange if it did not react to such a situation. First, in Tskhinvali there were two Russian battalions that had peacekeeping status. One is actually Russian, the other is formally North Ossetian, but staffed by natives of South Ossetia and under Russian command. Russia could not leave unanswered the attack on its military, even if there were not too many of them. Secondly, most of the South Ossetians, like the Abkhaz, are Russian citizens. For Moscow, not defending them would mean losing face. And, thirdly, which is probably the most important, by August 2008, Moscow was at the peak of its power and self-confidence. The oil price has just reached 147 dollars per barrel, Russia at least a year before the events indicated, it was very tough talking with the outside world and was extremely determined. In this situation, any aggression on the part of Georgia would inevitably provoke a corresponding reaction, and the Georgians should not have hoped that Moscow would hesitate ... the strangest thing in this whole war is that the Georgian army itself has gone somewhere from the battlefield? She not only retreated with battles under pressure from Russian troops, she completely disappeared from the front line, left not only Tskhinvali, but all of her bases in Gori, Poti and even in the Kodori Gorge in Abkhazia. Moreover, if you can agree that some of the Georgians were defeated and demoralized during the fighting in South Ossetia, then what happened to them later in Poti, and especially in the Kodori Gorge, remains a mystery .. if the Georgians were preparing for a serious war , they had to strengthen their border cities, prepare the defense of Gori and Poti, possibly Zugdidi, although the last city is in the demilitarized zone and it is difficult to accumulate weapons here. At least they could try. It is clear that Russian troops would not have stormed the fortified positions, even if one battalion and especially cities in Georgian territory had sat in the trenches, where they could have suffered losses, in particular among conscripts, which would adversely affect public opinion in Russia itself. In addition, Moscow at the beginning of the campaign, most likely, had no plans to go to internal Georgia. The maximum that Russian generals could count on was to defeat the aggressor and, possibly, take control of Georgian villages located north of Tskhinvali on the road to the Roki tunnel in order to ensure the security of the positions of Russian and South Ossetian troops. But the Georgians suddenly abandoned everything and moved south. The easiest way would be to assume that they were completely demoralized. This opinion is very popular among Western military observers, not to mention Russian public opinion.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 May 2013 22: 08 New
              0
              Not sure. A certain confusion of the States in those days suggests other thoughts. Although - it is possible.
              1. ultra
                ultra 30 May 2013 23: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                Some confusion of the States in those days suggests other thoughts

                The confusion, I think, was due to our reaction, they did not expect such an answer.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 30 May 2013 23: 41 New
                  0
                  Largely. And yet, judging by the actions and finding the majority of trained units abroad, I put on an internal adventure. Too impetuous was Mishiko.
            2. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 30 May 2013 22: 09 New
              +1
              Continued:
              However, this would be too simple an explanation. No matter how bad the Georgian army, its soldiers are unstable, but in order to put troops on the defensive near their cities, you don’t need any special military capabilities, especially considering that the Georgian army was still trained by American and Israeli military specialists. Then the question arises: why did this whole story with the Georgian attack on South Ossetia, and especially their subsequent flight from the battlefield, look like an undoubted adventure and a very amateurish operation? The answer to this question is very complex and can be very simple at the same time. Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili ordered an attack on South Ossetia, aware that Russia will undoubtedly intervene. Surely he realized that in this case he had no chance. Moreover, the Georgians did not even take those completely logical steps that could provide them with at least a tactical victory on the local South Ossetian front, here again we have in mind the operations that are being asked for execution against the Roki tunnel and mountain roads.
              Moreover, when Russian troops appeared in Tskhinvali, the Georgian units not only retreated from South Ossetia, they retreated into the depths of Georgia, away from the border line with rebellious autonomy. In addition, they did not defend any of the border cities, both on the borders with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, as well as, in fact, the previously prepared fortified area in the Kodori Gorge. They simply left all these cities - Poti, Zugdidi, Gori - and military bases with all their weapons, equipment and ammunition. The impression was that in this way they simply invited Russian troops to enter the cities they abandoned. The retreat of the Georgian troops was not like fleeing after a crushing defeat, otherwise Tbilisi and other cities would be filled with deserters, which would not have passed the attention of the world media. Georgian troops withdrew in an orderly manner, and the army’s command and control system was clearly not violated. This means that her leadership ordered the army to withdraw, rather than defend their cities, which in this situation would be more natural .. Russian troops went to Georgia under the pretext of protecting abandoned bases with weapons and equipment. They quickly occupied Gori, Zugdidi, Poti, at one time their posts were on the strategically important road connecting East and West Georgia. But it seems that neither the generals nor official Moscow had answers to the question of what to do next. Theoretically, they could take Tbilisi, but then what? At the same time, Moscow was faced with harsh criticism of its actions by the West. It is clear that without losing face Russia could not simply retreat from the territories it occupied. From the point of view of Moscow there was no contradiction. The aggressor must be punished, and here all means are good. However, for Western public opinion, the occupation of Georgian territory was also an act of aggression. Moreover, the troops of the state, which until recently was an empire that pursued a very aggressive policy, entered Georgia. That is, the main content of social reaction in the West came down to one thought - the Russian Empire is returning.

              Something like that request Full article: http://magazine.asiakz.com/rus/article/96
            3. Yarbay
              Yarbay 30 May 2013 22: 13 New
              +3
              Quote: Alibekulu
              Anyone who is not even knowledgeable in military affairs, this thought comes to mind ..

              Dear, this would not change anything if Russia entered the war!
              Only time would be delayed!
              I am sure that the Georgian leadership was assured that Russia would not intervene or that effective assistance would be provided by the West of Georgia!
              Otherwise, giving the green light to this operation was crazy!
              Whatever they say about Saakashvili, he’s not finished and so on !!!
              Comparing the military potential of Russia and Georgia is stupid !!
              The Roki tunnel in the war with Russia could solve tactical problems, but not strategic at all!
              1. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 30 May 2013 22: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                Dear, this would not change anything if Russia entered the war!
                Only time would be delayed!

                Agay .. so it’s clear ..
                It’s not clear why .. what
                Quote: Yarbay
                Whatever they say about Saakashvili, he’s not finished and so on !!!
                Actually, I agree ..
              2. piterkras
                piterkras 30 May 2013 22: 29 New
                +3
                What Roki tunnel, which leadership of Georgia was assured? Georgia is a country bought by the USA. The 888 war is just a practical test of a certain contingent of NATO troops in case of war with Russia. Everything is simple. These Georgians for their removal then the EU refugee town shook off for its 500 Lyam, and the United States threw a couple more of its billions. But ordinary people - this is so. Little nothings of life. Not that level. Not for the USA.
              3. dmitreach
                dmitreach 30 May 2013 22: 59 New
                0
                Their leadership plans did not build further than:
                point eleventh.
                And then NATO and Omeryga sign up for war against Russia ...
          5. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 May 2013 06: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Russia is lucky that they did not block, for example, the Roki tunnel

            The tunnel did not solve anything! Airborne forces were sent to Abkhazia, and marines from the sea.
            Quote: Pimply
            That the enemy army was 32 thousand people, and part of this army was abroad.

            Saka managed to summon tens of thousands, but to no avail. The whole army fled, not due to poor preparation, but simply because his own skin was more expensive than his homeland.
            Compare the morale of the Chechens, who often kept to the last without having any superiority of these “soldiers”. Fighting spirit half a soldier.
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 31 May 2013 08: 32 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              .All this army fled, not due to poor training, but simply because their own skin is more expensive than their homeland.

              )) ran away? Tbilisi didn’t retreat, there was Such an Order)) the command was running away and the soldiers and reservists were waiting for the order, Tbilisi was robbed)) believe it or not)
      3. ultra
        ultra 30 May 2013 18: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        And so ... Russia has total superiority.

        It would have been strange if it hadn’t existed! And you can develop anything, the question is: What kind of bucks? American "brothers" will give a hundred dollars for a dollar and what to take from Georgia. And for a little "hemorrhoids" Russia, it’s enough that Georgians give. hi
      4. piterkras
        piterkras 30 May 2013 22: 07 New
        -2
        You are successfully trying to introduce yourself as a fool. The United States did not give them money for this. Therefore, they do not have this yet. And the war of 888 is a practical test of the interaction of a certain contingent of NATO troops in the event of a war with Russia in a certain territory. Checked. What is there?
  • Lecha57
    Lecha57 30 May 2013 17: 39 New
    +1
    The Americans will not teach the best, but the "grandmother" will be removed.
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 30 May 2013 17: 40 New
    +2
    The countries of the Caucasus should choose who will destroy their armed forces, this is a matter of economics and time.
    The choice is not rich while the players are three Russia, Turkey or Iran.
    Great Georgia "asked" first and lost a third of the territory. Once again, the great Svans and Ajarians will rise.
    Azerbaijan will not calm down with its navy, but it will be kicked longer and hurt - nothing is a personal politician-economy, does not respect neighbors, barks at elephants.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 May 2013 18: 00 New
    0
    Quote: dc120mm
    Excuse me, did you take the toilet with macho?

    You have been running around these forums for five years with these toilets .. (funny ..) Where are they interesting ??? In the Kremlin chronically ??? laughing
  • gene
    gene 30 May 2013 18: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    In my opinion, the retreat of the Georgian army in those conditions was the right decision!

    Your assessment is understandable, because they themselves were draping themselves in Karabakh and now you are making a theory out of it.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 1 June 2013 02: 38 New
      +2
      can you remember better 1941 ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 30 May 2013 19: 09 New
    +1
    I don’t think Saakashvili will sleep peacefully for a long time, in a place with an expired presidency, I’ll be able to get another term!
    But the Georgian army was built at least with American money and American instructors, but it was built one-sidedly, counting on a one-time ground operation! After defeating Ossetia and Abkhazia, they immediately counted on dragging them into NATO !!
    This is where the fleet comes from - two troughs and aviation of the last century.
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 30 May 2013 22: 11 New
      0
      Sahaki will be nothing. He is a puppet of the USA. Perform almost everything as needed. He will leave himself to rest calmly.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 31 May 2013 17: 11 New
        0
        Quote: piterkras
        Sahaki will be nothing. He is a puppet of the USA. Perform almost everything as needed. He will leave himself to rest calmly.

        Sahaki waste material and its life for Americans does not matter!
        Bad you teach history!
        Recall at least the same Gaddafi and what curtsies he did towards the West, and how he was received.
        Did not save!
        It is quietly quietly merged! I can argue!
  • shamil
    shamil 30 May 2013 19: 20 New
    +1
    Georgia is now a mini-military laboratory for the United States. With such debts and the president, with one click of the Americans' fingers, the Georgian army will dance with lezginka with daggers in their teeth around the striped flag
    1. poquello
      poquello 31 May 2013 01: 40 New
      +1
      Dyk it is necessary to hang up debts on Saakoshvili, he took it and gives it back, and Georgians should only kick a good kick for the repressions that half of the Georgians from stasisniki arranged.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 30 May 2013 19: 32 New
    0
    Well, that’s the answer to yesterday’s discussion. An ardent Georgian citizen and ivan hater Popyrchaty, and others like him, the Israelis received a detailed article on the combat effectiveness of the Georgian army and its ability to wash Russia with blood.
    For sim bow.
  • individual
    individual 30 May 2013 20: 40 New
    0
    What a conceit!
    Overvaluation of the Georgian army.
    But they tried to hold a military parade.
    Well, that thought again!
    Otherwise, all the neighbors: Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkey would have declared a combat alert ...
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 30 May 2013 21: 38 New
    0
    Weak technical equipment of the Georgian army is a completely logical process. Georgia has practically no industry, and there is no money in the state treasury. Overseas owners armed the Georgian army only once to carry out specific activities, and when it turned out that the Georgian troops were not able to conduct military operations - they were immediately forgotten, and it seems forever. As for Ukraine, nothing unexpected happened either. This is our real relationship. Words differ from deeds.
  • papas-57
    papas-57 30 May 2013 21: 47 New
    +1
    But Georgia’s male choir is the envy of its neighbors.
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 30 May 2013 22: 54 New
    +1

    instant 29 and f16 in Poland
  • poquello
    poquello 31 May 2013 01: 28 New
    +1
    "In the first place, the army was almost nonexistent, and more Russia was pierced at that time than Armenia!"
    The Russians fought on both sides, and the conflict was inflated by the newfound friends of the former USSR.

    "And I did everything I could!
    God willing, I have time to be there this time!
    And I’m sure we will win 100 percent! "
    Time is not right - make a delicious tie.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 1 June 2013 02: 42 New
      +1
      only volunteers fought on our side in small numbers, but on the side of Armenia, support was at the level of the state, General Staff, special services, ..
      1. poquello
        poquello 2 June 2013 16: 54 New
        +1
        I have a friend on your side who fought, they went there purely for bablosy without ideas. X have you done it? Some were cut, others were cut. Was it necessary for them or you, or is it better if it weren’t at all?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 3 June 2013 22: 36 New
          +1
          we didn’t start this war in February of 88, we were tied into this business, it was of course difficult for ordinary people ...... but about sharing - if you want to cut off a piece of your body, you will resist, and then like in a war. ......
          and many thanks to your friend !!!!!!!
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