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“Gradually, you become a fisherman”: how the “soft power” of Norway breaks the ethnic identity of Russians in the Russian North

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We are continuing a series of publications on the soft power policy of the Norwegian Barents Region in Arkhangelsk. The other day in local Arkhangelsk mass media there was a message that deputies of the city duma chose a new honorary resident of the city of Arkhangelsk. They became the professor of the Northern Arctic Federal University (NArFU) Tatiana Butorina. NArFU rector prof. Elena Kudryashova lobbied this decision. Earlier in our publications we dealt with the topic of "scientific creativity" prof. Butorinoy. In particular, we concluded that the director of the Lomonosov Institute for NArFU, prof. Tatyana Sergeevna Butorina (nee. Mokhovikova) falsified the biography of the great Russian scientist Mikhail Vasilyevich Lomonosov for almost a quarter of a century. (1) In the spirit of creating a cross-border identity in the Norwegian Barents region, she promoted the idea that Lomonosov was not Russian, but “ethnic sea” . Writing these lines, while familiarizing himself with the texts of Butorina, repeatedly noted that she is our leading "lomonoved" (one should think of such a thing!), Does not know, however, about Lomonosov and his era of many elementary facts.


In addition to Lomonosov, prof. Butorina has been engaged in the fundamental falsification of regional stories and culture. In this field, at one time, she even tried unsuccessfully for herself to compete with the main ideological “regulator” of Arkhangelsk - prof. Vladimir Bulatov. (2) Butorina, in particular, belongs to the idea of ​​the “Pomeranian Encyclopedia” project, where ideological viruses are being introduced into the mass consciousness in the form of undisputed knowledge to undermine Russian identity in the Arkhangelsk region. But on the website of the Culture of the Arkhangelsk North, Butorin states: “The Pomors are the indigenous people of the Russian north ...” In the process of developing vast regions of the North, the new symbiotic Pomeranian culture was formed by the Russian population ... Pomeranian culture marginal to the Russian culture of the central regions Russia, fought to preserve its ethno-cultural identity ... "(3) And how, we ask, fought? Without any reason, the culture of the Russian population of the Russian North of Butorin is called "Pomorskoy", separating it from Russian culture, while declaring it to be still marginal and foreign ethnic. Under the “ethnic pomors” of Butorin, it means not the population of the coastal villages and settlements of the White Sea - Zolotnyaya Zolotitsa and Patrakeevka, Lopshengi and Yarengi, Purnami and Sumaposad, but the entire Russian population of the Arkhangelsk region. Therefore, we note: the work of Butorina has absolutely no scientific value. Her ideas of “regional pedagogy” are untenable, and the theories of the “Pomeranian family” and “Pomeranian pedagogy” are based on the fundamental falsification of regional history and culture. We can judge about the views of the leading “lomonoseveda” by this statement of Tatyana Sergeyevna: “Why, they ask me sometimes, that’s what was 300 years ago, today we are interested. Yes, because it’s in our genes. Whether we want it or not we want, but at the genetic level we project a lot of what we once had here in our North in our people. " According to Butorina, it turns out that regional culture is based on human genetics! Such absurdity is said by the editor-in-chief of the fourth volume of the Pomeranian Encyclopedia published in Arkhangelsk, devoted to regional culture! (4)

It all began like this. During the preparation of the creation of the Norwegian Barents region in the autumn of 1991, on the initiative of the historian Tatyana Butorina, the rector Vladimir Bulatov was established at the Pomor University reorganized from the Arkhangelsk Pedagogical Institute. "Pomeranian laboratory". The event was carried out by Bulatov as part of the Norwegian program for the creation of the Barents region. In the 1992-1993 years in the Pomeranian laboratory, the "problems" of the Pomeranian ethnos: historical-pedagogical and educational aspects "(associate professor Rudolf Hantalin)," Pomeranian ethnopedagogy "(associate professor Tatyana Butorina)," Educating a speech culture of students in the Pomorian dialects "( Associate Professor Tatyana Pleshakova), "Socio-ethnic characteristics of young people of the Pomeranian North" (Associate Professor Anatoly Semin), "Ethnopsychological features of the Pomorians" (Tatyana Solovyova). As you can see, the work of the Pomeranian laboratory was initially sharpened by ethnicity and proceeded from the installation of the Barents region, that the Russian population of the Arkhangelsk region is "ethnic Pomors". Thus, in essence, in the Pomeranian laboratory, under the leadership of Butorina, work was carried out to prepare an explosion in the region of national identity. In 1992, employees of the Pomeranian laboratory were admitted to the staff of the Institute of National Educational Problems of the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation. At the request of the regional department of education, the Pomeranian Laboratory took up the development of a national-regional educational component for the project to form a new Pomeranian ethnicity. The regional administration, thanks to the old Obkom relations of Bulatov, Khantalin and Butorina, supported the initiatives of the “Pomeranian revivalists” and provided partial funding for this project. The insights on the “Pomeranian ethnic pedagogy” are reflected in Irina Skovorodkina’s doctoral dissertation (now director of the Institute of Pedagogy and Psychology at NArFU) and in Svetlana Schekina and Tatiana Solovieva’s Ph.D. theses. In the 1995 year, funding for the Pomeranian laboratory was discontinued, but the process of creating a national-regional educational complex was put by Butorina by that time on a practical basis.

Currently prof. Butorin in the Northern Arctic Federal University directs two pedagogical centers engaged in developing and testing programs to change Russian ethnic identity to the Pomor ethnic identity in school-age children: one is in Severodvinsk - the head of the Assoc. Irina Polyakova, Department of Preschool Pedagogy and Psychology, Humanitarian Institute NArFU; second in Arkhangelsk - Associate Professor Svetlana Shchekina, Department of Pedagogics, Institute of Pedagogy and Psychology, NArFU.

Assoc. Polyakova leads the development of the Moryanka complex in schools, in which children of primary school age are gradually inspired to be ethnic Pomors. (5) The program of the regional component Moryanka was launched in Uzbekistan by prof. Elvira Nikolaev. In 1998, she moved from Uzbekistan to Severodvinsk. What did she know about local regional history and culture? Nikolayeva, however, took up the study of local lore, using the falsified foundation submitted to her by Butorina. In recent years, the Polyakova Moryanka complex as a regional component has been introduced in schools in Arkhangelsk (schools No. 1994, 3, 22, 30), Severodvinsk (schools No. 45, 2, 8, 16, 24, 28) and regions. In the Preface of the “Sailors” we read the following text addressed to the younger schoolchild: “Gradually you become a northerner — a Pomore. Do you know what they are, the Pomorians? Why do they call them that? What are the main industries they are engaged in? You grow up to be called the proud name of "Pomor"? Why do people say about their countrymen "real Pomor" or "real pomorka"? " (30) At school No. 6 of Arkhangelsk, under the influence of "Moryanka", teachers began to organize in the elementary school a celebration of the pseudo-ethnic holiday "Pomeranian New Year", and in the school museum they arranged the stand "Great Pomors".

In the alternative center in Arkhangelsk, as a result of the work of Shchekina for elementary school, an educational-methodical set of the study of local lore "We are the coast" was developed. It includes three educational programs: "Pomeranian Soul", "Pomeranian Family", "Pomeranian Brotherhood", a book for reading "Pomeranian Former Women" and "Pomeranian ABC". According to the statement of Assoc. Svetlana Shchekina, these programs are made taking into account the age and psychological characteristics of younger schoolchildren and provide a gradual expansion of the semantic space "from immersion through the introduction to assigning the" value "of the Pomeranian heritage." "The authors consider their work as a variant of the cultural education of students in the region on the basis of" immersion "in the cultural and historical heritage of Pomerania." "The project" Pomeranian Soul "is designed for students of 2 classes and is aimed at the awakening of ethnic self-consciousness in a child through comprehension of the features of a Pomeranian character." The department of education and science of the administration of the Arkhangelsk region produces this kind of manuals Assoc. Shchekina for elementary school teachers to work with children to reformat their ethnic consciousness! (7) Svetlana Shchekina, a mathematics teacher by education, who is engaged in this "Pomorsky awakening" in the younger ones, graduated from the Arkhangelsk Pedagogical Institute. What does she do with the blessing of Butorina in the local study of local lore with her “dives through appropriation assignment”? The head of the program "Moryanka" associate professor Irina Polyakova now points to prof. Butorina, as the main breeder of all the "Pomeranian" experiments in the elementary school of the Arkhangelsk region. It was Butorina who encouraged Shchekin and Polyakov to engage in practical projects on the transformation of the Russian ethnic consciousness in children of school age.

It is hard to imagine a mean business in the field of pedagogy than what Arkhangelsk is doing with junior high school students in Butorin. The creator of the "scientific" school "Pedagogical regionology" Butorin should not now be chosen by the honorary city dwellers, and, moreover, not kept in the local public chamber and advisers under Governor Orlov, but for all his deeds to drive with shame from everywhere and from the federal university, including. It causes direct political damage to the Russian Federation. After all, hundreds of elementary school teachers sent by Butorina will do business in the Arkhangelsk region better than any Moseev.

In the meantime, 27-29 on November 2012 of the year in the Arkhangelsk Children's School of Folk Crafts held an All-Russian workshop-workshop for children's teachers. The theme "Pomeranian family: traditions and modernity" was made by Tatyana Butorina. Svetlana Shchekina spoke on the theme “Educational and educational program“ We are the Pomors ”as a way of forming ethnic self-consciousness of younger schoolchildren”. (8) 28 February 2013 of the year, on the basis of the humanitarian institute of the NArFU branch, the anniversary scientific and methodological readings devoted to the 15 anniversary of the regional training and methodological set "Moryanka" for elementary school were held. (9) The honorary guest of the anniversary scientific and methodological readings was the governor Tatiana Orlova, who declared to them that her son in elementary school in Severodvinsk studied “Moryanka”, and her children in general were “Pomory”.

It should be noted that the regionalization of the educational system of the Arkhangelsk region under the programs of the Barents region is the fruit of the policy of "soft power" projected by the Norwegian Barents Secretariat. "Regional ethnopedagogy" Butorina passed "scientific" approbation and received full approval at the Women's Forum of the Arctic countries (Tromsø, Norway, 1997), international conferences of the Barents region countries (Finland, 1995, Norway, 1991, 1995, 1997, Sweden, 2002 and others). The outcome of the activities of Butorina in the field of pedagogy and science was an attempt on the unity of the ethnic identity of the Russian people in the Russian north and the weakening of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, which coincides with the Norwegian efforts to create the Barents region.

Now in the Northern Arctic Federal University under the direction of rector Elena Kudryashova and with her full approval, Butorina continues pedagogical experiments on the "pomorization" of the population of the Arkhangelsk region. Moreover, the activities of Butorina are encouraged by the rector. Kudryashova herself publicly announced that she is a twilight and considers herself a "student of Vladimir Nikolaevich Bulatov" .10) Under the influence of personal contact with the ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs of Norway Thorwald Stoltenberg and regular close communication with the Norwegian consuls, the rector of the NArFU changed her ethnic identity when signed in February 2011, the Norwegian "Pomeranian Agreement".

Sources:

1. Dmitry Semushin: Lomonosov’s “Pomerania” - the myth //http://regnum.ru/news/1521011.html

2. Here we note that the “games” with the new Pomeranian ethnic identity in Arkhangelsk in the 1990-s were educated by themselves, who were closely connected with the local CPSU regional committee - Vladimir Bulatov, Yuri Lukin, Rudolf Huntalin. Tatiana Sergeevna Butorina herself is that type of “academic nomenklatura lady” inherited by us from the old regime.

3. http://www.cultnord.ru/Kulturno-istoricheskoe_nasledie_Arhangelskogo_kraja.html

4. The intellectual level of students Butorina, who defended his thesis under her leadership, can be judged by the "pomorizator" associate professor Valery Vasilievich Lisnichenko (NArFU, Severodvinsk), who in his "work", in particular, claims that "Pomory", i.e. the inhabitants of the Arkhangelsk region are smarter than the Russians because they are used to eating cranberries and that Pomors have a longer gastrointestinal tract than Russians. See Lisnichenko V.V. Pomorskaya Mosaic. Arkhangelsk, 2009. C. 241, 244.

5. Nikolaeva E.I., Polyakova I.F. et al. The national-regional component of the content of education in primary school. The program "Moryanka". Part of 1 .: Teaching Guidelines - Arkhangelsk: AOIPPK PO, 1998, and more. ed. The program of local lore "Moryanka" for students of 2-4 classes. Ed. ed. I.F. Polyakova. Arkhangelsk, JSC IPPK RO, 2010. Nikolaeva E.I., Polyakova I.F., Ramensky O. Ye. Children's literature of the Barents region. Reader. Tutorial. Arkhangelsk, 2006.

6. Moryanka Readings on the Russian North for reading in primary school. Arkhangelsk, 2010. C. 3.

7. See the announcement: We are the Pomors: a course of local history. 1 cycle: Pomeranian soul: educational program, method. recommendations. 2 class. S.Schekina et al. Arkhangelsk, Depart. images. and science adm. Arch. region 2007 // http://library.narfu.ru/eng/TRResources/VirtualExhibitions/Pages/zhivye_istoki_Pomoriya.aspx

8. http://www.pomorfil.ru/narodnoe-iskusstvo-i-deti

9. http://www.narfu.ru/sf/sevgi/news/index.php?ID=52134

10. Actually, Elena Kudryashova is not a “student” of Bulatov, as she recently stated in one interview, but the associate professor of the AGPI, Valentina Selivanova. See http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%83%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%8F%D1%88%D0BX%XPNXXUMNFXD0%2%D0BX% %0F%D0%95%D0%XX0%D5XX0%D0XXX0%D0XXX92A%D0%0A%D0%0A%D4X , _% D0% 8% D0% BB% D0% B8% DXNNUMX% BD% D1% B80_% D0% xNUMX% D0% BB% D2% B0% D0% XXXUMX% NNXXXX % D0% XNUMX% DXNUMX% BE% DXNUMX% BXNUMX% DXNUMX% BD% DXNUMX% BXNUMX. Kudryashov does not like to recall this circumstance.
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  1. Alexey M
    Alexey M 30 May 2013 16: 10 New
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    Where does the prosecutor’s office look? Okay, the little children don’t understand. And if you push a child of 14-15 years old like that, you’re a Pomeranian and not a Russian. And immediately get a ready frame for the Nazis. And there they will demand sovereignty. Mess in the country oh mess!
    1. танк
      танк 30 May 2013 16: 41 New
      +5
      so democracy, freedom of speech is all things ... negative
      At such a pace, soon everyone will begin to separate, demanding independence, because they suddenly turned out to be the first settlers.
      1. Konstantm
        Konstantm 30 May 2013 18: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: tank
        Dryuch these need.

        Tough and perverted.
        1. alex-defensor
          alex-defensor 30 May 2013 21: 01 New
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          Pomors this is russianliving on the coast of Pomerania. The concept appeared century in the 18th. Lomonosov really was from the Pomors, but Pomors, it belongs to the area, as well as Muscovites, Ryazans, Tula ...
          1. Alexander Petrovich
            Alexander Petrovich 30 May 2013 23: 49 New
            +4
            Behold the vile face of Judah. In the photo Tatyana Butorina.
        2. reichsmarshal
          reichsmarshal 30 May 2013 23: 28 New
          -1
          Think about who and why robbed our people of this right?
      2. gas
        gas 31 May 2013 06: 02 New
        +1
        Я согласен. К этому нужно подходить с предельной серьёзностью. Я считаю что подобные "труды" нужно приравнять к экстремизму, направленного на разжигание национальной розни. у нас в городе, по пути к обелиску ВОВ поставили памятник немцам Поволжья, депортированных в годы войны. Как бы знак ветеранам ВОВ-идите к своему обелиску, осознавая что Вы не герои, а мерзавцы!
    2. aksai61
      aksai61 30 May 2013 16: 46 New
      +6
      Какая прокуратура?! Это уже дело для ФСБ и ГРУ!!! проспали!!!!!!!! Интересно, а сколько от этой "лаборатории" денег получили местные руководители прокуротуры и ФСБ??
    3. elmir15
      elmir15 30 May 2013 16: 47 New
      +9
      Norges are insolent. Not only did Spitsbergen chop off from us, they also managed to claim part of the territory of the Barents Sea from the GDP. They also installed their morals in Russia. They say that they don’t go to another’s monastery with their charter.
      1. Airman
        Airman 30 May 2013 20: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: elmir15
        Norges are insolent. Not only did Spitsbergen chop off from us, they also managed to claim part of the territory of the Barents Sea from the GDP. They also installed their morals in Russia. They say that they don’t go to another’s monastery with their charter.


        They consider this monastery their own.
    4. bogdan
      bogdan 30 May 2013 16: 49 New
      +5
      All this is done according to the type of the Ukraine project, they still tell us that we are not Russian, and we have a different mentality, and we are two different people - what to say, eh ... and the border has appeared since the year 91, and divided the Russian people ((
    5. Nevsky
      Nevsky 30 May 2013 17: 05 New
      +6
      And what? In Berdyansk (Ukraine), where 90% speak Russian, in the summer local people with the surname Ivanov at the idle table vacationers from the Russian Federation are called Muscovites. Okay, if there is some sort of Gritsko, then no. The south-east of Ukraine separates itself from Bandera and at the same time from the Russians of Russia. Only Sevastopol holds on. Russian Russophobia is a reality. Alas... crying
      1. avt
        avt 30 May 2013 17: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: Nevsky
        Russian Russophobia is a reality. alas ... crying

        Yes. An old biblical story, when they are ready to sell the birthright for a chiche chowder’s soup, and here - for a grand and a nominee post they are ready to cut the Motherland into ribbons. negative
        1. Nevsky
          Nevsky 30 May 2013 17: 32 New
          +3
          That's what will happen to Arkhangelsk in 20 years or even in 15.

          Especially watch carefully from 1:28. The original Ukrainian, the mayor of my city, the People’s Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada speaks three times - Valery Sheeps. He probably will not understand his speech in the Urals and Altai, in Moscow and Novosibirsk, or in the same Arkhangelsk?

          The whole tragedy is that the Russian city, fastened on this attribute, a generation has grown up on other textbooks:

          1. rolik
            rolik 30 May 2013 17: 51 New
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            Quote: Nevsky
            That's what will happen to Arkhangelsk in 20 years or even in 15

            Do not wait. Pomors are migrants from Novgorod. Which came for the development of new lands. They successfully assimilated with the local population and successfully kicked asses for the Vikings, who wanted to rob their homes. Unlike the rest of the Russian Empire, we never had serfdom. Pomors have always been free people. And the name Pomor does not mean that a person does not identify with the Russian nation and does not consider himself a Slav. As for Butorina, I can say that she very successfully fit into the line of politics of the 90s. When all our leaders were ready to rip their shirt off and repent, caving in front of every foreign intervention. And believe me, before the degenerates from Norway, and the nation there is rapidly degenerating, no one is going to bend. In addition to such Butorins, there are very few of them.
    6. rolik
      rolik 30 May 2013 18: 14 New
      +9
      Quote: Alexey M
      Where does the prosecutor’s office look? Okay, the little children don’t understand. And if you push a child of 14-15 years old like that, you’re a Pomeranian and not a Russian.

      Pomors are a subethnos of the Russian people, descendants of ancient Russian settlers who settled from the XNUMXth century on the southwestern and southeastern coast of the White Sea. From this ethnonym came the toponym for the southwestern coast of the White Sea - Pomeranian coast. In the period from the XNUMXth century to the XNUMXth century, Pomerania was a colony of Veliky Novgorod, where most of the settlers came from. Pomors partially assimilated the autochthonous Finno-Ugric population.The main religions of Pomors: Orthodoxy (Russian Orthodox Church) and Old Believers (Old Orthodox Pomeranian Church).

      To be honest, the article is some kind of garbage. And here the separation of the concept of Pomor from the Russian. I myself have lived all my life in Severodvinsk-Arkhangelsk. We never had one to separate these two words. Pomor-Russian is one and the same. You can ask anyone in our city and they will tell you that they identify the words Pomor and Russian.
      Ребенок у меня по методичке " Моряна" учится, ребенку 10 лет, и поверте там нет никаких призывов о разделении понятий Русский и Помор. Никакой высшей расы не описано. Обычная книга о природе Севера, об обычаях. Потому как все исконные Поморы, это потомки Новгородских поселенцев прищедших на берега Белого моря и ассимелировавшихся с коренным населением. Поморы это образ жизни наших предков, ходивших по Белому и Северному морях ловить рыбу, бить тюленя, варили соль, добывали жемчуг. И само название Поморы происходит от слов Поморие и ходить по морю.
      Just in the north, the purity of our Russian nation is preserved. Come to Arkhangelsk and Severodvinsk, and you will be surprised how few (compared to Moscow and St. Petersburg) we have non-Russian ethnic groups.
      But such as Butorina, there are everywhere. But we have very few of them. And no one pays attention to their words. And if you want to check yourself, come and ask a question to any resident of our northern cities about his superiority, like Pomor, over the rest of the Russians - if you send them three letters at once, then you are lucky. And if they drop in .... a person, you yourself will understand that you made a mistake asking this question.
      Judging by this article, the affector really wanted to glorify his name in the wake of international relations. And for this, Pomorov can be declared a different nationality.
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 30 May 2013 19: 36 New
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        Ребенок у меня по методичке " Моряна" учится, ребенку 10 лет, и поверте там нет никаких призывов о разделении понятий Русский и Помор.

        Not yet.
        Thirty years ago, Ukraine, too, was unthinkable to separate from Russia. And then, quietly, little by little, we have a separate state.
        And so it’s done: at first they hint for a long time - they accustom them to thought, then they talk a lot about it, they give rise to confidence, and in the end everything happens very quickly - they call for action, and the people are ready to follow them.
        1. Sour
          Sour 30 May 2013 22: 30 New
          +1
          Do not exaggerate.
          Украину всегда было легко отделить от России. Отлично помню советские времена. о-национализм и тогда зашкаливал, на бытовом уровне. Нынешние "свидомиты" меня не удивляют. Они лишь открыто повторяют то, что их родители говорили в узком кругу. Причём я категорически против того, что украинский национализм в советское время был только на западе Украины. Его и на востоке хватало выше крыши, а в Киеве - больше всех. И разговоры типа " зъилы наше сало" мне отлично знакомы по советским временам.
        2. rolik
          rolik 30 May 2013 23: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: 11Goor11
          Not yet.

          Прежде чем что то писать, желательно ознакомиться с материалом о котором будете вести речь. Не надо сравнивать Украину и Россию. Я прекрасно помню гордых и незалежных украинцев в начале 90-х. Когда они с презрением говорили " моско...ям" о том, что будут кататься как сыр в масле, когда отделяться от России. И это было сразу после Беловежской пущи. Ну и как теперь??? Катаются в масле? А "Моряну" я лично держал в руках и читал. И , поверьте , знаю о чем пишу. И как может рассказ о северном тюлене повлиять на желание отделиться?
          And the fact that some clerks seek themselves dubious fame by publishing dubious materials should not surprise anyone.
      2. tomas.09
        tomas.09 30 May 2013 20: 07 New
        +5
        I also live all my life in Arkhangelsk, and all my life I thought that Pomors are Russians living on the shores of the White Sea. Not an article, but some kind of horror !!!
        1. rolik
          rolik 30 May 2013 23: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: tomas.09
          I also live all my life in Arkhangelsk

          Greetings fellow countryman drinks
      3. family tree
        family tree 30 May 2013 20: 39 New
        +5
        I confirm. Bo Treskoed Arkhangelsk himself and a graduate of Arkhangelsk, Order of the Red Banner of Labor, Forestry Institute. V.V. Kuybysheva, as the university used to be called, where now this female dog is trying to say that Lifestyle the northern seafarer-fishery-hunter-fisherman is nationalityat what not Russian.
    7. AntonR7
      AntonR7 30 May 2013 20: 35 New
      +1
      I agree a complete mess! But why? Looks like we have power is not Russian. If you are a Russian nationalist who defends your Russian identity, everything is done for the sake of small nations, and you spread yourselves with rottenness even before the Chechens appease the monument to Akhmat Kadyrov in Moscow, a man who urged to kill as many Russians as possible. In general, it does not matter in which region we were born - we are Russian and GOD is with us!
    8. Airman
      Airman 30 May 2013 20: 38 New
      -1
      Quote: Alexey M
      Where does the prosecutor’s office look? Okay, the little children don’t understand. And if you push a child of 14-15 years old like that, you’re a Pomeranian and not a Russian. And immediately get a ready frame for the Nazis. And there they will demand sovereignty. Mess in the country oh mess!


      Yes, it is necessary to drive these whores out of Russia, let the Norgs bring their own theory.
    9. Committee
      Committee 30 May 2013 21: 10 New
      +1
      А по-моему это святая обязанность ФСБ - отследить и отстрелить таких "специалистов"
      1. family tree
        family tree 30 May 2013 21: 33 New
        +3
        Hush, hush, scare it, damn it!
        The FSB of the Russian Federation accuses Ivan Moseev, leader of the movement for the preservation of Pomeranian culture, of high treason "with the support of the Norwegian special services," says BarentsObserver. The relevant article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation provides for 12 to 20 years in prison.
        http://finugor.ru/node/25056
        1. rolik
          rolik 31 May 2013 00: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: perepilka
          Hush, hush, scare it, damn it!

          Do you remember the advertisement of this Moiseev when he crawled into the deputies))))) These pearls were glued on poles))))
          - Moses is not a dancer
          - Moiseev is not a singer
          And when I was driving to work, I was thinking, but who is this Moses? If he is not a dancer or a singer, he must be a pid ... with lol In general, not far from the truth he left)))) Only this Moses, turned out to be the wrong Moses, about which I thought))) But also a radish)))
          Архангельский Моисеев один из совладельцев сети продуктовых дискаунтеров " Ромашка" ну и еще чего то там. В общем все как везде в России , что не депутат - то совладелец чего либо)))
          And if this Moses is closed, no one will cry. Yes, and the second (Moscow), if planted, also no one will cry.
          1. family tree
            family tree 31 May 2013 01: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: rolik
            And if this Moses will closenobody will cry. Yes, and the second (Moscow), if will put, too, no one will cry.

            Well, that’s what we’ll solve. So first close, as in the old days the pomors were closed, the root of the tree, but of the second plant, per count, according to orientation. wassat
            1. rolik
              rolik 31 May 2013 01: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: perepilka
              put on a count, according to orientation.

              hi good drinks
  2. Obliterator
    Obliterator 30 May 2013 16: 16 New
    +7
    It would be better for the Norwegians to remember about themselves and about their roots. The mess itself, but all the same - to spoil the neighbor. And to drive these pseudo-scientists with pissed rags. Yes, the trouble is only a misunderstanding (and most likely a reluctance to understand) of the consequences of their work by the authorities allows these Jews to engage in activities that can subsequently give very bad shoots.
  3. aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 30 May 2013 16: 19 New
    +2
    And where are the competent authorities looking? If already before schools these pomorsWhen the couple got there, someone in the FSB eats their bread for nothing. Put all these Pomorists on a goat, and let them row to Norway.
  4. PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 30 May 2013 16: 27 New
    0
    Yeah! Reformed! Where is the world (Russia) heading? At the felling of such scientists to raise the national economy and GDP!
    1. horoh
      horoh 30 May 2013 16: 54 New
      0
      Не надо таких "учёных" на подъём СХ и ВВП !!! Они так поднимут, что мы потом во век не расхлебаем winked
      1. USNik
        USNik 30 May 2013 17: 57 New
        +1
        Во во, она и на лесоповале организует "независимый повальный народ" живший этим промыслом со времен неандертальцев. Таких в тюрягу и за станок!
  5. smile
    smile 30 May 2013 16: 56 New
    +2
    Guys, it seems to me that someone really wants to repeat the creation of a new nation, as they had artificially created before, and then removed the Ukrainians from us ... but even there the enemies did it in the territories we occupied ... and here ... Mlyn, evil is not enough ...
  6. horoh
    horoh 30 May 2013 17: 03 New
    0
    To be honest, in my opinion the Norwegians will play out, everything will ever come to an END !!!!
    1. AntonR7
      AntonR7 30 May 2013 20: 44 New
      0
      Дай то бог! Может появится настоящий русский президент который будет русских защищать и отстаивать их честь, а не террористам вроде Кадырова памятники ставить. Нужен такой как Александр3 который сказал "Россия для русских и по русски". Я не против других наций, но пусть помнят кто государственно-образующий народ. Оплот и костяк государства Российского!
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  8. individual
    individual 30 May 2013 17: 08 New
    +1
    There is such a definition, the patient must be treated.
    A patient on his head is forever.
    But moral traitors to send their dreams to the country are few, but they are loud.
    Everything is achievable and fair.
  9. pahom54
    pahom54 30 May 2013 17: 20 New
    0
    The question is solved simply. It’s not their job to slander the FSB’s pear, that’s their job — the state security of Russia is undermining before their eyes. They collected the material and the prosecutor's office, as expected, and no one will yap about the lack of democracy - everything will be done according to the law.
  10. zavesa01
    zavesa01 30 May 2013 17: 22 New
    0
    Well, everything is clear with her. She has congenital cretinism, but PARENTS look where or poh .. what children are taught?
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 31 May 2013 00: 26 New
      -1
      Немного выше есть коммент родителя у которого ребёнок учиться по "Морянке".Человек просто не понимает чем чревато такое "обучение".Тихой сапой пропихиваеться принцип разделяй и властвуй.
  11. Pacifist
    Pacifist 30 May 2013 17: 25 New
    +9
    Поморы, это всего лишь именование групп людей по месту обитания. Никакого отношения к этносам, национальностям и пр. это название не имеет. Вся игра в эти названия, сродни игре в Укранину, которая издревле была Малороссией, а Украиной стала благодаря идиотизму европейских "ученых" незнакомых как с языком и оборотами речи, тех кого спрашивали, так и с историей мест которые "исследовали".
    In one place they allowed these games to reach insanity, lost Little Russia, got Ukraine. Let us in the north, we will lose the seaside.
    I foresee the screams of the current residents of Ukraine in advance. Alas, guys, now this is really Ukraine, and there was Little Russia (at the location of Ukraine, synonymous with the state / border / border). And it became Ukraine even before such a state appeared, after the Russian authorities under the kings, ceased to understand that the collapse of the country was happening not from outside, but from within. And that ideas fueled by money are worse than bombs.
    So screaming has nothing to do with it.
    1. rolik
      rolik 30 May 2013 18: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Pacifist
      Pomors, this is just naming groups of people according to their habitat.

      Here for this I put a huge plus. It is necessary to distinguish between the names of the nation -Russian and the names assigned to the place of residence of one of the groups of the Russian population.
      1. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 31 May 2013 00: 29 New
        0
        And if we assume that the nation is RUSSIAN, and RUSSIAN, is it All who live on our land?
    2. Airman
      Airman 30 May 2013 20: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Pacifist
      Поморы, это всего лишь именование групп людей по месту обитания. Никакого отношения к этносам, национальностям и пр. это название не имеет. Вся игра в эти названия, сродни игре в Укранину, которая издревле была Малороссией, а Украиной стала благодаря идиотизму европейских "ученых" незнакомых как с языком и оборотами речи, тех кого спрашивали, так и с историей мест которые "исследовали".
      In one place they allowed these games to reach insanity, lost Little Russia, got Ukraine. Let us in the north, we will lose the seaside.
      I foresee the screams of the current residents of Ukraine in advance. Alas, guys, now this is really Ukraine, and there was Little Russia (at the location of Ukraine, synonymous with the state / border / border). And it became Ukraine even before such a state appeared, after the Russian authorities under the kings, ceased to understand that the collapse of the country was happening not from outside, but from within. And that ideas fueled by money are worse than bombs.
      So screaming has nothing to do with it.


      UKRAINE from the word OKRAINE, that is, the periphery of Russia.
  12. Smoke
    Smoke 30 May 2013 18: 51 New
    +3
    xs, at the very ancestors of the Arkhangelsk region Nyandomsky district, my father was born in Onega, I live in Tomsk myself .... I consider myself Russian)
    ps Dad only sometimes when he drank proudly used to say: we are Pomors)))
  13. pliev78
    pliev78 30 May 2013 19: 25 New
    +1
    Every day I visit the site to keep abreast of what is happening in Russia and in the world, but it delivers less and less positive emotions. I’m probably tired of this Dermocracy - I want to go back to Socialism!
  14. Conepatus
    Conepatus 30 May 2013 19: 52 New
    +2
    А бомжей,или наркош,на эту "ломоносоведшу"натравить не судьба?
    You need to be taught forever. laughing
  15. dropout
    dropout 30 May 2013 20: 03 New
    0
    And I have my mother Vyatskaya, father Vinnitsky. So I’m a new ethnic group-ukrovyatich !!!
  16. Pomor77
    Pomor77 30 May 2013 20: 21 New
    -4
    Why does Russia not give us the right to self-determination? This is real fascism. We, Pomors, are the same people as Ukraine and Belarusians, and we have the right to form an independent state in our historical territory, Murmansk and Arkhangelsk regions and the Republic of Karelia. We do not want to live in the stronghold of fascism.
    1. Airman
      Airman 30 May 2013 20: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Pomor77
      Why does Russia not give us the right to self-determination? This is real fascism. We, Pomors, are the same people as Ukraine and Belarusians, and we have the right to form an independent state in our historical territory, Murmansk and Arkhangelsk regions and the Republic of Karelia. We do not want to live in the stronghold of fascism.


      Do not want to live here, n .... blow to Norway or Germany, there and self-determine.
    2. family tree
      family tree 30 May 2013 21: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Pomor77
      Why does Russia not give us the right to self-determination? This is real fascism. We, Pomors, are the same people as Ukraine and Belarusians

      Hey Swede
      During the Northern War, in July 1701, the feedman Ivan Ryabov (Sedunov, Ivan Ermolaevich) was captured by the Swedes together with the interpreter Dmitry Borisov (Dmitry Borisovich Popov). The Swedish squadron in the amount of 7 pennants (828 people, 127 guns) under the command of commander K. Kh. Leve entered the White Sea with the aim of destroying the Arkhangelsk port (the then only Russian sea port through which trade was with Europe), to burn the Admiralty Solombal shipyard and warships being built there. Ryabov and Borisov were forced to show the passage to a convenient place for landing and capture the Novodvinsk fortress. However, on July 5 (June 24), in 1701, Russian pilots launched two Swedish ships, the Teva-flies galleot and the Mjöhunden shnava, on a sand bank right in front of the fortress’s cannons. The ships were immobilized and destroyed during a ten-hour artillery firefight. Borisov and Ryabov were shot by the Swedes. Borisov died, and Ryabov was able to pretend to be dead, then jumped overboard and swam to the shore.
      Did you pay attention to the surname? Why interpreter? To translate from Pomeranian to Pomeranian? Here we have the Popovs with the Sedunovs, poke a finger and you will get, but Svensonov with the Johansson you will not find in the daytime with fire, unless you get lost in Bakaritsa.
    3. Leisure
      Leisure 30 May 2013 21: 46 New
      +1
      Cool post, neighing. The banter is cool, sophisticated. And the elves will be better.
  17. Smoke
    Smoke 30 May 2013 20: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Pomor77
    Why does Russia not give us the right to self-determination? This is real fascism. We, Pomors, are the same people as Ukraine and Belarusians, and we have the right to form an independent state in our historical territory, Murmansk and Arkhangelsk regions and the Republic of Karelia. We do not want to live in the stronghold of fascism.

    hmm, listen so after all, the territory of sowing norway and sweden is the original Russian pomeranian land .... you will have to give it back
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  18. knn54
    knn54 30 May 2013 20: 45 New
    +3
    ............ you, beautiful.
    Norwegians, thanks to small-town charlatans, want to launch their hands to Russian resources and are not going to stop. The centrifugal tendencies of the collapse of the USSR are in front of us in all its glory! The problem is acute and requires a radical solution! It's a shame that the bulk of the population does not want to understand or just brushes off attacks on the country by a gay Viking woman. And NArFU is a typical NPO.
    PS What, what? Kemsky volost?
    Oh me, me! Kemska volost! Oh me, me!
    Kemsky volost? Yes, let him take to health! And I thought, Lord ...
    Thanks to the "Medvedev-Stoltenberg Pact" Norway gave 90 thousand square meters. km of water with rich deposits of oil, gas and fish resources. 60% of the TOTAL Russian catch in the Barents Sea is harvested in areas that the new treaty places under the jurisdiction of Norway.
    Why are you, DAM, squandering state lands! So you can’t save any volosts!
    PPS The expansion of marine areas assigned to Norway could seriously increase NATO’s ability to track the submarines of our Northern Fleet.
    1. Airman
      Airman 30 May 2013 21: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      ............ you, beautiful.
      Norwegians, thanks to small-town charlatans, want to launch their hands to Russian resources and are not going to stop. The centrifugal tendencies of the collapse of the USSR are in front of us in all its glory! The problem is acute and requires a radical solution! It's a shame that the bulk of the population does not want to understand or just brushes off attacks on the country by a gay Viking woman. And NArFU is a typical NPO.
      PS What, what? Kemsky volost?
      Oh me, me! Kemska volost! Oh me, me!
      Kemsky volost? Yes, let him take to health! And I thought, Lord ...
      Thanks to the "Medvedev-Stoltenberg Pact" Norway gave 90 thousand square meters. km of water with rich deposits of oil, gas and fish resources. 60% of the TOTAL Russian catch in the Barents Sea is harvested in areas that the new treaty places under the jurisdiction of Norway.
      Why are you, DAM, squandering state lands! So you can’t save any volosts!
      PPS The expansion of marine areas assigned to Norway could seriously increase NATO’s ability to track the submarines of our Northern Fleet.

      And the fed Edrosov State Duma ratifies this Medvedev-Stoltenberg treaty.
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  20. Pomor77
    Pomor77 30 May 2013 20: 57 New
    -5
    No, primordially Pomeranian lands were occupied only by Russia. Therefore, we people want to seek justice and separation. With Russia we want to live in peace. But separately. She will rent from us naval bases in the North. Perhaps even we will sell oil and gas to her if we agree on a price. And of course, compensation for damage from occupation and damage to the environment. This is about 10 billion dollars. As you can see, everything is fair.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 30 May 2013 21: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Pomor77
      Pomor77 Today, 20: 57 New
      No, primordially Pomeranian lands were occupied only by Russia. Therefore, we people want to seek justice and separation. With Russia we want to live in peace. But separately. She will rent from us naval bases in the North. Perhaps even we will sell oil and gas to her if we agree on a price. And of course, compensation for damage from occupation and damage to the environment. This is about 10 billion dollars. As you can see, everything is fair.


      I warn you against provoking srach on the forum, you must have beguiled it, it’s not an American site here but a military patriotic site of Russia. Because of your comment, I can hardly restrain individual visitors. I draw your attention to the fact that you are in my field of vision.
      1. Pomor77
        Pomor77 30 May 2013 21: 06 New
        -2
        But I do not insult anyone, but only express my opinion.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 30 May 2013 21: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Pomor77
          Pomor77 Today, 21: 06 ↑ New
          But I do not insult anyone, but only express my opinion.


          This is not a statement, but provoking visitors to the forum, the territory of Russia is one and indivisible. You do not need to engage in meaningless communication with me. I pointed out to you an unacceptable statement on your part in the light of the territorial integrity of Russia. The conversation is over.
          1. Pomor77
            Pomor77 30 May 2013 21: 17 New
            -2
            But what about the right of peoples to self-determination recorded in the UN?
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 30 May 2013 21: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Pomor77
              But what about the right of peoples to self-determination recorded in the UN?


              Russia was recognized by the UN within the borders when it joined the United Nations. The right to self-determination does not imply immediate secession from the Russian Federation. The right to self-determination presupposes autonomy within the state where the people live. Plus, no one authorized you to express your opinion here opinion on behalf of the whole Pomeranian people. I hope that my answer satisfied you.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 30 May 2013 21: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Pomor77
          But I do not insult anyone, but only express opinions

          О-о-о.....Помор...Заменю "о" на "е"....Помер
          You only registered today and are about to leave?
          Now let's separate ....
    2. Airman
      Airman 30 May 2013 21: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Pomor77
      No, primordially Pomeranian lands were occupied only by Russia. Therefore, we people want to seek justice and separation. With Russia we want to live in peace. But separately. She will rent from us naval bases in the North. Perhaps even we will sell oil and gas to her if we agree on a price. And of course, compensation for damage from occupation and damage to the environment. This is about 10 billion dollars. As you can see, everything is fair.


      Do you, people from America, consider yourself a Pomor? It’s not good to make americosoam in Russia, otherwise we will demand Alaska back, we have the right.
    3. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 30 May 2013 21: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Pomor77
      No, primordially Pomeranian lands were occupied only by Russia.

      Pomorie was occupied by Russia? belay Mda-ah-ah-ah, insanity grew stronger fellow By the way, you will be off, for 3 comments the flag has changed 3 times.
      1. Pomor77
        Pomor77 30 May 2013 21: 25 New
        -2
        Gothenburg, Sweden. I'm here for an internship.
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 30 May 2013 21: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Pomor77
          I'm here for an internship.

          Why is it so thick ??? Turn off fantasies, turn on the brain, well, or what you have there .....
        2. family tree
          family tree 30 May 2013 21: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Pomor77
          Gothenburg, Sweden. I'm here for an internship.

          On the run or what? lol
      2. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 30 May 2013 22: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        Quote: Pomor77
        No, primordially Pomeranian lands were occupied only by Russia.

        Pomorie was occupied by Russia? belay Mda-ah-ah-ah, insanity grew stronger fellow By the way, you will be off, for 3 comments the flag has changed 3 times.


        Normal Internet troll. A bored student wanders through various sites from a proxy server and shreds on forums. Here he is Pomor, in another forum he is proud Ukrainian, in the third - the defender of the forest, lesbians, Khodorkovsky, etc. The most important thing is to cause a violent reaction as much as possible. Such are now minors' entertainment sad
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 30 May 2013 22: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: aviator_IAS
          A bored schoolboy wanders

          Gothenburg shkolota trolit on Topwar wassat I have so mixed feelings !!! Felts to cry, felts to laugh in general laughter through tears, sorry for the guy. It is necessary to advise moderators so that from now on such nonsense is immediately removed, the atoms in my urine are already weak. hi
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  22. Pomor77
    Pomor77 30 May 2013 21: 05 New
    -5
    By the way, during the separation, Pomorie will claim a smaller part of the Northern Fleet, so everything is fair. True, Russia will probably have to transfer the most modern ships at the expense of paying the debt.
    1. Committee
      Committee 30 May 2013 21: 35 New
      +3
      Dreaming ... There in the north such mushrooms grow. You don’t really blame them, you see what a result!
  23. Pomor77
    Pomor77 30 May 2013 21: 16 New
    -4
    So I want to ask the so-called patriots, why Pomors do not have the right to their opinion? Is it a democracy? If some people do not want to live in Russia and want to peacefully secede, why not let them go?
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    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 30 May 2013 21: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Pomor77
      people don’t want to live in Russia and want to secede peacefully, why not let them go?

      I let you go, go in peace.
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  25. Pomor77
    Pomor77 30 May 2013 21: 36 New
    -2
    That is, Pomors are not people and do not have the right to please for their Homeland? Why are we worse than the same Ukrainians? We are not terrorists, not extremists. Simple peaceful people who love their native land. Okay, I see I can’t convince you.
    1. Committee
      Committee 30 May 2013 21: 41 New
      +2
      Who are we ?! You and only you. I repeat to you: tie with stimulants. I understand that they are there in your Gothenburg-Amsterdam more accessible than ours, but still.
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 30 May 2013 21: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Pomor77
      Okay, I see I can’t convince you.

      Let's do it easier, you go into the kitchen now and chop off your finger, and then comment on how you feel after disconnecting, okay wink
  26. Smoke
    Smoke 30 May 2013 21: 42 New
    +2
    fat not funny troll
  27. Committee
    Committee 30 May 2013 21: 50 New
    +1
    О! Ура! Наконец то! Помора 77 замякали, аминь! А за ним уже приехали? Хотелось бы думать, что люди в штатском его попросили "пройти". Нет, ну носит же земля таких пятоколонных!
  28. aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 30 May 2013 22: 13 New
    -1
    Quote: Pomor77
    If some people do not want to live in Russia and want to peacefully secede, why not let them go?


    There is no such people, never was and never will be!
  29. Sour
    Sour 30 May 2013 22: 39 New
    -1
    Да нет никаких "поморов", чего вы все стреманулись?
    Есть десятка полтора ненормальных, которые на забугровые деньги пытаются создать проблему на ровном месте. Их никто не слушает, кроме их же самих. Вот и все "поморы". Никакая это не угроза единству России, это просто раздувание из мухи слона. Нету никакой угрозы распада России, это бандеровские мантры. Кроме укро-нацистов и поляков никто не верит в возможность распада России. Это часть бандеровской мифологии, без этих бредней они не могут. Никто не докажет русскому из Магадана, что он чем-то отличается от русского из Краснодара.
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 31 May 2013 01: 48 New
      +1
      Did you believe in the collapse of the USSR?
  30. GEO
    GEO 30 May 2013 22: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexey M
    Where does the prosecutor’s office look? Okay, the little children don’t understand. And if you push a child of 14-15 years old like that, you’re a Pomeranian and not a Russian. And immediately get a ready frame for the Nazis. And there they will demand sovereignty. Mess in the country oh mess!

    what are 14-15 years old? I already worked with such a moron for 30 years ...
  31. 1goose3
    1goose3 30 May 2013 23: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Alexey M
    Where does the prosecutor’s office look? Okay, the little children don’t understand. And if you push a child of 14-15 years old like that, you’re a Pomeranian and not a Russian. And immediately get a ready frame for the Nazis. And there they will demand sovereignty. Mess in the country oh mess!


    More precisely, not the prosecutor’s office, the FSB. Who are sleeping dear? crying
  32. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 30 May 2013 23: 24 New
    0
    <<<В настоящее время проф. Буторина в Северном Арктическом Федеральном университете направляет два педагогических центра, занятых разработкой и апробацией программ по изменению русской этнической идентичности на поморскую этническую идентичность у детей школьного возраста:
    Трудно представить более подлое дело на ниве педагогики, чем то, что делает в Архангельске с младшими школьниками Буторина.>>>
    In the north, Russian children are turned into some freshly-excavated Pomors! In the south (and not only) the Russians are pressed by Caucasians, in the east by the Chinese! Some nationalities even from abroad move in a rush, mastering the Russian lands and subjugating the local authorities! In fact, there is a WAR against the Russian ethnos, universal, a kind of genocide! And what about CENTRAL AUTHORITY? Again tolerance, tolerance, permissiveness? Fear of taking action, because Geyropa, along with home-grown common people, will start stomping their legs and the Council of Geyropa will start to spit saliva accusing it of lack of crap? How long can this go on? When, finally, the power in Russia - the state created and existing thanks to the Russian ethnic group, will pay attention to this problem and repulse the growing Russophobia?
  33. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 30 May 2013 23: 31 New
    +1
    Статья полнейшая чушь !!!!!!Я сам родом из Великого Новгорода и с детства ещё в 60х знал кто такие поморы ,это мотомки новгородских переселенцев и сами эти земли принадлежали Великому Новгороду,кому интересно можно почитать "Путь на Грумант" автора к сожалению не помню ,за давностью лет,там хорошо описано освоение не только этих земель но и о.Грумант.(Шпицберген),я понимаю что прививается не любовь ко всему забугорному но не до такой же степени,в СССР этих жителей всегда называли поморами......не надо извращать СВОЮ собственную историю в угоду сиюминутным вождям.....
  34. kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 31 May 2013 00: 55 New
    0
    А Мосеева("главного помора") на самом деле ФСБ по ст.275 УкРФ(гос.измена) и ст.282(разжигание межнациональной розни) подтянуло. Так что не всё так печально.
  35. kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 31 May 2013 00: 58 New
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    Moseev was convicted under Article 282 of Part 1.
  36. wulf66
    wulf66 31 May 2013 01: 37 New
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    Another abomination received loot fulfills ... Good health and long life! This creature must live to see the trial.
  37. Tao
    Tao 31 May 2013 07: 53 New
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    Все эти проблемы, лишь потому, что жЫды у власти. Но это бы ладно, жаль то, что они ТРУСЛИВЫ. Потому что "национальный вопрос", можно легко решать... с помощью генетики и Гаплогрупп крови. ВСЕ, но наши правящие пойдут на все, лишь бы ничего не делать. Хахах
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 2 June 2013 08: 44 New
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      Who set -1? We’ll fix it.
    2. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 2 June 2013 08: 50 New
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      That's better.
      Тао согласен с тобой.По крови все эти "тайны" читаются
  38. Smoke
    Smoke 1 June 2013 08: 25 New
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    Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
    Статья полнейшая чушь !!!!!!Я сам родом из Великого Новгорода и с детства ещё в 60х знал кто такие поморы ,это мотомки новгородских переселенцев и сами эти земли принадлежали Великому Новгороду,кому интересно можно почитать "Путь на Грумант" автора к сожалению не помню ,за давностью лет,там хорошо описано освоение не только этих земель но и о.Грумант.(Шпицберген),я понимаю что прививается не любовь ко всему забугорному но не до такой же степени,в СССР этих жителей всегда называли поморами......не надо извращать СВОЮ собственную историю в угоду сиюминутным вождям.....

    that's right, moreover, the territories of the northern Scandinavian peninsula were mastered by pomors, there they had bases for repairing ships, resting, replenishing water supplies, no one ever went to a grumant except for pomors, so this is all our Russian territories and when I read it like a bear I handed over the waters of the Barents Sea to the Norwegians - I’m fucked up ... I will vote against Putin and the bear, and even more so edra! Let the basement show itself better what it costs!