President Putin: Russia did not start this war

Russian President Vladimir Putin today, on Navy Day, pointed out that Moscow did not start the war, but was merely responding to the military actions unleashed by the Kyiv regime, with Western support, against the southeast of the country.

The President noted that Kyiv had launched aggression against southeastern Ukraine, which had always been oriented toward Russia.

The head of state reminded historical Context: Left-bank Ukraine was traditionally considered part of Russia, while Donbass, according to archival documents, was originally supposed to be part of the RSFSR.

Vladimir Putin:

Then, Bolsheviks arrived from further west and persuaded Lenin to cede this part to the emerging Ukraine. When representatives of the Donbass requested that the region remain with Russia, the answer was: "We need to rethink it."

So they changed their minds, the president noted.

Now, according to Vladimir Putin, the task is to return everything to its normal historical course.

Claims that eastern and southeastern Ukraine historically belong to Russia traditionally provoke strong irritation in Kyiv. In Ukrainian logic, "Ukrainianness" has "always existed" and extended to the entire modern territory. At the same time, the term "Ukraine" (outskirts) itself historically referred to borderland, peripheral lands, not an independent center. This contradiction is especially noticeable when it comes to the Left Bank and Donbas, which have been closely linked to Russia for centuries.

Putin's statement emphasizes that for Moscow, the current conflict is about righting a historical injustice and protecting a population that once oriented itself toward Russia. Kyiv, however, perceives any such historical digressions as an encroachment on "ancestrally Ukrainian" lands, ignoring the complexities of how modern borders were formed in the 20th century.

As a reminder, one of Moscow's demands for an end to hostilities is the withdrawal of the Ukrainian army from Donbas. Currently, the Ukrainian Armed Forces control no more than 20% of the DPR's territory.

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[Reserve officer]

"Now, according to Vladimir Putin, the task is to return everything to its normal historical course."
The normal historical course is the restoration of our country's borders within the USSR. I would very much like to live to see that.

[Machito]

In 2014, we had to take over all of Ukraine, but we fell for Crimea.

[single-n]

We didn't fall for it. We were scared.

[single-n]

I don't know. I don't think it was that easy. The bands were able to suppress pro-Russian protests in many places. But the fact that Russia was afraid to start something like the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is certain. In the end, they settled for Crimea and the hope of getting off easy. Nobody wanted to lose their yachts.

[Machito]

Quote: Single-n

I don't know. I don't think it was that easy. The bands were able to suppress pro-Russian protests in many places. But the fact that Russia was afraid to start something like the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is certain. In the end, they settled for Crimea and the hope of getting off easy. Nobody wanted to lose their yachts.

You don't understand: the command to suppress the Banderite rebellion was awaited by the Ukrainian presidential administration, the governors, the SBU, the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the police, and all the security forces. The Banderites would have been shot by Ukrainian security forces, we would have lost Crimea, Ukraine would have joined the Union State, and millions of Russians would have remained alive and well.

[motorized rifle]

It's just brutal. Who was expecting the order? People who swore allegiance to the Ukrainian state? Were they sitting in the same room, waiting for Moscow to order the use of weapons? Yanukovych didn't count for them? Who exactly was supposed to hand it over to Tsarev, and through what channels? Who would have received it, the Ministry of Defense or the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Who would have taken responsibility? But you see, Moscow is to blame for never giving the order to bring down those who violated the Ukrainian constitution. Trust the Tsarevites and the Podolskites 2% (two percent), and then (maybe) they won't deceive you.

[motorized rifle]

and millions of Russians would remain alive and well

Oops, did I miss something? Are millions of Russians already dead and sick? Or have you counted our fraternal people as well?

[bayard]

Quote: motorized infantryman

? Or did you also count the fraternal people?

And you, young man, to what people do you consider yourself? Haven't you heard that at least two-thirds of the Ukrainian SSR were ethnic Russians? And all the rest: Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Jews, and the so-called "Ukrainians" - where would we be without them?
Oleg (Tsarev) is absolutely right; that's exactly how it happened. I'm speaking as a participant in those events. The overwhelming majority of the Ministry of Internal Affairs' officers and leadership sided with Russia and the Russians, while more than half of the SBU were on our side (they were at one time seriously "reinforced" by the FBI, CIA, NSA, and MI6 with their proxies and agents). The Ukrainian Armed Forces were also overwhelmingly on our side, and at first, entire units often defected to our side. When the Kremlin learned of this, they banned recruitment. It got to the point of madness. Remember Korsa (a beautiful female officer, a Grad division commander, who, along with all her equipment, defected to the DPR back in 2014 and fought against them until her death during the Second World War). Have you heard of such a DPR heroine? The thugs also shelled a building in the center of Donetsk where Korsa's civil funeral was being held. So, there could have been many more such Ukrainian Armed Forces units that defected to our side. But a strict ban was issued... And the guys simply had to be turned away (during the numerous ceasefires at that time).

Quote: motorized infantryman

Have you counted the brotherly people?

Do you have any relatives on the other side?
And many of us have it.
The Ukrainian SSR was an almost exclusively Russian-speaking republic, just as Kyiv was an exclusively Russian city. Ukrainian was spoken in everyday life only in the Vinnytsia region and in the Western Ukraine, which always existed as a kind of separate ethno-cultural enclave. Several years before the collapse of the USSR, Kyiv began to be flooded with migrants/settlers from the Western Ukraine "as native speakers." Starting in 1992, these migrants began to flood the central, southern, and even partly eastern regions. They were all migrants-new settlers. They were given positions... not according to their abilities. And the so-called "Ukrainian language" in which Ukrainian TV and radio announcers began babbling since the fall of 1992 was literally invented in the spring and summer of that same year. I knew some of the participants in this program and saw the entire run of vinyl disc sets (10 per set) with a self-study guide to this newspeak. I was even offered a set of them as a gift. The Dnipropetrovsk Philharmonic was in charge of this. So everything you consider "modern Ukraine" is a replica, dating back to 1992. Although they began quietly preparing for this transition back in the 1980s. Even "torchlight processions" were held back then—at dusk on May 8th each year—supposedly in memory of those who died in that war. High school students were involved.
Everything could have been stopped back in the spring of 2014, and with our own efforts. Internal strength would have been enough. What was needed was a command, or even just permission.
But the Kremlin also surrendered all of Ukraine, persuading Yanukovych to give in to the putschists, withdraw his troops from Kyiv, and hold "early elections." And when the putschists seized power literally the next day... They remained silent.
And then yes, they took Crimea.
And when the entire southeast rose up, their desire to return to Russia was ignored. They also tried to sell out the DPR and LPR, publicly persuading them to abandon the referendums. And Strelkov was recalled from Donetsk. Mariupol, which the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the putschists abandoned in early September 2014, a city of half a million people, was practically in our hands, and our lead units had already entered the Zaporizhzhia region... the order was given to retreat and abandon Mariupol. Akhmetov generously thanked them for it. His metallurgical assets are there, and he had signed large contracts for metal supplies the day before.
So who is whose brother there?
Among the decision makers?
It's getting more complicated. The country and its people were simply abandoned. But retaking everything back then was no easy task – Russia practically had no army. It practically didn't exist even at the beginning of the Second World War; they only began forming a real, combat-ready army in the fall of 2022. Why they were kneading their buns for eight years before it (the Second World War) began is not my question.
But recently something has started to change.
Look at the composition of the Kyiv government, realize who your brothers are not.

[alex-defensor]

Now, according to Vladimir Putin, the task is to return everything to its normal historical course.

With all due respect to the President, the "river" that flows in this "historical channel" has been flowing for over 1000 years, since the time of the Old Russian state, beginning with the period Western historians call "Kievan Rus." So, historically, at least half of the territory of the former Ukraine, including the Poltava and Kyiv regions, is ours...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Bearded

the command to suppress the Banderite rebellion was awaited in the Ukrainian presidential administration,

Hmm. So the order should have come from the presidential administration. It was Yanukovych, guided by the constitution, who should have given such an order.
But he was afraid of the West's reaction. Moscow, on the other hand, was supposed to support him: "Don't worry, if anything happens, we'll help; we'll block any decisions at the UN."
But given what happened, I'm surprised Moscow didn't take advantage of the situation—the president, the prime minister, the interior minister, several members of parliament in Russia. Why not create a "government in exile?" This government could have asked for help in restoring order. The Kazakhs asked for help, and it was provided. Why didn't they do the same with Okraina?
If historical justice is to be restored, then the entire Left Bank, Dnipropetrovsk, Nikolaev, and Odessa regions should be returned to Russia.

[SAG]

Each person judges for himself...

[pyagomail.com]

Quote: Bearded

were waiting for commands from Moscow,

I don't believe it! The downed pilots Tsarev, Medvedchuk, Yanukovych, and others, who settled in Russia and are essentially to blame for everything that happened to Ukraine, are trying to deflect responsibility from themselves.

[Ulysses]

"In a recent interview with Oleg Tsarev on Yuriy Podolyaki's channel, he said that in 2014, the MBU and the Ukrainian Armed Forces could have wiped out the entire Banderite army in a day,"

So what stopped them from killing the Banderva at the bank during the Maidan? Was it Putin? Tsarev was in power then, along with Yanukovych. Both were cowards and traitors.

[SAG]

So what stopped them from killing the Banderva at the bank during the Maidan? Was it Putin?

They could have killed everything, right? They would have paid for it with their heads after the change of power, 100%
We would support Ukraine, just like before the Maidan, with its constant theft of oil and gas. Crimea would be Ukrainian. Black Sea Fleet ships would be stationed in Novorossiysk because the treaty establishing the Black Sea Fleet's presence in Sevastopol has expired and is not being renewed. A NATO naval base would be near Odessa, eager to move to Sevastopol. And naturally, there would be no modernization of the Russian army, while Europe would be churning out drones for future use...
What is your interest in this?

[Derbenev Anton]

Well, for people like you, it's interesting in the spirit of Anchorage and the bombing of Russia by NATO gays.

[ZloyCat]

"Black Sea Fleet ships would be stationed in Novorossiysk."
they still stand there
"NATO naval base near Odessa with a great desire to move to Sevastopol"
The Black Sea is all near Odessa; it's too small. Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and Greece are nearby—they're all NATO countries, and they have fleets and bases near Odessa.
What would have changed if the Black Sea Fleet had been asked to leave Sevastopol? Would Romania or Bulgaria have sent their fleet there? Unlikely. The Turks could, but would they really need it? Just to hang a flag? They're geographically close to Sevastopol, so the only issue is supporting Ukraine. But carrying out their own plan, turning populated areas in the Donetsk region into rubble, and then rebuilding them probably cost more than Ukraine's theft from the pipeline. And that's not even counting the dead and maimed. But who thought about this, and who could have foreseen it? And no one wanted to. They wanted to enter Kyiv on a white horse, with a sabre and an orchestra. It didn't work out. And they don't know what to do now; it's been five years already. They've been going to Minsk, then Istanbul, then Anchorage—it still doesn't work out. There's only one thing left to do - threaten Yao, puff out your cheeks and wait for Trump to decide to end this war, which is being done successfully.

[SAG]

The transformation of populated areas in the Donetsk region into rubble and their subsequent restoration probably cost more than Ukraine's theft from the pipeline

Every war ends sooner or later, and the territory and property, even if restored, remain with the victor, including mineral resources and people. Theft never ends. If you choose between war and shame, you'll get both.

They don't know what to do now, it's been five years already.

Just because you don't understand the situation doesn't mean everyone is like that.

When Trump wants to end this war, which he is doing successfully.

Thanks for hanging it up successfully)))))
I can remember at least four of his mediocre attempts at big-name promotions. And still nothing.
The drug addict known as Ukraine is firmly hooked on Western economics. We're waiting for the Western profiteer to become incapable of supplying its next "fix." Then EVERYONE will answer for their actions, including the little worms who think their actions are unmonitored.
Do you want this too? Be patient and wait. Everything will happen!

[ZloyCat]

"Then EVERYONE will be held accountable for their actions, including the little worms who think their actions aren't being monitored.
Oh, I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm already scared.
"I can remember at least four of his mediocre attempts at big announcements. And still nothing."
Well, at least Trump is doing something.
"We're waiting for the Western profiteer to become incapable of supplying more."
And we're just waiting. And it's a shame that this wait is being paid for with the lives and health of soldiers and civilians, not to mention the colossal material resources invested in the war and now burning in the rear. But that doesn't bother you. Are you prepared to be patient and wait for what and for how long?

[SAG]

At least Trump is doing something.

Well, yes - he carries water into the river in a sieve😂
Thanks to him from all of humanity, he lifts everyone's spirits for free, exposing the political and military helplessness of the US and NATO. Good luck to him.

Oh, I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm already scared.

Thank you for defining your role in this world. Not everyone dares to do that.

[NakedMan]

Well, they could have, then they would have done it. That was actually their responsibility. What does Russia have to do with it?
Or were we supposed to cover their ass if it didn't work out?
Is it again the Ukrainian nature to blame everything on the Russians?

[Personal opinion]

Not us, but the Russian government.
She wasn't scared, she just exchanged it.
Their property, previously transferred to the West, to the historical lands of Russia.

[Derbenev Anton]

Not us, but them, not us, but you. (Operation Y)
Those who were scared. The volunteer men or those Didier Burkhalter flew to.

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: Single-n

We didn't fall for it. We were scared.

No, not us, but them, those at the helm.

[topol717]

Quote: Bearded

In 2014, we had to take over all of Ukraine, but we fell for Crimea.

This is a stupid and populist statement. No one knows what would have happened. No one wanted war. And it's unclear how things would have turned out. If you recall, back then, they weren't afraid of being left without cars, but of going hungry, since so many agricultural products were imported from the EU. Then Russia imposed sanctions on agricultural products, and import substitution in this sector gradually began. So it's completely unclear what would have happened then. And the bridge to Crimea certainly wouldn't have existed. So you're most likely mistaken.

[SAG]

Good day, Evgeny.
It's not difficult at all to make a prediction about what would happen...
Hysteria in Europe about the Russians coming, immediate freezing of bank accounts, and the switch to a war footing. Basically, it's the same thing, only with cast-iron arguments about Russian aggression. The military would be paid not 250,000 rubles, but 25,000! Because the entire budget would go to supporting pro-Maidan Ukrainians who would commit terrorist attacks throughout the Russian Federation, while enjoying free movement as citizens. Then a forced transition to repression and even greater demonization of Russia worldwide, with evidence to back it up. Against this backdrop, a provocation on the Polish border, which NATO would exploit like it does now, feeding Ukraine with promises of soon joining. It's the perfect time for the Fifth Column to stir things up inside the country with slogans like, "Putin has betrayed us!" "Gasoline at 450 everywhere!"
And the army's complete unpreparedness to wage a large-scale war both within and outside the country. Complete mobilization and a downward spiral of economic collapse.
This was the Anglo-Saxon primitive,
but a plan that has been tested by history, and which is still championed by people with a third-grader's understanding of the situation!

[SAG]

In 2014, we had to take over all of Ukraine, but we went for Crimea.

Thank God people like you aren't in power. But thank you for putting your strategic vision on display.
My third-grader nephew thinks exactly the same way!

[ZloyCat]

"My third-grader nephew thinks exactly the same way!"
You see, knowledge is power! Judging by your comments, it seems you haven't had a chance to study.

[SAG]

Thanks for expressing your level of development. Although I understood everything from the previous comment.

[SSR]

Quote: Bearded

In 2014, we had to take over all of Ukraine, but we fell for Crimea.

If yes if only.
Maybe it's enough to stir up things that you can't fix yourself.

[Seal]

Quote: Reserve officer

The normal historical course is the restoration of the borders of our country within the USSR.

Better to stick to the 1913 borders. We'll lose Kaliningrad, though. But we'll gain part of Poland, including its capital, and all of Finland. We'll keep Kaliningrad, too, though.

[alexoff]

Quote: Seal

But we will get part of Poland together with its capital

What a joy it would be to get 15 million Poles!

[Mini Mokik]

Why Polyakov? The scorched steppe as a buffer.

[man]

Quote from alexoff

Quote: Seal

But we will get part of Poland together with its capital

What a joy it would be to get 15 million Poles!

Don't worry, after seeing our wonderful happy life, they will quickly die out of horror.

[man]

Quote: Seal

Quote: Reserve officer

The normal historical course is the restoration of the borders of our country within the USSR.

Better to stick to the 1913 borders. We'll lose Kaliningrad, though. But we'll gain part of Poland, including its capital, and all of Finland. We'll keep Kaliningrad, too, though.

Alaska is forgotten... and part of California

[Gardamir]

Miklouho-Maclay also wanted to annex New Guinea.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Seal

we will get part of Poland

Do we really need it? The Kingdom of Poland was always a real pain in the neck for Russian emperors, too.

[man]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Seal

we will get part of Poland

Do we really need it? The Kingdom of Poland was always a real pain in the neck for Russian emperors, too.

"What are you doing, son of a bitch, impostor, squandering government lands?!
But you won’t have enough volosts!”

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Seal

Better within the 1913 borders.

And if we also remember what Peter the Great bought from the Swedish crown...

[Sergej1972]

What Peter the Great bought was both part of the Empire and part of the USSR.

[man]

Quote: Reserve officer

The normal historical course is the restoration of our country's borders within the USSR. I would very much like to live to see that.

It's too late. It's 20-30 years too late... there are almost no Soviet ones left.

[SEVERIN]

I would really like to live to see Russia restored to the borders of the Russian Empire of 1913, so that there are no republics, but only provinces!

[carpenter]

Quote: Reserve officer

The normal historical course is the restoration of our country's borders within the USSR. I would very much like to live to see that.

And even better within the borders of the Russian Empire.

[Reklastik]

The normal historical course is the restoration of the borders of our country within the USSR.

- not borders, but a USSR changed for the better.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Reserve officer

"Now, according to Vladimir Putin, the task is to return everything to its normal historical course."

Will Finland and Poland, Central Asia, and even Alaska also be returned to their historical course, or did the Bolsheviks not "persuade" anyone there?

[d1975-value]

Just in a truncated form, first we need to condemn EBN and his gathering in the forest, well, you get the idea. If the Yeltsin Center hasn't been closed yet.

[ugol2]

Quote: Reserve officer

The normal historical course is the restoration of our country's borders within the USSR. I would very much like to live to see that.

Why only within the USSR? Why not within the Russian Empire?
Can you answer this specific question?

Understand me correctly, I am not against your proposal, but why exactly within the borders you proposed, since the Russian Empire was larger than the USSR.

[snow mountain]

The normal historical course is the restoration of our country's borders within the USSR. I would very much like to live to see that.

Do you want to put Armenians, Tajiks and "other various Swedes" on your neck again?

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Stock Officer

"Now, according to Vladimir Putin, the task is to return everything to its normal historical course."
The normal historical course is the restoration of our country's borders within the USSR. I would very much like to live to see that.

How will you restore it?

[alexoff]

The head of state recalled the historical context: Left-bank Ukraine was traditionally considered part of Russia.

Kyiv, Zhitomir, and Odessa are traditionally Russian cities; no Jews, let alone Anglo-Saxons, have ever been found there. Trying to prove anything to those raised by Third Reich agents of influence like Stetsko and the rest of the gang who later defected to the CIA is pointless. If the enemy doesn't surrender, they kill him, and it doesn't matter how the crazy overseas old man reacts.

[Sergey Novikov_3]

Well, first of all, we need to recognize it as a war, and not as a military conflict.

[Lelik2026]

Yesterday I had a strange dream. Russia warned Germany to evacuate workers at a plant producing UAVs for the Ukrainian Armed Forces and residents within a 10-kilometer radius due to an impending missile strike. Law-abiding Germans quickly left the area, and the whole world froze in front of the TV, including me, waiting for the fire show. But then a motorcycle passed by outside, and I woke up.

[anjey]

It happens that dreams come true,,,,

[man]

Quote: Lelik2026

But a motorcycle passed by on the street and I woke up.

And Trump was probably riding the motorcycle?

[Lelik2026]

No, I don't think Zelensky, riding on a motorcycle, let me finish the inspection. There were also a lot of reporters there, and they were arguing about whether it would be hazelnut or zircon.

[SAG]

If it were a piano, then it would be green 100%...but otherwise it's not clear!

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Lelik2026

But a motorcycle passed by on the street and I woke up.

Thank God it wasn't a drone made in this very factory.

[Lelik2026]

You know, at first we had Westerns, where they shot at anything and everything. Now they're shooting down drones and unmanned aerial vehicles somewhere far away. The Black Sea Fleet is alive and well, and it'll show its worth yet.

[Lelik2026]

I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months Odessans will be welcoming our and Ukrainian (real, not stupid Western villagers) marines with joy in their city.

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Lelik2026

I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months Odessans will be welcoming our and Ukrainian (real, not stupid Western villagers) marines with joy in their city.

Where did you see real Ukrainian marines?
I read the comments and my hair stands on end. Haven't you had enough of fighting yet? What did the president say this time about the ultimate goals of the Sao?

[Lelik2026]

At first they flew like locusts, but their wings were quickly broken. Now they fear They approach military installations and attack civilians. I think the time will come when they will be destroyed along with their families, like the ships in the Black Sea.

[snow mountain]

I had a strange dream yesterday

Oh, I wish I could see this in real life!

[Vladimir M]

Just think that the "Ukrainian question" could have been resolved "painlessly" in 14-15...
But we don't need "easy ways".

[man]

Quote: Vladimir M

But we don't need "easy ways".

Yeah... we are a nation of climbers, you can't take that away from us

[Vladimir M]

“We” are like samurai - “there is no goal, there is only a path.”
We just need to understand where this “path” leads us.

[ZloyCat]

"We just need to understand where this 'path' is leading us."
We cannot be led astray, we don't care where we go

[NakedMan]

It wouldn't have been painless. The economy would have simply collapsed under the sanctions, and whether we'd have been able to recover from that is unknown. It's quite possible that we'd have a different, pro-Western government now, and tensions on the border with China.

[Vladimir M]

Are you saying we were allowed to return Crimea? But were forbidden from returning the rest?
There would be the same sanctions as after the return of Crimea, nothing more.

[NakedMan]

Why not the same ones now? Yes, sanctions could increase, depending on how hard they step on the West's tail.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Naked Man

It is very possible that now there would be a different, pro-Western government.

interesting, huh? "about what"Do you consider the government to be sitting in the Kremlin?

Quote: Naked Man

...and tension on the border with China.

giving free economic areas to the Chinese... what are they "about"?!

spitting on the fading demography of the Slavs on their ancestral territory, they start wars, and at the same time they talk about "labor migration", from Pakistan, Tajikistan, and the like...
What are they "about"...?!

Will you raise a glass to them?!

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Vladimir M

Just think that the "Ukrainian question" could have been resolved "painlessly" in 14-15...
But we don't need "easy ways".

You think it was possible. It seemed like they'd imprisoned their president, but no, something went wrong. Now Armenia has gone down the same path. Will you address this issue too?

[Vladimir M]

So I have a question: why are “we” jumping around that Armenia again?
If she's dead, then she's dead. No, we're making the same mistake again.

[Silver99]

So we need to cast aside all false prejudices about brothers and sisters and start destroying the Banderites; such a rotten formation as anti-Russia should not exist on planet Earth.

[Oleg Valov]

Well, this is very interesting!
By the way, let's return to historical facts.
1. A Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership (often referred to as the “Big Treaty”) was concluded between Russia and Ukraine, signed on May 31, 1997.
The wording about “mutual assistance” was typical for treaties of the Soviet period (for example, the treaty between the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR of 1990), whereas in the 1997 document the parties consolidated relations of strategic partnership, respect for borders and territorial integrity.
Further,
The agreement entered into force on April 1, 1999 for a period of 10 years with automatic renewal.
The essence of the document: the countries recognized each other's borders, pledged to respect territorial integrity and resolve all disputes only by peaceful means.
But alas!
Ukraine went its own way and created a principle. ☹️
In September 2018, the President of Ukraine signed a decree terminating the agreement due to armed conflict.
So, the official end: as of April 1, 2019, the agreement was finally terminated at the initiative of the Ukrainian side.
I must also add that Ukraine unilaterally terminated all other treaties and intergovernmental relations with Russia on all issues.
Well, now some interesting information.
If we consider the collapse of the USSR to be illegal, as supported by the results of the official referendum of the peoples of the USSR in 1991, then an interesting picture emerges:
The majority of citizens (approximately 77%) voted to preserve the Soviet Union. In six republics (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia, and Moldova), the highest authorities boycotted the official referendum, although in some of them, voting still took place in private.
And, by the way, Ukraine voted for the USSR.
In this vote, the majority of the Ukrainian population voted for the preservation of the USSR in its updated form. 70,2% of participants voted "Yes" to the all-Union question of preserving the federation.
At the same time, residents of the republic were asked an additional republic-specific question: "Do you agree that Ukraine should be part of the Union of Soviet Sovereign States based on the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine?"
Even more citizens answered affirmatively – 80,2%.
The exception was three regions of Western Ukraine (Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil), where the majority voted against preserving the USSR.
Ah, that's already a law!
And what the local authorities did next in Ukraine can be considered illegal!
Output.
Yes, Putin is right!
Here you can conduct the dialogue however you want.
It can be argued that, given that Russia is the legal successor to the USSR, Ukraine can also be considered a legitimate part of it. 😅
Oil painting!

[Vladimir M]

But all this should have been done in 2014, or at least not interfere with the east, south and north of Ukraine (the outskirts of Russia).

[uralex]

And, by the way, Ukraine voted for the USSR.

And in the 90s, everyone looked at "pantsless Russia" and suddenly wanted the "lace panties" of the Europeans...

[man]

Quote: Oleg Valov

Ukraine, by the way, voted for the USSR.

The RSFSR, by the way, too.

[Gardamir]

What do you say about 2014?

[Oleg Valov]

What can you say? Total crap. Bad negotiations and irresponsibility.

[carpenter]

Quote: Oleg Valov

In six republics (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia, Moldova), the highest authorities boycotted the official conduct of the referendum, but in some of them voting still took place in private.

In the Baltics, on Eltsin's orders, a referendum wasn't held, but we did hold one privately, and Moscow didn't recognize it. We realized we'd been sold out and betrayed.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Oleg Valov

Ukraine went its own way and created a principle. ☹️
In September 2018, the President of Ukraine signed a decree terminating the agreement due to armed conflict.

Your logic is a bit flawed... Crimea existed before 2018... meaning the agreement essentially expired in 2014.

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Oleg Valov

Well, this is very interesting!
By the way, let's return to historical facts.
1. A Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership (often referred to as the “Big Treaty”) was concluded between Russia and Ukraine, signed on May 31, 1997.
The wording about “mutual assistance” was typical for treaties of the Soviet period (for example, the treaty between the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR of 1990), whereas in the 1997 document the parties consolidated relations of strategic partnership, respect for borders and territorial integrity.
Further,
The agreement entered into force on April 1, 1999 for a period of 10 years with automatic renewal.
The essence of the document: the countries recognized each other's borders, pledged to respect territorial integrity and resolve all disputes only by peaceful means.
But alas!
Ukraine went its own way and created a principle. ☹️
In September 2018, the President of Ukraine signed a decree terminating the agreement due to armed conflict.
So, the official end: as of April 1, 2019, the agreement was finally terminated at the initiative of the Ukrainian side.
I must also add that Ukraine unilaterally terminated all other treaties and intergovernmental relations with Russia on all issues.
Well, now some interesting information.
If we consider the collapse of the USSR to be illegal, as supported by the results of the official referendum of the peoples of the USSR in 1991, then an interesting picture emerges:
The majority of citizens (approximately 77%) voted to preserve the Soviet Union. In six republics (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia, and Moldova), the highest authorities boycotted the official referendum, although in some of them, voting still took place in private.
And, by the way, Ukraine voted for the USSR.
In this vote, the majority of the Ukrainian population voted for the preservation of the USSR in its updated form. 70,2% of participants voted "Yes" to the all-Union question of preserving the federation.
At the same time, residents of the republic were asked an additional republic-specific question: "Do you agree that Ukraine should be part of the Union of Soviet Sovereign States based on the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine?"
Even more citizens answered affirmatively – 80,2%.
The exception was three regions of Western Ukraine (Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil), where the majority voted against preserving the USSR.
Ah, that's already a law!
And what the local authorities did next in Ukraine can be considered illegal!
Output.
Yes, Putin is right!
Here you can conduct the dialogue however you want.
It can be argued that, given that Russia is the legal successor to the USSR, Ukraine can also be considered a legitimate part of it. 😅
Oil painting!

There's just one thing:
A referendum doesn't automatically become law. Therefore, all your conclusions are false.
And the second point. On December 1, 1991, a nationwide referendum on independence was held. Of the 80% of voters who took part, 90% confirmed their support for the act of independence.

[Oleg Valov]

I agree.
Yes, that is indeed how it was.
However, the result of the first referendum was thrown away by the President of the USSR Gorbachev, but the second one in Ukraine was implemented.

Come on.
Counterquestion.
So, we should recognize the second one, in Ukraine? Right? 🤪
And why not similar referendums in Donbas, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson regions? 😏

Does this mean I do it the way I want?

Well, then it’s even simpler: if the USSR was recognized as having collapsed, then Ukraine, too, doesn’t exist!
And who authorized these three clowns: Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich to do these things?

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Oleg Valov

I agree.
Yes, that is indeed how it was.
However, the result of the first referendum was thrown away by the President of the USSR Gorbachev, but the second one in Ukraine was implemented.

Come on.
Counterquestion.
So, we should recognize the second one, in Ukraine? Right? 🤪
And why not similar referendums in Donbas, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson regions? 😏

Does this mean I do it the way I want?

Well, then it’s even simpler: if the USSR was recognized as having collapsed, then Ukraine, too, doesn’t exist!
And who authorized these three clowns: Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich to do these things?

You may not recognize it, but at the state level, everything has long been recognized. Even Poroshenko's election, which made Yanukovych illegitimate.
This is all because the USSR Constitution provided for republics to secede. The Russian and Ukrainian constitutions do not.

[Oleg Valov]

How do you read this?
For example, the right to self-determination is enshrined in Article 1, paragraph 2, of the UN Charter, as well as in Article 1 common to the covenants of the International Covenants on Human Rights and the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (UN General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV)). The wording is "up to and including secession."
Article 1 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights: Proclaims that all peoples have the right to self-determination and freely determine their political status.
This means that Ukrainian legislation does not comply with international law.
And if this is so, the country is excluded from UN membership.
The right of secession in UN practice has historically been applied primarily to peoples under foreign or colonial domination.
Throughout the history of the UN, the right of peoples to self-determination has led to the creation and international recognition of dozens of countries. This occurred most widely during the decolonization era in the 1950s–1970s.
Algeria (1962): Gained independence from France after years of war and an official referendum on self-determination. India and Pakistan (1947): The division of the former British colony (British India) into two sovereign states. Dozens of African countries (1960): The so-called "Year of Africa", when 17 colonial territories declared self-determination and became independent states.
Well, and the USSR, they even squealed with joy here.
Of course. Such a success.
But Ukraine will still be fragmented, and more than once.
And very soon.

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Oleg Valov

How do you read this?
For example, the right to self-determination is enshrined in Article 1, paragraph 2, of the UN Charter, as well as in Article 1 common to the covenants of the International Covenants on Human Rights and the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (UN General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV)). The wording is "up to and including secession."
Article 1 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights: Proclaims that all peoples have the right to self-determination and freely determine their political status.
This means that Ukrainian legislation does not comply with international law.
And if this is so, the country is excluded from UN membership.
The right of secession in UN practice has historically been applied primarily to peoples under foreign or colonial domination.
Throughout the history of the UN, the right of peoples to self-determination has led to the creation and international recognition of dozens of countries. This occurred most widely during the decolonization era in the 1950s–1970s.
Algeria (1962): Gained independence from France after years of war and an official referendum on self-determination. India and Pakistan (1947): The division of the former British colony (British India) into two sovereign states. Dozens of African countries (1960): The so-called "Year of Africa", when 17 colonial territories declared self-determination and became independent states.
Well, and the USSR, they even squealed with joy here.
Of course. Such a success.
But Ukraine will still be fragmented, and more than once.
And very soon.

In that case, why didn’t they allow Chechnya to secede?

[Oleg Valov]

What for?
Everyone will run away then.
And so, much in the world has already sailed away on its own.
Everyone wants to be independent, live separately and rule.
From the Leader to the director of the kindergarten.

So it was, is and will be.
And the undesirables will be taught and educated, and not only with a belt.

This also awaits Ukraine.
They'll break it up into regions, or even districts, killing off all the inconvenient ones. From both sides!
And the Ukrainians themselves will do this and help.

And only Russia can stop this division.
Only empires survive in the world.
And the unwanted tribes are slaughtered.
What few examples?
So, start with the two Americas, Africa.
Ah, today there is a redivision of Europe.
Everything is still ahead.
There will be no more Baltic states, no more Balkan and Byzantine states.
It’s a pity that we, today’s spectators, will not survive this theatrical transformation.

Let its active phase begin after us.
Therefore, we need to persuade, temporarily, all these Western faggots to agree to acceptable conditions.
Or, chop them down with a nuclear weapon while not everyone has one yet!
But with this scenario, tomorrow Zelensky will have it too?
Or does it already exist?
Our Volodya, too, is silent and thoughtful? ☹️
He knows more than us.

By Christmas we should take Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, and approach Zaparozhje and Sumy.
And by the summer of 2027, we'll completely liberate all of Russia's new regions. I think that's realistic.

And maybe also Sumy and Dnipropetrovsk regions.
Kharkov and Odessa will remain.
I don't think there's enough strength for them yet.
But, they are being created today in Russia.

[ZloyCat]

"We should take Kramatorsk and Slavyansk by Christmas."
By Christmas, or by Easter? And should they at least specify the year in their forecasts, like 2028 or 2030? Otherwise, it's kind of general and unconvincing. But otherwise, it's certainly optimistic, like Staver's.
"And by the summer of 2027, completely liberate everything."
Your imagination is running wild. Ask your doctor for something calming for the night. And don't read the newspapers, I mean, don't watch TV. Maybe it will help.

[Oleg Valov]

I can buy and send you a bag of Whiskas, then you won’t have to rummage through the trash.
And you won't find any news there either.
I can even do two.
To increase optimism.

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Oleg Valov

What for?
Everyone will run away then.
And so, much in the world has already sailed away on its own.
Everyone wants to be independent, live separately and rule.
From the Leader to the director of the kindergarten.

So it was, is and will be.
And the undesirables will be taught and educated, and not only with a belt.

This also awaits Ukraine.
They'll break it up into regions, or even districts, killing off all the inconvenient ones. From both sides!
And the Ukrainians themselves will do this and help.

And only Russia can stop this division.
Only empires survive in the world.
And the unwanted tribes are slaughtered.
What few examples?
So, start with the two Americas, Africa.
Ah, today there is a redivision of Europe.
Everything is still ahead.
There will be no more Baltic states, no more Balkan and Byzantine states.
It’s a pity that we, today’s spectators, will not survive this theatrical transformation.

Let its active phase begin after us.
Therefore, we need to persuade, temporarily, all these Western faggots to agree to acceptable conditions.
Or, chop them down with a nuclear weapon while not everyone has one yet!
But with this scenario, tomorrow Zelensky will have it too?
Or does it already exist?
Our Volodya, too, is silent and thoughtful? ☹️
He knows more than us.

By Christmas we should take Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, and approach Zaparozhje and Sumy.
And by the summer of 2027, we'll completely liberate all of Russia's new regions. I think that's realistic.

And maybe also Sumy and Dnipropetrovsk regions.
Kharkov and Odessa will remain.
I don't think there's enough strength for them yet.
But, they are being created today in Russia.

Europe has long been moving toward unification, with nominal borders. And rightly so. But a country wishing to join the EU must accept certain requirements and meet standards. And only Russia is trying to create some kind of BRICS, which offers virtually no benefit.

[Oleg Valov]

Well, we are not invited anywhere else.
We stopped giving them money, sending our troops, and that's how the love ended.

We have no allies, not a single one.
Although North Korea's participation is very interesting.
Although, I think they gave something there too.
Only hope for yourself.
Your army and navy. And it wasn't me who said that.

[single-n]

Lenin is to blame again. Lenin practically reassembled the Russian empire under complete encirclement, fighting off a multitude of armies and foreign invasions. And without nukes or missiles, he recaptured Donbass faster than that decision-maker. He'd been drawing these pretentious lines for four years. And now he's realized he'd been deceived again.

[man]

Quote: Single-n

Lenin is to blame again

But about Yeltsin, who gave it away while drunk ALL Ukraine and a lot more, mind you, silence

[LaraM]

But about Yeltsin, who, while drunk, gave away ALL of Ukraine and much more, mind you, there is silence

The Yeltsin Center supervisory board members and Austrian citizens are also silent about Yumashev-Dyachenko. Basically, it's all clear. The fish has long since rotted.

[Seaflanker]

Lenin recreated not the Russian Empire, but the world's first socialist state. Of course, those who now indulge in soul-searching over the ruins of the USSR can only equate the Reds and the Whites, in order to somehow satisfy their vanity.

[single-n]

I meant geographically.

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Seaflanker

Lenin recreated not the Russian Empire, but the world's first socialist state. Of course, those who now indulge in soul-searching over the ruins of the USSR can only equate the Reds and the Whites, in order to somehow satisfy their vanity.

Actually, the Bolsheviks wanted to build communism. But this is impossible.

[NakedMan]

He tore it down, then put it back together. But not all of it. He killed a bunch of people in a civil war against each other.

[Skorin]

After Tokarev's statement, he started making excuses almost the next day. And again, Lenin is to blame. Why Genghis Khan or Napoleon? That means he doesn't feel confident in his position.

[man]

Quote: Skorin

After Tokarev's statement, he began making excuses almost the next day. And again, Lenin was to blame.

He just didn’t do well at school and doesn’t know that Pushkin is to blame for everything!

[Adrey]

Now, according to Vladimir Putin, the task is to return everything to its normal historical course.

Will there be anything else besides words?

[man]

Quote: Adrey

Now, according to Vladimir Putin, the task is to return everything to its normal historical course.

Will there be anything else besides words?

Probably one of the courtiers told the highly respected Vladimir Vladimirovich that he is an unsurpassed orator!

[gribanov.c]

Left-bank Ukraine was traditionally considered part of Russia,

And what was the right bank traditionally considered to be after the third partition of Poland?

[NakedMan]

Well, yes, it’s a half-hearted solution, it needs to be re-solved :)

[Personal opinion]

Some study history, others make it. Putin is trying to teach it—for what purpose and for whom?
We know it, the West is not interested.

[Ed Mac]

Is the revision of the results of the privatization of large state property in the 90s part of the normal historical course?

[Oleg Valov]

Ah, let's dream.
What would have happened if the communists had come to power again in the last elections?
What, have they started cutting police, officers, United Russia officials again and fighting for individual entrepreneurs?
There are almost no peasants in their pure form?
And so what?

[Personal opinion]

Cut, why scare?
They should have gone the Chinese way, or perhaps, based on their experience, improved it to suit the Russian mentality.

[SAG]

No, it's not! Putin has stated this explicitly on more than one occasion. There should be no pretext for civil war in the context of the global standoff with the West.
P.S: Well, if you dream... in 50 years at best, long after the word dollar becomes a swear word!

[LaraM]

Is the revision of the results of the privatization of large state property in the 90s part of the normal historical course?

Yes) Twice. He has idiots like Abramovich living outside of Russia, but with money from Russia, and all he does is mumble: "People can live wherever they want." So answer me then: why don't these people of yours want to live in your Russia? And it's precisely because of them, the people living there, that everything is going treacherously and heading towards defeat.

[Coconut Tima]

The western regions that Ukraine inherited after World War II will return to Poland, Hungary, and Romania, President Vladimir Putin announced at a meeting with sailors on Navy Day.

[ZloyCat]

"will return to Poland, Hungary, and Romania," President Vladimir Putin said.
Does this amount to a revision of the results of World War II, or is it something else?

[hermit]

Putin is once again scaring the West by claiming all of southeastern Ukraine. But the West couldn't care less how much of Ukraine's territory he takes. The West is currently constructing a new Iron Curtain in Ukraine. And it won't extend beyond Ukraine's western border. It's a tragedy for the country and a blessing for all its enemies that it has been governed for over a quarter of a century by such a, to put it mildly, less-than-intelligent man.

[oleg_627]

If he's going to start ranting, then tear down Yeltsin's city centers and anathematize his name, the one who divided Russians and sold out the entire country. Attract the oligarchs' and bankers' money for the war. Back in 14, he didn't support the entire south and east of Ukraine. We could have easily annexed them, the people were waiting. Our politics are like a deck of cards; the same people always sit there, only sometimes they get shuffled around and their children are even dragged into ministerial positions. And the oligarchs are still the ones deciding the war. Don't hit my factory there, don't hit my business friend there. Abramovich went to sign a treaty, released all the Azovites, and so on and so forth. He even started his own business with the banquet generals.

[LASVEGAS]

Quote: coconut tim

The western regions that Ukraine inherited after World War II will return to Poland, Hungary, and Romania, President Vladimir Putin announced at a meeting with sailors on Navy Day.

Sounds loud and interesting, like trying to interest the neighbors of a troubled country :)
But in reality, neither Putin nor any other current politician would say such a thing.

[tabex]

I don't agree here, he should have been released in 2014.

[Andrey Mishin]

It's all true, but it took him 12 years to realize it, like a giraffe.

[Numanumaye]

With such initial preparation, one could say so.

[Serge_76]

The best option would be to withdraw the Ukrainian army from Ukrainian territory, but for some reason, the higher-ups are no longer talking about this...

[anclevalico]

She started it. By signing the Minsk agreements, she made war inevitable.

[amr]

Quote: bayard

The Dnepropetrovsk Philharmonic was involved in this.

Wasn't this the philharmonic that all this was started for?

- A land without people, for people without land?

[Anatoly Eliseev]

Lenin and Khrushchev gave Russian lands to the Ukrainians.