The Arena-M, upgraded to combat drones, did not work against the drone.

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The Arena-M, upgraded to combat drones, did not work against the drone.

Just recently, Ukrainian Telegram channels and other media outlets distributed a video showing FPV-Drone unhindered affects Russian танк T-72B3A, equipped with the Arena-M active protection system, modified to destroy unmanned aerial vehicles.

The footage, of course, immediately spread across the Internet and, as expected, caused a lot of questions and indignation on the one hand, and a lot of ridicule and accusations of the uselessness of the Russian product on the other.




Video of a T-72B3A tank being hit by an FPV drone

It's unlikely that Arena-M doesn't see drones.


This incident is, of course, quite unpleasant simply from a reputational standpoint. As we know, the Arena-M anti-drone system is a long-term project. We've been waiting for years for even a small batch of tanks with this active protection system (APS). And now, vehicles with this APS have already appeared in the combat zone, only to be met with such a public and humiliating fiasco.

A column of tanks is moving. An FPV drone calmly approaches one of the vehicles and fires on it without any problems. The active defense simply failed. But what caused this?

I don't want to write a critique or defend the developers or Uralvagonzavod itself—we've seen all too well how long it took to fix the tank fender protection issue and design/order proper tank grills. But in this case, it's impossible to say definitively that the Arena-M is ineffective against drones.

It’s simply impossible because both our Arena-M and the updated Israeli EuroTrophy operate on the same principle: they detect drones using the micro-Doppler effect created by rotating propeller blades. dronesThe Israelis wouldn't have used such a solution if it weren't working—they'd also have to protect their Merkavas and the tanks of foreign buyers.

Here the reasons why it didn't work are rather more mundane.

From "not turned on" to a lack of ammunition


Perhaps we should start with the fact that the Arena-M, although a modernized active defense system capable of combating drones, is based on old Soviet designs that were not designed for situations where a tank would be hit by a huge pile of ammunition at once.

Therefore, for each protected sector, this system essentially has a meager supply of counter-munitions that can destroy a dangerous target. Due to ammunition limitations, the Arena-M simply won't be able to counter multiple drones attacking from the same direction.

Colonel Viktor Murakhovsky, military expert and editor-in-chief of the magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland," wrote about this on his Telegram channel. Quote:

The military is highly skeptical of the upgraded Arena-M2 active defense system, designed to protect tanks from FPV drone strikes. The number of warheads is clearly fewer than the number of attacking drones...

This means that by the time of the attack, the Arena-M on the tank featured in the video could have already been discharged—there was nothing left to fire at the drones. But it could also have simply been turned off.

The problem is that the Arena-M must be activated manually, using the appropriate controls. This means it doesn't automatically switch to combat mode, where the crew has taken their positions, closed the hatches, started the engine, and engaged the fire control system and other systems. Everything must be done manually.

Let us quote Murakhovsky again (spelling preserved):

Moreover, the very principle of manual activation of the KAZ raises doubts...

In other words, the Arena-M on the tank being attacked might not have worked at all. Whether it was forgotten to be turned on or intentionally left unturned is a minor matter, but a successful drone attack could have been the result of precisely this scenario.

And this doesn't even take into account the fact that the Arena-M could shut down on its own. This happens if any crew member opens their hatch—be it the driver, gunner, or commander. This is for their own safety, to prevent the firing of counter-munitions and their detonation from injuring the tank crew.

Importantly, the term "open hatch" here includes both the technically detected "open" state detected by the sensor and possible marginal states where the hatch is not fully closed or blocked. Even slightly opening the hatch immediately disables the APS. This was the case with the Soviet Drozd, and it's present in our Arena and the Israeli Trophy.

Finally, Arena-M ammunition for tanks operating in special military operations zones may have trouble consistently delivering to the front. This is, of course, highly unlikely, but given the high cost of the equipment, it could theoretically happen.

These are far from simply two steel plates with explosives between them, as in dynamic protection, but rather complex counter-munitions, capable of changing their position in space depending on the calculations of the APS electronics and forming a directed fragmentation stream to destroy attacking weapons.

Conclusions


The fact that the Arena-M on the tank failed and the drone did fire on it is, of course, very disappointing. But judging the effectiveness of this system based on this specific incident is a thankless task. There are too many reasons why it didn't work, and too few answers yet. We can only wait for more widespread use of vehicles equipped with this system to evaluate the Arena's effectiveness.

But for now, to some extent, this all resembles the situation with Israeli Merkava tanks in the Gaza Strip, when videos appeared online of Hamas fighters successfully destroying these tanks, despite the fact that the vehicles had active protection. The Israelis were mercilessly hated back then, but the problem was that no one posted videos of the active protection working as intended, and there could have been many more such instances.
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  1. +6
    27 July 2026 05: 15
    From "not turned on" to a lack of ammunition

    Shouldn't the Ministry of Defense be providing this information and voicing the reasons? Not bloggers reading tea leaves... The Ukrainians should have just turned on the anti-crisis measures already!
    1. + 16
      27 July 2026 10: 03
      Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
      Shouldn't the Ministry of Defense be providing this information and explaining the reasons? Not bloggers?

      That's the problem. Since the Ministry of Defense isn't commenting on this issue (or anything else), and people are worried, bloggers are starting to fill the information vacuum.

      That's better than nothing. request
      Well, if the Ministry of Defense had a well-established public relations program, it would be ideal. But that seems like science fiction.
  2. +6
    27 July 2026 05: 19
    Whether the Arena is operational or not, the fact remains: the tank's rear is completely uncovered. This means the developers ignored the experience of barbecue grill construction and assumed the enemy would launch no more drones than ammunition in the Arena, even at 100% operational.
    1. +7
      27 July 2026 06: 13
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      This means that the developers ignored the experience of barbecue construction.

      How to install KAZ on a barbecue grill?
      1. -2
        27 July 2026 06: 40
        Quote: Puncher
        How to install KAZ on a barbecue grill?

        And just like on the turret, the top edges are a matter of the massiveness of the main grill frame. Like the Trophy, it needs to be adapted to different armor types, because the Jews don't demand that the Abrams be like the Merkava. Not to mention the Boxer...
      2. 0
        27 July 2026 07: 30
        A retractable mast-rod should house the system itself and a circle of counter-munitions. Such a thing could even be located on top of a barbecue grill. But we need to think about any interlocks to disable the system. Perhaps a remote control on the tank commander's wrist is needed, or maybe on all crew members—we need to look at it, study it, and check it.
    2. -1
      28 July 2026 09: 44
      As an option, to support the Arena-M KAZ, install 4-6 ARGSN Slanetz-type OLS on an infantry fighting vehicle, BMPT, or tank
      and program updated software for the KAZ brains
      + 200 mortars from the Afghan KAZ in a circle:
      100 horizontally, 50 at an angle, 50 vertically upwards
  3. +6
    27 July 2026 06: 13
    videos where active protection worked as expected, but there could have been many more such moments.

    Well, that's the problem: it doesn't really make much difference whether the enemy spends 10 drones or three, but the APS system is very expensive.
    1. +1
      27 July 2026 07: 34
      Ammunition shouldn't be expensive, otherwise it's the wrong approach. Perhaps the ammunition for an ATGM or a sub-caliber crowbar and the ammunition for an FPV should be different. That is, if in the first case it needs to be more powerful, then against an FPV a special blast wave isn't needed.
      1. +4
        27 July 2026 08: 05
        Quote: Graz
        Ammunition shouldn't be expensive, otherwise it's the wrong approach.

        The KAZ ammunition itself is probably cheap, but the system itself is very expensive.
        1. +2
          27 July 2026 09: 03
          Quote: Puncher
          Quote: Graz
          Ammunition shouldn't be expensive, otherwise it's the wrong approach.

          The KAZ ammunition itself is probably cheap, but the system itself is very expensive.

          It's unlikely, the ammunition is cheap: on the latest modifications of the Arena it has a rotation system (it can cover a sector whose ammunition has already been used up).
          The Arena APS was developed against targets flying at speeds of 70-700 m/s, and therefore the computer must be very fast. It is unlikely to be able to handle the tasks of determining what is slowly approaching the tank and whether it is flying towards the tank or past it - this will hardly be possible without degrading the performance of the main tasks (ATGM, RPG, etc.).
          There needs to be a dedicated system against drones: with a smart computer (performance requirements are much lower), possibly with AI, and cheap consumables (in large quantities)
      2. 0
        27 July 2026 13: 17
        I'm thinking the same thing – a large FPV isn't necessary. So, theoretically, a munition is fired upward (preferably toward the drone), perhaps not particularly powerful, but producing a large number of fragments. This munition is fired and detonates at an altitude of, say, 2 meters above the tank. If the fragments spread out 30 meters, that might be enough. The munitions can also be fired in a burst, as long as the drone flies into the kill zone. So, a very high-speed computer might not be necessary. Its job is to determine the drone's course from 100 meters away, and if it's closing in on the tank, a 10-second burst is fired, say, in its direction.
        Something similar to AGS
      3. +1
        28 July 2026 11: 07
        ammunition should not be expensive

        KAZ cannot be cheap; cheapness means barbecue and electronic warfare.
        There's a huge amount of room for improvement there, but it's not fun to do. You can't make much money off a 300-600 ruble grill. KAZ, for 20-30 million, is a completely different story.
    2. +1
      27 July 2026 15: 20
      What's so special about the arena's ammunition? It's like a block of dz, only with shrapnel. Definitely much cheaper than a drone. The gunner could even have a suitcase of these blocks on hand, just pop out of the tank and shove them in place of the spent one. And that's the most basic option. You could even fire back with an anti-aircraft machine gun on command.
      1. +1
        27 July 2026 17: 19
        Quote from alexoff
        maybe even a suitcase of these blocks

        Unfortunately, I don't know the recharging circuit for these units. You might be right.
        1. 0
          27 July 2026 18: 46
          Well, from the outside, they look like boxes that fit into compartments. In my opinion, they could be loaded using a revolver from one end—fire one, everything rotates, and a new one slides into the empty space.
          And if there are no ATGMs, you can just stick net launchers in boxes. I don't even know if anyone uses ATGMs anymore. request
          1. 0
            27 July 2026 18: 57
            Quote from alexoff
            Well, in appearance they look like boxes that are placed in cell-pockets.

            There must be pyropatrons that need to be charged into the cell, or the cell must have contacts to activate the pyropatrons on the block.
            Our developers clearly came up with separate pyropatrons. It's more expensive that way.
            1. +2
              27 July 2026 20: 54
              ...But twenty years ago, a certain Bill Gates commissioned an anti-mosquito laser—a system that scans a few dozen meters for mosquitoes and blasts them with a laser. And it succeeded—the computers of the time, without any AI, found mosquitoes, distinguished them from moths, and then went pew-pew. And yet, the angular size of a mosquito at 10 meters is the same as that of a drone at several kilometers.
              Lasers were never put on sale because they couldn't guarantee that a mosquito wouldn't fly past the owner's nose and the laser wouldn't blind them, or that the beam wouldn't reflect off a glass. But mosquitoes are more dangerous, and you can't repel them with a spray! A shotgun instead of a laser, and let them fire away. request
              1. +2
                28 July 2026 03: 30
                Quote from alexoff
                The lasers were never put on sale.

                Chinese engineers unveiled the Photon Matrix, a device designed to detect and kill mosquitoes mid-flight, on the Indiegogo crowdfunding platform. The device uses lidar to detect the insects and destroys them with a powerful laser.

                Quote from alexoff
                because they couldn't guarantee that the mosquito wouldn't fly past the host's nose and the laser wouldn't deprive him of his sight

                For safety, the device has a built-in millimeter-wave radar that blocks operation when people or pets appear in its field of view.

                Quote from alexoff
                A shotgun instead of a laser and let him shoot

                Search for "automatic drone turret" and you'll get dozens of news stories about successful trials in Russia and all that. But they're not there.
                1. +1
                  28 July 2026 10: 11
                  For safety, the device has a built-in millimeter-wave radar that blocks operation when people or pets appear in its field of view.
                  The same thing happened with the bourgeois system. But no one could give a 100% guarantee that there wouldn't be a failure. That's why the Chinese only introduced
                  But they are not there.
                  Yeah, it's not in service. And Lobaev showed off the turret two years ago. I don't know how it ended. Apparently, like with the others, nothing.
                  https://youtu.be/8lQh3l4CIZw?is=R9H7ApPI-ls7OTM7
                  1. +3
                    28 July 2026 10: 21
                    Quote from alexoff
                    Apparently, like the others, nothing

                    There are two options. 1. What was presented didn't actually work; 2. The main client is stupid and clumsy.
                    1. 0
                      28 July 2026 10: 30
                      Quote: Puncher
                      Quote from alexoff
                      Apparently, like the others, nothing

                      There are two options. 1. What was presented didn't actually work; 2. The main client is stupid and clumsy.

                      They don't even study combat experience...professionalism...
                      Russian tank crews use standard smoke mortars to shoot down enemy drones attacking tanks. According to a tanker with the 177th Separate Guards Marine Regiment of the Center Forces Group, call sign Jin, the mortar's smoke charge is removed and it is equipped with various bolts and nuts. Observation is conducted through 360-degree cameras mounted on a protective grill.
                      1. 0
                        28 July 2026 10: 47
                        Quote: Konnick
                        They don't even study combat experience...professionalism...

                        They're not in danger of getting hit by a drone. Don't you notice they don't care how many people die there or why? The Uzbeks and Tajiks will replace everyone. They reproduce better, too.
                    2. 0
                      28 July 2026 11: 38
                      I think there is a first, a second, a third, and compote here.
                2. 0
                  28 July 2026 14: 27
                  I don't think so for nothing. A turret is like throwing stones at mosquitoes. After hitting a bunch of things and everyone around, you'll finally knock them down. laughing
              2. 0
                28 July 2026 14: 24
                I also think that anti-drone systems should work on a different principle. All these KAZ-based systems are very bulky and seem ineffective. The Chinese are developing microwave emitters that can shoot down drones from almost a kilometer away (or several – I don’t remember... there was a discussion of point-based air defense https://topwar.ru/276487-mikrovolnovyj-boevoj-kompleks-czjujfjen-3000-dlja-noak.html?ysclid=ms4ke9lbdu379825950 ), but, as I understand it, by focusing the beam. I think if our tank designers really push themselves, they’ll soon develop an emitter that can shoot down a drone from 50 meters away with a wide beam angle. They can be installed around the perimeter of a tank. The ammunition will be limited only by the tank's power plant, the rate of fire by the capacitor recharge time, and the continuity by the overlap of the irradiation sectors.
                Overall, the thing looks extremely promising.
      2. -1
        28 July 2026 11: 39
        What's so unusual about the arena's ammunition?

        A plastic chair that cost $0.5 in China at the time, when put through the Pentagon's machinery, cost a thousand dollars in Afghanistan, and that was even more expensive than the dollars of ten or fifteen years ago.
        And your KAZ costs less than a drone.
        1. 0
          28 July 2026 13: 37
          A friend of mine, a huge drone enthusiast since before his time, was saying that his hobbyist friends, who know which generals, are now selling drones to the Ministry of Defense for half a million apiece, no matter that only one in four flies more than 500 meters. And they've bought themselves mansions and fancy cars.
  4. +3
    27 July 2026 06: 15
    The command should have its head torn off for letting tanks into an open field, to put it bluntly
    1. +2
      27 July 2026 11: 06
      To the command nhell, I have to rip your head off, that he sent tanks into an open field, roughly speaking

      if she were
    2. 0
      28 July 2026 11: 15
      Where should tanks be deployed? Into a dense forest with windfalls? Or into narrow city streets?
      Tanks are actually designed for open fields, just without barbecues, in modern conditions, they last in combat for several minutes
  5. +8
    27 July 2026 06: 57
    The author wrote a lot, but didn't bother to watch the video carefully. You can see the counter-munition being fired from the starboard side of the turret. I've watched it several dozen times, and the video quality is poor, but it appears the munition was fired significantly above the approaching FPV, suggesting the fragmentation field wasn't sufficient to kill.
    1. +3
      27 July 2026 10: 06
      Quote: Slon1978
      The firing of counter-munitions from the right side of the turret is visible.

      +1. At the 23rd second, a flash is visible in the upper right part of the screen.
  6. +2
    27 July 2026 08: 27
    This case is discussed here. The arena was triggered, and that's why more than 10 drones were used for each unit. Apparently, the number of charges was insufficient.
    youtube.com/watch?v=cQD9kSsiDdA
  7. +3
    27 July 2026 09: 04
    The author is again jumping the gun. They didn't turn it on; they ran out of ammunition.
    If a main battle tank goes into firing position, what is the commander obliged to do first?
    Enable all protection measures.
  8. +2
    27 July 2026 09: 17
    Judging by the map changes near Dobropillya, where the video was recorded, the attack was relatively successful. The video shows empty APS slots. Everyone has been writing tirelessly about the limited ammunition load. The idea of ​​inexpensive ammunition for APS has been around for about 20 years. Moreover, it is fragmentation-free and has no explosive effect, allowing for driving with the hatches open. And economical APS charges are also available for serious targets like ATGMs and RPGs. A couple of months ago, I submitted proposals to various idea competitions, and then read articles about American experiments, which were very successful. The Americans didn't pursue the idea back then due to the lack of electronics, which are now available.
    The author's slander of the Jews, who haven't bothered to get barbecues after several years of the Air Defense Forces, is astonishing, as he sees the Merkava's ammunition ignite after a drone lands on one! Everyone's seen it before. The authorities aren't exactly reliable. But what fun those curly-haired experts had in 2022.
    1. +1
      28 July 2026 15: 45
      And how exactly does it catch fire?) In over three years of Israeli combat, there have only been a couple of hits where the entire crew was killed. Despite hundreds of hits, the results, according to reports from the field, are more than satisfactory. Right up until Namer, who took fifteen RPGs and remained operational because his APS protected him as standard.
      1. 0
        28 July 2026 16: 09
        Blessed are those who believe, yeah! And bringing the Merkava 3 back from "reserve" is military freeganism, they like it that way.
  9. 0
    27 July 2026 09: 19
    And there, in one of the videos, you can clearly see how the drone hits the driver’s hatch from the front, which is slightly open.
  10. +6
    27 July 2026 09: 24
    The fact that the Arena-M on the tank didn't work and the drone still hit it is, of course, very unpleasant.
    Firstly, the Arena did work, as shown in the attached video. And it's not at all certain that the drone exploded from the impact to the stern, and not from fragments from the Arena.
    The first photo shows the powder trail from the ejected submunition, the second shows the submunition explosion
  11. -2
    27 July 2026 09: 33
    APS is a fundamentally useless solution, as it's easily overwhelmed by modern attack weapons, such as FPV drones. A similar situation occurred with battleships during World War II. When they faced an air threat, the first solution was to dramatically increase the number of anti-aircraft guns on the ships to the maximum possible capacity. It didn't work. Battleships could repel attacks by dozens of aircraft, but the problem was that hundreds of aircraft were simultaneously targeting them, and the ships' air defenses were overloaded, sinking them. For example, the Japanese super battleships Musai and Yamato were simultaneously targeted by up to 300 American aircraft.
    1. +7
      27 July 2026 10: 11
      Quote: denis.76
      The KAZ is a fundamentally useless solution, as it is easily overloaded by modern attack weapons such as FPV drones.

      I do not agree.
      A KAZ should be the "last line of defense," not the only means of defense. Besides a KAZ:
      1. Electronic warfare must be operational. Radio-controlled drones must be jammed.
      2. There should be modules with machine guns that can shoot down drones at a distance of several tens or hundreds of meters.
      3. Own long-range interceptor drones.
      4. Means of detection (SAR) and suppression (artillery, MLRS, drones) of enemy drone operators.
      1. -4
        27 July 2026 11: 34
        Well, what you'll get isn't a tank, but some kind of aircraft carrier, or a combat vehicle with zero value that needs to have everyone killed and suppressed before it enters the battle, so what's the point of it then?
        1. +6
          27 July 2026 11: 37
          Quote: denis.76
          It won't be a tank, but some kind of aircraft carrier.

          I don't expect all of this to be on one machine.
          Electronic warfare - yes, on every vehicle.
          Machine gun modules - on a chassis, for example, MTLB or even BRDM, if they still exist somewhere.
          Interceptor drones - the work of our own drone operators
          RER is a separate service
      2. 0
        28 July 2026 15: 46
        Now that's more practical. APS is just one means of multi-layered protection.
    2. +2
      27 July 2026 15: 45
      Ships were sunk because there were almost no aircraft of our own to sink enemy carriers. APS should be everywhere, and no one should be sent into the field without the ability to reload the APS ten times.
      1. +3
        27 July 2026 18: 38
        It won't work, and if it does, it won't last long. What's really needed is something like a tank-aircraft carrier, with a radar capable of detecting FPVs at a range of 2 kilometers and guiding its FPV interceptors to them, something like mini-Christmas trees, and with a reserve of about a hundred of these interceptors. And then columns would be escorted with such tank-drone carriers.
        1. +2
          27 July 2026 18: 42
          Drones are supposed to accompany tanks anyway. We're all too fond of cramming everything into a single tank, and letting three tank crews handle it themselves, but our generals aren't very good at organizing the interaction of several branches of the military.
          1. -1
            27 July 2026 18: 53
            Well, what's the point of tracking a tank with a drone? You can't fit detection equipment on it, and without it, it will only record hits on vehicles. Then the radar on the drone-carrying tank can give targeting information to other vehicles to work on the drones from the machine gun turrets.
    3. 0
      28 July 2026 13: 27
      How do you imagine a hundred planes attacking at the same time? wink
      1. 0
        28 July 2026 14: 22
        I didn't say simultaneously. A typical air defense system uses radar to detect a target and direct 1-2 interceptor drones to it, which requires targeting multiple targets simultaneously. Therefore, even if the enemy uses dozens of drones, such a drone-carrying tank can repel several massive attacks at ranges of up to 1 km and provide cover for a column of other armored vehicles, while simultaneously providing targeting information to the machine gun turrets of other vehicles when single drones penetrate. And your APS would be better equipped with 12-gauge mortars or net launchers and mounted on the RNK, with optical targeting so that everything is very cheap and you wouldn't mind losing it.
  12. -1
    27 July 2026 09: 33
    "Most recently, Ukrainian Telegram channels and other media outlets distributed a video showing an FPV drone effortlessly engaging a Russian T-72B3A tank equipped with the Arena-M active defense system, modified to engage unmanned aerial vehicles."
    I wonder how all these "renowned" Ukrainian Telegram channels and other media outlets managed to establish that this particular tank is equipped with a system modified to defeat UAVs? It would be fine if this information stemmed from our analysis of combat experience, but in this case, must the crew have contacted the drone operator and reported it? As the saying goes, "Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers." If what the "most truthful" Ukrainian media are claiming actually happened, then it's a completely logical consequence of the flawed approach of our "highly effective" military-industrial complex managers to the issue of protecting equipment from UAVs. Instead of creating fundamentally new mass-produced systems, they're trying to adapt products that weren't originally designed for such tasks. And there's no need to look for excuses or explanations, saying "they" have it the same way. Unlike us, "they," along with improving their active protection systems, are developing, testing, and adopting specialized automated counter-UAV systems based on machine vision and AI, virtually independent of the "human factor." So, with this "approach," we'll have what we have for a long time.
  13. 0
    27 July 2026 11: 02
    The day before yesterday's unsuccessful assault on the Pokrovsky direction is confirmed, something our forces had already warned about from the front lines.
    Forces from the 8th and 41st Armies, as well as the 8th Guards Tank Division, attempted to advance into the Shakhovo area. For four hours, they attempted to enter Shakhovo from the Novoekonomichesky and Vozdvizhenka areas. Losses: 7 brand new tanks, 6 armored vehicles, 47 units of motor vehicles, 1 Grad and 1 Tornado-S, as well as up to 120 infantry during this time.
    1. +3
      27 July 2026 11: 24
      Quote: Dedok
      confirmed

      Sorry, but a compilation of drone strikes with unclear dates, locations, and results cannot be considered confirmation.
      1. +1
        27 July 2026 14: 10
        Sorry, but a compilation of drone strikes with unclear dates, locations, and results cannot be considered confirmation.

        I didn't even write about the "cut" - that's not for me...
        https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/26_07_2026_kak_v_tire_opjat_byl_proveden_shturm_bronegruppoj_poslednie_novosti_vojny_na_ukraine_realnaja_obstanovka_22_video/60-1-0-17795
        1. +3
          27 July 2026 14: 38
          Quote: Dedok
          I didn't even write about the "cut" - that's not for me...

          Ukrainians posted a clip of this news.
          But today news broke that Torskoye had been captured. So, apparently, not all is bad in this area.
  14. +2
    27 July 2026 12: 28
    I don't get it—the tank in the video barely has a brazier (only the turret is brazier-less)? Is that even possible? What the hell let it out on the road? It looks like something out of 1944. And they knocked the poor thing out like they were at a shooting gallery... I feel sorry for the guys. Maybe they survived?
    1. +2
      27 July 2026 14: 22
      Quote: tehnix
      I don't get it—the tank in the video barely has a grill (only the turret is grilled)? Is that even possible?
      The KAZ mortars are firmly attached to the turret (another option is simply not possible, since the KAZ computer takes into account the mortars' angles), and if the grill area is large, this will interfere with the KAZ's operation.
      1. 0
        28 July 2026 14: 37
        I didn't like it
        mortar
        It would be better if they had microwave or laser emitters. Mortars use up their ammunition very quickly (26 rounds per tank...), I think it's very little. I read something on Voychronik a long time ago – it described how a well-manipulated tank withstood 60 drones and returned. But when there are hundreds of them, will they be even smaller?
        1. 0
          28 July 2026 15: 39
          Quote: tehnix
          Mortars use up their ammunition very quickly (26 rounds per tank...) I think it's very little.
          Against ATGMs and RPGs it's quite sufficient, but against drones you need your own system with a large number of cheap consumables.
    2. 0
      29 July 2026 10: 02
      Surely. After all, the strike was at the very end of the MTO.
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  16. 0
    27 July 2026 13: 02
    Perov, you said some good things at the end: let them figure it out and apply it more! We'll see!
  17. 0
    27 July 2026 15: 43
    The Arena-M, upgraded to combat drones, did not work against the drone.
    It worked and not bad: https://youtu.be/cQD9kSsiDdA
  18. +1
    27 July 2026 16: 13
    A hit in an undefended sector isn't a problem with the Arena's combat capability. It's a problem with the technical specifications for its implementation. That's who needs to be beheaded.
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  20. -2
    27 July 2026 17: 57
    They can't do anything in Russia. They're all using Soviet-era technology. What a disgrace.
  21. +3
    27 July 2026 18: 57
    For a variety of reasons, an FPV drone attack typically begins against the sky, where the effects of ground clutter and reflections are minimal, according to the KAZ radar. This facilitates target isolation and allows its trajectory to be integrated into a full-fledged Doppler detection and tracking loop.
    In a number of scenarios, a target already tracked against a "clean" background can be stably held even when it transitions to a complex background of vegetation and buildings, no longer relying solely on the micro-Doppler signatures of the propellers - the main "crutch" of the Arena-M2, used to detect the target and obtain sequential marks necessary for plotting its route.

    At the same time, the maximum micro-Doppler shift from propellers is significantly above the frequency range where most reflections from stationary objects on the underlying surface are concentrated. For example, for an FPV drone with 10-inch propellers with a radius of 0,127 m and a typical rotational speed under load of 5000–8000 rpm, the maximum micro-Doppler shift in the Ka-band (30–35 GHz) is approximately 13–25 kHz. In this sense, the micro-Doppler shift from propellers can truly serve as a "hook" for Doppler radar, allowing it to identify the drone and establish its path, although the effectiveness of this method also depends on the observation angle.

    Therefore, the likelihood of the Arena-M2 working effectively with 7-10 inch FPV drones seems high.

    Another issue is that the Arena-M2's single defensive munition, thanks to its pulsed correction engines, covers a 100-degree defensive arc. With a complement of 12 munitions, this only provides three times the coverage of all attack directions.
    This may be sufficient for indirect fire engagements, as such tank deployments rely less on control of the "lower sky." However, even indirect fire engagements for the T-72B3M with the Arena-M2 active protection system are only possible within the time window created by unmanned systems to disrupt the enemy's unmanned reconnaissance and strike perimeter. Before this window expires, the tank must retreat to cover. Therefore, creating and maintaining such a window remains crucial.

    It is important that when using tanks as part of armored groups providing for the deployment of infantry, both the available APS ammunition and the capabilities of the T-72B3M system with the Arena-M2 as a whole prove insufficient.
  22. -1
    27 July 2026 20: 22
    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
    From "not turned on" to a lack of ammunition

    Shouldn't the Ministry of Defense be providing this information and voicing the reasons? Not bloggers reading tea leaves... The Ukrainians should have just turned on the anti-crisis measures already!

    The Ministry of Defense "owes" those whose hands it eats from. And those hands are not ours.
  23. -1
    28 July 2026 00: 38
    The footage, of course, immediately spread across the Internet and, as expected, caused a lot of questions and indignation on the one hand, and a lot of ridicule and accusations of the uselessness of the Russian product on the other.

    The video provided is completely unrepresentative. The tank was hit while moving along a dusty dirt road, hitting the rear, lower portion of the tank, specifically the engine area. Even if the system had been active, it is unlikely it would have worked in this particular instance. The hit was either a lucky accident or a professionally executed attack, taking into account the limitations of the micro-Doppler effect. As is well known, the quality of micro-Doppler detection is affected by interference, in this case, simple dust. The tank likely simply had no chance of defending itself against the drone, even without taking into account the fact that the rear portion is insufficiently protected. Incidentally, the consequences of the hit are unknown. It is entirely possible that the tank, in this particular case, simply continued moving.
  24. +1
    28 July 2026 11: 22
    I saw an analysis of this video: the video fragments are not collected in chronological order, and there is also a video from a drone camera where, judging by everything, the APS worked successfully.
    But the APS is limited to just 12 charges, and if attacked from one direction, it can only deal with 1-2 drones, meaning the second or third drone will hit the tank. Unlike a good brazier, which can tank dozens of drones, except for weak spots like the front treads.
  25. +2
    28 July 2026 13: 03
    Well, he who laughs last, laughs best. The system is complex, naturally there are many variables, and naturally it needs to be fine-tuned.
  26. 0
    28 July 2026 14: 19
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQD9kSsiDdA Historylengend проанализировал видеозаписи, опубликованные Украиной, и пришёл к выводу, что комплекс активной защиты танка сработал до его окончательного уничтожения — многие эпизоды, которые выглядели как попадания, обрывались на некотором расстоянии от беспилотника и, очевидно, были перехвачены. Танк был окончательно уничтожен, во-первых, потому что боекомплект всё-таки был слишком мал — всего 12 выстрелов, а во-вторых, из-за наличия мёртвых зон у радара комплекса активной защиты «Арена-М».
    1. 0
      28 July 2026 18: 47
      I think we should switch to an unmanned turret, like the one on the Armata. And fill the entire turret with ammunition for the active protection system.
  27. 0
    28 July 2026 21: 31
    I wrote about everything except the coverage angle provided by the sub-munitions in the Arena-M system; compared to the Israeli Trophy system, there is a significant difference in coverage angle in favor of the Israeli system.
  28. 0
    30 July 2026 04: 26
    A barbecue grill is better, simpler, cheaper, and more reliable than any of those systems that either won't work, won't turn on, or won't turn off. This should be used as a supplement to the grill, because it's clear that they can simply overload it, use up the ammo, and that's it, you're done.
  29. 0
    1 August 2026 06: 43
    To combat drones, a cheaper and simpler system based on standard grenade launchers for creating smoke screens is needed. To do this, you need:
    1. Grenade launchers must throw shrapnel charges (as many as possible with damage vectors programmed into the control system).
    2. Management:
    - On the armored vehicle - optical-electronic
    - On a drone providing visibility and control of the battlefield
    1. 0
      1 August 2026 13: 53
      I've thought about this too. For example, we could use the AGS-17 grenade launcher (a smoothbore version to prevent buckshot from getting stuck) instead of the Kord, which is housed in a special remote-controlled combat module on the T-90 turret (it contains the target tracking software and camera). And issue the infantry 6G30 hand-held grenade launchers with buckshot rounds against drones. And the tank should be completely "deceptive"—passive protection is still more reliable. The APS should also be there, but on a grill. Plus, we could use a "Terminator"-style cover vehicle for drone (and other) attacks, along with a proper tank turret with a grill and APS. Unfortunately, there's no other option. A "microwave system" might be a science fiction option, but it requires a lot of power, the antenna is extremely vulnerable, and it is unclear how it will work in different weather conditions, what its effective range is, etc.
      1. 0
        1 August 2026 14: 37
        UAVs are slow and completely unstable to explosive effects; they do not even need to be destroyed; the impact of a blast wave is sufficient to destroy or disrupt the operation of the propellers.
        Therefore, the impact on them must be built on simple and inexpensive methods, maximally automated, with a large number of inexpensive elements in the form of converted mortars for smoke grenades, so that drones can and should be destroyed at a short distance.
        Our response to the enemy must be cheap and effective.
        1. 0
          1 August 2026 19: 42
          Essentially, you're proposing to use a sawed-off shotgun instead of an automatic turret. Tell me, how difficult will it be to bypass your defenses? And who will reload the mortars during combat? Let's say a Baba Yaga drone drops shells from 10-20 meters above the tank, and instead of shooting it down, the mortar (KAZ) will fire at the shells until it runs out. The shells could be simple blanks or, for example, napalm (a thermobaric projectile), which would destroy the turret. Will you come up with a new way to combat it?
  30. 0
    1 August 2026 15: 57
    Look, the T-90M tank costs between 4 and 5 million dollars (as of today)! The cost of a drone, even by rough estimates, is $2000 dollars ($400-$600). Even if we take the light version of the tank, roughly $700 thousand, and divide it by the cost of a drone ($2000), we get 350 drones! Question: Why the hell do we need tanks?! What kind of active protection system can "fire" that many drones? Plus, the active protection system doesn't cover all angles. And the abundance of electronics on the turret will be an extremely vulnerable spot. So why turn a tank into a mini-air defense system a la "Shilka"? I think we need a tank infantry fighting vehicle (TBMP) with a turret! Just not like the "Terminator". With an elevation angle of 85 degrees and a turret traverse of 180-120 degrees per second, which could cover drones, lightly armored vehicles, and infantry. This is the only viable option to avoid overloading the tanks with all sorts of equipment. The tank must be capable of indirect fire. And the Shturmovaya IFV (or TBMP) will take on the role of destroying drones and delivering infantry to enemy positions. (I'm even considering making a TBMP with two or four turrets.)
  31. 0
    4 August 2026 01: 04
    We need to develop ammunition that creates a target-destroying cloud upon detonation. The filling should contain, for example, conductive substances. These could be liquid sulfides, chlorides, or metallic or graphite dust. To reduce the cost of the design, they could be manufactured with a fixed detonation delay, and the belt of a heavy machine gun or grenade launcher could be loaded with bullets or shells with cyclically alternating detonation delay durations (ranges). For example, 40m, 100m, 200m, and then again 40m, 100m, 200m. Field testing could yield more effective ranges.