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Norwegians go to Russian borders

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After the regular session of the Arctic Council (AU), which took place not so long ago in the Swedish city of Kiruna, arrived in the “Arctic Regiment”. In addition to the eight permanent members of the AU (Arctic and subarctic states) of Russia, Canada, the USA, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Sweden and Denmark, the Arctic "fraternity" has grown by such states (permanent observers) as China, Singapore, Italy and a number of others. The “Military Review” has already discussed the topic of how I became one of the permanent observers of the Arctic Council, for example, China, from which, before the Arctic, what is called, two cubits on the world map. The discussion of the Chinese “hit” took place, however, not only in the Russian media environment. A negative reaction to this event has caused this among the public of other states, which today constitute, let's say, the backbone of the Arctic Council. Against this background, it will be interesting to consider what steps, after a peculiar expansion of the AU, our neighbors of the Arctic decided to take.


Norwegians go to Russian borders


One of those states that, to put it mildly, was not eager to expand the Arctic Council at the expense of countries that were clearly not within the acceptable distance from the Arctic, was Norway. Before voting on the admission of the PRC and other countries to the number of permanent observers, several Norwegian publications offered their readers materials according to which China is ready to rush to the Arctic riches, but it does not comply with environmental conventions on its territory. This, according to the plans of the leaders of the Norwegian publications, should have influenced the outcome of the vote, but, as it turned out, had no effect. As a result, the Norwegian authorities did not declare that the decision was made against the wishes of the Norwegian people, but decided to step up their activities in terms of the development of Arctic resources.

As it is known, between Moscow and Oslo since 70-ies of the last century there was, let's say, an aquatic dispute. He touched the state accessories of a certain part of the Barents Sea with an area of ​​175 thousand square meters. kilometers The Soviet and then the new Russian authorities were ready to sign with the Norwegians an agreement on the division of this section according to the so-called sectoral principle. This principle was associated with the use of the borders of the Arctic possessions along the meridians, which is written in the documents of the year 1926. Norwegians did not go to such a section, but declared that it is necessary to divide the water area and all its wealth in the middle. The authorities of the USSR and Russia did not make concessions to the official Oslo for 40, but in 2010, Dmitry Medvedev and the Norwegian Prime Minister Stoltenberg clapped their hands and the Norwegian scenario was implemented. Then Norway received a generous gift. However, not everyone knows that this agreement had another side, which in the current conditions of the struggle for energy resources, it is impossible not to mention.

The fact is that in the agreements with the Norwegians the following is indicated: if on the shelf one of the countries discovers hydrocarbons whose reserves in the field cross the state border, then the development of such a deposit can be carried out only by joint efforts. It would seem that this clause obviously will not allow any of the countries (neither Norway nor Russia) to pump the shelf oil on the former disputed area, as they say, into one person ... But the current realities again make us think about the observance of these agreements by both countries.

The problem is that immediately after the division of the disputed part of the Barents Sea, the Norwegians began to carefully examine what they got after signing agreements between Stoltenberg and Medvedev. Then it turned out that on the Norwegian side there are oil reserves estimated at billions of barrels (about 2's, according to the most modest estimates). The Norwegians first showed great joy in this regard, but then they remembered the agreements with Russia: if the field crosses the state border, then there can be no one-sided development. After that, in Oslo, they calmed down and took a wait-and-see attitude: they say that Moscow will say about this. They waited and waited, but it did not wait for anything from Moscow.

That same session of the Arctic Council happened here, at which, to the Arctic, I'm sorry, they flooded everyone. The Norwegian authorities decided that if Moscow is silent and opens the gates to the Arctic for anyone who wishes, then it’s time to act more decisively, if not to speak, brazenly ... Norwegians in this case can certainly be condemned, but impudence is the second happiness ... If "partners" ( that is, our authorities and we are silent like Norwegian cod, then it’s time to take the bull, that is, the Arctic and its wealth, by the horns — that’s what official Oslo apparently thinks.

This determination was expressed in the fact that immediately after the meeting of the Arctic Council in Oslo, they decided to send a group of MAREANO research vessels to the former disputed waters of the Barents Sea. It is planned that the court will begin their work in a few weeks. It would seem that there is daring and decisive, because Moscow itself donated to Oslo an impressive piece of Arctic wealth, here in this donated water area the Norwegian ships will conduct their scientific research. But the point is that now the court of the interdepartmental program MAREANO does not want to be content with the exclusively Norwegian water area. The main work will be carried out in the bottom part of the Barents Sea, which is directly adjacent to the Russian area of ​​responsibility.

The staff of the Norwegian project assures that they will conduct research on the biological diversity of the border areas of the water area, as well as map the bottom of the Barents Sea. But if so, then the question immediately arises: why literally on a ribbon separating the Norwegian and Russian waters of the Barents Sea and its bottom territories? Why not start with water areas more distant from the Russian border? With all due respect to the Scandinavian honesty, it seems that official Oslo is cunning.

Obviously, the experts of the MAREANO project received the task of checking how deeply the hydrocarbon field that the Norwegians discovered not so long ago goes to the zone of Russian influence. Understanding that Moscow is silent, Oslo hopes that the Norwegian research will help convince the Russian authorities that the hydrocarbons are purely Norwegian, and that Russia is stupid to claim them. Well, if you are convinced in the right division of disputed territories, what prevents you from convincing even in this situation? .. If the Norwegians succeed in turning this impressive scam, then China’s entry into the Arctic will not be scary for official Oslo.

And what about Moscow? Moscow, realizing that clapping ears could play a bad joke, decided to go the original way. Just the other day, Dmitry Medvedev ordered to transfer, without any contests and geological surveys, sections of the Barents and Kara Seas shelf to such companies as Rosneft and Gazprom. Rosneft received three sites on the Barents Sea shelf. It seems that the Chairman of the Government acted in the mode of the sharpest time trouble, trying to counter the work of a large Russian company with the Norwegian “research”. However, Rosneft still needs time on the shelf, as they say, to swing, to stake out a place, and the Norwegian research ships are already under steam. Especially, Rosneft, apparently, will stop at purely Russian resources, but the Norwegians strive to probe the volume of wealth at home, and we have an underwater border - this is a very ephemeral thing ...

In general, in such a situation there can be one prospect: keeping an eye on the Norwegians - this is the time to quickly begin your “scientific research” in the immediate vicinity of their submarine boundary - these are two. But we will sleep again, relying on unparalleled Norwegian friendship and honesty ...
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  1. awg75
    awg75 29 May 2013 07: 46 New
    +9
    The Arctic is a vast territory and it is simply necessary to make every effort to increase as much as possible to Russia - this is necessary for the future
    1. Romn
      Romn 29 May 2013 08: 06 New
      10
      Our oil companies also have very little experience not only on the shelf, but also in the Arctic! Plus, there is a huge technological lag for the development of these fields, if we compare our companies with the Norwegian ones. Therefore, this question is very complicated!
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 29 May 2013 18: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Romn
        Our oil companies also have very little experience not only on the shelf, but also in the Arctic!

        And they have this experience ass Trat ?!
        Largest Norwegian fieldTroll.

        In the video you will see a diagram of most Norwegian deposits. From the number of open and being developed. All of them are far from in the Arctic Circle.
        We do not have the infrastructure and ships built for the extraction of oil and gas from great depths. The construction and creation of this all takes several decades.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 29 May 2013 22: 20 New
          +1
          I wonder .. what latitude?
          TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov": Long trip. Atlantic, 2004
      2. nerd.su
        nerd.su 29 May 2013 20: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Romn
        Our oil companies also have very little experience not only on the shelf, but also in the Arctic! Plus, there is a huge technological lag for the development of these deposits, if we compare our companies with the Norwegian ones

        These are all words! Words are worthless, only deeds.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 29 May 2013 22: 15 New
          0
          These are all words! Words are worthless, only deeds.

          Well, you have to start somewhere ...
    2. sams
      sams 29 May 2013 08: 18 New
      13
      The Federation Council approved the document “On Ratification of the Treaty between the Russian Federation and the Kingdom of Norway on the Delimitation of Maritime Spaces and Cooperation in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean”. Interestingly, the ratification took place, one might say, under the heading "secret." For the first time in recent years, this was not reported by the central media.
      Today, 60% of the TOTAL Russian catch in the Barents Sea is harvested in areas that the new treaty places under the jurisdiction of Norway.
      But that is not all. Ratification by Russia of the current treaty means a rejection of the legal position that our country has upheld for several decades. This is our next territorial concession following the transfer by the USA of a part of the Bering Sea shelf, and to China - of the disputed islands on the Amur. About the “gift” to China, I think everyone remembered this very recently. But it’s not a sin to recall the US concession, when Russia gave the Americans 46 square kilometers of the Russian shelf. And with them - oil wells, territorial waters, giving 200 thousand tons of pollock per year, while the Russian economic zone was reduced to 150 miles (while the American grew to 250 miles).
      Experts predict ratification of the treaty provokes activation of powers that have territorial claims against our country.
      But the concessions did not end there! At the conclusion of a new treaty, Russia retreated east from the borders of its polar possessions, which are printed on almost all foreign geographical and navigation maps.
      And further. Ratification of this treaty means a waiver of the rights that Russia has as a party to the Paris Treaty of Svalbard. We are talking about an area of ​​about 240 thousand square kilometers, which is four times the area of ​​our losses in the disputed area.
      We must not forget that the conclusion of this treaty is another step in the expansion of NATO. Military experts believe that the expansion of marine areas assigned to Norway could seriously increase NATO’s ability to track the submarines of our Northern Fleet.
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 29 May 2013 10: 01 New
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        Quote: sams
        Ratification by Russia of the current treaty means a rejection of the legal position that our country has upheld for several decades.


        / Ratification / - it means the agreement is, was! HAS BEEN!
        / waiver of legal / - already took place then with the PRIMARY CONCLUSION!
        REMEMBERED ????? Hello! Woke up?

        Gentlemen, comrades! As soon as the liberals start to scream at this topic = it turns out that this event has many benefits for us, and this community RECOGNIZED, will begin to find more and more facts justifying this agreement.

        Please keep in mind such a TAG = treaties are prepared by ordinary employees of departments AMONG WHICH there are a lot of honest people (poor self-interest) and WHAT FOR THE SAME they will concoct an intentionally unfavorable contract for the country ???? You can lose your head!
        And the agreement is coordinated with what code of persons and organizations ???

        So seriously take this opus should not be!
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 29 May 2013 10: 55 New
          0
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          So seriously take this opus should not be!

          In other words:
          Do not be discouraged, anywhere!
          wassat
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 29 May 2013 11: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Sukhov
            Do not be discouraged, anywhere!


            Do not drop your spirit even IF horrible! And there anywhere.
        2. Siberian German
          Siberian German 29 May 2013 14: 06 New
          +2
          do ordinary workers-sign Putin and Medvedev
          1. Airman
            Airman 30 May 2013 20: 07 New
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            Quote: Siberian German
            do ordinary workers-sign Putin and Medvedev


            Without a decree from above, not a single ordinary employee will DO such papers. Tomorrow the NOVEL employee will write a paper on the transfer of Sakhalin to the Japanese, and he will sign the GDP without looking? Do not consider us fools, such papers alone do not sign.
        3. Papakiko
          Papakiko 29 May 2013 18: 18 New
          0
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          it turns out that this event has many benefits for us, and this community, HAVING CONSIDERED, will begin to find more and more facts justifying this agreement.


          There are benefits in the form of imported equipment and technologies that we can use.
        4. nerd.su
          nerd.su 31 May 2013 00: 51 New
          0
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          So seriously take this opus should not be!

          Something I did not understand, which opus should not be taken seriously? Contract
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          “On ratification of the Treaty between the Russian Federation and the Kingdom of Norway on the delimitation of sea spaces and cooperation in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean.”

          How it should not be taken seriously when Medvedev signed it last or the year before during his visit to Norway. And honest ordinary employees concocted everything as requested.
      2. itkul
        itkul 29 May 2013 12: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: sams
        Today, 60% of the TOTAL Russian catch in the Barents Sea is harvested in areas that the new treaty places under the jurisdiction of Norway.


        That is, you want to say that all the fish hanging out on this piece of the sea surrendered to Norway, and does not swim in the Russian territories, however, a smart little fish, adopted so to speak Norwegian citizenship
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 29 May 2013 22: 42 New
          0
          There a topic popped up, such as with the Volga and Akhtuba. Say, we have a kindergarten and a day nursery - to catch Nizya! And an adult, commercial fish, goes to hang out in other lands ... I don’t know how true this is.
    3. AK-47
      AK-47 29 May 2013 10: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: awg75
      The Arctic is a vast territory and it is simply necessary to make every effort to increase as much as possible to Russia - this is necessary for the future

      The most fair way of dividing the Arctic is sectoral.
    4. Siberian German
      Siberian German 29 May 2013 14: 01 New
      +2
      it will not increase but decrease - the heirs of Yeltsin Gorbachev in action
    5. Airman
      Airman 30 May 2013 19: 54 New
      0
      Quote: awg75
      The Arctic is a vast territory and it is simply necessary to make every effort to increase as much as possible to Russia - this is necessary for the future


      It was not necessary to proserit, in the USSR it turns out everyone was such a fool, did not give anything away, and now 175 thousand square meters of Norway km, China several hundred square meters. km, we do not create, but sell.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 29 May 2013 07: 47 New
    +2
    Countries began to push their elbows in the Arctic, it smells more distinctly of northern hydrocarbons.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 May 2013 08: 07 New
    +2
    But the fact of the matter is that now the purely Norwegian waters, the courts of the interdepartmental program MAREANO do not want to be content. The main work will be carried out in the bottom part of the Barents Sea, which is directly adjacent to the Russian zone of responsibility.


    Give them a finger, so they chop off a hand.
    Everyone wants to tear a piece, but fatter.
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 29 May 2013 08: 10 New
    +3
    popping your ears can be a bad joke

    Like smoking bamboo, by the way. And in our country, despite its absence, the authorities often do this.
  5. erased
    erased 29 May 2013 08: 11 New
    +9
    In 2010, the authorities acted so wisely, so wisely that I would like to call it tricky! And now who has time for another question. With this approach, China will more likely master the territories than Russia's power will swing. An involuntary question pops up for the thousandth time - how much did the enemy gain a foothold in the Kremlin?
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 29 May 2013 12: 55 New
      +1
      Betrayal of national interests is a joint production sharing agreement (PSA). Or do you think that Western companies stopped producing oil in Russia? Give examples or do you know? What is their share, and the share of Russia, in a barrel of oil? With Norway, they share the skin of a NOT-mined bear. And they share according to the principle of joint cooperation, only the Norwegians have succeeded in technologies more than us ... and oil still needs to be extracted ... There, by any means, foreigners would light up, maybe with a smaller share of income.
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 29 May 2013 08: 15 New
    -6
    And in general, not the Arctic, but some kind of passage yard becomes. You live around all kinds of dead seas and relax. There’s nothing to shove into the Arctic. Well, China - okay ... Without it, right now, nowhere, and then the rest ??
    1. Hort
      Hort 29 May 2013 09: 26 New
      0
      Yes, not "as it were," but only as a user of the services of transporting their goods through the SevMorPut, nothing more.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 29 May 2013 09: 34 New
        -5
        The conditions in the Arctic are such that ... In general, this is Cosmos. The resources of 1 state are not enough. To obtain meaningful results, cooperation is necessary. Not in everything, but necessary. Why not with China? And why cannot this cooperation bring benefits (including material)? For example, bioresources. Enough for everyone there. Who has more mouths?
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 29 May 2013 10: 21 New
          0
          No matter how and whoever likes it, it is better to cooperate with China than to quarrel. This is an objective reality. What, in fact, Russia has been doing for a long time.
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  7. Marconi41
    Marconi41 29 May 2013 08: 16 New
    +4
    China, Singapore, Italy ... Soon, Africans will abandon their pompas and will fall into the Arctic. After 5 years in the Arctic will not breathe on those who wish to feast on oil and gas.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 29 May 2013 08: 21 New
      +4
      Africans will abandon their pompas and fall into the Arctic.

      And where do they plant bananas, if not in the Arctic?
  8. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 29 May 2013 08: 34 New
    +5
    So Medvedev proved himself to be in “full glory”. Question: Whose prime minister is he, whose interests does he defend? Yes, it doesn’t smell of smell, it just stinks of CHANGE.
  9. fenix57
    fenix57 29 May 2013 08: 37 New
    +3
    Again bears (Yes, with a little one!)-It will sell everything .... radish .. Here are the Africans to give all of Antarctica and ..... an oil painting. And there are no gypsies in the queue ... on the occasion .. They guess ...... And it turns out, the gypsies are a noisy crowd by ANTARCTICA, pancake wander ....
  10. shamil
    shamil 29 May 2013 08: 46 New
    +3
    as always, a good Russian soul would not vegetate again. The government must check everyone on a lie detector for loyalty to Russia and its sincere desire for its prosperity
  11. shamil
    shamil 29 May 2013 08: 47 New
    +1
    as always, a good Russian soul would not vegetate again. The government should check everyone on a lie detector for loyalty to Russia and its sincere desire for its prosperity. There is still the Arctic, ..... there wasn’t enough.
    to increase the military presence on the new land and keep watch over their riches (to conduct naval exercises, do not write off the Shark, let them out to the Arctic to patrol, to conduct “nuclear tests” on the ground, is a joke)
  12. Suhov
    Suhov 29 May 2013 08: 50 New
    +5
    The country is in transition.
    The border is completely trampled.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 29 May 2013 09: 27 New
      +3
      Sukhov! Nice to be kidding !! I’m still working in parallel (well, type). I laugh loudly ...
  13. Yozhas
    Yozhas 29 May 2013 09: 02 New
    +2
    All this is the tendency of one world struggle (war) for hydrocarbons. Now the Norwegians will start, and there the Americans will catch up.
  14. Asgard
    Asgard 29 May 2013 09: 14 New
    +6
    The Arctic Council is a classic method of interaction described in fables (swan, cancer, pike)))
    But seriously, the traitors in the Kremlin gave OUR territory to the Norwegians (look carefully at the map (it wedges far from the meridian)), in the early 90s other traitors (from the same gang)) concluded 1990 Baker-Shevardnadze "Agreement on the delimitation of maritime spaces in the Bering and Chukchi Seas." However, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, and then the Russian parliament, refused to ratify it, which was an echo of other, internal wars - in particular, the confrontation between the Yeltsin team and the Gorbachev team. Nevertheless, the agreement was de facto considered to have entered into force, and our fishing vessels have not yet been allowed into the territory that has been left to America ....

    Regarding deep drilling and the "myths" that Russia has no technology ....
    Let me remind you that the USSR was the pioneer in deep-sea and super-deep drilling. The Soviet Union was the first to develop a program for super-deep continental drilling for scientific purposes. In the spring of 1970, a long-term project to drill the famous Kola ultra-deep well started in the Murmansk region. And the Americans, with the help of traitors from the Kremlin, used these developments in their projects ...
    I remind you that for such drilling you need only interest STATESis a difficult project(SHIP, TECHNOLOGIES, PROTECTION OF THE DRILLING OBJECT, METHODS OF TRANSPORTATION OF HYDROCARBONS, INFRASTRUCTURE))
    It will make Medvedev or Putin (from Sochi)) funny ..... lol

    Well, they don’t need to be especially upset. States that can REALLY do something (on an industrial scale)) on the ICE shelf NO.
    We are geographically monopolists ... all agreements concluded by TRADITORS on the transfer of our lands (Shevarnadze, Trump, Medvedev, Putin)) will be denounced, who will object will be part of the North-West Federal District and the Far East)))
    So far, these are articles and intentions (for which no one already has MONEY))))
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 29 May 2013 10: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Asgard
      Well, they don’t need to be especially upset. There are no states that can REALLY do something (on an industrial scale)) on the ICE shelf.


      And for sure!
      Quote: Asgard
      So far, these are articles and intentions (for which no one already has MONEY))))

      And they will not be soon!
      Quote: Asgard
      .A Americans with the help of traitors from the Kremlin used these developments in their projects ...

      And they are heading to where the USSR has perished!
      USSR = sorry, THESE-no!
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach 29 May 2013 12: 49 New
      +3
      Regarding deep drilling and the “myths” that Russia does not have technology .... Let me remind you that the USSR was the pioneer in deep-water and super-deep drilling. The Soviet Union was the first to develop a program for super-deep continental drilling specifically for scientific purposes.

      "Woz" and now there? IN THE USSR?
      Russia is developing cooperation in the West in the field of oil production. You can call it “feudal dependence”, you can goofing around on the topic: “ja, ja, Kemska Volost!”, You can call it “mutually beneficial cooperation”, but the fact remains that we are not omnipotent and we need help, and the USSR “sunk into the summer " In the LATEST history of Russia, we had the predatory experience of PSA, reasonably abolished GDP. We have experience (MLSP) “Prirazlomnaya”. Personally, I am for Prirazlomnaya, in the form in which it exists (although it has nothing to do with this article). And for cooperation with the Norwegians in the development of the shelf of the Barents Sea. For we need their experience. They have experience - we have NO such experience. If they are involved as "contractors", then what would be their share? "PSA" in the new edition?

      However, consider the Prirazlomnaya example:
      On July 13, 2002, Sevmorneftegaz and Sevmash enter into an agreement for the manufacture of only the base of the platform. On August 22, 2002, a decommissioned Hutton platform, built in 1984, was purchased from Monitor TLP Ltd as a “donor” of the upper part.


      We are talking about the OIRFP Prirazlomnaya, on which a lot of imported. Russia has not yet made a turnkey, completely by itself. And this despite the fact that Sevmash is proud of the platform! This is a truly unique construction site, but this is not a construction site similar to the Soviet ones, when the USSR, exclusively on their owncreated cyclopean objects. Guess what the Norwegians have to do with the seemingly Canadian or American Hutton? The correct answer - figs understand! Even prosecutor hell - he’ll break his leg, because it’s not just B / U “with mileage”, but B / U multiplied by offshore ...
      The history of the issue with the acquisition of Prirazlomnaya is described in the article "Stumbling Platform, or How Much" Hatton "from the Offshore?" The Hutton platform (Hatton News Agency, Natural Resources) has announced the acquisition of the Hatton offshore ice-resistant stationary drilling platform in Norway. In particular, the article notes: “there was information that the company that sold Hatton to Russia was not Norwegian at all. According to some sources, the famous American company Kerr-McGee, which stopped oil production at the depleted field, was the real seller and former owner of Hatton. Hatton off the coast of Scotland and put up for sale its only platform of the same name for sale in 2002. " And further: “Kerr-McGee reported that it sold the Hatton platform on August 27, 2002, below the expected price of just $ 29 million. The buyer was an unknown company Monitor TLP Ltd., which immediately resold the platform to Sevmorneftegaz - already for 67 million. After this transaction, Monitor TLP Ltd. never appeared anywhere, and the 38 million dollars that the Russian budget has been heated up to, no one is looking for and trying to return.


      Yes. So it goes. I want to be a Country, but so far it turns out perfectly - to trade resources. Even Prirazlomnaya (OIRFP) has foreign roots. And in the news they don’t particularly talk about it.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 29 May 2013 15: 20 New
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        Quote: dmitreach
        And for cooperation with the Norwegians, in the development of the shelf of the Barents Sea. For we need their experience. They have experience - we have NO such experience

        Who is against cooperation? Point with your finger.
        But do not confuse or consciously substitute the essence of different concepts.
        In order to cooperate with a partner, will you give him your share in the enterprise?
        And in order to hire a housewife, register her in your apartment?
        Whatever the enslaving and predatory terms of other treaties, but at the same time you can’t give your territory. This is clear to children in kindergarten.
        Or are you alluding to some kind of counter preference?
        Maybe you tell us what Russia received as a result of such a betrayal?
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 29 May 2013 22: 36 New
          0
          Recall, from what century / year did the Treaty imply that OUR territories were recognized there? And what does Russia literally give back, something tangible? That it would be possible to compare with the Kuril Islands or with Damansky, or at least with Kaliningrad.
          Maybe I'm not attentive?

          And what about this damn reality? Personally, YOU have any better ideas?
          This agreement is very important from the point of view of defending Russia its rights to expand ownership in the Arctic. As you know, the Russian Federation in 2001 filed an application with the UN, where it was justified to join the Russian economic zone of 1200000 square kilometers of the ocean floor in the central part of the Arctic Ocean. Again: one million square kilometers, i.e. this is real increase in territoriesto which the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation will apply. This process is known to a wide readership as the “Fight for the Arctic.” The application will be considered in 2013, I hope the author will not argue that by 2013 Norway will run out of gas resources and further disseminate its fabrications about the “Norwegian time pressure”. In time trouble, we are just as at the time of consideration of the application at the UN, Russia should not have any disputes on the division of adjacent maritime spaces with the United States and Norway. Without this, in full compliance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Russian application will not be satisfied, and the ocean floor beyond the edge of the Siberian shelf will go into general use of all states of the world. It turns out that the respected parliament deputy for the good of the Fatherland offers us to "throw out" 1 million 200 thousand square kilometers ....
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 30 May 2013 14: 56 New
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            Quote: dmitreach
            Recall, from what century / year did the Treaty imply that OUR territories were recognized there?

            Check out the background to get you started ...
            As if Russia has no historical legal foundations, centuries-old research and practical development of this region. There are no special circumstances taken into account in international practice in the delimitation of sea spaces. It is not known where the rights and jurisdiction actually implemented by Russia have disappeared, as well as more than half a century of tacit recognition of the concept of polar sectors by the international community.

            Here is a link to you http://www.morvesti.ru/analytics/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=18248
            In my opinion, it is very competent and affordable.

            Quote: dmitreach
            And what does Russia literally give back, something tangible? That it would be possible to compare with the Kuril Islands or with Damansky, or at least with Kaliningrad.

            For you, only what you can step on foot is material?
            And what is eating your car or is in the bank with canned fish is not material?

            Quote: dmitreach
            In time trouble, we are just in the same way as at the time of consideration of the application at the UN, Russia should not have any disputes on the division of adjacent maritime spaces with the United States and Norway. Without this, in full compliance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Russian application will not be satisfied, and the ocean floor beyond the edge of the Siberian shelf will go into the common use of all states of the world. It turns out that the distinguished deputy Raydea for the good of the Fatherland offers us to "throw out" 1 million 200 thousand square kilometers

            It is at least naive to believe that now they will present one million square meters. km on a silver platter with a blue border. You do not notice what is happening in the world? The most toothless countries lick on the Arctic. And here, in a pure eye, a citizen assures that since Russia decided the dispute with the USA and Norway, and both times are not in its favor, Russia will not have any obstacles in resolving this issue.
            Even cry, even laugh with such stupidity. Maybe you will give me a reference to the article of this Convention?
    3. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 29 May 2013 13: 28 New
      +3
      Bunshi alone ("Ivan Vasilyevich Changes the Profession") are sitting in the Kremlin. Che them "Kemsk parish"? You can adjust the bowels! Generations gathered together the strawberry, and THESE at a time give away without sweating.
  15. afire
    afire 29 May 2013 09: 19 New
    +6
    oh, this iPhone, gibble dibiloid, damn it, well, why do we need these damnations
    1. old man54
      old man54 29 May 2013 16: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: afire
      oh, this iPhone, gibble dibiloid, damn it, well, why do we need these damnations

      according to our affairs, wrong !! Each nation deserves its ruler - this is the truth !!!
  16. Hort
    Hort 29 May 2013 09: 23 New
    +4
    China has nothing to do in the Arctic. As well as other countries that do not have a natural access to the Arctic coast.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 29 May 2013 09: 29 New
      +1
      So Yes. In theory. And he (China) will ask someone? One way or another will crawl there. Well, it’s impossible to do anything about it. But the process of its penetration into the Arctic can be put under control. And the rest - yes, on ...
  17. omsbon
    omsbon 29 May 2013 09: 29 New
    +5
    I believe that Russia should have a strong military Arctic grouping! Then the insolence of our neighbors will decrease.
  18. waisson
    waisson 29 May 2013 10: 50 New
    +1
    I AGREE WITH YOU AND SHE THIS GROUPING IS.
  19. rauffg
    rauffg 29 May 2013 11: 21 New
    +2
    dimka on count. wassat
  20. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 29 May 2013 11: 30 New
    +3
    <<< in 2010 Dmitry Medvedev and Norwegian Prime Minister Stoltenberg clapped hands, and the Norwegian script was realized. Then Norway received a generous gift. >>>
    Once again, the already swaggering noble stupidity is EXPENSIVE to Russia and you have to PAY for it! Our favorite pastime is to create a problem ourselves, and then we scratch our turnips, thinking how to solve it!
  21. ed65b
    ed65b 29 May 2013 11: 39 New
    0
    It would not hurt to strengthen the maritime grouping with new ships and increase patrols at times. To be constantly in front of the Scandinavians was to exult their eyes, to conduct exercises with the use of aviation. Then sober up instantly.
  22. aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 29 May 2013 13: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: retired
    No matter how and whoever likes it, it is better to cooperate with China than to quarrel. This is an objective reality. What, in fact, Russia has been doing for a long time.


    But concessions in the east are always regarded as weakness. It is worth losing once, and new claims will be put forward right there. But China does not take arrogance.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 29 May 2013 13: 38 New
      +1
      So I propose - not to STEAD, but to cooperate. It will not work differently with China. Well, whatever one may say, objective reality. Like her or not, she is. So you need to build relationships in such a way that you don’t lose your face (you don’t show your weakness), and get the benefit ... You can stop China’s expansion around the world. But not for long (in the historical sense). This is if if by peaceful means. I don’t even want to think about others ...
  23. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 29 May 2013 13: 50 New
    +2
    Good article! Enough "Clap your ears" to our rulers! First we distribute the land, and now we can lose part of the natural resources!
  24. koralex
    koralex 29 May 2013 14: 15 New
    +2
    That's all gentlemen, comrades. Now you can also collect the Japanese clothes and prepare to move to the Kuril Islands. Further, the Kaliningrad region, Leningrad and all border areas. have fallen off for a long time, because not hearing what the people are talking about all their "actions" may be deaf. I don’t even know if I’ll hear about a person who puts everything in its place — anger is gone, one sadness.
    1. old man54
      old man54 29 May 2013 16: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: koralex
      Our rulers don’t need to "clap" with their ears already - they fell off these claps for a long time, because not hearing what the people say about all their "actions" may be deaf.

      and who chooses these rules? Are we the whole SCP, huh? here everything about the stools is torn, and they want to hang it on a stick and shoot at the same time. I understand! :) But here you have a much more colorful character - an iPhone Dimusya, in which smerdyukov entered the rage by the way! But here everything is silent about him, apparently they know something that I probably don’t know? :)) But he did something worse than a business than the same stool!
      Article "+", but through the pain right!
      Who would vparit this iPhone, at least for 100 rubles, huh :))
  25. washi
    washi 29 May 2013 16: 34 New
    0
    As soon as we start squandering territory, unrest begins in the state. Or vice versa
    Sale of Alaska, parts of California, stupid contracts with China and Japan - explosions of people of freedom with the company
    The loss of half of Sakhalin, the Manchuria revolution 04-05
    February 17 - self-determination of Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states, Georgia, Finland.
    1986 - Kazakhstan and went further
  26. pinecone
    pinecone 29 May 2013 18: 35 New
    0
    Yesterday, Border Guard Day was celebrated, and today the news about the Chinese in the Arctic is sad.