Exam: 12 years on the same rake

“Do you remember how it all began ...” It is this line from the song “Time Machine” that should open today's discussion about the more than 11-year “triumphal” march of the unified state exam (USE) across the expanses of Russia. It all began with the words of government officials that now, they say, every Russian graduate of a secondary school will be able not only to demonstrate the fullness and depth of all the knowledge gained in individual subjects, but also to enroll in any state university of the country, if the number of points on a single state exam will meet the required (pass) minimum. Now, they say, university corrupt officials will not be able to rip off Russian applicants as sticky ...

And it also began with what we were told: they say, the project for introducing the Unified State Examination in Russia is just a project - no more, no less. The implementation of this project in the so-called pilot regions will begin, and if the preparation, organization, conduct, examination structure and quality of passing the EGE will not cause complaints from specialists, schoolchildren, parents of students and regulatory bodies, the project will spread throughout Russia as the only option final certification in a number of general educational disciplines.

Pilot regions really were. In 2001, Yakutia, Rostov and Samara regions, the Chuvash Republic and Mari El experienced all the “charm” of “egazation”. In the 2002, the USE "passed" already 16 regions of Russia. However, as many remember, from the very first days of the introduction of the Unified State Exam in the pilot regions, complaints on all the above points began to manifest themselves with a certain regularity. It all started with the test materials, and more simply, with specific tasks that were part of the USE options. Not only that at that time, even in the Ministry of Education, headed by Vladimir Filippov, who is today called the “father of the Unified State Exam in Russia”, could not really explain to whom it was the authorship of the questions on various academic disciplines, it was also not completely clear how the Ministry of Education takes into account complaints and suggestions about the oddities of the USE.

A weird enough (and continues to miss). First, excuse me, the “experimental” students after the “pilot” passing of the Unified State Examination faced the problem of missing out to universities of interest to them, even if they scored points on a solid top five. The administration of universities, in which such graduates applied for documents, often stated: we were not given any orders about accepting graduates according to the results of the USE, which means that you want to come to us - welcome to the entrance exams ...

Today we are told that the Ministry of Education and Science took into account the first “bloopers” when organizing the Unified State Exam, and therefore now all universities (well, with rare exceptions - conservatories and other creative ones) should accept school graduates only as a result of the Unified State Exam. However, if you take a closer look, this problem has not really disappeared anywhere. Often, heads of universities create artificial barriers for graduates of schools who have scored a sufficient number of points on the EGE for admission to these same universities for a specific purpose.

Says Alexander M. (university student, Saratov region).

Passed the exam in 2011 year. In addition to the obligatory Russian language and mathematics, I chose physics and computer science, which were needed for admission to one of the technical universities of St. Petersburg, which I had long dreamed of. In all subjects I scored such percentages that corresponded to the “excellent” assessment, which, naturally, was enough for entering the selected university (by law, it was enough). I applied for admission, but in the near future it turned out that I didn’t get it, since people with higher grades in the Unified State Examination began to appear on the list of applicants, as well as about four dozen disabled children and about three dozen winners of various competitions. I realized that I and other people like me, who wanted to act honestly, just decided to merge. My hands went down, my parents were upset too ... Literally the next morning, they called me from this university and said that I had high scores, but I don’t go up to them, but I’m going to another university, and if I have interest, I can meet and discuss everything.

Some hope flashed ... At the meeting, I was told that there is another option - to go to another university (they called me) for a paid department, and after the first year of study it will be possible to transfer here if there are deductions. At first I thought it was an option, but when my parents and I were told the cost of paid tuition ... Our family simply did not have that kind of money. As a result, he lost a lot of time, went back to his native city - Engels (Saratov region), barely had time to go to the local one. Now I say with confidence: all the words that the USE helped to defeat corruption in education are complete nonsense ... I have personal experience.

Scandals with “dead souls” - students, with the help of which university employees try to solve their financial problems, this is just one of the sides of how in modern conditions they have learned to bypass the need to take into account the results of the Unified State Exam upon admission. The scandal in one of the medical schools of the capital of last year is just one of the mass manifestations of a fraudulent scheme in education. But such schemes for the years of using the unified state examination in Russia managed to produce very, very much.

Shifters on the exam - another one of the options. Only in this case graduates are engaged in fraud. Since the overwhelming majority of graduates pass the exam not in their native schools, and in mixed groups, when monitored by “foreign” teachers, it is an option to send someone who has more chances to get the necessary points instead of themselves. Comparing a photo on a passport will be far from everywhere, which is why on the places of graduates in classes during the passing of the Unified State Exam there appear people who act as their “doubles” for a certain reward. The scandal with students of MIPT, who in 2011, passed exams for schoolchildren, is a vivid example of how this system works. But the discovered fraud is only the tip of the iceberg. Five were caught by the hand, and how many were not caught? .. One can only guess ...

The ideologists of the Unified State Exam say that a single state examination allows for a front-end test of the quality of students' knowledge, and the exam is designed in such a way that it is impossible to use outside help on it. And he and the other thesis does not hold water.

Well, what kind of frontal knowledge, for example, in physics or stories can check the exam. The ability to determine the formula for solving a specific task, on which the student has been trained all lately, absolutely cannot show his real knowledge of physical discipline. His ability (or inability) to reason logically, to think outside the box, to apply this knowledge in practice. Such a student cannot demonstrate how skillfully he uses physical equipment for practical purposes, how much he is generally ready to do something with his own hands, and not to describe on paper how he would have done with instruments and materials. After all, there are students who can assemble a complex electrical circuit without a single mistake, carry out all the necessary measurements in it, but cannot clearly articulate their thoughts about how they did it. Well, not all graduates who are strong in physics or mathematics, we have Cicero and writers from nature ... Based on the realities of the USE, their assessment is not ... Is this fair? A rhetorical question ...

And if the student was able to correctly indicate the dates of famous historical events, does this mean that he is well acquainted with the history. In the end, you can poke your finger into the sky and guess the correct answer ... Probability theory does not negate this. The teacher is not able to assess how ready such a graduate is to argue his position, rely on historical facts, compare and do information analysis. The destiny of the student - to scratch something on a special sheet. Scribbled with bad handwriting - also not good, because the technique may not be understood, not disassembled - go prove that you chose the correct letter or entered the right word ... The teacher’s part was to keep his fists, and wait for his ward to get out alive and unharmed from the paws of "Moloch" EGE, and even with the desired result.

Criticism of the Unified State Exam for the 12-year history of its use in Russia has become truly massive. Such an approach to final certification is dissatisfied with the schoolchildren themselves, who, during the last couple of school years, stop learning, and begin to “train” exclusively on the USE, and the teachers, parents of schoolchildren, members of the scientific intelligentsia, and the public. These are tens of millions of people who have been trying to convey to the authorities lately that the Unified State Exam is a vehicle for the implementation of a project called “stupor of the nation”. Perhaps, any Soviet troechnik, will give odds to the modern high achiever who wrote the Unified State Examination on "five" ... And this despite the fact that liberal elites call Soviet education one-sided and subject to pressure of totalitarian ideas ... Today, it seems, it is not subject to - so what? We have around one Lomonosov, Bulgakov, Tupolev or Landau? .. It seems to be no. Other priorities are now showing us: Sveta from Ivanov, “The drug addict Pavlik”, the “heroes” of “House-2”, the deputy Ponomarev reading “innovative” lectures on astronomical prices ...

By the way, it’s not a fact that the same Mikhail Vasilievich would have entered a modern university, because with the results of the USE he would have obvious problems. Not a fact that today would be the first space explorer, Yuri Gagarin, whose father was a carpenter, and his mother - a worker on a farm. Most likely, in our time, Gagarin, when entering a university, would have been circumvented by “beneficiaries”, whose parents would have a higher status and a much larger number of bills in their pockets ...

But if tens of millions of Russians already literally shout that the USE is a substitute for the real assessment of students' knowledge, that this system has absorbed all the negative that western countries refuse, then why does the “triumphant” march of the USE continue? Few old scandals? So there are new: the publication of tests in social networks, the growing number of firms that provide services to solve the tasks of the Unified State Exam and even the issuance of "fake" evidence of a single state examination. Who needs something that is not supported by the overwhelming majority of the Russian people? Or is it a kind of "care" against the will ... You can't be so sweet ...

One gets the impression that our educational system is deliberately put on the same rake, and then they watch what grimace of pain after another blow it makes ... If this is a pleasure for someone, then this is, frankly, an unhealthy interest. Maybe it’s time to stop this crazy experiment on Russian education, which was too long and managed to acquire a whole host of manifestations of corruption, fraud, lowering the level of quality of knowledge, total fear of the USE. After all, it comes to the fact that today's teachers are afraid of schoolchildren with a single state exam: they say, if you don’t give up, you will disgrace yourself and you will dishonor me. Such psychological pressure a priori pushes the graduate into a stressful situation in which he spent the entire last year of his school years.

PS On Tuesday, several high-ranking officials of the Ministry of Education and Science became aware of the resignation. Among them is Deputy Minister Igor Fedyukin. It is reported that the reasons for resignation - is the identification of large-scale frauds in the process of assigning scientific degrees (1323 "fake" doctoral degrees only for 2012 year). They seem to have taken up the "fake" candidates and doctors, as well as the officials who raised the "lime tree" ... Maybe it will be the same as the USE, because its minuses overlap the positive plans that have been connected with this implementation a hundredfold. And if the minuses multiplied 12 years, it is foolish to hope that the situation with the exam will continue to be better.

Comments

[aszzz888]

See what is happening with the exam this year after the FIRST exam?
Mass Internet access after putting in the Far East with answer options.
Who does IT NEED for this exam, except for the Ministry of Education, with a very strange headed minister?

[Refund_SSSR]

Yes, not in writing off all the disadvantage and harm of the exam, but in sharpening the school curriculum for testing those. the flexibility of thinking and the vastness of knowledge are lost.
They wrote off at classical school exams not at times, but by an order of magnitude more ... so not for that.

Or did someone present here not use spurs and parachutes in exams? woe-truth-tellers .. Or maybe someone in your class was not helped by teachers in exams, in schools of the USSR? At all times, window dress flourished in the USSR and teachers fought for high scores on exams, including by pulling grades.
This is called hypocrisy, gentlemen.

[Sibiryak]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Yes, not in writing off all the disadvantage and harm of the exam, but in sharpening the school curriculum for testing i.e. the flexibility of thinking and the vastness of knowledge are lost.

I completely agree. The answer is five points!

[Refund_SSSR]

I am glad that there are people who are able to realize true harm of the exam. For the most part, every year one and the same picture is observed, as every year the gray mass of society during the exam begins yelling at the top of its lungs and yelling with stereotyped phrases like a herd and this cry "Beeeeeeee!" has nothing to do with the essence of the harm inflicted by the USE on our society ... But you have to yell.
This site is no exception.
I repeat, the harm of the exam in the destruction of knowledge or their replacement with false or unnecessary.
For example, the question, "How many diopters are in Pierre Bezukhov's glasses?" Does not at all characterize knowledge of War and peace, and indeed who is this Pierre. And coaching the Unified State Exam for the next day does not force students to know and understand the events taking place .. It is enough to train such questions on the knowledge of these questions ..
And what's the difference, the student wrote off the exam or not, if all 11 years he did not receive an education, but was trained for a test?

[Rustiger]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

I am glad that there are people who are able to realize the true harm of the exam. . . the harm of the exam in the destruction Knowledge or replacing them with false or unnecessary ones.

Here from here and all misunderstanding of a question.
ALL:
"DRIVE YOURSELF INTO THE BRAIN" !!!
USE is not EDUCATION SYSTEM, THIS SYSTEM (attempt) TESTING

I will give an example as an athlete in the past and / and coach in the present. I remember how recently everyone here praised the TRP. That exam with something akin to this! And measures to achieve good results, everyone has the right to choose CAM.

Quote: We refund_SSSR

And what's the difference, the student wrote off the exam or not, if all 11 years he did not receive an education, but was trained for a test?

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Who prevented him from "forming" ???
Teachers who constantly take away his textbook and stuff his cell phone into the grabber? The headmaster, not letting him into the library, but making him sit in front of the computer. igruhoy? "Red Lebanon" buying beer for the whole school? Or maybe parents who do not want their children to grow up "like themselves in the USSR"? Well, who is that bastard that everyone "knows" about, but no one has seen him. ... ...

[DrekerexeN]

Well, at least one normal person.

[SPACE]

Quote: Rustiger

TO ALL: "DRIVE YOURSELF INTO THE BRAIN" !!! The exam is not an EDUCATION SYSTEM

Earlier in M. Zadornov's article "Let's help the ministry" he just pointed to the same thing. The exam is not a learning process! The exam is a process of assessing knowledge! These are completely different concepts and, judging by the hysteria around the USE, it suggests that most critics of the USE do not understand this, but en masse wind up each other. I would also add that if education is the RIGHT of every person, then there should not be any serious restrictions or barriers on this path, any entrance exams or tests should be a simple formality. The Unified State Exam is a test of residual knowledge from the previous learning process, it is only necessary as a barrier for the ignorant and for the separation and distribution of applicants, in terms of complexity, in universities. ALL! The USE does not include any more tasks and does not contribute to either the development or the acquisition of knowledge, although it can only be, as in the form of cramming before passing. And to fight the USE is to fight windmills. But where it is really necessary to fight is to improve the quality of the educational process. Someone gave an example: "Sorbona", "anyone" who knows French can enter there without exams, but it is even easier to fly out for truancy or poor academic performance than to enter.
Z.Y. Yes, there are problems in the USE, but problems should not lead to harsh criticism and cancellation, but should lead to an improvement in the testing process itself.
ZZZ Personally, my opinion is in the refusal, in general, of any entrance exam or exam, in favor of the unified state graduation exams, it is such an exam that should automatically enable further training.

[Rustiger]

That's what I'm talking about!

Quote: SPACE

The exam is testing residual knowledge from the previous learning process, it is only necessary as a barrier for the ignorant and for the separation and distribution of applicants, by complexity, to universities. ALL! The USE does not include any more tasks and does not contribute to either development or the acquisition of knowledge,

This is "I will take into service" (with your permission).
I agree with the rest unconditionally! Except the last paragraph. With him, everything is so simple.

[Barracuda148]

I agree completely

[Egoza]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Or someone here didn’t use spurs

I didn't use it! Like almost everyone in our class. Although the teachers even said: "Write cheat sheets. 1. Finally, you will work through the material, 2. If you could fit the most important thing on a small piece of paper, you have already learned something."

Quote: We refund_SSSR

maybe someone in your class was not helped by teachers in exams, in schools of the USSR? At all times, window dress flourished in the USSR and teachers fought for high scores on exams, including by pulling grades.

And I disagree with that! As a teacher herself, she also helped both at the university and at school in exams. And not at all because a high indicator was needed, but because the teacher KNOWS the student. It happens that a cadet gets stuck on the translation, gets nervous, cannot move further, and if you tell him this unfortunate word or phrase - and it goes great. At school - a weak student, made 22 mistakes in writing. But he persistently studied these rules, practiced, and began to make 7-8 mistakes. There is progress! But according to the rules, in the first and in the second case, you need to put "2". But he WORKED !!! I will definitely pull it out !!! But I will not help a bum or an impudent person.

[Refund_SSSR]

Quote: Egoza

I didn't use it! Like almost everyone in our class. Although the teachers even said: "Write cheat sheets.

What exactly are you and "NEARLY"everyone in your class did not use sporms and did not cheat, even though the teachers ALLOWED, from your own words, does not yet refute my words, on the contrary, confirms my innocence.

Quote: Egoza

not at all because a high rate was needed, but because the teacher KNOWS the student. It happens that the cadet stalled on the translation, nervous

those. Is it not that help that is not acceptable on the exam by the teacher, but other help that is acceptable on the part of the teacher?
Funny double standards. And you still say something about the amers with the gay people? not ashamed?
Or maybe now teachers do not know what children are capable of and they cannot be helped by students? But you can't! And for such help they will be dismissed without trial and investigation and no one will look at the "potential" of the child and do not care whether he worked or not deserves a higher assessment or is unworthy.
For double standards and hypocrisy, for "almost" and so on - you have a fat minus

[Egoza]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

even though the teachers RESOLVED,

Where did I write that I was ALLOWED to use? You said "write", but don't use it.

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Funny double standards. And you still say something about the amers with the gay people? not ashamed?

Not ashamed! It’s one thing when you help simply because you understand the psychological state of the exam, or because you understand that it’s impossible to kill faith in the child that he worked for nothing, tried, and his work was noticed and appreciated! And you do it ACROSSLY!
Currently, teachers spit on it, not all, but many. And the majority have a purely "commercial interest". Taking bribes for an exam is criminal.

[Refund_SSSR]

Quote: Egoza

You said "write", but don't use it.

Let's not, huh? and didn't leave the classroom for 15 minutes during the exams completely "by accident"? Well, don't be a hypocrite!

Quote: Egoza

And you do it ACROSSLY!

And the competent authorities do not care if the teacher helped for a fee or not, the point will be fired. And the fact of help does not cancel. So do not distort!
This is another attempt to justify the violation - nothing more than the reapplication of double standards.
So let's talk about facts, not motives, are we adults? (I hope).

Quote: Egoza

IMMEDIATELY!

Maybe you don’t know how much a gold medal cost in schools in the USSR ?! "free of charge" .. well, well .. there were enough corrupt ones at all times.
_________
Most modern large companies with a high level of RFP are now practicing SHL testing.
This test does not contain any difficult tasks and is carried out in two stages: "Speech" and "Mathematical", and so, by and large, this test shows the ability to concentrate and think in a stressful situation with limited time. And this is the correct test. Because slow-witted people are not needed.
This is a word about "confused ignoramuses".
If a person has knowledge, then he is able to apply it, and if he does not have or doubts, then he does not deserve high marks and this is my opinion as the chief engineer of one of the Russian research institutes.

[Egoza]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

Let's not, huh? and didn't leave the classroom for 15 minutes during the exams completely "by accident"? Well, don't be a hypocrite!

You may be out of luck with your teachers. I was lucky. There was nothing that you write about. But out of 32 graduates of our class, 28 received higher education. And they passed all the exams to universities without any "paws". And to this day, at the evenings of meetings (and we gather every year), we still remember how carefully our teachers treated our psyche, how they tried to find a key for everyone, and how clearly the understanding was given: "If you want a higher mark, work hard. the work will be noticed. " they could even give the “poor student” five for the essay, which he really wrote himself (although there were mistakes in it).
By the way - to this day I do not know how much a gold medal costs (cost).

[bezumnyiPIT]

Grammar school, or school with a bias?

[Egoza]

Quote: bezumnyiPIT

Grammar school, or school with a bias?

If this is a question for me, then - the usual secondary school number 48 (Kiev). Release - 1969. Then there were no gymnasiums.

[Rakti-kali]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

and didn't leave the classroom for 15 minutes during the exams completely "by accident"? Well, don't be a hypocrite!

So what? A concrete example is when I was studying at the institute with one of the teachers, not just allowing, but directly demanding to use any textbooks on the exam. Bottom line: the first time this exam passed less than 2/3 of the group. Conclusion: only the traditional exam is able to show the student’s knowledge level, the USE, in the form in which it exists now, does not imply an assessment of the building knowledge.

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: Rakti-Kali

one of the teachers, not only allowed, but directly demanded to use any textbooks on the exam.

Correctly stupid cramming never benefited. It is impossible to remember such volumes of information. But the ability to search for information, analyze it and choose the most important and necessary is much more important than blunt cramming.

[Lapotnik]

Stop trolling. The fact that you had something there was worth it, it was at YOU. I am from a family of teachers, excellent teachers, and what you write is the lot of illiterate hypocrites who replace the generally accepted norms of education, help with mythological bloopers about THAT time, akin to "Brezhnev's" sausage and other things. Once again, if YOU or any of YOUR acquaintances had to buy something, write off en masse, and so on, then this is just YOUR subjective view that has nothing to do with reality.

[alicante11]

Are you talking about the end of 80's, then everything was already sold and bought

[Khokhol-MSC]

Bad of you engineer, if you think that slow-witted people are not needed.
I am slow-witted. I think for a long time, I make a decision by analyzing a bunch of facts and immediately I can never answer correctly.
Stressful situations during exams were often put into a stupor. But, the "trigger" was enough to release the "avalanche of knowledge".

The result was admission to the KGRI, the head of the group, 14 honors diplomas because of my causticity and the fact that I "drowned" those who did not want to study. I have one of the honors degrees.

Further training, his own company, and today a successful and respected IT analyst.

This is my opinion, as one of the gurus of domestic IT, and, in addition, confirmation of your incompetence in your post.

[cumastra1]

I also never used spurs, although our teachers (not all) were creative - they forced us to write spurs, and whoever turned out to be the most concise, was allowed to use them. But they asked with such rigor, as a result, few dared to answer on spurs. But I think it was useful. The student read the material, highlighted the main thing, creatively reworked.

[urganov]

Less to you for juggling the essence and attempting demagogy. And still trying to argue with the teacher ...

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: Egoza

But I will not help the idler or the impudent person for anything.

Familiar. Sam worked for 4 years in a stake as a labor worker, until the crisis of 98g broke out. And the daughter was born, I had to look for a more satisfying job. There were conflicts with the head teacher due to the fact that he "spoiled" the Horoshists with a troika for "non-prestigious" works. And then they got used to the fact that for work, physical education and singing, they were almost automatically put in fours and were too impudent.

[bezumnyiPIT]

The fact is that any scaffold on the classic (by ticket) exam can be pulled out to the top three, and such are always found. On the exam, he himself must work.

[Khokhol-MSC]

You know, I just came across tickets for the Unified State Exam. Despite the fact that this is my job and I have had more than 11 years of experience, I have long and thoughtfully tried to find an answer to some questions related to my profession, trying to understand what THIS is what they want from "me". When I understood, I scolded them with the last words for the curvature of the language: the simplest question was perverted so that you can understand what you wanted.

[bezumnyiPIT]

Today, nobody cares, how can you reason, what is your speech culture, the main thing is to learn typical tasks

[igor36]

Did you understand what you wrote? If you get over 30000 (thirty thousand) !!! tasks ehe in all subjects will automatically put.

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: bezumnyiPIT

the main thing is to learn typical tasks

And it turns out typical people. But what about individuality? personality?

[fox1993]

And the exam is not "window dressing" is it? To whom are we showing off and to whom and what do we want to prove? West or what? So they did not recognize the diplomas of 99 percent of our universities, and they do not recognize and do not intend to, because This is politics. In our country, corruption in universities did not decrease upon admission, rather the opposite. School graduates under various pretexts are illegally "aboard" with their USE results. And children in schools from 9 to 11 grades, in fact, are not taught specific subjects, but "trained" like a dog to correctly answer the questions of these "exams". I see it in my daughter. Children do not strive to develop a creative approach to gaining knowledge, improving them, do not interest them in obtaining it as the basis for their future prosperous life, but only scare them - if you do not pass the exam, "your future will collapse", you go to a hard worker, dig the earth.

[Tatar]

everything is correct, we already count 2 + 2 on the calculator. most of the time the current youth and children spend in the social. networks and plays computer games (here's the "development" of sports), a simple student is no longer interested in kicking a ball on the street, it is better to poke buttons. and the Unified State Exam in Russia and in our Kazakhstan UNT, what can these tests show - how lucky is anyone ?! let him try to answer the questions without an answer. then statistics will show that the majority of today's graduates are at the level of a fifth-grader in the USSR.

[Vladimir 23rus]

Or did someone present here not use spurs and parachutes in exams? woe-truth-tellers .. Or maybe someone in your class was not helped by teachers in exams, in schools of the USSR? At all times, window dress flourished in the USSR and teachers fought for high scores on exams, including by pulling grades.


Isn't that right now?

[kris]

The Unified State Exam is one of the tools for dividing society. The current rulers do not need thinking people. They need rams that are easy to manage.
And the corruption component is obvious. The best results in the Russian language in kalkaz, where many speak Russian with difficulty.

PS Lord Putiners, your idol again knows nothing about this mess? And it is strange that with his arrival they introduced the exam.

[Suhov]

Quote: kris

The Unified State Exam is one of the tools for the dibilization of society.

There is no silver lining:
The time has come for exams.
Young people reached out to church.

[bezumnyiPIT]

Quote: kris

USE is one of the tools for fucked up societies. The current rulers do not need thinking people. They need sheep that are easy to manage.
And the corruption component is obvious. The best Russian language results in kalkasewhere many say in Russian with difficulties.

PS Lord Putiners, your idol again knows nothing about this mess? And it is strange that with his arrival they introduced the exam.

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[JonnyT]

Yes, yes, yes, if under the Soviet system of education it was possible to communicate normally with a double and triple, often highly qualified specialists grew up from them, then today's stupid people, and USE students, people with pattern targeting ......
My employer has big problems with the selection of young personnel, those who have gone the last time nifig can’t, it’s easier to hire a vocational school teacher with good basic knowledge and train him yourself than to contact a graduate of the modern educational system!

[DrekerexeN]

I see one of the sheep ... Corruption has been everywhere and always. And the exam has one very significant plus. ONCE wrote, sent to three different universities. And by mail. And you wait. How was it? Do not pass - go for a walk. You’ll try again in a year.

[Egoza]

Quote: DrekerexeN

ONCE wrote, sent to three different universities.

Do universities have a similar profile? for example, they manage to send us to one university - for an engineer, in the second - for an economist, in the third - for a lawyer ...
Aby get somewhere!

[DrekerexeN]

Yes. Even the specialties were similar.

[Vasya Ivanov]

Who does IT NEED for this exam, except for the Ministry of Education, with a very strange headed minister?
I agree, the minister is strange, but where are they grown? in USA. The priority of the State Department is to establish control (development assistance) over education in the occupied territories.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vasya Ivanov

The strange minister agrees, but where are they grown?

In the glorious city of St. Petersburg

[Vasya Ivanov]

He worked for a while abroad. There is a suspicion that he healer.

[DeerIvanovich]

I will tell you a terrible secret they (the government) almost without exception

[DrekerexeN]

I need my classmates. Those who studied and want to do.

[Rediska]

Well, these answers came out :) Do you think they were correct? Noohett ... :) All of Russia is divided into four regions, each with its own options) In that they didn’t put the right one) 20% didn’t coincide) I handed over the Russian on Monday I know ... and cheat sheets? Two and a half hours are given for the exam ... do you think there is time to use them? Not a, no) You write right in the butt practically)

[beech]

as a graduate I’ll say this: on the one hand, it’s good, you can score points well on the tests) on the other hand, it’s bad, because it’s not known what is being prepared for ... here’s tomorrow’s history exam and I don’t know which ruler to teach !!! I made a damn bunch of cheat sheets, because without them you can’t do anything. And finally, the last, my personal opinion, is that in a few years it will turn into a regular exam. Every year, it’s more and more difficult, soon all English will be required to be passed ...

[APASUS]

Quote: aszzz888

See what is happening with the exam this year after the FIRST exam? Mass Internet access after passing in the Far East with answer options.

In a country where everything is sold and everything is bought, what do you want?
After all, the main value is $!
In our school a couple of years ago, they brought sealed bags in the evening for the exam.
The director put them in a safe, and in the morning they were all opened.
Paradox!?

[Oberst_71]

Still excellent results on the exam in the Caucasus region. With such results, direct to MGIMO.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oberst_71

Still excellent results on the exam in the Caucasus region.

Remember yourself, how you passed the exams in schools. Everyone pulled. To improve grades for the report. Now the same thing. But it is also aggravated by salaries. If there are poor results in the classroom or the school as a whole, then the school remains without a prize, and the class teacher receives a meager, instead of a salary. They left no choice for teachers to take or not to take bribes, all the more so parents bear a lot, if only the child passed successfully passed the exam. All that shows on TV is impossible phones, etc. Yes, all this bullshit, in some schools where there is no TV, students openly use everything that is possible. Well, except that there are no laptops. And parents or teachers are sitting in the cars with laptops, and through the help of waifai, they prompt their pupils and children.
EGE IS A DISEASE OF OUR EDUCATION !!!

[Rustiger]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Remember yourself, how you passed the exams in schools. Everyone pulled. To improve grades for the report

With this, Sasha, I agree, perhaps. With the rest, in no case. For every offer. I say this as a teacher's husband, who knows the situation, t.s. "from the inside", I hear conversations "about school" almost every day during these 12 years, incl. about the exam and salaries, I have three friends-teachers with whom they ate more than one kilogram of meat and consumed more than one liter of alcohol.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If there are poor results in the classroom or the school as a whole, the school remains without a bonus, and the class teacher receives a minuscule instead of a salary.

A relic of the past. The school receives subsidies for the number of students, regardless of academic performance. Teachers were "tied to the ball point system of calculating" salaries, it almost does not depend on grades, especially on the exam. And it depends on participation in competitions, victories of students, publication of articles on specials. forums, loads and something else. For the third year in a row my wife has been offered to go to the head teacher, she is not in any. He will lose his salary, and he will carry a bunch of smut. ... ...

Quote: Alexander Romanov

.Leave no choice for teachers whether to take or not to take bribes, all the more so parents bear a lot, if only the child passed the exam successfully.

Who should bear if rotation of inspectors and
controllers. If neither the schoolboys, nor the parents, nor the teachers know before the start of the exam where they will be building, who will control, and in which school. Last year's case. In the city, in one school, after the palette - the PS (drop-off point) / school is fined 50000 tons, and two teachers only suspected of "helping" are 10000 tons each. ... ...

Quote: Alexander Romanov

All that shows on TV is impossible phones, etc.

Technically, "extinguish" all the "attempts of cunning bugs" are technically uncomplicated and financially minimal. But it turned out like with cameras in the elections. When the "web" in the nearest store costs 250-350 rubles. and on securities for 1500 rubles .. And those after the elections were removed from the walls. And where did they go. ... ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Rustiger

A relic of the past. The school receives subsidies for the number of students

Well, it means that it depends on the region. We also have teachers living nearby and schools are very different. They don’t decide how much they donate, but the sponsors of schools. Now look at the schools where ROSNEFT is a sponsor and compare where the sponsors are Chpshniki. The difference is obvious.

Quote: Rustiger

. If neither a schoolboy, nor parents, nor teachers know where they will be building before the Unified State Examination,

In another week, all the fuss started and it was announced where they would hand over

Quote: Rustiger

and two teachers, only suspected of "help", 10000 tons each. And this is "for the first time"

Say bribe amount

Quote: Rustiger

And they were removed from the walls after the election. And where did they do it. . .

I did not take

[Sibiryak]

The Unified State Examination, of course, has both positive and negative aspects, I have no doubt about it, but as always, it was entrusted to the fools and treasuries, in the end we have what we have not brought to mind!

[Garrin]

Quote: Sibiryak

The exam, of course, has both positive and negative aspects, I have no doubt about it,

As I don’t look, I didn’t see a single positive side. A tool for debilitating youth, nothing more.

[Sibiryak]

Quote: Garrin

As I don’t look, I didn’t see a single positive side. A tool for debilitating youth, nothing more.

You need to look carefully, the positive side is no matter how trite it sounds, every Russian graduate of a comprehensive school gets the opportunity to enter any state university in the country. And the fact that the leadership of these educational institutions and some others put all kinds of obstacles, then the appropriate authorities must deal with such things, and we have it all left to chance!

[bezumnyiPIT]

There are positive aspects, but they are nullified by the mistakes and mistakes of the Ministry of Education and Science

[DrekerexeN]

Not all and not always.

[pensioner]

I didn’t even read the article. I have an unambiguous attitude to the exam: Mr. There is nothing better than a system: an exam teacher. A ticket, an answer, and then a conversation on add. issues. And that’s it! I mean, everything is clear. The mouse will not slip, and even the daybill - even more so. If everything is done right.

[Bort radist]

Quote: retired

If everything is done right.

Here is the keyword. You yourself study and take exams yourself! and the mouse will not slip . I can tell how a girl medalist wrote an application for admission without exams (GOLD MEDAL) and made 5 mistakes in three sentences. To this, or what to return? Or when in a separate class future medalists write an essay separately from everyone under the strict guidance of the most honest teachers ......... About Pierre and Natasha, the number of steps, diopters already got. Please photo of these stupid questions from the tasks (trial CMMs are handed out) imagine? I can only imagine how much money the universities lost. Having lost the right to take exams on their own. Many graduates (who study from year to year, rather than hanging out at night clubs) are satisfied with this system. They came from Siberia to Moscow State University, but before that money would not be enough. The system is certainly not perfect. They promise to return the traditional form to the choice, but, as I understand it, there will be video registration of oral answers. And for those who are not in the know of tasks A, B, C.
And the tests are a question - choose the answer from the ready ones; correctly counted by 3.
In - reflections, judgments on a certain topic. C is a mini composition. And then many think that the exam is one stupid question.

[DrekerexeN]

The second adequate person in this topic. And then everything is usually "I did not hand over, but I condemn!" And who degrades after that? Who studied - he passed. Those who did not study whine, scribble complaints and so on.

[Rustiger]

Quote: DrekerexeN

The second adequate person in this thread

Total 3! Will it be about five percent? Of course not enough, but still better than nothing at all. Hopefully more "fit". ... ...

[DrekerexeN]

Below there is still a couple) I just read 5-6)

[pensioner]

About 5 mistakes. Not a record. One actor on stage in the word "I" 3 did - said "Mge". This is so - not the topic, by the way. Those. Are you saying that corruption in higher education reached such proportions that it completely (or almost) excluded the admission of talented, but (alas) young people not rich in money? And the exam is a blow to the hands of corrupt officials? Well, good: hit the hands. On the head, why? As for corruption, I don't know ... What period are you considering? And which region? And the future medalists in my class were sitting next to us. 1-2 per school. Not more.

[DrekerexeN]

Often these "talented" people lack basic knowledge. "It's nothing that Vassenka does not know the multiplication table, but how he thinks creatively" laugh alone ...

[Bort radist]

Quote: retired

And future medalists in my class were sitting next to us. 1-2 to school. Not more.

You just don’t know (I don’t want to offend in absentia), but then many of them sat separately and copied compositions, control, ..... Not only their parents are interested in medalists. I will not argue, in education 30 years . I repeat the exams should pass on a choice, in tradition and the exam. So it will be in three years. But the tradition is with video registration and not on the forms of the educational institution, printing and a piece of paper in the box.

[pensioner]

Quote: Bort Radist

exams must be taken at choice, in tradition and the exam. So it will be in three years. But the tradition is with video registration and not on the forms of the educational institution, printing and a piece of paper in the box.

Not all of this is human ...

[007jamesbond]

Well written, the topic is fully covered. Score - 5 points :) But seriously, I completely agree that the country needs working hands, smart heads not on a piece of paper and only in language, but in the head and hands. That is why there are so many managers, not engineers, teachers, because it is one thing to “comb through” the language around the bush, and it is completely different to show your skills and experience, skills in practice. As soon as this issue is resolved, science, education, and the domestic aircraft industry, mechanical engineering will enter the world market. Moreover, we are still remembered in the union and there is something to cling to, Cuba, Venezuela are buying our equipment, Syria is reaching out for help, Afghan majahideen remember honest and decent Soviet servicemen ... It all depends on ourselves and each in particular.

[Pharao7766]

Article +1000000
But I would like to add that, the Unified State Examination is just a crown on a pile of fragments of the best Soviet Education in the world.
That - who, how and with what children are taught now is just a scribe!
Until the system of education of the USSR is returned, naturally, taking into account modern realities and technical possibilities, our country will DEGRAD!

[Garrin]

Quote: Pharao7766

But I would like to add that, the Unified State Examination is just a crown on a pile of fragments of the best Soviet Education in the world.

In this phrase, I would replace the word "crown" with "a bunch of g..na", and so - that's right.

[omsbon]

Totally agree with you! I talked recently with a young history teacher, this is a complete loser - HE DOES NOT KNOW YOUR SUBJECT!
An urgent need to restore the education system of the USSR!
Livanov to the dustbin of history!

[DrekerexeN]

Yeah, and the history of the party will be taught?) The mess is not in closets, the mess in the heads)

[77bor1973]

And according to the results of the unified state examination, everyone will join the army, and according to the results of the KMB, it’s up to who to serve and who to serve next! “Don’t cry, boy,” the soldiers don’t cry!

[bezumnyiPIT]

where does the KMB?

[Prometheus]

Yesterday I passed the GIA in mathematics. Not an exam, but almost the same thing. Everyone except 15 people had the answers, probably ... Why is it necessary if the enterprise then reveals the unavailability of the person who wrote off the exam? But this can be opened in the accident, at the cost of victims.

[bezumnyiPIT]

Well, did you cheat? If not, praise and honor! If yes, draw conclusions

[Prometheus]

I didn’t cheat.

[Ishtan]

Examination - this is complete ...
I passed it myself in 2012. Do not pass it - it must be complete ..... Yes, and the tasks themselves do not cause any difficulties.
But creative thinking is killed on the spot. Fortunately, I had wonderful teachers, their honor and praise. And the USE level does not correspond to what they want in universities (FENU, for example)

[fartfraer]

took the exam upon admission to the university 9 years after I graduated from school. I prepared a week in three subjects (Russian, history, social studies) and acted quite calmly. (in the oldest university in Siberia, and not in some "little )
I'm far from a genius, and therefore the conclusion was made only by one USE full

[lewerlin53rus]

Today I release two daughters. One of 11, the other of 9 classes. The elder on Monday had a test in the Russian language, a scandal. Yesterday, the youngest, in mathematics, also got answers on the Internet. someone managed to download, someone not. it's only the beginning.

[leon-iv]

it's only the beginning.

That’s all under the article in the Criminal Code. That being said, the stage of debugging the system.

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: leon-iv

That being said, the stage of debugging the system.

how much can you debug? There was a normal education system, recognized as the best in the world, it was enough to slightly adjust it depending on the realities. And they undertook to reform it. As a result, over all these years, the "reforms" have broken one system, and the second, obviously the worst, cannot be debugged. And how can you debug a system if it cannot work by itself.

[leon-iv]

how much can you debug?

well, about 5 years

There was a normal education system.

But there was a disgusting familiarity control system of knowledge.

As a result, over all these years, the "reforms" have broken one system, and the second, obviously the worst, cannot be debugged.

And can you highlight the signs of the school of the Russian Federation and the USSR?

But how can you debug a system if it alone cannot work as such?

I'm talking about the mechanism for monitoring the implementation of the exam

[fartfraer]

and what prevented "familiarity, cronyism and corruption from being brought under the article?" (Something is already criminally punishable.)
“Can you single out the signs of the school of the Russian Federation and the USSR?” - I dare to suggest that it was a broader outlook and stock of knowledge in different subjects.
I apologize for getting into your conversation

[sanyabasik]

The exam is very good! More than 80% in the universities of the capital (prestigious) - descended from the mountains with their "well-deserved" 100 points and ignorance of the Russian language .. And a normal and gifted child from the middle lane cannot break through. This is government policy. The results will be oh how soon ..

[shamil]

not always a student from the mountains rolls! Here is an example: a girl studied in foreign language in degestan, after the first year she got married, moved to Surgut
and she had to start from the first

[DrekerexeN]

Have your children passed badly?

[sanyabasik]

A single state examiner was introduced to reduce corruption in education. Nothing of the kind happened, and in the national republics, passing the final school tests became a well-established business, bringing considerable income to teachers and intermediaries. There was even a special term: "Dagestan Unified State Examination" - after applicants began to enter federal universities that were difficult to explain in Russian. But with 100-point results of a single exam.

[bubla5]

Fursenko introduced the most corrupt component of the USE exams in Russia, they study over the hill and dictate their idiotic rules of education, well this is real idiocy, former education is a life-long and unique experimental development of upbringing and education for 45 years of the USSR, and the drunk Ural drunk and his henchmen later destroyed the entire system

[Grbear]

Discussions about the exam as a system for assessing the level of education are unpromising and belated.

Belated because:
- the system is officially implemented and works;
- teaching methods in schools began to "sharpen" educational processes under the Unified State Examination since 2001;
- since 2006, roughly, one million graduates a year (future specialists), studied with a focus on this type of certification;
- The teaching staff prepared by the institutes for this period has replaced the previous one by 30-40% and does not imagine other forms of teaching (assessment of the quality of teaching - USE);
- A clear dependence of the financial situation of the school and teachers on the results of exams has been developed.

Unpromising - the action is completed, it bears fruit and has been evaluated.

The social component of the exam (social elevator) is not significant. At institutes there was reservation for nonresident, but there weren’t so many excellent students from the Caucasus and Yakutia. Subjectivity and self-interest in evaluating applicants has always existed (in different forms and scales), but only an experienced teacher can evaluate the prospects of a future student.

The psychological aspect of the exam.

The verdict - "I did not pass", which was received from the "objective" soulless system and the same, from the commission of living people, affects the psyche of a young person in different ways.

Some conclusions:
- the processes of changes in the field of education should not be "reformatory", but only evolutionary, based on time-tested methods;
- education should become part of state interests and domestic policy;
- analysis of the situation and decision-making on the future direction of the development of education should not occur within the framework of the executive body (ministry);
- limit the commercialization of the school.

Now we have what we have, but we must understand what we want tomorrow and how to achieve it.

[pensioner]

Quote: GrBear

Belated because:
- the system is officially implemented and works;

And what: in order to destroy what would not work, are there any problems in our country?

[leon-iv]

But my parents believe that the exam is one of the most objective indicators of knowledge in natural science disciplines.
Threat Father is a teacher of physics, mother is a teacher of physics and the head of the methodological association.

[Egoza]

Quote: leon-iv

Father is a teacher of physics, mother is a teacher of physics and the head of the methodological association.

In physics - maybe. If only dry answers on formulas and just write laws. (I do not know the content of the questions - I can not judge objectively). But here's the literature, history, a foreign language .... full of crap.

[leon-iv]

If only dry answers according to formulas and just laws to write

learn blocks B and C that you really need to think and write yourself. Why a well-written test gives a complete picture.
Threat Test is not necessarily a set of answers.

[Egoza]

Quote: leon-iv

learn blocks B and C that you really need to think and write yourself. Why a well-written test gives a complete picture.
Threat Test is not necessarily a set of answers.

Alas! I can only judge by Ukrainian tests. And here:
1. ERRORS in the answers (which they then acknowledge if the parents reached the Ministry of Education)
2. Two answers may be correct.
3. All the same, in humanitarian subjects, tests can be used as test papers, but not as an exam. They will show neither creative thinking, nor knowledge of literature, nor language proficiency

[bezumnyiPIT]

What are you minus? Or maybe the exam form has never been seen?

[pensioner]

With physics and mathematics - similarly. No understanding - no formulas will help. Do not give up !! Checked. Repeatedly. On myself.

[bezumnyiPIT]

For the exact sciences, the test form of delivery is the most, but for humanitarian subjects, alas and ah

[baltika-18]

Quote: leon-iv

Father is a teacher of physics, mother is a teacher of physics and the head of the methodological association.

Then it’s clear why you are with your hands and feet behind the exam.
Formulas can be learned without understanding the process, and understanding the application of this formula.

[Egoza]

Soviet education will be available in Britain. We are all surprised: why are these kids of our oligarchs and government officials seeking out in Britain for diplomas? So there is the highest level of education - in a country where the Prime Minister does not know who is the author of the patriotic song “Rule, Britain, the Seas” and what is the “Magna Carta”? It turns out that standards of Soviet education are being introduced in foggy Albion.

In Great Britain they intend to adopt the experience of Soviet education, transmit Vesti with reference to ITAR-TASS. Mathematics-capable children are going to be trained here on the model of specialized schools that first appeared in Russia during the Soviet era. It is in this way that the United Kingdom's Minister of Education, Michael Gove, plans to raise the level of teaching the “Queen of Sciences” in public schools.

The first Soviet-reformed school will begin work in 2014, on the basis of London's King's College. Others will appear behind it. There will be in-depth study of mathematics and prepare children for admission to the best universities.

“The idea is based on a network of schools that emerged in the era of the arms race in the 60 of the last century to identify and nurture the mathematical and scientific elite in order to stimulate the development of the USSR,” British media reported. “As in the Soviet schools, some of which strengthen their positions in modern Russia, some subjects will be conducted by university teachers or students.”

The British mass media refers to the role model as the physics and mathematics boarding school at Moscow State University, founded in 1963 by Andrey Kolmogorov.

The rigorous selection of students will be based on the results of examinations, the completion of summer courses and interviews. Now King's College is developing a strategy for a new project.
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And you swear that the "top" send children to study in London! You can get a Soviet education there!

[shamil]

Zhirinovskii in the Duma announced the certificate of the Minister of Education. threesome!

[leon-iv]

Zhirinovskii in the Duma announced the certificate of the Minister of Education. threesome

what?

[pensioner]

If the Soviet-normal ... Checked.

[Black]

Quote: shamil

Zhirinovskii in the Duma announced the certificate of the Minister of Education. threesome!

I am not a teacher of the Russian language, but for your pearl you are one less than the minister’s ball. I found 4 spelling and one speech.
Passed the exam or the old?

[Bort radist]

Quote: Chen

Passed the exam or the old?

Well, you found fault - the education was the best and this is important !!!, and rhetorical questions are not so convenient.

[shamil]

We have something that is not a reform ....... but. Hope when my exam will be canceled to hell. With a secret military mail, you need to open the exam tasks in sealed packages with a postscript in so many 'in case of emergency, destroy (eat) What? Russia's security is under threat
With degestan, there are only round honors rod

[DrekerexeN]

And fly out after the first session.

[Lakkuchu]

Quote: shamil

With degestan, there are only round honors rod

Your name is Dagestan, but you write the name of the republic incorrectly. Not degestan, but Dagestan, if there are women

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I have a wife, a teacher .. is present at the exam ... as according to the story of the children they make some sheep .. I imagine which of them will be specialists (only if lawyers and economists ..))

[Rustiger]

Quote: MIKHAN

I have a wife teacher

And I, too, like two cousins, a late aunt, and three friends.

Quote: MIKHAN

tells of some kind of sheep

Maybe she can tell us who this "Frankenstein" is? And how does he counteract the GETTING OF KNOWLEDGE "to such responsible and concerned about their children" parents? How and most importantly when "he" infects children with a vaccine that causes "STEADY IMMUNITY TO KNOWLEDGE"?

[Khokhol-MSC]

do not confuse the concept of "knowledge" and "information". Unified State Exam - checking the presence of an identical "mold of the information component", without checking the ability to apply it. And the latter is more important in life.

[Vitamoralle]

There used to be a problem with preferential categories, which are 100-point results. I bought a certificate and entered the budget (of course, subject to a satisfactory result of the exam).
If so many problems have accumulated now, then what will happen to the Higher School just around the corner 2016-2018 and the introduction of the exam for students ...

[Goldmitro]

<<< But if tens of millions of Russians are already literally shouting that the Unified State Exam is a substitute for the real assessment of students' knowledge, that this system has absorbed all the negativity that Western countries refuse, then why does the "triumphal" procession of the Unified State Exam across Russia continue ? >>>
Only one conclusion suggests itself - the liberal market-oriented people who have occupied and rule many spheres of our life: the economy, education ... DO NOT NEED ANY LITERATE! We need dropouts, mediocrity who find it easier to push their pseudo-scientific theories about imminent capitalist prosperity, hang on to the ears, explaining why we just can't get out of the w ... s, where these "clever guys" - the helmsmen drove the country!

[fisherman]

Why is everyone surprised? The work is carried out in a planned way, the goals are being met. Another 12 years will pass and it can be considered that one generation with the "necessary" education has been created. Three such generations and all the positive experience of the Soviet education system will go down the drain. By that time, only the well-to-do strata of the population will study, just like in 1913. You look at the level of the illiterate and catch up with pre-revolutionary Russia. But we will not live like in a "scoop", he was like that, right?

[USNik]

The exam serves the purpose of standardizing the thinking of young people in general, and as a means of income for Livanov in particular. (PS: in / in Ukraine things are no better )

[OCD]

Amer themselves admitted that the testing system is not as effective as desired, and that they are turning into a nation. And the Ministry of Education continues to impose the USE on us. Why do those who graduate from school in the USSR have much stronger and better knowledge than current students? Let Fursenko answer if he can.

[Rustiger]

Again the members of the forum started an old record "how young we were and how good and right everything was in the USSR." I agree! Yes it was!!! But what now to smear snot on the faces. Enough, you need to take something "old", remake it in a new way, try, but DO, DO, DO. ... ...
I myself consider the exam as a raw, UNFINISHED EXPERIMENTAL INNOVATION. So far "ugly", but NEW!
What a sharp contrast between reality and the comments of forum "experts".
A very indicative fact: anyone can comment on the USE (and indeed the education system in general), the further he is from the education system itself, the more radical and apocalyptic his "commentary" is.
Indeed, initially the exam was (fairly) perceived by the pedagogical community with hostility. This is normal, because this community is generally quite conservative, and they perceive all reforms very painfully after the disaster that happened with our education in the 90s. But here we must pay tribute to the public, the teacher and parent communities - the exam is the rare case when there was real feedback - and universities and schools worked in collaboration with the ministry, and as a result, the earlier exam and the present are two big differences.
I will express the position of my acquaintances and "relatives" of teachers:
Buying the Unified State Exam is a very complicated process that is within the power of a very limited circle of people who, in principle, do not need the Unified State Exam (in Harvard, Oxford and other places where the children of such people study), the Unified State Exam is not accepted. It is complex "in construction" and "in execution" - chaos, confusion and disregard for everything in the departments (read "bureaucrats from education") have remained so.
Sites that sell results do not affect the results of the exam, because these sites are fraudulent, where answers to questions not related to the actual exam are sold.
Returning to the classical exam simply does not make sense, because the exam includes a fairly large part of the classical exam.

If we talk about the essence of the problem, then this particular problem simply does not exist. For the education system as a whole and for the school in particular, the fundamental problem is not at all in the USE, but in that. that the bureaucrat is placed over a professional. The school teacher spends more and more time filling out paperwork and forms, compiling reports, programs and forecasts. And far from always, a teacher can give a person a well-deserved mark or DO NOT GIVE GOD deviate from the program approved by the kutsa, because this is fraught with even more paper work. Moreover, the bureaucrat who should control the teacher currently has FULL POWER over him, so the teacher has been transformed from a creative profession into an outgoing slave on a plantation.
But these problems are not interesting to "experts", as well as other real problems of society (housing, children's medicine and others), they chew and will chew what they spit out from the Kremlin. Because "an expert in everything" is not a profession, it is a sexual position.

[Bort radist]

I posted my post a little higher, I know the minuses are being thrown, here is the opinion of one of the parents from the site. Good man wrote. Everyone understands education and football. Each cook writes articles about the exam and school standards. She does not know how the Unified State Exam is deciphered and has not read the standards, but with pathos and patriotism she will tear up any guidepark. My oldest child is in 9th grade, I don't know about school from blogs and movies. My parent point of view is as follows:

School teachers and university professors today are mired in corruption, at school they give beautiful marks for beautiful eyes, at institutes they give beautiful marks for beautiful banknotes and beautiful sex. Homework is deducted from the GDZ Internet sites. The tests are written off right in the classroom. Teachers constantly "accidentally" forget options for future tests and tests and leave the class to write. Naturally, after such a successful urination on the control solid fives. Most teachers don't give a damn about the knowledge of the students, they give them good grades if the parents didn't go to school to squabble. Many teachers are already unfit for a professional: they don’t give a damn about children, they don’t even have elementary pedagogical skills, they don’t know the subject that they teach children, they don’t give twos.

Thus, the Unified State Examination and the State Academic Examination today are the ONLY examinations giving a more or less real picture of knowledge in children.

That is why most teachers and parents ARE AFRAID of the USE - they know that their children's assessments are drawn and false. It's true. Today, teachers have been drawing beautiful grades for several years, and at the beginning of the last year, before the Unified State Exam or GIA, they give students a test test. It turns out that 90% of children will leave school with a certificate. The "teachers" sigh meaningfully, roll their eyes to the top and carry pretentious crap about the damned USE, Fursenko, Putin and capitalism. Parents happily assent and nod to them - after all, it is so convenient to shift their teacher and parental meanness onto Putin, Yeltsin and Judas Gorbachev.

And the truth is that the Unified State Exam, independent of teachers, should be held annually, when moving from class to class, for all 11 years. Then on the next conspiracy thesis roll: "Well, you understand - fursenok ..." the pseudo-teacher will receive a blow in the snout. And maybe then he will start teaching or, at worst, run away from school and stop mutilating children. This is the link http://maxpark.com/community/3533/content/1678952

[fartfraer]

so it turns out that corruption wasn’t defeated) USE decisions fall into tyrnet, the Caucasus knows Russian at the level of philologists from Moscow State University, etc.)) what has changed? nothing.

[Argast]

Unified State Examination is a commercial enterprise, and for this it was created. Our Unified State Exam in Russian was held in two classrooms in one school.
In one for all the severity, and in the second for "their". The work is submitted in a NOT sealed envelope, which makes it easy to correct / add the necessary

[DrekerexeN]

Complaint to the prosecutor. And with the evidence.

[DrekerexeN]

I have read to the end ... Yes, comrades. there is a problem. And she sounds "I DIDN'T DO - BUT I CONDEMN!" For the whole topic I found 4 adequate people. The rest either live 15-20 years ago, or perceive information only through television. So, firstly, I personally passed the exam. And I prepared and studied for all 11 years. And passed and entered one of the universities of St. Petersburg. I live in another country? There is not in Russia. The Unified State Exam is a completely objective assessment of basic knowledge of the subject. But the tasks are still damp. Although the work is going on. And if your kids can't pass, that's yours and theirs. Understand, basically, nobody fucking needs you, not at school or at a university. You need to be able to earn knowledge yourself. There is no other way now. who taught he himself wrote 100, and entered and unlearned. The rest are flying home after the first session.

[pensioner]

Even if you are a genius who has received an excellent education in our system of secondary education and thanks to the Unified State Examination comprehend science in one of the prestigious universities of the 2 capital cities, then your case is NOT THE RULE. Far from the rule. if we consider the exam as a method of combating corruption in the field of HE, then the exam is a palliative. And not 15-20l.n. finished, and 30. And not only grumble, but also compare. Thank God there is something ... But not everything is bad, not everything ... And self-education is really the most effective teaching method. But not everything can be comprehended. Here the teacher will help. And at the same time he will control: how it fell ... With an addiction.

[baltika-18]

Quote: DrekerexeN

For the whole topic I found 4 adequate people.

The dearest minus earned honestly, as in the exam.
Here, everyone is different, and everyone has different opinions.

[DrekerexeN]

I see these different opinions)

[SPAAARTAAA]

DrekerexeN, I completely agree with you, there's nothing to add here. He passed the exam in 2008. Now this is a REAL chance to enter a university.

[fartfraer]

a real chance, I do not argue. my personal example is the confirmation of .186 points (+ privilege, which was not useful) and a place in the university is provided (well, it was like that for me). I’ll only repeat a week of training in three subjects (with a day off, smoke breaks and household chores) ) 9 years after graduation, when something has already been forgotten. Do you think this is a real assessment of my knowledge? and I think that this is only an assessment of the exam

[Illyria]

198 points, failed. 4 points did not reach. I never thought that so many people would trample on a historian. And there are specialties where they calmly pass from 140-150, because no one goes there. It all depends on the chosen specialty.

[DrekerexeN]

188 points. Passed on to the budget.

[fartfraer]

members of the forum, here the main point is preparation. A person cannot go to the best and oldest university in Siberia in a week of preparation! In the sense that he would not have been able to, but with the "great" Unified State Exam, it's easy.

[Reserve buildbat]

I graduated from school at 1995, so I just heard about the exam. But I talk a lot with the guys who are now studying at institutes - they don’t have a conversation about which textbook is better or which teacher gives the best material. All conversations - how much is the essay, course, etc. In addition, I saw in the diary a remark to a child from a literature teacher. The comment was written with ORPHOGRAPHIC ERRORS.
The day before yesterday I talked to my former classroom. She said that the exam is a haemorrhoid for teachers and idiocy for students, as it is akin to a "fair" assessment of animal agility by climbing a tree. The fish won't get in. In general, one definition is most often heeded about current graduates: the victim of the exam. And this is sad.

[fartfraer]

You brought up a sore subject - in Tomsk, at every stop "term papers, abstracts, tests" hang announcements. I met with an "invisible" earpiece, but a lot of different "subtleties". I did not notice something special about the struggle

[pensioner]

A weak argument, of course, but still ... I do not know a single teacher from USU + UPI (I will never say Urfa!) Who would not advocate the abolition of the USE !. No one! I know decently ... True, all techies ...

[Reserve buildbat]

I graduated from the history department of the Ural State Order of the Red Banner of Labor. A.M. Gorky. There are also no fans of the exam. My supervisor (Prof. Doctor of Historical Sciences A.G. Chevtaev) told me 4 years ago, when I came to visit me from old times, that the students went, to put it mildly, unable to study. They were not taught to study at school, so they do not shine at the university. As a result, the level of graduates has fallen.

[pensioner]

Same!!! Fizfak! Wife is a historian !! Himself in an archaeologist for 5 seasons drove. At Bolshakova 77 finally could almost live. Friends, it was full. Chevtaev knew both himself and his chess player! Stroybat - well, tell me that Urfa compared to Urgu -....!

[Reserve buildbat]

Senior citizen, I’ll tell you directly - There were USU them. A.M. Gorky and UPI them. CM. Kirov. Lumps! The most powerful universities! and now, instead of them, complete UrFU them. EBNa. My fu him.

[DeerIvanovich]

Maybe this is how it will get to the USE, because its disadvantages are hundreds of times overlap with the positive plans that were associated with this implementation. And if the minuses multiplied for 12 years, then it is foolish to hope that the situation with the USE will be better further.

Livanov declared and declares that he will not voluntarily leave this crusade against the Soviet formation and let the discontented shout, but he will do his job no matter what.
So the conclusion: everything will continue this way, because the main Obr of the country is not afraid and declares it.

[Egoza]

Quote: DeerIvanovich

Livanov declared and declares that he will not voluntarily leave this crusade against the Soviet entity

And you can't "leave" him? By the multimillion-dollar complaints of parents?

[DeerIvanovich]

If even a lot ... not millions, of course, but still ... complaints of deputies of the State Duma did not take effect ...
Unless to watch in the dark alley with a club at the ready

[Umnichka]

The collapse of the US adversary continues in all directions. In order to go upstairs, one must see the root - our elite must be national in spirit, the rest of the actions are secondary.

[Yarosvet]

Oh, ladies and gentlemen, they’re good, because it’s not in the way of testing knowledge, which is the exam, it’s. The point is the presentation of this knowledge, its volume and quality.
Objects and watches are cut, astronomy is replaced by an object that has nothing to do with education.
What does the USE have to do with it, if the entire policy of the Government in the field of education is aimed at debilitating the population?

[Bort radist]

Quote: Yarosvet

Oh, ladies and gentlemen, they’re good, because it’s not in the way of testing knowledge, which is the exam, it’s. The point is the presentation of this knowledge, its volume and quality.

This is the root of the problem.

[Illyria]

Last year I passed the exam, but I'd rather pass the tickets 10 times. Some of the questions are simply idiotic (especially in history). But this is half the trouble. The biggest problem is psychological. At us in school this exam was constantly intimidated. I remember we went to take the first exam, the teachers again told us all the nonsense, terribly caught up. We are all shaking, someone has a tantrum. The class teacher soldered me to the valerian. Okay, we came to the next school to take. We were checked by passports, seated. In the cabinets the cameras were hung up, they only escorted them out to the toilet. Those who lingered for a long time almost broke into the booths. Most of the dealers are shaken by nerves, their hands are shaking. You sit displaying each letter so that the computer recognizes. With a fright, I forgot most. It was just some kind of nightmare. Most of all we were nervous, those who really study well. We were constantly scared by this exam, we had a fear of failing him and not doing it.
So it turned out that way, when I entered, 4 points were not enough to the budget. When I found out that I had not entered, I had a hysteria for a week, I almost had a nervous breakdown, my parents were constantly cursing about what to do next. I started to run in technical schools. There, too, only paid, free only technical professions, also based on the results of the exam. I didn't pass physics, so I fly over again. It got to the point that I was going to go to vocational school. My parents almost had a heart attack: with my certificate without triples, with my brains and in a sharaga. They collected money and sent me to study for a fee, they said: "I wanted to enter an istafak, so go and study." So I look at my classmates and think about what they did, half of them do not even know the elementary, they are sitting talking nonsense. Some have already been kicked out, and they scored a very high score on the exam. Now I am sitting in the hope of transferring the vacated budget places.

[fartfraer]

I remembered the joke here in history, I couldn't answer the question "when the war in Korea began" (not literally) (I forgot, I admit it), but a little further there was a question about the war in Korea in the 50th year .. I don't remember that question, however, he successfully answered the first with variant 1950. in total he scored 56 points in history, but he could have typed 55))

[DrekerexeN]

I didn’t surrender - I don’t have any brains) And composure is now no less important than knowledge.

[fartfraer]

criticism and self-criticism, the engine of progress of personality)) try again, I'm ready to believe in you))

[Illyria]

At the expense of self-control, I agree. And at the expense of brains, you do not know the level of my knowledge, so please keep quiet about it. Besides, I didn’t say that I didn’t surrender. I passed, but the result myself was personally unsatisfied.

[Dimy4]

To school with a nickle boot
I will go to the task of the EGE
People say to
Pass the exam required
Pyatak in the boot .....
(C) "Murzilki"
This parody, in my opinion, very accurately reflects the essence of passing the exam.

[AlexMH]

A few words from the point of view of the university. I worked as a deputy for six years (until 2008). otv. secretary of the selection committee of the faculty in Baumank. I heard a lot of shouts about corruption, but I did not see corruption. Exam papers were encrypted, and examiners were officially paid good money. Of course, there was blat, try not to accept the applicant with the rector's resolution, but this is 5 percent of the total admission, and everyone was honest. There are few orphans and disabled children, these are usually people who are not fake (forgery of the certificate - article). There were also about a dozen and a half Olympiads for 400 places. Then I left there (tired of plowing all summer), now my graduate students work there, and then the Unified State Exam came. The first exam was ... sucked. The impression is that they typed the first ones on the street. Now they are on the 5th year, and we suffer with their remnants. And then it flooded. Illiterate people come with 280 points, and we have no right not to take. The Olympics have become a massive freebie (USE scores are not taken into account there). Recently, the so-called "target groups" have been thrown down in a crowd - this is a pull from the Ministry of Education and Science directly. But most importantly, there is no particular correlation between the USE score and the level of training. That is, someone somewhere, somehow someone was put on, and we have to take him and teach for six years! And then we are told "you have poor academic performance, you do not know how to work with students." And if he is, how to work with him? It's one thing when a person purposefully went to a university and wants to study there, but ran past with his USE scores, thinking "let me do it!" - and entered. By the way, about nonresident. In my opinion, they have nothing to do in Moscow in such quantities. The dormitory is not rubber, you cannot live on a scholarship, parents cannot feed, which means that they have been working from the first year and not studying. And they do not allow to expel, "five expelled students - minus one teacher's rate." And fake engineers come out, understandably, they don't go home, they don't work in their specialty, thank God, they settle down in Moscow in different offices to sell something. It comes to the ridiculous - people come to enter from Novosibirsk, St. Petersburg, Chelyabinsk. They have excellent universities, no, they want to go to Moscow, but they don't want to study. The efficiency of the learning process is lower than that of a steam locomotive. But the same is taught in medicine. The system is degrading. The state has no policy in the field of education, except for saving money and puffing out the cheeks. In the ministry, simple issues have not been resolved for years, everyone there runs like hens with severed heads and waits for someone to be removed. The mood of the teachers is appropriate. In short, the idea of ​​the Unified State Exam, as V.I. Lenin, "Correct in form, but in essence - a mockery."

[Apollo]

Information for reflection


Media: all exam papers of the exam are published on the American server

On the American anonymous file-sharing server, exam materials of the Unified State Exam in history, biology, computer science, mathematics, social studies and chemistry have been published. This was reported by the Uchitelskaya Gazeta.

According to the publication, the download addresses are given only to those who paid the organizers for early receipt of examination tasks. The cost of such a service is 3 thousand rubles.

"In the first archive - history, biology and computer science, in the second - mathematics, in the third - social science and chemistry. Inside the archives - folders with objects, for each subject, the tasks are grouped into four zones:" Far East "," Siberia "," Ural "and" Center ". Inside each of them, in turn, there are catalogs of assignments. It is from these catalogs, by mixing, that the Federal Testing Center forms individual examination papers for each student," the newspaper writes.

For the first time since the introduction of the unified state exam in 2001, all exam materials for all exams were declassified, the publication reports.

"Calling a spade a spade is a grandiose theft of examination materials from the entire country for further resale for profit," the authors of the publication report.

Recall that the first exam this year began with a scandal. The Internet got answers to tests in the Russian language, which today are about 750 thousand graduates of Russian schools. Dmitry Medvedev proposed to annul the results of the Unified State Examination of graduates who posted their answers to the Network.

http://www.ng.ru/news/433119.html

[firefox090]

All this is predictable. Teachers tighten their grades because of the premium part of the sn completely depends on the performance in their subject matter ....

[Obliterator]

Heh, I remember how 10-12 years ago, to us, then still schoolchildren, a mathematics teacher spoke like this: "Everything, comrades, the freebie is over - with the introduction of the USE system, damn your parents will help you get a place at the university. Now everything is on equal terms. will be. " Yeah, of course. I would give a lot to remind her of these words now and see the reaction. Although there is no need to predict, I would probably be indignant, as now almost all university professors do, who believe that the exam weaning off thinking.
He passed the exam only after college, so I had much less time to prepare than ordinary students. 2 months of classes with a pair of tutors and trainings on sample options - and the result is 70 points in each subject scored. What can you not pass there, I have no idea at all. I can’t judge for exact sciences, because I didn’t give them up, however, there is certainly nothing of such a super complicated.

[NUT]

Right, as always:

[Bort radist]

And look at what is happening on our roads! By logic of the majority, it is necessary to change traffic rules.

[Kahlan amnell]

Unified State Exam as a natural result of "pИforms "is a stone on the grave of education.

[NektoRU]

In my opinion, only by the results of personal communication between the examiner and the schoolchild (student) can one reveal the depth of knowledge of a particular subject last. Article 5 points!