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Exam: 12 years on the same rake

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“Do you remember how it all began ...” It is this line from the song “Time Machine” that should open today's discussion about the more than 11-year “triumphal” march of the unified state exam (USE) across the expanses of Russia. It all began with the words of government officials that now, they say, every Russian graduate of a secondary school will be able not only to demonstrate the fullness and depth of all the knowledge gained in individual subjects, but also to enroll in any state university of the country, if the number of points on a single state exam will meet the required (pass) minimum. Now, they say, university corrupt officials will not be able to rip off Russian applicants as sticky ...


And it also began with what we were told: they say, the project for introducing the Unified State Examination in Russia is just a project - no more, no less. The implementation of this project in the so-called pilot regions will begin, and if the preparation, organization, conduct, examination structure and quality of passing the EGE will not cause complaints from specialists, schoolchildren, parents of students and regulatory bodies, the project will spread throughout Russia as the only option final certification in a number of general educational disciplines.

Pilot regions really were. In 2001, Yakutia, Rostov and Samara regions, the Chuvash Republic and Mari El experienced all the “charm” of “egazation”. In the 2002, the USE "passed" already 16 regions of Russia. However, as many remember, from the very first days of the introduction of the Unified State Exam in the pilot regions, complaints on all the above points began to manifest themselves with a certain regularity. It all started with the test materials, and more simply, with specific tasks that were part of the USE options. Not only that at that time, even in the Ministry of Education, headed by Vladimir Filippov, who is today called the “father of the Unified State Exam in Russia”, could not really explain to whom it was the authorship of the questions on various academic disciplines, it was also not completely clear how the Ministry of Education takes into account complaints and suggestions about the oddities of the USE.

A weird enough (and continues to miss). First, excuse me, the “experimental” students after the “pilot” passing of the Unified State Examination faced the problem of missing out to universities of interest to them, even if they scored points on a solid top five. The administration of universities, in which such graduates applied for documents, often stated: we were not given any orders about accepting graduates according to the results of the USE, which means that you want to come to us - welcome to the entrance exams ...

Today we are told that the Ministry of Education and Science took into account the first “bloopers” when organizing the Unified State Exam, and therefore now all universities (well, with rare exceptions - conservatories and other creative ones) should accept school graduates only as a result of the Unified State Exam. However, if you take a closer look, this problem has not really disappeared anywhere. Often, heads of universities create artificial barriers for graduates of schools who have scored a sufficient number of points on the EGE for admission to these same universities for a specific purpose.

Says Alexander M. (university student, Saratov region).

Passed the exam in 2011 year. In addition to the obligatory Russian language and mathematics, I chose physics and computer science, which were needed for admission to one of the technical universities of St. Petersburg, which I had long dreamed of. In all subjects I scored such percentages that corresponded to the “excellent” assessment, which, naturally, was enough for entering the selected university (by law, it was enough). I applied for admission, but in the near future it turned out that I didn’t get it, since people with higher grades in the Unified State Examination began to appear on the list of applicants, as well as about four dozen disabled children and about three dozen winners of various competitions. I realized that I and other people like me, who wanted to act honestly, just decided to merge. My hands went down, my parents were upset too ... Literally the next morning, they called me from this university and said that I had high scores, but I don’t go up to them, but I’m going to another university, and if I have interest, I can meet and discuss everything.

Some hope flashed ... At the meeting, I was told that there is another option - to go to another university (they called me) for a paid department, and after the first year of study it will be possible to transfer here if there are deductions. At first I thought it was an option, but when my parents and I were told the cost of paid tuition ... Our family simply did not have that kind of money. As a result, he lost a lot of time, went back to his native city - Engels (Saratov region), barely had time to go to the local one. Now I say with confidence: all the words that the USE helped to defeat corruption in education are complete nonsense ... I have personal experience.


Scandals with “dead souls” - students, with the help of which university employees try to solve their financial problems, this is just one of the sides of how in modern conditions they have learned to bypass the need to take into account the results of the Unified State Exam upon admission. The scandal in one of the medical schools of the capital of last year is just one of the mass manifestations of a fraudulent scheme in education. But such schemes for the years of using the unified state examination in Russia managed to produce very, very much.

Shifters on the exam - another one of the options. Only in this case graduates are engaged in fraud. Since the overwhelming majority of graduates pass the exam not in their native schools, and in mixed groups, when monitored by “foreign” teachers, it is an option to send someone who has more chances to get the necessary points instead of themselves. Comparing a photo on a passport will be far from everywhere, which is why on the places of graduates in classes during the passing of the Unified State Exam there appear people who act as their “doubles” for a certain reward. The scandal with students of MIPT, who in 2011, passed exams for schoolchildren, is a vivid example of how this system works. But the discovered fraud is only the tip of the iceberg. Five were caught by the hand, and how many were not caught? .. One can only guess ...

The ideologists of the Unified State Exam say that a single state examination allows for a front-end test of the quality of students' knowledge, and the exam is designed in such a way that it is impossible to use outside help on it. And he and the other thesis does not hold water.

Well, what kind of frontal knowledge, for example, in physics or stories can check the exam. The ability to determine the formula for solving a specific task, on which the student has been trained all lately, absolutely cannot show his real knowledge of physical discipline. His ability (or inability) to reason logically, to think outside the box, to apply this knowledge in practice. Such a student cannot demonstrate how skillfully he uses physical equipment for practical purposes, how much he is generally ready to do something with his own hands, and not to describe on paper how he would have done with instruments and materials. After all, there are students who can assemble a complex electrical circuit without a single mistake, carry out all the necessary measurements in it, but cannot clearly articulate their thoughts about how they did it. Well, not all graduates who are strong in physics or mathematics, we have Cicero and writers from nature ... Based on the realities of the USE, their assessment is not ... Is this fair? A rhetorical question ...

And if the student was able to correctly indicate the dates of famous historical events, does this mean that he is well acquainted with the history. In the end, you can poke your finger into the sky and guess the correct answer ... Probability theory does not negate this. The teacher is not able to assess how ready such a graduate is to argue his position, rely on historical facts, compare and do information analysis. The destiny of the student - to scratch something on a special sheet. Scribbled with bad handwriting - also not good, because the technique may not be understood, not disassembled - go prove that you chose the correct letter or entered the right word ... The teacher’s part was to keep his fists, and wait for his ward to get out alive and unharmed from the paws of "Moloch" EGE, and even with the desired result.

Criticism of the Unified State Exam for the 12-year history of its use in Russia has become truly massive. Such an approach to final certification is dissatisfied with the schoolchildren themselves, who, during the last couple of school years, stop learning, and begin to “train” exclusively on the USE, and the teachers, parents of schoolchildren, members of the scientific intelligentsia, and the public. These are tens of millions of people who have been trying to convey to the authorities lately that the Unified State Exam is a vehicle for the implementation of a project called “stupor of the nation”. Perhaps, any Soviet troechnik, will give odds to the modern high achiever who wrote the Unified State Examination on "five" ... And this despite the fact that liberal elites call Soviet education one-sided and subject to pressure of totalitarian ideas ... Today, it seems, it is not subject to - so what? We have around one Lomonosov, Bulgakov, Tupolev or Landau? .. It seems to be no. Other priorities are now showing us: Sveta from Ivanov, “The drug addict Pavlik”, the “heroes” of “House-2”, the deputy Ponomarev reading “innovative” lectures on astronomical prices ...

By the way, it’s not a fact that the same Mikhail Vasilievich would have entered a modern university, because with the results of the USE he would have obvious problems. Not a fact that today would be the first space explorer, Yuri Gagarin, whose father was a carpenter, and his mother - a worker on a farm. Most likely, in our time, Gagarin, when entering a university, would have been circumvented by “beneficiaries”, whose parents would have a higher status and a much larger number of bills in their pockets ...

But if tens of millions of Russians already literally shout that the USE is a substitute for the real assessment of students' knowledge, that this system has absorbed all the negative that western countries refuse, then why does the “triumphant” march of the USE continue? Few old scandals? So there are new: the publication of tests in social networks, the growing number of firms that provide services to solve the tasks of the Unified State Exam and even the issuance of "fake" evidence of a single state examination. Who needs something that is not supported by the overwhelming majority of the Russian people? Or is it a kind of "care" against the will ... You can't be so sweet ...

One gets the impression that our educational system is deliberately put on the same rake, and then they watch what grimace of pain after another blow it makes ... If this is a pleasure for someone, then this is, frankly, an unhealthy interest. Maybe it’s time to stop this crazy experiment on Russian education, which was too long and managed to acquire a whole host of manifestations of corruption, fraud, lowering the level of quality of knowledge, total fear of the USE. After all, it comes to the fact that today's teachers are afraid of schoolchildren with a single state exam: they say, if you don’t give up, you will disgrace yourself and you will dishonor me. Such psychological pressure a priori pushes the graduate into a stressful situation in which he spent the entire last year of his school years.

PS On Tuesday, several high-ranking officials of the Ministry of Education and Science became aware of the resignation. Among them is Deputy Minister Igor Fedyukin. It is reported that the reasons for resignation - is the identification of large-scale frauds in the process of assigning scientific degrees (1323 "fake" doctoral degrees only for 2012 year). They seem to have taken up the "fake" candidates and doctors, as well as the officials who raised the "lime tree" ... Maybe it will be the same as the USE, because its minuses overlap the positive plans that have been connected with this implementation a hundredfold. And if the minuses multiplied 12 years, it is foolish to hope that the situation with the exam will continue to be better.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 May 2013 08: 00 New
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    See what is happening with the exam this year after the FIRST exam?
    Mass Internet access after putting in the Far East with answer options.
    Who does IT NEED for this exam, except for the Ministry of Education, with a very strange headed minister?
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 29 May 2013 08: 23 New
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      Yes, not in writing off all the disadvantage and harm of the exam, but in sharpening the school curriculum for testing those. the flexibility of thinking and the vastness of knowledge are lost.
      They wrote off at classical school exams not at times, but by an order of magnitude more ... so not for that.

      Or did someone present here not use spurs and parachutes in exams? woe-truth-tellers .. Or maybe someone in your class was not helped by teachers in exams, in schools of the USSR? At all times, window dress flourished in the USSR and teachers fought for high scores on exams, including by pulling grades.
      This is called hypocrisy, gentlemen. hi
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 29 May 2013 08: 33 New
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        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        Yes, not in writing off all the disadvantage and harm of the exam, but in sharpening the school curriculum for testing i.e. the flexibility of thinking and the vastness of knowledge are lost.

        I completely agree. The answer is five points! good
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 29 May 2013 09: 18 New
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          I am glad that there are people who are able to realize true harm to the exam. For the most part, the same picture is observed every year, as every year the gray mass of society, during the passing of the Unified State Examination, begins to scream at the top of its mouth and scream with cliche phrases like a herd and this cry "BEEEEEEEE!" it has nothing to do with the essence of the harm caused by the USE to our society ... But we must yell.
          This site is no exception.
          I repeat, the harm of the exam in the destruction of knowledge or their replacement with false or unnecessary.
          For example, the question, “How many diopters in the glasses of Pierre Bezukhov?” Does not at all characterize the knowledge of the War and the world, and indeed who is this very Pierre. And the training for passing the USE does not force students to know and understand the events taking place .. It’s enough to train such questions for knowledge ..
          And what's the difference, the student wrote off the exam or not, if all 11 years he did not receive an education, but was trained for a test?
          1. Rustiger
            Rustiger 29 May 2013 11: 18 New
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            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            I am glad that there are people who are able to realize the true harm of the exam. . . the harm of the exam in the destruction Knowledge or replacing them with false or unnecessary ones.

            Here from here and all misunderstanding of a question.
            ALL:
            KILL YOURSELF IN THE BRAIN !!!
            USE is not EDUCATION SYSTEM, THIS SYSTEM (attempt) TESTING

            I will give an example as an athlete in the past and / and coach in the present. I remember how recently everyone here praised the TRP. That exam with something akin to this! And measures to achieve good results, everyone has the right to choose CAM.
            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            And what's the difference, the student wrote off the exam or not, if all 11 years he did not receive an education, but was trained for a test?
            .
            Who prevented him from "forming" ???
            Teachers constantly taking his textbook from him and popping a mobile phone into a hapalka? The headmaster, not letting him into the library, but sitting him in front of the comp. igruha? "Red Lebanon", buying the whole shkolota pivasik? Or maybe parents who do not want their children to grow up "like themselves in the USSR"? Well, who is that bastard that everyone "knows" about, but no one saw him. . .
            1. DrekerexeN
              DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 11: 29 New
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              Well, at least one normal person.
            2. SPACE
              SPACE 29 May 2013 20: 31 New
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              Quote: Rustiger
              EVERYONE: "KILL YOURSELF IN THE BRAIN" !!! USE is not an EDUCATION SYSTEM

              Earlier, in an article by M. Zadornov, “Help the minoblast,” he pointed to exactly the same thing. The exam is not a learning process! USE is a process of assessing knowledge! These are completely different concepts and judging by the hysteria around the USE, it says that most critics of the USE do not understand this, but massively wind each other. I would also add that if education is the RIGHT of every person, then there should not be any serious restrictions or barriers, any entrance exams or tests, this should be a simple formality. The exam is testing residual knowledge from the previous learning process, it is only necessary as a barrier for the ignorant and for the separation and distribution of applicants, by complexity, to universities. EVERYTHING! The USE does not include any tasks in itself and does not contribute to either development or the acquisition of knowledge, although it can only be done as in the form of cramming before surrender. And to fight with the exam is to fight with windmills. But where it is really necessary to fight is for improving the quality of the educational process. Someone cited an example: “Sorbona”, “anyone” who knows French without exams can go there, but flying out of absenteeism or poor progress is even easier than doing.
              Z.Y. Yes, there are problems in the USE, but problems should not lead to harsh criticism and cancellation, but should lead to an improvement in the testing process itself.
              ZZZ Personally, my opinion is in the refusal, in general, of any entrance exam or exam, in favor of the unified state graduation exams, it is such an exam that should automatically enable further training.
              1. Rustiger
                Rustiger 30 May 2013 00: 42 New
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                That's what I'm talking about!
                Quote: SPACE
                The exam is testing residual knowledge from the previous learning process, it is only necessary as a barrier for the ignorant and for the separation and distribution of applicants, by complexity, to universities. ALL! The USE does not include any more tasks and does not contribute to either development or the acquisition of knowledge,

                This is “I’ll take it into service” (with your permission).
                I agree with the rest unconditionally! Except the last paragraph. With him, everything is so simple. recourse
        2. Barracuda148
          Barracuda148 29 May 2013 17: 26 New
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          I agree completely
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 29 May 2013 09: 26 New
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        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        Or someone here didn’t use spurs

        I did not use! Like almost everything in our class. Although the teachers even said: “Write cheat sheets. 1. Finally, work through the material, 2. If you could fit the most important thing on a small piece of paper, you’ve already learned something”
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        maybe someone in your class was not helped by teachers in exams, in schools of the USSR? At all times, window dress flourished in the USSR and teachers fought for high scores on exams, including by pulling grades.

        And I do not agree with this! As a teacher herself, she also helped at the university and at school in exams. And not at all because a high rate was needed, but because the teacher KNOWS the student. It happens that the cadet stalled on the translation, gets nervous, cannot move on, and tell him this unfortunate word or phrase - and it went perfectly further. At school - a weak student, made 22 mistakes in written works. But he persistently taught these rules, trained, began to make 7-8 mistakes. There is progress! But according to the rules, that in the first, in the second case, you need to put "2". But he WORKED !!! I will definitely draw it out !!! But I will not help the idler or the impudent person for anything.
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 29 May 2013 09: 32 New
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          Quote: Egoza
          I did not use! Like almost everything in our class. Although the teachers even said: "Write cheat sheets.

          What exactly are you andNEARLY"everyone in your class did not use junkies and did not write off, even though teachers ALLOWED, from your own words, does not yet refute my words, on the contrary, confirms my innocence.
          Quote: Egoza
          not at all because a high rate was needed, but because the teacher KNOWS the student. It happens that the cadet stalled on the translation, nervous

          those. Is it not that help that is not acceptable on the exam by the teacher, but other help that is acceptable on the part of the teacher?
          Funny double standards. And you still say something about the amers with the gay people? not ashamed?
          Or maybe now teachers do not know what children are capable of and they cannot be helped by students? But you can’t! And for such help they will dismiss without trial and investigation and no one will look at the "potential" of the child and he doesn’t care whether he is worthy of a higher rating or unworthy.
          For double standards and hypocrisy, for "almost" and so on - you have a fat minus
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 29 May 2013 09: 46 New
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            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            even though the teachers RESOLVED,

            Where did I write that I was ALLOWED to use? They said "write", but do not use.
            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            Funny double standards. And you still say something about the amers with the gay people? not ashamed?

            Not ashamed! It’s one thing when you help simply because you understand the psychological state of the exam, or because you understand that it’s impossible to kill faith in the child that he worked for nothing, tried, and his work was noticed and appreciated! And you do it ACROSSLY!
            Currently, teachers spit on this, not all, but many. And most have a purely "commercial interest." It’s criminal to take bribes for the exam.
            1. Refund_SSSR
              Refund_SSSR 29 May 2013 09: 54 New
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              Quote: Egoza
              They said "write", but do not use.

              Let's not, huh? and didn’t leave the class for 15 minutes during the exams completely "by accident"? Well, don't be hypocritical!
              Quote: Egoza
              And you do it ACROSSLY!

              And the competent authorities do not care if the teacher helped for a fee or not, the point will be fired. And the fact of help does not cancel. So do not distort!
              This is another attempt to justify the violation - nothing more than the reapplication of double standards.
              So let's talk about facts, not motives, are we adults? (I hope).
              Quote: Egoza
              IMMEDIATELY!

              Maybe you don’t know how much a gold medal cost in schools in the USSR ?! laughing "gratis" .. well, well .. corrupt at all times enough.
              _________
              Most modern large companies with a high level of RFP are now practicing SHL testing.
              This test does not contain any complex tasks and is carried out in two stages: “Speech” and “Mathematical”, and so, by and large, this test shows the ability to concentrate and think in stressful situations with a limited time. And this is the right test. Because slow-wits are not needed.
              This is a word about "confused ignoramuses."
              If a person has knowledge, then he is able to apply it, and if he does not have or doubts, then he does not deserve high marks and this is my opinion as the chief engineer of one of the Russian research institutes.
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              2. Egoza
                Egoza 29 May 2013 11: 57 New
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                Quote: We refund_SSSR
                Let's not, huh? and didn’t leave the class for 15 minutes during the exams completely "by accident"? Well, don't be hypocritical!

                Perhaps you are out of luck with the teachers. I was lucky. There was nothing you write about. But out of 32 graduates of our class, 28 received higher education. And they passed all the university exams without any paws. And to this day, in the evenings of meetings (and we meet every year), we still remember how our teachers treated our psyche, how we tried to find the key for everyone, and how we clearly understood: “If you want a higher mark, work hard. Yours work will be noticed. " they could have put five to the “double” for the essay, which he really wrote (although there were errors in it).
                By the way - to this day I do not know how much a gold medal costs (cost).
                1. bezumnyiPIT
                  bezumnyiPIT 29 May 2013 12: 58 New
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                  Grammar school, or school with a bias?
                  1. Egoza
                    Egoza 29 May 2013 16: 30 New
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                    Quote: bezumnyiPIT
                    Grammar school, or school with a bias?

                    If this is a question for me, then - the usual secondary school number 48 (Kiev). Release - 1969. Then there were no gymnasiums.
              3. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 29 May 2013 12: 11 New
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                Quote: We refund_SSSR
                and didn’t leave the class for 15 minutes during the exams completely "by accident"? Well, don't be hypocritical!

                So what? A concrete example is when I was studying at the institute with one of the teachers, not just allowing, but directly demanding to use any textbooks on the exam. Bottom line: the first time this exam passed less than 2/3 of the group. Conclusion: only the traditional exam is able to show the student’s knowledge level, the USE, in the form in which it exists now, does not imply an assessment of the building knowledge.
                1. lewerlin53rus
                  lewerlin53rus 29 May 2013 13: 21 New
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                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  one of the teachers, not only allowed, but directly demanded to use any textbooks on the exam.

                  Correctly stupid cramming never benefited. It is impossible to remember such volumes of information. But the ability to search for information, analyze it and choose the most important and necessary is much more important than blunt cramming.
              4. Lapotnik
                Lapotnik 29 May 2013 12: 12 New
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                Stop trolling. The fact that you were worth something there is with YOU. I am from the family of teachers, excellent teachers, and what you write is the destiny of illiterate hypocrites, replacing generally accepted educational standards, assistance with mythological mistakes about THAT time, akin to "Brezhnev" sausage and other things. Once again I repeat if YOU or any of YOUR acquaintances had to buy something, write off everything and everything, then this is only YOUR subjective view that has nothing to do with realities.
              5. alicante11
                alicante11 29 May 2013 14: 17 New
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                Are you talking about the end of 80's, then everything was already sold and bought
              6. Khokhol-MSC
                Khokhol-MSC 29 May 2013 22: 14 New
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                Bad of you engineer, if you think that slow-witted people are not needed.
                I am slow-witted. I think for a long time, I make a decision by analyzing a bunch of facts and immediately I can never answer correctly.
                Stressful situations in exams were often stupid. But, the trigger was enough to release the “avalanche of knowledge”.

                The result was the entry to the KGRI, the head of the group, 14 honors because of my corrosiveness and the fact that "drowned" those who did not want to study. One of my honors.

                Further training, his own company, and today a successful and respected IT analyst.

                This is my opinion, as one of the gurus of domestic IT, and, in addition, confirmation of your incompetence in your post.
          2. cumastra1
            cumastra1 29 May 2013 16: 00 New
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            I also never used spurs, although our teachers (not all) were creative - they forced us to write spurs, and whoever turned out to be the most concise, was allowed to use them. But they asked with such rigor, as a result, few dared to answer on spurs. But I think it was useful. The student read the material, highlighted the main thing, creatively reworked.
          3. urganov
            urganov 29 May 2013 17: 51 New
            +1
            Less to you for juggling the essence and attempting demagogy. And still trying to argue with the teacher ...
        2. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 29 May 2013 09: 35 New
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          Quote: Egoza
          But I will not help the idler or the impudent person for anything.

          It’s familiar. I worked for 4 years in a stake with a Trudovik, until the 98g crisis struck. And my daughter was born, I had to look for a more satisfying job. There were conflicts with the head teacher due to the fact that he "spoiled" the good guys with a triple of "unprincipled" works. And then they got used to that, according to their work, physical education and singing, they almost automatically set the fours and became impudent in moderation.
        3. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 29 May 2013 09: 45 New
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          The fact is that any scaffold on the classic (by ticket) exam can be pulled out to the top three, and such are always found. On the exam, he himself must work.
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            Khokhol-MSC 29 May 2013 22: 24 New
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            You know, here I just came across tickets for the exam. For some questions related to my profile, I, despite the fact that this is my job and I have been working for more than 11 years, thoughtfully and for a long time tried to find an answer trying to understand what THESE HERE want from me. When I understood, I cursed them with the last words for the curvature of the language: the simplest question was perverted so that you understand what you wanted.
      3. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 29 May 2013 09: 41 New
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        Today, nobody cares, how can you reason, what is your speech culture, the main thing is to learn typical tasks
        1. igor36
          igor36 29 May 2013 10: 10 New
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          Did you understand what you wrote? If you get over 30000 (thirty thousand) !!! tasks ehe in all subjects will automatically put.
        2. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 29 May 2013 15: 22 New
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          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          the main thing is to learn typical tasks

          And it turns out typical people. But what about individuality? personality?
      4. fox1993
        fox1993 29 May 2013 10: 16 New
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        And the exam - this is not a "window dress" is it? To whom are we showing off and to whom and what do we want to prove? West or what? So, they did not recognize the diplomas of 99 percent of our universities, they do not recognize and are not going to, because this is politics. In our country, corruption at universities has not decreased on admission, but rather the opposite. Under various pretexts, school graduates are illegally “flown” with their USE results. And children in schools from grades 9 to 11, in fact, do not teach specific subjects, but are “trained” as a little dog to correctly answer the questions of these “exams”. I see it from my daughter. Children are not striving to develop a creative approach to gaining knowledge, improving it, they are not interested in obtaining it as the basis of their future prosperous life, but they are only scared — you will not pass the Unified State Examination - “your future will collapse”, you will go to hard workers, dig land.
      5. Tatar
        Tatar 29 May 2013 13: 31 New
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        everything is correct, we already count 2 + 2 on the calculator. most of the time, today's youth and children spend in the social. networks and plays computer games (here’s the “development” of sports), a simple student is no longer interested in kicking a ball on the street, it’s better to poke buttons. and the Unified State Exam in Russia and the UNT in Kazakhstan, what can these tests show to who is lucky ?! let him try to answer questions without having an answer. then statistics will show that current graduates are mostly at the level of the fifth grader of the USSR.
      6. Vladimir 23rus
        Vladimir 23rus 31 May 2013 13: 54 New
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        Or did someone present here not use spurs and parachutes in exams? woe-truth-tellers .. Or maybe someone in your class was not helped by teachers in exams, in schools of the USSR? At all times, window dress flourished in the USSR and teachers fought for high scores on exams, including by pulling grades.


        Isn't that right now?
    2. kris
      kris 29 May 2013 08: 45 New
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      The Unified State Exam is one of the tools for dividing society. The current rulers do not need thinking people. They need rams that are easy to manage.
      And the corruption component is obvious. The best results in the Russian language in kalkaz, where many speak Russian with difficulty.

      PS Lord Putiners, your idol again knows nothing about this mess? And it is strange that with his arrival they introduced the exam.
      1. Suhov
        Suhov 29 May 2013 08: 55 New
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        Quote: kris
        The Unified State Exam is one of the tools for the dibilization of society.

        There is no silver lining:
        The time has come for exams.
        Young people reached out to church.
        laughing
      2. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 29 May 2013 09: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: kris
        USE is one of the tools for fucked up societies. The current rulers do not need thinking people. They need sheep that are easy to manage.
        And the corruption component is obvious. The best Russian language results in kalkasewhere many say in Russian with difficulties.

        PS Lord Putiners, your idol again knows nothing about this mess? And it is strange that with his arrival they introduced the exam.

        NO COMMENTS
      3. JonnyT
        JonnyT 29 May 2013 10: 14 New
        +8
        Yes, yes, yes, if under the Soviet system of education it was possible to communicate normally with a double and triple, often highly qualified specialists grew up from them, then today's stupid people, and USE students, people with pattern targeting ......
        My employer has big problems with the selection of young personnel, those who have gone the last time nifig can’t, it’s easier to hire a vocational school teacher with good basic knowledge and train him yourself than to contact a graduate of the modern educational system!
      4. DrekerexeN
        DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 11: 33 New
        +1
        I see one of the sheep ... Corruption has been everywhere and always. And the exam has one very significant plus. ONCE wrote, sent to three different universities. And by mail. And you wait. How was it? Do not pass - go for a walk. You’ll try again in a year.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 29 May 2013 12: 01 New
          +6
          Quote: DrekerexeN
          ONCE wrote, sent to three different universities.

          Do universities have a similar profile? for example, they manage to send us to one university - for an engineer, in the second - for an economist, in the third - for a lawyer ...
          Aby get somewhere!
          1. DrekerexeN
            DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 19: 51 New
            0
            Yes. Even the specialties were similar.
    3. Vasya Ivanov
      Vasya Ivanov 29 May 2013 08: 58 New
      +3
      Who does IT NEED for this exam, except for the Ministry of Education, with a very strange headed minister?
      I agree, the minister is strange, but where are they grown? in USA. The priority of the State Department is to establish control (development assistance) over education in the occupied territories.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 May 2013 09: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Vasya Ivanov
        The strange minister agrees, but where are they grown?

        In the glorious city of St. Petersburg hi
        1. Vasya Ivanov
          Vasya Ivanov 29 May 2013 09: 30 New
          +7
          He worked for a while abroad. There is a suspicion that he healer.
          1. DeerIvanovich
            DeerIvanovich 29 May 2013 13: 52 New
            +3
            I will tell you a terrible secret they (the government) almost without exception laughing
      2. DrekerexeN
        DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 12: 00 New
        0
        I need my classmates. Those who studied and want to do.
    4. Rediska
      Rediska 29 May 2013 16: 58 New
      +2
      Well, these answers came out :) Do you think they were correct? Noohett ... :) All of Russia is divided into four regions, each with its own options) In that they didn’t put the right one) 20% didn’t coincide) I handed over the Russian on Monday I know ... and cheat sheets? Two and a half hours are given for the exam ... do you think there is time to use them? Not a, no) You write right in the butt practically)
    5. beech
      beech 29 May 2013 20: 25 New
      0
      as a graduate I’ll say this: on the one hand, it’s good, you can score points well on the tests) on the other hand, it’s bad, because it’s not known what is being prepared for ... here’s tomorrow’s history exam and I don’t know which ruler to teach !!! I made a damn bunch of cheat sheets, because without them you can’t do anything. And finally, the last, my personal opinion, is that in a few years it will turn into a regular exam. Every year, it’s more and more difficult, soon all English will be required to be passed ...
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 29 May 2013 21: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      See what is happening with the exam this year after the FIRST exam? Mass Internet access after passing in the Far East with answer options.

      In a country where everything is sold and everything is bought, what do you want?
      After all, the main value is $!
      In our school a couple of years ago, they brought sealed bags in the evening for the exam.
      The director put them in a safe, and in the morning they were all opened.
      Paradox!?
  2. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 29 May 2013 08: 10 New
    11
    Still excellent results on the exam in the Caucasus region. With such results, direct to MGIMO.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 May 2013 08: 18 New
      +8
      Quote: Oberst_71
      Still excellent results on the exam in the Caucasus region.

      Remember yourself, how you passed the exams in schools. Everyone pulled. To improve grades for the report. Now the same thing. But it is also aggravated by salaries. If there are poor results in the classroom or the school as a whole, then the school remains without a prize, and the class teacher receives a meager, instead of a salary. They left no choice for teachers to take or not to take bribes, all the more so parents bear a lot, if only the child passed successfully passed the exam. All that shows on TV is impossible phones, etc. Yes, all this bullshit, in some schools where there is no TV, students openly use everything that is possible. Well, except that there are no laptops. And parents or teachers are sitting in the cars with laptops, and through the help of waifai, they prompt their pupils and children.
      EGE IS A DISEASE OF OUR EDUCATION !!!
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 29 May 2013 10: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Remember yourself, how you passed the exams in schools. Everyone pulled. To improve grades for the report

        Well, with this, Sasha, I agree, perhaps. With the rest in no case. For each sentence. I say this as the husband of a teacher who knows the situation, i.e. "from the inside", I hear talk "about school" almost every day for exactly these 12 years, incl. about the exam and salaries, I have three friends and teachers with whom not one kilogram of meat was devoured and not one liter of alcohol was consumed.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If there are poor results in the classroom or the school as a whole, the school remains without a bonus, and the class teacher receives a minuscule instead of a salary.

        A relic of the past. The school receives subsidies for the number of students, regardless of academic performance. Teachers were “tied to the BALL system of accrual” of salaries, it almost does not depend on grades, especially on the exam. And it depends on participation in competitions, student victories, publication of articles on special. forums, workloads and something else. My wife has been offered to go to the head teacher for the third year in a row, she’s in no way. Lose in salary, and will pile up a bunch of bunts. . .
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .Leave no choice for teachers whether to take or not to take bribes, all the more so parents bear a lot, if only the child passed the exam successfully.

        Who should bear if rotation of inspectors and
        controllers. If neither a schoolboy, nor parents, nor teachers know before the start of the USE where they will be building, who will control, and in which school. Last year’s case. In the city, in one school, after the foul - PS (point of delivery) / school a fine of 50000 tons, and two teachers only suspected of "help" for 10000 tons. And this is "for the first time." . .
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        All that shows on TV is impossible phones, etc.

        Technically, "extinguishing" all the "attempts of cunning bugs" are technically simple and financially minimal. But it turned out like with cameras in the elections. When the "web" in the nearest store costs 250-350 rubles. and for papers for 1500 rubles .. Yes, and after the election they were removed from the walls. And where did they do it. . .
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 May 2013 12: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Rustiger
          A relic of the past. The school receives subsidies for the number of students

          Well, it means that it depends on the region. We also have teachers living nearby and schools are very different. They don’t decide how much they donate, but the sponsors of schools. Now look at the schools where ROSNEFT is a sponsor and compare where the sponsors are Chpshniki. The difference is obvious.
          Quote: Rustiger
          . If neither a schoolboy, nor parents, nor teachers know where they will be building before the Unified State Examination,

          In another week, all the fuss started and it was announced where they would hand over request
          Quote: Rustiger
          and to two teachers only suspected of "help" for 10000 tons each. And this is "for the first time"

          Say bribe amount wink
          Quote: Rustiger
          And they were removed from the walls after the election. And where did they do it. . .

          I did not take winked
  3. Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 29 May 2013 08: 13 New
    +2
    The Unified State Examination, of course, has both positive and negative aspects, I have no doubt about it, but as always, it was entrusted to the fools and treasuries, in the end we have what we have not brought to mind!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 29 May 2013 08: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: Sibiryak
      The exam, of course, has both positive and negative aspects, I have no doubt about it,

      As I don’t look, I didn’t see a single positive side. A tool for debilitating youth, nothing more.
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 29 May 2013 08: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Garrin
        As I don’t look, I didn’t see a single positive side. A tool for debilitating youth, nothing more.

        You need to look carefully, the positive side is no matter how trite it sounds, every Russian graduate of a comprehensive school gets the opportunity to enter any state university in the country. And the fact that the leadership of these educational institutions and some others put all kinds of obstacles, then the appropriate authorities must deal with such things, and we have it all left to chance!
      2. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 29 May 2013 09: 50 New
        +1
        There are positive aspects, but they are nullified by the mistakes and mistakes of the Ministry of Education and Science
        1. DrekerexeN
          DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 11: 35 New
          0
          Not all and not always.
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 29 May 2013 08: 21 New
    +9
    I didn’t even read the article. I have an unambiguous attitude to the exam: Mr. There is nothing better than a system: an exam teacher. A ticket, an answer, and then a conversation on add. issues. And that’s it! I mean, everything is clear. The mouse will not slip, and even the daybill - even more so. If everything is done right.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 29 May 2013 10: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: retired
      If everything is done right.

      Here is the keyword. You yourself study and take exams yourself! and the mouse will not slip fellow . I can tell how a girl medalist wrote an application for admission without exams (GOLD MEDAL) and made 5 mistakes in three sentences. To this, or what to return? Or when in a separate class future medalists write an essay separately from everyone under the strict guidance of the most honest teachers ......... About Pierre and Natasha, the number of steps, diopters already got. Please photo of these stupid questions from the tasks (trial CMMs are handed out) imagine? I can only imagine how much money the universities lost. Having lost the right to take exams on their own. Many graduates (who study from year to year, rather than hanging out at night clubs) are satisfied with this system. They came from Siberia to Moscow State University, but before that money would not be enough. The system is certainly not perfect. They promise to return the traditional form to the choice, but, as I understand it, there will be video registration of oral answers. And for those who are not in the know of tasks A, B, C.
      And the tests are a question - choose the answer from the ready ones; correctly counted by 3.
      In - reflections, judgments on a certain topic. C is a mini composition. And then many think that the exam is one stupid question.
      1. DrekerexeN
        DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 11: 38 New
        +1
        The second adequate person in this thread. And then everything is usually "I did not give up, but I condemn!" And who degrades after that? Who studied - he passed. Those who have not studied are aching, scribbling complaints and so on.
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 29 May 2013 11: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: DrekerexeN
          The second adequate person in this thread

          Total 3! Will it be about five percent? Of course not much, but still better than nothing at all. Hopefully they will "fit." . . yes
          1. DrekerexeN
            DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 12: 30 New
            +2
            Below there is still a couple) I just read 5-6)
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 29 May 2013 11: 54 New
        +1
        About 5 errors. Not a record. One actor on stage in the word "I" 3 did - said "Mge." This is so - not the topic, by the way. Those. You want to say that corruption in higher education has reached such proportions that it completely (or almost) excluded the entry of talented, but (alas) poor people with money? And the exam is a blow to the hands of corrupt officials? Well, good: hit on the hands. Why on the head? And as for corruption - I do not know ... What period are you considering? And which region? And future medalists in my class were sitting next to us. 1-2 to school. Not more.
        1. DrekerexeN
          DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 12: 00 New
          +3
          Often these "talented" basic knowledge is missing. “It’s nothing that Vassenka doesn’t know the multiplication table, but how he thinks creatively” laughter alone ...
        2. Bort radist
          Bort radist 29 May 2013 13: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: retired
          And future medalists in my class were sitting next to us. 1-2 to school. Not more.

          You just don’t know (I don’t want to offend in absentia), but then many of them sat separately and copied compositions, control, ..... Not only their parents are interested in medalists. I will not argue, in education 30 years sad . I repeat the exams should pass on a choice, in tradition and the exam. So it will be in three years. But the tradition is with video registration and not on the forms of the educational institution, printing and a piece of paper in the box.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 29 May 2013 14: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Bort Radist
            exams must be taken at choice, in tradition and the exam. So it will be in three years. But the tradition is with video registration and not on the forms of the educational institution, printing and a piece of paper in the box.

            Not all of this is human ...
  5. 007jamesbond
    007jamesbond 29 May 2013 08: 24 New
    +6
    Well written, the topic is fully disclosed. The score is 5 points :) But seriously, I completely agree, the country needs working hands, smart heads not on a sheet and exclusively in language, but in the head and hands. That’s why there are so many managers, not engineers, teachers, because it’s one thing to “comb” the language around and around, and it’s completely different to show your skills and practice. As soon as this issue is resolved, both science, education, and domestic aircraft manufacturing and engineering will appear on the world market. Moreover, the union still remembers us and there is something to cling to, Cuba, Venezuela are buying our equipment, Syria is reaching for help, the Afghan majahideen remember honest and decent Soviet troops .... It all depends on ourselves and everyone in particular.
  6. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 29 May 2013 08: 25 New
    11
    Article +1000000
    But I would like to add that, the Unified State Examination is just a crown on a pile of fragments of the best Soviet Education in the world.
    That - who, how and with what children are taught now is just a scribe!
    Until the system of education of the USSR is returned, naturally, taking into account modern realities and technical possibilities, our country will DEGRAD!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 29 May 2013 08: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: Pharao7766
      But I would like to add that, the Unified State Examination is just a crown on a pile of fragments of the best Soviet Education in the world.

      In this phrase, I would replace the word "crown" with "a bunch of g.na", and so - that's right.
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 29 May 2013 09: 07 New
      +7
      Totally agree with you! I talked recently with a young history teacher, this is a complete loser - HE DOES NOT KNOW YOUR SUBJECT!
      An urgent need to restore the education system of the USSR!
      Livanov to the dustbin of history!
      1. DrekerexeN
        DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 11: 39 New
        -4
        Yeah, and the history of the party will be taught?) The mess is not in closets, the mess in the heads)
  7. 77bor1973
    77bor1973 29 May 2013 08: 25 New
    +4
    And according to the results of the unified state examination, everyone will join the army, and according to the results of the KMB, it’s up to who to serve and who to serve next! “Don’t cry, boy,” the soldiers don’t cry!
    1. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 29 May 2013 13: 18 New
      0
      where does the KMB?
  8. Prometheus
    Prometheus 29 May 2013 08: 30 New
    +6
    Yesterday I passed the GIA in mathematics. Not an exam, but almost the same thing. Everyone except 15 people had the answers, probably ... Why is it necessary if the enterprise then reveals the unavailability of the person who wrote off the exam? But this can be opened in the accident, at the cost of victims.
    1. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 29 May 2013 09: 52 New
      +2
      Well, did you cheat? If not, praise and honor! If yes, draw conclusions
      1. Prometheus
        Prometheus 29 May 2013 10: 42 New
        +1
        I didn’t cheat.
  9. Ishtan
    Ishtan 29 May 2013 08: 38 New
    +5
    Examination - this is complete ...
    I passed it myself in 2012. Do not pass it - it must be complete ..... Yes, and the tasks themselves do not cause any difficulties.
    But creative thinking is killed on the spot. Fortunately, I had wonderful teachers, their honor and praise. And the USE level does not correspond to what they want in universities (FENU, for example)
  10. fartfraer
    fartfraer 29 May 2013 08: 42 New
    10
    I passed the exam on admission to the university 9 years after I graduated from school. I prepared a week in three subjects (Russian, history, social studies) and acted quite calmly. )
    I'm far from a genius, and therefore the conclusion was made only by one USE full
  11. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 29 May 2013 08: 50 New
    +6
    Today I release two daughters. One of 11, the other of 9 classes. The elder on Monday had a test in the Russian language, a scandal. Yesterday, the youngest, in mathematics, also got answers on the Internet. someone managed to download, someone not. it's only the beginning.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 29 May 2013 09: 46 New
      +2
      it's only the beginning.

      That’s all under the article in the Criminal Code. That being said, the stage of debugging the system.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 29 May 2013 13: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: leon-iv
        That being said, the stage of debugging the system.

        how much can you debug? There was a normal education system. Recognized as the best in the world. It was enough to adjust it a little depending on the realities. And they undertook to reform it. As a result, over all these years, the “reforms” have broken one system, and they cannot debug the second, obviously worse. But how can you debug a system if it alone cannot work as such?
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 29 May 2013 13: 37 New
          0
          how much can you debug?

          well, about 5 years
          There was a normal education system.

          But there was a disgusting familiarity control system of knowledge.
          As a result, over all these years, the “reforms” have broken one system, and they cannot debug the second, obviously worse.

          And can you highlight the signs of the school of the Russian Federation and the USSR?
          But how can you debug a system if it alone cannot work as such?

          I'm talking about the mechanism for monitoring the implementation of the exam
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 29 May 2013 18: 25 New
            +1
            and what prevented "summing up the article" familiarity, blat and corruption? (something is already criminally punishable). No, they broke the system to hell and built exactly the same (in terms of corruption capacity)
            “And can you highlight the signs of the school of the Russian Federation and the USSR?” - I dare to suggest that this was a broader outlook and stock of knowledge in different subjects.
            I apologize for getting into your conversation
  12. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 29 May 2013 08: 51 New
    10
    Examination - this is very good! More than 80% in the universities of the capital (prestigious) - descended from the mountains with their “deserved” 100 points and lack of knowledge of the Russian language .. But a normal and gifted child can’t break through from the middle lane. This is the state policy. The results will be oh how soon ..
    1. shamil
      shamil 29 May 2013 09: 32 New
      +1
      not always a student from the mountains rolls! Here is an example: a girl studied in foreign language in degestan, after the first year she got married, moved to Surgut
      and she had to start from the first
    2. DrekerexeN
      DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 11: 42 New
      -1
      Have your children passed badly?
  13. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 29 May 2013 08: 53 New
    +5
    A single state examiner was introduced to reduce corruption in education. Nothing of the kind happened, and in the national republics, passing the final school tests became a well-established business, bringing considerable income to teachers and intermediaries. There was even a special term: "Dagestan Unified State Examination" - after applicants began to enter federal universities that were difficult to explain in Russian. But with 100-point results of a single exam.
  14. bubla5
    bubla5 29 May 2013 08: 58 New
    +4
    Fursenko introduced the most corrupt component of the USE exams in Russia, they study over the hill and dictate their idiotic rules of education, well this is real idiocy, former education is a life-long and unique experimental development of upbringing and education for 45 years of the USSR, and the drunk Ural drunk and his henchmen later destroyed the entire system
  15. Grbear
    Grbear 29 May 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    Discussions about the exam as a system for assessing the level of education are unpromising and belated.

    Belated because:
    - the system is officially implemented and works;
    - teaching methods in schools have begun "sharpening" of educational processes under the Unified State Examination since 2001;
    - since 2006, roughly, one million graduates a year (future specialists), studied with a focus on this type of certification;
    - The teaching staff prepared by the institutes for this period has replaced the previous one by 30-40% and does not imagine other forms of teaching (assessment of the quality of teaching - USE);
    - A clear dependence of the financial situation of the school and teachers on the results of exams has been developed.

    Unpromising - the action is completed, it bears fruit and has been evaluated.

    The social component of the exam (social elevator) is not significant. At institutes there was reservation for nonresident, but there weren’t so many excellent students from the Caucasus and Yakutia. Subjectivity and self-interest in evaluating applicants has always existed (in different forms and scales), but only an experienced teacher can evaluate the prospects of a future student.

    The psychological aspect of the exam.

    The verdict - "Did not pass", which is received from the "objective" soulless system and the same, from the commission of living people, affects the psyche of a young man in different ways.

    Some conclusions:
    - the processes of changes in the field of education should not be "reformist", but only evolutionary, based on time-tested methods;
    - education should become part of state interests and domestic policy;
    - analysis of the situation and decision-making on the future direction of the development of education should not occur within the framework of the executive body (ministry);
    - limit the commercialization of the school.

    Now we have what we have, but we must understand what we want tomorrow and how to achieve it.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 29 May 2013 10: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: GrBear
      Belated because:
      - the system is officially implemented and works;


      And what: in order to destroy what would not work, are there any problems in our country?
  16. leon-iv
    leon-iv 29 May 2013 09: 32 New
    +1
    But my parents believe that the exam is one of the most objective indicators of knowledge in natural science disciplines.
    Threat Father is a teacher of physics, mother is a teacher of physics and the head of the methodological association.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 29 May 2013 09: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: leon-iv
      Father is a teacher of physics, mother is a teacher of physics and the head of the methodological association.

      In physics - maybe. If only dry answers on formulas and just write laws. (I do not know the content of the questions - I can not judge objectively). But here's the literature, history, a foreign language .... full of crap.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 29 May 2013 09: 41 New
        0
        If only dry answers according to formulas and just laws to write

        learn blocks B and C that you really need to think and write yourself. Why a well-written test gives a complete picture.
        Threat Test is not necessarily a set of answers.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 29 May 2013 09: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: leon-iv
          learn blocks B and C that you really need to think and write yourself. Why a well-written test gives a complete picture.
          Threat Test is not necessarily a set of answers.


          Alas! I can only judge by Ukrainian tests. And here:
          1. ERRORS in the answers (which they then acknowledge if the parents reached the Ministry of Education)
          2. Two answers may be correct.
          3. All the same, in humanitarian subjects, tests can be used as test papers, but not as an exam. They will show neither creative thinking, nor knowledge of literature, nor language proficiency
        2. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 29 May 2013 13: 15 New
          +2
          What are you minus? Or maybe the exam form has never been seen?
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 29 May 2013 09: 49 New
        +1
        With physics and mathematics - similarly. No understanding - no formulas will help. Do not give up !! Checked. Repeatedly. On myself.
    2. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 29 May 2013 09: 55 New
      +3
      For the exact sciences, the test form of delivery is the most, but for humanitarian subjects, alas and ah
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 29 May 2013 12: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: leon-iv
      Father is a teacher of physics, mother is a teacher of physics and the head of the methodological association.

      Then it’s clear why you are with your hands and feet behind the exam. winked
      Formulas can be learned without understanding the process, and understanding the application of this formula.
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  18. Egoza
    Egoza 29 May 2013 09: 35 New
    +8
    Soviet education will be available in Britain. We are all surprised: why are these kids of our oligarchs and government officials seeking out in Britain for diplomas? So there is the highest level of education - in a country where the Prime Minister does not know who is the author of the patriotic song “Rule, Britain, the Seas” and what is the “Magna Carta”? It turns out that standards of Soviet education are being introduced in foggy Albion.

    In Great Britain they intend to adopt the experience of Soviet education, transmit Vesti with reference to ITAR-TASS. Mathematics-capable children are going to be trained here on the model of specialized schools that first appeared in Russia during the Soviet era. It is in this way that the United Kingdom's Minister of Education, Michael Gove, plans to raise the level of teaching the “Queen of Sciences” in public schools.

    The first reformed school based on the Soviet model will begin work in 2014 on the basis of London's King's College. Others will appear behind her. Here they will study mathematics in depth and prepare children for admission to the best universities.

    “The idea is based on a network of schools that emerged in the era of the arms race in the 60 of the last century to identify and nurture the mathematical and scientific elite in order to stimulate the development of the USSR,” British media reported. “As in the Soviet schools, some of which strengthen their positions in modern Russia, some subjects will be conducted by university teachers or students.”

    The British mass media refers to the role model as the physics and mathematics boarding school at Moscow State University, founded in 1963 by Andrey Kolmogorov.

    A rigorous selection of students will be based on exam results, summer courses, and interviews. King's College is currently developing a strategy for the new project.
    XXXX
    And you swear that the "top" send children to study in London! There you can get a Soviet education! laughing
  19. shamil
    shamil 29 May 2013 09: 42 New
    +3
    Zhirinovskii in the Duma announced the certificate of the Minister of Education. threesome!
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 29 May 2013 09: 47 New
      +1
      Zhirinovskii in the Duma announced the certificate of the Minister of Education. threesome

      what?
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 29 May 2013 09: 51 New
      +2
      If the Soviet-normal ... Checked.
    3. Black
      Black 29 May 2013 10: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: shamil
      Zhirinovskii in the Duma announced the certificate of the Minister of Education. threesome!


      I am not a teacher of the Russian language, but for your pearl you are one less than the minister’s ball. I found 4 spelling and one speech.
      Passed the exam or the old?
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 29 May 2013 10: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Chen
        Passed the exam or the old?

        Well, you found fault - the education was the best and this is important !!!, and rhetorical questions are not so convenient.
  20. shamil
    shamil 29 May 2013 10: 01 New
    +3
    We have something not to reform ....... but.. Nadeyus when mine grow up ehe canceled to hell. Secret military mail needs exam assignments in sealed packages with a note to be opened in so many times' in case of emergency destroy (eat) And what? Russia's security is at stake
    With degestan, there are only round honors rod
    1. DrekerexeN
      DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 11: 44 New
      +1
      And fly out after the first session.
    2. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 29 May 2013 18: 27 New
      0
      Quote: shamil
      With degestan, there are only round honors rod

      Your name is Dagestan, but you write the name of the republic incorrectly. Not degestan, but Dagestan, if there are women smile
  21. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 May 2013 10: 13 New
    +1
    I have a wife, a teacher .. is present at the exam ... as according to the story of the children they make some sheep .. I imagine which of them will be specialists (only if lawyers and economists ..))
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 29 May 2013 11: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I have a wife teacher

      And I, too, like two cousins, a late aunt, and three friends. drinks
      Quote: MIKHAN
      tells of some kind of sheep

      Maybe she will tell us who this Frankenstein is. And how does he oppose GETTING KNOWLEDGE to "such responsible and preoccupied by his children" parents? How and most importantly when "he" infects children with a vaccine that causes "RESISTANT KNOWLEDGE IMMUNITY"? what hi
      1. Khokhol-MSC
        Khokhol-MSC 29 May 2013 22: 42 New
        0
        do not confuse the concept of "knowledge" and "information." USE - verification of the presence of an identical "cast of the information component", without testing the ability to apply it. But more important in life is just the second.
  22. Vitamoralle
    Vitamoralle 29 May 2013 10: 23 New
    +1
    There used to be a problem with preferential categories, which are 100-point results. I bought a certificate and entered the budget (of course, subject to a satisfactory result of the exam).
    If so many problems have accumulated now, then what will happen to the Higher School just around the corner 2016-2018 and the introduction of the exam for students ...
  23. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 29 May 2013 10: 28 New
    +2
    <<< But if tens of millions of Russians are already literally shouting that the USE is a substitute for a real assessment of student knowledge, that this system has absorbed all the negativity that Western countries refuse, then why does the “triumphant” USE procession in Russia continue ? >>>
    There is only one conclusion: liberal marketers, who have occupied and steer in many areas of our lives: economics, education ... DO NOT NEED A LITTLE LITERATURE! We need under-education, mediocrity, which is easier to vparivat their science-based theories about imminent capitalist prosperity, hang noodles on the ears, explaining why we can not get out of w ... s, where these "wise men" - the steering drove the country!
  24. fisherman
    fisherman 29 May 2013 10: 29 New
    +4
    Why are everyone surprised? The work is carried out systematically, the goals are being met. Another 12 years will pass and we can assume that one generation with the “necessary” education has been created. Three such generations and all the positive experience of the Soviet education system will fly into the pipe. By that time, only wealthy sections of the population will study, just like in 1913. You look at the level of illiteracy and catch up with pre-revolutionary Russia. But we will not live like in a “scoop”, he was like that, right?
  25. USNik
    USNik 29 May 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    The exam serves the purpose of standardizing the thinking of young people in general, and as a means of income for Livanov in particular. (PS: in / in Ukraine things are no better no )
  26. OCD
    OCD 29 May 2013 10: 33 New
    +1
    Amer themselves admitted that the testing system is not as effective as desired, and that they are turning into a nation. And the Ministry of Education continues to impose the USE on us. Why do those who graduate from school in the USSR have much stronger and better knowledge than current students? Let Fursenko answer if he can.
  27. Rustiger
    Rustiger 29 May 2013 10: 53 New
    +1
    Again, the forum users got the old record "how young we were and how good and right everything was in the USSR." I agree! Yes it was!!! But what now smear snot on the faces. Enough, you need to take something "old", remake in a new way, try, but DO, DO, DO. . .
    I consider the USE as a raw, UNFINISHED EXPERIMENTAL INNOVATION. So far “ugly”, but INNOVATION!
    What a sharp contrast between the reality and the comments of the forum "experts."
    A very indicative fact: anyone can comment on the USE (and indeed the education system), the further he is from the educational system itself, the more “commentary” it is more radical and apocalyptic.
    Indeed, initially the exam was (fairly) perceived by the pedagogical community with hostility. This is normal, because this community is generally quite conservative, and they perceive all reforms very painfully after the disaster that happened with our education in the 90s. But here we must pay tribute to the public, the teacher and parent communities - the exam is the rare case when there was real feedback - and universities and schools worked in collaboration with the ministry, and as a result, the earlier exam and the present are two big differences.
    I will express the position of friends and “native” teachers:
    Buying an exam is a very difficult process, which is possible for a very limited circle of people who, in principle, do not need an exam (in Harvard, Oxford and other places where children study such people), the exam is not accepted. It is complex "in construction" and "in execution" - chaos, confusion and disregard for everything in the departments (read "the bureaucrats from education") as they were.
    Sites that sell results do not affect the results of the exam, because these sites are fraudulent, where answers to questions not related to the actual exam are sold.
    Returning to the classical exam simply does not make sense, because the exam includes a fairly large part of the classical exam.

    If we talk about the essence of the problem, then this particular problem simply does not exist. For the education system as a whole and for the school in particular, the fundamental problem is not at all in the USE, but in that. that the bureaucrat is placed over a professional. The school teacher spends more and more time filling out paperwork and forms, compiling reports, programs and forecasts. And far from always, a teacher can give a person a well-deserved mark or DO NOT GIVE GOD deviate from the program approved by the kutsa, because this is fraught with even more paper work. Moreover, the bureaucrat who should control the teacher currently has FULL POWER over him, so the teacher has been transformed from a creative profession into an outgoing slave on a plantation.
    But these "experts" are not interested in these problems, as well as other real problems of society (housing issues, children's medicine and others), they chew and will chew that they spit out of the Kremlin. Because the "specialist in everything" is not a profession, it is a sexual position.
  28. Bort radist
    Bort radist 29 May 2013 10: 53 New
    +3
    I posted my post a little higher, I know the minuses are being thrown, here is the opinion of one of the parents from the site. Good man wrote. Everyone understands education and football. Each cook writes articles about the exam and school standards. She does not know how the Unified State Examination is deciphered and has not read the standards, but any guidepark will break with pathos and patriotism. My oldest child is in grade 9 about school, I know not from blogs and films. My parental "tussock" is this:

    School teachers and university professors are mired in corruption today, at school they give beautiful marks for beautiful eyes, at institutes they give beautiful marks for beautiful banknotes and beautiful intimacy. Homework is deducted from the GDS website. The controls are written off right in the classroom. Teachers constantly "accidentally" forget the options for future tests and tests and leave the class to write. Naturally, after such a successful urination on the control, solid fives. Most teachers don’t give a damn about the students ’knowledge; they give them good marks if their parents wouldn’t go to school to buzz. Many teachers are already unsuitable: they do not give a shit about children, they don’t even have elementary pedagogical skills, they don’t know the subject taught to children, they don’t put twos.

    Thus, the Unified State Examination and the State Academic Examination today are the ONLY examinations giving a more or less real picture of knowledge in children.

    That is why most teachers and parents are AFRAID of the Unified State Examination - they know that their children's assessments are drawn, false. It's true. Today, teachers draw beautiful grades for several years, and at the beginning of the last year, before the exam or the State Academic Examination, they give students a test test. It reveals that 90% of children will leave school with a certificate. "Teachers" significantly sigh, roll their eyes to the top and carry pathetic crap about the damned Unified State Examination, Fursenko, Putin and capitalism. Parents happily assent to them and nod - because it is so convenient to shift their teacher and parent meannesses to Putin, Yeltsin and Judah Gorbachev.

    And the truth is that an exam that is independent of teachers should take place annually, when moving from class to class, all 11 years. Then, at the next conspiratorial rolling of eyes: “Well, you understand - Fursenok ...” the pseudo-teacher will get a blow to the snout. And maybe then he will start to teach or at worst run away from school and stop mutilating children.
    This is the link http://maxpark.com/community/3533/content/1678952
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 29 May 2013 11: 38 New
      +2
      so it turns out that corruption wasn’t defeated) USE decisions fall into tyrnet, the Caucasus knows Russian at the level of philologists from Moscow State University, etc.)) what has changed? nothing.
  29. Argast
    Argast 29 May 2013 11: 16 New
    0
    Unified State Examination is a commercial enterprise, and for this it was created. Our Unified State Exam in Russian was held in two classrooms in one school.
    In one for all severity, and in the second for "their own." Work is handed over in a NOT sealed envelope, which makes it easy to correct / supplement the necessary
    1. DrekerexeN
      DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 11: 55 New
      +2
      Complaint to the prosecutor. And with the evidence.
  30. DrekerexeN
    DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 11: 55 New
    0
    I read it to the end ... Yes, comrades. there is a problem. And she sounds "DIDN'T DO - BUT CONDEMN!" For the whole topic I found 4 adequate people. The rest either live 15-20 years ago, or perceive information only through the TV. So, firstly, I personally passed the exam. And he prepared and studied for 11 years. And he passed and entered one of the universities of St. Petersburg. I live in another country? There is not in Russia. The exam is quite an objective assessment of basic knowledge in the subject. But the tasks are still damp. Although the work is going on. And if your children cannot pass, these are yours and their problems. understand, you basically do not need a fuck, not at school or at a university. You need to be able to earn knowledge yourself. Otherwise, now nothing. he who taught he himself wrote on 100, and entered and unlearned. The rest is a flight home after the first session.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 29 May 2013 12: 50 New
      0
      Even if you are a genius who has received an excellent education in our system of secondary education and thanks to the Unified State Examination comprehend science in one of the prestigious universities of the 2 capital cities, then your case is NOT THE RULE. Far from the rule. if we consider the exam as a method of combating corruption in the field of HE, then the exam is a palliative. And not 15-20l.n. finished, and 30. And not only grumble, but also compare. Thank God there is something ... But not everything is bad, not everything ... And self-education is really the most effective teaching method. But not everything can be comprehended. Here the teacher will help. And at the same time he will control: how it fell ... With an addiction.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 29 May 2013 13: 04 New
      0
      Quote: DrekerexeN
      For the whole topic I found 4 adequate people.

      The dearest minus earned honestly, as in the exam.
      Here, everyone is different, and everyone has different opinions.
      1. DrekerexeN
        DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 19: 50 New
        +2
        I see these different opinions)
    3. SPAAARTAAA
      SPAAARTAAA 29 May 2013 13: 36 New
      +2
      DrekerexeN, I completely agree with you, there's nothing to add here. He passed the exam in 2008. Now this is a REAL chance to enter a university.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 29 May 2013 18: 29 New
        +1
        a real chance, I do not argue. my personal example is the confirmation of .186 points (+ privilege, which was not useful) and a place in the university is provided (well, it was like that for me). I’ll only repeat a week of training in three subjects (with a day off, smoke breaks and household chores) ) 9 years after graduation, when something has already been forgotten. Do you think this is a real assessment of my knowledge? and I think that this is only an assessment of the exam
        1. Illyria
          Illyria 29 May 2013 18: 47 New
          +2
          198 points, failed. 4 points did not reach. I never thought that so many people would trample on a historian. And there are specialties where they calmly pass from 140-150, because no one goes there. It all depends on the chosen specialty.
          1. DrekerexeN
            DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 19: 54 New
            +2
            188 points. Passed on to the budget.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 29 May 2013 19: 59 New
              +1
              forum users, here the main point is preparation. a person cannot go to the best and oldest university in Siberia in a week of preparation! in the sense I could not have done it before, but with the "great" USE it is easy.
  31. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 29 May 2013 13: 25 New
    +7
    I graduated from school at 1995, so I just heard about the exam. But I talk a lot with the guys who are now studying at institutes - they don’t have a conversation about which textbook is better or which teacher gives the best material. All conversations - how much is the essay, course, etc. In addition, I saw in the diary a remark to a child from a literature teacher. The comment was written with ORPHOGRAPHIC ERRORS.
    The day before yesterday I talked with my former classroom. She said that the exam is a hemorrhoids for teachers and idiocy for students, since it is akin to a “fair” assessment of dexterity among animals by climbing a tree. The fish will not climb. In general, one definition is most often heard about current graduates: Victim of the exam. And this is sad.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 29 May 2013 18: 32 New
      +1
      You raised a sore subject — in Tomsk, “course, essays, control” announcements hang at every stop. I met with an “invisible” earphone, and many different “subtleties”. I didn’t notice anything special with these things
  32. pensioner
    pensioner 29 May 2013 13: 44 New
    +3
    A weak argument, of course, but still ... I do not know a single teacher from USU + UPI (I will never say Urfa!) Who would not advocate the abolition of the USE !. No one! I know decently ... True, all techies ...
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 29 May 2013 14: 03 New
      +6
      I graduated from the history department of the Ural State Order of the Red Banner of Labor. A.M. Gorky. smile There are also no fans of the exam. My supervisor (Prof. Doctor of Historical Sciences A.G. Chevtaev) told me 4 years ago, when I came to visit me from old times, that the students went, to put it mildly, unable to study. They were not taught to study at school, so they do not shine at the university. As a result, the level of graduates has fallen.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 29 May 2013 14: 39 New
        +3
        Same!!! Fizfak! Wife is a historian !! Himself in an archaeologist for 5 seasons drove. At Bolshakova 77 finally could almost live. Friends, it was full. Chevtaev knew both himself and his chess player! Stroybat - well, tell me that Urfa compared to Urgu -....!
        1. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 29 May 2013 15: 29 New
          +5
          Senior citizen, I’ll tell you directly - There were USU them. A.M. Gorky and UPI them. CM. Kirov. Lumps! The most powerful universities! and now, instead of them, complete UrFU them. EBNa. My fu him.
  33. DeerIvanovich
    DeerIvanovich 29 May 2013 13: 44 New
    +1
    Maybe this is how it will get to the USE, because its disadvantages are hundreds of times overlap with the positive plans that were associated with this implementation. And if the minuses multiplied for 12 years, then it is foolish to hope that the situation with the USE will be better further.
    Livanov declared and declares that he will not voluntarily leave this crusade against the Soviet formation and let the discontented shout, but he will do his job no matter what.
    So the conclusion: everything will continue this way, because the main Obr of the country is not afraid and declares it.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 29 May 2013 16: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: DeerIvanovich
      Livanov declared and declares that he will not voluntarily leave this crusade against the Soviet entity

      Can’t he leave? According to the millions of complaints of parents? wink
      1. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich 29 May 2013 18: 01 New
        +1
        If even a lot ... not millions, of course, but still ... complaints of deputies of the State Duma did not take effect ... request
        Unless to watch in the dark alley with a club at the ready repeat
  34. Umnichka
    Umnichka 29 May 2013 14: 09 New
    +1
    The collapse of the US adversary continues in all directions. In order to go upstairs, one must see the root - our elite must be national in spirit, the rest of the actions are secondary.
  35. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 29 May 2013 16: 22 New
    +2
    Oh, ladies and gentlemen, they’re good, because it’s not in the way of testing knowledge, which is the exam, it’s. The point is the presentation of this knowledge, its volume and quality.
    Objects and watches are cut, astronomy is replaced by an object that has nothing to do with education.
    What does the USE have to do with it, if the entire policy of the Government in the field of education is aimed at debilitating the population?
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 29 May 2013 21: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Yarosvet
      Oh, ladies and gentlemen, they’re good, because it’s not in the way of testing knowledge, which is the exam, it’s. The point is the presentation of this knowledge, its volume and quality.

      This is the root of the problem.
  36. Illyria
    Illyria 29 May 2013 16: 43 New
    +1
    Last year I passed the exam, but I'd rather pass the tickets 10 times. Some of the questions are simply idiotic (especially in history). But this is half the trouble. The biggest problem is psychological. At us in school this exam was constantly intimidated. I remember we went to take the first exam, the teachers again told us all the nonsense, terribly caught up. We are all shaking, someone has a tantrum. The class teacher soldered me to the valerian. Okay, we came to the next school to take. We were checked by passports, seated. In the cabinets the cameras were hung up, they only escorted them out to the toilet. Those who lingered for a long time almost broke into the booths. Most of the dealers are shaken by nerves, their hands are shaking. You sit displaying each letter so that the computer recognizes. With a fright, I forgot most. It was just some kind of nightmare. Most of all we were nervous, those who really study well. We were constantly scared by this exam, we had a fear of failing him and not doing it.
    So it turned out that when it arrived, the budget did not have enough 4 points. When I found out that I hadn’t acted, I had a tantrum for a week, I almost didn’t get a nervous breakdown, my parents constantly cursed about what to do next. I started to run around technical schools. There, too, only paid, free only technical professions, also according to the results of the exam. I didn’t pass physics, so again I fly. It got to the point that she was going to go to vocational school. My heart attack didn’t have enough parents: with my certificate without triples, with my brains and in a sharaga. They collected money and sent me to study for a fee, they said: "I wanted to go to the history department, so go study." So I look at my classmates and think what they did, half of them do not even know the elementary, they are talking nonsense. Some have already been kicked out, but they scored a very high score on the exam. Now I'm sitting in the hope of vacated budget places to transfer.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 29 May 2013 18: 38 New
      +1
      I remembered a joke here in history, I couldn’t answer the question "when did the war in Korea" (literally) (forgot, admit), but a little further there was a question about the war in Korea in the year 50 ... I don’t remember the question, however, he successfully answered the first with the 1950 option. he scored 56 points in history, but could have scored 55))
    2. DrekerexeN
      DrekerexeN 29 May 2013 19: 47 New
      -3
      I didn’t surrender - I don’t have any brains) And composure is now no less important than knowledge.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 29 May 2013 19: 56 New
        +1
        criticism and self-criticism, the engine of progress of personality)) try again, I'm ready to believe in you))
      2. Illyria
        Illyria 29 May 2013 20: 13 New
        +1
        At the expense of self-control, I agree. And at the expense of brains, you do not know the level of my knowledge, so please keep quiet about it. Besides, I didn’t say that I didn’t surrender. I passed, but the result myself was personally unsatisfied.
  37. Dimy4
    Dimy4 29 May 2013 21: 32 New
    +1
    To school with a nickle boot
    I will go to the task of the EGE
    People say to
    Pass the exam required
    Pyatak in the boot .....
    (C) "Murzilki"
    This parody, in my opinion, very accurately reflects the essence of passing the exam.
  38. AlexMH
    AlexMH 29 May 2013 21: 58 New
    +3
    A few words from the point of view of the university. I worked as a deputy for six years (until 2008). open Secretary of the selection committee of the faculty in Baumanka. I heard a lot of screams about corruption, but I did not see corruption. Examination works were encrypted, and the examiners were paid officially good money. Of course, there was a blat, try not to accept the applicant with the rector’s resolution, but this is 5 percent of the total admission, and everyone honestly acted like that. There are few orphans and disabled people, these are usually not fake people (fake help - article). The Olympics, too, were about a dozen and a half for 400 places. Then I left (tired of plowing all summer), now my graduate students work there, and then the exam came. The first set of exams was ... sucks. It seems that they scored the first ones on the street. Now they are in the 5th year, and we are tormented with their remnants. And then flooded. Illiterate people come with 280 points, and we have no right to take. Olympics have become a mass freebie (there USE scores are not taken into account). Recently, the so-called "target men" have thrown a crowd - this is a blat from the Ministry of Education and Science directly. But most importantly, there is no particular correlation between the USE score and the level of training. That is, someone somewhere somehow put someone, and we are obliged to take it and teach it for six years! And then we are told "you have poor performance, you do not know how to work with students." And if he is, how to work with him? It’s one thing when a person purposefully went to a university, and wants to study there, and so he ran by with his USE scores, he thinks “let me do it!” - and entered. By the way, about nonresident. In my opinion, they have nothing to do in such quantities in Moscow. The hostel is not rubber, you can’t live on a scholarship, parents can’t feed - it means that they are working from the first year, and not studying. And they don’t let out, "five expelled students - minus one teacher’s rate." And fake engineers come out, of course, they don’t go home, by specialty, thank God, they don’t work, they attach themselves to trading in different offices in different offices in Moscow. It comes to the ridiculous - people come from Novosibirsk, Petersburg, Chelyabinsk. They have excellent universities, no, they want to go to Moscow, but they don’t want to study. The efficiency of the learning process is lower than that of a steam locomotive. But in the same way they teach in medical. The system is degrading. The state has no policy in the field of education, except for cost savings and cheating. In the ministry simple questions have not been resolved for years, everyone runs around like hens with severed heads and wait for someone to be removed. Teachers have appropriate moods. In short, the idea of ​​the exam, as V.I. said Lenin, "In form it is correct, but in essence - mockery."
  39. Apollo
    Apollo 29 May 2013 22: 43 New
    +3
    Information for reflection


    Media: all exam papers of the exam are published on the American server

    Examination materials on the exam in history, biology, computer science, mathematics, social studies and chemistry are published on an anonymous file-sharing server in the USA. It is reported by "Teacher's Newspaper".

    According to the publication, the download addresses are given only to those who paid the organizers for early receipt of examination tasks. The cost of such a service is 3 thousand rubles.

    "The first archive contains history, biology and computer science, the second contains mathematics, the third contains social science and chemistry. Inside the archives there are folders with objects, for each subject tasks are grouped into four zones:" Far East "," Siberia "," Ural "and the Center. Inside each of them, in turn, are job catalogs. It is from these catalogs that the Federal Testing Center creates individual exam papers for each student by mixing," the newspaper writes.

    For the first time since the introduction of the unified state exam in 2001, all exam materials for all exams were declassified, the publication reports.

    "Calling a spade a spade is a grand theft of exam materials throughout the country for further resale for the purpose of profit," the authors of the publication said.

    Recall that the first exam this year began with a scandal. The Internet got answers to tests in the Russian language, which today are about 750 thousand graduates of Russian schools. Dmitry Medvedev proposed to annul the results of the Unified State Examination of graduates who posted their answers to the Network.

    http://www.ng.ru/news/433119.html
  40. firefox090
    firefox090 29 May 2013 23: 35 New
    +1
    All this is predictable. Teachers tighten their grades because of the premium part of the sn completely depends on the performance in their subject matter ....
  41. Obliterator
    Obliterator 29 May 2013 23: 57 New
    0
    Heh, I remember how, about 10-12 years ago, to us, then still schoolchildren, a math teacher said this: "All, comrades, the freebie is over - with the introduction of the Unified State Examination system, you’ll get your daughters grandmother’s parents. Now everything is on an equal footing will be. " Yeah, well. I would give a lot to remind her of these words now and look at the reaction. Although there is no need to predict here - I would certainly be indignant, as now almost all university teachers who believe that the USE is weaning to think.
    He passed the exam only after college, so I had much less time to prepare than ordinary students. 2 months of classes with a pair of tutors and trainings on sample options - and the result is 70 points in each subject scored. What can you not pass there, I have no idea at all. I can’t judge for exact sciences, because I didn’t give them up, however, there is certainly nothing of such a super complicated.
  42. NUT
    NUT 30 May 2013 01: 27 New
    0
    Right, as always:
  43. Bort radist
    Bort radist 30 May 2013 07: 16 New
    0
    And look at what is happening on our roads! By logic of the majority, it is necessary to change traffic rules.
  44. Kahlan amnell
    Kahlan amnell 30 May 2013 08: 08 New
    0
    Unified State Exam as a logical result "pИforms "is a stone on the grave of education.
  45. NektoRU
    NektoRU 30 May 2013 11: 33 New
    0
    In my opinion, only by the results of personal communication between the examiner and the schoolchild (student) can one reveal the depth of knowledge of a particular subject last. Article 5 points!