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On the failed "caliphate" in Siberia and a landmark decision of the Russian court

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On the failed "caliphate" in Siberia and a landmark decision of the Russian courtToday, the Novosibirsk District Court convicted two local imams accused of organizing the activities of the religious association “Nurcular” (“Nurchular”) prohibited by the court and sentenced them to imprisonment for 1 a year. The imams called the verdict repression and promised to appeal it in all instances up to the European Court of Human Rights. Why the construction of the "Siberian Caliphate" is punishable by law and what the CIA has to do with it - let us analyze below.


"Repression" against the "non-existent organization"

The imams of the Spiritual Board of Muslims of the Asian part of Russia - Associate Professor of one of Novosibirsk universities Ilkhom Merazhov and employee of DUM Komil Odilov - during the trial, which lasted 5 months, repeatedly declared their innocence, but the court did not heed them:

“Announcing the verdict, the judge noted that the court found confirmation of the investigation data that the defendants had organized in Novosibirsk a cell prohibited by the Russian court of the Nurcular movement. At the same time, A. Pozdnyakov noted, they knew that this movement was prohibited, they acted in concert and promoted the teachings of the Turkish scholar Said Nursi, whose books were also recognized by the Russian court as extremist.

“The organization’s activity was aimed at Islamizing the region, establishing Muslim rule on the basis of Sharia law,” said state prosecutor S. Ageev, announcing an indictment at the first meeting. ”

The defense of the defendants resisted the fact that:

- “there is no such organization as“ Nurdzhular ”in nature. This is about the fantasy when ufologists find aliens ”;

- the collected works of Risale-i-Nur by S. Nursi are recognized by the entire Islamic community of theological scholars as a comment of the Quran, however, for reasons unknown to him, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation considered them extremist;

“Think for yourself: what, two people in your Siberia, in cold climates, wanted to create a world Islamic caliphate in your apartment? This is nonsense! ”

Meanwhile, recently, a whole wave of searches and detentions of members of the allegedly non-existent in nature organization "Nurdzhular" took place in Russia. So, last week the cell in Perm was liquidated. The detained citizens of Turkey and Azerbaijan and Russia, under the guise of a legal business dealing in the sale of fur coats, distributed propaganda religious materials — about 5000 books and extremist brochures, computers and a large number of disks were seized from them. At the same time, similar operations took place in Anapa, Rostov-on-Don and St. Petersburg.

After the announcement of the sentence in Novosibirsk, the defendant Imam I. Merazhov declared:

“This verdict is repression, its task is to exert pressure on Muslims. A person who fights extremism is accused of extremism. ”

So that the reader does not fall for the well-known trick of “power struggles with religion!” Used by all members of banned religious organizations without exception, we will briefly describe what “Nurcular” is.

What is "Nurdzhular"

Immediately we recognize the rightness of the protection of the imams - legally “Nurcular” does not exist. Just as for some reason there is not in any registers of organizations such as the "Emirate of the Caucasus" or the NGO "United States of Siberia". However, this does not prevent them from actively acting underground: to propagandize, recruit, arrange terrorist acts.

“Nurcular” is an organization of that kind, which mimics the enlightenment, but at the same time does subversive work. This allows her in case of any hint of the so-called. “Repressions” by state authorities to raise a cry for oppression and rely on the help of the West and local human rights activists. No wonder, when in 2008, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation recognized the International Religious Organization "Nurcular" extremist and banned its activities in Russia, the reaction of the US State Department followed immediately:

“The Russian Constitution provides for freedom of religion, and, in general, the government respects this right in practice. However, religious minorities, especially Muslim followers of the Turkish theologian Said Nursi, Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologists, faced with restrictions on their religious literature and difficulties in registering their organizations. ”

Said Nursi is such a Turkish Islamic theologian of the beginning of the last century, known for the main work of his life - the composition "Risale-i Nur" - commentaries on the Koran. As his followers say, there is nothing extremist in them, but, on the contrary, they promote peace-loving and uniting the entire Islamic world in the fight against godlessness and depravity reigning in the modern world.

The Russian court referred some Nursi translations to Russian extremist literature, explaining: “there are signs of extremism, in particular: incitement of religious hatred, propaganda of exclusivity, superiority and inferiority of citizens on the basis of their attitude to religion”.

The theologian Nursi left this world a long time ago and cannot answer such an accusation. Perhaps, indeed at a certain angle in his texts it is impossible to find anything "inciting". However, his followers made political subtext into the teaching, which is being promoted around the world under the guise of Nursi's authority.

Such a movement is called “Nurcular”, and although there are at least a dozen branches in it, we will not go into their details now - all of them in one way or another promote: a) the Islamic way of life and b) the revival of Turkey as its world center. Let us dwell only on the most famous follower of Nursi, the preacher Fetullah Gülen.

It was Gulen who was able to organize an extensive international network (conditionally “Nurcular”), making a huge contribution to the propaganda of Pan-Turkism around the world. To date, it has 5 million followers and hundreds of schools in Central Asia, the Middle East, China, Africa and Europe. How was it possible for one, even a very talented person, to create such a complex network?

In 1998, Gulen was accused of trying to overthrow the state system in Turkey. While fleeing, he fled to the United States, ostensibly for treatment, but remained there and lives to this day, despite the fact that in 2006, the Supreme Court of the Republic of Turkey dismissed all charges against him.

There is an opinion that the structure of Gulen (organizational-classical sect) was created with the help of the CIA and is still working closely with her. After the collapse of the USSR, it began an active introduction to the post-Soviet space.

The recently published memoirs of the former secret service officer of Turkey, Osman Nuri Gündesh, say that 130 CIA employees worked only in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan in the lyceums of Nurcular. “Although outwardly these people were perceived as teachers, in fact, they worked under the guidance of American intelligence services,” writes Gundsh. “All of them are US citizens who were registered in these lyceums as“ teachers of English and at the same time possessed diplomatic passports. ”

Long way "Nurdzhular" to the ban in Russia

The activities of “Nurdzhular” came to the attention of the Russian special services at the beginning of the 90-s. In particular, it is said about their ties with the militants of the North Caucasus. However, the operational development of the sect began only with the advent of Vladimir Putin to the presidency of Russia. The then director of the FSB, Nikolai Patrushev, spoke about her activities:

“Information was collected on the processes taking place in the North Caucasus, Pan-Turkist and Pan-Islamist treatment of Russian youth was conducted, candidates for recruitment were studied in order to form a pro-Turkish lobby in local government structures, penetration into law enforcement agencies and public associations.”

During this period, the mass deportation of Turkish representatives of Nurcular from Russia began, including several dozens of “teachers” were expelled from Tatarstan, where they worked especially freely.

The final point put the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, but it happened, as already mentioned, only in 2008 year, and the general purge of preachers who had gone underground, and all - only now.

By the way, before the start of the current law enforcement campaign, we had already witnessed similar ones - in relation to the banned Hizbut Tahrir and so-called extremists. "Mujahideen of the Volga region". This suggests that the government finally set about clearing the Augean stables of "non-existent organizations." Apparently, the upcoming Universiade in Kazan and the 2014 Olympiad in Sochi, and maybe some operational information about which we do not know, was the impetus for this.

Landmark solution

The decision of the Novosibirsk court can be called a landmark. Of course, he has and will have many critics, because in fact it is very difficult to even bring such a case to court. The discussion about the legality of attributing certain texts sacred to Muslims to the category of extremist literature is a manifestation of a rather serious problem that remains to be solved. In particular, the ban on Nursi transfers is recognized even by many neutral experts. However, they also agree that so far there are no other mechanisms for dealing with such Novosibirsk imams and interpreters.

You can, of course, take the path of tolerant Europe, but how it ends - we know well. Fortunately, it seems that the time of importing foreign “ideologies-mines” to Russia really comes to an end.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 29 May 2013 15: 15 New
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    You can, of course, follow the path of tolerant Europe, but how it ends - we well know
    I’m afraid we don’t fully know yet ... to be continued.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 29 May 2013 17: 26 New
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      I want to invite a peasant to come to any republic of Central Asia, and there try to create a similar organization, how many days are these, or this person, living there in health?
      Quote: svp67
      I’m afraid we don’t fully know yet ... to be continued.

      You are right, dashing misfortune, beginning. And once you need to start. After all, we do not go to them with our charter. And these zealots, with the connivance of our leaders, laid a time bomb. Which has already worked in the EU. What will happen next?
      PS

      В большинстве случаев, виновны в заселении России выходцами из средней Азии, как ни странно наши бизнесмены - предприниматели, которые не хотят платить достойную зарплату местному населению, уповая на то что "узбеков" найму если вы не хотите работать за 10 - 15 тыров. Золотой телец обуял наших бизнес менов, увы.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 29 May 2013 17: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Sirocco
        The golden calf has embraced our businessmen, alas.

        This RULE applies to all business exchanges.
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 29 May 2013 20: 33 New
        +2
        [quote = Sirocco] I want to invite a farmer to come to any republic of Central Asia, and there try to create a similar organization, how many days these, or this person, will live there in health? [quote = svp67] I'm afraid we don’t know yet, ... to be continued. [/ quote]
        For reference, I live in the south of Kazakhstan every two three days knocking on the gates and offering salvation and good news, I just didn’t find out which sect like Jehovah’s witnesses, roofing felts yet. So sectarians from Christians and Muslims work everywhere and they’re active, they need to increase the flock by biting it traditional denominations. If in their sermons they begin to call for discord or a change of power, one must be punished.
    2. Artmark
      Artmark 29 May 2013 18: 25 New
      +2
      The authorities must control everything that happens in their country! If there are laws on religion, then there must be those who monitor the implementation of these laws. And how it turns out, a person who comes as a true believer comes to the end that he is either a Wahhabi or a witness to Egovi or like .. stop
    3. avdkrd
      avdkrd 29 May 2013 21: 20 New
      +2
      there is nothing to put them in jail, there are two options - either to put them on a stake, or as a soft option with things to go out (with deprivation of citizenship), where they will be appreciated, respected, or at least imbued with their ideas (only not applicable to Siberia and Russia in whole, but to myself). Hospitality to such preachers could be provided by a full-time geyrop, sash, emirates, etc.
  2. Interface
    Interface 29 May 2013 15: 18 New
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    Начали работать наконец-то. ФСБ оказалась на высоте, успешной им борьбы на "невидимом фронте"!
    1. yllo
      yllo 29 May 2013 16: 11 New
      +5
      on high? I consider one year conditionally this is not 25 years in prison that these people would receive for these actions in Japan.
      1. Interface
        Interface 29 May 2013 20: 15 New
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        You did not understand. I'm talking about the FSB, which tracked down and caught the traitors in time.
        А вы говорите про судебное разбирательство; ФСБ и суд -- разные организации и деятельность их различна. Другое дело, что могли посадить на подольше, но претензии именно к суду, а не "чекистам".
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      2. PN
        PN 29 May 2013 21: 39 New
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        To plant them is also fraught. In prisons they will continue their sermons, there was already a report about it.
    2. avt
      avt 29 May 2013 17: 35 New
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      Quote: Interface
      Начали работать наконец-то. ФСБ оказалась на высоте, успешной им борьбы на "невидимом фронте"!

      If they turned their head off in the gateway, or if they died without shedding blood, I would join in the congratulations. And this is more like another recent warning. negative Sudoplatov is needed with his department, but Eitingon with Serebryansky, then the spirits would be combed out and there would be no ships and they could not be heard not only from the minaret.
    3. rolik
      rolik 29 May 2013 20: 30 New
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      These geeks, like cockroaches, are creeping out looking for any gaps in the laws. It was high time for the state to take slippers in hand.
  3. neri73-r
    neri73-r 29 May 2013 15: 19 New
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    We have recognized four religions - Orthodoxy (Christianity), Islam, Judaism (well, where without it) and Buddhism, the rest are sects, including those masquerading as the above religions, and they must be burned, crushed, without any pity, since they are from the evil one !!!
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 29 May 2013 15: 44 New
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      Quote: neri73-r
      We have four religions recognized

      Judaism must be crossed out.
    2. old man54
      old man54 29 May 2013 15: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: neri73-r
      We have recognized four religions - Orthodoxy (Christianity), Islam, Judaism (well, where would it be without it) and Buddhism, the rest is sects ... you must press, without any pity, since they are from the evil one !!!

      ну Вы сильно ошибаетесь, милейший! Околк 10 лет назад, при сильнейшем давлении на пр-во России из-за бугра, был продавлен закон открывающий дорогу в Россию всем другим конфессиям мира и признающий их право открывать своих представительства и Храмы в России. Те религии и их ветви, что перечислили Вы относяться к исторически сложившимся в России, т.е. коренным, но их особые права и запрещение на деятельность в России других конфессий узаконены не были. Продавливание этого закона шло мод угрозой "столкнуться" с мировым правительством (сионистким), чего российская власть испугалась!
      1. builder
        builder 29 May 2013 19: 16 New
        +1
        The current (from 1993) Constitution of Russia defines the Russian Federation as a secular state. The constitution guarantees “freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, including the right to profess, individually or in association with others, any religion or not to profess any, freely choose, have and disseminate religious and other beliefs and act in accordance with them. " Federal Law of September 26, 1997 No. 125-ФЗ “On Freedom of Conscience and on Religious Associations” confirms “equality before the law regardless of attitude to religion and belief”.
        Since 2002, the legal status of religious organizations has been regulated by the Federal Law “On Freedom of Conscience and on Religious Associations” No. 125-FZ. According to article 14 of this Law, a religious organization may be liquidated and its activities prohibited by the courts. The basis for this is, in particular, the extremist activity (extremism) of a religious organization in the definition of Article 1 of the Federal Law "On Countering Extremist Activity" dated July 25.07.2002, 114 No. XNUMX-ФЗ.
    3. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 29 May 2013 17: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: neri73-r
      Orthodoxy (Christianity),

      But what, dear, do we treat Catholicism and Protestantism. Or is it no longer Christianity?
    4. builder
      builder 29 May 2013 19: 11 New
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      According to the All-Russian survey conducted by VTsIOM in March 2010, the country's population considers itself to be the following denominations:
      Orthodoxy - 75%
      Islam - 5%
      Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, Buddhism - 1% each
      Other denominations - about 1%
      Unbelievers - 8%
      In addition, 3% of respondents expressed the opinion that they are believers, but do not consider themselves to be a particular denomination.
  4. Kurdalagon
    Kurdalagon 29 May 2013 15: 20 New
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    It’s high time for the appropriate Muslims of Russia to begin cleaning their ranks themselves. Do they really not understand that such sects discredit them! Or are millions of bucks from abroad doing their job?
    1. annenkov242
      annenkov242 29 May 2013 16: 55 New
      +2
      Muslims do not have such an egreger as we Christians do. Only because of self-preservation, we joined the fight against religious extremism.
    2. knn54
      knn54 29 May 2013 18: 41 New
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      Kurdalagon: It’s high time for the adequate Muslims of Russia to begin cleaning their ranks themselves.
      2: 191 Kill [unbelievers], wherever you meet them, expel them from the places from which they expelled you, for unbelief is worse for them than death at your fingertips. And do not fight them at the Forbidden Mosque until they fight with you in it. If they fight [at the Forbidden Mosque], then kill them. Such is the reward of the unfaithful!
      -Killing non-Muslims is a good cause.
      4:91: “And you will see that there are others [munafiks] who want to be faithful to both you and your people. Whenever they are plunged into turmoil [with muslims], they are bogged down in it. And if they do not move away from you and offer you peace and stop attacking you, then grab them and kill them, wherever you find them. We have given you every right to [fight] them. ”
      -Fight against secular authorities, which does not prohibit religion, but at the same time introduces generally accepted laws restricting the rights of religion.
      5:51 O you who believed! Do not be friends with Jews and Christians: they are friends with each other. If any of you is friends with them, then he himself is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not lead the direct way of the wicked.
      - No compromise with Jews and Christians.
      8:39 Fight the infidels until they stop seducing [the faithful from the path of Allah] and until they worship only Allah. If they [seduce the faithful], then Allah sees what they do.
      8:60 Prepare [believers] against unbelievers as much as you can of military strength and bridled horses - in this way you will keep in fear the enemies of Allah and your enemies, and above all other [enemies], of which you have no idea, but Allah aware of them. And no matter how much you spend on the path of Allah, you will be paid in full and injustice will not be shown to you.
      -Just a call to terror against those who do not consider Islam worthy of trust.
      ...
      47: 4 When you meet the infidels [in battle], then chop their heads. When you break them completely, then fasten the shackles [of the captives]. And then either have mercy, or take a ransom [and so on] until the war is over. The way it is. And if Allah desired, He would punish them Himself, but He wants to test one of you through others. [Allah] will never allow the acts of those who were killed [in battle] in His name to be in vain.
      -A call for human trafficking and hostage-taking.
      Именно ЭТИ аяты Корана террористы ИСПОЛЬЗУЮТ как обязанность каждого мусульманина вести ТЕРРОРИСТИЧЕСКУЮ войну «до победного конца» против всех НЕмусульман. Страны Запада( и не только), по мнению исламистов, сегодня "оккупировали" исламские территории и "притесняют" мусульман; а простые люди - соседи мусульман "отвращают" их от ислама…
      There is room for thought.
  5. bazis
    bazis 29 May 2013 15: 21 New
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    not conditional terms should be given, but dissolved in acid. Good imam - missing imam ...
  6. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 29 May 2013 15: 23 New
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    That is, Nurjular pursues pan-Turkic goals, not religious ones. This is an important distinction.
    It is necessary to cover such shops all over Russia, especially in Tatarstan.
    1. Denis
      Denis 29 May 2013 15: 46 New
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      Since Muslims say that Islam is the religion of the world, it is primarily Muslims who must fight radical werewolves, and we will help them.
      1. Artmark
        Artmark 29 May 2013 17: 56 New
        +4
        Dear, they would have fought with these (....), but they also succumb to temptations and threats. it's my opinion.
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 29 May 2013 22: 37 New
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      According to some experts from the Institute of the Middle East (President - Satanovsky E. Ya .; A.G. Hajiyev [19], M.N. Davydov [20] [21], E.V. Zagornova [22], Z. S. Arukhov [23]), Said Nursi’s teachings underlie the Nurjular ideology, operating in Turkey and a number of countries of the world, including the CIS countries (Russian government agencies use this very definition, although the official spiritual departments of Russia do not name readers of Risale’s books -i Nur ”by a separate name or organization). These researchers note that in the regions of Russia and CIS countries with compact Muslim populations, Nurjular supporters are spreading ideas of pan-Turkism and pan-Islamism that can provoke conflicts between representatives of different nationalities and faiths, although there is not a single mention of pan-Turkism anywhere in S. Nursi’s writings , nor about pan-Islamism. It is known that Nursi was an opponent of all nationalism and racism. [24]. At the request of the Republican Prosecutor's Office to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Turkey regarding the literature of Said Nursi, an answer was given that the books of Said Nursi do not propagandize extremism and are not prohibited in their country. Also, the Turkish Foreign Ministry officially confirmed the absence of such an organization as Nurjular

      Said Nursi was a Kurd!
  7. JonnyT
    JonnyT 29 May 2013 15: 34 New
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    Turkish offices are completely insolent!
    Drive with a ... broom, with shame and humiliation!
  8. Abakanets
    Abakanets 29 May 2013 15: 35 New
    +8
    It is necessary to crush Islam. It's time to close the borders with Islamic countries.
    1. old man54
      old man54 29 May 2013 15: 57 New
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      Quote: Abakanets
      It is necessary to crush Islam. It's time to close the borders with Islamic countries.

      Well, do not close, but strongly begin to control them! And it's time to start talking differently with Turkey itself! Our citizens need to stop giving visas freely to rest there, significantly reduce commerce, since the Chinese import market compensates for everything. But for the Turks, it will be like a sickle in yay ... m! They immediately think about it, because they get countless millions of dollars from Russia, but for this the authorities must show their will, and the people will support!
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 29 May 2013 16: 19 New
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        Quote: old man54
        it is necessary to stop visas freely to give there on rest

        Visas are granted by the receiving party.
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 29 May 2013 17: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: old man54
        Our citizens need to stop giving visas freely there on vacation, significantly reduce commerce

        А я всё жду ну когда же Онищенко найдёт "сифилис" на турецких пляжах, птичий грипп в ихнем ширпотребе и введёт карантин.
  9. matross
    matross 29 May 2013 15: 38 New
    +5
    And the sentencer is not too soft - 1 year conditionally? There, under sanction to treshki. Moreover, they did not admit guilt, did not repent. Again half measures ...
    1. annenkov242
      annenkov242 29 May 2013 16: 39 New
      +5
      For them we need - Ermak Timofeevich.
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 29 May 2013 17: 50 New
      +2
      Yes, I also thought so, they need 15 years each, or they can send them to choose from home without the right to enter the territory of Russia.
  10. sergo0000
    sergo0000 29 May 2013 15: 46 New
    +6
    Well, I’ll go to the Universiade in Kazan with a calm soul! smile The FSB does not sleep and it pleases!
    Я бы ещё и "Свидетелей Иеговы" поставил вне закона.Потому как, если посмотреть на статистику смертей от их запрета на переливание крови ,то эту организацию можно смело называть экстремистской!
  11. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 29 May 2013 15: 52 New
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    You can, of course, take the path of tolerant Europe, but how it ends - we know well. Fortunately, it seems that the time of importing foreign “ideologies-mines” to Russia really comes to an end.

    Of course we know - to the obligatory shouts of ALLAH AKBAR, these Muslims of the extreme right wing are cutting neck vertebrae to all those who are wrong and disagree with their views. I have plenty of VIDEO and PHOTO of these crimes laid out by them including our homegrown fighters (some of them are very cruel even for a strong man).
    And I had a firm conviction - no softness and tolerance for these KILLERS should be shown.
  12. IRBIS
    IRBIS 29 May 2013 16: 16 New
    +5
    Choke and again - choke! Any flirting will lead to disaster. Only a whip and no gingerbread!
  13. olegff68
    olegff68 29 May 2013 16: 21 New
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    In the courts pissed !!! Specialists promoted the case, piled up evidence, etc. , and in court all poheril !!! The year is conditional - with what fright?!?! There are no extenuating circumstances (remorse, confession, help to the investigation), a crime from the category of socially dangerous. They would solder a real three-ruble note and, if from Kalyma, correspond in correspondence between the forest cutters with the Geyropei court !!!
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 29 May 2013 16: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: olegff68
      In the courts pissed !!! Specialists promoted the case, piled up evidence, etc. , and in court all poheril !!! The year is conditional - with what fright?!?! There are no extenuating circumstances (remorse, confession, help to the investigation), a crime from the category of socially dangerous. They would solder a real three-ruble note and, if from Kalyma, correspond in correspondence between the forest cutters with the Geyropei court !!!

      Dashing trouble began! Everything will be both Kolyma and Kharpa. Gradually. The main signal is given and I think I’ve heard.
  14. V. Ushakov
    V. Ushakov 29 May 2013 16: 30 New
    +3
    Such people must not be judged - immediately - to shoot. More effective than giving a year to conditionally unconditional thugs, albeit potential ones.
  15. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 29 May 2013 16: 30 New
    +5
    <<<Деятельность «Нурджулар» попала в поле зрения российских спецслужб ещё в начале 90-х Однако оперативная разработка секты началась только с приходом Владимира Путина на пост президента России..Окончательную точку поставил Верховный Суд РФ, но произошло это, как уже говорилось, лишь в 2008 году, а генеральная чистка ушедших в подполье проповедников и вовсе — только теперь.>>>
    КАК ЖЕ ДОЛГО! Ведь эта исламисткий экстремизм сродни раковой опухоли, а избавиться от нее, как известно, можно только на ранней стадии развития, пока она не распространила метастазы. Похоже, что время уже упущено и эта экстремисткая зараза уже пустила корни и нам теперь придется долго, упорно и уже с кровью ее "выкорчевывать". Вот она - цена толерастии, всетерпимости, насаждаемой у нас Западом под видом демократии! Может быть это послужит уроком властям! Подобное благодушие, вседозволенность по отношению ко всякого рода религиозным течениям и сектам НЕДОПУСТИМО и требуется немедленно и решительно пресекать такую деятельность в зародыше не обращая внимание на протестующие вопли геймократов, ооочень заинтересованных в распространении этой ЗАРАЗЫ в России!
  16. Vtel
    Vtel 29 May 2013 16: 36 New
    +4
    and sentenced them to imprisonment for 1 year. The imams called the verdict repression and promised to appeal it in all instances up to the European Court of Human Rights.

    They will complain to the European Court that they did not give them a specific time limit. Like - I don’t understand yours, but a dagger behind my big bosom.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 29 May 2013 17: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Vtel
      They will complain to the European Court that they did not give them a specific time limit. Like - I don’t understand yours, but a dagger behind my big bosom.

      The prosecution should have appealed the verdict, at least the resonance of the case would have been increased.
  17. yllo
    yllo 29 May 2013 16: 37 New
    +3
    А вот мне очень интересно было бы спросить у Путина лично, без камер. " А что вы думаете по поводу засилья Москвы, людьми Кавказских народностей?" " Как вы относитесь к высказываниям Кадырова в адрес фудбольного арбитра?"

    I’m approximately representing what the native Muscovites will answer these questions, so it’s not interesting. But what Putin will say to me is very interesting, because the answer will probably be unexpected.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 29 May 2013 18: 06 New
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      Quote: yllo
      But what Putin will say is very interesting to me

      В стране каждый этого бы хотел и по миллиону вопросов а так догадывайся что он имел ввиду и каковы его реальные цели да что ему мешает всё исправить, в итоге получаем "шифрограммы" из зомбоящика и анализируем в попытке понять что и почему он так сказал, сделал и чем это закончится и как нас это коснётся.
  18. enot555
    enot555 29 May 2013 16: 54 New
    +5
    it's high time to go with hot iron !!!
  19. lemal
    lemal 29 May 2013 17: 06 New
    +2
    Tired of these pseudo-Muslims !!!
  20. Yeraz
    Yeraz 29 May 2013 17: 33 New
    -3
    No, Nurjular is not extremists shouting to Allah Akbar, I have always heard about them a more secular approach, which distinguished them from others and attracted more modern and smart young people. But Yarbay knows these subtleties better, it would be interesting to listen to his opinion, otherwise many Knowing nothing about them, presented them as Wahhabis, although this is not so.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 29 May 2013 17: 51 New
      +6
      What difference does let them preach at home, here they have no place.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 29 May 2013 19: 32 New
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        vladsolo56 RU
        What difference does let them preach at home, here they have no place.


        Пусть проповедует у СЕБЯ на своей ИСТОРИЧЕСКОЙ родине и пусть "пудрит" мозги своим соотечественникам.
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 29 May 2013 18: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Yeraz
      here, many without knowing anything about them introduced them as Wahhabis

      as future Wahhabi leaders, because Wahhabis indicate goals - they themselves do not think
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 29 May 2013 21: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Ivan.
        as future Wahhabi leaders, because Wahhabis indicate goals - they themselves do not think

        Wahhabi leaders are Saudis and Qatar. The Turks have nothing to do with them.
  21. individual
    individual 29 May 2013 18: 43 New
    +6
    You can, of course, take the path of tolerant Europe, but how it ends - we know well. Fortunately, it seems that the time of importing foreign “ideologies-mines” to Russia really comes to an end.
    Written by Eugene Super.

    No need to be naive that mishandled "проповедников их цивилизации" no longer.
    Islamic Pan-Turkism and Saudi Wahhabism - the Sunnis are still confronting each other and are distracted by their common problem of Shiite Islam. Muslims are divided, but strive to gain a foothold in the vast non-plowed field of Russia. A field where they sow seeds of aggressive Islam and seek their adherents. They do not lag behind them. and Christian schismatics.
    Западные спецслужбы освоили протестные движения белоленточников в России и стремятся создать параллельную исламскую "пятую колонну" России.
    Последние действия политического руководства России нейтрализовали активные происки "западников", теперь наступила очередь избавить Россию от угрозы установления чуждого исламско-радикального и христианско-секстанского влияния на умы общества.
    The main thing in Russia is the complete indifference of the population to the possible threat of a substitution of concepts and values, which is a breeding ground for the existence and rooting of laws and customs that are alien to us.
  22. wax
    wax 29 May 2013 20: 31 New
    +2
    Все эти "педагоги" из ЦРУ не только чему-то учили, но они собирали сведения и создавали списки неустойчивых лиц, а также склонных к экстремизму, чтобы продвигать их по ступеням гоударственной и корпоративной службы. По существу они формировали агентов влияния на годы вперед. Нашему ФСБ надо внимательно перелопачивать все списки всех подобных курсов
  23. Nick
    Nick 29 May 2013 20: 35 New
    0
    "...К счастью, кажется, время импортёров иностранных «идеологий-мин» в Россию и правда подходит к концу."

    God grant ...
  24. pinecone
    pinecone 29 May 2013 21: 07 New
    0
    Год "лишения свободы условно"! Действительно "знаковое" судебное решение по уголовному делу, связанному с подрывной анти-государственной деятельностью преступной организации.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 29 May 2013 21: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: pinecone
      Год "лишения свободы условно"! Действительно "знаковое" судебное решение по уголовному делу, связанному с подрывной анти-государственной деятельностью преступной организации.

      Were you at the trial? The court sentenced you for the activities of the banned organization, but we don’t know what kind of activity they were. They obviously didn’t conditionally give 1 year for undermining state security, it’s not Kadyrov’s relatives to be attacked, which means most likely there was something small.
      Not knowing the essence, everyone begins to speak as if they themselves were conducting this business and are familiar with all the details.
  25. tank64rus
    tank64rus 29 May 2013 22: 22 New
    +2
    One for a broken crossbow is 13 years old, and this 1 year is not clear.