Academician Onishchenko proposed raising the age limit for young people in Russia.

Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Gennady Onishchenko has proposed aging young people to 40 years of age instead of the current 35 years.

В interview He stated that modern people maintain health, productivity and intellectual activity longer, so the old framework is already outdated:

Until recently, young people were considered Russians under 30; now, they're considered under 35. Our minister, Murashko, recently said it's 40, and I agree.

Onishchenko argues that today, a person at 65 years of age, while maintaining good health, can continue to work and receive a pension:

So why not extend this youth age? People are still starting families at 40, and he'll be an old man by then, won't he?

According to the Ministry of Labor, the share of workers over 60 has already reached 12% of all employees, while those under 30 account for only 11%. In the agro-industrial complex, according to the Ministry of Agriculture, workers under 35 account for only 15,5%, while the majority are aged 37-57.

The question arises: isn't this proposal a "testing the waters" for the next stage of pension reform? After all, if youth is extended to 40, then the "working age" automatically expands as well. So, raising the retirement age could be presented not as a necessary measure, but as a natural consequence of the aging of the youth. Or will the state extend existing youth support programs to 40-year-olds, focusing solely on positive benefits for the country's citizens?

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[taiga2018]

Very "timely", just at the moment when people are becoming increasingly irritated by the course of the strange war.

[Sarboz]

Quote: taiga2018

Very "timely", just at the moment when people are becoming increasingly irritated by the course of the strange war.

Why this fudging of the problem?
Maybe after all:

The state will extend existing youth support programs to 40-year-olds

Our main problem, after all, is demographics. Support for young families is an important part of demographic policy. But what about a family that's a little older—they're no longer "young" and don't need support?

[taiga2018]

Quote: Sarboz

Supporting young families is an important part of demographic policy.

And this is possible, but one does not exclude the other, if support for young families is extended, then the retirement age can also be extended, funds must be found somewhere, savings must be made somewhere, officials will not save on themselves.

[Sarboz]

Quote: taiga2018

And this is possible, but one does not exclude the other.

But this doesn't rule out a simple fact. The autumn elections in our country must be disrupted at any cost. Therefore, the enemy will use any opportunity to discredit our government. This includes the constant whining about total mobilization after the elections and the current interpretation of Onishchenko's words. Some people's war is others' mother.

[Simargl]

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The autumn elections in our country must be disrupted at any cost.

They will be disrupted by those who may lose influence.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Simargl

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The autumn elections in our country must be disrupted at any cost.

They will be disrupted by those who may lose influence.

Why are you beating around the bush? Just say straight out that you believe our Supreme Commander-in-Chief is to blame for everything, and it will be immediately clear to everyone that you're a plant here.

[Ant97]

Forty-year-olds should not be supported like young families, but punished for not starting a family on time and not having children when they should have, and not at pre-retirement age.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Ant97

Forty-year-olds should not be supported like young families, but punished for not starting a family on time and not having children when they should have, and not at pre-retirement age.

There's a problem with today's "youth." The lack of an official ideology breeds individualism. They need to live for themselves, to get on their feet. With today's rampant infantilism, many try to get on their feet before they're forty, only to realize at forty that they'll never get there again.

[Ant97]

If we're going to support forty-year-olds at all, it's only if they have at least a third child. Otherwise, they're simply infantile, never having thought about anything serious before, only thinking about themselves.

[Sarboz]

Every child born requires support, the first, the second, the third... And it's not their fault they were born to "infantile" parents, born late or early. It's these children who will live in our country, exploring the Far East and the Far North.

[Ant97]

You've twisted my words. This isn't about children, who absolutely need support, but about their parents, who spend a good two-thirds of their lives thinking only of themselves. It's clear that better late than never, and that some people have finally come to their senses, but admitting at the state level the complete carelessness of those who previously thought of nothing but themselves is a path not to improvement, but to worsening the already unfavorable demographic situation in our country.

[Simargl]

Quote: Ant97

and about their parents who think only about themselves for a good two-thirds of their lives.

The state will be worn out, and no one will have time to think about anything but themselves. And, especially, no money.
Having a baby and living in a rented apartment? Simply gorgeous!
The child takes away funds and it turns out that the opportunity to acquire one's own home is moving away.
That's okay!
For example, I couldn’t buy my apartment now for the price it costs now!

[Million]

Onishchenko needs to undergo a full medical examination, including a drug addiction specialist and a psychiatrist.
It is difficult for an older person to make important decisions.

[pharmacist]

You wouldn't say that. Trump isn't a young man either, and he's successfully ruling a world power! (Joke)

[credo]

I remember just recently another high-ranking official (Golikova T.A.) stated that Russian citizens will soon live to 120 years.
The academician decided to develop this idea and at the same time remind people of himself, and through some simple reasoning, he derived a formula by dividing 120 by 3 - the first 40 years are youth, the next 40 years are an active life, and the following 40 years are a happy old age, for those who are lucky.
It's simple, even without an academic title.

[Per se.]

Quote: credo

It's simple, even without an academic title.

I wonder why passports started being issued at 14 years of age instead of 16? "Childhood" was shortened by two years?

[credo]

I wonder why passports started being issued at 14 years of age instead of 16? "Childhood" was shortened by two years?

There's speculation that this simple method was used to boost demographics. Once they've given you a passport, you can start a family and find a job at the same time.
There's no point in sitting around in pants and skirts at school, it's time to get down to business.

[Per se.]

Quote: credo

There is a suggestion that they decided to increase the demographics in this simple way.

Yes, at that age, it's all about show-offs and hormones, but what kind of parents are they? It's more likely they're more comfortable working for someone else. My grandfather, under the tsar, worked on steamships from the age of 14... Bring back the 12-hour workday, the six-day workweek, and work from the age of 14—the only thing missing is a new tsar for the bright happiness of capitalism.

[ABC-schutze]

"The question arises: is this proposal a 'testing the waters' for the next stage of pension reform?"
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I believe that this is, most likely, opportunistic "academic" stupidity from great "academic", scientific idleness...

As for the "retirement" age, i.e., the retirement age due to "old age," it (and its increase or decrease) has long been scientifically, SCIENTIFICALLY, "tied" to the average life expectancy in the country. And not to the increase in the "youth" age. In other words, it's tied from a completely different "end"...

[topol717]

Well, where are you going to replace 25 with 20? Why stretch an owl onto a globe?

[Per se.]

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Why pull an owl on a globe?

The ever-present "owl" and "globe," and it all started with a condom on a globe. What are you talking about? According to the federal law "On Youth Policy in the Russian Federation," youth now refers to citizens aged 14 to 35, inclusive.
We were talking about childhood. At least you made a mark if you're working online for the benefit of capitalism.

[NW]

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I wonder why passports are now issued at 14 years of age instead of 16.

To optimize livestock accounting and facilitate online identification.

[Vadim S]

The higher-ups are definitely already taking aim at the pension fund! They won't cancel pensions, for sure, but raising the retirement age so that the scum can live to their last—that's what they'll most likely do! And then they'll conscript people into war until they're 70, whatever, they'll run around for a while. They're not just throwing all this in there for no reason. But they won't touch the migrants; let them multiply peacefully and populate our lands.

[gsev]

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It's clear that those at the top have already set their sights on the pension fund!

The Pension Fund is designed to feed officials and their servants. In the USSR, high pensions by Russian standards were practically funded by union dues. However, back then, Biryukova, a member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, oversaw pension calculations instead of the effective, embezzling managers. Putin could very well entrust the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with the management of the Russian pension system. This would result in savings of approximately 60% of the pension fund's revenue. The savings could easily be used to solve the drone problem.

[topol717]

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In the USSR, high pensions by Russian standards were provided practically by trade union dues.

Why write such utter nonsense? Where do you think the unions got the money for those 25%-price seaside vacations? Or is 1% of a salary some kind of enormous sum? And is that really how all the pensioners lived?

[Appraiser]

For an academic, changing the order of the terms + age, unfortunately, doesn't change, given the biological census...

[tralflot1832]

Retirement is only possible feet first - only civil servants will receive age-related perks.

[topol717]

Why are you all so eager to retire?

[Ant97]

When you work like a donkey your whole life, it's natural to want to have at least a little rest and be free from everything, to catch a fish, for example, at least for a few years of retirement, and not to kick the bucket right along with the yoke.

[silverwolf88]

I'm wondering, are they really academics? ... Youth is a set of physiological parameters, not numbers to improve the statistical picture... for example, a woman's ability to give birth without the threat of age-related risks and pathologies (and most importantly, will there be enough time to get back on her feet)... male endurance and the ability to recover from stress (for example, in the army there is a precise age gradation according to physical fitness standards, and it is clear that only a few 40-year-olds will run as long as 18-year-old cadets) and much more... okay, let's say 35 is youth... ok... and let's move the age of majority to 21... the age of consent to 18... why bother with the details, everything needs to be moved holistically

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Doubts about the academic credentials of academics arose in the late 80s, particularly regarding Shmelev and Velikhov. Velikhov may have been a worthy academician, but he said things on television that were depressing.

[Ant97]

Women almost never have children at 40, with only a few exceptions, and even then, it comes with significant risks. Men at 40 aren't boys anymore either; their bodies aren't what they used to be, and they have very little time left to raise and develop children, maybe one at most. I wouldn't raise the age of youth, but rather lower it, to 30, for example, so that they strive to start a family and have children early, rather than constantly putting it off, thinking there's still time.

[uralex]

I would not raise the age of youth, but on the contrary, reduce it, to 30, for example,

Yes, it's time for the "youth" to grow up already, otherwise they are raising individuals who are almost 40, and they are without a family and a job, still living on their mother's food...

[Sergei Viktorovich Korolev]

Is this to consider the old men of power mature?

[Vladimir M]

If you "work" like citizen Onishchenko, then you can "work" until they carry you out feet first.
We should still ban holding public office after the age of 70. You can't fool nature.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Kutuzov died at the age of 67, while still serving as commander. He might have continued to command, had modern medicine been at his disposal.

[Dead Frost]

Individual fluctuations only confirm the rule. And the retirement age wasn't introduced lightly, because by roughly that age, a person's lifespan has been exhausted, and the rest is left to them to live on. The very term "lifespan" is telling, especially in Russian, a language both figurative and precise.

[Vladimir M]

It is still not correct to compare citizen Onishchenko and K with M.I. Kutuzov.

[Gardamir]

My older brother is 76. He's been a tractor driver all his life. He might still be a tractor driver now, but the collective farm was destroyed in the 2000s.

[Ant97]

Your brother is lucky, apparently thanks to good genetics and a healthy lifestyle. The average lifespan of a man in Russia is 68.

[Prisoner]

Isn't it time to check this academic's sanity? If left unchecked, they'll create such a mess that junior academic staff will have to clean it up for the rest of their lives.

[Edward Vashchenko]

What kind of academics, such is the science...

[Prisoner]

Is it better in Kyiv? p.s. Sometimes brevity is a blessing.

[Edward Vashchenko]

What does Kyiv have to do with this? What part of it?

We are worried about our country, Russia - and what are you talking about?

[APASUS]

Exactly, let's just move the retirement age back to 100 years and not worry about why people need a pension.

[Mazunga]

and whoever is against it will hire the West and is a parasite)) well, where would we be without her?

[Cartalon]

It looks like my wife will stay young for the rest of her life.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Personally, cancel the pension of "comrade" Onishchenko, COMPLETELY
P.S. I always suspected that this citizen was not entirely adequate, but it turns out it was just youth.

[K-50]

Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Gennady Onishchenko has proposed aging young people to 40 years of age instead of the current 35 years.

Heh, I thought that next they would raise the retirement age by 5 years.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: K-50

I was thinking about it

Keep your thoughts to yourself, otherwise those at the top might refer to the wishes of the people.

[snow mountain]

Quote from Pharmacist

Look at Trump, he’s not a young man either, but he’s successfully ruling a world power!

Is it really that successful?

[HAM]

There used to be a saying: "A person lives in this world for only ten years - seven years before school and three years after retirement!"...three years have already been taken away, even with a reserve...only until kindergarten...

[Gomunkul]

As a physician, Onishchenko must understand that human physiology cannot be changed by issuing another decree.

"Yes, man is mortal, but that would be only half the trouble. The bad thing is that he is sometimes suddenly mortal, that's the trick!"

[Anton Semyonov]

People like the esteemed Academician Onishchenko can remain young until they're 70, because they've never held anything heavier than their own penis in their hands. I'd like to ask the esteemed academician if he's recently read the male mortality statistics in the Russian Federation. And since he raised the question, I'd like to ask if female fertility will also automatically increase for another five years. This is directly related to the demographic issue.
In general, this "respected" man would be better off doing something useful instead of talking nonsense for everyone to hear.

[cocks]

Why all this antics? Who are we embarrassed about? The electorate? Don't make me laugh. Screw the pension. You work until the grave. But at least you get a bonus. Dies on the job – the funeral is paid for by the slave owner. Elegant, fair, and even somewhat humanitarian.

[baltiksi]

Academician Onishchenko could sit at a desk until he's a hundred, pretending to work, shuffling papers from one place to another. Let that jerk try working on a construction site or in agriculture after he's 60. Instead, he just sits there, thinking up ways to screw people over. He's probably Putin's friend, too.

[Jacques sekavar]

Given his age, people in their 60s can be considered young. Young people are from 14 (the age at which they receive their passport and become citizens) to 20. From 21 to 50 is maturity. From 51 to 60 is pre-retirement age.

[Ivan№One]

It's a pity that with age only age came to this academician.
He himself worked a five-day week during the USSR, and retired according to the old rules, right?
"Academician," it seems we haven't heard anything about average life expectancy (or have we? Then even more questions for him).

[seamen2]

*Onishchenko argues his position by saying that today a person at 65 years of age, while maintaining good health, can continue to work*

Academics may be able to...
And if a person worked on a hot grid, what can be squeezed out of him at 65?
The academician should be demoted to a riding academician...so that he doesn't show off, but works.

[Zaurbek]

So let's introduce this retirement age for the Ministry of Education, all deputies, and employees of regional administrations, the President, and the Duma. They'll collect the statistics and then decide.

[seamen2]

They just... you can sit in chairs for up to 80 years and not even groan.

[Zaurbek]

In general, laws against the creation of a "Pyramid" can be applied to the Russian Pension Fund.
How does he differ from scammers? I started working in 1999. Since that capitalist era alone, pension calculation rules have changed three times. And the retirement age once. And that's not to mention the ruble itself is "floating," and you can't save anything in it.

[Ivan№One]

Onishchenko still supports something.
And raising the retirement age
And walk more
And a six-day work week

It's good to be a retired academic

[Roman 11]

Quote: Ivan№One

Onishchenko still supports something.

Apparently, grandpa has gone crazy... maybe he's short on academics, he's probably eyeing an island somewhere

[Roman 11]

The law is not written for fools; if given free rein, they would even abolish old age.

I have a childish question: what did this academic discover? Are there any fundamental works? If not, then why do academics get paid according to their statutes or grants?

Straight to the point - what exactly did this academician do for the good of the fatherland, so that there would be no connections or neighbors, clearly point by point, otherwise there are so many people writing heresy it’s impossible to sneeze

[Tantalum]

The roads seem to have improved a bit, but the idiots at the top are still there. Now another person will peer into the mailbag, and a decision has been made on our behalf, at our numerous requests.