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Tsakhal is ready for any development of the situation in the north of the country.

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Tsakhal is ready for any development of the situation in the north of the country.

Fast and accurate: will the next war in northern Israel look like this? Ofer Sidon joined the extreme teachings of the 401 th armored brigade of the Israel Defense Forces and returned with personal impressions and photographs.


What will be the next war on the Northern Front? It will most likely be different from the last two wars in Lebanon and, in all likelihood, will include a ground operation involving tanks. The Israel Defense Forces Command (IDF) believes that, unlike the Pillar of Fire operation in the Gaza Strip in November 2012, when the IDF limited themselves to only high-precision weaponsIn any scenario of a future conflict in the north, a ground operation will be inevitable.


Tsakhal is preparing for a confrontation on the Northern Front, which is likely to include firing on Israel’s territory by the enemy. It may also include the potential breakthrough of terrorists across the border into Israeli territory, within the framework of a possible future confrontation between the forces of Tsakhal and the militants of global jihad that have already taken positions along the Syrian border on the Golan Heights.

An example of the nature of the future standoff could be seen at the end of the winter of 2013, during the exercises of the 52 tank battalion, which was part of the large-scale exercises of the IDN armored brigade under the command of Colonel Saar Tzur. The exercises were held at the training ground on the Golan Heights, to which we joined.



The purpose of the exercise was to master the capture of the territories in which the missiles aimed at Israel were deployed. The 401 armored brigade under the command of Colonel Zur is armed with the latest IDF main battle tanks - the Merkava Mark-IV. In addition, the brigade’s tanks are equipped with the Raphael Trophy (Aspro-A) production defense complex, which protects them against anti-tank threats. Part of the tasks of the 52 th battalion under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Udi was to develop combat operations with flexible, mobile infantry units equipped with anti-tank weapons.

This scenario does not constitute a classic war of tanks against tanks, but, in the opinion of the commanders, "the new Merkava tank is well equipped and adapted to new types of combat operations." Tank Merkava is maneuverable and has excellent characteristics of terrain. His KAZ Trophy provides effective protection against antitank threats. The tank's fire control system is efficient and accurate, it allows you to choose a target among tanks, capture it and hold the capture even during the rapid movement of the tank itself over rough terrain. Other systems allow crew members to analyze the terrain and choose in advance the optimal route of movement, preferably remaining outside the field of view of the enemy.



These aggregations of capabilities allow the brigade to fulfill the task set by the commander: to move quickly into the enemy’s territory, without stopping or delaying. The brigade's command believes that rapid advancement will minimize the loss of tanks and casualties among their crews and will allow them to catch the enemy unawares and quickly capture the territory.

Other elements of combat scenarios include the use of Skylark UAVs from Elbit Systems. A small, inconspicuous UAV, which is in service with the IDF artillery corps, quietly circling over the combat zone, provides units with real-time intelligence, including information about the enemy’s position. Armored forces receive additional support from an artillery battery covering various targets.



The exercise began with a night march through open areas, during which troops had to overcome obstacles, such as steep climbs, deep crevices and streams. During the night march the battalion was accompanied by a combat detachment of engineering troops that prepared the aisles for tanks in various obstacles. The culmination of the exercise was the daily attack and the seizure of the enemy village. This task involves a war in urban development, fighting almost from house to house in order to clear the village of enemy forces. To accomplish this task, an infantry company from the Nahal Brigade was included as an integral part of the target group of the battalion. The infantry advanced after the tanks on the M-113 armored personnel carrier, and after breaking through into the city building, they dismounted and independently made their way through the village.



Heavy tanks advanced along the outskirts of the village and along the main routes through it covering the infantrymen. In addition, heavy armored tanks were used to evacuate the wounded during the fighting. During the exercises, the commander of the Saar brigade issued various unplanned orders for the battalion commander Udi in order to study the battalion’s ability to adapt to the changing combat situation. In this context, the brigade commander removed some tanks from the battlefield as victims of the fighting, where it was necessary to quickly evacuate the wounded crew members from the damaged tanks and transport them to the battalion’s medical center. At the same time, the damaged tanks themselves were towed out of the combat zone by serviceable tanks. This task is now performed more efficiently: the tanks are equipped with a special device installed in their front end that allows you to quickly connect to the damaged tank and tow it away.



The exercise was under the scrutiny of the commander of the Northern District of the IDF, Major General Noam Tibon, and the Commander of the armored forces of Brig. General Ofer Tsafrir. They arrived to personally verify the capabilities of the brigade and conduct a "debriefing" taking into account the technical side of the use of tanks and systems installed on them, as well as assigned tasks and their actual implementation.
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  1. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 28 May 2013 08: 25 New
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    The brave Georgian also thought that Uncle Sam would get involved for him and, as it turned out, he would have better not thought so.
    The brave Tsahal, without wiping away the tears that flow in streams along the faces of the Zionists, is also confident in his invulnerability and loyalty to the overseas ally, but forgot about Iran, Russia and the unyielding Syrian.
    What if Sam will go as it always did in its entire history - namely, divorce nix, and after primknot to the winners or the feeling that the smell of fried and did run away?
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 28 May 2013 08: 55 New
      +8
      Georgia actually had the opportunity to win only if the United States or NATO joined, there was also a small chance that, after heavy losses, we would go to the world (Georgians also suffered heavy losses). And what happened is the most optimal option, without significant human casualties.

      Israel has a much better chance of winning.

      There are also Turks, who can chop off part of the territories under the guise. But there are Iranians who might get in the war.

      There is no point in starting this Syria Massacre now. If it happens, then it will be launched by Israel, which is rapidly losing state support.
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      2. Containers
        Containers 28 May 2013 09: 48 New
        +8
        "Georgia actually had the opportunity to win only if the United States or NATO connects" sounds like "Oh, and we smelled, said the fly, sitting on the tractor"
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 28 May 2013 10: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Kosha
          "Georgia actually had the opportunity to win only if the United States or NATO connects" sounds like "Oh, and we smelled, said the fly, sitting on the tractor"


          Well, suppose the second part of my post, says that Georgia had a chance to inflict significant losses on us and end the war, losing the same territories that they lost. They organized the defense along the border of Ossetia for a long time. Armed well enough. It seems that they were even considered the strongest army in the Caucasus after ours.
          1. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 12: 14 New
            +4
            Well, suppose the second part of my post, says that Georgia had a chance to inflict significant losses on us and end the war, losing the same territories that they lost. They organized the defense along the border of Ossetia for a long time. Armed well enough. It seems that they were even considered the strongest army in the Caucasus after ours.

            The fact is that the plan of the Georgians did not include a military clash with Russia. They hoped to quickly close the Roki tunnel and storm Tskhinvali. The swift transfer of Russian troops to South Ossetia led the Georgians into a stupor. At first, they could not decide whether to fight or to flee, hoping for the intercession of the West. As a result, they adopted the second option, trying to save as much technology as possible.
            1. zvereok
              zvereok 28 May 2013 12: 49 New
              +1
              The border positions were very well equipped. There were a large number of weapons at military bases. Already after the news of the clashes with the Russian army, there was an attempt to gather reservists and attack the Russian fleet.

              Georgia in the highlands had ALL CHANCE to inflict tangible losses on the Russian army. And the fact that they did not do this, well, gloriously fewer people on both sides were killed. And our government in the person of Medvedev, an extremely successful decision, did not go into enemy territories, becoming drawn into a guerrilla war.
              1. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 13: 06 New
                -5
                I think you're exaggerating. They did not try to attack the Russian fleet. Reservists gathered and immediately dispersed. And most importantly, there was no clear plan for maintaining the database.
                1. shamil
                  shamil 28 May 2013 13: 21 New
                  +4
                  Look in YouTube the battle of Russian ships with Georgian. How ours bent them
                2. zvereok
                  zvereok 28 May 2013 14: 16 New
                  +3
                  A Georgian missile boat was sunk, the rest were sunk in Poti by an assault.
                  1. Professor
                    28 May 2013 14: 22 New
                    -4
                    Quote: zvereok
                    A Georgian missile boat was sunk, the rest were sunk in Poti by an assault.

                    He was not, after the war he was sunk at the pier in Poti.
                    1. zvereok
                      zvereok 28 May 2013 14: 41 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      He was not, after the war he was sunk at the pier in Poti.


                      Where did you get the information?
                      1. Professor
                        28 May 2013 14: 53 New
                        -2
                        Quote: zvereok
                        Where did you get the information?

                        Already twice posted on this site his photo after the war. The question remains: who was sunk by the Black Sea Fleet and where did the Moldovan bulk carrier go?
                      2. zvereok
                        zvereok 28 May 2013 14: 59 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        The question remains: who was sunk by the Black Sea Fleet and where did the Moldovan bulk carrier go?


                        According to Wikipedia, for example, a seiner and not a bulk carrier and not Moldavian. Moldovan authorities handed a note of protest to our ambassador?

                        There were five Boats, or some other craft, which, without responding, went to intercept the Russian fleet. One is sunk, one is sunk and then sunk at Poti. Apparently his photo was laid out.
                      3. Armata
                        Armata 28 May 2013 15: 08 New
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                        Quote: zvereok
                        According to Wikipedia, for example, a seiner and not a bulk carrier and not Moldavian. Moldovan authorities handed a note of protest to our ambassador?
                        Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (GDP) If you continue to manage a country on Wikipedia, there’s nothing to lead it to. There everyone stupidly lies who are not too lazy to write.
                      4. zvereok
                        zvereok 28 May 2013 15: 11 New
                        +3
                        I'm curious, but the Moldovan dry cargo ship is this documented information? I gave similar information from Wikipedia to similar information.
                      5. Armata
                        Armata 28 May 2013 15: 46 New
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                        Quote: zvereok
                        I'm curious, but the Moldovan dry cargo ship is this documented information? I gave similar information from Wikipedia to similar information.
                        But I'm curious. Do you even think what a fishing vessel could do, and do you even know the range of this vessel?
                      6. zvereok
                        zvereok 28 May 2013 20: 28 New
                        +2
                        Please explain to me, dear, where did the information about the fact that the Moldavian bulk carrier was part of the boats sailing towards the Russian ships?
                      7. ed65b
                        ed65b 28 May 2013 23: 30 New
                        +3
                        They smuggled wine.
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          3. Bashkaus
            Bashkaus 28 May 2013 23: 06 New
            +2
            He personally got it from the bottom and towed it to Poti. So there was no naval battle. But nothing wakes up a holiday on our street, when we wake up smiling and say "there was no USA"
          4. zvereok
            zvereok 29 May 2013 00: 50 New
            +1
            I hope you do not argue that England was?

            It is this reef ....
  2. zvereok
    zvereok 28 May 2013 14: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    Reservists gathered and immediately dispersed.


    Not just parted - partly scattered, partly dead. There, near one of the points, the rocket seems to have fallen. Probably "Accurate." Further, there was probably an order to cancel the collection of reservists.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 42 New
    +1
    The reservist service there was very low. Only a few units received good training - about 2000 people, most of whom were in foreign missions.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 28 May 2013 14: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      The reservist service there was very low.


      Who is to blame? Russia? USA? US citizen Saakashvili? or Georgian Defense Ministry?

      I have already forgotten a lot from this conflict, but I remember exactly the forces and means for defending the frontiers prepared for many of the part of the 58 army that Georgia introduced to Ossetia in plenty. Georgians did not use them. This is actually for the best.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 14: 37 New
        -1
        I am not talking about who is to blame or not to blame. I consider from a purely analytical point of view. The concept of building the Georgian army, and indeed the general approach, was fundamentally wrong. In addition, they were strongly crippled by the corruption traditional for the countries of the former USSR.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 28 May 2013 14: 45 New
          +3
          I mean the same thing - the Georgians had chances to hold out for some time on the defensive (so that the Allies put pressure on Medvedev), but they did not even try to use them. It seemed that the commanders had set off to defend Tbilisi, leaving the troops entrusted to them. Equipment and weapons were thrown and were subsequently taken as trophies. This is not defense or retreat, it is a stampede.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 27 New
            -4
            They well understood that there was no chance. That is, at those points where they were. And they gathered forces for the defense of the capital and major cities.
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 29 May 2013 00: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: Pimply
          The concept of building the Georgian army, and indeed the general approach, was fundamentally wrong

          So there seems to be both a concept and a common approach - NATO. Does NATO have fundamentally wrong concepts and approaches? How are they going to fight? laughing

          Quote: Pimply
          In addition, they were strongly crippled by the corruption traditional for the countries of the former USSR.

          Well, you all say Saakashvili defeated corruption, Georgian traffic cops are expelled, they are crystal-clear! Looks like all the traffic cops, who took bribes, went to the army? laughing
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 May 2013 00: 35 New
            0
            There is no single approach.
            In theory, with such goals, they have in vain abandoned the draft army. A professional army is more problematic on a number of issues.

            Quote: bot.su
            Well, you all say Saakashvili defeated corruption, Georgian traffic cops are expelled, they are crystal-clear! Looks like all the traffic cops, who took bribes, went to the army?

            In fact, the campaign was so. But seriously - just corruption has gone to a higher level. That is, it remained there, but in the whole country - it decreased
          2. zvereok
            zvereok 29 May 2013 01: 00 New
            +1
            Those. everything was bad in the Georgian army, despite the president of the US citizen, the presence of true democracy, the presence of US military assistance, the presence of Fin. US aid, and the second army after Russia in the Caucasus?

            What the hell then the USA climbs into the Caucasus if impotent?
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 29 May 2013 01: 26 New
            +1
            Well, let's go without these slogans and chants. We have a serious conversation and a serious assessment of the situation. There was neither serious US financial assistance, nor a president - a citizen of the USA, nor the truth of democracy. The second army after Russia in the Caucasus - well, maybe. With a stretch of strength. 32 thousand regular bayonets, of which a couple of brigades and weak aviation have more or less decent training ... Well, this is not an army.

            USA is not impotent. They provide this or that help to a huge number of countries. Sooner or later it sprouts.
          4. zvereok
            zvereok 29 May 2013 01: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            Well, let's go without these slogans and chants. We have a serious conversation and a serious assessment of the situation. There wasn’t any serious financial assistance to the USA,

            I can’t justify it now. But I’ll try tomorrow.

            Quote: Pimply

            neither the president is a U.S. citizen,

            nor the truth of democracy.
            Quote: Pimply

            Here I probably agree, including with the fact that corruption has gone to a higher level. This is both good and bad.


            Quote: Pimply

            The second army after Russia in the Caucasus - well, maybe. With a stretch of strength.


            Already looks like Azerbaijan. Not very good, but what to do.

            Quote: Pimply

            32 thousands of regular bayonets, of which a couple of brigades and weak aviation have more or less decent training ... Well, this is not an army.


            Those. 4-5 of consolidated countries with the 2-th army will be able to defend themselves from the 1-th ... They returned to the time of the Caucasian wars, only Turkey is not the same.

            Quote: Pimply

            USA is not impotent. They provide this or that help to a huge number of countries. Sooner or later it sprouts.


            In his last actions he is very reminiscent of him. He wants but cannot.
          5. Pimply
            Pimply 29 May 2013 03: 39 New
            0
            No. They just try. Somewhere works, somewhere not. They don’t lose anything special. Where their interests are really important, and the amounts are different, and situations.
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          7. OTAKE
            OTAKE 29 May 2013 06: 33 New
            +5
            Quote: posad
            You see, he wants to say that we didn’t have any victory 00808, we have nothing to be proud of, because Georgia had a weak army and our victory is scanty. But the Jewish army is the coolest, Jewish heroes. Not that the Russians.
            You give him facts and logic, and he tells you lies and hate. This is a Jew.

            If you take into account what losses Russia suffered in manpower and equipment, then there is nothing special to be proud of, it can even be called a stretch war, if without show-offs it is more likely a special operation, but agitprop is agitprop, it’s not worth even comparing with Israel, there would be enough air force alone for Georgia to agree to a peaceful settlement.
          8. posad
            posad 29 May 2013 12: 14 New
            0
            Well, what are the losses? Do not forget - we fought with the army, but with a crowd of armed people
          9. OTAKE
            OTAKE 29 May 2013 12: 26 New
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            Quote: posad
            Well, what are the losses? Do not forget - we fought with the army, but with a crowd of armed people

            And I didn’t forget) Losses that could have been avoided by having complete dominance in the air and being 100500 times superior in manpower and armored vehicles)
          10. posad
            posad 29 May 2013 12: 28 New
            0
            Wow - the great commander. Did you serve in the army?
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 29 May 2013 13: 11 New
        0
        Quote: OTAKE
        If you take into account what losses Russia suffered in manpower and equipment, then there is nothing special to be proud of, it can even be called a war with a stretch, if without show-offs this is more like a special operation,


        There was no absolute superiority in manpower. The first days of the war, the Georgian army had superiority, and the war was extremely fleeting. There was dominance in the air, but Georgian aviation also worked on goals. Moreover, Georgia unexpectedly for Russia turned out to have a weak air defense sold to it earlier by different countries and transmitted immediately before the conflict. By the way, transmitted secretly according to some (unconfirmed) information, it was also equipped with ami and removed from combat duty. Note secretly, and not as we have been talking about Syrian C-300 for a month now.

        Quote: OTAKE
        there, the Air Force alone would be enough for Georgia to agree to a peaceful settlement.


        Well, of course, if Saakashvili expected US assistance, it would not be enough.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 29 May 2013 13: 26 New
        0
        Georgian aviation did not work. As it became clear that Russia intervened in the conflict, the aircraft were hidden.

        If we talk about manpower - there really was no superiority in it.
  • zvereok
    zvereok 29 May 2013 13: 45 New
    0
    Quote: zvereok
    Quote: Pimply
    Well, let's go without these slogans and chants. We have a serious conversation and a serious assessment of the situation. There wasn’t any serious financial assistance to the USA,

    I can’t justify it now. But I’ll try tomorrow.


    http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikmir/156679-rol-gruzii-vo-vneshnepolitichesko
    y-strategii-ssha.html

    Paragraph 2.2
    "2.2 Economic" Assistance "USA Georgia



    Speaking about the economic cooperation between the USA and Georgia, one cannot but say about the financial assistance provided by the States to Georgia. Currently, Georgia receives more American aid per capita than any other country in the world (except Israel). "

    In addition to financial assistance, the US is actively investing in Georgia. The amount of investment per capita (4,5 million people) is quite large.

    Well, military assistance, as already provided and the one in the plans.
  • zvereok
    zvereok 29 May 2013 00: 54 New
    0
    Quote: bot.su
    Well what are you, everyone says Saakashvili defeated corruption,


    100
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 29 May 2013 01: 06 New
    0
    Quote: bot.su
    Saakashvili defeated corruption

    Of course he won. I took all the money and valuables. Now they don’t give bribes - there’s nothing request
  • Oleg Rosskiyy
    Oleg Rosskiyy 29 May 2013 02: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    In addition, they were strongly crippled by the corruption traditional for the countries of the former USSR

    Corruption is a fruit of Western democracy, especially since in Israel it is no less, but they will not focus on it there, it will be more expensive for itself.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 May 2013 03: 40 New
      0
      Yes? Funny how is it in all societies, including being quite serious in the USSR? Moreover, with a democratic system - normal, and not its appearance - the level of corruption is noticeably lower. Mystic.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 29 May 2013 10: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Pimply
      with a democratic system - normal, and not its appearance - the level of corruption is noticeably lower. Mystic.

      No mysticism, everything is elementary simple. As soon as parts of society rise above the law, make compliance with the general rules optional for themselves, this part immediately begins to use it for their pleasure. A bad example is always infectious than good request
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 29 May 2013 13: 32 New
      0
      No, they just convince me that corruption is an invention of democracy 8)
  • SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 2 June 2013 18: 20 New
    0
    And I think the Georgians in their mass did not want to fight with the Russians, but they either fought youngsters or scumbags ... Chegoito, I believe in the friendship of peoples ..
  • beard999
    beard999 28 May 2013 17: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: Pimply
    Only a few units received good training - about 2000 people, most of whom were in foreign missions

    You are wrong. Significantly more than 2000 troops underwent training. In 2002-2004 The 18-month Georgia Train and Equip Program (instructors from the US and UK ILCs) was implemented. The program went through the 112th commando battalion, the 116th Sachkher mountain rifle battalion, the 111th Telavsky light infantry battalion, the 113th Shavnabad light infantry battalion, the mixed armored company, as well as a number of units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the border guard. In 2005-2006, the Georgia Sustainment and Stability Operations Program I (GSSOP I) was implemented. Instructors from the USA prepared 3 infantry battalions (brigade) in the amount of 2000 people. In 2006-2007 implemented the GSSOP II program. The 1st Infantry Brigade passed through it. Thus, over 6 years, from 2002 to 2008, a total of about 6000 military personnel were trained. And most of them, in August 2008, were in Georgia, and not abroad (with the exception of three infantry battalions in Afghanistan).
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 May 2013 18: 31 New
      0
      Typo, litter. About 2000 (a little more) were at that time in Georgia.

      They did not receive training at one time, but for 6 years. That is - a banal rotation of military personnel, access to the reserve, etc. Some of the programs were a continuation of the programs that have already taken place.

      From the spring of 2005 to the fall of 2006, the new American Armed Forces training program, the Georgia Sustainment and Stability Operations Program, was implemented, which covered the 22nd, 23rd and 31st light infantry battalions, 1st battalion support battalions and the 2nd Infantry Brigade, as well as the reconnaissance company of the 2nd Infantry Brigade and a separate company of the military police. The second Georgia Sustainment and Stability Operations Program II program began in the fall of 2006 and ended in the summer of 2007. Within the framework of this program, the 32nd and 33rd light infantry battalions, the 3rd infantry brigade support battalion, its reconnaissance and chemical engineering company, the communications company, and the engineering and communications company of the 2nd infantry brigade were trained.

      That is, conditionally - 3 brigades, most of which were absent at the time of the conflict. So there were few really combat-ready units there.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 28 May 2013 20: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply


        They did not receive training at one time, but for 6 years. That is - a banal rotation of military personnel, access to the reserve, etc. Some of the programs were a continuation of the programs that have already taken place.



        Those. Americans training troops do not understand the specifics of a Georgian officer, who, even trained by American instructors, does not train his colleagues, creating army traditions. Therefore, when a trained officer leaves the reserve, the Americans will have to train a new one ... Or am I wrong somewhere?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 20: 55 New
          0
          They trained not only officers. They trained in units, that is, all from officers to privates. The officers had individual individual training courses, approximately the same as when officers came to Russia to study from other countries. Only in NATO are not common training cycles more common, but term courses
        2. zvereok
          zvereok 28 May 2013 22: 56 New
          +1
          I cannot argue with you; you have much deeper knowledge of how the NATO bloc functions.

          Just clearly from your words, in my worldview - it turns out that the Americans did not make an army for Georgia, but they procured meat for Afghanistan. Moreover, as someone from Georgia wrote on this forum, Georgia itself pays for the contents of 1000-2000 $.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 03 New
          +1
          Americans pursue their interests. The usual thing. And training is returning too - with the country's loyalty, new markets, support for its own military-industrial complex, etc.

          Georgians also have this. And the army, trained in real combat conditions, and the supply of weapons, and training, and soft loans.

          Everyone plays his part and has his own benefit. But do not forget that everyone also has their own interest.
        4. zvereok
          zvereok 29 May 2013 01: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          Americans pursue their interests.


          No, here in fact it turns out that the Americans satisfied their interests (not all probably, but how much they could), Georgia received a defeated army, lost weapons and large debts (which the Americans, unlike the Mlyn, do not forgive from us). Russia received two allies and a base. And the rapprochement of relations with Georgia that are taking place.
        5. Pimply
          Pimply 29 May 2013 01: 29 New
          -2
          The Georgians received a defeated army, because they were too overwhelmed and did not calculate. A little better preparation, a little later attack - not in 2008, but in 2009 and or 2010 - and how to know what would have turned out. Georgia did not have the patience. And Russia, in fact, was very lucky in a number of cases.
        6. zvereok
          zvereok 29 May 2013 02: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          And Russia, in fact, was very lucky in a number of cases.


          Here is Mlyn, super !!. We all grow from there - just lucky or just not lucky ... Let's discuss the facts?
        7. Pimply
          Pimply 29 May 2013 03: 42 New
          0
          Facts - very lucky. With the stretch that they were. Let's start with the story of the tunnel? Or with the fact that the Georgians slowed down by storm? Remember the story with Khrulev or methods of establishing communication?
        8. Setrac
          Setrac 29 May 2013 12: 18 New
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          Quote: Pimply
          Facts - very lucky. With the stretch that they were. Let's start with the story of the tunnel? Or with the fact that the Georgians slowed down by storm? Remember the story with Khrulev or methods of establishing communication?

          Luck is the result of good preparation! Well, and accordingly, bad luck is a consequence of laziness, stupidity, ill-conceived actions, betrayal.
        9. Pimply
          Pimply 29 May 2013 13: 33 New
          0
          Unfortunately, there was often just luck. Good preparation is a separate issue.
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 29 May 2013 13: 59 New
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        What is the story of the tunnel? The fact that the Georgians could not blow it up? Do you call it luck?

        Slowed down the assault? By storm of what? Tskhinvali? So it was necessary to carry out artillery preparation from the city in a sleeping peaceful city, so that later in the Western media they could present this as aggression of the Russian Federation, but for now, if we figured it out in the west, the job would be done. By the way, Medvedev turned out to be a brake at the beginning of the war. I could not believe my eyes for two days, and there was no government statement at least.

        "Remember the story with Khrulev or methods of establishing communication?"

        Yes, but it’s good that this problem was revealed in those circumstances.
  • ultra
    ultra 28 May 2013 23: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Pimply
    . So there were few really combat-ready units there.

    So you want to say that the Georgians began the operation to capture South Ossetia without combat-ready units? A very bold assumption! hi
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 12 New
      -1
      I want to say that if Russia had not intervened, the units that they had were enough for the police operation they were planning.

      I think, despite the existence of a plan, for the Georgians this operation was also, in a sense, unexpected. They did not complete the normal rearmament; they did not establish the training of reservists.
    2. ultra
      ultra 28 May 2013 23: 58 New
      +3
      Tanks, MLRS, artillery is it for a "police" operation?
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 29 May 2013 00: 10 New
      +1
      Yes. Why not? You are not surprised at such weapons in the area of ​​large-scale police operations in Russia
    4. nerd.su
      nerd.su 29 May 2013 00: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Pimply
      You are not surprised at such weapons in the area of ​​large-scale police operations in Russia

      We are surprised. What you are hinting at is de facto considered a war. Even two.
    5. Pimply
      Pimply 29 May 2013 00: 39 New
      0
      Oh oh An armored personnel carrier in the city, work on greenbacks with artillery and aviation - and everything within Russia is a fairly regular topic. Why are divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs mainly working in the Caucasus? Because it's a police operation.
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  • zvereok
    zvereok 29 May 2013 01: 20 New
    +1
    What does a police operation mean? Shooting for peacekeepers? civilians? Breach of international obligations? Which of these?
  • Pimply
    Pimply 29 May 2013 01: 32 New
    -1
    Let's not move on to slogans - we are adults who soberly assess the situation. For Russia in this regard, more and more sins will be typed, just look at the statistics of the CTO in Chechnya, for an example. She's just stronger.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 May 2013 12: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Pimply
    Let's not move on to slogans - we are adults who soberly assess the situation. For Russia in this regard, more and more sins will be typed, just look at the statistics of the CTO in Chechnya, for an example. She's just stronger.

    Sound the sins of Russia! And specify who in Chechnya how to respond to such ambiguous messages.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 29 May 2013 13: 34 New
    -1
    What are civilian casualties in Chechnya? My acquaintance there works with teenagers with post-trauma injuries.
    This is an unpleasant topic, but does not mean that it is not.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 29 May 2013 13: 56 New
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    What are civilian casualties in Chechnya? My acquaintance there works with teenagers with post-trauma injuries.
    This is an unpleasant topic, but does not mean that it is not.

    So Russia did not start a war in Chechnya, but your friends from the CIA and MI5
  • SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 2 June 2013 18: 51 New
    0
    We are not talking about the sins of RUSSIA, but about the fact that Georgia attacked the sleeping peaceful city of OZO with artillery, tanks, and you are talking about the police operation? Why didn’t the Russian peacekeepers be warned about the operation, but attacked them? Bubble you change the flag! Or put on a mattress or with a mogendovid!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 28 May 2013 23: 28 New
    +3
    there was an attempt to gather reservists and attack the Russian fleet.
    I’m a honest word. You surprise me. Where have you been all this time? On the moon? Read all the reports with a minute-by-minute chronicle of the conflict and enough video and photo archives. And the reservists probably decided to attack the Black Sea fleet with inflatable bananas. laughing
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 29 May 2013 01: 27 New
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      I’m a honest word. You surprise me. Where have you been all this time? On the moon?


      Sorry, the union "or" did not insert. On this forum, it’s not very convenient for me to write text, and it’s not at all convenient to track the answers, plus the radio keyboard is the mother of her race.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 28 May 2013 17: 17 New
    0
    Absolutely right.
    1. Armata
      Armata 28 May 2013 18: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      absolutely true.
      Who is this for?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 28 May 2013 23: 24 New
    0
    trying to save as much technology as possible.
    What technique did they try to keep? Lada civilians. They threw everything and ran into the forests and valleys to their homes.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 29 May 2013 11: 15 New
      +1
      What technique did they try to keep? Lada civilians. They threw everything and ran into the forests and valleys to their homes.


      Well, for example, they didn’t take their aircraft into the air.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 29 May 2013 12: 01 New
        +1
        Please clarify which aircraft ?????????
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 May 2013 13: 36 New
          0
          Will we recount the aircraft piece by piece? No, I certainly understand that for you less than 1000 planes are not aviation
        2. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 29 May 2013 13: 54 New
          +1
          Well, for example, the Mi-24 (8 pieces EMNIP) had a chance to make a rustle. Su-25 also had. It is not without reason that there are so many losses of the Russian Air Force from friendly fire.
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 29 May 2013 15: 29 New
            0
            Georgia had a 0% chance to rustle. Total dominance in the air of Russian aviation was undeniable. It is like the USA and Iraq. Sadam also hid his planes. Did not help. In general, all these conversations that supposedly so if they do not make sense. there is what it is, namely, it was perfectly equipped and fostered by foreign advisers, including Israel, that it received from the Russians
            soldier. That's all.
  • SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 2 June 2013 18: 13 New
    0
    Day is a swift transfer?
  • Pimply
    Pimply 28 May 2013 12: 47 New
    0
    Not by that much. Really well, they had about one brigade trained. Their logic of action was based on the fact that Russia will not enter the war or will enter much later. For them, all the events were a surprise.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 28 May 2013 12: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: Pimply
      Really well, they had about one brigade trained.


      One brigade fought, and the rest of the army picking their nose or something? I repeat, the Georgians had enough weapons. They trained their army for several years, with the help of the USA, Turkey / Israel (a strange couple?) Of Ukraine, some countries of the former Warsaw Pact. It could well organize a defense and calculate all the possibilities.
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 13: 08 New
        0
        They trained their army for several years, with the help of the USA of Turkey / Israel (a strange couple?)


        The Americans prepared them for shipment to Iraq. This was the price of American military assistance. The remaining countries were represented by private firms. Why not, since Georgians are willing to pay for tuition.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 15: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Tourist Breakfast
          Why not, since Georgians are willing to pay for tuition.

          Georgians do not pay for training, the Pentagon pays for everything.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 27 New
            0
            Why's that? Not for everything.
            1. avant-garde
              avant-garde 28 May 2013 19: 10 New
              0
              Well, not for everything, for your own min-no to the Pentagon, you yourself are paying !!
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 44 New
        0
        You still missed Ukraine, Bulgaria and several more countries. The official military advisers were provided by the NATO countries - according to a completely ordinary military program. Private companies providing instructors were from several countries
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 2 June 2013 19: 06 New
          0
          Again, a bunch of people from all over Europe with the sosch at the head! They don’t know for sure, don’t wake it up while it’s quiet ... !!! And then it will be too late !! We won’t take prisoners! We’ll take all potential future opponents to the root! Declare to the whole world: Russians will not be taken prisoner !!!
    2. Armata
      Armata 28 May 2013 13: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Pimply
      Not by that much. Really well, they had about one brigade trained. Their logic of action was based on the fact that Russia will not enter the war or will enter much later. For them, all the events were a surprise.
      Hi Zhenya. One team resolved all issues on the shore, by the way, then the Minister of Defense was pushed. Well, somehow it did not work out to unleash the world’s 3 from the Caucasus. Now, on the other hand, they pull the strings.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 46 New
        -4
        Zhen, what is the 3rd world? Georgia had its own geopolitical and internal interests to return the territory. Like about Russia and Chechnya. That's all. The Georgians simply did not expect what side it would turn to them.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 15: 30 New
          +6
          Quote: Pimply
          . The Georgians simply did not expect what side it would turn to them.

          Of course they didn’t expect it, especially when the Georgian “army” was commanded from Washington.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 28 New
            -4
            Sasha, you can’t understand in any way - this does not work on the principle of puppets. Each, even a very small country, has its own interests that it pursues, often in serious contrast to what the very States want.
    3. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 13: 02 New
      -2
      Really well, they had about one brigade trained.


      And she was at that time in Iraq.
      1. vit24
        vit24 29 May 2013 20: 04 New
        0
        According to the Israelis who worked there as instructors, the training of the Georgians corresponded to the Israeli soldiers after the young fighter’s course.
    4. nerd.su
      nerd.su 29 May 2013 00: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Pimply
      For them, all the events were a surprise.

      What a fucking surprise! To attack Russian soldiers, albeit under the UN flag, and assume that Russia will tolerate this, is idiocy. Well, or the plan originally provided for the entry of our army to scatter.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 May 2013 00: 45 New
        +2
        They were not under the UN flag. The Russian peacekeeping contingent was there under a completely different mandate, and its effectiveness was disputed by the Georgian side. No need to put an equal sign peacekeepers = UN. At least read the history of the conflict before you get into a dispute on a topic that you do not understand.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 29 May 2013 01: 54 New
          0
          CIS mandate. Disputed, but not disputed, began shooting at the peacekeepers, the citizens of Russia and their citizens, in Ossetia. And then, on August 18, it left the CIS.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 May 2013 03: 46 New
            +1
            AND? Russia pursued a controversial policy of supporting one of the parties to the conflict instead of arbitral functions. Which in itself violated the legitimacy of the mandate. And for our citizens, we again recall WHO. Who is without sin.

            Note, I am looking here purely from evaluative positions.
            There are many quite clear reasons why Russia should have intervened. But de facto, Georgia behaved in much the same way as Russia did in Chechnya. Especially given the regular shelling by South Ossetia of Georgian positions and villages. Georgia simply did not take into account that Russia had its own interests in this region, and Russia is somewhat stronger than Georgia.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 29 May 2013 12: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: Pimply
              AND? Russia pursued a controversial policy of supporting one of the parties to the conflict instead of arbitral functions.

              The role of the arbiter is to monitor compliance with the rules and, in case of violation, separate the fighters on their sides, which Russia has done. Different weight categories are a flagrant violation of the rules.
              Quote: Pimply
              But de facto, Georgia behaved in much the same way as Russia did in Chechnya.

              Not so, rodents behaved like occupiers in the occupied territory. I have a father from Abkhazia, I know how rodents act, unlike you.
              Quote: Pimply
              Georgia simply did not take into account that Russia had its own interests in this region, and Russia is somewhat stronger than Georgia.

              I would like to point out that if the USA were in place of Russia, Georgia would be bombed into the Stone Age according to the glands.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 29 May 2013 13: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: Setrac

                The role of the arbiter is to monitor compliance with the rules and, in case of violation, separate the fighters on their sides, which Russia has done. Different weight categories are a flagrant violation of the rules.

                The role of the arbiter is not to sue another player.

                Quote: Setrac
                Not so, rodents behaved like occupiers in the occupied territory. I have a father from Abkhazia, I know how rodents act, unlike you.

                Well, I know how both of them act. There were friends who fought in the 90s. Minimum differences. I do not now consider the behavior of one or another side: or will we also consider the stories of the expulsion of Georgians from their villages? I consider purely technical aspects.


                Quote: Setrac
                I would like to point out that if the USA were in place of Russia, Georgia would be bombed into the Stone Age according to the glands.

                Quite possible. However, we are considering another issue here.
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 29 May 2013 14: 24 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                I consider purely technical aspects.
                Your comments on technical issues are not relevant, only emotions.
                Quote: Pimply
                There were friends who fought in the 90s. Minimum differences.

                Any hypothetical acquaintances? Which side did they fight on?
                Quote: Pimply
                The role of the arbiter is not to sue another player.

                Therefore, Georgia was not rolled out.
              3. Pimply
                Pimply 29 May 2013 15: 10 New
                0
                I am deeply purple to Georgia, to be honest. Russia had its own interests in this region. Just the proverb "but in his eye does not even notice the logs" still works.

                I have? Not hypothetical. It’s completely specific. One from the Abkhaz side, the other from the Georgians.

                Quote: Setrac
                Therefore, Georgia was not rolled out.

                No, the reasons were somewhat different.
              4. Setrac
                Setrac 29 May 2013 15: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                Just the proverb "but in his eye does not even notice the logs" still works.

                Well, finally, notice the whole forest deposits in your eye, enough to climb our dirty paws into our eyes for the sake of a nonexistent mote.
              5. Pimply
                Pimply 29 May 2013 19: 03 New
                0
                Yeah. It is nonexistent, nonexistent. Finished. Meaningless interpretation.
              6. Setrac
                Setrac 29 May 2013 21: 31 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                Finished. Meaningless interpretation.
                You correctly said to yourself. So do not write nonsense.
  • shamil
    shamil 28 May 2013 13: 17 New
    +5
    they don’t have an army like the fleet is about Georgians
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 28 May 2013 13: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: zvereok
    It seems that they were even considered the strongest army in the Caucasus after ours.

    The Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation dispersed the cowardly Georgian missile boats. Cockles in Sevastopol also crap one's pants.



    The battle off the coast of Georgia, where one small Mirage missile ship won the battle with five Georgian missile boats. Now you can find out about previously unknown details of that battle.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 14: 25 New
      -8
      The battle off the coast of Georgia, where one small Mirage missile ship won the battle with five Georgian missile boats.


      Why not with 50?
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 28 May 2013 14: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Tourist Breakfast
        The battle off the coast of Georgia, where one small Mirage missile ship won the battle with five Georgian missile boats.


        Why not with 50?


        You in Israel certainly know better.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 15: 10 New
          +3
          You in Israel certainly know better.


          I recommend reading the collection of articles by Russian authors "Tanks of Augustus". As far as I know, the most detailed and complete analysis of the five-day war.

          cast.ru/files/the_tanks_of_august_sm.pdf
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 28 May 2013 15: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Tourist Breakfast
            I recommend reading the collection of articles by Russian authors "Tanks of Augustus". As far as I know, the most detailed and complete analysis of the five-day war.

            cast.ru/files/the_tanks_of_august_sm.pdf


            Thank you.
          2. poquello
            poquello 29 May 2013 01: 58 New
            +1
            Thank you, I’ll get along with the video chronicle somehow and Saakashvili chewed his tie because it is TASTY.
      2. Armata
        Armata 28 May 2013 15: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: Tourist Breakfast
        Why not with 50?
        They wrote nonsense. Then one ship went exactly on 5 boats. 1 sank from the first salvo, then went on a U-turn behind the order and the second salvo damaged another boat. Then the Georgians turned around and motanuli to their shore.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 15: 52 New
          0
          They wrote nonsense. Then one ship went exactly on 5 boats. 1 sank from the first salvo, then went on a U-turn behind the order and the second salvo damaged another boat. Then the Georgians turned around and motanuli to their shore.


          Only now, the Georgian Navy had only two missile boats - Tbilisi and Dioskuria. Both were captured by Russian troops in the port of Poti, because they were not on the move.

          And the Mirage drowned the Gantiadi hydrographic seiner.
          1. poquello
            poquello 29 May 2013 01: 51 New
            +1
            rushing across the group, in a seiner tied to catapults, the Georgian comicadze with the belts of martyrs waited for rapprochement.
      3. old man54
        old man54 29 May 2013 00: 39 New
        0
        Enviously? understand:)))
      4. Oleg Rosskiyy
        Oleg Rosskiyy 29 May 2013 02: 20 New
        0
        For you, the Zionists and five in their fifties will come down, their eyes are big with fear, and we Russians are not greedy for us and five will be enough, and there’s no reason to be afraid of some kind of Saakashvili after Hitler, well, that’s not serious.
    2. Armata
      Armata 28 May 2013 14: 27 New
      +3
      Yeah cool. RF News, and on the side of the postscript SNN.
      1. VAF
        VAF 28 May 2013 16: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: Mechanic
        Yeah cool. RF News, and on the side of the postscript SNN.


        Zhenya, unfortunately he is right. The mirage "bullet" in white light, like a penny.
        They drowned an old rusty trough called a hydrograph (a converted fishing seiner) and then .. Wasp!
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 28 May 2013 19: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: zvereok
    cause us significant losses

    It’s not necessary to stupidly attack in an attack without intelligence, with the journalist’s mobile phone in his hand and soak it with all high-precision views (unless of course they are in stock), in general, it’s especially proud of nothing, like Mussolini in Abyssinia
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 28 May 2013 20: 49 New
      +1
      I completely agree. By the way, the Georgian authorities themselves dispersed the reservists precisely after one of the high-precision missiles hit the collection center or near it.
  • aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 29 May 2013 01: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: zvereok
    ... Georgia had a chance to inflict significant losses on us and end the war, having lost the same territories that they had lost. They organized the defense along the border of Ossetia for a long time. Armed were good enough. It seems that they were even considered the strongest army in the Caucasus after our ..


    On the run, Georgians are generally pulled for world champions. wassat
  • Containers
    Containers 29 May 2013 18: 34 New
    0
    Georgia did not have the opportunity to “win”. It would “win” (if it won, but this is a separate occasion for individual holivars) “USA or NATO”. It's like the French, about whom Keitel was surprised, “How ?! And did these ones defeat us too? ”
  • alicante11
    alicante11 28 May 2013 10: 08 New
    +1
    Syria just makes that sense. Because it is much better to strike the first prepared blow than to brush aside the opponent who owns the initiative.
    Only two circumstances can deter Syrians from fighting.
    1. The weakness of his army against the Jewish.
    2. The hope that they will give the same to crush jihadist rats.
    If the first circumstance is valid, then I can only sympathize with Assad, no matter how much they hold on, they will still be eaten.
    If the second, then you need to cast aside doubts and try, seizing the initiative, strike, while the enemies have not yet prepared.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 28 May 2013 10: 51 New
      +8
      Quote: alicante11
      Syria just makes that sense. Because it is much better to strike the first prepared blow than to brush aside the opponent who owns the initiative.
      Only two circumstances can deter Syrians from fighting.
      1. The weakness of his army against the Jewish.
      2. The hope that they will give the same to crush jihadist rats.
      If the first circumstance is valid, then I can only sympathize with Assad, no matter how much they hold on, they will still be eaten.
      If the second, then you need to cast aside doubts and try, seizing the initiative, strike, while the enemies have not yet prepared.


      The Syrians have almost no Aviation left, here their Jews are many times superior. And even modern air defense, only partially alleviates the situation. Well, the general "knockout" of armored vehicles in the Civil War. They need to start a war years through 10, after the economic recovery and replenishment of the fleet of aircraft and armored vehicles.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 28 May 2013 12: 49 New
      +6
      If you pay attention, in these exercises the main task is just against the irregular army - that is, against the militants. And the global jihad is the Sunnis, just those who are now howling against Assad. Why do you think Assad calmly withdrew troops from the border and threw them to other sectors?
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 28 May 2013 12: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        Why do you think Assad calmly withdrew troops from the border and threw them to other sectors?


        It seems like he removed the "Elite" units, which apparently strengthened his position within the country.
  • Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 28 May 2013 12: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: zvereok
    Georgia actually had the opportunity to win only if the United States or NATO joined, there was also a small chance that, after heavy losses, we would go to the world (Georgians also suffered heavy losses). And what happened is the most optimal option, without significant human casualties.

    Israel has a much better chance of winning.

    There are also Turks, who can chop off part of the territories under the guise. But there are Iranians who might get in the war.

    There is no point in starting this Syria Massacre now. If it happens, then it will be launched by Israel, which is rapidly losing state support.


    If Georgia was helped by NATO or the USA, then there would be no winners anymore, write nonsense.
  • astra
    astra 28 May 2013 12: 20 New
    +5
    Quote: zvereok
    Israel has a much better chance of winning.

    Of course, without our Iranian and possibly Chinese support, Syria will fall. But it will come to Israel at a high price, this is not Egypt, Lebanon and the hesbola units with the Palestinians smash. The Syrians have been tempered for a long time, maybe they will quickly surrender on lowland positions, but the Syrians will prove themselves in urban battles, and the Israelis will get bogged down.
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 28 May 2013 13: 03 New
      +8
      You do not forget that the Syrians are fighting on their territory trying to minimize economic harm as much as possible, it is not important for Israel and it is not important for anyone to kill (for them all Syrians are small to large enemies), therefore, having met resistance, they will equate quarter by quarter with "highly accurate" art by raids and air strikes without thinking about the casualties among the civilian population .... Indeed, in the whole progressive world they know that Jews are the most miserable on the planet !!!!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 48 New
        -1
        Nobody is trying anything there. There is a war of survival. Two groups of approximately equal strength are the Sunnis on the one hand, the Alawites, Christians and Shiites on the other. Both those and others receive external support.
      2. astra
        astra 28 May 2013 14: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Patton5
        therefore, meeting resistance, they will equate quarter after quarter with "highly accurate" art raids and air strikes without thinking about civilian casualties ...

        Well, if such a thing happens and the massacres take pictures, and our reporters in Syria are there, then this will be a precedent for Israel to fail - there will be great hype all over the world, many rebels who are now fighting against Assad will turn weapons against Israelis, many hesitating will side with Syria , volunteers all over the world will roll to the aid of the Syrians, Surely Russia and China will stand up for Syria and then not Syria will be threatened but the army of Israel.
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 May 2013 14: 16 New
          -5
          Quote: astra
          Well, if this happens and the mass media take pictures of the pogroms, and there are our reporters in Syria, then this will be a precedent and Israel will not be beaten

          He meant Assad.
          1. astra
            astra 28 May 2013 14: 27 New
            +3
            Just not, if the Israeli troops during the assault on Syrian cities will equal the quarters of cities with civilians, then how will the Israeli troops differ from the Nazis? Therefore, I do not think that the Israeli army with its high-precision weapons will fall to the use of carpet bombing destruction.
            1. Gorinich
              Gorinich 28 May 2013 17: 32 New
              +5
              Their policy and now does not differ, is called - Zionism.
              1. wanderer
                wanderer 28 May 2013 19: 46 New
                -7
                not tired of telling tales about Zionism?
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 28 May 2013 13: 04 New
      0
      Quote: astra
      The Syrians have been tempered for a long time, maybe on the low ground they will quickly surrender, but in urban battles the Syrians will show themselves and the Israelis will get bogged down.


      Unfortunately not known. Perhaps there will be separate centers of resistance, as in Iraq against the United States. But this picture does not change. The fall of the country will be a matter of time without support from outside. Syrian troops will be in the position of their current opponents. Despite the fact that aviation in Israel will work much more efficiently on the plain.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 28 May 2013 23: 21 New
    +1
    Georgia actually had the opportunity to win only if the United States or NATO joined, there was also a small chance that, after heavy losses, we would go to the world (Georgians also suffered heavy losses).

    And what losses should be considered large for Russia and Georgia with an incommensurable ratio of the number of human and material reserves. You speak and think like Sahak. He also wanted to drive the Russian Armed Forces to Rostov. It turned out the opposite.
  • Mitek
    Mitek 28 May 2013 09: 08 New
    17
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    The brave Georgian also thought that Uncle Sam would get involved for him and, as it turned out, he would have better not thought so.
    The brave Tsahal, without wiping away the tears that flow in streams along the faces of the Zionists, is also confident in his invulnerability and loyalty to the overseas ally, but forgot about Iran, Russia and the unyielding Syrian.
    What if Sam will go as it always did in its entire history - namely, divorce nix, and after primknot to the winners or the feeling that the smell of fried and did run away?

    It is foolish to compare Jews and Georgians. Israeli Jews live their entire lives in a pre-war state. And they know that they have behind their families who will die in a lost war. After all, it’s not the Russians who come to them like rodents, but the wild Arabs ... Plus, the pro-Jewish lobby in EVERY country is very strong. Plus excellent intelligence, plus command of the troops at altitude. Israel and Georgia are completely different opponents. Among other things, remember how Israel put cancer in the whole Middle East for two of its fighters. I would be proud if Russia SO defended its citizens. But still, we will win whoever it is. Israel with mattress covers or rodents. Both Amer and Israel know this. That’s why they finance Islamism in Russia. They want to exhaust in a series of internal conflicts, not to let rise. And then in a crowd to finish.
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 28 May 2013 13: 17 New
      +4
      Why aren’t you proud now? After all, the Georgians were given a slope .... Of course there are a lot of questions, why when Russia decided to protect its soldiers shot from tanks, in the whole "progressive" world there was such a howl about not an inadequate answer, about that excessive use of force. And when the "Holy people" creates it causes a storm of enthusiastic reactions?!?!?!? No need to answer, and so everything is clear am
  • Mairos
    Mairos 28 May 2013 10: 21 New
    14
    if not to offend, then today in the Arab world and generally in the Middle East, only the Turkish or Iranian armies can be comparable with the Israeli. The rest of the Israelis will simply tear. Hatred is evil !! This is a VERY battle-worthy, well-equipped and trained army. Having considerable combat experience. So the expansion is inappropriate. Moreover, her task is to protect her territory and inflict damage to the enemy - they do not need to occupy and control large territories, but simply beat everything that they can reach. And they are more than capable of it. It is foolish to even compare the Israeli army and the Georgian.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 28 May 2013 10: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Mairos
      if not to offend, then today in the Arab world and generally in the Middle East, only the Turkish or Iranian armies can be comparable with the Israeli.


      Still there is a trump card in the Jews - Nuclear weapons.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 28 May 2013 12: 54 New
      +1
      The Iranian is technically far behind in weighing the overall situation, especially in aviation. Therefore, they sponsor allied organizations. Turkey has a really strong army, and the fleet bypasses the Israeli in a number of positions (although it is inferior in a number of positions).
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 28 May 2013 13: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        The Iranian is technically far behind in weighing the overall situation, especially in aviation. Therefore, they sponsor allied organizations. Turkey has a really strong army, and the fleet bypasses the Israeli in a number of positions (although it is inferior in a number of positions).


        The Iranian, together with the Syrian army (in the current version) have every chance to stop the Israeli offensive in Syria, if any.
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 May 2013 13: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: zvereok
          The Iranian, together with the Syrian army (in the current version) have every chance to stop the Israeli offensive in Syria, if any.

          Just as the Iranian army gets to Syria. Mark the paths. By air, sea, land transport.
          How about geography?
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 28 May 2013 14: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Just as the Iranian army gets to Syria. Mark the paths. By air, sea, land transport.
            How about geography?


            Here you are right. Obtained only through Iraq.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 28 May 2013 22: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Mairos
      well-equipped and trained army.

      Yes, and still amers who are always ready to help, because when in 73, if I’m not mistaken, they shot their birds, the amers gave them their planes. I won’t talk about pilots, I don’t know
  • Skuto
    Skuto 28 May 2013 12: 33 New
    +4
    The Israeli army, this is not the Georgian palliative, this is Urukhai!)))) But in the case of Israel, the Arabs have always fought successfully, they have more experience than the roof, the military-industrial complex is imprisoned specifically for this theater ... Regrettably, if Tel Aviv puts the goal is to go to Damascus ... the army will reach.
    Only respected before sputtering and writing that I'm wrong, answer me ... What now can Syria oppose to this?
    1. vkusniikorj
      vkusniikorj 28 May 2013 14: 17 New
      +1
      I would be in place of the Syrians, in the event of another bombardment from Israel, overloaded the "iron dome" with a trifle like "Hasan" and after the Patriots developed a missile defense, launched a missile strike. and not “where will Allah send”, but specifically on military and industrial infrastructure. Israel will be afraid to use nuclear weapons, hell knows where the radioactive cloud will take it.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 28 May 2013 12: 44 New
    -1
    You do not seem to understand - the preparations are just against the forces opposing Assad now
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 28 May 2013 13: 20 New
      +4
      This is your grandmother tell! lol
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 50 New
        +1
        But what can grandma tell if the purpose of the exercises is clearly defined - the fight against irregular formations?
        1. Patton5
          Patton5 28 May 2013 13: 58 New
          0
          It’s strange how it turns out for you, one hand fights with the other. In a place where all this shelupon (Syrian opposition) in a place to press together. Although who will give you your own policy to pursue!
          1. atalef
            atalef 28 May 2013 14: 01 New
            -2
            Quote: Patton5
            In a place where all this shelupon (Syrian opposition) in a place to press together

            And why, let them fight.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 14: 10 New
            +3
            For Israel, that the Syrian opposition, focused on al-Qaeda, that Assad with Hezbollah and Iran are both not ice. Why would Israel push any of them now, when both sides are so passionate about each other.
        2. old man54
          old man54 29 May 2013 00: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          But what can grandma tell if the purpose of the exercises is clearly defined - the fight against irregular formations?

          and you still remember Hitler in 1939 and 1941. so big, but believe in fairy tales!
    2. ultra
      ultra 28 May 2013 23: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Pimply
      against the forces opposing Assad now

      Oh well! That's what it's called now!
  • vjhbc
    vjhbc 28 May 2013 19: 50 New
    +3
    .I click and I, like an eagle,
    He rushed ... and shot again!
    And the wild cry and moan deaf
    Sped into the depths of the valley -
    The battle did not last long:
    Timid Georgians fled! ..
  • nok01
    nok01 28 May 2013 20: 37 New
    +2
    The army of Israel is one of the most efficient in the world! And more than once defeated the superior enemy forces, with far from backward armaments, without the support of Uncle Sam’s manpower! So, to say that the IDF says tears flow in streams - to put it mildly, it is not correct ...
  • faraon
    faraon 3 June 2013 03: 27 New
    0
    You do not understand the main thing for Israel there is no choice how to make a retreat to the Ural Mountains is a matter of life and death. So dear, put the emphasis correctly. As for Iran, believe me and everything will be fine. And for the Syrian, there’s nothing to say .2 years of war and will not succeed. That even had to use chemical weapons
  • Ash24
    Ash24 5 June 2013 19: 22 New
    0
    Compare Georgia and Israel, at least not solid.
  • Haxmah
    Haxmah 5 June 2013 23: 25 New
    0
    Obviously, streams of tears on Zionist physiognomies formed at the sight of columns of Raseian armored vehicles loaded with trophy toilets, holding the way from Georgia to Rasei.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 May 2013 08: 27 New
    +6
    In the place of Israel, I would rather conduct exercises on the mass evacuation of the entire population ..
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 28 May 2013 09: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      In the place of Israel, I would rather conduct exercises on the mass evacuation of the entire population ..

      Looking where they are going to evacuate? If to us, then do not!
      Maybe it’s better for them to stay in place and try to make peace. Although unlikely Zionism feeds on blood!

      Interestingly, how do Jewish tanks burn, with thick greasy smoke or liquid, sickly smoke?
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 28 May 2013 09: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: omsbon
        Looking where they are going to evacuate? If to us, then do not!


        Why is it bad to get technology with Israeli citizens? Or do you think that the “useful” Israelis (those who will not die defending their homeland) will go to the USA, where they can offer more candy wrappers? And to us, under the guise of useful ones, they will go completely unnecessary, who nevertheless will be put in senior positions in enterprises, in the hope of breakthrough technologies that they will not have.
        1. Suvorov000
          Suvorov000 28 May 2013 12: 31 New
          +2
          Here it’s not necessary, let them get what they deserve, they want land, they stole from others, so you still have to answer for it
          1. atalef
            atalef 28 May 2013 12: 33 New
            -4
            Quote: Suvorov000
            stole from others

            conquered - be precise
            1. Patton5
              Patton5 28 May 2013 13: 22 New
              +2
              Well then robbed!
              1. atalef
                atalef 28 May 2013 13: 27 New
                -1
                Quote: Patton5
                Well then robbed!

                Whom? And, in general, you're right, all military equipment (about 1000 tanks), art. systems etc. that the USSR gave (no one paid money), but taught Sov. instructors surplus warriors of Jordan, Syria, Egypt and even Iraq and Emen abandoned ---- then YES. Robbed.
                Do you think it was necessary to repair and return?
                : logging:
                1. DEfindER
                  DEfindER 28 May 2013 13: 44 New
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  all military equipment (about 1000 tanks), art. systems etc. that the USSR gave (no one paid money), but taught Sov. instructors surplus warriors of Jordan, Syria, Egypt and even Iraq and Emen abandoned ---- then YES. Robbed.

                  Well, nothing surprising at all, the Israeli army is the strongest in the region, and in the world it is perhaps second only to the states and us. So anyone can offend the little ones, and this is not a sign of strength but a sign of weakness, so you would at least once prevent the war, then you would begin to respect you ..
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 28 May 2013 13: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: DEfindER
                    So anyone can offend the little ones, and this is not a sign of strength but a sign of weakness

                    Do not understand? Who attacked anyone at all? And you compared the number of armies and weapons. Although in the wars of 1947-49, 1967, 1973. Look yourself . copy laziness. Arab superiority was at times

                    Quote: DEfindER
                    So anyone can offend the little ones,

                    Quote: DEfindER
                    so you would at least once prevent the war, then you would begin to respect ..

                    Remind about Georgia? And what did Russia do to prevent a war.?
                    1. DEfindER
                      DEfindER 28 May 2013 14: 24 New
                      -1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Who attacked anyone at all?

                      1967 Israel
                      1973 Israel was in the occupied territories, from where the Arabs tried to expel him
                      Quote: atalef
                      And you compared the number of armies and weapons.

                      Israel’s total population is much larger (although this is not so important, because the main importance is equipment, not people), and the number of modern weapons in Israel is many times greater than all Arabs combined ..
                      Quote: atalef
                      Remind about Georgia? And what did Russia do to prevent a war.?

                      Russia did not go to Tbilisi, although it had every right to do so, but only liberated the territory of Ossetia, which was attacked, this is called peace enforcement. (for reference in the USSR, Ossetia had much greater autonomy than under independent Georgia, which already violated international law)
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 28 May 2013 14: 35 New
                        -1
                        Quote: DEfindER
                        1967 Israel
                        1973 Israel was in the occupied territories, from where the Arabs tried to expel him

                        It’s shitty with your understanding of the military situation, what then do you do on the military site
                        At the same time, by the way, keeping silent about the war of 1947-1949

                        Quote: DEfindER
                        The total number of inhabitants in Israel is much larger, and the number of modern weapons in Israel is many times greater than that of all Arabs combined ..

                        Well, of course, Israel (in 1967) with its 5 million. population, well, you can’t compete with the 140% ratio of the Arab countries that attacked him. And I don’t know 5-10% of the Israeli army (500t of the population), of course, much more than 1% of the Arbish (1.5 million) as an example.
                        Deshovy you are a demagogue!

                        Quote: DEfindER
                        Russia did not go to Tbilisi, although it had every right to do so, but only liberated the territory of Ossetia, which was attacked, this is called peace enforcement

                        Well, where is the world?
                        Quote: DEfindER
                        for reference in the USSR, Ossetia had much greater autonomy than under independent Georgia, which already violated international law

                        For reference, during the collapse of the USSR, P% Russia recognized the inviolability of the borders of the former Republics of Georgia, including (with Abkhazia and Ossetia as part of the state of Georgia)
                      2. DEfindER
                        DEfindER 28 May 2013 14: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        It’s shitty with your understanding of the military situation,

                        When a person has nothing to answer, he begins to be rude
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, of course, Israel (in 1967) with its 5 million. population, well, do not compete with the 140% ratio,

                        In 1967, the number was not important at all, because The unexpected attack by Israeli aviation, by the way the largest in the region, put an end to the outcome of the war.
                        And in 1973, here is the number at the beginning of the war:
                        The personnel, the people of Israel - 415, the Arabs - 000, but with the arrival of the Israeli reservists, the number changed in favor of Israel.
                        In general, in those wars, the main role was played by technology, not people, but Israel has many times more modern technology, especially aviation, than all Arabs.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, where is the world?

                        I wrote that we did not transfer the war to the territory of the aggressor what we had the right to, but simply threw it back to its original position.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Russia recognized the inviolability of the borders of the former Republics

                        That's right, but what does it have to do with it, the conflict began with the Georgian attack on our military, which gives the right to retaliation of any scale, but we limited ourselves to peace enforcement.
                      3. zvereok
                        zvereok 28 May 2013 15: 33 New
                        +4
                        Quote: DEfindER
                        That's right, but what does it have to do with it, the conflict began with the Georgian attack on our


                        Not just our military, but they were also peacekeepers, and Georgia itself signed a permit for their activities. Also in Tskhinvali, Russian citizens died.
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 44 New
                        +3
                        Georgia several times revoked the legitimacy of the presence of Russian peacekeepers in the conflict zone, and, in parallel, repeatedly disputed the situation with the distribution of Russian passports to residents of South Ossetia. According to Russian laws, this extradition was indeed of a dubious nature. This is if you approach issues from a purely formal point of view.

                        And from the informal - Russia was stronger, and Russia had its own interest in the region. And if, from a purely legal point of view, Russia's actions were controversial, from a practical one, a stronger one can dictate its version of the law and guilty to a weaker one. That's all.
                      5. zvereok
                        zvereok 28 May 2013 23: 10 New
                        0
                        There is also international law, which does not depend on the “Wishlist” of Georgia. In addition, there was a contingent of Georgia, which, without saying a word to anyone, starred and left.

                        As for our laws, it is not yet known whether our army could even participate in this conflict in accordance with the law.
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 22 New
                        +1
                        No. There is no really international law as a single discipline. There are scattered laws, often very contradictory to each other. In essence, for the most part they are some declarations of consent.
                      7. zvereok
                        zvereok 28 May 2013 23: 43 New
                        0
                        There is. If the state signs the document.
                      8. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 52 New
                        0
                        These are scattered agreements. In essence, declarations from which to come out. As a single discipline, it is lacking
                      9. zvereok
                        zvereok 29 May 2013 00: 47 New
                        0
                        C'mon, clowning around, what was fair has happened - Russia withdrew its bases at the request of Georgia. Tell me, why did she have to end her duties as a peacemaker? Because Georgia wanted it? Sorry yesterday, she asked about it. And not only she, Ossetia too. So Russia is bound by obligations to two entities.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 31 New
            +1
            I recommend to see what actions preceded the war.
          3. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 28 May 2013 17: 43 New
            0
            This is even funny. The Israeli army in 1973, together with the reservists, did not reach 400 thousand. Look at what population was in Israel then and keep in mind that 20% are Arabs who are not drafted into the army.
          4. atalef
            atalef 28 May 2013 18: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: DEfindER
            In 1967, the number was not important at all, because The unexpected attack by Israeli aviation, by the way the largest in the region, put an end to the outcome of the war.

            Sorry for the word - I apologize.
            Nevertheless, it is not necessary to twist the facts and choose from them convenient for you.
            The number of Arab armies quantitatively and qualitatively surpassed the IDF always (including the number of aircraft), and the preemptive strike of 1967 --- read what preceded it and understand that only the blind did not understand the fact that a war would break out any minute. so we hit first. but at the same time, you are silent about the sudden (completely) attacks of Egypt and Syria with the coalition in the Doomsday War, you immediately turn it over to some strange number. No need to manipulate the facts, not beautiful.


            Quote: DEfindER
            That's right, but what does it have to do with it, the conflict began with the Georgian attack on our military, which gives the right to retaliation of any scale, but we limited ourselves to peace enforcement.

            comparing is not beautiful. But the Second World War began with a similar. The pretext of an attack by Polish border guards on it. Soldiers - allowed Hitler to tear Poland apart.
            What right Russia had to tear off pieces of Georgia and proclaim them independent states, Perhaps that is why no one recognized it.
          5. builder
            builder 28 May 2013 20: 24 New
            +1
            "The number of Arab armies quantitatively and qualitatively exceeded the IDF ..." - absolutely agree.
            «comparing is not beautiful. But the Second World War began with a similar. The pretext of an attack by Polish border guards on it. Soldiers - allowed Hitler to tear Poland apart.
            "What right did Russia have to tear off pieces of Georgia and proclaim them independent states, Perhaps that is why no one recognized that."

            So I see how our FSB-GRushniki scatter the corpses of criminals disguised in Georgian uniform, shell Russian peacekeepers ... Some kind of nonsense. Comparison inappropriate.
            Ossetia and Abkhazia at the time of the Georgian attack were de facto independent states. Russia recognized their independence de jure. (As, for example, Kosovo’s independence was once accepted.)
          6. atalef
            atalef 28 May 2013 20: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: stroitel
            . (As, for example, Kosovo’s independence was once accepted.)

            If you agree that these two cases are identical (that Kosovo is recognized by the West 0 that Abkhazia and Ossetia are Russia. I will only agree with you. Only both of these cases are lawlessness. And do not let all the dogs go west, and be touched by the heroism of Russia.
            I repeat both cases - lawlessness.
          7. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 2 June 2013 19: 59 New
            0
            Albanians captured the land of the Serbs, on which they had not lived before. And Ossetians and Abkhazians lived on this earth for centuries! So the comparison is not good! In the first case, capture-arbitrariness, in the second, the self-determination of the nation!
          8. Bergbur
            Bergbur 3 August 2013 19: 46 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: stroitel
            . (As, for example, Kosovo’s independence was once accepted.)

            If you agree that these two cases are identical (that Kosovo is recognized by the West 0 that Abkhazia and Ossetia are Russia. I will only agree with you. Only both of these cases are lawlessness. And do not let all the dogs go west, and be touched by the heroism of Russia.
            I repeat both cases - lawlessness.

            This is a symmetrical answer.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 2 June 2013 19: 52 New
        0
        And the Ossetians and Abkhazians themselves proclaimed themselves! When leaving the USSR, Georgians can identify themselves as independent, while Ossetians and Abkhazians cannot leave Georgia! Double standards, do not you think? And then, Israel stands on a foreign land! Your ancestors left here a millennium ago, but wherever they didn’t take root, everywhere they were persecuted! They even came up with the word “anti-simitism”, although the Jews are from the same tribes as the Arabs. But they apply it only to the Jews, why is this, what have they earned such an attitude for themselves!? And the Arabs will fight with you until the end of the century! !!
    2. Ash24
      Ash24 5 June 2013 19: 36 New
      0
      Quote: DEfindER
      And in 1973, here is the number at the beginning of the war:
      The personnel, the people of Israel - 415, the Arabs - 000, but with the arrival of the Israeli reservists, the number changed in favor of Israel.

      Where do these figures come from? Of the 3,5 million citizens of Israel at that time, almost half of the Israeli Arabs, especially the Jews and children, fought with the elderly? lol
  • posad
    posad 28 May 2013 22: 25 New
    -1
    You don’t particularly jump. Putin Beny raped in a perverted form. He endured. In other words, Israel was omitted)))) But this is only the beginning ....
    1. wanderer
      wanderer 28 May 2013 23: 34 New
      -2
      That you would sit and not jerk. Our Benya explained to your Volodya popularly. It is not worth sending the S-300 to Syria. While they do not know, they are afraid. As you send, they will stop being afraid (we will kill them).
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    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 2 June 2013 20: 04 New
      -1
      Klikuha put up the Flag, like "Eternal Jew"! In general, then, wake up look! And we’ll ditch, we will not ditch ...
    4. Ash24
      Ash24 5 June 2013 19: 45 New
      0
      Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
      In general, we’ll wake up to see! And we’ll ditch, we will not ditch ...

      You speak for yourself, it is not necessary on behalf of everyone. And then they can present it later.
  • Patton5
    Patton5 28 May 2013 14: 18 New
    +2
    No, I don’t think so! Israel, to some extent, impresses me, or rather, a Dodger. But your country dances to the tune of its main ally, sows evil wherever it can reach. A place to live in peace with neighbors .... You are too used to living at war, used to fight and not talk.
  • Suvorov000
    Suvorov000 29 May 2013 14: 04 New
    0
    Nah, the thing is that you stole, you didn’t conquer, you can only fight in your sandbox, but when you go out into the yard there you’ll quickly snot out and you fight again in your sandbox
  • Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 28 May 2013 12: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: omsbon
    Looking where they are going to evacuate? If to us, then do not!

    Back to us? What are you! Once they have already surrendered us, we will take them back, they will surrender again at the first opportunity. If they were normal, then they would live where they lived and did not rock the boat. By the example of famous Jewish people who never took Israeli citizenship and continue to live in Russia. And I don’t think that they will be glad to see them here, if they tell us that they’ve moved back from Israel, they can also get it in the face. In short, their path to Russia, and to the CIS countries, I think will be closed. Only in other countries as an option to leave.
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 May 2013 12: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
      Back to us? What are you!

      Sleep well, they will not go back.
  • Professor
    28 May 2013 09: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    In the place of Israel, I would rather conduct exercises on the mass evacuation of the entire population ..

    "Turning Point 7": Israel prepares for rocket attacks
    On May 27-29, Israel hosts the annual rear management exercises "Turning Point 7". If last year the theme of the exercises was the fight against the consequences of an earthquake, then this year the actions are being worked out in the event of a massive missile attack.

    The army, government, and other civilians, including educational institutions and all citizens of the country, take part in the exercises.

    According to the scenario of the exercises, the territory of Israel is subjected to missile attacks from the north and south, and in some cases the enemy uses unconventional warheads.

    Turn Point 7 exercises began on Monday around 10 a.m. On the first day of the exercises, a training 90-second alarm siren sounded twice throughout the country: at 12:30 and 19:05 (in the event of a real threat, a second siren would immediately sound). The siren at 12:30 implied the evacuation of adult citizens from workplaces, and children in educational institutions. The siren at 19:05 was designed to work out the actions of citizens who are at home (it was necessary to prepare protective structures in advance and to think out the escape route). At the same time, Rear Management tested a warning system through mobile phones in different languages. The department asked all citizens, having heard a siren, for 10 minutes to take refuge in bomb shelters or other protected structures.


    PS
    The teachings of the brigade mentioned in the article.
    1. Burbulator
      Burbulator 28 May 2013 09: 42 New
      +3
      Please tell me, are the Palestinians serving in the Israeli army?
      Did I formulate the question correctly?
      1. Professor
        28 May 2013 09: 49 New
        -3
        Golda Meir said: “There is no people like the Palestinians and never existed. Until 1948, we were Palestinians".

        Regarding Arabs of Israeli citizens, military service is not obligatory for them. Those who serve do this voluntarily. There are not many, but there are. Bedouins, Druze, and Circassians serve (men only). An alternative service is held by many Arab women in order to break out of the villages. Interestingly, Arab politicians are sounding the alarm because the number of Arabs who want to serve in the IDF is growing from year to year.
        1. posad
          posad 28 May 2013 09: 59 New
          -1
          Yes, this is all normal. You comment on the results of the second Lebanese. About losses in tanks. Those most impenetrable. Something to laugh hunting
          1. igor67
            igor67 28 May 2013 11: 18 New
            +9
            Firstly, do not poke at the bazaar, about the second Lebanese site they probably chewed the topic about 10 times, see the archive, in the armored section, the result was: the resignation of the chief of the General Staff, because due to the fact that he was a pilot and relied on aviation, which led to losses. Now the exercises are being discussed, so the guys serve for three years and then spend a month every month, and they don’t eat, but really drive and shoot, and draw your own conclusions. And with the Day of the Border Guard members of the forum !!!
            Quote: posad
            Yes, this is all normal. You comment on the results of the second Lebanese. About losses in tanks. Those most impenetrable. Something to laugh hunting
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              1. Mairos
                Mairos 28 May 2013 11: 34 New
                +7
                Ponte again. Who messed up who? Since you, sir, think you can say that Chechnya also shattered Russia "under the nut". The results in both cases indicate the opposite. The maximum that Hezbollah and others are capable of is a sabotage and terrorist war. To defeat the FINALLY adversary waging such a war, there are two ways - eliminating the cause of the war or completely clearing the social and economic base of the war. Both are unattainable in the case of Israel - Palestine. But the Palestinians did not observe a purely military success. And tanks .. well, tanks, any tank can be knocked out in the end, this is not an indicator of victory.
                1. igor67
                  igor67 28 May 2013 11: 39 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Mairos
                  Ponte again. Who messed up who? Since you, sir, think you can say that Chechnya also shattered Russia "under the nut". The results in both cases indicate the opposite. The maximum that Hezbollah and others are capable of is a sabotage and terrorist war. To defeat the FINALLY adversary waging such a war, there are two ways - eliminating the cause of the war or completely clearing the social and economic base of the war. Both are unattainable in the case of Israel - Palestine. But the Palestinians did not observe a purely military success. And tanks .. well, tanks, any tank can be knocked out in the end, this is not an indicator of victory.
                  .
                  In fact, Hezbola is a very strong and well-armed opponent, I don’t remember exactly about 60 thousand fighters who have been engaged in military training since childhood and are serious about them
                  1. Mairos
                    Mairos 28 May 2013 11: 51 New
                    +6
                    I am not saying that Hezbollah is a weak adversary. But she is not capable of open confrontation and is not created for him. Ambush, shelling, terrorist attack - yes. But not more. These are pure partisan saboteurs.
                    Well for an analogy. The Edelweisss of the Germans during the Second World War were also perfectly prepared and fought well in the mountains, and when they were thrown into the combined arms battle, they suffered huge losses and there was no special effect from their use.
                  2. posad
                    posad 28 May 2013 21: 45 New
                    -1
                    Good luck to Hezbollah
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 28 May 2013 22: 02 New
                      +1
                      Are you a fan of terrorists?
                    2. posad
                      posad 28 May 2013 22: 26 New
                      +2
                      I do not like Jews. Or just do not know how to cook them .....
                    3. Oleg Rosskiyy
                      Oleg Rosskiyy 29 May 2013 02: 32 New
                      +2
                      The more you learn about Israel, the more you are drawn to the very alleged terrorists, the more you know about the amount of disinformation and falsification by the West about the events taking place in the world.
                    4. Pimply
                      Pimply 29 May 2013 03: 48 New
                      0
                      It's funny You condemn terrorists like? Or love? Or do you love some, but condemn others?
            2. posad
              posad 28 May 2013 21: 44 New
              -1
              Let's do it. There is a war to exterminate the Jews. In it, all means are good. Hizballah’s tactics are justified and effective. Two or three of these second Lebanese are very good "cheer up" Israel.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 02 New
        0
        5 tanks were irretrievably lost, of which two were on high-capacity WUs (50 kg and above). With 53 hits - 24 penetrations. Average losses - one tanker per tank, which is an order of magnitude less than in previous wars. Merkava 4 suffered a loss of 34% of penetration, compared with 50 in the cases of Merkava 2. The KAZ Trophy system installed after the war effectively shot down several ATGM and RPG shells in real combat conditions.

        This is about tanks. And if about the results, regular shelling of the northern part of Israel has ceased. That is completely.
    2. bask
      bask 28 May 2013 11: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Professor
      Arabs wishing to serve in the IDF are growing from year to year.

      You did not specify the pan.prof..arabov-Christian.
      Their number is growing in the IDF.
      1. igor67
        igor67 28 May 2013 12: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: bask
        Quote: Professor
        Arabs wishing to serve in the IDF are growing from year to year.

        You did not specify the pan.prof..arabov-Christian.
        Their number is growing in the IDF.

        I’ll answer for the professor, if possible, my son now after the eighth grade wants to go to military school (a school with a military bias such as Suvorovsky) with a bias in car repair, so he is alone, and the rest are all Bedouin students and Druze, he doesn’t even want to study, they are all children of the military, half of Hebrew is poorly known
      2. Professor
        28 May 2013 12: 14 New
        0
        Quote: bask
        You did not specify the pan.prof..arabov-Christian.
        Their number is growing in the IDF.

        No respected, Arabs as such including Muslims and Christians.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 16 New
        +1
        In fact, this number is still relatively small, although yes - it is growing. The number of Muslim Bedouins and Druze remains stably high.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 28 May 2013 12: 59 New
    +1
    http://nvo.ng.ru/forces/2011-09-16/11_tsahal.html

    Here is a related article.

    And one more - about a Muslim, a major, a soldier of military units.

    http://nakaryak.livejournal.com/176874.html

    Recently, another article was about a girl-military prosecutor.

    If we talk about Arabs - citizens of Israel
  • zvereok
    zvereok 28 May 2013 09: 46 New
    +3
    We DO NOT have a civil defense at all. Therefore, God forbid, war happen, there will probably be panic and confusion. I do not want to think what illegal immigrants will do in this case.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 28 May 2013 09: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: zvereok
      Therefore, God forbid, war happen

      A Th bastard ???? And the heroes bombed Syria from the bastard. You there in your Israel campaign about the boomerang principle forgot !!!
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 28 May 2013 09: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: avant-garde
        Quote: zvereok
        Therefore, God forbid, war happen

        A Th bastard ???? And the heroes bombed Syria from the bastard. You there in your Israel campaign about the boomerang principle forgot !!!


        The Jews have civil defense. I'm talking about my country about Russia. In the city where I work only one bomb shelter, a busy bar. Where I live in general there are none. Imagine the spread of disease from dead bodies. Imagine what migrants who have nothing to eat will do. Ummm ... By the way, remembering New Orleans - the police there fled first. Therefore, in the conditions of Russia it is vitally necessary to have at least a smoothbolt, in case of any emergency.
    2. Professor
      28 May 2013 09: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: zvereok
      We DO NOT have a civil defense at all.

      In my opinion, in Israel it is also absent, however, as well as panic and confusion.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 28 May 2013 10: 03 New
        +2
        And what about the speech (I don’t remember yours or not) about the fact that every house has a gas mask? In schools, children are not explained what to do in the event of a bombing? Do citizens not know the nearest shelters? Civil warning sirens? The purposeful work of the government aimed at minimizing civilian casualties. In case of emergency / war. All this is not? Then it’s very bad.

        Although Google and really:
        "
        The ministry decided to stop distributing syringes with atropine and gas masks among the country's population and called their high cost the reason.
        "

        As I understand it, GO is in charge of the rear command, something like our Ministry of Emergencies. Really sad.
        1. Professor
          28 May 2013 10: 11 New
          +2
          All this is there (including gas masks for everyone), but the rear services regularly conduct exercises and debriefing.

          PS
          I did not wake up. repeat I read “Civil Defense” as “Civil War”. Sinful. repeat
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 28 May 2013 10: 29 New
            +1
            Well, we have the Ministry of Emergencies also probably regularly conducts something. I’m talking about something else, the Ministry of Emergencies react to the problem some time later. This time, citizens are face to face with their problems. Well, the state seems to have to do so that citizens can cope with these problems or know where to go and do not panic.

            Here we had a couple of years ago, it was freezing rain, in the apartment, and throughout the city there was no water / light for two weeks. Thank God there was gas, and the 2-year-old child did not then catch pneumonia (outside the window -20С)

            The most interesting thing is that the radio point, which I considered a strategic object from Soviet times, which informs citizens about what is happening all this time, also did not work.

            And imagine if this is not a technological disaster, but a war. Yes, half the population will learn about the war in a couple of months, already deep behind the front line. They won’t even be able to join the army.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 28 May 2013 22: 33 New
              0
              Quote: zvereok
              And imagine if this is not a technological disaster, but a war. Yes, half the population will learn about the war in a couple of months, already deep behind the front line. They won’t even be able to join the army.

              I agree with your notes, with GO in Russia the situation is very bad.
          2. Straus_zloy
            Straus_zloy 28 May 2013 10: 33 New
            +1
            All this is there (including gas masks for everyone)

            And now the truth:

            According to a representative of the Postal Service, 4,2 million Israelis have gas masks. The question is whether there are enough gas masks in the warehouses for the remaining ones, the interlocutor of the agency redirected to the rear command of the IDF, which is responsible for civil defense.

            “Procurement is in their part. But earlier they said that there wasn’t enough for everyone, ”she said.

            http://newsoboz.org/mir/v-izraile-massovo-skupayut-protivogazy-opasayas-himoruzh
            iya-27072012110000
            1. Professor
              28 May 2013 10: 45 New
              +2
              The truth is that today anyone who wants to receive a gas mask by mail. For example, I turned and received without problems. I don’t know if there will be enough for all 8000000 citizens, but so far there are no problems.
              1. Straus_zloy
                Straus_zloy 31 May 2013 13: 09 New
                -1
                specially for you, professor, an article in the Israeli press for 31 / 5 / 2013:

                Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the Logistics Directorate to provide gas masks to all citizens. Currently, personal protective equipment provided 42% of the population ....

                the cost of the project to provide all citizens of the country with gas masks is estimated at 1,3 billion shekels. The government plans to receive the necessary funds by increasing the amount of monthly contributions to the National Insurance Institute, or by offering citizens to “buy out” gas masks

                polosa.co.il/news/newsrucoil/31may2013mask_006/

                http://www.newsru.co.il/israel/31may2013/mask_006.html
                1. Professor
                  31 May 2013 13: 27 New
                  +1
                  I read it. Now the budget of the Moscow Region is being reduced and terrible scarecrows are being found for the population why this cannot be done. A miracle will happen soon and suddenly there will be gas masks for everyone. fellow
          3. pensioner
            pensioner 28 May 2013 11: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Sinful.


            We know ...
      2. rolik
        rolik 28 May 2013 10: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        In my opinion, in Israel it is also absent, however, as well as panic and confusion.

        Hello. Is it true that when a soldier Tzahal is captured, he is obliged to tell the enemy everything he will be asked about in order to save his life? This, they said, even in the charter of Tsahal is recorded.
        They said this, the memory changed, either in the "International Panorama" when it was still out, or in the "Post-Cryptum", I do not remember exactly where.
        1. Professor
          28 May 2013 10: 21 New
          +5
          Not true. By the way, there is no charter in Tsakhal and therefore nothing is written there. It is assumed that if a fighter is captured, he will not be able to keep military secrets secret for a long time (modern psychotropic drugs will even unleash the language of Rambo), therefore, it is assumed that the enemy knows what the fighter knew and act accordingly.
          1. rolik
            rolik 28 May 2013 13: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Not true.

            Thank you
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 19 New
          +1
          A soldier receives a little book called Pinkas Chevy, a prisoner’s notebook. Each fighter is with him. It contains what the soldier, according to the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War, must say - personal number, name, part number.
    3. Kuzkin Batyan
      Kuzkin Batyan 28 May 2013 12: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: zvereok
      We DO NOT have a civil defense at all. Therefore, God forbid, war happen, there will probably be panic and confusion. I do not want to think what illegal immigrants will do in this case.

      If you have never heard anything, this does not mean that there is no civil defense. In 2005, he descended to the headquarters of the Ministry of Emergencies in his 30 thousandth town under ufa. In the 90s there was an abandoned bomb shelter. Now people are working, a map with bulbs of the entire responsible area is hanging. Signalers sit, for about 40-50 years. They have modern radio stations and necessarily old morse women. With nothing to do, they soldered all kinds of electronics when I had them. Then there are all kinds of warehouses with everything necessary for the population, everything is sealed. The bomb shelter is ready to accept people, all filters are new, generators too. In another part of the city there is a secret warehouse, with necessary products and goods in case of emergency. And this is in a simple town where there is no defense enterprise and nothing at all. On TV, they somehow showed a program about such warehouses, there are up to new fire engines standing there. And the stew from these warehouses is periodically put up for sale in stores, and a new one is imported.

      ps the local university in the year before last they handed some kind of communication, from special communications. They said that in the event of an emergency, the institute’s building will be as a reserve headquarters. My friend there works as a laboratory assistant and part-time as a system administrator, and so they did not trust them to broach this network.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 28 May 2013 11: 14 New
    -5
    Quote: MIKHAN
    In the place of Israel, I would rather conduct exercises on the mass evacuation of the entire population ..


    On ...- oops!
    1. ovgorskiy
      ovgorskiy 28 May 2013 13: 00 New
      +1
      Of course, the Israeli army is strong, well-armed and trained, the state of permanent war makes itself felt. BUT gentlemen, the Israelis, in my opinion, it would be better not to have an army at all and PEACEFULLY live with neighbors than to live 60 years, and wait for the next bomb to fall on you. Dear Israelis, former citizens of Russia and the USSR, would come back to us. Although it’s more victorious here, it’s calmer and you don’t always need to keep a gas mask on hand and run in an air raid shelter when there is an alarm. Clever and hardworking people, we are just as needed now.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 28 May 2013 13: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: ovgorskiy
        Clever and hardworking people, we are just as needed now.

        Schazz. They will return ... Yes, they’ll scatter anywhere just not to Russia. I do not recall a single example of such an event. When Saddam fired rockets at Israel with many (of those whom he knew) hands at the feet and in the states, Canada, Australia ... Israel’s army is certainly good, but there will still be one end. You have to wait ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 May 2013 13: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: retired
          but the end will still be one. You have to wait ...

          Everyone has one end laughing
          1. wax
            wax 28 May 2013 17: 06 New
            +1
            Everyone has one end

            The end is actually one for two, except for gays, of course bully
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 52 New
        -2
        Beautiful fairy tale. Read somehow what the Arab countries said and wrote about the peaceful existence. "Throwing into the sea" was the most peaceful.
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 28 May 2013 13: 53 New
      -1
      Good, good .... It was not for nothing that he indicated the place to which they need to be evacuated.
  • faraon
    faraon 3 June 2013 03: 30 New
    0
    Such exercises were held. But only why they do not have the Ural Mountains nowhere to retreat.
  • Dima190579
    Dima190579 28 May 2013 08: 31 New
    +2
    Let them build the ark and sail away.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 28 May 2013 14: 28 New
      +1
      And deeper.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 28 May 2013 08: 32 New
    +2
    Israel still does not believe that the bear woke up.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 08: 37 New
    +6
    As I understand it, this is a kind of tank advertisement. What kind of fast warrior does the author expect when there are only friends around Israel laughing This time there will be no blitzkrieg, more and more events unfold in a protracted manner.
    1. Armata
      Armata 28 May 2013 08: 42 New
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      as I understand this is a kind of advertising tank

      Hi Sanya. The tank is not bad for a trench war, the thing is different. Will Israel have enough reservists to survive in a protracted war with constant hostilities?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 09: 00 New
        +5
        Quote: Mechanic
        . Is Israel enough reservists to survive

        Hi Zhenya! until the village, Israel had not yet encountered large-scale shelling of the entire country at once. Now Iran, and there are essentially fanatics like in Syria on the side of the Alkaids. They’ll fight to the end. Plus, they will not miss such a show that all radicals will rush to a war with Israel. Israel’s reserve is the United States, but this reserve will end quickly. As soon as it begins to suffer serious losses. All of whom they arm will direct their trunks against amers and Israel.
        1. wk
          wk 28 May 2013 09: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Iran, and there are essentially fanatics as in Syria on the side of the Alkaide.

          Sheit Islam is practiced in Iran and Alkaida is more likely an opponent of Iran and Syria, and currently Alkaida is gradually supported by the USA and Israel.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 24 New
            -1
            Oh how. Is al Qaeda supported by the US and Israel? Anything else smart? If you pay attention, these teachings are not aimed at the regular army, but against the Sunni militants.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 22 New
          -2
          Sasha, you are deeply mistaken. I recommend that you look at the history of the state of Israel - you will be very surprised. Faced more than once, and throughout the history of his new existence.
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 28 May 2013 09: 54 New
        +2
        In a protracted war, the question of economics also arises. Does Israel have the strength / desire to feed a long deployed army. I mean it on my own - not all my life to count on the States, they now have their own problems.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 25 New
          -1
          There are opportunities for this. There was an 18-year operation in Lebanon, there was a 3-year war of attrition, etc.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 21 New
        0
        Zhenya, if you look at previous wars, is enough. Take at least a three-year war of attrition. Or the operation in Lebanon, which went on for almost 18 years.
      4. Setrac
        Setrac 29 May 2013 00: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Mechanic
        Hi Sanya. The tank is not bad for a trench war, the thing is different. Will Israel have enough reservists to survive in a protracted war with constant hostilities?

        Arabs unfamiliar with permanent mobilization, what a protracted war?
    2. adg76
      adg76 28 May 2013 09: 21 New
      +4
      In order for the wolves in the pack to stop biting, you need to give someone to bite from the outside. As soon as Israel attacks the Arab country, all feuds will be forgotten (or almost all for a while) and the Arabs will attack it everywhere. Israel overestimates its strength.
      1. Armata
        Armata 28 May 2013 09: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: adg76
        Israel overestimates its strength.
        Well, let's be objective. The Israeli army is well armed and well prepared, but will they be able to stand up after the strike is a different question and if they stand up to how the conflict will turn out? Do not forget that Turkey and many European countries will support them. We only maliciously rub our hands that Eureka got a large alternative genital organ, but so if that weapon is still in the hands of the Europeans, and not of the hired Arabs.
        1. adg76
          adg76 28 May 2013 09: 52 New
          +2
          Objectively, yes. I agree. But let's look back. France, Germany, USSR, etc. There was a reassessment of their own strengths. It’s different for everyone. But she was
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 10: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Mechanic
          oh so if that weapon is still in the hands of the Europeans, and not of the hitting Arabs.

          But so it is for now! the Islamists don’t even need to take him away; the Europeans themselves are arming them laughing
          1. Armata
            Armata 28 May 2013 12: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            But so it is for now! the Islamists don’t even need to take him away; the Europeans themselves are arming them
            Sanya in the territory of their state they will never give offensive weapons.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 27 New
            -1
            Why do you all exclude the participation of Qatar and Saudi Arabia
        3. bask
          bask 28 May 2013 12: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Mechanic
          Well, let's be objective. The Israeli army is well armed and well prepared, but whether they can steadily

          Hi Eugene. hi
          In connection with all of the above, it is necessary to erase another 2 of the most important factors.
          1. The tiny size of the territory of Israel in which 90% of the population live. ((Derogation excluded))
          2. And the second most important factor. Israel has tactical nuclear weapons, which it will use if it threatens to defeat the army or use chemical weapons by Arabs or Iran.
          Pan..prof..enlighten the members of the forum: how many tactical, nuclear warheads are in Israel.
          B on which media.?
          "" "Mr. Netanyahu casually mentioned the extension of the US-Israeli agreement in a remark that did not attract much attention: the Israeli Channel 2 asked him if he was worried that Mr. Obama’s speech at the UN General Assembly calling for a world without nuclear weapons directly relates to Israel. "From the context of the speech, it was clear that he was talking about North Korea and Iran.

          I want to remind you that during my first meeting with President Obama in Washington, I received from him a distributed list of strategic agreements that have existed over the years between Israel and the United States. This was the few that I requested, and this was the few that I received (this document), ”the Israeli leader said.
          Eli Lake,
          "The Washington Times" "" "[media = http: //www.kbarieru.info/200931/? 31_2_2]

          Production of nuclear weapons at the plant in Dimon (Moson-1).
          1. Professor
            28 May 2013 12: 42 New
            0
            Quote: bask
            Pan..prof..enlighten the members of the forum: how many tactical, nuclear warheads are in Israel.

            Duc about this, no one even knows approximately, just speculation. Even writing about it is not a hunt.
            1. bask
              bask 28 May 2013 12: 54 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              No one even knows about this, just speculation. Even writing about it is not a hunt

              Understand .
              The highest form of secrecy + criminal article, for treason.
              Just for some reason everyone is forgetting about it,
              One has almost told and is 18 years old. Israeli prison.
              The famous nuclear scientist Mordechai Vanunu. Planted in 1986 for treason
              1. atalef
                atalef 28 May 2013 13: 06 New
                +1
                Quote: bask
                The famous nuclear scientist Mordechai Vanunu. Planted in 1986 for treason

                He is not a scientist. (I have a mizhik in my department, I worked with Vanunu in Dimon) Vanunu was a technician at the isotope separation unit.
                In 1976, after reading an announcement that the Dimon Nuclear Research Center needed qualified technicians, Vanunu was interviewed, completed a technician's course, and took on the duties of supervisor of workshop No. 2.

                He did not even have a higher education.
                After completing the service, he entered Tel Aviv University at the preparatory department of the exact sciences, but soon after failing exams, he was forced to interrupt his studies.

                After finishing work. agreement (and as an employee he was simply hopeless)
                In 1985, Vanunu, having seen his surname on the list for dismissal, carried a camera to the territory of the guarded object and shot 57 frames of the secret compartments of the nuclear center in Dimon. Having received severance pay, he flew abroad. In Nepal, Vanunu adopted Buddhism, and in Australia was baptized.

                Everything is much simpler. hi
              2. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 13: 14 New
                0
                The famous nuclear scientist Mordechai Vanunu. Planted in 1986 for treason

                He is not a scientist. Just a technician. Offended that they were going to fire him,
              3. Pimply
                Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 55 New
                0
                He was not a famous nuclear scientist. Technician. Studied at the university failed. He got a job at the very factory, from where he was fired after some time. Offended. I took pictures and sold them. For money.
          2. Chavy
            Chavy 29 May 2013 03: 54 New
            0
            Israel does not have nuclear weapons, Vaanunu is a pawn on PR that they supposedly have. They don’t have nichrome; these crooks are easy to read.
        4. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 27 New
          +1
          These teachings are less targeted against Assad, and much more against his current opponents. Israel has a clear understanding of the situation - that Assad radical militants will come to Assad's place. Read the article again, Zhen, there it is quite clearly indicated.
          1. Chavy
            Chavy 29 May 2013 03: 57 New
            -1
            What are you saying, the Israeli press writes in Hebrew constantly about the removal of Assad. How much can you lie here?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 29 May 2013 13: 41 New
              +1
              Do you read the Israeli press in Hebrew?
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 28 May 2013 10: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: adg76
        In order for the wolves in the pack to stop biting, you need to give someone to bite from the outside. As soon as Israel attacks the Arab country, all feuds will be forgotten (or almost all for a while) and the Arabs will attack it everywhere. Israel overestimates its strength.


        Yeah, and after Israel, where will the Arabs go? Blood has tasted already. Money bags feeding jihad are not taken away in Israel. Jews are trying to get out of this situation with maximum gain / minimum loss. If the Arabs unite - it may happen that it does not work out at all. But against present Syria (without military support by Iran) Israel has very great chances. Against Iran, destroying Syria, Israel has more chances than against the two countries.
        1. adg76
          adg76 28 May 2013 11: 09 New
          +1
          "Yeah, and after Israel, where will the Arabs go?" -There where they will be told. In my opinion, only Iran among the Arabs at the moment has an independent policy. Perhaps with an eye on China and Russia. But vryatli.
          That's it in an attempt "with the maximum gain / minimum loss" -and there is a reassessment of their strength for Israel. It’s easier to control the state than semi-partisan formations with elements of terrorism
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 28 May 2013 11: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: adg76
            It’s easier to control the state than semi-partisan formations with elements of terrorism


            C'mon, it can be easier to keep under control, but it’s easier to fight precisely with partisan formations armed with small arms.

            Iran may eventually conflict with the Saudis (and easily gut them without the support of the international community) with Turkey, here it may have problems even without the international community, and with us, since we are its direct competitors in the Caspian. Well, even with small bipod satellites like Qatar, Azerbaijan, Georgia ...

            We are most pleased with the option for Iran to slaughter the Saudis and bite with Turkey. But at the stage of conflict with Turkey, problems may arise.
            1. adg76
              adg76 29 May 2013 10: 02 New
              0
              Small arms ???? For a long time, these formations have been equipped with heavy small arms, portable anti-aircraft systems, anti-tank systems, and artillery. There are cases of tanks. The only question is the competent use of this technique and weapons. Availability of repair bases and mobile hospitals for lightly wounded
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 29 New
            +1
            Iran is not an Arab country. And you are deeply mistaken. One or another influence of the United States on Arab countries is rather arbitrary - Arabs pursue their interests, and the richer their countries, the more independent interests. A striking example is Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 29 May 2013 00: 57 New
            0
            Quote: adg76
            In my opinion, only Iran among the Arabs at the moment has an independent policy.

            How do you rank the Persians in the Arab))).
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 28 New
          -1
          Arabs have already united against Israel - not once, not two, and not three. Result?
          1. Kuzkin Batyan
            Kuzkin Batyan 28 May 2013 13: 40 New
            0
            The result is that over the years, the technology has improved, before people had no connection and modern technology. Now even Iran and North Korea can make a nuclear bomb and long-range missiles. And against a nuclear bomb there is no reception. The only question is the time when the enemies of Israel will appear if they have not already bought it.
      3. Odysseus
        Odysseus 28 May 2013 15: 50 New
        0
        Quote: adg76
        As soon as Israel attacks the Arab country, all feuds will be forgotten (or almost all for a while) and the Arabs will attack it everywhere.

        Disagreements in the Islamic world are now sharper than disagreements with Israel. And there can’t be any general strike. There is civil war in Syria, chaos in Egypt and Iraq. Jordan is weak and involved in the civil war in Syria.
        Quote: adg76
        Israel overestimates its strength.

        I don’t think. I see only 2 potential military threats to Israel.
        1) Iran’s missile and nuclear program.
        2) Air Force of Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
        But the second threat does not work due to the fact that these countries are US satellites.
        Everything else is not a real danger.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 45 New
          0
          These countries have their own interests. It’s hard to call them satellites.
  • regdan
    regdan 28 May 2013 08: 39 New
    +2
    Throw USA Israel.
  • Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy 28 May 2013 08: 39 New
    -1
    what are you ready for? At 40% of the population there are not enough gas masks, greedy creatures
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 28 May 2013 08: 43 New
      +1
      We here recently wrote off gas masks for horses, maybe Jews offer cheap winked
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        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 28 May 2013 11: 14 New
          0
          well yes for sure smile , yours will not be soon laughing laughing laughing
  • Veter
    Veter 28 May 2013 08: 43 New
    +3
    The article "-", all this is similar to propaganda and bravado. They say we are strong and cool, we are not afraid of anyone. Life can throw things in a different way. Yes, Mr. Ofer Sidon ????

    Py. Sy. Ahhh, it's the stuff of a "professor," then it’s clear.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 09: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Veter

      Py. Sy. Ahhh, it's the stuff of a "professor," then it’s clear.

      He just translated the article.
  • svskor80
    svskor80 28 May 2013 08: 50 New
    +4
    The tzahal is dizzy from constant success in wars with the Arabs. A direct clash with the European army (here I understand a disciplined and tactically competent army) will be a shock, and the Merkava is not a panacea at all. But on the other hand, let them "hover in the clouds", maybe someday you really have to fight.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 28 May 2013 09: 36 New
      +2
      And where do you see such an army among the neighbors of Israel. They learned to fight Arabs well. In addition, the Arabs are constantly biting each other. So far, Jews in this environment feel quite well.
      1. Vrungel78
        Vrungel78 28 May 2013 09: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: sergey32
        In addition, the Arabs are constantly biting each other.

        I won’t be surprised if Israel provokes this squabble.
    2. atalef
      atalef 28 May 2013 11: 56 New
      0
      Quote: svskor80
      The tzahal is dizzy from constant success in wars with the Arabs.

      permanent.

      Quote: svskor80
      A direct clash with the European army (here I understand a disciplined and tactically competent army) will be a shock

      with whom exactly from European countries should Israel fight?

      Quote: svskor80
      But on the other hand, let them "hover in the clouds", maybe someday you really have to fight

      We’ve been fighting for 60 years and not with countries like Georgia, but a little more complicated.
      1. svskor80
        svskor80 28 May 2013 17: 35 New
        -1
        Without detracting from the merits of the IDF, with whom is it more difficult for Georgia you had to fight? Not just the European army, but the European type. You may have difficulties with Iran if it comes to a land campaign. You will be amers
        Ask for help.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 17: 55 New
          +1
          The Georgian army - 32000 people, the armament mainly - outdated samples of Western and Soviet technology, partially modernized, limited aviation forces.
          Let's compare with the armies of the Arab countries, equipped with the latest technology and having in their ranks the number of soldiers exceeding the entire Jewish population of Israel in 1948, for example?
      2. svskor80
        svskor80 28 May 2013 17: 35 New
        0
        Without detracting from the merits of the IDF, with whom is it more difficult for Georgia you had to fight? Not just the European army, but the European type. You may have difficulties with Iran if it comes to a land campaign. You will be amers
        Ask for help.
      3. posad
        posad 28 May 2013 21: 14 New
        -1
        Yes, Jews, they are such Jews. Straight heroes. If not for US help, where were they? This is the first.
        The second one. The United States keeps Israel as a watchdog for its interests in BV.
        The third. The second Lebanese showed that Jews can be very well pecked.
        Fourth. Benny fucked publicly. He wiped himself. The force vector is changing. The USA silently watched and modestly silent. This is normal.
        Fifth. We are waiting for the Israeli strike on Iran. Well, really looking forward. This will be the beginning of the end for Israel.
        Sixth. I take this opportunity to convey my greetings to the Iranian agent in Mossad. I admire his skill
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 22: 01 New
          +1
          1. In the same place as now. The first significant US assistance was provided in 1969, after the victory in the Six Day War. The US rarely invests significantly in outsiders. They invest in everyone, but significantly - only in those countries that can give something in return. Israel took place without their participation.

          2. Israel and the United States have a number of similar interests. And some are great. The fact that the United States has the ability to influence Israel in some (far from all) issues does not make the latter a dog. Israel, when it needs to, pursues a policy fundamentally different from that of the United States.

          3. On TV, yes. Real data speak for themselves. If Israel did not have some restraining principles, there would be little left of Lebanon.

          4. Benny Putin did not have. The chance that the S-300 would not be sent was minimal. All perfectly understood this. They also understand what will happen to the complexes.

          5. We are waiting. What will be the end? In aviation, which is based on US developments half a century ago? Or in the rockets drawn in Photoshop (remember how the launches of idle installations were hidden)?
          1. posad
            posad 28 May 2013 22: 33 New
            -1
            1. Listen, funny, without Americans you are nobody - a filling for shawarma. Got it
            2. Who pays for the girl, he dances her))))))) You and your relatives are held for whores))))
            3. The myth that you know how to fight is dispelled. Invincible Merkava burn very well)))))
            4. I had it. Yes, how! Cheered up by the phone and called on the carpet. He rushed over. He was publicly omitted and thrown out. What is it called? OMITTED and not only him, but all the Jews!))))))))
            5. Wait, but what else remains. You are no longer in the Big Game. The balance of power has changed
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 May 2013 22: 36 New
              +2
              Should I clap while standing or can I sit down?
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 28 May 2013 22: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            4. Benny Putin did not have. The chance that the S-300 would not be sent was minimal. All perfectly understood this. They also understand what will happen to the complexes.

            So, they don’t seem to send it? Or am I confusing something ?. And what will happen to the C300? Jen, enlighten?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 May 2013 22: 54 New
              +1
              The Sunday Times, Dim, you don’t have to believe. Israeli sources have denied. They will send, with most of all, a high degree of probability. And, with the same high probability, these systems will be destroyed: if only because Israel had the opportunity to experiment with the Greek versions.
              In fact, everything was clear - Russia can’t send a system: it will lose face. And Israel cannot allow them to exist either — the probability of them falling into the hands of three extremely undesirable forces is more than high: Iran, Hezbollah, Sunni radicals. So if the missiles have the same story as with the Arctic Sea or with the Syrian reactor, I won’t be surprised
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 28 May 2013 23: 04 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                The Sunday Times, Dim, you don’t have to believe.

                I don’t read the Sunday Times, I don’t know the language. I heard on Business FM, there is such a pro-American station in Moscow.
                Quote: Pimply
                In fact, everything was clear - Russia can’t send a system: it will lose face. And Israel cannot allow them to exist either.

                The situation is stalemate.

                Quote: Pimply
                these systems will destroy

                On the ground or will they hit an already launched rocket? In any case, it is interesting, it will be what our designers improve.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Uncle
                  I don’t read the Sunday Times, I don’t know the language. I heard on Business FM, there is such a pro-American station in Moscow.

                  Yes, I know, I myself am in Moscow now. 8))

                  Quote: Uncle
                  The situation is stalemate.

                  Absolutely. No, that is, of course, Russia could sell missiles through the same Belarus. But here it is important to show the face.

                  Quote: Uncle

                  On the ground or will they hit an already launched rocket? In any case, it is interesting, it will be what our designers improve.


                  How could it even be at sea - if they secretly send 8). I think on earth. It’s unlikely to reach the air here.
              2. ultra
                ultra 28 May 2013 23: 33 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                they are more than likely to fall into the hands of three extremely undesirable forces: Iran, Hezbollah,

                We can supply Iran directly, but don’t tell about Hezbollah, it’s not MANPADS, you won’t train in an hour.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 44 New
                  +1
                  Iran will not deliver anything directly or indirectly to Iran. No fools are sitting.

                  And for two you can’t train. And for three. And if necessary, they can train. And taking into account the close relations of Syria, Iran and Hezbollah ... Look, on Khanit, the S-802 anti-ship missiles were naughty. Someone taught.
                  1. ultra
                    ultra 29 May 2013 00: 04 New
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
                    will not ship.

                    Where does such confidence come from? I see no reason?
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 29 May 2013 00: 11 New
                      0
                      I repeat - not fools. If somehow the internal rhetoric of the Iranians regarding the USSR or Russia would be revered. Or looked at the map. Or they would remember a story.
              3. builder
                builder 29 May 2013 01: 15 New
                0
                I can hardly imagine how it is possible to privately use the C300 for terrorist purposes. This is a system that you need to be able to use. Much more dangerous than MANPADS which are more than enough in Syria are armed with illegal armed groups. C300 in service with the Syrian army is still a deterrent.
                I wonder where the Stingers (US supplies?) And FN-6 MANPADS (Pakistan?) Come from and where they fire.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 29 May 2013 01: 33 New
                  0
                  Well, Hezbollah, for example, is actually an army.
                  1. builder
                    builder 29 May 2013 01: 59 New
                    0
                    At the moment, Hezbollah has at its disposal about 4000 fighters, including reservists (300-400 active bayonets). The most difficult to use weapons are rocket artillery - approximately 76 122 mm self-propelled MLRS on 6x6 trucks (versions of the Soviet Grad systems, including the Iranian copy of Arash ". There are no specialists capable of working with the C300.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 29 May 2013 03: 53 New
                      0
                      Let's just say - the number has increased slightly, and the number of reservists is several times larger. A group can raise up to several tens of thousands of fighters. But what about the incapable - have you heard of the children from the IRGC?
    3. Chavy
      Chavy 29 May 2013 04: 01 New
      0
      The successful victories of Tsakhal are, first of all, the support of the USA in every way, the victory was predetermined. Israel won all wars because it suddenly attacked :) Tales about the fact that Arabs attacked Israel - Israeli propaganda.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 May 2013 13: 42 New
        0
        You have a bad history and good chants.
  • posad
    posad 28 May 2013 08: 59 New
    -2
    They would recall the results of the second Lebanon war. Well-developed anti-tank weapons. Now anti-Israeli forces have much more anti-tank weapons. This is the first.
    The second one. Israel is a US consumable. Yes, he looks after the interests of the Americans in the region, and that's why they support him.
    What's next? But very simple. Syria will defeat terrorists, restore power and take revenge on Israel. With Syria and Hezbollah at hand, Israel will not decide on a conflict with Iran, which means that a nuclear bomb will appear in Iran, which will sooner or later put an end to the existence of the Jewish state.
    For Russia, this scenario is very desirable: oil prices will rise, there will be additional demand for Russian weapons. The USA and China will be drawn into the war. Russia will sympathetically observe from the side ....
  • posad
    posad 28 May 2013 09: 11 New
    +3
    I read the comments and rejoice. How they do not like Jews! I thought one such
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      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 14: 13 New
        0
        "Lies repeated many times become true." Goebbels

        Can you find in the recollections of which prisoner of war this episode was?
        1. Armata
          Armata 28 May 2013 15: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Repeated lies repeatedly become true. "Goebbels

          Can you find in the recollections of which prisoner of war this episode was?
          The namesake is to invent enemies for himself the destiny of the weak. If Israel turns up against us in a war (which is unlikely, the forces are unequal) I will take an automatic machine myself. But after all the Internet to fighters it is necessary to find enemies to itself. So get used to the fact that the Jews are to blame for all the troubles. Although it’s interesting, everyone calls themselves Russian, although they themselves have forgotten that they can be Tatars, Slavs, Bashkirs, Yakuts, etc. Remember that Russian is a common noun and refers to those who live in Russia.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 48 New
            -2
            Yes, I know that very well. They, in addition, for example, cannot imagine how many ethnic Russians who converted to Judaism and become Jews live in Israel. 8)

            For example.

            http://shaon.livejournal.com/8745.html

            And about the water in the tap - I'm already used to 8)
          2. builder
            builder 28 May 2013 20: 45 New
            +4
            I wildly apologize for how magically Israel turns to us in a war. And probably not all Jews, and not all misfortunes, are specific Jews in specific deeds. BEATING JEAS IS EASIER THAN SAVING RUSSIA.
        2. djon3volta
          djon3volta 28 May 2013 15: 57 New
          -2
          Quote: Pimply
          Repeated lies repeatedly become true

          tell me, why are there so many of yours in the Russian opposition? why are there no Chinese or Arabs, Indians, for example, why Jews? and there are so many on TV, why there are so many among Russians? and in the elections - Zhirinovsky and Yavlinsky, it seems that I live in Israel..
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 50 New
            -1
            You explain that in the opposition there are a lot of “ours”, then in power. Where is more?

            Maybe because they occupy an active citizenship? Again, what is stopping you from doing this?
            1. posad
              posad 28 May 2013 21: 49 New
              0
              All the same, Stalin was right to solve the "Jewish" issue))))
          2. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 17: 21 New
            -1
            There are too many Jews everywhere. This is such a national feature. Regarding the Russian opposition - what do you want the doctors, engineers and scientists have left. There were only talkers.
            1. builder
              builder 28 May 2013 20: 51 New
              +2
              Zhvanetsky: In general, there are fewer of them, but everywhere there are more of them.
              1. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 22: 34 New
                +2
                Zhvanetsky: In general, there are fewer of them, but everywhere there are more of them.


                Exactly!

                He also said well about Israel:

                ..Yes, among the fabulous and most beautiful biblical country in the world, 450 thousand discontented Soviet Jews are sitting. Their Russian wives are happy! Their Russian children from their Russian wives from former Russian husbands have long learned the language and become Jews, and only these remain Russian and speak Russian, and cannot ask how to get there, and cannot forget how they were the main mechanics and gynecologists, and sit on the balcony, and look into the distance, which in the new homeland is not.(C)
      2. Professor
        28 May 2013 14: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: djon3volta
        "the Germans made us dig a hole. when the hole was ready, we were built.
        The German officer said: “Now, fail! Jews are out.” “Jump into the hole now! Jews jumped.” - Rus, take shovels and dig in yude! We looked at each other, and no one took up the shovels.
        The German said: - Get out! - rus jump into the hole! bury the rus!
        the Jews grabbed the shovels and began to bury us. when the earth reached us to the waist, the German stopped the Jews and asked: “Well, Russian, did you understand who this is?”
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    3. Uncle
      Uncle 28 May 2013 22: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: posad
      How they do not like Jews!

      And who do they love? Love Tatars or Uzbeks? Do you like Russians, for example, in the USA? Heard, the Russians were taken off the flight, afraid of our speech. In general, hatred seems to be the main leitmotif, the main driving force in history.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 22: 55 New
        +1
        Judging by the surnames, they removed Russian-speaking Jews 8))))
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 28 May 2013 23: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          Judging by the surnames, they removed Russian-speaking Jews 8))))

          Then it’s absolutely hilarious, maybe they spoke Hebrew, but mistook it for Russian?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 16 New
            +1
            No, they spoke it in Russian. The surname of one of the couples was Bitman. 8))

            Although there was a case - the Hasidim prayed were removed, taking for Arabs 8)))
    4. ultra
      ultra 28 May 2013 23: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: posad
      How they do not like Jews! I thought one such

      Do not get carried away, it can become an obsession, and there is not far from the asylum! hi
      1. posad
        posad 28 May 2013 23: 39 New
        -3
        You can see from her ....
        1. ultra
          ultra 29 May 2013 00: 07 New
          0
          Quote: posad
          You can see from her ....

          It has already become! What a shame the lost man!
  • Regis
    Regis 28 May 2013 09: 15 New
    +2
    Do what they get right. If the Sunnis devour Syria and Lebanon, they, like Hitler, will have two paths, either east to Iraq and Iran, or west to Israel. And Israel, like the countries of the West in 1939, will do everything for modern fascists to go east.
    1. atalef
      atalef 28 May 2013 11: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Regis
      If the Sunnis devour Syria and Lebanon, they, like Hitler, will have two paths, either east to Iraq and Iran, or west to Israel.

      95% of Muslims in the world are Sunnis
      1. Regis
        Regis 28 May 2013 13: 47 New
        0
        "95% of the Muslims of the world are Sunnis"
        AND?)
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 May 2013 13: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Regis
          95% of Muslims in the world are Sunnis "
          AND?)

          They will definitely devour them. The Shiites have no chance in this confrontation (if it arises, now it is quite local).
          1. Regis
            Regis 28 May 2013 18: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            They will definitely devour them. The Shiites have no chance in this confrontation (if it arises, now it is quite local).

            By the way, the same thing was said about your country, comparing the population in the Arab countries and in Israel wink
            1. atalef
              atalef 28 May 2013 18: 28 New
              -2
              Quote: Regis
              By the way, the same thing was said about your country, comparing the population in the Arab countries and in Israel

              The comparison is initially not correct. There are simply no Shiite states besides Iran (secular Azerbaijan and the monarchy Bahrain are not taken into account)
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 28 May 2013 18: 32 New
                -1
                Iraq. Now it is actually falling apart Iraq. + Significant dominance in Lebanon
              2. Uncle
                Uncle 28 May 2013 22: 59 New
                0
                Sasha, enlighten me, they write about Shiites, Sunites, is that so important? Are they so convinced Muslims? Is the role of Islam in their lives exaggerated? We also have everything, it seems like Christians, but faith is remembered only at baptism and burial. Aren't most Muslims the same?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 09 New
                  +2
                  It depends on what stages or years. If, for example, we take Northern Ireland, there is a confrontation between Protestants and Catholics.

                  Muslims do the same. In the middle of the century there was a certain relaxation, the so-called modern secular values ​​dominated religion. The "modern state" however, did not last long as a bulwark of ideas. Ethnic-religious affiliation is now coming to the fore. Islam is being radicalized, as Christianity used to be, and the first place comes not only and not so much belonging to the country as belonging to a certain ethnic group and / or religion. Radical Sunnism gravitates to the idea of ​​a worldwide caliphate. It is such a coherent doctrine.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 28 May 2013 09: 21 New
    +3
    Often the “God-chosen” exercises were used, the bench press. They were getting ready for a border war. Without US and NATO support, they would not go into Iran, they wouldn’t be fools. And they wouldn’t have enough forces to bombard nuclear facilities from the air, and they’re deep underground. They would now begin to make friends with Assad quietly, but no overseas friends would not let them. And they understand that if Assad falls, all this unfriendly Islamist gop company will hide in it. Here they are training, getting ready.
  • OTAKE
    OTAKE 28 May 2013 09: 43 New
    +5
    The main thing is that the IDF is ready for any DEVELOPMENT, and the rest does not matter
  • mogus
    mogus 28 May 2013 09: 47 New
    +6
    I dare to suggest that with the announcement of the United States to openly support the "opposition" in Syria, serious mochilo is outlined there. Israel is only preparing for possible consequences (uncontrolled border and crowds of "opposition" with seized weapons and weapons received from the United States).
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 33 New
      -2
      That's right. The US does not support all opposition. They intend to supply conventionally secular forces with weapons in order to counterbalance the gaining power in the Al Qaeda region. In fact, they are terribly afraid.
      1. mogus
        mogus 28 May 2013 17: 45 New
        0
        I don’t know what they are afraid of (Yars, Mace, Poplar definitely instill fear :)), but the "opposition" is a mess that is not controlled at all. What happened in Libya, and to whom did the weapons leave their warehouses ..? What will happen to the weapons that they will supply their type ..? In a not so long time, all weapons will be distributed approximately equally between militants.
        IMHO.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 19: 16 New
          +1
          You are now saying that Libya was a bulwark of peace and prosperity. There, without revolutions, for 30 years they sent weapons around the world and sponsored terrorist groups. Just in the latter case, everything was more obvious. The weapon that was delivered "by one" is left. But what was in the warehouses of Gaddafi - looted.
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 29 May 2013 02: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            The weapon that was delivered "by one" is left. But what was in the warehouses of Gaddafi - looted.


            I mean left? Remained by their own, who looted the warehouses of Gaddafi?
          2. mogus
            mogus 29 May 2013 18: 00 New
            0
            I did not talk about the prosperity of Libya, I do not deny Gaddafi’s support of various rabble, but what they are trying to do there now ... In Libya, a mess in Egypt, it’s not calm, they are trying to dump Syria ... what happened before may seem like a walk , compared to emerging events. It is not for nothing that, in the first place, we are strengthening the Southern Military District.
  • report4
    report4 28 May 2013 09: 58 New
    +2
    Is the tzahal preparing to crap coarse again? lol
    And again, in the "free pgess" this obser will be presented as a major victory.
    1. Professor
      28 May 2013 10: 13 New
      +8
      Who forbids you here to tell us the whole truth in detail? There is no censorship. Go ahead. wink
      1. report4
        report4 28 May 2013 10: 19 New
        -2
        Well, people who are aware of the "military victories" of Israel - they already know, and if they don’t know, then there’s no reason to explain. Who cares - on the adventure, everything was understood in detail.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 10: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        There is no censorship. Go for it

        As this is not a professor, a person can write with mats in an article and then stumbles upon censorship. So there is censorship
        1. Professor
          28 May 2013 10: 25 New
          +1
          There is no censorship here, write what comes into your head. I even doubt that there are moderators here (judging by what comments are easily skipped). wink

          Quote: Vrungel78
          Everyones Jews are, as in any nation. But the state ...... is ......
          1. Straus_zloy
            Straus_zloy 28 May 2013 10: 35 New
            +1
            But is he really wrong?
          2. Vrungel78
            Vrungel78 28 May 2013 10: 44 New
            +3
            Already deleted
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 28 May 2013 11: 54 New
              +3
              Quote: Vrungel78
              Already deleted


              sincere recognition, which means a plus. good
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 10: 49 New
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            I even doubt that there are moderators here (judging by what comments are easily skipped

            Professor, let’s you become a moderator, but what and show an example-as necessary wink
            I think Smirnov will agree.
            1. Professor
              28 May 2013 10: 51 New
              -1
              No thanks. I have already refused this offer. I already spend too much time on the forum.
            2. Straus_zloy
              Straus_zloy 28 May 2013 10: 53 New
              +1
              I think that the professor understands that it is physically impossible to track ALL comments in all topics in real time and react in the same second.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 11: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: Straus_zloy
                that to track in real time ALL comments in all topics and respond at the same second is physically impossible.

                This is already impossible to do, on a site per day more than 3000 clement
              2. posad
                posad 28 May 2013 21: 54 New
                -3
                Why do you call him Professor? Just a Jew - but how else?
                1. alex86
                  alex86 28 May 2013 23: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: posad
                  Just a JEWISH

                  You, apparently, decided that this is an insult?
                  1. posad
                    posad 28 May 2013 23: 29 New
                    0
                    Of course not. Well, let them call me Russian. I'm proud of it
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 46 New
                      +2
                      You are Russian? It’s strange. I think you should add a dash to the column of nationality - fools and Nazis do not have a nationality.
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                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 53 New
                        -1
                        Trolling is bad. Bad trolling is also a pity.
            3. Uncle
              Uncle 28 May 2013 23: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Straus_zloy
              It’s physically impossible to track ALL comments in all topics in real time and react in the same second.

              He is already fighting rudeness and ignorance, an amazingly strong forum member. It will be a pity if he is offended and leaves, how do we find out about life in Israel?
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          1. alex86
            alex86 28 May 2013 23: 08 New
            0
            Quote: wk
            all over Europe

            fascists are called fascists, and only on this site the vital under the nickname wk
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 28 May 2013 23: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: wk
            in all of Europe 85doms are called 85dams

            And in Russia it was, and the word 85id was not considered an insult.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 May 2013 23: 24 New
              0
              But a very long time. However, since the 18th century, it already refers to devalued lexicon, and in the aftermath - to swear words.
              1. wk
                wk 30 May 2013 05: 18 New
                0
                come on, in all the classical literature of the XNUMXth century you will not find another word in Gogol and Dostoevsky and Turgenev.
        3. Apollo
          Apollo 28 May 2013 11: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Professor
          I even doubt that there are moderators here (judging by what comments are easily skipped).


          1. You professor for getting on the minus, and bold. I deleted the comment, the visitor can confirm.
          2. In the link that you have made changes. The reason is that by citing a link with violations of the VO rules, you indirectly also violate the rules.
          3. Well and .....?! laughing
          1. Professor
            28 May 2013 12: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Apollon
            My comment was deleted.

            Thank you anyway. What censure did he receive for violating the rules of the site?
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 28 May 2013 12: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Thank you anyway. What censure did he receive for violating the rules of the site?


              I made a warning. In exceptional cases, I give you a warning, probably guess which ones ?! I don’t like to wave a saber to the right and (or) to the left. I prefer prevention more. But he, a visitor, is already on my note. And yet, never make hasty conclusions .
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 13: 36 New
            -2
            But the merchants wrote a little higher, partially recording the insult? Has it become less offensive from this?
  • Mairos
    Mairos 28 May 2013 12: 16 New
    +6
    You can "love-not love" Israeli state policy, but it’s stupid to "slander" one of the most combat-ready armies in the world with verbal diarrhea. When did he, Tsahal, have a big shit? As far as I remember, this Arab environment of Israel was heavily obscured throughout the second half of the 20th century. Even when they were given quite modern weapons, they did not really know how to use them.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 28 May 2013 10: 23 New
    +7
    If the IDF is ready for "any scenario," then they bought tickets from the US in advance?
    1. Straus_zloy
      Straus_zloy 28 May 2013 10: 37 New
      +2
      if you knew how right you are
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 28 May 2013 10: 34 New
    +2
    The beginning of the article is very encouraging: "What will be the next war on the Northern Front?" Not "how to prevent?", Namely, "what will happen?" There you have the peace-loving Israel. Moreover, the fact that Israel will unleash the war can be judged from the article itself — preparation for offensive actions on foreign territory is described here. Well, there’s no reason to find a problem. It is possible and without reason at all, so cheaper.
  • Net
    Net 28 May 2013 10: 35 New
    +4
    If Israel really wanted stability in the region and, as a consequence, its security, the IDF would have attacked not in Syria, but in Al Qaeda bases in Turkey and Lebanon. And the Jewish lobby in the USA and Europe, the Jewish media would have arranged such a mess and pressure on politicians offering to deliver weapons to Al Qaeda terrorists, which could potentially hit Israel itself.
    1. Roll
      Roll 28 May 2013 10: 58 New
      +2
      love Israel fears only large armies, such as the 6-day war, and different competing gangs are not afraid of it. And so the more different gangs and fewer armies the better for Israel. In principle, it only needs to be crushed by Iran, and then everything is in order.
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm 28 May 2013 10: 39 New
    +1
    The Jews will not fight.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 10: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: dc120mm
      The Jews will not fight.

      If necessary, they will have no choice. Or to fight or they will be cut.
  • Roll
    Roll 28 May 2013 10: 39 New
    +2
    wassat Unfortunately, Israel will win and quite easily. Firstly, Israel has vigorous weapons and it will easily, simply by threat of use and a demonstrative explosion in the desert, stop the conflict in the event of an undesirable scenario, and peacekeepers will come to Israel with a fly. Then the policy of amers gave results. Previously, there were powerful armies of Egypt, Syria, Iraq. Now it’s rabble, not the army. The Israeli army, on the contrary, has strengthened. Merkava beautiful tanks, command and control in Israel at the highest level, brilliant tactics. Training of soldiers and their spirit at the highest level. A simple example, how many Israelis during the Arab wars surrendered at the mercy of the winner ??? And the Arabs gave up divisions.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 28 May 2013 10: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Rolm
      Israel has vigorous weapons and it will easily, simply by threat of use and a demonstrative explosion in the desert, stop the conflict in the event of an undesirable scenario,

      belay belay belay who will allow it to him ???
      1. Roll
        Roll 28 May 2013 10: 54 New
        +2
        bully And who will forbid ???
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 28 May 2013 10: 58 New
      0
      I remember there was such a city of Sparta ... Where is it?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 May 2013 19: 17 New
        0
        Israel with its concern for the disabled, for example, is difficult to attribute to Sparta.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 28 May 2013 10: 56 New
    0
    Quote: zvereok
    Still there is a trump card in the Jews - Nuclear weapons.

    Yeah, after the application of which I see paragraphs in the history books, the state of Israel ceased to exist in the year xxx. 2013! Once again I ask who will allow them to use nuclear weapons?
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 28 May 2013 10: 59 New
      +1
      Who allowed them to bomb Syria? The same will be allowed.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 28 May 2013 11: 02 New
        0
        You do not confuse a ragatka with a grenade launcher. Which state will allow nuclear weapons to be blown up at its borders and imagine what will happen after that.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 28 May 2013 10: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Rolm
    bully And who will forbid ???

    Russia, USA, China ....
    And if they don’t listen, then read the post above from Iran will fly back to them.
    1. Roll
      Roll 28 May 2013 11: 12 New
      0
      am Well, about the United States, China, Europe, it’s just a fantasy. That which will fly from Iran, and why, in response, that there are few deserts. Yes, and Iran is not a suicide, he only speaks menacingly, but acts very rationally and carefully when he steps back , but he and the other enemies now are Qatar and the Saudis, and he can’t mix Israel with this cocktail.
  • zvereok
    zvereok 28 May 2013 11: 03 New
    0
    Quote: avant-garde
    Russia, USA, China ....
    And if they don’t listen, then read the post above from Iran will fly back to them.


    Well, nuclear weapons in the defense doctrine of our country will be used only in case of a threat to the existence of the state. Why don't the Jews do this when it will be their last chance for them?

    Then, like the Americans, they write that they used nuclear weapons only to bring the end of the war and save thousands of lives.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 28 May 2013 11: 07 New
      0
      While the heads of state with nuclear weapons have at least a milligram of the brain, no one will use it !!!!
    2. aquatic
      aquatic 28 May 2013 22: 37 New
      0
      You're wrong.
      Excerpts from the doctrine of the Russian Federation

      "The military policy of the Russian Federation is aimed at preventing an arms race, deterring and preventing military conflicts, improving the military organization, forms and methods of using the Armed Forces and other troops, as well as weapons for the defense and security of the Russian Federation, as well as the interests of its allies. "

      "Avoiding Nuclear Military Conflict, like any other military conflict, - the most important task of the Russian Federation. "

      "The Russian Federation reserves the the right to use nuclear weapons in response to use against her and (or) its allies of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation using conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is jeopardized. "
  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 28 May 2013 11: 22 New
    0
    Israel did not need to bomb Baghdad, but to agree on assistance to Syria on the condition that it would not support Hezbollah in aggression against Israel. In this situation, Assad, I think, would go for it. On the one hand, the remaining more or less adequate government in a neighboring country, on the other, a reduction in tension on the border with Lebanon. When Assad falls, al-Qaeda will certainly get along with weapons specialists who know how to handle these weapons (smut for Israel). So I think Israel needs to do everything so that Assad can stand it.
    1. igor67
      igor67 28 May 2013 11: 43 New
      +3
      Damascus, not Baghdad, Assad does not want to negotiate, he is not satisfied with one point: recognition of the state of Israel, when recognizing Syria, they must return the Golan Heights, why he does not sign the agreement in my opinion, and so it’s clear, Iran is the sponsor of Syria and will not allow to sign a peace agreement
      1. apro
        apro 28 May 2013 13: 31 New
        -3
        Well, when did Israel return something?
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 May 2013 13: 34 New
          +6
          Quote: apro
          Well, when did Israel return something?

          Sinai - to Egypt, the territory of Jordan - this is at the conclusion of peace.
          Came out of Gaza and Lebanon.
          1. apro
            apro 28 May 2013 14: 29 New
            0
            Well, well, from Sinai and who begged? You can’t say. From Gaza and Lebanon it’s right to catch what is in the midst of devastation.
            1. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 14: 56 New
              +2
              Well, give examples from recent history, which victorious aggressor country returned to the lost territory. Assad was offered by the Golan in exchange for peace. Why on earth return the strategic heights from which, incidentally, in the past, the Syrians fired on the whole of northern Israel without a peace treaty?
              1. apro
                apro 28 May 2013 15: 15 New
                0
                Quote: Tourist Breakfast
                . Assad was offered by the Golan in exchange for peace.

                and the same answer
                Quote: Tourist Breakfast
                why return the strategic heights from which, incidentally, in the past, the Syrians fired on the entire north of Israel, without a peace treaty?
                1. Tourist Breakfast
                  Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 16: 26 New
                  +1
                  Where is the contradiction? Reread again. The formula is "peace in exchange for territory." There is no peace, no territories.
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 51 New
                  0
                  Exactly. You do not see a bunch? Assad did not agree to a peace treaty.
            2. atalef
              atalef 28 May 2013 18: 32 New
              0
              Quote: apro
              Well, well, from Sinai and who begged? Will not say

              I will say it. Anwar Saddat kicked out the owls. specialists, came on a visit to Israel. spoke in the Knesset. Then they made Camp David’s world and got Sinai almost to the last meter, didn’t want to take Gaza for any carriage (even under the threat of not concluding an agreement). Gaza has always been related to Egypt. and now you answer me. why Egypt never wanted Gaza back (although Egyptian citizens who called themselves Palestinians lived there exclusively). Throw the version. interesting.
      2. aquatic
        aquatic 28 May 2013 22: 50 New
        0
        because why they didn’t let the UN commission investigate the use of chemical weapons by terrorists, the commission suddenly besides investigating wanted a lot more)), and in exchange for the Golan Heights, besides peace and recognition, a few more points were needed in the agreement) that you apparently forgot about, or decided not to mention)
  • mogus
    mogus 28 May 2013 11: 29 New
    0
    just drew attention to the title of the article. "development", what letter is superfluous?
  • Gur
    Gur 28 May 2013 12: 09 New
    +8
    The people fucked ... that you are rubbing your hands here, did you want a war? If something happens, it can come to everyone and everyone. Everyone is waiting with bated breath who will start the first, Korea, Israel, China, Syria, Iran? We would have to gain strength by ourselves, and by our own will crush everyone, and not like now, we only shake our heads judgingly, but in the forests and in the valleys themselves, bearded uncles are running and the jihadists have reached the far north. Why rejoice that Israel, Lyuley Israel will give Arabs, for us any result will be crap. That some, that others are not gut for us. And we must, by any means, achieve those goals that are beneficial to us, and not scour Libya, Iraq, Syria. Yes, of course, they are still those friends, but there are some, and since we are already on the island, there are only peaceful neighbors and “brothers” around, and each of us has a fig in our pocket at best.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 May 2013 13: 08 New
    -2
    Quote: omsbon
    Quote: MIKHAN
    In the place of Israel, I would rather conduct exercises on the mass evacuation of the entire population ..

    Looking where they are going to evacuate? If to us, then do not!
    Maybe it’s better for them to stay in place and try to make peace. Although unlikely Zionism feeds on blood!

    Interestingly, how do Jewish tanks burn, with thick greasy smoke or liquid, sickly smoke?

    It’s better not to smell it .. (there will be a stink on the whole world) ...
  • apro
    apro 28 May 2013 13: 12 New
    0
    Israel is always ready to jump on anyone from its neighbors at the command of Amer Fas. Yes, there are morally always ready forces and opportunities, but what all this will lead to a big question, because destroying Arab states with a stable structure, the Israelis will provoke a big world fire to put out which will be problematic but simply no one . What threatens us with Russian unpredictable consequences.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 May 2013 13: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: bask
    Pan..prof..enlighten the members of the forum: how many tactical, nuclear warheads are in Israel.

    Duc about this, no one even knows approximately, just speculation. Even writing about it is not a hunt.

    Not really Iran already sold .. or North Korea ... or Nasrallah right away ... ??? They will start looking, but no .. (the new genocide is ready for another hundred years, you can cry ..)))
  • Armata
    Armata 28 May 2013 13: 51 New
    +5
    What are the faults of people who live in Israel? Why do you get into questions of a foreign country? Explain to the dumb why we are not thinking about our country, but about what is happening outside its borders? Why do we think that our partner is Syria and not Israel?
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 28 May 2013 14: 15 New
      +7
      There are many reasons in my opinion:
      1) The tradition of blaming the Jews for everything ... and if they are not blamed, then what? Chtol themselves are to blame for something? And so convenient ... everything can be dropped on them.
      2) Relations with Israel we pissed off ... in the 50s. Resentment. Resentment breeds hatred.
      3) Repeating after others "the Jews are to blame" is easier than thinking for yourself
      4) On this site, with the magic words “here we show them”, “when are they all finally ...?” "they are to blame for everything .." you can pick up the pluses))) Epaulettes, so to speak, do not press.
      P.S. Looking at the representatives of the Russian People on this site, I think that I'm even more German than Russian ... it's hard for me to understand the hatred of the people that you really don’t know ... I guess I grew up in paradise ... I knew from childhood was friends with people of different nationalities. We are friends now, though it has scattered around the world. There are many Jews whom I am grateful that they were in my life: friends, friends, companions (worked a lot with Jews ... the only ones who did not throw me into business) ... in the end, a Jewish doctor who trained me from the other world ... eh. How easy it is to hang tags, how difficult it is to get rid of them later
      1. shamil
        shamil 28 May 2013 14: 39 New
        0
        don’t take it so people write pro-Jews meaning Israeli policy
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 28 May 2013 14: 47 New
          +3
          I also don’t always like Israeli politics ... but only a few write about politics. In most cases, this is just hatred of the whole people ...
          P.S. I also don’t always like the politics of Russia ... but it doesn’t stop me from loving the Russian People
    2. Yuriwhite
      Yuriwhite 28 May 2013 14: 29 New
      -2
      I will be brief. Everything is just Syria is our partner and Israel is not. Why? Questions to Israel and the USA.
      1. Armata
        Armata 28 May 2013 14: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: YuriWhite
        I’m brief. Everything is just Syria is our partner and Israel is not. Why? Questions to Israel and the USA.
        How much do we get from Syria trade and how much from Israel? And what is Syria our partner in addition to obtaining creditors and to receive our weapons for them?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 14: 44 New
          +3
          There is another write-off of $ 9 billion somewhere was 8)
        2. atalef
          atalef 28 May 2013 14: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: Mechanic
          How much do we get from Syria trade and how much from Israel? And what is Syria our partner in addition to obtaining creditors and to receive our weapons for them?

          I asked the same question more than once. The turnaround between Israel and Russia is many times greater, the number of Russian citizens in Israel is 10 times greater than in Syria, not a single Israeli fighter has been seen in Russia - but nonetheless, the enemies are us.
          Theater of the Absurd
          1. Yuriwhite
            Yuriwhite 28 May 2013 14: 49 New
            -2
            And where is commodity circulation when geopolitical interests are at stake? It’s good to drive the wave :(
            1. Armata
              Armata 28 May 2013 15: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: YuriWhite
              And where is commodity circulation when geopolitical interests are at stake? It’s good to drive the wave :(
              Well, yes geopolitics is striving only on ascetic principles. It’s good to be naive and not count money. Countries do not have friends, but have economic interests. It always has been and will be.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 14: 51 New
            +2
            If you clarify the figures, then in 2009, trade between Russia and Syria amounted to $ 702 million, and between Russia and Israel - more than 4 billion. On the other hand, not everything is decided only by commodity circulation. Syria for Russia is a traditional outpost in the Middle East, especially important in light of the loss of other positions. However, the outpost is very expensive.
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 29 May 2013 01: 06 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Theater of the Absurd

            Israel is an ally of Russia's main enemy, and no matter how many former Soviet Israel is in Israel, and what the turnover is.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 29 May 2013 01: 33 New
              -1
              Are you sure that the USA is the main enemy of Russia? Rather, the main horror story. The main enemy now owns the second largest economy in the world.
          4. ars_pro
            ars_pro 29 May 2013 01: 47 New
            0
            Everything is true, the theater of the absurd, the war began when, Assad was legitimate, as the ruler of his country, could leave peacefully after the deadline set by each president, and the invasion (no need to talk about the militants where they came from) is not only in the best case makes it possible to stay in power, at worst, the Syrian people will rally it and talk about who is who in this game.
        3. Yuriwhite
          Yuriwhite 28 May 2013 14: 47 New
          0
          How can a sergeant teach a general :)?
          Syria is our geopolitical strategic ally, unlike Israel, and the latter will never be so.
        4. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 2 June 2013 21: 10 New
          0
          If Syria falls, Qatar’s rival to Gazprom, draws a gas pipeline to Europe through Syria and Turkey. Prices will fall and we with our raw materials economy in Zh. Pe, There’s nothing to pay pensions, the social program will collapse! What will happen in the country? That's right-Riot !!! And then, there’s nothing for us Wahhabis !!!
      2. myfutureamerica. org
        myfutureamerica. org 28 May 2013 16: 36 New
        +3
        The USA has no partners, as they don’t need to: sit across the ocean, forced the whole world to a dollar due to a guarantee of petrodictors and fear of the USSR / Russia, incite stupid leaders of the koad to their advantage (Georgia). Anti-Semitism on this surrender is amazing. I can absolutely accurately predict that this social vice is comparable to alcoholism, drug addiction, smoking. A country that does not get rid of these diseases is lost. Let’s see what will happen to Europe if there is growth of ekstemalny Islam, anti-Semitism. Patriots love their homeland, while nationalists hate others.
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 28 May 2013 16: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: myfutureamerica. org
          Patriots love their homeland, while nationalists hate others.


          As for this part - Bravo!
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 2 June 2013 21: 32 New
          0
          The USA is a country of emigrants? During colonization, you destroyed an Indian more than you lost in all your wars! And the main emigrants are Jews! Who at the top of the ruling elite is the Jewish bankers! How did they become rich you did not think? Very simply, they came up with a freebie, loan interest and Idol to Mammon! In the Old Testament, everyone himself and painted how Jews live !! Read, interesting! How to lower the gentiles, everything is planned! Why love the Jews because they rob you? You won’t wait! Love and respect must be earned! And who sponsored Hitler, don’t you remember? Jewish bankers of the USA and during the war their factories in Germany worked for Hitler and their "allies" did not bomb! For this, to love the Jews?
    3. Yuriwhite
      Yuriwhite 28 May 2013 14: 44 New
      -1
      To be completely cynical. The people who live in Israel are to blame for allowing their leadership from the day the state was founded to this day to pursue such a disastrous foreign policy proceeding from the domestic one, setting all neighbors against themselves.
      1. Armata
        Armata 28 May 2013 15: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: YuriWhite
        The people who live in Israel are to blame for allowing their leadership from the day the state was founded to this day to pursue such a disastrous foreign policy proceeding from the domestic one, turning all neighbors against themselves.
        That is, we are to blame for Russia that our army has collapsed and Taburetkin is still at large? Are we to blame for the fact that military generals are being planted and killed? Now the whole site is in joy about the appointment of Shaigu, a panacea for a pancake, this is not a panacea, but patching holes. I will say easier. Look first at what color your diaper is, and only then poke at others.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 15: 44 New
          +1
          Zhenya, why are you making a noise? Good cons to hand out, went to drink beer.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 54 New
          0
          The question here is about patching holes is very big. Under him there is about the same reform as under Serdyukov. And Serdyukov was kicked simply because his grandmothers began to be carried not by the military, but by civilians. Forgot to share. If you look at the extent of theft in the Ministry of Emergencies under him, recent fires can very well remind of this.
  • atalef
    atalef 28 May 2013 14: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: Pimply
    For Israel, that the Syrian opposition, focused on al-Qaeda, that Assad with Hezbollah and Iran are both not ice. Why would Israel push any of them now, when both sides are so passionate about each other.

    Why do we need a three-on-one cc? when they are so cute friend - another passionate
  • atalef
    atalef 28 May 2013 14: 15 New
    0
    Quote: zvereok
    Here you are right. Obtained only through Iraq

    And in Iraq ....... Continue the thought
    hi
  • Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 28 May 2013 14: 27 New
    -2
    And why are some so excited about the "invincible" army of Israel? Yes, when the natives of the USSR and other countries of the WWII participants created a really combat-ready army there. Although the forces had to be put into a political settlement. For more than 60 years, quarreling with all neighbors is the height of political "professionalism"! Although this is a different story. About the army - at the moment it is the army of an ordinary dwarf state contained exclusively on US money and not having its own military-industrial complex. The notorious pride - the chariot is collected from the world by thread - this is an occasion for pride. Yes, there are a couple of really combat-ready teams there, the rest is no better than reservists. A vivid evidence of the "power" of the Israeli army is Cast Lead. Where in the fight against poorly armed raggers suffered the loss of more than 70 units of armored vehicles. The Israeli army is a US army in miniature - for the most part, solid Hollywood, which is actually not surprising, and will quickly merge in a collision with a real army. For I repeat the army of Israel and indeed Israel is not the same as it was in 60-70 years. And the experience of the constant struggle with the ragged people with real hostilities will not help.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 May 2013 14: 41 New
      +3
      The base of the army was created there by local guys, for the most part. On the model of the English army. Yes, there were quite a few people who had already fought, but either the natives of the country or people already living in it dominated the army.

      Quarrel - you call the initial statement of the Arab countries that the Jews should be thrown into the sea, what the Arab countries and do after the departure of the British?
      1. Yuriwhite
        Yuriwhite 28 May 2013 14: 53 New
        0
        Comrade captain - local guys - were entirely bandyugan or rebels in modern fashion. And an army of them was made by WWII participants who arrived for permanent residence.

        Israel initially behaved provocatively on previously alien territory for which, in fact, it is still paying, and most importantly, does not draw any conclusions. Position - a good Arab - a dead Arab will never lead to peace.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 16: 56 New
          -1
          You poorly know the history of the Middle East in general, and Israel in particular.
    2. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 14: 59 New
      0
      Meanwhile, in an alternate reality ...

      About the army - at the moment it is the army of an ordinary dwarf state contained exclusively with US money и not having your defense industry. Notorious pride - the chariot is assembled around the world - This is a reason for pride. Yes, there are a couple of really combat-ready teams there, the rest is no better than reservists. A vivid evidence of the "power" of the Israeli army is Cast Lead. Where in the fight against poorly armed raggers suffered the loss of more than 70 units of armored vehicles.
      1. Yuriwhite
        Yuriwhite 28 May 2013 15: 03 New
        +1
        And what's wrong? Or essentially nothing to argue? Or ashamed to admit the truth?
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 28 May 2013 15: 23 New
          +1
          And what's wrong? Or essentially nothing to argue? Or ashamed to admit the truth?


          Everything is "wrong" there. What is especially “not so” I highlighted with a bold.
        2. il grand casino
          il grand casino 28 May 2013 15: 32 New
          +2
          Do not love Jews - your right. Do not carry nonsense. Do you at least look at the military-industrial complex in Israel (if I am not mistaken in 5th place in the export of weapons), then write
  • shamil
    shamil 28 May 2013 14: 28 New
    0
    Syria will not face anything serious if Russia maintains a presence at our base in Syria. No one will forbid us to make a friendly visit to the fleet
    / and in sex in a threesome Syria will be on top /
  • ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 28 May 2013 14: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    Beautiful fairy tale. Read somehow what the Arab countries said and wrote about the peaceful existence. "Throwing into the sea" was the most peaceful.

    So what have they written about, a lot of things are written in the newspapers. The United States wanted the USSR to be razed to the ground, but now it’s like “partners”. Well, in extreme cases, hire Gorbachev, while he is alive, he will quickly arrange a world peace for you.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 May 2013 14: 43 New
      0
      It is one thing only to write, another to take action in parallel. The Arab countries were not limited to declarations and made attempts.
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 28 May 2013 14: 46 New
    +2
    Everything will be as always. Someone will be the first to press the red button, they will answer him, civilians will die again on either side, but when someone's victory begins to emerge, a formidable cry from the outside will follow, supported by the friendly roar of the defenders of various rights and silence again. No one needs any victory there. Here is the state of permanent war. Yes, this is a bottomless barrel of gold. Scoop I do not want. And who does not want to scoop up? Everyone will want to. And why do they want to? Already scooped up. And how long
  • Armata
    Armata 28 May 2013 14: 46 New
    +4
    Well, I read komenty. Well, what will come the invincible Russian army and tear all? what do the writers themselves go shoot? Who needs a war at all? I will answer it myself. war is needed for boys with unfulfilled ambitions. Implement them better in the COP.
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 28 May 2013 14: 49 New
      +4
      Gold words. But which one wants to listen? Especially since shouting "Hurray," "Down," and "tear them all to hell," they will not be heard.
    2. Yuriwhite
      Yuriwhite 28 May 2013 15: 00 New
      -1
      Break if necessary. The main task of the Russian Federation is simple in this matter to prevent external aggression in Syria and to shorten the United States loving populations from the chain.
  • Alexander-Tomsk
    Alexander-Tomsk 28 May 2013 17: 19 New
    0
    I can note one thing in the article - advertising of Jewish technology.
    I wonder why all the generals plan to conduct military operations on foreign territory and with little blood.
  • wax
    wax 28 May 2013 17: 37 New
    0
    http://nvo.ng.ru/history/2012-03-02/15_mig.html
  • Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 28 May 2013 17: 48 New
    +1
    I'm afraid if you replace the T-72 with Merkava and put it in the same meat grinder of fights that are now in Syria, then such tanks on planet Earth will no longer remain at all.
  • Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 28 May 2013 17: 56 New
    0
    I looked at the tanks and thought about the AOI tank division of the IDF, comrades who know can give a platoon-company-battalion a layout for interest.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 28 May 2013 19: 35 New
    0
    Well, there’s no bazaar, the coolest tanks and soldiers in the world of course in the IDF)). Tsahal is power)))). Especially when against them with a reed and on an old T-72. Well, even in such cases, the Israelis manage to lose like in Lebanon in the last war (to lose, because with that amount of modern equipment and soldiers this is a loss and nothing else), and there Merkava was burnt and the specialists from Galan were crushed and all with Soviet Kalash and Russian anti-tank installations bearded men from Hezbollah)). True, the Israelis do not like to remember that meat grinder, apparently they want to forget it like a nightmare, but we will remind that we would not be impudent. The new Merkava will also burn - I guarantee.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 May 2013 19: 44 New
      0
      And what do you see the Israeli loss in Lebanon? The retreat of Hezbollah from the borders or the cessation of rocket attacks on northern Israel?
      Nemeryano - is it 5 destroyed tanks?
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 28 May 2013 20: 57 New
        +1
        Your short memory is pimply)). The Israeli army suffered serious losses in this conflict and it’s far from five tanks (where does this figure come from, do you have exact numbers from the Mossad? This is propaganda))) and a handful of soldiers, but much more (Israeli special units were ambushed and " the soldiers in funny hats "died in dozens (remember the hospital), as well as captured soldiers, detonated equipment, real shelling of cities. When the Israeli leadership realized that it would not work like Palestinians, but they had to fight with a real enemy, both the public and the world in Israel itself was far from your side, compromised (for the first time I decided to come to an agreement) with Hezbollah and here you are right to withdraw troops from a small occupied territory in exchange for ceasing shelling by Hezbollah. And so as not to lose face - in accordance with the UN resolution But the face was still lost, so don’t have to sing about great victories - pick up the press, video materials of that time and delve into, delve into the navel Grunt, there is something to think about ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 May 2013 21: 07 New
          +1
          What do you call serious losses? 130 people? Yes, serious for Israel, especially given the fact that most of these losses are due to unwillingness to harm civilians.

          On the tanks. I have data from reports that are currently in the public domain and research. For example, a very meticulous study of General Yitzhak Ben-Israel and another study - Oleg Granovsky. 5 tanks were destroyed, 2 of them at WU. Killed 25 tankers, 24 penetrations with 53 tank defeats. Give me your source, maybe?

          The captured bodies of the killed reservists, do you mean this? What, in fact, did the war begin with?

          Hezbollah did not agree. Hezbollah was FORCED. Sorry, this is a slightly different thing.
          1. posad
            posad 28 May 2013 21: 24 New
            -1
            http://clubs.ya.ru/4611686018427437926/replies.xml?item_no=1818 Читаю про потери евреев и наслаждаюсь!
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 28 May 2013 21: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: posad
              http://clubs.ya.ru/4611686018427437926/replies.xml?item_no=1818 Читаю про потери евреев и наслаждаюсь!

              It is as much as you like. For me, anti-Semitism at the computer is quite an acceptable figure. I don’t like Arabs, you are Jews. Until dislike has poured into pogroms of women and children, this does not bother me.
        2. posad
          posad 28 May 2013 21: 37 New
          -1
          Jews remind me of Georgians. Also heroes))))))) They ran and fertilized the battlefield. But it turns out that they are so special - they kept personnel))))) So are the Jews. The losses were serious. Yes, some of the tanks were restored. So what?
          But I wonder how they will respond to more serious missiles? The iron cupola is a complete fiction))))) Let them have brains for the further cutting of American grandmas)))))))))
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 28 May 2013 22: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: posad
            So are the Jews. The losses were serious. Yes, some of the tanks were restored. So what?
            Serious about what? Of the 52 affected tanks, 5 were destroyed, 11 sent to the factory, and the rest returned to service within 48 hours.
            But I wonder how they will respond to more serious missiles? The iron cupola is a complete fiction))))) Let them have brains for the further cutting of American grandmas)))))))))

            In 1991 Israel fell 52 BR ScudB from Iraq. Nothing, anyone ran. LCD is a fiction? Well, let it be so. good
    2. atalef
      atalef 28 May 2013 20: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      True, the Israelis do not like to remember that meat grinder, apparently they want to forget it like a nightmare, but we will remind

      Remind it to Nasrallah (that he won), maybe he’ll come out of the bunker (otherwise he’s been sitting there for 7 years now, communicating with everyone exclusively on TV.) Or Hezbollah, or something for 7 years. but not a single shelling or provocation on her part, and if someone like the Palestinians shoots from Lebanon. then Hezbollah first yells - it's not us.
      Winners laughing
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 28 May 2013 21: 08 New
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        Well, we agreed)))) Winners))))
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 28 May 2013 21: 22 New
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          Here I am interested in discussing with pimply, not that this militant mouse))))
          Pimpled, and do you think the losses you cited are insignificant? Yes, your data on losses for the Israeli army against klashnikovymi and grenade launchers (albeit high-tech) is very serious! Although I have other numbers, a little but more. Referring to the reluctance to destroy civilians? Sorry, but this is babble, dropping cluster and phosphorus bombs (there’s a video on the Internet if you don’t clean it up, do you understand the mossad))) you say in Palestine and Lebanon that you didn’t want to destroy civilians and because of this such losses? Nonsense.
          Captured reservists do not count.
          "Hezbollah didn’t agree. Hezbollah was FORCED. It's, I'm sorry, a few different things." - I do not agree, both sides were forced. Forced due to losses, due to pressure from the international community, Israel was forced to and because of dissatisfaction with the operation of its population.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 May 2013 22: 29 New
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            Oh, why are you so killing, you are not so killing.

            For Israel, any losses are significant, whether it be 121 dead soldiers in 100 days of the Second Lebanon, or 2569 dead in two weeks or more in the Doomsday War, or 13 dead in Cast Lead.

            You foolishly judge civilian casualties, absolutely not knowing what they are when no one pays attention to them. You just don’t have a clue about this.

            And excuse me, it's interesting to discuss with a person who knows, and not with someone who just speaks his tongue. Sorry, you are uneducated.
      2. posad
        posad 28 May 2013 21: 30 New
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        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 29 May 2013 10: 25 New
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          ))) That's exactly pimply, which was required to prove, when the arguments end, insults begin. I have an idea about everything and I have the same opinion about everything. about my education - there are so many that I can even get hooked. I will not forgive, maybe God will forgive what I doubt very much ..
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 May 2013 13: 44 New
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            Sorry, should I give arguments to a person who lives on slogans and does not know at least some facts? It's pointless. And who are you to forgive me here? If it is, education - share. Only them, not chants.
            1. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 29 May 2013 19: 40 New
              +1
              Are you angry?))). Bravo))). And as for forgiveness, you Israelis should ask him from God, and not from me. You are also "smart" turns out)))). Are you angry?))))) It’s incomparable pleasure to communicate with you .....)))))))))))). Go on ...
  • OLGRIN
    OLGRIN 28 May 2013 20: 36 New
    +8
    I ask for political enlightenment. I do not understand this story with Syria and Israel.
    Well, what kind of Syrians do we have strategic partners? Well, the base there and the arms market. Just not enemies. Do you think in real not their war they will support us? Do not you think that Israel as a partner would be more interesting to us?
    That's just everyday. Have you ever tried to speak with a living Syrian? With us they live and work across the road (students), I see them every day. For example, I have nothing to talk with them about the general topic of n-and-to-a-o-o-th. So try to live in the same room, for example, with an Iranian (I had such an experience) on the second day he wants to strangle him.
    But I can live heart to heart with a Jew (I studied with them, worked and played sports): I get drunk, and fight, and talk about literature and technology and politics and women and music and sports. My experience suggests that if Jews are forced to fight, then other methods no longer work.
    The anti-Jewish degree on this site goes through the roof, why I also do not understand. Have you forgotten the merits of the Jews in our science? Forgot how many Jews did in the creation of our weapons?
    Forgot how many Jews fought in World War II in our army? And at least one Arab on our side fought? I do not know this, although it may be. In general, Israel is where this brainchild of the USSR is located.
    1. posad
      posad 28 May 2013 21: 17 New
      -1
      Probably a Jew himself?
      1. OLGRIN
        OLGRIN 28 May 2013 21: 27 New
        0
        No, I'm the worst combination for them.
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          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 28 May 2013 23: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: posad
            Why are you polishing their ass?

            You are not under the bunks in the zone. Please respectfully address the participants in the discussion.
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  • OLGRIN
    OLGRIN 28 May 2013 20: 40 New
    +2
    Where did I get the Amer flag?
    I live in Alma-Ata.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 28 May 2013 23: 38 New
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      Quote: OLGRIN
      Where did I get the Amer flag?
      I live in Alma-Ata.

      Is Alma-Ata not in America? laughing
  • Mechanismoid
    Mechanismoid 28 May 2013 21: 07 New
    +1
    Good day! Borders - a separate salute and congratulations drinks I have a question for Mr. Professor: could you outline in general terms what the soldiers say in the video you quoted?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 May 2013 21: 13 New
      +1
      I’ll briefly translate, because there is no professor. The video was shot six months after the Cloud Pillar.

      The shooting company is deployed near Gaza. They note a decrease in tension, but not its absence. They see their task in maintaining this position and protecting the civilian population from possible dangers.
    2. Professor
      28 May 2013 21: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Mechanoid
      I have a question for Mr. Professor: could you outline in general terms what the soldiers say in the video you quoted?

      First Officer: We are deployed almost to the floor of Gaza. Before Pillar of Fire operations, almost daily clashes took place, now it’s quiet.
      The second soldier with glasses: We were told that there is a war in Gaza and arrived here with certain hopes, but after the Pillar of Fire there is quiet, although there is tension.
      The third soldier is also about shelling from Gaza before and silence now.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 28 May 2013 22: 04 New
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        Quote: Professor
        it is quiet here although there is tension

        Guerrr Professor Thank you for the article.
        Although of course this is far from what I would like to see.
        I expect in the future to see a completely “carrot turned inside out” with the lay