Israeli 20mm and 23mm anti-aircraft guns

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Israeli 20mm and 23mm anti-aircraft guns

Historically, various types of 20mm anti-aircraft guns with magazine and belt feed formed the basis of the Israeli anti-aircraft artillery, available for combating air attack weapons operating at low altitudes. Due to their high rate of fire, the automatic 20mm cannons in service in the 1950s and 1960s delivered a density of fire comparable to 12,7-14,5mm machine gun mounts, and on the six-barreled Vulcan self-propelled anti-aircraft guns delivered in the mid-1970s, they had a significant advantage. In terms of accuracy and effective range, the 20mm and 14,5mm anti-aircraft guns are roughly equal, but the 20mm shell has a greater mass and internal volume, resulting in greater destructive power.

First towed, and then self-propelled, 20mm anti-aircraft guns were actively used in all Arab-Israeli wars. But while from the late 1940s to the mid-1980s, small-caliber automatic cannons were primarily designed to engage low-altitude aerial targets, subsequently, until their decommissioning in the 21st century, 20mm ZSUs primarily provided fire support to IDF ground units.



During the 1973 Yom Kippur War, the Israel Defense Forces captured a significant number of Soviet-made ZU-23 towed twin anti-aircraft guns and operated them until the mid-1980s. They also attempted to use the 23mm artillery guns to create self-propelled anti-aircraft guns based on American-made half-track armored personnel carriers.

20mm Polsten anti-aircraft guns


Several sources claim that even before the official formation of the State of Israel, Jewish armed forces were armed with 20mm Polsten anti-aircraft guns. However, it is unclear which specific guns are being referred to. The British Army had single- and quadruple-barreled guns in service during World War II.

The 20mm Polsten anti-aircraft gun is a member of a family of 20mm automatic cannons created by the Swiss company Oerlikon, which served in the arsenals of nearly all combatant countries during World War II. It's very interesting. story The development of this artillery system. The Polsten was initially developed in Poland, which is reflected in its name. Polish engineers were attempting to simplify the design of the Oerlikon anti-aircraft gun, making it faster-firing, lighter, and cheaper. However, before Poland fell to the Nazis, they were unable to produce the design in metal, and the developers fled to the UK, taking the technical documentation with them.

Production of the single-barrel mount began in the first half of 1944. The Polsten was significantly simpler and less expensive than its prototype, while remaining equally capable. At the same time, the gun retained the ability to be mounted on the Oerlikon mount.


Polsten towed single-barrel 20mm anti-aircraft gun

The British-made 20mm anti-aircraft gun, chambered for the 20×110mm cartridge weighing 246g, had a rate of fire of 450 rounds per minute. Its maximum range against aerial targets was 2000 m, and its altitude reach was 1500 m. Its effective range against fast-moving aerial targets was just over 1000 m. The muzzle velocity of the armor-piercing shell, weighing 122g, was 845 m/s. The gun was capable of successfully engaging not only aircraft but also lightly armored ground vehicles. The gun had a record-breaking light weight, weighing only 231 kg in its firing position. Ammunition was fed from 30-round magazines.

The Canadian company John Inglis Limited produced the Polsten quadruple units, of which approximately 500 units were manufactured.


The quadruple Polsten gun produced a high density of fire, but due to its considerable weight and size, such mounts were primarily used stationary. A post-war "electrified" quadruple mount, similar to the American M45 Quadmount, is also known.


There are reports that the Israelis operated over a hundred Polstens, but no confirmation has been found, and it's also unclear how and where these guns came from. It's possible these were anti-aircraft guns captured from the British in Palestine, but if so, then the IDF had few captured 20mm anti-aircraft guns.

20mm quadruple anti-aircraft gun 2 cm Flakvierling 38


The Israeli Air Force Museum, located at the active Hatzerim Air Base, houses a quadruple 2 cm Flakvierling 38 anti-aircraft gun, produced in Germany during World War II, as an exhibit.


A 20mm quadruple anti-aircraft gun, the 2 cm Flakvierling 38, is on display at the Israeli Museum.

This mount was developed in 1938 using the 2,0 cm Flak 38 artillery piece, which in turn traced its lineage back to the 2,0 cm FlaK 30. The 2,0 cm Flak 38 anti-aircraft gun, like its predecessor, utilized short-stroke recoil. An increased rate of fire was achieved by reducing the weight of the moving parts and increasing their speed, necessitating the use of special buffers and shock absorbers. Furthermore, the introduction of a space-saving accelerator allowed for the simultaneous unlocking of the breech and the transfer of kinetic energy to it.

Automatic sights generated vertical and lateral leads and allowed the gun to be aimed directly at the target. Input data was entered into the sights manually and determined visually, with the exception of range, which was measured with a stereo rangefinder. The mount had a triangular base with jacks for leveling. In transport mode, the mount was transported on a four-wheeled cart. In combat mode, it weighed over 1500 kg. Feed was from 20-round box magazines. The total rate of fire was up to 1800 rounds per minute. The combat rate of fire was up to 500 rounds per minute.

Firing was carried out with 20×138 mm (Lang Solothurn) rounds. A 115 g fragmentation-tracer round left the FlaK 30 barrel at a velocity of 900 m/s. The ammunition complement also included armor-piercing incendiary-tracer and armor-piercing-tracer rounds. The latter weighed 140 g and, with a muzzle velocity of 830 m/s, penetrated 20 mm of armor at a range of 300 m. Theoretically, it was possible to engage targets at altitudes above 3000 m, and the maximum firing range was up to 4800 m. However, the effective firing zone was approximately half that size. In combat, the system was manned by eight personnel.

Serial production of the Flakvierling 38 continued until March 1945, with a total of 3768 mounts delivered to the troops. Overall, the quadruple 2 cm Flakvierling 38 mount was very effective for its time, but its one significant drawback was its high weight for a 20 mm caliber.

It was not possible to reliably establish the source of the Flakvierling 38 anti-aircraft guns. But it was most likely Czechoslovakia, which supplied Israel with large quantities of various weapons and equipment. Yugoslavia could also have been a possible supplier of the Flakvierling 38.

20-mm Hispano-Suiza HS-804 anti-aircraft guns


Representatives of the numerous "Oerlikon" family in the IDF also included the Flab Kan 43 and Flab Kan Dril 43 anti-aircraft guns with 20-mm Hispano-Suiza HS-804 cannons. The automatic 20-mm HS-804 cannon was designed as aviation, but it was much more widely used in land and naval anti-aircraft mounts. This gun was based on the previous pre-war model, the HS-404, with a combined gas-operated and blowback-operated system. The gas bleed was used only to unlock the bolt, after which the bolt reciprocated under the action of a return spring.

Compared to the HS-404, which used a cam-operated bolt lock, the HS-804 utilized a tilting bolt lock. A more efficient hydraulic buffer was also employed. This reduced the system's weight to 52 kg and increased the rate of fire to 750 rounds per minute. The effective rate of fire was 160 rounds per minute. Firing from an open bolt was with 20×110 mm rounds. Feed was from a 60-round drum magazine. The effective range against aerial targets did not exceed 1200 m.


20mm Flab Kan 43 anti-aircraft gun in combat position

The 80-caliber cannon was mounted on a lightweight mount with three folding supports and a detachable wheeled chassis. The mount could be operated by a single gunner. Elevation angles ranged from -5° to +83°. In combat position, the mount weighed approximately 400 kg. If necessary, it could be disassembled into individual components suitable for transport in packs.


20mm Flab Kan 43 anti-aircraft gun in transport position

Typically, light jeeps were used to tow installations of this type, but in Israel they were sometimes mounted on various vehicles and armored cars.


The first 25 Flab Kan 43 guns arrived by sea from France before independence. The IDF had a total of 77 of these guns.


The Israelis also received six triple Flab Kan Dril 43 mounts or their Yugoslavian counterpart, the Zastava M55. The combined rate of fire of such a mount reached 2250 rounds per minute, but the effective rate of fire with efficient loaders did not exceed 700 rounds per minute. In combat position, a triple Flab Kan Dril 43 weighed about a ton. The elevation angles and effective range were comparable to those of a single-barrel mount.


A 20mm Flab Kan Dril 43 anti-aircraft gun is on display at the Israeli Museum.

Single- and triple-barreled anti-aircraft guns with automatic 20-mm Hispano-Suiza HS-804 cannons served until 1973.


Female crew of the 20mm Flab Kan 43 anti-aircraft gun

According to Israeli sources, during the War of Independence, they shot down four Egyptian Spitfires and two Syrian Texans, and in 1967, a Syrian MiG-17. Flab Kan 43 installations were often manned by female crews.

20-mm anti-aircraft guns TCM-20


After the 1967 war, the Israeli military concluded that the American-made M45 Quadmount 12,7mm anti-aircraft gun, while delivering high firepower, had insufficient range. Consequently, RAMTA (based in Be'er Sheva), a subsidiary of the state-owned Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI) and specializing in the production of armored vehicles, patrol boats, and railcars based on anti-aircraft mounts with high-speed electric drives, developed the TSM-20 mount, which replaced four 12,7mm Browning M2HB machine guns with two 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404 aircraft cannons salvaged from decommissioned fighter aircraft.


20-mm anti-aircraft gun TSM-20

The 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404 cannon chambered for the 20×110mm cartridge weighed approximately 50 kg. It was fed from a 60-round drum. The rate of fire of a single cannon was up to 650 rounds per minute. The effective rate of fire of the twin mount was up to 350 rounds per minute. The carried ammunition complement was 360 rounds. The effective range was 1200 m. Elevation angles ranged from –10° to +90°. The mount weighed 1350 kg in its firing position. The crew consisted of three men. The sighting devices were modified to accommodate the increased firing range.


The TSM-20 anti-aircraft gun entered service with the IDF in 1969, and by October 1973, the 20mm twin-barreled guns had completely replaced the M45 Quadmount ZPU.


According to reference data, the industry supplied at least three hundred 20mm TSM-20 mounts. The first Egyptian MiG-17 was shot down by such a mount during the War of Attrition in February 1970. These twin-barreled anti-aircraft guns were also actively used in the Yom Kippur War, destroying two dozen Arab combat aircraft.

When covering stationary targets, towed TSM-20s were typically deployed in prepared, dug-in or berm-lined positions. When deployed in the field, the mounts and crews were protected from shrapnel with sandbags or rocks.


The TSM-20 mounts were a favorite among the troops; in addition to their intended purpose, they were often used to reinforce checkpoints to repel ground attacks. Significantly surpassing all types of light small arms in effective fire range, the 20mm twin-barreled mounts were a powerful means of engaging enemy personnel within line of sight.

Since the mid-1970s, RAMTA RAM all-wheel-drive armored vehicles have been used to tow TSM-20 anti-aircraft guns. The vehicle, protected by 8mm armor, housed the crew, communications equipment, and additional ammunition.


Mounting the TSM-20 on a self-propelled chassis was entirely logical. Initially, captured Soviet-made wheeled armored personnel carriers were used for this purpose.


Captured BTR-40s with TSM-20 anti-aircraft mounts

During the Six-Day War of 1967, the Israel Defense Forces captured 87 BTR-40s, 54 of which were accepted into service, while the remainder were used for spare parts. Approximately 15 captured BTR-40s were armed with anti-aircraft mounts. The first of these vehicles were delivered to the troops in 1970. However, the compact 4x4 BTR-40, designed to carry eight infantrymen, was too cramped to accommodate the twin 20mm anti-aircraft mount, the crew, and additional ammunition. Therefore, the Israelis decided to use the more spacious 6x6 BTR-152 BTR-40.


A captured BTR-152 with a TSM-20 anti-aircraft mount.

By the start of the Yom Kippur War, the IDF operated 210 Soviet-made BTR-152 armored personnel carriers, some of which were armed with TSM-20 anti-aircraft guns. Currently, one such ZSU, based on the BTR-152, is on display at the Israel Air Force Museum at Hatzerim Air Base.

In 1972, the TSM-20 began to be mounted on American M3 half-track armored personnel carriers, which remained in service until 1992.


The M3 tracked and wheeled armored personnel carrier with a TSM-20 anti-aircraft mount.

After the 20mm TSM-20 anti-aircraft guns were decommissioned by the IDF in the early 1990s, they were purchased by several Central and South American countries: El Salvador, Haiti, Guatemala, Uruguay, Venezuela, and Chile. In Africa, Cameroon and Congo also operate the TSM-20.


The Uruguayan 20mm TSM-20 anti-aircraft gun, mounted in the back of a Russian Ural truck.

In Uruguay, seemingly outdated anti-aircraft guns are used in conjunction with modern Elta EL/M-2106 three-coordinate radars.

20mm M163 VADS self-propelled anti-aircraft guns


The towed and self-propelled 20mm TSM-20 anti-aircraft guns were popular with the Israeli military, but in the early 1970s it became clear that they no longer fully met modern requirements, and for reliable cover tank Armored and motorized infantry units require self-propelled guns equipped with a modern sighting system and rapid-fire artillery, ensuring a high probability of engaging aerial targets. For this reason, in 1974, an agreement was reached with the United States to supply M163 VADS self-propelled anti-aircraft guns. In total, Israel received over 100 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns. In the IDF, these vehicles were designated "Hovet."


Israeli 20mm ZSU Hovet

In the US Army, the M163 VADS served in anti-aircraft battalions along with the M48 Chaparral (MIM-72) self-propelled short-range air defense system, but in the IDF these systems Defense were operated separately.

The M163 VADS SPAAG is based on a modified M113 APC chassis, retaining the mobility and protection of an armored personnel carrier. Its combat weight is 12,7 tons. The rotating, open-topped turret, armed with a 20mm six-barrel M61 Vulcan cannon, has an elevation range of –5° to +80°. The crew consists of four.


20mm six-barreled cannon M61A1 Vulcan

The 20mm M61A1 Vulcan cannon with a rotating barrel block fires 20x102mm rounds. Its 3000-round ammunition complement includes 100g high-explosive fragmentation and armor-piercing tracer rounds with a muzzle velocity of 1030 m/s. The cannon's automatic system is electrically powered. The rate of fire is 1000 and 3000 rounds per minute. Fire is delivered in fixed bursts of 10, 30, 60, or 100 rounds. The effective range against aerial targets is up to 1500 m.

Target acquisition is performed visually by the operator. External target designation can be provided via the radio network. Gun aiming is accomplished using an automated anti-aircraft sight combined with a radar rangefinder, the antenna of which is located to the right of the gun mount.


Information from the rangefinder was fed to the sight's control unit. An analog ballistic computer calculated the lead and fed the necessary information to the sight, after which the gunner opened fire.


Hovet self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, accompanying Israeli tank and motorized infantry units, have been used in all IDF ground operations since the early 1980s. However, they were rarely used for their intended purpose, primarily targeting ground targets. However, ZSU crews claim to have shot down three Syrian aircraft in 1982. The last combat episodes involving these self-propelled guns occurred in 2006.

In the 1990s, some of the least worn Hovet SPAAGs were modernized by Israeli arms giant Israeli Aircraft Industries. During the modernization, combined with a major overhaul, the main changes were made to the turret. The modernized version was designated Machbet.


Optoelectronic cameras with day and night channels, as well as a laser rangefinder, were mounted on the turret above the oscillating gun mount, eliminating the need for a radar rangefinder with a bulky parabolic antenna. The gunner and commander now have access to a new digital fire control system based on the Intel 486DX/33 processor. The onboard equipment includes a satellite navigation system and new communications equipment, allowing for closed-circuit target designation from higher-level air defense command posts or directly from surveillance radars. A launcher for four anti-aircraft guns has been installed in the place where the rangefinder antenna used to be. missiles FIM-92 Stinger, paired with a 20mm six-barrel cannon.


Given that the Stinger SAMs are capable of engaging targets at ranges of up to 4800 meters and an altitude reach of 3500 meters, the Machbet air defense missile and gun system's potential has significantly increased compared to the original ZSU. It has also been announced that it can simultaneously engage multiple targets with guns and missiles, which was previously unavailable. At the same time, due to the need to carry four spare missiles internally, the artillery round complement has been reduced from 2100 to 1800 rounds.

By 1998, the army had already received the first battalion of modernized self-propelled guns. According to reference data, the total number of Machbet air defense missile and gun systems was approximately 20.


However, the Machbet's service life was short-lived—by 2006, all self-propelled guns were removed from active anti-aircraft units and sent to storage. Subsequently, many in Israel questioned the rationale for this decision, and in 2024, due to the increasing unmanned aerial threat, the return of the self-propelled guns to service was considered.

23-mm towed and self-propelled anti-aircraft guns


After the end of hostilities in 1973, among the numerous trophies captured by the IDF were several dozen towed 23mm ZU-23 anti-aircraft guns and several ZSU-23-4 Shilka self-propelled anti-aircraft guns. The Israelis captured at least nine more Syrian ZSU-23-4s in Lebanon in 1982.


ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", captured by the Israelis in 1973

During the Yom Kippur War, self-propelled Shilkas, along with the Kvadrat air defense missile system (an export modification of the Kub air defense missile system), inflicted heavy losses on Israeli aircraft, shooting down, according to American data, 27 and 28 aircraft, respectively.

The self-propelled Shilka was designed to provide air defense for tank and mechanized regiments and was equipped with the RLK-2 radio system, which could detect a fighter at a range of up to 18 km and track it from 12 km away. An analog computer calculates the projectile's impact point with the target based on data received from the RLK-2. The system can fire at aerial targets automatically—the target is tracked by range and angular coordinates, the computer determines the required lead and issues the command to open fire when the target reaches the effective firing range, and ceases fire when the target leaves the engagement zone.

It was claimed that, at a range of 500 meters, using the RLK-2, an F-4 Phantom II fighter flying at 250 m/s at an altitude of 1000 meters could be hit with a probability of 0,4. The 250-horsepower diesel engine can accelerate the 21-ton aircraft to 50 km/h on the road. The cruising range is up to 450 km. The crew is four. Steel armor 9–15 mm thick provides protection from bullets and light fragments.


ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" captured by the Israelis in 1982 in Lebanon.

Initially, the IDF command planned to form a self-propelled anti-aircraft battalion from captured Shilokas, designated "Gun Dish" in Israel. However, lacking technical documentation and spare parts, Israeli specialists were unable to maintain the RPK-2's vacuum-tube-based radio system. Subsequently, some of the vehicles were equipped with radar simulators that transmitted on the same frequency as the RPK-2. These converted Shilokas, also equipped with air conditioning, were used during Israeli Air Force exercises to identify enemy air defenses.


An Israeli ZSU-23-4 Shilka air defense self-propelled gun simulator equipped with air conditioning.

While the Israelis didn't have much success with the Shilkas, the captured towed ZU-23s were widely used in reserve anti-aircraft units.


Israeli reservists train with a captured ZU-23.

Unlike the 20mm towed anti-aircraft mounts used by the IDF, the ZU-23 was belt-fed, giving it a total rate of fire of up to 1800 rounds per minute and a practical rate of fire of 400 rounds per minute. It was fed from 50-round belt boxes. A 23mm projectile weighing 200 grams, leaving the barrel at a muzzle velocity of 970 m/s, is capable of penetrating 15 mm of high-hardness armor at a 60° angle at a distance of 700 meters. The firing range against aerial targets is up to 2500 meters. The altitude reach is 1500 meters. The mount weighs 950 kg. The crew is 5.


Towed anti-aircraft guns captured by the IDF in Lebanon in 1982

According to available information, the Israel Defense Forces possessed several dozen serviceable ZU-23 anti-aircraft guns and a large supply of ammunition in the mid-1980s. These anti-aircraft guns were likely kept in reserve until the early 1990s.

In addition to the direct use of towed ZU-23s, the Israelis experimented with 23mm machine guns removed from captured anti-aircraft guns.


Half-track armored personnel carrier M3 with a 23-mm anti-aircraft mount

For example, there is evidence that in the 1980s, a hybrid self-propelled gun was developed based on the M3 armored personnel carrier (APC), using elements of the TSM-20 and 23mm Soviet 2A14 cannons. The rationale for creating such a self-propelled gun was explained by the fact that the use of electric drives from the American M45 Quadmount anti-aircraft gun allowed for a significant increase in aiming speed and reduced the physical workload on the crews. The 23mm projectile has significantly higher kinetic energy, effective range, and destructive power. Furthermore, 23mm automatic guns have a higher rate of fire than the 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404 cannons. However, it appears that this was limited to a prototype, and the system was never accepted into service.

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  1. +1
    16 July 2026 04: 25
    until its decommissioning in the 21st century

    Perfect for fighting drones! It's time to bring them back into service...
    1. +5
      16 July 2026 11: 49
      That's it - light aircraft with a turret!
      Even better in an unmanned version.
      But the MZA is a defensive weapon; you can't really fly an aircraft-type UAV. So, it's best to install it on the protected object: on the roofs of workshops, factory chimneys, etc.
      P.S. I'm afraid to even imagine how many small-scale anti-aircraft guns would be needed to shut down a plant the size of Uralmash...
      Thanks to Sergey (Author) for the article!!!!
      1. +1
        17 July 2026 03: 19
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        This means installing it on the protected object: roofs of workshops, factory chimneys, etc.

        They should not be installed on the roofs of workshops or pipes, but at a distance of 2-3 kilometers...
        1. +1
          17 July 2026 03: 44
          Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
          They should not be installed on the roofs of workshops or pipes, but at a distance of 2-3 kilometers...

          The experience of the Great Patriotic War shouldn't be directly applied to modern realities. Air attack weapons, as well as countermeasures, have changed dramatically. I'm sure I'm not revealing a big secret if I say, for example, that the cannon armament of the Pantsir air defense missile and gun system is practically never used to repel drone attacks.
          1. 0
            17 July 2026 04: 11
            Quote: Bongo
            The experience of WWII should not be directly projected onto modern realities. Air attack capabilities, as well as countermeasures, have changed dramatically.

            And how are aircraft-type drones, say the E-300, Lyuty, Martianin-2, Bayraktar, Bober, and the like, fundamentally different from piston-engine aircraft from the WWII era?
            The Ukrainians have started using acoustic posts to detect drones. Our guys are just laughing their heads off for now, as usual... Then we'll catch up and copy them, just like with the unmanned aerial vehicle troops...
            Quote: Bongo
            When repelling UAV attacks, the cannon armament of the Pantsir air defense missile and gun system is practically not used.

            For what reason?
            1. +4
              17 July 2026 04: 54
              Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
              For what reason?

              Due to low effectiveness. It's important to understand that the use of small arms and cannons offers a much lower probability of destruction than precision-guided missiles. In fact, all these mobile task forces with machine guns are a purely necessary solution, not providing reliable cover for targets. The bottlenecks are timely detection, short firing range, and the ability and effectiveness of fire at night.
              Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
              And how are aircraft-type drones, say the E-300, Lyuty, Martianin-2, Bayraktar, Bober, and the like, fundamentally different from piston-engine aircraft from the WWII era?

              I didn't know that during WWII, the Germans simultaneously used hundreds of disposable aircraft, including at night. Such parallels are inappropriate and paint a distorted picture.
              1. 0
                17 July 2026 06: 11
                Quote: Bongo
                I didn't know that during WWII the Germans used hundreds of disposable aircraft at the same time.

                Let's leave aside disposability/reusability, it's not the point...
                About mass production:
                Last night, between 21:00 PM Moscow time on July 15 and 08:00 AM Moscow time on July 16, air defense alert systems destroyed 375 Ukrainian fixed-wing UAVs, the Ministry of Defense reports.
                375 over ALL regions! Do you think there were fewer Luftwaffe aircraft operating on the Eastern Front per day?
                Quote: Bongo
                including at night.

                Are you serious? The Germans didn't fly at night?
                Quote: Bongo
                It is important to understand that the use of small arms and cannon weapons provides a much lower probability of destruction than high-precision missiles.

                What's the price tag? I'm talking about the rocket/drone cost ratio.
                Quote: Bongo
                Such parallels are inappropriate and create a distorted picture.

                Why are they inappropriate? They didn't convince me...
                The dimensions are comparable, the speeds too...
                Or maybe you have statistics on how many drones were shot down by missiles and how many by gunfire? I don't have any...
                1. +2
                  17 July 2026 06: 24
                  Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                  Let's leave aside disposability/reusability, it's not the point...

                  Why? This determines the tactics of application, which is no small matter!
                  Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                  375 over ALL regions!

                  Just look how many they shot down!
                  Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                  Do you think there were fewer Luftwaffe aircraft operating on the Eastern Front per day?

                  How far from the LBS? And did German bombers even fly as far as Omsk? You never cease to amaze me! wink
                  Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                  Didn't the Germans fly at night?

                  Are you saying that you flew at night to a depth of more than 2000 km, so en masse that you had the ability to carry out pinpoint strikes?
                  Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                  What's the price tag? I'm talking about the rocket/drone cost ratio.

                  Perhaps we could discuss the cost of damage caused by a drone during an attack on an oil refinery and the cost of a short-range anti-aircraft missile? The primary objective of any air defense system is not to destroy airborne targets, but to prevent attacks on protected facilities.
                  Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                  Why are they inappropriate? They didn't convince me...

                  Who am I to argue with you? Surely you know more about this matter than I do! request
                  Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                  Or maybe you have statistics on how many drones were shot down by missiles and how many by small arms?

                  This information is classified and may be revealed someday. But for now, the Pantsir missile system with SAMs is demonstrating superior performance.
                  But please answer the question: do you have practical experience firing from a ZPU at an air target, and have you even tried to shoot down a slowly drifting flare under a parachute from a DShKM at a firing range?
                  1. -1
                    17 July 2026 06: 32
                    Quote: Bongo
                    But please answer the question: do you have practical experience firing from a ZPU at an air target and have you even tried to shoot down a slowly drifting flare with a DShKM parachute at a firing range?

                    Now you're probably going to share your own experience? Go ahead...
                    P.S. How interesting... so you don't criticize the Israeli ZA's return to service... But here you're practically rearing up... wink
                    1. +5
                      17 July 2026 06: 48
                      Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                      Now you will probably share your own experience?

                      Why? My experience is my experience! Let everyone use their own. But I will say that even to shoot down a stationary parachute target, you needed to aim well.
                      Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                      How interesting... so you don't criticize the Israeli ZA's return to service...

                      You may not have noticed, but in my publications I try to be as impartial and objective as possible and not show emotion.
                      Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                      And here you just stand on end...

                      Really? Perhaps you should reread this article more carefully, which you're commenting on so categorically? And I'd be very happy if you could share with me a type of domestically produced sighting system, suitable for use on our anti-aircraft machine guns and artillery mounts, that could compare to the one installed on Israeli Machbet anti-aircraft missile and gun systems?
                  2. +2
                    17 July 2026 07: 06
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Who am I to argue with you?

                    Really? Who are you to argue with someone who knows? lol
  2. +6
    16 July 2026 04: 43
    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
    Perfect for fighting drones!
    They must first be discovered. wink
    1. 0
      17 July 2026 06: 15
      Quote: Xenon
      They must first be discovered.

      https://topwar.ru/285793-est-chem-nauchitsja-u-vraga-akusticheskaja-oborona-ukrainy.html?ysclid=mrod6uesim882806904
      1. +2
        17 July 2026 07: 09
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        https://topwar.ru/285793-est-chem-nauchitsja-u-vraga-akusticheskaja-oborona-ukrainy.html?ysclid=mrod6uesim882806904

        This sounds more like PR and disinformation. Furthermore, acoustic systems can, at best, detect drones at a relatively short range, far from industrial areas and highways, and they are completely useless for targeting.
  3. +4
    16 July 2026 16: 17
    As always, Sergey has a very interesting article. drinks It worked! Thank you.
    "Uruguayan 20mm TSM-20 anti-aircraft gun mounted in the back of a Russian Ural truck" – I didn't know Uruguay was buying Urals...
  4. +3
    16 July 2026 16: 39
    hi
    As always a great article!
  5. +6
    16 July 2026 16: 49
    The Machbet SAM-75's service life was short-lived—by 2006, all self-propelled guns were withdrawn from active anti-aircraft units and sent to storage. Subsequently, many in Israel questioned the rationale for this decision, and in 2024, due to the increasing unmanned aerial threat, the return of the SAM-75 to active service was considered.
    It seems that everything that could shoot was put back into service: "The decision has already been made, the Vulcans are returning. On October 27, 2024, Maariv reported that "in recent days, the first Vulcan from the Israeli company Tamar has been deployed on the northern border." This refers to a ZSU after repairs by Tamar and with the addition of some new fire control systems. See David (david_2) on LiveJournal.
    It has already been decided that the ZA, as in the past, will be part of the Air Force Air Defense Forces, with close cooperation with territorial divisions and brigades.
    Work is already underway to create a ZA division, and its commander (with the rank of lieutenant colonel) has been selected.
    On April 15, 2025, the Makor Rishon website published additional information on this issue:
    3 ZSUs are already combat-ready (the photo in the article is dated 04/07/25);
    By August 2025, another 5 ZSUs will be put into service, i.e. 8 in total;
    The ZSUs were recovered from IDF warehouses and even from the Air Force Museum in Hatzerim."

    https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/1502776.html
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      17 July 2026 02: 26
      Andrei, hello!
      Quote: Wildcat
      It seems that everything that could shoot was put back into service...

      Quote: Wildcat
      3 ZSUs are already combat-ready...

      I'm trying to confirm the information in several sources, but I couldn't find any evidence that the M163 ZSU was actually returned to service. Therefore, this information was not included in the publication.
      1. +1
        17 July 2026 16: 46
        hi
        Hello!
        I also couldn’t find any photos or videos of the M163 being used in combat, only a few articles, from LiveJournal to Forbes.
        request
  6. +4
    16 July 2026 18: 40
    Very interesting article.
    Thank you
    In the mid-1980s, the Israel Defense Forces had several dozen serviceable ZU-23s and a large supply of ammunition for them.

    Was it the Egyptians and Syrians who did this?
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      17 July 2026 02: 27
      Quote: guga
      Was it the Egyptians and Syrians who did this?

      It was the IDF soldiers who tried, but the Arabs helped a lot.
  7. +4
    16 July 2026 22: 07
    First towed, and then self-propelled 20-mm anti-aircraft guns were actively used in all Arab-Israeli wars.
    We used everything we had at hand (photo link): Hispano-Suiza, Scotty, Breda: "Turreted armored cars were a step up from the usual homemade armored vehicles—a high-quality all-wheel drive chassis, a turret with an MG34 (plus another in the hull), and, importantly, a decent production rate. Unfortunately, World War II had just ended, leaving a ton of different armored vehicles in the Arab armies, and the MG34, alas, didn't take these armored vehicles. If you came across something with a machine gun, it was still okay; you could greet each other with a couple of bursts and then go your separate ways. But what if you ran into a cannon-equipped Humber/Daimler/Marmon-Herrington? Your chances of survival, to put it mildly, weren't very good. And even against fairly modest fortifications, the machine gun wasn't particularly effective...
    Shortly after the Arab armies invaded, various IDF units began installing 20mm automatic anti-aircraft guns on American half-track armored personnel carriers (aka Zakhlams). A few more recent examples:
    - One such vehicle was prepared for the 79th Battalion of the 7th Brigade before the start of Operation Dekel, directed against the Arab Liberation Army (Amiad Brezner - Nitzanei HaShiryon, 166-9). On July 16, on the approaches to Nazareth, a column of the 79th Battalion encountered nine ALA armored vehicles, including cannon-mounted ones; Zakhlam with an anti-aircraft gun knocked out six of them, and the rest retreated.
    - In early October, a half-track armored personnel carrier with a 20-mm anti-aircraft gun mounted on a unique tripod and secured with sandbags was used by a mechanized unit of the Yiftach Brigade in the battle for Khirbet Mah'az in the Negev (NS, 194-5). On October 7, this armored personnel carrier destroyed an armored car (Humber?) and an armored carrier.
    - During Operation Hiram against the AOA in late October, one half-track APC was still present in the 79th Battalion (NS, 209). Another was used by the Golani Brigade and was blown up by a mine (NS, 213).
    In the autumn (?) of 1948, the Armored Section of the IDF Transport Service developed an open-topped turret for a 20mm cannon, which was installed in the troop compartment of the half-track APC (NSh, 234). There is no data on the number of converted vehicles, but it is known that by the end of the war the IDF had 7 of them, including 1 serviceable one (Amiad Brezner - Susim Abirim, 11). In all the photographs I have come across, the base is not the White M2/M3, but the M5/M9 produced by International Harvester; but I cannot claim that only the latter were converted. The cannons installed were different - Cannone-Mitragliera da 20/77 (Scotti), Cannone-Mitragliera da 20/65 modello 35 (Breda), HS-804."

    https://bukvoed.livejournal.com/164549.html
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    16 July 2026 22: 11
    But if from the late 1940s to the mid-1980s small-caliber automatic cannons were primarily intended to engage low-altitude air targets, then subsequently, until their decommissioning in the 21st century, 20-mm ZSUs primarily provided fire support to IDF ground units.
    There were some interesting options on HalfTrucks: "After the War of Independence, the turreted halftracks with 20mm cannons were, of course, decommissioned. However, history repeated itself - in the 60s, it was decided to issue each motorized infantry platoon a halftrack with a 20mm cannon, although this time mounted openly on a pedestal. The reconnaissance company was supposed to have three of these same vehicles. According to Brezner (Esh Lifanav Telekh, 164, 206), the installation of the cannons began shortly before the ShDV; during the ShDV, these vehicles served in the 643rd Reconnaissance Company of the 7th Brigade, the 9th Battalion of the same brigade, and "several motorized infantry and reconnaissance units in reserve motorized brigades." According to waronline, after the Six-Day War, the process of installing the cannons was curtailed. However, modified halftracks are still being observed in 73.
    The cannon can be seen in the Batei HaOsef, where it is labeled as "Israeli 20mm, 1964 production." It bears a resemblance to the Hispano-Suiza (probably an HS-404) from the "Taas Square" exhibit, though the barrel is longer. The same museum also has a halftrack with a 20mm cannon, but it's a different cannon (similar to an HS-804) and mounted differently.

    https://bukvoed.livejournal.com/218722.html
  9. +3
    16 July 2026 22: 34
    "...an Italian automatic cannon Cannone-Mitragliera da 20/77 Scotti, also known as the Isotta Fraschini. In the IDF, it was called the "20-mm Italian IF" or "Aleph-Pei." According to the caption, this particular cannon was an Egyptian trophy. One way or another, 28 "Aleph-Pei" are listed among the weapons honestly purchased by Israel - one was bought "from Italian partisans in the mountains in the Morano area" no later than April 1, 1948; 27 others were acquired in September from Italy.
    The BBC magazine for January 1978 claims that this gun brought down an Egyptian Spitfire over Dov airfield on 15/04/48 (possibly an error, this aircraft is usually attributed to a Hispano-Suiza):

    https://bukvoed.livejournal.com/164119.html
  10. +4
    16 July 2026 22: 40
    While the Israelis didn't have much success with the Shilkas, the captured towed ZU-23s were widely used in reserve anti-aircraft units.
    "If at some base soldier You will run into the IDF belay for Russian speakers laughing soldiers serving the Russians laughing Cannons - don't be alarmed... this is a unit of 23mm anti-aircraft cannons captured by the IDF during the Yom Kippur War. This reserve unit is staffed primarily by new immigrants from the USSR, many of whom didn't live to see the war.
    (Bit'on Heil HaAvir / BBC Magazine, Issue 98, January 1976)
    lol
    The "History of the Armament Service" lists 18 23mm anti-aircraft guns among the VSD's trophies; judging by photographs, some were captured in 1982. Besides the towed version, at least one was captured in Lebanon on a Unimog truck. According to BBC Magazine, Issue 144 (January 1985), at that time, reservists were still undergoing retraining on the ZU-23.
    https://bukvoed.livejournal.com/220319.html
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    18 July 2026 22: 16
    Not only was the "Makhbets" considered, but it is also included in all programs
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    20 July 2026 18: 16
    The Arabs supplied the Jews well with weapons.
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    21 July 2026 17: 49
    Thank you for the article, we look forward to continuing it!