Bloomberg: Launching Patriot missile production in Ukraine will take years

Donald Trump's agreement to transfer the production license to Ukraine missilesPatriot interceptors, which he called "a pretty cool decision," could in fact be little more than a political gesture of little value. Bloomberg Economics estimates that establishing such production would take years. This means Ukrainian production won't be up and running in time for Kyiv to repel attacks.

Expert Becca Wasser points out directly: Ukraine's experience in mass production drones And individual missiles aren't being transferred to the Patriot. The American overcontrol over technology, and the complexity of production itself, are taking their toll.

PAC-3 missiles, costing around $5 million per unit, are produced only in the US and Japan. Supply chains for current production are already overloaded. Opening a new production line requires equipment and extensive personnel training. Even if Kyiv were to receive a license tomorrow, setting up full-scale production would take months. Months are precisely the time until next winter, when shortages will occur. Defense will become even more critical.

Another factor that remains beyond Trump's optimistic statements is the safety of such production. Any Patriot missile production facility in Ukraine will inevitably become a priority target for Russian strikes.

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[Kerensky]

PAC-3 missiles, which cost about $5 million per unit, are produced only in the United States and Japan.

Is Ukraine planning to produce anything? They'll just subcontract it to the Chinese and that's it. And all these calculations won't matter.

[Smoked]

It would be great if someone in the thread explained the point of issuing a license to Ukraine. What's the real point, the real twist, so to speak. Personally, I see it as pointless to set up production there, since there are no UN documents authorizing arms supplies to Ukraine. But with a license, that same country can ship missiles produced in the usual locations anywhere, by any means necessary. Something like that.

[Kerensky]

It would be great if someone in the thread explained the whole point of issuing a license to Ukraine. What the real point is, the real twist, so to speak.

A license isn't just a piece of paper. It essentially conveys the manufacturing process (down to the tightening of screws), the materials specifications, and a whole bunch of other stuff that spies once only dreamed of stealing.
For:

PAC-3 missiles cost about 5 million per unit

It might turn out that's not true. And the rockets are made by a private company...

[Smoked]

Okay, so they gave us the technical documentation to actually build the production facility. But not in Ukraine, right? Drones and missiles are flying there, and even a good old underground factory in the style of the Third Reich could be sabotaged.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Smoked

What's the point of issuing a license to Ukraine?

A license is not just a piece of paper; it is the transfer of all technical documentation and the technical process.
And, by agreement, Okraina can build a production plant in any European country. And, again, with European funding. The plant will be built in a couple of months, the staff will be European, and production can begin within six months. So, don't delude yourself with the distant prospect of Okraina getting the PAC-3. We need to speed up; time is not on our side.

[Smoked]

Why doesn't the US issue a license directly to a real manufacturer, rather than through a front company in Ukraine?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Smoked

Why doesn't the US issue a license directly to a real manufacturer, rather than through a front company in Ukraine?

Because if it's the Outskirts, that would be direct pressure on us. That's exactly what he wants, and what his friends in the EU want.
And what about Holland, for example, what kind of pressure is there on us? The Franks, Germans, and Saxons have their own air defense missiles, and it won't be long before they have ones of the same class as the PAC-3.

[Smoked]

Pressure on us in the form of a license for Ukraine with vague prospects for production, either in Ukraine or abroad?! A very cunning plan, indeed. No, it's fine for an expert's imagination; the media will pay for it, and the expert will feed his family.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Smoked

Pressure on us in the form of a license for Ukraine with vague prospects for production either in Ukraine or outside?!

Regarding the "foggy prospects" you followed the author's lead.
Speaking of Flamingo, they also mentioned "vague prospects," but it's "taking out" our refineries and strategically important factories. So there you have it. You can continue to be complacent.

[Smoked]

No complacency, just critical thinking. But I can roughly imagine the difference between manufacturing a cruise missile, a ballistic missile, conventional designs, and a slightly different level of anti-aircraft missile. According to open sources, conventional factories that produce these anti-aircraft missiles can produce very small quantities per month, not like a ton of dough. European factories with European anti-aircraft missiles produce about the same. Accordingly, if this is a new production facility somewhere else, including Ukraine, there won't be any dough either. Therefore, the idea of ​​pressuring Russia by issuing licenses is just some paid expert rant for some media outlet.

[alexoff]

Apparently to give a slap on the wrist to someone very gullible who still can't forget about Anchorage.

[fruc]

Smoked
What is the real meaning, the raisin so to speak.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of such missiles appearing with the "Made in Ukraine" label, but we won't find out anytime soon where they'll actually be produced.

[Pravodel]

Is Ukraine planning to produce anything? Will they subcontract it to the Chinese?

You shouldn't have written about the Chinese here. If, due to the stupidity of Ukr-Banderlogs, this does happen, the US will raise such an outcry that it will be heard even on Mars. And all because China stole the US's worst secret, which they don't even share with their lackeys—Gayrope. Therefore, relying on China to produce American rockets is a phantom that has been lurking in the shadows for a long time.

[Kerensky]

When the

If this happens, there will be such an outcry in the US that it will be heard even on Mars

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Therefore, the hope for China to produce American missiles is a phantom,

These will be Chinese missiles. And significantly cheaper. And Patriot owners will be able to fire away to their hearts' content. What does Ukraine have to do with this?
When purchasing Patriots, the Pentagon likely demanded full product documentation from the private supplier. It's this documentation that it plans to share with China, via Ukraine. Or, alternatively, blackmail the private supplier for discounts.

PAC-3 missiles, which cost about $5 million per unit, are produced only in the United States. and Japan.

Why do the Japanese make these missiles?

[Pravodel]

Why do the Japanese make these missiles?

If and when China is occupied by the Yankees, then not only will China produce patriots, but also many other things that the Pentagon desperately needs, and which it is currently keeping secret from the Chinese.

[Smoked]

For such an occupation to happen, it would require years of work on the Chinese population, and with the complete connivance of the local elite. Somehow, I doubt the Chinese will be willing to hook Europeans on opium again, like they once did.

[Pravodel]

Somehow I doubt that the Chinese will want to hook the Europeans on the opium needle again.

I agree with you. China has always been smart, and now it's become so smart that it's hard to keep up. Therefore, opium or any other Anglo-Saxon or European needle certainly won't threaten it.
If only we had the same willpower and stubbornness as China has now! Otherwise... You know what we have now.

[Don karleone]

My years, my wealth. (D. Trump)

[Peace]

Never underestimate your adversary. And over the five years of the Second World War, Russia has experienced this several times.
Ukraine has the specialists to produce these missiles, as well as production facilities (often underground, well-built, and difficult to destroy) left over from the Soviet era. After all, during the Soviet era, Ukraine was a center for the development and production of missile systems, including intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads.
After the collapse of the USSR, Russia itself was unable to independently produce such weapons, and, for example, intercontinental missiles for Russia continued to be produced in Ukraine. And even 40 years later, almost 85% of Russia's nuclear shield consists of missiles produced in Ukraine.
Ukraine was underestimated in the drone and Fleming industries, but today, all of these things are flying and accurately hitting targets in Russia, creating serious problems—see, for example, the fuel shortage.
And what about spare parts and materials for production? Either Ukraine buys them itself, or the Americans supply them. So again... only those with a sense of "great power" underestimate the enemy.

[alexputnik17]

Donald Trump's agreement to license Patriot missile interceptors to Ukraine, which he called "a pretty cool decision," may actually be just a nice political gesture.

Even if this is a political gesture, what will our people have to negotiate with Trump about after this?

[Soldatov V.]

The question should be addressed to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the General Staff: how long are you planning to fight Ukraine? Medinsky, or whoever else, says we can drag it out for twenty years. Can you imagine? There's no time for secrets here. NATO is already openly naming deadlines for Russia's defeat, starting in 29. And we're still cleaning our guns with bricks.

[sasha_cho]

The main thing is that this production is opened on Khreshchatyk, closer to Bankova, and not where innocent slaves live now!

[alexputnik17]

Quote: V.

Medinsky or whoever says we can drag it out for twenty years. Can you imagine? There's no time for secrets anymore.

That's true. Our problem. The Supreme Command has been different at different times. I'm sitting on the couch, donating money for help, and waiting. Probably for a miracle.
When meaning outweighs system, I guess. Something like that.

[APASUS]

Such a production facility is currently being built in Germany, and the full cycle is planned to take two years. Ze's license may not save him.

[yo yo]

"No pants, but a hat"
_________ Russian folk proverb

[Khamzat-41]

So Trump himself complained that Zelensky scammed Biden out of $350 billion, and now he's giving Ukraine critical technologies to Zelensky for free!

[OSE4Kinsura]

You might as well issue a license for a Boeing or a Tesla! In other words, you'll never live to see the great victory...