The enemy attacked fuel and energy complex facilities in the Tver region and Stavropol.

The enemy continues to methodically target our country's fuel and energy facilities. Following the airstrikes on refineries in Omsk and Saratov several days ago, the Ukrainian Armed Forces struck a fuel and energy facility in Tver.

Tver Region Governor Vitaly Korolev reported on his channel about a fire (or, as the governor calls it, a blaze) at the Tver oil depot. Korolev reports that one of the storage tanks is on fire.

From his post:

I'm working on-site. A command center has been deployed. We're coordinating emergency response efforts and ensuring the continued safety of the facility. The fire has been contained by our Ministry of Emergency Situations firefighters. According to preliminary information, there are no casualties among civilians or facility personnel.

The enemy also launched strikes in the Stavropol Krai. Regional Governor Vladimir Vladimirov reported a "fire" at an industrial facility in the Shpakovsky District, near the village of Vyazniki. This northern suburb of Stavropol houses a large oil depot.

It's clear that the enemy is aiming to create additional problems with the supply of motor fuel to Russia's regions. In Stavropol Krai, for example, this could threaten not only the resort season but also the harvesting campaign.

The motor fuel situation remains extremely challenging, especially in Crimea, Sevastopol, and the Voronezh and Irkutsk regions. Even on federal highways, gasoline and diesel fuel are becoming increasingly difficult to obtain. In some cities, literally kilometer-long queues form at gas stations, with people even taking up space when the stations are out of fuel—waiting for a fuel truck to arrive and unload. Resellers are taking advantage of this, driving up fuel prices to exorbitant levels. For example, in Crimea, gasoline is being offered at some stations for up to 300 rubles per liter. Unfortunately, so far, no government commissions or task forces have been able to resolve the problem, which is creating further panic and social tension, something the enemy, in the broadest sense of the word, is clearly trying to exploit.

Comments

[esoteric]

I'm no expert on these matters, but couldn't these barrels be covered with a stainless steel mesh structure? That's the simplest question.

A slightly more complex question: couldn't these barrels be enclosed in a concrete cap? The Germans were very successful in protecting their military factories and airbases from Allied air raids. Otherwise, the war would have ended in 45, not 42. (One thing you can't deny about the Germans is their professionalism in everything.)

Or, to put it a bit more complicated, is it really impossible to bury these barrels underground? From an engineering perspective, this is a task for undergraduates.

[Volodin]

Quote: esoterica

Is it really impossible to cover these barrels with a stainless steel mesh structure?
Or, to put it a bit more complicated, is it really impossible to bury these barrels underground? From an engineering perspective, this is a task for undergraduates.

No, no, and no again. It's easier to create a "task force."

[rocket757]

There aren't any barrels outside at gas stations anyway... but a large oil refinery... simply put, you can't cover it with a "net" for cheap...

[Volodin]

Quote: rocket757

for cheap, you can't cover it with a "net"...

At least no more expensive than rebuilding burned-out installations from scratch

[rocket757]

Alas... maybe it's luck, maybe it's greed, maybe... who knows what's going on there and how!?
They'll pay twice, three times... we'll all have to pay, as always!

[Dedok]

They will pay twice, thrice...

will not pay, but will use the budget

[rocket757]

How... picky you are!
It's like... we write two, three in our minds!
I specifically noted who will pay for all this!

[Dedok]

I specifically noted who will pay for all this!

I agree, but I wrote it so that it would reach the very... outskirts

[rocket757]

Here, it reaches the outskirts much faster, one way or another! More precisely, it falls on our heads!
But in the centers... everything is as usual... they fenced themselves off, protected themselves, ignored everything and lived for themselves, for themselves...
Basically, everything is as usual...

[Dedok]

The last phrase should have been put in quotation marks

[rocket757]

As always... there was a period in our history when things were NOT LIKE ALWAYS...
How should this be perceived, remembered... as an exception to the general rule?

[alexboguslavski]

Something like that... True, these are the Emirates. Our wallets are still far from theirs.

[rocket757]

You can cover individual containers, even large ones... it won't protect you from serious ammunition or missiles, but it can stop drones!
If you look at the oil refinery, everything becomes... more complicated!
Only air defense, full-fledged, effective, as part of a comprehensive, integrated SYSTEM...
They promised/planned something like this for the fall...
In general, it should have been done yesterday, but... tomorrow, the day after tomorrow... that is, if it goes as it should, at all!?

[lwxx]

Yes, you're right. Small drones attacked Stavropol (which means they were launched somewhere nearby). Three or four were shot down, one definitely hit the storage facility, and another, it's unclear whether it crashed or broke through. And the networks would have helped. It's ridiculous here – Stilsoft is on the networks, but the warehouses aren't...

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: lwxx

Yes, you're right, small drones attacked Stavropol (therefore they were launched somewhere nearby), 3-4 were shot down, one definitely hit the storage facility, another one is unclear, whether the one shot down fell, or broke through.

Everything you said is not true. I don’t know where you read the information, but I personally saw them flying by in the morning. They were very large, but I didn’t hear the air defense.

[lwxx]

My partner lives in Mikhailovsk. He says he saw everything too. A meter-high cloud of white smoke fell on Kolomeytsev. I live in the "metro" area.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: lwxx

My partner lives in Mikhailovsk. He says he saw everything too. A meter-high cloud of white smoke fell on Kolomeytsev. I live in the "metro" area.

I don't know about Kolomiytsev, I didn't see him. They flew over Vyazniki, about 100 meters from my house at most, at an altitude of 15 meters... It looks like something - a monowing or something triangular, I looked at the info that exists - it looks a lot like the Morok, it has a range of up to 800 km (I think they even launched it as far as Moscow).. So it clearly didn't come from the suburbs... I didn't take a photo with my phone.

[lwxx]

Yes, you're right. There were big ones, 11 shot down. There were four waves. People came to work. I won't post it, I didn't ask for it, but the video shows the air defenses in action.

[rocket757]

A miser pays twice... but all sorts of sly people, like Vanchiks, try to do everything at the expense of others, to get money from everyone and always...
Unfortunately, that's how it is...

[bk316]

This is not an oil refinery, it is an oil storage facility.
We cover them with netting like this. It won't help against a large UAV.

[Arkady007]

rocket757
Yesterday, the top brass already made a decision to allow the purchase and installation of small refineries to provide the country with gasoline.
Why couldn’t this decision have been made earlier, considering the resolution of this issue in Ukraine?
Why not adopt their solution to the issue of electricity supply in emergency situations?

[Kerensky]

a decision to permit the purchase and installation of small refineries to provide the country with gasoline.

"Samovars" in Chechnya again...

[rocket757]

Too many whys... whyChka, right!
Let's start with the fact that SVO... in itself, is such a WHY, that all the other whys... are just consequences!

[Arkady007]

Yes, it seems like Peskov said two days ago that we are not in a war with NATO, but in a war with NATO.

[rocket757]

Alas, ah... there's nothing more to say...
That is, you can’t say it in words, and fleeting phrases, folklore, etc., are not welcome here...

[Kerensky]

for cheap, you can't cover it with a "net"...

Hey! First, the project. Then, on one sheet, you can select suppliers, and on another, contractors. The sheets are attached to the order.

[rocket757]

Well, we don't live by the law, we don't live in wartime... Many people don't understand that peacetime is not for us, not now...
There are also quite a few who strive to have, to snatch, and so on, so forth...
Alas, this is our reality!

[Leonidych]

Well, you could use rheostats and airships like they did during WWII. Around the perimeter at different altitudes. Cheap and cheerful.

[rocket757]

A rheostat... it's an electric device, a BARRING BALLOON... cheap and cheerful, but not as effective against small targets... WWII-era planes were huge things, and even then, they were forced to fly high, which reduced the effectiveness of bombing, and nothing more...
Of course, there were proposals to lift aerostats/hot air balloons and attach NETS to them... cheap and cheerful, as for the effectiveness... this needs to be tested, tested...

[shm_kv]

Why cover the entire refinery? Only the critical units, which occupy less than 1% of the area, are sufficient. And it's precisely these that the enemy targets.

[rocket757]

Question/task for specialists....
I wouldn’t say that I wasn’t even close, but I didn’t go into detail; it wasn’t my area of ​​responsibility...

[ZloyCat]

"It's easier to create an 'operational headquarters'."
but how does it sound? - From his post:
I'm working on-site. The headquarters is deployed. We're coordinating the response to the incident and ensuring the continued safety of the facility."
He's a real hero. I can just picture him in a canvas robe, fire extinguisher at the ready, standing chest-deep somewhere over there at the head of a horde of his slackers with crowbars and hooks. I could have simply written: I'm sitting at the oil depot, pretending to put out a fire, but in reality, I'm interfering with the specialists' work with my orders. But they won't give me a medal for that, and my grandfather won't praise me. And here... well, he's a hero, a skilled and valuable leader, a model, you could say. Is this the third time this oil depot is burning? Soon the hohols will leave it alone, it will burn out completely, and the governor won't save it.

[sasha_cho]

Yes, but why? Maybe our government is punishing our oligarchs this way. Who knows what kind of fuss is going on there? I don't believe a drone flew 2000 km and hit the Omsk Oil Refinery. And who does it belong to? According to the internet, it doesn't belong to the government.

[rocket757]

Question... are all well with the refineries that belong to the ONE WHO NEEDS THEM? Are they protected from any troubles/surprises?

[Kotofeich]

Quote: sasha_cho

Maybe our government is punishing our oligarchs this way?

Or maybe it's the other way around? Against whom is the people's anger growing, whom are they scolding?

[sasha_cho]

Or maybe the world just wants to get everyone on bicycles to save the planet and prevent the destruction of the 4th or 5th civilization (a question for flat-earthers)?

[sasha_cho]

Well, I don't believe that people can see a flying drone, but air defense systems can't see it), 2000 km, what are you talking about, here in the Moscow region, armored vehicles on 50-meter towers are more common than white mushrooms are from each other

[ALARI]

To do this, we need to accept this statement as law: "What the bearer of this has done was done by my order and for the good of the state." Everything else is an imitation of vigorous activity.

[alexboguslavski]

Quote: esoterica

I'm no expert on these matters, but couldn't these barrels be covered with a stainless steel mesh structure? That's the simplest question.

Why stainless steel in the first place? Titanium with aramid fibers would be even more expensive.

[ZloyCat]

"Why stainless steel right away? Titanium with aramid fibers would be even more expensive."
In two layers, definitely. Payment from the budget, and assign this task to Rotenberg, across the entire country, and then reward him according to his merits.

[alexoff]

Timur Ivanov, let him go for a start and let him do his thing, for a trillion rubles. True, the defense will also become completely transparent, like the airplane hangars he built, for which funds have been allocated since 2019...

[topol717]

Quote: esoterica

I'm no expert in these matters, but is it really impossible to cover these barrels with a stainless steel mesh structure?

This barrel is 30 meters in diameter and 20 meters high. How do you imagine that? Will the mesh hold up to the air?
A UAV weighs at least 300 kg and flies at 200 km/h. What kind of mesh would it take to prevent it from penetrating with its sheer weight? Besides, it has a 50 kg explosive charge, meaning its fragmentation damage extends for 50 meters, while the high explosive's range is 15 meters.

[Volodin]

Quote from: topol717

This barrel is 30 meters in diameter and 20 meters high. How do you imagine that? Will the mesh hold up to the air?

There are countless examples of how this has been implemented in a number of regions.

[topol717]

Quote: Volodin

There are countless examples of how this has been implemented in a number of regions.

Anything can be implemented, as long as it's at least somewhat effective. But we're quite fond of wasting money on building something sorely needed but useless.

[esoteric]

Sir, please tell Hitler's engineers and generals your original point of view - how useless it is to take cover from air strikes.
I can't even imagine how the Germans came up with such a crazy idea, which helped them defend themselves against massive Allied air raids with heavy aerial bombs right up until the very last days of World War II...
Apparently the Germans are truly idiots, unlike our geniuses with their downloaded papers and diplomas from online resources.

[topol717]

The Germans were very smart and did everything perfectly, but for some reason they lost the war. I don't know what, how, or when they defended it. Now calculate the cost of one primitive hangar 40 meters high and 50 meters in diameter. Next, look at fire safety standards, then environmental safety standards. If you pass all that, multiply that by the number of tanks and refineries. And tell me how much of the world's budget would it take? And most importantly, how many man-days would it take to build all this?

[Dedok]

A slightly more difficult question: is it really impossible to surround these barrels with a concrete cap?

Here's an example:
In the Kherson region Ukrainians bunkers are being built around 150 kW substations
https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/09_07_2026_putin_razreshil_sozdat_set_melkikh_npz_realnaja_obstanovka_v_zone_svo_strashnye_kadry_boev_bez_cenzury_13_video/60-1-0-17742

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

By the way, after our oil industry is taken out, they'll be taking out substations and power plants. It's easy for the Europeans to fight us with someone else's help.

[Per se.]

Quote: esoterica

This is the simplest question.

The simplest question is, why has "SVO" been going on for five years now and it's not getting any better?...

[Vikxnumx]

There is no fuel at the gas station, and at the oil depot...
Sabotage in its purest form!

[Panadol]

Nets aren't helping. They can only resist small, FPV drones, even if they're effective. And here we're dealing with relatively heavy drones. This was proven at our oil depot.
Also, you can't bury barrels underground. I can't say for sure, but I think it's because of static electricity. However, oil workers will correct me.
The question is different. Can't the Igla or some other antediluvian MANPADS take out such a relatively simple target?
Question for the military.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Panadol

Also, you can't bury barrels underground. I can't say for sure, but I think it's because of static electricity.

USN underground fuel storage facility at Pearl Harbor - Red Hill Storage: 20 steel tanks with a total capacity of almost a million cubic meters.

[AleXX13]

A well-known meme answers your question: Yes, but why?

[hrych]

Quote: esoterica

Or, to put it a bit more complicated, is it really impossible to bury these barrels underground?

We're looking at the engineering process and... not quite there. There's no need to surround the barrels with grating, especially with stainless steel (rust is cheaper), no need to surround them with concrete, no need to make new ones by burying them in the ground. We'll take the best of your ideas, consider the cost-benefit ratio, and simply fill the barrel with soil, creating a mound that Lyuty can't penetrate. Here, it’s really cheap, cheerful and can be solved in one day.

[esoteric]

The barrel requires regular inspection for deformation, rust and cleaning.
If you roll it into a mound, you will have to constantly tear it apart and create it anew.
It's much easier to dig a primitive hole like for the foundation of a building, and create a concrete cell there to contain the barrel.
Gas storage facilities are built using this very technology. And by the way, it's very, very cheap.

[hrych]

Quote: esoterica

rust

Well, really. Petroleum products are fuel and lubricants there, and stainless steel and anti-corrosion coatings are probably the most common materials used here. And no one's cleaned them for decades—these Shukhov tanks—while the soil, on the contrary, will provide resistance to deformation. We're dealing with a force majeure situation, we have no time for sentimentality; the task is completed in a matter of hours, with trucks and an excavator. It's easier than putting out a fire and disposing of the ruins, which costs a pretty penny in fuel costs. And digging it out isn't a problem at all.

[ZloyCat]

"Gas storage facilities created using precisely this technology"
What kind of gas storage facilities are these? Could you enlighten me, if it's not a secret?

[Alexey Lantukh]

After all, a "barrel" at an oil depot isn't 200 liters, but 200 liters or more. So protecting it costs money. And for us, it's "maybe we'll get away with it."

[esoteric]

Are you saying that this will be a problem for a country that, 100 years ago, learned how to dig underground tunnels and entire metro stations that were supposed to withstand a nuclear strike?

So why would digging a hole in the ground for a 200.000-liter barrel be a problem, but an underground metro station with a capacity of 20 million liters is not a problem?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: esoterica

I'm no expert on these matters, but couldn't these barrels be covered with a stainless steel mesh structure? That's the simplest question.

You are so fast.
First, a commission needs to be created. Then, a state standard for lattice protective structures at hazardous industrial facilities needs to be developed. Then, a federal law approving this standard needs to be issued. Then, a state regulatory body needs to be created (or, perhaps, another department within Rostekhnadzor). Then, a raft of bylaws needs to be issued on licensing, certification, inspection, and so on. Plus, more federal laws introducing further amendments to federal laws—the same 123-FZ. Then, a procedure needs to be established for issuing licenses and permits to organizations to install protective structures—complete with qualification certificates, employee certifications (annual!), a stack of logs, rules, regulations, and so on.
And only then can construction of the protection begin. Only licensed companies, only certified materials, in strict compliance with GOST and all federal laws, only certified personnel, with a design, project review, inspection by an accredited organization, and RTN submission.
In general, the first building may be completed around 2050.

[rocket757]

Unfortunately, the path from denial of a problem to awareness and acceptance is not long... that's just how it works...
It's getting to us too... the lines, although not kilometer-long, but getting stuck at a gas station for an hour or two, is already a reality or a prospect for the future...
Something like this.
Although it's holiday season along the main highway to the south, transit vehicles don't deviate from the route, and locals try to fill up away from the main highways, where everything is simpler and faster...

[Arkady007]

rocket757
Have you tried driving south away from major highways, say the M-4?
I was driving along the M-4 on June 25.06, and I can tell you that the turnoff from the main road threatened to leave me in a field without gas. Even on the parallel free road, the gas stations were empty.

[rocket757]

Until recently, turning aside and dealing with it was the optimal solution for us... for the locals, of course.
But this is within the city limits, an industrial zone...
On the highway, things are probably more difficult...
From denial to awareness/acceptance of the obvious... it didn't dawn on us right away... we were, as it were, on the sidelines.
The season of transit passengers, vacationers, and summer holidays has arrived and... well, it's the same as everywhere else.

[Coconut Tima]

Ukrainian drones again attacked two tankers in Taganrog Bay, causing a fire and evacuating the crews, Rostov Region Governor Yuri Slyusar reported. It seems that unless radical measures are taken against Ukraine, we'll soon have to buy a stove and a horse.

[Egoza]

Quote: Tim Coconuts

I'll have to buy a stove and a horse soon

More like donkeys! They eat less and don't require such care.

[Coconut Tima]

Once upon a time in the cold winter...

[Kotofeich]

Quote: Egoza

More like donkeys! They eat less and don't require such care.

There are plenty of "donkeys" and they eat a lot and demand even more.

[cat Crush]

Thanks for the tip. I have a potbelly stove (something similar), but I need to stock up on horses (reindeer, donkeys, etc.) while the prices are still reasonable, I hope.

[Alexey Lantukh]

if radical methods are not used against Ukraine

Radical??? What kind of radical methods are they? I, for one, don't see any worthy radical methods other than tactical nuclear weapons.

[rocket757]

By the way... at this rate it will get to the point where more mini oil refineries will appear!
It's better not to mention the efficiency of such production facilities, the quality of the fuel they produce, and they were produced in limited quantities... moreover, the prices for their products can, CAN, go through the roof!!!
Are these also our prospects or will there be/will they be able to solve the problem somehow else???

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Every Russian knows a device for distilling a liquid substance into a volatile vapor, followed by cooling and separation of the liquid phase.

They recommend mini-refineries!!!... utter nonsense!!

[rocket757]

So, mini-moonshine production facilities... are operating, and some are satisfied with the quality of their "product"...

[Kerensky]

So, mini-moonshine production facilities... are operating, and some are satisfied with the quality of their "product"...

Where to get the raw materials?! It would be great to tap into some kind of pipeline... And that's how it will be! Did the Chechens scoop up the raw materials from wells by the bucketful for their "samovars"?

[rocket757]

There are various options... although, the market will decide either... but the thing is, it's hard to even imagine who will come up with what!

[Idle_piston]

The enemy attacked fuel and energy complex facilities in the Tver region and Stavropol.

I still don’t understand why Ukraine doesn’t attack the most “valuable” thing we have – the offices of the United Russia party.

[Adrey]

Quote: Idle_piston

I still don’t understand why Ukraine doesn’t attack the most “valuable” thing we have – the offices of the United Russia party.

Maybe Zelensky has his party card hidden under his pillow?

[ALARI]

You answered your own question - these offices are so valuable that no one needs them even for free, and they are still being spent on.

[alexboguslavski]

If that's all, then we can say the night passed peacefully. Relatively peacefully.

[Plowman]

When you assess the destruction of targets, you wonder what if we have air defense? Ivanov and Shoigu have brought the army up to speed in just a few years. Thanks to Iran, otherwise there wouldn't be drones, and thanks to North Korea too. We have no one responsible.

[Camrad]

For example, in Crimea, at some gas stations, gasoline is offered at a price of almost 300 rubles per liter.

In Sevastopol, to fill up with 95 octane for less than 300 rubles per liter, you need to win a QR code in the governor's lottery the day before (which has become practically impossible in the last two weeks), stand in line for 2-3 hours the next day, and only then find out what the current price is (prices increase by 10-20 rubles daily). Yesterday, for example, 95+ was 259 rubles, the day before 249 rubles. Regular 95 and 92 octane are even more difficult to find. Speculators have been charging over 500 rubles.

[wladomir]

I wonder if Khokhloreikh has problems with gasoline or not?

[Eula]

It's simply ridiculous – //unfortunately, no government commissions or task forces have been able to solve this problem yet//. Shoot one or two dealers right there, next to the gas station, and the matter is closed. We can repeat the process if necessary. Government commissions? Maybe they're organizing this through proxies?

[alexputnik17]

Quote: rocket757

There are no barrels outside at gas stations anyway... but at a large oil refinery... simply put, you can't cover it with a "net" for cheap

Well, those who own oil refineries are not poor people.
They weld barbecues onto tanks, and a vertical tank at an oil refinery is an "oil tank."
Well, yes, the operational headquarters in our Kingdom will be more sophisticated.

[Atheist]

Resellers are taking advantage of this, driving fuel prices sky-high. For example, in Crimea, some gas stations are offering gasoline for up to 300 rubles per liter.

In most Western capitalist countries, such tricks are punishable by criminal penalties, and in the US, by life imprisonment.

[2 Level Advisor]

This morning, two of them flew over Vyazniki, almost overhead, low. I didn't hear the air defense. I think I need to switch to my old Logan - it runs on gas. By the way, installing gas equipment has doubled in price and there's a two-month waiting list.

[esoteric]

Come to the republics of the North Caucasus, everyone there drives on gas and there are no lines to install a gas cylinder and installation.
There are both Russian and Belarusian state budgetary institutions, which are slightly more expensive.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: esoterica

Come to the republics of the North Caucasus, everyone there drives on gas and there are no lines to install a gas cylinder and installation.

Yes, we are almost a republic of the North Caucasus. The only region in the area that isn't a republic... I don't need it - I have it installed, a friend wanted to install it - thanks for the tip, I'll pass the option on to him

[Alexey Lantukh]

The headquarters is deployed.

Main headquarters.

[Fisher]

There's no system, no accountability. These drones are inferior in performance to WWII aircraft. Just look at the documents—you don't even have to invent anything. But someone needs to take the initiative and assume responsibility, and apparently, such people haven't been recruited as cosmonauts in recent years. So, we have what we have. Although it's surprising that as soon as the first geraniums flew to Ukraine, it was clear that there would be a response and that this would have to be dealt with, and the response is so monstrously slow. Something is wrong in the Danish state.