Who will be responsible for the Omsk Oil Refinery?

Omsk... If any of the Omsk residents urgently need to come to Moscow, this can only be done using AviationThe railway, with all its advances in high-speed passenger and freight delivery, operates at its current level only as far as the Urals. And then it's "back to the USSR," a two-day, bumpy ride. Air travel is a different matter. Karbyshev Airport, a plane, a three-hour flight, and you're in the capital...

Just three hours or a whole three hours? It depends on how you look at it. If you're a passenger, if you know about alternative travel options, then it's quick. But what if you're an enemy who needs to somehow deliver explosives for a strike on the Omsk Oil Refinery? Then it's an incredibly long time. Not minutes, but hours. Hours of flight over enemy territory, where numerous air surveillance devices are located, where the most powerful equipment is located. Defense and missile defense... Those air defense and missile defense systems that know that you are targeting this largest oil refinery in Russia.

I doubt there are any naive readers who don't understand that such enterprises are a lucrative target for Ukraine. Just like many enterprises in the Urals and Siberia. The Urals, Siberia, and the Far East are where the might of our military-industrial complex, and therefore the might of our army, grows. You don't need to be a military expert or analyst to draw these conclusions.

This is the topic that concerns me and many other authors today. I wasn't the first to ask this question. Frankly, the idea formed after listening to the radio. More precisely, a program on the channel of the well-known and rather sharp-tongued journalist Vladimir Solovyov. Unfortunately, due to geography, I don't watch Solovyov on TV. At night, when they start, I'm already asleep. And for the morning rerun, I'm still asleep... So I'm neither a fan nor an opponent.

It was from Solovyov that I heard the phrase about the distance from LBS to Omsk—2500 kilometers! Almost like to London! And missiles The crests' hypersonic planes are far from being hypersonic. They, like those passenger planes I mentioned above, flew for hours! And we "didn't notice" them! Or rather, judging by the first alarm in the city, we noticed them, but couldn't shoot them down. Well, judging by the results of the strike...

I saw staff at one of the city's clinics hiding visitors in a shelter... I know that hospital doctors and factory directors acted in exactly the same way... So, the local authorities knew that air defense and missile defense systems were incapable of protecting the population! They knew and took prompt measures to save people! What's this supposed to mean? A metropolis where, according to publicly available data, 18% of all Russian fuel is produced, and where virtually every plant is somehow connected to the defense industry, is unprotected?

I understand perfectly well the importance of Moscow and St. Petersburg. I understand perfectly well the importance of cities in border regions. But... the rear is not only the country's "forge of defense" but also a stronghold prepared to respond to serious aggression against our country. I can't divide the objectives into primary and secondary ones. I can't determine priorities in Omsk, for example. What's more important: the Omsk Oil Refinery or the plant that produces the Angara, or our terrifying Solntsepyok missiles and their descendants?

I recently wrote about how, in my opinion, our Supreme Commander-in-Chief's approach to the Central Military District has changed. I wrote about how Vladimir Putin no longer "approves," but rather leads and makes decisions jointly with the General Staff. I also wrote about the responsibility that falls on specific individuals in connection with such actions by the Commander-in-Chief.

We live in an "accelerated world." Events happen not "someday," but right now. The strike on the Omsk Oil Refinery is precisely such an event. The first test for the authorities. A test of whether the authorities can not only reward heroes but also hold those who have been negligent in the performance of their duties accountable. Not stealing from the budget, but simply unable or unwilling to do what they were responsible for...

I remember the "first strike" against our "invincible"... May 28, 1987, Red Square, and a small sports plane with a 19-year-old German kid in the cockpit. Matthias Rust, who, pardon the jargon, "broke" our air defenses to the ground. The impossible, which we'd been told practically since kindergarten, turned out to be possible for a snot-nosed kid who'd just gotten his pilot's license in Germany.

Remember the government's reaction? How the hats went up in smoke back then? Starting with Defense Minister Sokolov? Thirty-four senior and higher-ranking officers retired. There were only 12 generals! That's the most visible tip of the iceberg. And then there were another two hundred officers "on the ground" whose careers Rust had ruined. Those suspended from their posts, given incompetence certificates, and other such "carrots"...

Not to mention the main scapegoats—Lieutenant Colonel Karpets and Major Chernykh, who were directly responsible for this air defense sector. Incidentally, they acted exactly as their job description prescribed: they saw, reported, and waited for orders... The result: four and five years of imprisonment...

But these are not combat ones. drones Over the Kremlin, not missiles over major military installations. Just a PR stunt... No human casualties, no economic damage. What happens now?

I'm not thirsting for blood. Commanders and superiors aren't gods; most of them are honest in their duties. I also understand that there are always "more important tasks" that need to be urgently addressed "yesterday." But what about the Omsk Oil Refinery then? What about the plants in Voronezh and other cities close to Ukraine? We've switched to "working like adults," which means we need to work in that mode.

No objective excuses. No counter-drone capabilities? Grab your superiors, designers, and engineers by the balls. No equipment or weapons? The same approach. I look with pride at the press reports about our heroes in the Air Defense Forces. I'm proud and understand that very often the heroism of a soldier or officer in a long-range combat mission is the result of a commander's stupidity or incompetence...

Comments

[Same lech]

Heh heh...on VO, smart forum members were already saying a couple of years ago that there would be UAV and missile strikes by the enemy deep in the Russian rear.
Finally, Staver has woken up... hurray, comrades... this is progress from the bottom up.
Russia is slowly and creakingly
but is turning towards emerging dangers from the West.

[wladimirjankov]

[quoteWho will be responsible for the Omsk Oil Refinery][/quote]
For most people in the country, it's clear that no one will be held accountable for anything. This is the main problem.

[freddyk]

Kremlin strategists are placing great hopes on a 50km safety zone.

[ZAV69]

Quote: freddyk

Kremlin strategists are placing great hopes on a 50km safety zone.

Why do you think they're dumber than you? The fact that they're in the Kremlin proves they were smart enough to get there. It's another matter that public politicians often spout utter nonsense on camera. But the decisions they make are completely different. And they have more information than VO readers.

[ASSAD1]

Solovyov, "toothy"!? He's toothy where and on whomever he can. He called Bronia a slut and immediately apologized, but what about Goodvin and Ernst? Can they? And I don't get it about the Supreme Command Council; I think he made the same request and suggestion at the last few meetings. I never heard the word "I order a specific official." And when did we switch to "adult mode," are we working like adults?

[Dedok]

, and Goodwin with Ernst?

and here they wrote that the belly guy got a promotion...

[ZovSailor]

I wouldn't even like to speculate about it, but it appears that the Kremlin has placed the political objectives of the 2026 elections above military-defensive and universal human objectives related to the security of people and the state.

[tsvetahaki]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Russia is slowly and creakingly
but is turning towards emerging dangers from the West.

You're being ironic for no reason. In just four and a half years, we've realized this is war!

[carpenter]

Quote from tsvetahaki

In just 4 and a half years we realized that this is a war!

When we were down on the forum, we understood from the first days of the SVO that this was a war.

[Blacksmith 55]

And how many people were punished who dared to call this SVO a war?
Russians take a long time to get going, but it's time, it's high time to start going.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Vladimir Putin no longer “approves,” but leads and makes decisions jointly with the General Staff.

Where did you get the author's name from?

[Anton Semyonov]

Apparently, the president personally informed the author of this. As for punishment for the guilty... Well, no one is to blame—there are no responsible parties. Well, they exist, sort of, but they're not outright guilty, because they're on the president's team, and on the president's team, as many have seen, there are simply no guilty parties. In my opinion, after the first strikes on the refineries, a commission of interested and authorized individuals should have been assembled and assessed the level of danger to other refineries, assessed their vulnerabilities, considered how and from where the enemy might attack them, and developed a unified, multi-stage defense algorithm. Those responsible should have been appointed and provided comprehensive assistance in implementing the adopted algorithm. After all, fuel is essentially the lifeblood of the economy, just as money is the lifeblood of war.

[alexoff]

Quote: Anton Semyonov

In my opinion, it was necessary after the first strikes on the oil refinery

which happened back in June 2022. But back in May 2026, Novak said everything was fine.

[Gardamir]

That's just how the author sees it.

[2al]

It should be noted that the Omsk Oil Refinery was attacked not by a swarm, but by fewer than 10 UAVs (five were declared). The danger was known, as air raid alerts were issued in the Samara and then Chelyabinsk regions. Ultimately, under excellent visibility and a clear morning, the UAVs reached their targets. Unfortunately, there will be no response, as this is an obvious failure. I should note that there are nearly 20 An-2s at DOSAAF airfields in the Omsk region that could have been used for aerial patrol.

[Vend]

The drones did not fly from Ukrainian territory, but rather far and for a long time, most likely from Kazakhstan.

[Gardamir]

These are just assumptions. Specific evidence is needed.

[Vlad Baryatinsky]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Finally Staver woke up... hurray comrades...

He (Staver) will NEVER wake up. He (Staver) was only awakened.

[Alexander Odintsov]

This all looks like a complete knockout. The system is completely rotten and nothing can be done about it. Soon we will see the end of this strange SVO.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Alexander Odintsov

This all looks like a complete knockout. The system is completely rotten and nothing can be done about it. Soon we will see the end of this strange SVO.

There is a suitable place for this in Moscow - it is called "Revolution Square".

[Andrey_5]

You don't need to be a "smart forum user" to foresee this. Any sane person understood the implications of ramping up drone production per day. While the smartest, most permanent, internet-inept old man sat and waited, the enemy ramped up production. But that's just the tip of the iceberg; 2000 a day will be enough, and then the light (and heat) will run out. It's high time to destroy Starlink, high time to sink tankers, high time to cut cables. It will come anyway, and it already has, just from the wrong direction.

[Grim Reaper]

One day a very smart man said nothing.
The times were not the same.
And the interlocutors did not inspire confidence.

[2al]

His interlocutors gave him away; if he was silent, it meant he was planning something bad.

[Svarog5570]

Rust landed his plane on Red Square because he was allowed to land it and the party leadership is to blame for this.

[Xenon]

Rust landed his plane on Red Square because he was allowed to land it, and the party leadership is to blame for this.

The Soviet military and political elite feared a repeat of 1983, when the Korean Boeing was shot down.

[Bumblebee_3]

Xenon, I don't understand everything about Boeing in 1983, in particular. When I ask a simple question: Where are the passenger bodies? The usual verbal hysteria ensues. Just don't classify me as a flat-earther.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Where are the passenger corpses? The usual verbal hysteria begins.

I never expected any explanation from anyone about where the bodies were... I simply studied many other air crashes over the sea and became convinced that it's very rare to find bodies when falling from a great height. This is attributed to the severe deformation of the bodies, which prevents them from floating even after several days.
Remember how many remains were found when the Ukrainians shot down our Siberia Airlines Tu-154 flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk? Or how many bodies were recovered from the military Tu-154 that crashed into the sea off the coast of Sochi, carrying the ensemble and Dr. Lisa?
A participant in the search for wreckage and remains told me about the Yukon Boeing near Moneron Island. He shared an interesting fact: they, who had served in marine units in the Far East, were not allowed to participate in the search for almost two days until a special brigade from the Moscow KGB combed the entire area. This brigade had a special mission: to conceal all traces of civilian casualties, since the Kremlin had developed a preliminary theory that a reconnaissance aircraft had been shot down. Since the crash site was in neutral waters, the Japanese and Americans rushed there. To deceive them and prevent them from digging in the right place, a false flag operation was even launched far from the crash site, simulating a frenzied search. And it worked... and allowed us to conceal and dispose of the civilian evidence we found.

[Essex62]

And that too. It was only after this friendly visit to the Ministry of Defense that such a purge began, the kind that lasted until 37. The perestroika people ousted all the disloyal generals. Hunchback needed a pretext, so he personally forbade the shooting down of the plane. Verbally.

[Nitochkin]

The provocation with Rust was organized specifically so that "34 senior and high-ranking officers became military pensioners" - those who could prevent the collapse of the USSR in the future.

[Boycott]

They took it right out of my mouth. Some believe Gorbachev forbade Rust's downfall and used the pretext to crack down on army leadership who disagreed with the course of action. It's a dirty story, in short, and has nothing to do with current events. Or should I indulge in conspiracy theories?

[Ataman_stasian]

It is strange that he did not subsequently show such resourcefulness and allowed himself to be surrounded by Yeltsin.

[turembo]

Why only Omsk? Who's responsible for everything that's happening? How did the country go from "getting back on its feet" to such a laughingstock in such a short time? When we beg the enemy not to attack our May 9th parade, but from the podium we declare how we're going to punch everyone in their insolent faces, and then run out of the square faster than the Russian Knights... I haven't watched a parade in years, but I happened to catch one here and, frankly, I'm left baffled. Border towns have already become war zones. Part of our country was occupied for a whole year, and I think the fate of all the people there is still unclear. We've even had bombs fired at the Kremlin, our generals have been blown up, neutral neighbors have joined NATO, we're getting bombs fired at oil refineries and factories, and we're suffering economic and human losses. Lines at gas stations, internet blockages, a decline in living standards and the population as a whole. And something tells me things will get even worse after the elections, where there will be record support for the spiraling course. And it seems no one will be held accountable for this—it's not even on the agenda.
P.S. I apologize in advance for the emotionality and sometimes crude comparisons. I'm tired, just tired. It would be good if I kept quiet and didn't write anything.

[FoBoss_VM]

Yes, all of thinking and sensible Russia is already tired. I see only one way out of this situation... Someone needs to retire before it all ends in the basement of the Ipatiev House.

[your1970]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

Yes, all of thinking and sensible Russia is already tired. I see only one way out of this situation... Someone needs to retire before it all ends in the basement of the Ipatiev House.

Okay, let's imagine that he left.
A new one has arrived, even a communist (a real one)
Let's say they shot the top brass of the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense, and crushed the oligarchs with an asphalt roller on Red Square.
Introduced martial law.
А further what?
Hit TNW at platoon strongpoints? What if tomorrow they send 155mm TNW shells in response, which the Lyuty will drag to any Oil refineries or cities?
Hit NATO with nuclear weapons? It'll be fine if they're just going to whine, but what if they don't?
Stop trading with the enemy? And how are we going to pay the soldiers on LBS? The oligarchs' money will run out in a month... So, a war tax.
And gasoline won't fall from the sky.
The goal of any counterintelligence and censorship is to prevent the free exchange of information - they will turn off cellular communications and the Internet (the owners have already been crushed) on Red Square, see above).
And then what?
Here are 4 reasons for dissatisfaction NEW leader of the country-population

What are your proposals for the next steps of the new government (which completely satisfies you)?

[Essex62]

And then even further. Only in this way, well-tested over centuries and by all the world's authorities. The screws are tightened because it's war. Those who don't understand it are to blame themselves. From now on, everything is for the front, everything is for Victory. Stop beating up the pink ponies, stop spreading liberal snot, or they'll crush us.
And after the war we systematically build socialism.

[Non-fighter]

1. On foreign trade. We have a surplus, meaning we sell more than we buy, and the rest goes into "portfolio investments." And that's the official version; don't forget about the "gray schemes" of capital export.
2. North Korea is an example for us. Its population is smaller than ours, it's under sanctions, but they were able to join the ground forces, missiles, nuclear weapons, and the navy. But we were able to join cruiser-class yachts.
P.S. I read somewhere online that a Norilsk Nickel employee works 40 minutes a shift for themselves and the rest of the time for the boss. I don't know how true that is.

[your1970]

Quote: Not the fighter

North Korea is an example for us. Its population is smaller than ours, it's under sanctions, but they were able to join the ground forces, missiles, nuclear weapons, and the navy. But we were able to join cruiser-class yachts.

I am 500% sure that the Russian population will not want to go to Korea - because the population there is controlled by the state.
And for feinting with his ears - he gets a slap on the ears.
And the general squeal "Oh, they won't let us read the truth on Telegram!!" - there technically It is as impossible as reading "Völkischer Beobachter" in Ryazan in 1941.

Quote: Not the fighter

P.S. I read somewhere online that a Norilsk Nickel employee works 40 minutes a shift for themselves and the rest of the time for the boss. I don't know how true that is.

KhTZ in 1981 - a worker worked for his salary less than an hour a month (I came across an interesting analysis of the relationship between production and wages in the USSR.
So it's entirely possible that this is the case at Norilsk Nickel. But here we need to remember about taxes from the plant, equipment purchases, plant insurance, etc.

[Andy_nsk]

P.S. I read somewhere on the internet that a Norilsk Nickel employee works for himself for 40 minutes per shift, and the rest of the time for the boss.

I don't know about the 40-minute figure; I think it's nonsense. First and foremost, you need to consider expenses and taxes, and it could turn out that the worker is working all eight hours for these very items. In any case, all industrial stocks, including mink stocks, have been falling in price for 18 weeks straight. So, those who want to take them over will need to focus not on profit, but on break-even... or close the remaining factories. I seriously doubt that those who are ranting on the forum about Stalin will actually be able to manage such factories and ensure their profitability.

[Gardamir]

Stop supplying Europe with oil and gas. Increase defenses while simultaneously targeting real infrastructure, not just barns. For some reason, Russia is now asking for negotiations, when Ukraine should be the one making the request.

[your1970]

Quote: Gardamir

Stop supplying oil and gas to Europe

Even if after this we introduce socialism and take it away from the oligarchs ALL - we'll have to stop paying soldiers on LBS and switch to the Soviet 32 ​​rubles for WWII combat workers or 16 Afghan checks for privates.
Because there will be nothing to pay with as it is now.
Commandant patrols and execution of deserters will immediately arise
Well, the 28 billion in pensions paid to pensioners daily will also be in question.
And the banality is that there is no one else to sell to, the wells will have to be shut down, and this is expensive and not always possible.

Quote: Gardamir

For some reason, Russia is now asking for negotiations, but Ukraine should be the one asking.

It feels like everyone has completely forgotten the Russian language.
When the ASK - they say "I agree..."
And now ours REQUEST "We don't need this, we don't need this, this is not up for discussion, and let him come to us."
Difference between by request и demand catch?
Pure diplomacy: "We are open to the world and always FOR PEACE, but Zelensky doesn't want to go to Moscow..."

[Gardamir]

Oil for Europe is essentially Hungary and Slovakia. If they want oil, let them put pressure on their EU allies.
As for whether they're asking or demanding, according to your terms, the oligarchs were crushed by a steamroller, meaning there are no more interested parties left.

[your1970]

Quote: Gardamir

Oil for Europe is essentially Hungary and Slovakia. If they want oil, let them put pressure on their EU allies.

Do they have a crusher? That's exactly it.

Quote: Gardamir

As for whether they're asking or demanding, according to your terms, the oligarchs were crushed by a steamroller, meaning there are no more interested parties left.

the talks about negotiations were about the present moment, not about the future

[Gardamir]

They have enough pressure. If it's the present, negotiations can only take place after a significant success for the Russian army.

[your1970]

Quote: Gardamir

They have enough crush

No, and you know it perfectly well. Both the medals and the Slovaks bend without much effort.

Quote: Gardamir

If in the present, then negotiations can only take place after a significant success of the Russian army

So I'll repeat myself.

Quote: your1970

It feels like everyone has completely forgotten the Russian language.
When the ASK - they say "I agree..."
And now ours REQUEST "We don't need this, we don't need this, this is not up for discussion, and let him come to us."
Do you understand the difference between a request and a demand?
Pure diplomacy: "We are open to the world and always FOR PEACE, but Zelensky doesn't want to go to Moscow..."

And it's ardent

Quote: Gardamir

That's the trick: you can't close ports so as not to ruin the businesses of respected people.

The Kupyansk oil refinery, destroyed back in 2022, and the gas station network belong to Azerbaijan – they're freaking out now.
They ruined the business NOT respected people?

[bug120560]

Sergey, forgive me, but all your above arguments are the product of your own sick imagination. If we examine the problems systematically, without foolish extremism, I think even a schoolchild would understand what needs to be done and how to achieve the most effective results. An example? Hundreds of drones are flying deep into our rear, containing nothing but bodies and submunitions manufactured by the 404th. What would it take to completely stop or at least reduce the number of these flights? It's very simple – massive strikes against strategic supply routes from the West. How? Nothing is impossible either. The Biskid Tunnel, which carries 75% of Ukraine's rail traffic and is located in a relatively sparsely populated region of the Carpathians, is being targeted (for example, by the Oreshnik missile) with sufficient force to completely destroy it, if necessary using a tactical nuclear warhead. The railway depots where train bogies are changed (of which there are only eight in Ukraine) are being targeted, and road border crossing points are being attacked with conventional ballistic missiles. Similar strikes are being launched against the berths of the Danube ports, against the berths of the Black Sea ports—I think the Black Sea Fleet's Varshavyanka missile ships could easily have carried out strikes even with their torpedoes. And all this is not instead of, but in addition to, the strikes currently being carried out. And for all this to become a reality, there is no need to steamroll anyone into the cobblestones of Red Square; what is needed is the very "smallest thing"—a nationally oriented government.

[Evgesha]

I agree with everything except nuclear weapons!!!
There's no reason to use nuclear weapons!! According to our doctrine, there are no grounds for it at the moment!! And anyone who advocates the use of nuclear weapons should be sentenced to 15 days of forced labor.
But I agree with the rest of your message.
And I add that such strikes should have been carried out in the winter and spring of 2022. And then they should have been constantly hammering both transport hubs and energy infrastructure.
But .. "We're not like that, we didn't start it, etc." and in the end "Please be understanding". (c). And our Foreign Minister is constantly mumbling something about some international rights and lines... and has also started talking about possible deception...

[bug120560]

Evgeny, you apparently didn't read carefully enough. I'm not advocating the use of nuclear weapons. I wrote that a strike on a tunnel should be powerful enough to completely destroy it, and only if necessary would a tactical nuclear warhead be used. There are simply targets that cannot be destroyed otherwise.

[your1970]

Quote: bug120560

Through the Biskid tunnel, which is 75% of Ukraine's railway traffic,

There are no weapons supplies there - they come from Poland from Rzeszczów.

Quote: bug120560

border crossing points for motor vehicles

The checkpoint consists of 3 trailers of the "Forester's House" type - new ones are brought in within 1 hour and the checkpoint continues to operate.

Quote: bug120560

I think the berths of the Black Sea ports

And what will happen to monolithic reinforced concrete? The correct answer is that they'll chip away at most a piece.
The port crane weighs about 3,000 tons - the tower maximum will kill the crane operator / if you break the cables - 1 day of downtime.
Ships? WWII experience shows that even with the second rate of pay, sailors continue to sail even after PQ-17, while shipowners are satisfied with even basic insurance.

[VlK]

Ships? WWII experience shows that even with the second rate of pay, sailors continue to sail even after PQ-17, while shipowners are satisfied with even basic insurance.

Closing the adjacent Black Sea region to shipping and air traffic, and destroying all facilities within it, would have solved the problem instantly—within a week, no one would be willing to enter such a port. And what else is a navy needed for, if not to blockade the enemy's coastline? Why wasn't this done in March '22? Oh, right, they wanted to ensure that the export of resources by respected people in that same region wouldn't be threatened...

[Gardamir]

That's the trick: you can't close ports so as not to ruin the businesses of respected people.

[traveler 63]

Quote: VlK

Ships? WWII experience shows that even with the second rate of pay, sailors continue to sail even after PQ-17, while shipowners are satisfied with even basic insurance.

Closing the adjacent Black Sea region to shipping and air traffic, and destroying all facilities within it, would have solved the problem instantly—within a week, no one would be willing to enter such a port. And what else is a navy needed for, if not to blockade the enemy's coastline? Why wasn't this done in March '22? Oh, right, they wanted to ensure that the export of resources by respected people in that same region wouldn't be threatened...

Just a quick geography refresher! Ships from the Bosphorus are heading to Odessa through Turkish, Bulgarian, and Romanian waters! So what? Declare war on them all?

[VlK]

Why? Can you drown at the entrance to Ukraine's territorial waters, for example?

[traveler 63]

Quote: VlK

Why? Can you drown at the entrance to Ukraine's territorial waters, for example?

Answer: How and with what? I understand your "couch potato" suggestions, but the question remains: "How and with what?"

[VlK]

Anti-ship missiles, submarines, and the Black Sea Fleet's aviation—isn't that enough? Otherwise, what was the point of this fleet, just for foreign visits and flag-showing? Or are you saying we're incapable of controlling shipping traffic along the coast near Odessa and further west?

[traveler 63]

You're absolutely right! If there's a war, we're going to have a strategic nuclear war! Although in the West, it's perceived as a war! Of course, you can declare war... the result will be the use of the entire nuclear weapons arsenal! Do you need that?

[VlK]

Of course, you can declare war... the result will be the use of the entire arsenal of nuclear weapons! Do you really need that?

Of course not. How many wars have been fought and are being fought without the use of nuclear weapons—literally all of them, without exception. It's just that with an official declaration of war, it will become difficult or impossible to arrange parallel resource exports and transit schemes through enemy countries, and the infrastructure of respected international business partners in the war zone, such as the Azerbaijani oil industry, will no longer be inviolable.

[Ataman_stasian]

We're barely fending off the BECs, let alone closing down the area.

[bug120560]

Before showing off your "profound knowledge," Sergey, you should look at a map, at photos of border crossings, and at least check online. If you're short on time, the Beskydy Tunnel provides a direct link between Lviv and Uzhgorod and, as part of an international transport corridor, connects Ukraine with Central Europe. In addition to Kalibr missiles, Varshavyanka-class submarines carry 18 torpedoes, four in a single salvo, each torpedo carrying 300 kg of explosives. An explosion wouldn't just "break off"; it would leave behind a "crater of an extinct volcano."

[your1970]

Quote: bug120560

Sergey, before showing off your “deep knowledge,” you should have looked at the map, at the photos of the border checkpoints,

I worked in this for 12 years - I am a customs officer, albeit a former one.

Quote: bug120560

If you're short on time, the Beskydy Tunnel provides a direct connection between Lviv and Uzhgorod and, as part of an international transport corridor, connects Ukraine with Central Europe.

And?
The weapons are supplied directly from Rzeszczów; weapons have not been shipped through the Beskid Tunnel since 2023.

Quote: bug120560

In addition to Kalibr missiles, Varshavyanka-class submarines carry 18 torpedoes, four in a single salvo, each containing 300 kg of explosives. An explosion wouldn't just "break off a piece"; it would leave behind a "crater of an extinct volcano."

Aha, 6 meters of cast reinforced concrete They'll make it a "crater"...

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

If we approach problems systematically, without foolish extremism, I think even a schoolchild will understand what needs to be done and how to achieve the most effective results. An example?

Well, let's look at some examples.
During the Vietnam War, the Americans tried to cut off the Ho Chi Minh Trail with bombing, but failed.
During the Korean War, the Americans tried to cut off the North Korean army's logistics with bombing, but failed.
During WWII, the Americans tried to cut off supplies to German troops in Italy, but failed.
During WWII, the Germans tried to cut off the "Road of Life" with bombing, but failed.

[bug120560]

Dear Dart2027, you truly shine with your "profound knowledge." For your information: the "Ho Chi Minh Trail" is the American name for a network of jungle supply routes, totaling over 20,000 kilometers. Constant American air strikes along the "Ho Chi Minh Trail" meant that only 20% of supplies ever reached their destination. During the Korean War, American air strikes against supply routes pushed the North Korean army, which had captured virtually all of South Korea, back to the 38th parallel. Chinese volunteers and Soviet pilots saved it from destruction. During World War II, German efforts to cut supply lines to besieged Leningrad resulted in the deaths of 1.5 million civilians, approximately 97% of whom died of starvation. And finally, two little pieces of advice for you: as Klyuchevsky used to say, study history and sometimes it's better to remain silent, it's easier to pass for smart.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

The Ho Chi Minh Trail is the conventional American name for a network of supply routes in the jungle, with a total length of over 20 km. The constant pressure of American air power along the Ho Chi Minh Trail led to the fact that

The US had to leave Vietnam empty-handed.

Quote: bug120560

During the Korean War, American air force bombing of supply lines resulted in

The US had to send its army to save the Southerners and sacrifice tens of thousands of its soldiers for this.

Quote: bug120560

During the Great Patriotic War, the Germans' actions to cut off supply routes to besieged Leningrad

They were unable to completely cut off supplies, despite the fact that the only road was precisely the only one and was bombed very heavily, otherwise Leningrad would not have lasted even a couple of months.
Study history and sometimes it's better to remain silent, it's easier to pass for smart

[bug120560]

Dart2027, you're a typical demagogue, because changing the subject is one of the hallmarks of demagoguery. Let me remind you, the topic of our conversation is the need to strike at enemy communications, not the reasons for the US defeat in Vietnam. And don't ask me to learn something I don't know.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

Dart2027, you are a typical demagogue, because changing the topic is one of the signs of demagoguery.

That is, I'm right.

Quote: bug120560

Let me remind you that the topic of our dialogue is the need to strike at enemy communications, and not the reasons for the US defeat in the Vietnam War.

Let me remind you that these blows are being dealt all the time.

[bug120560]

Dart2027 is a classic demagogue, and like all demagogues, a chatterbox. As for the constant attacks, that's a two-fold issue. Attacks vary. We destroyed 30% of our oil refineries. In Banderastan, after repeated attacks, the Kremenchug Oil Refinery, although not as bad as before, continues to operate, as does the entire transportation network on the European border. Generally speaking, this situation was very well described by I.A. Tolkonyuk, Chief of the Operations Department of the 33rd Army Staff, in his memo to I.V. Stalin: "If you hit a man with a log, he will certainly be killed, but if you chop this log into pieces and hit the same man with these pieces at different times, he will easily withstand these blows and will not lose any of his vitality."

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

Dart2027 is that you are a classic demagogue and, like all demagogues, a chatterbox.

That is, I don’t let myself get confused.

Quote: bug120560

We lost 30% of our oil refinery, and in Banderastan, after repeated strikes, the Kremenchug oil refinery, although not as well as before the strikes, continues to operate.

because he is supplied with equipment for repairs, as a result of which he has to continue bombing again and again.

Quote: bug120560

In general, a similar situation was described very well by

Quote: Dart2027

During the Vietnam War, the Americans tried to cut off the Ho Chi Minh Trail with bombing, but failed.
During the Korean War, the Americans tried to cut off the North Korean army's logistics with bombing, but failed.
During WWII, the Americans tried to cut off supplies to German troops in Italy, but failed.
During WWII, the Germans tried to cut off the "Road of Life" with bombing, but failed.

[bug120560]

Dart2027 can only confuse those who are capable of thinking. Those who lack the capacity for thought are safe. Strikes against strategic supply lines, disrupting them even temporarily, are a classic feature of any military operation. So, enough of "working according to someone else's playbook"—it's time to think for yourself. If you have the wherewithal, of course.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

For those who have excluded the thought process, this does not threaten.

Self-critical.

Quote: bug120560

Attacks on strategic supply routes

Strikes against enemy rear areas, railways, warehouses, factories, etc. have been carried out for a long time.
Change the training manual.

[bug120560]

Dart2027, by mentioning regular strikes, you once again confirm your lack of thought process. Otherwise, you couldn't ignore the fact that all the strikes regularly reported by the Ministry of Defense and trumpeted by the media don't result in any resource shortages for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. As one rule of analysis states: "If your actions don't produce the desired result, then either you're doing the wrong thing or you're doing it wrong."

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

that all the strikes regularly reported by the Ministry of Defense and repeated by the media do not lead to any resource shortages for the Ukrainian Armed Forces

By saying the Ukrainian Armed Forces don't have a resource shortage, you once again confirm your lack of thought process. Otherwise, you couldn't ignore the fact that, from the very beginning, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been supplied with everything they need from abroad. And as for the nonsense about "let's cut off Ukraine,"

Quote: Dart2027

During the Vietnam War, the Americans tried to cut off the Ho Chi Minh Trail with bombing, but failed.
During the Korean War, the Americans tried to cut off the North Korean army's logistics with bombing, but failed.
During WWII, the Americans tried to cut off supplies to German troops in Italy, but failed.
During WWII, the Germans tried to cut off the "Road of Life" with bombing, but failed.

[bug120560]

Dart2027, you not only have a complete lack of thought process, but also, apparently, a lack of memory. Reread what you wrote earlier.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

Reread what was written earlier.

Quote: Dart2027

By saying the Ukrainian Armed Forces don't have a resource shortage, you once again confirm your lack of thought process. Otherwise, you couldn't ignore the fact that, from the very beginning, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been supplied with everything they need from abroad. And as for the nonsense about "let's cut off Ukraine,"

Read.

Quote: Dart2027

By saying the Ukrainian Armed Forces don't have a resource shortage, you once again confirm your lack of thought process. Otherwise, you couldn't ignore the fact that, from the very beginning, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been supplied with everything they need from abroad. And as for the nonsense about "let's cut off Ukraine,"

Quote: Dart2027

During the Vietnam War, the Americans tried to cut off the Ho Chi Minh Trail with bombing, but failed.
During the Korean War, the Americans tried to cut off the North Korean army's logistics with bombing, but failed.
During WWII, the Americans tried to cut off supplies to German troops in Italy, but failed.
During WWII, the Germans tried to cut off the "Road of Life" with bombing, but failed.

[bug120560]

Dear Dart2027, I'll repeat it again for the lazy: the "Ho Chi Minh Trail" is the American code name for a network of jungle supply routes, totaling over 20 kilometers. Constant American air strikes along the "Ho Chi Minh Trail" meant that only 20% of supplies ever reached their destination. During the Korean War, American air strikes on supply routes pushed the North Korean army, which had captured virtually all of South Korea, back to the 38th parallel, and were saved from destruction by Chinese volunteers and Soviet pilots. During World War II, German efforts to cut supply lines to besieged Leningrad resulted in the deaths of one and a half million civilians, about 97% of whom died of starvation. Finally, two pieces of advice for you: as Klyuchevsky used to say, study history, and sometimes it's better to remain silent—it's easier to appear intelligent.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

The constant pressure of American air power along the Ho Chi Minh Trail meant that only 20% of the cargo reached its destination.

Сonclusion

Quote: Dart2027

The US had to leave Vietnam empty-handed.

Quote: bug120560

During the Korean War, American air force bombing of supply lines resulted in

Сonclusion

Quote: Dart2027

The US had to send its army to save the Southerners and sacrifice tens of thousands of its soldiers for this.

Quote: bug120560

During the Great Patriotic War, the Germans' actions to cut off supply routes to besieged Leningrad

Сonclusion

Quote: Dart2027

They were unable to completely cut off supplies, despite the fact that the only road was precisely the only one and was bombed very heavily, otherwise Leningrad would not have lasted even a couple of months.

And finally, two little pieces of advice for you: as Klyuchevsky used to say, study history and sometimes it's better to remain silent, it's easier to pass for smart.

[bug120560]

Dart2027, you're not just a demagogue; you're much more serious than that if you keep repeating this nonsense. What can you do if you lack the intelligence to even compare the losses incurred by both parties and assess the causes of those losses? So I can only answer you with the words of the great Johann Goethe: "Of all thieves, fools are the most harmful, for they steal our time."

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

Dart2027, you're not just a demagogue, you're much more serious than that if you keep repeating all sorts of "nonsense".

You have described yourself well.

Quote: bug120560

What can you do if you lack the intelligence to even compare the losses incurred by the parties and assess the causes of these losses?

When the US Army, with all its equipment, fights against Vietnamese guerrillas, the reason for losses is very obvious.

Quote: bug120560

So I can only answer you with the words of the great Johann Goethe:

You'd better follow him, otherwise stealing is not good.

[bug120560]

Dart2027, I'm forced to bring you back to the "sinful earth." The initial conversation was about the need to destroy/disrupt strategic supply routes. This is one of the fundamentals of any combat strategy, but you, with your abilities and apparently having successfully avoided the army, are not destined to understand this. Finally, one more piece of personal advice: when trying to demonstrate your importance, look in the mirror. Although this has the medical term "narcissism," it's less noticeable to others than feeblemindedness on display. With that, allow me to take my leave.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bug120560

Dart2027, I have to bring you back to the "sinful earth." The conversation initially went

The idea that strategic supply routes can be destroyed is only in the fantasies of ignoramuses who know nothing and understand nothing.

[Ataman_stasian]

A small correction. On all major highways, our track gauge extends considerably into neighboring countries. Roughly speaking, our track gauge extends all the way to Rzeszów.

[bug120560]

Stanislav, you've clearly been reading articles by all sorts of "experts" like Alexander Dmitrievsky. Yes, there are indeed bogie exchange points in Poland, in Przemysl and Mostyska. However, they certainly wouldn't be able to handle the volume of cargo without the Ukrainian points. Just like the broad-gauge metallurgical railway entering Poland—a line built in 1979—was built entirely to Soviet standards, including the Russian gauge. Or do you believe that reducing military traffic isn't the goal, but rather that it should be stopped entirely?

[Xenon]

Quote: your1970

What if tomorrow they respond with 155mm nuclear missiles, which the Lyuty can carry to any oil refinery or city? Should we attack NATO with nuclear weapons?

Let's just surrender right now, or God forbid, NATO hands over nuclear missiles to the Ukrainians, which Lyuty can drag to any oil refinery. And are we going to pay the Ukrainians reparations? And how much? Or what else do we need to do to stop them bombing us? My minus!

[your1970]

Quote: Xenon

And are we going to pay reparations to the Ukrainians? And how much? Or what else do we need to do to stop them bombing us?

If you think so, you can pay reparations, but don't forget that it's a criminal offense here now...

[cast iron]

The oligarchs' money will run out in a month.

A month, you say? Let's do the math. Arithmetic is a subject we have in school. The first link shows the combined wealth of Russia's billionaires alone (not including dollar millionaires) at $696.5 billion. Are you saying we won't have the money to pay in a month? Take arithmetic off the shelf and relearn it. It's useful.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

Take arithmetic off the shelf and study it again. It's useful.

Small but vulgar nuance -

Quote: cast iron

696.5 billion dollars.

is the cost ASSETS billionaires - that is, factories, shares, football clubs, yachts, contracts, diamonds, and so on.
All this will already happen. nationalized to the moment

Quote: your1970

The oligarchs were crushed by an asphalt roller on Red Square.

And getting money in exchange for, for example, Chelsea or Norilsk Nickel will not work.
And pensioners need money - which is in their accounts All In 2020 (according to the Forum), our billionaires were only enough for 1.6 months of pension payments.
Billionaires don't keep their money in banks, or even in glass ones - no.

You need to master other rules of arithmetic, too—besides "Subtract and divide." It's useful to use your brain sometimes...

[cast iron]

And getting money in exchange for, for example, Chelsea or Norilsk Nickel will not work.

What about revenue? Will there be revenue? Or will it disappear after nationalization?

Pensioners need money - which ALL of our billionaires had in their accounts in 2020

So, pensioners or military personnel? You decide.

Billionaires don't keep their money in banks, or even in glass ones - no.

But they keep it offshore. Hundreds of millions, at least. And their assets generate DAILY income. Which could be nationalized and used to pay the population, not buy a yacht or a football club.

It's useful to turn on your brain sometimes...

Exactly. You need to use your head and understand that oligarchs are an absolute evil for the Russian people.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

That's exactly it. You need to turn on your brain and understand that Oligarchs are an absolute evil for the people of Russia.

And I argue with this. ????!!!!!!!

Quote: cast iron

But they keep it in offshore accounts. Hundreds of millions, at least.

Can we get it from offshore accounts? That's right – no!!!

Quote: cast iron

Which can be nationalized and used for payments to the population

Just not for payments to the population - but, for example, for planned equipment replacement.
And the population, as usual, flies by - under any government.

[cast iron]

Can we get it from offshore accounts? That's right – no!!!

When you take any Ildigarh with his wife and daughter into the bargain, he will return all his offshore accounts himself within a week.

And the population, as usual, flies by - under any government.

.

Everything is known in comparison. The population of the USSR has gained in comparison with the population of the Empire.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

When you take any Ildigarh with his wife and daughter into the bargain, he will return all his offshore accounts himself within a week.

Read about China's "Heavenly Network" - they return to China under sentence about 86% of those who fled abroad and only 1 to 3% of the money taken out.
It's impossible to know offhand how much and where it is; they'll give you 20 bills, but you won't even know about the rest.

Quote: cast iron

Everything is known in comparison. The population of the USSR has gained in comparison with the population of the Empire.

Whether the population will benefit from the third redistribution of property and the collapse of the economy—well, I don't know. I wouldn't want to find out what it's like to live under War Communism and the collapse...

[Eugene Zaboy]

Quote: cast iron

A month, you say? Let's do the math. Arithmetic is a subject we have in school. The first link shows the combined wealth of Russia's billionaires alone (not including dollar millionaires) at $696.5 billion. Are you saying we won't have the money to pay in a month? Take arithmetic off the shelf and relearn it. It's useful.

 $696.5 billion isn't cash in safes or bank accounts, but rather more than 90% of the value of assets, primarily fixed assets (land, buildings, and structures). You won't be able to pay workers' wages with this, and no one will buy it after expropriation. The state will instantly go bankrupt, as in 1917.

[Egg]

Quote from Eugene Zaboy

$696.5 billion isn't cash in safes or bank accounts; rather, more than 90% of the value is in assets, primarily fixed assets (land, buildings, and structures). You won't be able to pay workers' wages with this, and no one will buy it after expropriation.

They'll print the same amount of money for these assets and pay everyone, don't get carried away here...
Moreover, if the oligarchs are crushed and all their loot is confiscated, the social order will change, and all calculations there will shift to other tracks and according to other principles.
If they stop prioritizing personal enrichment, limit resellers' markups to 15-20%, introduce reasonable taxes on the rich, and impose death penalties for large-scale theft and corruption, there will be enough money for everything, although there is always a shortage of it :)
In the West, they work for 5-10% profit and it's fine, but ours don't even scratch the surface for 100% profit; they want the full 300% profit because they have to pay the "hidden tax" - pay this one, give that one a cut...
But... there is always a BUT.
They won't do this voluntarily.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Quote: Telur

They'll print the same amount of money for these assets and pay everyone, don't get carried away here...

Who will print what kind of money? Estimated value in dollars. The Americans won't print any, and the shares of these assets will be worth zero after expropriation.

If they stop prioritizing personal enrichment, limit resellers' markups to 15-20%, introduce reasonable taxes on the rich, and impose death penalties for large-scale theft and corruption, there will be enough money for everything, although there is always a shortage of it :)

The Cheka was already operating and there were firing squads as well, and it ended with the collapse of the economy.

Quote: Telur

In the West, they work for 5-10% profit and it's fine, but ours don't even scratch the surface for 100% profit; they want the full 300% profit because they have to pay the "hidden tax" - pay this one, give that one a cut...

So perhaps we need to fight those who need to pay, not the business owners who are forced to do so. Then markups will be smaller and the profit margin will decline. Corruption is a classless phenomenon. For some reason, what oligarch Elon Musk can do, Roscosmos and NASA couldn't.

[Egg]

Quote from Eugene Zaboy

Who will print what kind of money? Estimated value in dollars. The Americans won't print any, and the shares of these assets will be worth zero after expropriation.

Has Russia's printing press already been scrapped? No, they'll print on it; the oligarchs have enough assets, both state property and gold reserves, for that.

Quote from Eugene Zaboy

The Cheka was already operating and there were firing squads as well, and it ended with the collapse of the economy.

It ended well, stop listening to liberal nonsense. The USSR built more industry in its first five-year plan than the Russian Federation had in 30 years. After the war, it even doubled production in just five years compared to the pre-war period.

Quote from Eugene Zaboy

So perhaps we need to fight those who need to pay, not the business owners who are forced to do so. Then markups will be smaller and the profit margin will decline. Corruption is a classless phenomenon. For some reason, what oligarch Elon Musk can do, Roscosmos and NASA couldn't.

We need to fight at all levels.
Elon Musk is a brainchild of NASA, and without direct funding from NASA he would still be building models and dreaming of outer space.
Roscosmos is a sore point... I think everyone understands why Roscosmos is incapable. The USSR, under much worse conditions, was capable of being the first to go into space and successfully sending lunar rovers to the moon and Venus, but Roscosmos is only capable of cutting into the budget.
We've been surviving on the Soviet legacy for 35 years now, whether in space, weapons manufacturing, or the oil and gas industry. Every single one of the Yamal fields currently being developed was discovered in the USSR. Back in 1993, I dug through the archives and saw with my own eyes many volumes of the oil field development plan through 2030, complete with master plans, pipeline drawings, oil pumping stations, pumping stations, roads, and other structures, explanatory notes, and feasibility studies.
Project institutes worked for years in advance; this is called a planned economy, which the whole world is only now striving towards.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Quote: Telur

Has Russia's printing press already been scrapped? No, they'll print on it; the oligarchs have enough assets, both state property and gold reserves, for that.

Everything has long since been printed on the Russian printing press, using Russian assets. If they start printing again, we'll see rampant inflation, like after the revolution or in 1991. Who needs to repeat that?

Quote: Telur

Elon Musk is a brainchild of NASA, and without direct funding from NASA he would still be building models and dreaming of outer space.
Roscosmos is a sore subject in general...

Elon Musk is a creation not only of NASA, but also of Roscosmos. But these penguins couldn't even sell him the technology they handed him, much less produce what he ordered. So he had to build his own space business from scratch, using NASA and Roscosmos technology. Where did he get those multi-stage rockets? From Roscosmos. How? They're not oligarchs, but the state-owned enterprise you're so stubbornly championing. How could they have leaked cutting-edge technology to Elon Musk, thanks to which he now dominates the commercial space launch market? Russian oligarchs certainly have nothing to do with this. Rogozin is at most involved, but he's a former journalist and government official, not an oligarch. In other words, he's a product of the very system you're proposing a return to. The prospects are unattractive and even detrimental to the state.

[cast iron]

You won’t be able to pay the workers’ wages with this, and no one will buy it after the expropriation.

And don't the oligarchs receive any income from their assets? No? They don't make daily profits from factories, real estate, and other things, no? And from what income do they hide millions in offshore accounts?

The state will instantly become bankrupt, as in 1917.

Turns out it was all about the oligarchs! Oh, come on! I guess this fairy tale will fly for the next five years. I don't need to erase it.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Quote: cast iron

And don't the oligarchs receive any income from their assets? No? They don't make daily profits from factories, real estate, and other things, no? And from what income do they hide millions in offshore accounts?

Do you want a director appointed by the state (or party activists) to hide this profit in a safe? This has happened before, and it ended with the collapse of the USSR. A second time would be even faster; you wouldn't even have time to build anything, and no one would want to build anything anyway.

Quote: cast iron

Turns out it was all about the oligarchs! Oh, come on! I guess this fairy tale will fly for the next five years. I don't need to erase it.

The problem wasn't the oligarchs, but the Bolsheviks and communists, who for some reason refused to take stolen party and state funds to the West, which they had previously hated. In 1991, it was they who transferred the money to the West, not the oligarchs, who didn't exist at the time. Consequently, oligarchy is generated by corrupt government, not by asset owners.

[cast iron]

Therefore, oligarchy is created by corrupt government, not by asset owners.

There's a school textbook called "Formal Logic." It was taught in schools under Stalin. Then they stopped. And it was a shame. You could find it useful.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Quote: cast iron

There's a school textbook called "Formal Logic." It was taught in schools under Stalin. Then they stopped. And it was a shame. You could find it useful.

It's unlikely that asset owners dream of running around to officials and showering them with bribes. It's obvious and requires no logical conclusions. And it's fraught with legal consequences. Businessmen are being forced into desperate situations where they are forced to pay bribes or lose their business.

[cast iron]

It's unlikely that asset owners dream of running around to officials and showering them with bribes.

The owner of an asset dreams of increasing its value, including through unfair competition, which is achieved by bribing the authorities and securing special conditions for themselves.

Businessmen are being forced into desperate situations where they are forced to pay bribes or lose their business.

Was it in the 90s that business was created in such unbearable conditions that the seven-banker regime immediately emerged and Berezovsky kicked open Yeltsin's office while he was drunk? Well, well.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Quote: cast iron

The owner of an asset dreams of increasing its value, including through unfair competition, which is achieved by bribing the authorities and securing special conditions for themselves.

The owner of an asset truly dreams of increasing its value. They just don't want to part with the profits and go to jail for bribery. They don't want that by definition. Unfair competition, bribery of the authorities, etc. are terms used by unscrupulous officials seeking to justify themselves.

[cast iron]

But he doesn’t want to part with the profit and go to jail for bribery.

Haven't you read Karl Marx's classics? What lengths will capitalist companies go to for a 300% profit? Can you tell me the answer?

[Eugene Zaboy]

Quote: cast iron

But he doesn’t want to part with the profit and go to jail for bribery.

Haven't you read Karl Marx's classics? What lengths will capitalist companies go to for a 300% profit? Can you tell me the answer?

K, Marx is a theorist, but we are talking about practitioners, living people.

[cast iron]

Marx is a theorist, but we are talking about practitioners, living people.

Marx is a recognized classic, studied by all leading Western economic schools. Living fools can go to hell.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Quote: cast iron

Marx is a recognized classic, studied by all leading Western economic schools. Living fools can go to hell.

Marx was an unemployed theorist who spent his entire life on unemployment benefits. Where did he come from and what life experience did he have if he'd done nothing in his life, couldn't even earn money, and so he slandered business.

[Taimen]

After a surprise strike, there will be no one to launch the "Lyutye" missiles. And there will be no one to transfer weapons from the West to.

[your1970]

Quote: Taimen

After a surprise strike, there will be no one to launch the "Lyutye" missiles. And there will be no one to transfer weapons from the West to.

That is, we need to withdraw troops and strike at all Ukrainian cities with several nuclear warheads?
Not into glass (expensive) - but destroy the population ten times in Ukraine (and at the same time the survivors will trample the EU border guards), right?

[Voyager-1]

I think the gentleman above meant that the retirement of such a person and the arrival of a new one would mark a change in approach; otherwise, it's nonsense. And most likely, given the trends and the fact that the time for making difficult but necessary decisions has already been irrevocably lost, the implication is that the new person will embrace peace, à la Khasavyurt.

[Ed Mac]

The 155 richest Russians have a net worth of approximately $600 billion. That's official. Unofficially, it's probably several times higher. The Northeast Military District (SVO) has 700,000 troops. We'll round it up to the nearest million.
$600,000,000,000 is 600,000,000,000 rubles, which for 1,000,000 people comes out to 60,000,000 rubles per person, 300,000 rubles per month for at least 200 months. There are 12 months in a year, so that's enough for 20 years. And you say a month.
What did you think?
If we were to conduct an audit of the country, the stolen wealth would likely be enough to rebuild two more Russias. The labor force is inexpensive, and everyone believes in their country.

[your1970]

Quote: Ed Mack

The 155 richest Russians have a net worth of approximately $600 billion. That's official. Unofficially, it's probably several times higher. The Northeast Military District (SVO) has 700,000 troops. We'll round it up to the nearest million.

How did you get everything? - those who believe that the fortune of billionaires is mountains of money that can be given away....
Would you give a soldier a piece of Norilsk Nickel or half a gram of diamond - and cut it off for 300,000 a month??????
These 600 billion are ASSETS (factories, newspapers, offices, yachts, clubs, raw materials, insurance, shares, underwear, etc.), and not money in accounts. Money in accounts their All According to Forbes, 2020 will only be enough for 1,6 months of pension payments and that's it.
That's all.....

[Ed Mac]

Assets are what generate profit. Profit is at least 10% per year, and maybe much more; otherwise, it's better to put it in the bank. Ten years and you'll always get 100% or more. So, what entertains 155 people can easily defend the homeland indefinitely with 1,000,000 people.

[your1970]

Quote: Ed Mack

Assets are what generate profit. Profit is at least 10% per year, and maybe much more; otherwise, it's better to put it in the bank. Ten years and you'll get 100% or even more.

For those who don't understand - I repeat:

Quote: your1970

There is money in their accounts All According to Forbes, 2020 will only be enough for 1,6 months of pension payments and that's it.

If they don't keep money in accounts, it means money is wasted with a miserable interest rate, not the growth that the investment will bring.
They are billionaires, not grandmothers with 10,000 rubles in savings.

[bug120560]

Sergey, as someone who knows everything, could you please shed some light on the topic: what portion of his assets did Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev use to purchase the Greek islands of Skorpios and Sparti for his daughter?

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: bug120560

Dmitry Rybolovlev

yavrey?

[your1970]

Quote: bug120560

Sergey, as someone who knows everything, could you please shed some light on the topic: what portion of his assets did Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev use to purchase the Greek islands of Skorpios and Sparti for his daughter?

Hmm, from the same ones as other billionaires - they bought yachts and mansions.
Moreover, these islands after purchasing them became his ASSETS
They don't have any money storage facilities within our reach. And dividing the islands is pointless.

[cast iron]

Hmm, from the same ones as other billionaires - they bought yachts and mansions.

So, they do have hundreds of millions to buy yachts, islands, and football clubs? Right? Are their assets generating huge profits? Maybe this profit, from the oligarch's pocket, could be redirected to pay the military? Or are you just not getting the math right again?

Imagine if, instead of buying islands, an oligarch's personal MONTHLY profit went toward paying the military and pensioners? All problems would be solved immediately.

They don't have any money storage facilities - they are within our reach.

They don't need it. They generate monthly profits equal to the value of their islands and yachts.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

. They have monthly Profit is generated in the amount of the value of the islands and yachts.

and they monthly buy yachts/islands?
And if they suddenly didn't buy it, they put it in piles.

Quote: cast iron

They don't need it

loot storage...
You forget that ASSETS require regular systematic investments
(A regular yacht berth - without anything - costs Abramovich 120,000 pounds a year).
And you also have to invest in factories, raw materials, and licenses.

Quote: cast iron

Imagine if, instead of buying islands, an oligarch's personal MONTHLY profit went toward paying the military and pensioners? All problems would be solved immediately.

I can't imagine. This already happened in the USSR - and the USSR found other ways to spend this money besides paying the military and pensioners.
Therefore, by nationalizing everything, we will end up with the state, for example, having to buy a factory to produce smartphones - there will be no bourgeois to import various things.
Or spare parts for foreign cars - the state won't ask "what's your VIN?" to order the hardware for you. maximum centralized procurement of the most popular,
So it will be like in the USSR...

[cast iron]

I can't imagine. This already happened in the USSR - and the USSR found other ways to spend this money besides paying the military and pensioners.

For example, housing for all, free and accessible education for all, and healthcare. And also sports/physical education and infrastructure. That's not just a lot. It's a huge expense. Even the USSR managed to scrape by. And what was left over for the army, space exploration, airplanes, and so on?

Therefore, by nationalizing everything, we will end up with the state, for example, having to buy a factory to produce smartphones - there will be no bourgeois to import various things.

Aren't we destined to learn from China's experience? It took them 40 years to become a high-tech giant in all fields.

Or spare parts for foreign cars - the state won't ask "what's your VIN?"

The bourgeoisie can buy anything. Even in the 1930s, the USSR, besieged on all sides, bought licenses to produce Ford cars and aircraft engines and brought in foreign specialists to build power plants.

So it will be like in the USSR...
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Well, first of all, it won't happen. Nothing has ever been 100% repeated. And secondly, a huge portion of the population would agree to USSR 2.0 if they were told the whole story and given a choice.

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

Aren't we destined to learn from China's experience? It took them 40 years to become a high-tech giant in all fields.

You boldly go outside and say youth - "In 40 years, will you have a smartphone and a domestic one?" Oh well....

Quote: cast iron

The bourgeoisie can buy everything just fine.

-
1) Opel (“Every car eventually becomes an Opel”) - they didn’t sell it to us.
2) even if you buy it, it's a car factory
3) You can boldly tell the owners of foreign cars, "Go to hell!!!! The government won't spend foreign currency on spare parts for your Opel, Ford, Haval, BMW, and Renault!!!" And that's really true.

Quote: cast iron

A huge part of the population will agree to USSR 2.0 if they are told the whole scenario and given a choice.

With the previous points you have turned young people, owners of foreign cars, and traders who are deprived of money from trade against you.
You do not acknowledge the oligarchs' debts - after which you will remain isolated - as in 1918.
Industry cannot wait for some Rapallo.

After which turn away from you ALL.
And USSR 2.0 will collapse in literally 3 years – it was possible to promise a bright future to grandchildren in 1917. That won't work now.

[Ivan F]

"These 600 billion are ASSETS"—not all of them, only some. And some of them are actual cash. BUT... Besides this official 600 billion, there are also hidden ones, and those are all "cash." Over the past 20 years, about $800 billion—$1 trillion—has been withdrawn from Russia to offshore zones and foreign jurisdictions as a net capital outflow. This is the same cash that was siphoned off to accounts "there." And this is in addition to the official 600 billion. So if you were to look at all the "successful" ones, you'd find more than a trillion. The only problem is that most of it has already been withdrawn.

[your1970]

Quote: Ivan F

So if you were to look at all the "successful" ones, you'd find more than a trillion. The only problem is that most of them have already been withdrawn.

This is not the only problem - it is the main one.These funds are out of our reach.
This is what I wrote about -

Quote: your1970

How are you all getting on my nerves - those who think that billionaires' fortunes are mountains of money that can be given away...
Would you give a soldier a piece of Norilsk Nickel or half a gram of diamond - and cut it off for 300,000 a month??????
These 600 billion are ASSETS (factories, newspapers, offices, yachts, clubs, raw materials, insurance, stocks, underwear, etc.) – not money in accounts. According to Forbes, the money in ALL of their accounts is only enough to pay pensions for 1,6 months, and that's it.

[Podvodnik]

That the fortune of billionaires is mountains of money that can be given away....

It's not a big business you need to comb through. They really do have practically everything in assets, papers, and so on. And it's all official. The cash is in other places. These are people like Timur Ivanov, Khoroshavin, and others. There's cash in closets, safes, pillows, dachas, country estates, rented apartments, basements, and even desks. In bundles, bags, boxes. When they bust such a guy, the cash is hauled away in a truck, a flatbed truck.
Khoroshavin on Sakhalin, Timur, and Colonel Zakharchenko all had the same effect. And only a few were taken. How many were there in total? Far more. There's no desire to work or obey the law. It feels like the country's power has run out. Because it's simply beyond comprehension how someone could steal like crazy for DECADES in high positions, buying up real estate, diamonds, and other things tens of times their official salary, and... nothing.

[VlK]

What are your proposals for the next steps of the new government (which completely satisfies you)?

There's no need to shoot anyone (except perhaps by court order, in accordance with the law). During WWII, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief (not counting the excesses of the first month of the war) promptly removed incompetent leaders (military and civilian) from their positions, demotion them, or transfer them to the personnel reserve. This allowed for both the search for new approaches (using new people) to solving problematic tasks and the preservation of experienced personnel for possible deployment in other, less critical areas. And at the same time, it kept all other leaders on their toes, preventing them from becoming euphoric or lethargic due to a sense of their own indispensability. Why not start with this? Moreover, the new authorities, it is assumed, should not be so closely tied either by personal relationships or obligations to the old cadres. In fact, regular turnover of power implies precisely this, first and foremost.

[your1970]

Quote: VlK

During the Great Patriotic War, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief (not counting the excesses of the first month of the war) immediately removed incompetent leaders (military and civilian) from their positions, demotion them, or transfer them to the personnel reserve.

Zhigarev, huh? Well, he lied to my face, well. tore off delivery of 702 aircraft to the front in the autumn of 1941.
Apparently, he went as a private to stop German tanks?

[VlK]

I didn't understand your complaint.
"According to the order of the People's Commissar of Defense No. 136 of May 4, 1942, and in accordance with the resolution of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of April 26, 1942, No. 588 "On the appointment of comrades A. A. Novikov, V. V. Aborenkov, M. P. Vorobyov and A. D. Rumyantsev as deputies of the People's Commissar of Defense," he was removed from the post of commander of the Red Army Air Forces and appointed commander of the Air Forces of the rear Far Eastern Front. [b] From June 1945, he commanded the 10th Air Army. In August 1945, the army's troops participated in the Soviet-Japanese War in the zone of troops of the Second Far Eastern Front in Manchuria, supporting combat operations on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands." - from Wiki

[your1970]

Quote: VlK

I didn't understand your complaint.

What's so incomprehensible?
Disrupted the supply of aircraft to the front in October 1941 - went to the Far East May 1942
7 (seven!!!) months is what you call it -

Quote: VlK

without delay

??
Not a sour "without delay" - for lying to your face and disrupting aircraft deliveries.
Yes, and punishment - by a general in the Far East lull.....

[LaraM]

Can we finally stop importing everything Ukraine needs from Poland, Romania, and wherever else they're importing it from? What's this stupid slogan about "grinding them up for LBS"?
Why isn't it ground to LBS???

[Andrey_5]

Do what you must, and come what may. That's what Iran does, and that's what we must do. And you're suggesting capitulation. We need to respond to everything, not sit around expressing concern.

[your1970]

Quote: Andrey_5

And you propose capitulation.

It doesn't seem like spring...
Where did you find it from me? at least a word about capitulation?????!!!!!
I wrote down the problems that the new leader of the country will face and which will need to be resolved extremely quickly.
Didn't manage to read what was written??

[Ratimir]

Is it better to change nothing, to do nothing? Better to slide further into the abyss? So we need to at least try to do something, to change something. Finally, to fight for real. So Iran is fighting, but Russia is worse?

[Dart2027]

Quote: your1970

What are your proposals for the next steps of the new government (which completely satisfies you)?

You've forgotten that a punishment for panicking and spreading rumors will be introduced, similar to the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of July 6, 1941. Up to five years, if I'm not mistaken, and that's without calling for anything like the overthrow of the government, then more. And everyone who knows how to fight in united ranks will go to places not so remote.

[tank64rus]

The basement in the Ipatiev House has long since disappeared. By order of Yeltsin, the regional party secretary, the basement was blown up along with the house. Apparently, the memories and fear of being there haunted the family.

[Shtrek]

Quote from turembo

...Who's responsible for everything that's happening? How did the country go from "getting back on its feet" to becoming such a laughingstock in such a short time?
And something tells me that after the elections... it will be even worse....

The concept of "we will beat you, but you don't beat us" is difficult to implement in the context of a long-term war...
Of course, when the "SVO" was announced, they promised that "everything is under control and there will be no problems," and now, several years after the great war, the discrepancy between the declared and the achieved results causes resentment, fatigue and disappointment....
So Ukraine did not promise that when its territory is under attack by the Russian Armed Forces, it will not defend itself... and without transferring military operations to the enemy's territory, inflicting significant damage on him, victory cannot be achieved...
What flies through Russian territory today will fly through Ukrainian territory starting in 2022... And defending one's territory and the Russians living here should be no less important than attacking Malaya Tokmachka...
And people who have found themselves under retaliatory strikes are rightly asking "geostratologists" about the "leaky" nature of their own air defenses...

[Kotofeich]

Quote from turembo

It seems that no one will answer

But they will find someone to blame.
At the end of the 50s, Stalin was to blame, at the end of the 60s, Khrushchev was to blame, at the end of the 80s, Brezhnev, Khrushchev, and Stalin were all to blame, at the end of the 90s, Gorbachev was to blame...
And everything will repeat itself, as before... A drugstore, a street, a lamppost.

[your1970]

Quote: Kotofeich

Quote from turembo

It seems that no one will answer

But they will find someone to blame.
At the end of the 50s, Stalin was to blame, at the end of the 60s, Khrushchev was to blame, at the end of the 80s, Brezhnev, Khrushchev, and Stalin were all to blame, at the end of the 90s, Gorbachev was to blame...
And everything will repeat itself, as before... A drugstore, a street, a lamppost.

The problem is that we might not be able to escape the third time - they won’t let us and will make every effort.

[Anton Semyonov]

Everyone is tired. My heart and soul also ache for the Motherland. Everyone understands perfectly well who is to blame, just as they understand that the guilty will not be held accountable unless there are radical changes in the system of power.
When criticizing, suggestions are welcome, but I personally can't think of anything good to say, and I have no idea how to break this impasse. If a person or political force were to come up with an adequate solution, I would vote for that force or person...

[turembo]

When criticizing, suggestions are welcome, but I personally can't think of anything good to say, and I have no idea how to break this impasse. If a person or political force were to come up with an adequate solution, I would vote for that force or person...

Absolutely right. Considering we don't know the original goals, this is a pointless act for us. But perhaps, for starters, Slavs should stop killing each other. Hatred will remain, yes, but it will pass. Robbing each other is also pointless, since both Ukrainians and Russians have long been robbed by anyone and everyone. Even the very meaning of the conflict is lost, and many, in five years, won't even remember how it all began...

[Down]

It's bad that you don't love your country and don't know its history. Since 1905, and even before, the deadlock was no less than it is now, and it was resolved not by voting or by bowing to the Tsar.

[Rotmir_Venrus]

Well, they say that "if something happens, it means someone needs it."

[tehnix]

I apologize in advance for the emotionality and sometimes crude comparisons, I'm tired, just tired

"So this is war. There's not enough air defense coverage for everyone. The one with the strongest nerves will win. Buy a gasoline generator, for example—who knows what might happen... And maybe you'll calm down a bit. I'm not being sarcastic. I generally think the population should prepare somehow, otherwise they live as if nothing's happening..."
I had an old woman who worked in Murmansk during WWII. The Germans burned down the entire city, and only then did the anti-aircraft guns arrive.

[turembo]

A generator is certainly fun, but just refueling it is a hassle. I live in Siberia, and if our power and main heating are simply cut off in the winter, no generator will save us. The cities would simply freeze; here, you'd probably need a potbelly stove at home.

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: Xenon

Rust landed his plane on Red Square because he was allowed to land it, and the party leadership is to blame for this.

The Soviet military and political elite feared a repeat of 1983, when the Korean Boeing was shot down.

The Korean Boeing barely scraped the edge of Soviet territory. But Rust brazenly flew all the way to Moscow. No one in the world would have batted an eye if he'd been shot down en route.
"What if he was carrying cartridges?"

[alexoff]

Quote: Grim Reaper

The Korean Boeing only barely touched the territory of the USSR.

I just flew over a military airfield and headed towards Vladivostok...

[Nikolay Malyugin]

Problems don't appear in groups. One problem arises, and it needs to be addressed. When many problems accumulate, solving them all becomes difficult. After all, some countries began developing air defense systems when combat drones weren't even a thing. But then a Turkish combat drone appeared. It would seem like a good reason to focus on this type of weapon and protect ourselves from it. And yet, I believe the most important thing is protecting our country's borders. This isn't just about border protection, but also about collecting intelligence from abroad.

[alexoff]

But then a Turkish combat drone appeared. It would seem that this is a reason to focus on this type of weapon and protect ourselves from it.

There was cause for concern in 2019, when a flock of Yemeni shahids descended on Saudi Arabia's main oil refinery and something unpleasant happened to them. But what kind of smart person would learn from the mistakes of others? We're not even willing to learn from our own.

[Gardamir]

And from my window, the Kapotninsky Oil Refinery is visible. But all over the country's internet, high-ranking officials, like deputy prime ministers responsible for the oil industry or the speaker of the Federation Council, are suggesting we don't discuss gasoline and avoid panicking.

[Ivan Kuzmich]

There is an urgent need to revive the air defense system that existed in the USSR.
Revive and create new anti-aircraft missile schools in each federal district, stop exporting anti-aircraft missile systems, and mobilize air defense officers up to 65 years of age.
There should be an air defense military unit in every region of the country.
I know many will say that it is expensive, but it is
We need to make sure that our rear is reliably protected.

[Vladimir M]

This isn't just expensive, it's also unfeasible under current conditions. It'll just go down the drain.
We first need to "air out" the stench of the "spirit of Anchorage" and begin responding to our "dear, respected partners," as Iran does. But it seems this path is "closed" for our leaders.

[your1970]

Quote: Vladimir M

We first need to "air out" the stench of the "spirit of Anchorage" and begin responding to our "dear, respected partners," as Iran does. But it seems this path is "closed" for our leaders.

And what did Iran (or Israel or the USA) achieve?
That's right - nothingHormuz is closed again, oil trade is impossible again, and there's no one to collect the toll for passage...

[Essex62]

That's exactly what he achieved. Armenia is closed, Iran stands and fights, the Pindos are in big trouble, and the redhead who started the massacre and then shit himself will certainly be carried out of the oral office. The Persians have achieved a lot. They are taken into account.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Armuz is closed, Iran stands and fights,

Quote: Essex62

The person who has shit himself will certainly be carried out of the oral room.

And what will this give Iran - other than moral satisfaction?
There is nothing to restore, Hormuz is closed, the US today struck with greater force than before.

Quote: Essex62

They are taken into account.

Who? Israel and the US are attacking, just as they did before.

[Essex62]

If they're beating them, it means Iran hasn't and won't surrender. They'd rather die than surrender, everyone (from their spiritual leader to a simple schoolgirl). Iran is fighting for its independence, its sovereignty, while the Russian profiteers are clutching their purses and dreaming of sitting on a chair in a common house from Peniche to Vladik. And the speculator's reasoning is all along these lines. So what, how, and where to get the money? Did the USSR pay salaries during WWII? Where did they get the money?

[VlK]

Those who wanted and hoped to reach an agreement there were the first to fall, apparently paying the price for their naivety or shortsightedness. Theoretically, it should be a different matter entirely. It's a matter of science, of who's worth negotiating with and who's not.

[Essex62]

Who died, where? The list of millionaires in Russia is growing by leaps and bounds during the civil war imposed on us by the Western spiritual fathers of the 91-93 profiteering coup. Russians are dying, they're getting fat. And not a single one has lost either their freedom or their life there. Their children live comfortably in the West and are clearly not in poverty. They still negotiate just fine today.

[VlK]

Who died, where did they die?

In Iran, which we discussed above. Have you forgotten how the last war there began—with the almost complete destruction of their military-industrial complex?

[Essex62]

Well, they weren't going to negotiate. They were simply killed.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

If they hit, it means Iran has not and will not lie down under them.

Don't you take into account the difference between "didn't lie" and "take him into account"?

Quote: Essex62

A. Did the USSR pay salaries during WWII? Where did they get the money?

MMM, you seriously don’t remember where?
There were no oligarchs, no export of goods - where did they get the money? So they had to carry out reforms in 1947?
Think....

The bonus for a destroyed tank is 1000 rubles, the salary of a factory worker is 300, a bucket of potatoes is 100 rubles, a bottle of vodka is 400
A knocked-out tank = 2 bottles of vodka and a bucket of potatoes with a 0.2 kg piece of lard.
Ferapont Petrovich bought a second plane for 200 kg of sold honey.

[Essex62]

Who said it would be easy? A speculator's logic always follows one path. It's twisted. Keep going. You'll soon be a private.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Actually, a speculator's logic always thinks in one direction. It's perverted.

That is his answer to his you didn't understand the question

Quote: Essex62

A. Did the USSR pay salaries during WWII? Where did they get the money?

Quote: Essex62

You'll soon become a private

And I'm not Mikhan (Vitalik) - I don't need a career as a local marshal.
My position is important to me and I will defend it even as a private.
I definitely won't re-register - there's no one to discuss it with here anymore, the marshals are afraid to answer, they've eaten up all the reasonable people.

[doker79]

There's no one left to discuss it with, the marshals are afraid to answer, all the reasonable people have been eaten up.

Incidentally, this is true. The average forum member's intellectual level is quite low—conspiracy theories, alternative realities, pseudo-historicism, and speculation are favored. Sound argumentation and facts are constantly downvoted. Negative selection is evident.

[Essex62]

Sound argument? Is it the kind that feeds oligarchic capitalism and discredits socialism? Well, it's a far-fetched argument, precisely the kind of pseudo-importance. Simply put, it's an outright lie.

[Essex62]

I've long since mastered everything, and your attempts to turn white into black, to distort the system that made it possible to win—the only possible one under those circumstances—will not work.

This isn't your position, don't be ridiculous. Or rather, it's not entirely yours. This is what was brought upon you and instilled in you. You haters of socialism and the power of the working man. You're our reasonable one.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

I've long since mastered everything, and your attempts to turn white into black, to distort the system that made it possible to win—the only possible one under those circumstances—will not work.

This isn't your position, don't be ridiculous. Or rather, it's not entirely yours. This is what was brought upon you and instilled in you. You haters of socialism and the power of the working man. You're our reasonable one.

Your epithalamia is good - but on YOUR OWN you still haven't answered the question

Quote: your1970

A. Did the USSR pay salaries during WWII? Where did they get the money?
MMM, you seriously don’t remember where?
There were no oligarchs, no export of goods - where did they get the money? So they had to carry out reforms in 1947?
Think....

[Essex62]

So, did they have to carry out reforms after the war? Well, they existed in practically all countries actively involved in the war. Except for the United States, I think.
What's there to think about? Are you saying that the Soviet government made money through speculation?

[Xenon]

Quote: your1970

And what has Iran achieved?

Are you suggesting Iran capitulate and establish an American-Israeli occupation administration on its territory? And pay them all reparations, too? I'm the one with the downvote again!

[your1970]

Quote: Xenon

Quote: your1970

And what has Iran achieved?

Are you suggesting Iran capitulate and establish an American-Israeli occupation administration on its territory? And pay them all reparations, too? I'm the one with the downvote again!

I am stating the fact that, at the present time, Iran has not achieved its set goals – to collect duties on Hormuz, lift sanctions, and begin reconstruction.
The US and Israel also failed to achieve their goals - but this does not make things any easier for Iran.

Quote: Xenon

You are suggesting that Iran capitulate.

Quote: Xenon

The minus is mine again!

Ascribe to the opponent what he didn’t say and I happily give him a minus for my idea - somehow not very adequate, or something...
Try reading at least the whole sentence.

Quote: your1970

And what did you achieve? Iran (or Israel or USA)?

[Egg]

Quote: your1970

I am stating the fact that, at the present time, Iran has not achieved its set goals – to collect duties on Hormuz, lift sanctions, and begin reconstruction.

I've already sworn off responding to your provocative posts, but oh well, this is the last time :)
Where do you get your information that Iran had a goal of levying duties on Hormuz? Where and when did it announce this goal? And regarding the sanctions... well, it was unpleasant, but Iran somehow managed to survive all these years and wasn't particularly poor.
Before the attack of the pin**do**s on Iran, no duty existed and Iran did not demand it.

[your1970]

Quote: Telur

Where do you get your information that Iran had a goal of levying duties on Hormuz? Where and when did it declare this goal?

Kommersant
World
30.03.2026, 22: 40
An Iranian parliamentary committee has approved the introduction of duties on ships in the Strait of Hormuz.
An Iranian parliamentary commission has approved a preliminary draft law on shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. Its provisions include a clause on monetary fees for passage through the sea corridor. Fars reports this, citing a member of the commission.

The project also includes provisions on:
regulation of security measures in the strait;
safety of navigation;
environmental issues;
banning passage through the strait for ships associated with the United States or Israel;
banning passage through the strait for ships from countries that participate in unilateral sanctions against Iran, and others.

Quote: Telur

And regarding the sanctions... well it was unpleasant But Iran somehow lived all these years and was not particularly poor.

Are you ready to repeat this to our 300 billion pound groans?
But I seriously doubt that Iran doesn't need them at all. 1,1 trillion (!!!) dollars frozen by US sanctions.

[Egg]

Quote: your1970

30.03.2026, 22: 40
An Iranian parliamentary committee has approved the introduction of duties on ships in the Strait of Hormuz.

And the FSA and Israel launched their first strikes on 28.02.2026, and until They were entertained by sanctions and threats against Iran in the media and spent two or three months gathering their troops from all over the world...
Well, can you guess where the cause is and where the effect is?
Only a month after the brazen attack on Iran they were forced to close the strait.

Quote: your1970

But I seriously doubt that Iran really doesn't need the 1,1 trillion (!!!) dollars frozen by US sanctions.

Everyone needs money, regardless of the amount, but Iran nevertheless lived and lived relying on aid from China and periodic aid from the Russian Federation and had no intention of closing the strait.
Okay, given your amazing ability to turn facts upside down, I'm not going to argue with you.

[your1970]

Quote: Telur

Well, can you guess where the cause is and where the effect is?
Only a month after the brazen attack on Iran they were forced to close the strait.

For not understanding - I wrote about Iran's goals NOW

Quote: your1970

I am stating the fact that THE PRESENT MOMENT Iran has failed to achieve its goals of collecting duties on Hormuz, lifting sanctions, and beginning reconstruction.
The US and Israel also failed to achieve their goals - but this does not make things any easier for Iran.

The conversation wasn't about 1979, but about TODAY. .
Do you deny these Iranian goals now?

Quote: Telur

Everyone needs money, regardless of its quantity, but, nevertheless, Iran lived and lived relying on aid from China and periodic aid from the Russian Federation

- I'm embarrassed to remind you that the number of articles here on VO and the idea of ​​comments "Sakhipzadovna on a stake for 300 billion" is limitless.
У poorer Iran - 1.1 trillion dollars were taken away.....

[Essex62]

Iran and Russia's capabilities are incomparable. A superpower cannot afford to have its vast resources extorted.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

A superpower cannot allow itself to have its enormous resources squeezed out.

Well, the USSR allowed its "Tuapse" to be taken away - not even by the USA/England, but by wretched Taiwan.
For example, to be honest, I would have hungered for Taiwan's nuclear weapons.
If only everyone would understand everything, they would appreciate that Russia also maybe bite off his head and there would be "peace, friendship, chewing gum" (c).
And most importantly, China would have appreciated correctly that we don’t feel sorry for the Chinese...
And it may well be that the USSR would have survived, having demonstrated decisive action in times of dire need.

[LaraM]

"It's not just expensive, it's not feasible under current conditions."

- If in the Soviet Union everyone worked and lived in their own country and the state had all the money for various occasions, now the money is in the hands of various scumbags who keep it in Switzerland.

[Gardamir]

The country's optimization continues. Air defense for every region is ineffective.

[avia12005]

The main thing is to reliably cover the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance.

[Non-fighter]

The problem is that our "relatives" attack not what they can, but what they want. If tomorrow they start attacking the thermal power plant and other utilities, and it's -10°C outside, should we put all the mechanics and electricians at machine guns and let them fight back in their free time?

[Gardamir]

By the way! I wonder where the ministers, deputies, the mayor, and other close associates live. The gas crisis hasn't affected them. But what if the plumbing becomes unusable? How will Matviyenko and the other Sobyanins feel about that?

[Arnok]

But what if it becomes impossible to use the plumbing? How will Matviyenko and the other Sobyanins feel about that?

Oh, come on, Matviyenko-Sobyanin, remember how all of Moscow howled when they started blocking their mobile internet in the fourth year? It happened once every other day. People didn't even know such a problem existed. A real mess.
We haven't had it for two years. Sometimes it slips through far from the factories, but otherwise it's empty.
Or with gasoline, it's the same old story. Just 20 minutes of standing around is a tragedy. Here, people spend hours soaking at Rosneft. Lukoil is empty, just closed.
If only our vast, beautiful country lived equally. If the joy of victory and the sorrow of loss were the same for everyone, then perhaps the people would consider this Putin adventure something important.
And so, no one cares, especially the authorities and the oligarchs, as long as this mess ends. Everyone's waiting for it to resolve itself. Whoever makes any kind of decision will be made the scapegoat. So they're trying to do nothing.

[Victor Leningradets]

Question:
Who should mechanics and electricians be fending off with machine guns? Ignorant, disgruntled citizens?
In fact, firing a machine gun with live ammunition in an urban environment is, so to speak, associated with... As is the aerial interception of drones using onboard cannons.

[Non-fighter]

The management's plan is to protect against incoming drones. After all, our oil refineries were required to defend themselves against drones, in the spirit of "there's no money, but you hang in there." Similarly, the housing and utilities sector will protect itself.

[Couch General]

Nobody expected drones launched from trucks in Kazakhstan?
And before that, the FPV - drones from the same trucks near strategic aviation airfields?
They wiped out the infrastructure with their forelocks and didn't expect any retribution? Who are these naive children in the General Staff and other government institutions?
Living in a glass house, it's stupid to throw stones at passersby without thinking about the consequences...

[Rotmir_Venrus]

Who are these naive children? There is an answer. Watch the South Korean film "Moon." The answer is there.

[avia12005]

In modern Russia, personnel do not decide anything, because they are organically incapable.

[Neutral Neutral]

And the former Ukraine no longer needs peace because of victory and a "turning point in the war" or what?..

[your1970]

Quote: avia12005

In modern Russia, personnel do not decide anything, because they are organically incapable.

They were only organically capable of doing this strictly in the USSR - they skillfully flushed the country down the toilet

[Vladimir M]

It looks like we are also following the path of the USSR, only the consequences for Russia will be worse.

[avia12005]

I didn't say a word about the USSR. I still don't understand what you're getting at.

[your1970]

Quote: avia12005

I didn't say a word about the USSR. I still don't understand what you're getting at.

and who did you compare modern ones with?

Quote: avia12005

The personnel do not decide anything, because they are organically incapable.

- with the USA, with Germany, with Japan?
Or with the USSR?

[avia12005]

Try reading what I wrote. I wasn't making a comparison, I was stating a fact. Modern Russian personnel are incapable. Period.

[your1970]

Quote: avia12005

Try reading what was written. I wasn't making a comparison, I was stating a fact. The cadres of modern Russia are incapable. Period.

Try to read what was written. I stated Fact. The USSR's personnel are incapable. Period - there is no USSR.

[Rotmir_Venrus]

It is interesting to note that in the USSR almost all ministers were candidates and doctors of technical sciences, while in Russia...

[your1970]

Quote: Rotmir_Venrus

It is interesting to note that in the USSR almost all ministers were candidates and doctors of technical sciences, while in Russia...

Interesting, but there are some nuances.
See Soviet movie "Foam", 1979 - everything is described in detail there about "associate professors with candidates" and "outhouse residents".
Even the price is determined for them...

[Essex62]

I wonder when you'll choke on your anti-Soviet venom? All of your ilk have long since calmed down and are even building their own foundations on the Soviet legacy. You're pouring it on like a sewer pipe.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

I wonder when you'll choke on your anti-Soviet venom? All of your ilk have long since calmed down and are even building their own foundations on the Soviet legacy. You're pouring it on like a sewer pipe.

That is SOVIET(!!!!!) film 1979 (!!!!) with a bunch of stars - Anatoly Papanov
Lydia Smirnova
Leonid Kuravly
Vladimir Basov
Rolan Bykov
Larisa Udovichenko
Marianna Vertinskaya
Elena Sanaeva
Evgeny Steblov
Natalia Krachkovskaya
Anton Leshchinsky
Alla Pugacheva
Mikhail Boyarsky
Vera Kuznetsova
on Mikhalkov's book(!!!!!!!)- this is ""watering from a sewage tank"???
The Soviet authorities recognized the existence of such a fairly widespread phenomenon - and I water it???
Thanks to you, I understand why they started executing the "Old Bolshevik Leninists" almost immediately after the Revolution. It was impossible to talk to them, convince them, negotiate, or debate—they understood nothing.
I knew from documents, but I was convinced by your example of how it was then.
You called a Soviet film, and a Brezhnev one at that (not a perestroika one!!!), "anti-Soviet crap."
Well, whatever it is...

[Essex62]

What does cinema have to do with it? Cinema again.
No one was going to negotiate with a speculator, a bourgeois, or a swindler. It's against the principles of both those who executed and those who were executed. I'll admit, there were reasons for it. But it has nothing to do with an unwavering rejection of bourgeois ideology and the principles of building a society on the exploitation of the working class by a bunch of bloodsuckers. And of course, the peasantry—where would we be without them?
You're constantly trying to instill in your consciousness the inevitability of the process of your shirt sticking to your skin. But that's just bullshit. This process was inspired by that for decades and only took effect when both the authorities and society fell apart and stopped resisting.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

What does cinema have to do with it? Cinema again.

One candidate regularly writes to me: "Is this a lie and anti-Soviet propaganda? Did the KGB throw this out? Did you pick up a secret document???"
That's why I rely on EXCLUSIVELY to publicly available documents - which NOTICE cannot be anti-Soviet by virtue of their public accessibility in USSR.
The film based on the book (!!!) by Mikhalkov (the most official of officialdom!!!) in 1979 (!!!) is irrefutable historical evidence of the existence of purchased doctoral and candidate dissertations in the USSR.
That's why you and your-

Quote: Essex62

You'll choke on your anti-Soviet poison.

Quote: Essex62

You're watering it like you're using a sewer barrel.

- You look strange. To put it mildly...

[Essex62]

I don't give a damn about Mikhalkov or what the anti-llichants were up to. Well, I don't give a damn, that's all. Isn't it clear? They're always up to something, and they were the ones who started rocking the boat as soon as the opportunity presented itself in the form of enemies on the throne. They more or less dealt with the Khrushchev-era slush, but things didn't work out with the marked one. Much to my regret.
And take a stroll in the open air. Honestly, I'm sick of your fabrications and prevarications. And there's nothing strange about my messages. Just look at the forum members' reactions to your outbursts. Even those on the same platform as you.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

I don't give a damn about Mikhalkov or what the anti-llichants were up to. Well, I don't give a damn and that's it. Isn't it clear?

You are a Pol Pot supporter by conviction, nothing more and nothing less...

[Essex62]

Is this pourqoi? I have great respect for intellectuals, but I despise worthless anti-llichants. Should I remind you what many of the former said about the latter? V.I. Lenin, for example, or A.P. Chekhov.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

I have great respect for intellectuals, but I treat worthless anti-llichants with contempt.

Precisely because you divide people into castes, you will never be able to win for long. The victors will become bored, and the oppressed will quickly destroy them from within.
Two centuries of history in a row confirm this....

[Essex62]

In how In ancient slavery, feudalism, feudal capitalism, and industrial capitalism, there was division. But I don't remember anything about socialism. Priority to the working person, yes, that was true. Well, that's right, those who create the product get more perks. But everyone else didn't exist in the black body either. Otherwise, everyone is equal, no castes or classes.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

But I don’t remember anything about socialism.

Quote: Essex62

And so everyone is equal, no castes or classes.

You have the memory of a fish - you yourself wrote about the existence of castes in the post above -

Quote: Essex62

Remind me what many of the former said about the latter? V.I. Lenin

, Not????
And when the state with its apparatus of oppression speaks like that about any group of people - people like you with your straight-line thinking - quickly force them into a caste.
Then they really are very surprised...

Quote: Essex62

Well, that's right, whoever creates the product gets more perks.

That's why workers went to the south on vouchers in "-bre" and the shortage flew past them.
You can sing as much as you like about the "working class with perks" and I saw who had perks back then...

[Essex62]

Did I write about the existence of castes and classes in the USSR? Quote please.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Did I write about the existence of castes and classes in the USSR? Quote please.

Not yours?

Quote: Essex62

Prioritizing the workforce, yes, that was true. And rightly so, whoever creates the product that's why there are more perks.

- distributing perks is the creation of castes.
And by the way casteism was strictly fixed and secured by relevant regulatory documents.
For workers:
July 1941 - 800 grams of bread per day;
September 2 - 600 grams;
September 12 - 500 grams;
October 1 - 400 grams;
November 13 - 300 grams;
November 20 - 250 grams;
December 25 - 350 grams.
For dependents, employees, children under 12 years of age:
July 1941 - 400-600 grams;
October 1 - 200 grams;
November 13 - 150 grams;
November 20 - 125 grams;
December 25 - 200 grams.

They didn't know that the children were in caste of workers didn't enter?
And even then, the working class caste was forgiven a lot—for example, when we used to drown tractors while drunk every Easter. Not a single one was jailed...

[Essex62]

I was working class back then, with perks. My earnings were enough for perks. The whining of a worthless anti-llichant about borrowing a ten-ruble note until payday isn't accepted. Just like in the movie about Lukashin and company.

[VlK]

So the USSR squandered another stage of the scientific and technological revolution—a sixth-grade mechanic with golden hands couldn't invent a computer, couldn't machine one, and couldn't write software for it. And the lousy engineers weren't particularly eager to work their brains out for that kind of salary, or didn't even bother pursuing the profession, it turns out.

[Essex62]

The USSR didn't screw anything up. Everything was up to par. The only lag was in consumer goods, for obvious reasons. Well, there were a few other bottlenecks that the capitalist countries closed with integration. And we kept the entire nomenklatura on our own. Because we were working under constant sanctions. And by the way, no one cared about them from the lofty construction site of communism. Our science was developing normally. If it weren't for you, we would have achieved the necessary level of computerization.
And yet, an engineer is a hard worker, just as essential as a laborer. We're talking about worthless, idle slackers, who the humane Soviet government, nevertheless, didn't allow to die of hunger. On the contrary, it provided them with all the benefits equal to those of a product's manufacturer.

[VlK]

And yet, an engineer is a hard worker, just as essential as a laborer. We're talking about worthless, idle slackers, who the humane Soviet government, nevertheless, didn't allow to die of hunger. On the contrary, it provided them with all the benefits equal to those of a product's manufacturer.

So many went there simply to earn money, not to earn it, while many smart people didn't, due to the lack of prospects for any significant financial growth thanks to the Soviet state's policy as an alliance of 1. the proletariat + 2. the peasantry +, well, and somewhere in the background, the working intelligentsia that joined them. But it's always more difficult to work productively with your brain, due to human physiology.

[Essex62]

Really? Is it harder to use your brain than it is to tighten nuts, work a shift at a machine tool, or drive a diesel locomotive in -40°C? Physiologically speaking, right?
So, smart? What about duty and conscience? What about the socialist principle of "he who doesn't work, neither shall he eat"? Was that strictly observed under the temporary detention center? What happened to those super-smart people?

[VlK]

The truth is more complicated. It requires truly complex, intelligent thought, not just idle chatter. That's why it's not accessible to everyone, unlike... But there are always only a few of them; the rest of the engineering and technical staff do the same routine work, so I agree about engineers being the same hard workers.
A sense of duty and slogans alone won't get you very far, even in the medium term. Man is not the Holy Spirit; he needs constant material support; that's just the way our world works. The USSR, in fact, didn't go anywhere—it collapsed on its own as soon as the generation of revolutionary romantics and true believers in the New Path departed the scene.

[Essex62]

The working man was doing just fine in the Union, materially speaking. In the North, I sometimes earned more per month than the General Secretary. Incidentally, those who actually contributed their brains were also doing just fine. The salaries were high, and the bonuses and perks were above average. Who bothered those comrades who were just sitting around like that? So what's there to complain about? Those who didn't work too hard "ate" accordingly. Even in the late Soviet Union, the working man lived better. I know for a fact. Both engineers and workers had their share.

[VlK]

Even in the late Soviet Union, workers lived better. I know for sure. Both engineers and workers had their share. wink

That's the point - many capable and ambitious people, who would have been good, in the late Soviet Union didn't really want to become engineers for this very reason.

[Essex62]

What's the point? Generally speaking, capable and ambitious people will find their way anywhere. Engineers are also different, or rather, they worked in different conditions. In the P/Ya, there were decent salaries and perks unmatched by regular production. Well, what can you do? The Kremlin elders were terrified of a repeat of 41-43. They almost all suffered through that misery. So the country churned out armor by the tens of thousands instead of Zhiguli cars. And they only started thinking about jeans for the Olympics. They didn't even think about sausage factories near every district center where cows grazed. But what could be simpler? A distortion that greatly influenced the public's mentality. After all, man is not nourished by the Holy Spirit.

[Vyacheslav Boldyrev]

No air defense will protect you while the enemy is alive. Do we really need many more victims to understand this?
And the inaction of the authorities, who have no intention of defending the country by using a nuclear shield on which crazy amounts of money were spent, is simply astounding!
And all further conversations and discussions are meaningless.
Are you planning to capitulate and sell out Russia? Or fight to the last Russian and then import millions of foreigners?
It's time to announce the whole "cunning and ingenious" plan!

[Bumblebee_3]

Vyacheslav, the nuclear shield isn't designed to strike Kupyansk, Chernihiv, or Odesa. Will you ever understand that? Yes, a huge amount of money has been spent, but nuclear weapons serve other purposes!

[Essex62]

A nuclear shield, or more accurately a sword, can certainly be used, but a similar backlash will come. That's if you use it in the right place.
Using it on one's own cities is a crime. Rebellious territories will have to be liberated by conventional means.

[Unknown]

I recently wrote about how, in my opinion, our Supreme Commander-in-Chief's approach to the Central Military District has changed. I wrote about how Vladimir Putin no longer "approves," but rather leads and makes decisions jointly with the General Staff. I also wrote about the responsibility that falls on specific individuals in connection with such actions by the Commander-in-Chief.

Well...so, what next? What will be the actions of the Commander-in-Chief who is in charge? in the style of comrade Stalin? Raid on Gorky in 1943 - consequences;

The bombing of the country's largest industrial center provoked an immediate reaction from the highest echelons of power. On June 5, Stalin personally wrote State Defense Committee Resolution No. 3524, "On the Air Defense of Gorky."[12] A commission was appointed to investigate the reasons for the Gorky Corps Air Defense District's failure to fulfill its missions. The commission consisted of NKVD Chief L. P. Beria, NKGB Chief V. N. Merkulov, Secretary of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) A. S. Shcherbakov, Chairman of the Moscow City Council V. P. Pronin, and the commander of the country's air defense forces M. S. Gromadin. Based on the commission's findings, the district's air defense commander, Major General A. A. Osipov, was dismissed and demoted. A. M. Lifshits, the director of the automobile plant, was also dismissed (his position was taken by I. K. Loskutov).

Where it can be seen now Something like that? Yeah, and what about the 12-chairs line, "Building a tram isn't like buying a donkey." "It's not a hat for Senka." "The army is a mirror of the society we live in."

[paul3390]

Someone like Comrade Stalin has to be earned. Getting him for free won't do.

[north 2]

As reported, the Omsk Refinery was the tenth of Russia's major and largest refineries to be hit. Not tenth in capacity, but simply tenth on a list of ten. I'll repeat what I said earlier, but while the strikes on the first two main refineries didn't radically alter the air defenses of Russia's other eight major refineries (and Russia's enemy intelligence sees this both from space and from their agents on the ground), Ukrainian drones struck the third, then the fourth, then the fifth, then the sixth, then the seventh, then the eighth, then the ninth refinery in the lineup of these most powerful Russian refineries. The next number after nine is ten, so they struck the last one—the tenth one—on that list. If after the first or second strike there was no itch for so long to radically and effectively change the air defense to protect strategically important oil refineries, then this cannot be called anything other than sabotage during a war!
How does the author of the article resemble Solovyov in its content? At the beginning of the article, the author complains that terrorists wouldn't be able to travel far from Ukraine to Omsk to deliver weapons to attack the Omsk Oil Refinery. Incidentally, it's also too far from Ukraine to Ust-Luga to attack the port there. And along the way, both to Ust-Luga and to Omsk, there are numerous Russian air defense systems in the regions. But next to Ust-Luga there are Baltic "tigers," and next to Omsk there are Asian steppe batyrs. Moreover, both of them want Russia's demise so that they too could inherit the primordial Russian land with its riches. So, while Solovyov often hints at the possible direct intervention of these Baltic "tigers" in Ukraine's strikes on Ust-Luga, you won't hear even a hint from Solovyov about the possible participation of Asian steppe batyrs in strikes on the Omsk Oil Refinery. It's a clear ostrich disease, both in Solovyov and in the author of this article, not to raise a public discussion of the topic: "Were UAVs launched at the Omsk Oil Refinery from the territory of a neighboring country, which is not 2500 km from Omsk, but only 100 km?" "What if Russians living near the border where these Asian steppe warriors live tell Solovyov and the author of this article about the porous border and about these Asian steppe warriors spewing hatred toward Russia and ready to help Russia's enemies? Now, if all this combines with the aforementioned obvious sabotage during the current war, then things become very serious, alarming, and it's unclear how they can be overcome..."

[NORA 7777]

Have you ever tried guarding, say, your own country outhouse, with a log in hand? Try it, you'll gain valuable personal experience, and then, having reflected on it, you can give advice. Look for enemies and saboteurs—a favorite pastime of all scoundrels, by the way.

[cast iron]

Have you ever tried being silent and thinking with your head? It's a very useful habit that prevents you from spouting nonsense by writing letters.

[akarfoxhound]

The result of the MO "optimizers" is a full spoon.
Under the Soviet Union, every regional city and strategic location (Kansk, for example), in addition to ground-based air defense forces, had a separate air defense fighter regiment—every one! And Omsk was no exception. Then came the "pluralism of opinion," "long live America," and "our Western partners."
Incidentally, a significant portion of the air defense forces was decimated under the "cunning grandmaster of international politics," like the 180th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment, which covered St. Petersburg until 2002. Now St. Petersburg is covered, bare-assed. The second wave of air defense destruction is under the reign of Tolib Taburetkin, who is still alive and flushed with the joy of his personal well-being.
And who are we looking for to blame for the current holey sky?
P.S. By the way, Rust was escorted from the very border, by the same 180th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment (Gromovo), then they transferred him to Khotilovo, then they transferred him... and the pilots in the air from the DS persistently requested the command post to attack the target, but the response was silence. Our top brass, remembering the inadequate analysis of the Boeing shot down near Sakhalin, were squirming in their decision, afraid of getting another blow to the head from the Kremlin.
The previous speakers have already said everything about the fish and the head.

[your1970]

Quote: akarfoxhound

Under the Union each regional cityand a strategic object (Kansk, for example), in addition to ground air defense forces, had a separate air defense fighter regiment - each!

That is, in the USSR there were at least 200 (about 160 regional centers in the USSR + important facilities) air defense fighter regiments???
I am tormented by vague doubts...

[Egg]

Quote: akarfoxhound

Under the Soviet Union, every regional city and strategic facility (Kansk, for example), in addition to ground-based air defense forces, had a separate air defense fighter regiment – ​​every one!

There was also a layered air defense system protecting every major industrial center. I served in one myself in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
And in EVERY school, hospital or large public building, a bomb shelter was built and equipped underneath it.
And now? It's not effective... and too expensive, more expensive than people's lives.

[osp]

And what about the 177th regiment in Lodeynoye Pole, which was reduced under Serdyukov, haven't you forgotten?

[Alexey Koshkarov]

Back at the start of the Central Military District, I said that if we didn't change the tactics and strategy for this operation, the entire central part of Russia would be reduced to smoking ruins, just like after the end of the Great Patriotic War. Almost five years have passed since then.

[trasher2000]

No one will answer. The question is purely rhetorical. Like the classics' "Who's to blame?" and "What's to be done?" The phrase "I understand perfectly well how important cities in border regions are" made me laugh quite a bit. I remember how they ordered the creation of a "buffer zone" in Belgorod. Come and see...

[BAI]

Who will be responsible for the Omsk Oil Refinery?

A very popular and well-known personality will answer: NOBODY

[alexoff]

You made too many mistakes in the word "taxpayers"!

[NORA 7777]

And that the removal of those generals and marshals for Rust prevented the liquidation of the USSR in any way? No, on the contrary, it helped, and how! It's too late to drink Borjomi, my friend. It's time for a mud bath. It won't help, but you'll get used to the soil.

[Million]

Who will be responsible for the Omsk Oil Refinery?

Nobody will answer.
Although, they can find a scapegoat from the lower echelons.

[avia12005]

They won't find it. That's not our method. We're not Stalinists.

[Kuziming]

And what optimism there was at the very beginning. "So what are these fifty shells, so what are these hundred missiles..."
They hoped to take it by quantity...

[Sergey Novikov_3]

No... It's different... There was no time to react to the attack. There was no flight path 2000 km over Russian territory. The attack on the Omsk oil refinery was carried out from Kazakhstan. From its northernmost part. Why the SVR is silent, I also don't understand... Maybe there's not enough evidence?

[Sergey Novikov_3]

That's precisely why they (the drones) burst into Omsk completely unexpectedly. Although, this doesn't absolve us of responsibility for the unresolved air defense tasks. In general, as a former manager, I can responsibly declare: something needs to be done.

[Monster_Fat]

Against this backdrop, the statements by Siluanov and some others in the State Duma that large private enterprises can and should protect themselves are particularly interesting... What's that? Brilliant. A drowning man's own business is his own.

[Gardamir]

It's part of the ideology. During COVID, it was self-isolation. With the start of the Second World War, it was self-mobilization. Now, with the gasoline shortage, it's self-restraint. So, we do everything ourselves. They have nothing to do with it.

[Ucharal83]

Who can guarantee that among the missiles with conventional explosives there will be missiles with nuclear warheads, which will also be penetrated by air defense systems?

[Down]

Why are you so hung up on air defense? It didn't exist even during the Soviet era. Individual infiltrations could be tracked and shot down, but a massive air strike—nothing. Nobody hid it, saying a nuclear war would destroy both sides. Layered air defense existed only around Moscow; the rest was just a testing ground.

[your1970]

Quote: Ucharal83

Who can guarantee that among the missiles with conventional explosives there will be missiles with nuclear warheads, which will also be penetrated by air defense systems?

And who guaranteed that Rust wasn't carrying nuclear/chemical/biological weapons with him, considering that he was lost for 3 hours?

[Alexander X]

Or maybe the refinery owners benefit from being burned? Otherwise, how can we explain why the refineries closest to the attack aren't protected by even basic networks? At least the most vulnerable and expensive components would have been protected. A drone isn't a heavy transport, and in a network located far from the facility, it would, if not get entangled, at least deflect a direct hit. There aren't even basic protective walls made of concrete blocks or steel and mesh structures. What could be simpler than putting up some blocks... And the refinery owners certainly have more money than a village grandmother who can't fix a fallen fence. At least they would have protected something. Many things could have been done for protection without creating armed groups. From airships and balloons raising protective nets to smoke generators obscuring the view when a drone threat is declared...

[your1970]

Quote: Alexander X

There are not even basic protective walls made of concrete blocks or steel and mesh structures. What could be simpler than installing a block?и

Height of the distillation column from 64 to 80 meters - really, what could be simpler than putting up some blocks?

[Alexander X]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Alexander X

There are not even basic protective walls made of concrete blocks or steel and mesh structures. What could be simpler than installing a block?и

Height of the distillation column from 64 to 80 meters - really, what could be simpler than putting up some blocks?

But what if you think before you write? During WWII, balloons were launched to heights and higher.
I wrote about balloons above, as an example... You probably didn't notice... It happens.

[your1970]

Quote: Alexander X

What if you think before you write?

You should have done this before writing about concrete fencing blocks for high-rise buildings.

[Down]

Quote: your1970

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

Yes, all of thinking and sensible Russia is already tired. I see only one way out of this situation... Someone needs to retire before it all ends in the basement of the Ipatiev House.

Okay, let's imagine that he left.
A new one has arrived, even a communist (a real one)
Let's say they shot the top brass of the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense, and crushed the oligarchs with an asphalt roller on Red Square.
Introduced martial law.
А further what?
Hit TNW at platoon strongpoints? What if tomorrow they send 155mm TNW shells in response, which the Lyuty will drag to any Oil refineries or cities?
Hit NATO with nuclear weapons? It'll be fine if they're just going to whine, but what if they don't?
Stop trading with the enemy? And how are we going to pay the soldiers on LBS? The oligarchs' money will run out in a month... So, a war tax.
And gasoline won't fall from the sky.
The goal of any counterintelligence and censorship is to prevent the free exchange of information - they will turn off cellular communications and the Internet (the owners have already been crushed) on Red Square, see above).
And then what?
Here are 4 reasons for dissatisfaction NEW leader of the country-population

What are your proposals for the next steps of the new government (which completely satisfies you)?

What's next? The bottom isn't in yet. The people will stir or wake up when there's nothing left to eat, and that's a real possibility. When the government starts cracking down on spontaneous uprisings, underground parties or associations will emerge, and they'll have leaders. If one of them proves to be a real figure, we'll be lucky enough to be able to give the people creative freedom and the necessary assistance. There's plenty of talent among the people, but the current government doesn't need it and sees it as dangerous. As for a true communist or any other figure capable of action, such people can only be underground activists. The voluntarily ruling elite won't tolerate anyone. Naturally, some may already exist, but it's too early; the conditions aren't right.

[your1970]

Quote from Etwas

When there's nothing left to eat, and such a scenario is possible. When the authorities start shooting at spontaneous riots.

At that moment, the US will seize nuclear weapons from the crumbling Russian Federation—and that will be the end of the country. No matter who comes to power...

[alex_410]

Right on target!!!"!!!! I have a strong association that we are living at the end of times. Maybe not for everyone, but for us - definitely.

[Down]

Quote: trasher2000

No one will answer. The question is purely rhetorical. Like the classics' "Who's to blame?" and "What's to be done?" The phrase "I understand perfectly well how important cities in border regions are" made me laugh quite a bit. I remember how they ordered the creation of a "buffer zone" in Belgorod. Come and see...

These are stupid questions and naturally no one will answer you because there is no such answer, the permanent government will not let anyone get close, and you are not yet ready to put pressure on it, as a result we have what we have.

[Down]

Quote: Alexander X

Or maybe the refinery owners benefit from being burned? Otherwise, how can we explain why the refineries closest to the attack aren't protected by even basic networks? At least the most vulnerable and expensive components would have been protected. A drone isn't a heavy transport, and in a network located far from the facility, it would, if not get entangled, at least deflect a direct hit. There aren't even basic protective walls made of concrete blocks or steel and mesh structures. What could be simpler than putting up some blocks... And the refinery owners certainly have more money than a village grandmother who can't fix a fallen fence. At least they would have protected something. Many things could have been done for protection without creating armed groups. From airships and balloons raising protective nets to smoke generators obscuring the view when a drone threat is declared...

Dear sir, use your head, whoever owns the factories is an oligarch, and he has enough for his children and grandchildren to last for hundreds of years, while the serfs will build a new factory for pennies.
You're talking about blocks. There are damaged column models online, but you're too lazy to look up their heights? Are you trying to build the Great Pyramid of Giza?

[Damask]

Until this happens with UAVs in Europe, England and the USA, this will not stop in Russia.

[AlexSam]

I remained silent for a long time, aware that VO and Reporter were being monitored by both the fascists (I've had no other word for one people since the mid-80s, when fate decreed that I lived among them for several years) and the British and Americans, but Staver's article spurred me on... Recently, three missiles landed in a city of over a million people not far from Moscow, with a similar cluster of factories vital to the country and its military-industrial complex. Six people died (this was on a weekday, in the middle of a work shift, three days of mourning declared by the mayor, but God is the judge of power). I saw these three missiles on their final leg of their route, and had time to think they were probably headed for dear Muscovites, but after the explosions, my hair stood on end. I didn't even consider the factory as a target; I thought of an educational institution a few hundred meters away. And I thought about many other things... The educational institution where military reformers (analogous to medical, educational, aircraft manufacturing, industrial, and many other institutions, only more extreme) herded cadets and teachers from half the country is completely unprotected. Otherwise, the missiles would never have reached the factory. Perhaps writing, "Thank God it was to a factory and not an educational institution," is absurd, and I apologize to the families and friends of those who did, but what can you do if the State, in its fifth year of war, continues to commit the most savage acts, if no one in the State is truly responsible for anything, if the protection of strategic facilities is no longer the State's problem, but the owners of those facilities? But the missiles didn't reach the 12000 (according to Google) cadets, and the Russian Armed Forces didn't lose new specialists for the next few years. But that was on that cursed day. The Almighty warded off some, but not others. And what about tomorrow? And who owns facilities like the university I mentioned above? And who will protect the boys from all over the country and from half the countries in the world who also study there?

[alex_410]

Soon, EVERYONE will turn their back on us. If we can't defend ourselves and put the enemy in their place, everyone will gradually begin to distance themselves from us. However, it has already begun. Only the STRONG are friends. The weak only whine, express concern, and draw red lines. I'm 66 years old. I never thought I'd live to see my country brought to such disgrace, where everyone and their dog walks all over it.

[Down]

Quote: bug120560

Sergey, forgive me, but all your above arguments are the product of your own sick imagination. If we examine the problems systematically, without foolish extremism, I think even a schoolchild would understand what needs to be done and how to achieve the most effective results. An example? Hundreds of drones are flying deep into our rear, containing nothing but bodies and submunitions manufactured by the 404th. What would it take to completely stop or at least reduce the number of these flights? It's very simple – massive strikes against strategic supply routes from the West. How? Nothing is impossible either. The Biskid Tunnel, which carries 75% of Ukraine's rail traffic and is located in a relatively sparsely populated region of the Carpathians, is being targeted (for example, by the Oreshnik missile) with sufficient force to completely destroy it, if necessary using a tactical nuclear warhead. The railway depots where train bogies are changed (of which there are only eight in Ukraine) are being targeted, and road border crossing points are being attacked with conventional ballistic missiles. Similar strikes are being launched against the berths of the Danube ports, against the berths of the Black Sea ports—I think the Black Sea Fleet's Varshavyanka missile ships could easily have carried out strikes even with their torpedoes. And all this is not instead of, but in addition to, the strikes currently being carried out. And for all this to become a reality, there is no need to steamroll anyone into the cobblestones of Red Square; what is needed is the very "smallest thing"—a nationally oriented government.

It's a beautiful piece of writing. If there's no power-oriented approach, then there's nothing else. So just write that there's no way out right now, and that's it.

[alex_410]

In addition, what are our Black Sea Fleet submarines doing? Maybe they can negotiate with the aliens to blockade the port of Odessa.

[Down]

Quote: paul3390

Someone like Comrade Stalin has to be earned. Getting him for free won't do.

That's true, everyone would be stuck working in camps, no one would even think about relaxing in the south, the borders would be closed, the ultimate dream wouldn't be a car, but at best a motorcycle. And there would be no internet; that wouldn't be life, it would be a dream.

[Igor K_2]

In fact, the majority of enterprises important to our military-industrial complex are concentrated in the European part of the country. That is, the more modern production facilities important for high-tech weapons. In the Trans-Urals, there are actually only a few remnants of the Soviet Union that were long ago dismantled, just the same old, full-cycle enterprises...

[Evgeny_Sviridenko]

I especially liked this: "Grab your superiors, designers, and engineers by the balls." So, in the event of systemic collapse, this is a downright life hack, in the author's opinion. He also forgot to mention that engineers and designers should be given credit cards with large amounts of money, so they'd have the money to buy the necessary equipment. What a modest move. He should have immediately suggested setting up sharashkas. With all the necessary conditions, including vices for the balls...

[scary]

But in general, it's a collapse. The areas are vast, you'd need enough Mobile Task Forces (MTFs) for an entire army. How many crews would be needed, even just for the Urals? To cover the entire area. They'll never cover it. Chadayev once mentioned a couple of times this year that Russia needs to go on the defensive. That's precisely what's needed to saturate the air defense rear. These resources aren't just manpower, but also the necessary equipment. Vehicles will be needed for machine guns and drone launches. Machine guns and drones themselves, command and control systems, and surveillance systems. Production of Pantsir missiles and other missile systems will need to be ramped up. There are so many facilities to protect that Zelenskyy could point at a map with his finger blindfolded and be sure to hit some important one. There's no way to figure out what they're going to bomb today. Building such a system would take months. And that's just the beginning. And this system will be endlessly improving. Two months of this war have passed, and nothing has changed. Perhaps something is being done, but so much needs to be done that we may not see the first results this year.

[alexoff]

There's this thing called flying air defense, called fighter jets. They say they can see far and cover vast expanses. Well, that's if they're properly armed. If you put it mildly, aircraft could carry dozens of Pantsir missiles, and then modify them for cannon fire. Of course, the missiles would need significant refinement and a fire control system, but it could have been done in four years. How could they possibly make some cheap missile for MANPADS, which can also be launched from the air? Drones are a simple target: they don't fire decoys, they maneuver poorly, and they fly for hours. And you could launch anti-aircraft drones from crop dusters.
Or can we do it like we do – do nothing, hope that it will resolve itself, that Trump will buy into the 15 trillion dollar fairy tales, and not just decide to simply squeeze this wealth out of the people deceived by the bully...

[ism_ek]

Author, why post an ancient picture from an Azerbaijani website?

[AlexSam]

Quote: engy

It will take months to build such a system.

And if nothing is done, then these months won't have to be spent, nor will any money from the national budget. But here's the picture we're getting: we've been clearly shown that the entire country's oil refineries are completely unprotected. I assume hydroelectric power plants, thermal power plants, and combined heat and power plants are similarly protected. Perhaps nuclear power plants are protected somehow. But how are oil and gas pipelines, compressor and distribution stations protected? What about power lines, transformer and distribution substations? And all this is clearly visible and now known to the CIA, MI6, and the Pentagon. To plunge Russia back into the Stone Age, NATO would only need that same global disarming strike; even conventional weapons would suffice. And amid the ruins of this vast country, the beautiful eternal city of Moscow will stand—the very same new Russia that the current rulers, comrades of the rulers of the 1990s, spent 35 years building, sparing no effort.

[scary]

Until such a blow occurs, it would be prudent to do something.

[AlexSam]

He took action. He signed a decree (or whatever it was he signed), according to which the sheriff is no longer concerned with the Indians' problems.

[alexoff]

How are oil and gas pipelines, compressor stations and distribution stations protected?

Just the other day, Gazprom announced that an attack on a compressor station on the gas pipeline to Turkey had been successfully repelled. But the attacks on the Moscow Oil Refinery and Omsk Oil Refinery were not repelled, even though they also belong to Gazprom.

[Roman_Vasilyevich]

Who will be responsible for the Omsk Oil Refinery?

A criminal case has been opened, there are suspects, a ruling on bringing charges will soon be issued, and then a ruling on placing them into custody is just around the corner...
So don't worry, everything is going according to plan.
Bastrykin knows his stuff...

[16112014nk]

The Russian military, by conducting this Strange Military Operation, is showing the whole world how not to fight.
Iran, on the contrary, shows how to fight.

[Varyazhko]

Yes. As Verkhovyny said: "We were just getting started!"
So what will happen when we start? Will the Ukrainian Armed Forces and NATO start wreaking havoc on kindergartens, hospitals, and schools around the clock, or will they put everyone on bread and water rationing?

[roosei]

Vladimir Putin no longer “approves,” but leads and makes decisions jointly with the General Staff.

And what did that accomplish? Did Kyiv immediately throw in the towel?

[vadivm59]

I searched online to find out how many kilometers it is from Omsk to my city. It turns out it's only 825 as the crow flies. And we have several complex businesses in our city too. So what? Run and hide, or give up (screw it all...) and keep working. Wow, they fought hard! Damn commanders and strategists!

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: Not the fighter

1. On foreign trade. We have a surplus, meaning we sell more than we buy, and the rest goes into "portfolio investments." And that's the official version; don't forget about the "gray schemes" of capital export.
2. North Korea is an example for us. Its population is smaller than ours, it's under sanctions, but they were able to join the ground forces, missiles, nuclear weapons, and the navy. But we were able to join cruiser-class yachts.
P.S. I read somewhere online that a Norilsk Nickel employee works 40 minutes a shift for themselves and the rest of the time for the boss. I don't know how true that is.

A Russian and a Japanese man meet
The Japanese says:
"We have an eight-hour workday. I work two hours for myself, two hours for the boss, and four hours for the Emperor."
Russian answers:
"We also have an eight-hour workday. I work for myself for two hours. We don't have bosses. And why the hell should I work for the Japanese Emperor?"
This is an old joke from the Soviet era.

[Nikolai]

What a picture! I'm from Omsk. There was barely a smoke there, but they quickly put it out. The fuss about that gasoline was another matter; everyone was going crazy. The bosses, as always, turned out to be unprepared.

[acetophenone]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Heh heh...on VO, smart forum members were already saying a couple of years ago that there would be UAV and missile strikes by the enemy deep in the Russian rear.

And even more intelligent and patriotic forum members who are statists responded to them that there is no point in sitting on the couch and that the Commander-in-Chief and the General Staff know better!

[acetophenone]

Quote: ism_ek

Author, why post an ancient picture from an Azerbaijani website?

But the "visual search" result doesn't want to open:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2006835/russia-fire-lukoil-nizhny-novgorod-vladimir-putin
Someone is protecting us from disturbing information. Either the English. Or RoskomPozor.
And how is it here? Azerbaijanis they lit up - it's not clear...

[salawat1980]

When will firing positions with anti-aircraft guns, armored personnel carriers, and armored reconnaissance vehicles equipped with servo drives and controlled by acoustic sensors appear around the oil refinery? Anti-aircraft guns from World War II automatically aimed at targets. A modern FPGA can extract the angles and distances to targets from the noise from four microphones. At the firing position, a single-board computer can calculate elevation and azimuth, as well as adjust for range (flatness) and lead.

[Victor Alien]

When cops are afraid to shoot knife-wielding brawlers, let alone the military, the answer is no. While the command in the Baltics understood what was happening before June 22nd, in Moscow they didn't. That's why a sergeant in the US has more options on the battlefield than our captains and majors. Anything that creeps past checkpoints on the ground should be shot at without thinking. The same applies in the air and at sea. The US is two oceans away—their reconnaissance aircraft in the Black Sea are a legitimate target 100 kilometers from our borders. Or invite the Houthis to join the mission—they know a thing or two about shooting at crazy people, both in the air and at sea. We also have private aviation—we can also hang the necessary equipment or visually attract them to patrols. There are even those who enjoy hot air balloons—they have something to mark there, too. Hang small radars or sound detectors underneath them, and stretch a chain over a reasonable distance. Our labor regulations are stricter than in other countries, but few people want to comply. That's why they smuggle anything into our prisons and sneak anything across our borders. The border, in general, needs a purely automated system that shoots down everything within 10 kilometers. Otherwise, during training exercises, people even go to our well-known local training grounds to pick mushrooms and berries. That's precisely why we had a 2% casualty rate during military exercises—even the USSR couldn't eradicate sloppiness. At least, that's what my father used to say about a 2% casualty rate during training exercises. He'd been to a training ground in Mongolia many times. He served in a cadre tank unit as a ZIL-157 driver in 1976-1978. During winter exercises, the percentage of trucks in his company that went on the march was higher than in a regular combat unit. And just like they taught us, 60 tanks are only good for 15 battles, and if you're up against only two helicopters behind a hill... And now you want tank spearheads during a live war. And I wonder—can't our units outside the front be equipped with reconnaissance drones to monitor the skies?! Or do we all just fly to the front?!

[Alexander]

What's the problem with preventing this?

[Edvid]

The simplest and cheapest defense against aerial drones can be created quickly, much faster than producing a single Pantsir missile system, which costs over a billion rubles without its missiles. There still won't be enough Pantsir missiles for everyone. For protection, aerial mining of the approaches to the facilities can be used. For this, inflatable balloons, spheres, and larger shells can be used. Barrage fields of tethered balloons with explosive charges detonating on sound or on an operator signal can be placed at various altitudes. If charges are in short supply, the balloons can be filled with a mixture of detonating gases: hydrogen and oxygen (or air); natural methane and oxygen (or air). A chip is inserted into the shell, initiating detonation on the sound of a drone or on an operator signal. Again, this was long overdue and could have been done.

[Alexander]

Drones with AI can't handle this, and they'll bypass all obstacles! The best option is automated small-caliber guns combined into clusters and controlled automatically or by an operator from a secure location.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Edvid

For protection, aerial mining of approaches to targets can be used. For this purpose, inflatable balloons, spheres, and larger shells can be used. Barrage fields of tethered balloons with explosive charges detonating on sound or on an operator signal can be placed at various heights.

So, should we mine our own facilities to make it easier to blow them up?

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: Vladimir M

This isn't just expensive, it's also unfeasible under current conditions. It'll just go down the drain.
We first need to "air out" the stench of the "spirit of Anchorage" and begin responding to our "dear, respected partners," as Iran does. But it seems this path is "closed" for our leaders.

Hey, we'll go down the drain when the enemy blows down all our pipes.
Gasoline is just the beginning,
Closer to autumn they will take up gas, heat and light, and then the queues at the gas stations will seem like small potatoes.

[Andrey Andreev_2]

I will answer for the ONPZ - the country is in chaos and the state is not fulfilling its primary function of protecting its citizens!

[Plowman]

Such repeated and long-range enemy drone overflights speaks to only one thing: we lack a detection and engagement system. What were our ministers and the entire Ministry of Defense doing then? They were just sitting there twiddling their thumbs. And now they're spending billions of rubles on upgrades, but they can't do it yet. ... During this time, no one has been fired or punished.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: ASSAD1

Solovyov, "toothy"!? He's toothy where and on whomever he can. He called Bronia a slut and immediately apologized, but what about Goodvin and Ernst? Can they? And I don't get it about the Supreme Command Council; I think he made the same request and suggestion at the last few meetings. I never heard the word "I order a specific official." And when did we switch to "adult mode," are we working like adults?

What kind of Solovyov is he?
Real surname is Shapiro.
In the NKVD, before Stalin’s just purges, 70% had such surnames.

[Vladislav Markov_2]

After the oil refineries, I sense they'll start hitting the thermal power plants and energy sector. Is anyone doing anything in advance? Of course not.

[Idle_piston]

[QuoteWho will be responsible for the Omsk Oil Refinery?] [/ Quote]
What responsibility? The military-political leadership is operating in a "pretend nothing's happening and wait for it to resolve itself" mode.

[Alexander]

In response, liquidate all oil refineries in Ukraine and destroy all pipelines!

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Ed Mack

The 155 richest Russians have a net worth of approximately $600 billion. That's official. Unofficially, it's probably several times higher. The Northeast Military District (SVO) has 700,000 troops. We'll round it up to the nearest million.
$600,000,000,000 is 600,000,000,000 rubles, which for 1,000,000 people comes out to 60,000,000 rubles per person, 300,000 rubles per month for at least 200 months. There are 12 months in a year, so that's enough for 20 years. And you say a month.
What did you think?
If we were to conduct an audit of the country, the stolen wealth would likely be enough to rebuild two more Russias. The labor force is inexpensive, and everyone believes in their country.

You were hasty in dividing the capital of Israeli citizens (70% of the list of ghoul-billionaires).
One sidelong glance at their money, and you will be accused of being one of the organizers of pogroms in Poland and the Holocaust!
Then they will send a cleanup team (colleagues from MOSSAD).
These guys don't joke around, they cut out not only the target, but the entire family, right down to the nephews.
Brzezinski wrote: "Are you sure that this is your elite?"
Remember at your leisure whose granddaughters have an Israeli teudat zeut (residence permit)?
How many of "our" deputy prime ministers have fled to Israel since February 2022?
Exactly!

[pogis]

Imagine not using the internet and getting all your information from television. How can the only leader in the world who doesn't use the internet make objective decisions in the 21st century? Nonsense!

[alex_410]

It seems so, judging by the actions.

[tehnix]

Who will be responsible for the Omsk Oil Refinery?

What, do you need blood or something? Over time, they'll build up their air defenses, and helicopters will be brought in to provide cover. Right now, it seems, they lack the resources. The country's territory is very vast.

[seacap]

With Rust, things aren't so simple, and on the surface, there's only a "final curtain," as, indeed, has been almost everything since the late 80s. Even the meager scraps of information available raise legitimate questions. Where is the Soviet secret map of the northwest air defense region, which the "combine operator" requested before his visit to Thatcher but never returned on the eve of the ill-fated overflight? Why was it impossible to receive the command "from the very top" to destroy the aerial target within 15 minutes? Without this, no commander in the district had the right to open fire on a civilian aerial target. The general consensus in the military is that all of this, taken together, and events in subsequent years confirm this, is part of a Western intelligence agency plan to destroy the USSR. A state crime, a betrayal by the country's leadership, has occurred. As a Marshal and a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, Sokolov could not allow the destruction of the USSR Armed Forces and the state he dedicated his life to defending. Back then, the army and its command were a significant and principled force defending the state, preventing a clique of hucksters, philistines, and traitors from destroying the nation. This provocation removed this obstacle, simultaneously solving another critical problem: the beginning of the destruction of the air defense system, which, along with nuclear weapons, virtually nullified any air defense aggression. This was all planned, direct sabotage by the country's leaders, part of their plan to destroy the USSR. We are reaping the fruits of that and subsequent reforms to destroy the air defense system and the armed forces as a whole, to the delight of our enemies, which also fits into the next stage of plans to surrender the country. This is evidenced by the refusal to recognize and condemn state crimes since the late 80s, and the absence of any legal assessment, only the perpetuation of theft (so-called privatization) by legislators in order to avoid accountability. If businesses are being asked to make do as best they can, while the state shirks its responsibilities, then this speaks volumes about the helplessness and incompetence of the hucksters and profiteers of the 90s, people without honor or conscience who are not about statehood, progress, or development, but only and exclusively about money.

[Russian jacket]

No one knows. Because we'll have to admit the failure of the established vertical.

[Umptek]

For the adepts, "they came from the outskirts along the folds of the terrain and river beds."
The FSB thwarted a drone strike on targets in the Amur and Cheta regions:
"...As a result of the measures taken, the FSB received advance information regarding the deployment by Ukrainian special services of FPV drones equipped with warheads and mobile ground control stations in containers on airplane-type unmanned aerial vehicles and balloons into the Bryansk region to prepare for large-scale terrorist attacks at military airfields in the Amur and Chelyabinsk regions."
True, we are talking about quadcopters here and not aircraft-type ones, but there is no doubt that it is possible to supply containers with "constructors" for assembling UAVs and aircraft-type ones in the required location.

[Gans1234]

If there are no responsible parties, there are no guilty parties.
That's the whole answer.
And if there is no responsibility, there are no actions.
Everything else is nonsense/water.
They are fighting. And we are just chattering without initiative or action.

[odisey3000]

It's all just talk, the eternal Russian question of who's to blame and what to do. The war is already in its fifth year. All the analysts in the press were buzzing about it six months ago. Ukrainians In the summer, they will ruin our citizens' holidays, and even then, six months ago, active work began Ukrainians Regarding Russian oil refineries. No one in the government apparatus or law enforcement agencies had any idea about this. I don't even want to focus on the fact that oil refineries should somehow be protected from drone strikes. Who is to blame? First and foremost, the government, represented by the officials responsible for this piece of work—look at what Mr. Novak is reporting to the president. Then, the owners of the oil refineries—why has nothing been done in terms of protection and defense in five years? And, of course, local authorities, represented by governors, mayors, and presidential representatives in the districts. It's time for the president to start getting rid of the bureaucratic deadwood. Our officials are so fearless, they fear nothing and no one; it even seems as if our president can no longer command them. And now, gentlemen—comrades, imagine that Ukrainians They'll take our thermal power plants seriously this winter. It will be a complete disaster for all of us. Winters in Russia are cold, after all, and what will we, ordinary citizens, do then? We'll have to start cooking our stoves and stocking up on firewood right now. We've come to this. What will the government tell us then?

[alex_410]

You are 1000% right. What kind of task is this from the president, "I ask you to do this and that?" He set the task, set the deadline, and assigned responsibility for the results. As if he served in a boarding school for noblewomen, not the KGB. Vladimir Vladimirovich! Wake up! Do you want to repeat the mistakes of Nicholas II? The West will not spare you (or us, for that matter). The fate of Gaddafi and Hussein is not for you. They will do something far more terrible and sophisticated. You are too strong and iconic an enemy for them. They don't hide the fact that by 2030 they will be ready for war with us. You made a fatal mistake. I won't judge, but your advisers are lousy. Since February 24, 2022, we have become an AGGRESSOR in the eyes of world public opinion, with all the ensuing consequences. What happened in South Ossetia? Saakashvili struck first, we sent in troops. The West initially screamed—the Russians attacked. And then they shut up. Recognize the DPR and LPR, sign a military assistance agreement, concentrate troops (not 170,000, but much, much more) right on the border, and strike second, thereby preventing us from being called the aggressors. I didn't make these mistakes. You—the President, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. It is in your power and authority (for now) to fix everything. Nicholas II's softness led to the collapse of the Empire, civil war, and intervention. Don't repeat his mistakes. The interventionists are already ready. They are waiting for the right moment. In sports terms, they are at the starting line. You don't particularly (to put it mildly) sympathize with Karaganov. And he is right in many ways, unlike your advisers, who led you and us into this mess (I tried to find a synonym, alas). Only FEAR will stop the West. Remind THEM what nuclear weapons are. Test a GOOD charge on Novaya Zemlya. Believe me, this will cool them down instantly. Although... Why am I typing on the keyboard? I'm far from God, and even further from the President. It's a great pity that the President doesn't know the real state of affairs and the situation. I read about it back in the 70s (I can't remember now). Where), that Peter the Great dressed in rags, went to the tavern and socialized with ordinary peasants. And therefore, he was aware of reality, and not the pretty picture of the boyars. Maybe it's a fairy tale (considering his conspicuous height). But! I wish the fairy tale would come true.

[Frank Muller]

Are you sure the "Russian commander-in-chief" will deign to read your heartfelt address? Well, hope, hope, and hope some more. Hope, as they say, is good for young men, but not for every politician with their cynical and cold calculations.

[commander]

Another strategy tip. You definitely need to be dressed in rags, with a hat on your head and a bucket around your neck to collect alms.

[Berg berg]

The owner should be held accountable; if he doesn't protect them, he'll be deprived of their property. Others will be smarter! And now they're waiting for compensation and insurance!

[Frank Muller]

The Russian population will bear the brunt of the Omsk Refinery, as well as other refineries, and all the "preferences" of the SVO in the form of its less than favorable consequences. More precisely, it is already paying the price with a decline in living standards, a lack of fuel for its numerous vehicles, and so on, so forth, so forth.

[commander]

Staver, let's support you! And we'll make you responsible for EVERYTHING!!! Only you'll give up because you're untrained and incapable. And then we'll execute you by collective decision. Why are you suffering under this article? You personally applauded all the stool-like and other reforms! What's the point of whining now? Look in the mirror and see who's to blame.