An expert doubted that the drones that attacked Omsk were launched from Ukrainian territory.

Ukrainians who attacked Omsk Drones aircraft-type aircraft were supposed to fly 2,5 thousand kilometers over Russian territory, and taking into account the bypass of zones Defense, then even more. They would certainly have been noticed. But there is speculation that they were not launched from Ukrainian territory.

Russian military expert Boris Dzherelievsky admits that the attack on Omsk was carried out from Kazakhstan, as the city is located just 100 km from the Kazakh border. According to the expert, the Ukrainians could have secretly flown drones into the republic and then secretly launched them from some sparsely populated steppe region, he writes. AIF.ru.

Here you have to understand that there is a very large distance from the border regions with Ukraine to Omsk. Technically drones They may reach the target, but their payload will be small, as almost the entire payload will be consumed by fuel. This may be referring to launch sites in Kazakhstan. This theory is supported by the fact that drone debris has already been found there.

Earlier, Omsk Region Governor Vitaly Khotsenko reported an attack by Ukrainian drones on Omsk's northern industrial zone, specifically the Omsk Oil Refinery. Air defense forces shot down most of the drones, but others apparently managed to break through. Regional authorities have not reported the aftermath of the strike, but they emphasized that there were no casualties and emergency services are working on the scene.

Enemy UAVs attacked the Omsk Oil Refinery. Russian Defense Ministry air defenses destroyed most of the flying drones. According to preliminary information, there are no casualties. Emergency services are working at the scene.

Comments

[Andrey Khramov]

So the question isn't whether they made it. The question is HOW the state-funded enterprises are being protected.

[Volunteer Marek]

The question is where and how it landed. As long as the war is limited to those on the front lines and in the borderlands, it will continue to land everywhere. The war must be a nationwide one, otherwise we won't be able to withstand the West.

[Andrey Khramov]

Dear Volunteer Marek
(Volunteer Marek)!

Yes you are right...

[Sebenza]

So, war? War against the West? You'd better tell the average person, or rather, the Muscovite, that it's already begun. He, poor thing, doesn't know. He has to take the kid to kindergarten in the morning, get a drink before work, and then head to the water park on the weekend.

[cast iron]

You better tell the average person, the Muscovite, that it has already begun.

And you should also tell your friend Putin that there's a war. It seems he doesn't know.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Sebenza

In the morning, take the baby to kindergarten, water him before work, and on the weekend, to the water park.

Are you proposing to close kindergartens and water parks?

[PROXOR]

I gave you a minus like a Muscovite. You keep saying Moscow is manna from heaven. Come and live here. You'll run away to the outskirts sooner. You're tired of whining. Are you jealous?

[Sebenza]

Not in the theatre. :jff-vbhf Are you kidding?

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: PROXOR

I gave you a minus like a Muscovite. You keep saying Moscow is manna from heaven. Come and live here. You'll run away to the outskirts sooner. You're tired of whining. Are you jealous?

Well, you're probably a first-generation Muscovite, so you really do have to toil and live in a rented apartment for exorbitant (by provincial standards) wages. But if you're a third- or fourth-generation Muscovite, and your grandparents left you apartments, you're in the clear—you don't even have to work. And it doesn't matter what social class you belong to. And pensioners with a Muscovite card live like no other pensioner anywhere in Russia! So don't blame them for the hard life in Moscow—we've been there, we know.

[PROXOR]

I'm the first person born here, but thank God I have my own place. But that doesn't mean I have a good life. If you think people in Moscow routinely earn 200,000 rubles a month, I'm sorry to disappoint you. And given the current unemployment rate, wages will only fall.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: PROXOR

And given the current level of unemployment, wages will only fall.

What's the current unemployment rate? Is it approaching zero? Or is it different in Moscow?
200,000 rubles is an average salary for a specialist even outside Moscow. There's absolutely no point in going to Moscow for 200,000 rubles!

[PROXOR]

Well, even in Moscow, you don't get paid 200 rubles everywhere. You still have to find a way to get there. Again, keep in mind that you're talking about manufacturing specialists. And the manufacturing sector in Moscow has been ruined by Sobyakin. The construction sites are full of migrants. The only people making a good living these days are IT professionals. But that's a new industry, so what about those who studied over 20 years ago, and certainly not in IT?

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: PROXOR

But this is a new field, so what should those who studied more than 20 years ago and definitely not in IT do?

Well, I studied over 20 years ago, and definitely not in IT. My first degree was as a surveying engineer, my second was as a mining engineer (mine surveying). Not Moscow, but the regions. My salary was 300+. And, frankly, that's not enough!!!

[PROXOR]

Well, I have a professional automotive education. When I graduated, it turned out our valiant state had no use for me. I had to forge my own path, outside my profession. And there are plenty of people like that, including in Moscow. Thanks to Sobyakin.

[AllX_VahhaB]

I don't work for the state either. Large joint-stock companies, but not the state. For example, here's a holding company. National Project Construction Where I work now.
What do you mean, "automotive education?" Mechanic? There's a shortage of mechanics right now! There's a shortage of all technical specialists right now. Especially competent and qualified ones! If you're a mechanic, under 60, and a competent specialist... Right now, at any construction site in the North (for example, in Svobodny, Amur Oblast), you'll be snapped up for 250-300 rubles a month.

[PROXOR]

Quote from: AllX_VahhaB

What does "automotive education" mean? Mechanic?

I'm an environmental technician. But I know a lot about mechanics. I build my own car.

Quote from: AllX_VahhaB

If you're a mechanic, under 60, and a competent specialist... Then right now, at any construction site in the North (for example, in Svobodny, Amur Oblast), you'll be snapped up for 250-300 rubles a month.

So, I have to hustle north for these 250-300, ruin my health, and then spend that same money on treatment to make it to that damn pension. What's the benefit?

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: PROXOR

So, I have to hustle north for these 250-300, ruin my health, and then spend that same money on treatment to make it to that damn pension. What's the benefit?

What's so unhealthy about it? Are you planning to live in a tent in the tundra and lie under a car in -50 degree weather? Can you even imagine what a mechanic does? What does it have to do with repairing your own car? I'm not talking about a mechanic, I'm talking about a MECHANIC! Apparently, an environmental technician is quite a different kind of person. Since you don't know basic things...
Specifically about Svobodny: you live in a company apartment, a company car takes you to work, where you... (Google the job description of a site mechanic)... supervise the equipment and machine operators. And if you're really concerned about your health, there's comprehensive insurance from SOGAZ, separate from your existing insurance. It covers all medical procedures!
Well, if 300 thousand is not money for you... Well, then sit at home, on your butt... Just don’t whine anymore that Our valiant state doesn't need it at all и What should those who studied more than 20 years ago and definitely not in IT do?

[Sebenza]

You're joking. I didn't get it. You're from Moscow. Sorry.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Volunteer Marek

For now the war will be only for those at the front and for those on the border,

Omsk is no longer a borderland... Kazakhstan doesn't count.

[Sebenza]

Didn't expect that from you. Where's the sarcasm?

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Sebenza

Didn't expect that from you. Where's the sarcasm?

No time for sarcasm. Zelensky, for example, declared in Ankara that they've eliminated Russia's centuries-old advantage—strategic depth! Now size (of territory) doesn't matter! Look, the other day we attacked a Russian oil refinery in Siberia!!!
It's clear that this is more of a media attack than a military one. But the media battlefield is no less important right now! Panic online, queues at gas stations, loud statements to Western allies... There's a picture – they're giving us money and weapons! But we're in a complete mess on this front! And while we seem to have decent, competent PR specialists, patriotically minded, like Pyotr Lidov, they're the ones creating the image, it's some shady laymen. A systemic approach, to say nothing of it – it doesn't exist! There are isolated TV shows, isolated blogs, and Telegram channels... But there's no mass information outpouring online!

[Sebenza]

Your anger is justified. The wave of patriotism is being dampened. Why and for what purpose? This is a question for those who define this concept.

[Vendora]

That's right. But under capitalist society, this will never happen. For some, war is a disaster, for others, a means of enrichment.

[Sebenza]

And......revolution?......

[Sebenza]

Moderators, please upload the revolution from the white album.

[U-58]

Well, how are they covered?
You can’t put a border guard under every bush, just as you can’t post a counterintelligence officer at every intersection.
The detection and interception boundaries for air targets are a secret for obvious reasons.
So what and how should we discuss here?
Perhaps the creation of self-defense squads. A people's militia, if you will.

[Andrey Khramov]

Dear U-58
(at 58)!
Where and who to "lock up"—under a bush with a machine gun or in jail with a bowl—is undoubtedly a fascinating question. When these "hobbies" have concrete answers—with names attached to each problem—then there won't be a need for vigilante groups... Or will there be? We'll see.

[Volunteer Marek]

A. Those in power won't agree to that. Because the question is: who are they more afraid of?

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Volunteer Marek

A. Those in power won't agree to that. Because the question is: who are they more afraid of?

Well, judging by everything, those in power today fear nothing and no one. Take Ukraine, for example—they even handed out Kalashnikovs on the streets... And so what? And they do whatever they want with the people, even to the point of physical extermination...

[cmax]

Quote: U-58

Well, how are they covered?
You can’t put a border guard under every bush, just as you can’t post a counterintelligence officer at every intersection.
The detection and interception boundaries for air targets are a secret for obvious reasons.
So what and how should we discuss here?
Perhaps the creation of self-defense squads. A people's militia, if you will.

There are AVCs for that, like the A-50. Yes, they're old, but at least they would have provided some guidance assistance. Who's to blame that the money for new A-100s was spent, but the aircraft still aren't there, and there's no one to blame? Who's to blame that everyone's wondering where the drones in St. Petersburg and Omsk came from? You can think about it and answer for yourself. Giving an order doesn't mean it will be carried out.

[osp]

They won't help - these things have a negligible EPR.

[PROXOR]

The A-50 can see small aircraft quite well. Not from 400 km, but somewhere between 100 and 120 km.

[Totor5]

Well, we don't have a border in the south—the Kazakhs guard it there. And under the USSR, there was an air defense system in Kazakhstan. The USSR collapsed, and the south of Russia was left bare. And it's still that way. That's why NATO is so eager to get to Asia—to get us from there, from our most vulnerable spot.

[your vsr 66-67]

secretly launch them from some steppe region with a minimum population,

I agree!
What's more, last night at about 23 PM, I went out to the yard. I heard some unusual sound moving. I listened closely, and it wasn't a car, a motorcycle, or anything like that. The sound faded, and half a minute later, a second one sounded exactly the same. So, the couple had passed.
The Kazakh border is 50 km away. The border is guarded at the border crossing and the train station. Traffic is light at night, mostly trucks. I drove to Kazakhstan, and for 200 km from the border, their territory is practically deserted steppe.
And what's stopping that same truck from stopping on the highway with its hazard lights on, launching a few drones, and then continuing on? Absolutely nothing! It's about 200-250 km from here to Omsk as the crow flies.

[Two]

Previously, the USSR had a layered air defense system. Now, if you search the Antey enterprise online, you'll find that it produces anywhere from 30 to 100 Pantsir missiles, which comes out to 50 units per year. The length of the front in Ukraine, where the systems created at this enterprise operate, and the cities of Moscow and St. Petersburg, where these systems are located, is significant. I believe air defense systems have been removed from many regions of the Russian Federation to protect these territories, and in other territories, there are minimal air defense systems, which is why there are such incoming attacks.

[saigon]

Well, you've gone too far, police, and in a capitalist country. An armed people, and in a capitalist country, that's a shock to the foundations and the overthrow of the very foundations.

[U-58]

The people's militia was called the militia from the time of Minin and Pozharsky and earlier.
The militia as a police body was established by the bourgeois Provisional Government in 1917.

[PROXOR]

Quote: U-58

If you like, a people's militia.

What are you talking about? This is a direct attack on the police's authority. After all, if the people see the effectiveness of the people's militia against the backdrop of the police's illiteracy and laziness, it's only logical that the people will send the police packing.

[U-58]

What was meant was volunteer units for territorial defense against unmanned aerial attacks, not police agencies.

[Vladimir_Semenovich]

Why would it be considered state-forming? In our country, only GDP is state-forming—if there's Putin, there's Russia; if there's no Putin, there's no Russia, as the classic said.

[AllX_VahhaB]

How many such Putins have there been in Russian history?

[AllX_VahhaB]

I have another question: why hasn't a single federal-scale oil refinery like the one in Omsk been built in the last 25 years?

[doker79]

The hype about Kazakhstan has begun.
It is easier to believe this than to accept the fact that, alas, they have begun to miss strikes at such a distance.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: doker79

It is easier to believe this than to accept the fact that, alas, they have begun to miss strikes at such a distance.

What does this have to do with believing it or not? 2500 is in a straight line, taking into account the flight mission. It would be 2800-3000. Let's not tell fairy tales about such a range of drones. Given that the Kazakhs themselves have repeatedly picked up drones on their territory, there is no need to disperse anything.

[doker79]

Let's not tell fairy tales about the range of drones

Why are these actually fairy tales?
For me, the big fairy tale is Kazakhstan's alleged involvement in everything that's happening. Most local commentators simply have cognitive dissonance about the idea that air defense systems can allow drones to reach such a distance, hence the theories about Kazakhstan.

[Dart2027]

Quote: doker79

For me, the big fairy tale is Kazakhstan’s involvement in everything that’s happening.

Not the involvement of Kazakhstan, but the use of its territory.

Ukrainians could secretly bring drones into the republic's territory and also secretly launch them from some sparsely populated steppe region

[guest]

Quote: doker79

Why are these actually fairy tales?

Because there are laws of physics, and such a drone with such ammunition will not fly such a distance, even in the complete absence of our air defense.

[osp]

The flight range of such devices can be up to 3000 kilometers if done correctly.
Do you know what the range of the Global Hawk is?
Although it is a jet, do you know its range and flight duration?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from osp

The flight range of such devices can be up to 3000 kilometers if done correctly.

Don't be petty, you can get 5000, 10000, or even 100000, but the reality is a little different.

Quote from osp

Do you know what the range of the Global Hawk is?

First, let's check its characteristics - Takeoff weight: about 14,5 tons

[cast iron]

Do you know what the range of the Global Hawk is?

Do you know what size the Globe Hawk is? Look at the photo. It's about the size of a normal reconnaissance plane.

[osp]

What are the dimensions of the A-22? The wingspan is 11 meters. It could weigh almost a ton in a strike version. Like a normal aerobatic aircraft.
And it’s a good thing that nothing so shocking is being created based on the aerodynamics of that very “Global Hawk”.
Then it will be easy to fly to Sakhalin.
What size and weight are "Flamingos"? Have Cheboksary, Volgograd, and Votkinsk seen them?

[jack no]

Tu compares un drone Global Hawk, avec un drone ordinaire.
Regardes la différence du prix de revient.
C'est comme si tu compares une Fiat 500 avec le tank de Trump.
Les deux ont quatre roues.

[antikilller55]

The acceleration began because yesterday this iron was flying overhead, coming from Kazakhstan, toward the oil refinery. We believe our eyes and ears, sir.

[LaraM]

began to miss strikes of such a range

That's logical. They're expecting strikes near Belgorod or Moscow, but not near Omsk or Novosibirsk. And since they weren't expecting them, well, here they are. If Japan joins in, they'll start hitting Kamchatka, too. There are oil refineries there, too. The president and his team, who so poorly prepared the "defense of Donbas," should be held accountable for the lack of preparation for the Central Military District and its disastrous move. They're keeping quiet and not voicing their mistakes. Without correcting their mistakes, victory is impossible.

Phrases like "because we were deceived" are ridiculous and stupid. They shouldn't be said at all.

[tjeck91]

The point is, show us video evidence or at least a radar signature of the border violation...

[Smoked]

Will anything change if this is true? Just look at the Ukrainian drones that recently blew up an Azerbaijani ship, mistaking it for a Russian one, killing Azerbaijani citizens. You were probably surprised by the media fuss, right? Aliyev Jr. probably screamed at the UN, demanding punishment? Or the Turks, for whom this has become the norm?

[tjeck91]

At the very least, we'll know how to defend ourselves. To overcome a disease, we need to identify its symptoms. And unfounded accusations are also a bit of a bummer.

[guest]

Quote: tjeck91

In order to overcome a disease, you need to identify its symptoms.

What is there to determine? Everyone knows perfectly well where the cause is, but they categorically do not want to eliminate it.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: tjeck91

The point is, show us video evidence or at least a radar signature of the border violation...

What are you talking about? If there had been a radar signature, they probably wouldn't have been able to reach Omsk. But if they did, that means they were planning a route that bypassed the active air defense zone.
The Bandar-logs cannot know this, and therefore the route was laid out with the help of mattress reconnaissance.
The Kazakhs might not have known that their territory would be used to launch attacks on Russia, or perhaps they did know, but they acted on the principle of "not caught is not a thief."

[tjeck91]

What's the motive? To sell us gasoline later?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: tjeck91

What's the motive? To sell us gasoline later?

This could also be one of the motives among others, why not?

[Radik Mukharyamov]

Well, if anyone blames the Kazakhs, they're being unfair. Firstly, a significant part of Kazakhstan is desert steppes, where settlements are sparse. You could march an army there without being noticed right away. Secondly, what can they do if drones are flying even into the most protected region of the country—Moscow? Thirdly, they've forgotten how drones were brought into Russia and attacked military airfields in various remote corners. So what can we say about Kazakhstan?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Radik Mukharyamov

Well, if someone blames the Kazakhs, then it’s not very fair.

You are inattentive, because I wrote that the Kazakhs might not have known about this!
However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the UAVs could have been launched from Kazakhstan. In fact, you've also written about this, citing the large, sparsely populated areas there where even an army could pass undetected.

[Alexei]

I don't want to point the finger at anyone, but our southern CSTO partner (which is located 100 km from Omsk) has a fairly strong anti-Russian movement, represented by a considerable number of nationally oriented citizens who would, with great joy and pride, help carry out this "surprise" attack.

[anjey]

Kazakh nationalism and the eastern corrupt mentality during the Big Money era are a pretty ugly reality. ...

[YES UZH]

Kazakhstan is a fiefdom of the British and Turks; they have a strong position there, and the opposition is based in London, and the Americans have followed suit. I wonder if Blair is still hanging around there as a presidential adviser or if he's been rotated out. The Kazakhs, with their raw materials base, are seeking an alternative to the influence of China and Russia—that's what multi-vectorism is all about. It's just dangerous to be on the Anglo-Saxon hook.

[Andrey Khramov]

The issue of ownership determines the degree and level of protection of this very property.
For Russian oligarchs, the "expulsion" of any of their businesses isn't a problem—they have enough money outside Russia to live a comfortable life. For Russian oligarchs, even the hypothetical "expulsion" of Russia planned by Western demons wouldn't be a tragedy.

[ism_ek]

Following the Wagner affair, oligarchs were banned from creating their own armies. The National Guard, headed by a former security guard, Mr. Zolotov, is responsible for protecting all energy infrastructure. Factories comply with all National Guard orders.

[Andrey Khramov]

Dear ism_ek
(Ilya)!

The question is not about "oligarch armies"... Problem the presence of "oligarchs" in the Russian economy... What good are they to the Russian economy itself and the people of Russia?..

[Land]

The problem is the presence of "oligarchs" in the Russian economy

I wonder if there are these "oligarchs" in China?

[Andy_nsk]

There are 155 dollar billionaires in Russia, 1110 in China.

[Gunther]

Quote: ism_ek

...The Russian National Guard is responsible for protecting the entire energy infrastructure.

"Private companies have been granted the right to purchase large-caliber weapons and equipment to defend against drone attacks, RBC has discovered. Permitted items include anti-aircraft artillery, turrets, vehicles, radar, and electronic warfare systems."
https://www.rbc.ru/business/28/05/2026/6a1850ad9a79477349237757
This means that the state is handing over its powers to fat cats, in my opinion, and the creation of private "armies" is a nice addition.

[ism_ek]

Quote: Gunter

"Private companies have been given the opportunity to purchase large-caliber weapons and equipment to defend against drone attacks, RBK has discovered.

Besides refineries, we have a ton of other industries. But the National Guard is specifically responsible for protecting refineries and power plants, receiving funding from the refineries for this purpose. This money is invested in gasoline and electricity tariffs.

[Gunther]

Quote: ism_ek

Quote: Gunter

"Private companies have been given the opportunity to purchase large-caliber weapons and equipment to defend against drone attacks, RBK has discovered.

Besides the refineries, we have a ton of other industries. But specifically, for the protection of refineries and power plants. Rosgvardia replies, which receives funds from factories for this purpose. This money is invested in gasoline and electricity tariffs.

So how did the Russian National Guard respond to the Moscow oil refinery?
I repeat:
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law permitting specialized private security companies (PSCs) to use combat-grade firearms to protect critical fuel and energy infrastructure. The document was published on the official legal information portal.
The acquired heavy weapons are de jure transferred to the balance of the military units of the Ministry of Defense, light small arms – to the Russian National Guard, de facto - to a private owner.

[Sergej1972]

They've gained the ability to purchase weapons for official structures. News reports need to be read more carefully. This issue has been discussed repeatedly on VO.

[Gunther]

Quote: Sergej1972

They've gained the ability to purchase weapons for official structures. News reports need to be read more carefully.

Well, read more carefully:
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law permitting specialized private security companies (PSCs) to use combat-grade firearms to protect critical fuel and energy infrastructure. The document was published on the official legal information portal.
"was allowed through controlled private security companies Receive automatic combat small arms from the Russian National Guard and use large-caliber air defense systems.
The acquired heavy weapons are legally transferred to the balance of military units of the Ministry of Defense, and light small arms to the Russian National Guard."©

What could this backfire on? visually demonstrated on June 23-24, 2023, and yes, the heavy weapons belonged de jure to the Russian Ministry of Defense, de facto Prigogine.

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: ism_ek

Following the Wagner affair, oligarchs were banned from creating their own armies. The National Guard, headed by a former security guard, Mr. Zolotov, is responsible for protecting all energy infrastructure. Factories comply with all National Guard orders.

But the information was different. On the contrary, private companies were allowed to arm themselves and recruit people for drone security teams. And the concept of "drone security" is very vague. It could be as simple as a machine gun on a jeep.

[Rakitin]

I don't know about Moscow, but in the provinces, the salaries of lower-ranking RG personnel are around 30-35 rubles, so the shortage reaches 70%. So, we'd be happy to provide some security, if only with a certain amount. In the first half of the year, BARSiks were recruited for the Mobile Task Force at 30 rubles, but somehow there weren't any lines outside the fence. Now they're promising 120 rubles, but there aren't many takers either. Because today you're a BARS with a Berdan rifle, and tomorrow you're storming a LBS with a one-way ticket.

[LaraM]

For Russian oligarchs, the "removal" of any of their enterprises is not a problem

Why is that? Because the president said, "People can live wherever they want." So it's logical to ask: why don't these people want to live in Russia? They want to receive money from Russia, but not live there? Because these people are enemies. And the authorities have to stop lying and pretending that everything is right. It's wrong, and defeat is just around the corner. Precisely because of this treacherous policy.

[Prisoner]

Still haven't realized the country is at war? Maybe we, the bureaucrats, and the security forces, need to come to our senses? All their forces are being squandered, and they don’t even remember the war?!

[Arkady007]

Prisoner (Ayrat)
Who is the proposal for? Please provide it.
You have three stars, push the door.

[Prisoner]

I'm talking about real life, and in real life, two stars don't cut it. Especially when you're approaching 70.

[faiver]

Well, actually, the current war is a rip-off...

[silverwolf88]

Now we need to lift everything that remains of these UAVs and look at the control system and the design parameters (warhead weight and fuel weight) to see where the gifts came from... multi-vector Kazakhstan with a nationalistic bias, filled with Western specialists, could well have been the launch site.

[Essex62]

So it will be confirmed that it flew from there, so what?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Essex62

what was flying from there and what

We will have to orient our air defenses to the possibility of an attack from this direction.

[Essex62]

So, defense again? How about making an example of the steppe residents? Use our drones to locate the launch sites, pinpoint them, and shove them under the noses of our "ally" authorities. Let them work with their unreliable contingent.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Essex62

Use your UAVs to detect the launch sites, record them, and shove them under the noses of the "ally" authorities.

Finding several trucks in a space of thousands and thousands of square kilometers when the launch takes place within an hour at most. Theoretically possible, but random.

[Essex62]

If you don't try, it won't work. It's true. For example, the waiters in Russia itself, hiding in the forests, launch FPVs, while the Russian National Guard, which has a whopping 300 members, sits in barracks. Who's stopping them from patrolling forest roads?

[Konnick]

Quote: Essex62

and the Russian National Guard, of which there are as many as 300 thousand, is sitting in barracks.

They are not sitting, but preparing to take the test for maroon berets.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Essex62

For example, the waiters in the Russian Federation itself, hiding in the forests, launch FPVs, while the Russian National Guard, which has as many as 300 thousand, sits in barracks.

They have ongoing security duties that haven't been removed. Identifying saboteurs is more the FSB's responsibility.

[Essex62]

Should the FSB patrol forest roads? That's always been the job of the rear guard troops.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Essex62

Should the FSB patrol forest roads?

Of course not. The main way to spot them isn't running around in the woods, but through reconnaissance—recruiting enemy officers who can provide information, intercepting internet communications, and so on. And while you might stumble across them in the woods, the odds are slim.

[Essex62]

We need a combination. The FSB is uncovering the insiders, who are running around the forests and fields with their tongues hanging out. Let them work for the people's money.

It depends on the number of troops involved. There aren't many clearings accessible by dirt roads. It's impossible to launch a fire extinguishing agent from the thicket; trees get in the way. Of course, we're not talking about the taiga. For example, in our Moscow region forests. Our villagers have encountered such "partisans" and reported them to the police. But you can imagine the response time.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Essex62

It depends on the number of troops involved. There aren't many clearings accessible by dirt roads.

Well, it's hard to say. A minimum of five people patrol, 24/7, so multiply that by three—that's fifteen people total. That's for one road every day. Plus, as I already wrote, they have regular duty as well.

Quote: Essex62

Our villagers encountered these "partisans" and reported them to the police. But the reaction time, as you can imagine, is slow.

But this is really a problem.

[Kerensky]

Ataman of the Posolskaya stanitsa of the Taman department in Moscow, Boris Dzherelievsky:

Is this the source?

[AC130 Gunship]

The refinery is owned by PAO Gazprom Neft, 49.8% of which is privately owned. We regularly see their faces (crossed out) on the idiot box. Explain to them that they should chip in for a couple of S-400s and about 5 Buks. I mean, out of their own pockets.

[Vladimir M]

They will chip in, of course, but only after they raise the price of gasoline for the Russian population.

[alexoff]

Why would they need S400s to defend an oil refinery? Four towers manned by MANPADS would be enough. Or even regular anti-aircraft drones. Are they planning massive IRBM strikes there?

[Essex62]

They've already chipped in. The Ministry of Defense has significantly increased air patrols. They're sparing no expense on kerosene and ammunition. The crackle of machine guns and cannon fire and the roar of helicopters overhead are constant, 24/7.

[alexoff]

There haven't been any noticeable changes on the western side. And there were plenty of flights before, mostly on excursions for wealthy Pinocchios.

[Good Evil]

The helicopters are constantly spinning from the east, but what's the point? They were spinning too when Kapotnya was destroyed!

[Rakitin]

And how will a "pair of S-400s" help against hundreds of UAVs every day? In Crimea, for example, nothing worked—the Kakel successfully neutralized all the S-300/400s there with cheap rockets made from barnyard and branches. Would things have been different in Omsk?

[alexoff]

It doesn't matter where it comes from; they're flying from the Baltics, so what? And it'll keep coming. We can't fight NATO, can we?! And when they fight us and we don't, it's not a war, it's bombing. Like when they simply bombed Yugoslavia, without any war.

[Ivanhoe]

Shameful, there are no other words to describe this situation. Tomorrow, Zelensky will boast to NATO about how he brought Russia to its knees. And there will be more money, and more support, too. But at the top, there's concern and silence.

[Ivan№One]

Well, apparently it’s more convenient for someone to believe in this version than in the one that they flew 2500 km.
It's all sophistry, the main thing is that they get there, and slowing down YouTube won't help here.

Well, really?! After all, there was a calling to take action!
https://topwar.ru/285367-putin-prizval-prinjat-mery-k-zaschite-npz-ot-udarov-kieva.html

[LaraM]

There's no need to call for it. He came out and said: if even one drone crashes into an oil refinery, the owner automatically loses that asset. Or: the owner is immediately sentenced to 10 years incommunicado. And jail everyone whose oil refineries were burned down. Why do the poor from the provinces pay their living wages for their refineries, while they're stingy with a lousy billion?

[AC130 Gunship]

Quote: silberwolf88

Now we need to lift everything that remains of these UAVs and look at the control system and the design parameters (warhead weight and fuel weight) to see where the gifts came from... multi-vector Kazakhstan with a nationalistic bias, filled with Western specialists, could well have been the launch site.

What do "Western experts" have to do with this, if Kazakhstan has been officially purchasing NATO weapons for a long time and is about to switch to the Latin alphabet?

[silverwolf88]

They have already switched to the Latin alphabet, betraying their Chokan Valikhanov, who developed the script for them...
Western specialists are always involved and they work there in the fields, factories and as various advisers... plus a large Sumerian diaspora

[Silba]

I was looking at the list of refineries the other day and was delighted. They haven't reached Omsk yet, and there are no problems with gasoline there. Meanwhile, the Kazakhs themselves charge 35 rubles per liter for 92-grade gasoline, while our people who live nearby have been quietly evading it for years. It's hard to believe they're launching from Kazakhstan, so that's why our collective defense partners aren't doing anything. And Tokayev owes a lot to Russia, so at least cover him from the south.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Silbi

And Tokayev owes a lot to Russia

than for example?!

[Murzik]

No one fills up there for a long time now. Firstly, they won't let many people through the border, and secondly, no one wants to sit in traffic jams at the border for a day with this gasoline.

[ism_ek]

Here in the Urals, the alarm was raised early in the morning. This usually happens when drones fly over the Volga region. The drones arrived in Omsk after lunch. So this isn't Kazakhstan. If they had been launched from Kazakhstan, the drones would have arrived in Omsk that night.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ism_ek

In the Urals, the alarm was raised early in the morning.

and what's the connection ?!
By the way, if we assume that they knew and saw, and were leading from the Urals, then here it is not necessary to fire them, but to shoot them

[Rakitin]

Well, here in the Volga region, they're declaring a missile threat: supposedly, launches were detected in the border regions of Ukraine, then missiles were flying over the Voronezh region, then missiles entered the Saratov region. They're supposed to be flying for about an hour...

[Klevakin_Nikita]

The drone alert was lifted six hours after the announcement. That's precisely the time the drone could have flown in from Kazakhstan. Distances there range from 500 to 1500 km. Given an average speed of 200 km/h, it all fits.

[NakedMan]

I think they'll examine the debris and figure out where it came from. But what measures they'll take and what they'll tell us is another matter.
We have many vulnerable points, and the war will not end tomorrow.

[Fedor Sokolov]

But they won't tell us anything! Because otherwise, we'll have to explain how it came to be that our CSTO ally, Kazakhstan, is waging an undeclared war against us on the side of our sworn enemy and allowing its territory to be used as a military base against Russia.

[Most polite]

The expert is already Borya Dzherelievsky, he has made a career.
Theoretically, they could have launched it from our territory, but in practice it’s unlikely; they would have had to go through customs and border services several times.
The simplest explanation is that another loaded truck with Russian license plates drove up and calmly, in a quiet, peaceful place, fired.

[flicker]

There are questions for Gazprom Neft (Miller and Dyukov have an extremely strained relationship, by the way).
Currently, in Omsk, and previously in the Moscow region, the oil refineries belong to this company.

According to information as of 2023, the private security organization Gazprom Neft Okhrana was used to protect facilities, including the Gazprom Neft refinery.

And did they guard these oil refineries well?
---
Traber's arrest in mid-June is widely linked to a purge, including at Gazprom Neft.
So this whole "gasoline crisis" is being linked to the purge of some elite forces - and they are very high up the chain of command.

[north 2]

The air defense forces probably know exactly where it came from... But who's going to allow them to tell the people? The enemy knows for sure that a lot of time has passed since the first strike on the oil refineries in Russia, but reliable protection hasn't been put in place after the first, nor after the second, nor after the third, nor after the fourth, nor after the fifth, nor after the sixth, nor after the seventh, nor after the eighth, nor after the ninth strike by enemy drones on Russia's main oil refineries. Well, today they struck the tenth... I wonder how much area a large oil refinery would need to be protected from the air by drones? Well, if after the first and second strikes on the main oil refineries there's still no itch, then that's clearly sabotage in wartime.

[Karabin]

I just can't understand why an air target flying at the speed of World War I aircraft can hit critical targets in the 21st century, given the availability of detection and destruction capabilities that are orders of magnitude greater than those of a century ago.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Karabin

Why is an aerial target flying at the speed of WWI aircraft

Because its route is planned in such a way as to bypass air defense deployment sites that are clearly visible from space.

[Karabin]

is laid out in such a way as to bypass the air defense deployment sites

Are you saying that there is no air defense near Omsk?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Karabin

that there is no air defense near Omsk?

Yes. But if it's deployed to repel attacks from a specific direction, it's not guaranteed to work in other directions. The simplest scenario is that it's located on the other side and can't aim or fire because the city's buildings are in the way.

[Karabin]

Yes. But if it's deployed to repel attacks from a specific direction, it's not guaranteed to work in other directions.

Judging by the smoke in the video, there is no air defense.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Karabin

Judging by the smoke in the video

It couldn't fully reflect the blow. But I doubt it did.

[Rakitin]

Our region has an oil refinery, a nuclear power plant, Strategic Missile Forces units with nuclear weapons, a strategic aviation base, and a ton of military factories. And when the first UAVs started arriving in 2023 (the Outskirts are about 700 km away as the crow flies), it turned out there was absolutely no air defense. Three years later, it's mostly limited to mobile task forces in carts with machine guns, with the occasional helicopter. And you're talking about some Omsk...

[Vadim S]

It's been known for a long time that sympathizers are launching drugs from our fields and crops. There are already rumors about what and how they were imported, which cannot be disclosed, but the scale was simply horrifying! What's surprising? The whole country is corrupt.

[Severok]

Any sane person who's ever taken an interest in aviation knows as clear as day that the Urals region and Siberia are under attack from Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan. And our border with Kazakhstan is pretty porous; we barely have enough personnel to cover checkpoints and operational work. The border should be sealed tight, like in the USSR, with the flanks at the outposts no more than 10 kilometers wide.

[Most polite]

Hmm, another expert mathematician😱Where do you say they are being attacked from?
The fact that drones were recorded flying over the Sverdlovsk and Kurgan regions is, of course, a mistake and a hallucination.
Well, they couldn’t have crawled across Russian territory for so long; it would have been much easier to blame it on their neighbors.

[Fangaro]

Russian military expert Boris Dzherelievsky admits that the attack on Omsk was carried out from Kazakhstan, as the city is located just 100 km from the Kazakh border. According to the expert, the Ukrainians could have...

They could. But does the expert have any details? It hit such-and-such an object from such-and-such a direction, and it hit that other object from such-and-such a direction.
Many experts voice some numbers.
But you can also just
"... is smart,
He has foresight..."

[Esaul]

You don't have to be an expert to understand that the Omsk and Novosibirsk regions were attacked from Kazakhstan.

[Fedor Sokolov]

A CSTO ally! With friends like these, you don't need enemies.

[Glagol1]

This seems quite likely. Kazakhstan doesn't have much control over these risks. But it seems they'll definitely establish this. Let's wait and see...

[Radik Mukharyamov]

Has Moscow improved its control over the capital lately? Who's to blame here? Blaming others is the easiest thing to do.

[Fedor Sokolov]

It's not surprising, the English are at home in Kazakhstan.

[sasha_cho]

It's high time our geraniums also accidentally flew at least via the Baltic sprats, send them about 500 of them and say that it was the Ukrainians who influenced them, what's the difficulty?

[Ivan Seversky]

In 1937, Chekalov made a nonstop flight from Moscow to the United States via the North Pole. It took 63 hours and covered 8,600 km between points. What's stopping the other side from creating an ultra-long-range drone in the fifth year of the war?

I wouldn't be surprised if we soon hear about drones over the Angarsk Oil Refinery in Irkutsk and even over the Komsomolsk Oil Refinery in Khabarovsk Krai.
Those who live closer to the border know very well that almost everything that is shot down is destroyed over stationary air defense sites - in essence, we still have focal systems, and not a unified air defense system like the enemy.

[Roman 11]

Quote: Ivan Seversky

In essence, we still have focal systems, not a unified air defense system like the enemy

And if you imagine a war with NATO... the oil refineries will be wiped out in a week.

[Essex62]

Are we at war with the Cape Verde Islands today? They'll release 2-3 rattlers a day and they'll definitely take us out. If we keep chewing our noses.

[Roman 11]

Quote: Essex62

They will release 2-3 thousand rattlers per day and will certainly take them out

agree

[Konnick]

Quote: Essex62

They will release 2-3 thousand rattlers per day and will definitely take them out.

Europe promises 2 a day. No one in Ukraine will bother with production...it's too vulnerable. It's better to produce in Europe and import to Ukraine, especially since we don't want to attack communications at the border...why are we attacking barns in Kyiv?

[Al manah]

Well, yes, it’s better to hire an “expert” who will explain that the enemy is stupid and incompetent than to start doing something yourself.

[north 2]

How much fuel does such a UAV need to cover about 3000 km? Will its entire payload go to fuel? It will carry at least the explosives. It's a different matter if it only has to cover a couple hundred km. But here it flies across all of Russia, first, such a slow-flying aircraft freely crosses the air border between Ukraine and Russia, then passes through a ton of regions where there is also air defense and flies to where it needs to go? What kind of a sieve is this air defense? I don't believe that Russia's air defense is a sieve! Why couldn't they shoot down the UAV over Ust-Luga and bring back a full load of explosives? Because it's only about a hundred km from the Baltic tigers. Well, here it's only a hundred km.
From the Asian steppe batyrs. Incidentally, both of them wouldn't mind if Russia were to lose and fall apart, they'd also get a piece of Russian land...

[Konnick]

Quote: north 2

Navarnoye, will all its payload go to fuel? It will carry at least the minimum amount of explosives.

So the main damaging factor is not the explosives, but the debris made of cardboard

[Roman 11]

Of course, in about 2 years the drones' range will be increased... but 3600 is still a bit far, in my opinion.

maybe additional capacities when reducing the warhead?
I'm still inclined to think about Kazakhstan.

[Anyuta Glorious]

Well, that's a possibility. However, drones could easily be launched from Russian territory. Relatives of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are churning them out in some rural barn.

[Eugene Zaboy]

Russian military expert Boris Dzherelievsky admits that the attack on Omsk was carried out from Kazakhstan, as the city is located just 100 km from the Kazakh border.

It appears the Military District is unable to obtain an answer to this question from the Russian Ministry of Defense or the Governor of Omsk Oblast, and is forced to rely on the opinion of military expert Boris Dzherelievsky, who also lacks access to a source of information on this matter.

[Sergey Novikov_3]

Yes, drones were launched on Omsk from Kazakhstan. If anyone says they were launched from Ukraine, spit in their eye. They're either an enemy or a d...

[Sergey Novikov_3]

The very north of Kazakhstan is somewhere along the Petropavlovsk-Omsk vector, to create the appearance of drones approaching Omsk from the west... and, like, flying over Russian territory. Jokers, their brains are fine, but not so smart as to fool... 😅

[Chewing gum]

Didn't the would-be detective even Google the news? A senior Chelyabinsk official said residents allegedly spotted a cluster of UAVs. There's a carpet, then we have 50 in Yekaterinburg and Perm, and then supposedly as much as 150. Then Tyumen, Tobolsk, then Omsk. Finally, Novosibirsk, I think Barnaul, and some other places.
At first, I thought it was because of the foreign industry, but no. Everything was visible from the planes online, too. But the point is, they've known about it for a long time, and it took so long to fly.

[Igor K_2]

+++! If it were coming from Kazakhstan, the Achinsk Oil Refinery would have been demolished by now, and a bunch of more important targets in the south of Western Siberia would have been taken out, but that's not the case.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

❝ According to the expert, the Ukrainians could have secretly brought drones into the republic's territory and also secretly launched them from some steppe region ❞ —

- Or maybe locals? berkutchi retrained as drone operators ...

[AC130 Gunship]

Quote from alexoff

Why would they need S400s to defend an oil refinery? Four towers manned by MANPADS would be enough. Or even regular anti-aircraft drones. Are they planning massive IRBM strikes there?

There was nothing planned there at all the day before yesterday. But life goes on.

[AC130 Gunship]

Quote: Silbi

I was looking at the list of refineries the other day and was delighted. They haven't reached Omsk yet, and there are no problems with gasoline there. Meanwhile, the Kazakhs themselves charge 35 rubles per liter for 92-grade gasoline, while our people who live nearby have been quietly evading it for years. It's hard to believe they're launching from Kazakhstan, so that's why our collective defense partners aren't doing anything. And Tokayev owes a lot to Russia, so at least cover him from the south.

Tell me, how? Nothing comes to mind except the recent landing.

[Skameri]

It's time to put such experts in jail.

[sgr291158]

The expert is right, 99,9 are flying from the Kazakhs.

[Peter Yakovlev]

It's obvious. Let's look at the map - the conscious ones definitely weren't shooting from the 404th! From the center of Omsk to the nearest automobile checkpoint on the Russian-Kazakh border (the Isilkul-Karakoga checkpoint) is about 170 km along the R-254 highway... Otherwise, anywhere in Kazakhstan a little further and deeper - well, no more. 300-350 km...So we're thinking...Especially since local Omsk eyewitnesses wrote online about the buzzing of drone piston engines...

[APASUS]

The war is entering its fifth year, and there's still no decision on the oil refinery's security. What's going to happen?

[Essex62]

Quote from alexoff

There haven't been any noticeable changes on the western side. And there were plenty of flights before, mostly on excursions for wealthy Pinocchios.

I see it every day. They're firing from their onboard aircraft, and you can almost expect debris to rain down on your head. Sometimes it's in your line of sight. The density is 3-4 aircraft per square meter; there used to be just one, and not constantly. A fighter jet flew in once. But that's true. The Nazis have gotten so brazen; they're so far from the front, and the Ukrainian drones fly right over the houses, low.

[Million]

Gerasimov probably couldn't even think about it?

[LaraM]

The man is 70 years old... is there really no one younger to replace him? I will never believe that someone that old can work effectively in such a crucial position.

[Million]

Surovikin would have been more effective, but then all the failures could be blamed on the old one.

[Mamin-Sibiryak]

You're mistaken. Igor Ivanovich Sechin is only 65, the prime age for a statesman. And then, why replace him, and with whom? Medvedchuk?!

[acetophenone]

Quote: PROXOR

Quote: U-58

If you like, a people's militia.

What are you talking about? This is a direct attack on the police's authority. After all, if the people see the effectiveness of the people's militia against the backdrop of the police's illiteracy and laziness, it's only logical that the people will send the police packing.

That's when the Russian National Guard comes to the rescue. Guess who they're helping?

[tarantula]

It doesn't matter where you flew from. The sheep are in power, it's the fifth year of the war. The last largest oil refinery. You have no brains.

[Mamin-Sibiryak]

What kind of expert is this? I only recognize the undisputed authorities as such: Baranchik, Baranets, and Baranovsky!

[Vyacheslav Boldyrev]

The priest had a dog.
Until we destroy Ukraine together with the West that supports it, we will be hit everywhere and no air defense will fully protect us.
Peskov acknowledged that there is a war going on and that Russia, a nuclear power, must respond to it accordingly, rather than whine and beg for negotiations!
This is already clear even to the children in the crawling group of the kindergarten...

[Idle_piston]

It seems the scales of the trench war are increasingly tipping in Ukraine's favor, or rather, the West's. It's not even a matter of resources, but rather the speed of decision-making. While Ukraine takes one or two nominal steps to resolve the problem, Russia's military-political leadership takes five or six, or even resorts to "pretend nothing is happening and wait for the situation to resolve itself" mode.

[lynnot]

then the military-political leadership of Russia takes five or six steps

And usually, in some arbitrarily chosen direction. I increasingly see the analogy with a duel in a "no holds barred" fight between a sentimental boxer and an MMA fighter, hitting vulnerable and painful spots with everything he has.

[lynnot]

Like, "The border is locked." Since the first UAV attacks of this type, there's been talk of developing airborne detection and control systems, since the distance issue is only a matter of time, but "nothing has happened." This is either criminal negligence or something malicious, especially since the priority targets for their attacks have long been known.

[Vol Dimir]

What, what? They've been talking about this for a year now, from Kazakhstan.

And the incident with the Azerbaijani plane over Grozny—what happened to the plane remains unknown. The drones were launched from Azerbaijan, which is why the plane didn't land in Kaspiysk, but flew to Kazakhstan. Instead of destroying the rigs in the sea near Baku, Putin apologized. Hence Aliyev's impudence.

[ZnachWest]

Those who need to know where it comes from, know.

[Lelik2026]

A large state, capable of building spaceships, nuclear power plants, and nuclear submarines, is wondering where UAVs are launched from instead of tracking these locations and flight routes.