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On the "queues", "cranes", "tit" and "Boeing"

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On the "queues", "cranes", "tit" and "Boeing"Putin’s last commentary on the “Nezalezhnoy” was made by him while he was talking to the country and concerned Ukraine’s entry into the Customs Union. What did the president of Russia say, causing a “storm”, comparable in scale only to the war against TV presenter Ivan Urgant? What offended the "authoritative" "political politician" and "svidomuyu" part of the public?


And he said something that has been known for so long. That the issue of joining the Customs Union should be determined by the Ukrainian people, not Russia, that the benefits of such integration are calculated by the Ukrainian scientific institutions, and that in case of refusal of integration, our country is expected to deindustrialization. As seen nothing new. But the hornet’s nest was disturbed and comments began to fall down. It is a characteristic fact that the authorities, who do not tire of telling their voters about how it “strengthens” its fraternal ties with Russia, and the opposition in this regard came out in a united front. Breast can be said have become to protect European integration.

“You notice that there is no queue in the vehicle! And in the EU there is such a queue! We all understand that good pensions, economic growth is possible only where there is democracy, the protection of human rights. If we want to be in the vehicle, we will be accepted there at least tomorrow. But in the EU, to become a full member, you need at least ten years to fully meet European standards. Therefore, the advantages are evident where they are, ”said Verkhovna Rada deputy Vladimir Oliynyk of PR.

“The benefits from the EU may be greater in the future. And Putin argues according to the principle: die today, not tomorrow. The CU is a bird in the hand, but the EU is a crane in the sky, and it can be more profitable, ”the deputy“ philosopher ”Mikhail Chechetov supported his colleague. What a tit, what a crane? Probably, Mikhail Chechetov so zealously waved his hands in the Verkhovna Rada that a rush of blood to the brain disrupted normal brain activity.

But the words of a prominent opposition figure famously patting the Ukrainian armed forces, former Defense Minister Anatoly Gritsenko: “When I had the choice to buy an old foreign car or a new nine, I chose a foreign car. When our oligarchs - and they are not stupid people - buy planes, they do not buy TU, but Boeings. Being treated go to the West, and not to Russia. See what you yourself buy: what TVs, what equipment ... That's it, there is no Russia. They eat up what remains of the Soviet Union. ” In other words, be equal to the oligarchs!

Now about the "queues", "cranes" and "Boeing", which tempt us "giants of thought." Either because of its limited nature, or because of lack of time, which it completely takes away from some “painting”, and from others “fighting”, “lawmaking” newspapers do not read. Even in translation. It's a pity. Reading activates the work of the gray matter.

What do leading European publications write? In addition to traditional reports on workers' reductions, falling living standards and other charms, the authors point out that the inhabitants of the European Union were seriously disappointed in this project, which is a serious sign of decay.

The journalist of the British newspaper The Guardian, Ian Trainor, in his article “The European Confidence Crisis” describes a dizzying fall in EU confidence in those countries that traditionally supported a common Europe. “The credibility of the European Union in the six largest EU countries has fallen to a historic low, and this makes asking important questions about the democratic legitimacy of this union in the fourth year of its worst crisis,” he writes.

The article presents the data of the European Council on Foreign Relations, the experts of which analyzed the figures of the European Barometer sociological organization. They show a staggering decline in confidence in the EU in countries such as Spain, Germany and Italy, which previously had been very active in advocating for a united Europe. The six countries where the Eurobarometer conducted a sociological study - Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Spain and Poland - are the largest in the EU. They account for more than two thirds of the population of the European Union, that is, 350 of 500 million people.

The most dramatic decline in confidence among the EU countries is noted in Spain, where there is a collapse of the banking sector and the housing market, where unemployment is rampant, and where urgent measures are being taken to save the economy. All of this together led to the fact that 72% of the population “has a tendency not to trust the EU,” and only 20% “has a tendency to trust” the European Union.

If we compare the data on trust / distrust of the EU over the end of last year with indicators 2007 year, when there were no financial crisis began, we see a sharp decline in support for the EU, which is characteristic of Britain, but much less frequently observed on the continent.

In Spain, the EU's credibility over the five-year period has decreased from 65 to 20%, and the level of distrust has increased from 23 to 72 percent.

In five of the six countries, including Britain, the level of mistrust significantly exceeds the level of confidence in the EU, while in the 2007 year everything was the opposite - with the exception of Britain.

Five years ago, 56% Germans were “inclined to trust the EU,” and now in Germany, 59% are “inclined not to trust” the European Union. In France, the degree of distrust rose from 41 to 56 percent. In Italy, where the people's faith in Europe is traditionally higher than that of the class of Italian politicians, the distrust of the EU almost doubled, increasing from 28 to 53 percent.

The author of the article cites the words of Jose Ignacio Torreblanca, head of the Madrid branch of the European Council on Foreign Relations: “The damage is so great that it doesn’t matter where you come from the creditor country, the borrowing country, the euro area member country or from Britain: it became worse all Now citizens think that democracy in their countries has been overthrown and destroyed. ”

Here you have the "tits" with the "cranes" standing in the "queues" for a ticket to the "Boeing". The data cited in the article indicate that a far more terrible crisis is occurring in the EU - this is the crisis of the political legitimacy of the association. Vladimir Putin merely offers an alternative, backing up his words with certain actions that do not go beyond the framework of international treaties and trade agreements. But so far.
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 28 May 2013 06: 37 New
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    The classic phrase is very suitable for this occasion. -Do not want to live well? Do not! wassat
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 28 May 2013 06: 50 New
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      It is not the first time in Ukraine that oligarchs betray the people, give people false goals, and bring the country to poverty. But earlier, when it became unbearable, Bogdan Khmelnitsky appeared.
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 28 May 2013 07: 23 New
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        The main thing is that the next new Bender does not appear.
        1. Apostle
          Apostle 28 May 2013 14: 06 New
          +5
          Already appeared ... and not himself ...
          1. Apostle
            Apostle 28 May 2013 14: 10 New
            +3
            And here comes the UPA, ideological imitators under the flags of his party ...
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 28 May 2013 23: 54 New
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              Gentlemen, comrades, brothers and sisters, my friends appeal to you! Kh.okhly and m.oskali are the peoples of the brothers who were, are and will be! Do not confuse and do not offend them by their kinship with the "Westerners" - the Galicians who support VO "Svoboda", these last Nazi bastards from the SS men from the Nazi guard in Galicia, mercenaries from the special battalions of the Abwehr "Nachtigall" named after S. Bandera and "Roland" named after E. Konovalets and S. Petlyura, and the Bandera population friendly to the troops of the Third Reich, acting under the slogan "There is no God but Bandera, and Tyagnibok is his prophet."
          2. MG42
            MG42 28 May 2013 22: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Apostle
            Already appeared ... and not himself ...

            Tyagnibok is somewhat similar to one character ..
      2. Valery-SPB
        Valery-SPB 28 May 2013 09: 51 New
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        And then his son Yuri!
      3. valokordin
        valokordin 28 May 2013 10: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        and it’s not the first time that Ukraine has betrayed the oligarchs to the people, give the people false goals, and bring the country to poverty. But earlier, when it became unbearable, Bogdan Khmelnitsky appeared.

        That's it, but our oligarchs and the government that serves them does the same. What are our leading airlines flying on? How was the Russian aircraft industry killed?
        If our capitalist bastards took care of the fatherland, then the Ukrainians would take an example from us, but they already take an example from us.
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        so that the next new Bender does not appear.

        But Styopa is already there, before he was called Stepan Cholera. There he is, there is a son of a bitch and his natsik Tyagnibok.
        1. astra
          astra 28 May 2013 13: 01 New
          +7
          They go to the West for treatment, and not to Russia.

          And for the most part they go to work in Russia. If Ukraine joins the EU, Russia will be forced to introduce visas and many restrictions, and those Ukrainian citizens who worked in Russia will not be able to go to work in Russia, I don’t think that Europeans are waiting for Ukrainians with open hands, they themselves have unemployment. Even the Poles can’t settle in Europe everywhere. So the choice is only in the TS that everyone benefits from this.
          1. edge
            edge 28 May 2013 15: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: astra
            I do not think that in Europe Ukrainians are waiting with open hands

            on the contrary, Geyrope needs new ones .... py, for starters, and then meat to fight Arab-Negro-Turks ....
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 28 May 2013 23: 51 New
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              There is no independent Ukraine long ago. In Ukraine, there are independent economic clans that are bickering among themselves, and people are thrown into a social dump. The army, as “a part of the state’s armed forces intended for large-scale military (combat) operations, against an external adversary”, does not exist in fact - there is a collection of undergrowths in the amount equal to the personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (!), With hopelessly outdated overall and weight mock-ups of military equipment and weapons of the USSR. That is what Ukraine is today.
              Ukrainians themselves must create and implement democratic standards in their efforts and work, and not with the help of a warder from Brussels or Washington. In addition, all the principles of a real high-quality judicial system and the rule of law are already written down in the Constitution of Ukraine, but the Constitution is not implemented, they steal, the principles of the rule of law do not work, and the judicial system does not understand what it is all about when they talk about its independence. And if the Basic Law does not work in the country, then all the additional treaties adopted under the leadership of the Europeans will not change anything.
              And Ukraine needs to make a decision on economic integration, taking into account the exceptional economic benefits that Ukraine will receive from its participation in the CU, and not against the hysterical spells of the opposition convincing itself of Europeanization for money grants that they receive from non-governmental funds of European and p-Indian oligarchs and corporations.
          2. wax
            wax 28 May 2013 16: 09 New
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            They go to the West for treatment, and not to Russia.

            And for the most part they go to work in Russia.

            Some people go to get treatment (but the adherents of the EU don’t disclose how much they have to pay), while others, the majority, who have no money for treatment in the EU countries and even to (in) Ukraine, go to Russia to work, and by the way for money treated from any country.
          3. MG42
            MG42 28 May 2013 22: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: astra
            Yu. If Ukraine joins the EU, Russia will be forced to introduce visas and many restrictions and those citizens of Ukraine who worked in Russia

            Yes, it will not enter until there is an appropriate level of European standards to which it is far, the agreement on association and a free trade zone is max.
            Quote: astra
            Even the Poles can’t be attached everywhere in Europe.

            Polish plumbers are repairing urinals in Germany, and Ukrainian ones in Poland are the future and the present .. After the last enlargement of the EU at the expense of Bulgaria and especially Romania, they cannot digest it, but about record unemployment in Spain and Greece, Italy is also not far ..
          4. DuraLexSedLex.
            DuraLexSedLex. 29 May 2013 00: 28 New
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            Their rulers shout out loud that we don’t need to go, we don’t need visas. Borders, and no WORKING visas for citizens of Ukraine, tourist currents. And everything.
    2. AKOL
      AKOL 28 May 2013 06: 54 New
      +2
      Well yes. Another popular wisdom says that you can’t be forgiven forcibly, only people are sorry, well-fed because they don’t understand the hungry.
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 28 May 2013 14: 21 New
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        Quote: AKOL
        that's just a pity people

        Why is it a pity? He, the people, does not want to go to Russia, he wants to the EU. This is their choice. Otherwise, a riot has long been raised.
        1. Apostle
          Apostle 28 May 2013 14: 43 New
          +2
          Can you tell me where to start, but Che Guevara ???
        2. anton107798
          anton107798 28 May 2013 18: 25 New
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          Quote: Ustas
          weight. This is their choice. Otherwise, a riot has long been raised



          You are absolutely right! and This is confirmed by a sociological survey here it is -

          http://www.razumkov.org.ua/ukr/poll.php?poll_id=865

          who does not know Ukrainian - yellow highlighted column on the EU
          1. anton107798
            anton107798 28 May 2013 18: 55 New
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            Well, there was someone with incontinence, with negative diarrhea.
            Less for what? For information? So I didn’t come up with it, but it’s obvious that it’s tight on the head and minus it.
          2. Lankov Victor
            Lankov Victor 28 May 2013 22: 33 New
            +1
            Dear Anton, in Russia I do not believe the polls of the Levada Center and other devotees. Are you sure that the survey results for your link were not made to order?
            1. anton107798
              anton107798 28 May 2013 23: 55 New
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              Quote: Lankov Victor
              Lankov Victor



              not a levada center. and the Ukrainian Center for Economic and Political Studies named after Alexander Razumkov
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 28 May 2013 07: 09 New
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      Good morning to all of you, including Ruslan. hi

      It is no secret that the crisis in Europe has embraced not only political and moral spheres, but also the economies of the countries belonging to the eurozone. So where, in what Eurozone is Ukraine striving ?! winked
      Europe has already exhausted itself. lol
      I would like to give an example with regard to Turkey. For many years, and more precisely, for decades, the country tried to reach out. As a result, it remained behind the threshold. What do you think has lost something, absolutely not. Moreover, Europe itself has developed and lost in the end. GDP surpasses. The country is developing rapidly and is establishing economic ties with Russia and other SCO countries. There will come a time when other European countries will join the queue for establishing economic ties with Russia, on the basis of the CU.
      I think the oligarchs are to blame for everything. Yanukovych should have fingernails all of them so that they don’t get into politics and don't get underfoot. Although, in my opinion, it’s sucked up, it’s such a dependency that it’s unlikely that you can do anything yourself. Question to the comrades from Ukraine when the next presidential election or the second option could suit impeachment ?! wassat
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 28 May 2013 07: 14 New
        +9
        Hi Apollo hi
        Quote: Apollon
        Yanukovych should have all of them to the nail so that they do not go into politics and do not get underfoot

        We would have even less confused under the feet of the same figures how much easier it would become good So we have not 37 year am
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 28 May 2013 07: 23 New
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          Quote: Ruslan67
          So we have not 37 year


          that's why they steal, they are not afraid of either the devil or God. One landing of Serdyukov will immediately solve a lot of issues.

          1. All other thieves will stand at attention.
          2. Will be a lesson to others.
          3: Raise Putin's image to unprecedented heights.
          4. And finally, the jontrivolta will calm down, and then I got it, already laughing
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 28 May 2013 07: 29 New
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            Quote: Apollon
            .All the other thieves will stand at attention.

            Well, to hell with us crowd thug standing at attention? what Shouting in chorus, serving the working people? wassat
            Quote: Apollon
            finally, the jontrivolta will finally calm down, and then I got it, already

            Apollo! do not offend the wretched - also part of the ecology laughing
            1. OTTO
              OTTO 28 May 2013 13: 39 New
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              Quote: Ruslan67
              Well, to hell with us crowd thug standing at attention?

              To build a column with a drill line to go to the logging ...
              1. starpom
                starpom 28 May 2013 19: 58 New
                +6
                Quote: OTTO
                To build a column with a drill line to go to the logging ...

                Why do you want to build a steppe from Siberia?
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      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 07: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        I think that the oligarchs are to blame for everything. Yanukovych should have fingernails them so that they do not get into politics and do not get underfoot.

        By the way, there was a line on TV that Ukraine would create a representative office of the CU or enter into it, so plainly did not understand what was happening.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 28 May 2013 07: 23 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          , so I really didn’t understand what was happening.

          In the meantime, do not request something official will appear then we will discuss
        2. seller trucks
          seller trucks 28 May 2013 09: 52 New
          +2
          Yes, everything is very simple, Ukraine will act as an observer in the CU, the observer does not vote, and the observer does not have any specific rights that the participants have i.e. why do they need it I don’t understand
          Medvedev: "It is obvious that a member of the Customs Union and the future Eurasian Economic Union can only be a state that has accepted and ratified all documents of the CU and the Economic Union. Everything else is not membership."

          Ukraine, as always, is trying to sit in the back seat on two chairs, it was specifically made clear to it that either in the EU in ... years and that’s not a fact, or in the Customs Union here and now, well, as the master gentleman says, I doubt that these ... Ukraine will live for many years, at least in the current composition
        3. Egoza
          Egoza 28 May 2013 16: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          so I really didn’t understand what was happening.

          Ukraine is going to be an "observer at the Customs Union". Those. attend meetings, view documents, without the right to vote. However, "this will give an opportunity to see how profitable the vehicle is." As I understand it, the oligarchs will not be too tight, what will they demand, etc. Since the 3 + 1 scheme does not work, then at least so calm your voters who want to join the EU. and then the PR ratings have crawled downward.
          1. MG42
            MG42 28 May 2013 21: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            then at least soothe their voters who want in the EU. and even so much PR ratings crawled down.

            Here the PR will not gain much votes = this is not their electorate ...
      3. Garrin
        Garrin 28 May 2013 09: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        I think the oligarchs are to blame for everything. Yanukovych should have all of them fingernail so that they do not get into politics and do not get underfoot

        There is a slightly different situation. Rather, Yanukovych gets confused under the feet of the oligarchs than they have with him.
        1. MG42
          MG42 28 May 2013 21: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Garrin
          Rather, Yanukovych gets confused under the feet of the oligarchs than they have with him.

          On the contrary, the family is pushing the business. the last example with Kolomoisky and his airline, as well as the Yaroslavl football club and stadium, etc., about the small ones in general massively .. everywhere they rule Donetsk .. judges, regional prosecutors, etc. Donetsk registration = career guarantee.
      4. edge
        edge 28 May 2013 15: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        I think the oligarchs are to blame

        of course, where lies the loot? Who wants to lose it? You need to make sure that they do not take it away; otherwise, you will remain impoverished in the moment - just the hostages are financial ... where they will be shown)
    4. avt
      avt 28 May 2013 10: 09 New
      +8
      Quote: Ruslan67
      The classic phrase is very suitable for this occasion. -Do not want to live well? Do not!

      To paraphrase a proverb in the light of the Geyvrop choice - a titmouse is better in the hands than a woodpecker in ... well, we can say with confidence that the Ukrainian leadership chooses a woodpecker for itself and its country. Well what request , we will respect the non-blocking choice of non-blocking ones. They live with it.
      1. MG42
        MG42 28 May 2013 22: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: avt
        To paraphrase a proverb in the light of the geyvropskogo choice - a titmouse is better in the hands than a woodpecker

        laughing good
        Quote: avt
        Well, we will respect the independent choice of independent

        Nezalezhnosti = this is when from the Ukrainian, which lives on the principle of "I don't know anything about a house on the edge!" rallies 2 UAH / people with a flag, today they bawl for some, tomorrow for others ..
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 06: 44 New
    +4
    Clearly, it means Ukraine wants to stand in line for ten years with the prospect of not occupying us. And not the fact that everyone will be opened laughing
    Allegarchs travel to Europe and advertise to ordinary citizens that they are not expensive, how wonderful it is. A country of sorrow from the mind laughing
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 28 May 2013 06: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Ukraine wants to stand in line for ten years with the prospect of not occupying us

      So some in the Gayropeysky Union will also yell -You did not stand here !!! negative wassat
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 06: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: Ruslan67
        -You did not stand here!

        Soon they will not shout, but simply run away from him. The Third Reich lasted 12 years, which means that the fourth will soon have an Amba hi
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 28 May 2013 07: 04 New
          +5
          Oh don’t compare the third Reich with this. I don’t even know how to explain that Smirnov wouldn’t ban wassat It’s probably true that history repeats itself twice — once in the form of tragedy. crying another time as farce fellow
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 07: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Oh don’t compare the third Reich with this. I don’t even know how to explain that Smirnov wouldn’t ban

            Why banned, everything within the framework of the EU = GAY UNION laughing
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 28 May 2013 07: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              EU = GAY UNION

              I have this phrase in my head at least five times longer wassat
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 May 2013 07: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                I have this phrase in my head

                You think in my head, but it seemed to me in ..... laughing
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 28 May 2013 08: 40 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You think in my head, but it seemed to me in .....

                  Well it depends on the time zone wassat it's not always the same repeat
    2. Kolya
      Kolya 28 May 2013 07: 45 New
      +1
      The Samostiyniki therefore got angry because they would not be asking them, but the people.
    3. alicante11
      alicante11 28 May 2013 10: 39 New
      +2
      In-in, if we had something advertised by the oligarchs, so people would think that this is anti-advertising.
  3. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 28 May 2013 06: 51 New
    +9
    But in the EU, to become a full member, you need at least ten years to fully ensure European standards

    While the grass grows up the horse will die of hunger.
    After 10 years, there will be no EU and Svidomo non-sluggers will remain with nothing but deindustrialization.
  4. annenkov242
    annenkov242 28 May 2013 06: 56 New
    +7
    The author said softly, about the rush of "blood in the head", no, probably - urine functions there.
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts 28 May 2013 07: 10 New
    +7
    One would like to ask, how many residents of independent Ukraine fly on Boeings for treatment in the EU?
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 28 May 2013 15: 53 New
      +1
      I would forbid these bastards, at the legislative level, to receive medical care anywhere except my country!
  6. Belogor
    Belogor 28 May 2013 07: 11 New
    +4
    What else could be expected. The TC is absolutely not suitable for Ukrainian oligarchs, and they will join the EU for a long time, so the oligarchy can do it. And what the deputies from different parties say and voice the media is an empty phrase, they have such a job.
  7. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 28 May 2013 07: 24 New
    +1
    Lord Educate your children and instruct the TRUE TRUE!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 28 May 2013 07: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      Lord Educate your children and instruct the TRUE TRUE!



      Yeah, right now. Only the bunks will reason. Such people don’t believe in anything.
  8. fenix57
    fenix57 28 May 2013 07: 35 New
    +5
    I would like to congratulate all the servicemen of the Border Troops, all of those serving and serving at the frontier! drinks soldier
    Quote: Ruslan67
    The classic phrase is very suitable for this occasion. -Do not want to live well? Do not

    Take a look at the photo ... You can understand who the petitioner is, but there is a text.see
    http://news.kremlin.ru/news/18195
  9. pensioner
    pensioner 28 May 2013 07: 41 New
    +5
    It’s a pity, of course, to lose Ukraine, but it seems that we are diverging further and further ... Moreover, the generation trained on Russophobic textbooks will soon grow up. We must get used to living with all this (but squeeze Sevastopol quietly). Well, to equip the border.
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 28 May 2013 07: 55 New
      +9
      You can’t surrender Ukraine! There at least half are our people! Ukrainians simply lost hope, got confused. They were told by pro-Russian Yanukovych, but turned out to be a gangster and now he is also pulling to Europe.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 28 May 2013 09: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Kohl
        Ukrainians simply lost hope, got confused. They were told by pro-Russian Yanukovych, but turned out to be a gangster and now he is also pulling to Europe.

        They don't really resist. Look at the power and influence the fascists from "freedom" acquired there.
        1. Patton5
          Patton5 28 May 2013 16: 04 New
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          write less nonsense!
      2. Patton5
        Patton5 28 May 2013 16: 00 New
        +5
        They simply don’t believe anyone already! I consider the experiment called Ukraine to be unsuccessful, I propose to close the project due to futility !!!!!
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 28 May 2013 09: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: retired
      In addition, the generation trained on Russophobic textbooks will soon grow up. We must get used to living with all this (but squeeze Sevastopol quietly). Well, to equip the border.

      It has already grown and, by the way, a considerable number of representatives of this generation are present at our forum.
      And about Sevastopol, you are absolutely right.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 28 May 2013 16: 19 New
        +4
        this is a great merit of Russia, politics, or rather its absence in relation to ukraine. why do the Russian authorities appeal to the power of the border state? Why do I need to prove to me a Russian person who is not of his own free will in a foreign country that I am Russian to anyone who has come from the "middle lane"? You have accepted this and have already got used to the idea that we are different
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 28 May 2013 10: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: retired
      It’s a pity, of course, to lose Ukraine, but it seems that we are diverging further and further ...


      but why did you decide that someone is renting Ukraine? unless it has entered somewhere, the EU has a vague prospect, since this year NATO has paid access to the WTO (discussed), so they themselves are not happy that they have entered, the last scandal:
      The scandal surrounding Ukraine’s intention to revise tariff obligations within the framework of the World Trade Organization may lead to the death of the WTO, as its basic principles are violated. This was announced by the Government Commissioner for European Integration Valery Pyatnitsky, writes ZN.UA.

      Commenting on the US and EU protests against Ukraine increasing duties on 371 products, the official noted that WTO rules do not contain any requirements or restrictions on the number of tariff lines that can be reviewed.

      http://rus.newsru.ua/finance/07mar2013/vtoghj.html

      so, "Sha! Nobody's going anywhere anymore." Unfortunately, Ukrainians do not want to believe in this. "Cenzer, is getting rich with a thought"
    4. edge
      edge 28 May 2013 15: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: retired
      (but squeeze Sevastopol quietly)

      to return their territories (Crimea, and Novorossia), otherwise the Turks will tuck in there, by the way they legislatively secured the right to return these territories. Non-reliable people probably want to completely milk the country and dump it, leaving complete devastation.
  10. family tree
    family tree 28 May 2013 07: 42 New
    +4
    If the vehicle is a tit in the hands, then, the EU is not a fig, a crane, more like a duck, the one under the bed and the nurse will not come.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 28 May 2013 10: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: perepilka
      EU no damn crane
      It feels like the EU is not a crane in the sky, but a woodpecker behind the wall. Roar around the clock and only trash flies ...
  11. Suhov
    Suhov 28 May 2013 08: 07 New
    +8
    Where did this choice come from: either the EU or the CU?
    Monologue from the film "Brother-2" directed by Alexei Balabanov:
    "- And where is your homeland, son? Gorbachev handed over your homeland to the Americans in order to hang out beautifully. And now your homeland has 2 wars and the Crimea has been fucked up. ... Today the motherland is where the ass is warmand you know it better than me! "
    The above monologue explains the behavior of a significant part of the citizens and republics of the former USSR.
    Explains, but does not justify.
    Blessed memory to Alexei Balabanov!
  12. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 28 May 2013 08: 26 New
    +4
    I talked the other day on skype with my sister (she has lived in Tallinn all her life). Politics have touched. He says that Estonians used to dislike the Russians, and now they also dislike the European Union, because in addition to free movement in Europe, he didn’t give them anything at all. And with the transition to the euro, it got even worse.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 28 May 2013 08: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      He says that Estonians used to dislike the Russians, and now they also dislike the European Union.

      Does the European Union like Estonians? I am not in the sense of eroticism, but the type of Estonians in Europe is respected? Or how?
      Well, where we do not!
      As soon as we appear there - F * pa comes!
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 28 May 2013 09: 52 New
        +3
        Not. She covers ...
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 28 May 2013 12: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Sukhov
          As soon as we appear there - F * pa comes!

          No, it’s just that you have to sit exactly on your own and not climb into someone else’s. The EU is also a different audience. Well-off are wealthy Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands, or impoverished Poles with balts and incense breathing Greeks. All these old-timers of geyropov need all kinds of Young Europeans only as raw materials appendages and sources of cheap labor, somewhat more civilized than the inhabitants of countries, the so-called third world and closer than the same Chinese.
  13. sxn278619
    sxn278619 28 May 2013 09: 47 New
    +2
    Turkey should be attracted to the CU, it will be more useful.
  14. Skavron
    Skavron 28 May 2013 09: 49 New
    +4
    that good pensions, economic growth is possible only where there is democracy, the protection of human rights.

    good pensions and economic growth, where smart patriots rule, not family
    only families of all kinds in Ukraine divorced, even though you eat them. And each tearing a blanket over itself.
    And not in the TS or EU matter.
    1. Oleg
      Oleg 28 May 2013 18: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Skavron
      that good pensions, economic growth is possible only where there is democracy, the protection of human rights.

      good pensions and economic growth, where smart patriots rule, not family
      only families of all kinds in Ukraine divorced, even though you eat them. And each tearing a blanket over itself.
      And not in the TS or EU matter.

      I agree with you a hundred percent!
  15. Vtel
    Vtel 28 May 2013 09: 59 New
    +2
    But in the EU, to become full memberit takes at least ten years,

    And then this member of Western puppeteers will turn as they like. They need it.
  16. kind
    kind 28 May 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    Yes, let them join the EU, only then let them not yell that Russia is to blame for everything.
  17. Vital 33
    Vital 33 28 May 2013 11: 18 New
    0
    The President believes that the Customs Union is inevitable for Ukraine

    Ukraine can not get around the Customs Union, because it has a number of economic benefits
    This was during a live broadcast on ICTV channel said the head of the Main Directorate for International Relations of the Presidential Administration Andriy Goncharuk, commenting on the meeting of the Presidents of Ukraine and Russia in Sochi.In addition, he explained that Viktor Yanukovych met precisely with Russian President Vladimir Putin, because Russia is a leader in the Customs Union. However, the head of the AP department noted that Yanukovych also met with other colleagues from the CU countries.Recall Sunday, May 26 President Viktor Yanukovych met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi. However, it is not known what the presidents talked about for 5 hours. According to some Ukrainian media, it was about the privatization of the gas transportation system and the creation of a gas transportation consortium on the terms of Gazprom.

    According to the Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Eduard Stavitsky, on May 27, the Cabinet expects positive agreements on the use of the domestic gas transportation system following the meeting of the presidents. At the same time, the Russian ambassador to Ukraine does not exclude the possibility of holding yet another bilateral meeting between Putin and Yanukovych in Astana, where a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council will be held on May 28-29.


    So to mine the issue has already been practically resolved.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 28 May 2013 12: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Vital 33
      So to mine the issue has already been practically resolved.


      eh, if everything was so simple, in Ukraine the media belonging to the oligarchs launched a full-scale war against joining the CU:

      “Joining the Customs Union will forever close Ukraine’s road to Europe and the country will be outside the abstract“ European values ​​”
      “In case of entry into the Customs Union, payments received by Ukrainian customs will be redistributed in favor of Russia”
      “If Ukraine joins the TS-CES, Ukraine will lose economic sovereignty”
      “TS-CES is a way to a technological dead end for Ukraine”
      “The entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union will lead to an increase in domestic prices”

      Arseniy Yatsenyuk expressed about the Customs Union even before the parliamentary elections: "We have three" No ":" No "- to the Customs Union," No "- to the military bloc and" No "- to the Russian as the second state in my country," he said, speaking at the 9th Yalta Annual Meeting.

      so there won’t be a simple introduction, we’ll see
      1. Vital 33
        Vital 33 28 May 2013 12: 59 New
        +2
        Well, the controlled media are just escalating the situation. Here you have to look at the actions and statements of officials ... Yanyk has already made a choice, and is simply trying to "stretch" everything softer so that there is no "kipish". He simply has no choice if he wants to stay in power, he only has to go to the TS, to the “club of eternal presidents”. But ruling a poor country is also not an option, and it dawned on him that in an alliance with Russia, Ukraine has more chances for a normal life. Besides, hell knows when they will be accepted to Europe ... if they finally accept))). And most of the people (in my opinion) are still for an alliance with the Russian Federation ...
      2. wax
        wax 28 May 2013 16: 19 New
        0
        For three "no", naturally there are three "yes": yes - to the EU, yes - to the military bloc (NATO), yes - to English as the state language. Something like this?
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 28 May 2013 16: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: seller trucks
        Arseniy Yatsenyuk expressed about the Customs Union even before the parliamentary elections: "We have three" No ":" No "- to the Customs Union," No "- to the military bloc and" No "- to the Russian as the second state in my country," he said, speaking at the 9th Yalta Annual Meeting.
        They say rabbits also suffer rabies ... request
    2. wax
      wax 28 May 2013 16: 16 New
      +1
      Gannushka was very old, now in order to get married she also needed a dowry of treb.
    3. Oleg
      Oleg 28 May 2013 18: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Vital 33
      So to mine the issue has already been practically resolved.

      Only through parliament Rygam does not stretch it, they do not have a normal majority ...
  18. Begemot
    Begemot 28 May 2013 12: 33 New
    +3
    It is time for Ukraine to determine who it is, then it will be clear with whom it is. Today, Ukraine is an inferior and failed state, like a free-will, not Cossack, but oligarch-nationalist - Western. Not so long ago there was a good article by a Ukrainian author on the site that Ukraine can exist as a pseudo-independent state only in confrontation with Russia, because they are one and only confrontation with Russia allows Ukrainian leaders (but not the people) to consider their country independent.
  19. runway
    runway 28 May 2013 13: 07 New
    0
    Why are we losing allies?
    Yes, because in the heads of our hands of leaders in the first place are completely different combinations. We are retreating. Our people, for various reasons, who ended up in these countries, are in fact left to their own devices (fates?). The hackneyed horror story about the European crisis does not work (we have been in a crisis for a long time, and we can’t get out of it - as it was for 40 rubles, it remains). Yes, let it cost 50, if only our country would develop and grow stronger. But no, just as we were in terms of development indicators at the level of backward African countries, we compete with them. How can we attract other countries? How can we help them to raise their economy and people's living standards? Today, when the share of imports is about 80 percent, to talk about it - only make people laugh.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 28 May 2013 16: 19 New
      0
      I agree! It is necessary for the old guard, past the war and sincerely devoted to the Motherland, to call for help, at least as "gray cardinals".

      Still, we did not create the borders of the state, and it’s not for us to squander them, but what if Vladimir Ilyich leaves the Mausoleum, and we tell him what? Say, did not save? Squandered?

      No! Here we need the experience of the fighting old people! Organization of cohesion of defense, slowdown of the offensive of a western competitor, establishment of long-term lines and communications, and preparation for a counterattack and victory on all fronts from the Baltic to Ukrainian!
  20. ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 28 May 2013 13: 52 New
    +1
    ".... good pensions, economic growth is possible only where there is democracy, protection of human rights." That is, it turns out that there is no democracy in Ukraine, they built, built for 25 years, and never built. And if they did, then where are the good pensions and economic growth? Ukrainian politicians do not have a lot of logic. Then it would be better to join Qatar as an enclave, they have pensions and growth and a lot, a lot of tasty "democracy".
  21. Makarov
    Makarov 28 May 2013 15: 09 New
    +3
    how the Ukrainian politicians infuriate me ... even when the president handed the country's football cup to Shakhtar, I felt disgusted ... I don't even know why ... not specifically from the personality of the president, but in principle from the policy of a weak and strange "government "... in one word - s..b..i
  22. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 28 May 2013 16: 10 New
    +2
    An interesting point. Are Ukrainians ruling in Ukraine?

    After all, Russia wants to see Ukraine as a member of the CU, as one indivisible state, as it is now. But the EEC?

    An example of Yugoslavia, or, to a lesser extent, Czechoslovakia, or a very recent example of Moldova, as well as an example of the loss of its underwater territory in favor of Romania, under pressure from the EU, which is completely "native" for Ukraine?

    Maybe there are bigger dinosaurs and older and more cunning than the selfish ones? And with your own, do not say, and you will fight, but you will always remain yourself.
  23. klev72
    klev72 28 May 2013 16: 18 New
    0
    I have an uncle with cousins ​​living in Ukraine, but I would like not to invite this country to the Customs Union, beckoning a carrot, but to put a number of harsh conditions. Let 10 years build their country, politics, economy to our standards. Let this step be the goal of all citizens. I wish them well.
  24. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 28 May 2013 16: 36 New
    +3
    I like the firmness of the Russian leadership towards Ukraine. And then the invaders fed, and fed all, let them now live on an equal footing, without handouts. And reasonably, and for everyone is useful.
  25. zasxdcfvv
    zasxdcfvv 28 May 2013 17: 49 New
    0
    In the future, the CU is a direct competitor to the EU, as well as to other unions. Here Europeans are trying to weaken the future competitor.
    1. Oleg
      Oleg 28 May 2013 18: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: zasxdcfvv
      In the future, the CU is a direct competitor to the EU, as well as to other unions. Here Europeans are trying to weaken the future competitor.

      Do not make me laugh laughing
  26. Larus
    Larus 28 May 2013 18: 12 New
    +1
    While the oligarchy travels through the geyropan, the people of the outskirts already bypassed all the roads in Russia and for some reason they didn’t stop on the outskirts after the holidays, but went to work with us again. Our oligarchs have been living there for a long time and earn here, because all conditions have been created for them here. to robbing the population, otherwise there is no way to call those conditions and those prices that we observe.
    The only thing that’s bad is that someone will manage to slip into their foreign mansions, but I hope a righteous court will get them there too.
  27. knn54
    knn54 28 May 2013 20: 59 New
    +1
    Nobody is waiting for Ukraine, in the EU and without us there are enough beggars.
    Economic benefits are not visible, but there are no human, moral grounds at all.
    And the Yankes will do their best to bring down their "white" competitor.
  28. Semurg
    Semurg 28 May 2013 21: 10 New
    0
    Ukraine in the European Union and NATO is the Trojan horse of Russia laughing
  29. Boricello
    Boricello 28 May 2013 21: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Larus
    Don't laugh

    And nobody is going to make anyone laugh. The EU example is nowhere brighter. Only the strongest survive there. But countries with weak economies (note that weak in terms of the EU), please ... crash and poverty .... You do not have to go far. Greece, Portugal, Spain, etc., etc. ... Or gentlemen, Ukrainians believe that their economy is more developed than the Spanish or Italian? .... Well, well. Your national pride (not pride) will lead you to collapse. Although Ukraine, my Kazakhstan reminds me. At us, too, everyone is trying all of them .... only at the end we fool ourselves. And Ukraine has a sales history probably one of the most extensive. We always thought under whom to lie better ...
  30. Ziksura
    Ziksura 28 May 2013 21: 24 New
    +1
    "Look what you buy yourself: what TVs, what equipment ... That's it, there is no Russia. They are eating up what is left of the Soviet Union." laughing laughing laughing laughing
    This is what people rule Ukraine !!!!!!!!! At least they themselves understand what they say !!!!! Here at the most primitive, everyday level !!!!!! That is not too lazy and looked around him in the house. And what I see. All household appliances in the house: SONI, Ponasonic, Samsung, LG ..... I am sure, practically the same in Europe and Ukraine. laughing laughing laughing So everyone has an Asian choice repeat lol lol tongue That's by their logic like that. And by the way, all the equipment of the Russian assembly.

    Went to continue celebrating Border Guard Day drinks
  31. MG42
    MG42 28 May 2013 21: 31 New
    +1
    But Putin argues according to the principle: die today, not tomorrow. The TS is a tit in the hand, but the EU is a crane in the sky, and it can be more profitable, ”deputy philosopher Mikhail Chechetov supported his colleague. What a tit, what a crane? Probably Mikhail Chechetov waved his hands so hard in the Verkhovna Rada that a rush of blood to the brain disrupted normal brain activity.

    It’s especially not worth referring to Chechetkin, he changes his point of view wherever the wind blows and very often the opposite ..
  32. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 29 May 2013 02: 24 New
    +1
    If we want to in the vehicle, then we will be accepted there at least tomorrow. But in the EU, to become a full member, you need at least ten years to fully ensure European standards (quote) yeah! what to get into the current EU geyop you always need to become a FULL MEMBER to ensure all its European standards laughing laughing good luck !!