"Criminal" against violators

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"Criminal" against violators

Recently, photographs have appeared on the Internet showing our Su-57 fighter with unusual weapons in the form of missiles short-range air-to-air missiles, as well as something resembling a previously unseen targeting pod. The community on the other side, as expected, went wild and began speculating.

We can't say for sure, but this may be the first time we've seen a Su-57 equipped to fight Ukrainian drones-kamikazes and cruise missiles, which now pose a constant threat to air defense systems, penetrating deeper into Russian territory.



The photos, admittedly, are more than a little odd. Both photos show the Su-57 from behind, inside a large shelter. Some believe they were taken from TikTok; they show teenagers posing next to the fighter, and one of them is even inside the cockpit, suggesting some kind of unofficial (or perhaps official) tour of the military base.



So, two photographs, the source of which is unclear, depict an Su-57 with a pair of R-73/R-74 short-range air-to-air missiles mounted on pylons under the wings. One of these photographs also shows a device under the left engine nacelle, which American experts have dubbed a "targeting cockpit."

The photos spread across the internet, and some experts immediately assumed they were the Su-57's anti-drone configuration. While this seems the most likely, other possibilities shouldn't be ruled out, including the Su-57's participation in some kind of new testing. weapons or equipment. This, admittedly, is normal practice. On the other hand, it's unusual to see the Su-57 carrying short-range air-to-air missiles on an external sling. After all, the aircraft has internal bays designed specifically for this purpose—accommodating a wide variety of missiles.


A pre-production Su-57. Weapon bays in the wing roots are visible behind the engine intakes.

At least this configuration is optimized for close-range combat, which is necessary to combat Ukrainian drones- long-range kamikazes and, increasingly, cruise missiles. And we won't deny the possibility of such a configuration.

Also worth noting is the large shelter housing the Su-57. Apparently, it's the same type as the one installed at the airfield in Akhtubinsk, Astrakhan Oblast. This effectively answers the question(s) about the ability of Russia's dispersed and heavily attacked air defenses to counter Ukrainian drone penetration, as well as the ability to protect its own aircraft.

Let's not deny that almost all of these assets were located in the open without any shelter at the start of the conflict. After a considerable amount of time and a significant number of losses, we finally began to address this problem, first extending it to our long-range bomber fleet, and then continuing to build shelters at other airfields.

Overall, the Su-57 is a very valuable, one might even say "win-win" asset for the Russian Aerospace Forces. Its value lies in the fact that it is just as well suited to countering drones and cruise missiles as it is to combat conventional aircraft.


The number of Su-57s in production configuration in the Russian arsenal is known to be limited. As of early 2023, Russia had only about 12 production Su-57s in service, along with fewer than a dozen pre-production and prototype models, none of which were intended for combat. Since then, the number of production "Ugolovniks" has increased, but not significantly, as Russia is believed to be prioritizing the production of cheaper and simpler fighters, such as the Su-35S.


The scale of the Su-57's involvement in Russia's conflict in Ukraine is difficult to assess. But overall, it's clear that the superiority the Su-35 possesses and utilizes is less costly than the superiority the Su-57 can realize.

What's on the other side: the UK Ministry of Defence stated that Su-57s have been used in Ukraine "since at least June 2022." Good for them. But before this announcement, there were periodic reports of the Su-57 being used to carry out strikes from a safe distance, consistent with the tactics of other Russian aircraft participating in similar missions, avoiding the airspace over Ukraine itself, where there are many SAM systems on the ground.

And that's normal. It's incredibly stupid to send a brand-new, expensive aircraft and an equally expensive and valuable pilot into the reach of anti-aircraft missiles. What can I say, even Israel and the US wouldn't send their F-35s to be slaughtered by Iranian SAMs, and God himself has commanded us not to do so.

Therefore, there's nothing particularly unique about the Su-57 operating from a safe environment. For this purpose, the fighter can be armed with the Kh-69 stealth cruise missile, designed to destroy small, fortified targets at a range of over 300 kilometers. The Su-57 also carries the Kh-58UShK anti-radiation missile with a maximum range of up to 250 km, depending on launch parameters.

Meanwhile, it is worth remembering that the Su-57 has very impressive capabilities in the air-to-air class.

The most unpleasant thing for the enemy is that the 57th is armed with an R-37M air-to-air missile with a range of 300 km, as well as an R-77-1 air-to-air missile with a range of 110 km at a very impressive speed of 4-5 Mach, which in some scenarios are also capable of hitting Ukrainian aircraft “across the border”.

The use of high-end fifth-generation fighters or similar aircraft (such as the Su-35S) to counter enemy drones and cruise missiles is not unique to Russia. The US and Israeli militaries have used their F-35 squadrons to combat similar threats in the Middle East. The only question is effectiveness.

The Su-57 is the only Russian fighter with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) that is available in any significant quantity.

The N036 radar, which has five separate antenna arrays, is part of a wider integrated fire control system that includes the 101KS electro-optical complex, the Parol friend-or-foe identification system and the L402 electronic countermeasure system.


One of the additional side radar antennas is clearly visible under the "keel line" under the aerial refueling boom.

AESA radars are generally much better at detecting drones and cruise missiles. Any type of AESA radar offers significant advantages for modern combat aircraft. Compared to traditional mechanically scanned array technology, AESA can detect and track targets at much greater ranges, faster, and with greater accuracy. This also applies to smaller threats, including those with limited radar signatures or flying at very low altitudes, such as drones and cruise missiles.

The 101KS "Atoll" system can also be very useful for engaging similar targets. The 101KS is an integrated optical-electronic system (OEIS) included in the Su-57's avionics suite, designed to provide complete situational awareness of the aircraft's surroundings across all optical bands, counter missile attacks, detect ground targets, and engage them with various weapons.

The Atoll includes an infrared search and track sensor located in front of the cockpit, four ultraviolet missile attack warning sensors, and two turrets to counter enemy missile guidance systems.


The use of IRSTs to counter drones and cruise missiles is similar to the use of pod-mounted infrared sensors by American fighters for the same purposes. These sensors enable long-range detection of low-observable targets, including drones and cruise missiles. They can work in conjunction with radar and other sensors to detect, classify, and engage these hard-to-observe targets at long ranges.

Western experts have paid particular attention to the 101KS-O turret-mounted laser-beam optical-electronic countermeasure module, located immediately behind the cockpit. Analysts estimate that this element of the 101KS "Atoll" defense system indicates continued active development of technologies to counter modern missile threats.

Experts note that the 101KS-O module is designed to suppress infrared, ultraviolet, and television seekers of surface-to-air missiles and tactical missiles, as well as IR sensors of intercepting UAVs operating from the upper hemisphere. Experts emphasize that its operating principle is similar to the L-370-5 module and is based on the generation of a high-precision laser pulse that disrupts enemy homing systems.

Target designation for the 101KS-O modules is provided by the 101KS-U/01 and 101KS-U/02 ultraviolet sensors, which are part of a six-element aperture distributed across the aircraft's airframe. This allows the system to detect missile attacks from all directions and automatically direct the laser beam toward the approaching threat.

Furthermore, unlike previous Russian tactical fighters, the Su-57 is equipped with a 101KS-N navigation and targeting system pod, which was developed specifically for it. Furthermore, while such pods have become much more commonly used to counter drones and cruise missiles, the question of maintaining the stealthiness of an aircraft equipped with such a pod remains open.

Although the target designators were originally developed for air-to-ground use, they can also be used in air-to-air mode, which is crucial for visual target recognition at a distance.

Interestingly, the rear of the pod shown in the attached image differs from the standard 101KS-N. It's unclear whether this is a new version of the pod or even a version optimized for air-to-air combat, but it's a possibility. It's also possible that this is a different type of pod altogether, although its location on the gondola makes this unlikely, but possible. You can expect anything from the Russians, really.

Meanwhile, despite claims that Russia is developing laser-guided missiles that could be used to engage small air-to-air targets, similar to the 70mm Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System II (APKWS II) rockets being developed in the US as a cheaper way to destroy drones, there is no evidence that they have yet entered service. Therefore, the short-range R-73/R-74 series air-to-air missiles remain the cheapest option for countering such threats.

When the R-73 missile appeared in the early 1980s, it quickly established itself as a highly effective short-range air-to-air missile. The combination of an all-aspect infrared seeker, high targeting accuracy, thrust vector control, and the ability to target using a helmet-mounted sight was an unusual innovation at the time, but it is now a classic.


Also back in 2008, it was proven that the R-73 is capable of shooting down drones, when a Russian MiG-29 shot down one of the Israeli-made Georgian Hermes 450 drones over Abkhazia.

The R-73 was replaced by the R-74 missile, which is virtually identical in appearance to its predecessor but is equipped with a new dual-band infrared seeker. This provides increased seeker range and enhanced off-axis guidance capabilities, reducing the likelihood of enemy aircraft evading the missile in close-quarters combat.


Further, the R-74M/RVV-MD. The abbreviation stands for "short-range air-to-air missile."

Since critical components of the R-74M were produced in Ukraine, Russia switched to the R-74M2, which is assembled entirely from domestic components and is also optimized for placement inside the Su-57's weapons bays.

The R-74M uses a Russian-made seeker and a rocket motor with an extended burn time for greater range. The weapon can also be engaged in a target acquisition mode after launch, which is typically required when launched from an internal bay. In this mode, the missile begins flight under inertial guidance, and target acquisition occurs in flight.


These images show the launch of an R-74M2 missile from one of the two small wing weapons bays of the Su-57.

It's unclear which of these weapons are mounted under the Su-57's wings in these images. However, given the large number of older R-73 missiles still in stock, they will be carried externally, as they don't fit in the internal bays.

Clearly, missile and drone raids are as much a problem for Russia as they are for Ukraine, as the large-scale raids on Moscow and Kyiv clearly demonstrate.

Yes, this is the normal course of any war, if the word "normal" can be applied to war at all. One side tries to inflict maximum damage on the other, while the other, predictably, develops new methods of defense.


Even in the West, they agree that a number of additional layered air defense systems have been deployed around key potential targets. These defenses range from long-range S-400 air defense systems to attack helicopters tasked with shooting down drones in the air. The most visible are the short-range Pantsir air defense systems, deployed on the roofs of tall buildings and elevated positions, sometimes artificial.

The stakes are rising: Ukraine has demonstrated that it can now strike targets within Russian territory, and at a considerable distance from the front line. Since ground-based air defense assets are already stretched thin, reliably protecting a growing territory from potential strikes using these systems alone is difficult. The territory that must be "covered" from Ukrainian weapons is truly vast.

Since Ukraine is increasingly using long-range cruise missiles capable of carrying very heavy warheads, it makes sense to shoot down these missiles away from populated areas to avoid causing additional, completely unnecessary casualties. Even if fighter jets were focused solely on protecting key facilities, this might be worthwhile, as these missiles can inflict enormous damage and are easier to detect with both infrared and radar sensors.

All methods are good for destroying flying weapons: airplanes, helicopters, air defense systems, drones, EW and so on. Fighters are already part of the overall response equation. A helicopter is good for low-speed targets, and a fighter is an excellent complement. Defense at a distance, beyond the operating range of the air defense missile system.

In the West, it's believed that such fighter operations are less visible, and Russian authorities are unlikely to publicize them widely, as the very fact of such activity paints a less-than-impressive picture of the state of Russia's air defenses and further highlights Ukraine's growing capabilities. This is especially true for the valuable Su-57s, which could very well be used in these secondary defensive operations.

However, if the use of helicopters to intercept UAVs has been deemed successful, why can't aircraft be used for the same purpose, as their use in LCSs is primarily fraught with losses? And why should testing systems capable of effectively intercepting cruise missiles and drones be viewed as a sign of weakness?
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  1. +3
    6 July 2026 03: 59
    The Su-57 also carries the Kh-58UShK anti-radiation missile, so you don't have to worry about radiation anymore! We have a way to combat it.
  2. +7
    6 July 2026 06: 29
    It is also worth paying attention to the large shelter in which the Su-57 is located.
    This isn't a shelter at all, but a modern hangar. The very concept of a shelter implies some kind of protection. But the photo shows a specific hangar that can only protect from precipitation, maybe hurricane-force winds, nothing more. It's all a matter of terminology. sad
    1. +1
      6 July 2026 07: 42
      People should be jailed for photos like this!
      1. +1
        6 July 2026 10: 59
        People should be jailed for photos like this!

        All of this has long been publicly available, and anyone who needs this information has long had it, including from advertising brochures.
    2. +5
      6 July 2026 14: 22
      It can protect against FPV drones and enemy sight. If the aircraft is in one of ten hangars, it's difficult to hit.
  3. + 13
    6 July 2026 06: 30
    And why should testing systems that can effectively intercept cruise missiles and drones be seen as a sign of weakness?

    It would be more interesting to know why, while positioning itself as a “weapon that has no analogues in the world” and “weapons based on new physical principles,” Russia is “embarrassed” to use its existing weapons in full just because someone decided something?
    Only the restoration of security for the regions and citizens of the Russian Federation can serve as a criterion for the application and non-application...No more bastards can tell our country what means it should use to defend its sovereignty.
  4. + 19
    6 July 2026 08: 23
    "Criminal." They've gone completely crazy, repeating all this crap themselves.
    1. BAI
      +3
      6 July 2026 09: 20
      It's good that it's not the Punisher.
      Soon they will get to the Banderite or the Gestapo member.
      And so the nickname came from NATO
  5. +9
    6 July 2026 09: 33
    The Su-57, by all accounts, is a truly magnificent aircraft. A true Soviet masterpiece! But isn't it a bit expensive to use as a drone hunter? It's short on airframes, and it's wasting precious resources. It's up to you, but a cheaper solution is clearly needed.
    1. +1
      6 July 2026 14: 24
      The question is how many drones it can shoot down; you can load it with a ton of missiles. Plus, it could theoretically provide targeting information to air defense systems.
    2. +3
      7 July 2026 13: 27
      The vehicle truly turned out to be excellent, with great potential for further development and modernization. It's certainly capable of intercepting cruise missiles and drones, but the issue is cost—the RVV is much more expensive than the drone it destroys. Another issue is that using old MD RVVs on an external sling partially mitigates this cost issue. It's simply "putting old ammunition to good use."
      As for the "few" being true, that's a matter of opinion. The author simply translated a foreign article without critical analysis, even using Latin characters to denote domestic systems and devices. The result is a mishmash of axe and the imagination of a foreign author. Especially the "few" part, and the fact that Russia prefers the Su-35S... Actually, the Su-35S is produced on ONE assembly line in Komsomolsk, with a standard output of 30 aircraft per year (all our heavy fighter assembly lines have this output), and yet they manage to offer and supply them for export (last year, 6 each of the Su-57E, Su-35E, and Su-34E were delivered to Algeria, and the same number is expected this year). At the same time, THREE new assembly lines, each capable of producing 30 aircraft per year, have been built for Su-57 production. Line 1 already reached its planned annual production rate of 30 fighters last year, Line 2 delivered its first batch of six Su-57s last year, and Line 3 completed the installation of production equipment last year—information as of late spring. This data is publicly available, based on materials and reports from two air shows last year in China and India (the Indian show was the most informative, which is where I'm publishing this data). Last year, 36 Su-57s were delivered to customers (including foreign ones), and this year, approximately 45 units are expected to be delivered. By 2030, all three lines will reach their planned production rates.
      The numbers in the troops are also a mixed bag. By the end of last year, the troops already had over 70 of these aircraft (between 72 and 76 units), which is three regimental sets of two squadrons. By the end of this year, their number will exceed 100 (around 120 units), which will be five regimental sets. This will roughly correspond to the number of Su-35S at the beginning of the Central Military District.
      Additionally, another production line for licensed assembly of the Su-57E from our kits is being prepared in India. The contract for licensed assembly is in its final stages (it's large and complex, meticulously calculated and drafted) and will have an option (the total quantity is approximately 300 units). India will also order 40 Su-57Es ready to go to compensate for the imminent arrival of Chinese J-35s in Pakistan.
      Meanwhile, since last year, the industry has been churning out 30 Su-30SM2, Su-34M/E, and Su-35S fighters. This gives you an idea of ​​what's happening in the domestic military aircraft industry. But the fate of the MiG-35S remains unclear. There was talk of orders from foreign customers and the start of serial production, but no further statements or comments. I hope this aircraft will also be mass-produced, as the Su-75 won't be entering serial production until the beginning of the next decade. And customers and allies needed such aircraft yesterday.

      If and when a domestically developed MD missile system based on an 80mm laser-guided missile appears, any fighter or even helicopter equipped with such a system (the Ka-52M, for example) will be able to intercept cruise missiles and UAVs very effectively, given their large onboard warheads. Meanwhile... we still haven't even developed tethered AWACS balloons! How will we detect hundreds of these UAVs and cruise missiles during WWI? How will we ensure constant AWACS presence in the air? Aircraft are few and far between. Extraordinary measures are needed, including the creation of "sharashkas" for this (and other) purposes.
    3. 0
      11 July 2026 12: 49
      Pilots need to train. Preferably on soft targets.
  6. +2
    6 July 2026 10: 22
    "anti-radiation missile Kh-58UShK..."! "More carefully," author!
    And for such a detailed description, you should be put in jail!
    Indeed, why repeat names that carry a negative message about Russia? Why not "Truporub"?
    Learn from the PindosUkrainiansThe American Peacekeeper ballistic missile, and the designated enemy site, are also like that.
    1. 0
      6 July 2026 12: 14
      The most troubling aspect for the enemy is that the 57th is armed with an R-37M air-to-air missile with a range of 300 km, as well as an R-77-1 air-to-air missile with a range of 110 km at a very impressive speed of Mach 4-5, which in some scenarios are also capable of hitting Ukrainian aircraft "across the border."


      The R-37M does not fit into the Su-57's fuselage compartment, so the Su-57 uses a modernized version of the R-37M missile, the R-97, which can be placed inside its fuselage. The R-97 is a long-range air-to-air missile for internal placement inside the Su-57. Instead of the R-77-1, the Su-57 uses a more compact and longer-range medium-range air-to-air missile, the R-77M.

      According to previous estimates, the Su-57 can carry a maximum of six R-77M missiles in its internal weapons bay. With the addition of four externally mounted missiles, the total number of air-to-air missiles the aircraft can carry could increase to ten, significantly increasing its firepower.


      https://www.vietnam.vn/ru/su-57-nga-mang-hoa-luc-chua-tung-co-khien-ukraine-them-ap-luc
    2. 0
      6 July 2026 12: 23
      In continuation of the post.

      The R-37M has already proven its lethality, setting combat records for its range against aerial targets—over 200 kilometers. However, the missile has a significant drawback: its size. It is too large to fit internally into the fifth-generation Su-57 fighter, whose stealth characteristics are severely compromised by external weapons. This problem was the catalyst for the development of the "Product 810."
      The Izdeliye 810 (also known in some sources as the R-97) was developed as a miniature derivative of the R-37M specifically for the Su-57.


      https://overclockers.ru/blog/Hardware_inc/show/245497/-Izdelie-810-chto-izvestno-o-novoj-kompaktnoj-rossijskoj-giperzvukovoj-rakete-dlya-Su-57
  7. 0
    6 July 2026 10: 31
    One of these photographs also shows a device under the left engine nacelle, which American experts called a “sighting cockpit.”
    If you enlarge the photo, you can see that this “sighting cabin” is located about ten meters from the plane; the nacelle of the left engine is clean, without any problems.
  8. 0
    6 July 2026 10: 44
    Why can't planes be used for this?
    - wear and tear on aircraft and engines. For the sake of such nonsense (since this should be covered by other means).
    1. +1
      6 July 2026 14: 34
      The country suffered so much economic damage from strikes like those by cheap drones that it would probably have been enough to buy a hundred Su-57s. And they weren't scrambled; they were parked in the open, and cheap drones were sent into airfields with them several times. At least there was no engine wear! fool
      1. 0
        6 July 2026 16: 19
        But flying such planes isn't the answer either. In those specific situations, looking back now, it would have been justified. But that's not serious. Overall, such an approach is irrational.
        A. Medvedev has more adequate ideas about this, using completely different aircraft (and relatively old helicopters) that are adequately suited for such tasks.
        But now, after the fact, to speculate that if the Su-57 had flown that day, something wouldn't have happened... Well, that's just so-so. It's a bit of a maximalist approach, somehow not serious.

        __
        Yes, the most important thing in the fact that enemy drones flew all the way to Omsk and hit something is the reaction speed.

        More precisely, its complete absence. Low-speed, aircraft-type UAVs fly over the country for several hours, they are visible, and even transmit information, but...
        But. The result is what it is.

        It's understandable when the Kinzhal goes through air defense and Patriot systems. That's high-tech warfare. But what's this with the fart-propelled missiles? What's it called? It's called "Why should I make a decision?"

        What decisions should be made? Well, my colleague described them quite accurately.

        Remove the Mi-24 from storage and use it to shoot down drones. But even without such measures, we currently have plenty of Mi-8 helicopters in private hands, with the Russian National Guard, and with border guards. Hundreds of them in the country, including the AMTSh.

        There are several dozen L-410 aircraft.
        There are at least a hundred Yak-130s. There are also about a hundred L-39s.

        What's stopping us from creating drone-hunting teams? Well, we could, of course, try a more complex approach.

        After all, Mozhaisky tried to build a steam-powered airplane in the late 19th century. If protecting the refinery isn't the answer, then maybe this? Why am I talking about airplanes in the first place? Well, think about it. How do Su-34s fly?

        An unwillingness to accept responsibility for decisions will always backfire. A reluctance to make decisions, including tough ones, perhaps personnel ones, is also not the best option. Repeating mistakes and hoping for the best is a good idea. And hoping that "it's far away, it definitely won't reach us" is also an option.

        But none of them work.

        The roasted rooster will still peck.
        1. +2
          6 July 2026 16: 49
          Today, drones reached the Omsk oil refinery. At this rate, we'll move from the paradigm of "why fly expensive planes" to "there's nothing to refuel the planes with anyway, it's too late to rush around." request
      2. 0
        6 July 2026 16: 42
        Another resource with a clear opinion on this issue. Without the distortions you've made.


        ⭐ Eyewitness footage shows fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jets operating in the skies over Omsk.

        The situation, in the fifth year of the war, where the most modern fighter jets are being deployed to intercept slow and unmaneuverable drones, whose flight hour, including the use of air-to-air missiles, costs significantly more than the drones themselves, raises questions. This literally mirrors the experience of the Europeans, who are chasing Ukrainian plywood drones over the Baltics with heavy Rafale fighters.

        The problem is, Europe doesn't have five years of experience countering tens of thousands of drones, while we do. Whether everything possible is being done to convert this experience into adapted and timely solutions for protecting the country's airspace is a rhetorical question. The cruising speed of the FP-1 drone is approximately 140-180 km/h, according to open data. Based on this, to cover a distance of over 2500 km (and likely even more, given the ability to bypass air defense systems), the drones would have flown over Russian territory for at least 14-18 hours.
        1. +1
          6 July 2026 17: 53
          Of course, it's better to shoot down enemy aircraft with drones, preferably right at the factory—a single geranium could probably shoot down 500 drones. But we regularly see enemy drones flying through air defenses and how they fail, and keeping fighter jets sitting in hangars is criminal. Of course, it would be better if fighters shot down enemy aircraft, but they haven't been doing that for a long time; at least they should make that kind of contribution to victory.
          1. 0
            7 July 2026 01: 18
            Quote from alexoff
            Of course, it's better to shoot them down with drones, preferably right at the production site....
            Alternatively, it wouldn't be a bad idea to shoot them down over the territory of those countries that have provided airspace for their flights to Russia (and, according to other sources, even take off from these countries). Iran, for example, doesn't stand on ceremony with such countries, unlike our politicians, who prefer to complain about this to the UN.
            1. +1
              7 July 2026 02: 27
              It would be a good idea to oust from the leadership anyone whose immediate family doesn't return to Russia within two weeks and report to a Lubyanka building. Then, perhaps, after some time, we'll start reading the UN charter and realizing that Ukrainian drone flights from their territory are tantamount to military aggression, and for that, we should punish those who are greedy and European oil refineries, which have significantly diminished in the last 30 years.
  9. +3
    6 July 2026 11: 05
    Without a compact missile capable of carrying several dozen +/- multi-channel containers, counter-drone missions are ineffective and costly—an example is the Iran-US conflict. The Americans had realized this a year earlier, and when the Iran conflict began, they quickly began expanding the list of APKWS-F carriers. The French and Belgians immediately emphasized this with their Akulaeus-LG and FZ-275LG. The British began adapting the American system for the Typhoon.
    1. 0
      6 July 2026 14: 36
      Before the SVO, Kalashnikov demonstrated the S-8L, a similar American missile; no one even remembers it now. And the Orion also shot down other drones with a modified Kornet. But all that has been forgotten. request
  10. +1
    6 July 2026 11: 20
    Chasing drones with such an aircraft is, to put it mildly, a hypothetical scenario. The cost per flight hour is too high, and maintenance is lengthy and expensive. Using it as a loitering aircraft to detect, target, and intercept drones is only a last resort.
    1. +1
      8 July 2026 06: 44
      Here's that "extreme case"! The consequences of the raid on the Omsk Oil Refinery outweigh the "high cost"!
  11. 0
    6 July 2026 12: 09
    Well, this is very cool and detailed, I think the West will enjoy learning about new things on the Internet!
  12. -1
    6 July 2026 12: 24
    Quote: yuriy55
    And why should testing systems that can effectively intercept cruise missiles and drones be seen as a sign of weakness?

    It would be more interesting to know why, while positioning itself as a “weapon that has no analogues in the world” and “weapons based on new physical principles,” Russia is “embarrassed” to use its existing weapons in full just because someone decided something?
    Only the restoration of security for the regions and citizens of the Russian Federation can serve as a criterion for the application and non-application...No more bastards can tell our country what means it should use to defend its sovereignty.

    However, all the bastards point the finger, and the country, represented by its leader, swallows it, seemingly with pleasure, experiencing a certain orgasm in the process! Isn't that right? Everyone's tired of it. Vote for his party, and you'll be happy. sad
  13. 0
    6 July 2026 13: 12
    It is very foolish to send the newest and most expensive aircraft and an equally expensive and valuable pilot to a place where anti-aircraft missiles can reach them.

    Well, that's why air defense is suppressed, so that anti-aircraft missiles don't fly at them.
    Israel and the US are not sending their F-35s to be slaughtered by Iranian air defense systems.

    Of course, they don’t do it on purpose, but nevertheless, the Iranians managed to shoot down one F-35.
  14. +3
    6 July 2026 13: 43
    What can I say, even Israel and the US don't send their F-35s to be slaughtered by Iranian air defense systems, and God himself has commanded us not to do so.

    The US and the Jews were actively losing various types of UAVs over Iran, but, in turn, they bombed everything they wanted within Iran. The Aerospace Forces, for their part, don't risk bombing territory 404 beyond the range of UMPK munitions. And you can't reach buried objects and bridges that way.
    1. +2
      6 July 2026 14: 42
      The US and Israel simply weren't chasing them to the slaughter, but were fighting against air defenses. We, on the other hand, might have air defenses there, so let's not fly there. request
      Some kind of learned helplessness
      1. 0
        6 July 2026 15: 41
        Yes, a large object (factory, airfield, bunker, railway junction) can only be destroyed by bombing (a specific number of tons of bombs per object).
        1. 0
          6 July 2026 16: 13
          In principle, an UMPK is possible; you just need a decent SAR/RB and not approach from the air defense direction. I suspect if we had a Jewish general, he would plan a massive air raid of geraniums, under the cover of which a couple dozen Sukhoi fighters would fly at low altitude to bomb the Beskid Tunnel or the airfield near Khmelnytskyi, dropping a bomb into each hangar, rather than the usual two daggers a month on two hangars, just in case.
          1. +1
            6 July 2026 16: 24
            If something goes wrong, the loss of 20 aircraft at once is a huge loss for us. It's painful for the US in terms of morale. But it won't significantly affect their Air Force capabilities. Therefore, no one will send us any aircraft.
            1. 0
              6 July 2026 16: 27
              There's the C60 Hunter for that...and we started talking about Kyiv.
              The tunnel is deep and needs to be bombed from a normal height with normal bombs. It's not a given that Russia has them, and it's not a given that a Tu-22M3 wouldn't be needed for that.
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                6 July 2026 16: 47
                Use normal TN bombs. It's not a fact that they exist in Russia.
                It's a shame that we haven't developed concrete-piercing bombs. We absolutely need high technology for that...
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                  6 July 2026 21: 28
                  They shouldn't even be thrown with wings.
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                    6 July 2026 21: 34
                    You can blow off the wings on landing, and then dive. But I remember there was a discussion here about Shoigu looking at the FAB-3000, which was adapted for the UMPK, and it had a braking cone. They then attached a fairing to it. And the question arises: what kind of braking cone? Why do they produce aerial bombs with a braking cone that gets in the way, and then cover it up? These are either old, painted bombs from a warehouse, or someone is demanding bombs made to specific drawings that had a braking cone. Which hints at bureaucratic idiocy.
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                      7 July 2026 01: 31
                      Quote from alexoff
                      Shoigu looked at the FAB-3000, which was adapted for the UMPK, and it had a braking cone. A fairing was then added to it. And the question arises: what kind of braking cone? Why do they produce aerial bombs with a braking cone that gets in the way, and then cover it up?
                      In my opinion, everything is clear: the drag casing prevents the bomb from ricocheting off the ground, since the bomb's flight from the UMPK requires a flat trajectory (meaning the bomb has a high horizontal speed and must be braked at the landing point). But with its standard shape, the bomb is poorly streamlined, which reduces its range during gliding. Therefore, it is equipped with a lightweight fairing, which will easily disintegrate upon impact with the ground, and the bomb itself will not ricochet off the ground, as the shape of the bomb casing, with its drag band, prevents this.
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                        7 July 2026 02: 24
                        Here's a picture, a 1.5-liter bomb in the foreground, a three-ton bomb behind it. What kind of ricochet could this ring protect against? If this belt gets caught on something, and the bomb decides to ricochet (I'd like to see that happen), it'll just come off.
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        The flight of a bomb with the UMPK assumes a flat trajectory of the bomb's flight

                        normal people dive at the final stage of their trajectory
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              6 July 2026 16: 45
              So we need to prepare well, train hard, and break through somewhere, flying something unmanned ahead. But our approach is to take a difficult and risky approach, even if it causes the enemy major problems if successful—we won't do it.
              Well, there are tons of options. You could even resurrect a V-2 with a geranium navigation system. A ton of explosives is no joke.
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    6 July 2026 16: 00
    And, oddly enough, today in Omsk, while repelling an attack on an oil refinery, a Su-57 was spotted (pretty prophetic, according to Telegram channels; we're not discussing the success of the defense), and several questions immediately arise: first, was this really in Omsk (since the 64th Fighter Aviation Regiment was stationed there, and only the military transport aviation is present)? Second, how effective is their presence practically in the drone strike zone (maybe they should be positioned further west, given that drones only fly through Russian territory)? And third, will their numbers ("density of fire," I'm a tanker-suited guy, in my opinion) be enough to prevent a massive attack? Don't kick me too hard, I myself filled up with 95m gasoline today for 65 rubles and watched a trainload of gasoline heading west...
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    6 July 2026 16: 21
    Judging by the name, Russia created the Su-5 aircraft to combat slow-moving UAVs. Wouldn't it have been easier to build thousands of La-5Fs and La-7s?
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    6 July 2026 17: 40
    The inexpensive, upgraded Yak-130M is ideal for countering drones and Flamingo-type missiles. Its modernization and practical application were discussed two years ago. But we're always slow to get going, just waiting to get going. The Su-57M1, which is being readied for mass production, is needed for other purposes. We need to quickly produce at least ten regiments of these aircraft for our Aerospace Forces, which amounts to approximately 240-250 aircraft. Believe me, they'll come in very handy soon.
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    7 July 2026 08: 22
    The Su-57 is a farce. It's just a show-off. It's not stealthy. The Su-35S is better. And, what's more, it's cheaper!!! More effective. It's Indian-funded, by the way!!!
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    7 July 2026 08: 36
    Is this a hint that the Su-57 will hunt UAVs? It's too expensive to maintain and operate.
    It is easier to copy and mass-produce the Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano (A-29).
    It is priced similarly to the Yak-130M and Mi-8AMTSh-VN, but is significantly cheaper to maintain and operate.
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    7 July 2026 22: 12
    What kind of cringe did we just read?