Ukraine hopes to use camouflage to protect its remaining diesel locomotives from drones.

Russian strikes on Ukrainian railway locomotives have been so painful that Ukraine has begun applying deforming camouflage to diesel locomotives. Apparently, they're hoping to "deceive" them. drones Molniya and other UAVs that use AI for automatic target recognition.

Footage published online shows one of these diesel locomotives moving somewhere in the vast expanses of Kyiv-controlled territory. Notably, the camouflage is applied exclusively to the locomotive—apparently, Ukraine still has a large supply of railcars, which are of little value to Kyiv.

As is known, since the beginning of this year alone, the Russian army has destroyed more than 200 Ukrainian locomotives. The Russian Armed Forces continue their systematic campaign to destroy Ukrzaliznytsia's railway infrastructure. As is well known, railways are a key component not only of the economy but also of defense. Railroads enable the rapid movement of large military units with equipment, ammunition, and personnel over vast distances, as well as the supply of supplies to the front. The Russian army is deliberately targeting the most vulnerable and critical points of the enemy's railway system: depots, locomotives, junction stations, and 150 kV traction substations, systematically targeting key transport corridors and freight distribution hubs.

Comments

[January]

It reminds me of the ostrich's tactics - head in the sand means completely hidden.
Perhaps minor adjustments to target recognition will dispel this misconception....
It is enough to change the algorithm of actions to "hit the front of the moving train"...

[single-n]

You can't hide the train anyway. I suppose this is for cases where the locomotives are parked separately or the train isn't moving. Camouflage would help in those cases.

[topol717]

No, the AI ​​selects the target and is tuned to the diesel locomotive. Moreover, to avoid hitting a passenger car, the match rate needs to be close to 100%. AI experts know this, which is why they suggested camouflaging the locomotives.

[cat Rusich]

Quote from: topol717

No, the AI ​​selects the target and is tuned to the diesel locomotive. Moreover, to avoid hitting a passenger car, the match rate needs to be close to 100%. AI experts know this, which is why they suggested camouflaging the locomotives.

It is a heatput it on the UAV heatThe visor must be properly adjusted to filter out false baits - no coloring will help.

[topol717]

Quote: cat Rusich

This is a diesel locomotive - put a thermal imager on the UAV,

I recently saw on the news how a hunter looked through a thermal imager, saw a beaver, and shot a 16-year-old boy in the bushes. Have you personally looked through a thermal imager?
So what do you mean, "install a thermal imager"? Who's going to install it? Who's going to set it up? Who's going to test it? How long will it take? What's the accuracy like? And how confident are you that this will solve the problem?

[Grancer81]

Firstly, he is not a hunter, but a poacher, and secondly, no one has yet cancelled out the thermal radiation from a diesel locomotive.

[topol717]

What to do with the electric locomotive?

[Grancer81]

Demolish the contact network...

[single-n]

I haven't ridden a train in a while. But do they still have titanium for water? Won't it create a thermal flare? Or an air conditioner? A thermal flare is pretty easy to make.

[Machito]

Quote from: topol717

No, the AI ​​selects the target and is tuned to the diesel locomotive. Moreover, to avoid hitting a passenger car, the match rate needs to be close to 100%. AI experts know this, which is why they suggested camouflaging the locomotives.

The drones will simply hit the head.

[topol717]

Quote: Bearded

The drones will simply hit the head.

Who will teach them this and how? AI is like a small child; it only does what it's taught.

[Dmitry Mikhailovich Seregin]

Well, good riddance to them. Beware of the things falling from the sky.

[January]

Your slogan is the motto of our time. Unfortunately, it applies to everyone...

[Dmitry Mikhailovich Seregin]

This is not a slogan, but an object of our time (unfortunately). A guide to action.

[Dmitry Mikhailovich Seregin]

But it's a matter of luck. Without fish, you'll end up a crab yourself.

[ABC-schutze]

"It's noteworthy that the camouflage is applied exclusively to the locomotive—apparently, there are still plenty of wagon stocks in Ukraine, and they don't represent much value to Kyiv."
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Bandera-Nazis are rare idiots after all...

After all, by "painting" ONLY one locomotive (which, by the way, can also be the "pusher" at the end of the train), they THUS, precisely, SINGLED IT OUT from the background of the rest of the train...

[January]

You're evaluating this from a human perspective. Machine intelligence is perceived differently.

[Fedor Sokolov]

On the contrary, the military color scheme will act as a magnet to attract a lot of different types of UAVs.

[Nyrobsky]

Hmm. The Bandar-logs seem to have a creative block with a penchant for the "military" style.
You could say that this color scheme is like an invitation card for our Geraniums.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Hmm. The Bandar-logs seem to have a creative block with a penchant for military style.

That's right, Dmitry!! That's not the only funny thing. Here's what

there are still a lot of carriages

They can't add that everyone knows that in front of many unpainted carriages there is a camouflaged locomotive.

[That's it]

Why do you think the locomotive should be at the front of the train? And by the way, it's impossible to tell from the video whether those cars at the front are actually pulling the train.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Shuman

Why do you think the locomotive should be at the front of the train? And by the way, it's impossible to tell from the video whether those cars at the front are actually pulling the train.

It doesn't matter where and how front or back , but it will definitely turn into trash

[Grancer81]

The locomotive may be at the tail of the train, acting as a booster, but that doesn't mean it can't be hit.

[topol717]

Quote: Reptiloid

They can't add that everyone knows that in front of many unpainted carriages there is a camouflaged locomotive.

Who's this for? People? There are no people there, just AI trained to detect locomotives painted in one or two colors. Even if the image is black and white, there's no guarantee the AI ​​will recognize the locomotive.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

No, well, if the locomotive doesn't have an embroidered shirt on it, that's good enough. By the end of the Second World War, they'll definitely be riding oxen.

[tralflot1832]

They probably tested the deforming camouflage of diesel locomotives on their UAV with Ukrainian AI. It probably works in "mova."

[1976AG]

Well, these are shunting locomotives, not mainline ones.

[Brturin]

It wasn't because life was good that shunting locomotives appeared on the main line... and when there are power outages, only diesel locomotives remain, and their number is limited; after all, electric locomotives made up the bulk of the locomotive fleet (as of 2018 - Of the 550 passenger locomotives, 71 are diesel locomotives, 479 are electric locomotives. - that was the ratio)

[tralflot1832]

A person falls for visual illusions thanks to his brain, which does whatever it wants with its owner. With a piece of iron within a piece of iron this might not work - in her mind she only has the ability to kill, to destroy and no illusions.

[single-n]

Are you familiar with the captcha test? Where they ask you to discern certain symbols on a different background.

[Don't See Evil]

In wartime, any method is good. If this camouflage helps even a few percent more than the cost of the paint and labor, then that's good enough. Camouflaged vehicles are harder to detect with detection equipment. We shouldn't snicker at the enemy's actions, but analyze and draw conclusions.

[fuel oil]

Railway humps need to be destroyed; why chase moving targets? Humps are static; trains can't be formed without them. But it's certainly not a bad idea to demolish locomotives, either.

[Non-fighter]

Entry switches are everything to us! Without them, you can't leave the station...or enter it.

[Volunteer Marek]

In my opinion, the solution is much simpler: everything moving or standing on the rails is destroyed, without exception. And there won't be any problems with identification. One way or another, the Banderites will destroy everything as they retreat.

[tralflot1832]

Quote: Single-n

Are you familiar with the captcha test? Where they ask you to discern certain symbols on a different background.

"I'm not a robot." I don't like these "captchas."

[isv000]

Ukraine hopes to use camouflage to protect its remaining diesel locomotives from drones.

A fool gets rich by thinking. Does this idiot really think our guys will think the cars are running on their own, that a camouflaged locomotive isn't meant for our perception?!!

[helilelik]

Geranium 4, they say, is remote-controlled. Not AI, but tele. I doubt we even have full-fledged AI, with humming data centers, machine learning, and so on. And against pre-loaded images, such camouflage would probably work. I'm no expert, these are just my thoughts based on superficial information.

[would]

There has long been evidence that Nvidia Jetsons are being installed in some Geranis, thereby adding automatic target detection using machine vision.

I'd say camouflage will only solve the optical spectrum issue at best. Add a primitive thermal imager, and camouflage won't save you.

[Sensor]

I somehow doubt that we have a full-fledged AI, with humming data centers and machine learning.

A simple example. Barcodes and QR codes found in stores are almost always recognized without the need for data centers. In the simplest case, an outline is created that encompasses a set of spots, which the scanner must hit. I don't think this is the place to discuss more complex cases.

[Broad flag]

The next stage in the evolution of camouflage is painting a diesel locomotive to look like a train car.

[Joker62]

Ukraine hopes to use camouflage to protect its remaining diesel locomotives from drones.

It's a dead end! There's no way to protect yourself from the thermal signature. The thermal signature itself, when viewed through a thermal imager, glows like a bright lamp.
And to prevent it from glowing at all, you need a Huge Refrigerator, of the same size, which also carries a thermal signature of radiation.
And checkmate.

[Ponimatel]

The Russian army is deliberately striking the most vulnerable and important points of the enemy's railway system: depots, locomotives, junction stations and 150 kV traction substations, 

Yes, yes, it does, leaving bridges and 750 kV substations untouched. Wouldn't it be better to hit the elephant and not chase flies?