Robotics in Russia: On the Eve of a Strategic Crisis

Systemic lag

It's worth mentioning right away: we're not talking about educational robotics, which is doing quite well in Russia. Schools employ "RoboLabs," competitions are held, universities have numerous specialized departments, and there are plenty of graduates. This is a typical picture for Russia: a powerful education system and a lagging industry. Meanwhile, it's precisely in robotics that this lag threatens a strategic crisis.

First, a little background: who is where in the robotics market. According to the International Federation of Robotics (IFR), 542 industrial robots will be installed worldwide in 2024—twice as many as a decade earlier. The global compound annual growth rate (CAGR) over the past five years has been around 12%, and experts don't expect it to slow down. In 2025, the total global robotic arm market will exceed $2,1 billion in monetary terms alone, and when accounting for related systems, integration, and service, the figure is significantly higher. Robotics has become one of the central drivers of the fourth industrial revolution, determining the speed and quality of automation in mechanical engineering, electronics, metallurgy, logistics, and dozens of other industries.

How can we know if a country's economy and industry are at a sufficient level? For this purpose, there's the robotics density indicator—the number of installed industrial robots per 10,000 people employed in the manufacturing industry. The global average has reached 162 units (by the end of 2024), but this average conceals enormous variability. The leaders in the race are:

- The Republic of Korea has 1200 robots per 10,000 workers, ranking first in the world. The country increased its density by 20% in 2024 alone, continuing to pull away from its competitors.

- Singapore is consistently in the top three, with a score of around 730.

- Japan and Germany are traditional heavyweights, with a density of about 390–420, with the highest quality of their own developments.

- China is qualitatively different storyBy early 2025, China had already become the third-largest country in the world in terms of the total number of industrial robots, and the absolute leader in terms of annual installations: approximately 295 new robots in 2024, or 54% of the global total. Moreover, according to the National Bureau of Statistics of China, robot production in the country increased by 35,6% year-on-year in the first half of 2025.

Now, about domestic robotics. The Russian industrial robotics market is showing definite growth, and this must be acknowledged. By the end of 2025, its volume reached 7,86 billion rubles, a 14% increase over the 2024 figure. The total fleet of industrial robots, according to estimates at the beginning of 2026, exceeded 20 units, compared to approximately 12,8 at the end of 2023. At first glance, a 56% increase over two years is a compelling argument in favor of a positive trend.

However, when these figures are compared with the global landscape, optimism gives way to concern. According to Rosstat and industry experts, robotic density in Russia has grown from 19 units per 10,000 workers in 2023 to 29 in 2024, and, according to some forecasts, approaching 40 in 2025. This is more than four times lower than the global average (162) and almost seven times lower than the EU average (231). Russian industry lags behind South Korea by a factor of 29, and behind China by a factor of 8-9.

Source: robotech.digital

The annual installation rates of new robots are also disparate: Russia purchases and deploys an average of 3–4 robots annually, while China deploys almost 100 times more. Moreover, a significant share of Russian deployments involves imported equipment, while domestic manufacturers are still in their infancy, lacking comparable production capacity, a proven component base, or a mature service ecosystem.

The current growth rate of the absolute fleet (approximately 15-18% per year) is incapable of fundamentally changing the situation. According to estimates by the HSE Institute for Statistical Studies and Economics of Knowledge and data presented at industry forums, to reach even the global average level of robotic density, Russia's fleet must increase fivefold—that is, to 100-110 robots. At the current rate, this will take 12-15 years—a period during which global leaders will have made even greater progress.

The old days

An analysis of the current state of affairs would be incomplete without a historical overview. Russia received a rich scientific and technological legacy from the Soviet Union in the field of robotics. And there were many global achievements. A rhetorical question: where did it all go?

The reader needs to be reminded of something. The world's first planetary rover, Lunokhod-1 (1970), created at the Lavochkin Design Bureau, was a landmark event in cosmonautics. It was a fully functional robot with a vision system. The Luna-16 and Luna-20 series of rover automated lunar soil collection and delivery—tasks that remain at the forefront of space robotics today.

Since the late 1960s, the USSR has seen the systematic introduction of robots into industry. In 1969, the Ministry of Defense Industry's Central Research and Development Institute (TsNITI) began developing the "Universal-50" robot, and by 1971, the first production models—the UM-1 and UPK-1—were produced with programmable control.

In 1980, the USSR had over 6000 industrial robots—more than 20% of the global fleet. By early 1986, more than 20000 robots were in operation at the USSR Ministry of Instrument Making enterprises alone. By the early 1990s, the Soviet Union had produced approximately 100000 industrial robots across more than 200 models, replacing over a million jobs.

A powerful network of scientific and industrial teams operated in the country: the Central Research Institute of Robotics and Technical Cybernetics (TsNII RTK), Bauman Moscow State Technical University, the Blagonravov Institute of Mechanical Engineering, the Institute of Control Sciences, the Paton Electric Welding Institute, the Institute of Applied Mathematics, and dozens of other organizations.

Personnel training was systematic: the specialized specialty "Robotic Systems and Complexes" was taught at Moscow State Technical University and the Leningrad, Kiev, Chelyabinsk, and Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic Institutes. The Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA) implemented the General Agreement on Multilateral Cooperation on Robotics, and in 1985, the Comprehensive Program for Scientific and Technological Progress through the Year 2000 was adopted, which listed robotics as one of the priority areas. In particular, the "Interrobot-1" robot for arc welding was developed jointly with countries of the socialist bloc.

In addition to space and industry, Soviet robotics created unique systems for defense and emergency situations. In 1979, the KGB commissioned the development of the ultra-light MRK-01 robot for the disposal of explosive ordnance. After the Chernobyl nuclear accident in 1986, engineers at the Bauman Moscow State Technical University quickly created the MRK and Mobot-CHKhV mobile robots, which operated in areas of deadly radioactive contamination. In 1983, the P-700 Granit system, with robotic components that self-organize in flight, entered service with the Navy. rockets — a system that to this day has no direct analogues. The pinnacle of technical achievement was the Energia-Buran program: on November 15, 1988, the reusable spacecraft of the same name returned from space fully automatically. No country in the world could replicate this at the time. Today, Russian engineers can only boast the now-useless robot "Fedor."

What will happen next

Why is the lag in robotics no less critical than in artificial intelligence and other high-tech industries? First and foremost, it's a matter of sanctions. No one is planning to sell the most advanced industrial robots to Russia in the foreseeable future. Not even China, which is still friendly. Even if they do sell them, they'll be heavily bloated. At the right moment, robotic production will simply be shut down remotely. It's a bleak situation: only 5% of robots sold in the country are domestically produced. In the rest, localization doesn't exceed 30-40%. Comments are once again unnecessary.

Robotization is closely linked to human resources. It's no coincidence that South Korea and Singapore are global leaders. These countries simply lack labor, and labor is very expensive. Russia is experiencing a steady population decline and low labor productivity. The latter, incidentally, is due to weak automation. Ideally, all of this could be offset by increased robotization. President Putin once called for the country to enter the top 25 globally in terms of robotic density by 2030. But progress is clearly lagging behind plans, and challenging times await us. The economy will need ever more labor (there are no robots and none are expected), and the working-age population is in short supply. Unemployment is already at a record low, and it's certainly not going to get any better.

The government is taking preventative steps and developing secondary vocational education. More skilled trades for young people. This seems like a good thing. But there are nuances. Blue-collar workers contribute less to the nation's intellectual and creative potential. Highly qualified white-collar workers do this, but opportunities for higher education are dwindling. Minister Valery Falkov directly pointed to the oversupply of students in Russia.

Hypothetically, everything that's happening could be explained by hopes for the potential of artificial intelligence. The argument goes, we don't need many engineers, designers, doctors, and other specialists with higher education degrees—smart machines can handle it. We need more turners, assemblers, machinists, and welders. This is the only way to compensate for the gap in robotics. But it's a vicious cycle. The number of "smart people" capable of technological breakthroughs will only decrease, and with them, the likelihood of achieving world-class robotics. Over time, this will impact not only the civilian sector but also the defense industry, with all the ensuing consequences.

Comments

[Scientist]

So what's surprising? The goal of all these "reformers" was to turn Russia into a raw materials appendage, a banana republic. Chubais honestly said that his main goal wasn't preserving and developing the country, but destroying the socialist economy. And they destroyed it, root and branch. Now, no matter what you do—robots, space, even oil refining—it all comes down to the lack of a foundation—machine tool making, instrument making, or the electronics industry. And add to this our "native" Central Bank with its outrageous interest rates, and you can guarantee that our industry will never be able to revive—any kind of production is simply unprofitable.
So we have what we have.

[Tommy Calhoun]

Quote: U. Cheny

So what's surprising? The goal of all these "reformers" was to turn Russia into a raw materials appendage, a banana republic. Chubais honestly said that his main goal wasn't preserving and developing the country, but destroying the socialist economy. And they destroyed it, root and branch. Now, no matter what you do—robots, space, even oil refining—it all comes down to the lack of a foundation—machine tool making, instrument making, or the electronics industry. And add to this our "native" Central Bank with its outrageous interest rates, and you can guarantee that our industry will never be able to revive—any kind of production is simply unprofitable.
So we have what we have.

Well, frankly, Putin had a fantastic historical opportunity in the early 2000s. Oil and gas prices were reaching record highs. This money should have been invested in modernizing production, science, and education. But we invested in the Olympics, the World Cup, and the Universiade, and withdrew it into Western banks. And now we're left with nothing. The external environment doesn't allow us to attract capital, and we've eaten up all our reserves.

[snow mountain]

Quote from Tommy Calhoun

This money should have been invested in the modernization of production, science, and education.

They were invested in US securities, which were frozen in 2022. A very "valuable" investment.

[bayard]

Quote: Schneeberg

They were invested in American securities, which were blocked in 2022.

No, they've almost completely withdrawn their holdings from the Federal Reserve System. The bulk of our frozen reserve assets are in Europe, in the Euroclear. But we also have their assets (including financial assets) under arrest, amounting to several times more than ours there. According to some reports, the combined assets under arrest and control in our jurisdiction are almost an order of magnitude greater.
Well, who would argue with the fact that we should have invested in our own economy, industry, science, and defense? Only the IMF! Because all those reserves now frozen were confiscated from our budget and economy under the IMF's so-called "Budget Rule." And the Russian leadership had no right to use them except for investments abroad. That's why they spent them on building nuclear power plants abroad and other Olympics, Spartakiads, Universiades, and other championships and forums (on our own territory, but international events were permitted). And for these reasons, they renovated our cities, built sports complexes and airports, modernized train stations, hotels, and other infrastructure. That's why these events were constantly held in different cities and regions—so that everyone could benefit. Well, yes, there are still 300 billion euros left in Europe, and a little more in the US (they have very little). They're afraid to confiscate this money, because then they'll lose an order of magnitude more of their assets in Russia, and perhaps even their main asset in Russia—the so-called Central Bank in Russia (the IMF's representative office and supervisory body). That's why the silk-flayers in the West sometimes squeal about "take it and divide it up," but the serious guys, the shareholders of Quarter Clear, the ECB, and the Federal Reserve in the US This is strictly prohibited.

[Foundling]

We haven't owed the IMF anything since 2005. Nobody's stopping anyone from doing anything. Pure fantasy.

[bayard]

Quote: Foundling

We haven't owed anything to the IMF since 2005. No one is forbidding anyone from doing anything.

That's what Putin thought in 2005, when he paid off his debts. He even launched Financial Reform. A very serious and sound reform. But then a US senator immediately arrived in Moscow with an ultimatum, threatening war and sanctions. Then the person in charge of the financial reform and several people involved, even pure theorists, were assassinated. The program was stopped, the issue was rolled back, and in exchange, Russia was allowed to monetize the economy to 40% (at that time, monetization was 4%!!), and Russia immediately experienced rapid economic growth of 7%+ per year, with the standard of living and public sector salaries growing even faster. Until 2014. Then there were sanctions, stagnation, and a resumption of growth in the first 1,5 months of the financial reform. Now there's a recession. But Nabiullina continues to cool Russia's overheated economy.

Quote: Foundling

Pure fantasy

When that same senator (the pilot shot down by a Russian missile) flew to Moscow in the fall of 2005, I was there and took part in the founding congress of the All-Russian Economic Society named after Sharapov. Along with those people who were killed a week and a half or two weeks later. That's just your imagination. I have knowledge.

[Foundling]

There's no organization called the "All-Russian Economic Society named after Sharapov"—you likely meant the Russian Economic Society named after S. F. Sharapov (REOSH) or confused it with the Free Economic Society of Russia (VEO). So, sit down, both of you!

[bayard]

At the time of its founding, it was called precisely that – "All-Russian." I know nothing about its subsequent fate or activities, other than occasionally seeing videos of Katasonov online. I found myself at that creative evening with O.A. Platonov, literally "from the boat to the ball" – I arrived in Moscow that very day, stopped by to see some friends at the Klykov Center (of Slavic Literature and Culture), and was invited to the evening. After the presentation of Sharapov's reprinted book, it was proposed to vote for an economic society named after him and, after that, to consider this meeting the founding congress. The point isn't even in the name of the society or its representatives, but in the creative legacy of this man, in his "Theory of Absolute Money," in the development programs for the Russian Empire he created and implemented only under Stalin.
And that meeting took place right after Putin announced the full repayment of debts to the IMF, and the person he authorized to carry out Financial Reform, shortly after that meeting (and he was there), announced the goal of this reform: to revoke the licenses of all commercial banks, leaving only state-owned ones – industry-specific ones and their branches. On central television. On a news program. And a week later, he was killed.
And yes, on the day of that founding congress, McCain flew to Moscow with an ultimatum to Putin. And on his way out, he said such things (that he forced Putin to hand over all of Russia's nuclear weapons to US control) that the first part of that evening was devoted to finding out what happened there. And only after that did the main part begin.

Quote: Foundling

sit down, two!

Keep this for yourself, you will need it.

[Foundling]

Moscow said such things... (that he forced Putin to transfer all of Russia's nuclear weapons to US control. My God, what utter nonsense. And yes, Russia fully repaid its debt to the IMF in January 2005, and early payments on its Paris Club debts were completed by August 2006. There are no official records of assassinations of high-ranking officials or individuals authorized to carry out reforms aimed at liquidating all commercial banks during this period. Let's talk about Martians instead))) That's harder to verify, to say the least.

[Foundling]

And Kozlov never spoke of liquidating all commercial banks. He fought for the laundries, and suffered for them.

[bayard]

You simply haven't heard him. But I listened to him both in person and during his interview on the Vremya program. What's more, I even knew the classmates (at Moscow State University) of the person who ordered his murder. Believe me, there's a serious crowd there. One of them is even the president of the Judo Federation. You have no idea about the topic you've touched on, you didn't know those people, you weren't involved in the events. So get busy with the Martians or whoever you've got going on there. It will bring you much more satisfaction. Don't delay.

[StupidEngineer]

Take off your rose-colored glasses. He's the visible part of the local government, appointed after the collapse of the 1991 superstate and the consolidation of external control in 1993. Therefore, expecting them and him, as the first official, to do anything for the benefit of the indigenous peoples of Rus' is very strange. And one of the recent events clearly demonstrated whose servant he is, so to speak, when the priests of a dark cult (whoever cares to understand why) in black hats, sitting next to the first one at the table, said, "We're comfortable in Russia." Meanwhile, these same priests have incited and continue to incite the southern people against them, and a bloody war is underway with enormous material and human losses on both sides. And in the southern lands, the "Servants of the People" project is being promoted, and their actions clearly demonstrate whose servants they are. And guess what, they're all the same degenerate.

[P]

A fool acts in all directions, statistically making right decisions as well as wrong ones. This is not the case at all.

[sgb-2017]

Putin had a chance to leapfrog the country economically and socially with the start of the Second World War. But everything went as usual...

[bayard]

If the country practically had no ground army, how else could it have gone? 280,000, including conscripts and officers! What could they fight with? And what were the "wise men and chess players" thinking about for the previous eight years? And what are they thinking about now?

[man]

https://alternathistory.ru/tihaya-revolyucziya-na-fronte-kitaj-predostavil-rossii-dlya-uchastiya-v-boevyh-dejstviyah-polnoczennyh-robotov/

[Alexander Odintsov]

Lagging behind in everything is the Kremlin's global goal. When there's oil and gas, and everything Gaidar bequeathed can be bought abroad, why bother with our own? And then the war began, and we're still lagging behind in drones, as we are in so many other things. It will always be like this with the current government.

[cocks]

Quote: U. Cheny

Now, whatever you take on, robots, space, even oil refining,

Even Chubais himself is not there.

[nazgul-ishe]

So the market hasn't put everything in its place. Buying and selling is paramount. They privatized the revenues and left the expenses to the state, but it's unwilling to spend. There are only projects, and not cheap ones at that.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: nazgul-ishe

So the market hasn't put everything in its place. Buy and sell are paramount.

Yes, in a sense, I did... In the market, you can also take the difficult route—doing your own thing and then making good money—or buy and sell in pursuit of instant profit. The first path is longer, more difficult, but much more promising, although the profit isn't immediate... first, there are investments...

[nazgul-ishe]

"First comes the investments."
Only a few invest their own funds in new developments, while many are waiting for government contracts with prepayment.

[tsvetahaki]

Quote: nazgul-ishe

So the market hasn't put everything in its place. Buy and sell are paramount.

The market acts like natural selection in a forest. The forest (local conditions) can be a southern jungle, an island, or a northern one.
But the local forest is surrounded by other forests and fields. And their market can put the local one in a comfortable position.
From military troubles - like the Opium Wars - to "one's place in the international division of labor" without regard for the dreams of the local market.

[Hagakure]

As it says in the famous photograph - Yura, we've lost everything!

[Machito]

Quote: Hagakure

As it says in the famous photograph - Yura, we've lost everything!

It never happened and here it is again.
They screwed up Tsushima.

[scientist]

There are several factors that prevent Russia from climbing out of the abyss of lagging behind in the field of science-intensive and high-tech production.
Firstly, Russia has the lowest level of R&D funding. Moreover, our scientists have practically ceased participating in international research projects. And this is not only due to sanctions. This means that integrating into global science, even with friendly countries, is simply out of the question. The fact that Russia currently ranks slightly higher than African countries in terms of research funding is solely due to military research.
Secondly, no capitalist, and especially no bank, will ever issue a loan for scientific research, even applied research, at such a key interest rate. Fundamental research is out of the question. For banks and any economic entity, this is a waste of money. And the government has no intention of changing this trend.
The first two reasons are responsible for a distortion in the training and compensation systems for engineering, technical, and programmer personnel. As soon as a miracle occurs and they begin receiving salaries comparable to those of bank employees or even minor managers in oil and gas companies, the country will be blessed with not only robots but also a host of other devices and solutions capable of significantly raising the technological level. Our people aren't stupid or lacking in imagination. They're just too trusting. Therefore, their leaders are overly greedy, trying to rake in the cash either for themselves or for their Western friends, wherever they have it.

[2 Level Advisor]

Globally, the leading researcher is a private individual, not a government-funded researcher. But in our system, for various reasons, private individuals don't need this—neither investment in production nor in science—that's the kind of "banana" capitalism we have. The share of private science in the world is very large: globally, business (the entrepreneurial sector) accounts for about 2 trillion rubles, or approximately 65–70% of all global R&D spending. Private businesses are the main sponsor and implementer of applied scientific research.

[spektr9]

In the world, the main researcher is a private individual, not a government one.
Private business is the main sponsor and implementer of applied scientific research.

You have to be able to carry something like that... For a private entrepreneur, the main thing is profit here and now. And all the development and other stuff is carried out by corporations that are formally private in some countries, and public in others. But in reality, they are inseparable from the state, and their research relies entirely on the state budget.
And the mantras about small businesses that research something and move somewhere are already boring, the Central African Republic and the Russian Federation perfectly show what happens if you rely solely on it

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: spektr9

All development and other activities are carried out by corporations that are formally private in some countries and public in others. But in reality, they are inseparable from the state, and their research relies entirely on state funds.

Yes... indeed, you have to be able to carry something like that. Any examples? Let's just leave out the controversial space issue—something else? For example, who came up with the F-16 and F-17, and how, and at whose expense, perhaps? Or could you give some examples of your own? Normal capitalism isn't structured like Russia's, so don't think the whole world lives like that...

Quote: spektr9

And the mantras about small businesses that research something and move somewhere are already boring, the Central African Republic and the Russian Federation perfectly show what happens if you rely solely on it

For example, half of the US taxes are collected from it. Again, just read up on normal capitalism, not its imitation in the Central African Republic and Russia. And anyway, did I write somewhere that small businesses are the main scientists? It feels like you don't care about the facts; the main thing is that your point of view is "correct." or will you provide facts anyway?

[Non-fighter]

Half of the taxes in the US are collected from small businesses

We have a different climate, or more precisely, a different strategy for interaction between the government and the people. We have effectively implemented the concept of "managed poverty," and we are moving toward that.
In America, to which you refer, 3% or so of income is spent on food, while here the majority of the population spends 40% or so. There's such a thing as mandatory payments – food, housing (utilities), transportation, communications. I'll cross out clothing and footwear. And what's left over is claimed by those same "small businesses."
An example is the presidential "Mashenka" and other "Sashenka," "Glashenka," and other bakeries. Their competitor is the nearby "Chizhik." If they can ensure that people buy their baked goods at a price/quality ratio, they'll survive; if not, alas. And don't forget that small and medium businesses are all about cash-in-hand wages and other tax gimmicks. In other words, these small and medium-sized enterprises are unprofitable for the authorities from a tax standpoint. In the West, they have a culture of paying taxes, but our capitalism hasn't yet reached that level.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Not the fighter

We have a different climate, or more precisely, a different strategy for interaction between the government and the people. We have effectively implemented the concept of "managed poverty," and we are moving toward that.
In America, to which you refer, 3% or so of income is spent on food, while here the majority of the population spends 40% or so. There's such a thing as mandatory payments – food, housing (utilities), transportation, communications. I'll cross out clothing and footwear. And what's left over is claimed by those same "small businesses."

All of this is absolutely true, but if you claim that developed capitalism is impossible here—in theory—I categorically disagree. There are tons of examples of countries both in history and around the world, as an example for you. This position is simply complacency, like we didn't build it because our nature is cold, enemies are everywhere, UFOs, etc., etc.—no, it's not like that. We need to govern honestly, far-sightedly, responsibly, and competently. That's the simple way to make everything work out... when one of these things is done poorly, and if two or three are done poorly, nothing will ever work out.

[Non-fighter]

When I spoke about “climate,” I did not mean natural phenomena, but the state of society, especially its elite.
An example: gasoline. Now they've finally started discussing a compensation mechanism, so that gasoline prices don't reach global levels (yeah, prices are at global levels, but why aren't wages and other benefits up to par?).
Compensations go to oil companies. By the time they reach the tank, they'll have been devoured from all sides. Why not pay them directly? Yes, I understand the shock of being asked to compensate the people.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Not the fighter

When I spoke about “climate,” I did not mean natural phenomena, but the state of society, especially its elite.

then, by and large, our positions are in solidarity

[Sergej1972]

The highest taxes in the US are on individual income, followed by corporate taxes. Small businesses are the third-largest taxpayer in the US.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Sergej1972

The highest taxes in the US are on individual income.

That's right, SP and SM taxes, which are sort of analogous to our individual entrepreneur taxes, also fall into this category...

[Essex62]

There was no private enterprise in the Soviet Union, but they built lunar rovers and science was at the highest level. So, today, the West benefits from its achievements. Take the much-hyped Musk, for example.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Essex62

There was no private enterprise in the Soviet Union, but they built lunar rovers and science was at the highest level. So, today, the West benefits from its achievements. Take the much-hyped Musk, for example.

What does the USSR have to do with it? We're talking about modern times, not the last century. Yes, everything can be developed by the state just fine. It was like that in the USSR.

[Essex62]

The thing is, things are really wrong today. And not just here, by the way. If you take Europe, there's a huge mess with their market and private sector, but they can afford to throw money away on mattresses because they print them for the entire planet. If we shut down this function... well, that's not really feasible today.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Essex62

however, today this is not realistic.

That's exactly what I meant... and I'm not sure it will get better in the future... I'm just going by what we have today... What's the point of saying that it was better in the past? Unfortunately, none... By the way, they might give us a run for our money, they might not, but for some, it's been a continuous run for 35 years now...

[AA17]

Private business is the main sponsor and implementer of applied scientific research.

A dubious thesis. I agree, private businesses invest in startups. But they do so to make a quick profit.
What private business would invest in science if the return might take decades, or perhaps never.

You've already heard: private scientific research is conducted with public funds. It's a very profitable business for private individuals.
Russian private business has a head start in all of this: developing the MS-21, Armata, Terminator, and so on from scratch.
The SJ-100 project occupies a special place. Work on this project began in 2000.
It's 2026 now.
What kind of private business can support this project for 26 years, INVESTING BILLIONS?
There is no sign of profit at all.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: AA17

A dubious thesis. I agree, private businesses invest in startups. But they do so to make a quick profit.

This is not a thesis, this is official data collected around the world, not the Russian Federation

Quote: AA17

What kind of private business can support this project for 26 years, INVESTING BILLIONS?

I was writing about normal capitalism... You read it, I focused on this... Boeing, Airbuses for example...

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I was writing about normal capitalism

There is no such thing as normal or abnormal capitalism. And the US example is extremely unfortunate in this regard. No country in the world could create such a fraudulent scheme, whereby the American currency, based on petrodollars, became a means of payment backed by the goods of half the global economy.
What you write about R&D in small and medium-sized businesses isn't entirely true. Research always involves risks, both financial and technological. Therefore, large corporations and companies typically create small subsidiaries to reduce these risks to their capital assets, i.e., to maintain investment appeal. Yes, they support them, but they don't finance them. Just look at how DARPA or NSF work.
This won't work in Russia because the fight for such funds would require imprisoning most officials for corruption and theft. We simply DO NOT have a lobbying law, which would require any American official or manager of a large company to pay a tax on bribes received for promoting the interests of private business.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

There is no normal or abnormal capitalism.

Okay, what kind of terminologist are you? Let it be developed and undeveloped.

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

And the US example in this case is extremely unfortunate. No country in the world could create such a fraudulent scheme, in which the American currency, instead of being based on petrodollars, became a means of payment backed by the goods of half the global economy.

Will Germany do? Sweden? Japan? And this is all about managing money, not its sources. That is, countries with a golden rain of money from their resources, but little use.

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

What you write about R&D in small and medium-sized businesses is not entirely true.

Let me clarify where I originally wrote about this? I was talking about "The share of private science in the world is very large: globally, business (the entrepreneurial sector) accounts for about 2 trillion, or approximately 65-70% of all global R&D spending. Private business is the main sponsor and implementer of applied scientific research..." Where is the reference to business size here?

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

This won't work in Russia because the fight for such funds would require imprisoning a large number of officials for corruption and theft.

I won't argue...

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

We simply DO NOT have a lobbying law.

In other countries besides the US, there aren't any either... but there are a ton of discoveries...

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Will Germany go? Sweden? Japan?

When Russia reaches a 0% or even 1% key rate, with government subsidies and benefits, things will not only improve, but also go further. Don't confuse soft with warm. Russia will be able to fit into this business model, but only with a complete change in its economic and political development model. For most Russians, I think the closest option is China or North Korea.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Private business is the main sponsor and implementer of applied scientific research.

This isn't entirely true for private business. Grants in the form of funding are always and everywhere provided by government funds. This funding can be full, if the project is being developed from scratch, which is rare. But it's usually partial, in which case existing developments, patents, and a technological base are used. This gives the impression that private business makes a significant contribution. Don't forget the different cultures in Russia and the West. There, the authority and reputation of even a minor corporate manager are worth an order of magnitude more than the name and authority of any politician. In Russia, it's precisely the opposite.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

Russia can fit into this business model, but only with a complete change in its economic and political development model. For most Russians, I think the closest option is China or North Korea.

Do you know how much a new metallurgical plant costs? Around $2 billion, the same as a new car plant and a bunch of other things. For $300 billion, 150 factories could have been built, but not a single one was built. And several times, $300 were simply scrapped. So ask yourself: why aren't we already mega-leaders in a bunch of fields? It's not about the business model—it's about execution. You don't necessarily have to become North Korea to start building industry. And also, I'm very unsure that most citizens want to live in North Korea. As for China, there's some agreement there.

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

This isn't entirely true for private businesses. Grants in the form of funding are provided by government funds everywhere and always.

Not everywhere and not always, but only to independent laboratories and researchers... figuratively speaking, no one will give money to a business to create a new type of fabric, plastic, or anything else, since that would be unfair competition... I'm not talking about the Russian Federation, of course...

[man]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

The world's leading private researcher

You're probably primarily referring to Elon Musk? I'm very interested. real The purpose of his trip to Moscow at the beginning of the century. What do you think?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: mann

You're probably thinking primarily of Elon Musk? I'm very interested in the real purpose of his trip to Moscow at the beginning of the century. What's your opinion?

It's not about him at all. Let's focus on things closer to earth, like new car models, medicine, next-generation electronic devices, and finally, fabrics and orthopedics. That's what I'm talking about. Research is needed everywhere, not just in space. Space and the military are the least saturated areas with private researchers. I suggest not even talking about space and Musk, it's all debatable. Although mass-produced electric cars are the result of his efforts.

[man]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I'm talking about this... about the fact that research is needed everywhere And not just in space... Space and the military are the least saturated area for private researchers... I suggest not even talking about space and Musk, everything is controversial there.

And you are interested in discussing the obvious?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: mann

And you are interested in discussing the obvious?

So they started to prove to me that only government money can advance science, and I proved that it's not the other way around, private money advances it more...for many, as it turns out, this is not at all obvious.

[man]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

It's not about him at all... let's get closer to the ground

So, I'm interested in Elon Musk precisely from a practical point of view. I would really like our authorities to become friends with him, so I’m probing It's a pity that he didn't have a very good relationship with his father, who came to Moscow. a year ago... but still...

[Non-fighter]

Private investment in science: who are we talking about? Mega-corporations that have been doing this for decades, and will continue to do so, and whose businesses are designed for the long haul, like Intel?
Or about our native Russian homespun business, which still hasn't gotten out of its "buy and sell" short pants?
Don't forget that the cost of development has increased exponentially; individuals can't achieve anything on their own; exceptions only prove the rule. We don't have any breakthrough areas where a breakthrough can be achieved with minimal investment.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Not the fighter

Don't forget that the cost of development has increased exponentially; individuals can't achieve anything on their own; exceptions only prove the rule. We don't have any breakthrough areas where a breakthrough can be achieved with minimal investment.

I'm not talking about us, but about how this is happening in the world and world science... we don't really fit into the picture here...

[alexoff]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

The share of private science in the world is very large: globally, business (the entrepreneurial sector) accounts for about 2 trillion, or approximately 65–70% of all global expenditure on research and development (R&D).

These, as I understand it, are essentially R&D departments in corporations. I don't know to what extent the multi-billion dollar expenditures on semiconductor research should be considered science; it's more like technology. They usually have experimental facilities there costing hundreds of millions of dollars. Or the pharmaceutical industry, which spends billions on various clinical trials. To what extent is that science?
And here, the only companies that contract for research are Rosatom, Sibur, and Rusal, and that's about it. Rosneft has a dysfunctional R&D department that doesn't do any development work. Gazpromneft is trying to do something, but I haven't heard any results; my friends there are mostly just sitting around doing nothing.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote from alexoff

How much science is this?

Do you think science is only about space and nuclear power? For example, in the USSR, an entire research institute was dedicated to developing new tire compounds, and no one said they weren't scientists. Even the food industry had more than one research institute.

Quote from alexoff

And here, the only companies that contract for research are Rosatom, Sibur, and Rusal, and that's about it. Rosneft has a dysfunctional R&D department that doesn't do any development work. Gazpromneft is trying to do something, but I haven't heard any results; my friends there are mostly just sitting around doing nothing.

Well, that's what I was writing about...

[alexoff]

Do you think science is only about space and nuclear power? For example, in the USSR, an entire research institute was dedicated to developing new tire compounds, and no one said they weren't scientists. Even the food industry had more than one research institute.

In my opinion, it's more about technology—the perfection of known entities, an extreme routine, long and tedious. If you started talking about this at a scientific conference, everyone would fall asleep. People go there for the salary and stability, while science is a lottery and a courier's salary, whether here or abroad.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote from alexoff

In my opinion, it's more like technology - bringing known entities to perfection, an extreme routine, long and tedious.

A new rocket, in that case, is also a technology, just like a new reactor... and science is the discovery of new laws of physics, planets, methods of treatment, etc. In fact, there are applied and fundamental sciences... both are considered sciences, and in my opinion, they are... like theoretical physics and applied physics... one or the other - without the other - is considered completely incomplete...

[alexoff]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

A new rocket in this case is also a technology

Most likely, yes, unless someone has come up with the idea of ​​filling it with synthin or something else unusual.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

as well as the new reactor

It seems Oppenheimer wrote that the nuclear baton was nothing new, everything had already been discovered, it was just necessary to assemble it all, scale it up and get what the military wanted.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

and science is the discovery of new laws of physics, planets, methods of treatment, etc.

Well, basically, yes. In English, there's the concept of STEM—Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics. A reactor based on old principles is an engineering and technological problem, and mathematics allows us to calculate all of this. Of course, mathematics itself is of no use to anyone; engineers and technologists won't get very far without fundamental discoveries. Science divorced from all this is, well, like Russian science, working for its own sake just to get grants.

[alexoff]

Quote: scientist

The fact that Russia is now slightly higher than African countries in terms of scientific funding is solely due to military research.

Last week they said the entire institute was being reduced to 0.1 of a full-time position again, at least for the non-managerial staff. To bring salaries up to the May decrees requiring scientists to earn twice the regional average, that is,

Quote: scientist

salaries at the level of bank employees or at least small managers in oil and gas companies

They're cutting our rates. They say accounting is based on the rate, and if the SNS receives 35 rubles, then at 0.1 rate they'll "receive" 350 rubles.
True, he will only see 0.1 part of this, but the main thing is the financial statements

[bk0010]

Quote: scientist

Secondly, no capitalist and no bank, especially with such a key rate, will ever issue a loan for scientific research, even applied research.

Have you heard anything about startups?

[scientist]

Quote: bk0010

Have you heard anything about startups?

I not only heard about it, but I was also careless enough to submit applications to participate several times. Until someone explained clearly to me and other naive people who could participate, why, and what would happen if we complained. Just look at how many scientists are serving prison sentences in Russia, and how many more didn't live long enough to do so; such stress doesn't improve their health. I'm not going to claim everyone is a sweetheart; maybe they actually recruited some. While the numbers are small, there are all sorts of people among us. But many were caught precisely because they tried to participate in startups run by private companies, sometimes even Russian ones. Those I know were sent, officially, applications that "suddenly" contained classified information, and the company suddenly didn't have security clearance, or the submission itself was flawed. There are plenty of ways to remove those undesirable from power.

[bk0010]

Quote: scientist

Find out how many scientists are serving prison sentences in Russia.

But they do exist abroad. The discussion was about capitalism in general.

Quote: scientist

Until it was explained to me and other naive people in a popular way who and why can participate in them and what will happen if we start complaining.

Now, in the 90s, which they scare us with, you could have simply wiped out such greyhounds.

[snow mountain]

Minister Valery Falkov directly pointed out the oversupply of students in Russia.

Mainly in the humanities. A young person with a technical degree won't be left without a job.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Schneeberg

Mainly in the humanities. A young person with a technical degree won't be left without a job.

Not so. Students in the Russian Federation studying social sciences (economics, law, management, sociology) account for about 28,2% of students, while engineering and technical specialties account for the largest share—about 32%. Techies have a different problem: there's no work available. There are no factories or plants.

[man]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Techies have a different problem: there's nowhere to work... there are no factories or plants.

Even now?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: mann

Even now?

What do you mean? Let's estimate... 800 thousand were enrolled in universities in 2021, they have just graduated... 270 thousand of them are engineers... and this happens every year... Do you think we have that many job openings? Are you kidding? Or is this sarcasm?
Only about 25–27% of engineering graduates remain in their field of study three years after graduation. About 14% go into IT, the same number into management, and the rest find fulfilling careers in finance, trade, and other industries. Of these, about 75% work in positions requiring higher education.
https://www.president- sovet.ru/presscenter/press/propavshie_tekhnari_pochemu_30_inzhenerov_rabotayut_tam_gde_diplom_ne_nuzhen/

[man]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

At the same time, about 75% work in positions that require higher education.

For the capitalist period, these are quite tolerable interest rates.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: mann

For the capitalist period, these are quite tolerable interest rates.

But for some reason, in many other capitalist countries, 75% of people work not just in higher-level positions, but in their specialty... and that's exactly right, I agree.

[man]

Quote: 2 level advisor

Quote: mann

For the capitalist period, these are quite tolerable interest rates.

But for some reason, in many other capitalist countries, 75% of people work not just in higher-level positions, but in their specialty... and that's exactly right, I agree.

My fault, I didn't specify what I meant exactly. our Russian capitalist periodI saw enough in the 90s... how techies and natural scientists had to survive... the apotheosis... the brother of my older friend, a talented doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, sold junk on the street ...what can we say about the PhDs and students...who are almost all...it's hard to remember...

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: mann

My apologies, I didn't specify that I was referring specifically to our Russian capitalist period. I saw enough in the 90s... how techies and natural scientists had to survive... the apotheosis... the brother of my older friend, a talented doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, sold junk on the street.

Yes, my dad, a researcher, and my mom, a doctor, weren't having a good time either.

[man]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Yes, my dad, a researcher, and my mom, a doctor, weren't having a good time either.

As I understand them...

[Alexey RA]

Only about 25–27% of engineering graduates remain in their field of study three years after graduation. About 14% go into IT, the same number into management, and the rest find fulfilling careers in finance, trade, and other industries. Of these, about 75% work in positions requiring higher education.

I wonder if these positions, where 75% of engineers who are not working in their specialty work, require real Higher education? Or just papers about it? If it's just papers, then the statistics for higher education are even worse.
In the 2000s, the value of diplomas was drastically devalued, thanks to a rash of "colleges," "international institutes," and "universities" operating in basements and dorms. As a result, higher education requirements began to be imposed on jobs that previously easily accommodated employees with vocational degrees.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Alexey RA

I wonder what positions 75% of engineers work in?

You're missing the point. This applies to positions with higher education, not engineering. This includes specialist positions in the municipal service in a general department, for example. Plus, the question of how many actually went on to work in their field after university hasn't been addressed. I think it's precisely that 25%...

Quote: Alexey RA

In the 2000s, the value of diplomas was drastically devalued, thanks to a rash of "colleges," "international institutes," and "universities" operating in basements and dorms. As a result, higher education requirements began to be imposed on jobs that previously easily accommodated employees with vocational degrees.

Of course, secondary specialized education is good, often better than higher education.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

You misunderstood. This applies to military positions, not engineering ones. This includes, for example, a specialist position in the general department of the municipal service.

That's what I was asking: is a higher education really necessary for the positions where they work? engineers not in their specialty?

Quote: Alexey RA

I wonder what these positions are like where they work 75% of engineers are not working in their specialty, demand real higher education? Or pieces of paper about him?

What I meant was precisely the increase in educational requirements for positions.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Alexey RA

What I meant was precisely the increase in educational requirements for positions.

Of course there are... it's just that when there are candidates with and without higher education, it's logical that they take those with higher education... yes, it's redundant, but why take people from a technical school when there are those from a university? If there weren't enough people with higher education, I think the bar would be lowered right away... For example, a system administrator in a government agency—why do they need someone with higher education? Maintaining computers, changing cartridges, and reinstalling the system? Well, a couple of times a year, maybe setting up a local network... Many modern schoolchildren can handle that...

[Million]

Russia will achieve nothing good with the current government.
This power is not a creator.

[VicktorVR]

People and horses are all mixed up... Industrial robots and lunar rovers...
The classic bequeathed: robotics should be introduced with moderation, avoiding bloodshed whenever possible.
The photo in the article is a headache for many people, but it's also a significant government subsidy. As a result, they stick it in everywhere, both where it's needed and where it's not.
In general, someone heard a beautiful word, and off she went... what is needed is not robotization, but automation of production, and robots are only a part of this.
Another issue is that automated production is inflexible and highly specialized. It's impossible to produce flanges on a bearing production line, so implementing automation requires a clear plan for at least five years, and here, no one often knows what will happen in six months. What robots are there?
And as a result, they created "Potemkin villages" where delegations arrive every week.

[ycuce234-san]

In reality, no one reconfigures bearing lines for a completely different product. They are adjusted based on performance.
On the other hand, it is necessary to carry out preventative automation not only in factories, but also in the construction and maintenance sectors, which will reduce the problem of poor quality work and the excessive use of foreign workers in these areas.
For example, a house-building plant produces beams, slabs, columns, piles, and bricks identically for decades. But its advanced automation will allow for lower costs for increasingly expensive building materials and a reduction in the number of workers on site.

[Mihail35]

You clearly haven't worked on a construction site, otherwise you wouldn't be writing such nonsense. They haven't used prefabricated slabs and piles in apartment buildings for a long time. It's unprofitable. What's needed here is more focused on mobile reinforced concrete workshops and 3D printing.

[ycuce234-san]

3D printing in construction hasn't yet become widespread. But even if concrete and frame production is located on-site, it must be set up as mobile automated production lines. And not everything can be manufactured this way. For example, many technical concrete products and construction ceramics are manufactured on-site.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

At least some basic mechanization would be welcome here. At one of the organizations where I worked, all the hoists were cut off from the buildings to avoid inspection procedures. It took six people to lug the 200-kilogram equipment up the stairs.
You can't find stepladders and drills. They require inspections everywhere.
We descend into the Stone Age.

[Plowman]

Robots are not needed to pump oil and gas.

[Plowman]

When discussing the development paths of the USSR (RSFSR), Chubais and Gaidar unanimously shouted, "China is not our path to development; it's back to communism." That's right, they've led us into the swamps of economic stagnation. One smokes a pipe in Israel, the other gets a museum and honors.

[snow mountain]

second, museum and honors

They even created the Gaidar Institute (RI). Apparently, the authorities think we're on the right track, Gaidar's.

[Non-fighter]

Regarding automation, you have to do it with your head, with your head!
In the 1990s, he worked at a factory and was listed as a "machine and industrial robot adjuster."
What kind of "robots" did I have? Well, firstly, the STAS (automated warehouse crate handling system). A cart that moves between two racks and delivers and removes standard crates. It's assembled using Logika T series components; anyone who's worked with one knows, but if the sensors worked properly and the crates were placed straight and not crooked, the system was perfectly functional. Secondly, the RTKP, a robotic cleaning system with the Elektronika 60 brain. With a mnemonic diagram on the display, temperature control, and so on. It would have been better to make a set of baths with thermostats on each and a set of manipulators; all this is simpler and easier to repair.
Regarding today's robotics: until we change the psychology of business, nothing will happen. Because automation is an initial investment.
Let's not talk about robots somewhere out there, let's talk about the housing and utilities sector we see every day. For example, there's a snowfall, and the paths need to be cleared and chemicals spread in the morning. If this isn't done by 8 a.m., the paths will become a skating rink. There are two options: either a team of "valuable specialists" or a Bobcat-type microtractor, which one worker can use in the morning to clear the paths. But the microtractor itself costs money, the worker must be qualified, and the terrain needs to be taken into account; a microtractor won't fit up stairs.

[cmax]

I don't know what the author expects in terms of Russia's robotization, but given the current situation of lagging behind in every area (except the number of billionaires and officials), Russia has already fallen behind, and likely forever. You can wring your hands all you want, but the country's current economic model and Nabiullina's banking system have reached their peak. Further down the line, all that's left is to change the "academies," and a transition to the third world (the backwaters) of the world looms. In my humble opinion.

[Shumi2010]

At Baumanka, the RK10 (Robotic Systems) department was closed in the early 10s. The faculty was transferred to an adjacent department.

The text mentions robots at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant—some of the teachers later transferred to RK10. And... they weren't given liquidators.

[Kuziming]

1. Robots are the tip of the iceberg.
They rely on a well-developed machine tool base. Without our own machine tool industry, we won't have our own robotics.
It's impossible to leap from 60s-era machine tools to modern robots. It's like designing computers using Ivan the Terrible's technology.
Machines with a high degree of precision and mass production of such machines are needed.
2. Current robot vendors. The basic components are manufactured in China. Ours can replace the frame and housing, repaint, or order repainting in China.
But that's only half the trouble.
Salespeople prioritize managers over engineers. The scheme goes like this: they raise money for a startup, hire three engineers and ten managers. Then they get rid of the engineers. Then the company becomes uncompetitive.
The primacy of the "seller" over the "techie" shapes the ugly reality of our time.
3. A shortage of personnel. The education system is producing a generation of "Alice, tell me..."
By the end of high school, potential blue-collar candidates are firmly on the path to conscious dementia.

[P]

Under capitalism, there will be no other approach. The lack of a sales niche (managers) means the end of production. Because with sales, you don't even need a single engineer. A perfectly streamlined factory that produces the best products in the world out of thin air will be closed without a market and scrapped.

[Moneron]

You fall from a high ladder instantly... and the climb back up is slow and tedious, like the first time... and your previous conquest of the top of the ladder has no significance for a faster return to the top. This peak was conquered by people of a different generation. And now there is no one left to climb this Golgotha... There are no fools left to take on such responsibility... and Putin's magic kick won't help here. Technological revolutions are not made with kicks... You need to think with your head here.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I'd like to philosophize. Some of the creations of previous generations should be viewed with great criticality. But not in the field of industrial production.
For example, the Khrushchev-era layout of the courtyards near the five-story buildings. It seems impossible to create more unbearable living conditions. A narrow driveway, dense, filthy bushes close to the curb, and a fence, like a cemetery. Cars rush down this narrow driveway, driving pedestrians past, forcing them to crowd into the bushes. They rush so fast that it's scary to walk down the steps. There are no sidewalks. For comparison, I looked at the bushes near the Catholic church. There, the bushes are strictly 1,5 meters from the road, not bothering anyone.
Or entrances on both sides of the building. All buildings should be built with entrances on both sides. But in our areas, where such entrances exist, the housing authorities board up the doors to the other side of the building, even though they've long been using intercoms to keep out strangers!
Why do I care about automation when simply walking across the yard is a quest with an unpredictable outcome. All I have to do is dodge cars at any given moment. I even tested how many times I can walk across the yard without hitting a car. Not once in a week, even at night, can I walk past the building without a hitch.
We are systemically lagging behind in architecture and road design. And no one is even trying to overcome this lag. And poorly constructed buildings will stand for centuries.

[dnestr74]

Have you been to the modern-day human anthills? The Khrushchev-era buildings would seem like paradise, really!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

That's the point: the problem isn't acknowledged, but continues to multiply and deepen. Even new courtyards are riddled with errors, very serious errors, even if there's space, they're designed incorrectly.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

For example, the Khrushchev-era layout of the courtyards near the five-story buildings. It seems impossible to create more unbearable living conditions. A narrow driveway, dense, filthy bushes close to the curb, and a fence like a cemetery. Cars rush down this narrow driveway, scattering pedestrians, forcing them to crowd into the bushes. They rush so fast that it's scary to walk down the steps. There are no sidewalks.

So, where cars rush, there used to be a sidewalk. Alas, our ancestors couldn't foresee that their means of resettling people from barracks, basements and communal apartments will stand for 70 years and will be considered housing in the 21st century.
And when Khrushchev-era buildings were being built, private vehicles were a rare commodity. And even later... I saw a photo of Nevsky Prospekt in the 70s: there were fewer cars there than public transportation.

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Or entrances on both sides of the building. All buildings should be built with entrances on both sides. But in our areas, where such entrances exist, the housing authorities board up the doors to the other side of the building, even though they've long been using intercoms to keep out strangers!

This is a classic.

In Moscow, they love to lock their doors. Thousands of front entrances are boarded up from the inside, and hundreds of thousands of citizens sneak into their apartments through the back door. 1918 has long since passed, the concept of "apartment raid" has long since become obscure, the door-to-door security organized by residents for safety has disappeared, the traffic problem is being solved, huge power plants are being built, the greatest scientific discoveries are being made, but no one has dedicated their life to solving the problem of locked doors.

© Ilf and Petrov. The Twelve Chairs.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You're completely wrong. The problem of driving through courtyards has been a persistent one since the 80s. By the 90s, it had become completely unbearable. But nothing in the design of Khrushchev- and Brezhnev-era buildings has changed. This wretched and dangerous design has been replicated for decades. That's precisely the point. The problem isn't that a mistake was made, but that the mistake isn't acknowledged.
And what's the point of an architect if they can't foresee? They're elite, educated people. With such an elite, the country has no future, and that's the point.
This excuse, who knows, can be applied to anyone, but not to an architect.
Regarding the number of cars and roads. In the 50s and 60s, roads were built according to all the rules, with U-turn areas and roundabouts. But then, starting in the 70s, they suddenly stopped building properly, and all that was left were stupid cross-shaped intersections.
And finally, watch the film "Office Romance." It shows the number of cars in the early seventies well.
The road design problem has become completely insane. On weekends, 15 km takes 40 minutes. On weekdays, 8 km takes an hour. And this is in a regional center that is far from the most populated.
And since the time of Ilf and Petrov, much has changed; architects have generally stopped making entrances with exits on both sides of the building.
Why doesn't the government penalize property management companies for boarding up their doors? This is a national problem. A maple tree in a garden plot will be penalized 50-80 years after the problem has arisen. But what about boarding up doors?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

You're all wrong. The problem of driving through courtyards has been a serious one since the 80s. And by the 90s, it had become completely unbearable. But nothing has changed in the layout of Khrushchev- and Brezhnev-era buildings.

So, you blame the architects and builders of the 50s and 60s (Khrushchev-era buildings) for not having foreseen the increase in the number of private vehicles in the 80s?

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

And why do we need an architect at all if he is not able to foresee?

Anticipate what? Shift away from public transport era of building communism Personal? Or the insatiable desire of citizens to park right at their front door instead of in a designated parking lot or garage?

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

And finally, watch the film "Office Romance." It shows the number of cars in the early seventies well.

And there is also an assault on public transport by passengers.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Don't confuse warm with soft.
In the 50s, pile foundations weren't widely used. Therefore, the front of Stalin-era buildings was paved with asphalt to protect against water penetration.
And everything is fine with the roads of the 50s and 60s; they were built with a large reserve.
The problem is in the courtyards of the 60s and 70s, where everything is very bad.
The main problem is that the architects don't want to admit the mistakes of the original layout, with bushes encroaching on the road and the lack of sidewalks. Most importantly, there are no entrances with access on both sides of the building and no archways for passage.
And yes, the architect, who has before his eyes the mass motorization in other countries of the world, did not want to foresee and lay the foundations for the architecture of the future.
If only the architects of that time hadn't had examples of what to expect in the future. But they did.
Therefore, architecture continues to be one of Russia's main problems. More precisely, the lack of architecture and public understanding of what should be expected and demanded of architects and architecture.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: Alexey RA

Or the insatiable desire of citizens to park right at the entrance instead of an equipped parking lot or garage

What a joke! With your permission, I'll post it in my Memories and troll Muscovites with it. :)

[Waifu]

And where do we have no crisis after the restoration of capital?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Waifu

And where do we have no crisis after the restoration of capital?

We don't even have capitalism yet.

[Kuziming]

Let me give you an example of "robotization." We have a fully automated imported yogurt production plant. It has a highly complex system, sterile conditions, and the finished product is filled into jars. There are several fully automated production units. All the equipment is white.
And in the very last workshop there is a bright red domestic robot that takes a pallet with boxes and moves it onto a forklift.
And an excited, happy manager runs around, telling everyone how great he has been at implementing robotics.

[P]

You're being ironic in vain. Any project starts small, and logistics is one of the most frequently used operations in production.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Pandemic

You're being ironic for no reason. Every project starts small.

But here in Russia it ends at the small one.

[Mekey Iptyshev]

I remember one guy. He enrolled in a robotics program in 1990 or 1991. He graduated, but couldn't find a job. While he was studying, a lot of factories and plants said "bye-bye." That's it, he had to go into business.
Regarding education, we have French students studying at our Siberian university, and their major is also related to robotics.
The main problem is where to go to work afterwards. The number of students at technical universities probably exceeds industry demand. I think so, and I hope I'm wrong.

[exo]

The program to increase labor productivity isn't about saturating production facilities with technology, but rather about total time tracking and rewriting the figures accordingly. What robots are we talking about?

[P]

A conscious refusal to develop is a choice made by the ruling class to maintain its position. There are many reasons: developed production relations dictate a different system of government and different relations of appropriation. In such a system, the worms are in no way able to even explain the legality and fairness of owning the assets they own. The choice of primary assets for profit generation is dictated by the place the hegemonic worms assigned to our local worms. With highly processed products (and there were products, from chemicals and devices to chips and computers), they would have had to compete with the hegemons, and the local worms couldn't afford this, as they were agents of the hegemons.

[steelmaker]

Another article confirms that Putin has never defended the interests of the country and the people!!

[P]

Master the basic works on social sciences. Then you won't have any emotional conflicts about your worldview and reality, because theory and facts coincide.

[Alexei-]

As long as the Central Bank's aunts and uncles and those perched atop the gas and oil pipelines are in charge of the economy, there will be no sensible robotization. IMHO, of course.

[cytadell]

Dear author! Excellent article. And the conclusions are quite restrained, because if you look at things globally, it's both funny and sad. The production culture is close to zero, the attitude towards work is not the best, working conditions are so-so, but for the most part, poor. The involvement of young people in the production sector is nothing short of ridiculous. The organizational structure at enterprises often works like in Krylov's fable - the Swan, the Crayfish, and the Pike.
Over time, new equipment becomes covered in "snot," "crutches," and "bullshit"—all just to keep it running. Meanwhile, maintenance crews get bogged down in a rut of pointless manipulations, like scrubbing gas lines with rags and monthly scrubbing of critical equipment—all to keep it running. The cycle of "bullshit" on equipment is ineradicable, and so on.
Young people come to the company, see that most of the employees don't give a damn about their work, and follow their example. And so it goes, year after year. If the salaries are good, they can relax and not worry about it.
Over the past six years, 75% of the team's capable employees have quit, and another 25% of capable newcomers have decided not to join the company due to its incompetent organization and management. There's no future, and the atmosphere is oppressive. 20 people working in a 20-square-meter space. The prospects of being a universal supporter are bleak, and lately it's been all stand-and-take, drop-and-run.
And you're talking about lofty matters here: robotics – to be or not to be!? It's funny here, like the Russian Hamlet.
Robotization begins with a smart, competent, and efficient manager and ends with a well-coordinated team of specialists and a hard-working staff of other employees with technical education. Oh, my...

[sub307]

"In the foreseeable future, no one is going to sell the most advanced industrial robots to Russia. Even friendly while China." https://topwar.ru/285521-robototehnika-v-rossii-v-preddverii-strategicheskogo-krizisa.html
A very true reservation... - exactly while, because, apparently, Russia, in its current form, is not a "player" in the struggle for geopolitical leadership. But China is quite a player... and it's quite possible that China, sooner or later, will need all of Russia's resources before a "battle" with the United States.

[igorra]

Yura, we've all fallen in love... What robots? Dzhamshuts are our everything. Russians are going to war, they're getting killed in Ukraine, let them defend their own. According to various sources, around 10 million people have received Russian citizenship since 92, most from Central Asia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia. How many of these new citizens have gone to defend their new homeland? I think the number is on the margin of statistical error. But we're so kind, we'll give free apartments to the Islamists who receive citizenship. So, under Glavkommers' rule, only bankers are flourishing and dollar billionaires are springing up like mushrooms after rain. The members of United Russia are nothing to write home about; they're all honest and decent people.
It's a shame that Elektronika's song about progress remained there, in the Great Country. In Yuri's Country.

[agond]

Robotization. Robotization. ..... the productivity of rotary conveyor lines is orders of magnitude higher than the productivity of robots... of any kind.

[Motorist]

Singapore is consistently in the top three, with a score of around 730

There's practically no real fuel sector in Singapore. What are robots doing there—helping to underfill? That's basically it: mass flow meters and electronic bunker receipts are legal.

[AllPhil]

What does socialism or capitalism have to do with it? Putin and his friends all hail from the USSR, and that's what they built for us, just version 2.0.
One leader, one party, dissent persecuted, even to the point of criminal prosecution, the elite have everything, the rabble have whatever they can get. Information is limited or blocked whenever possible. Elections are a sham. People's power is just a slogan. Their children are at the top after them. The people's opinion is irrelevant. Anyone who speaks up will be quickly silenced by the internal troops (Rosgvardia).
You wanted the USSR back – well, here it is, eat it up and don't get your hands dirty. Only improved (on their side), and worsened for the rest of us. Otherwise, it's exactly the same.
"The form of government as an integral part of the form of the state."
Theory of state and law, first year.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: AllPhil

One leader, one party, dissent persecuted, even to the point of criminal prosecution, the elite have everything, the rabble have whatever they can get. Information is limited or blocked whenever possible. Elections are a sham. People's power is just a slogan. Their children are at the top after them. The people's opinion is irrelevant. Anyone who speaks up will be quickly silenced by the internal troops (Rosgvardia).

If you replace one leader and one party with two talking dolls and two parties that put on a show every 4 years, nothing will change.

...dissent is persecuted, even to the point of criminal prosecution. The elite have everything, while the rabble gets whatever they can get. Information is limited whenever possible, or even blocked altogether. Elections are a sham. People's power is just a slogan. Their children are at the top after them. The people's opinion is irrelevant. Anyone who speaks up will be quickly silenced by the police or the National Guard.

The elite can break the law as much as they want—they'll be pardoned no matter what. At worst, they'll wage a small, victorious war to cover up the scandal. And witnesses and accomplices who aren't part of the elite simply won't survive to see the trial.

[skeptic]

Quote: sgb-2017

Putin had a chance to leapfrog the country economically and socially with the start of the Second World War. But everything went as usual...

Do you seriously believe that under Yelkina, when no important position was passed without CIA approval, anyone (without the yoke of compromising material) could have taken a leading role in Russia's government? Who would allow a policy independent of the US?

[dg10105]

"Horses and people are all mixed up," and the author also threw the education system, robotic manipulators, and statistics taken out of context into the mix. Automation is a funny story: replacing a regular loader with a robot is expensive and difficult, and in most cases, simply not profitable. But replacing some office plankton with neural networks is easy and quite profitable. Naive dreamers believed that humans would be creative and robots would do the hard work—but reality turned out to be the exact opposite.
It's unfair to directly compare a factory producing millions of units for the global market with a local production facility subject to sanctions. Take South Korean Hyundai, for example. Say, the Korean factories are full of robots, while the Russian one is staffed by alcoholics with wrenches? But if you think about it...
That's not how it works. First, a proper national development strategy is developed, taking into account a multitude of factors, information on which is simply inaccessible to ordinary people. Then, within the framework of this strategy, the necessary production facilities and the optimal level of automation within the given constraints are determined.
For example, the Baimsky Mining and Processing Plant is highly automated, so bringing workers there is expensive. But automating the Vorkuta coal mine isn't cost-effective—the best seams there have already been mined.
You can loudly criticize the level of automation at factories that are dying for objective reasons. But that's silly—the problem there usually isn't the machines. Either the market has collapsed, or the owner is incompetent, or the processes aren't well-established, or the competitors are squeezing them out, or they were built as planned, unprofitable factories during the Soviet era, etc. Take the UAZ plant, for example—the problem there isn't even close to automation. Even if you installed a thousand state-of-the-art robots there, it wouldn't help.

[APASUS]

What robotics are we talking about? Someone at a very high level is lobbying for the importation of migrants, and what they're importing are not specialists, but shawarma makers. I know from a company that's the opposite. They started buying welding robots, not because they had a surplus of money, but because they lacked welders.

[AppoloDiomed]

На другом ресурсе недавно читал про проблемы роботизации с которыми сталкиваются на практике. Многие старые заводы в силу архитектуры зданий не пригодны для размещения робототехнических систем, нужно строить и переносить производства в специально спроектированные цеха, а это совсем другой порядок затрат, которые непонятно как окупать. Вновь построенные заводы в этом плане уже получше, много где уже все автоматизированно. А пытался на производстве, где работал установить роботов для упаковки продукции, не смогли впихнуть в существующее здание.
Тут вылазит сравнение с Китаем и Кореей, там цех это просто сооружение из металлопрофиль без отопления и утепления., стоит копейки, а у нас нужно и утеплять и отапливать и освещать, цены в разы отличаются.
Поэтому у нас сейчас развивается автоматизация в складском деле, новые склады сильно роботизированы. Ну хоть что-то