Trophy armored vehicles Wehrmacht. the USSR

The Germans got the largest trophies during Operation Barbarossa. Suffice it to say that by August 22, 1941 they had shot down and captured 14 Soviet tanks. However, attempts to use such rich trophies from the very beginning were fraught with great difficulties. A significant part of Soviet tanks was so broken in battle that it was only suitable for scrap. In most tanks, which did not have visible external damage, inspection revealed breakdowns of the engine, transmission or chassis units, which proved impossible to eliminate due to the lack of spare parts.

The first Soviet T-26 tanks captured as trophies began to be used by the Wehrmacht in the summer of 1941. In the photo above - the tank T-26 rev.1939. Pulls out a Mercedes-Benz 3-ton truck stuck in the mud

The same tank guards the rear park of one of the Wehrmacht infantry units

The main reason for the weak interest of the Germans to the captured Soviet armored vehicles was the high losses of Germany in their own combat vehicles and the associated enormous workload of repair-evacuation and rehabilitation services. Engaging trophy tanks was simply no time. As a result, by October 1941, there were only about 100 Soviet tanks of various types in German troops. The rest, abandoned on the battlefield, Soviet armored vehicles, after standing in the open air the winter of 1941 / 42 of the year, could not be restored. During this period, the Wehrmacht received only a few T-26 (Pz.740 (r), BT-7 (Pz.742 (r) and T-60) from repair companies. Most of the machines, first of all, T-34 (Pz. 747 (r) and KB (Pz.753 (r), used by front-line units, were captured in fully working order, were immediately put into service and operated until they were destroyed or failed for technical reasons.

Only from the middle of the year 1942, the units equipped with captured Soviet tanks began to be supplied to the armament of the units from German repair shops. The main one specialized in our equipment was a repair factory in Riga. In addition, from 1943, individual T-34s were rebuilt at Daimber-Benz’s factories in Berlin and Wumag in Herlitz.

T-26 tanks in a German field workshop. In the foreground - T-26 rev.1933g. with a red star and the words "Captured by the 15 Infantry Regiment". Background: T-26 arr. 1939 with the cross, the name of Tiger II and the tactical badge of the SS 3 Panzer Division "Dead Head"

Trophy Soviet tank T-26 arr. 1939, used for training combat training tasks for interaction with infantry, in one of the units of the Wehrmacht

After the Germans captured Kharkov in the spring of 1943, a repair workshop was set up in the shops of the Kharkov Tractor Plant by the SS Reich division, in which several dozen T-34 tanks were restored. For parts of the SS in general was characterized by a more active use of captured Soviet tanks. Moreover, in a number of cases they were in service with tank subunits together with German tanks. In the division "Reich" formed a separate battalion, which was armed with 25 tanks T-34. Some of them were equipped with German command turrets.

Tank BT-7 arr. 1935 in the Wehrmacht. 1943 (or 1944) year. Combat vehicle painted yellow

A Red Army soldier examines a BT-7 tank dubbed 1937 dug into the ground, used by the Germans as a fixed firing point. 1943 year

Trophy tank T-34 of the 98-th Infantry Division of the Wehrmacht. East Front, 1942 year

The T-34 tanks from the 3 6th Tank Division of the SS "Dead Head". 1942 year

Separate T-34 tanks without towers were used by the Germans as evacuation tractors.

As for heavy KB tanks, judging by the available data, in the German units their number was small and hardly exceeded 50 units. These were mainly Chelyabinsk-made KV-1 tanks with ZIS-5 guns. However, there is information about the use in the Wehrmacht of a certain amount of, apparently, very small, KV-2 tanks.

Instead of a large hatch on the roof of the tower of this tank T-34, a commander's turret was installed, borrowed from the tank Pz.lll

German commander's turrets were installed on some trophy T-34 later modifications - with the so-called improved turret.

Trophy tank T-34, converted by the Germans into an anti-aircraft self-propelled unit with a 20-mm quad automatic gun. 1944 year

Judging by the photos, on some KBs, to improve visibility, they installed commander's turrets from German tanks Pz.III and Pz.IV. But the most creatively approached this issue in the 22 of the German tank division. Captured by this compound at the end of the summer 1943, the KV-1 tank was equipped not only with a commander's turret, but also rearmed with a German 75-mm long-barreled gun.

Trophy tanks T-34 repaired in the shop Kharkov Locomotive Plant. Spring 1943 of the year. The work was carried out by a special enterprise created within the structure of the 1 SS tank corps

The repaired T-34 tanks became part of the mixed tank company of the Reich SS division, where they were used in conjunction with the German Pz.IV

One of the T-34 tanks of the “Great Germany” motorized division. In the foreground is the Sd.Kfz.252 armored personnel carrier. East Front, 1943 year

In May, 1942 of the year during the preparation of the German assault on the island of Malta (Operation Hercules) was supposed to form a company of captured heavy KV tanks. They planned to entrust the fight with the British infantry tanks "Matilda", were part of the garrison of the island. However, the required number of serviceable KB tanks did not turn out and this idea was not implemented, especially since the landing on Malta itself did not take place.

A number of captured light tanks T-70 and T-70М were used by Wehrmacht units under the designation Panzerkampfwagen T-70®. The exact number of these machines is unknown, but there are hardly any more 40 - 50 units. Most often, these tanks were used in infantry divisions and police units (Ordnungspolizei), and in the latter (for example, in the 5-th and 12-th police tank companies) T-70 was operated until the end of the 1944 year. In addition, quite a few T-70 turrets with towers were used to tow 50- and 75-mm anti-tank guns.

Another option for using captured vehicles - the upper part of the hull and the turret of the T-34 tank became the basis for creating a broker-tank destroyer (Panzerjagerwagen). 1944 year

Armored vehicles in the yard of the repair plant in East Prussia: tanks "Panther", T-34 and double-turret T-26 (!). 1945 year (center)

The KV-1 heavy tank used in the Wehrmacht 1 Panzer Division. East Front, 1942 year

Very rarely captured Soviet tanks were converted by the Germans into self-propelled guns. In this regard, the episode of the manufacture of ten self-propelled guns based on the T-1943 tank at the end of 26 of the year can be considered the most widespread. Instead of towers, they installed 75-mm French cannons (7,5-st Rak 97 / 98 (f), covered with a shield. These machines entered service with the 3-th company of the 563-th anti-tank division. However, their combat service was short-lived - already 1 March 1944, they were all replaced by ACS Marder III.

There is a known case of conversion of the T-34 tank into a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. The standard turret was dismantled, and in its place was installed a rotating, top-mounted, special welded turret with a 20-mm quad Flakvierling 38 installation. In the spring of 1944, this machine was listed as part of the 653 heavy anti-tank division of the Ferdinand self-propelled gun.

Installation of 75-mm tank gun KwK40 with a barrel length in 43 caliber in the tower of a captured Soviet KV-1 tank. Wehrmacht 22 Panzer Division, 1943 year

"Monster Stalin" - heavy tank KV-2 in the ranks of Panzervaffe! Combat vehicles of this type were used by the Germans in the number of several copies, however, judging by the photos, at least one of them was equipped with a German commander's turret

In general, the number of Soviet tanks used by the German troops was very limited. Thus, according to official data, in May 1943 of the Wehrmacht there were 63 Russian tanks (of which 50 - T-34), and in December 1944 of the year - 53 Russian tanks (of which 49 - T-34).

Of course, these data cannot be considered complete, as they most likely do not take into account the individual vehicles used outside the units of captured tanks, both in tank and motorized and infantry divisions of the Wehrmacht and the SS.

Trophy tank T-60 tows 75-mm light infantry gun. It is noteworthy that on this machine, used as a tractor, a tower has been preserved. 1942 year

This turret-less, captured T-60 is used as a light armored personnel carrier armed with an MG34 infantry machine gun. Voronezh, summer 1942 of the year

The T-70 light tank converted into a tractor tows an 75-mm anti-tank cannon Cancer 40

In total, from June 1941 to May 1945, the German troops commissioned and used more than 300 Soviet tanks in fights with the Red Army.

Soviet armored cars were used mainly in those parts of the Wehrmacht and the SS troops that captured them, and even then this is extremely limited. Among the German armored vehicles operated by the Germans, mention may be made of the BA-20 - (Panzerspahwagen BA 202 (g), BA-6, BA-10 (wearable panzer), and the BA-203. purpose - for towing light artillery. A case of installing an 64-mm anti-tank cannon 37 / 35 Cancer behind a regular shield on a roof is known.

A tractor - a captured Soviet T-70 tank without a turret - tows the same captured Soviet 76-mm ZIS-3 gun. Rostov-on-Don, 1942 year

The German officer uses the BA-3 armored car tower as an observation point. 1942 year. Overall caterpillars are put on the wheels of the rear axles.

Preventing an attack of your own aviation, German soldiers in a hurry to fortify the flag with a swastika on a captured Soviet armored car BA-10

Comments

[Bongo]

I think the use of captured Soviet armored vehicles in the German army was more large-scale, it was far from always reported "to the top" about this and reflected in the documents.

[Avenger711]

That did not prevent the use of "Shermans" in noticeable quantities in Normandy, although then the preponderance of the allies was already overwhelming and the possibilities of capture were limited.

[hiocraib]

T-34 engine life was 100 hours ... the vast majority of armored vehicles that came to the Germans at the beginning of the war had big problems with the engines (there were a lot of cars for overhaul) - and the Germans had nowhere to take them from. Yes, and restore someone else's car instead of their own - what for it is needed?

[Blackgrifon]

"The service life of the T-34 was 100 hours ... the overwhelming majority of armored vehicles that got to the Germans at the beginning of the war had big problems with the engines" - on the whole I agree with your point of view, but to be precise:
1. T-34 was a new tank and quite reliable just sent to the troops;
2. According to official sources, in addition to technical problems, a lot of cars were abandoned due to lack of fuel.

[Kars]

Quote: Blackgrifon

1. T-34 was a new tank and quite reliable just sent to the troops;

The engine life was really small, and the B-2 engine was very raw.

[Blackgrifon]

Kars!

Maybe I didn’t understand something, but in 42 V-2 it was still standing on the T-34 family tanks, and the repair was not so frequent. Another modification of the V-2 engine?

[the47th]

V-2 - the aircraft engine was very progressive at that time, and assembly by unqualified personnel resulted in these problems. By the 42nd year, build quality had increased and there were fewer problems.

[Kars]

Quote: Blackgrifon

Maybe I didn’t understand something, but in 42 V-2 it was still standing on the T-34 family tanks, and the repair was not so frequent. Another modification of the V-2 engine?

Rather, they didn’t understand something. In 1942, he was not very good either; he became good from 1943.
Not the same thing, but more developed, better made.
It feels like you have not updated the information in the last 20 years.

http://flibusta.net/b/146868/read

[captain]

Thanks to the author for the article. Our T-26 and BT-7 tanks had a motor resource of about 400 km, the German t-3-4 about 600. Rotmistrov on the Kursk Bulge proposed moving the army to the Prokhorovka area on his own and lost half of the t-34 tanks on the road, they were out of order, in connection with a small motor resource.

[mvbmvbmvb]

MTBF of a more modern Tiger-type tank is 20 hours.

[77bor1973]

Of particular interest is the use of the T-70 as an armored personnel carrier, ours didn’t think of something like that!

[malikszh]

T-70 is temporary so, in the beginning of the years, huge losses of armored vehicles. they urgently released this light tank. Of course they didn’t think then we needed tanks and not towing transports.

[Bongo]

However, they were used very often as tractors, but not from a good life.

[Larus]

These "temporary" tanks are very fond of new liberal "historians" to pile up in a common heap and wave a leaflet with a huge number of tanks at the spacecraft.

[Avenger711]

Confused with the T-60.

[lelikas]

Thought, actually -

[Roll]

Ours and the commander’s tower didn’t even think of putting tanks on their tanks, preferring to fight in the blind, and on t-70 if my memory serves me up, the mechanic could get stuck or fly out if the tower was turned, so the Hans used the T-70 without a tower.

[Avenger711]

The sense of the turret if there is no mastered production of good optics?

[Blackgrifon]

"What's the point of the turret if there is no mastered production of good optics?" - the turret commander is intended for the tank commander, not for the gunner. Accordingly, the quality of the optics, although it had an impact, was not the most critical.

[Blackgrifon]

“Ours and the commander's tower on their tanks also did not think of putting it, preferring to fight in the blind, and on the T-70, if my memory does not fail me, the mechanic could get sick or fall out, if only the tower was turned, so the Hans used the T-70 without a tower. " - actually, on later modifications of the T-34 (model 42), the commander's cupola was installed.

[Avenger711]

A tank, albeit one like the T-70, unlike an armored personnel carrier, fires.

[Gecko]

Germans are rogues

[avt]

Well, we got to the not-so-pleasant part. Like the previous ones . The installation of command towers is interesting, ours planned before the war, after getting acquainted with the third Panzerervagen, but here to establish something similar at the beginning of the war did not happen.

Quote: 77bor1973

Of particular interest is the use of the T-70 as an armored personnel carrier, ours didn’t think of something like this

Quote: 77bor1973

Of particular interest is the use of the T-70 as an armored personnel carrier, ours didn’t think of something like that!

Armored personnel carrier or as in the article of the tractor? And then do not forget - just the tanks weren’t enough for fat.

[Kazakh]

Question to the liberals if the technique was bad, why did the Ghanaians use it?

[spd2001]

Installation of 75-mm tank gun KwK40 with a barrel length in 43 caliber in the tower of a captured Soviet KV-1 tank. Wehrmacht 22 Panzer Division, 1943 year

this is interesting. I hadn’t seen this before and read about it. Thanks to the author! Photos as always on top.

[Avenger711]

Here is another prem 5 for WoT. X)

[Kars]

What interests me most is the fate of the captured KV-2s, some of which were still used even in 1945.

[Kars]

sorry little data

[Kars]

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[Kars]

And this is one of the most eloquent for me photo descriptions of the Panzerwaffe sample 1945

[svp67]

This and the top two photos from this series

What is shown in the photo: Trophy Soviet tanks T-34 and KV-2 from the 66 German Special Purpose Tank Battalion (PzAbt. ZbV 66)
Where photographed: Neuruppin, Germany
When photographed: July 1942
Description:
The cars are equipped with radio stations, Notek light-masking headlights and identification marks are applied.

The commander’s turret is installed on the KV-2

[postman]

Quote: Kars

al little data

Why so few?
Even models are on sale (and you don’t have?) PZ Kpfm KV-2 754
Trumpeter- Trumpeter
Kit number 00312
Kt No.00367


http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/books/tankograd/tgkv2.htm

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/books/groundpower/gp075.htm


I sent the document German tank reductions to the mail, to rummage ...

[Kars]

Quote: Postman

Why so few?

Not much, especially in Russian, even in the article

Fighting vehicles of this type were used by the Germans in the amount of several copies, however, judging by the photo, at least one of them was equipped with a German commander’s turret

Thank you, I haven’t seen such books, just how to download it?

Quote: Postman

rumpeter- Trumpeter
Kit number 00312
Kt No.00367

I saw the models, in my process, the usual KV-2, I just want to make it look like I lived in the Red Army until 1944

[postman]

Quote: Kars

Thank you, I haven’t seen such books, just how to download it?

Write here: [email protected]
Will send, probably.
Because on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/KV-2-Soviet-Heavy-Breakthrough-Tank/dp/B004JKL2UE
expensive $ 100
Free, but boring and long:
http://bookre.org/reader?file=799076

http://www.kodges.ru/army/voenteh/58983-tankograd-soviet-special-no.-2001-kv-2-s
oviet.html
Sorry buddy. In German or English ...

[Kars]

Quote: Postman

Sorry buddy. German or English

Not to get used to it, I’ll see the pictures from the fifth to the tenth that I understand. Now there are a lot of interesting magazines in Polish, they are actively engaged in military topics, both modern and old. This is not without reason.
Yes, and before all shook.

[postman]

Quote: Kars

Now in Polish there are a lot of interesting magazines

Wydawnictwo militaria # 34
Wydawnictwo militaria # 163
Wydawnictwo militaria # 168
All about KV-2, IN POLISH

KOCHAI:
http://mirknig.com/jurnaly/voennye_jurnaly/1181283826-wydawnictwo-militaria-168-
kw-vol-ii.html

http://www.militaria.net.pl/strony/main.html

[spd2001]

Curious German soldier in clown pose
Soviet heavy tank KV-2 captured by the Germans

[Kars]

Pose as a pose, photographer joker.
But the fact that the KV-2 photo is more German than Soviet is really insulting.

[Kars]

And as I understand it, Kummersdorff or Berlin in general

[svp67]

Quote: Kars

And as I understand it, Kummersdorff or Berlin in general

Kv-2, IS-2 and some other art. Self-propelled guns ... it looks like an exposition ... like ours in Gorky Park ...

[Yemelya]

Quote: svp67

Kv-2, IS-2 and some other artillery self-propelled guns

IS-2, among other things, in the post-war modification.

[postman]

Quote: Kars

But the fact that the KV-2 photo is more German than Soviet is really insulting.

watch an interesting film about how the Germans were taught to fight with our tanks (including KV-2)
и
Sdkfz 303 KV2 vs. Goliath (KV-2)


WW2 Photo archive No 7 German Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe & Waffen SS


You will find many photos here:
http://photo.qip.ru/users/nickanorus/4158887/?page=8

[bezumnyiPIT]

Ours did not photograph them; ours fought on them

[Blackgrifon]

Wow! :) and I thought the Germans burned them all in the early years ... It is a pity that the Nazis got such a powerful weapon.

[tomaz99]

KV-2 is a transitional model to self-propelled guns. with poor performance. sorry for the people, not the car.

[Alex]

This is not a transitional model. At that time, in the Red Army they didn’t bother with the self-propelled guns at all, because at the beginning, and even later, there weren’t a lot of them (unlike the Wehrmacht). KV-2 is a completely independent machine with its own range of tasks. Not without flaws (and which tank does not have them?), But it is quite functional.

[creak]

Compared to armored vehicles, the Germans much more widely used Soviet 76-mm anti-tank guns, for which the release of shells that were not suitable for other German artillery systems was even arranged.
The article is written competently, the author is definitely a plus.

[Kars]

Quote: ranger

Soviet 76 mm anti-tank guns,

Only now we didn’t have a 76 mm anti-tank gun, but there were divisional ones with all those wiping out.

[Bigriver]

Quote: ranger

... Soviet 76-mm anti-tank guns, for which the release of shells was even arranged, not suitable for other German artillery systems.

... and to no Soviet either. The shot was unique, suitable only for the German-upgraded F-22.

[Avenger711]

By the winter of the 42nd F-22 are already over. I will not say about the mass use of other types of tools, most likely, from time to time.

[Bigriver]

Quote: Avenger711

By the winter of the 42nd F-22 are already over.

The Germans? They only in the winter of the 41st began to modernize it.
Over 43 - 44 years, about 3 million shells were fired at them.

[Standard Oil]

It would be interesting to read about the use by the Red Army of captured German armored vehicles, otherwise this topic is for some reason always ignored, and I do not know books on this topic.

[Kars]

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[Standard Oil]

Thanks, read.

[Blackgrifon]

The Croas Army actively used captured Pz. III - even set up the production of ammunition and tried to modernize. Not ignored and "Panthers". I have not heard about "Tigers" - it is interesting to read it yourself.

[Blackgrifon]

I beg your pardon "In the Red Army")

[spd2001]

I think it’s worth supplementing the article with this:

[spd2001]

here's another.

[Kars]

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[Civil]

Quote: Kars

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IP ?? !! Fake seems to me ....

[Kars]

Well, I don’t know, remotely similar.

[spd2001]

Soviet heavy tank IS-2 captured by the Germans. The tower has an inscription in German: "Designed for OKW" (OKW, Wehrmacht High Command).

[Genady1976]

oh I scratched the same thing

[Alex]

With tongue removed. When did you manage? A time machine, not otherwise ...

[Genady1976]

Soviet heavy tank IS-2 captured by the Germans. The tower has an inscription in German: "Designed for OKW" (OKW, Wehrmacht High Command).
not fake

[spd2001]

T 34-85 1945

[Kars]

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[spd2001]

Finns are true here, but for completeness

[spd2001]

On the barrel a flame arrester (?) [Center]

[Akim]

Quote: spd2001

On the barrel a flame arrester (?)

This is called a muzzle brake. Where is such a photograph from?

[spd2001]

Therefore, I asked the question in brackets, since I have not seen a description of this construction anywhere. Photo of the tank found on the Internet, a museum in the Netherlands. Try to type in Yandex.

[cobalt]

In the book of the author of this article, Mikhail Baryatinsky, "Soviet tanks in battle from T-26 to IS-2", an interesting case is described: In the spring of 1945, the 5th Guards. a tank brigade that fought in the Czech Republic captured T-34-85 from the Germans during the fighting. At that time, the brigade's materiel consisted of a T-70, a T-34 with a 76 mm cannon and a battalion of captured Hungarian tanks. The captured T-34-85 became the first such tank in the brigade. In 1944, the Finns were able to capture 9 T-34-85s, 6 of which were in service with Finland until 1960, so in a war, nothing happens. Thanks again to Mikhail for his most interesting articles, and ours also fought a lot on German tanks.

[cobalt]

A fairly well-known photo, our T-50 captured by the Finns is now on display in a museum in Finland

[Thunderbolt]

The Finns also had T-34s (one for sure))

[Genady1976]

And they called them weaving

[Evrepid]

I liked the article. So many interesting photos.
Some are very rare.
And thanks to the commentators for adding your piece of material.

[ed65b]

Ours also used German tanks. all right sin not to use if there is. The review is interesting.

[DmitriRazumov]

The Germans got the largest trophies during Operation Barbarossa. Suffice it to say that by August 22, 1941 they had shot down and captured 14 Soviet tanks.

On 1 June 1941, there were more than 25 000 tanks in the Red Army. A valid 18 844 unit. In June, 1941 was also produced 305 tanks.
Types of tanks and their number, in brackets - serviceable:
- T-35 (76 mm gun, 2 guns 45 mm, 5 machine guns 7,62 mm) - 59 pcs. (42 pcs.)
- KV -1 (76 mm gun, 4 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 412 pcs. (410 pcs.)
- HF-2 (152 mm howitzer, 4 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 135 pcs. (134 pcs.)
- T-28 (76 mm gun, 4 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 442 pcs. (292 pcs.)
- T-34 (76 mm gun, 2 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 1030 pcs. (1029 pcs.)
- BT-7М (45 mm gun, 1 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 704 pcs. (688 pcs.)
- BT-7 (45 mm gun, 1 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 4563 pcs. (3791 pcs.)
- BT-5 (45 mm gun, 1 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 1688 pcs. (1261 pcs.)
- BT-2 (37mm gun, 1 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 594 pcs. (492 pcs.)
- T-26 (45 mm gun, 2 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 9998 pcs. (8423 pcs.)
- T-40 (2 mm machine gun 12,7 mm and 7,62 mm) - 160 pcs. (159 pcs.)
- T-38 (1 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 1129 pcs. (733 pcs.)
- T-37 (1 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 2331 pcs. (1483 pcs.)
- T-27 (1 machine gun 7,62 mm) - 2376 pcs. (1060 pcs.)
- Su-5 (1 gun 76 mm) - 28 pcs. (16 pcs.)

Total: 25 621 tank, which is registered, of which 19 997 are serviceable (combat-ready) over 78%.

It follows that the Germans shot down and captured 70% of all available Soviet tanks in 1 month.

Back in 1960, Lieutenant Colonel M.P. Dorofeev, in a brochure published at the Military Academy of Armored Forces, reports the exact number of personnel, tanks, armored vehicles, artillery pieces and mortars, cars, tractors and motorcycles of mechanized corps of the western border districts (no more than 11 000). Therefore, the figures given in the article cause fair doubt. Most likely they are taken from German memoir sources. Recently, our authors have loved to use.

[Blackgrifon]

From the table you presented, the KV-1 and KV-2, T-28, T-34, BT-7 and BT-7M — the most combat-ready vehicles at that time — were of the greatest importance for the Red Army (and, accordingly, the most painful blow). On the other hand, I don’t see the T-50 - the tank was new, it seemed to have gone to the western border.

"Therefore, the figures given in the article raise fair doubts. Most likely they are taken from German memoir sources, which our authors have recently loved to use." - if the Germans captured SO MANY tanks, why couldn't they put them into operation?

[DmitriRazumov]

The Germans really did not disdain the use of captured armored vehicles and not only armored vehicles. There were whole tank battalions of the Wehrmacht. fought on the T-34. The Germans called the 34-ka Maus (mouse), because the open round hatches resembled mouse ears. Usually huge, not proportional crosses were applied to such equipment so that German trophy and Soviet cars would not confuse theirs in silhouette. Panzerwaffe units also existed, armed with French and other tanks. However, these unimaginable figures given in the article are hardly similar to the truth.

[Alex]

Where can I read about the use of the Wehrmacht French trophy tanks? Nowhere in memories and even in specials. literature I did not find information about them.

[mkpda]

It is necessary not only to read, but also to think. There were 18 844 tanks in service only on paper. And about the combat readiness of serviceable machines can only speak people who do not own the topic.
For the transfer of equipment in 3 and 4 groups (and for cancellation - 5 group) a special district commission was required. Consequently, the reports corresponded to the operational work of these structures, and not to the real state of the park. Only units that have undergone combat coordination can be combat ready. Consequently, those tank units where such events were held, were combat-ready, and the equipment was really serviceable and staffed.
If you "go through" the state of affairs in mechanized corps by June 1941, they looked more like storage bases and training units than ready for war ...

[Alex]

Only units can be combat ready

it is not about the combat effectiveness of units, but capable of fighting technology. And while in the units the tanks 2,3 and 4 groups (categories) were waiting for spare parts, the Germans had nowhere to wait for them and carry out repairs using the cannibalism method, perhaps the only way out (at least in the first stage of the war).

[Dima190579]

Very interesting article. I always guessed that during the war from the lack of resources they use captured equipment.

[Avenger711]

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/СУ-76И

[Aleks tv]

It was interesting to read, they don’t really like to disclose this topic ...

I also remembered the legend about the T-35 captured in good condition and used at the training grounds in Kummersdorf and Zossen.
Assume that he participated in the defense of Berlin as part of the 4-th company 11 tank regiment. He was knocked down ... by a paratsafaust from the hands of a Red Army man.

The Germans, dissecting the T-35, were knocked out by a Soviet fighter from the Faustpatron. Sad smile.
Whether it’s true or not, I don’t know for sure.

[spd2001]

Captive T-35

[spd2001]

http://grayknight.narod.ru/Episode_3/Episode_3.htm здесь много фото. Про вашу историю не слышал.

[Blackgrifon]

The T-35 was not the best tank - expensive, unreliable, with a terrible layout and other shortcomings of multi-turret tanks. Compared to him, HF is just perfect :)

[Alex]

But at that time he was perfect. The Germans know ...

[malikszh]

here the rise of our tank fought alongside the Germans

[washi]

Another question interests me. Who and on whose orders handed over the working equipment and who incurred responsibility for it

[Bigriver]

Quote: Vasya

Another question interests me. Who and on whose orders handed over the working equipment and who incurred responsibility for it

Imagine the situation.
Panzer Division No. X, mechanized corps No. U was ordered to concentrate a day later north of the village of Pindyurkino, near the road intersection. Let's say 70-90 km.
TD has up to 80% of materiel on the go. But, of this amount, up to 50% of the equipment needs minor and medium repairs.
Moved ... On the way, the equipment starts to fail. Rembaz, "flyers" and personnel are not enough, for some of the ZCh tanks they stopped producing. Evacuation equipment - 15% of the required amount. On the new T-34 and KV-1 gearboxes and friction clutches "fly" due to insufficient preparation of the mechanics. There is absolutely no ZCH to them. The matter is further aggravated by the lack of tankers.
A combat order must be carried out.
What decision should the commander make?

[fero]

The high command of the headquarters of the Western Front was shot almost in full force, including Pavlova D.G. Only Boldin survived, although his guilt was much greater

[Blackgrifon]

In the early days of the war, many b / p and fuel depots were destroyed - and if without a shell a tank can at least crush infantry, then without fuel ...
KV-2 equipped with concrete-piercing shells.

[svp67]

T26 grouped

[svp67]

Even such a modification was not "disdained"

[igordok]

Trophy HF Division

[svp67]

Quote: igordok

Trophy HF Division

They were also "shielded" such were produced before the war and a little after it began ...

[igordok]

Possibly padded 7,5-cm-Pak 97 / 98 (f) auf Fahrgestell T-26 (r)

[Rattenfanger]

A significant part of Soviet tanks was so broken in battle that it was only suitable for scrap

Non-combat losses in the BTV of the Red Army in 41 ranged from 1/3 and above, depending on the unit. Something broke (the equipment, whatever one may say, was damp), before reaching the battlefield, part of the equipment had to be left due to the lack of fuel and lubricants and ammunition. So the author got excited about the "significant part".

[Bigriver]

Quote: Rattenfanger

Non-combat losses in the BTV Red Army in the 41st year ranged from 1/3 and above, depending on the unit ...

There is, possibly on the network, the report of the head of the ABTU NWF Poluboyarov to the head of the GABTU Fedorenko for the end of July (it seems) on the 41st.
Very close 50:50, combat losses to non-combat.

[igordok]

Trophy "Komsomolets".

[svp67]

The best confirmation that for three years the Germans could not collect all the "scrap metal"

[Blackgrifon]

"The best confirmation that for three years the Germans could not collect all the" scrap metal "- judging by the photographs from the wrecked tank, everything that is possible or it seems to me?

[Prohor]

Epic photo, thanks!

[svp67]

But this beauty is now standing in the city of V. Pyshma in the open museum ...

[Kars]

Apt 2 is not authentic. The tower is probably a remake.

[svp67]

Quote: Kars

Apt 2 is not authentic. The tower is probably a remake.

find the differences ...

[svp67]

And then ... so that such an authentic tower at KV was ... and there is

[Kars]

Quote: svp67

find the differences ...

I think you can find differences. But the fact remains that the tower is a remake. And the last KV 2 in one copy is in Moscow.

[Reserve buildbat]

In the museum in V. Pyshma there are only found and restored tanks of the Great Patriotic War. There are no remodelers there. I was there, I saw holes, etc.

[spd2001]

"Until now, only one KV-2 has survived, exhibited at the Central Museum of the Armed Forces in Moscow. Another" copy "of the KV-2 is located near the Air Force Museum of the Northern Fleet in Safonovo, Murmansk region. This is a props for the film, based on the IS-2M. It is very far from the original (see "KV-2 in the Movies") A full-size model of the KV-2011 with a large turret of the 2st issue was made in Moscow in August 1. Some details of the model are genuine (the entire chassis, the hatch of the engine compartment , driver's hatch and some others). The model was installed on the site of the museum of military equipment in the town of Verkhnyaya Pyshma "
Something like this. This is the layout with the first version of the tower. A remake (in the sense of layout, not in the sense of gag), but on a historical basis. We draw conclusions ourselves.

[svp67]

And such a t34-57, where they got it I can’t imagine ....

[DmitriRazumov]

Quote: svp67

And such a t34-57, where they got it I can’t imagine ....

Bought cheaply in the dashing 90-e and exported as scrap metal ...

[svp67]

= DmitriRazumov]
Bought cheaply in the dashing 90-e and exported as scrap metal ...

All of them were released:

For the armament of serial tanks from 1 on August 1941, until the evacuation of KhPZ received 21 pcs. ZIS-4, at the same time 20 guns went STZ. Starting from 1 on October 1941 with the production of “fighter tanks” with the production plan for 100 pcs. by the end of the year, the 112 plant (Krasnoe Sormovo) was supposed to be engaged, but no statistics on this type of product were found in its reports

That is, absolutely nothing and all of them were lost in the winter of 41-42 in the battles near Moscow and their release was not resumed, where did they find such valuable "scrap metal"?

[DmitriRazumov]

Quote: svp67

That is, absolutely nothing and all of them were lost in the winter of 41-42 in the battles near Moscow and their release was not resumed, where did they find such valuable "scrap metal"?

There were (and still are) a lot of black diggers, some specializing in the search and sale of WWII armored vehicles to foreigners. In the early 90s, the law had not yet been passed that all BTs on the territory of the Russian Federation belong to the RF Ministry of Defense, so the export of a 34-ki found somewhere in a swamp disguised as scrap metal is quite possible. For a small bribe, customs officers executed any documents ...

[Reserve buildbat]

And what matters is customs here? The tank is located in Verkhnyaya Pyshma. This is considered a suburb of Yekaterinburg, if that. Apparently, I will soon have to post a photo essay about this museum. Next weekend I think to go there.

[KOMA]

As of November 2013 of the year, one T-34-57 tank was located in the open area of ​​the “Battle Glory of the Urals” museum in the city of Verkhnyaya Pyshma. This model of the tank was restored from the wreckage by a restorer in the suburban town of Pushkino.

[svp67]

I was also struck by this KV - color, it is not "Nashenskaya", I dare to assume Finnish ...

[Doctor Evil]

Before, I often had to visit V. Pyshma for work. It’s a sin to go past the exhibition complex. On the KV-1 plate it is indicated that such camouflage was used on the Leningrad front.

[svp67]

And this "trench cleaner" ... Apparently in the Far East survived from the massacre of 41 ...

[misterwulf]

Thank! Interesting.

[postman]

Once again, I am convinced that the Germans EVERYTHING IS GOING.
I remember Krupp in this regard, the beginning of his empire and a bunch of shit in the yard of Will Hugel, I didn't let him endure it until his death.
And among the beneficent, first of all, he attributed the smell of fresh horse manure. In one of his notes, he writes that when he smells this, "he calms down and creative thoughts are born in him."

[svp67]

Quote: Postman

Once again, I am convinced that the Germans EVERYTHING IS GOING.

And use it to the last

[tomaz99]

why not? tractor, conveyor..but not a front edge !!! marking does not help, silhouette in the dark .. unnecessary losses friendly fire .. since 1942 -not used.

[Blackgrifon]

"Once again I am convinced that EVERYTHING GOES INTO BUSINESS for the Germans." - I read somewhere that in the west Russians are considered the best logistics - each nation has its own pros and cons. Where a Russian shows initiative and ingenuity, another will say: "Impossible!" and will not even try to do something.

[postman]

Quote: Blackgrifon

Where a Russian shows initiative and ingenuity, another will say: "Impossible!" and will not even try to do something.

It was a deal. They brought the mill (s) from Germany, ours were preparing (foundation, workshop, communications). The Germans had a requirement for a gate of height X (not less). Ours: and on the fuy? Stan is lower. Done below.
Brought. With PDM does not pass into the opening.
Ours: disassemble the roof, a bunch of cranes, put up the lift, assemble the roof.
The Germans: it is impossible when lifting in this way: the geometry is broken, the precision of the processing will fall. Moving is possible only on a special hydraulically calibrated platform ...
Ours: oh well.
They did it their way. Roof, cranes,
The Germans tried to rectify the situation for 9 months, until the end they did not solve the problem.

like this. Although ingenuity does not hold.
My trailer driver picked an escort truck for the LR1750 (78 tons).
How he put it in place with the help of Ivanovtsev in Volochek: minds are incomprehensible, and he painted it from a spray can, in December, at -17 ° C.
HZ.
Only on the propeller wheel and found out

[bubble82009]

say our equipment was such a bad piece ... this article says that our equipment was not bad even if the fascists used the T-26 and BT-7. we didn’t use some German copies.

[fero]

Everything is relative. The technique was good no worse than German, no matter what they say. Tanks T-26, BT-5, BT-7, T-34 are fully consistent with the German T-II, T-III, T-IV. But the KV tank, the Germans had no analogues at all. It's about the 41st year, the beginning of the war. In the quantitative ratio of armored vehicles the preponderance was for the USSR, and it was strong.
And of all the armored vehicles that the Germans showed, the Soviets before the war bought only the T-III tank. The government commission led by Commissar Tevosyan went three times (1939-1940) to get acquainted with the advanced achievements of German industry. We bought a bunch of everything, but only one tank ... the rest of ours were not impressed.

[tomaz99]

then find the use of captured T-4s in the rkka. they (tankers) were thrilled. comfort, management was perfect!

[Alex]

We are talking about the T-4 modification F2 and above. Yes: with the pristine comfort for a 5-man crew, an excellent 75-mm LONG-BARRED cannon, Zeiss optics, radio ... And the "fours" of the beginning of the war with their cigarette butts - something I have not heard that they would be used here.

[fero]

Quote: tomaz99

then find the use of captured T-4s in the rkka. they (tankers) were thrilled. comfort, management was perfect!

Comfort is not the most important quality of a combat vehicle, although it certainly affects the combat effectiveness of the crew. By the main combat characteristics, the tanks of the Soviet army were not inferior. Even German tanks had excellent optics (sights), to which the Soviet were inferior very, very.

[Dawn]

It is a pity that the Germans did not transfer the KV-2 to the western front, an interesting confrontation with the Shermans would have come out.

[killganoff]

KV-1 with a 75-mm tank gun KwK40 ... Give new premieres in WOT for the new year !!!

[Mikhail Zubkov]

All our T-26s, BTs and others are dr. worked ONLY on aviation gasoline, which the Germans did not have enough for their aircraft. All our tank guns, including the T-34-76 and KV were weaker than the German even smaller caliber and weight. Machine guns were also weaker than German. The Germans almost had enough of their tanks and artillery before the Battle of Kursk in 1943. Therefore, trophies were used very good. limited, in different standing guard units of all Wehrmacht allies. But the fact is that Guderian in 1941. broke Perekop and entered the Crimea on our 11 KV and several T-34s. The newcomers — several dozens of them were captured at the unloading stations in June 1941 — ours didn’t even manage to remove from the platforms until June 22.06.41, XNUMX. The Germans never had any tank "armada" divisions in Crimea, only their own skillful artillery and aircraft.